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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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It's your boy, merc Yo.
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Another hit for Brian Coogleryes.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yes, sir, and before we get into a full review of
this episode, we have a bigannouncement for you guys.
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
That we're going to start out with.
Yeah, and spoilers.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes, this is your only notice about the movie
Sinner Spoiler.
That's right, you guys ready,I'm ready.
Yes, let's fucking, I'm comingback.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
A big announcement, a big announcement, all right
guys, what do we got?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Start it out Tico.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yo boys are back for Comic Palooza 2025.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
That's right, ladies and gentlemen.
They done messed up and let usback again.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
They done messed up and let us back for 2025.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Hey, okay, okay so, for real, we'll be on podcast,
we'll be back, we're coming toLuce at 2025.
That's right, guys.
That's part of the podcastpartnership program.
So, hey, we're going to be backin there with the Pot Family CP
2025.
We're excited to see you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's right, guys, as we get closer.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Cut in my brother Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
As we get closer.
We will tell you more detailsexactly the times the location
what to look forward to, theevents where we'll be located,
absolutely as we get closer tothe date.
I believe the dates are.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
We should be ready for this.
It's in July.
They moved it from theiroriginal day, from May, so they
pushed it back to July.
So everybody who couldn't makeit the original weekend now has
more time.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Actually it's in June .

Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's right, you have more time in June to come
and visit it.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
One of them was with the J, you know, and a?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
U Hold on.
I got my announcement paperright here, suki.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I think she ate it.
Anyway, yeah, no, but we'rereally, really excited Hayden
Christensen is going to be there.
Some more Star Wars, anakinhimself.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Ladies and gentlemen, Anakin himself will be the.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Vader.
He's going to be there, which Ithink is going to be bananas.
That was one of their first bigoriginal announcements that
they had for the year you didn'tkill Anakin Skywalker.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Zuki sent me the announcement June 20th, june
20th through the 22nd 2025.
You already know what is itMerc.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
The George.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
R Brown Convention Center.
That's right In Houston.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Texas, the big convention center in downtown
Houston.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I mean, there's been a few announcements, but the big
one, the big one that I'mexcited for, is Hayden
Christensen, anakin Skywalkerhimself.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I'm going bananas, like your mom does on me, bro.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I'm more of a he's other movies.
I'm more of a Takers fan.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I'm a jumper guy.
Looper, juper, jumper, jumper,jumper, jumper, kind guy Jumper.
I was there.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Actually, jumper was my shit bro.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
I love Jumper.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
He was being hunted by Samuel L Jackson.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I'm still waiting for the sequel.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's Mace Windu hunting Anakin Skywalker down
after he turned our brain.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
The plot twist is that his mom was also a Jedi.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
What, what she was.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
You didn't remember Jumper.
No, bro, was she also a Jumperas well?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
No she also was part of the Empire.
There's too many goddamnJumper's in this goddamn plane.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
You know I can't do a similar Jackson tour, but you
know what I'm getting and that'swhy that?
Motherfucker has a purplelightsaber.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, that's what it should be.
That motherfucker himself, bro.
That's what the H stands for.
But yeah, I mean, they also gotthe Elves.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Oh, from the Star Wars universe they also got Boba
Fett and Jango.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Fett, the one and the same, because he's like, hey,
Boba Fett's going to be there.
No, I get it, I get the actor.
I was like that's not Boba Fett, that's Jango Fett, and you're
like, oh wait, there's more Forus Star Wars rebels.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Rex Rex, you get what I'm saying.
You have to be a Star Warsrebel to know that it's one and
the same.
They're all the same clone.
Yes, get it.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Okay, okay, and since we're on that, we will have a
topic about Django Fett was theoriginal Django Fett.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Wasn't a clone, though, django Fett was the
original.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
We're posting that topic about actors that stay in
the and that's going to be myblinker segue, and so you know,
speaking of two people that canplay an actor, oh, you know what
I want to see?
You know what?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
I little slide of mine.
He played more than onecharacter.
I'm gonna let it shine.
Let it shine.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Let it shine, let it shine.
That was the end of the movie,but let's start the beginning.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Guys, that was actually good that was.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I appreciate it yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
It was amazing.
Ryan Coogler does it again,ladies and gentlemen, with
another fucking hit.
Original concept for a vampiremovie.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know what I love?
Um, the world building and themovie.
Like, before we even get intothe storyline, just the world
building, like all that stuffthat he puts in there, you can
almost tell like, hey, thiscould connect to a whole nother
story or this could be a wholenother movie.
And part of me thinks he gotthat from working in marvel.
Part of me thinks he got thatfrom working black panther, or
maybe he he's already a greatdirector.
He could do world building onhis story.
But the world building that wesaw in black panther and what

(05:49):
kind of forever and now we seeit in a whole original universe
is like man no, it's peak dog.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I agree with you 1000 .
I think that that was heavilyinfluenced by marvel as far, in
the sense of um, what's gonnahappen next?
You know, he opened up a wholeworld and he did it within two
hours, bro, he did an amazingjob of it and, like I said, the
fact that obviously again, likewe already said, heavily
spoilers in this thing for youJumping straight for the secret
ending.
It's like in the 90s.
It ends there.
You could pick up a whole othermovie there.

