The Wireless World Keeps Spinning While Industry Giants Reshuffle

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Fresh from his first trip to Australia, Drew Lentz dives into the evolving landscape of wireless networking with observations that span from down under to the stratosphere. The Melbourne adventure yielded more than just kangaroo sightings and chicken "parmies" – it showcased how different regions approach connectivity challenges with innovative solutions.

The industry continues its dramatic reshuffling as major players reposition themselves. The HPE-Juniper merger leaves customers wondering about the fate of competing wireless portfolios, while Meraki's transition from its iconic green to Cisco blue marks what many see as the final chapter in its absorption. Todd Nightingale's move to Arista as President and COO signals potential shifts in the competitive landscape, particularly for wireless offerings that have struggled for market visibility despite technical excellence.

Beyond traditional networking, groundbreaking connectivity approaches are taking shape. High Altitude Platform Systems (HAPS) floating 20 kilometers above Earth are beaming 5G signals down to areas that traditional infrastructure struggles to reach. Meanwhile, Xfinity routers now feature Wi-Fi motion detection that can sense movement through signal reflections, and community-driven initiatives like Philly Community Wireless demonstrate how grassroots approaches to connectivity remain vital. The emerging trend of influencer-led Mobile Virtual Network Operators shows how connectivity is becoming increasingly integrated with culture and lifestyle.

With hurricane season approaching the Gulf Coast, Drew emphasizes how wireless professionals can contribute vital communication capabilities during disasters. Whether through AWS Disaster Response, ITDRC, or local initiatives, the technical skills we often take for granted can become lifesaving resources when traditional networks fail. Connect with Drew at upcoming industry events including TRA in Houston, the World Surfing League in Huntington Beach, Meter Up in San Francisco, or WLPC Prague to discuss these developments and explore how our wireless community can continue pushing connectivity forward in meaningful ways.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, look at that, me talking about you, you talking
about me.
Anyway, what's up everybody?
Drew Lentz the Wireless Nerd itis July 16th 2025.
Man, what a last couple ofweeks.
Let's catch up.
Let's see what's been going on.
I went to Australia for thefirst time.

(00:20):
That was pretty awesome.
Got a trip to go down under andI went to Melbourne and had a
fantastic time down there, gotto meet some of the most
incredible people, had just aspectacular time learning about
Wi-Fi and the use cases thatthey have in places that I
hadn't thought about before, andseeing just a different view on

(00:44):
what Wi-Fi is and how peopleuse it and the services that it
provides to people who don'ttraditionally have services or
do have services, but in adifferent way.
It was really really neat tosee that, and I got to give a
shout-out to some of thesalespeople at Aruba because,
holy moly, dude, aruba is allover Australia.
I saw lots of Aruba, so kudosto that.

(01:07):
I even wanted to reach out toAaron, but I guess he's up in
Sydney so I didn't get a chanceto see him, but it was just fun
to see.
I just kept seeing it pop upeverywhere.
But Australia is a wonderfulplace and if you ever get a
chance to visit, I mean please,please, don't hesitate on the
opportunity.
I ended up funny, not funny.
I ended up, you know, in asprinter van filled with people

(01:33):
going and doing some site toursand stuff.
And it was really neat.
And, you know, looking attechnology, and some of the
people that were there testedpositive for COVID, you know,
two days later, a day later, andso I went stocked up on
vitamins and zinc and atebananas and yogurt and tested
and was negative and everythingwas safe and we're good.
And then I decided that I wasn'tjust going to sit in my hotel
room.

(01:53):
I had this crazy hacking coughand as soon as the cough let up
a little bit, I said, you know,I'm just going to walk around.
And what I ended up doing is Iended up working from the street
.
That day I took my cell phonewith me, took my AirPods with me
and took my camera and I walkedaround the streets of Melbourne
for I don't even know how longsix hours or something like that
and I just walked all up anddown the central business

(02:14):
district, back and forth acrossthe Yarra River and just really
enjoyed the views, tried todistance myself from people,
didn't want to get anybody sickand it was just a really
unfortunate but fortunate eventBecause everybody got sick.
It gave me a chance to go getsome stroleosis out of my system
and go walk around.
So it was really neat.

(02:35):
I want to go down.
I want to go to a land downunder.
Mark says it was cool.
Man, it was cool.
We tried all kinds of differentfood.
I learned all about chickenparmies.
Thanks, it was cool.
We tried all kinds of differentfood.
I learned all about chickenparmies Thanks to.
Some of my new friendsintroduced me to the number one
bar food in Australia chickenparma.
And it didn't fall from me thatpeople take the A off the end

(02:56):
and they throw Ys and everythingLike Tasmania.
The people from Tasmania areTassies.
The people from Australia areAussies.
When you order a chicken parma,you order a chicken parmy.
It's kind of fun.
You know.
We learned some great sayingsfrom my new buddies in Australia
when we were talking aboutgoing out and doing something
you know in the States orwherever you're talking about.

(03:17):
Look, we're not here to wasteany time.
We're not here to, you know,just to mess around.
We're here to get stuff done.
In Australia there's actually asaying that we're not here to
beep spiders.
So the whole joke was all about, you know, beeping spiders.
I'm not going to say it, Idon't want to get, you know,

(03:38):
flagged for anything.
Anyway, it was, uh, it wasfunny.
We learned some.
We learned some sayings, sawsome kangaroos Obviously, we had
our eyes out the whole time.
We didn't see any spiders.
We looked for lots and lots ofspiders, because it seems like
all of American TikTok isfixated on Australia being the
land where everything is tryingto kill you, and one of those
things is the huge Huntsmanspider.

(03:58):
We even went to the zoo anddidn't find spiders at the zoo.
So what are you going to do,man?
Anyway, australia was great andit was a wonderful time.
I hate to say the whole.
If you get a chance to go downthere, dude, that's totally not
realistic and right as soon as Isaid it before, I was like
that's you know.
Yes, if you ever get a chanceto drive a Ferrari, make sure

(04:20):
you take somebody up on that.
Give me a break, dude.
If travels happen to take youto Australia or if you want a
cool place to go, go check outAustralia.
It's probably out of the wayfor a lot of people, but for
those of you that it's not.
It's pretty neat man.
So that happened and then thesickness hit and that was kind
of rough, but got through that,not too bad A little bit of a

(04:42):
scratchy throat.
This is one of those thingswhere I was going to go and I
was going to record last weekbut my voice sounded pretty bad
so I thought I'm going to wait aminute and push it and push the
podcast to this week.
So, anyway, what else ishappening?
Let's see.
It's summertime in the US andso we got kids at home.
So, you know, my daughter madea special appearance on, I think

(05:04):
, two episodes ago, and my son'sbeen running around jumping in
on conference calls with me.
So summer is summering, as theysay.
What do I?
Got going on Headed out to theWorld Surfing League, as you all
know, if you follow my travelsthrough the projects I get to
work on with Eero.
Eero is a big sponsor of theWorld Surfing League, so I'm
going to be out at HuntingtonBeach for the US Open.

