The Path to Peace with Elle Macpherson’s Life Coach Paul Walsh #30

In this inspiring episode, we sit down with Paul Walsh, renowned life coach to supermodel and wellness pioneer Elle Macpherson. We dive deep into his coaching philosophy, with a special focus on finding peace in a chaotic world, offering practical strategies for cultivating inner calm and unlocking personal potential. Whether you’re seeking to elevate your own life or curious about the power of coaching, this conversation offers actionable wisdom and inspiration for walking the path to peace with purpose.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
So First off, Paul, I want to thank you.
Not only is this your second time, but you are one of the
first guests that I have recorded with for Season 3 of
the podcast. I'm so happy to get to talk to
you because last time I talked to you there were a lot of
questions I didn't get to ask and now I get to ask them and
I'm really excited for the conversation we're going to have

(00:21):
today. Me too.
Thank you very much. I really appreciate this
opportunity to share. I always love to share the stuff
that can help not only you and Iwho are chatting here with each
other, but anyone who's listening because I do believe
in in bringing what was otherwise very esoteric kind of

(00:41):
understandings and tools in lifeto bring them forward to people
and use them everyday. You know, it's like making it
absolutely normal and natural rather than some pie in the sky
kind of approach this stuff because it's not, it's very
grounded. Yeah.
So I wanted to start off the conversation really by asking

(01:03):
you, what do you do and why do you do it?
Yeah. What do I do?
Many people ask me that. Not many people ask me why.
I appreciate that. Thank you.
What I do is, as I describe it to most people, I describe it as
helping people change their lifein a sort of upward way in an,

(01:27):
in an empowering, enlivening, enriching way.
You know what I mean? And that's really what I do.
And I'm, I, I, I endeavour, if you like to, what I do is I
assist them to integrate universal law.

(01:48):
It's not something, you know, I sort of make up in the head or
anything. Maybe, maybe it's something I do
my own unique way, which I thinkit is.
But they are universal laws. They are cosmic law that that,
that govern. I mean that in a little
limiting, but a directional term.

(02:09):
They govern our lives and give us great opportunity and power
and access to infinite wisdom and everything these laws of how
life and reality functions. And that's what I, that's what I
bring into play with the people I work with and I apply it to

(02:29):
their own unique daily lives andcircumstances that finding a bit
tricky at the time or, or exceeding difficult, which way
you look at it, you know, but and, and it's, and it's very
fulfilling to see that come forth, you know, and I do it
because I don't know how to express it.

(02:56):
I don't, I don't want it to sound kind of self interested or
anything, but I, I love it. Yeah, I love it.
And, and I, I, I do it because it's helping them and in helping
them, it helps the entire planetbecause there is a, there is a
big shift in consciousness goingon.
You can see the bedlam of it in the last 20 years as it hits and

(03:21):
it's the energy of love and it hits with, you know, it suddenly
crashes into the energy of fear that we've all lived in.
It's really disturbing, you know, but when, when it's like
doing it one life at a time, youknow, I can work with somebody
and their frequency rises, theirconsciousness rises.

(03:42):
Now, as they do that, their little in the graph of, of human
consciousness going through wherever billions of people are
left on the planet, the the little graph of our
consciousness goes like this is a high or low, whatever, and it
brings one of them up. Well, if when that happens, it's
brought the whole level up to a certain degree to incorporate

(04:05):
that. And so each time one person
makes a loving decision instead of a fearful 1, makes a
conscious effort to maintain their connectedness with
everything, with the, with the cosmos, with life and, and be

(04:28):
more aware of it every time theymake loving decisions and
meditate or whatever it is they want to be doing and how they
want to engage it, it is raisingthe, the, the, the consciousness
of our species. You know, that's, and, and that
I'm particularly interested in even on the corporate work I do.

(04:49):
I, I work with brands and corporations in in an effort to
get them and their communications and their
intentions behind their productsand their brand to be aligned
with that higher intention for humanity.
And they find them that they, they flourish instead of feeling

(05:12):
this in this terrible pressure coming on.
Because anything, if you're operating under that control and
fear consciousness or languagingand everything in it, then it's
becoming harder and harder to that's why I see some
desperation out there, you know,because people are trying to
hold on to the familiar old fearbased stuff and a lot to do with

(05:34):
commerce and whatnot and governance and everything else
like that. It's quite distressing.
So as soon as you surrender, youknow, and say, OK, I embrace the
I embrace whatever love means orwhatever my own higher
consciousness means. I, you know, show me, you know,
show me the journey sort of thing.

(05:54):
Immediately the pressure's gone.Yeah.
So I do it for those many reasons of a relief and moving
into the higher, higher consciousness here on all levels
you. In, in explaining this, you, you
said you want people to make a conscious effort.
What does that mean? Because I've heard people say,

(06:16):
oh, you just put your effort, you do the thing, right.
It's all about, I feel like whenyou, what do you, what do you
mean when you say a conscious effort?
Deliberate deliberately doing that.
I'll tell you what. Actually, I'll probably not.
I'd probably like to correct that because if it's not the
word, I'm using colloquialisms there, but but there's a little

(06:38):
bit of a sort of barbed wire response.
If you say disciplined people go, oh, you know, but actually
the disciplines are it's learning self love and
deliberately doing the things, doing life the way that promotes
yourself, love and your apartment and empowerment and

(06:59):
everything and promotes it instead of unwittingly flopping
back into the the way the the world has been for millennia.
You know, and how we've struggled with all of the, the
fear and control and all of thatsort of stuff and conflict and

(07:21):
dreadful sort of things we managed to put up with and we
do. That's like the default
mechanism. I would like to see the default
mechanism be 1 of love and upliftment and empowerment and
mutual power and and effortlessness.

(07:41):
That's one of the, I think people forget to ask when I'm
trying to manifest stuff is makeit effortless.
Yeah, You know, I personally, I didn't want struggle.
Maybe I'm just lazy, but but I don't see a use in it to be
quite honest. Although we do have some people
do have a distorted idea that ifit's a real struggle, it's been

(08:01):
worth it. When they get it, they feel like
they're justified. No, that's just not the way it
works. But anyway.
Yeah, I heard, I, I heard this this pastor say this one time he
goes, people always tell me no pain, no gain.
He was like, how about just no pain?
No pain, Just how about that like.
I love it. Yeah, that's true.