(06:17):
I'm like literally if Marvel'slike alright, bro, this is where
Blade's going to be the prequelall right, we'll give you the
prequel, it's gonna fake up,fuck it.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
We're going straight for it and like and if they look
would you be mad blade in a ina nightclub in the 90s?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I was expecting to show up the whole time right and
guess what?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I'm not mad, bro.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
If I saw it, I would watch it bro like that'd be cool
because, like the owner of thatclub and blade is his homeboy
yeah, you could have been likehe.
Like the owner Of that club InBlade Is homeboy yeah, you
could've been.
Like he's the owner of the club.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
You know what I'm saying yeah, that's where it
starts Okay.
That's fucking wild.
Say this was a Marvel movie Allalong.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Dog, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
And guess what.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Because it's just one word Center.
It's cool, just like Blade.
All it takes is.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Marvel to write that.
Check, bro.
You know, I agree with you guys.
I do love the mythos that theystart out with the movie,
because the movie starts withthe actor, michael B Jordan,
playing two separate characters,right, one brother that plays
like a righteous character andone character is pretty much is
like the evil side, like thedevil, like the angel and the
devil side of the show.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, let's pause.
Actually, there's a prequelthat we missed in the very
beginning, that Tico was the onewho originally told us.
Right, there's a written textthat's on there, correct?
That talks about homeboy havingpowers, people having powers.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Oh yeah, there's a small intro at the beginning,
because I guess you guys showedup to the movie late.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
We missed the first five minutes.
Fucking 30 minutes of trailersis bullshit okay.
I love movies but Anyway, Idigress.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
No, no, no.
I mean you guys didn't missanything in the beginning, just
like a little intro, like alittle flair, where they show
that wood carving and it's kindof like.
Throughout history, differentcultures have called like a
person that could use music tolike transcend time and summon
spirits, or the ancestors theIrish call it so-and-so, the

(08:08):
Choctaw called it fire walkersand the Graal from West Africa
called it.
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Him.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, but basically the supernatural power, you know
it's in different cultureswhere it's a thing.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Which I like that they introduced that in the film
in the very beginning.
You're like, because when ithappens later on in the film,
you're like this is just sometrippy shit, that's just showing
.
You're like no, no, no, he'sreally doing it, he's really
transcending time.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
He has that power In those moments.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Okay, now going back to the beginning of the film's
plays uh, two characters at thesame time two brothers.
He plays twins twin, twinbrothers right which I thought
he did phenomenally.
They cousins, they cousins andyou know what, like you can
distinguish the, the acting, inregards to what mark is saying,

(08:57):
regards to the, the acting style, because you can't distinguish
one actor that in the movieplays the role of an Irish lower
mob member and the otherbrother that plays for the
Italian member.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
And as Atiko pointed out during the Oski Oski, I
don't know my name now.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oski pointed out, you can tell by the clothing style.
The only thing I could noticewas the colors.
You know one color was bluecolors.
You know One color was blue.
You know the obvious that hadblue hat, the blue shirt, right.
So that can entail good, youknow.
And then the other, the otherbrother, and I'm gonna take.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
The red accents.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm gonna let Oski take over here In regards to the
style, but in regards to thecolor, you can tell he was
Dressing all red Right thenthere, before, before I laid off
, I did the observation that onebrother, uh, is pretty much
like a trained trickster, or thepretty much the future
antagonist of the, of what couldbe the mythos of the novel,
because throughout the, the,throughout the scenes that he

(09:55):
represents, you can see himtempting people.
One character, my favorite, ourfavorite character, dale to
slam I fucking love the name,you know he tells you, you know
I'm good, you know I have a.
I have a everyday paying job,which is enough for a drunk like
me.
But it's sarcasm that he canbuy a beer or two, get that buzz
and go to sleep.
So he's good to go because hedoesn't overwhelm himself with

(10:17):
uh excess.
But this is where that onecharacter goes in the red suit,
which is what he tempts.
He tempts not only him, hetempts characters.
But they both do it.
Both characters are pretty muchsinners.
They both work for the mob, andone that goes back to his old
past tempts that late his oldlove to come work with him.

(10:38):
So in a way they're all theyboth, both brothers, but one
particular is very good attempting people.
That's the one that you'retalking about in Martin Garce's,
the one that worked for theItalian mob.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Oh yeah, because you can see it.
That's Smoke right, smoke, yeah, smoke, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
The Stacks I thought was the other one Stacks.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Stack was actually the one that worked for the
Italian mob.
Oh okay, stack in the red.
Yeah, the red.
Yeah, he has the red fedora.
He sued.
He's got the lower cut kind ofmore silk suit.
Uh, with the lower cut it wasclean what does he hit three?
Button uh two button two lowerbutton and, uh, just a very
italian style of the 1930s whenyou said that made so much sense

(11:19):
.
But it was, it was nice man, I'mnot gonna lie, that combo was
and then you at Smoke and he'sgot the I don't know what that
type of hat's called.
That comes forward, Fedora.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Not the Fedora.
No, it's not Fedora.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Oh, I know what you're talking about.
Yeah, the old-timey hat, it'slike a French-looking bun, right
, or some shit like that.
So the old and he's got theupper like the higher cut with
the three button, four buttonjacket, very Irish, very working
man suit.
So he was the one that probablyhad ties to the Irish mob.

(11:51):
And I mean I'm talking aboutthe world building.
If you go to Spotify, to thecenter of Spotify, and you go to
description, there's likescreenshots of newspaper
clip-ins.
Yeah, the Easter eggs they putin there.
And in the newspaper clip-insit talks about tensions between
the Italian and the Irish mobare flaring up after a gang war.
Da-da-da-da-da, crazy it'scrazy.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
It's all connected to the film, which again is just
outstanding work by the directorand the sound and everybody.
I mean just truly.
They never even.
That's real.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's real, because during that era it was Al Capone
who was the Italian arm of theChicago suit is what they called
it.
It was so powerful that NewYork New York handled all of the
East Coast and the Floridaright, the mob, but Al Capone
was so powerful that they didn'tfuck in the Midwest, not
Minnesota.
There's people who lived thereMinnesota, wisconsin, what have

(12:42):
you.
But then the people who livedthere, minnesota, wisconsin,
what have you?
But then the Irish also livedthere.
Now Irish is so powerful.
They put the president in power.
You know, john F Kennedy.
That's because you know his dad, his daddy was.
That's why they werebillionaires, for a reason.
That's why the John F Kennedysthey're like, why are?
That's why and that's what itties back to Jordan, because
that's where the movie started,because they're both bringing

(13:05):
Bottles and bottles of alcohol.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's where the fantasy shit.
That's where the Marvel started.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, that's where the and that's where they
tempted a lot of people.
Hey, we got that good subs.
We got that Irish imported beer, we got the entire, you know
the Italian beer, italian wine.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
And that's where.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
And that's where, like the movie, like the, the
movie, that was that was prettymuch.
The whole premise of the movieis like why were they there?
Because they're gonna throw abig a club.
They were throwing the club inregards to that time where
people, these people in thatarea, suffered.
What do they suffer?
They literally just got free.
No more than what 40, 30 yearsago slavery yeah and they still
gotta work, you know, andthey're suffering racism.

