Stepping into new roles always comes with a mix of excitement and challenges, and I'm thrilled to share my latest adventure as a Senior Solutions Architect with Amazon's Eero. You'll catch a glimpse of my journey into the vibrant world of wireless access points and mesh networks and get a sneak peek at the tech events like AWS re:Invent and CES that I can’t wait to be part of. Let’s not forget a nod to Johnny Cupcakes, a brand that has been a personal favorite, and the inspiring story of Johnny Earle's rise from selling out of his car to building a retail empire.
Ever wondered how Starlink's two-gigabit speed predictions could change rural connectivity? We explore this game-changing development as the FCC grants Starlink a commercial license for its direct-to-cell program, potentially shaking up the wireless ISP industry. Alongside these advancements, I share thoughts on the recent shifts within the FCC, marking the departure of a respected figure, and the ripple effects of these changes. The episode doesn’t shy away from humor, with a look at Daisy, the AI granny with a mission to outwit phone scammers, all while pondering the ethical implications of such innovations.
Technology isn't the only focus here; we also uncover Saudi Aramco’s potential billion-dollar investment in Mavenir and its significance for Open RAN technology. We touch upon the trials and triumphs of Boost Mobile, the strategic moves in the CBRS spectrum, and a possible Dish and DirecTV merger on the horizon. With contributions from industry experts like Matt McPherson, we debate the coexistence of Wi-Fi and 5G, and wrap up with a personal Thanksgiving greeting, celebrating milestones, and an invitation for feedback to keep this journey as exciting and engaging as ever.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Howdy, howdy, howdy.
It's Drew Lentz, Wireless Nerd.
It is Tuesday, november 26, 26de Noviembre.
Aquí estoy en el estudio deChachalaca en McAllen, texas.
Here we are at ChachalacaStudios.
I don't know, I like to call itChachalaca Studios, it's just
my office.
What a week it's been.
And it's so.
It's so cool, it's sorefreshing.
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I've been keeping a secret for alittle while and now I finally
get to share it with everybody.
It's been a heck of a year.
To quote another country musicmagician, he says Parker
McCollum has a song where hesays it's been a hell of a year.
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Well, it has been a hell of ayear, parker, and I am happy to
announce that after thisincredible year that I made a
cool little video I postedonline, I've joined the team
with Amazon with Eero.
So Eero is a company thatmanufactures wireless access
points for people's homes, formesh networks, for people to pop
up quick and easy to use,solutions that are focused on
making sure they deliver a goodquality of experience, and a
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couple, two, three, four yearsago they got acquired by Amazon,
so you might have seen them inthat whole little world of
Amazon things that are out there, and I have come on board as a
senior solutions architect,helping have some fun with Eero,
and I'm very excited it's been.
It's been really cool, man.
It's a good team and I've beenway busier this week than I
thought I was going to be.
Next week I'll be at AWSreInvent.
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If anyone will be out there inVegas, let me know.
I'll be happy to meet up withyou and then I'll be scheduled
for CES, which is dope because Iwas going to go to CES anyway.
Y'all you know the drill.
I love going out to C's a lothappening and it's going to be a
really fun ride.
It's going to be a cool place.
We're doing some really neatstuff and I'm very excited about
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it.
So, yeah, it's back to thegrind, if you will, but I
wouldn't have chosen somethingthat I didn't really want to do,
that I didn't like.
So it's cool.
I got to be picky a little bit,had some really good
opportunities, got to see whatthe market looked like, and I
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think I talked about this lastweek.
I reached out, actually to myrecruiter, to one of the
recruiters that I was workingwith, because I really wanted to
know what it was like to be inthe recruiter's shoes,
especially in this day and agewith everything that's going on
with tech.
So, that being said, keep upthe good fight.
If you have any questions oryou need any help with
recruiters or talking to peopleor any of that, let me know and
I'll be happy to connect you towhoever.
There's always people therehiring and there's a lot of
really good opportunities thatare out there in the wireless
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space.
So if you're looking for a newgig, if you want to change a
little bit, then you know, reachout and I'll help connect you
to changes.
I am.
I'm rocking a sweatshirt that Italked about on linkedin today.
This, uh, one of these sideshere.
This is a brand I love manjohnny cupcakes.
Johnny earl has announced thathe'll be closing his store
johnny cupcakes that's onnewberry street in boston and
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it's it's been a.
It's just.
You know that it's a brandthat's been around for a really
long time and to watch him growin his brand and do the things
that he's done.
He started off working in acomic store and playing in a
hardcore band and then sellingmerch out of the trunk of his
car and then turning that into abrand and then opening stores
across the world.
I got the opportunity to be athis grand opening on Melrose in
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LA a bunch of years back and itwas what an incredible
experience.
And he's gone.
He's a speaker.
He's a keynote speaker,inspirational type speaker.
So if you're looking forsomeone to come get a crowd all
creatively thinking about whatthey're doing, johnny's a good
guy for that.
He's kicking off hisexperiential industry or his
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marketing industry, I guess orhis marketing agency in the
marketing industry.
So if you need someone toreally build an incredible brand
, johnny Earl E-A-R-L-E.
You can find him online.
He's in Boston and JohnnyCupcakes is not dead.
He's just moved mail order,which is awesome.
But his little logo says domore of what makes you happy,
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and I've always followed that.
So it's a fun dude.
Sad to see the stores go away,but that's okay.
We'll still order some stuffand I'll be rocking the cupcake
and crossbones for as long as Ican.
So that's what's going on there.
Tomorrow, let's see.
Tomorrow's another workday, Iguess.
And then Turkey Day is thisweek.
If you're in the States.
If you're not in the States,feel free to eat turkey anyway,
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and let's see.
Let's jump into some stuffthat's going on.
First, I mentioned some of theshows that are going on right
now.
We've got WLPC coming up inPhoenix.
The voting might have closed.
I think the voting still mightbe open for the sessions for
WLPC.
If you're in the wirelessindustry, if you're listening to
this podcast, I really hope tosee you at WLPC.
If I haven't met you yet,please come up and say hi to me.
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I'm going to try and do abroadcast from there this year.
It's going to be fun.
It's going to be a really funyear.
The content that was at thePrague show was so good just so
incredibly good.
So coming into Phoenix, it'sprobably going to be just
exceptional and I'm reallylooking forward to seeing
everybody out there.
That's coming up in February.
Ces in January it's my favoritething to go to.
Always has been.
I really enjoy CES, seeingwhat's happening in the consumer
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electronics industry.
Next week is AWS reInvent.
I went to it last year.
It was my first year.
I went with my buddy Bender andhe got to show me the world of
AWS, which is pretty interesting.
I mean they do a lot of cloudstuff like a significant amount,
so that's a fun show.
I think that's all.
I don't know what WICO's got onthe calendar right now, but
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they're doing some fun events.
They just had another one wrapup.
So just a lot happening as theyear comes to an end.
But there's also some changesthat are coming, man, you know.
So, if you don't know thisabout me, I'm not really a
sports person.
I follow the Astros because I'min Texas and I try and follow
the Cowboys.
But person, I follow the Astrosbecause I'm in Texas and I try
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and follow the Cowboys.
But I mean, really, is anyCowboys fan really a Cowboys fan
at this point?
I don't know, spurs go, Spursgo.
But you know, other than sports, I love politics and I love
following politics, and so Idon't talk about it on here
because it's just not the rightplace, man, you know.
But when things bleed over likethey're doing right now, I'll
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try and give a very differentperspective, not political, but
the stuff that's happening withUSF and with USAC and with
E-rate is tough, man, and it'stough to watch.
And now, some of the broadbandthings that are happening with
the broadband equity grants.
There's some things that arehappening.
So let's jump into what's goingon right now.
First and foremost, a tweetcame out about three hours ago.
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It looks like and here's thetweet, let's see.
Is my screen showing?
Okay there?
Yeah, if you're okay.
So if you're watching this onthe internets, then you can see
the screen.
Let me make that a little bitbigger for you.
There you go, you can seewhat's happening on the screen.
If not, I'm going to go aheadand read it.
And what it says is the fccjust granted starlink us
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commercial license for ourdirect to sell programs.
Check that out, man.
Direct to sell on starlink.
The fcc approved it.
There's a lot that's happeningwith that space, with sad, with
the satellite communicationspace, and I wasn't expecting to
talk about this.
I didn't even know that thiswas going to happen as quickly
as it did.
But direct-to-sell I mean thisis fascinating to know that
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Starlink has a direct-to-sellapproval, because does this mean
they're another carrier?
I know that they've partneredwith T-Mobile and I know that
they've got the direct-to-sellprogram that they've done with
T-Mobile for Handoff.
But does this mean that we'regoing to see SpaceX and Starlink
come into the carrier space?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean it's been approved andthe document over here from the
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FCC.
Let's load it up real quick andsee what this thing looks like
on our handy-d pdf reader.
In the matter of spaceexploration towing request for
deployment operation authorityfor spacex gen 2 satellite
system, modifying it to add adirect to cell system.
I mean I haven't read it, I'mnot going to read it right now,
but wow, that's.
Is that a sign of the times?
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Does that mean that we've gotto look forward to do another
type of carrier that's out there?
I mean I remember the iridiumand I remember those worked
pretty well, but these arerunning on the devices that are
in our pockets today.
I mean kind of fascinating tothink about where that's going
to go.
The thing that I wanted to talkabout before that, even before
they announced a direct-to-selldeal, was this SpaceX has two
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gig speeds for Starlink withcapacity upgrades.
Gwen Shotwell said thecompany's improvements to
satellite communications areadvancing at a rate similar to
Moore's law for computer chips.
This article filed by MichaelKan in PCMag November 18th,
saying Starlink is going tocreep up on those 2 gigabit per
second speeds.
This you know this all I comefrom the WIS space right and
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doing stuff in rural America andtrying to figure out how to get
people connectivity who don'thave access to traditional
connectivity, and this is justlike this is nuts man.
I mean, is this reallyhappening?
Spacex and satellite commsadvancing and moving so fast?
The cycle of increased capacityis based on the same cycle as
chipsets, which is likely todouble the capacity every two
years.
Wow, I mean, here it goes andthere's the video.
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So currently a single $349Starlink dish can receive
download speeds between 100 and200 megabit per second depending
on the area.
I have Starlink, I'm a Starlinksubscriber for my backup
service here at my home and youknow I've seen the speeds.
But man in the gigs, wow, whatsignal is that to the rest of
the wireless isp industry?
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You know toronto makes aproduct that does some pretty
incredible stuff up, you know,multiple hundreds of gigabit or
multiple hundreds of megabitsand into gigabit speeds.
But you know, with theadvancement of mlo and things
that are being deployed now foroutdoor wi-fi, I guess those
speeds are are about par for thecourse, which is kind, kind of
crazy.
So, wow, gig satellite.
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I mean, who would have thunk itAlong those lines?
Stuff that's happening withinthe FCC.
You know there was theannouncement of Starlink being
able to go direct to sell.
But there is one thing that hasmade me a little sad, just
because this is someone who Ihave followed for quite a while
and has always.
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I just I always felt like thisperson was super friendly and I
got to know some of the peoplein her office, and I don't.
I may have traded an email ortwo with her, but never got
really the chance to sit downand have a conversation with her
, but always did some reallyneat stuff.
Chairman Rosenworcel.
Jessica Rosenworcel hasannounced her departure
departure from the FCC.
This isn't new.
Whenever there's a changing ofthe guards when it comes to the
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president, usually if they're ofthe opposing party, they'll go
ahead and step down, and so shesaid that she intends to depart
the FCC on January 20th 2025.
She issued the followingstatement, saying serving at the
FCC has been an honor of alifetime and especially her
tenure as chair is the firstwoman in history to be confirmed
to lead the agency.
President Biden for entrustingme with the responsibility to
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guide the FCC during a time whencommunications technology is
part of every aspect of civicand commercial life.
I agree, she's been there for awhile doing some really neat
stuff, and she talked about howthis is.
You know how, how car brandoncarr has been, I guess, tagged
for taking over as the fccchairman under trump and said
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hey, you know he nobody knowsthese people better than he does
.
So there's, you know,regardless of of party
affiliation and whatnot, there'sthere is a change happening at
the fcc.
Is it going to be beneficial toconsumers and businesses, one
side more than the other?
I don't know.
I mean, we'll find out.
The fcc has has a changehappening at the FCC.
Is it going to be beneficial toconsumers and businesses, one
side more than the other?
I don't know.
I mean, we'll find out.
The FCC has always done apretty good job of trying to
keep things down the middle andwith a twist right on either
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side.
But just to know that, we hadher for a minute.
So, chairman Rosenworcel, weappreciate everything that you
did.
It was fantastic to have thefirst chairwoman of the FCC.
So kudos to you on all the hardwork that you did and we're
looking forward to seeing what'shappening Coming next with the
FCC.