(08:22):
That's so true. But and we've been given all
these little adages that we think are real and that we think
they mean something, but actually they are really a
mistake. You know, they're misleading.
And whether or not they were given to us for some other
reason, I don't it doesn't matter.
But it's not for us to buy into it anymore.
We go, hey, hang on a minute, wake up and go no more.

(08:45):
And one of the things with that,another part of my work is
giving people what's the alternative.
We see it's our life flooded with these things that are
normal. You know that they are
normalized, but they're extremely destructive and
painful and and traumatic, but they're normal.

(09:08):
I like to think of what is natural for us, and that is a
very, very different kettle of fish.
You know what's natural for us and it comes effortlessly.
It's one of the beautiful thingsabout getting in alignment with
the shift that's going on is that things become effortless.
I mean, people who can't believeit, I mean people who, and you

(09:30):
can take people who have a very,very struggles in life because
they have nothing that all they've ever known is
struggling, blah, blah, blah. And at the other end of the
scale, you've got people with a lot of resources and money and
opportunity and stuff like that.It doesn't matter which one.
Now they go, how could that be so easy?
How could that be so effortless,you know?
Hello, welcome to the that aligned journey, you know?

(09:53):
Yeah. Yeah, I, I was just thinking
when you talked about effortlessness and how there are
things that are normal. It's not normal to say I will
never struggle. Everything that I, everything
that I put my mind to, I will achieve.
That's not a normal thing to do.That maybe was a normal thing to
do. But I can guarantee you that

(10:14):
100% of the times that you doubtyourself, there is going to be a
higher percentage set percentageof failure.
It's not going to be 100%, but it's going you're boosting your
if you believe you can fail, youcan fail.
It's not going to happen every single time.
But I've I've learned that in mylife when I have never doubted
myself. Like I don't doubt that I can

(10:35):
pick up this glass of water. I know that that's something
that I believe to be true every single time.
But imagine if I was scared to like that.
There are things that we do thatwe limit ourselves with and who
knows how far our intention and our belief and our our of
inability to doubt. Where could that could take us,

(10:56):
you know? There is no limit.
That's the point. There is no limit.
And, and the fact that we're buried in this ocean of
limitation that we've bought into and that we persist with
unwittingly, like I say, and it becomes a norm, shows how
powerful we are. Because if we can create that

(11:16):
kind of shambles, that kind of agony and conflict and
discontent and pain in our lives, if we can do that, how
brilliant is that? And that's what we've done Now.
It's like, oh, hang on a minute.It's like when I wrote my first
book from Adams to Angels, I used to get emails and that and

(11:38):
comments from people going, but I didn't, I didn't create that
because a lot of it's got to do with creation, you know, And I
said, I wouldn't have created that.
No, you wouldn't have had you known.
But I don't know about you, but I never got given a handbook
when I was born which said, hey,you know, this is what it's
actually about. That stuff out there is a is a

(12:00):
absolute illusion. Yeah, I would have loved to have
had that handbook. That's why I wrote one.
Yeah, yeah. And I think, I think when it
comes to seeing the illusion of the things that are are either
we place on ourselves or things that are placed on us, I think
that obviously things that are placed on us, we can rise above

(12:20):
that. But also, I do think there is an
aspect where the people that aredeveloping us and growing us,
our parents, our families, our friends, our mentors, whoever
that is, they can have a limitedmindset and that can hurt us,
but they could also be doing good.
And you can't resent them for being like, Oh, you limited me
because that's just the world welive in is that world.

(12:41):
Now, Thankfully, there are people like you out there who
are helping the world change oneperson at a time, which is
amazing. And hopefully this podcast will
change so many people. But I I think as well, like, how
do we rise above the limitations?
Like when I'm, I mean, I'm 18 years old.

(13:02):
I don't know when I'm going to have a kid.
Probably not super soon, but what as like a future father?
Like what can I do to raise my kid in a world without
limitation? In a world where everything
says, that stuff is limited. Yeah, that's tricky.
But the point is how you are being is what will affect or

(13:26):
influence the growth of that boyor girl that that new being in
your life, you know. So that's what will influence
it. How you are being because you as
a parent, you would be any parent is an illustration.

(13:50):
It's a example of unconditional love.
You got to remember that that baby has arrived from an
environment of utter unconditional love.
It knows nothing else. And so when it comes into the
world, it goes, oh, this must beunconditional love.
Now, there could be a lot of really tricky and peculiar stuff

(14:12):
that can go on there that they assume then and learn, you know,
is unconditional love and it canbe utter control and fear and
limitation. And most of it's in one way or
another. And as you say, it's no, there
is no benefit in blame. I think blame is a waste, an

(14:34):
utter waste of space and a misconception of our
responsibilities because if we blame that we think somebody
else's default, you know, numberone, there is no fault.
You know, there's nothing wrong.It's just a learning
environment. Yeah.
Two, anything out there, anything out here in my life is

(14:56):
me. It's not there.
So there's no point in, you know, you can't.
There's no point in trying to change the outside world and
then to match this because it already is.
It's already matching this. Yeah.
And when we do that, we tend to not blame.
And so we, we, when you get in that space, you and you then

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Let's get back into the episode.I like cosmic love, or if you

(16:04):
like universal love. Mm Hmm.
Which is allowance? That's the best way to describe
it. And I said then you find more,
find yourself more willing and able to allow someone to be on
their journey because the alternative is to control them.
So they met your own needs or your own expectations or your
own beliefs. So it doesn't impact our ego.

(16:26):
So I don't want to take my ego. So, you know, manipulate it to
that's what's going on in the world basically.
But if you give birth, well, I, I don't know, I doubt the new
personal when, when you, when you become a parent and you have

(16:46):
that mindset, that child is thenexposed.
It's immersed in that ocean of allowance, that ocean of genuine
love. Here you go.
And they will grow accordingly. But it's a huge discipline soul
and you know, as you've said yourself, is there's that world
of just craziness and distraction out there that it's

(17:12):
all kinds of stuff that just incomprehensible to some,
incomprehensible that we don't comprehend it to others.
You know, it's like, but but it's, and it's such a huge
proportion of it has been there for vast pasts and it's been

(17:34):
their almost blanket coverage. So it has become normalized.
But that does not mean it's natural and it does not mean
it's healthy. Like, you know, just because
something's popular, which it seems to be because what it
keeps doing it or maybe they don't have the alternative.
That's where I come in. Or you come in yourself.

