June 25, 2025 • 47 mins
The future of networking isn't about whether AI will transform our industry—it's about how quickly professionals will adapt to these inevitable changes. In this candid discussion, Drew Lentz unpacks the major developments from recent industry events, particularly Cisco Live, where AI dominated conversations across the vendor landscape.
AI Canvas, Cisco's entry into agentic AI, signals a pivotal shift in how networks will be managed going forward. But rather than viewing these advancements as threats to job security, Drew frames them as powerful amplifiers of human capability. As he reflects on Andy Jassy's comments about AI adaptation, the message becomes clear: those who embrace AI as a collaborative tool will thrive, while those who resist may find themselves left behind on the platform as the train departs.
The podcast showcases remarkable innovations happening throughout the wireless ecosystem. Hamina's newly released AI features can automatically generate walls from Google Images floor plans, saving engineers countless hours of manual work. The strengthening partnerships between vendors like NetAlly, Ekahau, and Sidos demonstrate how collaboration is accelerating tool capabilities beyond what any single company could achieve.
Drew also shares a thought-provoking analogy comparing private 5G to cell phone holsters—technically perfect solutions that somehow missed the mark on mass adoption. This refreshing perspective challenges us to look beyond technical specifications to consider real-world implementation challenges.
Looking ahead, Drew reveals his plans to use Alethea testing equipment to benchmark access point performance under heavy client loads, offering to test specific APs the community is curious about. This hands-on approach reflects his commitment to bringing practical insights that go beyond marketing claims.
Connect with Drew to share your thoughts on which wireless technologies deserve deeper testing, or join the conversation about how AI is reshaping your day-to-day networking experience. The industry is evolving rapidly—are you evolving with it?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, let's just go ahead and punch that stream
button and see what happens.
I think I might be coming in alittle bit hot here.
Let's see if we can turn thisdown.
Check, check one, two, whoa oh,it's coming in over there.
So, oh boy, let's see if we canswitch this microphone.
(00:25):
Wow, well, that's the only wayto do it.
Let's make this microphone workand that'll be a little bit
more fun.
I don't even remember how thisthing is all connected.
You know, you go to town forone minute and the next thing,
you know, your mics are allmessed up.
All right, I'm going todeactivate this.
(00:47):
It's doing it live.
You know, like we normally do,do, do, do, do, do.
This thing should be working,but of course it's not.
Whoa, cool, ah, well, you canhear me on this camera, which is
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kind of weird, but not tooweird.
Good morning, good afternoon,super hot.
Hmm, there we go.
Check that box, turn this thingup.
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There we go.
That sounds a little bit better.
Let's go ahead and mute thatother one so I don't come in too
hot.
Oh, what's up everybody, how'sit going?
Know, I figured I would just golive instead of making an
announcement or whatever.
It's five o'clock, it's June 20something, june 25th.
Hope everybody's having awonderful day.
(01:57):
It has been a crazy last coupleof weeks.
Let me tell you.
It's been really hectic.
Lots of travel, lots of backand forth trying to figure out
where I've been, where I'm goingand what's happening.
I've had the opportunity tosupport some really, really
great stuff, which has beenreally cool.
Um, but now I'm finally backsitting in my office ready to
rock and roll.
(02:18):
Yeah, buddy, you know I alwaysgot to check this real quick and
make sure that I can, uh, waitand see what's going on.
Let's see if we're live.
We're live, we are alive.
Look at that sweet.
That one says event ended.
Oh, there we go.
This one says we're live.
Cool, I am live.
(02:39):
Well, howdy, you know, I got alot going on and instead of just
opening everything up, I justfigured I would jump on and
start riffing a little bit andsee if there was anyone out
there who wanted to have aconversation.
I'm pretty sure Mark Houts isgoing to be joining anytime to
give us a hard time.
But either way, what's upeverybody.
I'm Drew Lentz, I'm theWireless Nerd and this is the
Waves Podcast.
It's June 25th, june 25th and,like I said, it's been a crazy
(03:06):
couple of weeks and I hope thateveryone's settling back down.
Cisco Live just happened acouple of weeks back and you
know there was Cisco Live andthere was some time that we had
at home and HP Discover is goingon right now, so that's
happening.
I heard Antonio make mention ofthe acquisition.
I was wondering if this wasbuzzword bingo.
I was wondering if we weregoing to hear him mention
juniper in the keynote addressat uh, hp discover, and he did.
(03:28):
He said you know, uh, with thefuture of ai and what they're
doing.
He he did bring up the name,but you know he didn't give any
detail, which doesn't leaveanybody better off than where we
were before with regards toinformation.
But that's okay because, youknow, maybe, maybe that's just
the way it's supposed to be.
Let's see.
Whoa looks like.
My restream says I'm unstable.
(03:51):
That's kind of cool.
It knows me better than I knowmyself, apparently.
Anyway, all right, let's see.
So I'm going to open up my shownotes here and we're going to
see what's going on.
Let me pop open a new tab.
Um, I'm curious what everybody'sbeen up to.
Summertime is a little bitdifferent.
You know, there's alwayssomething going on and I know
kids are out of school, whichmakes it that much more exciting
(04:14):
, you know, as if we didn't haveenough time when the kids were
in school.
Not, the kids are out.
It's finding stuff for them todo and figure out what to do
with ourselves during that time.
So I fully anticipate anyminute now one of the little
ones is going to walk in and say, dad, I need to go to Target or
something similar.
I've already had that happenonce today.
So let's go ahead and close outsome of these windows and I
(04:34):
will open up the topics of theday.
You know, but sometimes I liketo just think about what's
happening in the industryoverall, without looking at the
topics, just following the newsday to day.
There's a lot happeningpolitically that I think has
dominated some of the newscycles, and that's okay.
But from a tech perspective, ifI think about highlights that
(04:57):
have happened in the last coupleof weeks Cisco Live, right.
So Cisco Live happened andthere were some announcements
with Cisco Live and them talkingabout hey, gibby, how's it
going About Cisco introducingCanvas, ai, ai Canvas and what
that means to agentic AI andoperations and AI operations
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overall, with how they'rerunning and managing their
networks, with how they'rerunning and managing their
networks and it's, it's cool.
I mean it's one of those things.
We saw it coming.
But then watching the internettalk about that a little bit
afterwards and seeing posts likethe one from Eva that she put
up on LinkedIn about the theCisco is Asian of Meraki and how
(05:40):
it's slowly fit, how the greenis slowly fading away and now
how you know slowly, how thegreen is slowly fading away and
now how you know it makes mewonder is the same thing
happening from an operation side?
Or the CCIE is slowly fadinginto the background?
I don't know.
You know Cisco's always beenbig on education and this isn't
something that they discussed,but it's something that is an
elephant in the room when youstart to talk about it and
(06:01):
regardless of how many peoplesit there and say no, no, no, ai
is not going to take your job.
When you look at in, you know,announcements like like andy
jassy from amazon, causing aruckus with what he said.
You know in full disclosure.
If you don't know, I do workfor an amazon company and this
opinion is my own opinion, sowhatever, but I actually like
(06:21):
what andy said.
I think that it's.
You know, he basically saidthat AI is coming in and it is
doing a lot of the work and it'shelping us strive to be better.
This obviously not directquotes, but there are some
quotes that he put out therethat I think are really
important, and one of those isbasically, you know, to
paraphrase, it's learn how touse AI, and the people that
learn how to use AI and learnhow to do that correctly are
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going to be the people thatthey're going to contribute in
the future, moving forward, andit's not about saying we're
never going to adopt it or adaptto it.
I think the whole premiseoverall is you know AI is coming
and there is something that'sgoing on with it, and if you're
not using it on a day-to-daybasis, if you're not figuring
out how to integrate it intoyour workflows, then you're like
(07:03):
you're missing.
The people are telling you thetrain is coming and you're on
the loading platform waiting toget on the train.
It's only a matter of timebefore that train is gone.
You know what I mean.
And people I feel like you'regiving lots of heads up and
they're being real careful notto, you know, piss off the the
way that it that it goestypically.
But when you walk around Ciscolive and you see everyone
(07:25):
talking about AI and agentic, aiand agentic, agentic, agentic
what a word Um and all thethings that that's happening in
that space, you're a fool tothink that this isn't going to
replace your workflows, right?
Like?
Not maybe not your job, butdefinitely some of the stuff
that you do on a day-to-daybasis.
If you're not thinking aboutthat that maybe there's, maybe
(07:45):
you're in the wrong industry.
But when you look at whatthey're doing and right on the
heels of them announcing thatmeter announces 170 million
dollar raise on their you knowseries c, it's like if the
writing isn't on the wallalready about what ai is doing,
the networking maybe you need tolook at the wall, or maybe you
need to look at a wall.
Maybe you need to look at adifferent wall, because you're
(08:07):
not looking at the wall that alot of other people are looking
at.
And I think Keith Parsons saidit best.
I love Keith and Keith, ifyou're listening, hi but he said
it best where we talked abouthow this is like having that
mentor standing over yourshoulder as you're writing, as
(08:27):
you're typing in code or asyou're working on a CLI, having
someone that you can just askquestions to, like, hey, what's
the command for you know BGPneighbor, you know, show BGP
neighbors, you know.
Or what's the command for routetables?
Or what's the command to youknow, show your you know ARP
table, you know?
Instead of you having toremember it, you have someone
that's always there to help you.
(08:48):
And taking that a step forwardwith AI, where it's going to be
able to do a lot of that for youand focus on you being able to
do what you're good at.
That's the buzz.
That's the buzz.
It's not.
Is AI the big, powerful thingthat's gonna take over the world
?
It's not that it's.
How is AI going to help you dowhat you're already good at?
And if you're already good atit, how can it make you that
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much better?
And if you're that much betterat it, how can you spend your
time doing more incrediblethings to turn this into an
amplifier or a superpower?
And so, for the people that arescared that this is going to
take their job, if you're scaredthat AI is going to take your
job, you should be scaredbecause you're not in the right
mindset.
Your mindset needs to shiftinto a place where people look
at this and go.
(09:30):
How can I leverage this?
That's just my opinion.
So I told you one of my kids wasgoing to come in live on my
podcast right now.
My daughter's walking in.
Oh, that's great.
Say hi, say, happy summer,happy summer, that's great.
Hold on.
Here's what I said earlier.
What do you want, young lady?
(09:51):
Tell me?
Tell me, say it loud enough.
This is great.
Is it time for dinner?
Yet is it time for dinner?
I thought we were going to goto target.
That's what I thought it was.
Oh yeah, and target yeah.
Okay, bye, it's my daughter.
I figured that was going tohappen.
Welcome to summer, everybody.
Anyway, is it time for dinner?
Yet in a little bit, honey.
So can't make that up.