And let's see what did she say?
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There's a quote.
Ars ran an article and she saidwhere was it?
She said setting up the largestbroadband affordability program
in history, connecting morethan 23 million households.
She said yep, she had atwo-to-two deadlock.
Oh, here we go.
She's familiar with the staff,saying the FCC is fortunate to
have extraordinary expertisethanks to hardworking public
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servants who labor faithfully toimplement the law and help
build a digital future.
From his time here, I amconfident that Commissioner Carr
is familiar with the staff, theresponsibilities of the new
role and the importance of thecontinued US leadership in
communication.
So very cool to pass the torchon to the next one.
But can he sing karaoke like aJit Pai did at the Wi-Fi?
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Now, excuse me, world Congressin Sarasota.
All net neutrality stuff aside,that dude was fun to hang out
with.
I got to say that it was a goodtime.
Let's see what else ishappening.
This was kind of cool.
I guess there's things that Ineed to be careful what I talk
about because of who my employeris.
Now I guess I can't.
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I'm not an officialspokesperson for the
organization, so I'm just goingto read this headline here from
Ars Technica that says Amazonpours another $4 billion into
Anthropic, openai's biggestrival.
Amazon has now committed $8billion to AI startups that make
the key chat GPT competitor.
What I will say isn'tnecessarily about that news,
although that's really cool forAnthropic.
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It was that when the electionswere going on.
I built a website calledpolitikeracom and at
politikeracom what we did is wepulled publicly available data
from voting locations throughoutor from the general election
headquarters in the countiesthat we live in, and we plotted
it all on a map and I think Italked about it a little bit on
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here.
What was really neat about itwas we didn't write any code and
I didn't know what Claude was.
I mean, a friend of mine, adeveloper friend of mine, was
like dude, we totally have touse Claude.
And so I used Claude.
We used Claude to write thewhole thing.
Claude did all the programming.
For us is the model fromAnthropic.
It's the tool from Anthropicthat is used.
It's their AI tool.
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So we interfaced with Claudeand that's how we wrote all the
codes.
That was kind of cool to seethat come full circle.
It was pretty neat.
It looks like we both got alittle.
How do you do?
Tip of the hat from Amazon.
So that's kind of neat.
Need to see another organizationgetting some new stuff.
It says under the agreement,anthropic will train and deploy
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its foundation models usingAmazon's custom-built Trainium
for training AI models and itsInferentia chips.
Is that how you say it?
Inferentia For AI inference,the term for running trained
models.
I hope to see some of this atAWS reInvent.
It'll be neat to see some ofthat stuff going around.
I have no idea what to expectfrom AWS reInvent.
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There's a couple meetings I'mgoing to, so I'm excited about
that, but I can't wait to seewhat the buzz is, especially
regarding AI.
The company worked withAmazon's Annapurna Labs division
to advance processordevelopment for AI applications.
Reportedly, anthropic has alsobeen assisting Amazon with
developing a new version of itsAlexa AI Assistant.
That's pretty cool.
I haven't met anybody on thoseteams yet.
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Looking forward to meetingpeople on those teams.
That's going to be pretty neatto see how all that comes
together.
So I'm excited for that.
I think that that's pretty neat.
There's a lot of stuffhappening in that space.
Obviously, you know that aswell as I do.
Let's see.
I don't know what this is.
Let's see.
Ai grandma yeah, here we go.
Perplexity, another tool,another AI tool.
Check this one out.
Perplexity says the AI grandmaties up scanners.
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Daisy, an AI-powered grannydeveloped by O2 in collaboration
with scam baiter Jim Browning,is designed to combat phone
scammers by engaging them inprolonged conversations, thereby
preventing them from targetingreal victims and gathering
valuable data on fraudulenttactics.
I just thought this was I guessyou can use it with perplexity,
I'm not sure the featuresenable Daisy to engage scammers
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effectively, maintainingbelievable conversations that
can last up to 40 minutes.
You know, I laugh at this, right, because I think that this is
that's kind of funny that itwould do this.
But there was an article thatwas done.
That was a podcast I listenedto and it talked about the
people that are in these callfarms, these spam calling farms,
and what they go through, andyou know, they found something
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that escaped and and got awayand talked about how horrendous
it was actually working forthese places that are these,
these spam calling farms.
So so, yeah, this is this isgood and it's funny, man, but
the human impact of this on thepeople that are going to get
baited into talking to ai, Idon't even want to think about
that, but either way, that is aninteresting use case for AI,
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daisy, the AI-powered granny,yeah, anyway, I don't know what
that has to do with wireless,but I thought that that was
pretty funny.
Sorry, I thought I'd talk aboutthat one.
Let's see what else do we have.
Oh man, okay, that one, let'ssee what else do we have.
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Oh, man, okay, this one's kindof weird and and oh, come on,
really, man, so I'm not, I don'tsubscribe to telecom papercom,
and I guess I should, becausethen I can show off what this
article is, but I don't.
Well, okay, you guys want tostare at the screen with me?
Let me turn that screen off,anyway.
This, anyway, this was aninteresting article to read.
Let me see if there's somewhereelse that I can find it.
Aramco, saudi Aramco is in talksof a billion-dollar investment
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in Maveneer.
And that is here we go.
I found it somewhere else.
I found it on Paul Lipscomb onDCD Data Center Dynamics.
Has this published here?
Aramco Digital is reportedly intalks to take a significant
minority stake in the USsoftware maker Mavenir Telcom.
As reported by Reuters, aramcoDigital, the digital arm of
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Saudi Arabian oil company Aramco, is in discussions of a
potential billion dollarinvestment.
I think I just said that itreports that the deal values
Maveneer at $3 billion.
So the thing that gets me aboutthis man is that this is the
articles I've read aboutMaveneer, and correct me if I'm
wrong, I believe that Maveneeris a Texas company.
In reading about what they'redoing and in reading about Open
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RAN and what they're doing withOpen RAN and what they're doing
with AI is that they'reproviding the software that
orchestrates and runs thesenetworks and there's this big
push for AI on the back end tohelp not just the
troubleshooting side of it butthe support side of it as well.
That smells funny.
A billion dollars from SaudiArabia coming into a company
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that's running all of the AIintelligence for the back end,
for 5G and 6G technology.
It just I don't know.
I mean, I don't know, I don'tknow.
I don't do the global politicsthing, I don't know what that
looks like, but it's definitelya sign that Open RAN is getting
a heck of a lot more traction.
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Open RAN I've got a few articleson Open RAN here that I want to
talk about today becausethere's some significant
movement in there and it's takena while to get it to where it
is.
But now you have organizationsthat are deploying Open RAN and
the deal with Open RAN is verysimilar to what we're doing with
Open Wi-Fi.
Same kind of product groupright is very similar to what
we're doing with OpenWiFi.
Same kind of product groupright, where you have a radio
access network from one vendororchestration from another
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vendor.
Maybe you have a control plane,a data plane from another
vendor and you've got radioheads from another vendor and
antennas from another vendor andthey all work seamlessly
together using OpenRAN tocommunicate back and forth with
them.
Now there were some closedOpenRAN things that were
happening.
By closed OpenRAN I mean therewere companies, and I don't
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remember who it was, if it wasNokia or Ericsson.
Basically, there was a companythat said, yeah, we're OpenRAN,
but we only support our OpenRANequipment with each other, and
it was like dude, that's lame.
So now it seems like there's alot more happening there.
The OpenRAN battle has beentough Vendors such as Ericsson
commanding some of the biggerdeals, notably a $14 billion
open RAN deal with AT&T andother groups that are out there
playing in this space, and so,man, it's kind of weird to think
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that there's anout-of-the-country organization
that's making an investment orlooking at making an investment
behind that.
That's kind of crazy to thinkabout.
There's another thing.
Let me talk about Verizon realquick, because crazy to think
about.
There's another thing.
Let me talk about verizon realquick because check this out.
Here's another article, thisfrom our buddies over at fierce
network, monica aleven 11.
I'll even monica, I don't knowhow to say your last name aleven
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11, al all.
Even I don't know.
I don't know what it is.
This is covering that.
Verizon's latest dashdeployment isn't as lame as it
sounds.
I love the headline.
First of all, verizon deployedan open RAN-based DAS at two
locations in Austin.
So DAS is Distributed AntennaSystem, digital Antenna System.
I believe it's only DistributedAntenna System.
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Now, das is where you take ahead end that's connected to the
carrier network via fiber orcopper in some cases, and then
you run fiber optic cables or RFcables or coax cables out to
antennas.
You distribute them all overyour location, your stadium,
your airport, whatever it is,and then it acts as a cell site
in your area.
That's a traditional way to doDAS right.
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So Verizon has deployed twolocations in Austin using Open
RAN-based DAS, ready for this.
You know where this is going.
These DAS systems use O-RANinterfaces and gear from
different vendors.
So what they did and in thiscase this one was at the
University of Texas Moody Centerand the Austin Convention
Center, both those areas.
There hasn't been a goodconference at Austin Convention
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Center lately, other than I meanSouth by Southwest is always
there, but this is interestingto see UT Moody Center and
Austin Convention Center.
It's in here somewhere wherethey talk about it.
Here we go.
Verizon claims these DASinstallations in Austin are
special because they're thefirst DAS commercially deployed
in the Verizon network usingO-RAN interfaces with various
components from differentvendors.
Just like we said, samsung isproviding its virtual
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distributed units, their VDUs,with an ORAN interface to a
CommScope DAS.
So that's kind of cool.
So you've got multiple vendorsin there doing it and they talk
about how it drops in the lowercost, how now from a competitive
perspective they don't have touse the same vendor, and how
they're able to work withdifferent vendors best of breed
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for different areas, and talksabout how it future-proofs it so
that now they can swap one outof the other.
And the multi-vendor strategyis really strong.
Verizon deployed Samsung andComscope, but there's other ones
that are out there.
My buddy, monica Paolini fromSins of Philly was quoted in
this.
I see no problem withsingle-vendor or two-vendor open
RAN because they're the firststep in the open RAN direction.
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And even with multi-vendor RANsI do not expect a large number
of RU, cu and DU vendors in thesame network, even if the
interoperability is there.
The more vendors you have, themore complex the network is.
So you need to find the righttrade-off and avoid having more
vendors than you need.
Okay, that's fair.
But then inter-Maveneer right,these guys come, all this AI to
make it all work the way thatit's supposed to work, and
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they're just one of many.
But then it's like okay, yougot this whole network,
everything's running great, butit's Saudi.
That's kind of weird.
You see what I'm saying?
It's kind of weird.
I feel like I'm not too far offthe mark on that, but that's I
mean.
Whatever I mean, maybe we don'thave an issue there.
That's with Verizon.
And then there was another one.
Check this out.
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And here's another article thatpopped up along the same lines
from our buddies at RCR Wireless.
Juan Pedro Tomas says Hughessecured a deal to deploy 5G ORAN
in Fort Bliss.
So now you've got Verizon doingit, now you've got Hughes doing
this, and there's someinformation happening with
Hughes.
If you know, they're anEchoStar company, so lots to
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talk about with those.
Know they're an EchoStarcompany, so lots, lots to talk
about with those guys.
It featured a RAN intelligentcontroller which will allow the
Department of Defense to testRAN intelligent controller-based
software applications formilitary networks.
And this is at Fort Bliss andit can serve for their valuation
purposes for their networksupporting the DoD and
commercial customers in andaround Fort Bliss.
And let's see it talks about,let's see it talks about, let's
see.
Did they talk about who theyuse?
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But look at this, look, here'sthe, here's the part, here's the
part ready under the terms ofthe deal, use will serve as the
prime contractor demonstrating,qualifying and integrating a ran
intelligent controller in thetest network, which will also
incorporate oran'sinfrastructure ready for this.
Engineering expertise in 5gspectrum from boost mobile, also
owned by EchoStar, boost Mobile.
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There they are again.
You've got this group, boostMobile.
We talked about them last week.
Boost is trying to figure out.
They say that they're ready toplay with the big three.
They say that they're ready tobe looked at as one of the big
mobile network operators in theUS and they're trying to make
their mark man.
They've got some Black Fridaydeals that are pretty stellar
and they're trying to make theirmark man.
They've got some Black Fridaydeals that are pretty stellar.
And so now Echo Star is puttingthis out using O-RAN and using
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the spectrum from Boost becausethey own a whole ton of CBRS,
right, and we'll talk about thatin a second.
They own a whole ton of CBRS.
So what are they doing Now?
They're using O-RAN with thatspectrum in these areas.
That's pretty neat, man Like.
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In these areas.
That's pretty neat, man, like Isaid, lots happening in there.
So the open RAN space, the openWi-Fi space, the open
networking space there's somepretty cool things that are
happening there.
Look, I'm going to scroll down.
What is going on in CBRS, I askmyself.
And so there's this article.
Check this out.
