Ever wondered how to set up a wireless network outdoors? Join me, Drew Lentz, the Wireless Nerd, as I recount my thrilling 10-day journey from Texas to California, up to Alaska, and back, where I conducted an RF survey and feasibility study for a wireless network deployment. Learn about the critical role of understanding various wireless technologies, from 4G to 5G to Wi-Fi and beyond, to provide an optimal user experience. We'll also explore the essential tools in my go kit that help me achieve accurate field surveys, and ponder whether the surge in wireless events enriches or fragments our industry.
Got a passion for tech gadgets and Wi-Fi analysis? This episode is packed with insights into the tools that make data collection efficient and effective. I'll share my experiences using the Flipper Zero, Baofeng K5 Plus, WLAN Pi Pro, Kismet, tools from Hamina, Oscium, Ekahau and Sidos among others, at n transient environments. Discover how these tools help in analyzing network loads and client device behaviors, ensuring precise Wi-Fi network planning. We’ll also discuss the HackRF and NetAlly Cyberscope, and rave about the impressive dashboards of Link Live by NetAlly and Epiq Prism's capabilities in scanning LTE and 5G networks.
Stay updated with the latest trends in the wireless and IoT sectors, from Juniper’s progress post-HPE acquisition to the highlights of the Wi-Fi Now Worldwide Congress. This episode covers exciting topics like Wi-Fi offload, private 5G, and the new pro gateway for LoRa devices by the Things Network. We also emphasize the importance of supporting those affected by recent hurricanes, highlighting efforts from ITDRC and Cisco. As we wrap up, I share personal anecdotes and invite you to join me on YouTube for interactive Q&A and equipment demos, ensuring a comprehensive and engaging experience.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Drew Lentz, the Wireless Nerd.
Today is September 27th 2024.
I just got back from a 10-dayadventure from Texas to
California, to Alaska and back,and had a tremendous time doing
some great stuff, got a wholelot of questions because of some
things that I posted onlinesome pictures of my survey kit
and so what I wanted to do todayis not just cover what's new,
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what's now, what's next.
There's some interesting thingsthat are happening in the news
some big pushes on 5G, lots oftalk about 5G slicing.
I do want to talk about I saw awhole bunch of wireless events.
So this week we had the ThingsConference, but there was
another event that I can'tproperly pronounce because it's
in German, sorry, timo.
So Timo is doing that event.
And then we've got Ycode andwe've got WLPC.
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All these things are happening,and so I'm wondering if now
there's all of these events whenthere only used to be a couple,
and what that's going to do.
Does that fragment at all ourindustry, or are they covering
different things?
I'm curious.
I'm also curious about feedback, so I'll try my best to keep up
with everything.
Probably the best way if you dowant to ask questions is jump
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on YouTube, youtubecom, slash atwireless nerd, if you get on
there.
We crossed our 1,000 user mark.
We're at about 1,500subscribers now, which is
fantastic.
So jump on the YouTube.
I'll try and field thequestions for there, but I do
want to show.
Let's see.
Where is it.
Is it there?
Oh, here we go.
So this is what I want to talkabout today, because I got a lot
of questions about specificallywhat this is and what's inside
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there.
This is my go kit.
This is the kit that I takewith me when I go to different
sites to go do a survey, to gograb information, to go grab
data, to go look at a site.
This is one of the things thatI carry Now.
I always carry my Wi-Fi surveykit if I'm doing an active
survey.
So in there I've got.
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You know, if you go towifisurveykitcom, you can see
all the information about that.
Obviously, we built that for theindustry, by the industry, a
whole bunch of years back.
We wanted, you know, a cost, acost capable piece of equipment
that wireless engineer couldgrab and take with them, and so
we built that thing and that'sgot the tripod and it's got the
wifi stand and it's got thelaser range finder and the
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batteries and the flashlight andall the goodies that go in
there.
But this is all this one overhere.
This is where it's at, so letme try and make sure this popped
up here.
Are you seeing it?
Yes, you're seeing it.
Oh, very good.
Very good, we can take a lookat what's inside here and a
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little bit of background on whatit is.
First and foremost is, as Imentioned, I had a project that
I was working on that I went outof town for, and the project
was to complete a RF survey anda feasibility study for
deploying a wireless network,wireless communications.
I'm going to leave some of thenames out of it, but it was
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great, it was beautiful.
It was up in Alaska, which wasmy first time up there.
It was incredible.
And they said, hey look, weneed good wireless
communications, but we don'tknow what we need and we don't
know how much of it we need.
And we don't know what we needand we don't know how much of it
we need and we don't know whatwe have.
So I said, perfect.
So inside my little magical box,I took every tool that I could
think of to go measureeverything that was out there.
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But I also wanted to gethands-on with a lot of the tools
and really in the field, not inan indoor environment.
This is specifically in anoutdoor environment and I wanted
to look at what would be best.
Would it be two gig, five gig,six gig, 60 gig, 24 gig, 11, 18?
What was I looking at?
What type of communications didthey need in order to solve the
problem that they had?
You have an area where a lot ofpeople show up for a specific
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amount of time and then theyleave, and when they show up,
they need to make sure thatthey've got good, easy
communication.
It has to just work the waythat they expect it to work.
It has to provide an insanelygood quality of experience for
the people that are there andwith all these things that are
out there.
You know private 5G and private4G and Wi-Fi, and you know Halo
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and IoT.
You know what can we do toleverage that.
So that's the premise of what Iwas trying to do, and so, if
you're listening on the podcast,I'm going to try and walk you
through some of what I have, butI encourage you to jump on
YouTube and watch the videoafterwards if you want to see
what some of these tools looklike.
So, that being said, let me diginto this just a little bit here
.
Let me switch this back over tothis mode.
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Okay, so now on the camera, youcan see this is my case.
This is the same case that Iuse for the wireless site survey
kit and the Wi-Fi survey kit.
This is a Nanik 936, you know935.
Sorry, this case has just beentremendous in the field.
It's a little, you know.
Honestly, I'm six.
You guys know me, or, if you doknow me, if you don't know me,
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I'm 6' five.
So it makes it a little bitdifficult sometimes to carry
around because the handledoesn't go as high up as I would
like it to go.
So I think I'm going to 3dprint like a little handle
extension on there.
But it's a great case.
It's super durable.
I've dropped it in water, I'vedragged it through airports,
I've stuffed it in overhead binsand I've obviously covered it
with lots and lots of stickersfrom some of my favorite peeps
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that are out there.
So if you want me to stick asticker on the case, feel free
to give me one the next time yousee me.
But that's not where the goodsare.
Let's open it up and see what'sinside.
So what I have here is the onethat I'm using specifically for
this has the dividers, it hasthe padded dividers and the
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padded insert in it and I wantedto make sure I had that,
because I'm carrying around asignificant amount of equipment
in here and I didn't want it tobreak.
It's moved around a little bit,but that's okay.
So if you just take a look offthe top, there's a couple things
that are in here.
I used it to store my batterycharger for my camera, so I
always take a no matter nomatter where I go.
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I was trying to take my bigcamera with me so I can get good
shots.
There's an extra charger therewith the USB-C cable.
This is actually the USB-Ccable from my Steam Deck so that
I could charge it and also usemy Steam Deck.
I try and pack independently ofevery device, so I don't say,
okay, well, you know what, I canuse this cable for this and
this and this.
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I don't ever try and do that.
I try and just keep one for one.
I figured that it's better todo that because inevitably
someone will be missing a cable,or I'll be missing a cable and
I'll have to use one fromsomewhere else.
So I know if I make a diligenteffort to go one for one, I'll
be safe.
The first thing that you seesitting on the top of this is
the Sidekick 2.
So always, always, good to have.
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You know you can't go wrongwith an Ekahau Sidekick 2.
I won this and it was notrigged, which was fantastic.
I won this at WLPC this year,so so great.
So obviously you know you seethis sitting in there.
It's the go-to right.
I mean, it's the product thatI've probably had the most
experience with out ofeverything in the bag.
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Maybe, yeah, that's probably afair statement.
So I know that if I need it, Ican use it.
But I also wanted to comparesome of the results that I saw
with different tools with theSidekick 2.
Where am I going to?
I'm going to stack all thisstuff up as I go through it.
So give me a second here.
Let me make some room on thedesk.
So the Sidekick 2 is in thereUnderneath that.
You start to see some coolstuff.
I'm going to take the chargerout for my Surface.
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I always carry a WindowsSurface as well as a MacBook.
I carry both because you neverknow.
You never know what you'regoing to run into, and the
Surface Pro is one of myfavorite pieces of equipment for
Windows users Inside there.
Let's go for some of the smallstuff first.
Everybody knows what this guyhas got my flipper zero in there
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, that's if I just I wanted touse this specifically with the
Wi Fi module.
Again, this is something that Igot at WPC last year when I
took the flipper course.
So if you're signing up for WPCand they're doing flipper again
, this I got from the flippercourse and it was great lesson
learned a lot about how to useit, uh, from Bashar and the rest
of the team that was out there.
It was really, really cool tosee.
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But I wanted to see what typeof tools I could leverage on the
flipper to count the number ofdevices and to see what was out
there.
Um, and so I use some of thetools the spectrum analyzer and
stuff I use that I look for someBLE information.
I didn't do anything nefariouswith it.
What I did specifically was tryand use it as a data collection
device, which was fun.
Didn't really yield any crazyresults.
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There were better ways to do it, but I figured what the hell I
was there.
Why not try it Underneath there?
Let's go over here.
I like this guy.
This is the new Baofeng radio.
This is like the little $20 onewith the big old crazy knob on
top.
I forgot the model number ofthis, but I am a ham operator,
I'm a licensed operator and so Ialways carry a radio with me
wherever I go, even if it's thischeap one.
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This is the K5 Plus fromBaofeng.
Now what I like about this oneand the reason I started making
this my quote unquote everydaycarry is because it's got a
really cool large color display.
That's in there, which is kindof neat.
It's got a knobbier knob, ifyou will, but the cool part is
right there.
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It's right there USB-C charging.
So I don't have to carry thatridiculous Baofeng charger with
me everywhere I go.
That and you can still on theside, where the speaker and the
mic port are.
If I can open it, you can stillprogram it using the same cable
.
So I carry my Baofeng cablewith me also.
So there you go here.
Ah, it's where the headset goes, or the charging cable right
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there on the side.
So I carry this with me also.
That way I can charge it Insidethere's my rubber ducky antenna
is in there somewhere.
This is the USB-C charger fromOseum for the Hamina Nomad.
Usb-c charger from Oseum forthe Hamina Nomad.
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I love this charger.
This is probably one of thecoolest things.
This is in my review for Hamina.
This is so dope.
A 65-watt charger.
Look at the bottom.
It's got the little.
It's got.
What is it?
I don't even know what it sayson there beside it QCS3 and PO3.
