May 2, 2025 • 38 mins
The Wi-Fi Now Conference in Mountain View showcased innovations in wireless technology while revealing insights about Wi-Fi 7's enterprise adoption challenges. AT&T's partnership with Helium Network for Wi-Fi offload utilizing Hotspot 2.0 and Passpoint technology marks a significant advancement in carrier-independent network collaboration.
• Helium Network and AT&T partnering to provide Wi-Fi offload for AT&T customers using quality metrics to monitor connection performance
• Helium serving over 700,000 users daily across 90,000 hotspots with major carrier partnerships expanding
• Google Fi launching a $35/month unlimited plan with 30GB high-speed data, competing with innovative free services like Helium Zero
• Wi-Fi delivering 10x the data volume of cellular networks according to Intel's research at Wi-Fi Now
• 6GHz spectrum remains underutilized despite growing device support with over 950 Wi-Fi 7 device models now supporting it
• Aruba CTO suggesting Wi-Fi 7's features are more suited for home applications than enterprise environments
• Sidos Wave demonstrating completely wireless site survey capabilities via Bluetooth to iPhone
• Project Kuiper launching first 27 satellites as Amazon enters the LEO satellite internet competition
• Nokia developing real-time digital twin robots for warehouse management with potential wireless applications
• Vatican City implementing sophisticated RF security measures to protect conclave communications
Check out upcoming industry events: Mobility Field Day in 5 days, WLPC Prague in October, WLPC Spain September 12-16, WBA World Congress in Dallas, and Cisco Live in San Diego.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, well, well, here we go.
What's up everybody?
How's it going?
It's nice to see the camera andthe lights and all this
beautiful stuff behind us.
Uh-oh, I'm broadcasting myself.
You know it happens sometimes,so I've got a temporary setup
going on right now and, as youcan see from the wonderful
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non-decorative artwork orwhatnot behind me, this is
actually I'm in one of thosefancy San Francisco startups.
I'm on the third floor here atEero Headquarters, eero HQ.
As you guys know, I've got aday job and have a fantastic
time playing with presidentialWi-Fi here with the wonderful
company Eero, and so I was heretoday.
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I'm out here in San Franciscoand, of course, right as soon as
I start going, they'revacuuming.
I thought it was a lawnmoweroutside, but they're vacuuming
right on top of me, so I hopethat that's not too loud or
distracting.
Either way, I'm here.
I'm in San Francisco, came outhere for the weekend, went to
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Wi-Fi Now Got to spend some timewith the crew over at Wi-Fi.
Now it's pretty loud.
I'll wait just a minute hereSee if that goes away.
I'm waiting for Mark to join.
Mark Houts always joins first,right?
Maybe he'll tell me if he canhear the vacuum.
There we go.
The vacuum is off, fantastic,anyway.
So, as I mentioned, I'm outhere in San Francisco, caddy
Corn of the San Francisco Giantsballpark they're playing a game
right now.
I thought I might do that fordinner.
Maybe I'll cruise by halfwaythrough, get a discount ticket,
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eat a hot dog, enjoy my dinnerand my time out here.
Anyway, salesforce Tower rightbehind me, nice little scenery,
beautiful weather, typical SanFrancisco weather.
Anyway, this is the Wavepodcast.
What's new, what's now, what'snext, what's happening?
Got a little mic attached here,got my screen there, oh, and
the man of the hour, mr Frenet,has joined.
I'm glad, and I've got like acool light too, so it looks
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pretty good, man, I'm veryexcited.
Anyway, lots going on, lots totalk about.
This week, Wi-Fi Now was Monday,tuesday, wednesday co-located
with the Open Wi-Fi event andthe Summit and the Halo Summit,
and so there was all this crazystuff happening and I got a
chance to go out and spend timewith the crew over there at
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Wi-Fi Now.
Klaus, always, thank you, Iappreciate you inviting me and I
appreciate getting to hang outwith everyone.
It's like a reunion when youwalk into Wi-Fi Now.
So what was really differentabout this?
Is it appealed to the innernerd in me because it was at the
computer history museum inMountain View, and if you've
never been to the computerhistory museum in Mountain View,
it's the old SGI building.
So Silicon graphics Um, yeah,man, it was.
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Uh, it was neat to be in thatroom and imagine all the things
that took place there.
So that was pretty cool.
We got to see some innovativeproducts and I'll talk about
those in just a little bit, butfor now I want to jump into some
of the things I've been readingacross the week in the spirit
of what's new, what's now andwhat's next.
Let's see what we got here.
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I've got a little screen goingright there where you can see
some of the notes that I'm goingto get into in just a second
here.
But I actually want to startwith something a little bit
different.
We're going to start over herebecause Helium not only is a
wonderful sponsor of the show,so we appreciate the Helium
Network, everything that they dofor us.
If you don't know much aboutHelium, visit Heliumcom.
You can learn all aboutbecoming part of the Helium
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network.
It is insane the statisticsthat they put up about what
they're doing.
And now they announced theirAT&T partnership for Wi-Fi
offload.
So if you have a phone that'san AT&T phone, or one of their
MVNOs even, and you come withinrange of a Helium network,
you'll automatically beoffloaded, and this is utilizing
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Hotspot 2.0, utilizingPasspoint to make this happen,
which is tremendous.
Mario DiDio, our good friendMario, did a wonderful
presentation about this at Wi-FiNow and it was really cool.
There's some statistics thatthey talk about here.
I think 2.3 million subscribersjust in Telefónica's mobile
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flagship carrier in Mexico isbringing Helium to their 2.3
million subscribers in additionto AT&T.
And what they're doing thequote here is AT&T and Helium
are leading the way in settingWi-Fi quality metrics.
Now this is really neat.
One of the things that welearned about at Wi-Fi Now was
what they're doing with theseactual metrics.
What they're doing is they'retaking the network quality and
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they're shipping it back up toAT&T so that AT&T can monitor
and measure the quality of thenetwork connection using an
assurance metric.
That's part of WBA, and so thisis something.
Stuart Strickland, the CTO fromAruba, stood up and was like,
right with applause for whatHelium's doing, because this is
a metric that basically sayswhen the device goes to attach
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to the network, when the Wi-Fidevice goes to attach to the
Wi-Fi network, it sends up anassurance metric to say, hey,
this is what the network's doing, this is how well it's working,
and now you can take that dataand you can push it northbound
to the carrier so that thecarrier knows it's a quality
Wi-Fi connection.
Why is this important?
It's important because if AT&Tis trusting Helium, the Helium
network, to do Wi-Fi offload,at&t doesn't want their
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customers to have a poor qualityof experience if they're
connected to Helium, and theonly way to ensure that is
either to put out a sensor or tobuild the network themselves,
or monitor the network or usethis assurance metric that's
provided as part of what WBA isdoing.
So it's really really neat tosee how this is going back and
forth and how the carriers cannow leverage the Helium network
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to identify where their networkis working, where it's not
working.
So there's a lot to be saidhere and it's really neat to
know that AT&T is getting behindthis.
So kudos to the team over thereat Helium doing some fantastic
work.
It's really neat to see andit's great to be a part of that,
and I'm proud that they sponsorthe show.
It's such a cool thing.
So more than 600,000 users aday.
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This, actually I know thenumber I think is above 700,000
users per day across 90,000hotspots that Helium is working
with.
So that is awesome.
Congrats to AT&T for makingthat happen and congrats to
Helium for having that all mixedIn.
Other news, alongside this,google Fi, which also has this
whole Passpoint thing going onif you've ever used their
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product, is it Orion?
I think it's called Orion,their Wi-Fi offload product.
Anyway, if you've ever lookedat that product or used that
product, now Google Fi islaunching a $35 a month
unlimited plan.
Now Google Fi tried to get.
Google tried to get into thecarrier game or the M&O game a
while back, and you can use thisin MBO.
This one is a $35 per month forone line.
It's the most affordable plan.
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It features 30 gig ofhigh-speed data.
As part of the change, it'srenaming its Simply Unlimited
plan to Unlimited Standard,which still costs $50 a month
for one line, and also offers upto 50 gig of high-speed data
instead of 35.
The Unlimited Standard plan nowis 25 gig of high-speed data
tethering to 5 gig too.
Now let me load something uphere, because I thought that
this was pretty awesome If youwant to do something neat, and
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I've talked about this before.
Um, if you want to do somethingneat and I've talked about this
before and people have asked meabout it there's something
called helium zero, that, if youdon't want to spend any money
on a mobile plan, this is theonly carrier that offers a
completely free plan, and sopart of this I want to bring it
up, because we're talking aboutmoney and whatnot Um, what you
do is you activate it as an eSIMon your phone.
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So if you already have anexisting carrier, you can
activate it as a second deviceon there.
You activate it as an eSIM andit doesn't cost anything.
It's 3 gig a month.
And what you do?
Oh, there's three, starting atfree.
Choose zero with 3 gig a day,data level or up to air with 10
gig.
Oh, the lights just went out onme while I'm sitting.
Whoa, it's got a wholedifferent vibe now.
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There's a motion detector thatdidn't get triggered.
Whatever, we're just going toroll with it.
Anyway, zero contracts bringyour device, this one, the three
gig per month, they have anunlimited one as well, but the
free one, the one that'scompletely free, it doesn't cost
anything to set up, and onceyou set it up and you get going
with it, what happens is, aslong as you have your uh, your
location services turned on, youearn credits for this.
