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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good afternoon
everybody.
It's Drew Lentz, the WirelessNerd.
Today is August 18th.
Welcome to the Waves Podcast.
What's new?
What's now?
What's next?
What's happening in the Wi-Fiindustry?
Ah enough, radio voice.
I've missed you.
I've missed you people, I'vemissed you crowd.
It has been a heck of a lastcouple of weeks.
Oh, my goodness.
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So much is happening and sowhat I started doing is cutting
all these little pieces ofcontent, since I wasn't here at
home sitting down with thebright lights and all the fun
stuff and trying to figure outhow to get my camera to work.
I've been out of town, I'vebeen on some incredible journeys
, some incredible trips over thelast couple of weeks and it was
just a great way to wrap upsummer and to start just man,
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you know, I had a really greatopportunity to go and supply all
of the Wi-Fi with Eero at theWorld Surf League competition,
the US Open of Surfing inHuntington Beach, california.
Spent two weeks out theredeploying Wi-Fi 27 access points
covering, you know, anticipatedcrowd of about 450, 500,000
people.
People came through, thousandsof people per day were there.
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It was this huge undertakingwhere where we had, you know, a
bunch of point of sale and abunch of merchant and a bunch of
guest wi-fi and a bunch ofstaff wi-fi and a bunch of
surfer athlete wi-fi, and in themiddle of all that you had 12
food trucks.
And then you had, you know,this deal that we did with
amazon prime video for surfgirls international, where they
came in and did a screening oftheir latest thing that they
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have put together, their showthat they have put together, and
then you had, like, securityand celebrities and all it was
just nuts man, it was totallynuts.
And then every night, handel'sIce Cream Shout out to Handel's
Ice Cream for keeping me sane Acouple of Mai Tais at Duke's and
some Handel's Ice Cream.
Your boy's good to go.
Anyway, that was happening.
And then back and forth with alot of really cool projects.
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You'll see some of the stuffcoming up about, some of the
things I've had the opportunityto work on last couple of weeks,
but it's been really, reallygreat.
Spent a lot of time in lasvegas, heading out to vegas
again on thursday.
So I'll be out there thursdaythrough tuesday.
Uh, if you're in the vegas area, you want to come see what I'm
working on.
Give me a shout out and you cancome by and check it out.
It's a lot of fun, a lot ofreally cool stuff.
So I tried to fix my face withlighting If you're watching the
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webcast.
My son told me that my eyeslooked weird, so I had to fix my
lighting and I realized that mycamera settings were all wrong.
So it took me a minute here todial everything in.
But, alas, here it is.
So if you're watching, I hopeit looks better.
Let me know, give me somefeedback.
You know, I know this islargely consumed over podcasts,
like traditional audio podcasts.
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So if you're not watching thevideo, don't even care, don't
worry about it.
You don't have to look at theface.
It's even better for you.
Anyway, there is a lot going onin the wireless space, a lot
going on in the Wi-Fi spaceright now, and I've tried to
keep up with everything that'shappening.
And at the end of summer itseems like a lot of companies
weren't doing a lot.
You know a lot of big motionsthat were moving, but then all
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of a sudden I don't know wherelittle things happen.
You know like acquisitions andsell-offs of, you know, spinoffs
of different companies and newproducts popping up and you know
, and then new events beingannounced.
So there's a lot happening inthe space and I think what I do
want to lead off with if it'snot sold out already I don't
think it's sold out already andthat is WLPC.
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Prague is happening in Octoberin Prague and it's a wireless
LAN professional conference andit's over in Europe and it's
going to be tremendous.
And there are some incrediblesessions that are happening, um
at at that event and lots ofgreat speakers that are going to
be there, just tremendousspeakers that are going to be
there.
And I'm going to look up realquick and make sure it's still
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set, but, um, uh, registrationfor that is now open, so you can
go and and jump in.
You can, you know, be a, be apart of it.
It's going to be a just.
It's going to be a just, it'sgoing to be great.
And it's always really coolbecause then you have WLPC
coming up afterwards in February, and what's neat about Prague
is that you get to see a sneakpeek of a lot of the things that
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are happening or that are goingto be presented.
It's not always the same content, but sometimes there's some
things that are pretty similarright there.
So let's see.
If I switch over to my screenshere, you can see.
Give me a second, let me lookat this, make sure my audio is
still working.
So if I look at the screen here, whoa, look at this Register.
Now let's see, is registrationstill open?
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As I click on this, I'm eatingup a ton of capacity because I
changed a little streamer thing.
Yep, it looks good.
It looks good.
It looks like registration isstill open.
So if you go to WLPC,thewlpccom, you can find out
information about the Prague,czech Republic 802.11 Guitar.
Yeah, wlpc Valencia happening inSeptember for the
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Spanish-speaking audience.
That one's going to be prettyawesome.
