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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, it's a day before Christmas 2024.
Drew Lynch, the wireless nerd.
It's been a couple of weekssince I've done a podcast and
let me tell you.
First of all, there's been awhole lot of stuff going on
which is insane in and of itself.
Second of all, I've been sobusy, having such just an
incredible time.
I posted a video from a projectthat I was doing out in
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California and I know that I youknow sad excuse for a podcast,
if you will, but I posted thatone because I thought that
that'd be pretty cool to see oneof the projects that I get to
work on.
I'm having a pretty tremendoustime doing stuff with Euro.
It is, it's man, I'm having ablast.
So it's been a minute, not forany reason other than I just
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haven't had a minute, but it'sbeen a minute not for any reason
other than I just haven't had aminute.
But that's okay.
Sometimes life gets in the way.
But I do want to make sure thatI start to schedule this a
little bit better and be morediligent about making sure that
everything gets recorded,because I've had people ask me
Drew, where are you, what areyou doing, what are you up to?
So here I am everybody.
Let me make sure that I ambroadcasting this.
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Oh, it looks like we're live onx.
That's fantastic.
Let me make sure that, uh, thatthe fun audience all y'all over
at linkedin.
Let me make sure linkedin'sdoing well, I got a little break
here after some shopping.
Just had to make one lastlittle target run, got that
knocked out and now I am.
Oh, it looks like I am live onthe internet, so that's
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fantastic, all right.
So golly, I don't even knowwhere to start.
First of all, happy holidays toeverybody.
I hope you're doing well.
I hope everybody is having afantastic holiday time, getting
to spend some time with thefamily, getting this wrap-up
projects, get ready for the newyear.
This is that dead zone rightbetween, like thanksgiving and
then stretching all the way outuntil January 22nd.
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It feels like I don't know whyit's always like the 22nd.
That's the date that peopleseem to come back to life after
the holiday break.
So let's see what happens.
Let's see if any work gets done.
This is also a really good timefor lots of announcements that
come about.
I know that CES is coming upand NRF is coming up as well.
Those are two of my favoriteshows to be at and I will be at
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both of them.
Give me one second, let mecheck my audio here and make
sure that that works.
Yeah, sweet.
So I will be at both of those.
I'll be at CES the first weekin January.
I'll be at NRF the second weekin January and then I've got a
break for about a week and thenI am going on an incredible
journey to do some awesomeoutdoor wireless that I am not
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going to talk about yet but,true to the name of the show,
waves, there will be some wavesinvolved in one way, shape or
form.
So I'm very, very excited aboutwhat's happening at the end of
January, a project that I get tobe a part of and yeah, I know I
mentioned the project I didthis past week.
I was up in San Francisco, flewout, got to go up to a city
called Occidental California,which is a tiny little town I
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think it's population 900,something like that.
It's up in Western SonomaCounty and I got to go up there
and deploy Wi-Fi using the Eeroproduct for outdoor coverage of
a downtown area, for firstresponders and security,
emergency response, and also forthe community, for people to
use it, for students to use itwhen they're sitting in a
restaurant, for visitors to useit or tourists to use it.
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It's a really cool littleproject and I got to get out
there and get hands-on witheverything, which was really
really neat, and if you know me,you know I like that stuff.
So it was great to be a part ofthat project and I hope to get
involved in more projects likethat, which I think I will.
But there has been some stuffhappening.
Hey, it's fernet.
Como estas amigo?
Good to see you too.
It's good to see you too,fernet, and I know that I will
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be seeing you soon.
We're gonna be at wlpc inphoenix, coming right around the
corner.
Y' mean, this is if you'relooking for a birthday gift or,
I'm sorry, for a Christmas giftto give somebody.
You know WLPC is a good thingto give somebody.
I don't even know if you canregister anymore.
There's so few slots that areleft, but I'm really looking
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forward to seeing everybody inFebruary in Phoenix.
We're just gonna have aslamming good time out there.
There is a golf event takingplace on monday, february 17th,
that the team at echohaus puttogether.
So if you want to join us,reach out to matt or mac or
reach out to myself or any of usthat are going.
I think we're all going to beplaying around the golf early on
monday morning.
So if you're there on the 17th,please come out and join us
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right after right aftervalentine's day.
We're gonna be having some fun.
Can't't wait.
I know, frenay, it's going tobe so great.
Man, I missed you guys in Pragueso much and there's just so
much happening right now and Ifeel real bad about not doing
the podcast, because there wasall this news and then a week
went by and then there was allthis more news and then a week
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went by and now it's like, oh myGod, everybody's getting ready
for the holidays.
Where to next?
So right now I want to talkabout some of the things.
Now I have these flagged from aweek, two weeks ago, seven days
ago, whatever it is.
So I'm going to go through thethings that I've been
highlighting just because I'minterested to see where they are
now.
But there's been so much more.
So I apologize if this isn'tthe most comprehensive podcast
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for what's new and now andwhat's next, but let's see what
I have flagged over the lastcouple of days and weeks and see
if it brings anything up, I'dflag the link.
That's now dead.
So that's fantastic.
We won't be clicking on thatone.
Let's see what about this one?
Oh, the Plume CEO?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fari Diner.
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Diner I don't know how topronounce his last name.
Fari Diner, one of Plume'sfounders, is no longer leading
the Wi-Fi tech specialist.
So Plume if you're aware ofPlume, they've got some really
good relationships and a lot ofpeople use Plume inside their
homes and so there's somethinggoing on over there.
I got to interface with them alittle bit when we were doing
the open Wi-Fi project and theyhave so many deployments that
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I'm wondering what that shift isgoing to be over there.
I think that's why I flagged it, because it's just curious that
something's happening.
Adam Hotchkiss is now servingas the acting CEO, but he was
one of the founders, so I guessthey're still in good hands over
there.
So it'll be interesting to seewhat happens with that.
No word on what was happeningor why he left, but general
manager of the company'sbusiness and business unit,
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product sales and engineeringroles, fry will no longer be
leading the business.
We're grateful for hiscontributions, so that's
interesting.
Let's see what happens to Plumeover the next year.
What a space.
I mean a little close to home.
Right Now that I'm in thisconsumer electronics space where
people's home Wi-Fi Now thatI'm in this consumer electronics
space where people's home Wi-Fithat one stands out to me.
So that's definitely going toput a twist on what I'm looking
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at at CES this year, because nowI'm going from where people are
working and using the productto now how it's affecting their
home lives, and so CES is goingto be a little bit different for
me.
It should be pretty neat.
I still like to see all thetoys and stuff that are out
there, so we'll see what thatbrings up.
Let's see what's the next one.
Right, let's just open upRussian hackers using
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game-changing Wi-Fi hackingtechnique to breach US networks
All right, so we've talked aboutthis.
Man, if you have followed thisshow, you know that we've talked
about these things.
So this is from the Kyiv Post.
This is talking about theability for someone to break
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into a network across the streetfrom the target and leverage
that network to do all thehacking for it.
This is pump up the volume.
The movie with Christian Slaterfrom the 80s which made me
really want to do pirate radio,aside from wireless and all the
other stuff.
This is it man.
This is taking something,finding a vulnerability, doing a
scan using the tools that areavailable on the internet,
finding an open network or anopen device at one location
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that's across the street fromsomething, and then using that
as a jump point to attack thenetwork over Wi-Fi.
So it says Department 28 hasdeveloped a bold new Wi-Fi
attack.
It's not bold and it's not new.
I mean, this is from December3rd, right, but this is stuff
we've been talking about for acouple of years and there hasn't
been a lot of tool sets thathave been introduced in the
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industry to identifyover-the-air attacks and what's
happening Now.
Rogue APs is one thing, right,being able to identify rogue APs
on your network.
But being able to identifydevices that have
vulnerabilities and are beingused to launch attacks at your
network and how they'reassociating is important.
So, like, if a printer isassociating to your network but
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it identifies on your network asa user, there's probably
something wrong there.
So, being able to understandwhat devices are connecting to
your network as a user, there'sprobably something wrong there.
So, being able to understandwhat devices are connecting to
your network, where they'reconnecting from being able to
block out any devices over acertain RSSI threshold or over
an SNR threshold, or trying tomake sure that your Wi-Fi
doesn't bleed out too far intoyour parking lots or across the
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streets.
These are things that are gonnastart to be more commonplace
when it comes to Wi-Fi security,because no one's watching the
airspace.
God, I do this.
Every single time I starttalking about this company man,
I forget their name and I feelso bad every single time I do it
.
But what a great reason for youto go visit my LinkedIn page
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and you'll see that I'll postsome comments from them there.
But if you think about whatthis gives them the ability to
do, what gives nefariouscharacters or bad actors the
ability to do this is using yourWi-Fi against you.
And now it's no longer justabout securing your network and
providing the appropriatesecurity mechanisms on your
operational network, but alsomaking sure your signal doesn't
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go too far out, making sureyou're not available so that
someone across the street canjump on your signal and get into
your network.
So, while the Kyiv Post saysthat this is a bold technique,
it's actually I mean, it'spretty intelligent.