(13:40):
They're suffering the worstkind of discrimination.
Some of them can't find jobs.
Imagine them having like eightkids and like, because of racism
, they can't find a single job,like how they're gonna feed
these kids.
So, you know, times arestressful, so out and there is
in.
The worst part is it's likethere's no solution.
It's like you gotta sober in asober manner, face the reality
of how harsh america is.

(14:01):
And then here come these twodevil charmers with alcohol.
You know, like you're gonnahave a great time.
It's gonna be mad bitches outin the party, you know, you know
, and and it's like, well, whatabout music, is that?
Well, we know, we got thelegendary denton slim and my
cousin.
You know what was his name.
I forgot his fucking namepreacher boy, preacher boy
that's right.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
They call him a preacher boy because my the bass
in that motherfucker's voicewas obscene dog Sammy's voice
was Ain't no rest for the wicked.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
I was like damn it's crazy, going back two steps.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
They do mention in the movie that the boys were in
Chicago working for Al Capone,so Al.
Capone does get name dropped inthe movie.
The Italian they do tie it up.
And again, even though we'relike conjecturing that they kind
of play the mobs against eachother, or that one of them play

(14:55):
for one mob, the other one playfor another, they don't even go
into it in the movie.
They never actually explain it.
You're just supposed to figureout the way the movie is One of
the girls guesses it and it'slike you guys are in trouble.
You guys are going to be.
You know you guys are going tohave you know hell to pay.
You got some debts to pay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, because they were saying, like, once they
figure out that it was you thatyou know had this whole beef,
like you mentioned earlier, torob him from the alcohol.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
But we don't know.
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, there was no backstory.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
But that's a great mythos.
I mean the seats are there, butthat's not what the movie's
about.
I want to see the scene whereMichael B Jordan sticks his
tongue in her coos and fucks herso hard that she makes him
think that he changed his mind.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Okay, so we're skipping a few scenes to stack.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I'm sorry.
That's the most quotable lineout of this whole fucking movie.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Hailee Steinfeld had the most quotable lines period.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Period.
What was the other one?
What was the other one?
Look at the fuck in my face.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Look at the fuck in my face the way she delivered
that shit.
Yeah, she said it was so, butdamn, I was thinking about the
other one.
You can rob night, damn man.
I saw it with a good crowdbecause I saw, I saw I saw an
opening weekend and that theaterwas lit.
And I think I do think that,depending on what crowd you
watch it, with a crowd thatreacts to the movie makes the

(16:12):
movie better.
I'm not one of those like hey,we're at the movies, we need to
be quiet.
No, I mean, if you're reactingto the movie, I think it makes
the movie better oh yeah, ifyou're having a side
conversation about penguins,then you know fuck off yeah,
you're the wrong movie bro butif you're actually reacting to
the movie, uh, you know we'reall watching and enjoying the
movie together if you still geta chance to watch this movie in

(16:33):
imax, go check it out.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Fans demanded it.
I watched it in imax.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
I watched it in imax.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
We watched it in imax it's made for imax, those
scenes we only watched itbecause he sold us on it, bro,
and I promise you it is wellworth it.
It's worth the money.
The fans wanted it so much.
It got brought back to like Xamount of theaters in the States
.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
And it got brought back to 70 millimeter.
If you happen to live there in70 millimeter theater go watch
it.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
The closest one we got here is you know low-key,
like one of the reasons why I doadvocate with them to watch it
in IMAX.
Because, like part of like amovie hit is like following the
characters, because you want to,like you're observing in real
time, like in present moment,what's going on to them.
So one of the scenes is likehow they bring to life like that
era.
You see the vehicles, how thepeople are dressed, the little

(17:19):
stores.
You know, everything is sohistorically accurate that
that's the whole point of themovie, is like to to get
immersed in the world.
That's the delta area of themississippi river.
Because and that adds to thecomponent of the fear, because
moving, moving forward with theantagonist of the movie, you
immediately he literally dropsin, like no more than the idea

(17:41):
of like the the lucifer droppingfrom fallen angel, and you see
him, that's how he jumps ininside the scene with smoke.
And Like no more than the ideaof like the Lucifer jumping from
Fallen angel, and you see him,that's how he jumps in inside
the scene with smoke and then,just like that, he's begging for
plea, like, hey, you know, havemercy on me, right?
Just like the devil, he'staking advantage of the mercy of
those vulnerable.
You know, it's nothing morethan the devil saying hey, you

(18:03):
know, know you are.
You're supposed to be good Tothose who Are prosecuted, right?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
No, he tempted them Also with gold though.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
It was also he used their Own prejudice Against them
.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I mean chased by these Indians, by the Choctaw.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
And that adds to Like Tico mentioned, right to the
World building because I wouldlove to see like a movie about
the Choctaw like century beforehunting motherfuckers.
I mean, they're hunting thevampires In fact, I'll tell you,
movie part one is damn, likeearly before colonialism,
hunting werewolves, and thesequel, and the sequel is this

(18:37):
one Damn, I'm running more.
Hand me that MGM.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
I want a Sinner's Multi-Universe.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's Ryan Coogler, bro.
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
And part three.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Sinner's Cinematic Universe.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
And part three Y'all ready?
Y'all ready for this, bro?
Y'all ready?