Muy bueno, muy bien, it's gonnabe fantastico.
So, if you happen I feel like Bwas a butt head uh, if you
happen to be over, uh, in thatarea, if you want to attend
something that's Spanishspeaking, don't forget about
WLPC Valencia happening inSeptember also.
So that's going down.
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And then, uh, what else ishappening?
Oh man, something I'm reallylooking forward to is meter up.
This is happening in 2025.
If you go to metercom, slashmeter up, you can see that
November 18, 2025 in SanFrancisco, 155 Ninth Street, you
can come.
That's a new location.
I don't think it's the same onethat they did it at last year,
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but this is gonna be prettycrazy.
A couple of you know, small,low-key uh keynote speakers uh,
satya nadela, sanjay bizwas, uh,kate johnson and and, of course
, at neil very cool um, you know, when you get, when you get
someone who's the the one of theco-founders of maraki, and now
with samsara who's in there, andthen obviously, uh, mr Nadella
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from Microsoft, and then dude,and then Lumen, it's like this
is great.
I mean, last year it was reallycool.
They had one of the founders ofCloudflare on the stage and
that was really neat and it wasa really good question and
answer a lot of back and forth.
Maybe I ask too many questions.
It tends to happen.
I tend to chime in.
This year I will not be chimingin as much as I was last year,
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unless, of course, somethinghappens to come up and I just
want to ask a question.
However, they might muzzle me,so that's okay.
Either way, meterup is going tobe pretty neat.
Early bird tickets are $3.49,and in four days that goes up to
$4.49.
So if you want to join this,it's going to be really neat.
It will be in San FranciscoNovember 18th and it's going to
be a great way to see what'shappening and what METER's
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vision of the future is withwhat they're doing.
So this is more of a vendorconference than I don't know.
I don't know I don't know ifit's more of a vendor conference
or not.
A vendor is putting oftechnology, the future of
networking, what that means.
So that's going to be prettyawesome.
If you get a chance, go make itup for that.
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Now, those are two big events,obviously.
Ces is right around the corner,which is going to be cool.
Amazon re -events right aroundthe corner.
The shows that I'm going to beat.
I'm going to be at those.
I'm going to be at somerestaurant shows.
I'm going to be at some otherfun stuff.
Man, I got to go to the TexasRestaurant Association show this
year and it was so awesome.
It was so awesome.
I don't know if I talked aboutthat on the last pod or not, but
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, man, texas RestaurantAssociation was just so cool and
if I talked about it Iapologize.
It was just such a greatopportunity to meet with people
that were business owners andrestaurateurs and people who are
out there changing the way thatwe eat and that we interact
with restaurants and what'scoming down for them and what
they're looking forward to.
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And it's just an incredibleindustry right now and there's
so much change and innovationhappening that it was really
cool to be a part of that.
So if you're in that space, ifyou're in the retail technology
space, the restaurant technologyspace, pay close attention.
You got mertek coming up,you've got the mertek show
coming up, you've got a lot ofpeople are talking about, you
know, inclusion, the restauranttechnology network at rtn, so
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lots of things happening there.
And then right on the heels ofces coming in january which,
dude, it's only five months away.
Right is NRF, national RetailShow, so NRF in Vegas, I'm sorry
, in New York.
Dude, that's the killer month.
Right, you start off at CES inJanuary in Vegas and then you
flip over and you do NRF in NewYork the next week.
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So it happens.
But if you're looking for someshows to go to, those are the
shows to attend.
If not, obviously I'll betalking about some of the things
that we see there, some of thethings that are going on at
those individual shows.
So let me get into some of thecontent that I've been reading
about, that I've been keeping upwith, that I wanted to share
with you the loyal listener,here comes the old school radio.
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Good afternoon, loyal listeners.
Trump reverses Biden's big techand broadband oversight order.
I'm going to start off withthis one, because this is the
repeal of exec with executiveorder 14 036 drops federal push
on net neutrality, broadbandprice transfer, transparency and
merger oversight.
Um, I'm not going to harp onnet neutrality rules and and
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that, but what I will say, thatI so so, so short lived was the
broadband like nutritionalinformation labels that showed
you this is your broadband planand here's what you can expect
to get.
Let me see if I can bring up apicture of those.
And those are.
Those are now that that partwas repealed, and so what that
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means is, you know, I don't knowwhat it means here, I'm sharing
on the screen right there.
So if you'd see it, it, ifyou've purchased broadband,
you're supposed to see one ofthese on your broadband package
or on your, on your 5g packageor whatever.
And so now this, since that'sbeen repealed, this is, I guess,
not required anymore.
But you know, did people findany value in this?
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I guess, first of all, is allis the question?
Second of all, is it going tobe missed?
I don't know, but I saw thisand I was like man.
Well, that again that was kindof short lived.