(05:25):
The World Surfing League, wsl.
Us Open is happening from July27th through August 3rd and it's
a big to-do down in HuntingtonBeach.
Lots of professional surfersout there, lots of up-and-coming
amateur surfers out there, evensurf camp for the little ones.
So I'll be out in Huntington.
If you guys are in SouthernCalifornia and you want to say

(05:47):
hi, let me know.
If you want to check out thesurfing stuff it's free and open
to the public.
Come on over, come say hello.
If you want to see what I'mdoing with Eero, we've got a
massively cool deployment that'sgoing on down there providing
Wi-Fi all across the area.
It's going to be really, reallyneat.
I get a kick out of doing thisstuff.
It's like a live working labfor me.
So I get to get a little bitmore deployment underneath my

(06:10):
hands or underneath my belt andget some stuff done.
So I'll be out there for that.
This weekend, if you're inHouston, I'll be at the Texas
Restaurant Association show.
I'm a huge supporter of TexasRestaurant Association.
Just so happens that somemeetings collided.
That worked out.
So Sunday and Monday I'll be upin H-Town.
Astros are not playing, but ifyou happen to find yourself at
TRA, let me know.
I'll be up there for Sunday andthen all of Monday and then

(06:32):
Huntington after that and tradeshow-wise.
Just starting to look at thecalendar to wrap up the end of
the year.
Wlpc is coming up.
Meter Up is coming up.
Coming up.
Meter up is coming up um.
And then there's something elsecoming up at the beginning of
um oh aws reinvents coming up atthe beginning of december.
So if you happen to be at anyof those, I think registration

(06:53):
is still open.
For meter up.
It's going to take place innovember, tuesday, november 18th
, at the meter offices.
Is it 155 9th street, sanfrancisco, november 18th at the
meter offices.
Is it 155 9th street, sanFrancisco, november 18th, 2025.
Come learn what meters up to.
They're doing some really neatstuff.
They just announced $170million in funding, which is

(07:15):
phenomenal.
They've got some new, some newannouncements with, with
partners and with what they're.
You know, some of the servicesthat they're bringing to market.
So if you get a chance, youwant to learn more.
Registration is open now.
If you go to metercom slashmeter up, early bird tickets are
$3.49.
And if you register before July25th you've got nine days
they're $3.49.
After July 25th it cranks up to$449.

(07:38):
And I don't know who all thespeakers are that are going to
be attending this one, but rightnow, sanjay Biswas, is going to
be their CEO and co-founder ofSamsara and former CEO and
co-founder of Meraki, so verycool to have him be on the stage
Going to learn some greatlessons there.
Obviously, anil and Sunil, theco-founders of Meter, are going
to be there.
It says the full list is goingto be coming up soon and it's

(08:06):
going to be really neat.
If you don't know anythingabout Meter, check it out.
But, most importantly aside,this is one of those things
where obviously there's a vendormessage behind it.
But the thing that I'm excitedabout seeing here is what
they're doing with AI and whatthey announced with Canvas.
I don't know if you rememberwhen we covered it last year and
when they did Meter up lastyear.
What was so interesting towatch was they did this live
view of this thing called canvasinside meter is like, oh, this

(08:28):
is great man, that'd be reallycool if that was made publicly
available on other ai platforms.
Like three days later, uh, chat, gpt announced this thing
called canvas where you can dothis, this ai stuff, and I don't
know if that was done onpurpose or maybe accidentally on
purpose, but it was neat to seethe innovation that they were
pushing towards with AI.

(08:48):
So I would strongly encourageyou to check this out if you
want to see a glimpse of whatthey're doing and what their
version of the future looks like.
If you're interested, pleasevisit metercom.
Slash meter up and I will seeyou there.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
There's going to be someengaging totally engaging
conversation, and everybody fromthe team, I believe, is going

(09:10):
to be pretty accessible there.
So if you have questions aboutwhat they're doing and what
their products are, they'regoing to be there.
It's a great place where lastyear, I sat down at a table.
It was a lot of us that knoweach other in the industry
showed up.
We're like I didn't know you'regoing to be here.
I didn't know you're going tobe here.
And the next thing, you know,we're at a picnic table having
these incredible conversationsabout what the future of AI is
and how that applies tonetworking, and you know it's so

(09:31):
crazy.
I think that was just a yearago and here we are and you know
the conversations.
Now the he said you know thepeople are going to be
successful are the people thatlearn how to use AI and the
people that adopt AI and thatadapt to AI and there's so many

(09:53):
neat things, I think happeningin that space where people are
using it to enhance what theircapabilities are and to help
them be better about their jobsand take care of the mundane
tasks way faster.
I'm such a strong believer inthat.
I think it's really, reallyneat.
Let's see.
Remember, it's not MFD, drew,I'm playing a B&B, but it's not

(10:15):
mobility field.
Yeah, so last year some of mypals gave me a hard time because
I kept raising my hand andasking questions in the middle
of the presentation.
I'm going to let Dean Bubblyhandle that one.
This year We'll let Dino be theguy that interrupts.
I'll try and stay quietly inthe back.
I can't help it, man.
Enthusiasm and excitement.

(10:35):
You know, as I said last year,you know they knew what they
were getting when they invitedme, anyway.
So we've got that.
That's coming up.
Then wlpc prague is coming up.
I think voting sessions are.
They might be closed.
Are they still open?
October 14th through uh 16thand prague czech republic.

(10:56):
Boot camps are the 11th throughthe 13th and right now
registration options are set upmain conference conference 2,600
euros.
Main conference and boot campis 5,600 euro.
It's at a new location this year.
It was previously at the NHHotel and now I don't see it on

(11:16):
here.
Let me see, I don't see thelisting on here, but if you need
listing, go ahead and look upWLPC for 2025.
It's going to be really neat.
Uh, it's going to be reallyneat.
It's going to be fun.
It's a new property, a newhotel.
Um, the sessions.
I believe the session picker.
Let me see, give me a second.
Let's see voting for wlpcsessions 2025.

(11:39):
Uh, let's see if I can findthis.
Um, I know keith had online.
If you don't follow KeithParsons on LinkedIn, do me a
favor and go find Mr Keith RParsons and give him a follow.
You don't have to connect withhim if you don't know him.
If you don't feel comfortabledoing that, then just follow him

(11:59):
.
That brings me to something Iwanted to chat about real quick.
I get lots of requests frompeople that want to follow me on
LinkedIn or that want toconnect with me on LinkedIn.
There's people that follow andthen there's people that connect
, and I am pretty picky aboutthe people that I actually
connect with on LinkedIn.
My whole concept is if Ihaven't had a real conversation
with you and I don't feel like Iknow who you are and you know

(12:20):
who I am, I'm not inclined toconnect with you.
I only really want to connectwith people on LinkedIn that I
feel that I could use as areference or they could use me
as a reference for something.
So if you're sending me aLinkedIn request, expect me to
send people your way.
If you say, hey, I work in thisspace, at this company, I'm a

(12:42):
network engineer at Walt Disney.
If someone asks me, hey, what'sit like to be you know, what's
it like to deploy at a themepark, I'm like I don't know, but
I know somebody who does.
I'm going to do that.
And it's not like for jobs orfor sales.
God, please quit trying to sellme stuff on LinkedIn.
If you want to connect with me,connect with me.

