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September 24, 2024 31 mins

Remember the time you had a concert crush at a T-Pain show? Relive our sizzling summer as we recount our unforgettable T-Pain concert experience, complete with mesmerizing LED backdrops, nostalgic vibes, and some surprising youthful energy. From personal stories of concert crushes to our favorite merch purchases, this episode is a celebration of music and memories. We also draw parallels with classic acts like Earth, Wind & Fire, and discuss the unique atmosphere of reggae shows, comparing the intimacy and energy of these experiences with larger rock and pop concerts.

Ever wondered why some legendary bands still have that magical pull? Join us as we stroll down memory lane, reflecting on iconic performances and the unique vibes of reggae concerts. Despite the occasional rough performance, like Journey’s, legendary songs like "Don't Stop Believing" continue to captivate. We also touch on the resurgence of bands like Linkin Park, exploring how new lead singers are keeping these legacies alive. This chapter is a heartfelt nod to the emotional connections fans hold dear for music legends.

Curious about the evolution of the Force in Star Wars? We explore George Lucas's original vision and how it has morphed over time with Disney’s influence, touching on enchanting lore elements like Yoda’s wisdom and Darth Plagueis. We discuss the implications of Disney’s acquisition on storytelling and the portrayal of characters such as Twi'leks. From the choreography of lightsaber duels to the complex narratives in "The Acolyte," we dissect how the franchise has evolved and what makes classic battles like the Duel of the Fates timeless. Don't miss our wrap-up where we show our heartfelt appreciation for your support and encourage you to keep the conversation going on social media. Peace!

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you so much for tuninginto the wbm podcast.
This is one of your hosts.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's your boy, murk yo good to see everybody here
again.
This is your boy x-fan and thisis your boy, tico in the mix
guys, we got one fun episode, wegot a little recap of our
summer man, because we'repushing forward through the
winter arc, so we want to talkabout everything that we did do,
we didn't do and things wemissed out on throughout the
episodes this summer.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, absolutely so, guys, get ready for some
Spitfire.
Just let it weigh your money.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Mike.
So are you guys ready?
That's right, bro, thenBlunty's Park.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
It's time for our next let's go All right, all
right, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Booty go up Down, ain't got no problem spending
all of my money trying to seewhat's up.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
No, ain't got no problem spending.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
We saw T-Pain back in like early.
Oh yeah, we did see T-Pain thissummer.
I completely forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, man, it may right.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
It was a dope concert .

Speaker 3 (01:21):
It was a while back, but it was in the summer.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
It was the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
What was the name of the tour called the Teddy Payne.
No, no, no Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
The Mansion in Wisconsin.
The Mansion in Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
His backdrop was LED screens and it was a mansion.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
It was a mansion in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
How, each like every time you went into a room in the
mansion, it changed themansions and it gave you a
different atmosphere to matchthe song.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Every song kind of switched the mansion but you
were always technically inWisconsin.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yes, that's the idea.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I love that shit.
This guy bought some merch.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I bought some merch.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I got me a sick-ass baseball jersey Wisconsin.
I got me a dope-ass Wisconsinhat with number 24 for the year.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Shout out to Homegirl .
I met at the concert.
I fell in love with you.
I texted you Good morning,buenos dias.
You know, that's why I didn'tSpanish.
You probably thought it wasyour garden or something.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Whatever, man Damn solicitors.
I hate this shit.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
But, he was over here thinking you were supposed to
be his next wife.
You know what I'm saying.
I was thinking.
I was thinking I can put you inthe log in the cabin.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Hey, where all the way when scans that's right,
baby.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
But uh, yeah, no man, this guy came out of nowhere
with the, with the riz.
You just started just with thisit was.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was t-pain bro, it was t-pain the vibe.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
It was like a wedding party.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
It was like a bachelor party yeah which is
cool.
That's a great bachelor party,if you think about it.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, man T-Pain.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Carson concert for your bachelorette party.
That's kind of cool.
And the venue wasn't that badtoo.
It was like a three-story venueand we were at the floor ground
, but the floor ground wasperfect.
You can see T-Pain perfect.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
And if we're showing our age?
Hell, no, we're not Bro.
Everybody likes T-Pain.
I don.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
To be honest, I thought I wasn't going to see
that many younger people.
Bro, he sold it out.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, man, he sold it out.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
That's what I was like.
Damn T-Pain still sold out theshow.
Let's go, T-Pain still got it.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
He had the hits man.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
I thought he was only on Twitch nowadays.
Nah bro Motherfucker, stillgoes on tour.
The bills come up.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
He just goes on.
I got to pay taxes.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
All right, let me go do a quick tour I get to pay
taxes, bro and I know he doesn'tmind just going there and be
like I get the bartender andthen he just points the
microphone at the crowd.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, bro, we finish off the rest yeah absolutely,
it's like I do.
It was a good concert though,awesome.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I never seen Tupac live.
It was dope the, it waseverything like what a club was
back in like a decade ago.
I mean, it was legit man.
It was like nostalgic.
Yeah it was very.
I know what the old head usedto go to, like Wind and Fire,
you know, but I still go to Windand Fire.
Pretend I'm there in the 70s,you know, do you remember?
Hey, hey, the very first night.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
And that's the thing about concerts 21st night.
I think we're just in time forthe 21st night of the show.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's probably the podcast night one.
Like I know we had thisconversation earlier with Merc
private, but it was aboutconcerts and nostalgia.
I recently just went to go seethe Wailers Bob Marley's group.
You know Pajamas, pajamas andlike go check out the episode we
did about the Bob Marley movie.
That.
Merc reviewed oh man I finallywatched it.