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So it's 100 minutes of voice amonth on 300 texts, but in a
pinch, it's kind of cool.
Monthly price zero.
There's your broadband fat card.
I think I've got that screenbeing shared.
Fantastic.
You can see your broadband fatcard.
You can see what it does on theair one.
It shows it's $15 a month.
Infinity is $30 a month.
So even though google fi isbusting out that $35 per month
thing, this one is $0.
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No, dude.
So free.99.
Dude, it's crazy.
I've had it running on my phone.
Now I'm running it on a OnePlus12.
Oneplus is the name of thephone and I'm running it on
OnePlus 12.
And it's working phenomenally.
It works really well, just whenI need it.
Good enough to handle one of mykiddos so that they can play
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some games, anyway.
So Google Fi is trying to matchthat, getting down to $35 a
month.
Fantastic, happy to see it.
Let's race to the bottom.
Let's make these plans aseconomically feasible as
possible for everybody thatneeds them.
Anyway, let's see.
What else do we have going onhere.
Nokia, this is interesting.
So yeah, just a quick mention,since it's a pop-up.
Broadband Nation Expo has acall for speakers November 17th
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through 19th.
I don't know what that's about,but it's a pop-up, so might as
well talk about them.
Nokia Bell Labs gets real withreal-time digital twin robots
for warehouses.
So time digital twin robots forwarehouses.
So, dude, we've all talkedabout this.
Like everybody who does a sitesurvey has talked about this.
How do we leverage robotics anddrones and whatnot to do
digital twins and to do imageryof warehouses or facilities or
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whatever it is?
So Nokia Bell Lab showed off adynamic digital twin during its
hundred year celebration.
It shows how warehouse managerscould remotely make changes to
the warehouse floor using robots, and so it's a demo with 10
boxes on three shelves.
The system reflects inventorymovements in real time.
A robot was used to move boxes.
The digital twin instantlyupdated to mirror those changes.
So something just to be saidfor the fact that these are
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things that we've all talkedabout, things that we've all
dreamed about using robotics todo surveys.
So now, if they've got a robotthat does that digital twin,
throw another sensor on there.
There's lots of really coolsensors out there, and one of
them we'll be talking about in alittle bit, because now you
have the ability to do awireless site survey without
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having a wire tethered to aphone or to a tablet.
Pretty cool.
Net zero is back, I love it.
So this was a fascinatingarticle to be moving on.
Detected safeguards safeguardsthe conclave's secrecy.
So there's a lot of stuffthat's going on in Vatican right
now and they're getting thewhole conclave together to see
if they can get a new pope putin place.
And I hadn't thought about theamount of data security that's
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necessary for this.
And it's like you know, it'sone thing.
They put the special film overwindows so people can't see in.
Then they close the.
You know, if you watch the showon Netflix, right, they close
the windows so there's nophotography.
You know any of that stuff.
I hadn't thought about the RFimplications and you would hate
to think that people are that.
I don't want to say sinister orweird, but you know that they
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would actually go through thepaces to extract data about who
the next Pope is going to be andsending and receiving data
wirelessly.
But, dude, you know what?
You never know, man.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know how many cardinalshave a flipper, you know, but
they talk about jammers and thethings that they're doing in
here.
Um, the vatican, vatican city,faces unprecedented sorry,
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unprecedented technologicalchallenges compared to other
conclaves artificialintelligence systems, drones,
military satellites, microscopicmicrophones, misinformation,
epidemics, a world permanentlyconnected and informed through
social media.
And so it talks about some ofthe signal jammers that they're
using, the device checks thatthey do.
They basically turn it into anelectronic bunker and make sure
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that everything is locked in.
So you've got privacy film.
This is interesting.
Contemporary satellites arecapable of taking pictures of
people's faces from space, whileAI can interpret lip movement.
Dude, I hadn't even thoughtabout that.
I guess it's a big deal.
I mean, it's kind of like apretty big election.
But how do you get word to thecardinals?
I don't know, man, but I hadn'tthought about this.
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Vatican City it's notorious forhaving all the cameras it does,
and in this article it talksabout 650 cameras monitoring
streets from an undergroundcommand center.
Vatican City functions as aconventional.
They have their own policeforce, they've got like their
Swiss Guard.
They have all this stuff, but200,000 people are going to be
expected to be in the city whilethey wait for the color of the
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smoke to change and with thatman there's some serious
security that needs to takeplace.
I haven't thought about that,so I wanted to share that with
y'all.
I thought that was fascinating.
Amdocs is getting out of theSaaS business for CBRS.
I just popped this up because Iknow CBRS.
There's a lot of stuff that'sgoing on there and now there's a
new frequency space that'scoming about 37 gigahertz, so 37
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to 37.2 gig, and they'retalking about a SaaS for that as
well.
But right now you have to go inand you have to set the
frequencies and channel plan andchannel coordinate yourself.
Like, how do you even do that?
Who else is using 37 gig?
I've never used 37 gig, butapparently there's a spectrum
out there in 37 gig that mightend up in a SAS.
So it's fascinating for me tosee that someone's moving out of
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it.
You know, I don't know who elseis still doing CBRS SaaS.
I know I've used Federated,I've used Google.
I think there's a couple otherones that are out there that are
doing it.
But Ambox is proud to havesupported the early success of
CBRS and now they're out.
Is that a sign of the times?
Is CBRS failing because Amboxis bailing.
I guess I won't be tailing orsailing.
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Maybe mailing I'm about topeanut.
Anyway, terrible joke there.
What's that movie man?
The Princess Bride.
Anyway, speaking of what'shappening in CBRS 5G, private 5G
and whatnot, dell is announcinga partnership with Nokia For
private wireless at theenterprise edge.
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So they're talking aboutprivate 5G and private 4G and
how that compares.
You know there's a lot that'smoving on in that space, but I
think that this week at Wi-FiNow, I heard I think it was
Stuart Strickland from Aruba whotalked about why enterprise
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private 5G and private 4G hasnot taken off, and I never
thought about it in the way thathe presented it.
He said you have carriers thatit's always been presented by
carriers who are trying to gointo the enterprise space to get
the enterprises to buysomething from the carriers and
tell them that they need it, toget the enterprises to buy
something from the carriers andtelling them that they need it.
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But you've never had groupsthat are enterprise Wi-Fi or
wireless providers, enterpriseservice providers, going to the
customers and telling them whatthey need and giving them a
solution that doesn't involvethe carrier and that seems to be
more of what enterprises arelooking for.
They're trying to get away fromthe carrier side.
So why would they want to buysomething else from the carrier?
And maybe that's why the salescycle hasn't worked the way that
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it's supposed to with private4G and 5G.
I don't know.
I don't know if there's anytruth to that, but I hadn't
heard about it like that andthought about how, why would you
buy from the carrier if they'rethe ones that you're trying to
get away from?
That totally makes sense.
Stuart's a pretty smart guy,man.
He also said some prettydisruptive stuff on stage.
It's gotten a lot of commentsand a lot of feedback.
He popped off and he said well,you know, I'll talk about that
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in a second.
We talk about Wi-Fi now.
Anyway, what else we got goingon?
So Dell's getting into it there.
Tp-link look at this man, thisis a new one.
Tp-link facing US criminalantitrust probes.
Man, there's just, you know, itjust keeps going and going and
going with these guys.
So TP link uh, not having agood time in the courts.
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Here's the thing about 37 gig.
There's a lot, dude.
There's a lot happening at theFCC.
My friend Tom Luke's a.
I ran into him on the airplane.
He was on his way to go testifyat the FCC to talk about, um,
the contributions that um thevoice providers are making and
how there's some of thatchanging.
It was a fascinatingconversation on a topic that I
really don't know anything about, so I invited him to be a part
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of the podcast pretty soon.
I want Tom to come in and giveus his opinion on what he's
doing in that space and what'sgoing on with telcos and with
voice services, specificallywith the FCC and right now, how
everything's changing.
I would love for him to come onand have that conversation with
us.
So, tom, if you're listening,yes, that invite's still good.
That wasn't just something Isaid on the plane.
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I found it fascinating.
Plus, I want to know what it'slike to sit in front of the FCC
and have these conversations.
Were you accepted well?
Were they happy to see youthere?
Did it follow in deaf ears?
I'm curious to see what wasgoing on there.
So, speaking of FCC frameworkfor lower 37 gigahertz band,
this is pretty interesting.
Right 37 to 37.6 shared bygovernment commercial entities.
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There's no real clear rules onsharing it, and so they said
they're going to establish thenew licensing framework, open up
600 megahertz of spectrum inthat space.
It prioritizes the militaryusing it and once you set it up
you have to use it within.
You have to start operationswithin one year of registering
your site and then you have tofigure out how to coordinate
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sites on an individual basis andthen register those sites.
So I don't even know what thatmeans.
But there's not a SaaS involved, so good luck with that.
In other news, speaking of funstuff so excited Amazon's
Project Kuiper 27 satellites arefloating around Earth right now
on the first LEO constellationfor Kuiper.
Congratulations to the team atKuiper for getting that done.
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That's so awesome.
It's great to have even anotherLEO operator that's out there.