So it's got the ability topower a whole bunch of stuff
usbc or usb a coming off it,which is awesome.
So kudos, kudos on the chargingthere, ocm, and good job
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packaging that one.
Uh, then this is I man.
I forget the names.
This is the m.
I think it's the m or the r, Idon't know, don't kill me.
Uh, w lamp I team I.
There's no label on it, so Idon't remember what it is, but
it served exactly the purposethat I wanted it to serve.
So what I did with this is it'sgot the 802.11n antenna on the
side or the Wi-Fi adapter on theside of it, and I used it as
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well as the good old, reliableWLampi Pro.
I used both of those to runKismet, and so I ran Kismet
capturing stations and devices.
I wasn't really looking forpackets or anything.
I was just looking for clientcounts, how many devices were
out there.
I used both of those and I havea video.
I'll show you all the video alittle bit later.
I'm going to upload it.
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Where I needed to clientdevices in specific areas and so
I took it.
And you know, shout out to mybuddies at active expert and
wifi trainingcom.
I took, I took the WLAN pie andI threw it in here with a
battery and a cable, and then Iwent to a local business and I
said hey, do you mind if I juststick this behind your door real
quick?
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I need to collect some data.
And they didn't have anyproblem with it.
And I used a.
I actually used the case fromfrom the Nomad.
I put the WLAN Pi Pro insidethe Nomad case and I did the
same thing.
I just stashed it so I could.
So I could collect data withouthaving to be there.
And on that note, one of thethings I did that that I thought
was interesting, and I'll justshare this real quick is
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Kismet's a great tool, right,and all I'm looking for is I'm
just looking for informationabout how many devices I could
see when I could see them, overwhat time I could see them, how
long they stayed, if theyreturned, and unique device
counts.
This is part of my surveyexperiment.
Right Is understanding theenvironment not just from a
physical side and from a peopleside, but from a device side.
So if I'm going to build aWi-Fi network for you, I need to
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be able to load it properly,and the only way to do that is
to look at what that load isactually going to be.
And in a place where the natureof the visitors is very
transient, you want to make surethat you capture data of
maximum tonnage, if you will, ofhow many people or how many
devices are going to be there,not necessarily what they're
doing with it.
At this point, at this point, Ijust wanted to see how many of
them.
So I used Kismet for that.
It ended up being a great tool.
I actually used the NetAllyCyberscope, which is in the box
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also.
I'll talk about that in alittle bit.
But with Kismet I got it and Igot home I was like okay, great,
Let me just parse this datadude.
No, how like?
First of all, the.
The wlan pi pro doesn't havethe installed part of kismet
that allows you to export thekismet file to anything other
than regular kismet, unlessthere's one for wiggle that's in
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there.
But I couldn't get out to csvand I was like damn.
And so then I was like, allright, I break out the python.
And so I started to write somecode in python on the wlan pi
natively to see how I could, howI could parse that file, and I
was like this is dumb.
And so then I loaded up, uh,whatever the wls or wls or
whatever it's called, on thewindows, on the windows.
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Uh, deal, is it wls?
Where you can, where you'rerunning, you're basically
running ubuntu on top of yourwindows installation, wsl, um,
and so I tried to run on there.
It didn't work very well.
And I said, man, and I tried torun on my, where you're
basically running Ubuntu on topof your Windows installation,
wsl, and so I tried to run onthere and it didn't work very
well.
And I said, man, and I tried torun it on my Mac and it didn't
run well.
I was like, ah, so I wasgetting super frustrated.
And then I thought to myself,well, how am I going to parse a
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Kismet file?
So this is information for youthat you may or may not need but
be happy to share.
So instead of trying to figureit out and sound dumb and ask my
friends which I probably shouldhave done I got on the Discord
for Kismet which is great, bythe way, they have an incredible
community and I said, hey, howdo I open this?
How can I convert this?
Is there a freely availabletool?
And they're like, dude, it'sSQLite.
I said, well, what it's SQLite?
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And man did that bring backsome memories of looking through
the original files of theiPhone.
There is a free-for-use browsercalled DB Browser for SQLite
that you can download.
And if you download DB Browserfor SQLite, let me Hold on.
Give me a second.
Let me wrestle with sharing myscreen, hey y'all.
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So I experienced a little bitof a technical issue right here
where I switched to screensharing and it cut my audio off.
Now I talk about it here injust a second what I was doing,
but essentially I was looking atdownloading the Kismet log
files and then figuring out away to open them up, and I did
that using the SQLite program,db Browser.
So DB Browser opens up SQLitefiles.
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It's free, it's availableonline DB Browser.
So DB Browser opens up SQLitefiles.
It's free, it's availableonline and that's what I did.
So sorry, I apologize.
There's about five minuteswhere you can't hear me, so I
thought I would just pop in here.
Now back to your regularlyscheduled programming.
Trying to figure out whoopsie,trying to figure out what I was
doing, I just opened it up in indb browser.
So, um, the soundbite here isif you want to open up a kismet
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file, there's a very easy way todo it without having to export
it.
You just download db browser.
It's a free for use browser forsqlite, because kismet dot,
kismet files are sqlite and youcan open it up.
You have access to all the andfrom there you can export it
however you wish.
So very cool trick that Ilearned this week.
Now, once I did that, once I didthat, I said, okay, well, how
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am I going to graph it?
So I was like man, I got aTableau.
I love Tableau, you know likelet's use a 500 pound hammer for
a roofing nail.
So I opened up Tableau and,dude, I can remember how to use
Tableau.
So I get on chat, gpt, and I'mlike how do I do this and how do
I do that.
And, man, all of a sudden itoccurred to me that I'm a moron
and that I can just take theexport CSV from DB browser of
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the Kismet file and I can justdump it directly into chat GPT
and then have chat GPT do all ofthe things that I want to do.
And so I was like, well, okay,so I dumped it in there and I
said I typed in I think, show mea graph of every 10 minutes
aggregate devices over thecourse of when you first saw the
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first device and you last sawthe last device, broken down
into 10 minute increments, andgraph what that looks like.
Dude, two seconds later,there's my graph.
So the lesson that I learned iswork smarter, not harder.
Sqlite for Kismet and then dumpthat CSV file directly into
ChatGPT and let ChatGPT do allthe data parsing for you.
So I did that and it was great.
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What a cool use of the WLAN Pi,one of my favorite tools that's
out there, an easy way tocollect stuff.
And I'll tell you that what Ireally liked is the ability to
natively not on this little guy,unless I didn't follow the menu
structure correctly but on thepro um, going in there and
natively launching it just onthe touchscreen.
I didn't have to connect acomputer or do anything.
I just got on the WLAN Pi Proand went to applications.
I went to Kismet start Kismet.
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I ran it.
I came back, I picked it up, Ihit stop, I hit shutdown, I
brought it home, I moved thefiles over and that's it.
So WLAN Pi Pro, once againproving to be one of the most
important tools in this entiretool bag.
This is why it was built.
Y'all.
I mean, that's fantastic.
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Okay, so we keep moving on.
Let's see what is inside herethe Hack 5 case.
I love this little case.
I didn't bring a pineapple, butI could have brought a
pineapple.
What I'll do is I'll unzip thisand show it.
Of course, my hack RF is insidethere and I had this idea that
I was going to use the, that Iwas going to use a hack RF to
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start to do cell snooping and tolook at how many devices I
could get on there, and I didn'treally want to blur the line
with how illegal that couldpossibly be if someone were to
connect to my device.
So I left that alone.
Instead, I used it as an SDRand I listened to some radio
chatter that was out there.
You know, a win in Rome, right?
So the HackRF proved to not beas useful as I thought it was
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going to be at all, because itwould blur the lines with
legality.
So I left the HackRF alone,except running the SDR
components on there, and that'sall that's in there.
There's a cord, I think, andsome rubber ducky antennas.
All right, let's see what elsewe got in here.
Let's talk about this guy, theCyberscope.
Now, in retrospect, I shouldhave brought the AirCheck G3
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with me, except I don't have anAirCheck G3.
I have a G2, but I should havebrought the G2.
But then I thought you know,this basically does a lot of the
same stuff that the other onedoes.
So I took this guy out thereand I ran it again and I was
using this is the 500-poundhammer for a roofing nail and I
was like, what can I do with it?
I just want to know what I'mseeing out there.
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And I ran it just in scannermode and I just watched
everything that came across,thinking okay, let's see what
kind of information it gives me.
And I looked at it and all of asudden it stopped at 2,500.
And I was like, oh man.
So I talked to Julio and Dan andyou know, and it's there's,
there's very good reasons forall of that.
I was using it for somethingthat wasn't necessarily being
able to be or not.
I was using it for somethingthat it wasn't built to be used
for.
But it does have a $2,500device limit on here and that's
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APs and clients.
So again Kismet.
Then you know, kismet's justgoing to run until it runs you
out of space on your memory card.
So Kismet proved a little bitstronger there than tool,
because I was doing somethingsuper, you know, remedial with
it.
But but, dude, link live, ifyou haven't logged into link
live lately on net ally, holymoly, I hit the button Cause you
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know, with with any of the,with the net ally devices, the
coolest thing is you can press abutton and you can have an
automatically uploaded link live.
So I did that.
I log into link live and, dude,the dashboards are so sick,
they're so well done that itgave me such an incredible
breakdown that that itencouraged, that's what
encouraged me to go back and askyou chat gpt to start running
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all the things in.
You know the breakdown of whatwas happening in kismet because
it's just so clean and sobeautiful, and Link Live is such
a cool tool.
So kudos to the NetAlly teamfor having that tool.
You know that they make allthat available.
It's just really neat.
But again, I was using aCyberscope to do client device
counts, so probably notrecommended from the
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manufacturer.
Then we get down into the funstuff.
So let's get rid of some ofthese power cables.
Again, I take a power cable orUSB cable for everything you
know, I take its own individualone, but right underneath there
is this guy.
So this is the Epic Prism.
So this in combination withthis, there we go.
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There's the tablet and with theEpic Prism on there, this is
the Epic solution.
From well, it's Epic solution,but it's what IB Wave uses also,
and I use this to scan LTE and5G, and I use this to go out and
understand how many carriers,how many channels, how many
providers were out there on the4G and 5G space, which was crazy
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, because the place I was atdidn't have any 5G at all, which
was weird.
So I didn't really get to seethat.
It scanned all the channels butdidn't find anything.
And then I thought, well, maybeit doesn't work, so I had to go
on OpenSignal.
If you're not familiar withOpenSignal, if you go to
OpenSignalcom or if you downloadthe app, you can look on there
and it shows you a lot was fast,it was efficient, it was great
at scanning channels, it workedreally well.
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It gave me a lot of really gooddata that I could pull out and
I could look at specificallywith what it was happening in
the 4G and 5G space, and so thisis such a cool tool.
It's very, very simple, it'svery easy to use and you can use
this in conjunction with IBWave.