(04:25):
Yeah, okay, so, yeah, so I sawthere was just two dudes left.
It was one guy like the back Idon't need to ask you for his
name, I don't gonna start lyingto you and there was two
guitarists, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
See, look at least he's not lying to you.
That's what I'm saying right,and.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
And then there was, like this drummer from the 80s
they found, and like the two,the two lady backup singers
they're hot, bro, they're superhot, and uh, and then there was,
like the one who was the mainsinger of, like he was just a
dude that sounded like bobmarley.
But if you had told me, if Iclosed my eyes and pretended,
bro, like the energy was there,the vibes was there, it's just

(04:59):
two guitarists left, the whalers, you know, and like bob
marley's, like nephew playingthe bass, like great, great
nephew and bro, they played thiscalled the Legend Source.
It was the Legend album, sothey played like Stir it Up,
they played.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Jamming If y'all got the Legend album or if y'all
haven't heard it.
Bro, it's as great as it is.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
The third song is literally what do you call it?
Don't Worry it.
What do you call it?
Don't worry.
Oh yeah, it's the third song.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
They know it's just fucking playing.
They don't play.
They don't fuck around With thelegend.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, they don't bro, you gotta respect the classics.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's all gas.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
You know what's badass About reggae concerts?
Like they're small, tiny venues, compared to when we saw the
T-Pain, which was massive.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Right right.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
So anybody's like secondhand smoke is there, it is
the way, so they started thistrend.
So there's like people thatwere there like probably saw
that stuff in the 60s and the70s, like that, that generation
you know, and all the way downto like you kids, the skeevy
generation you know, just likerolling up, blazing, you know,
playing, jamming in the name ofthe song.

(06:01):
That was the best song is theone that get up, stand up, hey
don't give up the fight that onehad the crowd like, especially
when he goes.
I was ready to just take myshirt off, bro, and started like
call me check him out, bro, youknow.
But at the end I was gettinginto it.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Sorry, I'm getting into it.
Dreadlocks shaking yeah bro.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Everything, everything bro.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
You don't have dreadlocks, I would buy the hat.
You know the hat that has thedreadlocks.
Anyway, all generation bro.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I knew there was a corporate guy next to me but he
was going off just like me.
That's crazy.
Why are you?
And the weather was great, man,it was a great concert.
I could hold two hours and Iguess the guitarists were just
like that generation.
They're holding it down.
But two-hour concert, man, itwas worth it, man.
So I know it wasn't Bob Marley,but I pretended that I was

