Discover how tech industry developments are reshaping our world! This episode of the Waves podcast begins with a look back at our special conversation with Meter and Keith, setting the stage for a rich discussion on the future of technology. Celebrate with us as we approach the milestone of 800 subscribers and address pressing issues like Cisco's upcoming job cuts. Tune in as we dive deep into the wireless industry's latest innovations, featuring Skylo's satellite IoT projects and their game-changing direct-to-device service. Don't miss our insights into Verizon's collaboration with Skylo for emergency messaging solutions, along with a broader analysis of IoT advancements from companies like Astrocast and Satelliot.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How's it going everybody?
Drew Lentz, wireless Nerd.
Today is August 28th, 2024.
And you know, last week we dida little bit of a special
edition.
So, instead of going with thefull podcast, what we did is we
went with an exclusive with acompany called Meter, where they
were announcing their newcommand software, which was
really awesome.
Give us a chance to take abreath and hear from someone
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else.
We had Keith on last week too,which is pretty cool, but man,
that was refreshing.
So this week we're going to jumpback into the typical podcast
stuff.
Let's see what we got.
Yeah, I'm one subscriber awayfrom 800 on the Waves podcast at
Wireless Nerd on YouTube, so Iwonder who it's going to be.
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I wonder if we're going to getto 800 today.
That would be fantastic.
We've got a couple of listenershere on XR ready.
We've got some on YouTube.
We have a couple on LinkedIn,so hello to everybody out there.
We've got a little chat windowup, so if you want to chat,
please feel free to.
Otherwise, don't Send me a text.
Hell, I don't know.
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I hope everybody's having agreat week.
You know this, last couple weekshave been a little bit
different because of some of thelayoff announcements that are
coming.
And, man, you know, I saw thatlayoff announcement from cisco
and it just, it just hurt to seethat.
You know that they were gonnadrop some more of the headcount
and then to see that they werelike, oh yeah, we're gonna do it
, but we're gonna wait.
You know, and they're doingsales kickoff right now.
It's like we're gonna wait tillafter sales kickoff.
You know, one last hurrah invegas, I guess, but now they're.
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You know, the announcements aresupposed to come across next
month, which is such a bummer,dude, especially considering,
man, you know, I know it's notlike they sat there and planned
when they were going to do it,or maybe they did, but it's.
You know, you've got theholidays coming up, you got a
saturated job market.
You've got, you know, so manypeople looking for work.
That's going to be, uh, my, youknow, my, my heart goes out to
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anyone who's going to get that.
Um, but it's, that's where weare.
It's part of.
You know we're in tech, I guess, and that's what happens.
It was.
I was reading an article aboutcompanies that you know, like x
and like tesla and othercompanies that are, you know,
slicing people left and righttesla's.
You know, slicing a couplepeople here and there and
they're like you work for a techcompany, now that that happens.
But anyway, speaking of spacexand and those guys, let's jump
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into what's going on what's new,what's now, what's next, what's
happening in the wirelessindustry right now and all the
buzz it seems like in the lastseven days has been talking
about satellite iot.
Startup skylo is forging aheadwith its satellite iot projects
and launching a direct to device, or d2d, service in north
america after pulling in 37million dollars in venture
funding from bmw, bmw, intel andsamsung.
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Now skylo made thisannouncement and people were
starting to get the buzz aboutit.
It was talking about using3GPP's 5G non-terrestrial
network spec for release 17 andwhat they were going to do with
it, and there was a little bitof talk about how they were
going to leverage it and whatspecifically they were going to
do.
Because the direct-to-devicething, if you don't know, it's
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like when you had T-Mobile madethe announcement that you could
have a T-Mobile device and thatwould communicate with
satellites and it would sharelocation information.
You could do emergency textmessaging, things like that.
This is a satellite talkingdirect to the device in your
pocket, in your hand, clear viewof the sky, so on and so forth.
And then Apple introduced SOSmode with a number of different
carriers on their phone, and nowSkylo popped up and they were
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focusing it seemed like lastweek on the IoT thing, which I
want to talk about in a second.
But then today Verizon haspartnered with California-based
Indian provider Skylo to enabledirect-to-device messaging for
the carrier's customers usingcertain smartphones.
Starting this fall, someVerizon customers will be able
to use emergency messaging andlocation services and sharing
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even when a terrestrial cellularnetwork is not available.
Next year, said the carrier,users can text anywhere.
Now, does that?
I mean, what's the fee involvedin texting anywhere?
It's okay, I mean, it's funny.
If you look up the history oftext messaging I guess the oral
history versus the writtenhistory of text messaging you
learn about how text messagingwasn't even a it enabled and it
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was a service on the phone andpeople started using it and then
it caught like wildfire andthen texting took over.
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It seemed like all of the early2000s.
But now you'll be able to dothat.
You know, low, I'm assumingit's gonna be minimal text
messaging using direct-to-devicesatellite.
So it, you know, interesting.
Astrocast is another one, Idon't know how to say this name,
so I put I put it on here it'sS-A-T-E-L-I-O-T Satelliot,
satelliot, satelliot, astrocastand Satelliot that's a cool name
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.
They're focused on that IoTspace to IoT, if you will.
So when I was at a conferencetwo years ago, I was drinking at
a bar with a guy in Spain whowas telling me about this
constellation of satellites.
God, I wish I could rememberthe name of it.
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They were going to be usedspecifically for IoT and it was
like launch your own IoT serviceby buying time on the satellite
transponders and shooting it upand use it specifically for
your own IoT and it was kind ofahead of its time.
It seemed like man, that'sfascinating.
Now you have three, four, five,six startups that are all
focused on IoT from space.
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So this is satellite to IoT andin one of the articles I think
Fierce Network was talking aboutit.
Yeah, it talked about dude,where's my?
About uh?
It talked about dude, where'smy cow?
It talked about how you know,for the last 10 years, people
have been talking about usingiot to communicate with uh
satellite in space so that youdon't have to worry about
deploying anything terrestrial.
(05:56):
So I don't, you know, I don'tknow it's.
It seemed like it's got a good,that there's a good
understanding what people wantto do with it, but are people
actually doing anything with it?
Hold on, let me check my volume.
Yeah, okay, I can hear myself.
Good, I just didn't know if mylevel's right, so I had to check
that.
Anyway, so satellite, iot, man,all the buzz, and then now
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Verizon jumping on board.
So it's going to be aninteresting space to watch,
especially as more satellitesget launched.
Last couple of episodes we'vetalked a little bit about that.
China's doing their thing,starlink's doing their thing.
Starlink, we're getting ready.
We're prepping over here forthe next launch of Starship.
I did see their booster fallover on one of their ships the
other day.
That's a bummer man.
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They're trying to work out meantime between failures on that.
Who knows failures on that?
You know, who knows?
It could have been a rocky sea,it could have been weird
thrusters, it could have been aseagull flying into it, for all
I know.
But that happened.
So space race is on the spacerace of the 2020s.