(13:07):
If you're trying to sell mesomething, find another way to
do it.
I hate being sold on LinkedIn,but I use LinkedIn as a tool to
route relationships and toconnect with people and I find
that I get a lot of people,especially you know what's nuts
is, especially since I startedwith Eero and my job.
You know.
It says I work for Amazon,which I do work for Amazon.
It says Amazon on my LinkedIn.
I get all these people likesending me messages saying you
know, I've got a great solutionfor Amazon.
I'm like I get it dude, I getthe whole sales thing, but I use

(13:30):
LinkedIn to really tocommunicate with people that
I've connected with, and so Idon't.
I don't really like the randomthings that come on.
So if I ignore you on LinkedInI even say it like it's at the
top of my profile If you justtry and blindly connect with me,
I'm probably going to deny you.
But if you say, hey, I'd reallylike to talk to you about

(13:51):
something, then I'm totally opento it.
Like I'm absolutely open to it,but send a message with it and
yeah, man, I mean that's.
I really feel like LinkedIn.
We need to keep LinkedIn forthat space.
There's no other space likethat.
There really isn't.
That's what I use it for, andmaybe I'm old and cratched here
or whatever, but that's what Iuse LinkedIn for.
So long story short.
Please don't try and connectwith me on LinkedIn if I don't

(14:14):
actually know you and if you'renot comfortable with me sending
people to you to ask questionsabout what you do.
That's it.
That's the long and short of itIf you want to connect with me
otherwise.
Find me on Twitter, find me onX, find me on YouTube, find me
on every other social media site, but keep LinkedIn.
You know, for what LinkedIn issupposed to be.
That being said, something cameup.

(14:35):
I got flagged, or flag tagged,on a list where someone tagged
me and it was really.
It was neat.
I wasn't on the main list, Iwas like on a sub list, but
whatevs.
And the question was asked whoare the main people that you
follow in the wireless industrywhere you get your news from or
you get information from, maybenot just news, but to find out

(14:55):
what's going on?
I have my list of people that Ican rattle off the top of my
head.
Right, obviously, keith and Igo way back now, I guess,
because that's what we do, but Ialways look to Keith.
I look at Keith Townsend, theCTO advisor.
I look at Maribel, the analyst.
I look at Sean Morgan.
I look at the analyst side ofit.

(15:17):
There's people like Mark that Ilook at for 4G and LTE stuff.
Good old Ron Ron's.
On the tip of my tongue there'sRon Westfall.
You know, I look for peoplethat I appreciate their opinion
and their candid opinion.
Jake Snyder love listening toJake Wes Purvis love listening
to Wes.
You know there's people that Ilook at.

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What I'd like to ask you is whoare the people that you follow?
Because if there's someone thatI don't know, I would love to
learn more.
You know you've got the biginfluencer types right.
You've got the.
You know, the Alexis's of theworld and the Eva's of the world
and Eva, congratulations, bythe way, on the job move.
I know that was probably areally tough decision for you
and I appreciate you reachingout to me, but I'm so, so happy

(15:58):
for you.
It's always cool to embark on anew adventure, so kudos for
making that decision and I wishyou all the best on that.
So, people like Eva, who issharing information.
Chetil, who sends stuff all thetime I mean my LinkedIn feed is
like I love looking at itbecause it's the stuff that I
nerd out on.
And then, you know, from amanufacturer's perspective God,

(16:20):
I don't know.
It's like UC doesn't know howto not release stuff.
You know what I mean?
It's like it wakes up and he'slike oh, I'm just going to
release 15 new things today.
So I love to see that becausethat pushes the industry forward
.
I love to see what Sidos isdoing with their wave device and
some of the new things thatthey have going on.
These are people that I look at, that I look forward to seeing
things.

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So, if there's someone thatFrenet, yes man, frenet, one
that for nay, yes, man, for nay,for sure, for sure, I mean, if
you want to know how stuff works, oh man, I think I feel like we
need a poster board or like amessage board that says if
you're looking, you know, ifyou're looking for analysis,
here's the top three people.
If you're looking for actuallygetting shit done, here's the
top three people.
If you're looking for insight,you know.
Uh, if you're looking foropinion, you know, that's one
thing that we don't have.
Uh, I feel like, and like in agood way.

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I don't feel like the industry,or the wireless industry, has
lots of opinionated people aboutcertain things, because we all
just kind of deal with tech.
You know, it's been a while,although keith keith has been
stirring up some ruckus online.
Uh, you know, I saw his posttoday where he was talking about
I've got to look it up, but youknow it's it's been fun to see

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some, some flame wars start.
You know, I love it.
I love the opinions.
Keep them, keep them coming,anyway.
So I just want to ask you, youknow, first and foremost, keep
LinkedIn the way that LinkedInsupposed to be.
And then, number two, tagsomeone, man, tag who you think
we should be listening to andshare it with everybody.
Don't ever be scared to sharewho you listen to with everyone.

(17:51):
We all have the same.
You know, we're all trying toget basically the same
information.
I comb the news to find weirdstuff, but I'm old school and so
I still use RSS feeds.
I don't know if I've talkedabout that or what I do, but I
mean, I really miss GoogleReader, but I use InnoReader
InnoReader, I don't know thecorrect way to say it.
I use that to aggregate all myfeeds from everywhere, and then

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that's how I sift through someof the weird stuff that's going
on.
So, speaking of the weird stuffthat's going on, where do we
start?
So this is two weeks old nowbecause I haven't had a moment
to do the podcast, but HP andJuniper merger is complete.
Drew Murray did an incrediblewrite-up with Packet Pushers and

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it's at packetpushersnet.
If you look up Drew Murray, hedid a really, really great
write-up, in my opinion aboutwhat was going on with the
merger, so I'm sharing it on thescreen if you're watching right
now.
But his thing is he says youknow if you read through it what

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message are they trying toconvey with what they're talking
about?
What's going to happen to thewireless portfolio?
Are they missing an opportunity?
And so to summarize it and I'llleave the last part out so you
can go visit Drew's blog here atpacketpushersnet One of the
biggest questions about the HPJuniper merger was how to
rationalize two competing WLANportfolios.
In fact, it might be the biggestquestion.

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Well, for us in the Wi-Fi space, yeah, probably the biggest
question.
I would agree with that.
One, drew, from one Drew toanother.
Reading between the lines, myimpression is that the two
offerings will remain separatefor the time being, while hp
works on ingesting juniper andintegrating product management,
engineering, marketing, blah,blah, blah, blah.
That said, why are we stilltrying to guess what's going to
happen?
Nirian rhymes said more than ayear that they've had more than

(19:40):
a year to formulate a plan.
So what's going on?
Allowing the uncertainty tocontinue is a strategic error.
It creates a wedge thatcompetitors, including Cisco,
xtreme, arista, huawei andUbiquiti, can exploit, while
this newly emerged entity isbeing thoughtful, so I agree
with that.
It's like as soon as that thingwas announced, I feel like there
should have been something biglike OK, here's what we're going

(20:02):
to do.
We've been sitting on it, we'vebeen thinking about it.
Here it is and it's not outthere.
So it still begs the questionwhat is this going to look like?
Organization-wise,branding-wise, going forward, hp
will have a networking businessunit called HPE Networking and
Rami from Juniper is going to berunning that.
So that's pretty cool.

