Ever wondered how AI is revolutionizing network management right under our noses? Buckle up as we take you on a journey from the buzzing energy of Mobility Field Day 11 to the heart of wireless industry transformations. The wireless community is aflutter with innovation, and we're at the forefront, dissecting the integration of AI into our work lives with a surprising twist—it's enhancing, not overwhelming. We're also talking an incredible talk by Arista Co-Founder Ken Duda, because what's technology without a human touch? And speaking of personal connections, you'll even hear a special shout-out that reminds us why we're all here—family matters, even in the world of tech.
Now, let's talk specifics—Marvis AI's growth in addressing complex network queries is nothing short of impressive, and trust me when I say Juniper's real-time RF information has us all talking. But it doesn't stop there; Fortinet's network-as-a-service model and Celona’s leaps in 4G and 5G deployment are reshaping the way industries connect. The cherry on top? Insights from our conversations with the Hamina team and a peek at Ubiquiti's bold moves into the enterprise market. From the nuances of antenna management with Cisco to the 5G deployment updates from the giants of wireless infrastructure, this episode is your all-access pass to the latest in wireless tech trends.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
there we go, everybody.
I hope you're having a momentof zen.
Good afternoon.
It is the week of may 20th 2024and this is the waves podcast.
What's new?
What's now?
What's next?
What's happening in thewireless industry?
We've got some great stuffgoing on.
It was a heck of a week.
Last week we didn't do thepodcast.
A lot of us were tuning intoMobility Field Day, so Mobility
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Field Day 11 happened this pastweek.
What a tremendous time.
We were live and direct in abeautiful Bay Area of California
.
We had such a good time Greatvendors, great presentations,
great delegates, lots and lotsof blogs that are being
published right now on on whatwe did and the good times that
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we had out there.
So that was awesome to see.
I'm logging in real quick.
Just got to make sure that Ican see what I'm supposed to be
seeing on uh, on the profileshere looking pretty good.
Huh, hope everybody's doingwell, okay.
So I'm going to try somethingnew.
I'm going to try and go to mycreator studio with uh, with
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youtube, and I'm gonna try andsee if I've got a live chat,
because I had such a good time.
I was inspired by cody.
There we go, whoopsie.
I was inspired by cody over atmactelcom where he had his
little chat going and peoplewere asking all these q and a's
and doing all this great stuff.
It was pretty neat.
So I'm going to pay attentionto that chat and see what pops
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up.
Um, I don't know how to do allthis fun stuff yet, but we'll
have a good time anyway.
So it looks like we're good.
We're streaming on youtube.
Man, it is 102 degrees, let'ssee.
It's 102 degrees outside rightnow and they say it's going to
feel like 114 in Texas, andthat's because it's only May.
So I see the advertisements forCisco Live and I see the
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advertisements for all theseother things coming up.
It looks like it's going to bea great opportunity to get out
of this area and go relax alittle bit in maybe somewhat
cooler temperatures.
So if you're listening to this,do me a favor.
If you want to, you don't haveto.
I've got a few on YouTube and afew on x.
Uh, head on over to youtube andsay hi, oh, look at that, my
daughter's in there.
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She says love you, dad.
See, can't get more wholesomethan that.
That's fantastic.
Uh, oh, I was about to sayaren't you supposed to be in
school but it's four o'clock soshe's out of school.
Hi, baby girl.
Anyway, I had a great time.
Missed my kids, missed myfamily, but got to hang out with
my other family, my wirelessfamily out in San Jose or Santa
Clara area.
And what a fantastic time wehad at Mobility Field Day.
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Man, just going around thetable, I got to sit next to Ali
and I had Mark there.
Frenet was there, you know,just overall, it was a great
group of people.
Got to meet Ron and hang outwith him.
Uh, now I've got ron gpt, whichis the way that I've trained my
gpt to be a uh in the voice ofan analyst.
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Hey, mark's on, cool.
Hi, mark, dude, it was so muchfun hanging out with you last
week and your blogs for for theevent have been stellar.
Um, let me see if I can findthem so I can throw a link in
the chat.
Um, let me see if I can findthis because you wrote, you did
a such a good write-up of whatwas going on out there at
mobility field day.
Yeah, ubiquity goes toenterprise, but what about their
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cult followers?
I really enjoyed.
I really enjoyed reading thatone because it's true, you were,
you were hanging out in the uh.
There's the link to the blog.
You were hanging out in thediscord and I was hanging out on
youtube with mac telcom, uh andcody and his crew and there
were like 460 people watchingthere and I don't know how many
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were paying attention on thediscord.
But the questions that we gotwere were really interesting and
it was.
It was fun to have that levelof interactions.
You were there for nay wasthere?
Parsons was there.
Jen huber was there.
Uh, frenet was there.
Parsons was there.
Jen Huber was there.
Sam Clements was there.
Who else am I missing?
Dev Dev was there.
Yeah, that's right.
Dev was sitting right besideyou guys.
It was just a great group ofpeople and we got to ask some
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really interesting questions andI'll just run down what we
learned there because it wasinteresting.
I didn't know what my hopes werefor this mobility field.
I know that we saw that therewas gonna be a good vendor lined
up lineup and there were a lotof questions that I knew we
needed to ask.
But I I always like to just sitback and take it all in at
first, I think with MFD thisyear, when I really stop and
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think about what we learned.
You know, I really thoughteveryone was going to talk about
AI, ai, ai, and I was ready toget AI jammed down our throats
and have everyone talk about allthe neat ways that they're
doing AI and what they can dowith AI.
But instead of that, we gotuseful AI.
We got AI that was running inthe background, that it was
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doing what it was supposed to bedoing.
That was enabling us to do jobseasier, was enabling engineers
to do their jobs easier andmaintain and monitor these
networks in a better, moresophisticated way by leveraging
that data.
And so when Cisco came on,juniper was the first one out of
the gate.
When Juniper came on and theystarted talking about what they
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were doing.
The emphasis wasn't on whatMarvis can do and why Marvis ai
is the best, and so on and soforth.
It was about how they're doingthings with their back end and
leveraging ai to find answers toproblems or to questions and
present that to us in a way thatwas usable.
And so it was.
It was neat to see, you know,having having west as a
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presenter.