Drew, ai is going to take myjob.
(10:13):
Ai is not going to replace wi-Fipeople.
Ai is going to replace theWi-Fi people that don't know how
to use it.
That's what Frenet says.
Frenet, I think you're spot on.
Man, there's so much more thatit can do.
Man and vibe coding.
I'm such a huge fan of vibecoding.
I love what it does.
I love the superpower that itgives me to wake up of the night
with an idea for an app or aprogram or a way to leverage
(10:35):
APIs and I can sit down and justtell Claude AI hey, do this for
me, or I can go and chat GPTand say, do this, or I can use
any of the billions of toolsthat are now becoming available
to help leverage that.
It's such a cool time that welive in and, from a network
management perspective, beingable to grab all of the data
that's out there and this is thewhole agentic AI thing, right,
(10:57):
being able to grab all the dataabout what's happening on a
network, what's happening withWi-Fi packets, what's happening
with spectral analysis, crunchall of that together in ways
that we haven't even thought ofyet to present solutions to us,
so that, instead of ourdashboard telling us that
something is wrong, ourdashboard is telling us here's
the action to take to fix it orjust automate that.
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That's the whole agenticprocess.
I think that that's really greatand I'm glad to see Cisco
getting on that page.
I guess, because so many peopleuse it, it feels like they're a
little late to the race, youknow, and that's okay.
You know, I think there'scompanies out there that have
that have been leaders for along time and that stagnation
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that's happening with theJuniper HPE thing.
Man, like that sucks for bothcompanies, right, they're just
sitting there and it's likewho's going to move forward?
Is it going to be these guys?
These guys, like what's goingto happen?
That's just such a bummer manfor anyone that that is a
customer of HP or Juniper miss.
It's like their heels arecooling a little bit and and I
wish that would just hurry up,like just just hurry up and get
(12:02):
going.
I know I'm not the only one whofeels that way.
Um, I got to go to the Juniperday, um, the, the AI awesome day
, whatever it was, where theyhad the dude.
Listen, let me.
Let me give this shout outthere.
So cisco live was happening insan diego and what a great time,
and I'm so glad it was in sandiego, love san diego.
I got to spend time at theworld surfing league event,
(12:24):
supporting the surfers at wsl,providing the era wi-fi all
along the beach there, attrestles it was.
It was incredible, um, and thenI got to go down to cisco live
right afterwards and and seewhat was happening, you know,
with the whole ecosystem ofCisco, and then, of course, like
Juniper does, and God, I loveit, man.
I knew the second.
I landed at the airport in SanDiego.
(12:44):
I was wondering, as soon as Iland, am I going to see Juniper
advertisements all over baggageclaim, like they do in Vegas?
And sure as shit, man, therethey, there.
They were big old greenadvertisements and billboards
for everything Juniper you couldpossibly imagine.
And I was already registered.
Of course I'm gonna stop bylots of friends there to go say
hi to.
I cruised over, jumped in theUber, cruised over to go listen
(13:05):
to what they were saying andthey had such a cool story.
Now there was one guy that I waslistening to who was like a
little bit too on the salesyside.
Don't remember his name, um,but it was a little.
It was like, not concerning,but just like man, that guy's,
he's been drinking a lot of tonyrobbins apple juice.
Man, he was really pushingstrong on the.
The world's gonna end if you'renot ai, you know driven.
(13:27):
And I was like, oh, chill, man,like hold on, just like, give
us a break, let's understandwhat you're talking about.
He was was nuts, but nothing.
Nothing compared to the swagjuniper at that surfboard
cookies dude they had.
I'm not even lying, they hadsome of the best chocolate chip
cookies I've ever had in my lifeand and I know that you know
it's a tech conference orwhatever and that's not the
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highlight but if you were thereand you had one of those
chocolate chip cookies, dude,they were legit.
I don't know where they gotthem, but they were legit.
I don't know where they gotthem, but they were so good.
So kudos to the catering.
Um, they had beach towels, theyhad crazy little hats, they had
breath mints, they had all thethe ai stuff and it was
happening right up the streetfrom live and it was, you know,
great to see so many peoplesupporting it.
Um, albeit a little bit of asmaller space than they usually
(14:08):
do in in vegas, but still therewas a good vibe there with what
was happening and you know theygot to tell their story and
kudos to them for doing that thesame time as live.
It's always, it's always a lotof fun, okay, kibikaro says I
totally agree on your aistatement.
Until something comes up anduntil we think we need, until we
need to think outside of thebox.
You know, that's one of thecoolest things I think about ai
(14:28):
is you can feed it informationand tell it, ask it what you're
not seeing.
I've done that with sitesurveys so many times, you know.
I'm not ashamed of it, I loveit.
I think these tools are great.
I love taking site surveyinformation or taking a method
of procedure that I have andloading it in there and saying,
hey, this is how I do a sitesurvey, here's what I'm looking
for.
What did I miss?
Like, just ask if you want tostart with some basic stuff,
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just ask AI what you missed.
Tell it hey.
Tell it hey.
Consider best practices forhotel Wi-Fi or restaurant Wi-Fi
or whatever it is and send thatin and say give me what I'm
missing and then point it.
Point it to YouTube to go lookat sessions from WLPC or
Mobility Field Day.
Point it to go research andfind out information and learn
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from the best.
Leverage Brene and Mark andeveryone who's doing this and
leverage their knowledge fromstuff that they've already
talked about.
Um, I saw you hanging out on thebalcony of the juniper event as
I drove past my uber head.
I know, dude, I didn't even getto see you for like a hot
minute.
I was there anyway.
So cisco live happened.
Uh, introduction of the newaccess point.
(15:30):
Those, those matt swartz.
I was hoping to run into mattwhen I was there.
I didn't see matt.
But you know their new accesspoints that they that they
cranked out for event and for,uh, large public venues.
Those are great access points.
Got to see the, the, the teamfrom curb, which I don't think
they're calling it ultrareliable broadband anymore I
don't know what they're callingit but um, but got to see those
guys out there.
Igor and the team from curve isreally cool.
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They put on, you know,obviously, a great concert.
The Killers were incredible.
One of the things I thought wasreally great and it was bad but
great is someone was having amedical emergency in the crowd
at Cisco Live in the middle ofthe Killers set and Brandon
Flowers, lead singer of theKillers, stopped and he said
they need help, they needattention, they need help, and
he pointed and the crowd partedand they got paramedics in there
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and they had everything doneand he just stopped.
He didn't say a word, he backedaway from the microphone, he
just stopped until the entiresituation was resolved and then
started the event back up and Ithought that was so cool, having
a background doing eventpromotion and doing concerts and
stuff.
I look at that and I mean kudosto him and the team and
everyone with the killers andthat organization to understand
how to handle that.
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That was really, really greatto see.
So that happened.
But Cisco Live overall wasgreat.
I think the ecosystem was strong.
It seems smaller, but maybeit's just because of the way the
venue was laid out.
It seems smaller with regardsto how many vendors were there,
but I'm probably wrong.
I didn't get to go to any ofthe sessions.
But you know it's.
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You know, should I be honest?
Right, I'm going to be honest.
It's great to see thatecosystem supporting everything
that Cisco is and that Ciscodoes, and that's why they're
there right To show off how theyinteract with Cisco stuff.
And the product team is doingsome great stuff at Cisco.
But it just when you see wherethe industry is going and when
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you pay close attention to it asmuch I feel like as much as I
do and you watch all the littlemoves that are being made, it's
not hard to see Cisco in therearview mirror and I kind of
hate to say that because I'vegot so many friends there, but
the innovation is happening andit feels like it's happening
around Cisco and I could bewrong.
(17:40):
I could totally be wrong.
They could be doing a bunch ofstuff that I don't know about.
But I'm just looking at thisfrom the market perspective.
I'm looking at what I see outthere.
I mean, you guys know, I'm atlike every freaking trade show
there is and I'm constantly infront of people and customers
and opportunities and it justfeels like their AI messaging.
It got a real big push at Live.
It really did.
They put a lot of effort intothat, into proving that they're
(18:05):
valuable in this day and age,but I think they really needed
it, man, because it was startingto feel like it really wasn't
coming together.
So there's that.
But I'm not picking on them,I'm just saying like that's you
know, it's the industry man it'slike watching a race.
I got to go watch a NASCAR raceand that was not the most
exciting thing I've ever been toin my life, but it was fun to
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watch them.
You know, volley for spaces andgo back and forth, and you saw
this car move up and then thatcar move up and this one go back
and you really didn't know whatwas going to happen until the
end of the race and I don't knowwhat the end of the race looks
like for us.
I don't think that there is anend.
This is a constant race.
So, watching them scoot back alittle bit maybe they slingshot
around the next corner, maybethey don't, I don't know but it
(18:49):
just felt weird coming intoCisco Live like they weren't
really getting in there.
What I will say is that thepartner ecosystem is nonstop.
It's not stopping and waitingfor them to do stuff, and I
think that that's one of thebonuses is that what we'll find
is that partners not just withthem, but with every vendor
partners are going to continueto fill those gaps and bridge
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those holes where the vendorsaren't doing what the industry
feels like they're supposed tobe doing.
And so when you see that, whenyou start to see partners doing
more, I think that that's reallycool because that opens up an
opportunity or an avenue forinnovation.
When you see people that arecoming up with things that the
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vendor should be doing, in theireyes, that's a great way for
someone to start up a company.
Build in their eyes, that's agreat way for someone to start
up a company.
Build up a company, build up abrand and get acquired by that
vendor eventually.
So I'm all for it.
The slowdown thing is real, butit also gives an opportunity
for people to make up that spaceand vendors who can pick and
choose and do what they need todo might be able to make those
acquisitions to speed up, speedup the process.
(19:53):
So I think that that's one ofthe bonuses of of something like
going to a show like this andseeing what the ecosystem looks
like as a whole.
Stew you're, he says.
You're missing me in vegas.
Man, uh, I'm having I'm notgonna lie, I'm having discover
fomo.
I'm having hp discover fomo andI didn't.
I've gone to discover for somany years, man and, and this
(20:14):
year I'm not there and I findmyself watching, watching the
sessions and watching everythingthat's going on because it's
like man, it really what a great, what a great time.
It looks like everybody'shaving a good time out there.
Speaking of, you know Stu fromEchow's on chat and, and you
know there's a vendor that'sdoing some pretty cool stuff.
(20:34):
I got to see you know there's avendor that's doing some pretty
cool stuff.
I got to see you know theecosystem of vendors who support
wireless.
Like, let's talk about them,right, we've got NetAlly.
What did NetAlly talk about?