So I've got a product reviewusing IB Wave with this coming
up later, but I do want to talkabout it.
You know from that aspect thatit was very simple, very easy to
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use.
It runs browser-based and itjust initiates a scan.
It runs through five cycles ofthe scan scan like 11,000
channels or something like that.
It does a really really goodjob.
So that's what I use to do mymy 4g, 5g scanning um on the
right hand side, then insidehere.
Y'all have seen this.
This, this is such a cool tool.
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Um, this is what uh, whathumming is using to do on-site
surveys and to do datacollection and the nomad, if you
haven't seen it, this is whatit looks like.
Um, it's got the usb port onthe sides and it's got one over
on this side, right there, andit's very lightweight compared
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to the echo house sidekick andone of the things that blew my
mind when I saw it you see thatlittle button right there.
It's compatible with peak design.
So a lot of us and I think, uh,I think keith parsons was to
blame or hollingsworth I'mpretty sure it was keith,
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because keith always goes andgets.
I don't know where keith, Idon't know where you find this
stuff.
He goes out and gets the stuff.
He comes back with all thisgear from peak design.
He's like man, this is my newbackpack.
I'm going to try it out.
Well then, every one of us whodoes photography which there's a
lot of nerds that dophotography, by the way every
one of us that does photographystarted looking at the Peak
stuff going wait a minute, I canuse that for my IT stuff.
So when they included the Peakcompatibility on here so that
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you can use you can hang it fromyour backpack or you can hang
it from your belt loop orwhatever it is using Peak, this
is such a big deal.
It's simple and it's easy andit's awesome because this is
what some of my camera strapslook like, this is what my
backpack looks like, this iswhat there's a lot of stuff out
there.
So the compatibility with Peakwas really really neat to see
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Kudos to the.
I don't know who put those onthere, I don't know if it was
OCM or if it was Humina, but putthose on there.
I don't know if it was OCM orif it was Humina, but whoever
did that awesome.
So this is the spectrum analyzer.
It ties in with Humina so thatyou can use it to do your site
surveys, to collect the data.
So we did data collection withthis.
Well, we tried to do datacollection with this until I
realized I wasn't licensed to beusing this.
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So I'm going to have to doanother review where I'm
actually licensed to use this.
But it's okay.
I have a very cool one comingup, but I did have a license for
this guy, the CEDOS and I wentout and used the CEDOS Wave and
I collected some data here.
And if you haven't used thisproduct, it is such a simple,
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ridiculously simple interfacehere and they keep making all of
these software updates on theirwebsite.
So if you haven't checked themout, check out the CETOS Wave Go
, look at what they're doing.
They post a lot of really goodcontent on LinkedIn and you can
see what they're scanning outthere.
So I use this to do my Wi-Fiscans, to understand what was
happening in the Wi-Fienvironment when people were
there and when people weren'tthere.
I have individual reviews foreach one of these so I won't
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drill into them too much, butthat's the bulk of what's in the
case.
Now, up at the top is all theaccoutrements, the fixins, as we
say in the South.
I've got USB chargers, I've gotantennas.
I've got oh, look at this here.
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There you go Y-Spy DBX.
I've got the Y-Spy in there.
I've got the Y spy in there.
I've got the net ally versionof it.
I've got, uh it's.
It's honestly just a wholebunch of cables and connectors
and things like that.
But this case, when you puteverything in there together, I
mean I've got 4g and 5g covered,covered, right there.
I've got my radio that I canuse, sitting right there on the
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side.
I've got the Epic sittingbeside the tablet that it comes
in.
Then I can take my Oseum device.
I can load the uh, the, theNomad in there.
Close this thing up, all right,stick that over there.
Then I've got my HackRF,because, dude, you should always
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carry a HackRF with you.
You should always carry asoftware-defined radio.
A little power cord action,cyberscope, cyberscope, wlampi
Pro, baby WLampi, flipper, whatelse?
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This awesome, awesome poweradapter Over there.
I've got my power cords, I'vegot my sidekick.
Throw that thing in there, sealit up, call it a day.
That is the quick tour, 30minutes later, of what my case
looks like.
Now I'm going to use this as asecond to go over and see if
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anybody's making.
You had no audio while lookingat the db light.
Oh man, I wonder what happenedto my audio.
Whoa interesting, I don't know.
Is there audio now?
Let me turn it up.
Can I hear?
Can I hear myself?
That would be a total bummer ifI didn't have any audio this
whole time.
No, no, I have audio.
Okay, cool.
Well, that's the top chat ofthe day, anyway.
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So that's what I got going onwith with those things.
I'll be sharing some of theresults of what I did there.
I came back in and I modeled.
I'm doing some modeling of theRF environment using two
different tool sets right now.
One is I'm using Hamina to dothe Wi-Fi and the CBRS stuff, so
just always looking at CBRS.
And then I'm using Cambium'sLink Planner to model out some
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of the 60 gig stuff.
I haven't started that projectyet, but I've got it open and I
need to start adding sites to it.
So I'm looking at a combinationof 60 gigahertz for back, all
the TerraGraph stuff.
I'm looking at Wi-Fi, I'mlooking at CBRS, I'm looking at
private cellular.
There's a lot of things thatcan go into this and use case
may vary depending on whatyou're trying to do with it.
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The tools that you use and howyou use them are totally up to
you.
What I would recommend is letme stop and think just off the
cuff, any lessons learned fromthe last from this survey that I
did, because it's been a whilesince I've been out in the field
with all the tools and youalways forget stuff.
You know, I would say thebiggest problem that I had was
parsing the Kismet log filesuntil I got smart and remembered
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that I could do that with Chat,gpt, uh.
So there's that um, oh, lettowers.
That says I'm taking all thosetools to Prague.
Oh, sweet man.
So if you're at WLPC in Prague.
You can see all of this stuff.
They all independently workgreat and when you combine all
the data it's phenomenal.
I didn't have any major issues.
I'll tell you that, god, I, youknow, I, I love the vendors
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that play in the space and Iwill say that the two big
standouts I would say the threebig standouts from what I was
doing NetAlly, I mean just God,it just works so well all the
time.
It's just so good.
And Link Live is so good.
And then the Epic Prism was myfirst time using it out in the
field like this, collecting dataand finding out how simple it
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was to use and run, wastremendous.
My camera I use my iPhone for alot of stuff but dude, that
WLAN Pi coming in clutch clutchfor what I was doing with it.
I was doing device counts, Iwasn't doing propagation, I
wasn't doing RF surveys, I wasjust doing device counts.
But the WLAN Pi running Kismetwas absolutely clutch in that.
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Now, if I'm doing Wi-Fi and I'msurveying an area, we surveyed
parts of the area and insurveying, all the tools work
pretty similarly.
I will say that independently.
There are some pros and cons toeach one of them.
Sidekick 2 is a little bitheavier.
Sidekick 2 also requires a lotof software load in order to do
the propagation stuff.
But it runs awesome on the appand when you do the JustGo
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survey it works tremendouslywell.
The CETO stuff worked really,really well.
I will say my only problem withthe CETO is carrying it is
actually having to hold itwithout, because I feel bad if I
stick it in my pocket or if Ihang it on my side, just because
if you haven't been to a WLPCthen you haven't heard about the
attenuation that your bodycauses when you hang these
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things on the side of your bodyand I.
There's gotta be a better wayfor us to do surveys.
And I keep going back to thestupid thing that Jim Florwick
and I talked about.
That seems so meaningful and Iknow some of the other people in
the industry have talked aboutit.
But I think Jim and I startedtalking about it like jokingly
and then we started to design itand then that's where it got
scary.
We just need to build a hatwith antenna elements in it and
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it sounds so dumb.
But we need a better way to dosite surveys because the CETOS
thing is so quick and so fast,but it gets really.
It's not heavy until you're,you know, 2,000 steps in and
then it gets heavy and you'relike, ah, what do I do with this
thing?
2,000 steps in, and then itgets heavy and you're like, ah,
what do I do with this thing?
You know where do I put it inorder to get it.
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So I would say that's the onlything there.
The Hamina tool, especiallyworking with Oseum Oseum has
always produced incredibleproducts and, knowing that those
two are coupled together, to methere's such a better story
there.
It's not about the Nomad andhow well it works, and it's not
about Hamina and how well thatworks.
It.
It's not about Hamina and howwell that works.
It's about these are twovendors that are getting
together to do something.
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And God, I just hope for theday that I can grab the data
from my NetAlly scope or my G3or the AirCheck or whatever and
dump it into Hamina and takeHamina and export it to Link
Live or some of that back andforth.
I love that there's alreadysome convergence of that
happening with OCM and Hamina,so I can't wait to see where
that goes in the future.
And then you know, I will say,the downside is only having one
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tool to do 4G, 5g.
I only had one.
You know, there was only onething that I could get out there
I want an Aronia spectrumanalyzer.
I think every nerd that hasseen one wants one.
But the problem is, dude,there's six grand, like that's.
So there's that, you know.
But I guess it's a tool of thetrade and if this is what you're
doing day to day, then you canafford to do that.
I do like the.
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The recommendation of a wifisombrero.
I will take it all day andnight.
On that note, if you, if youhave anything from a, if you're
any fan of South Texas oranything of Hispanic culture
like where I live, you'll behappy to know that.
I went on a hunt this morningand I don't know if you can see
this or not.
I'm just going to hold it up.
There is a Nestle AbuelitaCoffee Mate creamer for your
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coffee.
So La Abuelita has a coffeecreamer.
I bought two.
Utah, give me two.
I bought two of them thismorning at our local HEB.
So if you need one, let me knowand I'll ship you one, but I
will eat that chocolate anyway.
So Wi-Fi sombrero, let's go.
W Lampi with cellular.
Yeah, totally agree, I justneed a good.
I need a good dongle, I need agood.
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I'm now seeing that my videodidn't come out of me holding
the coffee mate creamer up tothe camera, but whatever, yeah,
wlm, pyrocellular, I mean, wherethere's a will, there's a way,
right, we just need the correctthing to do that.
But other than that, no man, itwas really fun to be out in the
field.
It was really fun to be outcollecting data and talking to
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people, and I don't know howmany of y'all do this.
I stop and talk to a lot ofpeople.
I talk to shop owners.
I talk to people walking downthe street.
I talk to people walking theirdog.
I went to a bar and drink a shotand talk to a guy who deploys
fortinet.
Shout out to the, to thehomeboy in nebraska deploying
fortinet, wearing the fortinetbeanie in alaska, high-fiving
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that dude uh, devin aiken, bythe wayvin's name.
I'm sitting at a bar in Alaska.
Not only was it weird to have adude sitting beside me wearing
a Fortinet beanie, but then hegoes.
Yeah, we do some wifi stuff.
We've got this guy.
He's going to come out and dosome wifi training for us.