This is why Boost Mobile isn'tusing CBRS right now.
The company owns whoa niceadvertisement.
Here you go, good job, niceadvertisement there.
Fierce Wireless Monica, whoselast name I can't pronounce.
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She filed this article also onNovember 18th.
The company owns oodles of CBRSlicenses across the country,
but it's not using CBRS Spectrumfor the build out of its
national 5G network.
Boost is waiting to get clarityfrom the FCC.
So here's the deal they own.
Echostar bought all thespectrum.
Dish bought all the spectrum onthe CBRS spectrum and they've
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got stuff in 35365.
They have those allocated unitsthere, but they also own stuff
down in 3.4, right, and so theyspent a billion dollars.
Look at that.
Priority access licenses in2020, spending almost a billion
dollars to acquire 5,492licenses.
It's not using those licenses,which cover most of the US.
Why not?
We've not started with CBRS?
Boost Mobile CTO Eben Albertontold Fierce in a recent
interview.
This discussion with the FCC isfantastically timed.
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I think we should have time todiscuss this.
So now they're talking aboutpower changes and they're
talking about can they use morepower in the spectrum that they
own?
What happens if you open it upfrom 349 all the way up to 39?
So they're not doing anythingyet, but now they're doing all
these like they're popping uplittle things, like the steel
down in Fort Bliss.
So Boost Mobile is sitting onall this spectrum.
They're saying, hey, we cancompete with these big carriers.
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They're sitting on all thisspectrum.
What happens if they get this?
What happens if they get this?
Man, it could be pretty crazyfor Boost, but now you've got
Starlink beaming cell phone fromspace into your pocket.
What an interesting time, man.
Mobile World Congress this yearis gonna be kind of interesting.
I think there's a lot happeningthere.
So it's weird to watch what'shappening.
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The CBRS auction everythingwent up.
It's like, okay, it's done, butthere's always more to the
story and we're seeing more ofthe story come out over time,
especially with the way Boost isdoing it.
Now I'm not going to dig intowhat happened on the Dish
Network, echo Star, the DishNetwork and DirecTV merger.
That was supposed to happen.
It didn't is what happened.
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The merger failed, it didn't gothrough.
But now they're saying, well,it might come back up again,
they might do that again.
So what a time, what a time.
What a time.
What a time, golly.
So lots to talk about today,y'all Sorry.
Lots to talk about.
Lots of fun stuff happening.
I hope I still have yourattention.
Maybe I don't have yourattention.
You know what I haven't.
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It's been a while.
Let me check and see.
Sometimes I get littlenotifications.
They're like Drew, someone'strying to talk to you online and
sometimes they're not.
But let's see.
Let me jump on LinkedIn realquick.
That's usually where I get alot of people trying to chit
chat, reacting to the post.
Very good, oh look, I postedabout me changing jobs and lots
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of people have given me someserious kudos.
So that's always good to see,man.
It's always like.
It's always neat to see whenyour friends get excited for you
and they came out of thewoodwork on this one.
It's pretty neat.
Okay, three, I have threecomments somewhere.
I don't know how to watch my.
I don't know what's up.
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I gotta learn how to internet alittle bit better and then
maybe I could.
I'll be dming you soon, saysluis guzman.
Scott mcneil says I wish Icould make it.
Life has conspired to give mefor going.
Which frequency is starlinkrunning for backhaul?
So for backhaul, that's wherethey're doing.
They were testing out thelasers, the point-to-point
lasers, free space optics inspace, and I know it's like 1950
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, I think is what they're doingto communicate to Earth.
But I don't know what they'redoing on backhaul, not sure.
Anyway, okay, let's see whatelse we got.
What's new, what's new, what'snew, what's happening right now
Edition DirecTV fails for now,but we but we'll see what
happens over time.
Or it says ergan sweetenerwasn't sweet enough.
Hey, that dude still.
You know, I'll say it.
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I think I've said before he wasone of the nicest people I met.
Charlie ergan was a lot of funto hang out with, man.
I hung out with him one time inuh for you know, for a hot
minute, and he was just a just areally nice guy.
It was wisp america and it wasthis tiny little conference
where there were like 300, 200,300 people there and, dude, all
of a sudden, the you knowpresident of dish rolls in just
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to have conversations and justto hang out with us and that was
.
That was pretty awesome.
I don't know if he still doesthat or not, but it was pretty.
It was pretty neat.
Yep, so there was a lot thathappened with that merger, or
the, the failed merger, but sobe it.
Okay, let's talk about wi-fi.
My buddy, matt McPherson, wasquoted in a paper talking about
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5G and Wi-Fi coexistence andthat's pretty neat.
I love Matt.
Matt, if you're listening,hello, it's good to hear you,
good to read what you're saying.
Matt McPherson, the wirelessCTO at Cisco, is talking about
coexistence between 5G and Wi-Fiand that's so great and
refreshing to hear, because Ireally think that this isn't a
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one-size-fits-all.
This isn't a situation whereit's going to be one or the
other and there's a lot that thetwo can share, and I don't have
to beat that drum.
If you're listening to thispodcast, you're pretty aware of
what's happening in the industryand I don't think that there's
anyone who's actually in thewireless industry who's saying
it has to be one or the otherand if they are, you're
listening to the wrong podcast.
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You should tell all yourfriends about Waves.
Anyway, cisco has a ton ofexperience in the enterprise
Wi-Fi and it's selling a private5G solution.
So I haven't seen the Cisco 5Gsolution.
I haven't seen it.
I wish I could see it.
Matt, send me one, let's playwith it.
Is it O-RAN capable?
There's a good question for you.
I wonder if it is.
If it's Cisco, maybe not, butI'm curious if it is.
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So four people on his teamliterally wrote the book.
Oh yeah, here's the plug.
Right, I love it.
Nice.
Wi-fi 7 In-Depth If you haven'tdot com, there you go and you
can purchase it.
Wi-fi 7 In-Depth your guide tomastering Wi-Fi 7, the 802.11 BE
protocol and their deployment.
This is from Jerome Henry,brian Hart, benita Gupta and
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Malcolm Smith all fineindividuals who know how to
write a fantastic book.
So if you're looking for thenew hotness, you're looking for
a stocking stuffer for yourChristmas list.
This is the one that you wantto buy all your wireless nerd
friends out there.
Of course, free plug for JJ'swireless security book.
Make sure you want to buy thatone also.
Anyway, so Matt goes in and he'stalking about I lost my deal
here.
Matt goes in and he's talkingabout how the two can coexist
right and how they can live sideby side.
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He says we take an AirPrizeview Whoa, where'd it go?
There we go.
We take an enterprise view.
We know how enterprise managesnetworks.
We know how enterprises applypolicy to those networks.
We'll come up with a private 5Gsolution that allows you the
same tools.
And so this was cool.
This was like November 21st,right?
So November 21st, matt'stalking about how these two
things will go back and forth.
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And then look at this.
You ready?
Check out this article as itloads.
November 24th, november 26th,two days later, cisco taps
NTT-owned Transatel for instant5G airtime of global eSIMs.
Cisco is to use theFrance-based virtual network
operator Transatel, owned byJapanese outfit NTT, to provide
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enterprise customers without-of-the-box 4G and 5G
cellular connectivity on its owneSIM solution in 180 countries.
It will be embedded initiallyinto Cisco's infrastructure
solutions.
It said so now you've got a 5Gchip that's going in there that
works through Transatel and NTTto work native 5G out-of-the-box
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.
Cisco called it a game changerfor a variety of enterprise use
cases, such as on-demand SD-WAN,fast scaling native 5G out of
the box.
Cisco called it a game changerfor a variety of enterprise use
cases, such as on-demand SD-WAN,fast scaling for 5G carriers,
edge compute for IoT.
So it was really neat to seethose two things happen back to
back.
First you get Matt talkingabout hey man, they got to
coexist, they're going to livetogether, everything's going to
be happy.
And then it's all bam, two dayslater they're talking about
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implementing that chip.
Now, while I'm talking aboutCisco, let me quickly talk about
Mobility Field Day.
That happened last week.
It happened on Wednesday.
Cisco gave a really bang-uppresentation.
Now I wrote an article aboutwhere I think that that
component of the industry iscalled Mower Field Day MFD as
well.
You can find it on LinkedIn,but it compared what's happening
in the whole campus network asa service and the network as a
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service solutions that are outthere To me.
I was trying to explain networkas a service to someone.
I started talking aboutlawnmowers and then I just wrote
a whole article aboutlawnmowers as a service, mowing
as a service.
But if you want to talk aboutlawnmowers themselves, if you
want to talk about the hardwareand the components, cisco had a
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really cool presentation.
It was fun to watch.
First off, if you know me, youknow that that was my old team,
so seeing everybody up on stagewas really cool to see.
It was great to see those facesand to hear what they were
talking about, and they had acouple of enlightening moments
at Mobility Field Day and this.
This is so I'm riffing rightnow.
Right, this, I don't have anyof this written down, so let's
see what stood out to me.
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So let's see here.
The first thing oh my god, itwas curb is cisco ultra reliable
broadband, ultra reliablewireless broadband.
Curb, the fluid mesh stuff,dude, it's fluid mesh.
So the fluid mesh acquisitionhappened god, I don't even
remember when it happened and itwas like why is cisco going to
buy this mesh product?
What are they going to do withit?
Is it ever going to come tofruition?
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Are they going to do anythingneat?
And then they start busting outthese crazy iot devices, these
hardened devices that had curbon the back end.
Essentially, what curb did isthat's two radios, one to
basically one to transmit onedirection, one transmit another
direction so that it could dohandoff like on a train.
Think about like you're on atrain car, train's cruising down
the track and one radio iscommunicating with a pole and as
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you pass it, the other radio isalready locking up that link so
that the handoff is seamless upto hundreds of miles per hour.
This thing's working.
It's just handing off from oneto the other to the other,
creating that ultra-reliablesolution.
I have my own problems withtheir naming convention ultra
reliable.
I had a whole blog about thatfrom a bunch of years back, but
that's not the point.
The point is is that they havethe curb technology, which has
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always been great, and me, who'sdone some of these outdoor
municipal wireless networks?
And with the background inStrix, I don't know who raise
your hand.
If you remember Strix and theLego building blocks of access
points that we had, it was likewell, if you've got these two
radios, one transmitting hereand second building the link, or
maybe you've got onetransmitting north and one
transmitting south, why not putan AP on there and use that AP
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for access so I can communicateup with a tower or to my local
node beside me and then useWi-Fi to serve clients
underneath?
And so I remember at Cisco,when I first started, I was like
dude, how cool would it be toget all of that under one roof
and that's what they announced.
That's one of theirannouncements is that they're
going to bring the CURWB familyinto management right now on the
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Catalyst side, on the CatalystCenter side.
And then they said obviouslyquote unquote, rocky in the
future, if you will.
But it was really neat to seethem advancing into that
technology space.
They've got the products.
They just were managed bysomething completely different.
Now the architecture is alittle wonky, I'm not going to
lie, and they know this.
You got to pass the data allthe way back to an independent
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curb device and then from thereyou can kick it out to a switch.
And they explained all that andyou can watch the videos at
Mobility Field Day.
But it was really neat to seethat they're taking some of the
products that they have andthey're finally getting them all
in the same management andcontrol plane.
As Lee Badman famously said, thesingle glass of pain.
I wish I had the applausebutton for that, god.
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Speaking of Lee, it was so goodto just spend time with him.
Man, if you don't know LeeBadman, I'm equally parts happy
for you and extremely sad foryou.
He's someone that you shouldget to know and he's a hell of a
writer.
So just look up Wired Knot andyou can read some of the stuff
that he's written about WiredKnot, the things that he's
written in the wireless industry, anyway.
So they talked about that.
They talked about their newwi-fi 7 aps and then they spent
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a lot of time talking aboutultra, ultra wideband, uwb and
you know, the last series of apsthat they had had fine time
measurement integrated into itand it was a deal where, like
cisco, spaces is the thing thatthey use to to look at all of
the like, all the spaces, allthe environmental things that
are happening in the building.
And you go to cisco Live andthey've got the demo of using
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the wireless to control theblinds and control the doors and
control the lighting and thenwhen you integrate spaces into
the APs, then you can start tosee where people are and where
they spend their time and howmuch time they spend and dwell
time and you can control yourwhole space using this.
But it was always an addedlicense fee.
Well, now, with their Wi-Fi 7APs, that is actually included
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with their Wi-Fi 7 APs, that isactually included.
The license for Spaces isincluded with the purchase of
those APs, and to me that's abig old sign of the times, right
?
I think I posted about thissomewhere, about how now people
can finally get a chance torealize what that product is and
what it does.
And playing devil's advocate,is that because nobody bought
the licenses?
I wonder.
But I don't think so.
I don't think that was it atall.