It's using Wi-Fi to break intoWi-Fi and it's.
I mean, it's only a matter oftime, right?
We need to be watching ourairspace much, much better.
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This is where, if Aronia was asponsor, I could talk about
their amazing spectrum analyzerand how cool it is, and then I
could show you one.
But I don't have one andthey're really expensive.
So if you're listening, aronia,I would love one.
If you want to send me one, Iwant to play with it.
If you haven't seen what I'mtalking about, make your way out
to WLPC or look up Aronia.
A-a-r I think it's A-A-R-O-N-I-Athese guys have a pretty
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awesome spectrum analyzer.
Here we go.
This thing is dope man.
And they showed up at WLPC inPrague and they didn't have a
spot or speaking deal.
They just showed up as one ofthe people to see what we were
doing.
And then they took over this.
They commandeered this littletable and popped this equipment
up, and all of us were justimmediately enamored with it.
And Keith said hey, we're goingto make 10 minutes available.
I need you to go on stage andshow everybody what you're doing
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.
So they have these little sitesurvey kits and these little
bundles are put together.
Again, we're talking in the$6,000 range 5,000 euros, it
looks like here and they havesome new products that are
coming out.
The Spectrum V6, I mean, thisthing is so awesome and they can
do everything fromfull-spectrum analysis to
generating signals, to knockingdrones out of the air.
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This little guy over here iscool and this is the one I want.
Look at all these littleproducts, man.
Anyway, the V6, I think this isit 10 megahertz to 8 gigahertz
there you go.
9 kilohertz to 18 gigahertzPretty dope, man.
250 megahertz up to 53 gig Okay, that's one.
If I had to pick one of these,oh, no way, I'm going to go with
the V6 Explorer.
There you go.
9 kilohertz to 110 gigahertz.
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What an awesome freaking device, man.
But I would encourage you ifyou're in the wireless world.
Oh, man, yeah, of course I wantone.
I find the one that's $50,000,right, $60,000, whatever it is.
Anyway, maybe they won't sendme one, but if you're in the
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wireless space, it's no longerjust good enough to look at
whatever security applicationsor threat techniques you have on
your wireless access points.
It's time to start to look atthe airspace for more bold, if
you will, attacks that arecoming over the air.
So if you haven't invested in ahigh-quality spectrum analyzer.
Maybe 2025 is your year tostart looking at that.
It's great products that areout there, and it's time to
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really start looking at thatairspace and taking it seriously
, not just from a coverageperspective, but also from the
perspective of absolute security.
It's important to understandwhat's going on there.
All right, let's see what elseis happening.
Macbooks with 5G cellular mightactually happen.
All right, this piggybacks onanother article that I was
reading about, and it's talkingabout Apple and the new chipsets
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that they are going to beintroducing and what they're
doing with that, and so there'sspeculation.
I guess, if you will, thatApple is building their own
wireless chipsets to go intotheir devices, whether it's the
MacBook or the iPhone, whateverit is, and they've got some
longstanding ties with some ofthe other chip manufacturers
that are out there.
But when they start to bringall of it in-house, then it
becomes what advantages doesthat give the iOS devices?
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What advantages does that givean iPad or an iPhone, whatever
it is?
And from a technologyperspective, granted this one's
mentioning 5G.
We've already seen Wi-Fi 7availability, which is fantastic
, but what is this going to meanas it moves into Wi-Fi 8 and
everything else?
Now, also, when you look at theother chipset I think it's the
U2, is what they're on the UWBchipset.
If you start to look at Applecontrolling all their own
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silicon when it comes towireless whether it's
ultra-wideband or it's 5G orit's traditional wireless
communications or Wi-Fi now youstart to look at what they're
doing, and they've also mademention of some of the things
that they're going to do in home.
There's some new home productsthat they're talking about
coming out with, some stuff thatgoes on your wall, some stuff
to control your internet, a newhome kit adaptations, things
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like that.
So Apple's really moving intothe.
They're really, it seems like,embracing wireless all of a
sudden.
I'm sure that there's a lotmore to the story than that, but
here it is right.
Here they're continuing tousing Qualcomm because it's been
more difficult than Appleexecutives had anticipated to
make their own silicon.
Yeah, no kidding, but we'll seewhere that goes.
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And, like I said, thispiggybacks.
I think the next article isabout Apple's devices.
They're more Macs headsets withbuilt-in cellular data.
The company is prepping thethree-year rollout to replace
Qualcomm.
So three years.
Sorry, I'm not a Bloombergsubscriber, but hey, Bloomberg,
if you're listening, you shouldgive me a subscription.
That's kind of cool.
But no, maybe that'll work,maybe it won't work.
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Anyway, they're talking aboutagain making their own silicone
and doing a lot more with theirproducts.
So Apple's making some moves.
We'll see what they do cominginto 2025 and beyond into 2025
and beyond.
They don't have a presence atCES, so I'm not expecting any
hoopla from them there, butit'll be interesting to see what
devices are going to start tointerface with that.
One of the things I haven'tmessed with on the Eero product
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and hey, look at that, hold on,this is hilarious.
It's like it's listening to me.
Look, there's someadvertisements by the marketing
team for Eero on the side.
I totally sound like a shill,not a shill.
I'm curious.
I wasn't going to talk aboutthe Wi-Fi.
I was going to talk about whatthey're doing with Matter and
with Thread on the devices.
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I haven't even had a chance toplay with that yet.
I haven't used that wholeintegrated functionality.
I don't know if anyone has Mark, maybe you or Fernay.
I don't know if either one ofyou has talked about this stuff
or have used those all-in-onethings and specifically what
you're using Thread for and howthat all culminates, but I've
never used that all-in-onedevice functionality and so
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Eero's got it built in.
So I'm looking forward totrying that out.
The Charter CEO says we need tobreak through against fixed
wireless access.
Charter CEO Chris Winfrey sayshis industry needs to do more to
tell customers a cable deliversbetter performance and
reliability than fixed wirelessaccess and that cable providers
provides a better broadband andmobile bundle.
I mean, listen, if you can runa wire, run a wire.
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I mean, I think everyone in thewireless industry will tell you
that If you can run a wire, runa wire.
But this isn't a battle.
You know this isn't like.
Well, I guess for them it isright because you've got
t-mobile, verizon, att nowpushing the 5g stuff and I guess
that looks like it might bestarting to impact some of them.
I don't know that that'smentioned anywhere.
I'm sure it is that they'rehaving these.
You know impacts from fixedwireless.
But I mean I think I guess Itake it for granted we're all
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nerds that if you're listeningto this you're probably a nerd
that cable does provide great,reliable access, but that's not
always true, man.
I mean I'm not going to lie.
I live in a neighborhood andwe're served by my local cable
provider and most of the time itworks pretty well, but for the
time that it doesn't work well,I've got a satellite
disconnected Starlink on my roof, and when that doesn't work
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well, I've got a Verizon cardthat I can tether onto as well.
So it's fascinating.
I don't think the solution isever one over the other.
I think it's always gonna be acombination of multiples.
I think if using the internetto do your business or to work
or to create content or whateverit is, is your job, then back
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it up, man.
Make sure you've got multipleWAN ports, make sure you have
some way to fail over from oneto the other to the other.
So I wouldn't rely on anysingle thing if I didn't have to
and in environments where I do,I don't like to I always like
to make sure that I've got sometype of backup ready.
Mark, speaking of kudos to youfor using the wireless backup
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stuff, that oh, it wasn't evenyou, mark, it was freaking Ali,
sorry, that was using thewireless backup for the lab.
That was pretty cool, man, thatwas fun to read about.
Speaking of wireless, oh, checkthis out.
Look, it's pretty neat.
A new Wi-Fi Halo developer kitwill accelerate Wi-Fi-based IoT,
says Morse Micro.
Okay, I'm very excited aboutthis because Morse Micro is
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going to be at CES and they'vetalked about things that they're
going to be presenting thereand opening up for the first
time.
Okay, while I'm talking aboutthat, let me show you something.
Dude, I have not had a chanceto play with this yet and I'm
bummed about that because thisis so freaking cool.
This is an Edgecore EAP112.
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They sent me these engineeringunits to play with and if you
look right on the front, rightthere, man, I don't know if you
can see it.
Look at this, ready.
I don't know if you can see itright there.
No, it's not zooming the wayit's supposed to.
Oh, look, there it goes.
There it goes, there it goes.
It says Halo, halo to you too.
Oh man, I am stoked about this.
I am also way out of focus.
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I'm very excited about Wi-FiHalo.
I'm super excited about Wi-FiHalo, and let me tell you why.
Because back in the day when Istarted doing internet service
provider stuff and this istimely, because the guy who I
started doing this with um teenyears ago I just ran into him in
a parking lot.
No, no, he called.
I ran into him in traffic.
Then he called me and weoriginally were going after oil
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and gas.
I mean, that was a whole thing.
It was like we can go out inoil fields in rural texas and we
can shoot internet to theirpumps so that we can collect and
aggregate data and then sendthat data back to whatever
control board they have.