They've got their new 6gigahertz device, the NT2000,
that's a plug-in device into theAirCheck or into the Cyberscope
or the NXG that you can plug inand you can scan the six
gigahertz spectrum inridiculously fast amounts of
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time and you can feed that datadirect into the net ally device
and then, once it's in the netally device, you can do those
scans and you can push thoseinto hamina.
That is like one of the coolestpartnerships.
I think that's out there.
So hamina was talking about that, showing that off.
Um, uh, the guys from from ocm,I got I'm happy, I got a new
Nomad.
I gifted my Nomad to someone.
You guys know me, I love togift stuff, so I gifted my Nomad
(21:18):
to somebody.
That was an agreement that Ihad with them.
They said you can use it aslong as if there's someone who
needs it more, you have to giveit to them.
And I found someone who neededit more.
So I guess it paid to be myfriend for a hot minute, but the
guys from Oseum gave me that.
I got to see some of what'sgoing on there, got to see how
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the AI wall generation in Haminaworks and it still blows my
mind that that's even a thing.
And this is that whole ideathat we've entered this new
generation of what we're capableof doing using AI.
And if you haven't seen it,yussi just posted something on
LinkedIn.
I'll pop it up here on thescreen, and he posted what he
was able to do.
(21:58):
Now that it has been officiallylaunched, it looks like AI the
first AI components.
Big Day AI version 1 of AminaWireless is out of beta, and so
he posted that on his LinkedInpage.
Let me see if I can load that upreal quick.
Let's see.
Okay, give me just a second.
(22:25):
I'm going to hang up.
Let me let me choose the rightscreen here.
Just give me double down.
Let me choose the right screenhere.
Just give me Double down.
Let me choose the right screen.
Give me one second here.
Okay, I got my audio back.
(22:50):
Now let me make sure that Ihave the correct window capture.
There we go, so check this out.
This is pretty neat and what Iwanted to show.
I think everybody can hear me.
I'm good.
My wi-fi stands are here in thewild.
Oh, stew.
Thanks, man.
I've been getting lots of youknow what?
Maybe that's what it is.
I've been getting lots of love.
I'll show that video here injust a second.
Um from from discover.
(23:13):
So what you're looking at hereis is uc showing off let me turn
these captions off.
He's showing premature reduces,premature balding.
That's not what is um.
He's taking floor plans fromGoogle images and he's dragging
and dropping them, and he's justputting them right into check
(23:33):
this out.
Ready, watch this.
Here comes the magic.
He's dragging and dropping afloor plan that he downloaded
from Google images direct intoHamina and then he clicks a
button and once he clicks thatbutton, he can zoom in on this
thing thing and it'sautomatically going to create
the walls.
And he's doing this.
He's showing off a hotel and Ican't even tell you how much
time that saved.
Is that an hour?
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Is that 30 minutes?
Is that three hours?
I mean, what is it?
And one of the things that hesaid is he's like look, if you
do this, it's going to give youtime to do more of what you're
good at.
It's going to give you time todo more of what you're good at.
You know, more time on designand engineering, less time on
drawing walls.
And he shows off that it's notjust a perfectly uh, you know,
sent over CAD drawing.
It's also being able todownload a fire escape plan from
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the back of a door and put itin there Sorry, there's dogs
running around now, so checkthis out, man.
So he drives, he drags anddrops it in there and it just
works and it Sorry, there's dogsrunning around now, so check
this out, man.
So he drags and drops it inthere and it just works and it
draws everything out for you.
And this is so revolutionaryfor the people that do this that
man, I talk about a featurethat people can actually use
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that's going to save them timeand save them effort.
This is so cool and to see thatwas so neat, man.
It was just great to see ithappen.
Now.
It's great that it's releasedand people are able to use that,
and it's only gonna get better.
This is that statement of thebest thing about AI right now is
this is the worst that it willever be Like.
It's never gonna be worse thanwhat it is today, and so, if
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that's where we are superexcited about the future, one of
the other things I saw thatEkahau was showing off Ekahau
had a great presence there aswell, and they were showing off
how you can take your Sidekick 2and you can walk up to it with
a device and you hold yourdevice close to it and it
immediately profiles that deviceand starts to give you all the
data and information about thatdevice and starts to help you
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learn what that device'scapabilities are and what it can
do and how that works in thelarger environment.
If you want to see a review ofthat, go, check out Echo House.
I think they just did a webinaron it.
Stu can help you out there.
But seeing how they'reextending the capabilities of
the Sidekick to above and beyondwhat it used to do is great.
I mean, they've done.
They've done, you know, theJust Go survey stuff that Echo
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House is doing, you know, isfantastic.
But I mean is is fantastic.
But Hamina and Ekahau arereally keeping each other on
each other's toes.
Man, the new speed test stuff,the new Ookla speed test stuff
that's coming because of thatOokla ownership and now
partnership within the, theEkahau software is great.
But then the AI stuff thatHamina is, you know, leveling up
.
It's like they keep justleveling up in different ways.
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You know, eventually some ofthose features are all going to
come in together.
There you go.
Stu says there's a webinartomorrow.
So if you're listening live,there's a webinar tomorrow.
Just go look at Ekow's page andthey'll talk about what they're
doing.
It's really awesome.
And then you know NetAllysupporting them.
I can't wait for what I heardabout that I can't talk about.
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I guess they didn't tell me Icouldn't talk about it.
They just told me that no one'stalked about it yet.
But I'm not going to talk aboutit.
But I can't wait to hear what Iheard talked about again in a
public setting, with regards tothe way that some of these tool
sets are coming together.
I mean this just it's awesome.
It's awesome because there wasa time not so long ago where if
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one vendor talked about anothervendor, it would cost them their
job, and maybe that's stillhappening in some places.
But to know that there's othervendors that are embracing that
and they're working together issuper cool.
And then, when you can takedata from two tool sets and to a
to a model and use AI to runtests and results analysis
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against that, this blows my mind, man.
Um, it blows my mind.
And yeah, so that's where I wasgoing.
Next for an A is CEDOS.
Cedos is doing some incrediblestuff.
Um, they just, you know, um,they just did a demo online
where they showed off what theycan do with with mesh systems
and this is something that ifyou were at WLPC, you got to see
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live.
Let me screen share on thatthing.
You got to see live where wetested out the ability to do
like see this is like tweetingand commenting.
That's great.
We got to see this tool, whichis their mesh deployment tool.
We got to see this live.
We did it on site there insidethe showcase area and the vendor
area, and what you do isbasically use this tool.
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You walk up and you hold itover a root node and then you
walk around and it tells youwhere you should place your next
mesh node.
And this might not be big forpeople that are wired know,
wired in, you know enterprisestyle aps where everything's
connected and no mesh is needed.
But for people who need meshand need a good way to deploy
mesh, this is a fantastic toolbecause it takes all that
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prediction it puts in the palmof your hand.
So you don't have to be anindustry vet of 30 years to
figure out where to place thenext node.
You don't have to go do sitesurveys and all signal analysis
to understand what's going tolook like.
You can simply grab a tool andwalk around with it.
You know, shout out to Cito's,obviously, shout out to Eero in
the picture there, super happyto know that they were using
that product to test it out.
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Very cool, so excited all theway around to see what's
happening in that space, becausethat one's near and dear, you
know a little bit more thananything else and it's neat, man
.
It shows you right there, itshows you what your client
experience looks like.
It shows you what your meshexperience looks like and what
those nodes look like whenthey're connected to each other.
So CEDOS is doing some greatstuff in that space as well.
I mean, overall, you've gotvendors that are all doing these
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different things and nowstarting to to show their unique
value proposition, betweenNetAlly and Hamina and CETOS and
Ekahouse.
So it's really cool, man.
Who else did we run into on theshow floor?
Who else was out there at CiscoLive?
Got to see Alexis that was coolfrom Megaport.
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Got to stop by and say hi toher.
It was interesting to watch herdo her thing live, because
obviously she has just a handfulmore followers than I do.
So seeing what it, what contentcreation, looks like for the
masses was pretty nuts man and alot of, a lot of work, a lot of
repeat, a lot of repeat, a lotof repeat, a lot of getting it
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done, getting it accurate,getting it accurate.
And what was really neat to seeand I posted about this was the
way that she was helping someof her coworkers record videos
and record demos andwalkthroughs and that's so cool
to be able to share that withyour coworkers.
I know I love to do it.
You know, when I was doing theWSL stuff, I got to talk to a
couple of my coworkers that wereout there and talk to them
about, you know, not justcontent creation, but about what
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it means just to work withpeople and to be understanding
of people and sympathetic topeople's scenarios and help
people out.
And and it was, it was neat tosee that coming through and what
Alexis was doing with the teamover at Megaports.
That was awesome.
I wanted to go to that happyhour but, you know, with with
Kevin who I haven't met inperson yet with Kevin and with
Alexis.
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But then, you know, I heardabout the drama.
I heard about the drama.
There was some drama thathappened with one of the
influencers.
I'm clearly not, you know, I'mnot at the cool kids table when
it comes to that, so I steerclear of it.
I'll just create my own drama.
Not really.
Who's got time for that, dude?
So much cool stuff is happening.
Who's got time for dramabetween friends?
So let's see, see, let me diveinto some of the other things
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that we're talking about.
Travis introduced the mcg.
Oh my god, look at this, thisguy.
You know, when you work for acompany, there's things that you
could talk about and things youcan't talk about.
But one of the things that yousee is you get to see people
that you know and you respectworking on products and and
having.
(31:08):
Yeah, I got to be on productmanagement, on the, on the cisco
team, on the cisco marocchiteam, and I got to watch people
work on products that were brandnew and watch the struggles
that they had and watch thevictories that they had and it
was really neat and I I gottasay that was one of the coolest
things about working at thatmanufacturers.
I got to see how this stuff wasmade and what it really takes
(31:30):
from a team and a personalperspective for people to put
into it, and so watching Travisintroduce the MCG sorry, the CCG
I don't know why I keep callingit.
I was calling it the BarakiGateway.
It's not, it's a Cisco campusgateway.
Watching this be introduced wasso cool, man, and so kudos to
Travis and the entire team thatwere able to push this thing
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through.
If you don't know what it is,it's a campus gateway so that
you can use cloud-connectedaccess points on a campus, so
that you can do seamless roaming, but across hundreds, if not
thousands, of APs, and it'ssomething that you know.
There's a lot of people thathave a need for this with these
large you know large deploymentsand there was no real easy,
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good way to do it.
Juniper's got something thatthey have as well, but to see
this introduced by Travis wassuper, super cool.
So stoked for him that that'sfinally in the marketplace.
I love a good product launch,especially when it's a friend
that's doing it.
Let's see Hamina and NetAllypartnerships deepen.
Yeah, that's pretty cool Usingyour Sidekick to profile devices
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.
That's happening.
So, aside from Cisco Live, youknow the HP Discover stuff that
was talked about.