West does such a great job, healways does such a great job,
and it's so much fun to just sitback and listen to real world
statistics, real world dataabout adoption of six gigahertz
or about adoption of AI, in thiscase, and how it's helped
people, how it's helped to solveproblems.
So the Juniper presentation waspretty neat.
If I go back and I think aboutit, let me load up my Twitter
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account real quick and see whatI can find in there.
If I go back and think aboutwhat we learned, and again, if
you've got questions and stuff,please join in on the chat on
youtube, because, uh, it's thisthing at obs I haven't figured
out the right way to answer allthe chats all at the same time.
So if you want to chat, jumpover youtube.
Youtubecom, slash at wirelessnerd.
You can find me on there.
We've got a couple listenersthat are listening in right now.
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So if you want to join us,please jump out.
Jump over there.
I'd love to hear what yourthoughts were about what we were
doing.
And again, if I go back and Ilook, let me, let me rewind a
couple of days.
I mean, just because I tweetedso much, or how do you?
I don't even know what theycall tweets on X anymore, but
the quick rundown of it Ooh, I'malmost there.
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Hold on as I scroll down.
Take a drink of this waterAgain, 109 degrees, make sure if
you're in Texas or anywhereit's like 109 degrees Make sure
you're hydrating.
All right, the first thing theysaid is that they can't talk
about the HPE acquisition.
I remember that and I reallyfelt like one of us was just
going to ask a question just tosay, what about the HPE
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acquisition?
But I don't even think thatthat was the.
I think they quickly dismissedthat.
When Jeff dismissed that,basically it was like, okay,
it's done, we're not going totalk about it, let's move on.
It gave us the opportunity tofocus on what they were doing,
us the opportunity to focus onwhat they were doing and right
out of the gate they talkedabout the efficacy of Marvis and
they showed that beautifullittle graph of how Marvis has
been able to answer questionsover time and I love seeing that
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graph grow.
It starts in May 2018.
It goes to January 2024.
And it keeps track of every dayand all of the efficacy of
Marvis since the first day itwas launched.
I remember seeing it creep upand creep up and creep up and we
got to understand how all ofthe easy questions have
basically been answered and nowit's time to answer the tough
questions.
But there's so few and farbetween and so random and
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strange that it wasn't easy toanswer those.
So the efficacy is not taking ahit, but it's not growing as
quickly as it was before becausethe questions have inevitably
gotten more difficult, and soyou know.
My question still to Juniper isthat's great, and you've enabled
AI to read manuals and to goback and look at support and
stuff.
But when are we going to dosomething so that there's more
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interaction with the networkusing plain language AI?
Great comment from Sudhir.
He says Marvis is never wrong.
You know I would argue thatMarvis is never wrong.
You know I would argue thatmarvis is never wrong until
marvis is wrong.
But I don't know that marvishas been wrong, so I don't want
to.
I don't want to make anyonejuniper mad.
You never know.
I mean, if it's bad data, right, bad data in, bad data out.
I got to learn all about missedminis, which I hadn't really
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learned too much about,considering the last year.
I was not doing anything withmany other competitors, but
Marvis minis were interesting tolearn about running
microservices on their switchesand on their access points and
across the network to act asusers and to leverage different
network resources and look atresponse time and things like
that and then feed that all backinto the system.
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I think it's really cool, Ithink, when we can start to look
at those as standalone devicesand capture that from
off-network I mean obviously atCape that's one of the things
that we love to do is look atthe off-network perspective and
how that builds back in.
So learning that Juniper isdoing that and then feeding that
into their continuous learningmodel was pretty interesting.
We got to learn about that 46gig per second and why it only
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happens on 16 spatial streamradios.
Unfortunately, no vendor gaveus a 16 spatial stream radio,
but what they did give us wasreal-time RF information that
was imported directly fromJuniper into Hamina, and that
was really cool to see.
Now it's worth noting that thisdoesn't only work with Juniper.
This also works with Cisco andArista right now.
But being able to query thedashboard and get live real-time
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information, configurationinformation into Hamina and be
able to model that instantlygives you such a cool snapshot
view of what's going on on yournetwork that it's something that
we hadn't really seen before,and so it's just a different way
to visualize that network.
I had a great conversation withthe Hamina team earlier today,
so I'll be releasing that as aninterview later on, but it was
really neat to talk to themabout what they're doing,
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especially when you involve thatautomated environmental
learning.
Where are the access points?
Where are they locatedphysically?
What are they doing?
What are they seeing?
What are they hearing?
There was some other stuff thatJuniper talked about, but then
we moved into Fortinet and hadthe conversation about security,
into insecurity and what'shappening from an into insecure
perspective.
But I feel like it really Ilost track of what we were
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saying when they started talkingabout fortico coins for the
tokens and fortinet as a serviceand how they can enable that by
having this model where youpurchase these tokens and these
tokens can be used to set up avirtual instance, and they can
be set up to or they can be usedto manage that virtual instance
and essentially all you have todo is just go deploy APs and
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switches and everything else ismanaged in the cloud using
FortiCoins.
That to me sounded a lot likeFortinet network as a service,
which is okay.
I'm not knocking it, I'm justsaying that seems to be the
trend right.
When you've got GreenLake doingall the things I'll never
forget, you Green Lake doing allthe things I'll never forget.
When they said Green Lake isgoing to give you everything as
a service.
They're still trying to getthere.
But seeing that and then seeingdifferent services like Nile
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and like Meter popping upoffering these as-a-service
things, it wasn't a far stretchof the imagination to see
Fortinet jump into that.
I just was not expecting itFrom all the vendors.
I wasn't expecting fortinet tostart offering that as a service
.
So that should be interesting.
We popped into salona and talkedabout 4g and 5g deployments.
They talked about theirdeployments and which industries
have been very successful forthem.
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It was great I they got into asecurity conversation with
someone from palo alto and I'mnot gonna lie, it was.
It didn't strike my fancy.
So I just I I tried to truckthrough it, but at three or four
o'clock in the afternoon when Ihaven't had any coffee, it
makes it.
You know, my memory gets alittle fuzzy.
But day two turned around witharista kicking off and I gotta
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tell y'all that was.