And this is like all RS-232over wireless and it was like,
oh my God, what do you mean?
We don't have to send someoneout in a truck to go check all
the well sites as they movearound the area.
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And it was huge and that 900megahertz stuff, that spectrum
was so great and it was notgeneral dynamics, ge, ge, mds,
the mds radios, man, those 900megahertz radios were incredible
and there were a couple peoplethat came in that space to try
to compete in that space.
Man, I remember motorola canopyused to make a 900 megahertz
subscriber module and that thinghad like this ridiculous
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antenna on it but people lovedit because they didn't care.
It solved the problem that theyhad and that low throughput,
long range thing has been.
People have been trying tofigure out the best way to do
that for a long time.
So inner Wi-Fi, halo, right.
What Wi-Fi Halo does is itoperates in that space, that 900
megahertz space, and it givesyou this distance.
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That is just insane.
I mean, it gives you huge, hugedistances and at those
distances, before you had torely on whatever the proprietary
protocol was or whatever theproprietary equipment
manufacturer was, and onewouldn't work with the other, so
on and so forth.
Well, with Halo it's Wi-Fi.
It's Wi-Fi, but it's over 900megahertz.
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So it's all the same stuff.
As long as the equipment cantransmit and receive in that
spectrum, you're good to go.
And it's not as low throughputas it used to be, I think.
I think it is 36 megabit persecond.
I want to say wi-fi.
Halo 80 to 11 ah uses subgigahertz spectrum frequencies
in the global ism band between850 and 950 megahertz.
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It offers advantages, blah,blah, blah, blah, 10 times
advantage.
Hold on.
There's.
There is something in herewhere it talks about the
throughput and I want to sayit's, it's 36 megabit per second
.
And it's something like I thinkthere's 5, 10, 15, 20, 40
megahertz channels, I don't know.
Mark's on here, mark house is onhere and he's he's messed with
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this stuff too.
So, mark, well, okay, from 1 toeight megahertz in width, 60
megahertz channels are alsospecified.
And look at this here.
Let's share the screen outright here.
This is from advertise,advertise microwave.
Let's see, here we go.
Wi-fi 6, wi-fi Halo onekilometer average, 8,000 devices
.
Okay, that's I'm sure.
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Yeah, wi-fi 6, 2000 devices onan ap yeah, okay, next slide.
This just lost all credibility.
Real quick, low powerconsumption.
So it's got the target waittime stuff, which is really neat
.
Yeah, one, two, four, six,eighteen and sixteen.
I thought there was a higherone in there, but this is
showing 86.7 megabit per secondin a 16 megahertz channel, or
347 megabit per second whiledoing my 4x4 and using 16
megahertz channels.
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I don't know what the morsemicro stuff is out there that
they've worked with and I don'tknow what this eep 11.
Let's look it up real quick.
The eep 11 to the one.
One, two this is the edge coreone that I just got.
I got a box of these dude.
They sent me four of them, so Iget to, I get to actually mesh
stuff together.
I'm totally stoked.
They even sent me a camera thatI could use to connect to it,
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because what's so dope aboutthis is it's not only long range
at low throughput, it's longrange good enough to connect a
camera into.
So there's a YouTuber that didthis deal where he walked around
and he walked down to the endof his block to see how far Halo
would reach and it was really,really neat.
So Mark is saying on the chat ifyou can't see the chat, mark is
saying 900 megahertz has a highnoise floor.
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Mostly I would agree with thatin rural areas or in city areas
or in populous areas, but out inthe middle of nowhere I wonder
what 900 still looks like.
I've only found the fourmegahertz wide channels gear,
but I've tested more Morse microstuff yet.
Hey, I will bring this stuff toWLPC.
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I think we should have some funwith it and I don't think the
guys from Edgecore are going tocare.
Mark, it's on, let's have somefun man.
Let's test this out there.
Let's come up with somecreative way that we can put
this in a real world lab at WLPC.
I'm going to be pretty swampedbetween now and then.
So I apologize to Edgecore.
I know you sent me this stuff.
I know you're dying to hear agreat review of it, but I
haven't had a chance to plug itin yet.
But what I will do is I'll takeit to some of the bigger nerds
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out there and we'll have a blastwith it.
So WLPC, let's do it.
We're going to have a good time.
Mark says on the salt flats.
It was still pretty high, sothe salt flats out in utah, it
looks like there was still somehigh noise floor that was out
there.
So I'm I'm stoked.
If you can't tell, let's starttalking faster.
I love it.
I'm really.
I'm really excited about wi-fihalo and what that means from a
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connectivity perspective.
Also, from a mesh perspective.
You can mesh halo together,which is pretty cool too, so you
can jump from one to the otherto the other, which means these
low power devices you can powersolar or wind or whatever it is,
and you can feed that data back.
So Wi-Fi Halo definitelysomething that's really cool.
Troy Martin did a really coolpresentation about Wi-Fi Halo, I
think, last year at WLPC, sothis year we will have some fun.
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I need to get my WLAN pieworking with Halo.
Yeah, dude, I'm bringing thedevices.
So if you're interested in thisstuff, we.
So if you're interested in thisstuff, we're going to have some
fun at WLPC.
I have a feeling we're going tobe breaking things and I'm
totally cool with that.
I think I actually am going tobring more than just the Wi-Fi
Halo stuff, and we'll see if wecan have a good time with it.
All right, nextivity and LGcombine on private 5G DAS
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devices and services.
This stood out to me becauseNextivity, you know, when I
think about DAS, I think abouttraditional DAS.
Nextivity kind of popped up andstarted doing things that other
people weren't doing.
They made a low-cost adaptationof DAS and it got a lot of
really good reviews.
Nextivity has been deployed allover the place and it's simple,
right, it's super simple.
And now they're partnering upwith LG.
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There's so much stuff happeningin the DAS space and I think
that it's one of those momentswhere DAS has realized that
people need it, but they don'twant to spend the money or they
can't spend the money, they justdon't have the budget for it.
So the LG's so-called private5G ultra slim solution to
Nextivity's DAS infrastructureand 5G IoT apps apparently these
two can come together now andit's a little bit more
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cost-sensitive for people whodon't have the budgets they used
to have.
The purpose, he says, is tocheck interoperability of LG's
enterprise 5G devices withNextGV's CellFi.
Their CellFi has worked reallywell, man, I mean, it's got a
really good name to it.
So they're working on combiningtheir stuff together for
digital signage, point of sale,so forth.
This is just another mover inthe 5g space.
Man, there's so much happeningin private 5g and 5g offload,
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you know, I think there's.
There may be a mention here ofthe iot stuff.
The integrate offering is partof nextivity's iot ai family of
solutions.
Not even that, but like the,the narrowband iot there's I
mean there's the 5g spectrum and5g services are really starting
to do some some, some crazythings now that people are are
finally adopting them right andthey're finding use cases for
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them.
A lot of times it just seemedlike that was the the nail
looking for the hammer, but Ithink now people are starting to
realize what the capability ofsome of this equipment is, and
so we're starting to see moreand more movement.
I still think you know, if theproblem is cell coverage, I
still like the DAS solution.
I like YDAS.
I'm a big fan of AmericanBandwidth and Signal Room.
I love that stuff.
I think it works really wellusing Passpoint for neutral host
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offload.
I'm a huge fan of that.
If you don't have the budgetsto do it, then I mean that's one
way to skin a cat.
That's like from texas.
So I make no apologies, I'mjust gonna let you google that
one.
On to bigger and better news.
Royal caribbean is banningtravel routers from their boats,
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man from their ships.
Royal caribbean bans cruisetravel hackies by thousands to
get around crazy wi-Fi feesCrazy.
He says that is a very badattempt at Homestar Runner and
StrongBad.
Just in case a little StrongBadthrowback there for you.
The travel hack was used bypeople, so basically what
they're doing is they're showinghow you can take dude one of my
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favorite devices ever that Ithink it's still in my backpack,
the GLI net.
Man, look here.
Oh yeah, I got the wholeinternet in front of me.
Look at this.
These little guys make thecoolest little travel routers
and, okay, that's a big one.
They have these tiny littlethings, man, that are so great.
If you've never used the GLInet like, look at this mini
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router, this one right here.
This thing right here has savedmy butt in so many different
places.
I've lit up entire trade showbooths with this deal where I
tether my phone to it and ituses DHCP on there and then I
pump it out the ethernet port.
These little things are soawesome.
I know it's too late to order,but if you're looking for an
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after Christmas present, $27.90.
Let's go.
30 bucks, man.
These things are incredible.
If you've never used one, I'm ahuge, huge fan.
Going back to talking about thewhole, two is one.
One is none when it comes toconnectivity.
If you need a simple solutionto get you out in a pinch where
you need to get something outusing connecting to someone
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else's Wi-Fi or connecting to ahotspot Wi-Fi or connecting, you
know, via USB tethering to yourphone, dude, this is the bomb
right here.
I love these.
I don't.
I love these.
