October 16, 2024 • 37 mins
What if you could revolutionize your wireless network with cutting-edge technology? Join me, Drew Lentz, the Wireless Nerd, as I unpack the synergy between NetAlly and Hamina tools, which are changing the game in site surveys and data validation. We'll journey through major industry events like Mobile World Congress America, Wispapalooza, and WLPC Prague, where private cellular networks and 5G innovations from giants like Ubiquiti and Cambium are making waves - but it's Tarana that is stealing the spotlight! Plus, hear about the critical themes of indoor cellular and satellite networking from MWCA.
Discover how the latest 5G breakthroughs are reshaping the world, starting with RedCap, the affordable and low throughput 5G standard now powering IoT and asset tracking, unless you're AT7T. Why the love for 4G? You'll hear about Dito Telecommunity's pioneering move in the Philippines with Huawei, launching the world's first 5G RedCap-powered home Wi-Fi service, Dito Home WowFi. Stay informed about Tarana's announcement of their next-gen fixed wireless access technology, the RNv, which promises to bridge digital gaps through efficient and cost-effective solutions - 800 Mbps per end-point for $399?!
We'll also explore the advancements brought by 5G Advanced, featuring enhanced massive MIMO, coordinated multipoint technology, and the role of AI in optimizing network connections. T-Mobile's plans to leverage these innovations highlight the potential for superior user experiences, especially in video consumption. Finally, don't miss the exciting updates in the wireless space, including Cambium Networks' new MLO product and tech talks, and a competitive landscape that keeps us all on our toes. While I won't be at WLPC Prague, I encourage those attending to share their insights, keeping our community thriving with the latest wireless technology enthusiasm.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everybody.
How's it going?
Drew Lenz, the Wireless Nerd,today is October 16th 2024.
It's a wonderful, wonderfulWednesday.
I think it's Wednesday.
I'm pretty sure it's Wednesday.
I think tomorrow's Thursdaythat's okay.
What a fun morning.
You know, the guys from Haminaand NetAlly just did a little
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banter session.
It was really fun to see.
It's been a fun week for thatspecific tool set, for those two
tool sets.
I got to get hands-on with itand try it out using the NetAlly
, using my Cyberscope and goingand doing a site survey using
AirMapper on the Cyberscope tocollect data, walking around and
grabbing data using that toolset and then saving it and
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uploading it to Link Live andthen using Link Live to look at
it and validate what I saw, makesure it looked okay, and then
jumping over into Hamina andfilling out my credentials,
creating a new project andimporting that data directly.
And so now I can use both tools.
And to me I mentioned this lastweek and I did a little special
on it Such a cool place for theindustry to be.
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And I got to compare a coupleof tools together by doing that
because I thought, well, youknow what, if I'm going to do it
with the Cyberscope I might aswell try it with the Nomad and
I've got the Echo Hound.
I've got the C-DOS also, so I'mgoing to be cranking out some
comparative information on withthem.
So it's a busy week this weekand next week.
There's a lot going on andhopefully there's a lot of
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really cool announcements thatare coming out.
We've got Mobile World CongressAmerica, covering all the 4G,
5g, 5ga, 6g stuff and a bigemphasis on private cellular.
I've been reading a lot aboutthat so I'll talk about that
here in a second.
We've got Wispapalooza, whichis so near and dear to my heart.
I love that.
I mean, what a great show andsome really cool announcements
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coming out from Ubiquity thereand coming out from Tarana and
coming out from Cambium.
So some great things that arehappening at Wispapalooza.
And then obviously we've gotWLPC Prague coming up next week.
So We've got WLPC Prague comingup next week.
So there's a lot happening inthe industry right now.
I'm going to be catching up withsome of the people who are
attending these events.
I couldn't make it to any ofthem this go-round, but I think
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next week we're going to becatching up on what was
happening at Wispapalooza.
We'll get a full rundown there.
We'll probably reach out tosomeone who's at Mobile World
Congress and then, obviously,whatever's happening at at WLPC,
there's going to be some really, really cool stuff.
If you're in Europe, if you areanywhere near Prague, make
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every effort to get to WLPC outthere, because not only are the
sessions going to be top-notchand the people are going to be
top-notch, but everybody istalking about the tools that
they're going to bring andthat's really cool.
So you're going to see a lot ofhands-on stuff, a lot of people
playing with some toys andshowing them off, just seeing
what the tools can do andsharing that love with the crowd
.
So a couple of things to goover this week.
Like I mentioned, I don't evenknow where to start there was an
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article that was posted thismorning.
I'm going to go look it up realquick just in case I don't want
to mess it up.
But there was an article thatwas posted this morning and it
was talking about privatecellular at Mobile World
Congress, and obviously we'vetalked a lot about private
cellular on here.
We've talked about neutral hostnetworks on here.
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We've talked a lot about thingslike that, and there was an
article that was posted where itwas saying that that was all
the rage at Mobile WorldCongress this year and it was a
blog and it was posted by the650 group.
Chris Dupuy posted somethingand I flipped through it.
I read it and I was like allright, I love a good blog every
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once in a while and I haven'tseen a lot.
No blogs about Wispapalooza,very few blogs about Mobile
World Congress.
So that just tells me thatthere's still room out there for
people who aren't getting theword out about doing stuff.
So I'd love to read more,especially sitting at home.
I'd love to figure out what'sgoing on, and you can only do
that through sporadic tweets andwhat.
So there's a need for goodcontent producers at these shows
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.
Don't ever think that contentproduction number one is easier
than it's being done.
I think people have fallen intothis idea that all the content
production is being done, somaybe they don't have to do it,
but what you end up with is justa smattering of tweets and
images and companies are tryingto promote themselves, but
nobody actually talking aboutthe event and what the theme of
the event is and what's going on.
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So kudos to Chris Dupuy from650 Group.
He says Mobile World Congress,las Vegas.
Themes indoor cellular,satellite and data center.
Usually, telcom and WirelessRAN are the main topics at
Mobile World Congress Vegas, butthis year's show, what caught
our eye, was indoor cellularsatellite and data center
networking.
And he goes on to talk aboutDAS, small cell, about meeting
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with JMA, about meeting withComscope, with Mosa Labs, druid
Pente and even Wilson.
This was interesting.
I think I brought this up here.
Let me see if I can share myscreen.
Let's see if my screen share isworking and my audio is working
on the screen share.
Very good, it looks like it isdoing what it's supposed to do.
Even Wilson Electronics is nowrebranding as Wilson
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Connectivity.
These are the people that makethose Wilson Electronics, that
make the little in-buildingrepeaters.
Now they're saying WilsonConnectivity makes Wilson Pro,
we boost the Zenwave lines.
But now they're talking aboutthe private 5G market and their
push into the private 5G market.
So something as simple as arebranding there.
But to see Wilson moving inthat direction pretty
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interesting.
I mean, there's a lot happeningin that space to try and get the
signals from the outside to theinside.
And I just gave a presentation.
I was given a Signal Roompresentation and talking about
what it does and how itleverages existing Wi-Fi
infrastructure compared to DAS,compared to BDAs or compared to
stuff like Wilson, and if you'venever used one of these cell
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phone amplifier things.
Basically the way that Iexplain it is if you've got a
bad signal outside and you wanta better signal inside, you're
going to take this antennasystem and amplifier that's
going to take that bad signaland just rebroadcast the bad
signal better inside at thelowest modulation rate possible,
and then people wonder why itdoesn't work.
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So a lot happening in thatspace where there's been people
trying to fix it for years, butwe're finally starting to see
how that's moving away from theexpense of DAS, because DAS is
so expensive, man, it's justlike so utterly expensive that
there's got to be a better wayto do it.
So that seems like that was thetheme, especially now that
there's viable candidates forCBRS and for private cellular in
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the space.
Jma is doing some great stuff,salona is doing some great stuff
and, as you know, a couple ofweeks ago even Meter, an
enterprise networking company,decided to jump in on that space
, not for private cellular yet,but for neutral host.
So I'm looking at this and Iasked online.
I said I wonder what thefeeling is between these
incumbent cell people, privatecellular and cellular network
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people, and now seeing thisperson, this interloper, if you
will, coming from the enterprisespace, going yeah, yeah, we're
going to add that in there too.
I'm'm curious to see how thatplays out, because to me that's
such a big deal.
Man.
And and I wonder if anyone waseven talking about it mobile
world congress I I wonder ifit's even on the radar of
anybody.