So broadband nutrition labelsare now gone, or the requirement
for them is now gone becausetheir appeal of executive order
14 036.
Now the big news with that isobviously with net neutrality.
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And what's happening with withnet neutrality, here we go.
We'll show you the screen here.
Obviously, uh, jennifer, overat drew's broadband breakfast,
the other drew, the drew frombroadband breakfast.
Does it just such a great jobkeeping up with all of the like.
If you care about the way thatthe government's interacting
with our industry, go tobroadband breakfast and keep up
with what they do.
They do an incredible jobcovering everything that's
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happening.
So this one with the repeal ittalks about stricter antitrust
reviews to mergers in broadbandcable and big tech.
So that's going to get knockedout.
Also, direct to FCC to restorenet neutrality rules.
Adopt broadband nutritionlabels and prevent IS oh, this
is the big one, this was the bigone, right here.
Broadband nutrition labels andprevent is oh, this is the big
one, this was the big one, righthere.
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This executive order preventedisps from making exclusive deals
with landlords to lock outcompetitors.
Okay, so that's the big one,right?
That's the thing that thatpeople are talking about with
this, and what that means isessentially, if you live in an
apartment complex, you hadfreedom of choice with what you
could get as far as internetaccess inside your property,
because the cables and the youknow, everything that's run into
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your apartment are the propertyof the, of the apartment
complex you know, or the housingunit or the you know, whatever
it is, wherever you live.
But now with this, this, thethe landlord can make an
exclusive deal, for example,with provider xyz, and say, hey,
give me a deal so that I canresell it to everyone who lives
here, and then the people wholive here have to consume it
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through me.
And that was lifted, giving youchoice on what you could do.
But now this prevents ISP.
Now the preventative componentis gone.
So what was preventing ISPsfrom making exclusive deals to
lockout competitors has now beenchanged, and so the wording is
that now ISPs are no longerprevented from making exclusive
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deals with landlords to lockoutcompetitors.
So that's the rub with that.
That's the rub with ExecutiveOrder 14-036 being removed.
So just want to bring that toyour attention in case you live
in an apartment or in case youown a broadband service provider
and now you have a huntinglicense to go do this stuff, um,
another one.
So so, listen, I covered thisone.
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I, I, I saw this and I decidedthat I was going to make a
little short video about itbecause I thought it was funny.
And so what we've got here isuh is an entitled neighbor
demands that he stops using yourWi-Fi because it's distracting
her plants.
So I made a whole little shortvideo about this because I
thought it was interesting and Ireally wanted to test out VO
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from Google.
Whole bunch of colorfulpersonalities, and one of them
is a lady in her late 50s whocame in and insisted that the
wi-fi from the neighbor wasaffecting the the vibrational
energy of her succulents.
She pointed to a drawing whichlooked like a sad jellyfish and
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she said the signal beameddirectly through the shared wall
and bombarded their plantsnon-stop.
According to her, the plantswere spiritually wilting because
they thought the wi-fi wassunlight, but it wasn't the best
part.
There was no light.
It was a dark hallway with nonatural light and she claimed
they had been fine until this.
Uh, this person got a new modemand said either turn off your
wi-fi every night between 10 and6 um, and there's no second
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option right there, apparently,the rest hours, uh oh, or move
her, or let her share my Wi-Fiand move the router into her
unit so she could regulate thesignal properly.
So what I did is I broke down inmy little video that you can
see.
I broke down what the power ofa Wi-Fi device is and I had my
own way of doing it.
But if you ever want to hearsomeone do it, you should listen
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to Keith Parsons talk about theamount of energy that is coming
out of an access point and howthat compares to other objects.
He was my inspiration for doingwhat I did and I used bigger
examples, but his is awesome,it's totally awesome.
The example that I used wasit's the same output powers in
nightlight and then at longdistances.
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If you have an FM radio stationthat's broadcasting at 100,000
watts, then over time, theinverse square law, thank you.
You know YouTube user who'slike hey, don't forget about
that.
You know, even at 300 miles,you get down to one watt if
you're 300 miles away from a100,000 watt FM transmitter.
So if FM transmissions aren'taffecting your succulents, I
don't know that Wi-Fi will be.
But I saw that and sometimeseducation is important.
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So let's see, that was monthsago.
I wonder if there was anyresolution to that.
That was three months ago and Idon't know if there's any
follow-up, so I'll leave it toyou.
Fine internet.
Go look it up on Reddit.
Entitled Neighbor Demands.
I stopped using my Wi-Fibecause it's follow-up, so I'll
leave it to you.
Fine internet, go look it up onreddit.
Entitled neighbor demands.
I stopped using my wi-fibecause it's distracting her
plants.
That's under r slash entitledpeople.
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Anyway.
That was one of the things thatI found was funny.
Funny enough to me for me tomake a little video about it.