(06:56):
there back in the 60s and, man,it's two-way.
Okay, great, I saw one beat on.
Okay, great, I saw one beat on.
I lost my mind.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
You know, that's true , and uh, and especially a
concert, like I can go watchjourney.
I'm saying a lot of bands seemlike they're doing that because
some of these bands from back inthe day are still touring and
some of them are still makingmusic, I mean, and you don't
lose the name because the nameis popular, of course,
absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
You keep touring with the name, like you went to a
journey concert well, I wassupposed to go to the journey
concert, so we had plans to gooriginally to the to journey.
We didn't get a chance to go,do it right, okay, so that being
said, my parents went in myplace right and that was
supposed to be an awesomeexperience, man, but they told
me about the full recap and I'mlike what happened and I'm under
the impression my parents arereally going to enjoy journey,
man this is their era.
This is their time.
They're like they were.

(07:38):
They were rough and I'm likewhat do you mean rough?
They were like they didn't do asound check.
Guitarist and and the vocalistswere fighting over each other.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Uh it was rough man like it was.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
It was a really really rough experience.
I was like really, and theywere like, yeah, but uh, what
was it?
Uh, def leppard killed it.
I was like, really, I was likethat's, that's who you were
hyped for and def leppard, butthey said that their, their,
their performance was on point,like that was peak.
But the drummer was, you know,obviously he he's uh, he's
disabled and you know, he'sstill up there, uh, producing

(08:08):
out an amazing sound, amazingmusic up there with those guys.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
But, um, they're just older, it's just a much older
crowd and generation that'sgoing up there right and they
have to replace the vocalistbecause he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, it's a totally different guy now and and
apparently from what I heard isthat he was struggling to hit
some of the notes, man losinghis breath, not getting
everything out.
It was, it was a roughperformance.
So in that moment that's when Irealized my parents like you,
don't go for the concerts againbecause it's Journey.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
I mean Journey ain't had a song on the radio we're
talking about for the 70s, right, you have to be there.
You have to be there in 84, bro, they haven't been on the radio
for 40 years.
Right, that was 50 years ago or40 years ago.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Like they haven't been on the radio in a while.
You go for what they used to bethe karaoke bars.
Yeah, for those moments thatyou get on stage.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
you know that you really get into it Because I
mean, I'm sure they startplaying.
Don't Stop Believing, yeah.
The whole crowd is singing thatyou rap with.
Don't Stop Believing.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Hold on to that feeling.
Yeah, I know it's hard.
Everybody stays for that.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
You know what I'm saying Like that's the reason I
forgive him.
I get it, You're not.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
The cocaine has really Cocaine is a hell of a
drug.
Rick James did it best.
I'm there for the energy, forthe experience.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Damn hey bro.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I feel like a lot of bands are doing it because it's
been so long.
Did you guys see that LinkinPark is making a comeback.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Linkin Park has their new lead singer out and what do
?
You guys think about it and may.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
May god rest uh you know so uh, rest in peace.
Yes, uh, but I was.
I can't wait to the.
I see the houston lineup, bro,where they go.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I think she's really good, I'm gonna going to cry
thinking about it bro.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, I want to go check it out.
Some people are talking about,well, they should just start a
new band.
But it's like, well, I mean,all the bandmers are still there
, they just have to get a newvocalist.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, bro.
In addition, you can't buildthe same legacy of what Linkin
Park is like on your own brandnew, without Chester, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I think on that, you know, they can still get the
name of the band, they can stillfind a new vocalist.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
And she's not going to try to be Chester.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
No, she's definitely doing her own thing, but it's a
good, but it still sounds likeLinkin Park.
It's a good homage to whatChester originally interpreted.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know what I'm saying Because the whole band
you know and the fans that lovelincoln park yeah no, I get it.
And it's tough, bro, becausethere's like only few band
members can like escape thatstuff like uh david growl from
nirvana real quick.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Uh, I do want to say shout out, to rip to some some
of, uh, our iconic actors thatpassed away, man uh, james rowe
jones, that was okay.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, kurt Cobain, yeah, boom, yeah, so yeah, so
yeah, let's dive, there.
Sorry, that was a hard left.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Hey bro, Real quick.
I just want to say, becausewe're talking about legends,
right, Like nostalgia, thesethings- that they developed over
time.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
I'm sorry.
Did you see the tribute thatthey did at the Empire State
Building?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Darth Vader bro Empire State Building for that
night was really the Empire.
That was awesome Buzz Barf.
I think I was already onTwitter.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
If not tweet the shit .
I think.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I did a video next.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
It's so crazy to think that he was the voice of
Darth Vader.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
His moves that really influenced my life.
Yeah, man Mufasa, but it's aniconic voice.
He was also the bad guy fromConan.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Conan oh, that's right, conan the Barbarian,
conan the Barbarian, yeah, yeah,yeah, I remember I see that
movie child.
The first time I saw Conan likerated R was, of course not in
the US, was in Mexico, there'snothing to do with that, so you
saw it in.
Spanish, and so Earl Jones wasa dub.
It was a dub voice actor, I'msorry.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Did he dub it in Spanish?
Yes, in Spanish?
Yeah, but his voice?
No, not Earl Jones it likemuchacho.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know he's talking to Conan, so.
But then I heard like his voice.
I was like damn, that's a deepvoice.
And so he sounds like Vader.
That's just me growing up, likein between.
He's like oh, that is Vader.
And I'm like oh shit, and Irealized who is James Earl Jones
.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
You know, oh man, that's so cool, but that was it
was always cool to see himwhenever he did cameos related
to like star wars.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
He did rogue one when he did with not her.
Find out that james earl jonescame back and did rogue one,
vader, I lost my shit to get himlike hey, bro, I know you're
retired, and I gave him the fivehe only had a couple lines, but
he still did rogue one dude, itwas great.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
It was a peak vader, you know it was yeah and now,
and I feel like for futureprojects, if they're gonna bring
back vader and it going to haveto be Hayden Christensen.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's going to have to be that voice which I think
worked in the Obi-Wan series.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I mean you can just AI, you know, but the feeling
Hayden is an actor so he can getthe mmm out of it.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
You still need that gravitas that they bring to the
character.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
But you can just AI it.
You can just be like, alright,I'm going to, but give me that.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Have Hayden Christensen take over.
I think it would be like a goodpassing the torch kind of thing
.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
You know it would be cool if they, because you
remember how, already in Obi-Wan, they overlaid both of their
voices.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
What if they did that for a little bit more and then?