That was there going wow,enterprise, this enterprise
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company, is trying to make thishuge splash, just announced that
.
Oh yeah, we, yeah, we can dothat also.
So kudos to the team at Meterfor doing that.
Like I said, I don't know ifanyone was there to talk about
that, but if they were, that'spretty awesome.
So they were talking about.
His article talks about that,and it talks about not
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necessarily about Meter, butabout what's going on in the
space.
I just lost it.
I had it open here somewhere,but what's going on in that
space?
And I think that that'sfascinating.
You know JMA.
Jma is such a cool company.
They do a lot of really neatstuff, but to know that they're
doing more.
You know the satellite stuffand all that.
I'll follow that later, butthis is where my interest is
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right.
Here A newish DAS company tothe scene, rebranded itself as
Wilson Connectivity.
An established DAS player, adrf,was also present at the show.
We left the show confident thatDAS has a stronghold on the
indoor cellular market for now.
He doesn't say for now, but Ithink it's for now, with small
cells taking away at a growingnumber of opportunities for
enterprise-oriented cellularsystems.
Bro Chris, do me a favor.
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Mr Chris Dupuy, dude, go checkout what Meter's doing with CBRS
.
Go take a look at that, becauseI think if you see what they're
doing and you see howenterprise wants to use this, I
think that that might make apretty big difference for you.
I'm just saying I'm no analyst,but I see that the other thing
that's happening that's gettingsome press and AT&T has, you
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know, start talking about DanJones.
I don't know that I've ever metDan Jones, but Dan Jones, I'd
love to meet you because youwrite some great articles, man.
You cover some really goodstuff.
There's no substitute for goodjournalism and I appreciate what
you do.
So AT&T votes for LTE-M to trackballot boxes.
Okay, so this is.
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If you look on here, this isthis phrase that you might see.
It's called REDCap.
Redcap is not Red Hat, it's notRed Box, it's REDCap.
Redcap is reduced capacity.
Now this is a big deal for 5Ggetting into the IoT space,
talking specifically aboutslicing and the way that you can
slice up these channels andslice up the delivery service
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delivery so that you can havelow bandwidth applications or
low bandwidth sensors or usecases and you can use those on
the same network that you havehigh consuming devices.
And so AT&T votes for LTE-M andthis is what got my attention
to track ballot boxes.
So imagine that you're usingsmart labels or smart stickers
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or IoT sensors that areleveraging the existing national
footprint, the national network.
So now you don't have to set upLoRa, you don't have to set up
LoRaWAN, you can use this atnational level for a very
discounted rate.
At&t is talking about usingLTE-M or LTE machine is that
type right there, as well asother 4G technologies and low or
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reduced capacity.
So REDCap 5G IoT devices andthey say there's a quote in here
by Mr Cameron Kersey who saysUS ballot boxes will use the
technology because it offerschain of custody and location
tracking Fascinating stuff.
I can already hear the protestsgoing on about tracking and this
and that and whatever, but I'mnot interested in that.
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I'm not interested in thepolitical component of it.
What I'm interested in is theuse case of the technology and
what they're doing with it.
So asset tracking, low-costasset tracking, coming using
network slicing he's talkingabout using this, these
first-generation smart labels,and you're looking at $30 to $40
.
And in quantity, you can get alower cost.
So that's pretty awesome.
5g's 1 meg data speeds and lowlatency are unnecessary, it says
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.
Moreover, 5g IoT is notavailable yet.
That's okay.
They're looking at LTE-Minstead of using the 5G slicing,
but as that comes about, it'sgoing to be pretty neat, which
takes me to another page.
Our buddies over at RCR WirelessNews.
Mr James Blackman had this tosay about ONCE.
Now, if you don't know who ONCEis, I learned about ONCE when I
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was at CES I believe it was CESand yeah, it was CES and they
had this little booth hiding inthe corner and they were talking
about what they do with IoT.
And if you look at what thissays, the ONCE claims record
year adds 8 million IoT devicesand sales past 30 million
devices connected, outrunningthe 2023 total, with 8 million
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new cellular IoT connections inthe first three quarters.
What ONCE does is they sellthis and maybe someone from ONCE
wants to correct me if Itotally messed this up but
basically you sign up forservice with them for IoT
connected devices.
You say, hey, I have this.
We have a Haiku box as a perfectexample.
I have a box called a Haiku boxsitting on my back porch and
what it does is it has amicrophone and it listens for
birds and it takes those birdsounds and it automatically
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telegraphs them up to a serverso that it turns around and it
tells me what type of bird ismaking that noise in real time
in my backyard.
It's very cool.
Check out haiku boxcom ifthat's of interest to you.
But what's of interest to me isthe connectivity component of
it, because right now it has toconnect to my Wi Fi network and
I want a better way for my haikubox to work.
So I would go to someone likeonce and say, hey, I need a SIM
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card that works across the world, either on LTE-M or on a 5G
slice or whatever it is, andonce supplies that and they do
it very cost effectively.
I don't remember the numbers soI'm not going to make it up,
but what I am going to do is I'mgoing to type it in and see if
it tells me what those dataplans look like for them.
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Iot SIM plans are pricing Onceit's spelled, the number one in
CE.
So if you're listening on thepodcast, it's the number one in
CE $10 for 10 years, lifetimesubscription, global coverage
and unlimited software access,500 meg and 250 SMS included.
That's what I mean byinexpensive 10 bucks for 10
years on a flat fee.
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They do some really neat stuffand it's obviously resonating
with people if they're able tohit the numbers.
So go check out once if youhave any IoT projects coming up.
Haikubox definitely couldleverage something like this.
However, I don't know what thedata load looks like coming off
of there.
So there's that.
That's fascinating, but itcould be a really cool strategy
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for them.
So redcap is making its entrance.
At&t is talking about 5g iotand with redcap, these are ways
to track things.
It's it's, you know, low cost,low throughput, and dido I think
it's called dido and huaweiannounced the wowfi service
powered by 5g RedCap.
So the Philippines operatorlet's see where is it?
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Dido announced this is fromTelcom Paper that I don't have
an account for, so I'm not gonnabe able to read it.
So telcompapercom has anarticle that you have to
register for and it talks aboutDido and Huawei launching WowFi.
Let me see if I can do somequick sleuthing around the
internet and see if I can dosome quick sleuthing around the
internet and see if I can findanother.
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There we go.
Dido launches new Dido HomeWowFi the world's first 5G red
cap Wi-Fi for home.
So not only are they using redcap for IoT devices, but I'm
wondering what this is going tolook like.
So I'm going to read this inreal time.
Let me put it up on the screenhere so you can see what I'm
looking at.
Daito Telecommunity, whoa, thefastest growing telco provider
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in the country, introduces DaitoHome Wi-Fi, the first 5G red
cap technology Wi-Fi in theworld for home usage, powered by
a true 5G network, inpartnership with Huawei, one of
the global leaders in 5G.
Blah blah blah using 5G REDCap.
So I don't know where the lineis with REDCap.
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If 100 megabit is in the REDCapcomponent, then that's
interesting.
Let's look it up.
Redcap 5G limit I wonder whatit?
20 megahertz.
5g REDCap devices have maximumbandwidth of 20 megahertz.
God, I love where AI is todayand downlink of 150 and uplink
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of 50.
So that's crazy.
That's so, so crazy to me,because if you think back in the
internet wars and in the us,you know it's like 150 megabit.
Oh my god, what you can do with150 megabit per second.
It's still I mean, even to thisday, that's still such a trip
to me.
It's such a tremendous amountof capacity when fully utilized,
you can do so much with it.
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So think that that falls underREDCap is kind of interesting.
So back to what they're doingover in the Philippines.
So Evelyn Jimenez, daito ChiefRevenue Officer, claims that
Daito's new home Wi-Fi ischanging the norm and disrupting
the market.
So if you think about it, ifyou're using RedCap a new 5G
standard critical evolutioncalled 5G and R and R Lite, blah
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, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Here's the article.
You can read it for yourself.
If you think about that, that'sleveraging that network to milk
every bit of capacity out of it, not just for IoT, but now for
low speed.
He says 150 megabit per second.
Wow, what a world, what a timethat we live in, that that is
considered reduced capacity.
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I love it and kudos to them formaking that happen.
Hopefully other carriers aroundthe world can do something
similar.
You know where they're tryingto get that amount of capacity
or something you know, at leastsome type of connectivity into
the hands of people that need itthe most.