So there's a lot to come fromKuiper.
It's going to be really neat tosee some competition in that
marketplace.
You know Starlink has a littlebit of a head start there.
But here we go, man.
It's pretty neat.
What a fun time to be alive tothink about what can be done
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using low-Earth orbitingsatellites.
It's pretty neat.
At this rate, it looks unlikelythat Kuiper will meet the FCC's
deadline of having over 1,600satellites in orbit by the
summer of 2026.
You never know.
In all, kuiper is supposed tolaunch 3,236.
And that's a lot, man.
That's a lot of satellites thatare going up there.
Amazon says it's secured enoughcapacity to launch most of its
constellation, with 80 launchessecured from Aeron Space, blue
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Origin, spacex and the ULA.
So this one was popped up byULA, so kind of cool.
Congratulations to the teamover at Kuiper.
It's pretty awesome.
I can't wait to start playingwith those terminals and see
what they do.
You know I'm a tech nerd beforeanything, so I can't wait to
get my hands on anything that'snew and out there.
Exciting times.
Now, if you don't know Susinder,I hope that you would follow
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him on LinkedIn because he issuch a wealth of information and
knowledge and such a fun personto read his posts and he had
some great coverage from Wi-FiNow.
So let's talk about Wi-Fi Now.
Wi-fi Now World Congresshappened this past week and the
next one is coming up in Dubaiand it's produced by Wi-Fi Now
World Congress happened thispast week and the next one is
coming up in Dubai and it'sproduced by Wi-Fi Now Events.
Klaus Heading and the team overat Wi-Fi Now put this thing
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together and they do atremendous job.
It's a really great mix of newand upcoming vendors, people
that you probably haven't heardbefore, mixed with people that
you know a whole lot about, andthen you get updates from some
of the top minds in the industryand it's such a cool show to go
to because you know number oneyou're going to run into friends
, you're going to run intopeople that you may not know,
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that you would love to meet, andyou're going to run into people
that are absolute experts inwhat we're doing and what our
wireless world revolves around.
So I zoomed in on this pagereal quick because Eric
McLaughlin is one of my favoritepeople to listen to, especially
at Wi-Fi.
Now he comes in and he bringsthe update from Intel on what
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the rate of adoption is forchipsets or where they're being
deployed or what Intel isworking on next, and he had some
really interesting notes.
This time Wi-Fi it says he'sdelivering 10x the data going
over cellular.
So Wi-Fi is still the king ofthe hill when it comes to
communications on mobile devices10x over cellular.
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Six gig is a major asset toWi-Fi.
It needs to be used to thefullest extent.
It's not right now.
And there were some sharp words,some sharp comments from Stuart
Strickland, the CTO at Aruba.
He said two things that piquedmy mind One.
He said something that wasvalidated by other people in the
industry.
Let me start with that.
And he said from a Wi-Fi 7perspective or an enterprise
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perspective, wi-fi 7 doesn'toffer many features that make it
a logical upgrade in the nextiteration of Wi-Fi.
But then the reason why isbecause the feature sets that
are in Wi-Fi 7 are more gearedtowards home Wi-Fi routers, home
Wi-Fi internet access, thingslike that.
And that's an importantcall-out, because it wasn't him
just saying don't buy Wi-Fi 7.
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It was him saying look, ifyou're in enterprise and you're
running 6E right now, 6 or 6E 7sof feature set, of course
there's some cool stuff in there, but 320 megahertz channels,
for example, are something thathe said he doesn't ever imagine
an enterprise adopting or using.
Now I don't know how much Iagree with that, because we
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don't know what the future isgoing to hold and what
applications and things are outthere.
It's important to note that theday before there were a lot of
people talking about VR and ARand all this other stuff,
because they were in the contextof how much data they're going
to be consuming.
So, 320 megahertz maybe, butmore in the home than in the
enterprise.
So I'm not agreeing ordisagreeing, I'm just saying wow
, to hear someone stand up andtalk about that was pretty
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fascinating.
And so 6 gigs still completelyunderutilized.
It looks like Intel's on theirthird chip.
Now Adoption of 6GHz in PCs ispicking up momentum
significantly.
He has a chart here that I can'tzoom in on, man.
I wish I could because I'd loveto see.
There we go.
Let's see 6GHz Wi-Fi 7 chipset77%.
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I don't have the context overit.
Over 950 Wi-Fi 7 device modelswith 6 gig support were
identified.
That's awesome.
But you can see the breakdownin 6 gig Wi-Fi 7 PC320.
I don't know what the chartmeans, man, but Eric did a
fantastic job presenting and youcan look for his stuff.
I'm not sure if it's all goingto be posted, but he'll also be
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at the WBA show that's coming upin Dallas next month.
So if you want to hear fromEric, make sure you show up for
that.
Devices with 320 megahertzbandwidth support are coming, so
really neat that it's coming.
Right now I only have a devicethat does 160 megahertz, so I am
looking forward to that.
I'm looking forward tosomething more.
So what else can we talk about?
That's a lot, man.
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I know it's a lot and I'mtrying to talk fast and make
sure I'm making the best use ofyour time.
So I appreciate it if you'rewatching For Neha Mark.
It's always good to see youguys on here.
But also I appreciate youlistening.
I love that we've got theviewership that we do and the
people that are listening.
I love being in your eartalking about this.
As I mentioned last week, I wasdriving down the road thinking,
man, I just wish I could listento something to prepare me for
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my podcast.
I guess I'll just talk throughthe podcast.
Anyway, I wasn't expecting tosee the innovation that I saw at
Wi-Fi Now and I don't mean thatin a negative way, it's just
Wi-Fi Now is usually a meetingof the minds, the corporate
types, the people that aretrying to advance their
companies and whatnot.
I wasn't expecting to see newhardware or use new hardware or
see new features on hardware oruse new hardware or see new
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features on hardware.
But I did.
There is some really cool stuffthat's coming.
May 15th and 14 days is theofficial launch of it.
Netally has a new product thatI would keep your eyes open for.
It's really, really cool and itdoes some stuff.
It's an update to one of theirolder products and it's really
really neat to look at and see.
I got to see it and use it.
It's a great little piece ofkit, so, looking forward to that
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, we'll be probably giving oneaway.
Hopefully Maybe not today, butwe'll be giving one away soon.
Don't worry, I do want to do agiveaway today, but we'll see
where that goes.
And then the other and Frenetjust popped up talked about
Wi-Fi.
Halo, yeah, halo was there.
Open Wi-Fi had a really coolshowing, a great showing as a
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matter of fact, for the OpenWi-Fi Summit.
I got to run into some of myold MetaMates.
My old boss was there.
That was pretty cool man, um,that was neat.
I didn't go to the Halo one daything, so I'm not sure what was
there.
But Morse Micro had a reallystrong showing, which was great
to see new tech.
But Frenet, myself and EvaSantos Eva was there, I love Eva
we got a little reunionhappening and we got to see and
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get hands-on with something thatI'm going to cut a video and
send it out for.
And we got to use a CEDOS Waveconnected to an iPhone
wirelessly Bluetooth from theCEDOS Wave to the iPhone.
I watched Rene do a survey withno wires.
He did a wireless wireless sitesurvey and that was tremendous
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to me because it felt so native.
It felt like that's the waythat things should always be.
If someone who's lost a bunchof data you know when something
resets or unplugs or whatever itis.
This is like crazy.
It's crazy cool.
You know I'm an over clicker.
I'm a habitual over clicker.
When I do site surveys like Ihave to make sure I tap, tap,
tap, tap, tap just in case Iscrew up a data point.
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I want my last data point to berelevant.
I don't want to have to go walk100 meters back to where I was.
So it was really great to seeit.
It is not available yet.
It is being shown off in demo.
If you're curious, reach out tothe team at CEDOS, cidos, they
call it CIDOS.
I call it CEDOS because it'syou know, I grew up on the
border, so CEDOS sounds morenatural to me than CIDOS.
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But if you like to call itCidos or Cidos, you know I'll
let you and Mika fight that oneout.
Constantine did a wonderful jobpresenting about it at Wi-Fi
Now, so we got to see a lotabout what they're doing, the
examples of what they're doingwith AI walls and propagation is
really neat, but the thing thatstood out to me the most was
seeing a wireless site survey,which was so cool.
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So kudos to them for gettingthat done.
I hope to see it in publiclaunch soon.
If you have a wave, you knowthat they're running
applications on it now, which isreally really stellar.
You know all these microapplications are just going to
continue to get better andbetter with their product.
It's really great.
So while Hamina is doingincredible things on the
software side like absolutelyincredible things on the
software side C-DOS is doingsome pretty awesome stuff on the
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hardware side, so so glad tofinally see it.
I hope that this pushes therest of the industry to innovate
this component and getBluetooth running on their
devices and supported across theworld.
I love it.
I'm so excited.
It was so great.
What else, who else did we see?
Rodent Swartz was there.
They've got some really coolwebinars coming up about 6
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gigahertz broadcasted, 6gigahertz puncturing.
I thought were prettyinteresting.
So if you're interested in that, look at Roden Schwartz.
But other than that man, thesun's going down, ball games
happening down the street.
It was a fun week, man a funweek being out here in San
Francisco.
The energy, the vibe, justbeing out here with these brick
walls and big skylines behind me, it's just.