These are the best Like.
They're so, so good.
Everybody should have one withevery.
Any nerd who does connectivityshould travel with one of these,
because they will save yourbutt in a pinch.
(27:59):
But that being said, let me goback through all my tabs I have
open over here.
Where was it, man?
Oh, here it is.
So what was happening is someonetold the cruise industry that
they may I guess they made likesome YouTubes or whatever and
said, hey, a way to get aroundit is use this so that you
connect your travel router tothe Wi-Fi and then, on the back
end, you can connect all yourdevices to a travel router so
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that you're only using a singleMAC address that you pay for,
instead of 15 different MACaddresses for you and your kids,
and your phone and your watchand the tablets and the switches
and all the other stuff.
And so now Royal Caribbean'scracking down on this.
They say they are off limits,with reports of the item in
question being confiscated inrecent weeks.
Everyone loves the holiday hack, but now it's gonna cost you.
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It banned this, quoting cybersecurity and deliberate
electronic crime.
Reasoning, man, whatever, I'venever gone on a cruise.
I can't, like, I don't, I don'tknow, man, and I would imagine,
if I'm out on a cruise, Iprobably just want to chill,
unless it's like one of the funones with Disney or whatever,
and the kids get to run off anddo Disney stuff.
But they're saying that.
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Now this is one article $12 forthree hours of coverage at two
megabit per second.
And then I saw another articlewhere they're cranking the
coverage up even more and it'slike hey, hey, one of these
cruise ship operators, man, like, get your shit together.
That's not cool, man.
Everybody relies on this stuffand you don't like that's not
cool, that's just not cool,that's all.
That's all I have to say aboutthat true's opinion.
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You know what really grinds mygears?
Oh man, what's this thing?
Innophase iot mines, wi-fi forlossless audio?
Oh yeah, so somewhere hidingbehind this ridiculous
advertisement, there's anarticle about lossless audio
using Wi-Fi for lossless audio.
And it's not using the Wi-Fiprotocol, it's using the space.
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I believe it's using thespectrum.
So CES in Vegas 120 worker teamsprepping a shelf, several
product demonstrations.
I want to go by and see this.
It says that they have demos ofthe Venetian suite 29-221,
january 7th through 10th byappointment.
Oh yeah, let's see if I canfill that out live on the
podcast, man.
Anyway, I want to see what thismeans and I want to see whoa.
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Alright, I want to see whatthis is going to do to spectrum
dude, I need to roll in therewith a spectrum analyzer and be
like go ahead, bro, and thenturn it on and see what happens
when that's going off.
New ui ap lineup, not lineuplineup.
I know, look at this dude.
Ubiquity launched.
They launched some new stuff.
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Look, they launched some newaccess points.
Man, so, so stoked for theseguys.
When they did Mobility Field,they talked about 11 new SKUs or
12 new SKUs.
So I also want someone toexplain the Prism chipset.
So if you work at Ubiquiti andyou see this dude hit me up, I
want to know what does the Prismchipset do that makes it so
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much different?
Look, because it's at the heartof every commercial.
What does it do that's so muchdifferent than anything else,
and why is it better?
Okay, so there's two ethernetports on there.
You can have those run to twodifferent switches.
I think you could lag them tothe last.
The last conversation we hadwith the team over there at
mobility field day, what I willsay is that I hope, I really
hope, you can turn off that big,bright blue light behind the ap
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, because that right friend, nodice, I turn off every light
that I can.
They've got some new APs thatare coming out.
This thing holy moly that's.
I mean Wi-Fi at massive scaleMaybe that's the one that
they're talking about that has2,000 subs per unit.
I don't know, I've neverdeployed this stuff.
If you want to talk to someonewho's deployed this stuff and
you haven't been to the Unifyshows, go talk to my homeboy,
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daryl DeRogia.
Everybody loves Daryl DeRogia.
Daryl is the Kevin Bacon of theWi-Fi industry.
As I referred to him a coupleof weeks ago, daryl is a
phenomenal individual who runsthe network at the FedEx Forum,
where the Memphis Grizzlies play, and he will be at WLPC, and if
you really want to know howthis stuff works, I'm not the
expert on it, but he is maybenot the expert on it, but he's
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probably one of the biggestpower users of ubiquity in the
world.
So I would definitely say look,there's this fedex form right
there, go talk to him about it.
The new stuff that they have, Imean great videos, great product
video, okay, very good.
Look, there's someone on stageshowing that there's wi-fi for
crowds.
This is good.
The, the U7 Pro Max Tri-Radio 2, 4, 5 gig and 6 gig, eight
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spatial streams on this one, 10spatial streams on the U6.
That's pretty cool that one'srunning Wi-Fi 6E and then Wi-Fi
7 over here.
So they have some new APs thatare out there in the marketplace
.
Very cool, very happy for them.
This was an interesting articleas well.
A new open source radiotelescope can see Wi-Fi signals
through walls.
So I read this whole articleand then I went back and watched
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this whole YouTube video and,spoiler alert, it doesn't work
the way that they want it to.
So don't waste your timereading that article.
If they do something neatwithin the future, it will be
awesome.
Check this out From the IEEESpectrum.
Shapeshifting antenna takes cuefrom the expanse.
Inspired sci-fi show shows.
The device morphs to suit itssignal.
Yeah, there's no video of thisthough, is there?
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So an antenna shape determineswhat kind of signals it can work
with.
So if you can change the waythat the antenna, the shape of
the antenna, then it can workwith more signals in different
areas ranging here it is righthere frequencies ranging from 4
to 11 gigahertz pretty cool.
Oh, look, now I'm gettingadvertisements for glinet.
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So interesting.
I haven't read this wholearticle.
I'm not gonna lie.
I'm not gonna try and talkabout it since I've read it.
There's that man.
There's like oh, look at this.
Spacex eyes, two gigabit persecond shooting down from space.
Man, what a time we live in.
We got 2 gig internet comingdown from space.
We've got wi-fi halo that canexpand using 900 megahertz all
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over the place.
We've got 5g dropping costsfinally finding use cases.
We've got wi-fi.
That is, that is, you know,doing incredible things inside
people's homes, but it also canbe attacked from outside of a
network.
There's so much stuff to do, somuch stuff to talk about.
It's a good time and I hope thatthe season was good to you.
I'm going to cut it short.
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For today it's been 30 minutes.
You know I try and keep these30 minutes and that'd be nice.
Mark, I appreciate you hangingout the whole time.
It's always awesome to knowthat I have at least one person
in the audience listening.
But if you're listening to this, please try and make your way
to WLPC in Phoenix.
We will all be there.
Come by, say hi, give me a highfive.
We'll be doing a podcast fromout there.
I'll probably go live.
I really liked what I did inPrague two years ago, when we
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sat down at the bar and we justturned on the camera and started
chit-chatting with people.
That was really fun.
So I might do that again thisyear, and January is going to be
nuts.
If you're out at CES, please,please, holler at me and let's
go look at some of this techtogether.
I love other people'sperspective and opinions.
If you're at the NRF show,which is National Retail
Federation in New York City,that show talks about everything
and all the technology forretail and restaurants and
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things like that, and it is sucha great show because there's
innovation that happens therethat's going to affect your
day-to-day lives.
It your day-to-day lives.
It's going to affect the waythat you interact with the world
.
It's going to affect the waythat people expect wireless to
work.
I think that's why I go to CESevery year.
Ces sets the expectation of howWi-Fi should work and it
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doesn't dig into why it shouldwork the way it does.
It just says, hey, here's thebrand new TV that streams 8K.
It's the size of a wall andyour Wi-Fi should support it.
Have a nice day.
So that's that side of theindustry, and for us people who
have to figure out how to makeall of it come together, that's
why I like to go to the show.
So please feel free to reachout to me if you're going to be
there.
If not, I really, really hopeto see you at WLPC in February.
Again, february 17th is aMonday, that's when we're
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playing golf, and then the showstarts on the 18th and then the
boot camps start before that.
So if you want some moreinformation, just Google the
WLPC in Phoenix.
Merry Christmas, happy holidays.
Sorry, I'm two weeks late onthis thing, but I hope you
understand and if you get achance to listen to this on an
airplane or whatever, have agood time and shout out to
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American Airlines.
My kid loves the little Biscoffcookies and they gave me a
whole pack of cookies to bringhome for the kiddo to say Merry
Christmas from American Airlines.
So Merry Christmas, happyHanukkah and all of the other
holidays that you celebratearound this time.
I hope you have some great timewith your family, enjoy it, and
I will be talking to you soonfrom some really interesting and
fun locations.
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Until then, I will, let's see.
Next week is New Year's, y'all.
I can't make any promises.
There's also not a lothappening, so I don't know if
we're going to have a podcastnext week.
I will probably jump on andjust say hello to everyone, but
then that first week in Januaryis when we're going to be at CES
, so I'll go live from there.
We'll have a good time.
Anyway, until then, if you needanything, no-transcript.
Oh, it's a day before Christmas 2024.
Drew Lynch, the wireless nerd.