So so, cool man, I lucky enough, fortunate enough, if if you
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know me, if you don't know me, Ilive in south texas.
I live right on the us mexicoborder city called mcallen.
I live about an hour and 15away from SpaceX where they're
launching Starship, so it's sucha cool thing to know that I can
drive an hour away and it lookslike a scene out of Gattaca.
It's so awesome.
If you're ever down here, giveme a call.
If you ever want to come downand watch the rockets launch or
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whatever, let me know.
So anyway, that's fascinating.
Satellite IoT stuff andsatellite directed device.
What else is going on Antennas?
So I mentioned this becausewhen I was at a conference it
was the Wi-Fi Now Congress ofthe Americas, america's Congress
, whatever.
It was a thing out in Sarasotaa couple months ago.
Lattice was out there and Ididn't think too much of it.
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I thought, ah, you know, Ididn't really look into it,
didn't think too much of it.
I thought, ah, you know, Ididn't really look into it and I
thought, okay, that's kind ofcool, there's new tech that they
have out there.
But then keith ran a a podcaston the heavy wireless podcast,
showcasing what lattice is doingand how they're doing it, and
it, just it.
It sparked my imaginationbecause the antenna space, it
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seems, is starting to have alittle bit of innovation going
in it and that's always cool.
It's cool to watch any spaceturn around and have something
new.
You know, at CES Metamaterialsalways shows up.
At CES I had a fascinatingconversation with their CEO,
completely on accident, one year, where he was talking about
this new adhesive that theycould put a covering over a
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window and it would help directRF signals in specific
frequencies into the building.
It wasn't necessarily anamplifier, but because of the
material itself, it lent itselfand it was tuned for specific
frequencies to bounce that, thatrf into the building and also
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to push out other rf that couldact as interference sources or
that were offset by, you know,by a certain number of frequency
or certain phase or certainshift.
And man, that was crazy.
Um, let's see if I can.
It's like a film that you putover the windows and nano web, I
think it was.
Yeah, nano web, transparentfilm, antennas guys, y'all
(09:08):
listen.
If you are ever at CES, go checkout the meta booth.
Not meta like FacebookZuckerberg, sad for interfering
elections, meta, but meta, thematerials company, uh, nano web.
So, nuts man, or just getonline metamaterialcom, go take
a look at it.
And when you go to ces theyhave a piece of of a window set
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up in the middle and they'reshooting rf at it, and then
they've got a receiver with thespectrum analyzer on the other
side and you're able to see whathappens when you put the, when
you put the material in place,and so you know along with that
line.
So you talk about Lattice andwhat they're doing, something
similar with what they're doingwith the antenna technology that
they have.
And then I read another articleand I encourage you go listen
(09:55):
to the Heavy Wireless episodeabout Lattice, just so you can
understand a little bit moreabout it.
But then I read another articlethis week at the Superdome
Fierce and is running an articleuh, monica aleven, 11, 11, al
even.
I'm sorry, monica, don't knowhow to pronounce your last name,
but you have a great articletalking about matt sing scoring
(10:16):
big at the new orleans superdomeand I was like, okay, new
orleans superdome, whatever youknow, see what's happening.
And it says a 50 year oldsuperdome is undergoing some
improvement.
A new distributed antennasystem incorporates, matt singh,
spherical lens and wait, whatspherical lens antennas, let's
go, man.
So I had to look this up.
Matt singhcom m-a-t-s-i-n-g.
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They have large sphere antennas,high capacity, multi-band
antennas, ideal for macro venueand events.
They say it's the most advancedantenna, optimal for dense
capacity, rural coverage andindoor capacity.
It's a multi-band for all sixgigahertz spectrum, including
the C-band, and it works foraccommodating up to 48 radios
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and sectors into a singleenclosure.
Go check this out, man.
I kind of want to go to NewOrleans and see what this looks
like and how it works.
And so in the article they goon to explain uh, what, what
this means for them, and ittalks about the neutral host daz
system.
The distributed antenna systemthat's been implemented,
spearheaded by at&t, and verizon, is in the mix as well as
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T-Mobile, and they feature 30multi-beam lens antennas that
need to be operational in timefor the July 4th Essence
Festival of Culture.
They're not your everyday flatpanel antennas, fierce Network
says, which traditionally arebuilt on phased array technology
.
They're spherical antennas thatare attached to the ceiling.
It works kind of like your eye,but instead of light waves, the
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antenna captures radiofrequency waves, said matt sing,
evp and co-founder leo.
But nope, I'm gonna butcher it.
Mattestine, matt, mattestine,mattestine.
Sorry, leo, man, what are yougonna do?
Uh, just like your eye can sendand receive light from multiple
directions, you can send andreceive radio frequencies at the
same time from multipledirections.
One lens antenna can replacedozens of flat panel antennas,
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so the venue can get all thebenefit of additional capacity
to serve all the selfies duringthe game while taking up less
space, um, and it's not doinganything under the seat.
So this was this, you know.
I'm glad I read this article.
They provided 200 single beamlens antennas strategically
installed throughout the stadium, providing multiband and
multi-carrier connectivity.
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It's crazy.
So take a look at that.
If anyone has any informationon this or you've installed it,
go check out the Matt Singhantennas.
That's pretty interesting to me.
I hadn't seen that before, butoverall I think it's really neat
to see innovation happening inthat space.
You know, starting, I reallylike the metamaterial stuff
because it's a film that youstick over a window in a high
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rise or in a in a building orwhatever and allows you to to
easily, you know, work thosesignals out as they come in and
not amplify them, but just clean.
Clean the air as it enters.
Awesome, man, you know what ifthey're listening?
Hey, give me one for my house,let me see how well that works.
I wonder if I could stick it onmy door.
I wonder if it'd work well.
Anyway, speaking of phones andphones working well, there's a
(13:08):
new announcement coming up.
It looks like in uh, in about aweek we're gonna have the
iphone 16 pro and pro maxannouncements and, according to
the people over at macRumors,omg, are they actually going to
include Wi-Fi 7?
.
The upcoming models are widelyexpected to support Wi-Fi 7,
according to Taiwanese supplychain publication DigiTimes.
(13:32):
So it says that Wi-Fi 7 isgoing to be a part of it, and
now I hope it does, because thatwould be awesome and, you know,
hopefully we can order thosesoon.
Does, because that would beawesome, uh, and you know,
hopefully we can order thosesoon.
But wi-fi 6e, you know, was onthe 15 pro and man, I really
hope it does, and it is sportingthe 245 gig and 6 gigahertz
radio, if this would come tofruition.
So keep your fingers crossedfor the iphone 16 supporting
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wi-fi 7.
That would be really, reallyneat.
Um, what else do we have if?
Uh, air 5, check, so check oneout.
Air 5 aims to revitalize cableTV broadband with 5G wireless.
I've read this article nowthree or four times.
It's from RCR Wireless News.
Jeff Kagan over at RCR had apop-up on his radar and it's Air
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5.
And he shared a story about itand started five years ago in
Palo Alto.