Speaker 1 (13:30):
eventually it faded out less like the AI for a
little bit, and then eventuallyit goes straight over to Hayden.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I like that.
I like that you're right,because you you've memorized
Earl Jones forever.
Like bro.
You just can't get it, bro,like I get AI, but that's James
Earl.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Jones and then for younger like his voice got
jacked, the voice mic got jackedor something that makes sense
well he died for younger.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I mean they recognize Hayden Christensen as our Vader
more than anybody else yeah.
So I think that would work.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, man, I think that would work too.
I think that would be great.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Especially because Hayden Christensen is open for
it right now.
But did you hear him at theHugh McGregor star speech or
like whenever he got thisHollywood star?
Yeah, how he was.
Just like I hope we get moreObi-Wan Kenobi.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
And I'm like, oh, bro , for another project they
canceled what was that show theAcolyte.
Oh, I actually finally watchedthe Acolyte, was it as?

Speaker 1 (14:18):
terrible, as everybody said.
No, I actually.
So you were cool with theheadbutt and the sabers and like
the old school, like FlyingTiger, hidden Dragon.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
They did that.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, that's Crouching Tiger, hidden Dragon?
Not really, I don't think itdeserves all the hate that he's
getting.
Okay, okay sell it for me, brookay, so the acolyte is based in
the high republic period, sohe's a hundred years before, uh,
you know the skywalker saga.
Uh, so it's a different timenow.
A couple things that you haveto kind of know.

(14:47):
Going into it start with a lotof established lore.
Yeah, the acolyte is gonnaignore all of it, not all of it
I'm hating on it hey that's it.
That's the social media, heyyou're right, that's the social
media.
Hey, you're right.
Uh, it's gonna ignore a lot oflore, but it's not gonna ignore
a lot of it and it sets up somereally good concepts.