I don't know if there were anynew models of Wi-Fi 7 that were
announced at HP Discover thisweek.
But one of the things that theytalked about is the, and it was
just like a big ominous slidewhere they talked about 5G and
they talked about Wi-Fi 7 andeverything that Aruba is doing,
(32:54):
and then GreenLake AI running ontop of that to bridge all of
those together.
So no huge announcements thatI've seen yet.
I've been pretty busy today.
It's been a busy day, which isa good day, but I haven been
pretty busy today.
It's been a busy day, which isa good day, but I haven't
checked and seen if there areany announcements on any new
Aruba product that's out there.
But the Aruba 5G privatecellular products were
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definitely on display and I didget an image.
Stu sent me an image of a Wi-Fistand in the wild and it looked
like a 5G base station that wason a wifi stand.
So, uh, I guess there's got tobe an upcoming 5g stand.
Uh, coming to you soon to makesure that we can take advantage
of that.
So, uh, what else is going on?
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Uh, in merger news.
Uh, one and a half billiondollar key sites, spirant
network testing, merger thisgoes back to the whole tool
conversation.
You know.
You know, spirent is has beenaround for a long time and
keysight's got some incredibletools.
But but those two tools comingtogether as a merger, that was
an acquisition that wasannounced a while back and and
it looks like it's finally it'sfinally been approved, so that's
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pretty good.
Um, then there's the fcc man,the like.
I can't even comment oneverything that's happening at
the FCC.
Uh, symington left and uh,chairman is Brandon, you know,
brendan Carr.
But now there's a new, anothernew commissioner that's been, or
that's been, named Dude.
There's just like a lot that'shappening at the FCC right now.
(34:22):
Um, senate confirms Oliviatrustee, so a trustees at the
FCC, and that's cool.
I don't know much about her yet.
So, let's see, let's read allthis live.
Let's run down the internetrabbit hole with me.
Senate approval comes after FCCcame to two commissioners,
after Nathra Simington andJeffrey Starks left.
Yeah, they both they out andleft the FCC just kind of
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hanging out with twocommissioners.
So now Senate approval forOlivia Trustee is in there.
Let's see.
Telecom industry leaders gavehigh praise to Trustee for her
hard work and extensive publicsector experience.
Next meeting is June 26th,which is mañana, tomorrow.
This is a Trump nominee.
Many telecom industry tradeassociations, blah, blah, blah,
(35:09):
blah, blah, blah blah Doesn'tsay much about Jeffrey Starks.
What are you going to do, man?
Senate 5345, a long party line.
So what are you going to do?
Us Senator Maria Cantwell,democrat from Washington,
ranking member of the SenateCommittee, said she opposed the
nomination of trustees, sayingRepublicans' breach of
longstanding practice to advanceboth Republican and Democratic
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nominees.
Okay, I'm not going to even getinto what the hell is going on
from a political perspective,but let's just hope that Mrs
Trustee is a wonderful person.
I hope she's got the bestinterests of wireless in in her
heart, deep, deep in her heart.
So that's pretty cool.
What else is going on?
Um, here we go.
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What's happening with cbrs?
What is happening with cbrs?
Man, I shouldn't even look itup.
Um, trying to rebrand.
Rebrand cbrs and move it out ofthe spectrum in the space that
it's already in is what'shappening with cbrs?
At&t's got this thing wherethey're saying, hey, we need to,
we need to move cbrs spectrumand and and allot it.
(36:12):
Uh, um to three.
Point, let's see the 3.1proposing to relocate from its
current 3.5 gig to 3.1 to 3.3.
It would free up 3.5 to 3.7 forexclusive licensed full power
5G.
So they're saying, hey, let ustake over all of this other
spectrum up high and we'll takeall those CBRS guys and then
we'll move them down.
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Come on, man, like we just gotthat spectrum.
The only thing that sucks aboutall this is that means that you
know if that happens, peoplejust made, you know, these huge
investments in it and it justit's hard to want to innovate
and do something if you knowthat people like you know, at&t
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and these big powers are goingto sit around and try and
relocate your spectrum after awhile.
Like why would you want to makean investment in anything if
you know that lobbying money isgoing to turn around and move
everything that you're trying todo?
Like God, it's like oh, let mejust go back to five gig.
You know what's going to happenwith six gig.
What happens when AT&T decidesyou know what we don't like
where six gigs at.
Let's go lobby against it andtry and push that as well.
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Many CBRS users that rely onthe band say it's greedy and
untenable.
But some wireless the idea thatit's going to move something
that people have made, you know,huge investments.
But then again there's thequestion private 5G CBRS is it
viable?
Is it not viable?
I have a conversation that I wasgoing to post for everybody to
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listen to, but we had had a lotto drink and I didn't realize
how much we had had to drinkuntil I listened to the
recording, which I might postanyway, just for funsies.
But it was me and a couple ofother industry experts at Cisco
Live sitting in a rooftop bartalking about 5G, like you do,
because that's what we do,because that's you know why.
Talk about the things thatdon't involve wireless.
And I used an example, and I'mnot intoxicated today, so I'm
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just going to go ahead and useit again.
I use the example that and thisis from one of my business
partners.
He said private business,private 5G is okay, so hold on.
He told me something and here'show I applied it.
Let me get that straight.
He didn't say it's aboutprivate 5G.
He said about something totallydifferent, but I applied it to
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private 5G.
So private 5G is like a cellphone holster.
It is purpose-built, it doesthe job that it's supposed to do
.
It works extremely well whenit's used in that application
and, by all means, it's theperfect accessory to a cell
phone.
There's just one problem.
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It's a cell phone holster,right and no.
Like I don't know how manypeople are wearing cell phone
holsters, but not a lot ofpeople that I know wear them for
a number of different reasons,but it's like.
It's like, imagine being theCEO of the cell phone holster
corporation going God, I don'tget it.
Like, I don't get it.
This is the perfect accessoryfor a cell phone.
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Why doesn't everybody who has acell phone buy one of these?
And imagine you're an earlyinvestor in it and you're like
oh my God, a cell phone holster.
That's genius.
Everybody who has a cell phoneis going to need one.
Except they didn't Like it justnever took off.
People just don't use them.
You know en masse, like it'sjust not a big thing.
So private 5G and cell phoneholsters have so much in common.
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Where does you know when doesprivate 5G make sense for mass
adoption?
I don't know.
That was the intoxicatingconversation that I had with
some great friends at WL, oh,not even at W, at Cisco Live.
Maybe I'll post that becausethat was a lot of fun.
So thought I'd bring that up,just because that was a fun
(39:52):
conversation that we had.
What else do we talk about?
Network X WBA Global Crime.
I talked about all that stuff.
What else is going on?
I haven't even scanned the news, man.
I haven't looked around to seewhat's happening.
Just so much is going on.
Wlpc voting is now open, whichis awesome for Prague.
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So make sure, if you'replanning on attending Prague,
you jump on the WLPC website andyou vote for the things that
you want to hear.
There's some really great stuffthat has not been publicly
announced that we're talkingabout doing at Prague, so I'm
going to make every effort toget out there this year to talk
about what we're doing, and someof that is based on what we did
(40:35):
in Phoenix this year, which iswhere we all crammed into one
room and then had to pull thewall apart and go into the
second room so that we could dosome AP testing.
I think it's about time that weget serious about some AP
testing and seeing what realworld performance and results
look like from uh access pointmanufacturers to that note.
One of the things that I'mtotally excited about is sitting
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right behind me and and thecamera blurs every once in a
while, but if you look overthere on this little rack that I
have, there's two boxes thereand there's one on the top and
there's some other stuff and akeyboard and things over there.
This is a testing rig fromAletheia and what this allows me
to do is it allows me to takean access point and set it down
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and this simulates up to I thinkI'm up to 200 clients, so maybe
150 clients in differentfrequency sets.
So I can do 56 gigahertzclients and 55 gig clients and
52.4 gig clients.
I think is where I'm at on thisone.
But it allows me to run everytype of saturation tests that I
can think of on those accesspoints and get real world
(41:45):
results.
And I've been working with itto make sure that I understand
how it's working and what'sgoing on with it, because if
there's one thing that I have,it's a whole bunch of APs, and
if there's one thing I want toknow, it's how well do they
actually all perform in the sameenvironment?
And this is a test and theseare things that have been done
in our industry for a reallylong time, and so I'm curious
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what happens when you load tens,if not hundreds, of APs on
wireless access points and howthey perform, say is, if you
have an access point that you'reinterested in.
This is a really high end pieceof test equipment that is
normally only found inmanufacturers labs or in big
labs to do stuff, and I got onesitting right here.
(42:28):
If you're interested, let meknow.
Let me know which AP you wantme to test.
If I have a great, if I don'thave it and you want to send me
one, let me know and I'll testit, because my goal is to start
running things on that rack andpublishing the results for
everybody to see.
Now is that a scary thing, kindof you know.
But what I'm going to do is I'mgoing to try and calibrate it
as best as possible and then I'mjust going to leave the
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settings the way that they are.
I'm going to use a specificlocation where I put down the
wireless access point everysingle time.
If I put it too close, mimodoesn't really get to do the
thing and MLO doesn't really getto do the thing MIMO more than
anything just because of whereit is.
So I'm going to try and maybefind a better place a little bit
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further away than right next tothe box.
But once I figure out the bestplace to do this, I'm going to
be able to just run thingsthrough that rack over and over
and over and over again.
Just connect and grab theresults and post the results.
Connect and grab the resultsand post the results, so we'll
see what that means.
Two gig, five gig, six gig.
If you have anything that youwant me to test, let me know.
That's going to be sponsored,obviously, by Aletheia.
They didn't give me any moneyso you know, not necessarily a
sponsorship from that regard,but they did.
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Let me play with a reallyexpensive piece can do with it.
So kudos to them for letting metry that out on the bench and
post some information for youall to see.
Anyway, 43 minutes later,that's about it.
I think that was a good update.
I feel like that was a goodupdate.
Cisco Live really dominated thenews cycle, I think for all of
us that were out there.
Next year it goes back to Vegas.
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Hp Discover is happening rightnow.
Wlpc is coming up.
I can't encourage you enough togo to WLPC in Prague or in
February.
Make your plans now to join usat WLPC in Phoenix, where you
can, you know, I don't know.
Hang out with us now, have agood time and put faces to names
.
If there's anything I didn'tcover, let me know.
Drop something in the comments.
I appreciate everybody watching.
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Um, I really enjoy doing thisand I wish you know's.
Like I said, it's been a busycouple of weeks and I wish I got
a chance to do this more, butsummertime is summertime, so
hopefully I get back on aregular cadence soon.
Anyway, until then, I hope youall have a wonderful week.
If you're at Discover, enjoy HPDiscover.