You know, in a couple of weeksand he says I think his name is,
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uh, his name is Devin Aiken.
And I about spit my whiskeyacross the bar, devin, and I
said, make sure you like to hug,anyway, the brother from
another wireless mother.
Mr Devin Aiken, you would behappy to know that your name
came up sitting in a bar inAlaska.
It's just so.
I mean, this is the wirelessindustry, y'all you can't go too
far.
Speaking of the wirelessindustry, let me dig into a uh,
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uh something real quick.
I don't want to.
I don't want to.
You know there's not.
I don't want to say thatthere's not a lot of news.
I'm sure a lot of stuffhappened, but I've literally had
my head in the clouds for thelast 10 days.
Uh, juniper mist introducedtheir wifi seven access point.
Totally cool to see, veryexcited, um, I believe.
Um, let me see, I don'tremember the specs on it.
I'm not even going to try andlook it up.
You guys can look it up.
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Go check out the new JuniperMist Wi-Fi 7 access point.
So happy for them, especiallymoving into Wi-Fi 7.
A lot of people were skepticalabout what's happening with
Juniper, with the whole HPacquisition, but glad to see
that everything is pushingforward the way that it's
supposed to.
Wwc Worldwide Congress inGeneva the the Wi-Fi Now
Worldwide Congress in Genevajust happened.
Great to see some postingscoming out of there.
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I didn't get to catch up on allthe news.
It was neat to see peopletalking about Wi-Fi offload,
passpoint offload, private 5Gthings that are bigger than just
the Wi-Fi world, what'shappening in wireless and,
speaking of that, the ThingsConference was this past week
and a lot of news to digest fromthere.
Um, the things, the thingsnetwork introduced their own pro
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gateway to connect to lauradevices, so a lot of news that
was happening there.
I didn't see a lot of pop-upsabout halo.
I was interested in seeing ifwi-fi halo was going to make a
big impression at the thingsconferences here, but again, I
haven't had a chance to dig intoit.
So if you know anything, pleasedrop me a line.
I was.
I was keen to see that becauseit's always traditionally been
laura, lore, wham ble, some ofthe iot stuff, but wi-fi halo
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man, I mean there's some.
There's some good stuffhappening there.
You know, edge core has their,their new device that supports
halo meshing and when they hitproduction I've already been
told they're going to send mesome so I get to play with wi-Fi
Halo, totally stoked about that.
Next week, meter is doing theirMeter Up conference, so you're
going to find a lot of thepeople that you probably follow
and a few of you that probablylisten to this podcast.
I will see you all next week inSan Francisco.
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That's going to be really funand we're going to go over all
things Meter.
So I don't know if they'regoing to be making any big
announcements while we're outthere.
I know that they're doing someincredible stuff and their
command product is absolutelygame-changing.
So I'm so excited to see peoplethat I know and that I respect
sitting beside me seeing thishands-on for the first time.
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I think I'm just going to belooking around watching people
make faces in awe, realizingwhat this means for the industry
5G slicing versus privatecellular networks so this is
getting a lot of coverage.
I saw in a couple different newssources that the conversation
started to come up about 5Gslicing, which is something
that's now being introduced inthe United States.
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Apparently, it's big in Indiaand China already.
And what's better?
Is it better to have your ownprivate cellular network or is
it better to slice pieces off ofa public cellular network
Verizon, t-mobile, et cetera,and along those lines.
T-mobile is now offeringsomething to compete with
FirstNet where they are offeringup a public safety slice,
starting in New York City, wherethey can serve public safety
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just on a 5G network slice ofthat network.
So interested to see how that'sgoing to start changing the
industry.
It's not even a mobile virtualnetwork operator.
This is like this is your ownprivate slice of the carrier
network.
I mean that's awesome, and isit better than having private
cellular network?
I don't think.
I think it depends on use case.
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I don't think it's going towork for everyone, but I don't
think the other one's gonna workfor everyone.
Um, and erickson straight upsaying that they have a daz
killer.
The daz killer, the ericksondaz killer, the Daz killer, the
Ericsson Daz killer and theirDaz killer, you might imagine,
is some crazy piece of equipmentthat's going to take down
distributed antenna systems.
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Dude, they're talking aboutCBRS.
They're talking about neutralhost CBRS.
Daz killer yeah, it sounds waybetter when they say it.
Ericsson's Manish Tiwari, who'dbeen head of private cellular
at Swedish Fender Cradle PointsUnit.
This is one advantage of beingin Ericsson.
We've got great relationshipswith the service providers.
So what they're saying isthey're saying we can do CBRS
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and we can do neutral host CBRS,and the reason why is because
they have great relationshipsand that's what makes them the
Daz killer.
Have great relationships andthat's what makes them the DAS
killer.
Distributed antenna systems havebeen used for years to ensure
cell phone signaling aroundcampuses, earning reputations
being expensive to install for4G and 5G, but now, using CBRS,
ericsson says they have a DASkiller.
Hello and welcome to a longtime ago.
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I think anyone who's been doingCBRS can tell you yeah, uh,
that's good that you're playingcatch up all of a sudden.
And as far as neutral host man,the team over at Solona I mean
it's great that Erickson'ssaying it Solona's been doing
this for a minute.
Solona's got a lot of stuffdoing.
Solona just launched in China,so take a look at what is
happening in that space.
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Neutral host private cellularnetworks are really, really cool
, especially when you enable BAM48 on LTE using some of this
stuff.
So, dan Jones, thanks for thearticle, and fierce as usual,
and I think that's about that'sall I'm going to talk about for
the what's new, what's now,what's next?
I do.
I do want to bring up somethingthat I thought was that I've
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seen more of right, and it's nota bad thing.
And I had this chat with PeterMcKenzie, who's you know who's
spearheading the WICO project.
We've got WLPC, which hasalways been the group that we
always go to, and the WirelessLAN Professional Conference is
where we all get together, weall hang out, we all see each
other.
But there have been otherthings that have spawned off of
that, and that's not a bad thing, I think it's a very good thing
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.
So WICO was one of them.
Timo had another one that justwent down in Germany, and then
you've got Wi-Fi.
Now World Congress that'shappening, and I want to make
sure that the content at theseis different, and I don't have
any say in any of them, exceptfor WLPC, where we're given the
ability to choose what we wantto hear.
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So to me, that one still standshead and shoulders above
everything, because the industrysubmits what they want to talk
about, and by the industry Imean you.
I don't mean, yeah, sir ciscogets in there, and and yeah, you
know whoever gets in there.
And we always you know, evenwhen I worked at a vendor we
never try, we don't go in ascisco, we go in as, you know,
drew, or we don't go in ascradle point, we go in as ian.
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You know what I mean.
So so you, you get that choiceand I think that that's great
and that's always been thestaple of WLPC.
But if that's the place that weget the choice, then all the
other ones I get it that they'resmaller and they're more
directed at specific areas, andthe people that can't make it
out to the big conferencetotally understand that.
I just don't want to seeregurgitation of information
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starting to happen, Because whenthat happens I feel like we get
inside of a bubble, we getinside of an echo chamber, and
if we get inside of an echochamber and we start thinking,
you know, if we start believingour own bullshit, then that is
where our industry is going tostart to get hurt.
If you just hear the samepeople talking about the same
thing over and, over and overagain and we just all start
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barbing our heads saying yes,then that becomes a little bit
of an issue, and that's myconcern.
With all of these thingsbranching out, I would love to
see different things,specifically to industry or to
market, and I know that this isstill early and I'm not trying
to be critical of it.
I think that it's great.
I really think it's great.
Nothing ever comes down toSouth Texas, so if something was
here, I would think it would betremendous.
I just don't want us to getstuck in a loop where we're
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saying the same thing over andover and over again and no one
is offering any counterpoint toit.
So that was my thing.
I just see so many of them andI'm so excited to see so many
people doing conferences and allthese places that people can go
.
I don't think it's going todilute the space at all.
I just want to make sure thatwe don't introduce our own
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feedback issues.
So that's my two cents.
Anyway, it's been 45 minutes andthis has gone longer than it
normally goes.
I appreciate you listening andhanging out.
Let me check the YouTubechannel one more time to see
who's complaining about stuff.
See you at meet up at meter up.
Yes, yes, I'm excited.
I'm guys, I'm very excited.
Or, as they say, as the kidssay yo chat, I'm very excited.
They're going to show off someSigma equipment.
It's going to not be skibbityat all.
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Anyway, it's going to be reallycool.
Man, I'm totally stoked andit's gonna be great to see some
familiar faces out there, so,looking forward to that.
I don't know if I'm going to doa podcast from there.
I moved this podcast to aFriday from Tuesday because
Tuesday was acting kind of weirdand I, you know, I want to make
sure that I could at least getsome content out.
But if you have any questions,if you want to join us, let me
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know.
Also, a big shout out to ourbuddy, alexis just land just
announced that she is going.
She got a job.
She joined the team over at aplace that I have never heard of
.
So I would like it someday ifshe she was actually going to
try and join us this week, butshe didn't.
Because I do want to talk toher about getting a job in this
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space right now with the currentcondition of what it is.
Because she was.
She was released from Cisco andI was laid off from Cisco and
what I have seen in the lastyear has been uh, in the last
six months even has been crazy.
You get a job, she's atmegaport I was gonna say
matterport and totally screwedup, but she's at megaport.
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I have no idea what megaportdoes so I'm excited to learn
from our friend alexis what theydo.
Um, anyway, it's.
It's tough, and if you've beenlaid off, I'm sorry that sucks,
but use your personalconnections is going to be my
only piece of advice, because Ihave found all these cool things
(42:29):
.
I'm like, oh man, that'd begreat.
I sent an application to theFIFA communications team two
days ago.
I was like hell, yeah, I'llhelp FIFA.
I'm looking at this as anopportunistic way, but, dude, I
will tell you that the responsesare few and far between.
It's like people are justhoarding information and I say
that having heard that from alot of people, and then when I
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started to put some out thereexperiencing that, it's like,
dude, if you say you've got ajob opening, the least you could
do is respond every once in awhile, so anyway.
So I want to talk to Alexisabout that and why she ended up
over at Megaport.
The last thing that I will sayis I know that there's a lot of
people who live in the GulfCoast.
We just spent time in Sarasotafor Wi-Fi Now World Congress
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earlier this year, and Tampa andSarasota got absolutely nailed
with the hurricane.
If you have any friends thatlive in the area between you
know, from South Florida all theway up through Atlanta and now
into South Carolina.
Reach out to them, make surethey're okay.
If there's anything you knowthat can be done, let them know.
Itdrc has already sent outactivation alerts.
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If you're not part of ITDRC,please sign up for ITDRC.
If you have the means and theability to do it, you can go
volunteer and help out.
I know Cisco's probably rollingtheir trucks out there as well,
but there's a lot that can bedone to help people because they
absolutely got devastated withthe storm in Tampa, sarasota and
then up into Tallahassee.