(15:09):
Like it sets up some reallygood concepts about what a jedi
is, about what, uh, what acorrupt Jedi is, or what's the
right path for a Jedi.
It really sets up some reallygood concepts.
Oh, that's interesting.
Most people were mad about thisForce cult like a coven of
witches.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, the witches, space witches, they can create
life.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
They created life out of nothing.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
No, there is witches in Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
There's the Nightsisters which they get a
mention they're likeNightsisters.
It's like no well, nightsisters, don't take care of junglings.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
No, they rob them.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, so there is a reference to the Nightsisters.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
So these are different people from them.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
That's not what this is.
It's not the Nightsisters.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, because the Force is like.
Anybody can use the Force.
Not anybody, not anybody, well,not anybody, but but this
specific people are like becausethe universe is so vast, and
that's the thing.
What people really don't likeabout catholic canady is like
there's too many humans becausethe universe is diverse.
So, like the nice sisters, theylook like zombie bitches, right
, or but that's the thing islike among them, a specific few

(16:10):
can like use it for up to thelevel of uh, what's his name?
Darcidius, you know.
Up to that high level they canuse it, right.
So that's one of the thingsthey don't like about catholic
and he's like too many humans.
There's too like and this is apoint about the empire is like
the empire wanted humans.
They're like the ss and if thegalaxy was all kind of like uh,
goofy looking monsters from the70s.
If you walk into that bar thatluke walked in and they look

(16:33):
like vampires and fucking thebug and shit.
But if he's not this new series, he was like there's too many
humans.
Even the one with the Andor youknow Andor's painting, that
concept, that like.
That's the problem with theempire Like suddenly there's too
many humans.
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, pay attention to that.
You're right yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
That's the.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
There's stuff like that.
The reason they hit on it isnot just because of Acolyte, but
because of the one who touchesit, which is Catherine Candy,
because she does a habit ofdoing that, like she ruins the
lore that's already been written.
It was like hitting Christendomis Anakin and Anakin sealed the
story Like it looped it, butHomegirl was like nah, fuck that

(17:10):
, you know, homegirl.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Wants to go back into it, and that's what I'm saying.
The acolyte does ignore a lotof the lore and you could kind
of tell the parts it's like.
Well, this is being made bypeople that don't know star wars
yeah, exactly it's, it's.
You see it in the writing andyou see it in the directing.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Almost yeah, like the interviews, the way they're
using the force.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
The force is all of a sudden magic you know yes which
is not.
They kind of abuse it a littlebit too much.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Which forces Buddhism , because he's the guy I mean.
Lucas is a Buddhist, so there'sno yin.
When you're yang, you use both.
That's what he tries to get atyou.
Because, Yoda was dumb To adegree.
Yoda fucked up.
He was too good.
There was no balance.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Right, yeah, otherwise, you know, they touch
upon the balance because it'skind of planting seeds for what
the Skywalker saga is.
So I do kind of see where thestory was meant to go, because
this idea that they created lifeout of nowhere, that they
created these twins out of theforce.
You see, there's an Easter eggin the very last episode where
you see a dark figure and Ithink they're supposed to be

(18:08):
dark turrets.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
You know you read the stories online.
Plagueis, Darth Plagueis, I'msorry.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Darth Plagueis.
Yeah, plague is darth plague.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, that plague is.
And that's who?
Uh, who defeated death or whocould create life?
Oh, yeah, that's the guy, anduh that that goes into the whole
theory that, uh, this is how hefigured it out, kind of that
anakin was uh conceived from theforce.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, yeah no, I get it because they're gonna like
use that he's like.
Oh, so they were going to usethat storyline.
Because Darth Plagueis, themain bad guy in Star Wars.
He's an evil space wizard.
So the wizard part is he'll usealien wizardry.
So to Plagueis, he'll go meetthe witches.
How do y'all do that shit?
All right, let me learn.
And he just say I I'm guessinghe brought in.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
That would make sense .
That's how they introduced thatconcept of bringing life from
the Force in the Acolyte andthen they expanded that in Dark
Plague.
Obviously that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well, and then the reason they got a lot of hate is
like well, if this witchesscould do it, then anybody could
consume life from the Force.
But it's not.
I don't think they quite did itlike that, because they
explained it a little moreforces throughout the universe,
but there are spots in theuniverse where force is like
stronger.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I think they call it a convergence.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
In this planet there's a convergence of the
force, and in this particularspecific planet, that's where
this force cult.
That's what they call it.
And I think that also makessense that big-ass universe,
there will be all these smallerforce cults that are living in
Hagenin that are doing are usingthe force in their own way.
Yeah, Like what they call it.