I think it's a great productand, more than anything, the
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Spaces team has put so much workinto that that I'm so glad that
everybody gets to use Spacesnow.
Who buys a Wi-Fi 7 AP?
So I'm totally stoked for theSpaces team.
But using fine time measurement,that was a part of what the
Spaces license would give youwith the ability for the APs to
find each other.
Now, with ultra-wideband, theAPs can find themselves better.
Now what does that mean, right?
What does real-time locationservices and Wi-Fi mean?
It means that not only do yourdevices understand where they
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are and they're aware of wherethey are, but when you start to
think about the clients, theclient side of this, eric
McLaughlin did an incrediblepresentation last year or this
year at Wi-Fi Now, and I thinkhe did it at WBA as well, where
he talked about Intel's visionfor what spatial computing looks
like, or contextually awarecomputing looks like where you
go and you sit down at your deskand, based on where you are in
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the network, it automaticallylogs you in because, instead of
two-factor authentication ormulti-factor authentication,
part of that is you being in thepresence or your watch and your
phone being in the samepresence as your laptop and
understanding that that'ssomething that needs to happen
for some type of securityauthentication.
So when you think about whatultra-wideband brings to this,
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and then BLE 6 as well, and youthink about how all these phones
have the U2 chipset in them nowthat allows for ultra-wideband
native functionality on its ownchip.
It's what they use for AirPodsand AirTags.
It's what they use to do thelittle trilateration,
triangulation stuff.
If you think about what theimplications of contextually
aware computing can mean in thisday and age and what that can
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mean five years down the roadwith being able to identify
where compute resources arelocated and how to use those
resources in the time that thoseresources are needed, this goes
back to man, the book that'ssitting on my shelf by Matt Ball
.
Matthew Ball has a book calledthe Metaverse and it's
incredible to think about and Iwant to touch on it, because he
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talks about spatial computing inthe metaverse not spatial
computing, but contextuallyaware computing in that book,
where it's like if I'm sittingin this office that I'm in right
now right, and I need a wholebunch of resources to locally
run some type of AI generation,then why not use all of the
resources that are in thisoffice?
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I'm cleaning it out right now.
There's a bunch of junk layingaround, but from the stuff
that's plugged in, I've got anAlexa device, I've got a ham
radio, I've got two laptops,I've got a computer, I've got my
phone, I've got my watch, I'vegot all these other devices that
are plugged in that havecompute power that's available.
Why not use all of this computepower here right now to do what
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I need to do quicker, justbased on where I am?
And if I'm close to thebathroom or if I'm close to the
hallway and there's spatial,there's compute that's available
there then why not leveragethat to give me as much compute
power as I need where I need it,when I need it, and then, when
I walk away, go into energysaving mode, shut that stuff
down.
I don't need to use the compute.
Decrease my light bill decrease.
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Decrease my light bill,decrease the heat that's coming
off these devices as soon as Iwalk out the door.
Ultra-wideband gets us downinto that centimeter accuracy,
right Into inch and centimeteraccuracy of where devices are
and where people are and, byvirtue of that, where compute
needs to happen.
So if you think about that, ifyou think about what that means
that's why I got so excitedabout it it's like, oh, there's
a UWB chip inside the Wi-Fi 7 APNext we're going to talk about.
I was like, well, hold on,there's so much more to the
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story when it comes to real-timelocation services and
contextually aware compute thatUWB is going to enable, and so
kudos to the team for stickingthat in the access points.
I think that that's really neatand I'm glad that there's an
emphasis on it.
And when you talk about thepower to visualize and harness
all that and you look at theSpaces product, cisco's got a
pretty cool solution for allthose things that are going on
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there.
They talked about that.
They talked about their AIarchitecture, their AI RM.
They talked about what they cando in the cloud.
To take troubleshooting a stepfurther, minsei Kim, one of my
favorite people at Cisco, minseitalked about, he even tweeted.
He talked about taking Radiusand getting or not Radius.
Taking Syslog and dumpingSyslog.
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And this is like the Syslog ofthe future, where you don't
actually have to look at the logfile.
You can use their product to gothrough and analyze everything
that's going on to get you theresults that you need about the
network that you're working on.
And then the next step is thatautomation component.
The other presenter at MobilityField and I appreciate y'all
listening to me if you're stilllistening to me, it's a lot of
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fun 45 minutes in and I can'tshut up.
It's been a fun week, man.
Then you talk about Nile, right, and this is where I talked
about the lawnmower thing.
You know I've covered Meter inthe past and we were out at the
Meter event and we knew Nile wascoming up.
And if you go back and look atthe history of Nile and how it
came about, it's a fun journeyto watch.
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And Suresh was there and socool to have him as a presenter,
by the way so dope.
We could have talked for hoursand hours and hours about what
they're doing and I think it'sreally neat.
But they represent one extremeright, in my opinion, and the
extreme that they representisn't a bad thing, and I think
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that a lot of what's happeningwith Nile and with Meter and
Campus Network as a Service andNetwork as a Service, it all
goes to the same thing that I'mthinking to the reason I jumped
on the team that I did, as I'mlooking at everything it's going
, you know, are we finally at aplace where people are willing
to and comfortable enough to payfor a solution that is going to
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work the way that they want itto work and then that's it?
They don't care about channelsize, they don't care about
channel width, they don't careabout frequency, none of that
stuff.
The people like you guys thatare listening to this y'all you
know gals and guys that arelistening to this y'all are the
ones who appreciate the minutiawhen it comes to it.
Y'all are the ones whoappreciate the minutia when it
comes to it.
But a lot of that stuff arethings that can be automatically
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delegated, changed,resource-conscious,
resource-aware, can bemanipulated and modified by a
system, by a radio, by anorchestration server, whatever
it is, to facilitate a betterconnection.
So if we can do that and we candemonstrate that that works
well, are we at a point wherethings like Campus Network as a
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Service is actually viable, andone of my favorite questions
that I asked all my questionsare my favorite questions.
Lee had some good questions too,though, and Scott I love
listening to McDermott ask hisquestions too.
It was always fun, but thething that I asked Suresh was
like, what's stopping now fromtaking over the world?
What's holding this back?
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What's holding Campus Networkas a service back?
And the answer was blunt.
It was people, right, it waspeople who just don't want to
change the way that they dothings, don't want to change the
way that they do things, andthat kicked off this whole
conversation about how, you know, are we at that point in our
careers where we're comfortableletting go?
We're comfortable letting go ofthe reins and letting the quote
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, unquote the computer do allthe work for us?
And if we are, what does thatoutcome look like for us in the
next couple of years?
What are we going to spend ourtime doing?
And I get it, it's hard to letgo, and I use the self-driving
car analogy.
I remember when I first satdown in a Tesla and I put on
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full self-driving, I was soscared I would keep my hands
right near the wheel just incase, like, oh God, I hope it
doesn't wreck.
You know what I mean.
And then two weeks ago, threeweeks ago I got in a car that
was doing full self-driving fromhere to Corpus Christi, three
hours away, and it drove thewhole way and it was comfortable
and it was convenient and itworked the way that it was
supposed to.
And, yeah, there's littlethings.
It would get kind ofherky-jerky going around a
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corner in a parking lot orwhatever.
There's little things.
But we're at this point nowwhere it's gotten so much better
than it was before.
Are we there with networking yet?
Are we at a point where peopleare willing to say, hey, you
know what, set it and forget it?
Almost right, set it up and letit do its thing, and if it's
not broken then we don't need toworry about it.
Let's focus on the big things.
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Have we finally turned thecorner on spending more time
working on devices to make surethat they work and then doing
the troubleshooting, where wehave a lot of troubleshooting
that goes into it?
Are we finally at a point whereit's like set it up and spend a
little amount of time onlytroubleshooting the really,
really tough stuff, which, again, the little tough things are
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the ones that take up all thetime.
Right, it's those snowflakes,they're all snowflakes.
As Suresh said, there's allthese little snowflakes on
networks or of networks thatconsume all of our time and our
energy.
But are we at a point where wecan get rid of the mundane tasks
and get rid of that stuff?
And I think that that's whenyou talk about the future of
networking.
Niall again represented to me.
They represent that far side ofit where it's like here's the
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option where you just cut acheck and everything works the
way it's supposed to.
Now there was some back andforth about if that's viable or
not, but at the end of the day,we're getting there because
there's people pushing theenvelope.
Right, I just came to work at acompany that I take stuff out
of a box and I plug it in and Ihaven't deployed it yet in my
house.
Right, honestly, because I wantmy wife to do it.
My wife is one of the mostbrilliant people that I know and
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she has very little patiencefor technology.
It's just supposed to work.
So I want her to deploy it so Ican get her opinion right.
So are we at a place where youcan just take stuff out of the
box and deploy it and then gookay, it's working, it's great,
walk away, don't have to worryabout it.
That's the promise, right?
That quality of experience froma deployment and administration
side, not just the user side,but the experience of being able
to set up networks and walkaway from them.
I think that's where I look atNile and Nile is the assistant
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in that, they're the hand holder, in that where they say, yeah,
you can do that and we've gotyour back should something
happen.
I think it's cool.
And then the whole meterconversation, right, and then
the whole meter conversation,right.
So, anyway, that was MobilityField Day in a nutshell.
Those are my feelings on whatwas happening there.
One of the things I touched onwhen I was talking about that is
something that came up in letme see if I can find it.
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There was an article that wastalking about Broadcom and Wi-Fi
7 and Wi-Fi 8.
So the last thing that I wantedto cover on here is this is an
article that was published onlet's see by Broadcom and RCR
News.
Sponsored Drew's reading.
Sponsored messages.
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Broadcom demonstrated the powerof 320 megahertz channels live
last May at the Dynamic SpectrumAlliance Summit in Geneva.
Now the reason I thought thatthis was fascinating and I asked
Eric from Intel, who's quotedin here.
I reached out to him onLinkedIn, so if you know Eric,
say hey, you should totally talkto Drew.
I want 15, 20 minutes of histime because he's quoted in here
talking about the number ofdevices that are supporting 320
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megahertz.
When it comes to personalcomputing devices, such as
notebooks, desktops and tablets,intel recently found that, of
the 269 models on the market,87% support 320 megahertz, while
just 13% only support 160.
The company further reportedthat Wi-Fi 7 has ramped 2.3
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times faster than Wi-Fi 6C oneyear after the Wi-Fi Alliance
certification.
And so Eric's in here talkingabout support for 360 megahertz
in the 6 gigahertz band.
Man, you know we still fight for20 and 40 megahertz, right?
But 320, is 320 going to be thenorm?
And it looks like, if there'ssupport there, is this what's
going to ship out of the box?
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And for residential?
You know, I don't know.
I got to go look at the specsof what Eero's doing, right?
I don't know.
Is it out of the box 320 onWi-Fi 7?
I don't know how it turned onyet, don't tell my boss.
But is it 320 out of the box?
And if so, cool, let's see itwork.
You know what I mean.
But in enterprise, is thatreally the deal?
Are we going to see enterpriseaccess points that come out of
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the box at 320 megahertz?
Because that just gives me theheebie-jeebies man.
It just seems like that's nuts,because in a presentation that
Cisco did when we were talkingabout this at Mobility Field Day
, this is just like going backto 802.11.
Even with all the magicalspectrum that's out there now
you're down to three channels.
You've got six channels tochoose from, three usable
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channels and 320 megahertz.
So I'm curious if anyone'sdeploying 320 megahertz channels
.
I'm going to turn it on, I'mgoing to see how well it works
and, again, I'm in an enclosedenvironment here in my house, so
not a big deal, but I'm curiousas to what 320 megahertz
channels look like in theenterprise.
That was a lot, and if youstayed the whole time, I
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appreciate you.
Anyway, that's what I got goingon, man, lots on my mind and
lots happening.
I hope that you all are havingas wonderful of a year as I am.
If you want to talk about whatI'm doing at Eero and you want
to get hands-on with some of thegear.
You want to understand a littlebit more about Eero, please let
me know, because I'm trulyexcited about it.
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I've got a fun background inmesh networking and this is the
the next iteration of that andit's really neat to see.
So if you have any questionsabout what I'm doing, reach out.
Otherwise, yeah, man,reinvent's coming up next week
and then I might be out in theBay Area in second week in
December.
So if I'm out there in SanFrancisco and you want to say hi
or grab a drink, I'll postsomething online and we can go
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grab a coffee or a beer orsomething.
And otherwise, if you're goingto be at CES, drop me a line.
I'll meet you guys out at CESand we'll go have a grand old
time.
Yeah, man, it's great to talk toall you.
I hope you enjoyed theinterview last week with Mario
from Helium.
That's got some really neatstuff that's happening there.
If you want to learn a littlebit about anything else and you
have someone you want me tointerview, please drop me a
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message or do an introduction.
If you think there's someonegood that you want to hear on
the show, I'll be happy to talkto them.
I'm loving learning as much asI am, so it's really cool.