It's been a couple of weekssince I've done a podcast and
let me tell you.
First of all, there's been awhole lot of stuff going on
which is insane in and of itself.
Second of all, I've been sobusy, having such just an
incredible time.
I posted a video from a projectthat I was doing out in
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California and I know that I youknow sad excuse for a podcast,
if you will, but I posted thatone because I thought that
that'd be pretty cool to see oneof the projects that I get to
work on.
I'm having a pretty tremendoustime doing stuff with Euro.
It is, it's man, I'm having ablast.
So it's been a minute, not forany reason other than I just
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haven't had a minute, but it'sbeen a minute not for any reason
other than I just haven't had aminute.
But that's okay.
Sometimes life gets in the way.
But I do want to make sure thatI start to schedule this a
little bit better and be morediligent about making sure that
everything gets recorded,because I've had people ask me
Drew, where are you, what areyou doing, what are you up to?
So here I am everybody.
Let me make sure that I ambroadcasting this.
(01:03):
Oh, it looks like we're live onx.
That's fantastic.
Let me make sure that, uh, thatthe fun audience all y'all over
at linkedin.
Let me make sure linkedin'sdoing well, I got a little break
here after some shopping.
Just had to make one lastlittle target run, got that
knocked out and now I am.
Oh, it looks like I am live onthe internet, so that's
(01:26):
fantastic, all right.
So golly, I don't even knowwhere to start.
First of all, happy holidays toeverybody.
I hope you're doing well.
I hope everybody is having afantastic holiday time, getting
to spend some time with thefamily, getting this wrap-up
projects, get ready for the newyear.
This is that dead zone rightbetween, like thanksgiving and
then stretching all the way outuntil January 22nd.
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It feels like I don't know whyit's always like the 22nd.
That's the date that peopleseem to come back to life after
the holiday break.
So let's see what happens.
Let's see if any work gets done.
This is also a really good timefor lots of announcements that
come about.
I know that CES is coming upand NRF is coming up as well.
Those are two of my favoriteshows to be at and I will be at
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both of them.
Give me one second, let mecheck my audio here and make
sure that that works.
Yeah, sweet.
So I will be at both of those.
I'll be at CES the first weekin January.
I'll be at NRF the second weekin January and then I've got a
break for about a week and thenI am going on an incredible
journey to do some awesomeoutdoor wireless that I am not
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going to talk about yet but,true to the name of the show,
waves, there will be some wavesinvolved in one way, shape or
form.
So I'm very, very excited aboutwhat's happening at the end of
January, a project that I get tobe a part of and yeah, I know I
mentioned the project I didthis past week.
I was up in San Francisco, flewout, got to go up to a city
called Occidental California,which is a tiny little town I
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think it's population 900,something like that.
It's up in Western SonomaCounty and I got to go up there
and deploy Wi-Fi using the Eeroproduct for outdoor coverage of
a downtown area, for firstresponders and security,
emergency response, and also forthe community, for people to
use it, for students to use itwhen they're sitting in a
restaurant, for visitors to useit or tourists to use it.
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It's a really cool littleproject and I got to get out
there and get hands-on witheverything, which was really
really neat, and if you know me,you know I like that stuff.
So it was great to be a part ofthat project and I hope to get
involved in more projects likethat, which I think I will.
But there has been some stuffhappening.
Hey, it's fernet.
Como estas amigo?
Good to see you too.
It's good to see you too,fernet, and I know that I will
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be seeing you soon.
We're gonna be at wlpc inphoenix, coming right around the
corner.
Y' mean, this is if you'relooking for a birthday gift or,
I'm sorry, for a Christmas giftto give somebody.
You know WLPC is a good thingto give somebody.
I don't even know if you canregister anymore.
There's so few slots that areleft, but I'm really looking
(03:57):
forward to seeing everybody inFebruary in Phoenix.
We're just gonna have aslamming good time out there.
There is a golf event takingplace on monday, february 17th,
that the team at echohaus puttogether.
So if you want to join us,reach out to matt or mac or
reach out to myself or any of usthat are going.
I think we're all going to beplaying around the golf early on
monday morning.
So if you're there on the 17th,please come out and join us
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right after right aftervalentine's day.
We're gonna be having some fun.
Can't't wait.
I know, frenay, it's going tobe so great.
Man, I missed you guys in Pragueso much and there's just so
much happening right now and Ifeel real bad about not doing
the podcast, because there wasall this news and then a week
went by and then there was allthis more news and then a week
(04:40):
went by and now it's like, oh myGod, everybody's getting ready
for the holidays.
Where to next?
So right now I want to talkabout some of the things.
Now I have these flagged from aweek, two weeks ago, seven days
ago, whatever it is.
So I'm going to go through thethings that I've been
highlighting just because I'minterested to see where they are
now.
But there's been so much more.
So I apologize if this isn'tthe most comprehensive podcast
(05:03):
for what's new and now andwhat's next, but let's see what
I have flagged over the lastcouple of days and weeks and see
if it brings anything up, I'dflag the link.
That's now dead.
So that's fantastic.
We won't be clicking on thatone.
Let's see what about this one?
Oh, the Plume CEO?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fari Diner.
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Diner I don't know how topronounce his last name.
Fari Diner, one of Plume'sfounders, is no longer leading
the Wi-Fi tech specialist.
So Plume if you're aware ofPlume, they've got some really
good relationships and a lot ofpeople use Plume inside their
homes and so there's somethinggoing on over there.
I got to interface with them alittle bit when we were doing
the open Wi-Fi project and theyhave so many deployments that
(05:47):
I'm wondering what that shift isgoing to be over there.
I think that's why I flagged it, because it's just curious that
something's happening.
Adam Hotchkiss is now servingas the acting CEO, but he was
one of the founders, so I guessthey're still in good hands over
there.
So it'll be interesting to seewhat happens with that.
No word on what was happeningor why he left, but general
manager of the company'sbusiness and business unit,
(06:08):
product sales and engineeringroles, fry will no longer be
leading the business.
We're grateful for hiscontributions, so that's
interesting.
Let's see what happens to Plumeover the next year.
What a space.
I mean a little close to home.
Right Now that I'm in thisconsumer electronics space where
people's home Wi-Fi Now thatI'm in this consumer electronics
space where people's home Wi-Fithat one stands out to me.
So that's definitely going toput a twist on what I'm looking
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at at CES this year, because nowI'm going from where people are
working and using the productto now how it's affecting their
home lives, and so CES is goingto be a little bit different for
me.
It should be pretty neat.
I still like to see all thetoys and stuff that are out
there, so we'll see what thatbrings up.
Let's see what's the next one.
Right, let's just open upRussian hackers using
(06:53):
game-changing Wi-Fi hackingtechnique to breach US networks
All right, so we've talked aboutthis.
Man, if you have followed thisshow, you know that we've talked
about these things.
So this is from the Kyiv Post.
This is talking about theability for someone to break
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into a network across the streetfrom the target and leverage
that network to do all thehacking for it.
This is pump up the volume.
The movie with Christian Slaterfrom the 80s which made me
really want to do pirate radio,aside from wireless and all the
other stuff.
This is it man.
This is taking something,finding a vulnerability, doing a
scan using the tools that areavailable on the internet,
finding an open network or anopen device at one location
(07:37):
that's across the street fromsomething, and then using that
as a jump point to attack thenetwork over Wi-Fi.
So it says Department 28 hasdeveloped a bold new Wi-Fi
attack.
It's not bold and it's not new.
I mean, this is from December3rd, right, but this is stuff
we've been talking about for acouple of years and there hasn't
been a lot of tool sets thathave been introduced in the
(07:57):
industry to identifyover-the-air attacks and what's
happening Now.
Rogue APs is one thing, right,being able to identify rogue APs
on your network.
But being able to identifydevices that have
vulnerabilities and are beingused to launch attacks at your
network and how they'reassociating is important.
So, like, if a printer isassociating to your network but
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it identifies on your network asa user, there's probably
something wrong there.
So, being able to understandwhat devices are connecting to
your network as a user, there'sprobably something wrong there.
So, being able to understandwhat devices are connecting to
your network, where they'reconnecting from being able to
block out any devices over acertain RSSI threshold or over
an SNR threshold, or trying tomake sure that your Wi-Fi
doesn't bleed out too far intoyour parking lots or across the
(08:39):
streets.
These are things that are gonnastart to be more commonplace
when it comes to Wi-Fi security,because no one's watching the
airspace.
God, I do this.
Every single time I starttalking about this company man,
I forget their name and I feelso bad every single time I do it
.
But what a great reason for youto go visit my LinkedIn page
(08:59):
and you'll see that I'll postsome comments from them there.
But if you think about whatthis gives them the ability to
do, what gives nefariouscharacters or bad actors the
ability to do this is using yourWi-Fi against you.
And now it's no longer justabout securing your network and
providing the appropriatesecurity mechanisms on your
operational network, but alsomaking sure your signal doesn't
(09:21):
go too far out, making sureyou're not available so that
someone across the street canjump on your signal and get into
your network.
