November 13, 2024 • 40 mins
The power struggle in Gotham reaches its peak in "The Penguin" season finale. Colin Farrell's unique portrayal of Oswald Cobblepot paints him as a master of deception, willing to do whatever it takes to reach the top. The boys talk about his backstory and his twisted relationship with his mother. The Penguin's transformation in this final episode cements his title as a true villain and Gotham's underworld Kingpin. Did you see the Court of Owls!? How about "The Godfather" references!? Hey, wait... This can't be right... Catwoman is Sofia's sister!? Find out on this week's episode of Witty Banter Media!!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you so much for tuning into the wbm podcast.
This is one of your hosts it'syour boy, mark.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome back.
Everybody feels good to be back.
Feels good to be back.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
This is your boy x-fan and here's your boy oski,
in the mix Guys if you don't getit.
We're talking about the.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Penguin.
It just wrapped.
Season finale was epic Greateight episodes and we're all
about it.
This episode.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's right, guys.
We're talking about allspoilers, last episode, the
entire series of the Penguin,matt Reeves universe, make sure
you go watch it.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
if you haven't watched it Spoilers or even if
you need something to convinceyou to watch it.
Listen to this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
That's right guys.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
All right guys, you guys ready, ready.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Let's fucking go.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, we're back for another week.
I know we took a little bit ofa break, but we just had to wait
for the Penguin to end, becauseit was that good.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It was that good, hot damn.
I really didn't.
There was nothing else I waswatching right now.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
There was nothing else.
We were watching Peak.
He wanted to go learn martialarts.
I did.
I decided to take a trip to amonk A monastery, a monastery, a
monastery.
To a monk To a monastery.
To a nunnery with you, findinner peace.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And I stay here with both their moms to take care of
them.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Now you set them up, bro.
How's it?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
going.
How's it going?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I can't even be mad at you.
Call me Victor.
Oh yeah, I'm sad for it, likewe always do?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
We're talking about peaking this TV.
It is a golden era of TV,honestly guys, absolutely guys.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I mean Colin Farrell produced man.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Colin Farrell produced it.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, oh Like, what are you talking about?
But?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Colin Farrell did such a good job.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
He delivered.
That's right, my man.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
We talked about it during the premiere.
We talked about it during theBatman movie.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But after watching all eight episodes, god, what a
performance.
Yeah man, he does everything,bro.
Best actor, best actress, bestdirector, best cinematographer,
best dancer, best guy thatbrought the cookies that day at
staff.
I'm sure he ordered uber foreverybody, so he gets in the war
for that too like everythingright he gets his own makeup
award.
You know, I know he didn't dohimself, but you know,
everything was so good about him, bro, for.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
For sure, the series is probably going to get an Emmy
for best leading actor andactress.
Probably yeah absolutely.
They're definitely going to getan Emmy for best costume design
.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Absolutely man, and if it was good that you know
custom design is back, you knowAt least.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
No man.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Too much.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
CGI out there man.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Absolutely Very the fact that they used all.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
it was all makeup, it was all like prosthetics on
Colin Farrell.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Absolutely.
And grade A acting, bro, gradeA acting, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And you know what, on this last episode it's crazy
how, yeah, we see him like alllike I don't know, basically
like all fancy, but in this lastepisode he looked very
disheveled and you could see iton his eyebrows and his hair.
He looked sick man.
He looked shoveled and you cansee it on his eyebrows, on his
hair he looks, sick man he lookssick and disheveled as the
penguin right, but then even dad, they like, designed it good
(03:09):
acting and then again it linesup to his character being
stabbed.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Obviously, but that scene with his mom yeah let's
start out there because what hismom was very important.
Because how the episode startsout with a very dark recap
reminding me of the arkham gameswhere, like sometimes, as bruce
, you navigate through hischildhood like world.
Yeah, in the games thatreminded me that, the Arkham
games where, like sometimes, asBruce, you navigate through his
childhood like world, in thegames that reminded me that
scene because you're going backin time into that specific
moment that was liketraumatizing, because you know,
(03:33):
cobblepot says that scene in theepisodes to homegirl.
Like, hey, when I was a kid mymom was depressed.
Come to find out she comes outmaking decisions to cap her own
son that day.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Because, like she said, I'm raising the devil.
It was a good callback to theearlier episode where it was
like, yeah, it was just me andmy mom.
We went out dancing and that'show she finally got better.
She got over the death of mybrothers.
Yeah, how he interpreted it.
It was a callback, a veryspecific callback earlier in the
season to that night.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, man.
And that sets the tone To whatkind of a demon Is the penguin
man?
Cause it tells you Right offthe bat, bro, there's no saving
this Thing.
You know, I know it's in thebody Of a child, as they say,
when the show right, obviouslyit is a child, and shout out to
the little kid the actor.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
The little kid actor.
Oh, that played.
Yeah, young Cobblepot, youngCobblepot yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Good job.
He was talking about how thepsyche of the character I was
like, oh man, you're so youngalready like breaking down the
character he was into it.