Now that brings me to anotherpoint and something that I want
to talk about Tarana.
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Oh my God man, this is so cool.
Tarana made an announcementyesterday.
Last night they had a wholepress thing and a whole
presentation deal where they areintroducing their new
subscriber module, subscriberunit, customer unit, remote unit
, whatever you want to call it.
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In the industry they refer tothem specifically as the RN, so
the remote node.
They've got their BN and theirRN.
So the RNV was announcedyesterday and this is their next
generation fixed wirelessaccess.
And it says on the screen nowmore affordable than ever BN and
their RN.
So the RNV was announcedyesterday and this is their next
generation fixed wirelessaccess and it says on the screen
now more affordable than ever.
And this blew me away to thinkabout.
Because what they have is theyhave a new device that is, you
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know, it's about twice, maybethree times, as wide as their
existing device that they have,but it's half the cost.
It doesn't.
You can see the specs down here,let me see.
I'll read off the specs foranyone that's listening and not
watching.
But the specs are nuts.
Five and six gigahertz workswith their existing base nodes.
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You don't have to go and swapequipment on the tower in order
for this to work.
Works on five gig and six gig.
Aggregate throughput usingbonding is 800 megabit per
second and y'all.
I can't even emphasize enoughthat when they put a number out
there, that's a number thatyou're really close to getting.
I got to see Tarana in the fieldwhen they did a Seeing is
Believing event down here inSouth Texas.
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I got invited out and I went togo look at it and it blew me
away.
I did a whole spiel about itbecause it was just incredible.
And now to know that they'reintroducing this at 800 megabit
per second, up to 30K range.
It works.
It's not a non-line of sightproduct, but it's a near line of
sight and line of sight product.
So you've got to be able tomore or less see the tower.
It's got active and passiveinterference cancellation.
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It's targeted for Q125.
It works on both 5 and 6 gig,as I said, but the killer here
is it's $399.
And to me that's so insane.
You're talking about a devicethat does 800 megabit per second
symmetrical I believe and it's$399.
I don't know if you rememberMotorola Canopy or the early
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days of Ubiquiti, but when wewere first deploying those they
were like 400 bucks a unit, man,500 bucks, 600 bucks a unit for
maybe 10 or Canopy Advanced orwhatever Advantage.
It was like 20 megabit persecond.
It was 600 bucks for an enduser.
Then the price eventually camedown and this is where Ubiquiti
really really came into themarketplace.
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Hard and heavy is.
They had a device came in $179.
Then they had one that came inat $99.
Then they had one that came inat $60.
All the competitors werecharging hundreds of dollars.
What Tarana just did is theytook a device they went from and
I had to look it up real quickand this isn't any proprietary
information.
If you just go check ISPSupplies, one of my absolute
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favorite websites, to purchaseany equipment, if you operate a
wireless ISP or an ISP or a FISPor whatever it is, please talk
to my buddies over at ISPSupplies.
They are very cool and they arenice.
So is everybody else in theindustry.
Don't get me wrong, but I hadtheir webpage open.
So go talk to Wave.
Go talk to you know who else isout there.
I mean there's so many greatpeople.
Go talk to Conitronics.
But ISP Supplies these guys areopen on my browser right now
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$21,500 for their base stationand for their individual units,
between $1,100 for the 6GB ifpurchased in a 5-pack I'm sorry,
that's a 5-pack bundle.
So I mean these things are, youknow, these are pricey devices.
If you look at it Down here,like here's a hybrid one for
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1062.
Man, you know, when youpurchase them in pairs,
obviously it saves money.
But now what these guys areintroducing here at $400 in
volume for this is just, it'slike I don't want to say it's
unheard of, but it's.
I mean, it's so much speed andthis has been the biggest thing
and it was great to hear the CEOtalk about it when he was on
stage.
He's like, yeah, we know ourtechnology is great and
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everything's fantastic, but wehear you, our price is a little
high.
So now they have not onlyintroduced the ability to have a
subscriber unit that does 800meg per second, but they've done
it at a much lower cost.
So kudos to the team over atTarana for making that happen.
It has a whole lot of otherreally cool benefits.
And then they started to talkabout.
So one of the things and Idon't think it's on this slide,
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for example, there's my notes.
It's not on this slide, but oneof the really neat things that
he did hang on, give me a secondhere is there's a slide
somewhere in the presentationand it talked about the way that
they aggregate bandwidth andthis was it right here.
So check this out.
So one of the things that makesToronto a little bit different
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is that they can usediscontinuous 40 megahertz
channels, 40 megahertz carriersacross all of the spectrum, so
they don't have to be contiguous.
They can be some from 5 gig,some from 6 gig and then
obviously they make a 365product.
So everyone wants to know whenthat triple band product that
365, 5 and 6 gig are going tocome out so you can aggregate
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those channels together to geteven more.
And one of the things that wasreally neat was to see this I
really like this slide a lotbecause it shows that because
they're not side by side,because they're not contiguous,
if you pull them across theyhave a.
76% of their markets are ableto support a 160 megahertz
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operation because they don'thave to pull it from the same
slice of spectrum, they can pullit from multiple ones and to me
that's so neat.
That's in a rural area and thensuburban.
It goes up to 89%.
In an urban area it's 96% oftheir operators can do 160
megawatt channels, whichtranslates to huge amounts of
throughput.
So that was such a cool part oftheir presentation that you
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don't think about it.
If you compare it to Wi-Fi, like6 gig in Wi-Fi, where it's like
you have to have continuouschannels set up, unless it's
available, you can only use asection of it, right?
Or unless it'sinterference-ridden, then you
can only use a section of it.
But here they show off howhaving it from multiple angles
is important.
That to me is really cool, notjust because of what happens
with MLO and Wi-Fi, but alsowhat's going to happen with new
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architecture that's going toallow multiple access points to
tie into each other.
So I thought that that waspretty neat.
It's just it's neat to seetechnology used in a unique way
that's different from Wi-Fi, andI think that Tarana has a leg
up because they were built from,as he said, from silicone to
software, all the way, from topto bottom.
They were built specifically tohandle fixed wireless, so they
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did some neat things like thatwhich allow them to do other
things.
Now, no mention on what their G.
Their product right now iscalled the G1, no product
information on a G2, but he didsay you can count on us doing
this another year, anotherproduct, and it's going to be a
good one, and I think they'regoing to go straight to G3.
So lots of speculation aboutdoing three, five, three, six,
five, five gig and 6 gig on oneunit and being able to bring all
that in.
I think that that's going to bepretty cool.
Now, along those lines aboutwhat Tarana introduced yesterday
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, what they announced over atWispapalooza, t-mobile is
talking about 5G advancedalready, and that's cool.
They're saying that by the endof the year let me find the link
that I have open by the end ofthe year they're saying that
they're going of the year let mefind the link that I have open.
By the end of the year they'resaying that they're going to be
able to support 5G advanced onsome of their deployments, which
is pretty cool.
But then it got me wonderingwhat the hell is 5G advanced?
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Because I knew some of it but Ididn't know.
I was like I know this muchabout it because I'm playing in
the Wi-Fi space.
It's like, okay, well, whereare we going to go next?
So I had to do some fancy,fancy Googling and Nokia always
has really good graphs, so Iwanted to bring this graphic up
real quick and show you what tosave you a Google.
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But five of the keyenhancements are support for XR,
for AR and VR gaming because oflow power consumption, and edge
compute.
It's also got enhanced coverage, they say.
But the thing that stood out tome was MIMO performance, and the
MIMO performance adds adifferent element into 5G
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Advanced.
It's not available in 5G, so1,024 antenna elements per unit.
So now you can do crazybeamforming.
There's lots of really neatstuff that you can do with 5G
Advanced and I had a little listof them.
Let me see if I can find itEnhanced massive MIMO up to
1,024 antenna elements per basestation for better beamforming,
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better spectral efficiency, 3dbeamforming.
So this is FD MIMO.
Fd MIMO is not just thehorizontal plane let's see if I
can find a graphic.
It's not just the horizontalplane and the vertical plane,
but FD MIMO, specifically forbeamforming, takes not just your
X and your Y, but it throws adifferent axis in there as well.
So you've got a lot of reallyneat stuff that can happen using
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FD MIMO.
So that's another innovationthat's in there.
Coordinated multipoint this iswhat I wanted to talk about.
Let me see if I can find agraphic to throw up Coordinated
multipoint or COMP as it'slisted.
Let's see if I can find thisright here.