A 5G standards-based technologyharmonize different broadband
ecosystems, from wired andwireless, and they want to offer
a more vibrant environment fordevelopment of mobile solutions.
Lots of talk in here, stilltrying to figure out what it
does.
Brown says the new concept Okay, ready.
Let's see if we can decipherthis.
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The new concept lets a 5G-basednetwork network seamlessly
share cables, hybrid fibercoaxial with the industry's
current doxa standard.
So is this a device that goeson to the hfc plant?
Is this a device that connectsvia doxus and then emits 5g
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signals?
It will empower a new wave ofgrowth in innovation for cable
and wireless operators to saveby aligning wireless and wired
broadband networks into a singlecohesive 5g infrastructure.
Their architecture will be moreinnovative and interconnected.
It also will increasecapability.
Air five co-founders, dr JanUdenfeld and Lawrence Glatz, are
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behind the design of today'sleading technology standards and
Air 5.
The Air 5 advisory boardincludes AT&T, synchronos,
stormbreaker Ventures, cisco andComcast.
Also people that have worked atMotorola, google and Charter
Managing director for BluevineClearstone Venture Partners.
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I want to see what this does.
Traditional cable TV is aninflection point on its growth
wave.
It says so.
I don't really know what thisis.
I want to get to the bottom ofit, so if you know, let me know.
I was happy to share that withyou, though it's always fun to
see something that pops up thatyou haven't heard of or
something that you haven't usedbefore, so very interested in
finding out what's going onthere.
(15:58):
Speaking of of different ways touse wireless, uh, itron
announced that it's testingultra or, I'm sorry, low band
spectrum and base stations fromfour different vendors.
It's in the 600 megahertz and900 megahertz range to do data
smart metering using privatecellular networks or using its
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own private cellular networksspecifically for smart metering.
So that space is alwaysevolving and, you know, muni
wireless started doing a lot ofstuff there and then that was
like that was gonna be such agreat thing for wi-fi because
you could put wi-fi in a cityand leverage smart meter with it
.
And it was like, well, maybewe'll use 900 megahertz.
And now there's people going,well, maybe we're gonna use, you
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know, wi-fi halo.
That'd be pretty cool.
Speaking of wi we'll talk aboutthat in a second.
You know it'll be.
It's just more people usingSpectrum for better purposes, or
better utilizing the Spectrum,I think, for their purposes
Wi-Fi Halo.
So EdgeCore introduced the 112.
Is that what it was called?
I want to see this thing theEAP-112, a dual function wi-fi
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halo router and matter gateway.
It's uh, it was cranked out,it's ces, and now it looks like
the weight is over halo from theother side.
I listen, you gotta, you gottalove them for the, for the press
release halo from the otherside.
Maximize the advantage of wi-fihalo with repeater mode.
It says this is an access pointthat supports wi-fi, ble,
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zigbee thread, wi-fi halo andlte in a single ap.
It's the eep 112, eap 112 fromedgecore, and if you know
anything about edgecore, youknow that that means that this
is an open, wi-fi compatibleaccess point that is certified
for halo.
That's awesome.
Wi-fi halo is, is, uh, is largescale wi-fi technology.
(17:56):
Um, it's being, it's beingtouted as is a great replacement
to things that happened in thattraditional 900 megahertz
spectrum.
It's taking wi-fi and making itavailable in 900 megahertz.
Basically, um, you know, itsays the low, low frequency band
below 900 meg, 900 megahertz ofwi-fi halo provides long way,
long range, wide coverage,strong penetration and then
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repeater mode.
You can bounce it and thenbounce it, and bounce it and
bounce it.
So I asked them for a couple ofthese.
Let's see if edgecore comesthrough and ships me a few of
these so I can try it out.
I want to see what repeatermode looks like.
Morse Micro has been testingthis.
It says it can reach aboutthree kilometers, which is
awesome and very low powerconsumption.
So very excited to see whatEdgeCore is doing in that space
and you know Morse Micro has hadsome really good wins.
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But these are technologies andproducts that were talked about
at Wi-Fi Now World Congress.
There were things that we sawwhen they did them.
There was the WBA did theirshow in Dallas and the Wi-Fi
Halo people are there.
I wonder if any of them aregoing to come to WLPC.
That is such a cool group ofpeople to talk to specifically
about these things.
So what else do we have goingon?
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Man From last week things Ididn't cover Kudos to the Palo
Alto CEO, by the way, this issomething we talked about on the
show a little bit Issued aformal apology for the lampshade
models at DEF CON.
Very cool to see that formalapology Totally tone deaf and
whoever approved that one.
So I'm glad to see that thePalo Alto CEO stepped up and
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recognized it.
And I think there was anarticle on Reddit.
I was going to say dig thereyou go.
There was an article thattalked about how it seemed like
it.
You know people are like, oh,it's nothing, you know it's just
a snap, you know a mess upsomewhere.
But then there were so manypeople are like, no, this is a
really big deal and we're reallyglad that Palo Alto CEO came
out and made that formal apology.
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One of the things that waspopped up last week was
eavesdropping on HDMI usingRTL-SDR, so using
software-defined radios to sniffHDMI signals over the air.
And basically what happens isif you have a crappy HDMI cable,
the connector at the end, ifit's not totally sealed, can
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leak some of the RF.
Sam's video explains thechallenges he faced with signal
strength due to the highlyeffective shielding of HDMI
cables.
But to get around it, he showedan unshielded HDMI cable Good
news for privacy.
It shows how effectiveshielding can be at stopping
these kind of attacks.
He then goes on to show theresults he obtained while
reading text from a screen.
So go check out RTL-SDR.
(20:27):
Look up an article calledEavesdropping on HDMI with the
Tempest-SDR and SDR Play.
Just using Tempest-SDR and SDRPlay Very, very fascinating.
You know, it may not meananything if you're trying to
watch someone else's TV and theresolution isn't that good,
you're not going to get like apixel-for-pixel duplication.
But if you're trying to seewhat someone's doing on their
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monitor from, you know, acrossthe street, this is something
that you know.
Make sure you invest in yourhdmi cables.
I'm I've always been a big fanof cables.
Making sure you buy qualitycables.
You know, a while back, thepanduit rep is the one who
really sold me on it and theysaid they walked into a data
center where I was doing thisproject and they said where'd
you get your cables?
I said, oh man, like I don'tknow, you know whatever,
whatever cheap website I boughtthem from and they said, look,
you've got, you know, a milliondollars worth of equipment in
(21:12):
here, tons of users, tons ofdata.
That's running across thisstuff.
It's all going across thecontrol plane of this and you
you invest in, that you'veheavily invested in, is running
across the cheapest cable thatyou could possibly find on the
Internet.
It hasn't been tested, ithasn't been certified, it hasn't
been approved, and so youdecided to save $3 there and
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that absolutely changed the waythat I thought about cables.
So shout out to the Panduit repfor making that recommendation.
Invest in your cables,especially when they are the
most important things in yournetwork.
It's totally worth it andyou're never going to be sad
that you did right, because youdon't have to worry about the
cable.