He was so good, absolutely, man.
Shout out to that actor, man.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Already such a thespian Hey-o.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I thought it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well, he's like look you can do two things you can
cherish this and nurture this,and he can be a fucking menace.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, pablo Escobar.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
The way he sold.
It was good man or you can lethim go.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But when you mean let him go, bro, that scene was
fucking wild, dog, I can take aride and the fact that a child
that killed his two brothers.
Don't forget a child thatkilled his two brothers
knowingly killed his twobrothers, lied to his mom about
it, bro, and then she knew hewas sick dog.
Whenever he's like I know youmiss mom, I do too oh yeah, that
(05:19):
shit was diabolical crazydiabolical man no, I like the
way they set up the scene.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
We basically go back in time and we see the young
version of her, that actress andthen we see the older version
in the past yes and then, as thescene progresses, there's a
moment where she questions it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
She's peak.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, she questions the scene and all of a sudden
you see the red strobe light andyou see Julian in the
background.
That was so good, that was sogood man, because she gets
pulled out of the scene.
And then Julian is like we'restill here, we're still in.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Monroe's.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Go with it that night with your kid.
Let's go back to it, do youremember?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, she's muttering
and she breaks character too.
Within the bar she's like huh,yes, I don't remember this.
It was so cool man that wasgood, that was good.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I still think that Dr Julian should have been some
kind of ode or some kind ofreference to it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Season two bro Season , two Chill or Batman 2.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Batman 2.
Or Batman 2.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Colin Farrell's already said, scenes in Batman 2
and I signed on for the thirdmovie, bro dang oh because
Jillian works at Arkham.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So he's still working at Arkham.
We find out that he went toArkham.
He still works there.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
He never quit he was here keeping an eye on Hogarth
the whole time.
He never let it go which.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I thought was amazing or like maybe his other
experiments or maybe now thathe's like man, maybe he like
messes with people in some kindof way at night, so he could
eventually become some kind ofvillain.
Uh, but it's still.
I mean, we don't really get areference to that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
This, he's just jillian I still like, I still
think it was a very cool conceptyeah I thought that whole scene
was amazing.
That was such a cool assbreakdown of how it was that
moment that she finally made thedecision because, again, even
Cobblepot sold her bro.
He's like, look, I'm gonna takecare of you, I'm gonna give you
the life, killed it, bro.
I'm telling you he sold theshit out of that to his mom.
He's like, look, I'm gonna getyou everything you deserve okay.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm gonna get you everything you deserve.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I'm gonna get you in the penthouse and she's just
like it's gonna be to be thenicest.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
People are going to look at you and they're going to
think she matters, she'simportant.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I thought they were going to say, like I dropped a
line, they're going to thinklook, that's one of the Waynes.
You know, I thought they weregoing to drop a line like that
Because they're part, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
That would have been badass.
Yeah, that would have beenbadass.
But no, just don't give up onme, bro, because, look, the
power of the mother is real, bro.
We saw it when his mom was onhis side, bro, she was a menace,
he was a menace.
They were unstoppable together.
(07:53):
But when she turned on him, bro, when she remembered all the
shit and chose to open upPandora's box, and said all that
hurtful shit.
those were all things that hehad heard, like the director
said, for the first time, thatwas a therapeutic session that
was going on, bro, that waspersonal shit.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Even Sophia is calling it out.
This is good for y'all.
This is a therapy session.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
No, and the fact that he was willing to let his own
mom's pinky go.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
He's like no man, Mom , this is your nah man, it's
your mind, it's your disease.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
This never happened.
I thought you were going to saywe never had brothers.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Fuck you.
Oh shit, that's his mama, bro,that's his mama.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And then mama said you were willing for them to
take my pinky on.
I hate you.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I hate you.
I never stopped hating you.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Just tell her already , bro.
Fuck just tell her stoppedhating.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You just tell her already, bro, fuck just tell her
, I know, but the thing is.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Here's the thing this is real because it really
happened in real life.
I like compare the history ofPablo, because his mom, she wore
the best Gucci suits at her age65, 50, while he was blowing up
his country.
But the mom cherished thismonster because in return, this
monster gave her they hadPicassos In their house, they
(09:05):
had jewelry.
So, like, this really happened,like Pablo really Like put her
mom At the behest of his youknow, and then he did what
Penguin did.
No, I gave you jobs, I gave you, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I took care of the people.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Remember we had a conversation.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
About this.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
In one of our podcasts earlier.
So you see this Everything withPenguin.
But at the end of the day,apollo don't give a shit,
neither does Penguin you knowHigh level evil.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You know he does love his mom Bro.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But, his mom having a stroke.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
His mom was still a badass.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
She made a deal with the devil she was.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
We didn't talk about it, but in the second to last
episode, whenever she confrontsSophia, the first time she.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
She was such a bad bitch.
She was such a bad bitch, bro.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
She was such a bad bitch, she was telling her I was
like my son played all of y'all.
No, that's what I'm saying.