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It's always so awesome just tobe in in this thing and so, uh,
you know, if you're interestedin getting a chance or an
opportunity to come out here,the best way to do it one of the
ways that I love to do it issign up to be a delegate for
mobility field day Day.
Now there's a Mobility FieldDay coming up in about five days
.
The Gestalt IT team is puttingtogether one of their Tech Field
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Day signature events MobilityField Day, which is obviously my
favorite.
But if you're interested intechnology at all, reach out to
the team at Tech Field Day, fillout the form, see if you can
become a delegate, and it's agreat way to come out and meet
incredible people and learnabout technology and be in the
scene.
Also, wlpc the call for papersfor Prague is now open.
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If you have any interest insubmitting something, man, just
put it out there.
I can't tell you enough.
Just put it out there.
You never know who's going tovote for it.
You never know if you might endup with a great excuse to go to
a great city.
W up with a great excuse to goto a great city.
Wlpc Prague is coming up inOctober.
Wlpc in Spain is coming up soon,and that one's going to be nuts
.
Frenet can talk about that.
I'm sure we just need to havehim on the show and talk about
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this.
But the one that's coming up isgoing to be great.
They're doing a limited amountof TED Talks.
They're doing mostly deep divesessions in Spanish.
So, si quieres, vamonos, let'sgo to Spain and check it out.
Man, it's going to be really,really cool.
Mark says he's sad he's not adelegate.
I know, man, it's always fun tobe a delegate.
I'm now back on the vendor scumside of the table, so I don't
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know if I'll be a delegateanytime soon, but if you know me
, you know I'm doing some reallyreally cool stuff and getting
to work on some fun projects.
Other than that, I think thatis time to go.
It's been 28 minutes of yourlife that you've given me and I
can't tell you how much Iappreciate it.
So please continue to listen.
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Let me know if there's anythingthat you want me to talk about.
We've got a bunch of peoplewatching right now on X and only
a handful that are watching onYouTube.
So, uh, I'm not going to do araffle right now, but what I'll
do is I'm going to plan it out alittle bit better so we have
some fun.
There's some great things that Iwant to give away.
There's an.
I want to give away a new nettool.
(29:12):
Uh, I want to give away some ofthis new stuff that's coming
out from NetAlly.
I got approved to give awaysome really cool stuff from Eero
.
You know, got to support thehome base dog.
Awesome stuff over here.
Some Wi-Fi stand stuff that'scoming out.
There's lots of really neatthings.
So if there's something you'reinterested in doing to give away
, let me know.
I'll be happy to raffle it offto you.
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Hey, art man, thanks forjoining.
Awesome, very cool, greatinformation.
Thank you, no way, man.
Thank you for listening.
I appreciate the feedback y'all.
We're getting a little bit moreof it now, so it's really cool
to see everyone.
Oh, wlpc in Spain, september12th through 16th.
Just look at the WLPCcom.
Anyway, that's, I think, allI've got.
Wba World Congress is coming upin Dallas.
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If you're part of the WBA or ifyou want to find out what's
going on.
Go look up the WirelessBroadband Alliance.
It's a phenomenal show.
It happens in Dallas.
Lots of good information there,very similar format to Wi-Fi.
Now there's a couple of othershows that are happening between
now and then.
Nothing too big, but Cisco Liveis coming up.
So if you're going to be atCisco Live, you know, give me a
shout out.
(30:13):
San Diego this year with theKillers and a big party.
So Cisco Live is going to begreat.
I'm going to be going back andforth between there and San
Clemente, california, helpingsupport a surfing event.
Let me win something and I'llsend you something you wanted in
Phoenix.
Oh, my god, man, dude, I mean,I can do a raffle for a Wi-Fi
stand any day.
Should we do a raffle for aWi-Fi stand?
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I think you have one, mark, Idon't know.
You guys want to do a rafflefor a Wi-Fi stand.
Let's do this, man.
Let's try it.
Let's give it a couple minuteshere.
If you're listening to thestream, do me a favor and go to
the YouTube channel, go toyoutubecom, slash at wireless
(31:03):
nerd and get over to theYouTubeaffle.
Even if there's only three ofus, I'll give out a wifi stand.
You know what?
I won't just give out wifistand.
Let's do a, an accessory, fromthere.
So if there's something thatyou want, uh, let me know and I
will.
Uh, I'll do it.
So let me get into the little,the little giveaway screen over
here and we'll see what we got.
What we're going to do is we'regoing to do the same thing we
did last week, which is you'vegot to type a keyword and if you
type that keyword, it's goingto recognize you as someone
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who's typed it in, and if youpop in that keyword, then I'll
draw your name.
So we've got a couple ofviewers in there.
Again, if you're listening on X,go to youtubecom, slash at
wireless nerd, and I'm going togive you a few minutes here.
We'll see if we can get somepeople on there.
If not, mark, your chances arelooking very, very, very good,
my friend.
They're looking very good forwinning this.
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I'll give you them.
If you win and you're the onlyone in here, man, I'll give you
the run of the house.
You can pick whatever you want,anyway, all right.
Well, I think that's enough timewhere we've sent it out over
there.
We've had a couple minutes andI don't even know how many
visitors there are, but let'stry this.
Mark you ready?
So what I need you to do istype the keyword oh, what are we
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going to use here?
Wi-fi stand.
Keyword Wi-Fi stand.
Type Wi-Fi stand into the chaton YouTube.
And I'm going to give it a fewminutes.
And stand into the chat onYouTube.
I'm going to give it a fewminutes and if I see one or two
pop up, then I'll wait and thenwe'll do it.
Here we go.
Do-do-do-do, enter your waitmusic.
Now I wonder if there's stilltime to go see the Giants.
(32:33):
I don't even know if they'replaying.
I think they're playingColorado Rockies.
Anyway, oh, look at that atthat.
Oh, we got another one.
Oh, mark, you said wi-fi stand.
Okay, hold on.
Oh, I messed up.
Let me try it again.
Viewers, regulars, moderators,all right, the keyword is wi-fi
stand.
And here we go.
Okay, there we go.
Wi-fi stand, wi-fi stand.
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Oh, mark, you have somecompetition.
My friend, there's a few people.
That's in there, make sure,type it again.
If you haven't, if it doesn'thighlight, type it again.
Aliron Gonzalez, mark Houtslet's see One word Wi-Fi stand.
All one word.
Dan, all one word.
Let's see why is this showinganother name?
I don't know, that's like chatbot or night bot or something
(33:15):
like that.
I'm waiting.
I'm waiting, dan, if you, ifyou want to type it again, like,
let me do like this let's seeType Wi-Fi stand, there we go.
Maybe that'll be helpful inmore real time.
There we go.
Look at this.
Hey, okay, it's registered.
So, dan, you're registered.
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Mark, you're registered, aliron, you're registered.
You guys are in there.
There's three.
Okay, I have all three of youin there.
Ferdinand's not even typing itin.
We've got three entries.
All right, what do you guys?
This is Brad Pitt.
Hello, brad, how are you Allright, you guys ready?
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I'm like the worst at giveaways, man, and I'm just staring at
the screen here.
Let me see if I can load upwhat I'm looking at here.
No, I can't load it up.
Okay, y'all ready.
Oh, mario's in there.
Hey, mario, no, one word.
Dude, you got to write it allas one word.
Mario, if you guys don't knowCleverFi, free plug for CleverFi
, check out CleverFi.
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Mario has a really cool dealand he rented a Cybertruck at
Dude.
Where were we, like CES orwherever we were, and you went
driving around in that thing.
Yeah, man, that was pretty cool.
Come on, mario, type it in.
Right, how do you change thename to Brad Pitt?
Sorry, brad, you're going tohave to call Angelina and she's
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going to help you out with that.
Let's see if I can send thismessage to Madhavan and tell him
hey, you have to.
Oh, there you go.
All right, get Winnow, getWinnow.
Okay, that's four.
Should we wait a little bitlonger?
I think I'm going to cut thiswhole part out of the podcast
once we publish it, but this iskind of fun.
What do you guys want me to giveaway?
Why don't you type that in?
Do you want a Wi-Fi stand?
Do you want an Excel?
Do you want one of the lightstands?
Oh, you don't want my flatstands.
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The flat stands are pretty cool.
The vertical mount We've got avertical mount.
I wonder if I have any.
I wonder what else is there, Idon't know.
All right, I think that'senough time.
Man Winner, winner, chickendinner.
Okay, you guys ready, you ready,you ready, you ready.
Choose a winner.
The winner is Dan Spulecki.
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You are the winner, my friend.
It randomly chose you, which isexciting.
Winner.
Winner, chicken dinner.
Send me a message.
Drew at wifi standcomcom, and Iwill tell you what you want, and
what I'll do is basically sayjump on the website and choose
something, I'll give you a promocode for it.
Hey, but y'all so much fun,dude.
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You guys are just fun to playalong with, and I want you to
know that I really appreciate it.
Uh, I don't have 10,000 viewerson here yet, but, uh, viewers
on here yet.
But what's a flat stand?
Oh, I'll show you.
Man, if you go to wifi standcom, look up the little flat stand.
Anyway, all right, y'all.
No toys for you.
Drew this timer.
I know, mark, dude, you're,you're bound to win just out of
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sheer, just out of sheervelocity at some point.