Comp there's a number ofdifferent ways, but essentially,
if you think about notnecessarily MLO MLO is
multi-link optimization oraggregation.
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What this looks like is youhave coordination between base
stations and on a network todeliver the most effective
interference-free performance tothe UE or to the handset.
So, using coordinatedmultipoint, it's going to usher
in a whole new level of beingable to supply better data
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latency and better throughput tothe end user device.
And this is something I'm goingto flip right back to the
T-Mobile message.
But T-Mobile is saying that bythe end of the year they're
going to start doing this andthey're going to start deploying
it, and one of the reasons theysay that they can do it is
because all of theirinfrastructure wasn't equipment
that was 4G, equipment that hadbeen upgraded to 5G.
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This is all 5G native or 5Gstandalone equipment that they
can immediately go and push thesoftware push to to start to
take advantage of this stuff.
And you're talking about somepretty significant optimizations
and enhancements over here.
Peak download speeds, forexample, between 5G and 5G
advanced go up to 10 gigabit persecond versus 5 gig per second
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on traditional 5G.
So from 5G is 5 gig, 5ga is 10gig.
Peak upload speeds go from 1gig in 5G to 3 gig in 5G
advanced.
The advanced average userthroughput it improves by about
two to three times, which helpswith optimization of how quickly
you get your data and howquickly that data gets to your
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device to do what you need to do.
It's also got betterflexibility for uplink and
downlink ratios and optimizedlatency for high data rates.
Now, speaking of optimizedlatency, here is another name,
another thing that you mightlook out for to learn as it's
going to come out you're goingto learn more about.
It's called L4S.
So L4S is low latency, low lossand scalable throughput.
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So basically there's a lot thatgoes into L4S, but it's a big
carrier.
Buzzword that they've beentalking about for about the last
three years is how do you thisgoes into the quality of
experience and how do youoptimize a network for L4S?
How do you optimize it for lowlatency, low loss and scalable?
And one of the things that'stalked about is, as video
consumption rises, what they dois they deliver a certain amount
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of data stream to keep yourvideo looking the way that it's
supposed to completely optimizedand scaling it so that the
video always looks good, but ina very optimized way and in a
very low latency way.
So L4S is going to be a bigthing.
You're going to hear a lot morepeople talk about, but that's
one of the big benefits of 5Gadvanced Coordinated multipoint.
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Again to me, just talking aboutwhat Toronto is doing with
non-contiguous channels, and youtalk about MLO and then moving
into split architecture orlarger architecture and Wi-Fi.
This is that advancement that'shappening there.
This is that advancement that'shappening there and obviously a
big push.
Everyone wants to talk about AI, but AI, I think, from a
carrier perspective, isn't justabout what AI does at the edge
or what it does for you, butwhat AI does for the network.
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So for all of these basestations that have to figure out
how to optimize thoseconnections and how to optimize
slicing and how to optimize L4Sso that they can push QoE.
So there's your buzzword soupright there.
Ai is going to have a bigcomponent in that, just like, I
think, in Wi-Fi, when we starttalking about multi-link
architecture not just MLO, butmultiple access points coming
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with Wi-Fi 8, number one there'snot going to be a really easy
way to design that, there's notgoing to be an easy way to
administrate it and there's notgoing to be an easy way to
troubleshoot it without someamount of AI involvement.
So as we see the industryprogress and pushing more and
more AI, I think that that'sgoing to become a bigger
conversation of what we do dayto day, because it's desperately
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going to be needed in order todo our jobs.
That being said, I'm lookingforward to hearing a little bit
about that from WLPC Prague.
See if anyone talks about AIthere If you don't follow Mince
Kim on LinkedIn M-I-N-S-E spaceK-I-M.
Mince is one of the thoughtleaders when it comes to this in
my mind.
I love his opinion, I love hisinsight.
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He works for Cisco.
He's talking a lot about usingAI within Cisco and within
Meraki.
So if you're looking forsomeone who's doing something
different, go look at Mensei.
Go look at the Mobility FieldDay videos where Mensei speaks.
He's doing some really neatthings there that talk about
using AI to optimize thetroubleshooting and optimize the
network performance on thebackend, which is really neat,
so you know.
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Contrastly, if you look at whatJuniper is doing where I want
to see some great innovationit's like come on, hurry up Now.
Again, you got to look at whatMeter's doing In my mind.
You got to look at how they'retaking all this information and
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then they're leveraging AI, notjust on the administration side,
but what are they going to dowith the Wi-Fi side?
And now that they have CBRSunder their stack, now that they
have neutral host or cellular,if you will in their purview,
what is going to happen when youtake AI and you apply it across
the board to there?
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So that's what I think isreally really phenomenal.
There's so many just incrediblethings that are happening in
the space.
Mobile World Congress we'lllearn over the next week.
What else was talked aboutthere, but private cellular in
and of itself, it seems like wasthe big deal.
Wispapalooza oh, let's talkabout this one.
Let me see if I can bring up.
There was an announcement fromUbiquity at Wispapalooza and
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very cool.
They announced let me see if Ican find it.
They announced their MLOproduct for up to 10 gig
connections at Wispapalooza.
Let me see if I can.
Let's see if I can find it herefor some of their new stuff.
So they're always doing someneat things and they've always
had a really good presence atWispapalooza.
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Let me look at it on X realquick.
And I was happy to see that.
You know they teased MLO in 60gig for their air fiber product
last year and then nothing evercame of it.
It was like, all right, youguys talked about this and now
there's nothing being done.
But now it looks like they havean announcement that they made.
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God, I can't believe it's takingme this long to type stuff in.
Let's see here.
Surf along with me.
Well, yeah, there we go.
Let's see.
Less than a month away, uwcMiami is October 23rd.
Oh, I guess that's happeningnext week.
If you're in Miami or in theMiami area, go check out the
Unified World Conference there.
That's going to be pretty cool.
You'll get some goodinformation.
Here we go.
So they have a little video thatthey are running and they talk
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about the wave at 60 gigahertzmulti-point.
They just increased their,their multi-point operation of
one of their devices to be 90degrees and they're saying it's
a 10 gigabit per second speedusing 60 gigahertz, which is is
great.
It's POEN.
I believe there's a POE outcomponent.
They've got two versions of it.
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But one of the things I thoughtwas really neat that they talk
about on here was that they havea five gigahertz backup on this
.
So you've got a 60 gigsubscriber unit, 60 gig base
station with an optional fivegig backup.
So if that 60 gig link goesdown, then you still have a five
gig link.
So if that 60 gig link goesdown, then you still have a five
gig link.
So you can see they talk aboutthat 90 degrees with sfp support
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built into the bottom of it.
Sweet, so don't have to worryabout a two and a half gig or
five or ten gig ethernet.
Now you can run power and theyintroduced some new fiber
products as well, but ubiquitycoming out swinging with that
one and not to be left behind.
Let's see if I can bring it uphere.
Cambium introduced a MLOproduct as well and I don't
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remember it's got a.
Let's see here.
It's got a different partnumber.
I can't remember the partnumber, but let's see if I can
go to Cambium's LinkedIn postand scroll down and there's
Dimitri.
Dimitri will probably bejoining us next week.
By the way, we had a nicelittle reminiscent moment about
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how long it's been sinceWispapalooza first got started,
so it's pretty crazy.
Here's their tech talks.
The future is now.
They talk about their indoorWi-Fi.
They talk about their outdoorWi-Fi.
Maybe it wasn't on here, butthey did announce a new product.
There's a whole new productsheet on there, so maybe we'll
get someone from Cambium to joinus and talk about what they did
.
Maybe Derek will join us orsomeone from over at Cambium
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Todd or Derek or someone.
It would be great to catch up.
Anyway, lots of coolannouncements coming out on the
point-to-multipoint side, but,dude, I mean come on when you've
got Tarana out there doing whatthey're doing.
Let's be real.
You can load up the Ubiquitistuff all day for 0.2.60 gig,
but that next generation fixedwireless stuff is pretty insane.
I only say that because I'veactually seen it work, so let's
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take a look at that.
Anyway, that's it for the week.
There's just a whole heck of alot going on, so lots of news
and information coming fromevery direction.
Had a lot of fun using theNetAlly Cyberscope and taking
that information and putting inHamina.
So glad to see those twocompanies working together.
I'm sad I'm going to misseveryone at Prague next week,
but that's okay.
I'll try and pay attention fromafar.