Anyway, all right.
Well, if you're in the States,happy Thanksgiving.
If you're not in the States,happy Thanksgiving from all of
us here in the States, but Ihope you all have a tremendous
week this week.
Thanks for listening to theWaves Podcast.
We're still getting tons ofdownloads and I really, really
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do appreciate them.
My wife still owes me a trip toMexico that she has not allowed
me to cash in on yet, so maybesomeday, honey, if you're
listening, you'll follow throughwith your promise to take me to
Mexico if I get more than 1,000subs on YouTube, which I do
have like 1,000 and a half 1,600, something like that.
So if you like what you see,drop me a message.
If you don't like what you see,drop me a message.
Also, I'd rather hear the badthan the good.
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No-transcript.
Howdy, howdy, howdy.
It's Drew Lentz, Wireless Nerd.
It is Tuesday, november 26, 26de Noviembre.
Aquí estoy en el estudio deChachalaca en McAllen, texas.
Here we are at ChachalacaStudios.
I don't know, I like to call itChachalaca Studios, it's just
my office.
What a week it's been.
And it's so.
It's so cool, it's sorefreshing.
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I've been keeping a secret for alittle while and now I finally
get to share it with everybody.
It's been a heck of a year.
To quote another country musicmagician, he says Parker
McCollum has a song where hesays it's been a hell of a year.
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Well, it has been a hell of ayear, parker, and I am happy to
announce that after thisincredible year that I made a
cool little video I postedonline, I've joined the team
with Amazon with Eero.
So Eero is a company thatmanufactures wireless access
points for people's homes, formesh networks, for people to pop
up quick and easy to use,solutions that are focused on
making sure they deliver a goodquality of experience, and a
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couple, two, three, four yearsago they got acquired by Amazon,
so you might have seen them inthat whole little world of
Amazon things that are out there, and I have come on board as a
senior solutions architect,helping have some fun with Eero,
and I'm very excited it's been.
It's been really cool, man.
It's a good team and I've beenway busier this week than I
thought I was going to be.
Next week I'll be at AWSreInvent.
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If anyone will be out there inVegas, let me know.
I'll be happy to meet up withyou and then I'll be scheduled
for CES, which is dope because Iwas going to go to CES anyway.
Y'all you know the drill.
I love going out to C's a lothappening and it's going to be a
really fun ride.
It's going to be a cool place.
We're doing some really neatstuff and I'm very excited about
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it.
So, yeah, it's back to thegrind, if you will, but I
wouldn't have chosen somethingthat I didn't really want to do,
that I didn't like.
So it's cool.
I got to be picky a little bit,had some really good
opportunities, got to see whatthe market looked like, and I
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think I talked about this lastweek.
I reached out, actually to myrecruiter, to one of the
recruiters that I was workingwith, because I really wanted to
know what it was like to be inthe recruiter's shoes,
especially in this day and agewith everything that's going on
with tech.
So, that being said, keep upthe good fight.
If you have any questions oryou need any help with
recruiters or talking to peopleor any of that, let me know and
I'll be happy to connect you towhoever.
There's always people therehiring and there's a lot of
really good opportunities thatare out there in the wireless
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space.
So if you're looking for a newgig, if you want to change a
little bit, then you know, reachout and I'll help connect you
to changes.
I am.
I'm rocking a sweatshirt that Italked about on linkedin today.
This, uh, one of these sideshere.
This is a brand I love manjohnny cupcakes.
Johnny earl has announced thathe'll be closing his store
johnny cupcakes that's onnewberry street in boston and
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it's it's been a.
It's just.
You know that it's a brandthat's been around for a really
long time and to watch him growin his brand and do the things
that he's done.
He started off working in acomic store and playing in a
hardcore band and then sellingmerch out of the trunk of his
car and then turning that into abrand and then opening stores
across the world.
I got the opportunity to be athis grand opening on Melrose in
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LA a bunch of years back and itwas what an incredible
experience.
And he's gone.
He's a speaker.
He's a keynote speaker,inspirational type speaker.
So if you're looking forsomeone to come get a crowd all
creatively thinking about whatthey're doing, johnny's a good
guy for that.
He's kicking off hisexperiential industry or his
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marketing industry, I guess orhis marketing agency in the
marketing industry.
So if you need someone toreally build an incredible brand
, johnny Earl E-A-R-L-E.
You can find him online.
He's in Boston and JohnnyCupcakes is not dead.
He's just moved mail order,which is awesome.
But his little logo says domore of what makes you happy,
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and I've always followed that.
So it's a fun dude.
Sad to see the stores go away,but that's okay.
We'll still order some stuffand I'll be rocking the cupcake
and crossbones for as long as Ican.
So that's what's going on there.
Tomorrow, let's see.
Tomorrow's another workday, Iguess.
And then Turkey Day is thisweek.
If you're in the States.
If you're not in the States,feel free to eat turkey anyway,
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and let's see.
Let's jump into some stuffthat's going on.
First, I mentioned some of theshows that are going on right
now.
We've got WLPC coming up inPhoenix.
The voting might have closed.
I think the voting still mightbe open for the sessions for
WLPC.
If you're in the wirelessindustry, if you're listening to
this podcast, I really hope tosee you at WLPC.
If I haven't met you yet,please come up and say hi to me.
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I'm going to try and do abroadcast from there this year.
It's going to be fun.
It's going to be a really funyear.
The content that was at thePrague show was so good just so
incredibly good.
So coming into Phoenix, it'sprobably going to be just
exceptional and I'm reallylooking forward to seeing
everybody out there.
That's coming up in February.
Ces in January it's my favoritething to go to.
Always has been.
I really enjoy CES, seeingwhat's happening in the consumer
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electronics industry.
Next week is AWS reInvent.
I went to it last year.
It was my first year.
I went with my buddy Bender andhe got to show me the world of
AWS, which is pretty interesting.
I mean they do a lot of cloudstuff like a significant amount,
so that's a fun show.
I think that's all.
I don't know what WICO's got onthe calendar right now, but
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they're doing some fun events.
They just had another one wrapup.
So just a lot happening as theyear comes to an end.
But there's also some changesthat are coming, man, you know.
So, if you don't know thisabout me, I'm not really a
sports person.
I follow the Astros because I'min Texas and I try and follow
the Cowboys.
But person, I follow the Astrosbecause I'm in Texas and I try
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and follow the Cowboys.
But I mean, really, is anyCowboys fan really a Cowboys fan
at this point?
I don't know, spurs go, Spursgo.
But you know, other than sports, I love politics and I love
following politics, and so Idon't talk about it on here
because it's just not the rightplace, man, you know.
But when things bleed over likethey're doing right now, I'll
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try and give a very differentperspective, not political, but
the stuff that's happening withUSF and with USAC and with
E-rate is tough, man, and it'stough to watch.
And now, some of the broadbandthings that are happening with
the broadband equity grants.
There's some things that arehappening.
So let's jump into what's goingon right now.
First and foremost, a tweetcame out about three hours ago.
(06:29):
It looks like and here's thetweet, let's see.
Is my screen showing?
Okay there?
Yeah, if you're okay.
So if you're watching this onthe internets, then you can see
the screen.
Let me make that a little bitbigger for you.
There you go, you can seewhat's happening on the screen.
If not, I'm going to go aheadand read it.
And what it says is the fccjust granted starlink us
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commercial license for ourdirect to sell programs.
Check that out, man.
Direct to sell on starlink.
The fcc approved it.
There's a lot that's happeningwith that space, with sad, with
the satellite communicationspace, and I wasn't expecting to
talk about this.
I didn't even know that thiswas going to happen as quickly
as it did.
But direct-to-sell I mean thisis fascinating to know that
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Starlink has a direct-to-sellapproval, because does this mean
they're another carrier?
I know that they've partneredwith T-Mobile and I know that
they've got the direct-to-sellprogram that they've done with
T-Mobile for Handoff.
But does this mean that we'regoing to see SpaceX and Starlink
come into the carrier space?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean it's been approved andthe document over here from the
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FCC.
Let's load it up real quick andsee what this thing looks like
on our handy-d pdf reader.
In the matter of spaceexploration towing request for
deployment operation authorityfor spacex gen 2 satellite
system, modifying it to add adirect to cell system.
I mean I haven't read it, I'mnot going to read it right now,
but wow, that's.
Is that a sign of the times?
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Does that mean that we've gotto look forward to do another
type of carrier that's out there?
I mean I remember the iridiumand I remember those worked
pretty well, but these arerunning on the devices that are
in our pockets today.
I mean kind of fascinating tothink about where that's going
to go.
The thing that I wanted to talkabout before that, even before
they announced a direct-to-selldeal, was this SpaceX has two
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gig speeds for Starlink withcapacity upgrades.
Gwen Shotwell said thecompany's improvements to
satellite communications areadvancing at a rate similar to
Moore's law for computer chips.
This article filed by MichaelKan in PCMag November 18th,
saying Starlink is going tocreep up on those 2 gigabit per
second speeds.
This you know this all I comefrom the WIS space right and
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doing stuff in rural America andtrying to figure out how to get
people connectivity who don'thave access to traditional
connectivity, and this is justlike this is nuts man.
I mean, is this reallyhappening?
Spacex and satellite commsadvancing and moving so fast?
The cycle of increased capacityis based on the same cycle as
chipsets, which is likely todouble the capacity every two
years.
Wow, I mean, here it goes andthere's the video.
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So currently a single $349Starlink dish can receive
download speeds between 100 and200 megabit per second depending
on the area.
I have Starlink, I'm a Starlinksubscriber for my backup
service here at my home and youknow I've seen the speeds.
But man in the gigs, wow, whatsignal is that to the rest of
the wireless isp industry?
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You know toronto makes aproduct that does some pretty
incredible stuff up, you know,multiple hundreds of gigabit or
multiple hundreds of megabitsand into gigabit speeds.
But you know, with theadvancement of mlo and things
that are being deployed now foroutdoor wi-fi, I guess those
speeds are are about par for thecourse, which is kind, kind of
crazy.
So, wow, gig satellite.
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I mean, who would have thunk itAlong those lines?
Stuff that's happening withinthe FCC.
You know there was theannouncement of Starlink being
able to go direct to sell.
But there is one thing that hasmade me a little sad, just
because this is someone who Ihave followed for quite a while
and has always.
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I just I always felt like thisperson was super friendly and I
got to know some of the peoplein her office, and I don't.
I may have traded an email ortwo with her, but never got
really the chance to sit downand have a conversation with her
, but always did some reallyneat stuff.
Chairman Rosenworcel.
Jessica Rosenworcel hasannounced her departure
departure from the FCC.
This isn't new.
Whenever there's a changing ofthe guards when it comes to the
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president, usually if they're ofthe opposing party, they'll go
ahead and step down, and so shesaid that she intends to depart
the FCC on January 20th 2025.
She issued the followingstatement, saying serving at the
FCC has been an honor of alifetime and especially her
tenure as chair is the firstwoman in history to be confirmed
to lead the agency.
President Biden for entrustingme with the responsibility to
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guide the FCC during a time whencommunications technology is
part of every aspect of civicand commercial life.
I agree, she's been there for awhile doing some really neat
stuff, and she talked about howthis is.
You know how, how car brandoncarr has been, I guess, tagged
for taking over as the fccchairman under trump and said
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hey, you know he nobody knowsthese people better than he does
.
So there's, you know,regardless of of party
affiliation and whatnot, there'sthere is a change happening at
the fcc.
Is it going to be beneficial toconsumers and businesses, one
side more than the other?
I don't know.
I mean, we'll find out.
The fcc has has a changehappening at the FCC.
Is it going to be beneficial toconsumers and businesses, one
side more than the other?
I don't know.
I mean, we'll find out.
The FCC has always done apretty good job of trying to
keep things down the middle andwith a twist right on either
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side.
But just to know that, we hadher for a minute.
So, chairman Rosenworcel, weappreciate everything that you
did.
It was fantastic to have thefirst chairwoman of the FCC.
So kudos to you on all the hardwork that you did and we're
looking forward to seeing what'shappening Coming next with the
FCC.
And let's see what did she say?
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There's a quote.
Ars ran an article and she saidwhere was it?
She said setting up the largestbroadband affordability program
in history, connecting morethan 23 million households.
She said yep, she had atwo-to-two deadlock.
Oh, here we go.
She's familiar with the staff,saying the FCC is fortunate to
have extraordinary expertisethanks to hardworking public
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servants who labor faithfully toimplement the law and help
build a digital future.
From his time here, I amconfident that Commissioner Carr
is familiar with the staff, theresponsibilities of the new
role and the importance of thecontinued US leadership in
communication.
So very cool to pass the torchon to the next one.
But can he sing karaoke like aJit Pai did at the Wi-Fi?
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Now, excuse me, world Congressin Sarasota.
All net neutrality stuff aside,that dude was fun to hang out
with.