Anyway, so, dan,congratulations.
Thanks for listening, man, Ireally appreciate it.
We'll get you squared away.
Make sure you send me an emailand we'll go to drew at wifi
standcom, d-r-e-w at wifistandcom.
Send me a message and we'll getyou squared away.
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Anyway, thank you so much forlistening.
I, you know I enjoy doing this.
Plus, my backdrop's kind ofcool and the sun went down, so
it's totally time to go.
Have yourself a wonderful week.
I fly home tomorrow, which isfantastic.
Enjoy your weekend and I willtalk to you all next week.
For now, see you later.
Thanks for listening.
Bye.
Well, well, well, here we go.
What's up everybody?
How's it going?
It's nice to see the camera andthe lights and all this
beautiful stuff behind us.
Uh-oh, I'm broadcasting myself.
You know it happens sometimes,so I've got a temporary setup
going on right now and, as youcan see from the wonderful
(00:24):
non-decorative artwork orwhatnot behind me, this is
actually I'm in one of thosefancy San Francisco startups.
I'm on the third floor here atEero Headquarters, eero HQ.
As you guys know, I've got aday job and have a fantastic
time playing with presidentialWi-Fi here with the wonderful
company Eero, and so I was heretoday.
(00:46):
I'm out here in San Franciscoand, of course, right as soon as
I start going, they'revacuuming.
I thought it was a lawnmoweroutside, but they're vacuuming
right on top of me, so I hopethat that's not too loud or
distracting.
Either way, I'm here.
I'm in San Francisco, came outhere for the weekend, went to
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Wi-Fi Now Got to spend some timewith the crew over at Wi-Fi.
Now it's pretty loud.
I'll wait just a minute hereSee if that goes away.
I'm waiting for Mark to join.
Mark Houts always joins first,right?
Maybe he'll tell me if he canhear the vacuum.
There we go.
The vacuum is off, fantastic,anyway.
So, as I mentioned, I'm outhere in San Francisco, caddy
Corn of the San Francisco Giantsballpark they're playing a game
right now.
I thought I might do that fordinner.
Maybe I'll cruise by halfwaythrough, get a discount ticket,
(01:31):
eat a hot dog, enjoy my dinnerand my time out here.
Anyway, salesforce Tower rightbehind me, nice little scenery,
beautiful weather, typical SanFrancisco weather.
Anyway, this is the Wavepodcast.
What's new, what's now, what'snext, what's happening?
Got a little mic attached here,got my screen there, oh, and
the man of the hour, mr Frenet,has joined.
I'm glad, and I've got like acool light too, so it looks
(01:55):
pretty good, man, I'm veryexcited.
Anyway, lots going on, lots totalk about.
This week, Wi-Fi Now was Monday,tuesday, wednesday co-located
with the Open Wi-Fi event andthe Summit and the Halo Summit,
and so there was all this crazystuff happening and I got a
chance to go out and spend timewith the crew over there at
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Wi-Fi Now.
Klaus, always, thank you, Iappreciate you inviting me and I
appreciate getting to hang outwith everyone.
It's like a reunion when youwalk into Wi-Fi Now.
So what was really differentabout this?
Is it appealed to the innernerd in me because it was at the
computer history museum inMountain View, and if you've
never been to the computerhistory museum in Mountain View,
it's the old SGI building.
So Silicon graphics Um, yeah,man, it was.
(02:41):
Uh, it was neat to be in thatroom and imagine all the things
that took place there.
So that was pretty cool.
We got to see some innovativeproducts and I'll talk about
those in just a little bit, butfor now I want to jump into some
of the things I've been readingacross the week in the spirit
of what's new, what's now andwhat's next.
Let's see what we got here.
(03:02):
I've got a little screen goingright there where you can see
some of the notes that I'm goingto get into in just a second
here.
But I actually want to startwith something a little bit
different.
We're going to start over herebecause Helium not only is a
wonderful sponsor of the show,so we appreciate the Helium
Network, everything that they dofor us.
If you don't know much aboutHelium, visit Heliumcom.
You can learn all aboutbecoming part of the Helium
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network.
It is insane the statisticsthat they put up about what
they're doing.
And now they announced theirAT&T partnership for Wi-Fi
offload.
So if you have a phone that'san AT&T phone, or one of their
MVNOs even, and you come withinrange of a Helium network,
you'll automatically beoffloaded, and this is utilizing
(03:43):
Hotspot 2.0, utilizingPasspoint to make this happen,
which is tremendous.
Mario DiDio, our good friendMario, did a wonderful
presentation about this at Wi-FiNow and it was really cool.
There's some statistics thatthey talk about here.
I think 2.3 million subscribersjust in Telefónica's mobile
(04:05):
flagship carrier in Mexico isbringing Helium to their 2.3
million subscribers in additionto AT&T.
And what they're doing thequote here is AT&T and Helium
are leading the way in settingWi-Fi quality metrics.
Now this is really neat.
One of the things that welearned about at Wi-Fi Now was
what they're doing with theseactual metrics.
What they're doing is they'retaking the network quality and
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they're shipping it back up toAT&T so that AT&T can monitor
and measure the quality of thenetwork connection using an
assurance metric.
That's part of WBA, and so thisis something.
Stuart Strickland, the CTO fromAruba, stood up and was like,
right with applause for whatHelium's doing, because this is
a metric that basically sayswhen the device goes to attach
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to the network, when the Wi-Fidevice goes to attach to the
Wi-Fi network, it sends up anassurance metric to say, hey,
this is what the network's doing, this is how well it's working,
and now you can take that dataand you can push it northbound
to the carrier so that thecarrier knows it's a quality
Wi-Fi connection.
Why is this important?
It's important because if AT&Tis trusting Helium, the Helium
network, to do Wi-Fi offload,at&t doesn't want their
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customers to have a poor qualityof experience if they're
connected to Helium, and theonly way to ensure that is
either to put out a sensor or tobuild the network themselves,
or monitor the network or usethis assurance metric that's
provided as part of what WBA isdoing.
So it's really really neat tosee how this is going back and
forth and how the carriers cannow leverage the Helium network
(05:34):
to identify where their networkis working, where it's not
working.
So there's a lot to be saidhere and it's really neat to
know that AT&T is getting behindthis.
So kudos to the team over thereat Helium doing some fantastic
work.
It's really neat to see andit's great to be a part of that,
and I'm proud that they sponsorthe show.
It's such a cool thing.
So more than 600,000 users aday.
(05:55):
This, actually I know thenumber I think is above 700,000
users per day across 90,000hotspots that Helium is working
with.
So that is awesome.
Congrats to AT&T for makingthat happen and congrats to
Helium for having that all mixedIn.
Other news, alongside this,google Fi, which also has this
whole Passpoint thing going onif you've ever used their
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product, is it Orion?
I think it's called Orion,their Wi-Fi offload product.
Anyway, if you've ever lookedat that product or used that
product, now Google Fi islaunching a $35 a month
unlimited plan.
Now Google Fi tried to get.
Google tried to get into thecarrier game or the M&O game a
while back, and you can use thisin MBO.
This one is a $35 per month forone line.
It's the most affordable plan.
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It features 30 gig ofhigh-speed data.
As part of the change, it'srenaming its Simply Unlimited
plan to Unlimited Standard,which still costs $50 a month
for one line, and also offers upto 50 gig of high-speed data
instead of 35.
The Unlimited Standard plan nowis 25 gig of high-speed data
tethering to 5 gig too.
Now let me load something uphere, because I thought that
this was pretty awesome If youwant to do something neat, and
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I've talked about this before.
Um, if you want to do somethingneat and I've talked about this
before and people have asked meabout it there's something
called helium zero, that, if youdon't want to spend any money
on a mobile plan, this is theonly carrier that offers a
completely free plan, and sopart of this I want to bring it
up, because we're talking aboutmoney and whatnot Um, what you
do is you activate it as an eSIMon your phone.
(07:22):
So if you already have anexisting carrier, you can
activate it as a second deviceon there.
You activate it as an eSIM andit doesn't cost anything.
It's 3 gig a month.
And what you do?
Oh, there's three, starting atfree.
Choose zero with 3 gig a day,data level or up to air with 10
gig.
Oh, the lights just went out onme while I'm sitting.
Whoa, it's got a wholedifferent vibe now.
(07:49):
There's a motion detector thatdidn't get triggered.
Whatever, we're just going toroll with it.
Anyway, zero contracts bringyour device, this one, the three
gig per month, they have anunlimited one as well, but the
free one, the one that'scompletely free, it doesn't cost
anything to set up, and onceyou set it up and you get going
with it, what happens is, aslong as you have your uh, your
location services turned on, youearn credits for this.
(08:09):
So it's 100 minutes of voice amonth on 300 texts, but in a
pinch, it's kind of cool.
Monthly price zero.
There's your broadband fat card.
I think I've got that screenbeing shared.
Fantastic.
You can see your broadband fatcard.
You can see what it does on theair one.
It shows it's $15 a month.
Infinity is $30 a month.
So even though google fi isbusting out that $35 per month
thing, this one is $0.
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No, dude.
So free.99.
Dude, it's crazy.
I've had it running on my phone.
Now I'm running it on a OnePlus12.
Oneplus is the name of thephone and I'm running it on
OnePlus 12.