Um, in other news, fun news umkuiper satellites.
So the space race is gettingcrazier, but it's actually
getting cooler.
At the same time, I guess Alittle friendlier.
Spacex launches the fourthbatch of Project Kuiper
satellites, so we're that muchcloser to seeing another
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constellation out there.
And it was SpaceX actually thatlaunched these for Amazon.
So SpaceX successfully launched24 additional low-Earth orbit
satellites for Amazon's ProjectKuiper on Monday.
The KF-02 mission launched fromCape Canaveral Space Station in
Florida this was a week ago ona Falcon 9 rocket, bringing
Kuiper's broadband constellationto more than 100 satellites in
orbit Triple digits now, folks.
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Spacex there was a thank youthat came out from Amazon saying
thank you to SpaceX for thesecond of three launches
together.
So one more to go on there.
That's great.
The constellation is beingbuilt faster and it'll give
people more alternatives when itcomes to satellite low earth
orbiting satellite Somethingelse that was up, so I had to
dig into this one a little bit.
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When there was a big shift,change in politics and all that,
one of the things that came upat the FCC was this idea of
delete, delete, delete, and itwas a way that people could go
through, or the FCC commissioncould go through and find old,
archaic rules that affectednothing, but we're just taking
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up space, and so this happenedin March.
This started let's see if I canopen up the shared screen right
here.
So FCC opens and delete, delete, delete, dock it.
Chairman Carr launches massivederegulation initiative.
So that was the big pressrelease.
Right it was.
We're going to go through andwe're going to take out all the
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bad things that are not neededthere and we're going to go
through a whole deregulationprocess.
And so what I was excited aboutTBH, afk, lmao what I was
excited about was hoping thatthere was something in there,
not necessarily for Wi-Fi Idon't think that there was much
that could be in there for Wi-Fibut for low power FM, low power
FM radio stations.
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I was hoping that I could findsomething in there.
Alas, there wasn't much.
Because what delete deletedelete affected was it was 71
rule provisions, 98 rules andrequirements, 12 pages, over
5,000 words from the FCC rulebook, all around part 73.
Okay, so nothing in amateurradio, because it was parts 15
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and 97.
It was all part 73 for radiobroadcast services.
But what happened with LPFM?
Not a lot.
They were told that they don'thave to have these monitoring
devices that monitor the outputpower of the FM signal that's
being transmitted and then beable to report that back.
So basically they said hey, ifyou're an LPFM provider, we're
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going to trust that you'rebroadcasting as much power, as
little power as you're supposedto.
It's not a lot.
There's not a lot of power inLPFM.
It's 50 watts, I think, or 10watts.
It's not a lot, but it's 50times a Wi-Fi access point.
How about that?
Tie those lot.
But it's 50 times a wi-fiaccess point.
How about that?
Tie those, tie those backtogether.
So not a lot there.
But what it does for lpfm isthe changes are viewed as a net
positive for lpfm operatorsbecause they reduce regulatory
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burden without adding newrestrictions.
So small wins, take, take thebaby wins.
Take the baby wins if you can.
What else is happening inspectrum?
This comment says cbrs is.
So five years ago FederatedWireless the chairman of
Federated Wireless is saying hey, you know, there's been a lot
of talk about repurposing thebands in 365, 35, moving them
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away, getting rid of thecapability for people to use
those CBRS bands.
And there was one article thatI read that said the best way
that we can fight against thatis to use it.
So for anyone who's looking atdeploying this, I would totally
recommend that you start usingCBRS right now.
It's the whole use it or loseit mentality.
But the CEO of FederatedWireless says let's look at 4
gigahertz.
4 gigahertz is favored.
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It's attractive for 6G becauseit's free of legacy commercial
services.
The current DoD radars andtactical systems in the band are
well understood.
The propagation characteristicsare generally similar to the
c-band, with a contiguous 500megahertz of available spectrum
according to federated.
The 4 to 4.4 to 4.94 gig bandrepresents the best opportunity
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for us carriers to spread theirrf wings and steer clear of the
types of us dod pitfalls thatare rampant in the three
gigahertz band.
So fierce network has a reallygood write-up on this.
I've just given you thehighlights, but if you care to
read the rest of it Monica,eleven, eleven, eleven, is it
Eleven?
One of these days someone'sgoing to write me.
I'm like Drew, you'repronouncing these names totally
wrong.
That's okay.
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No offense, I'm not trying tooffend.
I just have never met you,monica, so I don't know how to
pronounce your name, but you dida great job writing this whole
thing up for Fierce Network.
So if you're looking at thescreen, there's your name.
However you want to pronounceit, you know that's what it is.
So this is from four days agoand there's a whole write up
here about why we should look atfour gigahertz, as you know
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from the words of the mouth ofthe person from Federated
Wireless, yad Tarazi.