(17:57):
There you go. But just because something's
popular does not make it right. Yeah.
And equally, unfortunately, justfor something is right, that's
not, like, popular. Yeah.
And that's what we're stuck with.
So it does come down to one life, one heart, one soul at a
time, making those adjustments in themselves and then every

(18:18):
other soul around them, especially a little being, It's
a sponge for what's around. It just goes.
And it just assimilates that I've seen.
I met this couple who lived on lighthouses for like 20 years
and they just loved the isolation of it.
And that had two kids and those kids were extraordinary.

(18:41):
They were not, how can I put they were children.
Don't get me wrong, they were, they were like, you know, about
10 and 12, something like Vietnam.
Exactly. And but they had had this
maturity about them, but they hadn't lost their childhood.
They hadn't lost their childness, you know, in it,

(19:05):
hadn't lost that, but they had this spiritually mature view of
life that had no question marks in it.
It was just, it's beautiful, yousee, because they were isolated
from all of that. Yeah, I, I mean, I can speak for
myself. I've always been, people have
said an old soul. I've always grown up around the

(19:28):
adults and that's always been mylife.
I was, I felt more comfortable around adults than I did kids my
age. And I had a very interesting
childhood growing up traveling with my dad, meeting amazing
people like Elle, like you, likeall of these people.
I've, I've just grown up meetingsome of the most fantastic
people and, and even people thatpeople would put on a pedestal

(19:51):
like celebrities and famous people.
And what I've learned is just, we're all people.
Like we're all people. Like there's no difference
between me and Gwyneth Paltrow. I've met her.
She's just a normal lady. Who?
Financially. Financially, but.
No, you don't look the same either, but true, true, true,
true. But like there's no difference.

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But we're all people. We all value the same things.
And even though she has the money and the cars and whatever
the thing that like people wouldlook on the outside and say that
that makes her, her like she's, she's made it, that's not what
it is. She loves her family.
That's her most important thing.She loves her kids more than
anything. Like that's the most valuable
thing. And there are these, like you

(20:35):
said, you said, universal laws. There are these universal things
that are more valuable than anything else.
And no amount of money or physical items will replace what
you get from those universally valuable things.
Like they're so valuable, nothing can compare to it.
And I mean, I'd love for you to go over what you've found

(20:58):
throughout your whole life of like what, what have been for
you those universally valuable things.
I have always, like I said, my once I Click to all of this,
which is back in the 80s, basically 1980s, I'm sorry, but

(21:18):
but anyway, and I started a meditation regimen and my life
just began click, click, click, notch, notch, notch at a time,
transform. You know, I look back sometimes
I go that never used to happen. What's happened?

(21:39):
You know, it's like in a way, I couldn't keep up with it, you
know, but it's, it is connectingwith nature.
And what I've found is, and I learned through my meditations,
my meditations that come back that were quite unusual, as it
happens, but I didn't, I think they were normal because I only
knew my own meditations. I don't go into other people's
words, you know, and I learned these, you know, cosmic law,

(22:04):
laws or universal laws or principles as I it's not really,
it's law like LORE as much as LAWR.
You know, there's a difference between law, what's legal and
what's lawful. Well, when you come back to
natural law or cosmic law, theseare things that whatever we do

(22:25):
or say or think or wish or whatever, you can't change them.
Yeah. But if you conflict with them,
they're going to hurt. And that, yes, that that doesn't
make them bad. It means we made the mistake.
You know what I mean? Like, my goodness, where did I
conflict with that? How did I, how did I bring that

(22:45):
about for myself? And then all of those painful,
traumatic instances in our life teach us our spiritual
responsibility here. And it's extremely empowering.
That's the part that I found. It doesn't matter what was going
on in my life, I learned that it's an empowering experience to

(23:08):
be here in this embodiment in amongst this kind of bizarre
world we're in, You know, and, and being self aware and self
determined or self reliant, selfresponsible is massively
educational, spiritually speaking massively.

(23:31):
And and you can't avoid it once you step into it, you can't
avoid learning. So if you start meditating as a
simple thing, which I highly recommend, you just Start
learning because your life experiences are compelled to
change as you change. And so you see them happening.
You go hang on a minute. That's not what I'm used to.

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And some people get upset about it, but the reason is you're not
who you used to be, you know, and, and that's the growth
process. But we can get locked into
thinking we are meant to be likethat over there, or we're
supposed to emulate them over there, or whatever's like that,
instead of the one thing we are meant to do is be our unique

(24:18):
selves. Yeah.
And, and honor that, you know, express it into the world,
however it comes to you. And then the question is, well,
how do I identify that though? Yes.
Well, if it feels like conflict and pain and crap in your life
and it's going to be, it's goingto be it's, it's not resonating

(24:41):
with the with the loving self that's naturally within you.
A question that I have when you,when you talk about that is so
let's say for instance, me, right, my podcast.
I love when I'm in the moment here with you right now.
This is probably when I'm happiest other than when I'm

(25:01):
drumming. I love drumming so much and and
nothing fulfills me more than that.
But right now I'm in a state of bliss.
I love being here with you. But, and this is following my
passion and, and the thing I wascreated here to do.
But there are also some aspects of this that I don't like.
I don't like having to post things on social media.
I don't like having to set up some stuff like there are things

(25:24):
that are maybe don't make me feel as great as I feel right
now. So are those things is that just
kind of what happens is there are going to be some tough
things for a reward or how wouldwhat would?
What do you think about that idea?
Number one, number one, I believe it's, it's what I've

(25:46):
experienced the way people handle their life or have
handled it in the past and it's been quite destructive for them.
It's just to throw out things that have some conflict in them
because they're so avoiding conflict.
They're so avoiding the struggleor the pain or whatever they
want to because the other part looks so fantastic because it
feels great. You know, why wouldn't you want

(26:07):
more of that? Of course, The thing is, it's
just reminding you that The thing is to take like do a stock
take, you know, like in a business or something and you've
got to shop or whatever it is and you take a stock, stock
take. Well, do a stock take of the
things that you do love about your life.
If it's your work, then what arethe things I do love about it?