And it's working phenomenally.
It works really well, just whenI need it.
Good enough to handle one of mykiddos so that they can play
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some games, anyway.
So Google Fi is trying to matchthat, getting down to $35 a
month.
Fantastic, happy to see it.
Let's race to the bottom.
Let's make these plans aseconomically feasible as
possible for everybody thatneeds them.
Anyway, let's see.
What else do we have going onhere.
Nokia, this is interesting.
So yeah, just a quick mention,since it's a pop-up.
Broadband Nation Expo has acall for speakers November 17th
(09:13):
through 19th.
I don't know what that's about,but it's a pop-up, so might as
well talk about them.
Nokia Bell Labs gets real withreal-time digital twin robots
for warehouses.
So time digital twin robots forwarehouses.
So, dude, we've all talkedabout this.
Like everybody who does a sitesurvey has talked about this.
How do we leverage robotics anddrones and whatnot to do
digital twins and to do imageryof warehouses or facilities or
(09:36):
whatever it is?
So Nokia Bell Lab showed off adynamic digital twin during its
hundred year celebration.
It shows how warehouse managerscould remotely make changes to
the warehouse floor using robots, and so it's a demo with 10
boxes on three shelves.
The system reflects inventorymovements in real time.
A robot was used to move boxes.
The digital twin instantlyupdated to mirror those changes.
So something just to be saidfor the fact that these are
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things that we've all talkedabout, things that we've all
dreamed about using robotics todo surveys.
So now, if they've got a robotthat does that digital twin,
throw another sensor on there.
There's lots of really coolsensors out there, and one of
them we'll be talking about in alittle bit, because now you
have the ability to do awireless site survey without
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having a wire tethered to aphone or to a tablet.
Pretty cool.
Net zero is back, I love it.
So this was a fascinatingarticle to be moving on.
Detected safeguards safeguardsthe conclave's secrecy.
So there's a lot of stuffthat's going on in Vatican right
now and they're getting thewhole conclave together to see
if they can get a new pope putin place.
And I hadn't thought about theamount of data security that's
(10:44):
necessary for this.
And it's like you know, it'sone thing.
They put the special film overwindows so people can't see in.
Then they close the.
You know, if you watch the showon Netflix, right, they close
the windows so there's nophotography.
You know any of that stuff.
I hadn't thought about the RFimplications and you would hate
to think that people are that.
I don't want to say sinister orweird, but you know that they
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would actually go through thepaces to extract data about who
the next Pope is going to be andsending and receiving data
wirelessly.
But, dude, you know what?
You never know, man.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know how many cardinalshave a flipper, you know, but
they talk about jammers and thethings that they're doing in
here.
Um, the vatican, vatican city,faces unprecedented sorry,
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unprecedented technologicalchallenges compared to other
conclaves artificialintelligence systems, drones,
military satellites, microscopicmicrophones, misinformation,
epidemics, a world permanentlyconnected and informed through
social media.
And so it talks about some ofthe signal jammers that they're
using, the device checks thatthey do.
They basically turn it into anelectronic bunker and make sure
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that everything is locked in.
So you've got privacy film.
This is interesting.
Contemporary satellites arecapable of taking pictures of
people's faces from space, whileAI can interpret lip movement.
Dude, I hadn't even thoughtabout that.
I guess it's a big deal.
I mean, it's kind of like apretty big election.
But how do you get word to thecardinals?
I don't know, man, but I hadn'tthought about this.
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Vatican City it's notorious forhaving all the cameras it does,
and in this article it talksabout 650 cameras monitoring
streets from an undergroundcommand center.
Vatican City functions as aconventional.
They have their own policeforce, they've got like their
Swiss Guard.
They have all this stuff, but200,000 people are going to be
expected to be in the city whilethey wait for the color of the
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smoke to change and with thatman there's some serious
security that needs to takeplace.
I haven't thought about that,so I wanted to share that with
y'all.
I thought that was fascinating.
Amdocs is getting out of theSaaS business for CBRS.
I just popped this up because Iknow CBRS.
There's a lot of stuff that'sgoing on there and now there's a
new frequency space that'scoming about 37 gigahertz, so 37
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to 37.2 gig, and they'retalking about a SaaS for that as
well.
But right now you have to go inand you have to set the
frequencies and channel plan andchannel coordinate yourself.
Like, how do you even do that?
Who else is using 37 gig?
I've never used 37 gig, butapparently there's a spectrum
out there in 37 gig that mightend up in a SAS.
So it's fascinating for me tosee that someone's moving out of
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it.
You know, I don't know who elseis still doing CBRS SaaS.
I know I've used Federated,I've used Google.
I think there's a couple otherones that are out there that are
doing it.
But Ambox is proud to havesupported the early success of
CBRS and now they're out.
Is that a sign of the times?
Is CBRS failing because Amboxis bailing.
I guess I won't be tailing orsailing.
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Maybe mailing I'm about topeanut.
Anyway, terrible joke there.
What's that movie man?
The Princess Bride.
Anyway, speaking of what'shappening in CBRS 5G, private 5G
and whatnot, dell is announcinga partnership with Nokia For
private wireless at theenterprise edge.
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So they're talking aboutprivate 5G and private 4G and
how that compares.
You know there's a lot that'smoving on in that space, but I
think that this week at Wi-FiNow, I heard I think it was
Stuart Strickland from Aruba whotalked about why enterprise
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private 5G and private 4G hasnot taken off, and I never
thought about it in the way thathe presented it.
He said you have carriers thatit's always been presented by
carriers who are trying to gointo the enterprise space to get
the enterprises to buysomething from the carriers and
tell them that they need it, toget the enterprises to buy
something from the carriers andtelling them that they need it.
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But you've never had groupsthat are enterprise Wi-Fi or
wireless providers, enterpriseservice providers, going to the
customers and telling them whatthey need and giving them a
solution that doesn't involvethe carrier and that seems to be
more of what enterprises arelooking for.
They're trying to get away fromthe carrier side.
So why would they want to buysomething else from the carrier?
And maybe that's why the salescycle hasn't worked the way that
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it's supposed to with private4G and 5G.
I don't know.
I don't know if there's anytruth to that, but I hadn't
heard about it like that andthought about how, why would you
buy from the carrier if they'rethe ones that you're trying to
get away from?
That totally makes sense.
Stuart's a pretty smart guy,man.
He also said some prettydisruptive stuff on stage.
It's gotten a lot of commentsand a lot of feedback.
He popped off and he said well,you know, I'll talk about that
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in a second.
We talk about Wi-Fi now.
Anyway, what else we got goingon?
So Dell's getting into it there.
Tp-link look at this man, thisis a new one.
Tp-link facing US criminalantitrust probes.
Man, there's just, you know, itjust keeps going and going and
going with these guys.
So TP link uh, not having agood time in the courts.
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Here's the thing about 37 gig.
There's a lot, dude.
There's a lot happening at theFCC.
My friend Tom Luke's a.
I ran into him on the airplane.
He was on his way to go testifyat the FCC to talk about, um,
the contributions that um thevoice providers are making and
how there's some of thatchanging.
It was a fascinatingconversation on a topic that I
really don't know anything about, so I invited him to be a part
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of the podcast pretty soon.
I want Tom to come in and giveus his opinion on what he's
doing in that space and what'sgoing on with telcos and with
voice services, specificallywith the FCC and right now, how
everything's changing.
I would love for him to come onand have that conversation with
us.
So, tom, if you're listening,yes, that invite's still good.
That wasn't just something Isaid on the plane.
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I found it fascinating.
Plus, I want to know what it'slike to sit in front of the FCC
and have these conversations.
Were you accepted well?
Were they happy to see youthere?
Did it follow in deaf ears?
I'm curious to see what wasgoing on there.
So, speaking of FCC frameworkfor lower 37 gigahertz band,
this is pretty interesting.
Right 37 to 37.6 shared bygovernment commercial entities.
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There's no real clear rules onsharing it, and so they said
they're going to establish thenew licensing framework, open up
600 megahertz of spectrum inthat space.
It prioritizes the militaryusing it and once you set it up
you have to use it within.
You have to start operationswithin one year of registering
your site and then you have tofigure out how to coordinate
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sites on an individual basis andthen register those sites.
So I don't even know what thatmeans.
But there's not a SaaS involved, so good luck with that.
In other news, speaking of funstuff so excited Amazon's
Project Kuiper 27 satellites arefloating around Earth right now
on the first LEO constellationfor Kuiper.
Congratulations to the team atKuiper for getting that done.
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That's so awesome.
It's great to have even anotherLEO operator that's out there.
So there's a lot to come fromKuiper.
It's going to be really neat tosee some competition in that
marketplace.
You know Starlink has a littlebit of a head start there.
But here we go, man.
It's pretty neat.
What a fun time to be alive tothink about what can be done
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using low-Earth orbitingsatellites.
It's pretty neat.
At this rate, it looks unlikelythat Kuiper will meet the FCC's
deadline of having over 1,600satellites in orbit by the
summer of 2026.
You never know.
In all, kuiper is supposed tolaunch 3,236.
And that's a lot, man.
That's a lot of satellites thatare going up there.
Amazon says it's secured enoughcapacity to launch most of its
constellation, with 80 launchessecured from Aeron Space, blue
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Origin, spacex and the ULA.