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Blade, I got you.
I got you Sorry, that was greatdog, I fucking love it still.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, he wrote Werewolf Sin prequel, and then,
you know, one of the bestparties, like, the character
antagonist himself is, uh, anirish character, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
So, like, just imagine mcgregor yo, they made
the irish guy scary as fuck.
He was great he was great.
I loved him I think he playedit so well, even on those parts
where he wasn't scary, you know,just very charming in the very
beginning, when they all werelike, oh, we play music too and
they all hit their fucking tunetogether, I was like when the
fuck did they have time?

(19:31):
To choreograph this shit.
I was like this don't make nodamn.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
And then, well, they had, they got a hive mind and
the hive mind is what sold itlater on.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Oh shit it makes the high, like like, uh, the episode
rick and morty, the hive ladylike broke it down.
Like because I saw the episoderick and morty, which we'll do
another of the new episode, thenew season, there's a new season
kind of guys.
It made sense about why theyconnected like even throughout
the movie, like he are like hismore.
The more victims he collected,the more like he was easier for

(20:00):
him to temp again a good power,more power yeah a good power
that a vampire you don't see forhelping.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Very often in the film like oh you know, unique
power, super speed, whatever.
But hive mind was different.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
That was a different thing that they hadn't showed
well, yeah, because they alwaysshow a connection between the
maker and the uh, I don't knowspawn right, yeah so they always
have some kind of connection,but in in this one, the fact
that it was more than aconnection.
It was like they could knoweach other's thoughts.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Homeboy knew fucking Mandarin.
It also went backwards.
I know what you taste like,baby.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Bro, I wrote that down bro.
When they were going to China,I wrote that down.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
He told me he spoke that white devil spoke perfect
Chinese.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Brother, brother, what did he tell us?
How funny shit.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
She was shook.
She said bro.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
No, but it went both ways Because, as Stack says it
at one point he's like I knowthe clan was coming to wipe us
out.
Because I was in his head andbecause he was in his maker's
head, he also knew the thoughtsof the other clan members.
It's not necessarily that hewas like they're all high mind,
it's just like it's a two-waystreet between him and the maker
.
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I didn't even pay attention to that.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
That's a good point, though that's why he was trying
to bounce yeah, no, no, no, it'swhenever he's trying to get
Smoke to come back out.
He's like I know he's tellingthe truth because I know what
he's thinking.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
He's, bro, remember he tells him, like that, I
forgot about it.
Yeah, yeah, it's a good scene,man, it's a good point.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
They can explain that power.
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
No, okay, you're right, you're right, I remember,
I remember now.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
I remember now yeah yeah, oh, going back to the
shark tale, a prequel of thenewspaper articles in the.
In that screenshot of thenewspaper articles, one is of a
ship from Ireland with a bunchof blood and buddies but some
bodies missing, and the articleis dated 1911.

(21:53):
So that means that Remick hasbeen in America since 1911.
How long has he been hunted orhow long has he been like living
a bloodshed?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
that's another one that you could definitely add it
to, like the prequel as well,of him Him being a victim in
Ireland and him being chased bythe Catholic Church because he's
Irish.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, I would love to watch it.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Him escaping to the US.
It made sense.
He's been the victim of Irishdescent because the Irish were
very much discriminated throughcenturies by the English.
And today there's two ireland,there's another island that
belongs to the uk and thenthere's ireland itself.
And if you go by saying if,like, let's say, if you are
physically in another irelandand you're saying this is

(22:35):
ireland you're, you may besaying some like terrorist stuff
in the eyes of a britishcitizen, because they are, and
that's how deep the colonialismis.
And it made total sense that hewas like the antagonist in the
film because of that deep rootof racism, all kinds of them
like they've been started out bythe British themselves

(22:58):
discrimination, they can't evenfight Jaws themselves, even
though they, just because of theaccent, because of the language
, the language they had, anIrish language.
It's been removed.
That's why you hear such athick Irish accent, all these
concepts.
It made sense of why and thatthere's a certain scenes where
the protagonist of the filmprays to God and he mocks him
saying that me too, you know,because the Irish had their own

(23:20):
religion.
You know, kind of like you know, us Hispanics had their own
religion.
But then, you know, here comesa hand like it means nothing.
You know it's well, he'smocking it that it means nothing
, but surely it saves them.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's cool and he mentions it
whenever they first they're atthe door with the, with the
brothers.
He's like, you know, he's kindof he kind of sells that bitch
kind of sells that bitch.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I've experienced that kind of like uh, oh, yeah, yeah
, because are you a clan memberhe doesn't say boy, he doesn't
say that, he says sir.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
He says sir, sir, sir , there's like a moment of like
confusion because the other twoare clan members.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Sir, that's how that's how smart this, this
demon, was, because his responsewasn't a typical racist of the
area.
It wasn't.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
It wasn't, you know, diminutive it was, you know,
respectful, as it should be, youknow so I mean yeah, because uh
, he kind of drops hints, uh,how old he is, but he is like
centuries old.
So the oppression that he'stalking about is whenever
ireland was being conquered by,like the Roman Catholics or
something.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, it has to be super.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
So we're talking about when Ireland was still
like.
They were still had pagan orfolklore of their own, oh yeah.
So that was when Catholicismwas first introduced to Ireland,
to Ireland, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
That would be a prequel.
That would be a prequel.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
I'm saying there's more history in there that we
know, but it is interesting thatthey put all those Hints in the
movie.
And again, it's not what themovie Even is about.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know Nah but it's the fans that figured out
Something, though you know.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
So much mythos With just one, just the presence Of
the character, so much worldbuilding, just you know.
For like a two hour movie andthat scared.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
The few left inside the the building are, like you
know, trying to figure out howthey're gonna survive the night.
And they're out there just likerocky road to dublin or
something.
Yes, yeah making an irish musicvideo outside.
Let's go.
Cornbread is like out there,like yeah missing his jaw and
shit.
Oh, it's great, it's great itwas insane, yeah, but again, I

(25:21):
mean what?
Even what is the movie about?
You're an hour 30 into themovie and that's before you even
get to the horror stuff.
True, yeah, that's the part thateven we get to all of that.
I'm already invested in thecharacters, even before this is
a horror movie, like I'm alreadyinvested in the twins.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I want to know what 30 or 40 miles tastes like.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I mean I'm interested in Sammy, and how did he?