If you have anything that youwant me to talk about, something
you want me to think about orsomething you want on the front
of my mind, drop me a message,send me a hello.
(44:36):
Uh, fernay, stew mark, uh,everybody on there, man, thank
you for uh.
Thank you for the comments.
There's comments coming in fromyoutube and linkedin and
everywhere else on x?
Um.
September 12th through 16th.
Uh, oh yeah, el 12 deseptiembre.
Uh is wlpc in espanol, inValencia, spain.
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That's really cool.
It's going to be beautiful.
It'll be beautiful there.
So September 12th through 16th,but that's right before Prague.
So if you make it to Prague,make it to Prague.
If you want to do it all inSpanish, you can make it out to
Valencia.
Anyway, I hope you all have awonderful week.
Thanks for listening.
It's always good to catch up.
I.
All right, let's just go ahead and punch that stream
button and see what happens.
I think I might be coming in alittle bit hot here.
Let's see if we can turn thisdown.
Check, check one, two, whoa oh,it's coming in over there.
So, oh boy, let's see if we canswitch this microphone.
(00:25):
Wow, well, that's the only wayto do it.
Let's make this microphone workand that'll be a little bit
more fun.
I don't even remember how thisthing is all connected.
You know, you go to town forone minute and the next thing,
you know, your mics are allmessed up.
All right, I'm going todeactivate this.
(00:47):
It's doing it live.
You know, like we normally do,do, do, do, do, do.
This thing should be working,but of course it's not.
Whoa, cool, ah, well, you canhear me on this camera, which is
(01:13):
kind of weird, but not tooweird.
Good morning, good afternoon,super hot.
Hmm, there we go.
Check that box, turn this thingup.
(01:35):
There we go.
That sounds a little bit better.
Let's go ahead and mute thatother one so I don't come in too
hot.
Oh, what's up everybody, how'sit going?
Know, I figured I would just golive instead of making an
announcement or whatever.
It's five o'clock, it's June 20something, june 25th.
Hope everybody's having awonderful day.
(01:57):
It has been a crazy last coupleof weeks.
Let me tell you.
It's been really hectic.
Lots of travel, lots of backand forth trying to figure out
where I've been, where I'm goingand what's happening.
I've had the opportunity tosupport some really, really
great stuff, which has beenreally cool.
Um, but now I'm finally backsitting in my office ready to
rock and roll.
(02:18):
Yeah, buddy, you know I alwaysgot to check this real quick and
make sure that I can, uh, waitand see what's going on.
Let's see if we're live.
We're live, we are alive.
Look at that sweet.
That one says event ended.
Oh, there we go.
This one says we're live.
Cool, I am live.
(02:39):
Well, howdy, you know, I got alot going on and instead of just
opening everything up, I justfigured I would jump on and
start riffing a little bit andsee if there was anyone out
there who wanted to have aconversation.
I'm pretty sure Mark Houts isgoing to be joining anytime to
give us a hard time.
But either way, what's upeverybody.
I'm Drew Lentz, I'm theWireless Nerd and this is the
Waves Podcast.
It's June 25th, june 25th and,like I said, it's been a crazy
(03:06):
couple of weeks and I hope thateveryone's settling back down.
Cisco Live just happened acouple of weeks back and you
know there was Cisco Live andthere was some time that we had
at home and HP Discover is goingon right now, so that's
happening.
I heard Antonio make mention ofthe acquisition.
I was wondering if this wasbuzzword bingo.
I was wondering if we weregoing to hear him mention
juniper in the keynote addressat uh, hp discover, and he did.
(03:28):
He said you know, uh, with thefuture of ai and what they're
doing.
He he did bring up the name,but you know he didn't give any
detail, which doesn't leaveanybody better off than where we
were before with regards toinformation.
But that's okay because, youknow, maybe, maybe that's just
the way it's supposed to be.
Let's see.
Whoa looks like.
My restream says I'm unstable.
(03:51):
That's kind of cool.
It knows me better than I knowmyself, apparently.
Anyway, all right, let's see.
So I'm going to open up my shownotes here and we're going to
see what's going on.
Let me pop open a new tab.
Um, I'm curious what everybody'sbeen up to.
Summertime is a little bitdifferent.
You know, there's alwayssomething going on and I know
kids are out of school, whichmakes it that much more exciting
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, you know, as if we didn't haveenough time when the kids were
in school.
Not, the kids are out.
It's finding stuff for them todo and figure out what to do
with ourselves during that time.
So I fully anticipate anyminute now one of the little
ones is going to walk in and say, dad, I need to go to Target or
something similar.
I've already had that happenonce today.
So let's go ahead and close outsome of these windows and I
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will open up the topics of theday.
You know, but sometimes I liketo just think about what's
happening in the industryoverall, without looking at the
topics, just following the newsday to day.
There's a lot happeningpolitically that I think has
dominated some of the newscycles, and that's okay.
But from a tech perspective, ifI think about highlights that
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have happened in the last coupleof weeks Cisco Live, right.
So Cisco Live happened andthere were some announcements
with Cisco Live and them talkingabout hey, gibby, how's it
going About Cisco introducingCanvas, ai, ai Canvas and what
that means to agentic AI andoperations and AI operations
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overall, with how they'rerunning and managing their
networks, with how they'rerunning and managing their
networks and it's, it's cool.
I mean it's one of those things.
We saw it coming.
But then watching the internettalk about that a little bit
afterwards and seeing posts likethe one from Eva that she put
up on LinkedIn about the theCisco is Asian of Meraki and how
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it's slowly fit, how the greenis slowly fading away and now
how you know slowly, how thegreen is slowly fading away and
now how you know it makes mewonder is the same thing
happening from an operation side?
Or the CCIE is slowly fadinginto the background?
I don't know.
You know Cisco's always beenbig on education and this isn't
something that they discussed,but it's something that is an
elephant in the room when youstart to talk about it and
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regardless of how many peoplesit there and say no, no, no, ai
is not going to take your job.
When you look at in, you know,announcements like like andy
jassy from amazon, causing aruckus with what he said.
You know in full disclosure.
If you don't know, I do workfor an amazon company and this
opinion is my own opinion, sowhatever, but I actually like
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what andy said.
I think that it's.
You know, he basically saidthat AI is coming in and it is
doing a lot of the work and it'shelping us strive to be better.
This obviously not directquotes, but there are some
quotes that he put out therethat I think are really
important, and one of those isbasically, you know, to
paraphrase, it's learn how touse AI, and the people that
learn how to use AI and learnhow to do that correctly are
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going to be the people thatthey're going to contribute in
the future, moving forward, andit's not about saying we're
never going to adopt it or adaptto it.
I think the whole premiseoverall is you know AI is coming
and there is something that'sgoing on with it, and if you're
not using it on a day-to-daybasis, if you're not figuring
out how to integrate it intoyour workflows, then you're like
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you're missing.
The people are telling you thetrain is coming and you're on
the loading platform waiting toget on the train.
It's only a matter of timebefore that train is gone.
You know what I mean.
And people I feel like you'regiving lots of heads up and
they're being real careful notto, you know, piss off the the
way that it that it goestypically.
But when you walk around Ciscolive and you see everyone
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talking about AI and agentic, aiand agentic, agentic, agentic
what a word Um and all thethings that that's happening in
that space, you're a fool tothink that this isn't going to
replace your workflows, right?
Like?
Not maybe not your job, butdefinitely some of the stuff
that you do on a day-to-daybasis.
If you're not thinking aboutthat that maybe there's, maybe
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you're in the wrong industry.
But when you look at whatthey're doing and right on the
heels of them announcing thatmeter announces 170 million
dollar raise on their you knowseries c, it's like if the
writing isn't on the wallalready about what ai is doing,
the networking maybe you need tolook at the wall, or maybe you
need to look at a wall.
Maybe you need to look at adifferent wall, because you're
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not looking at the wall that alot of other people are looking
at.
And I think Keith Parsons saidit best.
I love Keith and Keith, ifyou're listening, hi but he said
it best where we talked abouthow this is like having that
mentor standing over yourshoulder as you're writing, as
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you're typing in code or asyou're working on a CLI, having
someone that you can just askquestions to, like, hey, what's
the command for you know BGPneighbor, you know, show BGP
neighbors, you know.
Or what's the command for routetables?
Or what's the command to youknow, show your you know ARP
table, you know?
Instead of you having toremember it, you have someone
that's always there to help you.
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And taking that a step forwardwith AI, where it's going to be
able to do a lot of that for youand focus on you being able to
do what you're good at.
That's the buzz.
That's the buzz.
It's not.
Is AI the big, powerful thingthat's gonna take over the world
?
It's not that it's.
How is AI going to help you dowhat you're already good at?
And if you're already good atit, how can it make you that
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much better?
And if you're that much betterat it, how can you spend your
time doing more incrediblethings to turn this into an
amplifier or a superpower?
And so, for the people that arescared that this is going to
take their job, if you're scaredthat AI is going to take your
job, you should be scaredbecause you're not in the right
mindset.
Your mindset needs to shiftinto a place where people look
at this and go.
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How can I leverage this?
That's just my opinion.
So I told you one of my kids wasgoing to come in live on my
podcast right now.
My daughter's walking in.
Oh, that's great.
Say hi, say, happy summer,happy summer, that's great.
Hold on.
Here's what I said earlier.
What do you want, young lady?
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Tell me?
Tell me, say it loud enough.
This is great.
Is it time for dinner?
Yet is it time for dinner?
I thought we were going to goto target.
That's what I thought it was.
Oh yeah, and target yeah.
Okay, bye, it's my daughter.
I figured that was going tohappen.
Welcome to summer, everybody.
Anyway, is it time for dinner?
Yet in a little bit, honey.
So can't make that up.
Drew, ai is going to take myjob.
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Ai is not going to replace wi-Fipeople.
Ai is going to replace theWi-Fi people that don't know how
to use it.
That's what Frenet says.
Frenet, I think you're spot on.
Man, there's so much more thatit can do.
Man and vibe coding.
I'm such a huge fan of vibecoding.
I love what it does.
I love the superpower that itgives me to wake up of the night
with an idea for an app or aprogram or a way to leverage
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APIs and I can sit down and justtell Claude AI hey, do this for
me, or I can go and chat GPTand say, do this, or I can use
any of the billions of toolsthat are now becoming available
to help leverage that.
It's such a cool time that welive in and, from a network
management perspective, beingable to grab all of the data
that's out there and this is thewhole agentic AI thing, right,
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being able to grab all the dataabout what's happening on a
network, what's happening withWi-Fi packets, what's happening
with spectral analysis, crunchall of that together in ways
that we haven't even thought ofyet to present solutions to us,
so that, instead of ourdashboard telling us that
something is wrong, ourdashboard is telling us here's
the action to take to fix it orjust automate that.