She created this monster.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
She made a deal with the devil.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
She did, and that's why her faith was that.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So she's like you got what you wanted, you got the
penthouse, but at what cost?
At that cost.
But before we like all poor herlike back to the Gigante, like
with Rex guy, he's like shechose the other option.
Instead of saying like hey, gofor a ride with Rex, she said
like alright, fuck it, I'm gonnaclimb this motherfucker to the
(10:12):
top you know, and she sure didshe used him.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
She sure did, and he's like.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I'm loyal to you she could be mad about it, but you
know she knew the stroke, bro.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I didn't see that shit coming.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
When she had the stroke I was like oh, no, I felt
so bad, I thought that she died.
Well see.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I like that they set that up, that his mom could
still come out of the vegetativestate, yeah, so basically she's
still awake in there in someway oh, maybe that was a tease
that even though she's in therelike her mind still works in
there.
Yeah, yeah again because theyagain.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
The director said it very well.
He's like he got all the way tothis point for her.
He is now too selfish to lether go she is now they both are
in the state that he neverwanted to see her in yeah a
vegetative state, a state whereyou know they couldn't, they
couldn't fuck with each other.
And that's exactly where they'reat now and I feel like, again,
that's the best penance for thisfucking guy who had to turn
over on so many people to getwhere he was, like he wanted to
(11:08):
get he happened to him likemultiple times too, whenever he
was fighting sal maroney.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, yeah maroney barbecued his fucking family.
Maroney gets a heart attack.
You know, yeah, yeah, andpenguin is like come on, sal,
we're supposed to.
You're supposed to take me out.
Yeah, you were supposed to takeme out, you're supposed to
destroy me bro.
I beat you, Let me have this.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You know, I beat you.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You hear me, I'm better he gets taken away from
him.
And that's the same thing withhis mom.
He gets taken away from him.
He doesn't get to like whoa,that's random.
He just had a heart attack.
No, he's not, because he's likeI should have shorted you.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
He didn't savor the gun down.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It was stolen Like that wind was stolen from him by
a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That makes a lot of sense.
That makes a lot of senseInstead of a fight to the death.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He just killed over it, bro.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
He just fought a dying man that was past his.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
He gets so mad he shoots him like three times
after that.
Yeah, he shoots him becausehe's mad and he's mad.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
That's that impulse, but the fact the way that he was
able to turn that story to thecouncilman, bro.
Fucking genius, oh man.
Genius, that was good, geniusthat was good.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, it's like under all that rubble you're going to
find one of the biggest druglabs.
You know, You're going to findSalvatore Maroney Well his man
oh bro.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
And what caused it?
And Sofia blew it up.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
She went crazy after her brother died.
You know that shit was wild andhe paints it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You can blame the other party.
You see, your relaxed laws oncrime have led to this disaster
and you can ride this to the top.
Oh, you got my vote, councilman.
You turned the lights back on.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Councilman, you took out the two biggest gangsters.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Councilman, you got my vote.
No, the councilman was being anasshole, so he's just like.
I guess it's pretty good.
He's like you fucking piece ofshit.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
You know it's good.
Yeah, you know it's good.
You, son of a bitch.
And again the exchange.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He didn't ask for money.
He didn't ask for protection.
I want to be welcome in a placelike this.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
That's the worst, that's the gangster.
That's gangster as fuck bro andthat's what I love about
Penguin because they bringhomages and like I'm gonna bring
, I'm gonna start here with thegodfather, but it does put like
he's like he puts his pinky withthe Maronis and they all did,
they all put their pinky in thegovernment and you know, like
We'll help you out.
And Penguin's doing that nowand I think they even showed a
(13:24):
scene where he walks up insidethe house.
Yeah, the steps.
Where he's looking up and seesthe mayor.
I think they're teasing that.
I agree 100%.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
He's going to try to corrupt her or whatever.
Yeah, he's going to try to gether, or that he himself would
have come to mirror the city,which is like a very criminal
Kingpin thing to do, did.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh, that was a way better that was the court of
owls Cause we're there already,so yes, oh, I didn't think about
that.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Did you see the?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
court.
So, if you see, if you go incourt and it's true, I went back
to the episode the curtains areshaped In owls.
Oh, all of them.
There's like six of them, sevenof them.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And he's in the middle.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And then you bring that up, because I think that's
what happens.
I think he discovers Like theunderground world when like hey,
well, I guess you know, andthat's why he did the long pause
.
If anything happens, who am Igonna blame?
This criminal named the PenguinInstead of the Corvallos, you
know, but if you go back In theepisode, you see when he breaks
the hammer and you just payattention.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Besides, the conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it.
The curtains are in shape ofowls.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Dude, that's so Da, da, da, da, da, da, da da da,
and it makes sense as to whythere was such a wide shot of
that, why they wanted to showyou the entire court, like that
entire you know that councilroom or whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, I didn't think too much of that Go back and
check it.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Go back and check it, guys.
That's a really good referenceGo.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I was just thinking that the mayor had a slinging
arm.
I was like, oh, he figured outwhy her slinging.