So please reach out to yourfriends and let them know that
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you're thinking about them andlet them know if there's
anything that you can do to helpthem.
I say that as a kid from theGulf Coast.
Even a simple text message goesa really long way.
So that's it for the week.
Next week, like I said, we'llbe at Meter Up, we'll be in San
Fran, so maybe I'll do thepodcast from there.
Get a couple, two, threespecial guests, have some fun.
Hopefully not get my car brokeninto and my podcast equipment
stolen.
Again, that sucked, but I hopeyou all have a tremendous.
Drew Lentz, the Wireless Nerd.
Today is September 27th 2024.
I just got back from a 10-dayadventure from Texas to
California, to Alaska and back,and had a tremendous time doing
some great stuff, got a wholelot of questions because of some
things that I posted onlinesome pictures of my survey kit
and so what I wanted to do todayis not just cover what's new,
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what's now, what's next.
There's some interesting thingsthat are happening in the news
some big pushes on 5G, lots oftalk about 5G slicing.
I do want to talk about I saw awhole bunch of wireless events.
So this week we had the ThingsConference, but there was
another event that I can'tproperly pronounce because it's
in German, sorry, timo.
So Timo is doing that event.
And then we've got Ycode andwe've got WLPC.
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All these things are happening,and so I'm wondering if now
there's all of these events whenthere only used to be a couple,
and what that's going to do.
Does that fragment at all ourindustry, or are they covering
different things?
I'm curious.
I'm also curious about feedback, so I'll try my best to keep up
with everything.
Probably the best way if you dowant to ask questions is jump
(01:04):
on YouTube, youtubecom, slash atwireless nerd, if you get on
there.
We crossed our 1,000 user mark.
We're at about 1,500subscribers now, which is
fantastic.
So jump on the YouTube.
I'll try and field thequestions for there, but I do
want to show.
Let's see.
Where is it.
Is it there?
Oh, here we go.
So this is what I want to talkabout today, because I got a lot
of questions about specificallywhat this is and what's inside
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there.
This is my go kit.
This is the kit that I takewith me when I go to different
sites to go do a survey, to gograb information, to go grab
data, to go look at a site.
This is one of the things thatI carry Now.
I always carry my Wi-Fi surveykit if I'm doing an active
survey.
So in there I've got.
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You know, if you go towifisurveykitcom, you can see
all the information about that.
Obviously, we built that for theindustry, by the industry, a
whole bunch of years back.
We wanted, you know, a cost, acost capable piece of equipment
that wireless engineer couldgrab and take with them, and so
we built that thing and that'sgot the tripod and it's got the
wifi stand and it's got thelaser range finder and the
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batteries and the flashlight andall the goodies that go in
there.
But this is all this one overhere.
This is where it's at, so letme try and make sure this popped
up here.
Are you seeing it?
Yes, you're seeing it.
Oh, very good.
Very good, we can take a lookat what's inside here and a
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little bit of background on whatit is.
First and foremost is, as Imentioned, I had a project that
I was working on that I went outof town for, and the project
was to complete a RF survey anda feasibility study for
deploying a wireless network,wireless communications.
I'm going to leave some of thenames out of it, but it was
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great, it was beautiful.
It was up in Alaska, which wasmy first time up there.
It was incredible.
And they said, hey look, weneed good wireless
communications, but we don'tknow what we need and we don't
know how much of it we need.
And we don't know what we needand we don't know how much of it
we need and we don't know whatwe have.
So I said, perfect.
So inside my little magical box,I took every tool that I could
think of to go measureeverything that was out there.
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But I also wanted to gethands-on with a lot of the tools
and really in the field, not inan indoor environment.
This is specifically in anoutdoor environment and I wanted
to look at what would be best.
Would it be two gig, five gig,six gig, 60 gig, 24 gig, 11, 18?
What was I looking at?
What type of communications didthey need in order to solve the
problem that they had?
You have an area where a lot ofpeople show up for a specific
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amount of time and then theyleave, and when they show up,
they need to make sure thatthey've got good, easy
communication.
It has to just work the waythat they expect it to work.
It has to provide an insanelygood quality of experience for
the people that are there andwith all these things that are
out there.
You know private 5G and private4G and Wi-Fi, and you know Halo
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and IoT.
You know what can we do toleverage that.
So that's the premise of what Iwas trying to do, and so, if
you're listening on the podcast,I'm going to try and walk you
through some of what I have, butI encourage you to jump on
YouTube and watch the videoafterwards if you want to see
what some of these tools looklike.
So, that being said, let me diginto this just a little bit here
.
Let me switch this back over tothis mode.
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Okay, so now on the camera, youcan see this is my case.
This is the same case that Iuse for the wireless site survey
kit and the Wi-Fi survey kit.
This is a Nanik 936, you know935.
Sorry, this case has just beentremendous in the field.
It's a little, you know.
Honestly, I'm six.
You guys know me, or, if you doknow me, if you don't know me,
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I'm 6' five.
So it makes it a little bitdifficult sometimes to carry
around because the handledoesn't go as high up as I would
like it to go.
So I think I'm going to 3dprint like a little handle
extension on there.
But it's a great case.
It's super durable.
I've dropped it in water, I'vedragged it through airports,
I've stuffed it in overhead binsand I've obviously covered it
with lots and lots of stickersfrom some of my favorite peeps
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that are out there.
So if you want me to stick asticker on the case, feel free
to give me one the next time yousee me.
But that's not where the goodsare.
Let's open it up and see what'sinside.
So what I have here is the onethat I'm using specifically for
this has the dividers, it hasthe padded dividers and the
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padded insert in it and I wantedto make sure I had that,
because I'm carrying around asignificant amount of equipment
in here and I didn't want it tobreak.
It's moved around a little bit,but that's okay.
So if you just take a look offthe top, there's a couple things
that are in here.
I used it to store my batterycharger for my camera, so I
always take a no matter nomatter where I go.
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I was trying to take my bigcamera with me so I can get good
shots.
There's an extra charger therewith the USB-C cable.
This is actually the USB-Ccable from my Steam Deck so that
I could charge it and also usemy Steam Deck.
I try and pack independently ofevery device, so I don't say,
okay, well, you know what, I canuse this cable for this and
this and this.
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I don't ever try and do that.
I try and just keep one for one.
I figured that it's better todo that because inevitably
someone will be missing a cable,or I'll be missing a cable and
I'll have to use one fromsomewhere else.
So I know if I make a diligenteffort to go one for one, I'll
be safe.
The first thing that you seesitting on the top of this is
the Sidekick 2.
So always, always, good to have.
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You know you can't go wrongwith an Ekahau Sidekick 2.
I won this and it was notrigged, which was fantastic.
I won this at WLPC this year,so so great.
So obviously you know you seethis sitting in there.
It's the go-to right.
I mean, it's the product thatI've probably had the most
experience with out ofeverything in the bag.
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Maybe, yeah, that's probably afair statement.
So I know that if I need it, Ican use it.
But I also wanted to comparesome of the results that I saw
with different tools with theSidekick 2.
Where am I going to?
I'm going to stack all thisstuff up as I go through it.
So give me a second here.
Let me make some room on thedesk.
So the Sidekick 2 is in thereUnderneath that.
You start to see some coolstuff.
I'm going to take the chargerout for my Surface.
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I always carry a WindowsSurface as well as a MacBook.
I carry both because you neverknow.
You never know what you'regoing to run into, and the
Surface Pro is one of myfavorite pieces of equipment for
Windows users Inside there.
Let's go for some of the smallstuff first.
Everybody knows what this guyhas got my flipper zero in there
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, that's if I just I wanted touse this specifically with the
Wi Fi module.
Again, this is something that Igot at WPC last year when I
took the flipper course.
So if you're signing up for WPCand they're doing flipper again
, this I got from the flippercourse and it was great lesson
learned a lot about how to useit, uh, from Bashar and the rest
of the team that was out there.
It was really, really cool tosee.
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But I wanted to see what typeof tools I could leverage on the
flipper to count the number ofdevices and to see what was out
there.
Um, and so I use some of thetools the spectrum analyzer and
stuff I use that I look for someBLE information.
I didn't do anything nefariouswith it.
What I did specifically was tryand use it as a data collection
device, which was fun.
Didn't really yield any crazyresults.
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There were better ways to do it, but I figured what the hell I
was there.
Why not try it Underneath there?
Let's go over here.
I like this guy.
This is the new Baofeng radio.
This is like the little $20 onewith the big old crazy knob on
top.
I forgot the model number ofthis, but I am a ham operator,
I'm a licensed operator and so Ialways carry a radio with me
wherever I go, even if it's thischeap one.
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This is the K5 Plus fromBaofeng.
Now what I like about this oneand the reason I started making
this my quote unquote everydaycarry is because it's got a
really cool large color display.
That's in there, which is kindof neat.
It's got a knobbier knob, ifyou will, but the cool part is
right there.
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It's right there USB-C charging.
So I don't have to carry thatridiculous Baofeng charger with
me everywhere I go.
That and you can still on theside, where the speaker and the
mic port are.
If I can open it, you can stillprogram it using the same cable
.
So I carry my Baofeng cablewith me also.
So there you go here.
Ah, it's where the headset goes, or the charging cable right
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there on the side.
So I carry this with me also.
That way I can charge it Insidethere's my rubber ducky antenna
is in there somewhere.
This is the USB-C charger fromOseum for the Hamina Nomad.
Usb-c charger from Oseum forthe Hamina Nomad.
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I love this charger.
This is probably one of thecoolest things.
This is in my review for Hamina.
This is so dope.
A 65-watt charger.
Look at the bottom.
It's got the little.
It's got.
What is it?
I don't even know what it sayson there beside it QCS3 and PO3.
So it's got the ability topower a whole bunch of stuff
usbc or usb a coming off it,which is awesome.
So kudos, kudos on the chargingthere, ocm, and good job
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packaging that one.
Uh, then this is I man.
I forget the names.
This is the m.
I think it's the m or the r, Idon't know, don't kill me.
Uh, w lamp I team I.
There's no label on it, so Idon't remember what it is, but
it served exactly the purposethat I wanted it to serve.
So what I did with this is it'sgot the 802.11n antenna on the
side or the Wi-Fi adapter on theside of it, and I used it as
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well as the good old, reliableWLampi Pro.
I used both of those to runKismet, and so I ran Kismet
capturing stations and devices.
I wasn't really looking forpackets or anything.
I was just looking for clientcounts, how many devices were
out there.
I used both of those and I havea video.
I'll show you all the video alittle bit later.
I'm going to upload it.
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Where I needed to clientdevices in specific areas and so
I took it.
And you know, shout out to mybuddies at active expert and
wifi trainingcom.
I took, I took the WLAN pie andI threw it in here with a
battery and a cable, and then Iwent to a local business and I
said hey, do you mind if I juststick this behind your door real
quick?