Same can be said for HDMIcables.
Invest in shielded HDMI cables.
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I remember there was thatconversation about is a coat
hanger better than a monstercable?
That's like old internetfolklore right there and showed
someone connecting speakers witha coat hanger and getting you
know straight copper dude.
Of course, yeah, I mean, comeon anyway, but not shielded
anyway.
So that was from last week.
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What else from last week?
China, oh, routers from china,tp link man, tp link being
called a national securitythreat.
Us lawmakers claim that tp linkisa national security threat.
Well, I don't know.
Oh, I guess we'll see.
So that's that's up for reviewright now.
People are looking at that.
I have a couple articles herefrom ours technica crimson
(22:39):
diamond that's a video game Italked about, uh, two weeks ago.
It's at cga or ega style game.
Go check that out if you'rebored.
Uh, what else that's about it?
Now, just to wrap this up,there are some events coming up,
and so it looks like septemberis going to be a pretty busy
month, as is october, but I willsay, right now coming into
september, this is kind of likethat.
(22:59):
This one of those trade showseasons wi-fi now congress in
geneva is coming up in europeseptember 23rd through 25th.
That's a great conference.
If you don't, if you haven'tfollowed wi-fi now, jump on and
look at that.
If you're in europe or you'reon that side of the pond, make
sure you take a look at that.
It might be something reallyfun to go to.
The one here in the unitedstates is great.
Klaus puts on a great show,lots of great speakers, lots of
great information at that show,so definitely check that out.
(23:22):
Mobile world congress mwc Vegasis happening October 8th through
10th and their thing is 5G forenterprise, which is all the
rage right now.
I've been talking to a coupledifferent providers just today,
talking to a few differentproviders of 5G, 4g and 5G
services and how they're goingto build that into the
enterprise.
And then NAB New York CityNational Association of
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Broadcasters is coming up in NewYork City October 9th and 10th,
followed the next week byWispapalooza, october 14th
through 17th in Vegas.
If you really want to dig intosome fun wireless, go hang out
with the nerds at Wispapalooza.
It's a wireless ISP associationand you get lots of people that
like to roll their sleeves upand get down and dirty and
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operate some of the mostimportant internet service
providers in the United States.
They'll be there atWispapalooza Again.
That's October 14th through17th.
Wlpc Prague right around thecorner.
I am not going to make it thisyear, unfortunately, unless
there's someone who wants tosponsor the podcast and pay for
me to go to Wispapalooza or, I'msorry, to WLPC in Prague.
I'll be happy to go.
If you want to sponsor me, letme know.
(24:24):
I'll be happy to cover whatyou're doing.
I'll be happy to cover all ofit.
Otherwise I will not be inPrague this year, unfortunate,
because I think this is going tobe the last year that it's in
Prague.
I hope everyone has a tremendoustime out there.
The boot camps start October20th through 22nd.
There's already some vendorsand stuff.
They're doing some side thingsthat are going on like the 22nd,
which is kind of cool.
Glad to see a little ecosystembrewing over that.
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Hopefully that makes its wayinto phoenix as well.
The conference is the 23rdthrough the 25th and then, of
course, my favorite show, ces2025, is coming up january 7th
through 10th, and that'sactually not my favorite show.
My favorite favorite show is infebruary and that is wlpc in
phoenix.
So lots of really good stuffcoming up.
You know, and it and it's, it'sgreat.
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I encourage you to get to asmany shows as you can, watch as
much content as you can.
Out there.
There's a lot of shiftshappening in the industry right
now.
Meter dropped some crazinesslast week with their command
platform and they've invitedsome of us to go out there in
October as well to go check outwhat they're doing and get a
behind the scenes, look at allof the meter product and about
(25:28):
command and see what they'redoing and interface with them.
Some great speakers they havelined up.
So if you want to register forit, check out my social media
space.
It's called meter up 2024.
Jump onto any of my socialmedias, look on there.
You can request a seat, anintimate event for industry
leaders in it and networking.
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Meter up is happening october2nd.
It's wednesday, october 2nd,from 9 am to 5 30 pm at the
archery in san francisco.
If you're in the bay area, thisis something that you want to
check out.
Uh, sunil and anil both aregoing to be talking.
Uh, jay, who's a board memberfrom, uh alass, former CEO of
Lacework, will be there.
Keith Parsons will be there.
(26:08):
Sean Morgan will be there fromDel Oro, scott Robohan from the
Network Automation Forum, royChua, who I'm looking forward to
hanging out with and actuallymeeting.
Roy from Avidink will be there.
That's one of the brightestminds in our industry.
Bill Britton will be there.
Who else?
Jerry from Hamina will be there.
Sh will be there.
Who else?
Jerry from hamina will be there.
(26:29):
Uh, shoe bomb from meter willbe there.
Sean rose, uh, nalesh andmichelle wood.
So lots of really cool peoplethat are going to be out talking
.
So check out meter up, go toeventsmetercom, slash meter up
2024 or check my social mediasto to click on the link and find
out what's going on.
But I'm excited for that.
But it's definitely.
I ended up falling down a rabbithole of a conversation talking
about where the state of theindustry is and where meter is
(26:50):
and where nile is and wherenetwork is, the services, and
where that leaves msps and farsand and groups like that.
So maybe that maybe we need tohave just kind of like a
fireside chat about that,because it's it's dude, it's
times, they are a changing.
Anyway, that's all I got.
I know this episode ran kind oflong, but I wanted to catch up
on some of the stuff from lastweek.
I appreciate everyone who islistening.
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I appreciate everyone who tunesin.
I appreciate everyone whosubscribes to the YouTube
channel.
I am almost at my 1,000 peopledeal and I was 1,000 subscribers
and I've hit 800 as of rightnow.
Let's see who was it.
Uh, who was it?
(27:31):
I'm trying to see someone likedit.
New subscriber Bill Wong.
It looks like.
I'm checking my subscribers andI finally hit 800.
So, yay, I've got 800 subs onYouTube, only 200 more and I get
to go to Mexico with my wifeand and let's check.
I want to see if it was BillLong or was it someone else.
Whoever it was, I do appreciateyou subscribing, very, very
(27:54):
cool.
Anyway, I hope you all have awonderful week.
If you have any questions, youwant to talk about anything, let
me know.
Signal Roam is charging ahead,doing some really, really great
stuff.
We had a lot of launches withUbiquity this week.
I've got Ingenious sittingright here beside me, so now
Signal Roam is running.
Signal Roam is my pet project.
In case you didn't know, it'sPasspoint as a service.
I'm doing a lot with it.
I'll drop some ads in here sowe can talk about it.
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But Passpoint as a service Nowit's running on Ubiquity, it's
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on open wi-fi, um, and I've gotsome new, some new stuff, some
new hardware coming in, shippedtoday, new hardware to test out,
to certify that it works onthere.
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Okay, that's it.
Enjoy your week.
Thanks for listening to thewaves podcast.
We'll see you soon.
How's it going everybody?