That's gonna connect to season2.
Like something happened she wasin the car wreck or some shit
no, that's from the.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
That's the water, yeah mind you, this was one week
after oh, this is the the waterterrorist attack.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I completely forgot about that.
I mean again the time.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
it just seems it's wild Batman's still like injured
, like oh, my back, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And then you can see the way he got hurt.
Because if you see the movie,the way he fell in that water,
like seriously bro, I'm injuredbro.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Like I'll get up.
You know it's nobody mentioningthe Batman.
I mean, the Batman is like thisis terrible.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I just saw because he got injured Like you saw him,
he got, he really he got.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But that's a good way to put it.
It's like he's been injuredthis whole time.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
He got a shotgun, like you know, point blank.
That's right Like uh.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
He knocked the wind out of my chest, bro.
I had fun.
I wasn.
This blew up the drug lab.
He's cool.
Now Come on.
No, but Okay, real quick.
Two other things real fast.
When Sofia was willing To giveup the fucking, the business,
the whole family industry, Ithought that was cool, that she
was willing To make it out.
Oh yeah, in that second to lastepisode.
I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Cause she finally talks about how I'm still
playing my father's game.
Yeah, Like I'm still playingthe game, Yep.
So in that second to lastepisode she makes the decision.
It's like I'm done with this.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I'm out Now.
Let's bring it to thehelicarrier Right To the hangar,
to the hangar.
When that shit, when everythinggoes, left dog.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Before you get there.
It was like the thing aboutbefore you get there.
It's about her, because she hadmultiple opportunities to run
her life.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Like literally, yes, they gave you out, but like it's
, it was her like there'sanother opportunity.
When julian asked her, he'slike we could just leave.
Yes, she has multipleopportunities to get out.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
She does it because she like wants this, she wants
revenge like.
She's so like into, like on,like vengeance is like her theme
.
Is her all revenge like no, Iwant blood for what happened to
me.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I called it though, bro.
Uh pot's wife thought everybodythat she had.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
She burned her house, she lost everything and then he
finally fucking turned her in.
Bro, I called it, Iprognosticated the shit out of
that.
Yeah, man, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
So yeah, when the the hangar scene bro yeah, one of
that hangar scene was crazy tome because when, when you saw
pots, uh or uh, the penguinstart smiling, I was like no
fucking way everybody turn pop,pop pop.
Oh shit, hey, hand it over yeahgive it to me.
Nice and slow, and Vic was theone who said give me the peace
(17:20):
give me the fucking peace cause.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Then she intimidated his ass one time right, and then
she looks at him like oh shitthe fuck this listening.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
He stuttered throughout the series, which I
thought it was really good greatguy, he would still come up
every now and then, but he's, helike, started getting more when
he got mad bro in that otherepisode he was talking shit to
everybody in the uh, all theleaders, or?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
whatever.
Yeah, that was at the beginningof the episode.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, that was great, that was fucking awesome that
scene reminded me of the moviesicario, like the tension, like
we're all in the car, like thecamera's in the car you're in
the car too the audience, andlike you point out to this
explosion, like they feel likethe movie sicario.
We're like in there in thatscene, in the bridge.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yes, that's what I felt like that was a cool last
scene, dog.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It was really really cool and I think, uh, that
points to see right there.
When link walks up to him, it'slike bro, shut the fuck shut
the fuck up.
Know your place but uh, knowyour place, but at the same time
it's Link.
He's the one that turns.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
And Vic was the one that said that from the
beginning.
Even Oz admitted it.
He's like.
I never thought turning Linkwould be the fucking smart move.
But you're right.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And when Sofia asked him how do you flip Link?
Because, it wasn't even Penguinthat flipped him, it was
fucking.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Victor, it was his boy, bro, yes, and he was like
the guys got tired of gettingthe fuck over, which is even
more fucked up, because I don'tthink Penguin would have had to
win if Victor didn't flip him.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
He wouldn't have dog.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, it was it.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
He was the one that gave him the out.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's right, that was it, bro, that was it.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
And that here ends up killing him.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Look, you know what's crazy.
The dude homeboy that workedfor the Triads Link was actually
honest move we let's.
It's time to do it now, becausethere was a moment there
whenever he's calling link islike yo, where are you, where
you at?
Yeah, it's a setup.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I was like he's fucking him over bro and then in
the end he's like nah, bro,that was a real ass phone call.
Hey, bro, she's making themovie.
You ready to make the shit?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
yeah so it was awesome to see that shit come
all the way fucking full circlefor you.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So that was very, very cool, okay, just real quick
, like I know I mentioned alittle bit earlier, like all the
homages that Penguin does togangster movies.
Yeah, like the scene aboutFlippant like that you brought
up, like how each underlingkills their own boss, which is
very brutal.
Oh yeah, but I wonder if youguys, whoever the editor,
whoever it probably be, likethere's a scene by scene
comparison.
(19:23):
It reminded me a lot of how theGodfather, part One, ended,
which is a baptism, a satanicbaptism.