So this one was popped up byULA, so kind of cool.
Congratulations to the teamover at Kuiper.
It's pretty awesome.
I can't wait to start playingwith those terminals and see
what they do.
You know I'm a tech nerd beforeanything, so I can't wait to
get my hands on anything that'snew and out there.
Exciting times.
Now, if you don't know Susinder,I hope that you would follow
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him on LinkedIn because he issuch a wealth of information and
knowledge and such a fun personto read his posts and he had
some great coverage from Wi-FiNow.
So let's talk about Wi-Fi Now.
Wi-fi Now World Congresshappened this past week and the
next one is coming up in Dubaiand it's produced by Wi-Fi Now
World Congress happened thispast week and the next one is
coming up in Dubai and it'sproduced by Wi-Fi Now Events.
Klaus Heading and the team overat Wi-Fi Now put this thing
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together and they do atremendous job.
It's a really great mix of newand upcoming vendors, people
that you probably haven't heardbefore, mixed with people that
you know a whole lot about, andthen you get updates from some
of the top minds in the industryand it's such a cool show to go
to because you know number oneyou're going to run into friends
, you're going to run intopeople that you may not know,
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that you would love to meet, andyou're going to run into people
that are absolute experts inwhat we're doing and what our
wireless world revolves around.
So I zoomed in on this pagereal quick because Eric
McLaughlin is one of my favoritepeople to listen to, especially
at Wi-Fi.
Now he comes in and he bringsthe update from Intel on what
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the rate of adoption is forchipsets or where they're being
deployed or what Intel isworking on next, and he had some
really interesting notes.
This time Wi-Fi it says he'sdelivering 10x the data going
over cellular.
So Wi-Fi is still the king ofthe hill when it comes to
communications on mobile devices10x over cellular.
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Six gig is a major asset toWi-Fi.
It needs to be used to thefullest extent.
It's not right now.
And there were some sharp words,some sharp comments from Stuart
Strickland, the CTO at Aruba.
He said two things that piquedmy mind One.
He said something that wasvalidated by other people in the
industry.
Let me start with that.
And he said from a Wi-Fi 7perspective or an enterprise
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perspective, wi-fi 7 doesn'toffer many features that make it
a logical upgrade in the nextiteration of Wi-Fi.
But then the reason why isbecause the feature sets that
are in Wi-Fi 7 are more gearedtowards home Wi-Fi routers, home
Wi-Fi internet access, thingslike that.
And that's an importantcall-out, because it wasn't him
just saying don't buy Wi-Fi 7.
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It was him saying look, ifyou're in enterprise and you're
running 6E right now, 6 or 6E 7sof feature set, of course
there's some cool stuff in there, but 320 megahertz channels,
for example, are something thathe said he doesn't ever imagine
an enterprise adopting or using.
Now I don't know how much Iagree with that, because we
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don't know what the future isgoing to hold and what
applications and things are outthere.
It's important to note that theday before there were a lot of
people talking about VR and ARand all this other stuff,
because they were in the contextof how much data they're going
to be consuming.
So, 320 megahertz maybe, butmore in the home than in the
enterprise.
So I'm not agreeing ordisagreeing, I'm just saying wow
, to hear someone stand up andtalk about that was pretty
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fascinating.
And so 6 gigs still completelyunderutilized.
It looks like Intel's on theirthird chip.
Now Adoption of 6GHz in PCs ispicking up momentum
significantly.
He has a chart here that I can'tzoom in on, man.
I wish I could because I'd loveto see.
There we go.
Let's see 6GHz Wi-Fi 7 chipset77%.
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I don't have the context overit.
Over 950 Wi-Fi 7 device modelswith 6 gig support were
identified.
That's awesome.
But you can see the breakdownin 6 gig Wi-Fi 7 PC320.
I don't know what the chartmeans, man, but Eric did a
fantastic job presenting and youcan look for his stuff.
I'm not sure if it's all goingto be posted, but he'll also be
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at the WBA show that's coming upin Dallas next month.
So if you want to hear fromEric, make sure you show up for
that.
Devices with 320 megahertzbandwidth support are coming, so
really neat that it's coming.
Right now I only have a devicethat does 160 megahertz, so I am
looking forward to that.
I'm looking forward tosomething more.
So what else can we talk about?
That's a lot, man.
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I know it's a lot and I'mtrying to talk fast and make
sure I'm making the best use ofyour time.
So I appreciate it if you'rewatching For Neha Mark.
It's always good to see youguys on here.
But also I appreciate youlistening.
I love that we've got theviewership that we do and the
people that are listening.
I love being in your eartalking about this.
As I mentioned last week, I wasdriving down the road thinking,
man, I just wish I could listento something to prepare me for
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my podcast.
I guess I'll just talk throughthe podcast.
Anyway, I wasn't expecting tosee the innovation that I saw at
Wi-Fi Now and I don't mean thatin a negative way, it's just
Wi-Fi Now is usually a meetingof the minds, the corporate
types, the people that aretrying to advance their
companies and whatnot.
I wasn't expecting to see newhardware or use new hardware or
see new features on hardware oruse new hardware or see new
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features on hardware.
But I did.
There is some really cool stuffthat's coming.
May 15th and 14 days is theofficial launch of it.
Netally has a new product thatI would keep your eyes open for.
It's really, really cool and itdoes some stuff.
It's an update to one of theirolder products and it's really
really neat to look at and see.
I got to see it and use it.
It's a great little piece ofkit, so, looking forward to that
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, we'll be probably giving oneaway.
Hopefully Maybe not today, butwe'll be giving one away soon.
Don't worry, I do want to do agiveaway today, but we'll see
where that goes.
And then the other and Frenetjust popped up talked about
Wi-Fi.
Halo, yeah, halo was there.
Open Wi-Fi had a really coolshowing, a great showing as a
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matter of fact, for the OpenWi-Fi Summit.
I got to run into some of myold MetaMates.
My old boss was there.
That was pretty cool man, um,that was neat.
I didn't go to the Halo one daything, so I'm not sure what was
there.
But Morse Micro had a reallystrong showing, which was great
to see new tech.
But Frenet, myself and EvaSantos Eva was there, I love Eva
we got a little reunionhappening and we got to see and
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get hands-on with something thatI'm going to cut a video and
send it out for.
And we got to use a CEDOS Waveconnected to an iPhone
wirelessly Bluetooth from theCEDOS Wave to the iPhone.
I watched Rene do a survey withno wires.
He did a wireless wireless sitesurvey and that was tremendous
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to me because it felt so native.
It felt like that's the waythat things should always be.
If someone who's lost a bunchof data you know when something
resets or unplugs or whatever itis.
This is like crazy.
It's crazy cool.
You know I'm an over clicker.
I'm a habitual over clicker.
When I do site surveys like Ihave to make sure I tap, tap,
tap, tap, tap just in case Iscrew up a data point.
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I want my last data point to berelevant.
I don't want to have to go walk100 meters back to where I was.
So it was really great to seeit.
It is not available yet.
It is being shown off in demo.
If you're curious, reach out tothe team at CEDOS, cidos, they
call it CIDOS.
I call it CEDOS because it'syou know, I grew up on the
border, so CEDOS sounds morenatural to me than CIDOS.
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But if you like to call itCidos or Cidos, you know I'll
let you and Mika fight that oneout.
Constantine did a wonderful jobpresenting about it at Wi-Fi
Now, so we got to see a lotabout what they're doing, the
examples of what they're doingwith AI walls and propagation is
really neat, but the thing thatstood out to me the most was
seeing a wireless site survey,which was so cool.
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So kudos to them for gettingthat done.
I hope to see it in publiclaunch soon.
If you have a wave, you knowthat they're running
applications on it now, which isreally really stellar.
You know all these microapplications are just going to
continue to get better andbetter with their product.
It's really great.
So while Hamina is doingincredible things on the
software side like absolutelyincredible things on the
software side C-DOS is doingsome pretty awesome stuff on the
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hardware side, so so glad tofinally see it.
I hope that this pushes therest of the industry to innovate
this component and getBluetooth running on their
devices and supported across theworld.
I love it.
I'm so excited.
It was so great.
What else, who else did we see?
Rodent Swartz was there.
They've got some really coolwebinars coming up about 6
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gigahertz broadcasted, 6gigahertz puncturing.
I thought were prettyinteresting.
So if you're interested in that, look at Roden Schwartz.
But other than that man, thesun's going down, ball games
happening down the street.
It was a fun week, man a funweek being out here in San
Francisco.
The energy, the vibe, justbeing out here with these brick
walls and big skylines behind me, it's just.
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It's always so awesome just tobe in in this thing and so, uh,
you know, if you're interestedin getting a chance or an
opportunity to come out here,the best way to do it one of the
ways that I love to do it issign up to be a delegate for
mobility field day Day.
Now there's a Mobility FieldDay coming up in about five days
.
The Gestalt IT team is puttingtogether one of their Tech Field
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Day signature events MobilityField Day, which is obviously my
favorite.
But if you're interested intechnology at all, reach out to
the team at Tech Field Day, fillout the form, see if you can
become a delegate, and it's agreat way to come out and meet
incredible people and learnabout technology and be in the
scene.
Also, wlpc the call for papersfor Prague is now open.