But please do me a favor If yougo to any of these shows, post
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some content, and I don't meanjust like snap a pic of what's
going on, like talk about it.
Tell me what's happening Forthose people that are at home.
We still get that FOMO andnothing makes that FOMO worse
than reading about it.
So please help me make my FOMOworse.
Post more than a picture.
Give me an article, give me awrite-up, give me a video, give
me a recap, give me a hot take,whatever it takes.
Hi everybody.
How's it going?
Drew Lenz, the Wireless Nerd,today is October 16th 2024.
It's a wonderful, wonderfulWednesday.
I think it's Wednesday.
I'm pretty sure it's Wednesday.
I think tomorrow's Thursdaythat's okay.
What a fun morning.
You know, the guys from Haminaand NetAlly just did a little
(00:21):
banter session.
It was really fun to see.
It's been a fun week for thatspecific tool set, for those two
tool sets.
I got to get hands-on with itand try it out using the NetAlly
, using my Cyberscope and goingand doing a site survey using
AirMapper on the Cyberscope tocollect data, walking around and
grabbing data using that toolset and then saving it and
(00:45):
uploading it to Link Live andthen using Link Live to look at
it and validate what I saw, makesure it looked okay, and then
jumping over into Hamina andfilling out my credentials,
creating a new project andimporting that data directly.
And so now I can use both tools.
And to me I mentioned this lastweek and I did a little special
on it Such a cool place for theindustry to be.
(01:06):
And I got to compare a coupleof tools together by doing that
because I thought, well, youknow what, if I'm going to do it
with the Cyberscope I might aswell try it with the Nomad and
I've got the Echo Hound.
I've got the C-DOS also, so I'mgoing to be cranking out some
comparative information on withthem.
So it's a busy week this weekand next week.
There's a lot going on andhopefully there's a lot of
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really cool announcements thatare coming out.
We've got Mobile World CongressAmerica, covering all the 4G,
5g, 5ga, 6g stuff and a bigemphasis on private cellular.
I've been reading a lot aboutthat so I'll talk about that
here in a second.
We've got Wispapalooza, whichis so near and dear to my heart.
I love that.
I mean, what a great show andsome really cool announcements
(01:50):
coming out from Ubiquity thereand coming out from Tarana and
coming out from Cambium.
So some great things that arehappening at Wispapalooza.
And then obviously we've gotWLPC Prague coming up next week.
So We've got WLPC Prague comingup next week.
So there's a lot happening inthe industry right now.
I'm going to be catching up withsome of the people who are
attending these events.
I couldn't make it to any ofthem this go-round, but I think
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next week we're going to becatching up on what was
happening at Wispapalooza.
We'll get a full rundown there.
We'll probably reach out tosomeone who's at Mobile World
Congress and then, obviously,whatever's happening at at WLPC,
there's going to be some really, really cool stuff.
If you're in Europe, if you areanywhere near Prague, make
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every effort to get to WLPC outthere, because not only are the
sessions going to be top-notchand the people are going to be
top-notch, but everybody istalking about the tools that
they're going to bring andthat's really cool.
So you're going to see a lot ofhands-on stuff, a lot of people
playing with some toys andshowing them off, just seeing
what the tools can do andsharing that love with the crowd
.
So a couple of things to goover this week.
Like I mentioned, I don't evenknow where to start there was an
(02:54):
article that was posted thismorning.
I'm going to go look it up realquick just in case I don't want
to mess it up.
But there was an article thatwas posted this morning and it
was talking about privatecellular at Mobile World
Congress, and obviously we'vetalked a lot about private
cellular on here.
We've talked about neutral hostnetworks on here.
(03:16):
We've talked a lot about thingslike that, and there was an
article that was posted where itwas saying that that was all
the rage at Mobile WorldCongress this year and it was a
blog and it was posted by the650 group.
Chris Dupuy posted somethingand I flipped through it.
I read it and I was like allright, I love a good blog every
(03:37):
once in a while and I haven'tseen a lot.
No blogs about Wispapalooza,very few blogs about Mobile
World Congress.
So that just tells me thatthere's still room out there for
people who aren't getting theword out about doing stuff.
So I'd love to read more,especially sitting at home.
I'd love to figure out what'sgoing on, and you can only do
that through sporadic tweets andwhat.
So there's a need for goodcontent producers at these shows
(04:02):
.
Don't ever think that contentproduction number one is easier
than it's being done.
I think people have fallen intothis idea that all the content
production is being done, somaybe they don't have to do it,
but what you end up with is justa smattering of tweets and
images and companies are tryingto promote themselves, but
nobody actually talking aboutthe event and what the theme of
the event is and what's going on.
(04:23):
So kudos to Chris Dupuy from650 Group.
He says Mobile World Congress,las Vegas.
Themes indoor cellular,satellite and data center.
Usually, telcom and WirelessRAN are the main topics at
Mobile World Congress Vegas, butthis year's show, what caught
our eye, was indoor cellularsatellite and data center
networking.
And he goes on to talk aboutDAS, small cell, about meeting
(04:43):
with JMA, about meeting withComscope, with Mosa Labs, druid
Pente and even Wilson.
This was interesting.
I think I brought this up here.
Let me see if I can share myscreen.
Let's see if my screen share isworking and my audio is working
on the screen share.
Very good, it looks like it isdoing what it's supposed to do.
Even Wilson Electronics is nowrebranding as Wilson
(05:07):
Connectivity.
These are the people that makethose Wilson Electronics, that
make the little in-buildingrepeaters.
Now they're saying WilsonConnectivity makes Wilson Pro,
we boost the Zenwave lines.
But now they're talking aboutthe private 5G market and their
push into the private 5G market.
So something as simple as arebranding there.
But to see Wilson moving inthat direction pretty
(05:28):
interesting.
I mean, there's a lot happeningin that space to try and get the
signals from the outside to theinside.
And I just gave a presentation.
I was given a Signal Roompresentation and talking about
what it does and how itleverages existing Wi-Fi
infrastructure compared to DAS,compared to BDAs or compared to
stuff like Wilson, and if you'venever used one of these cell
(05:49):
phone amplifier things.
Basically the way that Iexplain it is if you've got a
bad signal outside and you wanta better signal inside, you're
going to take this antennasystem and amplifier that's
going to take that bad signaland just rebroadcast the bad
signal better inside at thelowest modulation rate possible,
and then people wonder why itdoesn't work.
(06:09):
So a lot happening in thatspace where there's been people
trying to fix it for years, butwe're finally starting to see
how that's moving away from theexpense of DAS, because DAS is
so expensive, man, it's justlike so utterly expensive that
there's got to be a better wayto do it.
So that seems like that was thetheme, especially now that
there's viable candidates forCBRS and for private cellular in
(06:32):
the space.
Jma is doing some great stuff,salona is doing some great stuff
and, as you know, a couple ofweeks ago even Meter, an
enterprise networking company,decided to jump in on that space
, not for private cellular yet,but for neutral host.
So I'm looking at this and Iasked online.
I said I wonder what thefeeling is between these
incumbent cell people, privatecellular and cellular network
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people, and now seeing thisperson, this interloper, if you
will, coming from the enterprisespace, going yeah, yeah, we're
going to add that in there too.
I'm'm curious to see how thatplays out, because to me that's
such a big deal.
Man.
And and I wonder if anyone waseven talking about it mobile
world congress I I wonder ifit's even on the radar of
anybody.
That was there going wow,enterprise, this enterprise
(07:19):
company, is trying to make thishuge splash, just announced that
.
Oh yeah, we, yeah, we can dothat also.
So kudos to the team at Meterfor doing that.
Like I said, I don't know ifanyone was there to talk about
that, but if they were, that'spretty awesome.
So they were talking about.
His article talks about that,and it talks about not
(07:39):
necessarily about Meter, butabout what's going on in the
space.
I just lost it.
I had it open here somewhere,but what's going on in that
space?
And I think that that'sfascinating.
You know JMA.
Jma is such a cool company.
They do a lot of really neatstuff, but to know that they're
doing more.
You know the satellite stuffand all that.
I'll follow that later, butthis is where my interest is
(08:01):
right.
Here A newish DAS company tothe scene, rebranded itself as
Wilson Connectivity.
An established DAS player, adrf,was also present at the show.
We left the show confident thatDAS has a stronghold on the
indoor cellular market for now.
He doesn't say for now, but Ithink it's for now, with small
cells taking away at a growingnumber of opportunities for
enterprise-oriented cellularsystems.
Bro Chris, do me a favor.