(19:45):
They don't call it the force.
The witches they talk aboutpull on the thread.
You know nobody uses the thread, you can only pull it a certain
way.
They're not using the force,they're pulling the threat so I
mean they got a whole they got awhole, not a take on the force,
which probably threw a lot ofpeople off and the fact that

(20:07):
it's not you know, the fact thatit's the kind of like not even
paying attention to too much ofthe lore and just establishing
new lore.
It kind of probably like putoff a lot of people, but if you
ignore some of that, they won't.
I think the show actually setsup a lot of cool concepts.
The villain itself, the villain, is the best part of the show.
Homeboy with the helmet right,the stranger and, yes,

(20:30):
head-butting lightsabers.
I actually think that's prettyfucking cool.
The helmet is made of, uh,corotite, uh-huh.
Uh, it interferes withlightsaber, uh, that's fucking
insane, okay.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
So okay, introducing that concept, but without
knowing that and just seeing it.
You know, like if, because,like when I saw that if that's
how, if that's how people weretrying to get you to get a bad
taste on it with, obviouslywithout giving you out of
context- I.
I'm like that looks dumb In theStar Wars universe it's the
savers, and the savers failright, yeah, like, immediately,
just like.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
But it's because the metal that the helmet is made of
interferes with the crystal,with the kyber energy or
whatever, and that's a sensoryhelmet.
You know the helmets that theyuse to train the padawans that
you're not able to see or hear.
That's a sensory helmet thatyou're not able to see or hear.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
He actually talks about the helmet another thing
that they don't like is becausethere's already so many written
lore and books like where to gofrom Star Wars, like at the end
of star wars.
The movie ends like theoriginal the, with with uh,
anakin prime, like he defeatedthe darth vader.
He defeated, like that's anakinprime, but then you don't get
to see.
I mean a luke prime you don'tget to see a luke prime, but

(21:41):
there are books like where itcontinues from there, like uh,
before the whole darth maul, itwas a girl who they actually
called the acolyte, which is thetwilight, the one with the,
with the thing, yeah well in theentire series.
They're always sex slaves.
That's what they always arelike they.
They saw that again the starwars are sold out to the side,
or they look sexy, and even theone with, uh, with the big slug,
java, yeah, that they'rechilling and sexy because

(22:03):
they're sex slaves, even themale ones, and like, well,
they're sort of the opposite,right.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
So Twi'lek ended up becoming Hopefully, and the
Twi'lek well, it depends.
We're going to Star Wars booksthat you've been reading, the
original ones, yeah, theoriginal ones and in it the
Twi'lek became a Sith, becamethe Acolyte.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
She became the next one, the next one like Big Bad,
and then before that, there'sthis bigger one, which is like
all these Mandalorians, likethey go, fuck it.
They start invading half thegalaxy and then like, but
nobody's paying attentionbecause, like, among them is one
Mandalore that has the blackblade Right and he's leading the
crusade, like to covering Jediversus the Republic, versus all