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That's the whole agenticprocess.
I think that that's really greatand I'm glad to see Cisco
getting on that page.
I guess, because so many peopleuse it, it feels like they're a
little late to the race, youknow, and that's okay.
You know, I think there'scompanies out there that have
that have been leaders for along time and that stagnation
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that's happening with theJuniper HPE thing.
Man, like that sucks for bothcompanies, right, they're just
sitting there and it's likewho's going to move forward?
Is it going to be these guys?
These guys, like what's goingto happen?
That's just such a bummer manfor anyone that that is a
customer of HP or Juniper miss.
It's like their heels arecooling a little bit and and I
wish that would just hurry up,like just just hurry up and get
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going.
I know I'm not the only one whofeels that way.
Um, I got to go to the Juniperday, um, the, the AI awesome day
, whatever it was, where theyhad the dude.
Listen, let me.
Let me give this shout outthere.
So cisco live was happening insan diego and what a great time,
and I'm so glad it was in sandiego, love san diego.
I got to spend time at theworld surfing league event,
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supporting the surfers at wsl,providing the era wi-fi all
along the beach there, attrestles it was.
It was incredible, um, and thenI got to go down to cisco live
right afterwards and and seewhat was happening, you know,
with the whole ecosystem ofCisco, and then, of course, like
Juniper does, and God, I loveit, man.
I knew the second.
I landed at the airport in SanDiego.
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I was wondering, as soon as Iland, am I going to see Juniper
advertisements all over baggageclaim, like they do in Vegas?
And sure as shit, man, therethey, there.
They were big old greenadvertisements and billboards
for everything Juniper you couldpossibly imagine.
And I was already registered.
Of course I'm gonna stop bylots of friends there to go say
hi to.
I cruised over, jumped in theUber, cruised over to go listen
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to what they were saying andthey had such a cool story.
Now there was one guy that I waslistening to who was like a
little bit too on the salesyside.
Don't remember his name, um,but it was a little.
It was like, not concerning,but just like man, that guy's,
he's been drinking a lot of tonyrobbins apple juice.
Man, he was really pushingstrong on the.
The world's gonna end if you'renot ai, you know driven.
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And I was like, oh, chill, man,like hold on, just like, give
us a break, let's understandwhat you're talking about.
He was was nuts, but nothing.
Nothing compared to the swagjuniper at that surfboard
cookies dude they had.
I'm not even lying, they hadsome of the best chocolate chip
cookies I've ever had in my lifeand and I know that you know
it's a tech conference orwhatever and that's not the
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highlight but if you were thereand you had one of those
chocolate chip cookies, dude,they were legit.
I don't know where they gotthem, but they were legit.
I don't know where they gotthem, but they were so good.
So kudos to the catering.
Um, they had beach towels, theyhad crazy little hats, they had
breath mints, they had all thethe ai stuff and it was
happening right up the streetfrom live and it was, you know,
great to see so many peoplesupporting it.
Um, albeit a little bit of asmaller space than they usually
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do in in vegas, but still therewas a good vibe there with what
was happening and you know theygot to tell their story and
kudos to them for doing that thesame time as live.
It's always, it's always a lotof fun, okay, kibikaro says I
totally agree on your aistatement.
Until something comes up anduntil we think we need, until we
need to think outside of thebox.
You know, that's one of thecoolest things I think about ai
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is you can feed it informationand tell it, ask it what you're
not seeing.
I've done that with sitesurveys so many times, you know.
I'm not ashamed of it, I loveit.
I think these tools are great.
I love taking site surveyinformation or taking a method
of procedure that I have andloading it in there and saying,
hey, this is how I do a sitesurvey, here's what I'm looking
for.
What did I miss?
Like, just ask if you want tostart with some basic stuff,
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just ask AI what you missed.
Tell it hey.
Tell it hey.
Consider best practices forhotel Wi-Fi or restaurant Wi-Fi
or whatever it is and send thatin and say give me what I'm
missing and then point it.
Point it to YouTube to go lookat sessions from WLPC or
Mobility Field Day.
Point it to go research andfind out information and learn
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from the best.
Leverage Brene and Mark andeveryone who's doing this and
leverage their knowledge fromstuff that they've already
talked about.
Um, I saw you hanging out on thebalcony of the juniper event as
I drove past my uber head.
I know, dude, I didn't even getto see you for like a hot
minute.
I was there anyway.
So cisco live happened.
Uh, introduction of the newaccess point.
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Those, those matt swartz.
I was hoping to run into mattwhen I was there.
I didn't see matt.
But you know their new accesspoints that they that they
cranked out for event and for,uh, large public venues.
Those are great access points.
Got to see the, the, the teamfrom curb, which I don't think
they're calling it ultrareliable broadband anymore I
don't know what they're callingit but um, but got to see those
guys out there.
Igor and the team from curve isreally cool.
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They put on, you know,obviously, a great concert.
The Killers were incredible.
One of the things I thought wasreally great and it was bad but
great is someone was having amedical emergency in the crowd
at Cisco Live in the middle ofthe Killers set and Brandon
Flowers, lead singer of theKillers, stopped and he said
they need help, they needattention, they need help, and
he pointed and the crowd partedand they got paramedics in there
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and they had everything doneand he just stopped.
He didn't say a word, he backedaway from the microphone, he
just stopped until the entiresituation was resolved and then
started the event back up and Ithought that was so cool, having
a background doing eventpromotion and doing concerts and
stuff.
I look at that and I mean kudosto him and the team and
everyone with the killers andthat organization to understand
how to handle that.
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That was really, really greatto see.
So that happened.
But Cisco Live overall wasgreat.
I think the ecosystem was strong.
It seems smaller, but maybeit's just because of the way the
venue was laid out.
It seems smaller with regardsto how many vendors were there,
but I'm probably wrong.
I didn't get to go to any ofthe sessions.
But you know it's.
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You know, should I be honest?
Right, I'm going to be honest.
It's great to see thatecosystem supporting everything
that Cisco is and that Ciscodoes, and that's why they're
there right To show off how theyinteract with Cisco stuff.
And the product team is doingsome great stuff at Cisco.
But it just when you see wherethe industry is going and when
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you pay close attention to it asmuch I feel like as much as I
do and you watch all the littlemoves that are being made, it's
not hard to see Cisco in therearview mirror and I kind of
hate to say that because I'vegot so many friends there, but
the innovation is happening andit feels like it's happening
around Cisco and I could bewrong.
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I could totally be wrong.
They could be doing a bunch ofstuff that I don't know about.
But I'm just looking at thisfrom the market perspective.
I'm looking at what I see outthere.
I mean, you guys know, I'm atlike every freaking trade show
there is and I'm constantly infront of people and customers
and opportunities and it justfeels like their AI messaging.
It got a real big push at Live.
It really did.
They put a lot of effort intothat, into proving that they're
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valuable in this day and age,but I think they really needed
it, man, because it was startingto feel like it really wasn't
coming together.
So there's that.
But I'm not picking on them,I'm just saying like that's you
know, it's the industry man it'slike watching a race.
I got to go watch a NASCAR raceand that was not the most
exciting thing I've ever been toin my life, but it was fun to
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watch them.
You know, volley for spaces andgo back and forth, and you saw
this car move up and then thatcar move up and this one go back
and you really didn't know whatwas going to happen until the
end of the race and I don't knowwhat the end of the race looks
like for us.
I don't think that there is anend.
This is a constant race.
So, watching them scoot back alittle bit maybe they slingshot
around the next corner, maybethey don't, I don't know but it
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just felt weird coming intoCisco Live like they weren't
really getting in there.
What I will say is that thepartner ecosystem is nonstop.
It's not stopping and waitingfor them to do stuff, and I
think that that's one of thebonuses is that what we'll find
is that partners not just withthem, but with every vendor
partners are going to continueto fill those gaps and bridge
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those holes where the vendorsaren't doing what the industry
feels like they're supposed tobe doing.
And so when you see that, whenyou start to see partners doing
more, I think that that's reallycool because that opens up an
opportunity or an avenue forinnovation.
When you see people that arecoming up with things that the
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vendor should be doing, in theireyes, that's a great way for
someone to start up a company.
Build in their eyes, that's agreat way for someone to start
up a company.
Build up a company, build up abrand and get acquired by that
vendor eventually.
So I'm all for it.
The slowdown thing is real, butit also gives an opportunity
for people to make up that spaceand vendors who can pick and
choose and do what they need todo might be able to make those
acquisitions to speed up, speedup the process.
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So I think that that's one ofthe bonuses of of something like
going to a show like this andseeing what the ecosystem looks
like as a whole.
Stew you're, he says.
You're missing me in vegas.
Man, uh, I'm having I'm notgonna lie, I'm having discover
fomo.
I'm having hp discover fomo andI didn't.
I've gone to discover for somany years, man and, and this
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year I'm not there and I findmyself watching, watching the
sessions and watching everythingthat's going on because it's
like man, it really what a great, what a great time.
It looks like everybody'shaving a good time out there.
Speaking of, you know Stu fromEchow's on chat and, and you
know there's a vendor that'sdoing some pretty cool stuff.
(20:34):
I got to see you know there's avendor that's doing some pretty
cool stuff.
I got to see you know theecosystem of vendors who support
wireless.
Like, let's talk about them,right, we've got NetAlly.
What did NetAlly talk about?
They've got their new 6gigahertz device, the NT2000,
that's a plug-in device into theAirCheck or into the Cyberscope
or the NXG that you can plug inand you can scan the six
gigahertz spectrum inridiculously fast amounts of
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time and you can feed that datadirect into the net ally device
and then, once it's in the netally device, you can do those
scans and you can push thoseinto hamina.
That is like one of the coolestpartnerships.
I think that's out there.
So hamina was talking about that, showing that off.
Um, uh, the guys from from ocm,I got I'm happy, I got a new
Nomad.
I gifted my Nomad to someone.
You guys know me, I love togift stuff, so I gifted my Nomad
(21:18):
to somebody.
That was an agreement that Ihad with them.
They said you can use it aslong as if there's someone who
needs it more, you have to giveit to them.
And I found someone who neededit more.
So I guess it paid to be myfriend for a hot minute, but the
guys from Oseum gave me that.
I got to see some of what'sgoing on there, got to see how
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the AI wall generation in Haminaworks and it still blows my
mind that that's even a thing.
And this is that whole ideathat we've entered this new
generation of what we're capableof doing using AI.
And if you haven't seen it,yussi just posted something on
LinkedIn.
I'll pop it up here on thescreen, and he posted what he
was able to do.
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Now that it has been officiallylaunched, it looks like AI the
first AI components.