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The business unit willintegrate product management,
engineering, other functions,and it's going to be HPE Aruba
networking and HPE Junipernetworking.
Let's see where that goes, youknow, but we'll see how they
bring this together, becausethis, to me, is the fascinating
thing what's really going tohappen?
You know there's the spin outof missed AI and the way that

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you know who's going to bid onit.
Where's that going to land?
Where's it going to call home?
How's it going to be licensed?
Who else can license it?
Will it be locked down?
Will it not be locked down?
There's a lot of questionsabout what's going on there that
have yet to be answered, andthat's okay.
I mean, we don't.
We're not sitting in the boardrooms.
We don't need the answers, butit is.
I think, as Drew, lot of us lookat this with kind of elephant

(21:04):
in the room is is what's goingto happen.
What does this mean for theindustry as a whole?
You know, and and it's stillthat whole if I'm a Juniper
customer, do I continue to buyJuniper today?
Like, if I need to buy some newAPs, am I buying them today or
am I waiting?
What if I'm a Aruba customer?
Am I like, am I buying some newAruba APs today or am I holding

(21:37):
onto them?
And?
And how is that affecting salescycles?
How is that affectingtechnology?
And how is that not opening thedoor for a competitor to come
in and say, hey, while they'refiguring out what's going on,
here's a new product, let meintroduce it, and it's you,
cisco Live.
And it struck a chord.
I think it struck an emotionalchord more than anything else,
but also that sense of pride.
And when you have people thattraditionally wear bright green

(21:59):
jackets walking through CiscoLive not wearing bright green
jackets ahem, ahem, you know whoI'm talking about it makes a
statement.
And so the statement is thatMeraki has gone.
Full blue, pantone 368C Merakigreen is no longer on the Meraki
dashboard, been replaced byPantone 296C, otherwise known as

(22:22):
Midnight Blue.
Midnight Blue marks a new era.
They said, not a departure but adoubling down.
Well, a doubling down for whoman?
It's kind of like.
There goes Meraki.
Long live Meraki.
You know, like that's a bummerman and I think there were more
people that were sad about thatthan a lot of other things.
But insert that into the chaosthat's happening at that, you

(22:45):
know, at the other organization,what's that?
Into the chaos that's happeningat that.
You know, at the otherorganization, what's happening
with Cisco Meraki and it's youknow, the thing about it is is
ah man, this is like I don'twant to say it because I want
people to get mad at me, but Ialso don't want people to not
get mad at me.
I guess there's a lot ofbenefit to Meraki becoming Cisco
right, I feel, meraki becomingCisco right, I feel, and there's

(23:11):
also a lot of benefit for Ciscolearning from Meraki, I feel.
I think that it can go bothways and I think that what's
happened has just been reallytough to watch over the last
decade, with the amount ofinnovation and things that are
taking place Talked about thisright after Cisco Live.
Right, the Magic Quadrant stillbringing up conversation to this
day.

(23:31):
I mean, I have thousands andthousands of views on my Magic
Quadrant post and even otherfriends have posted online that
they've got like 100,000 viewson their Magic Quadrant post.
The Magic Quadrant Gartner Idon't know if you're listening,
I don't know if you did it justto get people all riled up, but,
holy moly, I haven't heard thismany people talk about the
Magic Quadrant in a really longtime.

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So it's been not a shocker, Iguess, but at least it's been a
conversation point.
But from the culture side andfrom the people side and from
tech, from the technology side,watching what's happening at
Cisco happen and then watchingwhat's happening at Juniper and
HP happen is like, ah, chaos,crazy hands, crazy hands, chaos

(24:14):
everywhere.
Um, yeah, watch Jake and Sam onthe tech field day podcast this
week for a great viewpoint onthe HPE Juniper thing.
A good shout out man.
Uh, jake and Sam probably are.
Those are two people that I amstrong fans of, so I would love
to hear what they're talkingabout there.
So thanks, mark, for pointingthat out.
Watch the Tech Field Daypodcast this week.

(24:35):
Great Viewpoints by Jakey Snyder, I always call him Jakey.
I love Jake.
Just need a hug from Jake everyonce in a while.
Just makes the world better,man, you know, give Jake a hug
once in a while.
It makes the world better, man,you know.
Give Jake a hug.
Well, don't?
I mean don't just walk up andgive him a hug, and you should
probably ask him first.
He might say no.
But if you get a chance to hugJake, hug Jake.
He's a cool dude, sam.
Sam will hug you, no matterwhat.
We love Sam.

(24:56):
Anyway, sorry, sidetrackedthere, but those two, those good
viewpoint on it.
So I'm definitely gonna belooking for that and listening
for that perspective.
All right, speaking of uh, let'ssee, so got those two mergers.
Oh, another one, a name thatpopped up out of nowhere.
Just thought I'd shout this outwhen I saw it todd nightingale,
who used to run networking atcisco.
Todd nightingale was just namedas the president and coo of

(25:19):
arista, and by just named, Imean two weeks ago, but I saw
that I was like well, good, forArista has been like the.
I remember when there was allthat animosity from Cisco
towards Arista and what they'redoing with their switches and
Juniper got in.
Everyone's like switches.
Everybody's mad at each other.
I wonder, with Todd'sbackground with Meraki and what

(25:42):
he did at Cisco, I wonder ifthis is going to help push
Arista Wireless in a biggerdirection.
Man, I love the team over there.
Some of the best presenters atWLPC are from Arista.
Some of the most knowledgeablepeople are from Arista, but yet
I still walk down the street Idon't see Arista Access Points
installed anywhere.
Don't see them.
There's no market visibilitythere.

(26:02):
I'm sure there's opportunities,I'm sure that there's deals out
there, but just from a purevisibility perspective and me
and probably everyone who'slistening to this podcast, first
thing we do is we look upwhenever we walk into a room.
I don't see Arista man, Ihaven't seen Arista in a while,
anyway.
So congratulations to Todd.
You got your work cut out foryou, but I think in a good way.
That's pretty neat.

(26:23):
What else is happening?
Haps?
What's the HAPS?
Okay, haps, let me open up adeal here.
Who knows about HAPS?
H-a-p-s Ready Sharing my screen?
This from Light Reading, by theway, shameless plug.
Tomorrow, july 17th, I'm doinga webinar with Light Reading and

(26:44):
Eero talking about operatorresults from a-Fi 7, from a
Wi-Fi 7 survey.
So the survey went out to allthese different operators to
learn about how they'redeploying Wi-Fi 7, who's
adopting Wi-Fi 7, why they'readopting Wi-Fi 7, why they're
pushing Wi-Fi 7.
I'm going to be talking aboutthat tomorrow on a webinar with
Light Reading, so tune in, bethere or be L7.
Anyway, back to this.