I got to say that it was a goodtime.
Let's see what else ishappening.
This was kind of cool.
I guess there's things that Ineed to be careful what I talk
about because of who my employeris.
Now I guess I can't.
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I'm not an officialspokesperson for the
organization, so I'm just goingto read this headline here from
Ars Technica that says Amazonpours another $4 billion into
Anthropic, openai's biggestrival.
Amazon has now committed $8billion to AI startups that make
the key chat GPT competitor.
What I will say isn'tnecessarily about that news,
although that's really cool forAnthropic.
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It was that when the electionswere going on.
I built a website calledpolitikeracom and at
politikeracom what we did is wepulled publicly available data
from voting locations throughoutor from the general election
headquarters in the countiesthat we live in, and we plotted
it all on a map and I think Italked about it a little bit on
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here.
What was really neat about itwas we didn't write any code and
I didn't know what Claude was.
I mean, a friend of mine, adeveloper friend of mine, was
like dude, we totally have touse Claude.
And so I used Claude.
We used Claude to write thewhole thing.
Claude did all the programming.
For us is the model fromAnthropic.
It's the tool from Anthropicthat is used.
It's their AI tool.
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So we interfaced with Claudeand that's how we wrote all the
codes.
That was kind of cool to seethat come full circle.
It was pretty neat.
It looks like we both got alittle.
How do you do?
Tip of the hat from Amazon.
So that's kind of neat.
Need to see another organizationgetting some new stuff.
It says under the agreement,anthropic will train and deploy
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its foundation models usingAmazon's custom-built Trainium
for training AI models and itsInferentia chips.
Is that how you say it?
Inferentia For AI inference,the term for running trained
models.
I hope to see some of this atAWS reInvent.
It'll be neat to see some ofthat stuff going around.
I have no idea what to expectfrom AWS reInvent.
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There's a couple meetings I'mgoing to, so I'm excited about
that, but I can't wait to seewhat the buzz is, especially
regarding AI.
The company worked withAmazon's Annapurna Labs division
to advance processordevelopment for AI applications.
Reportedly, anthropic has alsobeen assisting Amazon with
developing a new version of itsAlexa AI Assistant.
That's pretty cool.
I haven't met anybody on thoseteams yet.
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Looking forward to meetingpeople on those teams.
That's going to be pretty neatto see how all that comes
together.
So I'm excited for that.
I think that that's pretty neat.
There's a lot of stuffhappening in that space.
Obviously, you know that aswell as I do.
Let's see.
I don't know what this is.
Let's see.
Ai grandma yeah, here we go.
Perplexity, another tool,another AI tool.
Check this one out.
Perplexity says the AI grandmaties up scanners.
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Daisy, an AI-powered grannydeveloped by O2 in collaboration
with scam baiter Jim Browning,is designed to combat phone
scammers by engaging them inprolonged conversations, thereby
preventing them from targetingreal victims and gathering
valuable data on fraudulenttactics.
I just thought this was I guessyou can use it with perplexity,
I'm not sure the featuresenable Daisy to engage scammers
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effectively, maintainingbelievable conversations that
can last up to 40 minutes.
You know, I laugh at this, right, because I think that this is
that's kind of funny that itwould do this.
But there was an article thatwas done.
That was a podcast I listenedto and it talked about the
people that are in these callfarms, these spam calling farms,
and what they go through, andyou know, they found something
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that escaped and and got awayand talked about how horrendous
it was actually working forthese places that are these,
these spam calling farms.
So so, yeah, this is this isgood and it's funny, man, but
the human impact of this on thepeople that are going to get
baited into talking to ai, Idon't even want to think about
that, but either way, that is aninteresting use case for AI,
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daisy, the AI-powered granny,yeah, anyway, I don't know what
that has to do with wireless,but I thought that that was
pretty funny.
Sorry, I thought I'd talk aboutthat one.
Let's see what else do we have.
Oh man, okay, that one, let'ssee what else do we have.
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Oh, man, okay, this one's kindof weird and and oh, come on,
really, man, so I'm not, I don'tsubscribe to telecom papercom,
and I guess I should, becausethen I can show off what this
article is, but I don't.
Well, okay, you guys want tostare at the screen with me?
Let me turn that screen off,anyway.
This, anyway, this was aninteresting article to read.
Let me see if there's somewhereelse that I can find it.
Aramco, saudi Aramco is in talksof a billion-dollar investment
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in Maveneer.
And that is here we go.
I found it somewhere else.
I found it on Paul Lipscomb onDCD Data Center Dynamics.
Has this published here?
Aramco Digital is reportedly intalks to take a significant
minority stake in the USsoftware maker Mavenir Telcom.
As reported by Reuters, aramcoDigital, the digital arm of
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Saudi Arabian oil company Aramco, is in discussions of a
potential billion dollarinvestment.
I think I just said that itreports that the deal values
Maveneer at $3 billion.
So the thing that gets me aboutthis man is that this is the
articles I've read aboutMaveneer, and correct me if I'm
wrong, I believe that Maveneeris a Texas company.
In reading about what they'redoing and in reading about Open
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RAN and what they're doing withOpen RAN and what they're doing
with AI is that they'reproviding the software that
orchestrates and runs thesenetworks and there's this big
push for AI on the back end tohelp not just the
troubleshooting side of it butthe support side of it as well.
That smells funny.
A billion dollars from SaudiArabia coming into a company
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that's running all of the AIintelligence for the back end,
for 5G and 6G technology.
It just I don't know.
I mean, I don't know, I don'tknow.
I don't do the global politicsthing, I don't know what that
looks like, but it's definitelya sign that Open RAN is getting
a heck of a lot more traction.
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Open RAN I've got a few articleson Open RAN here that I want to
talk about today becausethere's some significant
movement in there and it's takena while to get it to where it
is.
But now you have organizationsthat are deploying Open RAN and
the deal with Open RAN is verysimilar to what we're doing with
Open Wi-Fi.
Same kind of product groupright is very similar to what
we're doing with OpenWiFi.
Same kind of product groupright, where you have a radio
access network from one vendororchestration from another
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vendor.
Maybe you have a control plane,a data plane from another
vendor and you've got radioheads from another vendor and
antennas from another vendor andthey all work seamlessly
together using OpenRAN tocommunicate back and forth with
them.
Now there were some closedOpenRAN things that were
happening.
By closed OpenRAN I mean therewere companies, and I don't
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remember who it was, if it wasNokia or Ericsson.
Basically, there was a companythat said, yeah, we're OpenRAN,
but we only support our OpenRANequipment with each other, and
it was like dude, that's lame.
So now it seems like there's alot more happening there.
The OpenRAN battle has beentough Vendors such as Ericsson
commanding some of the biggerdeals, notably a $14 billion
open RAN deal with AT&T andother groups that are out there
playing in this space, and so,man, it's kind of weird to think
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that there's anout-of-the-country organization
that's making an investment orlooking at making an investment
behind that.
That's kind of crazy to thinkabout.
There's another thing.
Let me talk about Verizon realquick, because crazy to think
about.
There's another thing.
Let me talk about verizon realquick because check this out.
Here's another article, thisfrom our buddies over at fierce
network, monica aleven 11.
I'll even monica, I don't knowhow to say your last name aleven
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11, al all.
Even I don't know.
I don't know what it is.
This is covering that.
Verizon's latest dashdeployment isn't as lame as it
sounds.
I love the headline.
First of all, verizon deployedan open RAN-based DAS at two
locations in Austin.
So DAS is Distributed AntennaSystem, digital Antenna System.
I believe it's only DistributedAntenna System.
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Now, das is where you take ahead end that's connected to the
carrier network via fiber orcopper in some cases, and then
you run fiber optic cables or RFcables or coax cables out to
antennas.
You distribute them all overyour location, your stadium,
your airport, whatever it is,and then it acts as a cell site
in your area.
That's a traditional way to doDAS right.
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So Verizon has deployed twolocations in Austin using Open
RAN-based DAS, ready for this.
You know where this is going.
These DAS systems use O-RANinterfaces and gear from
different vendors.
So what they did and in thiscase this one was at the
University of Texas Moody Centerand the Austin Convention
Center, both those areas.
There hasn't been a goodconference at Austin Convention
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Center lately, other than I meanSouth by Southwest is always
there, but this is interestingto see UT Moody Center and
Austin Convention Center.
It's in here somewhere wherethey talk about it.
Here we go.
Verizon claims these DASinstallations in Austin are
special because they're thefirst DAS commercially deployed
in the Verizon network usingO-RAN interfaces with various
components from differentvendors.
Just like we said, samsung isproviding its virtual
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distributed units, their VDUs,with an ORAN interface to a
CommScope DAS.
So that's kind of cool.
So you've got multiple vendorsin there doing it and they talk
about how it drops in the lowercost, how now from a competitive
perspective they don't have touse the same vendor, and how
they're able to work withdifferent vendors best of breed
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for different areas, and talksabout how it future-proofs it so
that now they can swap one outof the other.
And the multi-vendor strategyis really strong.
Verizon deployed Samsung andComscope, but there's other ones
that are out there.
My buddy, monica Paolini fromSins of Philly was quoted in
this.
I see no problem withsingle-vendor or two-vendor open
RAN because they're the firststep in the open RAN direction.
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And even with multi-vendor RANsI do not expect a large number
of RU, cu and DU vendors in thesame network, even if the
interoperability is there.
The more vendors you have, themore complex the network is.
So you need to find the righttrade-off and avoid having more
vendors than you need.
Okay, that's fair.
But then inter-Maveneer right,these guys come, all this AI to
make it all work the way thatit's supposed to work, and
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they're just one of many.
But then it's like okay, yougot this whole network,
everything's running great, butit's Saudi.
That's kind of weird.
You see what I'm saying?
It's kind of weird.
I feel like I'm not too far offthe mark on that, but that's I
mean.
Whatever I mean, maybe we don'thave an issue there.
That's with Verizon.
And then there was another one.
Check this out.
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And here's another article thatpopped up along the same lines
from our buddies at RCR Wireless.
Juan Pedro Tomas says Hughessecured a deal to deploy 5G ORAN
in Fort Bliss.
So now you've got Verizon doingit, now you've got Hughes doing
this, and there's someinformation happening with
Hughes.
If you know, they're anEchoStar company, so lots to
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talk about with those.
Know they're an EchoStarcompany, so lots, lots to talk
about with those guys.
It featured a RAN intelligentcontroller which will allow the
Department of Defense to testRAN intelligent controller-based
software applications formilitary networks.
And this is at Fort Bliss andit can serve for their valuation
purposes for their networksupporting the DoD and
commercial customers in andaround Fort Bliss.
And let's see it talks about,let's see it talks about, let's
see.
Did they talk about who theyuse?
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But look at this, look, here'sthe, here's the part, here's the
part ready under the terms ofthe deal, use will serve as the
prime contractor demonstrating,qualifying and integrating a ran
intelligent controller in thetest network, which will also
incorporate oran'sinfrastructure ready for this.
Engineering expertise in 5gspectrum from boost mobile, also
owned by EchoStar, boost Mobile.
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There they are again.
You've got this group, boostMobile.
We talked about them last week.
Boost is trying to figure out.
They say that they're ready toplay with the big three.
They say that they're ready tobe looked at as one of the big
mobile network operators in theUS and they're trying to make
their mark man.
They've got some Black Fridaydeals that are pretty stellar
and they're trying to make theirmark man.
They've got some Black Fridaydeals that are pretty stellar.
And so now Echo Star is puttingthis out using O-RAN and using
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the spectrum from Boost becausethey own a whole ton of CBRS,
right, and we'll talk about thatin a second.
They own a whole ton of CBRS.
So what are they doing Now?
They're using O-RAN with thatspectrum in these areas.
That's pretty neat, man Like.
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In these areas.
That's pretty neat, man, like Isaid, lots happening in there.
So the open RAN space, the openWi-Fi space, the open
networking space there's somepretty cool things that are
happening there.
Look, I'm going to scroll down.
What is going on in CBRS, I askmyself.
And so there's this article.
Check this out.
This is why Boost Mobile isn'tusing CBRS right now.
The company owns whoa niceadvertisement.
Here you go, good job, niceadvertisement there.
Fierce Wireless Monica, whoselast name I can't pronounce.
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She filed this article also onNovember 18th.
The company owns oodles of CBRSlicenses across the country,
but it's not using CBRS Spectrumfor the build out of its
national 5G network.
Boost is waiting to get clarityfrom the FCC.
So here's the deal they own.
Echostar bought all thespectrum.
Dish bought all the spectrum onthe CBRS spectrum and they've
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got stuff in 35365.
They have those allocated unitsthere, but they also own stuff
down in 3.4, right, and so theyspent a billion dollars.
Look at that.
Priority access licenses in2020, spending almost a billion
dollars to acquire 5,492licenses.