I would really recommend thatyou go back and you watch the
video from ken at arista, theirco -founder and cTO.
Because, aside from all thetechnical stuff and aside from
everything that we learned atMobility Field Day and
everything that we learned froma technology perspective,
listening to Ken talk about theethics and the culture at Arista
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really put that company in adifferent light for me.
I always knew that they madethese big badass switches, they
pass lots of data and there'sall this stuff you could do with
it.
I never took the time to learnabout the people that started
the company.
I just took it as it's acompany and they're doing stuff
and moving forward.
When they had the acquisitionof Mojo, I know that for the
most part, that acquisition wentgreat for the people that were
on both sides.
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It was good to see got a glimpseinto that with Ken's
conversation, where his quotesthe three quotes that stood out
to me is the culture of qualityis paramount at Arista, because
quality to me is an ethicalissue, he said.
He said it's wrong to shipstuff that doesn't work.
Didn't your mother teach youanything?
What a quote, man.
What a great thing to say.
And in the context of all of it, really I said this in my blog
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everyone just stopped.
We stopped clicking, we stoppedtapping, we stopped drinking
coffee.
He had our complete and fullattention.
So anyone who's going to be apresenter at Mobility Field Day
or Tech Field Day, or anywherein technology for that matter
take note of that conversationthat he had with us because it
was really really good, eventhough he doesn't know anything
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about wireless.
That's what he his words.
He said we didn't know anythingabout wireless, we're a bunch
of data center people.
Even though that was the case,his his story on what arista
does and how they do it wastremendous, which led into their
team just dropping bombs afterbombs of demos, man, spectrum
view of str, mlmr and emlsr andshowing preamble puncturing and
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showing all this stuff live.
They pre-recorded some of theirdemos just in case they broke
and what was so cool is theystarted to play one.
But then they just went aheadand did it live and it was just
really informative for a groupof people to be able to see what
that looks like on a spectrumanalyzer, mlo working in real
time, preamble puncturingworking in real time and
understanding the impact thatthis is going to have on our
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networks.
It was just such a great, justa great nerdy demo, but Arista
does just a spectacular job atthat.
So kudos hats off to them forreally bringing the content and
bringing the people.
Cisco followed talking aboutdown tilt angle in their access
points.
They talked about what adifference makes with low power
clients and standard powerclients, how those two, how it's
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super important to understandthe difference between LPI and
SP clients and how to identifythose and understanding which
APs and which radios they cantalk to.
They talked a lot about andtheir version, what they're
doing with AI in the back endand what they're doing.
The automated packet capturecomponent that Minsei showed off
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was just so cool and if you'venever seen Minsei Kim speak,
he's one of my favorite favoritepeople.
He's the reason I went to Ciscoin the first place a year and a
half ago.
Just so much fun to listen toand to be a part of, and his
energy and his excitement andhis passion for doing it just
came across in his wholepresentation.
If you get a chance, go watchthat that mobility field day
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presentation by mince where hetalked about taking these packet
captures, being proactive aboutit, taking them and running
them immediately through rootcause analysis and presenting
that information to you and easyto read and easy to digest
format was just one of thoseenhancements that Meraki does.
It's just one of those thingsthat makes their dashboard as
popular and significant as it is.
And then they moved in to talkabout AIRM and how radio
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resource management is now notjust leveraging the information
that they have from Meraki, buthow it's using both the data
lakes from Catalyst and fromMeraki 40 million APs, 20
million APs whatever it is outin the cloud that they can get
information from to help withinsights and run AIRM.
That was pretty awesome to see.
It was.
Overall.
It was just so good.
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Cisco just always does abang-up job.
Dave came in and talked aboutsome of the new controllers.
Tawny came in for the firsttime.
Tawny Odeo was a speaker atMobility Field Day talking about
network health, health and howthere's new assurance demo
that's available.
Hit my Twitter at Wireless Nerd.
You can see the QR code to scanto be a part of the new
assurance overview beta program,which is very, very cool.
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Adds a lot of functionality tothe Meraki dashboard, especially
when you talk about the contextof what they're doing with
Thousand Eyes and all that.
Just a really good storyoverall.
Paymon from I I know who you'veheard on the waves podcast, did
a dog and pony show for us,showed us this product and I my
hat goes off to him.
He sat in front of the firingsquad and took a lot of
questions from every differentangle about the product and it
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was great.
It was great to see, great tounderstand more about the
product.
I'm really looking forward toseeing what they're going to do
in the future.
I really like that they useland use and land clutter data
in their application.
When you're doing out, you knowoutdoor signal planning and
stuff.
It's very, very cool.
And then and then he says it wasthe moment that a lot of people
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were waiting for ubiquity forthe first time at a tech field
day event and I think it was thefirst time of them ever doing
any type of streaming productinformation.
It seems like it's the first.
Tom and Craig and Andrew got upand just did a stellar job
talking about the new U7 Pro Maxwith the scanning radio now
built into a Ubiquiti accesspoint, increased number of
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spatial streams on that U7 ProMax.
They talked about theirdeployment at the FedEx Forum
they talked about the newenterprise fortress gateway.
What a what a product man.
It looks like it's a beefylittle little sucker.
So their foray into enterpriseis happening now.
Are they ready for it?
I think they're.
They're sounding like they'regetting more and more prepared.
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They did have a sneakannouncement about a partner
program for their enterpriseequipment.
That's going to be beginning inthe next quarter or two, which
was great to hear.
So I'm curious to see how thatpans out, curious to see what
the Ubiquity Enterprise PartnerProgram looks like.
But overall it's going to bereally neat to see.
They handed us a bunch ofequipment, said have a nice day.
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Mob mobility field day wrappedup.
I got to eat it, hello guys.
So I'm happy we got some greatfood.
It was just a really good.
It was just a really good eventand I know I've talked for 20
minutes about it, but it's worthit.
Mobility field is just such agreat event and if you'd like to
register to be a candidate,visit techfielddaycom and
there's a little link up therewhere you can fill out the form
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if you'd like to apply to becomea delegate, and I would
strongly suggest it.
It's just such a such a coolthing to be a part of.
So while that was going on,connect x was happening on the
other side of the united statesand there were a couple key
things that I saw that I wastrying to monitor what was going
on.