(26:31):
And make sure you never forget those.
You may also encounter things that are not crazy happy for you
or whatever you know or whateverthey're challenging.
OK, that's teaching you something.
Any challenge in it is teaching you something valuable.
And it's, it's all about making self loving decisions again and

(26:55):
maybe a self loving choice for you or a self loving decision so
that you can spend more time on more of the, the interaction,
which you're obviously that is your Forte and your passion in
there. Maybe that means liberating your
other time and giving it to someone else to do those things.

(27:17):
And there are people out there who absolutely relish doing all
of those organizational things. I'm not one of them.
So so I do, I get, I get faced with the same thing, but it
always makes me, for me, I look at it, I go, here it is again.
There's that same thing. It's like travel for other than
I've spent mass amount of my years traveling a lot, you know,

(27:44):
and organizing that travel is something I don't relish doing.
I try and get out of the way as quick as I can.
So I'll get on with what I really want to do, which is have
these sorts of discussions with with you and with with with
clients and people who want to change their life, you know, So,
but I go, OK, then there's a part of me that is not a natural

(28:06):
organizer. I will do that stuff, but it
will not poison this stuff I love.
I will not allow it to encroach on that.
So I'll, I'll nail, for example,a time in the day I go, here's
my diary. You know, Thursday mornings I'm
going to be, I'm going to be doing all this stuff I don't
want to have to do. I'm going to do it all to nail

(28:27):
it. And this is Thursday morning,
gosh, kind of thing. I would think however you want,
it might be an hour of day or whatever it is like that, but do
them and go. But that's self loving because
number one, I'm learning the organizational skills I'm light
on, but it and it's simultaneously enabling me to

(28:48):
spend really quality time in thethings that I absolutely love.
Yeah, that's, that's behaving ina self loving way.
But we're also taught not to do that because, correct me if I'm
wrong, but what I've experiencedwith people is they get, isn't
that selfish? There's difference between

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self-interest and selfishness, you know, And self-interest is,
is when nothing else matters andit's only my stuff that matters.
But selfish is, is kind of, there's kind of all sorts of
connotations. Unfortunate then maybe, maybe
there needs to be another word or something.
But it's like caring for yourself.

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You don't care for yourself. Guess what?
The universe is going to show you that you don't by giving you
experiences when nobody's caringfor you and nobody cares about
you. Nobody listens to me, whatever
it is. So when you do it for yourself,
your universe presents you with experiences that support that

(29:55):
self caring attitude. And so you might find that all
organizational stuff just miraculously disappears because
somebody says to you, hey, Solomon, I understand you do
these podcasts. You know, you must need some
help with your, you know, the technical side of that.
You know, why didn't you let me do it?
Yeah, and I think that's something that's really cool is

(30:18):
these two paths of people who who have these, these loves and
these passions and their purpose. 2 purposes intertwine.
And then not only are you both doing your purposes, but you're
doing it with someone. So then you have companionship,
you have friendship, you have maybe even love with these
people. And you, you are two people who

(30:39):
have purposes that maybe you're not the same.
They don't have to be the same, but they intertwine.
And that's what's cool about howthese opposites intertwine and
go together like DNA. Oh, that's a that's a nice
metaphor, actually. Yeah, I like that.
Yeah. It does go together like DNA and
it probably does if I, if I child would be born of it.

(30:59):
You know what I mean? Yeah.
But it's I think that comes downto our value systems,
unfortunately. Once again, we're given value
systems by an A prevailing system around us, whether it's
governance or or religion or or community or family or whatever

(31:21):
it is, social stuff, whatever itis, but it's really important
part of the journey of awakeningor raising our consciousness to
find what our values actually are.
Irrespective of all of that. And one of my one of my
solutions is that to say I've said people get used to
questioning everything, especially the things that you

(31:43):
think can't be questioned. Yes, question everything because
you will find out some of those things resonate with you because
that common sense though, or that they, they actually, they
do make sense. You know what I mean?
And that's cool, you know, but some of them might be utterly
biased, damaging, harmful ideas and values because it's, it's

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someone else's self-interest. Yeah.
Overlaying Trying to overlay yourself.
Love. I found this in growing up in a
religious context. I, I grew up Christian, I loved
it. It was great.
And, and I have amazing parents who love me and set a great
example for me. But as I got into my teenage
years, I started to do that and I started to question these,

(32:29):
these things that people are doing.
There are some red flags that would pop up and I would
question them and people would look at me and they would go,
wait, why are you questioning this?
This is the thing that you're not supposed to question.
And I would question these and, and anything that is, that is
backed by love. This is what I found.
Anything that is backed by love,when someone is doing it out of
love, it is right, it is pure, it is pure, it is true.

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But then there are people who take these things that were
backed by love, built by love, put there for the purpose of
loving other people. And they intertwine it with
selfish desire and and the humanself.
We're going to mess things up. That's that's just kind of part
of what we do a little bit. We're going to.
What do you got? We've been going to.

(33:15):
We've already missed. Exactly.
Yeah. So when we do that and when that
happens, of course there's goingto be hurt.
And when I and, and it's not about being a victim, we talked
about victimhood. It's not being a victim of the
hurt. It's about rising above that
because we have the ability to rise above hurt.

(33:36):
We were given that ability and Ijust, we need to.
You're not. It's OK to be hurt.
People will hurt you, but you can rise above the hurt.
At least that's what I believe. I'd like to hear your insights
on that. Well, I think people can do and
say things. Prevailing control systems can

(33:59):
do and say things that you couldfeel hurt by if you chose to be.
So it's really about perception,you know, say, oh, this somebody
who's, you know, insulting me orcalling me names or trying to
diminish myself worth or whatever, you know, and just
observe, you know, that's one ofthe things, as your frequency

(34:21):
rises and your consciousness rises, you end up being more
detached about stuff like that. So you can be right in it and
inside it and they sort of downloading on you, whatever it
is. Yeah.
And you can't look at them and actually inside, you're not even
aware of what you're saying. Now, why is that person arguing
with me? Why are you asking all these

(34:43):
really calm, constructive questions?
Why are they? I must be arguing with myself at
times. I must give that some attention.
In the meantime, they're downloading all of their stuff,
you know? But anytime anybody says
anything to or about you, it's got nothing to do with you.
Yeah, it's to do with them. It's why they're doing it.