It's not using those licenses,which cover most of the US.
Why not?
We've not started with CBRS?
Boost Mobile CTO Eben Albertontold Fierce in a recent
interview.
This discussion with the FCC isfantastically timed.
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I think we should have time todiscuss this.
So now they're talking aboutpower changes and they're
talking about can they use morepower in the spectrum that they
own?
What happens if you open it upfrom 349 all the way up to 39?
So they're not doing anythingyet, but now they're doing all
these like they're popping uplittle things, like the steel
down in Fort Bliss.
So Boost Mobile is sitting onall this spectrum.
They're saying, hey, we cancompete with these big carriers.
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They're sitting on all thisspectrum.
What happens if they get this?
What happens if they get this?
Man, it could be pretty crazyfor Boost, but now you've got
Starlink beaming cell phone fromspace into your pocket.
What an interesting time, man.
Mobile World Congress this yearis gonna be kind of interesting.
I think there's a lot happeningthere.
So it's weird to watch what'shappening.
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The CBRS auction everythingwent up.
It's like, okay, it's done, butthere's always more to the
story and we're seeing more ofthe story come out over time,
especially with the way Boost isdoing it.
Now I'm not going to dig intowhat happened on the Dish
Network, echo Star, the DishNetwork and DirecTV merger.
That was supposed to happen.
It didn't is what happened.
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The merger failed, it didn't gothrough.
But now they're saying, well,it might come back up again,
they might do that again.
So what a time, what a time.
What a time.
What a time, golly.
So lots to talk about today,y'all Sorry.
Lots to talk about.
Lots of fun stuff happening.
I hope I still have yourattention.
Maybe I don't have yourattention.
You know what I haven't.
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It's been a while.
Let me check and see.
Sometimes I get littlenotifications.
They're like Drew, someone'strying to talk to you online and
sometimes they're not.
But let's see.
Let me jump on LinkedIn realquick.
That's usually where I get alot of people trying to chit
chat, reacting to the post.
Very good, oh look, I postedabout me changing jobs and lots
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of people have given me someserious kudos.
So that's always good to see,man.
It's always like.
It's always neat to see whenyour friends get excited for you
and they came out of thewoodwork on this one.
It's pretty neat.
Okay, three, I have threecomments somewhere.
I don't know how to watch my.
I don't know what's up.
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I gotta learn how to internet alittle bit better and then
maybe I could.
I'll be dming you soon, saysluis guzman.
Scott mcneil says I wish Icould make it.
Life has conspired to give mefor going.
Which frequency is starlinkrunning for backhaul?
So for backhaul, that's wherethey're doing.
They were testing out thelasers, the point-to-point
lasers, free space optics inspace, and I know it's like 1950
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, I think is what they're doingto communicate to Earth.
But I don't know what they'redoing on backhaul, not sure.
Anyway, okay, let's see whatelse we got.
What's new, what's new, what'snew, what's happening right now
Edition DirecTV fails for now,but we but we'll see what
happens over time.
Or it says ergan sweetenerwasn't sweet enough.
Hey, that dude still.
You know, I'll say it.
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I think I've said before he wasone of the nicest people I met.
Charlie ergan was a lot of funto hang out with, man.
I hung out with him one time inuh for you know, for a hot
minute, and he was just a just areally nice guy.
It was wisp america and it wasthis tiny little conference
where there were like 300, 200,300 people there and, dude, all
of a sudden, the you knowpresident of dish rolls in just
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to have conversations and justto hang out with us and that was
.
That was pretty awesome.
I don't know if he still doesthat or not, but it was pretty.
It was pretty neat.
Yep, so there was a lot thathappened with that merger, or
the, the failed merger, but sobe it.
Okay, let's talk about wi-fi.
My buddy, matt McPherson, wasquoted in a paper talking about
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5G and Wi-Fi coexistence andthat's pretty neat.
I love Matt.
Matt, if you're listening,hello, it's good to hear you,
good to read what you're saying.
Matt McPherson, the wirelessCTO at Cisco, is talking about
coexistence between 5G and Wi-Fiand that's so great and
refreshing to hear, because Ireally think that this isn't a
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one-size-fits-all.
This isn't a situation whereit's going to be one or the
other and there's a lot that thetwo can share, and I don't have
to beat that drum.
If you're listening to thispodcast, you're pretty aware of
what's happening in the industryand I don't think that there's
anyone who's actually in thewireless industry who's saying
it has to be one or the otherand if they are, you're
listening to the wrong podcast.
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You should tell all yourfriends about Waves.
Anyway, cisco has a ton ofexperience in the enterprise
Wi-Fi and it's selling a private5G solution.
So I haven't seen the Cisco 5Gsolution.
I haven't seen it.
I wish I could see it.
Matt, send me one, let's playwith it.
Is it O-RAN capable?
There's a good question for you.
I wonder if it is.
If it's Cisco, maybe not, butI'm curious if it is.
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So four people on his teamliterally wrote the book.
Oh yeah, here's the plug.
Right, I love it.
Nice.
Wi-fi 7 In-Depth If you haven'tdot com, there you go and you
can purchase it.
Wi-fi 7 In-Depth your guide tomastering Wi-Fi 7, the 802.11 BE
protocol and their deployment.
This is from Jerome Henry,brian Hart, benita Gupta and
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Malcolm Smith all fineindividuals who know how to
write a fantastic book.
So if you're looking for thenew hotness, you're looking for
a stocking stuffer for yourChristmas list.
This is the one that you wantto buy all your wireless nerd
friends out there.
Of course, free plug for JJ'swireless security book.
Make sure you want to buy thatone also.
Anyway, so Matt goes in and he'stalking about I lost my deal
here.
Matt goes in and he's talkingabout how the two can coexist
right and how they can live sideby side.
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He says we take an AirPrizeview Whoa, where'd it go?
There we go.
We take an enterprise view.
We know how enterprise managesnetworks.
We know how enterprises applypolicy to those networks.
We'll come up with a private 5Gsolution that allows you the
same tools.
And so this was cool.
This was like November 21st,right?
So November 21st, matt'stalking about how these two
things will go back and forth.
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And then look at this.
You ready?
Check out this article as itloads.
November 24th, november 26th,two days later, cisco taps
NTT-owned Transatel for instant5G airtime of global eSIMs.
Cisco is to use theFrance-based virtual network
operator Transatel, owned byJapanese outfit NTT, to provide
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enterprise customers without-of-the-box 4G and 5G
cellular connectivity on its owneSIM solution in 180 countries.
It will be embedded initiallyinto Cisco's infrastructure
solutions.
It said so now you've got a 5Gchip that's going in there that
works through Transatel and NTTto work native 5G out-of-the-box
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.
Cisco called it a game changerfor a variety of enterprise use
cases, such as on-demand SD-WAN,fast scaling native 5G out of
the box.
Cisco called it a game changerfor a variety of enterprise use
cases, such as on-demand SD-WAN,fast scaling for 5G carriers,
edge compute for IoT.
So it was really neat to seethose two things happen back to
back.
First you get Matt talkingabout hey man, they got to
coexist, they're going to livetogether, everything's going to
be happy.
And then it's all bam, two dayslater they're talking about
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implementing that chip.
Now, while I'm talking aboutCisco, let me quickly talk about
Mobility Field Day.
That happened last week.
It happened on Wednesday.
Cisco gave a really bang-uppresentation.
Now I wrote an article aboutwhere I think that that
component of the industry iscalled Mower Field Day MFD as
well.
You can find it on LinkedIn,but it compared what's happening
in the whole campus network asa service and the network as a
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service solutions that are outthere To me.
I was trying to explain networkas a service to someone.
I started talking aboutlawnmowers and then I just wrote
a whole article aboutlawnmowers as a service, mowing
as a service.
But if you want to talk aboutlawnmowers themselves, if you
want to talk about the hardwareand the components, cisco had a
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really cool presentation.
It was fun to watch.
First off, if you know me, youknow that that was my old team,
so seeing everybody up on stagewas really cool to see.
It was great to see those facesand to hear what they were
talking about, and they had acouple of enlightening moments
at Mobility Field Day and this.
This is so I'm riffing rightnow.
Right, this, I don't have anyof this written down, so let's
see what stood out to me.
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So let's see here.
The first thing oh my god, itwas curb is cisco ultra reliable
broadband, ultra reliablewireless broadband.
Curb, the fluid mesh stuff,dude, it's fluid mesh.
So the fluid mesh acquisitionhappened god, I don't even
remember when it happened and itwas like why is cisco going to
buy this mesh product?
What are they going to do withit?
Is it ever going to come tofruition?
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Are they going to do anythingneat?
And then they start busting outthese crazy iot devices, these
hardened devices that had curbon the back end.
Essentially, what curb did isthat's two radios, one to
basically one to transmit onedirection, one transmit another
direction so that it could dohandoff like on a train.
Think about like you're on atrain car, train's cruising down
the track and one radio iscommunicating with a pole and as
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you pass it, the other radio isalready locking up that link so
that the handoff is seamless upto hundreds of miles per hour.
This thing's working.
It's just handing off from oneto the other to the other,
creating that ultra-reliablesolution.
I have my own problems withtheir naming convention ultra
reliable.
I had a whole blog about thatfrom a bunch of years back, but
that's not the point.
The point is is that they havethe curb technology, which has
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always been great, and me, who'sdone some of these outdoor
municipal wireless networks?
And with the background inStrix, I don't know who raise
your hand.
If you remember Strix and theLego building blocks of access
points that we had, it was likewell, if you've got these two
radios, one transmitting hereand second building the link, or
maybe you've got onetransmitting north and one
transmitting south, why not putan AP on there and use that AP
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for access so I can communicateup with a tower or to my local
node beside me and then useWi-Fi to serve clients
underneath?
And so I remember at Cisco,when I first started, I was like
dude, how cool would it be toget all of that under one roof
and that's what they announced.
That's one of theirannouncements is that they're
going to bring the CURWB familyinto management right now on the
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Catalyst side, on the CatalystCenter side.
And then they said obviouslyquote unquote, rocky in the
future, if you will.
But it was really neat to seethem advancing into that
technology space.
They've got the products.
They just were managed bysomething completely different.
Now the architecture is alittle wonky, I'm not going to
lie, and they know this.
You got to pass the data allthe way back to an independent
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curb device and then from thereyou can kick it out to a switch.
And they explained all that andyou can watch the videos at
Mobility Field Day.
But it was really neat to seethat they're taking some of the
products that they have andthey're finally getting them all
in the same management andcontrol plane.
As Lee Badman famously said, thesingle glass of pain.
I wish I had the applausebutton for that, god.
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Speaking of Lee, it was so goodto just spend time with him.
Man, if you don't know LeeBadman, I'm equally parts happy
for you and extremely sad foryou.
He's someone that you shouldget to know and he's a hell of a
writer.
So just look up Wired Knot andyou can read some of the stuff
that he's written about WiredKnot, the things that he's
written in the wireless industry, anyway.
So they talked about that.
They talked about their newwi-fi 7 aps and then they spent
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a lot of time talking aboutultra, ultra wideband, uwb and
you know, the last series of apsthat they had had fine time
measurement integrated into itand it was a deal where, like
cisco, spaces is the thing thatthey use to to look at all of
the like, all the spaces, allthe environmental things that
are happening in the building.
And you go to cisco Live andthey've got the demo of using
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the wireless to control theblinds and control the doors and
control the lighting and thenwhen you integrate spaces into
the APs, then you can start tosee where people are and where
they spend their time and howmuch time they spend and dwell
time and you can control yourwhole space using this.
But it was always an addedlicense fee.
Well, now, with their Wi-Fi 7APs, that is actually included
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with their Wi-Fi 7 APs, that isactually included.
The license for Spaces isincluded with the purchase of
those APs, and to me that's abig old sign of the times, right
?
I think I posted about thissomewhere, about how now people
can finally get a chance torealize what that product is and
what it does.
And playing devil's advocate,is that because nobody bought
the licenses?
I wonder.
But I don't think so.
I don't think that was it atall.
I think it's a great productand, more than anything, the
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Spaces team has put so much workinto that that I'm so glad that
everybody gets to use Spacesnow.
Who buys a Wi-Fi 7 AP?
So I'm totally stoked for theSpaces team.
But using fine time measurement,that was a part of what the
Spaces license would give youwith the ability for the APs to
find each other.
Now, with ultra-wideband, theAPs can find themselves better.
Now what does that mean, right?
What does real-time locationservices and Wi-Fi mean?
It means that not only do yourdevices understand where they
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are and they're aware of wherethey are, but when you start to
think about the clients, theclient side of this, eric
McLaughlin did an incrediblepresentation last year or this
year at Wi-Fi Now, and I thinkhe did it at WBA as well, where
he talked about Intel's visionfor what spatial computing looks
like, or contextually awarecomputing looks like where you
go and you sit down at your deskand, based on where you are in
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the network, it automaticallylogs you in because, instead of
two-factor authentication ormulti-factor authentication,
part of that is you being in thepresence or your watch and your
phone being in the samepresence as your laptop and
understanding that that'ssomething that needs to happen
for some type of securityauthentication.