So, while the Kyiv Post saysthat this is a bold technique,
it's actually I mean, it'spretty intelligent.
It's using Wi-Fi to break intoWi-Fi and it's.
I mean, it's only a matter oftime, right?
We need to be watching ourairspace much, much better.
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This is where, if Aronia was asponsor, I could talk about
their amazing spectrum analyzerand how cool it is, and then I
could show you one.
But I don't have one andthey're really expensive.
So if you're listening, aronia,I would love one.
If you want to send me one, Iwant to play with it.
If you haven't seen what I'mtalking about, make your way out
to WLPC or look up Aronia.
A-a-r I think it's A-A-R-O-N-I-Athese guys have a pretty
(10:05):
awesome spectrum analyzer.
Here we go.
This thing is dope man.
And they showed up at WLPC inPrague and they didn't have a
spot or speaking deal.
They just showed up as one ofthe people to see what we were
doing.
And then they took over this.
They commandeered this littletable and popped this equipment
up, and all of us were justimmediately enamored with it.
And Keith said hey, we're goingto make 10 minutes available.
I need you to go on stage andshow everybody what you're doing
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.
So they have these little sitesurvey kits and these little
bundles are put together.
Again, we're talking in the$6,000 range 5,000 euros, it
looks like here and they havesome new products that are
coming out.
The Spectrum V6, I mean, thisthing is so awesome and they can
do everything fromfull-spectrum analysis to
generating signals, to knockingdrones out of the air.
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This little guy over here iscool and this is the one I want.
Look at all these littleproducts, man.
Anyway, the V6, I think this isit 10 megahertz to 8 gigahertz
there you go.
9 kilohertz to 18 gigahertzPretty dope, man.
250 megahertz up to 53 gig Okay, that's one.
If I had to pick one of these,oh, no way, I'm going to go with
the V6 Explorer.
There you go.
9 kilohertz to 110 gigahertz.
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What an awesome freaking device, man.
But I would encourage you ifyou're in the wireless world.
Oh, man, yeah, of course I wantone.
I find the one that's $50,000,right, $60,000, whatever it is.
Anyway, maybe they won't sendme one, but if you're in the
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wireless space, it's no longerjust good enough to look at
whatever security applicationsor threat techniques you have on
your wireless access points.
It's time to start to look atthe airspace for more bold, if
you will, attacks that arecoming over the air.
So if you haven't invested in ahigh-quality spectrum analyzer.
Maybe 2025 is your year tostart looking at that.
It's great products that areout there, and it's time to
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really start looking at thatairspace and taking it seriously
, not just from a coverageperspective, but also from the
perspective of absolute security.
It's important to understandwhat's going on there.
All right, let's see what elseis happening.
Macbooks with 5G cellular mightactually happen.
All right, this piggybacks onanother article that I was
reading about, and it's talkingabout Apple and the new chipsets
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that they are going to beintroducing and what they're
doing with that, and so there'sspeculation.
I guess, if you will, thatApple is building their own
wireless chipsets to go intotheir devices, whether it's the
MacBook or the iPhone, whateverit is, and they've got some
longstanding ties with some ofthe other chip manufacturers
that are out there.
But when they start to bringall of it in-house, then it
becomes what advantages doesthat give the iOS devices?
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What advantages does that givean iPad or an iPhone, whatever
it is?
And from a technologyperspective, granted this one's
mentioning 5G.
We've already seen Wi-Fi 7availability, which is fantastic
, but what is this going to meanas it moves into Wi-Fi 8 and
everything else?
Now, also, when you look at theother chipset I think it's the
U2, is what they're on the UWBchipset.
If you start to look at Applecontrolling all their own
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silicon when it comes towireless whether it's
ultra-wideband or it's 5G orit's traditional wireless
communications or Wi-Fi now youstart to look at what they're
doing, and they've also mademention of some of the things
that they're going to do in home.
There's some new home productsthat they're talking about
coming out with, some stuff thatgoes on your wall, some stuff
to control your internet, a newhome kit adaptations, things
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like that.
So Apple's really moving intothe.
They're really, it seems like,embracing wireless all of a
sudden.
I'm sure that there's a lotmore to the story than that, but
here it is right.
Here they're continuing tousing Qualcomm because it's been
more difficult than Appleexecutives had anticipated to
make their own silicon.
Yeah, no kidding, but we'll seewhere that goes.
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And, like I said, thispiggybacks.
I think the next article isabout Apple's devices.
They're more Macs headsets withbuilt-in cellular data.
The company is prepping thethree-year rollout to replace
Qualcomm.
So three years.
Sorry, I'm not a Bloombergsubscriber, but hey, Bloomberg,
if you're listening, you shouldgive me a subscription.
That's kind of cool.
But no, maybe that'll work,maybe it won't work.
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Anyway, they're talking aboutagain making their own silicone
and doing a lot more with theirproducts.
So Apple's making some moves.
We'll see what they do cominginto 2025 and beyond into 2025
and beyond.
They don't have a presence atCES, so I'm not expecting any
hoopla from them there, butit'll be interesting to see what
devices are going to start tointerface with that.
One of the things I haven'tmessed with on the Eero product
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and hey, look at that, hold on,this is hilarious.
It's like it's listening to me.
Look, there's someadvertisements by the marketing
team for Eero on the side.
I totally sound like a shill,not a shill.
I'm curious.
I wasn't going to talk aboutthe Wi-Fi.
I was going to talk about whatthey're doing with Matter and
with Thread on the devices.
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I haven't even had a chance toplay with that yet.
I haven't used that wholeintegrated functionality.
I don't know if anyone has Mark, maybe you or Fernay.
I don't know if either one ofyou has talked about this stuff
or have used those all-in-onethings and specifically what
you're using Thread for and howthat all culminates, but I've
never used that all-in-onedevice functionality and so
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Eero's got it built in.
So I'm looking forward totrying that out.
The Charter CEO says we need tobreak through against fixed
wireless access.
Charter CEO Chris Winfrey sayshis industry needs to do more to
tell customers a cable deliversbetter performance and
reliability than fixed wirelessaccess and that cable providers
provides a better broadband andmobile bundle.
I mean, listen, if you can runa wire, run a wire.
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I mean, I think everyone in thewireless industry will tell you
that If you can run a wire, runa wire.
But this isn't a battle.
You know this isn't like.
Well, I guess for them it isright because you've got
t-mobile, verizon, att nowpushing the 5g stuff and I guess
that looks like it might bestarting to impact some of them.
I don't know that that'smentioned anywhere.
I'm sure it is that they'rehaving these.
You know impacts from fixedwireless.
But I mean I think I guess Itake it for granted we're all
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nerds that if you're listeningto this you're probably a nerd
that cable does provide great,reliable access, but that's not
always true, man.
I mean I'm not going to lie.
I live in a neighborhood andwe're served by my local cable
provider and most of the time itworks pretty well, but for the
time that it doesn't work well,I've got a satellite
disconnected Starlink on my roof, and when that doesn't work
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well, I've got a Verizon cardthat I can tether onto as well.
So it's fascinating.
I don't think the solution isever one over the other.
I think it's always gonna be acombination of multiples.
I think if using the internetto do your business or to work
or to create content or whateverit is, is your job, then back
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it up, man.
Make sure you've got multipleWAN ports, make sure you have
some way to fail over from oneto the other to the other.
So I wouldn't rely on anysingle thing if I didn't have to
and in environments where I do,I don't like to I always like
to make sure that I've got sometype of backup ready.
Mark, speaking of kudos to youfor using the wireless backup
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stuff, that oh, it wasn't evenyou, mark, it was freaking Ali,
sorry, that was using thewireless backup for the lab.
That was pretty cool, man, thatwas fun to read about.
Speaking of wireless, oh, checkthis out.
Look, it's pretty neat.
A new Wi-Fi Halo developer kitwill accelerate Wi-Fi-based IoT,
says Morse Micro.
Okay, I'm very excited aboutthis because Morse Micro is
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going to be at CES and they'vetalked about things that they're
going to be presenting thereand opening up for the first
time.
Okay, while I'm talking aboutthat, let me show you something.
Dude, I have not had a chanceto play with this yet and I'm
bummed about that because thisis so freaking cool.
This is an Edgecore EAP112.
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They sent me these engineeringunits to play with and if you
look right on the front, rightthere, man, I don't know if you
can see it.
Look at this, ready.
I don't know if you can see itright there.
No, it's not zooming the wayit's supposed to.
Oh, look, there it goes.
There it goes, there it goes.
It says Halo, halo to you too.
Oh man, I am stoked about this.
I am also way out of focus.
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I'm very excited about Wi-FiHalo.
I'm super excited about Wi-FiHalo, and let me tell you why.
Because back in the day when Istarted doing internet service
provider stuff and this istimely, because the guy who I
started doing this with um teenyears ago I just ran into him in
a parking lot.
No, no, he called.
I ran into him in traffic.
Then he called me and weoriginally were going after oil
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and gas.
I mean, that was a whole thing.