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If you have any interest insubmitting something, man, just
put it out there.
I can't tell you enough.
Just put it out there.
You never know who's going tovote for it.
You never know if you might endup with a great excuse to go to
a great city.
W up with a great excuse to goto a great city.
Wlpc Prague is coming up inOctober.
Wlpc in Spain is coming up soon,and that one's going to be nuts
.
Frenet can talk about that.
I'm sure we just need to havehim on the show and talk about
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this.
But the one that's coming up isgoing to be great.
They're doing a limited amountof TED Talks.
They're doing mostly deep divesessions in Spanish.
So, si quieres, vamonos, let'sgo to Spain and check it out.
Man, it's going to be really,really cool.
Mark says he's sad he's not adelegate.
I know, man, it's always fun tobe a delegate.
I'm now back on the vendor scumside of the table, so I don't
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know if I'll be a delegateanytime soon, but if you know me
, you know I'm doing some reallyreally cool stuff and getting
to work on some fun projects.
Other than that, I think thatis time to go.
It's been 28 minutes of yourlife that you've given me and I
can't tell you how much Iappreciate it.
So please continue to listen.
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Let me know if there's anythingthat you want me to talk about.
We've got a bunch of peoplewatching right now on X and only
a handful that are watching onYouTube.
So, uh, I'm not going to do araffle right now, but what I'll
do is I'm going to plan it out alittle bit better so we have
some fun.
There's some great things that Iwant to give away.
There's an.
I want to give away a new nettool.
(29:12):
Uh, I want to give away some ofthis new stuff that's coming
out from NetAlly.
I got approved to give awaysome really cool stuff from Eero
.
You know, got to support thehome base dog.
Awesome stuff over here.
Some Wi-Fi stand stuff that'scoming out.
There's lots of really neatthings.
So if there's something you'reinterested in doing to give away
, let me know.
I'll be happy to raffle it offto you.
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Hey, art man, thanks forjoining.
Awesome, very cool, greatinformation.
Thank you, no way, man.
Thank you for listening.
I appreciate the feedback y'all.
We're getting a little bit moreof it now, so it's really cool
to see everyone.
Oh, wlpc in Spain, september12th through 16th.
Just look at the WLPCcom.
Anyway, that's, I think, allI've got.
Wba World Congress is coming upin Dallas.
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If you're part of the WBA or ifyou want to find out what's
going on.
Go look up the WirelessBroadband Alliance.
It's a phenomenal show.
It happens in Dallas.
Lots of good information there,very similar format to Wi-Fi.
Now there's a couple of othershows that are happening between
now and then.
Nothing too big, but Cisco Liveis coming up.
So if you're going to be atCisco Live, you know, give me a
shout out.
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San Diego this year with theKillers and a big party.
So Cisco Live is going to begreat.
I'm going to be going back andforth between there and San
Clemente, california, helpingsupport a surfing event.
Let me win something and I'llsend you something you wanted in
Phoenix.
Oh, my god, man, dude, I mean,I can do a raffle for a Wi-Fi
stand any day.
Should we do a raffle for aWi-Fi stand?
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I think you have one, mark, Idon't know.
You guys want to do a rafflefor a Wi-Fi stand.
Let's do this, man.
Let's try it.
Let's give it a couple minuteshere.
If you're listening to thestream, do me a favor and go to
the YouTube channel, go toyoutubecom, slash at wireless
(31:03):
nerd and get over to theYouTubeaffle.
Even if there's only three ofus, I'll give out a wifi stand.
You know what?
I won't just give out wifistand.
Let's do a, an accessory, fromthere.
So if there's something thatyou want, uh, let me know and I
will.
Uh, I'll do it.
So let me get into the little,the little giveaway screen over
here and we'll see what we got.
What we're going to do is we'regoing to do the same thing we
did last week, which is you'vegot to type a keyword and if you
type that keyword, it's goingto recognize you as someone
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who's typed it in, and if youpop in that keyword, then I'll
draw your name.
So we've got a couple ofviewers in there.
Again, if you're listening on X,go to youtubecom, slash at
wireless nerd, and I'm going togive you a few minutes here.
We'll see if we can get somepeople on there.
If not, mark, your chances arelooking very, very, very good,
my friend.
They're looking very good forwinning this.
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I'll give you them.
If you win and you're the onlyone in here, man, I'll give you
the run of the house.
You can pick whatever you want,anyway, all right.
Well, I think that's enough timewhere we've sent it out over
there.
We've had a couple minutes andI don't even know how many
visitors there are, but let'stry this.
Mark you ready?
So what I need you to do istype the keyword oh, what are we
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going to use here?
Wi-fi stand.
Keyword Wi-Fi stand.
Type Wi-Fi stand into the chaton YouTube.
And I'm going to give it a fewminutes.
And stand into the chat onYouTube.
I'm going to give it a fewminutes and if I see one or two
pop up, then I'll wait and thenwe'll do it.
Here we go.
Do-do-do-do, enter your waitmusic.
Now I wonder if there's stilltime to go see the Giants.
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I don't even know if they'replaying.
I think they're playingColorado Rockies.
Anyway, oh, look at that atthat.
Oh, we got another one.
Oh, mark, you said wi-fi stand.
Okay, hold on.
Oh, I messed up.
Let me try it again.
Viewers, regulars, moderators,all right, the keyword is wi-fi
stand.
And here we go.
Okay, there we go.
Wi-fi stand, wi-fi stand.
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Oh, mark, you have somecompetition.
My friend, there's a few people.
That's in there, make sure,type it again.
If you haven't, if it doesn'thighlight, type it again.
Aliron Gonzalez, mark Houtslet's see One word Wi-Fi stand.
All one word.
Dan, all one word.
Let's see why is this showinganother name?
I don't know, that's like chatbot or night bot or something
(33:15):
like that.
I'm waiting.
I'm waiting, dan, if you, ifyou want to type it again, like,
let me do like this let's seeType Wi-Fi stand, there we go.
Maybe that'll be helpful inmore real time.
There we go.
Look at this.
Hey, okay, it's registered.
So, dan, you're registered.
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Mark, you're registered, aliron, you're registered.
You guys are in there.
There's three.
Okay, I have all three of youin there.
Ferdinand's not even typing itin.
We've got three entries.
All right, what do you guys?
This is Brad Pitt.
Hello, brad, how are you Allright, you guys ready?
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I'm like the worst at giveaways, man, and I'm just staring at
the screen here.
Let me see if I can load upwhat I'm looking at here.
No, I can't load it up.
Okay, y'all ready.
Oh, mario's in there.
Hey, mario, no, one word.
Dude, you got to write it allas one word.
Mario, if you guys don't knowCleverFi, free plug for CleverFi
, check out CleverFi.
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Mario has a really cool dealand he rented a Cybertruck at
Dude.
Where were we, like CES orwherever we were, and you went
driving around in that thing.
Yeah, man, that was pretty cool.
Come on, mario, type it in.
Right, how do you change thename to Brad Pitt?
Sorry, brad, you're going tohave to call Angelina and she's
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going to help you out with that.
Let's see if I can send thismessage to Madhavan and tell him
hey, you have to.
Oh, there you go.
All right, get Winnow, getWinnow.
Okay, that's four.
Should we wait a little bitlonger?
I think I'm going to cut thiswhole part out of the podcast
once we publish it, but this iskind of fun.
What do you guys want me to giveaway?
Why don't you type that in?
Do you want a Wi-Fi stand?
Do you want an Excel?
Do you want one of the lightstands?
Oh, you don't want my flatstands.
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The flat stands are pretty cool.
The vertical mount We've got avertical mount.
I wonder if I have any.
I wonder what else is there, Idon't know.
All right, I think that'senough time.
Man Winner, winner, chickendinner.
Okay, you guys ready, you ready,you ready, you ready.
Choose a winner.
The winner is Dan Spulecki.
(35:26):
You are the winner, my friend.
It randomly chose you, which isexciting.
Winner.
Winner, chicken dinner.
Send me a message.
Drew at wifi standcomcom, and Iwill tell you what you want, and
what I'll do is basically sayjump on the website and choose
something, I'll give you a promocode for it.
Hey, but y'all so much fun,dude.
(35:47):
You guys are just fun to playalong with, and I want you to
know that I really appreciate it.
Uh, I don't have 10,000 viewerson here yet, but, uh, viewers
on here yet.
But what's a flat stand?
Oh, I'll show you.
Man, if you go to wifi standcom, look up the little flat stand.
Anyway, all right, y'all.
No toys for you.
Drew this timer.
I know, mark, dude, you're,you're bound to win just out of
(36:10):
sheer, just out of sheervelocity at some point.
Anyway, so, dan,congratulations.
Thanks for listening, man, Ireally appreciate it.
We'll get you squared away.
Make sure you send me an emailand we'll go to drew at wifi
standcom, d-r-e-w at wifistandcom.
Send me a message and we'll getyou squared away.
(36:30):
Anyway, thank you so much forlistening.
I, you know I enjoy doing this.
Plus, my backdrop's kind ofcool and the sun went down, so
it's totally time to go.
Have yourself a wonderful week.
I fly home tomorrow, which isfantastic.
Enjoy your weekend and I willtalk to you all next week.
For now, see you later.
Thanks for listening.
Bye.
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