(35:07):
It's because they didn't have that, that loving introduction
to whatever that concept was about that you had.
You know what I mean? It doesn't make it wrong.
It doesn't make it right. It just makes it different.
And is it a choice you would make?
No. Or disappear.
Don't be back there again because that's not helping you

(35:31):
maintain your frequency and raise it so that you can be
bathing in that, in that, in that ocean, that river of love
and fulfillment and ease and wonder that it is when you are
doing something that really resonates with you.
Yeah. Because they're miserable.

(35:54):
They've chosen something and they have chosen to stay with
it. Something that really contains
them and even harms them usuallydoes.
So that is where my own work intersects with that.
If you'd like, is, is helping people see that that

(36:17):
manifestation in their life and,and how to let go of the
conflict and let go of the anxiety or the stress that goes
with it, distress with it, not only enough distress, distress
anyway that goes with it. And then so when so gives them
an understanding of why their life has manifested the way it

(36:39):
has. Maybe it's only one area that
they're concerned about and maybe it's the whole thing.
And then and then the process ofhow they can apply that.
And I guess that's a sort of coaching part of my life is, is
guiding them through applying that knowledge into the real

(36:59):
situation of their life on a really day-to-day, very real
basis, you know? Talking a little bit.
Because you see changes really quickly, you know?
Yeah. Talking a little bit about your
work. A lot of people my age struggle
to to, to find the thing that they want to do, and they have a

(37:20):
lot of anxiety about finding that thing.
What is the thing? I'm going into college, right?
I have to consider what is the thing that I want to do for the
rest of my life? How did you know that the thing
you do, your career, whatever itmay be, how did you know that
that thing was the thing that you should and will do?

(37:45):
I didn't, if I'm really, really clear about this, I didn't know,
but I knew somehow something I knew, you know, and what I did
basically as a precursor to that, I mean, it happened.
It crept up on me to be quite straight about it.

(38:07):
It crept up on me because I was very happy in a, in a career
totally different and my own business as well.
So it wasn't as if it was a massive structural shift, but
content wise, my life changed utterly, you know, but because

(38:29):
of this coming in and it was andimpassioned me so much more than
anything I've done before. And I loved my work.
I loved my career, absolutely loved it.
And, and I believe that's why and that's how I magnetized this
into my life because it actuallybegan happening through my

(38:53):
business. My business that I love.
It was advertising. I was a creative director in
advertising and, and I just, I love the creative process.
So like, I love live music and Ilove, you know, live performance
and just art girl. He's just I can spend days,
weeks and but and that whole creative process, brilliant

(39:17):
writing and it's just, it's but everything is created.
We are creating. All of us are creating a
reality. You know, and I earned there
that because I was so impassioned and so loving what I
was doing his work that when it began to tip, which it did, it
started to taper off because I was in a situation where it

(39:40):
wasn't as functional as it had been in my life and was kind of
losing losing the I was kind of losing the window out of my
sails on that regard. This this work started coming in
and it you know, it's not only just want to get up in the

(40:02):
morning and everything you know it's.
You sort of feel like you can't not do it.
You know, it's and I was in AI mean advertising was a pretty
stressful game to be in, to be quite honest.
And I found that I had a great capacity for doing stuff for

(40:26):
work and, you know, without it wearing me out or anything.
I was, I loved it. I never knew what the time was.
I never even occurred to me whatthe time was whatsoever.
The how and what it just didn't mean anything because I was
doing it. And then I'd wake up out of my

(40:47):
little working, be on whatever Iwas doing and I'd look up at the
clock and think, you know, like 4 hours ago, something gone by,
you know, and I'd all this stuffand it's like, I never even
noticed it. And that's why I really believe
that when people, and I come across this often once again in

(41:08):
my work where people are very, very distressed by their work,
their job. And and it's invariably when
people are stressed or they're they've got the anxiety or, or
despondency or even, yeah, it's,it's that they're not doing what

(41:33):
they want. Sorry.
They're doing something they don't want.
Isn't point. That's actually the point.
Yeah. And every time you then start
making this step to something that lights your fire, that you
put a smile on your face and gives you some excitement or
something. Every time you do that, it, it
come, you come back out of it, you start coming back out of it.

(41:54):
And the universe creation recognizes that because it's
your natural you. And it goes, oh, here's some
more and here's some more. And that's what happened.
My this work for me just exploded beyond any, any concept
that I would have ever had of it, you know, because, you know,
here's me. I've I've really reasonably, I

(42:14):
couldn't call it advertising secure at those in those days,
but I sort of secure career intothis was a bit of a, an
insecurity reach. You know, it was, but I could
not not do it is the point I, I couldn't bring myself to ignore

(42:37):
that. I thought, if I one day I'm am I
going to be happy I did it or I'm going to be happy I didn't
do it. Invariably I'll be happy.
I tried, you know, maybe I did it and I so AM.
So it's about identifying thingsthat resonate with you and
utterly ignoring things that don't.

(42:57):
And that could be quite severe. But that is one of those
disciplines we spoke about a little bit earlier there.
It's it's spiritual skill is to be detached and disciplined
about it because I had a lot of people's because it won awards
and advertising and people say, oh, you know, you've done so
well and, you know, you're really on the Press of the wave
kind of thing. Why are you getting out of

(43:19):
privatization? But the whole point was that I
had found something that was more more impassioned for me and
they had no idea because they were still ensconced to that.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
So and so those influences can be really strong and undermine
your assuredness that you have in trusting your heart.

(43:43):
And so you it's a it really is adiscipline to stick with it and
go. I have faith in myself and I
have faith that my best friend out here is creation.
It's the universe, it's life. Life is my friend, not my enemy.
If it hurts, why did I make it hurt?