(27:06):
This cambridge consultants istaking 5g to the stratosphere.
Look at this man.
Cap gemini subsidiary is in,involved in creating haps
technology.
Okay, haps ready.
High altitude where is it?
High altitude platform system.
So we've talked about leo.
We've talked about you've gotterrestrial microwave.
You've got, you know, privatete.

(27:26):
You've got 5G LTE all thisstuff down here.
You've got low-earth orbitingsatellites.
Then you have the geostationarysatellites.
You've got HAPS, which is alittle bit lower than that.
Haps is something where they'rebeaming 5G up right around.
Let's see what's the distance.
Let's see if it says in herelet's see what's the distance.
Let's see if it says in hereHAPS's designed altitude is

(27:49):
around 20 kilometers aboveground.
At lower altitudes, you canserve a greater number of users
with the same spectrum, sayssomeone who has the last name of
Brock.
Yeah, I'm a terrible reporter.
What are you going to do?
Anyway, there's this personwhose last name is Brock and I
can't find his first name Anyway, cambridge consultant CTO.

(28:10):
There you go.
Cambridge consultant CTO MartinBrock told Light Reading during
an interview a single platformover London could create a
virtual network of virtual cellsites, hundreds of them around
the ring of the M25.
And what they're talking aboutis that they put these cell
sites on some type of craft up20 kilometers above the ground

(28:31):
and they're beaming 5G down andone of the benefits of it
obviously is that it's lowerlatency and it's higher speeds
because it's not going all theway up to low Earth orbit and
then coming back.
So there's this talk about whatcan be done with it.
Recent examples of air and airaccess being affected by
emergency situations recentblackouts in the Iberian
Peninsula.
Dude, think about,unfortunately, what just

(28:53):
happened in Texas with thefloods Having friends who,
unfortunately, were eitheraffected by that or had other
family members or friendsaffected by that.
One of the biggest things thatthey talk about in Central Texas
was that there's just noconnectivity and it's not like
the flood knocked out theconnectivity.
There's no connectivity outthere.
To begin with, it's verydifficult to get a cell signal

(29:15):
in that area period and whenthere's emergency alert systems
and all this other stuff that'ssupposed to take place.
If your cell phone isn'tworking, it's just not working.
You're not going to receive amessage that you can't get
because you don't haveconnectivity.
And then, if a natural disasterhappens, like what happened
with the floods in Central Texasnow, you have all these first
responders and people trying tocommunicate.

(29:36):
You might have people who aresurvivors with their cell phones
trying to get online and youstill don't have connectivity.
It's crazy to think about.
In know, in our daily lives wecount on connectivity every
minute, every day, but when anatural disaster occurs, where's
that connectivity?
Where's that connectivity goingto come from?

(29:56):
Who's going to be providing itand how are they going to be
providing it?
And so, with HABs, one of thethings that they're talking
about is being able to temporarydeploy things like that, not
just to cover the areas thatneed it day to day, but cover it
when there's emergency responsethat needs to take place.
So this is talking about 5G onhigher frequency spectrum.

(30:17):
I don't see the spectrumcoverage specifically of what
they're talking about there, butit's this idea that SPL's
technology was trialed in 2023by BT.
It's this idea that you knowSPL's technology was trialed in
2023 by BT.
It's this idea that they'regoing to put this stuff up and
it's going to be another form ofcommunication for what's
already out there.
And then, on top of that, youknow, at the same time SoftBank

(30:39):
has decided to launch some otherservices in Japan, starting in
2026.
And so, if you see, there's thisreally cool little shuttle that
they put up there and thistalks about the future drone
communication, sky-basedmobility, forming part of
softbank's larger goal ofcreating 3d next gen network for
the 6g era.
So softbank is launching thisusing lighter than air vehicles,

(31:01):
the us-based aerospace companythat develops lighter than air
vehicles.
It's called sci s-c-e-y-e skysai man.
I can't pronounce things.
Yeah, I think we're just out ofpronounceable names at this
point, so people are just makingshit up.
Anyway.
Under this partnership,softbank gives exclusive rights
to the sky haps platform injapan.

(31:22):
The move is part of softbank'slong-term plan to build next
generation network.
But again, these are UAVs thatare flying up there and they're
beaming 5G and potentially 6Gonto the ground.
So if you want more informationabout that, rcr has got a
really good article coveringthat.
But what a cool time we live in,where we're not just talking
about terrestrial communicationsand low-earth orbiting

(31:43):
conversations or transmissions.
We're talking aboutconversations with things that
are kind of in the middle of it.
So there's always a solution tobe had for broadband.
Let's see.
We got comments from RobLooking forward to LR webinar.
Long live Wi-Fi.
7.
More satellite connectivity isneeded.
Satellite growth bead oh yeah,man, the bead stuff.

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Good, call out, ron.
You know the bead stuff, thefunding mechanisms that are out
there.
It's that.
I go back to the comments thatwe were making before, where
it's like the satellite guyswere trying to get in the room
when bead funding, you know,when broadband plans and
everything was first come out,all this broadband advocacy was
coming out.
Obama administration, bidenadministration oh, broadband, we
need broadband, we needbroadband 100 megabit, 100

(32:24):
megabit.
And the satellite guys like,hey, we want to play.
And everyone's like no, no, no,satellite guys, go away, you
can't do this, you can't handlethis.
And so they're like sittingoutside picture, like these
satellites sitting outside thedoor, all sad because they don't
have the capacity to do it.
And now we're at this spotwhere, for one reason or another
, not only have the satelliteguys been invited into the room,
but they've been given theprime spot in a lot of these

(32:45):
rooms.
I'm all for connectivity whereyou can get it, when you can get
it.
I think that part of closing thedigital divide is making sure
that everybody has access, andthere's the equity component of
it.
Where well is it worth givingsomeone access if they don't
have the same access as someoneelse?
Is it worth me shooting 25megabit per second across rural

(33:09):
america if everyone else has 100megabit?
You know it doesn't even meananything and that's not
equitable.
To do that, but me, I thinksomething is better than nothing
in to some extent.
Don't give them something thatdoesn't allow them to do
anything but dude, 25 meg versus100 meg.
Give them meg.
I mean, there's people starvingfor that type of internet

(33:31):
access right now.
All right, john Warren 101,great content.
Got to run for now.
We'll watch the next one.
Sure, cool, appreciate youlistening.
Thanks for the comments, man, Ineed the little horn that's on
here.
So, yeah, mean they've been.
They've been, uh, they've beenbrought in.
You know the bead funding,hopefully will, will go.
So I've come, I'm not gonnatalk about because we don't know

(33:53):
where it's gonna go.
Nobody knows where it's gonnago.
There's like one day it's on,the next day it's off, and then
each one of the states is saying, well, we're gonna move forward
with our stuff, and thenthey're like, well, never mind,
because we're not getting anyfunding.
I think we just need to do awhole session on BEAT and what's
going on with FCC, ron.
You and I should hash this oneout, man, because that's a crazy
one.
We should bring on someone fromShelby.
We should bring on someone totalk about some of the things

(34:15):
that are happening withbroadband equity.
It's such a great conversation,but it went from being such a
sure thing to just beingwhatever it is now.
And obviously the politicalenvironment in the United States
isn't lending itself tonormalcy at the moment.
Like every day, somethingdifferent is happening,

(34:36):
something here and somethingthere.
So I don't even know if it'sworth a conversation at this
point.
It's one thing to talk about it, and then tomorrow, lord only
knows what's going to change,what's going to happen.
But maybe a current state ofaffair of Bede is long overdue.
I'm sure someone's talkingabout it.
Maybe reach out to them andbring them on.
So yeah, I think you know.
Direct satellite is rising.