Anyway, I thought that that wasinteresting because I've never
seen that spectrum being used.
So maybe there's a goodopportunity to use that spectrum
.
What else?
Okay, here's something thatcame up Amphenol to buy
CommScope.
Well, hold on, amphenol to buyCommScope unit in a $10.5
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billion broadband connectivitydeal.
Now lots of questions, right,because we've all seen ruckus go
from A to B to C to D and it'sdude.
It's like watching one of yourchildhood friends whose parents
get divorced and then remarriedand then divorced, and then the
stepdad and then the stepmom andthen moving in with them and
then across the country, andthen you know childhood trauma.
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Insert childhood trauma here.
We've all watched that happen,man.
And so it's like dag yo, toquote uh homestar runner um
tough, tough to watch it and itwas like, oh god, they sold them
again.
What now?
Well, the good news is theydidn't sell them again.
The bad news is they didn'tsell them again.
Listen to this breakdowncourtesy of me researching stuff
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and then using ai to try andmake it sound like I know what
I'm talking about.
Amphenol announced a $10.5billion all-cash deal to acquire
Comscope's Connectivity andCable Solutions Unit.
So we're only talking aboutComscope's Connectivity and
Cable Solutions Unit, itslargest transaction yet.
It wanted to bolster itsfoothold in US wireless
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infrastructure and fiber opticmarkets.
It's expected to close thefirst half of 2026.
And it comes after Amphenol'searlier purchase of Comscope's
mobile network and DAS business.
So now they've got Comscope'smobile networks, they've got
Comscope's DAS business andthey've got Comscope's
connectivity and cable solutionsunit, right.
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So everyone's like that's ruckus, it's not ruckus, it's not
ruckus, it's all of the otherthings except for ruckus.
For now nothing changesoperationally for ruckus
customers or partners, but thecorporate reshaping means that
ruckus is one of the few majorassets left at Comscope.
This makes it either morestrategically important or more
likely to be sold in the next 12to 24 months, depending on how
comscope plays it.
The 10.5 billion dollar salecovers comscope's connectivity
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and cable solutions, not theirnetworking, intelligent cellular
or ruckus wireless businessunit.
So it's cable fiber connectors.
Obviously that makes way moresense going to amphinol, right,
um, but not their networkingintelligent cellular or Ruckus
Wireless.
So over the past few yearsCommScope has been selling off
non-core assets.
Mobile network and DAS sold toAmphenol, ccs also went to
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Amphenol and that leaves Ruckuswith enterprise switching and
cloud and wireless and a fewsmaller networking segments as
the main pieces.
So what does that mean?
What does that mean for thefuture of ruckus?
That's like.
That's like.
That's like your step parentsjust got divorced and then
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you're stuck with one of themand then you don't know if
they're gonna leave or not, orget remarried, and then you
gotta go live with your aunt.
I don't know.
I don't know that's a terribleway of explaining it, but it's
just man, it's just watchingruckus go through one thing
after another after another.
But what I will say is that thepeople who work at ruckus you
know, obviously that's that'schanged.
There's been some, there's beensome changing and some shifting
there.
But the people who've beenthere for a long time and the
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product that they make, um, Idon't want to say it hasn't
phased them, because they have.
I mean, obviously it has.
But it's, it's not a badproduct.
It's still one of the top Wi-Fiproducts, top networking
products in the industry, stillbetter than a whole lot of other
stuff that's out there.
Oh God I mean.
But you know the trauma's gotto be kind of rough on the team
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over there.
So shout out to all the friendsat Ruckus and all the peeps at
Ruckus Just stay the course, myfriends, and if not, the job
market is wide open right nowthere.
Just stay the course, myfriends, and if not, the job
market is wide open right now.
There's lots of people hiringfor tremendous things that are
going on.
There's been some really coolmoves in the last couple of
weeks.
My friend, ava, moved over toMeter, which is kind of neat to
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see, so you'll probably see herat Meter Up.
Hopefully you'll see her atMeter Up.
There's been some shifts in theindustry, people moving around.
There's also been some reallycool things where I've seen
people that are celebrating10-year anniversaries at the
places that they work andfive-year anniversaries at the
places that they work, and it'sreally neat to see that,
especially in the times thatwe're in right now.
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I didn't even mean to do this,but that's the perfect segue to
something that I did want totalk about, which is the John
Stanky memo.
Now, if you don't know what I'mtalking about with the John
Stanky memo, that's okay.
It's kind of difficult to findand Business Insider has it
behind a really fat paywall, andnot that I don't like Business
Insider.
I suggest you go subscribe tothem if you want to read this.
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I just don't subscribe to them,but I found it in the original
Yahoo post, so so here's thedilly the CEO of AT&T busts out
this memo and this is after hedid the return to office thing.