(08:23):
Mr Chris Dupuy, dude, go checkout what Meter's doing with CBRS
.
Go take a look at that, becauseI think if you see what they're
doing and you see howenterprise wants to use this, I
think that that might make apretty big difference for you.
I'm just saying I'm no analyst,but I see that the other thing
that's happening that's gettingsome press and AT&T has, you
(08:44):
know, start talking about DanJones.
I don't know that I've ever metDan Jones, but Dan Jones, I'd
love to meet you because youwrite some great articles, man.
You cover some really goodstuff.
There's no substitute for goodjournalism and I appreciate what
you do.
So AT&T votes for LTE-M to trackballot boxes.
Okay, so this is.
(09:04):
If you look on here, this isthis phrase that you might see.
It's called REDCap.
Redcap is not Red Hat, it's notRed Box, it's REDCap.
Redcap is reduced capacity.
Now this is a big deal for 5Ggetting into the IoT space,
talking specifically aboutslicing and the way that you can
slice up these channels andslice up the delivery service
(09:27):
delivery so that you can havelow bandwidth applications or
low bandwidth sensors or usecases and you can use those on
the same network that you havehigh consuming devices.
And so AT&T votes for LTE-M andthis is what got my attention
to track ballot boxes.
So imagine that you're usingsmart labels or smart stickers
(09:47):
or IoT sensors that areleveraging the existing national
footprint, the national network.
So now you don't have to set upLoRa, you don't have to set up
LoRaWAN, you can use this atnational level for a very
discounted rate.
At&t is talking about usingLTE-M or LTE machine is that
type right there, as well asother 4G technologies and low or
(10:09):
reduced capacity.
So REDCap 5G IoT devices andthey say there's a quote in here
by Mr Cameron Kersey who saysUS ballot boxes will use the
technology because it offerschain of custody and location
tracking Fascinating stuff.
I can already hear the protestsgoing on about tracking and this
and that and whatever, but I'mnot interested in that.
(10:30):
I'm not interested in thepolitical component of it.
What I'm interested in is theuse case of the technology and
what they're doing with it.
So asset tracking, low-costasset tracking, coming using
network slicing he's talkingabout using this, these
first-generation smart labels,and you're looking at $30 to $40
.
And in quantity, you can get alower cost.
So that's pretty awesome.
5g's 1 meg data speeds and lowlatency are unnecessary, it says
(10:54):
.
Moreover, 5g IoT is notavailable yet.
That's okay.
They're looking at LTE-Minstead of using the 5G slicing,
but as that comes about, it'sgoing to be pretty neat, which
takes me to another page.
Our buddies over at RCR WirelessNews.
Mr James Blackman had this tosay about ONCE.
Now, if you don't know who ONCEis, I learned about ONCE when I
(11:15):
was at CES I believe it was CESand yeah, it was CES and they
had this little booth hiding inthe corner and they were talking
about what they do with IoT.
And if you look at what thissays, the ONCE claims record
year adds 8 million IoT devicesand sales past 30 million
devices connected, outrunningthe 2023 total, with 8 million
(11:35):
new cellular IoT connections inthe first three quarters.
What ONCE does is they sellthis and maybe someone from ONCE
wants to correct me if Itotally messed this up but
basically you sign up forservice with them for IoT
connected devices.
You say, hey, I have this.
We have a Haiku box as a perfectexample.
I have a box called a Haiku boxsitting on my back porch and
what it does is it has amicrophone and it listens for
birds and it takes those birdsounds and it automatically
(11:59):
telegraphs them up to a serverso that it turns around and it
tells me what type of bird ismaking that noise in real time
in my backyard.
It's very cool.
Check out haiku boxcom ifthat's of interest to you.
But what's of interest to me isthe connectivity component of
it, because right now it has toconnect to my Wi Fi network and
I want a better way for my haikubox to work.
So I would go to someone likeonce and say, hey, I need a SIM
(12:21):
card that works across the world, either on LTE-M or on a 5G
slice or whatever it is, andonce supplies that and they do
it very cost effectively.
I don't remember the numbers soI'm not going to make it up,
but what I am going to do is I'mgoing to type it in and see if
it tells me what those dataplans look like for them.
(12:42):
Iot SIM plans are pricing Onceit's spelled, the number one in
CE.
So if you're listening on thepodcast, it's the number one in
CE $10 for 10 years, lifetimesubscription, global coverage
and unlimited software access,500 meg and 250 SMS included.
That's what I mean byinexpensive 10 bucks for 10
years on a flat fee.
(13:04):
They do some really neat stuffand it's obviously resonating
with people if they're able tohit the numbers.
So go check out once if youhave any IoT projects coming up.
Haikubox definitely couldleverage something like this.
However, I don't know what thedata load looks like coming off
of there.
So there's that.
That's fascinating, but itcould be a really cool strategy
(13:25):
for them.
So redcap is making its entrance.
At&t is talking about 5g iotand with redcap, these are ways
to track things.
It's it's, you know, low cost,low throughput, and dido I think
it's called dido and huaweiannounced the wowfi service
powered by 5g RedCap.
So the Philippines operatorlet's see where is it?
(13:47):
Dido announced this is fromTelcom Paper that I don't have
an account for, so I'm not gonnabe able to read it.
So telcompapercom has anarticle that you have to
register for and it talks aboutDido and Huawei launching WowFi.
Let me see if I can do somequick sleuthing around the
internet and see if I can dosome quick sleuthing around the
internet and see if I can findanother.
(14:07):
There we go.
Dido launches new Dido HomeWowFi the world's first 5G red
cap Wi-Fi for home.
So not only are they using redcap for IoT devices, but I'm
wondering what this is going tolook like.
So I'm going to read this inreal time.
Let me put it up on the screenhere so you can see what I'm
looking at.
Daito Telecommunity, whoa, thefastest growing telco provider
(14:30):
in the country, introduces DaitoHome Wi-Fi, the first 5G red
cap technology Wi-Fi in theworld for home usage, powered by
a true 5G network, inpartnership with Huawei, one of
the global leaders in 5G.
Blah blah blah using 5G REDCap.
So I don't know where the lineis with REDCap.
(14:53):
If 100 megabit is in the REDCapcomponent, then that's
interesting.
Let's look it up.
Redcap 5G limit I wonder whatit?
20 megahertz.
5g REDCap devices have maximumbandwidth of 20 megahertz.
God, I love where AI is todayand downlink of 150 and uplink
(15:13):
of 50.
So that's crazy.
That's so, so crazy to me,because if you think back in the
internet wars and in the us,you know it's like 150 megabit.
Oh my god, what you can do with150 megabit per second.
It's still I mean, even to thisday, that's still such a trip
to me.
It's such a tremendous amountof capacity when fully utilized,
you can do so much with it.
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So think that that falls underREDCap is kind of interesting.
So back to what they're doingover in the Philippines.
So Evelyn Jimenez, daito ChiefRevenue Officer, claims that
Daito's new home Wi-Fi ischanging the norm and disrupting
the market.
So if you think about it, ifyou're using RedCap a new 5G
standard critical evolutioncalled 5G and R and R Lite, blah
(15:59):
, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Here's the article.
You can read it for yourself.
If you think about that, that'sleveraging that network to milk
every bit of capacity out of it, not just for IoT, but now for
low speed.
He says 150 megabit per second.
Wow, what a world, what a timethat we live in, that that is
considered reduced capacity.
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I love it and kudos to them formaking that happen.
Hopefully other carriers aroundthe world can do something
similar.
You know where they're tryingto get that amount of capacity
or something you know, at leastsome type of connectivity into
the hands of people that need itthe most.
Now that brings me to anotherpoint and something that I want
to talk about Tarana.
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Oh my God man, this is so cool.
Tarana made an announcementyesterday.
Last night they had a wholepress thing and a whole
presentation deal where they areintroducing their new
subscriber module, subscriberunit, customer unit, remote unit
, whatever you want to call it.
(17:00):
In the industry they refer tothem specifically as the RN, so
the remote node.
They've got their BN and theirRN.
So the RNV was announcedyesterday and this is their next
generation fixed wirelessaccess.
And it says on the screen nowmore affordable than ever BN and
their RN.
So the RNV was announcedyesterday and this is their next
generation fixed wirelessaccess and it says on the screen
now more affordable than ever.
And this blew me away to thinkabout.
Because what they have is theyhave a new device that is, you
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know, it's about twice, maybethree times, as wide as their
existing device that they have,but it's half the cost.