So if I missed some of the newsfrom there I apologize.
My head was was pretty wrappedup with with mobility field day.
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But it connect x.
Some interesting things of note.
American tower corporation andcrown castle reported only half
of their structures currentlysupport 5g equipment and they're
expecting significant growth.
So I flipped on over to myfavorite news outlets rcr,
fierce wireless some of theseyou know, you know who you are.
There was, uh, some greatcoverage, some great articles
put out about that and I thoughtthat that was interesting
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because you know everyone keepstalking about the 5G effect and
is 5G going to deploy as quicklyas everyone thought it was?
And the numbers just aren'tthere to support that.
It's growing as fast aseveryone thought it would be.
So now they're starting to lookat why and what does that look
like in the future?
Is anything happening in thefuture?
And at least the view from thetop was the name of the session,
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wireless infrastructureassociation's view from the top.
They said that they're excited,that they're excited about
where the growth is going.
So that's good, because theirjobs depend on it, not mine.
So either they're they're allenlightened in some way or
they're all just as screwed aseach other.
But we'll see what happens.
Um, really cool.
Bill Baker from NextLinkInternet got out on the floor
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and talked about fixed wirelessand fiber deployment side by
side.
You know, I did a show a whileback where I worked with VTX
Broadband and it was the samestory it's fiber where fiber
works, it's wireless where fiberdoesn't work and wireless where
wireless is the best answer.
But he got up on stage and hetalked about fixed wireless and
fiber deployment, saying Taranahas really moved the needle when
it comes to fixed wireless.
What a great thing for Tarana.
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Man, like the product, don'tlike the product, know the
company, don't know the company,whatever.
When you get a customer who'swilling to get up there and say
things like that, they have sucha cool following of customers
that really like their product.
So it was really nice to seefiber and fixed wireless being
talked about in the sameconversation.
Now that goes into this otherthing.
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The AT&T CEO, john Stanky fromAT&T, had this whole spiel about
convergence.
Converged is now theopportunity.
He said it's going to be one ofthe key areas for AT&T to get
40% or 50% market share.
He said this is such a coolquote I had to mention.
He said I actually think if youwalked in and said, hey, my job
is to keep you on the internetwherever you go, that's a fairly
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compelling value propositionand I think that that's where a
lot of us are finding ourselvesin our careers is we're moving
into this place where it doesn'tmatter if it's 4G, 5g, wi,
wi-fi, whatever it is, use allof the tools and use them at the
best of their abilities,because our job is to keep
people connected to the Internetwherever they go.
And it is a compelling valueproposition.
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And to know that the CEO ofAT&T is trying to figure that
one out so that they can gainmarket share, that really
signals that that's going tofall in the laps of the people,
like you, dear listener, to makethat happen In the end.
John Stanky said it will eveninclude aspects like
non-terrestrial networks.
He says quote why last week didwe announce and do what we're
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doing in the satellite space?
I think customers don't want todrive off of a network.
Yeah, man, full convergedcoverage of wireless Definitely
something that's going to happen, speaking of Wi-Fi and 5G and
4G and 6G and all the Gs, theNational Telecommunications and
Information Administration Ithought it was Infrastructure
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Administration.
Wow, I must have got that wrong.
They've kicked off a formalpublic comment period where
they're looking for informationon the current state of
development as of the yetunstandardized 6G wireless
systems to guide executivebranch policy decisions.
So the NTIA is looking forpublic comment on 6G.
Now they're not talking aboutspectrum.
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Let me go back and read this.
They're not talking aboutspectrum.
Let me go back and read this.
They're not talking aboutspectrum.
What they're looking for is atiming of 6G lab and field
trials, commercial availability,how the US government can
ensure all segments of societybenefit from 6G and how 6G might
be able to improve networkresiliency during natural and or
man-made disasters that impactnetwork performance or
availability.
The comments gathered throughthe RFC will be used to put
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together a report and inform theUS policy on 6G.
Comments are due within 90 daysof the publication of the RFC
in the federal registration.
You can Google that and findmore information at ntiagov if
you have comments on 6G.
So I don't want to take up yourwhole chit-chat time.
I don't know what you're doing.
You're getting on a plane oryou're going to the bathroom, or
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you're running a marathon orwhatever you're doing.
Either way, I do appreciate youlistening to the Waves podcast.
I wanted to cover MFD this week.
I didn't see many otherannouncements.
If I missed something, pleasefeel free to drop me a line.
Let me know what I missed.
Let me know what I should betalking.
I do appreciate it.
I crossed 500 subscribers.
I'm at 541 on YouTube now,which means I'm only 469 away
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from my wife taking me to Mexico.
So if you'd like me to go toMexico just kidding, I
appreciate everything that y'allare doing.
I appreciate y'all listeningand for this week, that's going
to wrap it.
If I find any more information,I'll do a little uh, a little
pop-in later on, but right now Ithink that's where my head's at
, still trying to get over mfd.
It's going to be a good week.
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We've got some good eventscoming up.
Cisco live is coming up.
High tech is coming up uh, thewba is coming up also.
Don't let me leave withoutmentioning this the WBA Wi-Fi
birthday Right now.
There is the WFA is happeningin Austin right now with the
Wireless Alliance.
(23:46):
They're having theirstakeholders meeting.
But Wireless Broadband Allianceis proud to present Wireless
Global Congress.
Wgc 2024 is happening June 10ththrough 13th.
It's in Dallas.
It's right up the road from me.
Well, I'm going to say thatit's an hour and a half flight,
or a nine-hour drive up the roadfrom me.
1,500 attendees, 100-plusglobal operators, 50% CXOs, over
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100 speakers from 93 countries.
Register now.
Wirelessglobalcongresscom ispart of the wba.
It's going to be a great eventand I'm looking forward to it.
It's happening in dallas at themarriott downtown.
10th and the 11th they'reworking sessions for members of
the wba, and the 12th and 13thit's an open congress.
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So they've got over 200 members.
They're doing a lot of fun prtalking about how wireless has
has grown in age.
So take a look at, go towbaalliancecom to learn more and
maybe, just maybe, I will seeyou at the show in june.
So there you go, make plans togo to that.
But I mean, that's like a busycalendar though, because you've
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got live and then you've gotthis, and then you've got high
tech, and then you've got Idon't even know so many
different things.