So he posts, he pops up thismemo and he says, hey, we're all
going to come back to theoffice and then they do this,
this score, they they test allthe employees or they send out a
survey to all the employees tofind out if they're happy.
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Um, at AT&T and I forgot whatthe official name of it is here.
Let me see if I can find itreal quick, cause, dude, this
was everywhere.
It's a test case for leaders.
It says it's a blunt memo, itwas called a bold.
It was, it has been called abold statement, but it was meant
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to be like an, I believe, anemployee satisfaction survey and
so 73% of the people took itand it represented, and it
represented, a huge chunk of thecompany.
But there's been some seriousheat for what this dude saying,
right, for what?
For what John Stanky saying?
And I, dude, I don't know thisguy, but I I have my own
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thoughts about the memo and I'mnot going to share them.
I'll I'll, maybe I'll sharethem after, but I want to read
some of the things that he wrotein here, because the headlines,
if you just look up John StankyMemo, ceo of AT&T AT&T just
made official Workplace loyaltyis dead.
His recent employee survey senta lengthy memo to all the
employees what his memo didright, what his memo did wrong.
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His blunt memo is a test casefor leadership.
There was a lot.
If I share my screen you cansee, dude, it's just a lot, it's
everywhere.
People are talking all aboutthis thing.
Now what does it say?
I'm glad you asked.
There are a couple of key thingsthat I wanted to highlight that
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he said in here, and this goesright back into if you talk
about loyalty, if you talk aboutworkplace loyalty and you talk
about the people who used to beable to go get a job at the post
office or get a job at you know, at AT&T, for example, or Sears
, or you know IBM or whatever,it is where there were these
expectations that if you got ajob there, you could always have
a job there, these expectationsthat if you got a job there,
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you could always have a jobthere.
This memo basically turnedaround and said that's not how
we're doing things anymore, andthen it outlined a lot of
interesting points.
The AT&T CEO sent a strongmessage to employees in this
memo, stating, quote we run adynamic, customer-facing
business tackling large-scale,challenging initiatives.
If the requirements dictated bythis dynamic do not align to
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your personal desires.
You have every right to find acareer opportunity that is
suitable to your aspirations andneeds.
Okay, that was the opening oneReady.
That said, if a self-directed,virtual or hybrid work schedule
is essential for you to manageyour career aspirations and life
challenges, you will have adifficult time aligning your
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priorities with those of thecompany and the culture we aim
to establish.
All right, a lot there that Idon't disagree with.
Okay, oh, tough, tough call,right, but maybe that's because
I'm old school.
Mark says he's late.
Hello, mark, you joined at theperfect time.
I'm talking about John Stanky'smemo from the CEO of AT&T, and I
love this.
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I had a whole conversation withmy wife about this, about what
he said, and read the commasappropriately If a self-directed
, virtual or hybrid workschedule is essential for you to
manage your career aspirationsand life challenges, you will
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have a difficult time aligningyour priorities with those of
the company and the culture weaim to establish.
So here's what I'm seeing right, and don't take me wrong.
I'm not talking about anybodyin specific.
I'm not talking about who Iwork with, who I work for, who I
work beside, who I have workedfor.
I'm just talking about overallwhen I talk to my friends that
are employed and in theworkforce A difficult time
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aligning your priorities withthose of the company and the
culture we aim to establish.
That's the part to me thatstands out, because what you're
seeing now is post COVID.
You're seeing companies thatwant to buckle down and they
want to get back to work andthey want their companies to be
successful and they want to beable to push ahead and innovate
and do incredibly creativethings and build new products.
If you couple that with what'shappening, honestly, in the
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United States dude I've got thenews playing right in front of
me, because every day it'ssomething different you don't
know what the future of any ofthis is.
You don't know what tomorrow isgoing to bring.
You don't know what it's goingto bring to the business
landscape.
You don't know what it's goingto bring to wireless.
You don't know what it's goingto bring in the form of a letter
to the DOJ saying that yourcompany shouldn't merge, like
there's so many what ifs thatare happening right now that if
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you own a company, if you workfor a company, they're sitting
here probably freaking out going.
Dude, we got to buckle down andwe got to start.
Just make it really goodproduct, and we got to get good
at it and we've got to getinnovative and creative and
dominant again.
And, dude, look around, look atwhat's happening in the
industry.
I mean, this is like I've beentalking about for months I feel
like years now.
Look at some of the companiesthat have kind of fallen back on
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their heels and been happy.
When the wheat's high they sayright, so they've been out there
and the wheat's been high andno one's been worried about it.
All of a sudden, you don't knowwhat tomorrow is going to bring
.
You don't know, you have noidea what's going to happen to
your organization or whatexternal effect is going to
happen.
So these companies are sittingthere trying to figure out how
do we get our shit together, howdo we focus on being a good
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company again, and a lot of thatis coming back to the office.