It doesn't.
You can see the specs down here,let me see.
I'll read off the specs foranyone that's listening and not
watching.
But the specs are nuts.
Five and six gigahertz workswith their existing base nodes.
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You don't have to go and swapequipment on the tower in order
for this to work.
Works on five gig and six gig.
Aggregate throughput usingbonding is 800 megabit per
second and y'all.
I can't even emphasize enoughthat when they put a number out
there, that's a number thatyou're really close to getting.
I got to see Tarana in the fieldwhen they did a Seeing is
Believing event down here inSouth Texas.
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I got invited out and I went togo look at it and it blew me
away.
I did a whole spiel about itbecause it was just incredible.
And now to know that they'reintroducing this at 800 megabit
per second, up to 30K range.
It works.
It's not a non-line of sightproduct, but it's a near line of
sight and line of sight product.
So you've got to be able tomore or less see the tower.
It's got active and passiveinterference cancellation.
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It's targeted for Q125.
It works on both 5 and 6 gig,as I said, but the killer here
is it's $399.
And to me that's so insane.
You're talking about a devicethat does 800 megabit per second
symmetrical I believe and it's$399.
I don't know if you rememberMotorola Canopy or the early
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days of Ubiquiti, but when wewere first deploying those they
were like 400 bucks a unit, man,500 bucks, 600 bucks a unit for
maybe 10 or Canopy Advanced orwhatever Advantage.
It was like 20 megabit persecond.
It was 600 bucks for an enduser.
Then the price eventually camedown and this is where Ubiquiti
really really came into themarketplace.
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Hard and heavy is.
They had a device came in $179.
Then they had one that came inat $99.
Then they had one that came inat $60.
All the competitors werecharging hundreds of dollars.
What Tarana just did is theytook a device they went from and
I had to look it up real quickand this isn't any proprietary
information.
If you just go check ISPSupplies, one of my absolute
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favorite websites, to purchaseany equipment, if you operate a
wireless ISP or an ISP or a FISPor whatever it is, please talk
to my buddies over at ISPSupplies.
They are very cool and they arenice.
So is everybody else in theindustry.
Don't get me wrong, but I hadtheir webpage open.
So go talk to Wave.
Go talk to you know who else isout there.
I mean there's so many greatpeople.
Go talk to Conitronics.
But ISP Supplies these guys areopen on my browser right now
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$21,500 for their base stationand for their individual units,
between $1,100 for the 6GB ifpurchased in a 5-pack I'm sorry,
that's a 5-pack bundle.
So I mean these things are, youknow, these are pricey devices.
If you look at it Down here,like here's a hybrid one for
(20:16):
1062.
Man, you know, when youpurchase them in pairs,
obviously it saves money.
But now what these guys areintroducing here at $400 in
volume for this is just, it'slike I don't want to say it's
unheard of, but it's.
I mean, it's so much speed andthis has been the biggest thing
and it was great to hear the CEOtalk about it when he was on
stage.
He's like, yeah, we know ourtechnology is great and
(20:36):
everything's fantastic, but wehear you, our price is a little
high.
So now they have not onlyintroduced the ability to have a
subscriber unit that does 800meg per second, but they've done
it at a much lower cost.
So kudos to the team over atTarana for making that happen.
It has a whole lot of otherreally cool benefits.
And then they started to talkabout.
So one of the things and Idon't think it's on this slide,
(20:59):
for example, there's my notes.
It's not on this slide, but oneof the really neat things that
he did hang on, give me a secondhere is there's a slide
somewhere in the presentationand it talked about the way that
they aggregate bandwidth andthis was it right here.
So check this out.
So one of the things that makesToronto a little bit different
(21:22):
is that they can usediscontinuous 40 megahertz
channels, 40 megahertz carriersacross all of the spectrum, so
they don't have to be contiguous.
They can be some from 5 gig,some from 6 gig and then
obviously they make a 365product.
So everyone wants to know whenthat triple band product that
365, 5 and 6 gig are going tocome out so you can aggregate
(21:44):
those channels together to geteven more.
And one of the things that wasreally neat was to see this I
really like this slide a lotbecause it shows that because
they're not side by side,because they're not contiguous,
if you pull them across theyhave a.
76% of their markets are ableto support a 160 megahertz
(22:06):
operation because they don'thave to pull it from the same
slice of spectrum, they can pullit from multiple ones and to me
that's so neat.
That's in a rural area and thensuburban.
It goes up to 89%.
In an urban area it's 96% oftheir operators can do 160
megawatt channels, whichtranslates to huge amounts of
throughput.
So that was such a cool part oftheir presentation that you
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don't think about it.
If you compare it to Wi-Fi, like6 gig in Wi-Fi, where it's like
you have to have continuouschannels set up, unless it's
available, you can only use asection of it, right?
Or unless it'sinterference-ridden, then you
can only use a section of it.
But here they show off howhaving it from multiple angles
is important.
That to me is really cool, notjust because of what happens
with MLO and Wi-Fi, but alsowhat's going to happen with new
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architecture that's going toallow multiple access points to
tie into each other.
So I thought that that waspretty neat.
It's just it's neat to seetechnology used in a unique way
that's different from Wi-Fi, andI think that Tarana has a leg
up because they were built from,as he said, from silicone to
software, all the way, from topto bottom.
They were built specifically tohandle fixed wireless, so they
(23:18):
did some neat things like thatwhich allow them to do other
things.
Now, no mention on what their G.
Their product right now iscalled the G1, no product
information on a G2, but he didsay you can count on us doing
this another year, anotherproduct, and it's going to be a
good one, and I think they'regoing to go straight to G3.
So lots of speculation aboutdoing three, five, three, six,
five, five gig and 6 gig on oneunit and being able to bring all
that in.
I think that that's going to bepretty cool.
Now, along those lines aboutwhat Tarana introduced yesterday
(23:39):
, what they announced over atWispapalooza, t-mobile is
talking about 5G advancedalready, and that's cool.
They're saying that by the endof the year let me find the link
that I have open by the end ofthe year they're saying that
they're going of the year let mefind the link that I have open.
By the end of the year they'resaying that they're going to be
able to support 5G advanced onsome of their deployments, which
is pretty cool.
But then it got me wonderingwhat the hell is 5G advanced?
(24:01):
Because I knew some of it but Ididn't know.
I was like I know this muchabout it because I'm playing in
the Wi-Fi space.
It's like, okay, well, whereare we going to go next?
So I had to do some fancy,fancy Googling and Nokia always
has really good graphs, so Iwanted to bring this graphic up
real quick and show you what tosave you a Google.
(24:22):
But five of the keyenhancements are support for XR,
for AR and VR gaming because oflow power consumption, and edge
compute.
It's also got enhanced coverage, they say.
But the thing that stood out tome was MIMO performance, and the
MIMO performance adds adifferent element into 5G
(24:42):
Advanced.
It's not available in 5G, so1,024 antenna elements per unit.
So now you can do crazybeamforming.
There's lots of really neatstuff that you can do with 5G
Advanced and I had a little listof them.
Let me see if I can find itEnhanced massive MIMO up to
1,024 antenna elements per basestation for better beamforming,
(25:04):
better spectral efficiency, 3dbeamforming.
So this is FD MIMO.
Fd MIMO is not just thehorizontal plane let's see if I
can find a graphic.
It's not just the horizontalplane and the vertical plane,
but FD MIMO, specifically forbeamforming, takes not just your
X and your Y, but it throws adifferent axis in there as well.
So you've got a lot of reallyneat stuff that can happen using
(25:25):
FD MIMO.
So that's another innovationthat's in there.
Coordinated multipoint this iswhat I wanted to talk about.
Let me see if I can find agraphic to throw up Coordinated
multipoint or COMP as it'slisted.
Let's see if I can find thisright here.
Comp there's a number ofdifferent ways, but essentially,
if you think about notnecessarily MLO MLO is
multi-link optimization oraggregation.
(25:47):
What this looks like is youhave coordination between base
stations and on a network todeliver the most effective
interference-free performance tothe UE or to the handset.
So, using coordinatedmultipoint, it's going to usher
in a whole new level of beingable to supply better data
(26:08):
latency and better throughput tothe end user device.
And this is something I'm goingto flip right back to the
T-Mobile message.
But T-Mobile is saying that bythe end of the year they're
going to start doing this andthey're going to start deploying
it, and one of the reasons theysay that they can do it is
because all of theirinfrastructure wasn't equipment
that was 4G, equipment that hadbeen upgraded to 5G.