Drew Lentz, wireless Nerd.
Today is August 28th, 2024.
And you know, last week we dida little bit of a special
edition.
So, instead of going with thefull podcast, what we did is we
went with an exclusive with acompany called Meter, where they
were announcing their newcommand software, which was
really awesome.
Give us a chance to take abreath and hear from someone
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else.
We had Keith on last week too,which is pretty cool, but man,
that was refreshing.
So this week we're going to jumpback into the typical podcast
stuff.
Let's see what we got.
Yeah, I'm one subscriber awayfrom 800 on the Waves podcast at
Wireless Nerd on YouTube, so Iwonder who it's going to be.
(00:44):
I wonder if we're going to getto 800 today.
That would be fantastic.
We've got a couple of listenershere on XR ready.
We've got some on YouTube.
We have a couple on LinkedIn,so hello to everybody out there.
We've got a little chat windowup, so if you want to chat,
please feel free to.
Otherwise, don't Send me a text.
Hell, I don't know.
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I hope everybody's having agreat week.
You know this, last couple weekshave been a little bit
different because of some of thelayoff announcements that are
coming.
And, man, you know, I saw thatlayoff announcement from cisco
and it just, it just hurt to seethat.
You know that they were gonnadrop some more of the headcount
and then to see that they werelike, oh yeah, we're gonna do it
, but we're gonna wait.
You know, and they're doingsales kickoff right now.
It's like we're gonna wait tillafter sales kickoff.
You know, one last hurrah invegas, I guess, but now they're.
(01:28):
You know, the announcements aresupposed to come across next
month, which is such a bummer,dude, especially considering,
man, you know, I know it's notlike they sat there and planned
when they were going to do it,or maybe they did, but it's.
You know, you've got theholidays coming up, you got a
saturated job market.
You've got, you know, so manypeople looking for work.
That's going to be, uh, my, youknow, my, my heart goes out to
(01:52):
anyone who's going to get that.
Um, but it's, that's where weare.
It's part of.
You know we're in tech, I guess, and that's what happens.
It was.
I was reading an article aboutcompanies that you know, like x
and like tesla and othercompanies that are, you know,
slicing people left and righttesla's.
You know, slicing a couplepeople here and there and
they're like you work for a techcompany, now that that happens.
But anyway, speaking of spacexand and those guys, let's jump
(02:16):
into what's going on what's new,what's now, what's next, what's
happening in the wirelessindustry right now and all the
buzz it seems like in the lastseven days has been talking
about satellite iot.
Startup skylo is forging aheadwith its satellite iot projects
and launching a direct to device, or d2d, service in north
america after pulling in 37million dollars in venture
funding from bmw, bmw, intel andsamsung.
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Now skylo made thisannouncement and people were
starting to get the buzz aboutit.
It was talking about using3GPP's 5G non-terrestrial
network spec for release 17 andwhat they were going to do with
it, and there was a little bitof talk about how they were
going to leverage it and whatspecifically they were going to
do.
Because the direct-to-devicething, if you don't know, it's
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like when you had T-Mobile madethe announcement that you could
have a T-Mobile device and thatwould communicate with
satellites and it would sharelocation information.
You could do emergency textmessaging, things like that.
This is a satellite talkingdirect to the device in your
pocket, in your hand, clear viewof the sky, so on and so forth.
And then Apple introduced SOSmode with a number of different
carriers on their phone, and nowSkylo popped up and they were
(03:26):
focusing it seemed like lastweek on the IoT thing, which I
want to talk about in a second.
But then today Verizon haspartnered with California-based
Indian provider Skylo to enabledirect-to-device messaging for
the carrier's customers usingcertain smartphones.
Starting this fall, someVerizon customers will be able
to use emergency messaging andlocation services and sharing
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even when a terrestrial cellularnetwork is not available.
Next year, said the carrier,users can text anywhere.
Now, does that?
I mean, what's the fee involvedin texting anywhere?
It's okay, I mean, it's funny.
If you look up the history oftext messaging I guess the oral
history versus the writtenhistory of text messaging you
learn about how text messagingwasn't even a it enabled and it
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was a service on the phone andpeople started using it and then
it caught like wildfire andthen texting took over.
(04:28):
It seemed like all of the early2000s.
But now you'll be able to dothat.
You know, low, I'm assumingit's gonna be minimal text
messaging using direct-to-devicesatellite.
So it, you know, interesting.
Astrocast is another one, Idon't know how to say this name,
so I put I put it on here it'sS-A-T-E-L-I-O-T Satelliot,
satelliot, satelliot, astrocastand Satelliot that's a cool name
(04:53):
.
They're focused on that IoTspace to IoT, if you will.
So when I was at a conferencetwo years ago, I was drinking at
a bar with a guy in Spain whowas telling me about this
constellation of satellites.
God, I wish I could rememberthe name of it.
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They were going to be usedspecifically for IoT and it was
like launch your own IoT serviceby buying time on the satellite
transponders and shooting it upand use it specifically for
your own IoT and it was kind ofahead of its time.
It seemed like man, that'sfascinating.
Now you have three, four, five,six startups that are all
focused on IoT from space.
(05:35):
So this is satellite to IoT andin one of the articles I think
Fierce Network was talking aboutit.
Yeah, it talked about dude,where's my?
About uh?
It talked about dude, where'smy cow?
It talked about how you know,for the last 10 years, people
have been talking about usingiot to communicate with uh
satellite in space so that youdon't have to worry about
deploying anything terrestrial.
(05:56):
So I don't, you know, I don'tknow it's.
It seemed like it's got a good,that there's a good
understanding what people wantto do with it, but are people
actually doing anything with it?
Hold on, let me check my volume.
Yeah, okay, I can hear myself.
Good, I just didn't know if mylevel's right, so I had to check
that.
Anyway, so satellite, iot, man,all the buzz, and then now
(06:16):
Verizon jumping on board.
So it's going to be aninteresting space to watch,
especially as more satellitesget launched.
Last couple of episodes we'vetalked a little bit about that.
China's doing their thing,starlink's doing their thing.
Starlink, we're getting ready.
We're prepping over here forthe next launch of Starship.
I did see their booster fallover on one of their ships the
other day.
That's a bummer man.
(06:37):
They're trying to work out meantime between failures on that.
Who knows failures on that?
You know, who knows?
It could have been a rocky sea,it could have been weird
thrusters, it could have been aseagull flying into it, for all
I know.
But that happened.
So space race is on the spacerace of the 2020s.
So so, cool man, I lucky enough, fortunate enough, if if you
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know me, if you don't know me, Ilive in south texas.
I live right on the us mexicoborder city called mcallen.
I live about an hour and 15away from SpaceX where they're
launching Starship, so it's sucha cool thing to know that I can
drive an hour away and it lookslike a scene out of Gattaca.
It's so awesome.
If you're ever down here, giveme a call.
If you ever want to come downand watch the rockets launch or
(07:19):
whatever, let me know.
So anyway, that's fascinating.
Satellite IoT stuff andsatellite directed device.