But it's good.
It's trade show season and it'salso not 109 degrees, wherever
that is.
So maybe I'll see you therejust to get some air
conditioning, I don't know.
Mexico yes, let's go to mexicoanyway.
All right, y'all, thanks forlistening to waves.
We will talk to you next week.
Have a fantastic day, see ya.
there we go, everybody.
I hope you're having a momentof zen.
Good afternoon.
It is the week of may 20th 2024and this is the waves podcast.
What's new?
What's now?
What's next?
What's happening in thewireless industry?
We've got some great stuffgoing on.
It was a heck of a week.
Last week we didn't do thepodcast.
A lot of us were tuning intoMobility Field Day, so Mobility
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Field Day 11 happened this pastweek.
What a tremendous time.
We were live and direct in abeautiful Bay Area of California
.
We had such a good time Greatvendors, great presentations,
great delegates, lots and lotsof blogs that are being
published right now on on whatwe did and the good times that
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we had out there.
So that was awesome to see.
I'm logging in real quick.
Just got to make sure that Ican see what I'm supposed to be
seeing on uh, on the profileshere looking pretty good.
Huh, hope everybody's doingwell, okay.
So I'm going to try somethingnew.
I'm going to try and go to mycreator studio with uh, with
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youtube, and I'm gonna try andsee if I've got a live chat,
because I had such a good time.
I was inspired by cody.
There we go, whoopsie.
I was inspired by cody over atmactelcom where he had his
little chat going and peoplewere asking all these q and a's
and doing all this great stuff.
It was pretty neat.
So I'm going to pay attentionto that chat and see what pops
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up.
Um, I don't know how to do allthis fun stuff yet, but we'll
have a good time anyway.
So it looks like we're good.
We're streaming on youtube.
Man, it is 102 degrees, let'ssee.
It's 102 degrees outside rightnow and they say it's going to
feel like 114 in Texas, andthat's because it's only May.
So I see the advertisements forCisco Live and I see the
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advertisements for all theseother things coming up.
It looks like it's going to bea great opportunity to get out
of this area and go relax alittle bit in maybe somewhat
cooler temperatures.
So if you're listening to this,do me a favor.
If you want to, you don't haveto.
I've got a few on YouTube and afew on x.
Uh, head on over to youtube andsay hi, oh, look at that, my
daughter's in there.
(02:08):
She says love you, dad.
See, can't get more wholesomethan that.
That's fantastic.
Uh, oh, I was about to sayaren't you supposed to be in
school but it's four o'clock soshe's out of school.
Hi, baby girl.
Anyway, I had a great time.
Missed my kids, missed myfamily, but got to hang out with
my other family, my wirelessfamily out in San Jose or Santa
Clara area.
And what a fantastic time wehad at Mobility Field Day.
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Man, just going around thetable, I got to sit next to Ali
and I had Mark there.
Frenet was there, you know,just overall, it was a great
group of people.
Got to meet Ron and hang outwith him.
Uh, now I've got ron gpt, whichis the way that I've trained my
gpt to be a uh in the voice ofan analyst.
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Hey, mark's on, cool.
Hi, mark, dude, it was so muchfun hanging out with you last
week and your blogs for for theevent have been stellar.
Um, let me see if I can findthem so I can throw a link in
the chat.
Um, let me see if I can findthis because you wrote, you did
a such a good write-up of whatwas going on out there at
mobility field day.
Yeah, ubiquity goes toenterprise, but what about their
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cult followers?
I really enjoyed.
I really enjoyed reading thatone because it's true, you were,
you were hanging out in the uh.
There's the link to the blog.
You were hanging out in thediscord and I was hanging out on
youtube with mac telcom, uh andcody and his crew and there
were like 460 people watchingthere and I don't know how many
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were paying attention on thediscord.
But the questions that we gotwere were really interesting and
it was.
It was fun to have that levelof interactions.
You were there for nay wasthere?
Parsons was there.
Jen huber was there.
Uh, frenet was there.
Parsons was there.
Jen Huber was there.
Sam Clements was there.
Who else am I missing?
Dev Dev was there.
Yeah, that's right.
Dev was sitting right besideyou guys.
It was just a great group ofpeople and we got to ask some
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really interesting questions andI'll just run down what we
learned there because it wasinteresting.
I didn't know what my hopes werefor this mobility field.
I know that we saw that therewas gonna be a good vendor lined
up lineup and there were a lotof questions that I knew we
needed to ask.
But I I always like to just sitback and take it all in at
first, I think with MFD thisyear, when I really stop and
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think about what we learned.
You know, I really thoughteveryone was going to talk about
AI, ai, ai, and I was ready toget AI jammed down our throats
and have everyone talk about allthe neat ways that they're
doing AI and what they can dowith AI.
But instead of that, we gotuseful AI.
We got AI that was running inthe background, that it was
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doing what it was supposed to bedoing.
That was enabling us to do jobseasier, was enabling engineers
to do their jobs easier andmaintain and monitor these
networks in a better, moresophisticated way by leveraging
that data.
And so when Cisco came on,juniper was the first one out of
the gate.
When Juniper came on and theystarted talking about what they
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were doing.
The emphasis wasn't on whatMarvis can do and why Marvis ai
is the best, and so on and soforth.
It was about how they're doingthings with their back end and
leveraging ai to find answers toproblems or to questions and
present that to us in a way thatwas usable.
And so it was.
It was neat to see, you know,having having west as a
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presenter.
West does such a great job, healways does such a great job,
and it's so much fun to just sitback and listen to real world
statistics, real world dataabout adoption of six gigahertz
or about adoption of AI, in thiscase, and how it's helped
people, how it's helped to solveproblems.
So the Juniper presentation waspretty neat.
If I go back and I think aboutit, let me load up my Twitter
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account real quick and see whatI can find in there.
If I go back and think aboutwhat we learned, and again, if
you've got questions and stuff,please join in on the chat on
youtube, because, uh, it's thisthing at obs I haven't figured
out the right way to answer allthe chats all at the same time.
So if you want to chat, jumpover youtube.
Youtubecom, slash at wirelessnerd.
You can find me on there.