Because at the end they ask,they ask Marco Corleone, do you
reject Satan and all his wordsof pleasing you, a Catholic
Satan?
He's like yes, I do, I rejectSatan.
Right, as soon as it happens inthat movie the piano goes and
then every scene cuts in.
Marco Corleone kills all fivebosses of the high-level
(19:48):
families in New York City.
Oh shit, one gets shot, shutdown the elevator.
One gets his cutthroat when hewas getting a shave, one gets
gunned down when he's with hismistress.
You know.
He's like do you uh, michaelCole?
You know, uh, a love God.
And above all that the Catholicsaying he's like I do.
A next scene he shootseverybody else Right of the
ending of Godfather.
(20:09):
How Michael solidifies hisposition as the Godfather by
taking every single top memberout.
Penguin does the same.
He solidifies his position bytaking every top member down.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
That's right, yeah, doug, yeah he makes the place,
everybody.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
He does man.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
He does a great job at it and at the same time,
those people that killed theirleaders I mean they still wanted
that top seat.
Yes, leaders, I mean they stillwanted that top seat.
Yes, they were all like, yeah,absolutely, link is gonna get to
lead the dialogue.
But and then sofia asked him,he's like, well, I don't know if
that's gonna work, but he'sgonna get a chance to lead the
dialogue.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I was like that's, all he wanted was a chance, the
same thing that vic wanted.
Just give me a chance.
You know that's what he said inthe very fucking beginning.
Yeah, but I love it now,because now they're indebted to
oz.
Yeah, they are Because of him.
They grew the balls to actuallymake the move.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So, yeah, now that's why he's going to be leaving
this shit.
And Oz gets stronger by puttinghim in the political position.
It's hard for these, like theDai Lao and everybody else, to
get him if he has politicalstrong connections.
Absolutely yeah, it makes ittougher on them.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But okay, so now I mean all great shit.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Now we're at the ending.
Right, fucking Sophia getscaught.
She's back in Arkham.
She's fucked man.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I thought it was crazy, bro, because in that
scene, you know, she thinks thatOz is gonna shoot her.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Oh man, she takes her last, final breath, bro and
she's legit, she knows like, sheknows she's welcoming death,
yeah, yeah.
And then cut to the cop showingoff and you can see it in her
face.
Fuck, because to her this is afate worse than worse than death
.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Going back to arkham and he's like finally got out.
He's like you're going to hell,sweetheart.
Like I was like damn I'm notkilling you, stupid yeah, but at
the same time I can double itshort because she says I'll save
you a seat.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You know absolutely look, look, if she sees his ass
in Arkham, which eventuallyhe'll get there because of
Batman.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, it's on, dun, dun dun dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,
dun, dun, bro, I'm telling you,it's pretty good man.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
You know, I myself thought he was going to shoot
her.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Me too.
I thought he was going to putthe bullet too.
I was like it's a close-up shot, it's going to be graphic, it's
just going to be a flash oflight.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I thought it was going to be like splatter and
shit Is it going to cut to black?
Is it going to be like?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
a thing where, like the imagination, just cut to
black to hear the sound effect.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh, we're going to hear the shot You're going to
hear the shot Black Nothing, orit's Fucking the boy style Slow
motion, like bullet coming tothe forehead.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Oh shit, yeah, yeah, oh, I actually thought it was
going to be a scene where sheclosed her eyes and the camera
kind of spanned likehorizontally and she's in her
already her female two.
Oh yeah, that would've been.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I thought that'd be the.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Scorsese shit.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, I thought that.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
That would've been.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
That was the best plot.
The fact that he didn't killher and sent her back to Arkham
it was all part of the plan.
It was all part of thenarrative that you later find
out that was the best plotabsolutely fucking great
spoilers.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
No, no, no, and then ultimately, alright.
So now, if you're this far, soOz at this point, now makes it
back home to the Flatiron Tower,right, or it's the Flat Tower,
or whatever, the flat building,the Flatiron Building over there
in New York it looks like theFlatiron Building, but I mean
it's Gotham City.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, it's Gotham City, but their version of it.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Wait, after he takes her he goes straight to his mom.
But his mom, when we circle inthe back, oh shit, you're right
Giant scene, one of the bigscenes down circling back
circling back.
That's where we started yeah,yeah, uh, well, she became the
best state when, like, she meetsher.
You know the deal with thedevil, like you know, yeah, cash
is in.
Yeah, cash is in.
That's right, because he evensaid, hey, I probably promised
(23:39):
to fulfill.
You know, like, that's kind oflike airy now that you think
about it the way he said it.
Yeah, but that was I don't knowif you said it here podcast or
you said it like post but histransformation, like uh, I'm
glad I want to bring it up nowbecause you can see, like in
that scene, like his, his, uh, Idon't know if they made it
darker, but his uh yeah, yeah,right here over those few over,
(24:00):
I think, it's like over that dayhe's been, he's been through
some shit.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, he's been stabbed.