(44:03):
How did I make it hurt? Once again?
That's where my work comes in. I say, well, this is it's
hurting because of look what youdid.
You know, Oh my God, they didn'teven see it.
They weren't aware because we'renot.
And so when you mindful, if you like mindful through, which is
one of the offshoots of meditation, one of the products
byproducts of meditation, you become more aware of those

(44:25):
things that are actually harmingyou.
And then as the discipline and the healing of doing something
about it and thereby conflictingin some way with opinions like
your parents or your friends or society or whatever it is by
going, well, I want to be a beach bum.
And that's the thing that I really believe in, you know, so

(44:45):
go and do it. See how you get on wasn't
working for you, you know, and and the universe will feed you.
It's natural. It's utterly natural.
And it's really supercharged, you know, when you're doing what
you really love it just, it justsweeps you up like a tsunami
and, and feeds you, you know it,it's lovely.

(45:08):
But and all you need to do to get to that, which is what we
were talking you were asking about earlier, is to begin, just
take steps towards things that do lift you energy, do impassion
you, do excite you and fascinateyou and interest you.

(45:30):
Spend some time on it or reach it.
You know, it doesn't have to cost anything or whatever.
But when you do that, your relationship with creation
becomes intensified and it goes,gotcha, I can see exactly where
that's working to raise you backto your home frequency.

(45:51):
I can see how it's working. Come on, come on, I'll give you
some more. And that's what happens.
And the other way, it just lets you go because it has no,
absolutely no will or desire to help you plummet.
Yeah, it has absolutely no interest in that, you know?
So I'll let you go and go, oh you need some help as you fall

(46:15):
down that you know, Abyss. You know, you, you mentioned
home frequency and then I've, wewere also talking off camera
about how to raise your frequency.
What does it mean to be at a high frequency or a low
frequency and how that pertains to consciousness?
What? What are?

(46:36):
Can you define all those things and explain them for people who
are like? I've never heard high frequency
other than when it comes to likesound or something like that.
Sure, I can. I think I can make that pretty
simple actually. And that is frequency is how

(46:57):
energy works. So like it, whether you're going
on a sound or on a sound, you know, that's just frequency,
it's still sound. Well, it's the same with love
and fear. It's just frequency.
It's all one energy. I do not at all buy into the
idea that there are different energies.

(47:19):
There is only one. And it's light and it manifests
in all kinds of material, emotional, mental, attitudinal,
active ways in our lives that it's just frequency, everything,
whether it's that blade of grassout there or it's that big lump

(47:41):
of concrete over there, it's still the same energy as it
comes into these subatomic particles.
And somehow by witchcraft sort of manifest and stuff that we
think is real. I mean, it's kind of a joke when
we look back on all of this, I think we're getting a big laugh.

(48:03):
But when we get out, and I know I do, even at this point where
I'm still, I still look out there and I go, all those hills
out there, they've got hills androcks all around here.
It's beautiful. And I go, there's more space in
those rocks out there than thereis stuff.
You know, they'll go. And it's hard to figure with

(48:25):
your head around it. So it's about frequency, but it
isn't. And that energy, when it becomes
integrated with the operator, ifyou like, or the intelligence,
it becomes manifest. It becomes animated in some way.

(48:45):
Angible. Yeah, so and that's why, you
know, our thoughts then become the way our belief systems and
everything become the way we feel about things and respond to
things, which is our emotions, our relationship with life.
And as we keep doing that, it becomes our physical body, which
is all of the Wellness or illness that's there and the

(49:06):
steps we take and the way we move our hands and things we
actually do in life. It becomes what our life is
because we had it in here. Now when we raise our frequency,
it it releases the limits in here, widens the funnel, you
know what I mean? And then it gives a very, very

(49:27):
important power of our spirituality, which is choice.
And when you. And really what we're doing is
learning to exercise our choice with love, first self love and
then universal general love. Yeah.

(49:47):
I, I love how you talk about choice.
I was, I was talking with a friend last night.
We were talking about I, I don'tknow if you, you, you might know
the story of in the Bible, they talk about the spies that go
into the promised land and they're supposed to go in there
and they're scouting and they'relooking at it and they're seeing
what, what it is. And, and, and everyone sees the

(50:10):
same thing. And then they come back and
there are only two guys. After seeing the promised land,
they say it was the most beautiful thing ever.
It was. It was everything I've ever
wanted. All the other guys were like,
this is terrifying. We should never go there.
Do not go there. Right.
Yeah, right. And I was thinking about this as

(50:32):
as us, we have the choice to be the two I took.
It was not a different scenario.It was the same thing.
We're all we all see the same world, but we see it differently
just because of our frequency. Those two guys were were the
person with the expanded consciousness.
They saw the beauty in it. They had the choice.

(50:54):
We all have the choice to see it.
It's just who are we going to be?
Are we going to be the person? Are we going to be the version
of ourselves that sees the beauty in the world and expands
our consciousness and and heightens our frequency?
Or are we going to be the low frequency who's like this is
terrifying. We can't be here.
We can't go here. One is to love.
One for fear, yeah. Yes, exactly.

(51:15):
And, and me and my friend were geeking out last night talking
about that. And I, I really love that
analogy of we get the choice. So like a lot of us are dealt
cards that are similar to one another.
Some of us aren't, but we all get, we all get the choice to
play those cards a certain way. You know what?
In my In my own, what my own teaching is that I say to people

(51:38):
because I liked it. I'm a Virgo, right?
So I like to make things practical if I possibly can, I'd
like to and make it as simple asI can and as meaningful as I can
with that. So it doesn't end up being in
the head and turning to fluff. So I believe that one of the
primary manifestations of the energy or frequencies of love,

(52:03):
and I don't mean lovey dovey, you know, whatever it is kind of
that human sort of ego version of love if you like, most people
identify you. But I mean love consciousness is
choice. We allow that spectrum of
things, that whole horizon, to exist, allow it to exist, and

(52:26):
then allow yourself to choose from that the things that
resonate with you and leave the rest.
Yeah, it's all. About allowance and choice.
And when we exercise it with love, we're really cutting it.
You know, we're really making it.