Big Day AI version 1 of AminaWireless is out of beta, and so
he posted that on his LinkedInpage.
Let me see if I can load that upreal quick.
Let's see.
Okay, give me just a second.
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I'm going to hang up.
Let me let me choose the rightscreen here.
Just give me double down.
Let me choose the right screenhere.
Just give me Double down.
Let me choose the right screen.
Give me one second here.
Okay, I got my audio back.
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Now let me make sure that Ihave the correct window capture.
There we go, so check this out.
This is pretty neat and what Iwanted to show.
I think everybody can hear me.
I'm good.
My wi-fi stands are here in thewild.
Oh, stew.
Thanks, man.
I've been getting lots of youknow what?
Maybe that's what it is.
I've been getting lots of love.
I'll show that video here injust a second.
Um from from discover.
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So what you're looking at hereis is uc showing off let me turn
these captions off.
He's showing premature reduces,premature balding.
That's not what is um.
He's taking floor plans fromGoogle images and he's dragging
and dropping them, and he's justputting them right into check
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this out.
Ready, watch this.
Here comes the magic.
He's dragging and dropping afloor plan that he downloaded
from Google images direct intoHamina and then he clicks a
button and once he clicks thatbutton, he can zoom in on this
thing thing and it'sautomatically going to create
the walls.
And he's doing this.
He's showing off a hotel and Ican't even tell you how much
time that saved.
Is that an hour?
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Is that 30 minutes?
Is that three hours?
I mean, what is it?
And one of the things that hesaid is he's like look, if you
do this, it's going to give youtime to do more of what you're
good at.
It's going to give you time todo more of what you're good at.
You know, more time on designand engineering, less time on
drawing walls.
And he shows off that it's notjust a perfectly uh, you know,
sent over CAD drawing.
It's also being able todownload a fire escape plan from
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the back of a door and put itin there Sorry, there's dogs
running around now, so checkthis out, man.
So he drives, he drags anddrops it in there and it just
works and it Sorry, there's dogsrunning around now, so check
this out, man.
So he drags and drops it inthere and it just works and it
draws everything out for you.
And this is so revolutionaryfor the people that do this that
man, I talk about a featurethat people can actually use
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that's going to save them timeand save them effort.
This is so cool and to see thatwas so neat, man.
It was just great to see ithappen.
Now.
It's great that it's releasedand people are able to use that,
and it's only gonna get better.
This is that statement of thebest thing about AI right now is
this is the worst that it willever be Like.
It's never gonna be worse thanwhat it is today, and so, if
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that's where we are superexcited about the future, one of
the other things I saw thatEkahau was showing off Ekahau
had a great presence there aswell, and they were showing off
how you can take your Sidekick 2and you can walk up to it with
a device and you hold yourdevice close to it and it
immediately profiles that deviceand starts to give you all the
data and information about thatdevice and starts to help you
(25:21):
learn what that device'scapabilities are and what it can
do and how that works in thelarger environment.
If you want to see a review ofthat, go, check out Echo House.
I think they just did a webinaron it.
Stu can help you out there.
But seeing how they'reextending the capabilities of
the Sidekick to above and beyondwhat it used to do is great.
I mean, they've done.
They've done, you know, theJust Go survey stuff that Echo
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House is doing, you know, isfantastic.
But I mean is is fantastic.
But Hamina and Ekahau arereally keeping each other on
each other's toes.
Man, the new speed test stuff,the new Ookla speed test stuff
that's coming because of thatOokla ownership and now
partnership within the, theEkahau software is great.
But then the AI stuff thatHamina is, you know, leveling up
.
It's like they keep justleveling up in different ways.
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You know, eventually some ofthose features are all going to
come in together.
There you go.
Stu says there's a webinartomorrow.
So if you're listening live,there's a webinar tomorrow.
Just go look at Ekow's page andthey'll talk about what they're
doing.
It's really awesome.
And then you know NetAllysupporting them.
I can't wait for what I heardabout that I can't talk about.
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I guess they didn't tell me Icouldn't talk about it.
They just told me that no one'stalked about it yet.
But I'm not going to talk aboutit.
But I can't wait to hear what Iheard talked about again in a
public setting, with regards tothe way that some of these tool
sets are coming together.
I mean this just it's awesome.
It's awesome because there wasa time not so long ago where if
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one vendor talked about anothervendor, it would cost them their
job, and maybe that's stillhappening in some places.
But to know that there's othervendors that are embracing that
and they're working together issuper cool.
And then, when you can takedata from two tool sets and to a
to a model and use AI to runtests and results analysis
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against that, this blows my mind, man.
Um, it blows my mind.
And yeah, so that's where I wasgoing.
Next for an A is CEDOS.
Cedos is doing some incrediblestuff.
Um, they just, you know, um,they just did a demo online
where they showed off what theycan do with with mesh systems
and this is something that ifyou were at WLPC, you got to see
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live.
Let me screen share on thatthing.
You got to see live where wetested out the ability to do
like see this is like tweetingand commenting.
That's great.
We got to see this tool, whichis their mesh deployment tool.
We got to see this live.
We did it on site there insidethe showcase area and the vendor
area, and what you do isbasically use this tool.
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You walk up and you hold itover a root node and then you
walk around and it tells youwhere you should place your next
mesh node.
And this might not be big forpeople that are wired know,
wired in, you know enterprisestyle aps where everything's
connected and no mesh is needed.
But for people who need meshand need a good way to deploy
mesh, this is a fantastic toolbecause it takes all that
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prediction it puts in the palmof your hand.
So you don't have to be anindustry vet of 30 years to
figure out where to place thenext node.
You don't have to go do sitesurveys and all signal analysis
to understand what's going tolook like.
You can simply grab a tool andwalk around with it.
You know, shout out to Cito's,obviously, shout out to Eero in
the picture there, super happyto know that they were using
that product to test it out.
(28:37):
Very cool, so excited all theway around to see what's
happening in that space, becausethat one's near and dear, you
know a little bit more thananything else and it's neat, man
.
It shows you right there, itshows you what your client
experience looks like.
It shows you what your meshexperience looks like and what
those nodes look like whenthey're connected to each other.
So CEDOS is doing some greatstuff in that space as well.
I mean, overall, you've gotvendors that are all doing these
(28:59):
different things and nowstarting to to show their unique
value proposition, betweenNetAlly and Hamina and CETOS and
Ekahouse.
So it's really cool, man.
Who else did we run into on theshow floor?
Who else was out there at CiscoLive?
Got to see Alexis that was coolfrom Megaport.
(29:21):
Got to stop by and say hi toher.
It was interesting to watch herdo her thing live, because
obviously she has just a handfulmore followers than I do.
So seeing what it, what contentcreation, looks like for the
masses was pretty nuts man and alot of, a lot of work, a lot of
repeat, a lot of repeat, a lotof repeat, a lot of getting it
(29:42):
done, getting it accurate,getting it accurate.
And what was really neat to seeand I posted about this was the
way that she was helping someof her coworkers record videos
and record demos andwalkthroughs and that's so cool
to be able to share that withyour coworkers.
I know I love to do it.
You know, when I was doing theWSL stuff, I got to talk to a
couple of my coworkers that wereout there and talk to them
about, you know, not justcontent creation, but about what
(30:04):
it means just to work withpeople and to be understanding
of people and sympathetic topeople's scenarios and help
people out.
And and it was, it was neat tosee that coming through and what
Alexis was doing with the teamover at Megaports.
That was awesome.
I wanted to go to that happyhour but, you know, with with
Kevin who I haven't met inperson yet with Kevin and with
Alexis.
(30:24):
But then, you know, I heardabout the drama.
I heard about the drama.
There was some drama thathappened with one of the
influencers.
I'm clearly not, you know, I'mnot at the cool kids table when
it comes to that, so I steerclear of it.
I'll just create my own drama.
Not really.
Who's got time for that, dude?
So much cool stuff is happening.
Who's got time for dramabetween friends?
So let's see, see, let me diveinto some of the other things
(30:48):
that we're talking about.
Travis introduced the mcg.
Oh my god, look at this, thisguy.
You know, when you work for acompany, there's things that you
could talk about and things youcan't talk about.
But one of the things that yousee is you get to see people
that you know and you respectworking on products and and
having.
(31:08):
Yeah, I got to be on productmanagement, on the, on the cisco
team, on the cisco marocchiteam, and I got to watch people
work on products that were brandnew and watch the struggles
that they had and watch thevictories that they had and it
was really neat and I I gottasay that was one of the coolest
things about working at thatmanufacturers.
I got to see how this stuff wasmade and what it really takes
(31:30):
from a team and a personalperspective for people to put
into it, and so watching Travisintroduce the MCG sorry, the CCG
I don't know why I keep callingit.
I was calling it the BarakiGateway.
It's not, it's a Cisco campusgateway.
Watching this be introduced wasso cool, man, and so kudos to
Travis and the entire team thatwere able to push this thing
(31:51):
through.
If you don't know what it is,it's a campus gateway so that
you can use cloud-connectedaccess points on a campus, so
that you can do seamless roaming, but across hundreds, if not
thousands, of APs, and it'ssomething that you know.
There's a lot of people thathave a need for this with these
large you know large deploymentsand there was no real easy,
(32:12):
good way to do it.
Juniper's got something thatthey have as well, but to see
this introduced by Travis wassuper, super cool.
So stoked for him that that'sfinally in the marketplace.
I love a good product launch,especially when it's a friend
that's doing it.
Let's see Hamina and NetAllypartnerships deepen.
Yeah, that's pretty cool Usingyour Sidekick to profile devices
(32:33):
.
That's happening.
So, aside from Cisco Live, youknow the HP Discover stuff that
was talked about.
I don't know if there were anynew models of Wi-Fi 7 that were
announced at HP Discover thisweek.
But one of the things that theytalked about is the, and it was
just like a big ominous slidewhere they talked about 5G and
they talked about Wi-Fi 7 andeverything that Aruba is doing,
(32:54):
and then GreenLake AI running ontop of that to bridge all of
those together.
So no huge announcements thatI've seen yet.
I've been pretty busy today.
It's been a busy day, which isa good day, but I haven been
pretty busy today.
It's been a busy day, which isa good day, but I haven't
checked and seen if there areany announcements on any new
Aruba product that's out there.
But the Aruba 5G privatecellular products were
(33:17):
definitely on display and I didget an image.
Stu sent me an image of a Wi-Fistand in the wild and it looked
like a 5G base station that wason a wifi stand.
So, uh, I guess there's got tobe an upcoming 5g stand.
Uh, coming to you soon to makesure that we can take advantage
of that.
So, uh, what else is going on?
(33:38):
Uh, in merger news.
Uh, one and a half billiondollar key sites, spirant
network testing, merger thisgoes back to the whole tool
conversation.