We've got a couple listenersthat are listening in right now.
(06:02):
So if you want to join us,please jump out.
Jump over there.
I'd love to hear what yourthoughts were about what we were
doing.
And again, if I go back and Ilook, let me, let me rewind a
couple of days.
I mean, just because I tweetedso much, or how do you?
I don't even know what theycall tweets on X anymore, but
the quick rundown of it Ooh, I'malmost there.
(06:23):
Hold on as I scroll down.
Take a drink of this waterAgain, 109 degrees, make sure if
you're in Texas or anywhereit's like 109 degrees Make sure
you're hydrating.
All right, the first thing theysaid is that they can't talk
about the HPE acquisition.
I remember that and I reallyfelt like one of us was just
going to ask a question just tosay, what about the HPE
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acquisition?
But I don't even think thatthat was the.
I think they quickly dismissedthat.
When Jeff dismissed that,basically it was like, okay,
it's done, we're not going totalk about it, let's move on.
It gave us the opportunity tofocus on what they were doing,
us the opportunity to focus onwhat they were doing and right
out of the gate they talkedabout the efficacy of Marvis and
they showed that beautifullittle graph of how Marvis has
been able to answer questionsover time and I love seeing that
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graph grow.
It starts in May 2018.
It goes to January 2024.
And it keeps track of every dayand all of the efficacy of
Marvis since the first day itwas launched.
I remember seeing it creep upand creep up and creep up and we
got to understand how all ofthe easy questions have
basically been answered and nowit's time to answer the tough
questions.
But there's so few and farbetween and so random and
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strange that it wasn't easy toanswer those.
So the efficacy is not taking ahit, but it's not growing as
quickly as it was before becausethe questions have inevitably
gotten more difficult, and soyou know.
My question still to Juniper isthat's great, and you've enabled
AI to read manuals and to goback and look at support and
stuff.
But when are we going to dosomething so that there's more
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interaction with the networkusing plain language AI?
Great comment from Sudhir.
He says Marvis is never wrong.
You know I would argue thatMarvis is never wrong.
You know I would argue thatmarvis is never wrong until
marvis is wrong.
But I don't know that marvishas been wrong, so I don't want
to.
I don't want to make anyonejuniper mad.
You never know.
I mean, if it's bad data, right, bad data in, bad data out.
I got to learn all about missedminis, which I hadn't really
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learned too much about,considering the last year.
I was not doing anything withmany other competitors, but
Marvis minis were interesting tolearn about running
microservices on their switchesand on their access points and
across the network to act asusers and to leverage different
network resources and look atresponse time and things like
that and then feed that all backinto the system.
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I think it's really cool, Ithink, when we can start to look
at those as standalone devicesand capture that from
off-network I mean obviously atCape that's one of the things
that we love to do is look atthe off-network perspective and
how that builds back in.
So learning that Juniper isdoing that and then feeding that
into their continuous learningmodel was pretty interesting.
We got to learn about that 46gig per second and why it only
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happens on 16 spatial streamradios.
Unfortunately, no vendor gaveus a 16 spatial stream radio,
but what they did give us wasreal-time RF information that
was imported directly fromJuniper into Hamina, and that
was really cool to see.
Now it's worth noting that thisdoesn't only work with Juniper.
This also works with Cisco andArista right now.
But being able to query thedashboard and get live real-time
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information, configurationinformation into Hamina and be
able to model that instantlygives you such a cool snapshot
view of what's going on on yournetwork that it's something that
we hadn't really seen before,and so it's just a different way
to visualize that network.
I had a great conversation withthe Hamina team earlier today,
so I'll be releasing that as aninterview later on, but it was
really neat to talk to themabout what they're doing,
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especially when you involve thatautomated environmental
learning.
Where are the access points?
Where are they locatedphysically?
What are they doing?
What are they seeing?
What are they hearing?
There was some other stuff thatJuniper talked about, but then
we moved into Fortinet and hadthe conversation about security,
into insecurity and what'shappening from an into insecure
perspective.
But I feel like it really Ilost track of what we were
(10:03):
saying when they started talkingabout fortico coins for the
tokens and fortinet as a serviceand how they can enable that by
having this model where youpurchase these tokens and these
tokens can be used to set up avirtual instance, and they can
be set up to or they can be usedto manage that virtual instance
and essentially all you have todo is just go deploy APs and
(10:24):
switches and everything else ismanaged in the cloud using
FortiCoins.
That to me sounded a lot likeFortinet network as a service,
which is okay.
I'm not knocking it, I'm justsaying that seems to be the
trend right.
When you've got GreenLake doingall the things I'll never
forget, you Green Lake doing allthe things I'll never forget.
When they said Green Lake isgoing to give you everything as
a service.
They're still trying to getthere.
But seeing that and then seeingdifferent services like Nile
(10:48):
and like Meter popping upoffering these as-a-service
things, it wasn't a far stretchof the imagination to see
Fortinet jump into that.
I just was not expecting itFrom all the vendors.
I wasn't expecting fortinet tostart offering that as a service
.
So that should be interesting.
We popped into salona and talkedabout 4g and 5g deployments.
They talked about theirdeployments and which industries
have been very successful forthem.
(11:09):
It was great I they got into asecurity conversation with
someone from palo alto and I'mnot gonna lie, it was.
It didn't strike my fancy.
So I just I I tried to truckthrough it, but at three or four
o'clock in the afternoon when Ihaven't had any coffee, it
makes it.
You know, my memory gets alittle fuzzy.
But day two turned around witharista kicking off and I gotta
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tell y'all that was.
I would really recommend thatyou go back and you watch the
video from ken at arista, theirco -founder and cTO.
Because, aside from all thetechnical stuff and aside from
everything that we learned atMobility Field Day and
everything that we learned froma technology perspective,
listening to Ken talk about theethics and the culture at Arista
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really put that company in adifferent light for me.
I always knew that they madethese big badass switches, they
pass lots of data and there'sall this stuff you could do with
it.
I never took the time to learnabout the people that started
the company.
I just took it as it's acompany and they're doing stuff
and moving forward.
When they had the acquisitionof Mojo, I know that for the
most part, that acquisition wentgreat for the people that were
on both sides.