Explosion yeah mom.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
You know it's crazy that would make up when the
prosthetics you can kind of seethat he's getting darker.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Absolutely so.
I thought it was really coolwith one of the emotional scenes
that he has in the nurseWhenever she goes, he goes off.
He's like you're just a stupidfucking nurse.
Give me the fucking doctor.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Give me the fucking doctor, I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I was like damn dog.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So anyway, victor's just sitting there like yeah,
he's like I don't know what todo.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He breaks down.
That was his mistake.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Victor should have never been in that room.
Never should have been there.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
He should have left Outside, outside, like a good
bodyguard, yep, but he was thereand he even put his hand On
Oz's back.
That's what fucked him and Ithink.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I think he actually like Also, like kind of Fucks
himself.
When he opens up to us, it'slike we're family, y'all, we're
family now.
And that's when he realizes it.
It's like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I can't have any more family.
He's like you're the onlyfamily I got left in kid and
that shit kills me and I can'tfucking have that anymore.
It's a weakness.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And so that's my confusion.
That's the evil side of it.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
We see the actual birth of the penguin as, as soon
as he gets done, choking himout bro.
That smile and the tooth Dudebro.
That was it.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Scary the way the camera focused on his face like
he became a demon.
Bro Peak cinema.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Bro Peak.
I was going to sleep but I gotscared.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Because it's been a while, like a show scared me
Like that, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
The look, the smile, the smirk, the underbite I mean
everything the angle, the light,all of it.
It was fucking badass, yeah,the way he was breathing hard
and everything.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
You're a good man.
You got to breathe hard.
When he's choking his mouth,he's like me, and you did this
together brother, me and you.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You were here from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
You saw it all.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You saw my ups and my downs.
You saw all the shit with mymoms.
You was there, vic, you was init.
I can't take you with me, sowhat?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
does that mean Like he can't take you with him
Because, like Vic, would havemoved pounds For this
motherfucker?
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Because Vic is his conscience.
That's his Jiminy Cricket.
He killed his conscience andtherefore killed his heart.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I don't know it was weird because it was like a
parallel from the beginning ofthe episode.
It's like see when rex istalking about it.
Yeah, what I look for is kidslooking for a dad.
So he talks about loyalty.
He would have had undyingloyalty in big yeah, which is
something that's referencedearlier in the episode yeah well
, he still kills him yeah, itwas like I don't know.
I mean, os is not even a goodleader, he's not even a good
(26:21):
gangster, he's not even Rex.
The gangster that he idolizes isnot even him.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I think even his dream has changed beyond that.
Now he's crossed the line, evenwhere it's crazier for him
Beyond where Rex is, because Ifeel that if Vic would have
stayed, he would have slowed himdown.
He would have told him no, youcan't do this, and where Oz is
about to go, he can't havesomebody holding him back like
that.
He's about to do darker andheavier shit.
This was bad.
Season 2 is going to get evencrazier he's going to be like
Walter White, bro.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You know what I'm saying the more hair he loses
the less fucks he gives WalterWhite.
Walter White redeemed himselfat the end by saving Jesse.
So oh, yeah.
So I give him that.
Yes, there's some similarities.
But Walter, why?
He's already affected?
Because he's saved.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I'm not saying that, I'm just saying like the less
fucks is the only.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Gangster character evil that found.
One redemption was saving Jesse, but that's for another episode
.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's gonna come full circle.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, he's stealing his money and then throwing the
ID also broke my heart becauseit just really went to show like
he just did not like give afuck?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, he didn't give a fuck, oh no.
He opens the wallet, takes themoney and then just throws the
ID so they couldn't identify thebody.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I thought he was going to keep him, bro.
To be honest, he's like get thefuck out of here.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, and then you realize he's throwing it, so
nobody identifies the body he'slike it looks like a bug.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And then he's doing one of the episodes where, like
when Sophia and Maloney crackinto Penguin's apartment, he's
like what's this?
It's a picture of his brother.
He's like oh, there's hisbrother, but they died.
And he's like man, he's gotnothing.
He's got nothing, yeah.
So.
I feel, that's what it is alsolike why he killed Vic because
there is nothing that you canget yeah, exactly nothing.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
That is hard, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well, he says nah, I can't have that weakness.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, damn and then, okay, now we're at the end, he
shows up, he's finally got thetop hat.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
It's cool yeah, the top hat, the top hat the top
tuxedo bow tie.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I was Monaco season 2 .
Speaker 3 (28:21):
There was the canes right there next to the mirror.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I thought it was amazing it is locked.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
It looks so like a villain.
It looks like this orderly, abig picture you know, but, it
looks really nice, very baroque,you know what I?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
love.
What I love was that it was thethe suit.
The tuxedo is not because heembraces the symbolism of the
penguin.
It was homeboy from the tapdancing one, the gangster that's
what that homage was.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
He's like wow when I finally made it, and that's why
that's what he's still alive.
That's what it is.
Yeah, yeah, that's what that'shis connection good callback.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, I thought it was cool and I was like, oh,
it's not because he likes becalled the penguin, it's just
that top tier level of shit andhe's already called the penguin.