You know.
You know, spirent is has beenaround for a long time and
keysight's got some incredibletools.
But but those two tools comingtogether as a merger, that was
an acquisition that wasannounced a while back and and
it looks like it's finally it'sfinally been approved, so that's
(34:00):
pretty good.
Um, then there's the fcc man,the like.
I can't even comment oneverything that's happening at
the FCC.
Uh, symington left and uh,chairman is Brandon, you know,
brendan Carr.
But now there's a new, anothernew commissioner that's been, or
that's been, named Dude.
There's just like a lot that'shappening at the FCC right now.
(34:22):
Um, senate confirms Oliviatrustee, so a trustees at the
FCC, and that's cool.
I don't know much about her yet.
So, let's see, let's read allthis live.
Let's run down the internetrabbit hole with me.
Senate approval comes after FCCcame to two commissioners,
after Nathra Simington andJeffrey Starks left.
Yeah, they both they out andleft the FCC just kind of
(34:47):
hanging out with twocommissioners.
So now Senate approval forOlivia Trustee is in there.
Let's see.
Telecom industry leaders gavehigh praise to Trustee for her
hard work and extensive publicsector experience.
Next meeting is June 26th,which is mañana, tomorrow.
This is a Trump nominee.
Many telecom industry tradeassociations, blah, blah, blah,
(35:09):
blah, blah, blah blah Doesn'tsay much about Jeffrey Starks.
What are you going to do, man?
Senate 5345, a long party line.
So what are you going to do?
Us Senator Maria Cantwell,democrat from Washington,
ranking member of the SenateCommittee, said she opposed the
nomination of trustees, sayingRepublicans' breach of
longstanding practice to advanceboth Republican and Democratic
(35:31):
nominees.
Okay, I'm not going to even getinto what the hell is going on
from a political perspective,but let's just hope that Mrs
Trustee is a wonderful person.
I hope she's got the bestinterests of wireless in in her
heart, deep, deep in her heart.
So that's pretty cool.
What else is going on?
Um, here we go.
(35:52):
What's happening with cbrs?
What is happening with cbrs?
Man, I shouldn't even look itup.
Um, trying to rebrand.
Rebrand cbrs and move it out ofthe spectrum in the space that
it's already in is what'shappening with cbrs?
At&t's got this thing wherethey're saying, hey, we need to,
we need to move cbrs spectrumand and and allot it.
(36:12):
Uh, um to three.
Point, let's see the 3.1proposing to relocate from its
current 3.5 gig to 3.1 to 3.3.
It would free up 3.5 to 3.7 forexclusive licensed full power
5G.
So they're saying, hey, let ustake over all of this other
spectrum up high and we'll takeall those CBRS guys and then
we'll move them down.
(36:33):
Come on, man, like we just gotthat spectrum.
The only thing that sucks aboutall this is that means that you
know if that happens, peoplejust made, you know, these huge
investments in it and it justit's hard to want to innovate
and do something if you knowthat people like you know, at&t
(36:54):
and these big powers are goingto sit around and try and
relocate your spectrum after awhile.
Like why would you want to makean investment in anything if
you know that lobbying money isgoing to turn around and move
everything that you're trying todo?
Like God, it's like oh, let mejust go back to five gig.
You know what's going to happenwith six gig.
What happens when AT&T decidesyou know what we don't like
where six gigs at.
Let's go lobby against it andtry and push that as well.
(37:15):
Many CBRS users that rely onthe band say it's greedy and
untenable.
But some wireless the idea thatit's going to move something
that people have made, you know,huge investments.
But then again there's thequestion private 5G CBRS is it
viable?
Is it not viable?
I have a conversation that I wasgoing to post for everybody to
(37:39):
listen to, but we had had a lotto drink and I didn't realize
how much we had had to drinkuntil I listened to the
recording, which I might postanyway, just for funsies.
But it was me and a couple ofother industry experts at Cisco
Live sitting in a rooftop bartalking about 5G, like you do,
because that's what we do,because that's you know why.
Talk about the things thatdon't involve wireless.
And I used an example, and I'mnot intoxicated today, so I'm
(38:05):
just going to go ahead and useit again.
I use the example that and thisis from one of my business
partners.
He said private business,private 5G is okay, so hold on.
He told me something and here'show I applied it.
Let me get that straight.
He didn't say it's aboutprivate 5G.
He said about something totallydifferent, but I applied it to
(38:27):
private 5G.
So private 5G is like a cellphone holster.
It is purpose-built, it doesthe job that it's supposed to do
.
It works extremely well whenit's used in that application
and, by all means, it's theperfect accessory to a cell
phone.
There's just one problem.
(38:48):
It's a cell phone holster,right and no.
Like I don't know how manypeople are wearing cell phone
holsters, but not a lot ofpeople that I know wear them for
a number of different reasons,but it's like.
It's like, imagine being theCEO of the cell phone holster
corporation going God, I don'tget it.
Like, I don't get it.
This is the perfect accessoryfor a cell phone.
(39:08):
Why doesn't everybody who has acell phone buy one of these?
And imagine you're an earlyinvestor in it and you're like
oh my God, a cell phone holster.
That's genius.
Everybody who has a cell phoneis going to need one.
Except they didn't Like it justnever took off.
People just don't use them.
You know en masse, like it'sjust not a big thing.
So private 5G and cell phoneholsters have so much in common.
(39:29):
Where does you know when doesprivate 5G make sense for mass
adoption?
I don't know.
That was the intoxicatingconversation that I had with
some great friends at WL, oh,not even at W, at Cisco Live.
Maybe I'll post that becausethat was a lot of fun.
So thought I'd bring that up,just because that was a fun
(39:52):
conversation that we had.
What else do we talk about?
Network X WBA Global Crime.
I talked about all that stuff.
What else is going on?
I haven't even scanned the news, man.
I haven't looked around to seewhat's happening.
Just so much is going on.
Wlpc voting is now open, whichis awesome for Prague.
(40:13):
So make sure, if you'replanning on attending Prague,
you jump on the WLPC website andyou vote for the things that
you want to hear.
There's some really great stuffthat has not been publicly
announced that we're talkingabout doing at Prague, so I'm
going to make every effort toget out there this year to talk
about what we're doing, and someof that is based on what we did
(40:35):
in Phoenix this year, which iswhere we all crammed into one
room and then had to pull thewall apart and go into the
second room so that we could dosome AP testing.
I think it's about time that weget serious about some AP
testing and seeing what realworld performance and results
look like from uh access pointmanufacturers to that note.
One of the things that I'mtotally excited about is sitting
(40:57):
right behind me and and thecamera blurs every once in a
while, but if you look overthere on this little rack that I
have, there's two boxes thereand there's one on the top and
there's some other stuff and akeyboard and things over there.
This is a testing rig fromAletheia and what this allows me
to do is it allows me to takean access point and set it down
(41:22):
and this simulates up to I thinkI'm up to 200 clients, so maybe
150 clients in differentfrequency sets.
So I can do 56 gigahertzclients and 55 gig clients and
52.4 gig clients.
I think is where I'm at on thisone.
But it allows me to run everytype of saturation tests that I
can think of on those accesspoints and get real world
(41:45):
results.
And I've been working with itto make sure that I understand
how it's working and what'sgoing on with it, because if
there's one thing that I have,it's a whole bunch of APs, and
if there's one thing I want toknow, it's how well do they
actually all perform in the sameenvironment?
And this is a test and theseare things that have been done
in our industry for a reallylong time, and so I'm curious
(42:07):
what happens when you load tens,if not hundreds, of APs on
wireless access points and howthey perform, say is, if you
have an access point that you'reinterested in.
This is a really high end pieceof test equipment that is
normally only found inmanufacturers labs or in big
labs to do stuff, and I got onesitting right here.
(42:28):
If you're interested, let meknow.
Let me know which AP you wantme to test.
If I have a great, if I don'thave it and you want to send me
one, let me know and I'll testit, because my goal is to start
running things on that rack andpublishing the results for
everybody to see.
Now is that a scary thing, kindof you know.
But what I'm going to do is I'mgoing to try and calibrate it
as best as possible and then I'mjust going to leave the
(42:49):
settings the way that they are.
I'm going to use a specificlocation where I put down the
wireless access point everysingle time.
If I put it too close, mimodoesn't really get to do the
thing and MLO doesn't really getto do the thing MIMO more than
anything just because of whereit is.
So I'm going to try and maybefind a better place a little bit
(43:10):
further away than right next tothe box.
But once I figure out the bestplace to do this, I'm going to
be able to just run thingsthrough that rack over and over
and over and over again.
Just connect and grab theresults and post the results.
Connect and grab the resultsand post the results, so we'll
see what that means.
Two gig, five gig, six gig.
If you have anything that youwant me to test, let me know.
That's going to be sponsored,obviously, by Aletheia.
They didn't give me any moneyso you know, not necessarily a
sponsorship from that regard,but they did.
(43:31):
Let me play with a reallyexpensive piece can do with it.
So kudos to them for letting metry that out on the bench and
post some information for youall to see.
Anyway, 43 minutes later,that's about it.
I think that was a good update.
I feel like that was a goodupdate.
Cisco Live really dominated thenews cycle, I think for all of
us that were out there.
Next year it goes back to Vegas.
(43:53):
Hp Discover is happening rightnow.
Wlpc is coming up.
I can't encourage you enough togo to WLPC in Prague or in
February.
Make your plans now to join usat WLPC in Phoenix, where you
can, you know, I don't know.
Hang out with us now, have agood time and put faces to names
.
If there's anything I didn'tcover, let me know.
Drop something in the comments.
I appreciate everybody watching.
(44:14):
Um, I really enjoy doing thisand I wish you know's.
Like I said, it's been a busycouple of weeks and I wish I got
a chance to do this more, butsummertime is summertime, so
hopefully I get back on aregular cadence soon.
Anyway, until then, I hope youall have a wonderful week.
If you're at Discover, enjoy HPDiscover.
If you have anything that youwant me to talk about, something
you want me to think about orsomething you want on the front
of my mind, drop me a message,send me a hello.
(44:36):
Uh, fernay, stew mark, uh,everybody on there, man, thank
you for uh.
Thank you for the comments.
There's comments coming in fromyoutube and linkedin and
everywhere else on x?
Um.
September 12th through 16th.
Uh, oh yeah, el 12 deseptiembre.
Uh is wlpc in espanol, inValencia, spain.
(45:00):
That's really cool.
It's going to be beautiful.
It'll be beautiful there.
So September 12th through 16th,but that's right before Prague.
So if you make it to Prague,make it to Prague.
If you want to do it all inSpanish, you can make it out to
Valencia.
Anyway, I hope you all have awonderful week.
Thanks for listening.
It's always good to catch up.
I.
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