(52:48):
I heard, I don't know if you're familiar with Robert Edward
Grant, but he he was on my podcast one time and he he
talked about life. He said what if life was like a
video game? Like what if you were the
character and you got to build him into whatever you wanted to
be? He said.
There's there's a commonality inevery single video game, like

(53:09):
hero, right in every character and in in books as well.
The hero had all these powers, he lost them and then he gains
them back and he's like, you getto build that character and you
get to pick how you build that back.
You're building that back. And we're gaining our our, our
powers because the story wouldn't be fun if the hero was
already all powerful and he got to destroy and like he won

(53:31):
everything, right? Like he was already the winner.
It's the journey. It's the journey that makes the
story interesting. And we get to build our journey.
We get to write that story everysingle day that you wake up.
It's not like this is another Monday.
It's this is the, this is, this could be the day that one of the
big biggest things in your life ever happened.
It could be amazing. And when you look at the world

(53:53):
like that, as you're taking authority and ownership of your
life and you view it as your story, it's so exciting and
beautiful and happy and amazing.It does take time and it takes,
like you said, it takes discipline to learn how to write
and learn how to write the storyand and to take pick up that pen
because part of that pen is it'sa little scary to do because now

(54:15):
you're you're in charge of your own ship.
But instead of viewing it out offear.
Yeah, Instead of viewing it out of fear, you're viewing it out
of love. This is amazing.
I get to build this story. I mean, you can see my face.
I'm lit up thinking about the idea of that.
That's exactly, it's beautiful, you know, that's, that's exactly
what we're doing. And we are those those trying

(54:38):
to, you know, Wizards. You know, yeah, exactly.
Just learn to snap our fingers and bingo.
It's it's that it really is that, you know, and we have been
so crushed under a blanket of denial and and conflict and
distraction, if you like that, that we've, we've just

(55:00):
forgotten. All we're doing is remembering.
It's it's not we're not gaining something new except memory.
Maybe, you know, we're just recalling stuff that we things
that we already are. We absolutely, infinitely potent
beings. It's just we can be in
situations where that seems likean utter impossibility, but step

(55:24):
by step it happens, you know, and and those people, The thing
is when you write that book or when you go into the promised
land sort of thing, you come back.
There is a opportunity that let's call it an opportunity,
shall we? Where you, where you end up, the
what you've decided to do conflicts with what the masses

(55:44):
around you think is cool or OK or order.
And so that's the other thing you're doing.
It's not just what you're doing,but the environment in which you
do it. And then all of those qualities
come forth, which, you know, trust and courage are both
qualities, qualities of the heart.
And when we first start interfacing with love

(56:06):
consciousness, and because all the rest of it basically is
immersed in fear, it is there islove opportunities in there, but
it's been so awash with fear that we've lost a bit.
So as we open our heart up and activate our heart energy, we
build the courage and the trust in ourselves and life and, and

(56:32):
frequency, if you like, you know, to to build that
regardless of whether anybody can accept it or not.
Now, we know in history there have been those who have
conflicted with the mass in order to stand for what they
believed was right. And what happened turned out to
be utterly correct. But, you know, at the time, they
risked losing their life and often did lose their life

(56:56):
because their belief was not themass belief.
Yeah. But now it's spreading so fast
that there are so many people who who feel that excitement
and, and, and touch it. And, you know, hopefully those
who, who watch this podcast, forexample, will, will recognize
that in their life, there's something that really touches

(57:18):
them. And they go, but I shouldn't do
that because that's going to upset my dad, you know, upset my
cousin or, or the government or whatever it is like that.
But they, they, what they're doing is touching on that heart
energy that's now ready, the doors that not only openers can
be kicked off its hinges, you know, so that humanity can touch

(57:41):
that, but it will bring those things to light sooner or later.
And they either choose, as you say, to go back to the village
and say it's terrible over there, it's dreadful.
It's really, really frightening and scary and something we don't
know about and it's going to harm us.
Or you can go back to someone who says it's the most beautiful
thing I've ever seen. I have utter faith and I want to

(58:03):
go back to get back to meet. You always have that choice and
give yourself the choice. That's the point.
And I think we relax about and go.
I do have the choice, you know, I do.
It's a way of saying I do love myself.
I will find the choice in everything and I will act on it

(58:23):
and entrust myself to that choice I make.
I don't need someone to tell me what's right or wrong or good or
bad or whatever it is I because there is no such thing except
once again, in this year in the perception aspect.
Yeah. And so I have faith in myself to
deal with that and cope with that and benefit from it and

(58:45):
blossom under its effect. I have that choice.
I give myself that choice. Right now I'm on.
And that's a massively self loving action and thought
process. Yeah, there are only I, I, I
wouldn't say I like how you saidspectrum, but there are only two
really two kinds of choices. There are choices based in love

(59:06):
or choices based in fear. And then I also this, the love
and fear was hard for me to apply.
So I I tell myself this, there are only infinite choices or
finite choices because I know when I make like what would be
perceivably a bad choice? It would be a finite choice.
It was a choice that I would gratify myself in the moment and

(59:27):
then I didn't feel good afterwards.
Like for instance, I eat gluten free.
I decided to eat gluten recently.
That was a very finite choice, let me tell you.
But then there are other choices, infinite choices like
investing in my health. That is infinite.
I'm investing in myself. I'm I'm doing things for future
me. That's with the future in mind.
Infinite, the infinite possibilities.

(59:48):
Yes, all of that. It is infinite or finite
choices. I think people with are wired
differently. So infinite, finite love, fear.
It's really talking about the same thing because love is
infinite and fear is finite. See, I'd like to think of it as
directional. So if you've got a scale of
energy from infinite that way toinfinite that way, you know,

(01:00:11):
fear is relative to you, once again, to your perceptions.
But I'd like to think of it, fear as a direction downwards.
You can be high consciousness and instill fear.
That has happened in history already.
You know, where somebody's so high consciousness they know
exactly how to use it to manipulate masses.

(01:00:33):
Now that is an evil. Evil is just, it's just evil.
It's not good or bad, it's just evil.
And evil is the deliberate lowering of consciousness, I
think here. Under what context?
Deliberate, purposely lowering someone's consciousness, even
your own. Doing it deliberately and

(01:00:54):
knowingly is evil. It's like live backwards, you
know? Yeah, and so and so.
But deliberately raising it, even if you're way down here in
fear, deliberately raising it ismassively empowering for
everybody. Exactly, yes.