What else is going on Antennas?
So I mentioned this becausewhen I was at a conference it
was the Wi-Fi Now Congress ofthe Americas, america's Congress
, whatever.
It was a thing out in Sarasotaa couple months ago.
Lattice was out there and Ididn't think too much of it.
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I thought, ah, you know, Ididn't really look into it,
didn't think too much of it.
I thought, ah, you know, Ididn't really look into it and I
thought, okay, that's kind ofcool, there's new tech that they
have out there.
But then keith ran a a podcaston the heavy wireless podcast,
showcasing what lattice is doingand how they're doing it, and
it, just it.
It sparked my imaginationbecause the antenna space, it
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seems, is starting to have alittle bit of innovation going
in it and that's always cool.
It's cool to watch any spaceturn around and have something
new.
You know, at CES Metamaterialsalways shows up.
At CES I had a fascinatingconversation with their CEO,
completely on accident, one year, where he was talking about
this new adhesive that theycould put a covering over a
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window and it would help directRF signals in specific
frequencies into the building.
It wasn't necessarily anamplifier, but because of the
material itself, it lent itselfand it was tuned for specific
frequencies to bounce that, thatrf into the building and also
(08:46):
to push out other rf that couldact as interference sources or
that were offset by, you know,by a certain number of frequency
or certain phase or certainshift.
And man, that was crazy.
Um, let's see if I can.
It's like a film that you putover the windows and nano web, I
think it was.
Yeah, nano web, transparentfilm, antennas guys, y'all
(09:08):
listen.
If you are ever at CES, go checkout the meta booth.
Not meta like FacebookZuckerberg, sad for interfering
elections, meta, but meta, thematerials company, uh, nano web.
So, nuts man, or just getonline metamaterialcom, go take
a look at it.
And when you go to ces theyhave a piece of of a window set
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up in the middle and they'reshooting rf at it, and then
they've got a receiver with thespectrum analyzer on the other
side and you're able to see whathappens when you put the, when
you put the material in place,and so you know along with that
line.
So you talk about Lattice andwhat they're doing, something
similar with what they're doingwith the antenna technology that
they have.
And then I read another articleand I encourage you go listen
(09:55):
to the Heavy Wireless episodeabout Lattice, just so you can
understand a little bit moreabout it.
But then I read another articlethis week at the Superdome
Fierce and is running an articleuh, monica aleven, 11, 11, al
even.
I'm sorry, monica, don't knowhow to pronounce your last name,
but you have a great articletalking about matt sing scoring
(10:16):
big at the new orleans superdomeand I was like, okay, new
orleans superdome, whatever youknow, see what's happening.
And it says a 50 year oldsuperdome is undergoing some
improvement.
A new distributed antennasystem incorporates, matt singh,
spherical lens and wait, whatspherical lens antennas, let's
go, man.
So I had to look this up.
Matt singhcom m-a-t-s-i-n-g.
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They have large sphere antennas,high capacity, multi-band
antennas, ideal for macro venueand events.
They say it's the most advancedantenna, optimal for dense
capacity, rural coverage andindoor capacity.
It's a multi-band for all sixgigahertz spectrum, including
the C-band, and it works foraccommodating up to 48 radios
(10:59):
and sectors into a singleenclosure.
Go check this out, man.
I kind of want to go to NewOrleans and see what this looks
like and how it works.
And so in the article they goon to explain uh, what, what
this means for them, and ittalks about the neutral host daz
system.
The distributed antenna systemthat's been implemented,
spearheaded by at&t, and verizon, is in the mix as well as
(11:22):
T-Mobile, and they feature 30multi-beam lens antennas that
need to be operational in timefor the July 4th Essence
Festival of Culture.
They're not your everyday flatpanel antennas, fierce Network
says, which traditionally arebuilt on phased array technology
.
They're spherical antennas thatare attached to the ceiling.
It works kind of like your eye,but instead of light waves, the
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antenna captures radiofrequency waves, said matt sing,
evp and co-founder leo.
But nope, I'm gonna butcher it.
Mattestine, matt, mattestine,mattestine.
Sorry, leo, man, what are yougonna do?
Uh, just like your eye can sendand receive light from multiple
directions, you can send andreceive radio frequencies at the
same time from multipledirections.
One lens antenna can replacedozens of flat panel antennas,
(12:08):
so the venue can get all thebenefit of additional capacity
to serve all the selfies duringthe game while taking up less
space, um, and it's not doinganything under the seat.
So this was this, you know.
I'm glad I read this article.
They provided 200 single beamlens antennas strategically
installed throughout the stadium, providing multiband and
multi-carrier connectivity.
(12:28):
It's crazy.
So take a look at that.
If anyone has any informationon this or you've installed it,
go check out the Matt Singhantennas.
That's pretty interesting to me.
I hadn't seen that before, butoverall I think it's really neat
to see innovation happening inthat space.
You know, starting, I reallylike the metamaterial stuff
because it's a film that youstick over a window in a high
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rise or in a in a building orwhatever and allows you to to
easily, you know, work thosesignals out as they come in and
not amplify them, but just clean.
Clean the air as it enters.
Awesome, man, you know what ifthey're listening?
Hey, give me one for my house,let me see how well that works.
I wonder if I could stick it onmy door.
I wonder if it'd work well.
Anyway, speaking of phones andphones working well, there's a
(13:08):
new announcement coming up.
It looks like in uh, in about aweek we're gonna have the
iphone 16 pro and pro maxannouncements and, according to
the people over at macRumors,omg, are they actually going to
include Wi-Fi 7?
.
The upcoming models are widelyexpected to support Wi-Fi 7,
according to Taiwanese supplychain publication DigiTimes.
(13:32):
So it says that Wi-Fi 7 isgoing to be a part of it, and
now I hope it does, because thatwould be awesome and, you know,
hopefully we can order thosesoon.
Does, because that would beawesome, uh, and you know,
hopefully we can order thosesoon.
But wi-fi 6e, you know, was onthe 15 pro and man, I really
hope it does, and it is sportingthe 245 gig and 6 gigahertz
radio, if this would come tofruition.
So keep your fingers crossedfor the iphone 16 supporting
(13:54):
wi-fi 7.
That would be really, reallyneat.
Um, what else do we have if?
Uh, air 5, check, so check oneout.
Air 5 aims to revitalize cableTV broadband with 5G wireless.
I've read this article nowthree or four times.
It's from RCR Wireless News.
Jeff Kagan over at RCR had apop-up on his radar and it's Air
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5.
And he shared a story about itand started five years ago in
Palo Alto.
A 5G standards-based technologyharmonize different broadband
ecosystems, from wired andwireless, and they want to offer
a more vibrant environment fordevelopment of mobile solutions.
Lots of talk in here, stilltrying to figure out what it
does.
Brown says the new concept Okay, ready.
Let's see if we can decipherthis.
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The new concept lets a 5G-basednetwork network seamlessly
share cables, hybrid fibercoaxial with the industry's
current doxa standard.