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I need to collect some data.
And they didn't have anyproblem with it.
And I used a.
I actually used the case fromfrom the Nomad.
I put the WLAN Pi Pro insidethe Nomad case and I did the
same thing.
I just stashed it so I could.
So I could collect data withouthaving to be there.
And on that note, one of thethings I did that that I thought
was interesting, and I'll justshare this real quick is
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Kismet's a great tool, right,and all I'm looking for is I'm
just looking for informationabout how many devices I could
see when I could see them, overwhat time I could see them, how
long they stayed, if theyreturned, and unique device
counts.
This is part of my surveyexperiment.
Right Is understanding theenvironment not just from a
physical side and from a peopleside, but from a device side.
So if I'm going to build aWi-Fi network for you, I need to
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be able to load it properly,and the only way to do that is
to look at what that load isactually going to be.
And in a place where the natureof the visitors is very
transient, you want to make surethat you capture data of
maximum tonnage, if you will, ofhow many people or how many
devices are going to be there,not necessarily what they're
doing with it.
At this point, at this point, Ijust wanted to see how many of
them.
So I used Kismet for that.
It ended up being a great tool.
I actually used the NetAllyCyberscope, which is in the box
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also.
I'll talk about that in alittle bit.
But with Kismet I got it and Igot home I was like okay, great,
Let me just parse this datadude.
No, how like?
First of all, the.
The wlan pi pro doesn't havethe installed part of kismet
that allows you to export thekismet file to anything other
than regular kismet, unlessthere's one for wiggle that's in
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there.
But I couldn't get out to csvand I was like damn.
And so then I was like, allright, I break out the python.
And so I started to write somecode in python on the wlan pi
natively to see how I could, howI could parse that file, and I
was like this is dumb.
And so then I loaded up, uh,whatever the wls or wls or
whatever it's called, on thewindows, on the windows.
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Uh, deal, is it wls?
Where you can, where you'rerunning, you're basically
running ubuntu on top of yourwindows installation, wsl, um,
and so I tried to run on there.
It didn't work very well.
And I said, man, and I tried torun on my, where you're
basically running Ubuntu on topof your Windows installation,
wsl, and so I tried to run onthere and it didn't work very
well.
And I said, man, and I tried torun it on my Mac and it didn't
run well.
I was like, ah, so I wasgetting super frustrated.
And then I thought to myself,well, how am I going to parse a
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Kismet file?
So this is information for youthat you may or may not need but
be happy to share.
So instead of trying to figureit out and sound dumb and ask my
friends which I probably shouldhave done I got on the Discord
for Kismet which is great, bythe way, they have an incredible
community and I said, hey, howdo I open this?
How can I convert this?
Is there a freely availabletool?
And they're like, dude, it'sSQLite.
I said, well, what it's SQLite?
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And man did that bring backsome memories of looking through
the original files of theiPhone.
There is a free-for-use browsercalled DB Browser for SQLite
that you can download.
And if you download DB Browserfor SQLite, let me Hold on.
Give me a second.
Let me wrestle with sharing myscreen, hey y'all.
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So I experienced a little bitof a technical issue right here
where I switched to screensharing and it cut my audio off.
Now I talk about it here injust a second what I was doing,
but essentially I was looking atdownloading the Kismet log
files and then figuring out away to open them up, and I did
that using the SQLite program,db Browser.
So DB Browser opens up SQLitefiles.
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It's free, it's availableonline DB Browser.
So DB Browser opens up SQLitefiles.
It's free, it's availableonline and that's what I did.
So sorry, I apologize.
There's about five minuteswhere you can't hear me, so I
thought I would just pop in here.
Now back to your regularlyscheduled programming.
Trying to figure out whoopsie,trying to figure out what I was
doing, I just opened it up in indb browser.
So, um, the soundbite here isif you want to open up a kismet
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file, there's a very easy way todo it without having to export
it.
You just download db browser.
It's a free for use browser forsqlite, because kismet dot,
kismet files are sqlite and youcan open it up.
You have access to all the andfrom there you can export it
however you wish.
So very cool trick that Ilearned this week.
Now, once I did that, once I didthat, I said, okay, well, how
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am I going to graph it?
So I was like man, I got aTableau.
I love Tableau, you know likelet's use a 500 pound hammer for
a roofing nail.
So I opened up Tableau and,dude, I can remember how to use
Tableau.
So I get on chat, gpt, and I'mlike how do I do this and how do
I do that.
And, man, all of a sudden itoccurred to me that I'm a moron
and that I can just take theexport CSV from DB browser of
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the Kismet file and I can justdump it directly into chat GPT
and then have chat GPT do all ofthe things that I want to do.
And so I was like, well, okay,so I dumped it in there and I
said I typed in I think, show mea graph of every 10 minutes
aggregate devices over thecourse of when you first saw the
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first device and you last sawthe last device, broken down
into 10 minute increments, andgraph what that looks like.
Dude, two seconds later,there's my graph.
So the lesson that I learned iswork smarter, not harder.
Sqlite for Kismet and then dumpthat CSV file directly into
ChatGPT and let ChatGPT do allthe data parsing for you.
So I did that and it was great.
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What a cool use of the WLAN Pi,one of my favorite tools that's
out there, an easy way tocollect stuff.
And I'll tell you that what Ireally liked is the ability to
natively not on this little guy,unless I didn't follow the menu
structure correctly but on thepro um, going in there and
natively launching it just onthe touchscreen.
I didn't have to connect acomputer or do anything.
I just got on the WLAN Pi Proand went to applications.
I went to Kismet start Kismet.
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I ran it.
I came back, I picked it up, Ihit stop, I hit shutdown, I
brought it home, I moved thefiles over and that's it.
So WLAN Pi Pro, once againproving to be one of the most
important tools in this entiretool bag.
This is why it was built.
Y'all.
I mean, that's fantastic.
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Okay, so we keep moving on.
Let's see what is inside herethe Hack 5 case.
I love this little case.
I didn't bring a pineapple, butI could have brought a
pineapple.
What I'll do is I'll unzip thisand show it.
Of course, my hack RF is insidethere and I had this idea that
I was going to use the, that Iwas going to use a hack RF to
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start to do cell snooping and tolook at how many devices I
could get on there, and I didn'treally want to blur the line
with how illegal that couldpossibly be if someone were to
connect to my device.
So I left that alone.
Instead, I used it as an SDRand I listened to some radio
chatter that was out there.
You know, a win in Rome, right?
So the HackRF proved to not beas useful as I thought it was
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going to be at all, because itwould blur the lines with
legality.
So I left the HackRF alone,except running the SDR
components on there, and that'sall that's in there.
There's a cord, I think, andsome rubber ducky antennas.
All right, let's see what elsewe got in here.
Let's talk about this guy, theCyberscope.
Now, in retrospect, I shouldhave brought the AirCheck G3
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with me, except I don't have anAirCheck G3.
I have a G2, but I should havebrought the G2.
But then I thought you know,this basically does a lot of the
same stuff that the other onedoes.
So I took this guy out thereand I ran it again and I was
using this is the 500-poundhammer for a roofing nail and I
was like, what can I do with it?
I just want to know what I'mseeing out there.
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And I ran it just in scannermode and I just watched
everything that came across,thinking okay, let's see what
kind of information it gives me.
And I looked at it and all of asudden it stopped at 2,500.
And I was like, oh man.
So I talked to Julio and Dan andyou know, and it's there's,
there's very good reasons forall of that.
I was using it for somethingthat wasn't necessarily being
able to be or not.
I was using it for somethingthat it wasn't built to be used
for.
But it does have a $2,500device limit on here and that's
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APs and clients.
So again Kismet.
Then you know, kismet's justgoing to run until it runs you
out of space on your memory card.
So Kismet proved a little bitstronger there than tool,
because I was doing somethingsuper, you know, remedial with
it.
But but, dude, link live, ifyou haven't logged into link
live lately on net ally, holymoly, I hit the button Cause you
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know, with with any of the,with the net ally devices, the
coolest thing is you can press abutton and you can have an
automatically uploaded link live.
So I did that.
I log into link live and, dude,the dashboards are so sick,
they're so well done that itgave me such an incredible
breakdown that that itencouraged, that's what
encouraged me to go back and askyou chat gpt to start running
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all the things in.
You know the breakdown of whatwas happening in kismet because
it's just so clean and sobeautiful, and Link Live is such
a cool tool.
So kudos to the NetAlly teamfor having that tool.
You know that they make allthat available.
It's just really neat.
But again, I was using aCyberscope to do client device
counts, so probably notrecommended from the
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manufacturer.
Then we get down into the funstuff.
So let's get rid of some ofthese power cables.
Again, I take a power cable orUSB cable for everything you
know, I take its own individualone, but right underneath there
is this guy.
So this is the Epic Prism.
So this in combination withthis, there we go.
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There's the tablet and with theEpic Prism on there, this is
the Epic solution.
From well, it's Epic solution,but it's what IB Wave uses also,
and I use this to scan LTE and5G, and I use this to go out and
understand how many carriers,how many channels, how many
providers were out there on the4G and 5G space, which was crazy
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, because the place I was atdidn't have any 5G at all, which
was weird.
So I didn't really get to seethat.
It scanned all the channels butdidn't find anything.
And then I thought, well, maybeit doesn't work, so I had to go
on OpenSignal.
If you're not familiar withOpenSignal, if you go to
OpenSignalcom or if you downloadthe app, you can look on there
and it shows you a lot was fast,it was efficient, it was great
at scanning channels, it workedreally well.
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It gave me a lot of really gooddata that I could pull out and
I could look at specificallywith what it was happening in
the 4G and 5G space, and so thisis such a cool tool.
It's very, very simple, it'svery easy to use and you can use
this in conjunction with IBWave.
So I've got a product reviewusing IB Wave with this coming
up later, but I do want to talkabout it.
You know from that aspect thatit was very simple, very easy to
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use.
It runs browser-based and itjust initiates a scan.
It runs through five cycles ofthe scan scan like 11,000
channels or something like that.
It does a really really goodjob.
So that's what I use to do mymy 4g, 5g scanning um on the
right hand side, then insidehere.
Y'all have seen this.
This, this is such a cool tool.
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Um, this is what uh, whathumming is using to do on-site
surveys and to do datacollection and the nomad, if you
haven't seen it, this is whatit looks like.
Um, it's got the usb port onthe sides and it's got one over
on this side, right there, andit's very lightweight compared
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to the echo house sidekick andone of the things that blew my
mind when I saw it you see thatlittle button right there.
It's compatible with peak design.
So a lot of us and I think, uh,I think keith parsons was to
blame or hollingsworth I'mpretty sure it was keith,
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because keith always goes andgets.
I don't know where keith, Idon't know where you find this
stuff.
He goes out and gets the stuff.