(01:01:16):
Fear says you don't know what you're doing.
You can't do this. Somebody, something's going to
hurt you and they're like, so you need to control it.
There's the first thing of control and allowance.
Control is fear. Allowance is love.
There's a simple way of looking at that energy and applying it
to life. And when you control something,

(01:01:37):
you'll find that doesn't matter how much energy you pour into
it, you don't have control. You keep being controlled and it
just, it's more and more and more.
That's what our world's full of now, you know?
But allowance, suddenly all the pressure's gone.
That's why when you start doing the things we love and just

(01:01:58):
spending 5 minutes a day maybe doing something we love, when we
seem to be immersed in a job that we really do not enjoy, we
hate it. Maybe, you know, powerful word,
but as we, as we move through that, we begin to dissolve our

(01:02:18):
resistances, our fears. But it's the fear that we
dissolve the control liquor of control and go into allowance.
And suddenly it just opens up tothis whole landscape or spectrum
of potentiality from which we can choose, but we can't choose
on someone else's behalf. That's all.

(01:02:38):
Yeah, I agree. I agree completely.
I want to go into where I'm going to wrap it up pretty soon,
but I wanted to ask you, I kind of do a lightning round for the
podcast. These are like the the questions
I always ask to everyone becauseI love to hear their answers.
So First off, what book has changed your life?

(01:03:02):
Mine for two reasons. Writing it changed my life and
it's changed my life in terms ofwhen people read it and it's
changed their life and they let me know.
Where can where can people get your book just just for people
who are? Wondering hi Amazon.

(01:03:23):
Or it's called From Atoms to Angels.
And the link for that will be inthe show.
Notes as well. Yeah.
And also you can get it through my website, which is Paul Darryl
walsh.com. Also that link will be.
An OL so it's got an O not AY and Daryl, yeah.
Yep. Next question is what quote has

(01:03:43):
changed your life or stuck with you?
Imagination is more important than knowledge, and that was an
Albert Einstein. But also my father had a good
one, which was conflict never begets anything but conflict,

(01:04:08):
Yeah, which is quite good. And I like one of my own ones,
which is B pro something anti nothing.
Yeah, Yeah. Also.
No pain, no pain. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like that one actually. That was great.
And also I came across one whichI really loved, which is take

(01:04:29):
life seriously, but not Solomon.Yeah, I love those and.
Then yeah. The OH.
Another sorry, can I can go backthere for a minute.
Another really excellent book isSpace-time and Beyond.
Space-time and beyond, yeah. It's a little paperback of it

(01:04:55):
was written in the 70s or something.
I've got a song. Where is it?
Not the book, but I've got the note here because I keep
forgetting who wrote it because it was just, it's a really
humorous book on everybody's, everybody's Knowledge of quantum
Physics by Bob Tobin and Fred Allen Wolf.

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It was written in 1975, first edition, but it makes quantum
physics actually understandable.It's a combination of a
physicist and a cartoonist. It's like this book.
It's brilliant. That's awesome.
FaceTime and beyond, yeah. Awesome.

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I will add that as well to the show notes for those of you who
want to get that. The last question is, if you
could tell 18 year old you one thing, what would you tell him?
Trust yourself, trust yourself, and then trust.
Live any distrust, any distrust of life and your potentiality

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and what might or could happen or whatever is an utter mistaken
idea. Yeah, because the truth is, is
life loves you and life wants the best for you.
And when you recognize that, isn't that what you send in all
your emails? You say love life because it
loves you. That stuck with me.

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And that's a that's a thing I tell myself all the time is
whenever I feel out of control and I feel in fear, I tell
myself, well, why? Why would I feel this way?
Life loves me and it's like. I'm not going to treat you any
other way but with love. Yes, yeah.
And when you recognize that, youstart to see it more and more,
and it winks back at you, and it's beautiful.

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Yeah, exactly. I tell you just so I can mention
this, I have a just occurred to me when you spoke about the
frequency thing before and I forgot to mention it.
How do you make sustained frequency?
I have a a little handout. I do, I give it to people every
It's free all over the world. There's 33 ways to do it in your
everyday life to live at something that'll stabilize your

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high frequency and and raise your frequency by living in
everyday rights at list of 33. I don't know if anybody wants
that or not. And 33 of course, being a master
number, but it's, you know, likemeditate or, you know, be pro
something anti nothing, etcetera.
You know, and, and like, you know, give support, like

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celebrate, celebrate other people's successes.
So many people say, I'm not going to celebrate that.
That's it, yeah. I want to.
I want to see people who have got in alignment with the divine
and got in alignment with creation and go look at that.
Yeah, I'll go and celebrate that.
You bet. And just stuff like that.
There's 33 things so. Where can people find that?

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Is there I can? I can send it to you if you'd
like. That'd be great.
I've got it as a PDF and you canI can send it to you and I can
download it from you if you'd like.
Yeah, I'm going to put that. I'll see if I can put it in the
show notes or something. Yeah, that that will be.
It'll be down there. So for those of you who want to
see the 33 things, go for it. Paul, thank you.
Seriously, thank you so much forbeing here.

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I love talking to you. Are joy embodied in a human like
literature? Seriously, you're the best.
I love you so much. Where can people find out more
about you? My website pauldarrellwalsh.com.
Awesome. Everybody wants to reach me,
Paul at pauldarrylwalsh.com or click the contact link in the

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website or whatever it is. Yeah, pretty simple website, but
it gives a bit of a view of whatI do.
But e-mail me and ask me if theywant, if they wanted, because
usually it's something I do, quite a spectrum of things.
So usually it's something that'sspecific to their particular
requirements at the time. Awesome.
Well, thank you again, seriously, for being.

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Thank you. It's been great, your questions.
It's really, it's great. I really love it.
That's quality questions, my friend.
It really is. You know, and like I said, some
of your people never ask me, youknow, but they are.
I really appreciate the opportunity.
You are bringing the light to all of these people and that's

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wonderful. That.
Makes all of our work easier. Yeah, Well, I'm so grateful to
have you here and just to be here with you.
So thank you so much. Solomon, I appreciate it.
All right, bye everyone.