(12:14):
It was good to see got a glimpseinto that with Ken's
conversation, where his quotesthe three quotes that stood out
to me is the culture of qualityis paramount at Arista, because
quality to me is an ethicalissue, he said.
He said it's wrong to shipstuff that doesn't work.
Didn't your mother teach youanything?
What a quote, man.
What a great thing to say.
And in the context of all of it, really I said this in my blog
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everyone just stopped.
We stopped clicking, we stoppedtapping, we stopped drinking
coffee.
He had our complete and fullattention.
So anyone who's going to be apresenter at Mobility Field Day
or Tech Field Day, or anywherein technology for that matter
take note of that conversationthat he had with us because it
was really really good, eventhough he doesn't know anything
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about wireless.
That's what he his words.
He said we didn't know anythingabout wireless, we're a bunch
of data center people.
Even though that was the case,his his story on what arista
does and how they do it wastremendous, which led into their
team just dropping bombs afterbombs of demos, man, spectrum
view of str, mlmr and emlsr andshowing preamble puncturing and
(13:21):
showing all this stuff live.
They pre-recorded some of theirdemos just in case they broke
and what was so cool is theystarted to play one.
But then they just went aheadand did it live and it was just
really informative for a groupof people to be able to see what
that looks like on a spectrumanalyzer, mlo working in real
time, preamble puncturingworking in real time and
understanding the impact thatthis is going to have on our
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networks.
It was just such a great, justa great nerdy demo, but Arista
does just a spectacular job atthat.
So kudos hats off to them forreally bringing the content and
bringing the people.
Cisco followed talking aboutdown tilt angle in their access
points.
They talked about what adifference makes with low power
clients and standard powerclients, how those two, how it's
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super important to understandthe difference between LPI and
SP clients and how to identifythose and understanding which
APs and which radios they cantalk to.
They talked a lot about andtheir version, what they're
doing with AI in the back endand what they're doing.
The automated packet capturecomponent that Minsei showed off
(14:26):
was just so cool and if you'venever seen Minsei Kim speak,
he's one of my favorite favoritepeople.
He's the reason I went to Ciscoin the first place a year and a
half ago.
Just so much fun to listen toand to be a part of, and his
energy and his excitement andhis passion for doing it just
came across in his wholepresentation.
If you get a chance, go watchthat that mobility field day
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presentation by mince where hetalked about taking these packet
captures, being proactive aboutit, taking them and running
them immediately through rootcause analysis and presenting
that information to you and easyto read and easy to digest
format was just one of thoseenhancements that Meraki does.
It's just one of those thingsthat makes their dashboard as
popular and significant as it is.
And then they moved in to talkabout AIRM and how radio
(15:09):
resource management is now notjust leveraging the information
that they have from Meraki, buthow it's using both the data
lakes from Catalyst and fromMeraki 40 million APs, 20
million APs whatever it is outin the cloud that they can get
information from to help withinsights and run AIRM.
That was pretty awesome to see.
It was.
Overall.
It was just so good.
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Cisco just always does abang-up job.
Dave came in and talked aboutsome of the new controllers.
Tawny came in for the firsttime.
Tawny Odeo was a speaker atMobility Field Day talking about
network health, health and howthere's new assurance demo
that's available.
Hit my Twitter at Wireless Nerd.
You can see the QR code to scanto be a part of the new
assurance overview beta program,which is very, very cool.
(15:51):
Adds a lot of functionality tothe Meraki dashboard, especially
when you talk about the contextof what they're doing with
Thousand Eyes and all that.
Just a really good storyoverall.
Paymon from I I know who you'veheard on the waves podcast, did
a dog and pony show for us,showed us this product and I my
hat goes off to him.
He sat in front of the firingsquad and took a lot of
questions from every differentangle about the product and it
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was great.
It was great to see, great tounderstand more about the
product.
I'm really looking forward toseeing what they're going to do
in the future.
I really like that they useland use and land clutter data
in their application.
When you're doing out, you knowoutdoor signal planning and
stuff.
It's very, very cool.
And then and then he says it wasthe moment that a lot of people
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were waiting for ubiquity forthe first time at a tech field
day event and I think it was thefirst time of them ever doing
any type of streaming productinformation.
It seems like it's the first.
Tom and Craig and Andrew got upand just did a stellar job
talking about the new U7 Pro Maxwith the scanning radio now
built into a Ubiquiti accesspoint, increased number of
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spatial streams on that U7 ProMax.
They talked about theirdeployment at the FedEx Forum
they talked about the newenterprise fortress gateway.
What a what a product man.
It looks like it's a beefylittle little sucker.
So their foray into enterpriseis happening now.
Are they ready for it?
I think they're.
They're sounding like they'regetting more and more prepared.
(17:17):
They did have a sneakannouncement about a partner
program for their enterpriseequipment.
That's going to be beginning inthe next quarter or two, which
was great to hear.
So I'm curious to see how thatpans out, curious to see what
the Ubiquity Enterprise PartnerProgram looks like.
But overall it's going to bereally neat to see.
They handed us a bunch ofequipment, said have a nice day.
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Mob mobility field day wrappedup.
I got to eat it, hello guys.
So I'm happy we got some greatfood.
It was just a really good.
It was just a really good eventand I know I've talked for 20
minutes about it, but it's worthit.
Mobility field is just such agreat event and if you'd like to
register to be a candidate,visit techfielddaycom and
there's a little link up therewhere you can fill out the form
(17:59):
if you'd like to apply to becomea delegate, and I would
strongly suggest it.
It's just such a such a coolthing to be a part of.
So while that was going on,connect x was happening on the
other side of the united statesand there were a couple key
things that I saw that I wastrying to monitor what was going
on.
So if I missed some of the newsfrom there I apologize.
My head was was pretty wrappedup with with mobility field day.
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But it connect x.
Some interesting things of note.
American tower corporation andcrown castle reported only half
of their structures currentlysupport 5g equipment and they're
expecting significant growth.
So I flipped on over to myfavorite news outlets rcr,
fierce wireless some of theseyou know, you know who you are.
There was, uh, some greatcoverage, some great articles
put out about that and I thoughtthat that was interesting
(18:42):
because you know everyone keepstalking about the 5G effect and
is 5G going to deploy as quicklyas everyone thought it was?