He's in a penguin suit, youknow so I don't get.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
It connects to like uh he the councilman tells him
it's like if you want to beaccepted here, you have to like
you gotta look clean, you gottalook like a fucking whistle yeah
, he says it and you know that'swhy at the end he's clean as a
whistling, you know yeah, bro,absolutely and then like that
and that that the.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
The ending was so disturbing because that
prostitute lady at the episode.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yes, like the mom wearing the same, the same dress
and say tell me you love me.
Tell me you love me, ma Tell meyou're proud of me.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
He didn't say tell ma he said just tell me you love
me.
He calls her ma, bro.
Subtitles are on the chest.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Tell me you're proud of me, ma Tell me you love me.
Tell me I did good.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
This is goodbye.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
it was sad, I mean he's in the way and that was,
and that made me so because Ilike there was a comment I read
like it's like the internet'sgoing crazy, right, and I agree
with the statement.
And it made me think about itbecause, like, at the end of the
show I felt like a Gothamcitizen, helpless, crown Point,
a flood, an explosion, you know,a gang war.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
But you got the lights on, though Crown Point is
going through it.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I just got the lights on by a week after bro this
county lost their minds in twodays bro.
Imagine two weeks in the coldas Gotham.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
How the fuck do I move to Metropolis?
You know, bro, for real what'sthe rent there bro.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh, I can't, I'll stay here.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's expensive because their guy could be there
in a second you pay for thesafety.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Let me go to Star City, superman of Texas.
The Flash is quick too.
Where's the Flash Central?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
He's there in a second.
Bro, Batman is human.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That's why Gotham's so cheap, though Gotham He'll
fuck you up in medical bills.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Anyway, facts Big cinema, big cinema, big cinema.
I loved it.
Overall a fantastic oh.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Sunina Khan, with the black cat being connected,
being a Sophia Falcone Catwoman.
That was nice.
Half sister, fucking awesomeHer smiling, her smiling, at the
end in the note.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
It gave me a little bit of hope like hopefully
breaks her out, or somethingabsolutely or becomes a version
of the Huntress or some shit youknow that'd be cool.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I could see that, and then, of course, because the
Huntress was a gangster girlCatwoman.
Birds of Prey Huntress was agangster, so it would actually
fit that very well.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I could see that and she's after a pig waiter
somebody oh, I could see that Ibet a legit one, yeah, and then
check it.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
But it was good because I could have completely
forgotten about it.
Like it's not.
It's not so much a plot to itas it like oh yeah, that's right
.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, selena kyle is carmen falcon's daughter yeah,
it's like one of the plot linesof the batman I told you, bro,
to carmen falconi's jeans, bro,you had a hot dog, bro, it works
again.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I mean crazy, that was all that was all uh, planted
in the Batman, even the wholehangman storyline, how he chokes
out all his victims, that's howhe killed Selena's mom and
that's how he was gonna killSelena.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
He was gonna choke her out.
That was his MO.
That's crazy.
The episode finally fuckingfinishes on a high man bro, for
real.
Episode ends with a giantfucking flashlight.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I do hope.
I do hope that Selena Colebreaks her out and a Burst of
Prey reference would be cool.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I'm going to need Snyder Batman to appear in
Batman 2, bro and handle andslap my boy, vic bro, please.
I need Snyder Batman bro Him 2,bro and handle and get and slap
my boy, vic bro, please.
I need Snyder Batman bro Him,him bro, all the steroids bro.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
The Batfleck, yeah, the Batfleck.
We need the Batfleck in here.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I need an Arkham-style 100-piece combo,
bro.
Just everything bro.
Batarangs, batargas.
The Penguin empty, whatever thefuck.
Everything bro.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
But the the penguin empty, whatever the fuck tack
everything, bro, you know, no,but the batman floodlight at the
end was gives you a lot of hype.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, I mean, it was like the the.
I knew we weren't gonna get acameo.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I still wish, like I felt like man, we could have
gotten a little more, like Idon't know, I really want to see
gordon.
Gordon would have been cool andlike uh, arresting sofia.
But he still would get thecaptain which you know.
It's still a reference to themovie but you know, that's true.
I wanted a bigger cameo.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, no for sure.
But I mentioned like thoseactors are so high level.
I mean, at this point it's kindof hard to get them, like you
know.
Yeah, I'm not saying ColinFarrell isn't high level.
Yeah, I was about to say.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Colin Farrell's like.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
He'll be busy now after this.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
He was invested in the character too.
He wanted to do it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
But what do you think it's going to lead to?
Man, batman 2.
Batman's going to be there.
Batman's going to be a crimelord Moving his way up to
politics.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I mean in Batman 2 he's probably going to be the
same thing as in Batman 1, wherehe's not One of the big bads of
the movie, he's just a sidecharacter.
Batman's going to go to him forinformation again.
Where, like he's not the mainone of the big bads of the movie
, he's just a side characterlike batman's gonna go to him
for information again, you know,yeah he's connected.