It was like we can go out inoil fields in rural texas and we
can shoot internet to theirpumps so that we can collect and
aggregate data and then sendthat data back to whatever
control board they have.
And this is like all RS-232over wireless and it was like,
oh my God, what do you mean?
We don't have to send someoneout in a truck to go check all
the well sites as they movearound the area.
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And it was huge and that 900megahertz stuff, that spectrum
was so great and it was notgeneral dynamics, ge, ge, mds,
the mds radios, man, those 900megahertz radios were incredible
and there were a couple peoplethat came in that space to try
to compete in that space.
Man, I remember motorola canopyused to make a 900 megahertz
subscriber module and that thinghad like this ridiculous
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antenna on it but people lovedit because they didn't care.
It solved the problem that theyhad and that low throughput,
long range thing has been.
People have been trying tofigure out the best way to do
that for a long time.
So inner Wi-Fi, halo, right.
What Wi-Fi Halo does is itoperates in that space, that 900
megahertz space, and it givesyou this distance.
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That is just insane.
I mean, it gives you huge, hugedistances and at those
distances, before you had torely on whatever the proprietary
protocol was or whatever theproprietary equipment
manufacturer was, and onewouldn't work with the other, so
on and so forth.
Well, with Halo it's Wi-Fi.
It's Wi-Fi, but it's over 900megahertz.
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So it's all the same stuff.
As long as the equipment cantransmit and receive in that
spectrum, you're good to go.
And it's not as low throughputas it used to be, I think.
I think it is 36 megabit persecond.
I want to say wi-fi.
Halo 80 to 11 ah uses subgigahertz spectrum frequencies
in the global ism band between850 and 950 megahertz.
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It offers advantages, blah,blah, blah, blah, 10 times
advantage.
Hold on.
There's.
There is something in herewhere it talks about the
throughput and I want to sayit's, it's 36 megabit per second
.
And it's something like I thinkthere's 5, 10, 15, 20, 40
megahertz channels, I don't know.
Mark's on here, mark house is onhere and he's he's messed with
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this stuff too.
So, mark, well, okay, from 1 toeight megahertz in width, 60
megahertz channels are alsospecified.
And look at this here.
Let's share the screen outright here.
This is from advertise,advertise microwave.
Let's see, here we go.
Wi-fi 6, wi-fi Halo onekilometer average, 8,000 devices
.
Okay, that's I'm sure.
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Yeah, wi-fi 6, 2000 devices onan ap yeah, okay, next slide.
This just lost all credibility.
Real quick, low powerconsumption.
So it's got the target waittime stuff, which is really neat
.
Yeah, one, two, four, six,eighteen and sixteen.
I thought there was a higherone in there, but this is
showing 86.7 megabit per secondin a 16 megahertz channel, or
347 megabit per second whiledoing my 4x4 and using 16
megahertz channels.
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I don't know what the morsemicro stuff is out there that
they've worked with and I don'tknow what this eep 11.
Let's look it up real quick.
The eep 11 to the one.
One, two this is the edge coreone that I just got.
I got a box of these dude.
They sent me four of them, so Iget to, I get to actually mesh
stuff together.
I'm totally stoked.
They even sent me a camera thatI could use to connect to it,
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because what's so dope aboutthis is it's not only long range
at low throughput, it's longrange good enough to connect a
camera into.
So there's a YouTuber that didthis deal where he walked around
and he walked down to the endof his block to see how far Halo
would reach and it was really,really neat.
So Mark is saying on the chat ifyou can't see the chat, mark is
saying 900 megahertz has a highnoise floor.
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Mostly I would agree with thatin rural areas or in city areas
or in populous areas, but out inthe middle of nowhere I wonder
what 900 still looks like.
I've only found the fourmegahertz wide channels gear,
but I've tested more Morse microstuff yet.
Hey, I will bring this stuff toWLPC.
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I think we should have some funwith it and I don't think the
guys from Edgecore are going tocare.
Mark, it's on, let's have somefun man.
Let's test this out there.
Let's come up with somecreative way that we can put
this in a real world lab at WLPC.
I'm going to be pretty swampedbetween now and then.
So I apologize to Edgecore.
I know you sent me this stuff.
I know you're dying to hear agreat review of it, but I
haven't had a chance to plug itin yet.
But what I will do is I'll takeit to some of the bigger nerds
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out there and we'll have a blastwith it.
So WLPC, let's do it.
We're going to have a good time.
Mark says on the salt flats.
It was still pretty high, sothe salt flats out in utah, it
looks like there was still somehigh noise floor that was out
there.
So I'm I'm stoked.
If you can't tell, let's starttalking faster.
I love it.
I'm really.
I'm really excited about wi-fihalo and what that means from a
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connectivity perspective.
Also, from a mesh perspective.
You can mesh halo together,which is pretty cool too, so you
can jump from one to the otherto the other, which means these
low power devices you can powersolar or wind or whatever it is,
and you can feed that data back.
So Wi-Fi Halo definitelysomething that's really cool.
Troy Martin did a really coolpresentation about Wi-Fi Halo, I
think, last year at WLPC, sothis year we will have some fun.
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I need to get my WLAN pieworking with Halo.
Yeah, dude, I'm bringing thedevices.
So if you're interested in thisstuff, we.
So if you're interested in thisstuff, we're going to have some
fun at WLPC.
I have a feeling we're going tobe breaking things and I'm
totally cool with that.
I think I actually am going tobring more than just the Wi-Fi
Halo stuff, and we'll see if wecan have a good time with it.
All right, nextivity and LGcombine on private 5G DAS
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devices and services.
This stood out to me becauseNextivity, you know, when I
think about DAS, I think abouttraditional DAS.
Nextivity kind of popped up andstarted doing things that other
people weren't doing.
They made a low-cost adaptationof DAS and it got a lot of
really good reviews.
Nextivity has been deployed allover the place and it's simple,
right, it's super simple.
And now they're partnering upwith LG.
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There's so much stuff happeningin the DAS space and I think
that it's one of those momentswhere DAS has realized that
people need it, but they don'twant to spend the money or they
can't spend the money, they justdon't have the budget for it.
So the LG's so-called private5G ultra slim solution to
Nextivity's DAS infrastructureand 5G IoT apps apparently these
two can come together now andit's a little bit more
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cost-sensitive for people whodon't have the budgets they used
to have.
The purpose, he says, is tocheck interoperability of LG's
enterprise 5G devices withNextGV's CellFi.
Their CellFi has worked reallywell, man, I mean, it's got a
really good name to it.
So they're working on combiningtheir stuff together for
digital signage, point of sale,so forth.
This is just another mover inthe 5g space.
Man, there's so much happeningin private 5g and 5g offload,
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you know, I think there's.
There may be a mention here ofthe iot stuff.
The integrate offering is partof nextivity's iot ai family of
solutions.
Not even that, but like the,the narrowband iot there's I
mean there's the 5g spectrum and5g services are really starting
to do some some, some crazythings now that people are are
finally adopting them right andthey're finding use cases for
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them.
A lot of times it just seemedlike that was the the nail
looking for the hammer, but Ithink now people are starting to
realize what the capability ofsome of this equipment is, and
so we're starting to see moreand more movement.
I still think you know, if theproblem is cell coverage, I
still like the DAS solution.
I like YDAS.
I'm a big fan of AmericanBandwidth and Signal Room.
I love that stuff.
I think it works really wellusing Passpoint for neutral host
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offload.
I'm a huge fan of that.
If you don't have the budgetsto do it, then I mean that's one
way to skin a cat.
That's like from texas.
So I make no apologies, I'mjust gonna let you google that
one.
On to bigger and better news.
Royal caribbean is banningtravel routers from their boats,
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man from their ships.
Royal caribbean bans cruisetravel hackies by thousands to
get around crazy wi-Fi feesCrazy.
He says that is a very badattempt at Homestar Runner and
StrongBad.
Just in case a little StrongBadthrowback there for you.
The travel hack was used bypeople, so basically what
they're doing is they're showinghow you can take dude one of my
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favorite devices ever that Ithink it's still in my backpack,
the GLI net.
Man, look here.
Oh yeah, I got the wholeinternet in front of me.
Look at this.
These little guys make thecoolest little travel routers
and, okay, that's a big one.
They have these tiny littlethings, man, that are so great.
If you've never used the GLInet like, look at this mini
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router, this one right here.
This thing right here has savedmy butt in so many different
places.
I've lit up entire trade showbooths with this deal where I
tether my phone to it and ituses DHCP on there and then I
pump it out the ethernet port.
These little things are soawesome.
I know it's too late to order,but if you're looking for an
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after Christmas present, $27.90.
Let's go.
30 bucks, man.
These things are incredible.
If you've never used one, I'm ahuge, huge fan.
Going back to talking about thewhole, two is one.
One is none when it comes toconnectivity.
If you need a simple solutionto get you out in a pinch where
you need to get something outusing connecting to someone
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else's Wi-Fi or connecting to ahotspot Wi-Fi or connecting, you
know, via USB tethering to yourphone, dude, this is the bomb
right here.