And the numbers just aren'tthere to support that.
It's growing as fast aseveryone thought it would be.
So now they're starting to lookat why and what does that look
like in the future?
Is anything happening in thefuture?
And at least the view from thetop was the name of the session,
(19:02):
wireless infrastructureassociation's view from the top.
They said that they're excited,that they're excited about
where the growth is going.
So that's good, because theirjobs depend on it, not mine.
So either they're they're allenlightened in some way or
they're all just as screwed aseach other.
But we'll see what happens.
Um, really cool.
Bill Baker from NextLinkInternet got out on the floor
(19:24):
and talked about fixed wirelessand fiber deployment side by
side.
You know, I did a show a whileback where I worked with VTX
Broadband and it was the samestory it's fiber where fiber
works, it's wireless where fiberdoesn't work and wireless where
wireless is the best answer.
But he got up on stage and hetalked about fixed wireless and
fiber deployment, saying Taranahas really moved the needle when
it comes to fixed wireless.
What a great thing for Tarana.
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Man, like the product, don'tlike the product, know the
company, don't know the company,whatever.
When you get a customer who'swilling to get up there and say
things like that, they have sucha cool following of customers
that really like their product.
So it was really nice to seefiber and fixed wireless being
talked about in the sameconversation.
Now that goes into this otherthing.
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The AT&T CEO, john Stanky fromAT&T, had this whole spiel about
convergence.
Converged is now theopportunity.
He said it's going to be one ofthe key areas for AT&T to get
40% or 50% market share.
He said this is such a coolquote I had to mention.
He said I actually think if youwalked in and said, hey, my job
is to keep you on the internetwherever you go, that's a fairly
(20:30):
compelling value propositionand I think that that's where a
lot of us are finding ourselvesin our careers is we're moving
into this place where it doesn'tmatter if it's 4G, 5g, wi,
wi-fi, whatever it is, use allof the tools and use them at the
best of their abilities,because our job is to keep
people connected to the Internetwherever they go.
And it is a compelling valueproposition.
(20:51):
And to know that the CEO ofAT&T is trying to figure that
one out so that they can gainmarket share, that really
signals that that's going tofall in the laps of the people,
like you, dear listener, to makethat happen In the end.
John Stanky said it will eveninclude aspects like
non-terrestrial networks.
He says quote why last week didwe announce and do what we're
(21:13):
doing in the satellite space?
I think customers don't want todrive off of a network.
Yeah, man, full convergedcoverage of wireless Definitely
something that's going to happen, speaking of Wi-Fi and 5G and
4G and 6G and all the Gs, theNational Telecommunications and
Information Administration Ithought it was Infrastructure
(21:34):
Administration.
Wow, I must have got that wrong.
They've kicked off a formalpublic comment period where
they're looking for informationon the current state of
development as of the yetunstandardized 6G wireless
systems to guide executivebranch policy decisions.
So the NTIA is looking forpublic comment on 6G.
Now they're not talking aboutspectrum.
(21:55):
Let me go back and read this.
They're not talking aboutspectrum.
Let me go back and read this.
They're not talking aboutspectrum.
What they're looking for is atiming of 6G lab and field
trials, commercial availability,how the US government can
ensure all segments of societybenefit from 6G and how 6G might
be able to improve networkresiliency during natural and or
man-made disasters that impactnetwork performance or
availability.
The comments gathered throughthe RFC will be used to put
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together a report and inform theUS policy on 6G.
Comments are due within 90 daysof the publication of the RFC
in the federal registration.
You can Google that and findmore information at ntiagov if
you have comments on 6G.
So I don't want to take up yourwhole chit-chat time.
I don't know what you're doing.
You're getting on a plane oryou're going to the bathroom, or
(22:38):
you're running a marathon orwhatever you're doing.
Either way, I do appreciate youlistening to the Waves podcast.
I wanted to cover MFD this week.
I didn't see many otherannouncements.
If I missed something, pleasefeel free to drop me a line.
Let me know what I missed.
Let me know what I should betalking.
I do appreciate it.
I crossed 500 subscribers.
I'm at 541 on YouTube now,which means I'm only 469 away
(23:05):
from my wife taking me to Mexico.
So if you'd like me to go toMexico just kidding, I
appreciate everything that y'allare doing.
I appreciate y'all listeningand for this week, that's going
to wrap it.
If I find any more information,I'll do a little uh, a little
pop-in later on, but right now Ithink that's where my head's at
, still trying to get over mfd.
It's going to be a good week.
(23:26):
We've got some good eventscoming up.
Cisco live is coming up.
High tech is coming up uh, thewba is coming up also.
Don't let me leave withoutmentioning this the WBA Wi-Fi
birthday Right now.
There is the WFA is happeningin Austin right now with the
Wireless Alliance.
(23:46):
They're having theirstakeholders meeting.
But Wireless Broadband Allianceis proud to present Wireless
Global Congress.
Wgc 2024 is happening June 10ththrough 13th.
It's in Dallas.
It's right up the road from me.
Well, I'm going to say thatit's an hour and a half flight,
or a nine-hour drive up the roadfrom me.
1,500 attendees, 100-plusglobal operators, 50% CXOs, over
(24:11):
100 speakers from 93 countries.
Register now.
Wirelessglobalcongresscom ispart of the wba.
It's going to be a great eventand I'm looking forward to it.
It's happening in dallas at themarriott downtown.
10th and the 11th they'reworking sessions for members of
the wba, and the 12th and 13thit's an open congress.
(24:31):
So they've got over 200 members.
They're doing a lot of fun prtalking about how wireless has
has grown in age.
So take a look at, go towbaalliancecom to learn more and
maybe, just maybe, I will seeyou at the show in june.
So there you go, make plans togo to that.
But I mean, that's like a busycalendar though, because you've
(24:52):
got live and then you've gotthis, and then you've got high
tech, and then you've got Idon't even know so many
different things.
But it's good.
It's trade show season and it'salso not 109 degrees, wherever
that is.
So maybe I'll see you therejust to get some air
conditioning, I don't know.
Mexico yes, let's go to mexicoanyway.
All right, y'all, thanks forlistening to waves.
We will talk to you next week.
Have a fantastic day, see ya.
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