(22:45):
these Mandalorians.
That's the one that peoplereally wanted to see, because
that happens in between.
That leads to this one majorcharacter called Raven, and
Raven is supposed to be like asbig as, not as stronger than,
vader, because he goes bad togood and good to bad.
Like they really wanted KeanuReeves to play because he's like
Keanu.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Reeves.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, he looks like Keanu Reeves apparently, but
that one is a better storybecause that was like all the
Mandalorians go full war versusall the Jedi go full wars with
the Republic.
It's like a three-way fight.
Man, that's cool.
That was what happened before.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
That leads to Vader, you know that leads to Anakin,
but that's the one people reallywanted because it's a whole
story to that and it sucksbecause both of those storylines
that he's talking about theyended up going to Star Wars.
What are they called Legends ofthose storylines that he's
talking about?
They ended up being going toStar.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Wars.
What are they called?
Legends, Legends, Star WarsLegends?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
It was all that lore that was all over the place
because throughout the yearspeople just wrote books without
like connecting them.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
No, no, they're connected.
They are approved by GeorgeLucas.
The thing is that CatherineCandy was the one that was like
nah, fuck this disney bottom.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Before disney bottom there were like multiple
storylines and people would justwrite they were approved by
look of film, but people wouldjust write storylines without
really connecting them no,they're, they're connected,
they're all connected all theway to like what happens right
after like after one.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
This is general that comes out after the generals of
twilight leads on.
So there's more to it andthey're all like approved by
george yeah, but there are morelike that's why.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
That's why they have to get rid of it, but that's the
thing about Kathy.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Kathy Kennedy was like nah, like she really
out-canned a lot of it, oractually the whole thing Disney
in general.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
But mostly Kathy Kennedy, the one that South Park
made fun of.
Yeah, that's what I'm about tosay.
I'm like if you guys know whatwe're talking about.
We're not checking it, so thatall went to Star Wars Legends.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
And what sucks?
Original movie luke prime.
There's all these comic booksthat continue the storylines.
Yeah, yeah, that's a good storyfor vader because it's like
when vader was hunting down thejedis and stuff or whatever.
Like this whole comics on vader, just fucking shit up there's a
whole comic we run, obi one,kenobi.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
That's really good.
Uh, when obi-wan and anakin wasa padawan oh, there's all these
storylines.
I give it a little morebackground, but it's hard
because then they have to beconnected.
But now it's all part of thelore, you know, and nobody has
time to read all the comic books.
So all, all the books arecoming out.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I've seen one like one particular page from one of
the comic books from star Warsand I thought it was one of the
most gangsta ones I've seen.
It's a Darth Vader on Tatooineagain and he's like we have you
surrounded, darth Vader.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
He's like.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I'm surrounded by dead men.
Oh, I'm surrounded by fear, ohand dead men.
That's what it is.
I'm surrounded by fear.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
And dead men.
That's what it was.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
I was like dead men, dead men, dead men no, but I
actually recommend the acolytefor star wars fans all right, I
gotta check it out go into itlike skeptical because you might
not like it so low expectationslow expectations.
But if you're going to like Imyself, I believe that social
media hype I was like, oh, this,this is gonna be some like work
show about, uh, lesbian spacewitches that's what I'm under

(25:43):
the impression of.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, I saw that part but the the force called star
wars four or five.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Well, the Force Cult is part of the story, it's not.
It doesn't you only spend oneepisode with the Spade Witches?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Oh, that's it.
Yeah, oh, bro, they made itseem like that happened every
episode no, no, no, you onlyspend one episode.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
I mean, it's just references flashbacks or
whatever, yeah, well, thatepisode is one big flashback to,
to, to the witches.
Oh, the witches happened in thepast oh yeah man, you're
dealing with the consequences ofthat disaster that happened oh,
social media, hold them dog, nobro and again the the
lightsaber fights are reallygood are they fast-paced like

(26:28):
old-school shit?
No, I'm not going to lie, it'snot duel of the fates, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
I mean nothing's going to compare to duel of the
fates.
But, it's a good take onlightsaber fights.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I just want to know.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Andor, bro, Andor was so peak bro, do you want to
know why?

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Star Wars is coming back.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I cannot wait.
Do y'all want to know why StarWars lightsaber fights aren't so
peak anymore?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Everybody doesn't.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well, because they changed the lightsabers.
They actually put like LEDlightsabers now I forgot what
the fuck they're called, butthey're like, they have
batteries and they're fullyfunctioning.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
That's how they get the proper lighting on the 70s
one, the one where they hadinvader looks even cooler well,
no those were actual duels too.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
You know, yes, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, well what?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
hayden christensen talks about that.
He's just like, well, he's likethe reason why we're so able to
go so hard in our fucking, ourfight scenes?
Because they're, they're poly,uh, urethane fucking oh, that's
just plastic.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, they're plastic , they're plastic swords.
And then cgi and they couldbeat the shit.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
All right, fuck, it gets a new one that weighs you
know a fraction of the weightfrom the the new ones now, so
they were actually able tocompete and do real combat shit
versus.
They're like, all right, we'regonna do 400 takes.
Would you swing around thisfucking this?
Uh, this 20 pound, uh,lightsaber, have fun like no,
it's not gonna work, you know.
So that's why I didn't know thatyeah when you think about it,
when you go back, and that'swhat they even talk about, I
think it was, um, the obi-wanand anakin fight in uh three.