He comes back with all thisgear from peak design.
He's like man, this is my newbackpack.
I'm going to try it out.
Well then, every one of us whodoes photography which there's a
lot of nerds that dophotography, by the way every
one of us that does photographystarted looking at the Peak
stuff going wait a minute, I canuse that for my IT stuff.
So when they included the Peakcompatibility on here so that
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you can use you can hang it fromyour backpack or you can hang
it from your belt loop orwhatever it is using Peak, this
is such a big deal.
It's simple and it's easy andit's awesome because this is
what some of my camera strapslook like, this is what my
backpack looks like, this iswhat there's a lot of stuff out
there.
So the compatibility with Peakwas really really neat to see
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Kudos to the.
I don't know who put those onthere, I don't know if it was
OCM or if it was Humina, but putthose on there.
I don't know if it was OCM orif it was Humina, but whoever
did that awesome.
So this is the spectrum analyzer.
It ties in with Humina so thatyou can use it to do your site
surveys, to collect the data.
So we did data collection withthis.
Well, we tried to do datacollection with this until I
realized I wasn't licensed to beusing this.
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So I'm going to have to doanother review where I'm
actually licensed to use this.
But it's okay.
I have a very cool one comingup, but I did have a license for
this guy, the CEDOS and I wentout and used the CEDOS Wave and
I collected some data here.
And if you haven't used thisproduct, it is such a simple,
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ridiculously simple interfacehere and they keep making all of
these software updates on theirwebsite.
So if you haven't checked themout, check out the CETOS Wave Go
, look at what they're doing.
They post a lot of really goodcontent on LinkedIn and you can
see what they're scanning outthere.
So I use this to do my Wi-Fiscans, to understand what was
happening in the Wi-Fienvironment when people were
there and when people weren'tthere.
I have individual reviews foreach one of these so I won't
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drill into them too much, butthat's the bulk of what's in the
case.
Now, up at the top is all theaccoutrements, the fixins, as we
say in the South.
I've got USB chargers, I've gotantennas.
I've got oh, look at this here.
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There you go Y-Spy DBX.
I've got the Y-Spy in there.
I've got the Y spy in there.
I've got the net ally versionof it.
I've got, uh it's.
It's honestly just a wholebunch of cables and connectors
and things like that.
But this case, when you puteverything in there together, I
mean I've got 4g and 5g covered,covered, right there.
I've got my radio that I canuse, sitting right there on the
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side.
I've got the Epic sittingbeside the tablet that it comes
in.
Then I can take my Oseum device.
I can load the uh, the, theNomad in there.
Close this thing up, all right,stick that over there.
Then I've got my HackRF,because, dude, you should always
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carry a HackRF with you.
You should always carry asoftware-defined radio.
A little power cord action,cyberscope, cyberscope, wlampi
Pro, baby WLampi, flipper, whatelse?
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This awesome, awesome poweradapter Over there.
I've got my power cords, I'vegot my sidekick.
Throw that thing in there, sealit up, call it a day.
That is the quick tour, 30minutes later, of what my case
looks like.
Now I'm going to use this as asecond to go over and see if
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anybody's making.
You had no audio while lookingat the db light.
Oh man, I wonder what happenedto my audio.
Whoa interesting, I don't know.
Is there audio now?
Let me turn it up.
Can I hear?
Can I hear myself?
That would be a total bummer ifI didn't have any audio this
whole time.
No, no, I have audio.
Okay, cool.
Well, that's the top chat ofthe day, anyway.
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So that's what I got going onwith with those things.
I'll be sharing some of theresults of what I did there.
I came back in and I modeled.
I'm doing some modeling of theRF environment using two
different tool sets right now.
One is I'm using Hamina to dothe Wi-Fi and the CBRS stuff, so
just always looking at CBRS.
And then I'm using Cambium'sLink Planner to model out some
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of the 60 gig stuff.
I haven't started that projectyet, but I've got it open and I
need to start adding sites to it.
So I'm looking at a combinationof 60 gigahertz for back, all
the TerraGraph stuff.
I'm looking at Wi-Fi, I'mlooking at CBRS, I'm looking at
private cellular.
There's a lot of things thatcan go into this and use case
may vary depending on whatyou're trying to do with it.
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The tools that you use and howyou use them are totally up to
you.
What I would recommend is letme stop and think just off the
cuff, any lessons learned fromthe last from this survey that I
did, because it's been a whilesince I've been out in the field
with all the tools and youalways forget stuff.
You know, I would say thebiggest problem that I had was
parsing the Kismet log filesuntil I got smart and remembered
(27:35):
that I could do that with Chat,gpt, uh.
So there's that um, oh, lettowers.
That says I'm taking all thosetools to Prague.
Oh, sweet man.
So if you're at WLPC in Prague.
You can see all of this stuff.
They all independently workgreat and when you combine all
the data it's phenomenal.
I didn't have any major issues.
I'll tell you that, god, I, youknow, I, I love the vendors
(27:58):
that play in the space and Iwill say that the two big
standouts I would say the threebig standouts from what I was
doing NetAlly, I mean just God,it just works so well all the
time.
It's just so good.
And Link Live is so good.
And then the Epic Prism was myfirst time using it out in the
field like this, collecting dataand finding out how simple it
(28:18):
was to use and run, wastremendous.
My camera I use my iPhone for alot of stuff but dude, that
WLAN Pi coming in clutch clutchfor what I was doing with it.
I was doing device counts, Iwasn't doing propagation, I
wasn't doing RF surveys, I wasjust doing device counts.
But the WLAN Pi running Kismetwas absolutely clutch in that.
(28:40):
Now, if I'm doing Wi-Fi and I'msurveying an area, we surveyed
parts of the area and insurveying, all the tools work
pretty similarly.
I will say that independently.
There are some pros and cons toeach one of them.
Sidekick 2 is a little bitheavier.
Sidekick 2 also requires a lotof software load in order to do
the propagation stuff.
But it runs awesome on the appand when you do the JustGo
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survey it works tremendouslywell.
The CETO stuff worked really,really well.
I will say my only problem withthe CETO is carrying it is
actually having to hold itwithout, because I feel bad if I
stick it in my pocket or if Ihang it on my side, just because
if you haven't been to a WLPCthen you haven't heard about the
attenuation that your bodycauses when you hang these
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things on the side of your bodyand I.
There's gotta be a better wayfor us to do surveys.
And I keep going back to thestupid thing that Jim Florwick
and I talked about.
That seems so meaningful and Iknow some of the other people in
the industry have talked aboutit.
But I think Jim and I startedtalking about it like jokingly
and then we started to design itand then that's where it got
scary.
We just need to build a hatwith antenna elements in it and
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it sounds so dumb.
But we need a better way to dosite surveys because the CETOS
thing is so quick and so fast,but it gets really.
It's not heavy until you're,you know, 2,000 steps in and
then it gets heavy and you'relike, ah, what do I do with this
thing?
2,000 steps in, and then itgets heavy and you're like, ah,
what do I do with this thing?
You know where do I put it inorder to get it.
(30:01):
So I would say that's the onlything there.
The Hamina tool, especiallyworking with Oseum Oseum has
always produced incredibleproducts and, knowing that those
two are coupled together, to methere's such a better story
there.
It's not about the Nomad andhow well it works, and it's not
about Hamina and how well thatworks.
It.
It's not about Hamina and howwell that works.
It's about these are twovendors that are getting
together to do something.
(30:22):
And God, I just hope for theday that I can grab the data
from my NetAlly scope or my G3or the AirCheck or whatever and
dump it into Hamina and takeHamina and export it to Link
Live or some of that back andforth.
I love that there's alreadysome convergence of that
happening with OCM and Hamina,so I can't wait to see where
that goes in the future.
And then you know, I will say,the downside is only having one
(30:42):
tool to do 4G, 5g.
I only had one.
You know, there was only onething that I could get out there
I want an Aronia spectrumanalyzer.
I think every nerd that hasseen one wants one.
But the problem is, dude,there's six grand, like that's.
So there's that, you know.
But I guess it's a tool of thetrade and if this is what you're
doing day to day, then you canafford to do that.
I do like the.
(31:04):
The recommendation of a wifisombrero.
I will take it all day andnight.
On that note, if you, if youhave anything from a, if you're
any fan of South Texas oranything of Hispanic culture
like where I live, you'll behappy to know that.
I went on a hunt this morningand I don't know if you can see
this or not.
I'm just going to hold it up.
There is a Nestle AbuelitaCoffee Mate creamer for your
(31:29):
coffee.
So La Abuelita has a coffeecreamer.
I bought two.
Utah, give me two.
I bought two of them thismorning at our local HEB.
So if you need one, let me knowand I'll ship you one, but I
will eat that chocolate anyway.
So Wi-Fi sombrero, let's go.
W Lampi with cellular.
Yeah, totally agree, I justneed a good.
I need a good dongle, I need agood.
(31:51):
I'm now seeing that my videodidn't come out of me holding
the coffee mate creamer up tothe camera, but whatever, yeah,
wlm, pyrocellular, I mean, wherethere's a will, there's a way,
right, we just need the correctthing to do that.
But other than that, no man, itwas really fun to be out in the
field.
It was really fun to be outcollecting data and talking to
(32:12):
people, and I don't know howmany of y'all do this.
I stop and talk to a lot ofpeople.
I talk to shop owners.
I talk to people walking downthe street.
I talk to people walking theirdog.
I went to a bar and drink a shotand talk to a guy who deploys
fortinet.
Shout out to the, to thehomeboy in nebraska deploying
fortinet, wearing the fortinetbeanie in alaska, high-fiving
(32:33):
that dude uh, devin aiken, bythe wayvin's name.
I'm sitting at a bar in Alaska.
Not only was it weird to have adude sitting beside me wearing
a Fortinet beanie, but then hegoes.
Yeah, we do some wifi stuff.
We've got this guy.
He's going to come out and dosome wifi training for us.
You know, in a couple of weeksand he says I think his name is,
(32:54):
uh, his name is Devin Aiken.
And I about spit my whiskeyacross the bar, devin, and I
said, make sure you like to hug,anyway, the brother from
another wireless mother.
Mr Devin Aiken, you would behappy to know that your name
came up sitting in a bar inAlaska.
It's just so.
I mean, this is the wirelessindustry, y'all you can't go too
far.
Speaking of the wirelessindustry, let me dig into a uh,
(33:17):
uh something real quick.
I don't want to.
I don't want to.
You know there's not.
I don't want to say thatthere's not a lot of news.
I'm sure a lot of stuffhappened, but I've literally had
my head in the clouds for thelast 10 days.
Uh, juniper mist introducedtheir wifi seven access point.
Totally cool to see, veryexcited, um, I believe.
Um, let me see, I don'tremember the specs on it.
I'm not even going to try andlook it up.
You guys can look it up.
(33:38):
Go check out the new JuniperMist Wi-Fi 7 access point.