Speaker 2 (25:47):
How did he eat it?

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I don't know bro, in IMAX bro.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
I want to know how he found that spot.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I just want to know how you taste, and I know.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Stack explained it the best way.
He's like you don't put toomuch pressure in it.
You ever had some ice creamfrom that?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
one store in town, ice cream.
Man, he sold that shit.
I don't know what you'retalking about.
You won't get a young blood oneday.
When you get it, no, more.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
He's like I want to try something, right, yeah, lay
back brother.
Yeah, simon's character wascool too and it was based on
what's his name from blues, butbasically that one blues oh yeah
, the guy the basically went tothe crossroads and made a deal

(26:37):
with the devil yeah, the tunistguitar.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
That was the whole thing for it.
That was, that was where it wasmade behind and it was that was
a heavy was.
That was where it was madebehind and it was that was a
heavy influence.
In addition, death from puss inboots was also a heavily
influenced for the main villainrobert leroy johnson was the
delta blue singer robert johnson, yeah suppose he was him robert
johnson yeahthat's right.
Death from puss in boots.

(26:59):
His red eyes were actuallyinspiration for the red eyes
that the character had, and thatwas one of the things.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Oh man, I saw that I named you ryan coogler yeah, he
confirms that it's so cool, likewherever he gets his
inspirations and it's simple andthat was one of the things.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I'm like man, the red eyes really sold it bro.
Yeah, because like the otherones have like a clearish,
whitish looking eye or whateverreflective, like cat eyes or
whatever, but the his red eyes,specifically for the originator
it was, it was really reallydope shit, man.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Honestly, like you can tell the influences of so
many movies.
One of them is a legendarymovie called uh, with george
clooney and quentin tarantinodust till dawn.
Fine ass, I'm a hike at herprime like stub this toe god bro
.
Oh, I want that toe down mythroat too, if you've seen that
movie, no, I wonder how manytimes he recorded that scene.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
This movie was dust tilly Luton meets Django.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Bro, I loved it and, low-key though you could even
push this movie as, like at theend of the movie, the survivors
you know they go to Mexico andthey built a bar and then, boom,
you know, the night is becausethat's where Dusty Luton takes
from.
You know, you never know rightor whatever the fuck you know.
But it was great because theidea was just, all these
characters was to survive thenightfall where all these

(28:05):
vampires were outside, you know,hunting them down and and then,
um, I kind of like the actionside.
The only thing is like I wishthat because I understand, like
look, I'm already I get theconcept already spending like an
hour and a half and buildingthe mythos.
But if I'm gonna, in the actionside of the movie scene, like
30 people die, like where arethese 30 people?
Show up, bro, you know theywere there.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
They were there.
A lot of people bring that upin social media but uh,
especially if you saw it on imax, they're off to the sites I
just wasn't paying attentionover here.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
If you watch it on screen x, where the screens
surround you, screen x isspecifically where it was meant
for, bro, because they're in theback bag.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
They're in the back the director Ryan.
He does such a good job aboutbringing culture into the screen
, you know he did it with BlackPanther.
Even though Wakanda is a fakenation, he still brought so much
culture into it.
And they want Wakanda forever.
He did it for not his ownculture, but Mayan culture.
Yeah, and in this one, ofcourse, it's about the

(29:07):
African-American, theMississippi Delta, but he also
brought in some Irish cultureinto it More than he needed to
really.
Yeah, absolutely, because we'retalking about the experience in
the Mississippi Delta.
They weren't slaves anymore,but technically they still
worked for the plantation andthey had no way to actually get
out.
They weren't even being paid USdollars, they were being paid

(29:29):
in funny money from theplantation.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
That's so fucked up.
I hate that.
That's so fucked up.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
They specifically say the wooden nickels.
The wooden nickels were a thing, they were like wood nickels
and like I mean, today you cansee them like a museum or
something, but some people stillhave like wooden nickels,
that's disgusting, that's crazy.
You know, there was no way forthem to escape the plantation
because they weren't making anyreal money.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, and they show it like hey man, you know how
much is this beer?
You know 10 cents, like damn.
I only got a nickel, and likethese wooden nickels as well,
and they're like you know, youcan buy like toilet paper or
something the plantation storeand it's crazy, yeah, and that's
the worst part, but that's thewhole point, that they show that
historical events, man, and outof all historical events.
I guess that's one of thereasons why they show that,

(30:12):
because that's where blues Iimagine I am arrives from, which
is the hymns of kinfolk singingslavery songs during their
labor hours, which developed toblues, which I imagine is what
it is.
Showing that scene.
It become rock and roll.
Well, no, I'm sorry, I takethat back.
It became jazz and then jazz itbecame rock and roll.

(30:33):
And if rock and roll became, weknow what they know, hip-hop,
but there's that scene, there'sa magical scene where the main
character, robert johnson'splaying his guitar, sammy,
preacher boy, preacher boy, I'msorry.
And because at the beginning ofthe movie, like you mentioned,
all these cultures appear, andall cultures, because that
includes the characters fromChina.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yes, because they're there, it also brings in a
Chinese dancer and becauseHailey's there, brings in like a
ballerina or something.
A ballerina, yeah, like becausethere's different people in the
building.
It also brings their cultures,their, their, their spirits, uh,
from past and present.