(34:57):
God bless Texas Hill Country.
Yeah, man, I can't even imaginemy kids go to summer camp in
the Texas Hill Country, furtheraway from what's happening that
was on the Guadalupe.
My kids further further awayfrom what's happening that was
on the guadalupe.
They, my kids, are up over atinks lake and I saw a video of
the dam today at inks lake, lake, buchanan.
They just the buchanan dam.
They just opened it up to floodout inks lake because all the
rainfall they're, so it's.
It's such a tough time fornatural disasters.

(35:19):
I mean, that being said, let'stalk about that.
Oh my gosh, let's talk aboutthat real quick natural
disasters.
I have always tried to makemyself available along the Texas
Gulf Coast when somethinghappens with hurricanes in this
area, because I've grown up here, I know what happens, I know
what to expect from storms.
I'm a ham operator, I'mregistered with ITDRC, I'm

(35:40):
registered with my ARL group.
If something happens and I'mhere and I can help, I will, and
there's so many great servicesout there.
I have recently had theopportunity to contribute to the
AWS Natural Disaster Responseand Disaster Recovery Program.
If you don't know anythingabout that and you're an Amazon
customer, look up AWS DisasterResponse.

(36:01):
It's such a cool program thatthey have Cisco.
Cisco has their disasterresponse thing and it's awesome.
I mean their cars and theirtrucks and everything are
awesome.
It seems like there's a lot ofgood corporations doing disaster
response and taking that on,one of the best ones and I got

(36:22):
to say it, man one of the bestones I've ever seen HEB.
Dude, if you're in the state ofTexas, you are blessed to have
HEB here at home, and what theydo when there's a disaster and
the way that they mobilize isincredible.
So if you want to see something, if you want to see people
getting together and helping inour communities in Texas, go

(36:43):
look at what HEB has done, lookat what AWS has done, look at
what Cisco does, look at whatITDRC does.
We are at this time, we're aboutto jump into hurricane season
down here in the South.
Whole bunch of storms areexpected and you've heard me
advocate for doing things inyour local community.
Let this be a call to attentionfor you.
If you're in wireless, ifyou're in technology, if you

(37:05):
have the ability to contributeand a natural disaster hits your
area, do not hesitate and donot hesitate to reach out to
people in your network.
You'll find that there's lotsof people that'll help you If
you need to set up microwavelinks, if you need to supply
Wi-Fi, if you need to get peopleonline.
Sometimes communication can bethe difference between life or
death for everybody, from kidsall the way up to adults and

(37:27):
senior citizens, for everybody,from kids all the way up to
adults and senior citizens.
We have the knowledge to dothis stuff.
It comes so easy to us that weshould really be using this in
every chance that we get.
So please let this be a call toattention or a call to action.
If something comes up thishurricane season and God I hope
it doesn't, but if it doesplease reach out to me if you
need help, if you need someoneto help contribute time or

(37:50):
equipment or resources, eitherthrough me or through Eero, or
through Amazon or through Wi-FiStand or through Frontera,
whatever it is please let meknow how I can help.
We've got the capability to dothis.
I think that we should allreally do that.
So just a quick blurb on that.
Might as well talk about that.
Anyway, on a different note,hopefully it's a good, safe

(38:14):
season.
On a different note, there wassomething that just popped up
and it got my attention becauseI hadn't thought about this.
Fierce Wireless ran an articleJune 24th, called Influencer-Led
MVNOs, are Having a Moment andhere's what could be next.
I had not thought aboutInfluencer-Led MVNOs.
Mvnos are mobile virtualnetwork operators.

(38:34):
So if you have T-Mobile, at&tand Verizon right the three big
MNOs mobile network operatorsthat are out there you can form
an MVNO, a mobile virtualnetwork operator, and you can go
in and say hey, I want to sellmy service on your network and
just utilize your network andI'm going to pay you bulk fees
for doing this.
It's what Comcast does withXfinity.

(38:55):
It's what all the major cablecompanies do this.
It's what Boost Mobile does.
It's what Cricut does.
It's what Ryan what's his name?
Does.
Celebrities do it.
I remember back in the day at anold CTIA, there were
announcements talking about this, about celebrities doing it,
and it never really took off.

(39:15):
But now what you're seeing isthere's been a couple of them
that have popped up, and this isnot a political conversation.
I'm using this as an examplebecause I'm staring at it right
now Trump Mobile so you havesomeone who has some amount of
influence who launches their ownphone and who launches their
own MVNO.

(39:36):
The pricing is kind of funny$47.45, because he's the 47th
and 45th president.
So $47.45 a month.
Rockstar Wireless, millwallWireless, smartless Mobile.
These are people that arelooking at offering MVNO
services and imagine things likeEilish Mobile for Billie Eilish

(39:58):
.
This is saying offering earlytour ticket access and
zero-rated Apple Music.
Or Dude Perfect Wireless givingfans free monthly data top-ups
for trickshot uploads.
Perfect wireless giving fansfree monthly data top-ups for
trickshot uploads.
I had not stopped to considerwhat celebrity MVNOs could do
and the way that they could playinto that.
You know, specifically the onethat got my attention was, you

(40:20):
know, eilish Mobile, for example.
You know, imagine tying sometype of subscription or some
type of feature like you knowNike Wireless or Adidas Wireless
and you get to know where allthe sneaker drops are happening.
You know, imagine a wirelessnerd wireless where you get I
don't know advertising, freewaves, podcasts.

(40:41):
I don't know it's a, you knowit's a joke, I'm not going to do
it.
But you know there's a lot ofstuff that's out there that can
take advantage of this andseeing how these M&Os have
saturated the marketplace from acoverage perspective coverage
there's lots and lots ofcoverage.
It'll be interesting to see howthis and if this continues to

(41:01):
progress.
So why celebrities in thecrowded market?
Because culture now conquerscommodity.
This is a fascinating article tome where it says, whether it's
telehealth from Trump, mobilecontent from SmartLess or
exclusives from RockstarBuilding Services, transforms a
$40 phone bill into across-selling ecosystem.
Yeah, it's phenomenal to thinkabout.

(41:21):
What would be something thatyou're interested in, I wonder.
I wonder, like if I couldsubscribe to a wireless carrier
that offered me it'd probably beconcert tickets, man, it'd
probably be like Live Nationmobile, so I could get discounts
on tickets to sporting eventsand the concerts are exclusive.
This is just like, you know,having the Amex like.