I've been working remote like mywhole career almost, and I
absolutely cherish the time thatI get to go spend with
coworkers, not because it's coolto see them, which it is, not
because they've got a greatsnack section, because they do,
but because what happens in theeight hours that I spend in the
office, or 10 or 12 or whatever.
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It is the time that I get tospend interacting with coworkers
.
I get so much more accomplished.
I get things done that youcan't do over a phone call, and
I know you feel the same way,because it's just the way that
it is.
I haven't met a single personwho's worked remotely who's been
like dude, I hate going to theoffice, I never get anything
done.
That is like absolutely nottrue.
So much work gets done.
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So the return to office thingyeah, dude, I totally get it.
I totally get it.
It's like for people who got itand now it's being taken away
from them.
Yeah, when I took the job thatI have right now, I had to face
the decision of do I want tomove to go get this job?
Do I need to be in a physicallocation to get this?
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And before I did anything, Iwas like am I going to commit to
being in an office full timebecause of RTO?
That's happening everywhere.
The answer is yes.
By the way, I'm totally down,but you have to be willing to do
that.
And that part of the memo thatstands out to me is where he
says you will have a difficulttime aligning your priorities
with those of the company andthe culture we aim to establish.
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Yeah, dude, they're trying tobuckle down.
It's AT&T, bro, like.
Talk about relevance.
I mean, this is like Kodak.
Right now Everyone's runningaround saying Kodak is going out
of business and Kodak's likewe're not quite dead yet.
It's these behemoth companiesthat used to be beasts in the
industry.
There's networking companiesthat used to be beasts in the
industry that everyone's takinga bite out of them right now.
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And could that be solved bygetting people back in the
office and by doing things?
I don't know, but it'sdifficult to accomplish without
everyone there.
And I get the counterpoint ofsometimes you're more productive
or different roles are moreproductive when they're not in
there.
Totally, totally understandthat.
But what he said, I think hesaid very well.
If a self-directed, virtual orhybrid work schedule is
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essential for you to manage yourcareer aspirations and your
life challenges that's the partthat stands out to me.
If that's what you're trying togo for, then this is not the
right place for you.
There's plenty of jobselsewhere.
So I like the way that he saidthat it was strong, but I think
it made sense.
So does this mean that thereisn't room for emergency or
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special circumstances?
Of course not.
We will always try to supportthat which cannot be planned for
or that which needs to bedeliberately planned for, and I
expect any leader to managetheir organization accordingly.
Got it so, trying to be open upthere.
Now, the memo didn't explicitlyask AT&T employees to come back
to the office, but that's kindof inferred.
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It's kind of inferred in there,but this is the part that
really got a lot of people right.
He described the company'stransition as a shift away from
some elements including quoteloyalty, tenure and conformance
with the associated compensationto a more market-based culture
focusing on rewarding capability, contribution and commitment.
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So this isn't your dad's AT&T,right?
Isn't that how they say it?
This is not your parents' AT&T.
This is rewarding people fortheir commitment, for their
capability and theircontribution, not just rewarding
them because they've been therethe longest.
I mean, commitment and loyaltyis great, but what is loyalty
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without contribution?
And I think that that's the bigquestion that we all have to
ask ourselves in our roles.
We can be as loyal as we wantto be, but are we actually
contributing?
Or we can contribute as much aswe can, but are we actually
doing it for the brand.
Are we actually doing it forthe company?
And so looking at thisdifferently is you know you can
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see where they're going with it,but what does that say to us?
What does it say to you?
Right, the loyal listener?
What does it say to you?
Are you in your job and you'rejust expecting loyalty and
tenure right, because you'vebeen there, so you're always
going to be there?
Or are you constantly lookingfor being better at your job and
being more capable andcontributing more, while also
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being committed to it?
You know, I was taught realearly on the best thing that you
can do is work yourself out ofa job.
Always try and find someone towork yourself out of a job.
If there's someone who needssome help, help them.
Give them everything that youhave possibly learned, because
that's the only way you're gonnagrow.
You're not gonna grow byholding on to everything that
you know and that you've learned.
You're only gonna grow by beinguncomfortable by person in the
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room.
You're going to only grow bylistening and by learning and by
advancing.
And so when you think aboutthese old organizations, it's a
sign of the times for them, hesays.
I know change like this can bedifficult and be unsettling for
some.
However, as General EricShinseki so eloquently stated
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this is such a great quote.
You ready for this?
If you dislike change, you'regoing to dislike irrelevance
even more.
Bam Bam, way to not beirrelevant.
At&t Strong words, I wonder youknow.
In six months, I wonder wherethis is going to leave them.
Committing to adjusting yourown behaviors and actions
without looking to your right orlooking to your left or above
to see what everybody else isdoing?
This one, this one, is super,super important, especially when
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I was part of the meta layoffsand I looked at I was on the
chat when they were laying allof us off by chat, whatever sign
of the times.