(31:16):
You know, it's funny becausethat scene could have been kind
of like.
I could see how that scenecould have gone wrong, I could
see how that scene could havebeen goofy, but no, it wasn't.
It was very surreal, it was asurreal experience and it just
worked it did.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
It was shot so well and you got it.
You understood it and again, Ithink that that pretense is the
prequel, or what was it beforethe actual film started it was
like a little prologue theprologue, before the prologue,
before the actual film reallymattered.
If, like I said, we missed that, I was like, oh, this is really
cool, it was done very well,but I didn't know that that was
a real thing.
And then, once you found out,you're like, oh shit, that was
really cool and like sammy hassome.
I mean in this world, in thesinners universe, he has some

(31:52):
real power yes, there were twothings I wanted to talk about
before we talk about, like, thesecret final ending of sammy
looking up a preacher boylooking up.
The one thing I wanted to saywas the justifiable crash out
Peter Quill whenever he findsout Gamora died, or the Asian
chick whenever she was like comein you motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I was like and you know what I think I want to say
the Asian lady, because you'reright, because a big part of the
movie was the idea of the nameSinners, because the characters
that we focus on in the movie,they all, in this way, are
sinners.
You know, and I'm tying this atthe same time with the music
because, in a way, surrealismright Like you could argue that

(32:34):
suddenly the movie becomessurreal, so you could argue from
then on that the vampiresweren't even real.
It's like a metaphor.
You can say whatever if youwant, of judgment, because
they're all sinners.
Some of them committed adultery, some of them were doing murder
.
The lady was wrath, you knowyou brought that up, merrick in
the movie, that because herhatred towards the damage of her

(32:58):
child was straight.
Well, fuck it.
You know you can hear twogrenades on the same bridge.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
You know, right behind, yeah, that is yeah.
Just saying bro.
That's how she went out bro.
She crashed out she only killedone fucking Her husband.
Only that was it.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Speaking of other grenades, we're going to have an
episode on Wing Girls.
That's going to be a funepisode.
Toco-toco-toe, toco-toco-toe.
Wait for that episode, thatwould have been my spirit and
the character of even theChinese couple man, very
interesting for them to be inthe movie Like you're talking
about, she's rot and I think shedid have a badly crash out.

(33:33):
I think it was a very badlycrash out.
He's like, hey, if you don'tlet us in, we're going to go get
your daughter.
And they had the information onthe daughter because From the
husband the husband I forgot hisname, but the husband, he was
turned the male clerk.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yes, clerk, yes, I agree, and I would say the only
correct answer is that she hasthe more justifiable reason.
Peter quills was lame incomparison.
Like, don't be wrong, I get thewoman that she died she was so
ready to go.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
She had, like she was lighting up molotov cocktails.
She was like, she asked hersister.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
She said come in, you mother.
You know what I'm saying.
Nah, bro, she was fucking, shewas ready.
I bet you that in spanish, Ibet you that was an awesome sub
again.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Uh, really cool that they did the research and the
history, because in this time,in the mississippi delta, uh,
chinese migrants that came inand set up shop filled a very
specific need because the, the,the black people, couldn't go
into the white stores and theycouldn't set up shop filled a
very specific need because the,the, the black people, couldn't
go into the white stores andthey couldn't set up stores of
their own.
So where did they shop?
Well, chinese stores startedpopping up.

(34:37):
That feel, that need, and youcan see whenever the camera
follows her across the roadnumber two fried rice she is
able to cross the street, she'sable to go into their other
storefront on the white side ofthe street, oh yeah, and that's
what that's supposed to show you, that they're able because
they're white, passing or youknow.

(34:58):
You know what I mean, Right,that they could go onto the
other side of the street, Unlikeyou know the rest of the.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Interesting I you know the rest of the interesting
, I didn't even

Speaker 3 (35:07):
pay attention to that .
That's a good fact, that's agood tip.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, they got yankee not checkers.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, xiangji is called elephant chess, which is
chinese chess, so I'm trying tosay like chess, not checkers, so
xiangji, yeah so I mean theyhad two storefronts and they
made.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
They made money on one side and on the other I mean
bro.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
That's like they've done this for decades, bro, like
, oh my God, they benefited fromit From both sides.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, but, it also made them part of the community,
bro.
The moment they opened, you cansee they were part.
They were invited to thejukchon.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, bro, the.
Moment they opened a Chineserestaurant Mexican community in
the 40s.
Bro, they became billionaires.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
It was great because I know for sure, I like the way
they even have that negotiation,it's like I was going to cost
you.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How much is the sign For a bigone, little one, this much.
And that's remember.
He was just, he was ready topay for it.
She was like, oh, we got thisblue paint.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Oh, she's like we only got one color.
What color is it?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Red.
No, yeah, red, shit $14.
Yeah, $14.50.
$14.50.
All right, cool, $14.50.
$14.50.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
How much was that?
And that vase of flowers andthat vase.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
All right deal.
That's like $1, dollars bro.
Yeah, my mind had to be biglike 140, no like 1400 yeah, bro
, because somebody's dropping abuck.
You were getting groceries forthe whole family.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
You know, I'm assuming like yeah, because they
were saying is this one,because they were well it might
be about the beer.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
The beer is 10 cents.
Yeah, think about it like thatwas a luxury.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, we spent 20 in the beer.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Now, bro, at the bar but the beer was 10 cents.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, 10 cents, yeah that's what I'm saying, like if
you were dropping a dollar likethat was family for the whole
week.
Jam beers, absolutely that's afast stack of bread.
Oh, I apologize, that's a faststack of bread.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
How much is a beer?
Like eight bucks.
That's a mortgage like 100years ago.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Absolutely bro.
Yeah for the year, yeah, bro.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I think.
What other point did you wantto make?
The final ending?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Oh, there's two.
This little as a true, as atrue.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Marvel movie.
This movie has Two aftercredits scenes.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Two Hold on, we'll get there.
Hold on, we'll get there.
So so, pretty much.
At the end, right, the demonhimself Is welcomed Per se.
It walks and creates chaos.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
My argument is that he's not a demon, he's a vampire
.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
But he's not.
He's a vampire.
I apologize, he's not a demon.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I mean we could.
We could make the metaphor thathe's a demon, but he is not a
demon.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
That's my argument.
Before we get there, the fightbetween Michael B Jordan and his
twin brother.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Oh, that was a great Fucking fight.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yes, and I think that acting skills, which is like
again Michael B Jordan in myhead there's two people.
He's a good actor.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
He plays it so well.
Somebody said that it reallywas meant to be two people and
Chadwick Boseman was supposed toplay.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Smoke yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Somebody said Chadwick Boseman was supposed to
play Smoke and you could see it.
You could see him playing thebetter character and that's why
that line we cousins Would havemeant so much more.
Damn.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Brother that.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Baby, the night dies.
All the stars are closer.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
All the stars are closer, and at the end when he
says that was the last time weseen the sun with my brother.
Baby, the night dies, and thenwe know All the stars are closer
.
That was the last time that wesee the sun With my brother when
the sun rises.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yes, absolutely.
I love it.
It was beautiful.
Which leads to the end, thepart where the vampire himself
Is, like you know, doing likeVery and this is very like Blast
him for scary, but pretty muchIs like the end, the climax of
the movie, where he has PreacherBoy by the neck and he tells