I love these.
I don't.
I love these.
These are the best Like.
They're so, so good.
Everybody should have one withevery.
Any nerd who does connectivityshould travel with one of these,
because they will save yourbutt in a pinch.
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But that being said, let me goback through all my tabs I have
open over here.
Where was it, man?
Oh, here it is.
So what was happening is someonetold the cruise industry that
they may I guess they made likesome YouTubes or whatever and
said, hey, a way to get aroundit is use this so that you
connect your travel router tothe Wi-Fi and then, on the back
end, you can connect all yourdevices to a travel router so
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that you're only using a singleMAC address that you pay for,
instead of 15 different MACaddresses for you and your kids,
and your phone and your watchand the tablets and the switches
and all the other stuff.
And so now Royal Caribbean'scracking down on this.
They say they are off limits,with reports of the item in
question being confiscated inrecent weeks.
Everyone loves the holiday hack, but now it's gonna cost you.
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It banned this, quoting cybersecurity and deliberate
electronic crime.
Reasoning, man, whatever, I'venever gone on a cruise.
I can't, like, I don't, I don'tknow, man, and I would imagine,
if I'm out on a cruise, Iprobably just want to chill,
unless it's like one of the funones with Disney or whatever,
and the kids get to run off anddo Disney stuff.
But they're saying that.
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Now this is one article $12 forthree hours of coverage at two
megabit per second.
And then I saw another articlewhere they're cranking the
coverage up even more and it'slike hey, hey, one of these
cruise ship operators, man, like, get your shit together.
That's not cool, man.
Everybody relies on this stuffand you don't like that's not
cool, that's just not cool,that's all.
That's all I have to say aboutthat true's opinion.
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You know what really grinds mygears?
Oh man, what's this thing?
Innophase iot mines, wi-fi forlossless audio?
Oh yeah, so somewhere hidingbehind this ridiculous
advertisement, there's anarticle about lossless audio
using Wi-Fi for lossless audio.
And it's not using the Wi-Fiprotocol, it's using the space.
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I believe it's using thespectrum.
So CES in Vegas 120 worker teamsprepping a shelf, several
product demonstrations.
I want to go by and see this.
It says that they have demos ofthe Venetian suite 29-221,
january 7th through 10th byappointment.
Oh yeah, let's see if I canfill that out live on the
podcast, man.
Anyway, I want to see what thismeans and I want to see whoa.
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Alright, I want to see whatthis is going to do to spectrum
dude, I need to roll in therewith a spectrum analyzer and be
like go ahead, bro, and thenturn it on and see what happens
when that's going off.
New ui ap lineup, not lineuplineup.
I know, look at this dude.
Ubiquity launched.
They launched some new stuff.
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Look, they launched some newaccess points.
Man, so, so stoked for theseguys.
When they did Mobility Field,they talked about 11 new SKUs or
12 new SKUs.
So I also want someone toexplain the Prism chipset.
So if you work at Ubiquiti andyou see this dude hit me up, I
want to know what does the Prismchipset do that makes it so
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much different?
Look, because it's at the heartof every commercial.
What does it do that's so muchdifferent than anything else,
and why is it better?
Okay, so there's two ethernetports on there.
You can have those run to twodifferent switches.
I think you could lag them tothe last.
The last conversation we hadwith the team over there at
mobility field day, what I willsay is that I hope, I really
hope, you can turn off that big,bright blue light behind the ap
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, because that right friend, nodice, I turn off every light
that I can.
They've got some new APs thatare coming out.
This thing holy moly that's.
I mean Wi-Fi at massive scaleMaybe that's the one that
they're talking about that has2,000 subs per unit.
I don't know, I've neverdeployed this stuff.
If you want to talk to someonewho's deployed this stuff and
you haven't been to the Unifyshows, go talk to my homeboy,
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daryl DeRogia.
Everybody loves Daryl DeRogia.
Daryl is the Kevin Bacon of theWi-Fi industry.
As I referred to him a coupleof weeks ago, daryl is a
phenomenal individual who runsthe network at the FedEx Forum,
where the Memphis Grizzlies play, and he will be at WLPC, and if
you really want to know howthis stuff works, I'm not the
expert on it, but he is maybenot the expert on it, but he's
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probably one of the biggestpower users of ubiquity in the
world.
So I would definitely say look,there's this fedex form right
there, go talk to him about it.
The new stuff that they have, Imean great videos, great product
video, okay, very good.
Look, there's someone on stageshowing that there's wi-fi for
crowds.
This is good.
The, the U7 Pro Max Tri-Radio 2, 4, 5 gig and 6 gig, eight
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spatial streams on this one, 10spatial streams on the U6.
That's pretty cool that one'srunning Wi-Fi 6E and then Wi-Fi
7 over here.
So they have some new APs thatare out there in the marketplace
.
Very cool, very happy for them.
This was an interesting articleas well.
A new open source radiotelescope can see Wi-Fi signals
through walls.
So I read this whole articleand then I went back and watched
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this whole YouTube video and,spoiler alert, it doesn't work
the way that they want it to.
So don't waste your timereading that article.
If they do something neatwithin the future, it will be
awesome.
Check this out From the IEEESpectrum.
Shapeshifting antenna takes cuefrom the expanse.
Inspired sci-fi show shows.
The device morphs to suit itssignal.
Yeah, there's no video of thisthough, is there?
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So an antenna shape determineswhat kind of signals it can work
with.
So if you can change the waythat the antenna, the shape of
the antenna, then it can workwith more signals in different
areas ranging here it is righthere frequencies ranging from 4
to 11 gigahertz pretty cool.
Oh, look, now I'm gettingadvertisements for glinet.
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So interesting.
I haven't read this wholearticle.
I'm not gonna lie.
I'm not gonna try and talkabout it since I've read it.
There's that man.
There's like oh, look at this.
Spacex eyes, two gigabit persecond shooting down from space.
Man, what a time we live in.
We got 2 gig internet comingdown from space.
We've got wi-fi halo that canexpand using 900 megahertz all
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over the place.
We've got 5g dropping costsfinally finding use cases.
We've got wi-fi.
That is, that is, you know,doing incredible things inside
people's homes, but it also canbe attacked from outside of a
network.
There's so much stuff to do, somuch stuff to talk about.
It's a good time and I hope thatthe season was good to you.
I'm going to cut it short.
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For today it's been 30 minutes.
You know I try and keep these30 minutes and that'd be nice.
Mark, I appreciate you hangingout the whole time.
It's always awesome to knowthat I have at least one person
in the audience listening.
But if you're listening to this, please try and make your way
to WLPC in Phoenix.
We will all be there.
Come by, say hi, give me a highfive.
We'll be doing a podcast fromout there.
I'll probably go live.
I really liked what I did inPrague two years ago, when we
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sat down at the bar and we justturned on the camera and started
chit-chatting with people.
That was really fun.
So I might do that again thisyear, and January is going to be
nuts.
If you're out at CES, please,please, holler at me and let's
go look at some of this techtogether.
I love other people'sperspective and opinions.
If you're at the NRF show,which is National Retail
Federation in New York City,that show talks about everything
and all the technology forretail and restaurants and
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things like that, and it is sucha great show because there's
innovation that happens therethat's going to affect your
day-to-day lives.
It your day-to-day lives.
It's going to affect the waythat you interact with the world
.
It's going to affect the waythat people expect wireless to
work.
I think that's why I go to CESevery year.
Ces sets the expectation of howWi-Fi should work and it
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doesn't dig into why it shouldwork the way it does.
It just says, hey, here's thebrand new TV that streams 8K.
It's the size of a wall andyour Wi-Fi should support it.
Have a nice day.
So that's that side of theindustry, and for us people who
have to figure out how to makeall of it come together, that's
why I like to go to the show.
So please feel free to reachout to me if you're going to be
there.
If not, I really, really hopeto see you at WLPC in February.
Again, february 17th is aMonday, that's when we're
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playing golf, and then the showstarts on the 18th and then the
boot camps start before that.
So if you want some moreinformation, just Google the
WLPC in Phoenix.
Merry Christmas, happy holidays.
Sorry, I'm two weeks late onthis thing, but I hope you
understand and if you get achance to listen to this on an
airplane or whatever, have agood time and shout out to
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American Airlines.
My kid loves the little Biscoffcookies and they gave me a
whole pack of cookies to bringhome for the kiddo to say Merry
Christmas from American Airlines.
So Merry Christmas, happyHanukkah and all of the other
holidays that you celebratearound this time.
I hope you have some great timewith your family, enjoy it, and
I will be talking to you soonfrom some really interesting and
fun locations.
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Until then, I will, let's see.
Next week is New Year's, y'all.
I can't make any promises.
There's also not a lothappening, so I don't know if
we're going to have a podcastnext week.
I will probably jump on andjust say hello to everyone, but
then that first week in Januaryis when we're going to be at CES
, so I'll go live from there.
We'll have a good time.
Anyway, until then, if you needanything, no-transcript.
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