So is this a device that goeson to the hfc plant?
Is this a device that connectsvia doxus and then emits 5g
(14:56):
signals?
It will empower a new wave ofgrowth in innovation for cable
and wireless operators to saveby aligning wireless and wired
broadband networks into a singlecohesive 5g infrastructure.
Their architecture will be moreinnovative and interconnected.
It also will increasecapability.
Air five co-founders, dr JanUdenfeld and Lawrence Glatz, are
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behind the design of today'sleading technology standards and
Air 5.
The Air 5 advisory boardincludes AT&T, synchronos,
stormbreaker Ventures, cisco andComcast.
Also people that have worked atMotorola, google and Charter
Managing director for BluevineClearstone Venture Partners.
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I want to see what this does.
Traditional cable TV is aninflection point on its growth
wave.
It says so.
I don't really know what thisis.
I want to get to the bottom ofit, so if you know, let me know.
I was happy to share that withyou, though it's always fun to
see something that pops up thatyou haven't heard of or
something that you haven't usedbefore, so very interested in
finding out what's going onthere.
(15:58):
Speaking of of different ways touse wireless, uh, itron
announced that it's testingultra or, I'm sorry, low band
spectrum and base stations fromfour different vendors.
It's in the 600 megahertz and900 megahertz range to do data
smart metering using privatecellular networks or using its
(16:20):
own private cellular networksspecifically for smart metering.
So that space is alwaysevolving and, you know, muni
wireless started doing a lot ofstuff there and then that was
like that was gonna be such agreat thing for wi-fi because
you could put wi-fi in a cityand leverage smart meter with it
.
And it was like, well, maybewe'll use 900 megahertz.
And now there's people going,well, maybe we're gonna use, you
(16:40):
know, wi-fi halo.
That'd be pretty cool.
Speaking of wi we'll talk aboutthat in a second.
You know it'll be.
It's just more people usingSpectrum for better purposes, or
better utilizing the Spectrum,I think, for their purposes
Wi-Fi Halo.
So EdgeCore introduced the 112.
Is that what it was called?
I want to see this thing theEAP-112, a dual function wi-fi
(17:06):
halo router and matter gateway.
It's uh, it was cranked out,it's ces, and now it looks like
the weight is over halo from theother side.
I listen, you gotta, you gottalove them for the, for the press
release halo from the otherside.
Maximize the advantage of wi-fihalo with repeater mode.
It says this is an access pointthat supports wi-fi, ble,
(17:31):
zigbee thread, wi-fi halo andlte in a single ap.
It's the eep 112, eap 112 fromedgecore, and if you know
anything about edgecore, youknow that that means that this
is an open, wi-fi compatibleaccess point that is certified
for halo.
That's awesome.
Wi-fi halo is, is, uh, is largescale wi-fi technology.
(17:56):
Um, it's being, it's beingtouted as is a great replacement
to things that happened in thattraditional 900 megahertz
spectrum.
It's taking wi-fi and making itavailable in 900 megahertz.
Basically, um, you know, itsays the low, low frequency band
below 900 meg, 900 megahertz ofwi-fi halo provides long way,
long range, wide coverage,strong penetration and then
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repeater mode.
You can bounce it and thenbounce it, and bounce it and
bounce it.
So I asked them for a couple ofthese.
Let's see if edgecore comesthrough and ships me a few of
these so I can try it out.
I want to see what repeatermode looks like.
Morse Micro has been testingthis.
It says it can reach aboutthree kilometers, which is
awesome and very low powerconsumption.
So very excited to see whatEdgeCore is doing in that space
and you know Morse Micro has hadsome really good wins.
(18:39):
But these are technologies andproducts that were talked about
at Wi-Fi Now World Congress.
There were things that we sawwhen they did them.
There was the WBA did theirshow in Dallas and the Wi-Fi
Halo people are there.
I wonder if any of them aregoing to come to WLPC.
That is such a cool group ofpeople to talk to specifically
about these things.
So what else do we have goingon?
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Man From last week things Ididn't cover Kudos to the Palo
Alto CEO, by the way, this issomething we talked about on the
show a little bit Issued aformal apology for the lampshade
models at DEF CON.
Very cool to see that formalapology Totally tone deaf and
whoever approved that one.
So I'm glad to see that thePalo Alto CEO stepped up and
(19:21):
recognized it.
And I think there was anarticle on Reddit.
I was going to say dig thereyou go.
There was an article thattalked about how it seemed like
it.
You know people are like, oh,it's nothing, you know it's just
a snap, you know a mess upsomewhere.
But then there were so manypeople are like, no, this is a
really big deal and we're reallyglad that Palo Alto CEO came
out and made that formal apology.
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One of the things that waspopped up last week was
eavesdropping on HDMI usingRTL-SDR, so using
software-defined radios to sniffHDMI signals over the air.
And basically what happens isif you have a crappy HDMI cable,
the connector at the end, ifit's not totally sealed, can
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leak some of the RF.
Sam's video explains thechallenges he faced with signal
strength due to the highlyeffective shielding of HDMI
cables.
But to get around it, he showedan unshielded HDMI cable Good
news for privacy.
It shows how effectiveshielding can be at stopping
these kind of attacks.
He then goes on to show theresults he obtained while
reading text from a screen.
So go check out RTL-SDR.
(20:27):
Look up an article calledEavesdropping on HDMI with the
Tempest-SDR and SDR Play.
Just using Tempest-SDR and SDRPlay Very, very fascinating.
You know, it may not meananything if you're trying to
watch someone else's TV and theresolution isn't that good,
you're not going to get like apixel-for-pixel duplication.
But if you're trying to seewhat someone's doing on their
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monitor from, you know, acrossthe street, this is something
that you know.
Make sure you invest in yourhdmi cables.
I'm I've always been a big fanof cables.
Making sure you buy qualitycables.
You know, a while back, thepanduit rep is the one who
really sold me on it and theysaid they walked into a data
center where I was doing thisproject and they said where'd
you get your cables?
I said, oh man, like I don'tknow, you know whatever,
whatever cheap website I boughtthem from and they said, look,
you've got, you know, a milliondollars worth of equipment in
(21:12):
here, tons of users, tons ofdata.
That's running across thisstuff.
It's all going across thecontrol plane of this and you
you invest in, that you'veheavily invested in, is running
across the cheapest cable thatyou could possibly find on the
Internet.
It hasn't been tested, ithasn't been certified, it hasn't
been approved, and so youdecided to save $3 there and
(21:36):
that absolutely changed the waythat I thought about cables.
So shout out to the Panduit repfor making that recommendation.
Invest in your cables,especially when they are the
most important things in yournetwork.
It's totally worth it andyou're never going to be sad
that you did right, because youdon't have to worry about the
cable.
Same can be said for HDMIcables.
Invest in shielded HDMI cables.
(21:56):
I remember there was thatconversation about is a coat
hanger better than a monstercable?
That's like old internetfolklore right there and showed
someone connecting speakers witha coat hanger and getting you
know straight copper dude.