(39:01):
him Like hey, your magic power,if I consume you, I can summon
All the people that I lost youknow, cause he has the ability.
I can summon all the peoplethat I lost you know, because he
has the ability I can summon,like my, my my ancestors.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
He wants to use Sammy like to work for him basically.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah, yeah and pretty much that's key.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Like he can't turn him because then he would lose
that.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Oh, so he was kicking with like a oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Like a pet.
That's last I think that's oh,so he was killed.
He was like a oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Like a pet, like slaves.
I think that's key oh.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Okay, that's more.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
That's more guessing.
We're again guessing.
We're making connections.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
But I think it was key that he couldn't turn him.
He wanted Sammy.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, cause he wanted to.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
He could've been, but he couldn't, yeah he wanted
Sammy, but he didn't necessarilyWanna kill him, he just wanted
him yeah because he'd be turningto him At the end.
He was just so fucking mad thathe was about to kill him.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
And even like it's crazy, like he had like huge-ass
claws that when he touched themlike he scarred them right here
on that fucking spot and hejust started praying Like
everybody was literally thepeople that he consumed were
literally praying by theriverside.
And at the end of the prayer,which is this is the part where
it's called do sex machina inmovie form, do sex machina?

(40:16):
Like?
Suddenly the God appears andlike plot ends, but the guitar
appears and he bashes him in thehead, which is the silver in
the guitar that scars him andthen, out of nowhere, like a
penis is growing out his fuckingchest and there's literally

(40:38):
Michael.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
B.
Jordan penetrating the fuckingvampire that he somehow.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
You have to put it like that.
I didn't condone on that.
He jumped from the rooftop ofthe fucking thing.
367 20.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Perfect splash, no noise because the other people
didn't hear it.
Apparently they were soentranced by the prayer thanks.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
That's why the prayer quote-unquote worked oh well, I
thought I just imagined goinglike a drop, like olympic one,
like like like no noise water,you know what?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
yeah, no look I mean, it's a movie you're supposed to
like, suspend some belief.
Oh, what the fuck is this?
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
michael b jordan says look, my character jumps off
the balcony, does a 16 cartwheel.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
He was a soldier single quiet.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
He rolls nat 20 oh oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Another thing about that prayer is like he's mocking
it, let's go, oh my goodness.
Another thing about that prayeris like he's mocking it because
he has no power on him andthat's supposed to say more
about Christianity and how hedidn't have no power.
It doesn't.
I mean, today, yeah, the Irishyou know are Catholics, but back
then they were colonized bythat religion, just like Africa

(41:46):
was colonized by that religion,but Africa had its own culture,
had its own beliefs.
And then we have a homegirl.
Um, I forgot her name.
God, I forgot everybody's namein the movie.
But she makes a, a bag.
I forgot what it's called hungerwith the fat titties uh, the
bag that he gives smoke, yeah, alittle m bag.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
So with the m where it?
Is it a mojo bag?
A mojo bag, yeah, is that whatit is?
Cause he got his mojo.
I'll stop anyway, she was.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
She gives him the mojo bag and she's like that's
actually what's been Protectingyou the whole time and he calls
that shit out though.
Like in vampire lore, insteadof being a cross that stops the
vampire, it was actually thatmojo bag that stopped Stag from
biting him when they werefighting on the second roof.
I thought it was the silver onhis necklace.
No, it was the mojo bag.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Really yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Well, again, I'm making an assumption.
We don't know yet.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, because it was a thing that he had in his neck.
That was the silver.
So it was the silver becausewhen he got closer it did the
woo yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
It was the mojo bag, because that that had real power
instead of the you know thereligion.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
That was like forced upon them.
Interesting, I did think it washow he called it out.
He was just like well, whydidn't this work for the baby?

Speaker 1 (42:54):
and I was like which was, but anyways, it does.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
It does that which I believe that their own beliefs
were more powerful than thewhich is the baby he's talking
about, which is the?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
scene where uh michael j Stacks remember his
name Stacks Smoke, Smoke, SmokeSmoke is the character that
calls himself the soldier, likea soldier of God, so you can say
he's pretty much like therighteous hand of God through
the movie in a way, I can seethat yeah.
And at the same, you can see,because of his reward.

(43:25):
You know, the reward is that hegot to see his loved ones in
the other side and he got toheld a baby, which is like a
baby in terms of Christianity,is like free of sin, you know
right, it's like Jesus.
I had let the you know youshould be more like children,
because children walk in heaven,because they're free of sin.
So that's the point of the baby.
So if he gets to hold the babymeans that, in a way, smoke was

(43:48):
unlike the other, though he wasa murderer, gangster, in the
sense he was redeemed by manyinstances of showing, uh, mercy,
like I mentioned earlier hetook his own girl's life, that's
, that's a specific scene ofmercy, oh mercy or I was gonna
bring it up simple stuff first,going to start first with the
wood coins that you werementioning.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, because he was the first.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Nah, fuck, I was the first.
No, yeah yeah.
And then she's like bro, comeon, like, look where you're at.
Like the reality is like okay,you know.
So, like mercy, compounds, youknow, up to his brother he was
supposed to kill his brother,shows of you know, and etc.