(26:28):
This is all 5G native or 5Gstandalone equipment that they
can immediately go and push thesoftware push to to start to
take advantage of this stuff.
And you're talking about somepretty significant optimizations
and enhancements over here.
Peak download speeds, forexample, between 5G and 5G
advanced go up to 10 gigabit persecond versus 5 gig per second
(26:50):
on traditional 5G.
So from 5G is 5 gig, 5ga is 10gig.
Peak upload speeds go from 1gig in 5G to 3 gig in 5G
advanced.
The advanced average userthroughput it improves by about
two to three times, which helpswith optimization of how quickly
you get your data and howquickly that data gets to your
(27:11):
device to do what you need to do.
It's also got betterflexibility for uplink and
downlink ratios and optimizedlatency for high data rates.
Now, speaking of optimizedlatency, here is another name,
another thing that you mightlook out for to learn as it's
going to come out you're goingto learn more about.
It's called L4S.
So L4S is low latency, low lossand scalable throughput.
(27:34):
So basically there's a lot thatgoes into L4S, but it's a big
carrier.
Buzzword that they've beentalking about for about the last
three years is how do you thisgoes into the quality of
experience and how do youoptimize a network for L4S?
How do you optimize it for lowlatency, low loss and scalable?
And one of the things that'stalked about is, as video
consumption rises, what they dois they deliver a certain amount
(27:58):
of data stream to keep yourvideo looking the way that it's
supposed to completely optimizedand scaling it so that the
video always looks good, but ina very optimized way and in a
very low latency way.
So L4S is going to be a bigthing.
You're going to hear a lot morepeople talk about, but that's
one of the big benefits of 5Gadvanced Coordinated multipoint.
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Again to me, just talking aboutwhat Toronto is doing with
non-contiguous channels, and youtalk about MLO and then moving
into split architecture orlarger architecture and Wi-Fi.
This is that advancement that'shappening there.
This is that advancement that'shappening there and obviously a
big push.
Everyone wants to talk about AI, but AI, I think, from a
carrier perspective, isn't justabout what AI does at the edge
or what it does for you, butwhat AI does for the network.
(28:39):
So for all of these basestations that have to figure out
how to optimize thoseconnections and how to optimize
slicing and how to optimize L4Sso that they can push QoE.
So there's your buzzword soupright there.
Ai is going to have a bigcomponent in that, just like, I
think, in Wi-Fi, when we starttalking about multi-link
architecture not just MLO, butmultiple access points coming
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with Wi-Fi 8, number one there'snot going to be a really easy
way to design that, there's notgoing to be an easy way to
administrate it and there's notgoing to be an easy way to
troubleshoot it without someamount of AI involvement.
So as we see the industryprogress and pushing more and
more AI, I think that that'sgoing to become a bigger
conversation of what we do dayto day, because it's desperately
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going to be needed in order todo our jobs.
That being said, I'm lookingforward to hearing a little bit
about that from WLPC Prague.
See if anyone talks about AIthere If you don't follow Mince
Kim on LinkedIn M-I-N-S-E spaceK-I-M.
Mince is one of the thoughtleaders when it comes to this in
my mind.
I love his opinion, I love hisinsight.
(29:43):
He works for Cisco.
He's talking a lot about usingAI within Cisco and within
Meraki.
So if you're looking forsomeone who's doing something
different, go look at Mensei.
Go look at the Mobility FieldDay videos where Mensei speaks.
He's doing some really neatthings there that talk about
using AI to optimize thetroubleshooting and optimize the
network performance on thebackend, which is really neat,
so you know.
(30:04):
Contrastly, if you look at whatJuniper is doing where I want
to see some great innovationit's like come on, hurry up Now.
Again, you got to look at whatMeter's doing In my mind.
You got to look at how they'retaking all this information and
(30:27):
then they're leveraging AI, notjust on the administration side,
but what are they going to dowith the Wi-Fi side?
And now that they have CBRSunder their stack, now that they
have neutral host or cellular,if you will in their purview,
what is going to happen when youtake AI and you apply it across
the board to there?
(30:48):
So that's what I think isreally really phenomenal.
There's so many just incrediblethings that are happening in
the space.
Mobile World Congress we'lllearn over the next week.
What else was talked aboutthere, but private cellular in
and of itself, it seems like wasthe big deal.
Wispapalooza oh, let's talkabout this one.
Let me see if I can bring up.
There was an announcement fromUbiquity at Wispapalooza and
(31:10):
very cool.
They announced let me see if Ican find it.
They announced their MLOproduct for up to 10 gig
connections at Wispapalooza.
Let me see if I can.
Let's see if I can find it herefor some of their new stuff.
So they're always doing someneat things and they've always
had a really good presence atWispapalooza.
(31:32):
Let me look at it on X realquick.
And I was happy to see that.
You know they teased MLO in 60gig for their air fiber product
last year and then nothing evercame of it.
It was like, all right, youguys talked about this and now
there's nothing being done.
But now it looks like they havean announcement that they made.
(31:53):
God, I can't believe it's takingme this long to type stuff in.
Let's see here.
Surf along with me.
Well, yeah, there we go.
Let's see.
Less than a month away, uwcMiami is October 23rd.
Oh, I guess that's happeningnext week.
If you're in Miami or in theMiami area, go check out the
Unified World Conference there.
That's going to be pretty cool.
You'll get some goodinformation.
Here we go.
So they have a little video thatthey are running and they talk
(32:15):
about the wave at 60 gigahertzmulti-point.
They just increased their,their multi-point operation of
one of their devices to be 90degrees and they're saying it's
a 10 gigabit per second speedusing 60 gigahertz, which is is
great.
It's POEN.
I believe there's a POE outcomponent.
They've got two versions of it.
(32:36):
But one of the things I thoughtwas really neat that they talk
about on here was that they havea five gigahertz backup on this
.
So you've got a 60 gigsubscriber unit, 60 gig base
station with an optional fivegig backup.
So if that 60 gig link goesdown, then you still have a five
gig link.
So if that 60 gig link goesdown, then you still have a five
gig link.
So you can see they talk aboutthat 90 degrees with sfp support
(32:57):
built into the bottom of it.
Sweet, so don't have to worryabout a two and a half gig or
five or ten gig ethernet.
Now you can run power and theyintroduced some new fiber
products as well, but ubiquitycoming out swinging with that
one and not to be left behind.
Let's see if I can bring it uphere.
Cambium introduced a MLOproduct as well and I don't
(33:19):
remember it's got a.
Let's see here.
It's got a different partnumber.
I can't remember the partnumber, but let's see if I can
go to Cambium's LinkedIn postand scroll down and there's
Dimitri.
Dimitri will probably bejoining us next week.
By the way, we had a nicelittle reminiscent moment about
(33:40):
how long it's been sinceWispapalooza first got started,
so it's pretty crazy.
Here's their tech talks.
The future is now.
They talk about their indoorWi-Fi.
They talk about their outdoorWi-Fi.
Maybe it wasn't on here, butthey did announce a new product.
There's a whole new productsheet on there, so maybe we'll
get someone from Cambium to joinus and talk about what they did
.
Maybe Derek will join us orsomeone from over at Cambium
(34:01):
Todd or Derek or someone.
It would be great to catch up.
Anyway, lots of coolannouncements coming out on the
point-to-multipoint side, but,dude, I mean come on when you've
got Tarana out there doing whatthey're doing.
Let's be real.
You can load up the Ubiquitistuff all day for 0.2.60 gig,
but that next generation fixedwireless stuff is pretty insane.
I only say that because I'veactually seen it work, so let's
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take a look at that.
Anyway, that's it for the week.
There's just a whole heck of alot going on, so lots of news
and information coming fromevery direction.
Had a lot of fun using theNetAlly Cyberscope and taking
that information and putting inHamina.
So glad to see those twocompanies working together.
I'm sad I'm going to misseveryone at Prague next week,
but that's okay.
I'll try and pay attention fromafar.
But please do me a favor If yougo to any of these shows, post
(34:46):
some content, and I don't meanjust like snap a pic of what's
going on, like talk about it.
Tell me what's happening Forthose people that are at home.
We still get that FOMO andnothing makes that FOMO worse
than reading about it.
So please help me make my FOMOworse.
Post more than a picture.
Give me an article, give me awrite-up, give me a video, give
me a recap, give me a hot take,whatever it takes.
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