(27:47):
Um, yeah, in episode three theyhad to slow down that fight in
order for the camera to catcheverything, oh, or the obi-wan
moves in episode one they had toslow down.
I'm sorry, that's the scene I'mtalking about.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, that scene, yeah yeah, it was going so damn
fast, so fucking fast.
You couldn't see it on thevideo that's what I want to see.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
yeah, that's when they're gangsters, fuel and fate
still going into the day.
Yeah, I'll give it to them.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
You know, but, yeah man

Speaker 2 (28:14):
that's what we did this summer.
That's really the number onething I can like.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
We're going to her fall arc, so we'll bring more
adventures.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Hell yeah man.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I'll bring that around.
She'll be coming around themountain when she comes After
the MDA.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
After the MDA Facts, bro.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
What else did we do this summer?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Your mom Sideways.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I guess we didn't mean to talk about Star Wars for
that long, but as soon as youbring it up.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's like Lord Star Wars by about Star Wars for that
long but as soon as you bringit up, it's like Lord Star Wars.
By the way, did you guys hearthe new shit that just dropped?
We haven't talked about StarWars in a minute anyway, and
it's been a while which isn'tthere.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
The acolyte, like another word for Padawan.
You know it's the Sith Lord andthe acolyte would be the
Padawan, yeah, to be anotherSith.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I think it was supposed to be Maul that
survived, because Maul wassupposed to take over the
Underworld In the Clone Warsyeah.
And then it was supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
He was still supposed to be Diagonal.
He was supposed to take.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
No, diagonal was supposed to be the Twilight
League, the sex league, and thenit was supposed to be Prime
Luke.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Come and save the day , but you're going to see like a
prime Luke all the way, bro youknow that's sick dog, yeah, and
also cool to see the Jedi Orderin, like you know, high
Republic era.
So I actually wish that they'drenew Act Life for season two.
I think it already officiallygot canceled oh they do.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, they officially got it.
What do you call it?
The Mandalorian and Gru, orsomething like that.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Oh yeah, the movie out, it's a movie, it's a movie.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I thought it was a series again, if I'm not
mistaken I I I have I screenrecorded the trailers I meant to
drop that in the group chat.
Yeah, yeah, but uh, yeah, it'sout there, it's out there, uh,
it's, uh, it's uh, grogu, andyou know a movie?
Yeah, it's a movie, though.
Yeah.
Well, either that or they getmy own series too.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Big boy, he's marvel boy now yeah, he's either that
or he's getting his own series.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
But I'm almost positive he's the same, uh, in
the same building, but adifferent department.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
He's up there now he's on the same building but a
different floor.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
His contract with Disney doesn't expire for
another 20 years.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
They wrote his ass out.
He's going to retire with HughJackman, bro.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
But I want more Star Wars content.
The thing is, I want people totry stuff.
The acolyte was them tryingsome shit.
I want more people to try someshit, clone Wars.
Don't stick to the same thing.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Try Clone Wars Trust Filoni Trust Filoni Trust Filoni
Trust Filoni.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
But I am an advocate of letting people just try some
shit.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Fuck Kathy Kennedy all day.
Yep, well, he said it.
No, thank you, I'm good bro.
I'm good bro, I'm allergic tocaffeine.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Come, in this fall, to a screen near you.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
More podcasts, that's right, ladies and gentlemen,
that's right y'all, anythingelse?

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Suki, what'd you do this summer?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Oh, hot damn.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, looks like we ran out
of time.
This has been one of your hosts.
It's your boy, merc.
Please make sure you guys arefollowing us on twitter,
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Uh x fed um.
You should respond.
I was already in spotify applemusic, amazon podcast stitcher.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I heart radio, all that and this is your boy, oscar
, in the mids.
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Speaker 2 (31:49):
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