Of course, yeah, I mean, comeon anyway, but not shielded
anyway.
So that was from last week.
(22:18):
What else from last week?
China, oh, routers from china,tp link man, tp link being
called a national securitythreat.
Us lawmakers claim that tp linkisa national security threat.
Well, I don't know.
Oh, I guess we'll see.
So that's that's up for reviewright now.
People are looking at that.
I have a couple articles herefrom ours technica crimson
(22:39):
diamond that's a video game Italked about, uh, two weeks ago.
It's at cga or ega style game.
Go check that out if you'rebored.
Uh, what else that's about it?
Now, just to wrap this up,there are some events coming up,
and so it looks like septemberis going to be a pretty busy
month, as is october, but I willsay, right now coming into
september, this is kind of likethat.
(22:59):
This one of those trade showseasons wi-fi now congress in
geneva is coming up in europeseptember 23rd through 25th.
That's a great conference.
If you don't, if you haven'tfollowed wi-fi now, jump on and
look at that.
If you're in europe or you'reon that side of the pond, make
sure you take a look at that.
It might be something reallyfun to go to.
The one here in the unitedstates is great.
Klaus puts on a great show,lots of great speakers, lots of
great information at that show,so definitely check that out.
(23:22):
Mobile world congress mwc Vegasis happening October 8th through
10th and their thing is 5G forenterprise, which is all the
rage right now.
I've been talking to a coupledifferent providers just today,
talking to a few differentproviders of 5G, 4g and 5G
services and how they're goingto build that into the
enterprise.
And then NAB New York CityNational Association of
(23:42):
Broadcasters is coming up in NewYork City October 9th and 10th,
followed the next week byWispapalooza, october 14th
through 17th in Vegas.
If you really want to dig intosome fun wireless, go hang out
with the nerds at Wispapalooza.
It's a wireless ISP associationand you get lots of people that
like to roll their sleeves upand get down and dirty and
(24:04):
operate some of the mostimportant internet service
providers in the United States.
They'll be there atWispapalooza Again.
That's October 14th through17th.
Wlpc Prague right around thecorner.
I am not going to make it thisyear, unfortunately, unless
there's someone who wants tosponsor the podcast and pay for
me to go to Wispapalooza or, I'msorry, to WLPC in Prague.
I'll be happy to go.
If you want to sponsor me, letme know.
(24:24):
I'll be happy to cover whatyou're doing.
I'll be happy to cover all ofit.
Otherwise I will not be inPrague this year, unfortunate,
because I think this is going tobe the last year that it's in
Prague.
I hope everyone has a tremendoustime out there.
The boot camps start October20th through 22nd.
There's already some vendorsand stuff.
They're doing some side thingsthat are going on like the 22nd,
which is kind of cool.
Glad to see a little ecosystembrewing over that.
(24:45):
Hopefully that makes its wayinto phoenix as well.
The conference is the 23rdthrough the 25th and then, of
course, my favorite show, ces2025, is coming up january 7th
through 10th, and that'sactually not my favorite show.
My favorite favorite show is infebruary and that is wlpc in
phoenix.
So lots of really good stuffcoming up.
You know, and it and it's, it'sgreat.
(25:07):
I encourage you to get to asmany shows as you can, watch as
much content as you can.
Out there.
There's a lot of shiftshappening in the industry right
now.
Meter dropped some crazinesslast week with their command
platform and they've invitedsome of us to go out there in
October as well to go check outwhat they're doing and get a
behind the scenes, look at allof the meter product and about
(25:28):
command and see what they'redoing and interface with them.
Some great speakers they havelined up.
So if you want to register forit, check out my social media
space.
It's called meter up 2024.
Jump onto any of my socialmedias, look on there.
You can request a seat, anintimate event for industry
leaders in it and networking.
(25:48):
Meter up is happening october2nd.
It's wednesday, october 2nd,from 9 am to 5 30 pm at the
archery in san francisco.
If you're in the bay area, thisis something that you want to
check out.
Uh, sunil and anil both aregoing to be talking.
Uh, jay, who's a board memberfrom, uh alass, former CEO of
Lacework, will be there.
Keith Parsons will be there.
(26:08):
Sean Morgan will be there fromDel Oro, scott Robohan from the
Network Automation Forum, royChua, who I'm looking forward to
hanging out with and actuallymeeting.
Roy from Avidink will be there.
That's one of the brightestminds in our industry.
Bill Britton will be there.
Who else?
Jerry from Hamina will be there.
Sh will be there.
Who else?
Jerry from hamina will be there.
(26:29):
Uh, shoe bomb from meter willbe there.
Sean rose, uh, nalesh andmichelle wood.
So lots of really cool peoplethat are going to be out talking
.
So check out meter up, go toeventsmetercom, slash meter up
2024 or check my social mediasto to click on the link and find
out what's going on.
But I'm excited for that.
But it's definitely.
I ended up falling down a rabbithole of a conversation talking
about where the state of theindustry is and where meter is
(26:50):
and where nile is and wherenetwork is, the services, and
where that leaves msps and farsand and groups like that.
So maybe that maybe we need tohave just kind of like a
fireside chat about that,because it's it's dude, it's
times, they are a changing.
Anyway, that's all I got.
I know this episode ran kind oflong, but I wanted to catch up
on some of the stuff from lastweek.
I appreciate everyone who islistening.
(27:11):
I appreciate everyone who tunesin.
I appreciate everyone whosubscribes to the YouTube
channel.
I am almost at my 1,000 peopledeal and I was 1,000 subscribers
and I've hit 800 as of rightnow.
Let's see who was it.
Uh, who was it?
(27:31):
I'm trying to see someone likedit.
New subscriber Bill Wong.
It looks like.
I'm checking my subscribers andI finally hit 800.
So, yay, I've got 800 subs onYouTube, only 200 more and I get
to go to Mexico with my wifeand and let's check.
I want to see if it was BillLong or was it someone else.
Whoever it was, I do appreciateyou subscribing, very, very
(27:54):
cool.
Anyway, I hope you all have awonderful week.
If you have any questions, youwant to talk about anything, let
me know.
Signal Roam is charging ahead,doing some really, really great
stuff.
We had a lot of launches withUbiquity this week.
I've got Ingenious sittingright here beside me, so now
Signal Roam is running.
Signal Roam is my pet project.
In case you didn't know, it'sPasspoint as a service.
I'm doing a lot with it.
I'll drop some ads in here sowe can talk about it.
(28:15):
But Passpoint as a service Nowit's running on Ubiquity, it's
running on Ingenious, it'srunning on ruckus, it's running
on open wi-fi, um, and I've gotsome new, some new stuff, some
new hardware coming in, shippedtoday, new hardware to test out,
to certify that it works onthere.
Uh, so stay tuned.
(28:36):
Look for the stickers to beposted.
I'm having a really good timedoing that.
If you want more information orseven day free trial, let me
know.
Okay, that's it.
Enjoy your week.
Thanks for listening to thewaves podcast.
We'll see you soon.
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