So when you think about whatultra-wideband brings to this,
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and then BLE 6 as well, and youthink about how all these phones
have the U2 chipset in them nowthat allows for ultra-wideband
native functionality on its ownchip.
It's what they use for AirPodsand AirTags.
It's what they use to do thelittle trilateration,
triangulation stuff.
If you think about what theimplications of contextually
aware computing can mean in thisday and age and what that can
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mean five years down the roadwith being able to identify
where compute resources arelocated and how to use those
resources in the time that thoseresources are needed, this goes
back to man, the book that'ssitting on my shelf by Matt Ball
.
Matthew Ball has a book calledthe Metaverse and it's
incredible to think about and Iwant to touch on it, because he
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talks about spatial computing inthe metaverse not spatial
computing, but contextuallyaware computing in that book,
where it's like if I'm sittingin this office that I'm in right
now right, and I need a wholebunch of resources to locally
run some type of AI generation,then why not use all of the
resources that are in thisoffice?
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I'm cleaning it out right now.
There's a bunch of junk layingaround, but from the stuff
that's plugged in, I've got anAlexa device, I've got a ham
radio, I've got two laptops,I've got a computer, I've got my
phone, I've got my watch, I'vegot all these other devices that
are plugged in that havecompute power that's available.
Why not use all of this computepower here right now to do what
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I need to do quicker, justbased on where I am?
And if I'm close to thebathroom or if I'm close to the
hallway and there's spatial,there's compute that's available
there then why not leveragethat to give me as much compute
power as I need where I need it,when I need it, and then, when
I walk away, go into energysaving mode, shut that stuff
down.
I don't need to use the compute.
Decrease my light bill decrease.
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Decrease my light bill,decrease the heat that's coming
off these devices as soon as Iwalk out the door.
Ultra-wideband gets us downinto that centimeter accuracy,
right Into inch and centimeteraccuracy of where devices are
and where people are and, byvirtue of that, where compute
needs to happen.
So if you think about that, ifyou think about what that means
that's why I got so excitedabout it it's like, oh, there's
a UWB chip inside the Wi-Fi 7 APNext we're going to talk about.
I was like, well, hold on,there's so much more to the
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story when it comes to real-timelocation services and
contextually aware compute thatUWB is going to enable, and so
kudos to the team for stickingthat in the access points.
I think that that's really neatand I'm glad that there's an
emphasis on it.
And when you talk about thepower to visualize and harness
all that and you look at theSpaces product, cisco's got a
pretty cool solution for allthose things that are going on
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there.
They talked about that.
They talked about their AIarchitecture, their AI RM.
They talked about what they cando in the cloud.
To take troubleshooting a stepfurther, minsei Kim, one of my
favorite people at Cisco, minseitalked about, he even tweeted.
He talked about taking Radiusand getting or not Radius.
Taking Syslog and dumpingSyslog.
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And this is like the Syslog ofthe future, where you don't
actually have to look at the logfile.
You can use their product to gothrough and analyze everything
that's going on to get you theresults that you need about the
network that you're working on.
And then the next step is thatautomation component.
The other presenter at MobilityField and I appreciate y'all
listening to me if you're stilllistening to me, it's a lot of
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fun 45 minutes in and I can'tshut up.
It's been a fun week, man.
Then you talk about Nile, right, and this is where I talked
about the lawnmower thing.
You know I've covered Meter inthe past and we were out at the
Meter event and we knew Nile wascoming up.
And if you go back and look atthe history of Nile and how it
came about, it's a fun journeyto watch.
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And Suresh was there and socool to have him as a presenter,
by the way so dope.
We could have talked for hoursand hours and hours about what
they're doing and I think it'sreally neat.
But they represent one extremeright, in my opinion, and the
extreme that they representisn't a bad thing, and I think
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that a lot of what's happeningwith Nile and with Meter and
Campus Network as a Service andNetwork as a Service, it all
goes to the same thing that I'mthinking to the reason I jumped
on the team that I did, as I'mlooking at everything it's going
, you know, are we finally at aplace where people are willing
to and comfortable enough to payfor a solution that is going to
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work the way that they want itto work and then that's it?
They don't care about channelsize, they don't care about
channel width, they don't careabout frequency, none of that
stuff.
The people like you guys thatare listening to this y'all you
know gals and guys that arelistening to this y'all are the
ones who appreciate the minutiawhen it comes to it.
Y'all are the ones whoappreciate the minutia when it
comes to it.
But a lot of that stuff arethings that can be automatically
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delegated, changed,resource-conscious,
resource-aware, can bemanipulated and modified by a
system, by a radio, by anorchestration server, whatever
it is, to facilitate a betterconnection.
So if we can do that and we candemonstrate that that works
well, are we at a point wherethings like Campus Network as a
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Service is actually viable, andone of my favorite questions
that I asked all my questionsare my favorite questions.
Lee had some good questions too,though, and Scott I love
listening to McDermott ask hisquestions too.
It was always fun, but thething that I asked Suresh was
like, what's stopping now fromtaking over the world?
What's holding this back?
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What's holding Campus Networkas a service back?
And the answer was blunt.
It was people, right, it waspeople who just don't want to
change the way that they dothings, don't want to change the
way that they do things, andthat kicked off this whole
conversation about how, you know, are we at that point in our
careers where we're comfortableletting go?
We're comfortable letting go ofthe reins and letting the quote
(44:56):
, unquote the computer do allthe work for us?
And if we are, what does thatoutcome look like for us in the
next couple of years?
What are we going to spend ourtime doing?
And I get it, it's hard to letgo, and I use the self-driving
car analogy.
I remember when I first satdown in a Tesla and I put on
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full self-driving, I was soscared I would keep my hands
right near the wheel just incase, like, oh God, I hope it
doesn't wreck.
You know what I mean.
And then two weeks ago, threeweeks ago I got in a car that
was doing full self-driving fromhere to Corpus Christi, three
hours away, and it drove thewhole way and it was comfortable
and it was convenient and itworked the way that it was
supposed to.
And, yeah, there's littlethings.
It would get kind ofherky-jerky going around a
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corner in a parking lot orwhatever.
There's little things.
But we're at this point nowwhere it's gotten so much better
than it was before.
Are we there with networking yet?
Are we at a point where peopleare willing to say, hey, you
know what, set it and forget it?
Almost right, set it up and letit do its thing, and if it's
not broken then we don't need toworry about it.
Let's focus on the big things.
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Have we finally turned thecorner on spending more time
working on devices to make surethat they work and then doing
the troubleshooting, where wehave a lot of troubleshooting
that goes into it?
Are we finally at a point whereit's like set it up and spend a
little amount of time onlytroubleshooting the really,
really tough stuff, which, again, the little tough things are
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the ones that take up all thetime.
Right, it's those snowflakes,they're all snowflakes.
As Suresh said, there's allthese little snowflakes on
networks or of networks thatconsume all of our time and our
energy.
But are we at a point where wecan get rid of the mundane tasks
and get rid of that stuff?
And I think that that's whenyou talk about the future of
networking.
Niall again represented to me.
They represent that far side ofit where it's like here's the
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option where you just cut acheck and everything works the
way it's supposed to.
Now there was some back andforth about if that's viable or
not, but at the end of the day,we're getting there because
there's people pushing theenvelope.
Right, I just came to work at acompany that I take stuff out
of a box and I plug it in and Ihaven't deployed it yet in my
house.
Right, honestly, because I wantmy wife to do it.
My wife is one of the mostbrilliant people that I know and
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she has very little patiencefor technology.
It's just supposed to work.
So I want her to deploy it so Ican get her opinion right.
So are we at a place where youcan just take stuff out of the
box and deploy it and then gookay, it's working, it's great,
walk away, don't have to worryabout it.
That's the promise, right?
That quality of experience froma deployment and administration
side, not just the user side,but the experience of being able
to set up networks and walkaway from them.
I think that's where I look atNile and Nile is the assistant
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in that, they're the hand holder, in that where they say, yeah,
you can do that and we've gotyour back should something
happen.
I think it's cool.
And then the whole meterconversation, right, and then
the whole meter conversation,right.
So, anyway, that was MobilityField Day in a nutshell.
Those are my feelings on whatwas happening there.
One of the things I touched onwhen I was talking about that is
something that came up in letme see if I can find it.
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There was an article that wastalking about Broadcom and Wi-Fi
7 and Wi-Fi 8.
So the last thing that I wantedto cover on here is this is an
article that was published onlet's see by Broadcom and RCR
News.
Sponsored Drew's reading.
Sponsored messages.
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Broadcom demonstrated the powerof 320 megahertz channels live
last May at the Dynamic SpectrumAlliance Summit in Geneva.
Now the reason I thought thatthis was fascinating and I asked
Eric from Intel, who's quotedin here.
I reached out to him onLinkedIn, so if you know Eric,
say hey, you should totally talkto Drew.
I want 15, 20 minutes of histime because he's quoted in here
talking about the number ofdevices that are supporting 320
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megahertz.
When it comes to personalcomputing devices, such as
notebooks, desktops and tablets,intel recently found that, of
the 269 models on the market,87% support 320 megahertz, while
just 13% only support 160.
The company further reportedthat Wi-Fi 7 has ramped 2.3
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times faster than Wi-Fi 6C oneyear after the Wi-Fi Alliance
certification.
And so Eric's in here talkingabout support for 360 megahertz
in the 6 gigahertz band.
Man, you know we still fight for20 and 40 megahertz, right?
But 320, is 320 going to be thenorm?
And it looks like, if there'ssupport there, is this what's
going to ship out of the box?
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And for residential?
You know, I don't know.
I got to go look at the specsof what Eero's doing, right?
I don't know.
Is it out of the box 320 onWi-Fi 7?
I don't know how it turned onyet, don't tell my boss.
But is it 320 out of the box?
And if so, cool, let's see itwork.
You know what I mean.
But in enterprise, is thatreally the deal?
Are we going to see enterpriseaccess points that come out of
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the box at 320 megahertz?
Because that just gives me theheebie-jeebies man.
It just seems like that's nuts,because in a presentation that
Cisco did when we were talkingabout this at Mobility Field Day
, this is just like going backto 802.11.
Even with all the magicalspectrum that's out there now
you're down to three channels.
You've got six channels tochoose from, three usable
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channels and 320 megahertz.
So I'm curious if anyone'sdeploying 320 megahertz channels
.
I'm going to turn it on, I'mgoing to see how well it works
and, again, I'm in an enclosedenvironment here in my house, so
not a big deal, but I'm curiousas to what 320 megahertz
channels look like in theenterprise.
That was a lot, and if youstayed the whole time, I
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appreciate you.
Anyway, that's what I got goingon, man, lots on my mind and
lots happening.
I hope that you all are havingas wonderful of a year as I am.
If you want to talk about whatI'm doing at Eero and you want
to get hands-on with some of thegear.
You want to understand a littlebit more about Eero, please let
me know, because I'm trulyexcited about it.
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I've got a fun background inmesh networking and this is the
the next iteration of that andit's really neat to see.
So if you have any questionsabout what I'm doing, reach out.
Otherwise, yeah, man,reinvent's coming up next week
and then I might be out in theBay Area in second week in
December.
So if I'm out there in SanFrancisco and you want to say hi
or grab a drink, I'll postsomething online and we can go
(51:01):
grab a coffee or a beer orsomething.
And otherwise, if you're goingto be at CES, drop me a line.
I'll meet you guys out at CESand we'll go have a grand old
time.
Yeah, man, it's great to talk toall you.
I hope you enjoyed theinterview last week with Mario
from Helium.
That's got some really neatstuff that's happening there.
If you want to learn a littlebit about anything else and you
have someone you want me tointerview, please drop me a
(51:23):
message or do an introduction.
If you think there's someonegood that you want to hear on
the show, I'll be happy to talkto them.
I'm loving learning as much asI am, so it's really cool.
Anyway, all right.
Well, if you're in the States,happy Thanksgiving.
If you're not in the States,happy Thanksgiving from all of
us here in the States, but Ihope you all have a tremendous
week this week.
Thanks for listening to theWaves Podcast.
We're still getting tons ofdownloads and I really, really
(51:44):
do appreciate them.
My wife still owes me a trip toMexico that she has not allowed
me to cash in on yet, so maybesomeday, honey, if you're
listening, you'll follow throughwith your promise to take me to
Mexico if I get more than 1,000subs on YouTube, which I do
have like 1,000 and a half 1,600, something like that.
So if you like what you see,drop me a message.
If you don't like what you see,drop me a message.
Also, I'd rather hear the badthan the good.
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