So happy for them, especiallymoving into Wi-Fi 7.
A lot of people were skepticalabout what's happening with
Juniper, with the whole HPacquisition, but glad to see
that everything is pushingforward the way that it's
supposed to.
Wwc Worldwide Congress inGeneva the the Wi-Fi Now
Worldwide Congress in Genevajust happened.
Great to see some postingscoming out of there.
(33:59):
I didn't get to catch up on allthe news.
It was neat to see peopletalking about Wi-Fi offload,
passpoint offload, private 5Gthings that are bigger than just
the Wi-Fi world, what'shappening in wireless and,
speaking of that, the ThingsConference was this past week
and a lot of news to digest fromthere.
Um, the things, the thingsnetwork introduced their own pro
(34:23):
gateway to connect to lauradevices, so a lot of news that
was happening there.
I didn't see a lot of pop-upsabout halo.
I was interested in seeing ifwi-fi halo was going to make a
big impression at the thingsconferences here, but again, I
haven't had a chance to dig intoit.
So if you know anything, pleasedrop me a line.
I was.
I was keen to see that becauseit's always traditionally been
laura, lore, wham ble, some ofthe iot stuff, but wi-fi halo
(34:44):
man, I mean there's some.
There's some good stuffhappening there.
You know, edge core has their,their new device that supports
halo meshing and when they hitproduction I've already been
told they're going to send mesome so I get to play with wi-Fi
Halo, totally stoked about that.
Next week, meter is doing theirMeter Up conference, so you're
going to find a lot of thepeople that you probably follow
and a few of you that probablylisten to this podcast.
I will see you all next week inSan Francisco.
(35:05):
That's going to be really funand we're going to go over all
things Meter.
So I don't know if they'regoing to be making any big
announcements while we're outthere.
I know that they're doing someincredible stuff and their
command product is absolutelygame-changing.
So I'm so excited to see peoplethat I know and that I respect
sitting beside me seeing thishands-on for the first time.
(35:26):
I think I'm just going to belooking around watching people
make faces in awe, realizingwhat this means for the industry
5G slicing versus privatecellular networks so this is
getting a lot of coverage.
I saw in a couple different newssources that the conversation
started to come up about 5Gslicing, which is something
that's now being introduced inthe United States.
(35:46):
Apparently, it's big in Indiaand China already.
And what's better?
Is it better to have your ownprivate cellular network or is
it better to slice pieces off ofa public cellular network
Verizon, t-mobile, et cetera,and along those lines.
T-mobile is now offeringsomething to compete with
FirstNet where they are offeringup a public safety slice,
starting in New York City, wherethey can serve public safety
(36:07):
just on a 5G network slice ofthat network.
So interested to see how that'sgoing to start changing the
industry.
It's not even a mobile virtualnetwork operator.
This is like this is your ownprivate slice of the carrier
network.
I mean that's awesome, and isit better than having private
cellular network?
I don't think.
I think it depends on use case.
(36:27):
I don't think it's going towork for everyone, but I don't
think the other one's gonna workfor everyone.
Um, and erickson straight upsaying that they have a daz
killer.
The daz killer, the ericksondaz killer, the Daz killer, the
Ericsson Daz killer and theirDaz killer, you might imagine,
is some crazy piece of equipmentthat's going to take down
distributed antenna systems.
(36:48):
Dude, they're talking aboutCBRS.
They're talking about neutralhost CBRS.
Daz killer yeah, it sounds waybetter when they say it.
Ericsson's Manish Tiwari, who'dbeen head of private cellular
at Swedish Fender Cradle PointsUnit.
This is one advantage of beingin Ericsson.
We've got great relationshipswith the service providers.
So what they're saying isthey're saying we can do CBRS
(37:10):
and we can do neutral host CBRS,and the reason why is because
they have great relationshipsand that's what makes them the
Daz killer.
Have great relationships andthat's what makes them the DAS
killer.
Distributed antenna systems havebeen used for years to ensure
cell phone signaling aroundcampuses, earning reputations
being expensive to install for4G and 5G, but now, using CBRS,
ericsson says they have a DASkiller.
Hello and welcome to a longtime ago.
(37:30):
I think anyone who's been doingCBRS can tell you yeah, uh,
that's good that you're playingcatch up all of a sudden.
And as far as neutral host man,the team over at Solona I mean
it's great that Erickson'ssaying it Solona's been doing
this for a minute.
Solona's got a lot of stuffdoing.
Solona just launched in China,so take a look at what is
happening in that space.
(37:50):
Neutral host private cellularnetworks are really, really cool
, especially when you enable BAM48 on LTE using some of this
stuff.
So, dan Jones, thanks for thearticle, and fierce as usual,
and I think that's about that'sall I'm going to talk about for
the what's new, what's now,what's next?
I do.
I do want to bring up somethingthat I thought was that I've
(38:11):
seen more of right, and it's nota bad thing.
And I had this chat with PeterMcKenzie, who's you know who's
spearheading the WICO project.
We've got WLPC, which hasalways been the group that we
always go to, and the WirelessLAN Professional Conference is
where we all get together, weall hang out, we all see each
other.
But there have been otherthings that have spawned off of
that, and that's not a bad thing, I think it's a very good thing
(38:32):
.
So WICO was one of them.
Timo had another one that justwent down in Germany, and then
you've got Wi-Fi.
Now World Congress that'shappening, and I want to make
sure that the content at theseis different, and I don't have
any say in any of them, exceptfor WLPC, where we're given the
ability to choose what we wantto hear.
(38:52):
So to me, that one still standshead and shoulders above
everything, because the industrysubmits what they want to talk
about, and by the industry Imean you.
I don't mean, yeah, sir ciscogets in there, and and yeah, you
know whoever gets in there.
And we always you know, evenwhen I worked at a vendor we
never try, we don't go in ascisco, we go in as, you know,
drew, or we don't go in ascradle point, we go in as ian.
(39:14):
You know what I mean.
So so you, you get that choiceand I think that that's great
and that's always been thestaple of WLPC.
But if that's the place that weget the choice, then all the
other ones I get it that they'resmaller and they're more
directed at specific areas, andthe people that can't make it
out to the big conferencetotally understand that.
I just don't want to seeregurgitation of information
(39:34):
starting to happen, Because whenthat happens I feel like we get
inside of a bubble, we getinside of an echo chamber, and
if we get inside of an echochamber and we start thinking,
you know, if we start believingour own bullshit, then that is
where our industry is going tostart to get hurt.
If you just hear the samepeople talking about the same
thing over and, over and overagain and we just all start
(39:55):
barbing our heads saying yes,then that becomes a little bit
of an issue, and that's myconcern.
With all of these thingsbranching out, I would love to
see different things,specifically to industry or to
market, and I know that this isstill early and I'm not trying
to be critical of it.
I think that it's great.
I really think it's great.
Nothing ever comes down toSouth Texas, so if something was
here, I would think it would betremendous.
I just don't want us to getstuck in a loop where we're
(40:20):
saying the same thing over andover and over again and no one
is offering any counterpoint toit.
So that was my thing.
I just see so many of them andI'm so excited to see so many
people doing conferences and allthese places that people can go
.
I don't think it's going todilute the space at all.
I just want to make sure thatwe don't introduce our own
(40:41):
feedback issues.
So that's my two cents.
Anyway, it's been 45 minutes andthis has gone longer than it
normally goes.
I appreciate you listening andhanging out.
Let me check the YouTubechannel one more time to see
who's complaining about stuff.
See you at meet up at meter up.
Yes, yes, I'm excited.
I'm guys, I'm very excited.
Or, as they say, as the kidssay yo chat, I'm very excited.
They're going to show off someSigma equipment.
It's going to not be skibbityat all.
(41:04):
Anyway, it's going to be reallycool.
Man, I'm totally stoked andit's gonna be great to see some
familiar faces out there, so,looking forward to that.
I don't know if I'm going to doa podcast from there.
I moved this podcast to aFriday from Tuesday because
Tuesday was acting kind of weirdand I, you know, I want to make
sure that I could at least getsome content out.
But if you have any questions,if you want to join us, let me
(41:24):
know.
Also, a big shout out to ourbuddy, alexis just land just
announced that she is going.
She got a job.
She joined the team over at aplace that I have never heard of
.
So I would like it someday ifshe she was actually going to
try and join us this week, butshe didn't.
Because I do want to talk toher about getting a job in this
(41:46):
space right now with the currentcondition of what it is.
Because she was.
She was released from Cisco andI was laid off from Cisco and
what I have seen in the lastyear has been uh, in the last
six months even has been crazy.
You get a job, she's atmegaport I was gonna say
matterport and totally screwedup, but she's at megaport.
(42:08):
I have no idea what megaportdoes so I'm excited to learn
from our friend alexis what theydo.
Um, anyway, it's.
It's tough, and if you've beenlaid off, I'm sorry that sucks,
but use your personalconnections is going to be my
only piece of advice, because Ihave found all these cool things
(42:29):
.
I'm like, oh man, that'd begreat.
I sent an application to theFIFA communications team two
days ago.
I was like hell, yeah, I'llhelp FIFA.
I'm looking at this as anopportunistic way, but, dude, I
will tell you that the responsesare few and far between.
It's like people are justhoarding information and I say
that having heard that from alot of people, and then when I
(42:50):
started to put some out thereexperiencing that, it's like,
dude, if you say you've got ajob opening, the least you could
do is respond every once in awhile, so anyway.
So I want to talk to Alexisabout that and why she ended up
over at Megaport.
The last thing that I will sayis I know that there's a lot of
people who live in the GulfCoast.
We just spent time in Sarasotafor Wi-Fi Now World Congress
(43:10):
earlier this year, and Tampa andSarasota got absolutely nailed
with the hurricane.
If you have any friends thatlive in the area between you
know, from South Florida all theway up through Atlanta and now
into South Carolina.
Reach out to them, make surethey're okay.
If there's anything you knowthat can be done, let them know.
Itdrc has already sent outactivation alerts.
(43:31):
If you're not part of ITDRC,please sign up for ITDRC.
If you have the means and theability to do it, you can go
volunteer and help out.
I know Cisco's probably rollingtheir trucks out there as well,
but there's a lot that can bedone to help people because they
absolutely got devastated withthe storm in Tampa, sarasota and
then up into Tallahassee.
So please reach out to yourfriends and let them know that
(43:53):
you're thinking about them andlet them know if there's
anything that you can do to helpthem.
I say that as a kid from theGulf Coast.
Even a simple text message goesa really long way.
So that's it for the week.
Next week, like I said, we'llbe at Meter Up, we'll be in San
Fran, so maybe I'll do thepodcast from there.
Get a couple, two, threespecial guests, have some fun.
Hopefully not get my car brokeninto and my podcast equipment
stolen.
Again, that sucked, but I hopeyou all have a tremendous.
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