Also Sitting there and watchingpeople comment like you can't
take my job, I'm doing my job,this is my job.
You can't take my cell, I'mdoing my job, this is my job.
You can't take my cell phone,it's my cell phone.
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They're like, no, it's companycell phone.
Watching people were like, yeah, but this guy did that and this
guy did this and this persondid that, and trying to blame
other people for theshortcomings of either their
role or their organization ortheir department or whatever.
It was watching all thatinfighting that started and not
seeing a lot of the generationthat was being released.
You know, and even you know itwasn't just one generation, was
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a bunch of us.
But watching people just startto immediately start to point
fingers was kind of crazy.
And so, homeboy, over here fromat&t, listen to this one.
You ready for it?
He says.
A favorite quote by w clementstone comes to mind so many fail
because they don't get started.
Please jump in and avoid thehuman tendency to blame the
neighbors for the problems inthe neighborhood.
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Wow, lots of, lots of strongwords there.
He's like take accountability,take responsibility.
You are, you are what youractions are, you know, and and
if you can be capable and youcan contribute and you can make
a commitment, then this is aplace for you to work.
And if not, and you don't wantto contribute the way that they
need you to, then have a niceday, man.
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Anyway, lots of stuff that'shappening there.
And again, that's not justwireless, right, at&t wireless,
whatever, that's how I tie itall in, but just from a
workplace perspective thing, Ithought that that was that.
That was fascinating.
Um, before I leave, there's onething that I do want to talk
about, which, again having greatconversations with my wife.
We have a podcast also that wemight be starting back up, so we
have these random conversationsand then we record.
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You know, one of the thingsthat I learned at Metta that I
love, that, I love, love, loveis the idea that no one will be
a big promoter for you as youwill.
No one will be your brightestlight except for you.
So take a minute to talk aboutwho you are and what you do, and
don't be ashamed to celebrateyour wins, not just for yourself
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and not just on LinkedIn.
This is what social media isfor.
Celebrate what you're doing,celebrate what your wins are,
celebrate what your failures are, if you want to, but also
internally in your jobs.
Don't be scared to celebratewho you are and what you're
doing.
And I want to say that because alot of times, people do some
really incredible stuff, butthey don't take the time to tell
their teammates the exceptionalthings that they do.
They don't take a moment tostop and take pictures of what
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they're doing or videos and sayy'all, I'm going to post this up
on Slack, check this out, lookwhat I just did.
This is incredible and it's agreat opportunity to share that,
but also make sure that whenyou share that, you're sharing
that with love, first right.
You're sharing that by sayinglook at what I get to do for our
company with our product as wedo it.
Don't share it like this iswhat I got to do because I'm the
best right, or this is what Igot to do because I'm so smart,
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you know.
Be very cognizant of the factthat if you do share those wins
or those losses, that sometimespeople will take them to heart
and they'll be like yeah, wellit's.
You know, it was a team effort,bro, and I try very diligently
to make sure that I includeeveryone in in my celebrations,
because I love to celebratestuff.
I love to go take pictures andvideo and celebrate everything
that we do and Pat's on the backfor everyone that's out there.
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But I wanted to just bring thatup because I don't know if
everybody does that.
And at Meadow, one of thethings that I post, the way that
I post it, because that's thesame stuff that I would share
internally I'd be like look atwhat I did, obviously with a
little bit more technical detail, but don't be scared to share
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those things, because I loveseeing them.
I love getting on LinkedIn andseeing the incredible stuff that
people get to do and they getto celebrate themselves and talk
about what they're doing, andnot in a way that's like that's
like you know, uh, center of theuniverse way, like totally you
know, like a self-promoter, like, oh, I'm the best, no man.
Like talk about what you'redoing but, more importantly,
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talk about how that affectseveryone and everyone that
helped you get there.
So that's my challenge to youover the next week um, talk
about some of your wins.
Go, talk about your wins anddon't be scared to talk about
them.
You don't look like aself-absorbed asshole when you
do it.
You look like you're proud ofwhat you do.
But it's all in the tone,because you can look like that
if you don't frame your toneproperly.
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Anyway, I have taken up yourears long enough today, but I
appreciate you listening.
I hope to see you at some ofthe events that are coming up.
I've got a week where, againthis week, I'm out in Vegas and
then after that I'm going to bedoing some stuff in Orlando and
then I might actually go to thePortola Music Festival for my
birthday.
That's kind of still up in theair, I might be out there
enjoying that.
It's Moby, underworld theProdigy, the Chemical Brothers,
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oh my God, at one place and onetime, in San Francisco's uh,
september 19th through 21st.
Maybe I'll see out there anyway.
Um, I appreciate you listening.
Thanks for listening and I willsee y'all next week.
Take care, see ya Any second,I'll stop.