(41:42):
Oh my God, imagine AmericanExpress mobile, where you get
free access to the Centurionlounge or you know, or you get
to call in, have their, uh,their concierge service.
It's, it's interesting thatwe're in this this day and age,
to that this is actually a thing.
So is it going to take off?
I don't know.
Uh, it's not just a headlinegrabbing gimmick.
Thanks to cloud, native cores,esim and wholesale 5g, the

(42:04):
infrastructure now supports real, repeatable economics.
Whether it's trump voters,podcasts, super fans or k-pop
stands, these micro segmentsbring a new level of loyalty and
stickiness.
So I thought I saw that I waslike man, that's kind of that's
kind of interesting.
I had not thought aboutinfluencer led mvno, so I
thought I would share that withyou.
Um, what else do I have on here?

(42:26):
Ios 26 and iPad OS 26 add asmall yet useful Wi-Fi feature
to iPhones and iPads, and I sawthis and I read it, and I saw
that another friend of mine, mrParsons, posted this exact same
link, I think.
Right after I read it I waslike, ah, sweet, glad to know
that we read the same stuff.
You can tell we're old schoolbecause we still read Mac rumors
.
Sign in details for captiveportal.

(42:50):
Wi-fi networks are now syncedacross iPhones and iPads running
iOS 26.
For example, while this personwas staying at a Hilton hotel,
his iPhone prompted him to fillin Wi-Fi details from his iPad
that was already connected tothe hotel's network.
A captive portal is blah, blah,blah, so he showed it off,
where it allows you to tap abutton and paste the same

(43:10):
details, uh, synchronized frommultiple devices, so that you
don't have to remember what yourroom number is in the middle of
a stay.
Simple, yet awesome.
So there you go.
I saw that.
I thought that that was.
That was pretty interesting too.
Um, edge core is working withMorse micro.
I, I saw this.
Um, oh, this is um.

(43:31):
Okay, man, this is telecompaper, which is a site that
always has really great stuffand I don't subscribe to because
it's 40 bucks a month, man, andlike that's, that's a lot of
money.
Uh, so sorry, I'm like I guessI don't get to go with that
article.
Let's see.
Oh, I've got a LinkedIn versionof it here too.
Let's see if I can open thatone up and see what happens as I

(43:51):
fire off my LinkedIn Ready.
Yes, michael DeNeal reportsright here, driving the future
of IoT with long range power andagility.
We're excited to announce adeeper partnership with Morse
Micro adopting their cuttingedge MM8101 Wi-Fi Halo system on
a chip at the heart of edgecore, wi-fi's next generation
low power, long-range iotsolutions with sub-gig

(44:12):
performance, ultra low power andwpa3.
The mm8108 is the ideal matchfor evolving halo product line.
So morse micro, along with edgecore, is is uh is supporting
wi-fi halo.
Then there was other wi-fi halonews since I talked about that.
Matter prepares for iot deviceexplosion and ai at the edge

(44:35):
with the first wi-fi halocertification by morse micro.
Look at this.
Klaus has an article posted upmatter prepares for iot device
explosion.
Klaus is talking about thismorse micro.
What a fun, what fun company,what a fun group of products.
The Matter Standard for IoT waslaunched in 2022.
1,300 devices have beencertified by the Connectivity

(44:55):
Standards Alliance.
The first Wi-Fi Halo device,the MM6108EKHO5 Lite by Morse
Micro, was certified last month.
While Wi-Fi Halo is notformally part of the Matter
Standard, the platform has beencertified as a Matter-certified
reference design product, whichmeans developers can now
experiment and createMatter-compatible client devices

(45:17):
or access points, takingadvantage of Wi-Fi Halo's range
and connectivity data rates.
That's awesome.
Halo for Matter so cool, solots of really good things
happening in that little IoTspace, and I couldn't be happier
.
Those are.
I didn't get to talk to thoseguys.
They're down in Australia too.
If you ever see them in a tradeshow, the guys from Morse Micro

(45:38):
will give you a Foster's beer,which is pretty funny.
So what else we got going on?
Montana can no longer lendhotspots out.
That falls under theconversation that Ron and I need
to have about about bead andabout hotspots.
We talked about this for awhile with what's going on with
old Ted Cruz and what he did inthe you know by by blocking

(46:00):
people's access to lend outhotspots.
This one was tough because itsays you know, starting starting
this Tuesday, montana librarieshave lost the ability to
provide um hot spots, so thefunding is dried up for that.
The change comes as a result offederal funding losses that
previously supported the montanastate library's hot spot
lending program.
I wonder what the scale of thatis.

(46:20):
I think I flagged that becauseit's like I think about rural
montana and how many people areusing those hot spots.
I I wonder how many people wereaffected by that deal.
Either way, it's a bummer.
Okay, this is cool.
You ready for this one?
I didn't see this widelybroadcast on my network, and
that's okay, because this iswhat you listen to waves for,

(46:43):
bro, check it out.
Xfinity, comcast, xfinity ourgood friends over in Philly.
Philly, xfinity just addedwi-fi powered motion tracking to
its routers.
What, yeah, man, your xfinitygateway now works as a motion
sensor.
But should you enable thisfeature, dude?
If I had it, I would totallyenable it xfinity's routers and

(47:04):
have reported gone, uh, gonefrom motion tracking is reported
by CyberNews, a company thatnotified customers with an
upgrade called Wi-Fi Motion allyear.
The feature allows users toupgrade or to use a compatible
lease gateway and otherconnected devices to monitor
movement within their homes atno extra cost.
Wi-fi devices can even detectsmall movements such as a hand
wave.
Expanded users set up the Wi-FiMotion feature using other

(47:26):
devices when they're in theirhome will receive alerts if the
devices sense movement.
So you get motion detectionfrom reflected waves on Wi-Fi
and it'll tell you if there'ssomething going on.
Look, there's even a littlevideo.
Look at this.
It shows that you get anotification.
Hey, we noticed something wasin your house.
Hey, you're not home and wenoticed motion in your house.

(47:48):
Hey, we noticed something wasin your house.
Hey, you're not home and wenoticed motion in your house.
I wonder if it can detect anddifferentiate between gatos and
dogs or humans.
Is it like cat walking through?
Is there a raccoon that'swalking through your house?
I don't know, but this is astep in a crazy direction.
We've heard about wi-fi sensingand wi-fi motion sensing before
at wba and at wi-fi.

(48:09):
Now we've heard people talkabout it.
We and Wi-Fi motion sensingbefore at WBA and at Wi-Fi.
Now We've heard people talkabout it.
We've seen demonstrations of it, but now being deployed on
Xfinity's routers.
It utilizes the same chipset.
From what I understand, itdoesn't impact performance of
the overall Wi-Fi communicationscomponents just using the
reflected waves.
It probably obviously puts astrain on the processor and
memory that's in there.

(48:29):
But, um, but that's fascinating.
I thought that that was prettyinteresting.
Man wi-fi motion.
So once again, another use forwi-fi.
Speaking of another uses forwi-fi, and philadelphia got to
give a shout out to thisorganization.
Um, this organization ispulling kensington community
scare by spreading wi-fi onoutdoor rooftops.