(44:30):
So therefore, like, and hisfinal act was him killing clan
members that, after a horriblenight of facing vampires that
are pretty much immortal, what's10, 15 clan members?
You know, some good old boynever did no harm which is like
one remick.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Remick was never the villain in the movie.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
The clan members were the villain yes, which is the
reason why I which now I thinkis one of the reasons why I
didn't make that much of aheadline because that final
scene but that's my favoritescene when Smoke just guns down
all the Klan members bro.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
It's crazy because they show it in the trailer but
there's no context.
It's not even seeing him shootpeople, just him with the
fucking machine gun.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
That's all you see like he first pulls out the
sniper rifle and starts takingout people with a 50.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, when he was dropping motherfuckers throwing
grenades that was insane, oh and.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
I want to see that prequel movie also the twins in,
like German trenches, world War2 or some shit like that.
Yeah, cause you say it it'slike we were in the German
trenches together.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
That would be badass that would be badass.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
That would be badass.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Like some, it makes me think of like remember X-Men.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Origins Wolverine it would have been.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
World War I, x-men, wolverine's origin remember.
Like how they gave you that.
I want the slowed down versionof that same shit.
They gave me that same movie,bro, I want the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
That movie could be a two part.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Part one was the oh and then look, which then leads
into sinners.
He just started with the endingfirst, bro they could be like.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
They could be like four or five movies that come
out of this.
Let's jump to the end now.
Secret ending.
Secret ending, numero dosnumero dos.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
That happens after you realize that his brother
Stax, has survived with his loveinterest and you realize at the
very end that the guitar playersunny no longer has sammy,
sammy no longer has his uh, hisreflection also in the mirror.
Some people pointed that out.
Some people pointed that out butbecause you see the bartender

(46:21):
and he's standing right in frontof them, you expect to see no
vampires reflection.
But sammy's was the one thatwas like, was it just the angle?
That's really hot.
And then that's where thesecond finale comes in, the
secret ending kids in the play.
He sings a song and then helooks up and looking up.
The option is that he gets hitwith two or three things right,
there's like a lot of theoriesin there.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Like one theory is just like it's just a happy
ending or not a happy, but ahappy callback whenever he, he
uh, you know, he mentioned inthe movie that his dad asked him
to sing or to play for at thechurch and he's like, what could
you do a little light of mine?

Speaker 1 (46:53):
and he's just looking up at his dad, so it's just a
call back to like that day inthe church which pause, which is
what my theory is right thereand there, which is like we're
following this story of preacherboy throughout the movie.
So the entire story is movingfrom the very, very past.
Now here's what I this is whereI distinguish what you're
saying.
Uh, in regard, oh, I'm sorry,what mark is saying?

(47:14):
The movie doesn't loop aroundpreacher boys.
Oh, we're gonna go back in timeand see what happened during
this time.
You know, when he was playingthat little out of mind in my
head, it progressed to him allthe way until death.
Where you start with the youthor preacher boy, you get to
secret ending number one.
He's 90.
He just asked him hey, what wasit like?
Because he was so curious,because he, he thought about it,

(47:36):
and he's like well, you know,hey, it's shit, because you know
I miss the people that died andI never get to sunlight.
He's like fuck that.
And now, secret ending numbertwo sam, he died, he died, he
went to heaven and thereforehe's youthful again and he made
it the sacrifice of stacks ofsmokes.
Is him in heaven, seeing hisdad saying this little light of

(47:58):
mine that he preserved the lightfrom the very beginning that
they told him to preserve so tome.
I move forward for Preacher Boy, the entire movie where we see
him in heaven in a sense.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I like that.
That's one good theory, no.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I mean, that's theory number three.
Oh, that's the third theory.
Okay, that's right.
No, pause.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
That's theory number three.
Oh, I'm sorry.
No, they didn't.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Okay, and then we got .

Speaker 3 (48:26):
That's theory number two.
I mean, you can take theorynumber two.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Theory number two is that Sammy is looking up at the
devil.
He ends up making a deal withthe devil at that exact moment
in time and sells his soul forhim to tune his guitar.
And that's why, whenever we seehim in the film, stax is so
impressed with him.
He's just like, oh, you canplay the blues now.
And he's why, even when he seesthe old man, he's like he's a

(48:50):
kid.
What the fuck does he knowabout the blues?
And he's a bad motherfuckerwhen he plays.
So he did the deal.
He did the deal there.
That's why he's a sinner,correct.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Oh, I like that, that's it but it's up to you
guys.
You know, at the end of the day, that's another connection.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
It's cool.
It's cool.
I think it works and I think alot of the references are not
necessarily to Christianity.
So that's why heaven or dealwith the devil, I don't lean on
those.
I lean more on like the othertypes that they have.
Like Smoke didn't go to heaven.
He went to go see his ancestorsor the people that he had

(49:25):
already passed.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Wakanda forever.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
It wasn't the Christian heaven, it was their
own beliefs.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
It went into the spiritual planes.
I get it bro, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
So at the end of the day, man, let's rate the movie,
let's wrap this up, y'all.
I'm going to give it a hard 7.5out of 10.
Or 75 out of 100.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Oscar winner Nominated for best movie of the
year, it only loses because ofprejudice.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I'm going to give it a 9.5.
I'm going to give it a solid8.5.
8.23.
I really enjoyed the film.
It's going to probably winOscar for best original
screenplay.
Soundtrack was phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
It's got to give it best director, at least best
director, amazing acting.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Dude.
I mean everything the acting,the cinematography, the music,
the women, the characters.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
We didn't even really go into music.
But Ludwig Goins, he does sucha good job with his soundtrack
man Peak, absolute peak.
This guy doesn't miss, he didthe music for Creed, for Panther
1 and 2.
Sounds like his mother, butyeah.
So I mean the way he does thescore and then he does the
actual music and then he looksfor this talent is crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Suki, you saw the movie.
What are your thoughts Beforewe?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
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Speaker 2 (50:58):
Hey, well, suki, we got to get you two cents.
I want to know what you thoughtabout the film.
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