(48:51):
Philly community wireless istying together different places
in its community.
I haven't heard a project likethis in so long that I had to
give it some love.
What they're doing is they'rethey're volunteering and they're
going out and they'reinstalling equipment so that
everyone in their community canhave access to free wi-Fi.
Part of their process, you know, the success, depends on the

(49:11):
properties around the publicspaces.
So they've got to figure outwhere to go and who to work with
and once they get it set up,then different people can
provide injection points intothe network using their
broadband services.
And there's, you know, picturesIf you're looking at the
webcast here you can of the ofthe little equipment boxes that
they put in place.
But kudos to these guys forgoing out there and doing it and

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providing wi-fi in a way.
I mean, this is how maraquithis is like, literally how
maraqui started was just likethis was mit roof now trying to
figure out how to connectapartment buildings together.
This is how it started.
So to know that in 2025 westill have people people out
there deploying rooftop Wi-Fi atPhilly Community Wireless Very,

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very cool.
So congratulations to them forgetting some press.
Glad to hear that people arestill taking the initiative to
try and figure out creative waysto get stuff online.
Starlink, speaking of gettingonline, starlink is on a
thousand planes already Athousand.
They crossed a thousand planemarks so you can get starlink on
your flights.
That's nuts, because the flightthat I had from from texas to

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california and then to australia, I had, I had pretty decent
wi-fi.
There are times they cut out onthe way over there.
Coming back it was much worsemaybe older equipment or
whatever it is but one of thepeople I work with who was
flying didn't have any internetaccess all the way from
Melbourne back into the States.
And wow, I mean, when's thelast time you were on a plane

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that didn't have Wi-Fi?
And I guess you would expectthat on a 16-hour flight you've
got access to Wi-Fi but didn'thave it.
So Starlink doing that, settingthe standard up there.
You know, as we move into moreproviders being in that space
haha, that space, he says moreis more providers in space.
Um, expect those, expect those,um, those numbers to go up.

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Expect people have better wi-fiaccess.
Ah, can I get a morse microhalo driver and wlan pi yet?
Whoa, I don't know.
Man, let's see if they show upto uh, to wlpc and see if we can
get one of those hacked hackedtogether.
Anyway, wlpc this year, just asa teaser.
Again, we're going to have alot of fun.
We're going to have a lot offun.
We're going to be testing outsome really neat stuff.
The team from aletheia has hasuh said that they're going to

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bring some equipment along withthem and really we're going to
have a really good time testingout some access points and some
capabilities and and having somevendors put their money where
their mouth is and seeing whathappens in real world
environment.
So looking forward to wlpc, asusual.
Okay, I need some water.
I talked a little bit too longabout some stuff, but it's been
a minute so I'd want to makesure that I catch up with

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everybody.
I hope to see you at some ofthe shows I'm going to be at.
As I I mentioned, this weekendI'll be in Houston at TRA Texas
Restaurant Association.
Please give me a shout out ifyou're in the Houston area.
You want to come and say hi,grab a coffee and talk wireless.
And then Southern Californiafor the next two weeks, down in
Huntington Beach.
If you're around and you wantto see what we're doing and you
want to see some Aero deployedoutside, please give me a shout
out to come by then.
And then I've got a coupletrips after that, but reinvent's

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coming up and meter up iscoming up and wopc is coming up.
But until then, I hope to seeall of y'all soon.
I feel like, you know, a lot ofmy friends are listening, which
is great.
It's something I love aboutthis industry and, on you know,
on that note, I do want to justbring eva back up just for one
second again, because you know,I know it's really difficult to
make a transition from one jobto another, especially when you

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get into a job that you've beentrying to get into for a while
or that you feel passionateabout, or that it's something
that is a mark on your resume ofsomething that you never
thought that you would be ableto do, and I know that feeling.
I was just talking to my wifeabout this last night.
I remember sitting therewatching the phone, waiting for

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a job offer to come through,like, wow, I can't believe I
applied to that company and Ican't believe I went through the
interview process and I can'tbelieve they're actually going
to hire me and you get to thatpoint and then you're in the job
and you're sitting in it andyou're loving it and then all of
a sudden, for whatever reason,you transition to something else
and a new opportunity opens.
Take a second to stop and go.
God, I can't believe that Imade it here and I'm so grateful

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for being in this position thatI can accept another position
somewhere else.
And one of the things that Evabrought up was how difficult it
was to make that decision, and Iknow that.
I remember when I left onecompany for another.
I remember generally feelinggutted Like I love these people,
I love the company that I workwith, I love the people that I
work with.
I just don't see myself risingabove a certain level.

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So I need to make a move toincrease what I'm doing, or make
more money or more benefits ordo more things or whatever.
The reason is that you changejobs.
And I feel like we are in a veryunique industry in the wireless
space where it's nevernecessarily about the company
that you work for.
It's about the person that youare and it's about who you are

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and what you contribute and howyou contribute.
Because when you get into aroom filled with people that
work with every other vendor,chances are two years later a
lot of them are going to beswapped, they're going to be
working for other vendors, butthey're still the same people
and they still maintain who theyare and what they do.
And, yeah, they may move to acompany because they're excited
about the product or the projectthat's going on at the time.

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And maybe that doesn't pan outand they move over to somewhere
else and they're excited aboutthe project that they're doing
there.
It doesn't mean they don't likethe other one or that the other
one sucks People.
Don't leave.
You don't leave and go.
Yeah, I didn't leave a companyand go.
Oh man, their products areterrible.
Dude, you worked there Like youloved working there.
Don't turn around and saythey're terrible.
Maybe they're not as innovatingas fast as they used to, or

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maybe you know things havechanged, but at one time you
were dying to get into thatposition.
Don't turn around and act likeyou didn't love it.
And so I loved Eva's mention ofwhat she did, because it was
really neat to see that she's afriend, she's a person, she's a
human and it doesn't matterwhere she works.
She's a fun person, she's greatto hang out with and she puts

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good content out and she trulyenjoys helping people.
And I don't ever want ourcommunity to lose that, and
that's why I always like to talkabout it, because I think it's
important to realize that thepeople that you work with, if
they're good people, you'regoing to see them in other jobs,
maybe today, maybe tomorrow,maybe five years down the road,
and it's such a cool thing to beable to support people and be

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supportive of their successes,and I think that sometimes that
gets lost.
I was listening to a story lastnight about a friend who
eclipsed one of his best friendsand was able to move forward
where this person thought hecould and he couldn't, but his
buddy did and it broke theirrelationship, it broke their
friendship, and I was like man.
How fragile is that friendshipthat that can break it.
But then it made me think thatprobably happens a lot more than

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I think.
So if someone that you know islooking for a position and
they're trying to move, orthey're trying to make an upward
move or even a lateral move,just remember that it's about
the people and regardless ofwhat hat we're wearing today or
what shirt we're wearing today,that can change today, it can
change tomorrow, but what reallymakes a difference is the
people and the personalitiesbehind it.
So, eva, congratulations to you.
You're a wonderful person.

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I love hanging out with you.
I'm so stoked for you on thisjourney, and I know that it
doesn't mean that the companythat you're coming from was bad.
I know that it means you'rejust looking for something in
your next chapter of your life.
So kudos to you, and I hopepeople can remember that when
people make moves from job tojob.
Anyway, I don't know why I feltlike I needed to go on that
rant, but that's the rant that Ijust went on.
I hope you all have.