Now he's gonna be moreconnected.
Now he's gonna be the crime bossthe kingpin yeah uh, but he's
still not gonna be one of thebig bads, you know he's gonna
(33:55):
have like a very few scenes likein the batman yeah, he's gonna
have five or six scenes, whichhas already been been confirmed.
That's my take.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I think my take for the Batman 2, I hope, because I
know Matt Reeves said that.
Well, he didn't say but there'sa high probability that they
may show Mr Freeze, which Ithink would be fantastic.
I would love to see Matt Reevestake on Mr Freeze, but I think
it'll be mostly that it's likeanother disgrled uh member of
society.
(34:22):
That's from crown point.
That uh most likely is like auh what do you call it?
A serial killer that mostlikely dips his victims in water
and freezes them, or nitricoxide or something of the sorts.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
You know they call it mr freeze.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
That's pretty fucking dark, but I'm going, I'm going
on the theme of this like, ofthis world, like and like, uh,
and he's.
He's going after what Penguinalready contaminated, which is
all those corrupt politicianswhich I think will lead, with
Harvey Dent showing up for partthree or something.
Honestly, I don't want to see aJoker in Matt Reeves' universe.
(34:59):
I hope Joker does not appear atall in the metri's universe.
I want to see like more roguevillains.
You know joker can be like justhim in the arkham, and you know
yeah yeah maybe just see him inthe background all the time
that's it.
Yeah, yeah, but joker's great,you know.
But I mean, it's such a bigrogue gallery we can explore
other villains.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, man, like this penguin the penguin doesn't
really get a lot of love in somestorylines yeah, absolutely.
So the fact that he had thiswhole series and origin story
yeah, but I've had enough jokers, bro.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
There's three jokers in the past five years yeah, I'm
good on jokers.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, yes, good on joker.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I haven't seen.
This is the only Oswald CaboPaz that we've had.
Two We've only been on TV orone, but the big screen
Absolutely.
But yeah, I mean the series isgoing to be fucking lit going
(35:51):
forward.
It's going to be cool to seewhere the franchise goes.
He is going to be a plot point.
Is it going to be all about newfamilies?
Who's going to be the new bigbad that he faces in the next
one?
Is there going to be a newrival in the gang?
I mean there's a bunch ofstories and what ifs and
variables that we'd like to seeit go down.
But you know I'm excited ifthis is what it is.
(36:12):
Season 2, from my mind, is theyjust keep it the same energy.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
It's going to be amazing.
I and again the Penguin wassupposed to be a mini series
with no second season fairenough, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Hey, it doesn't happen ever again.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Thank you, and we haven't got any confirmation of
a renewal for season two.
If it wins an Emmy, it'll getseason two.
I'm calling it right now if itwins an Emmy and if it gets like
a lot of like critical praiselittle praise yeah.
Maybe they'll make a season two, but it was meant to be as a
standalone miniseries.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
So was Joker 2, bro.
They fucking built the show.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
So was Joker 1.
Yeah, that's true.
You know what I'm saying.
Here we are.
You already know how DC works.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Come on, bro, they just need an award for it, they
won an Oscar in the last one.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Anyway, all right, boys Good stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Great episode.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You guys got any final thoughts?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
It was a great series , great series.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Go watch it guys, go check out.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
The Penguin Peak Cinema.
I put this in horror becausemaybe the ending really just
gave me the heebie-jeebies.
Yeah, but it's a great gangstershow, alone If I'm nearing a
season two.
Thank you, hbo.
Fantastic job, colin Farrell,everybody in the cast peak.
Every actress, actor, the sidecharacters, you know, even the
guy that just walked by.
(37:25):
That one episode did nothing.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Shout out, shout out to you, buddy, even him, even
this random like character that,like uh, abducts couple pod
after the explosion.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
The white with the white hair, the guy yeah, oh
yeah, oh, out with a nightstick.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, you too, buddy it looked like he was somebody
and then he just gets shot, oneshot.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I feel bad now for the little girl because she got
abandoned.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
She's just now like yeah, sofia told us yeah she's
just dead now.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Oh, that was in that second to last episode.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, she did to her what they did to her yeah, and
then she realized, but thenagain she puts her in a position
yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So it got fucked up, but again it's a Greek tragedy.
That's right, it's a criminalthriller and none of these
characters get a happy ending.
Not even Oz really gets a happyending?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
No, not even.
Well, do you think that'sforeshadowed what happened to
Batman?
No, he doesn't get a happyending.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
No, I don't think it's like that.
No, does it get a happy ending?
I don't think it's like that.
I mean, batman in the comicseventually is a fucking cat
woman.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
They have kids and shit like that.
He has Damien.
Something in the way that'swhat I was about to say he's
like well, bruce Wayne does geta happy ending.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Eventually, he does Well, depending on what timeline
that's true, depending on thetimeline.
That matters timelines.
Bruce Wayne does get a half.
An injustice is terrible anyway, and in Batman Beyond it's not
that great?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
yeah, it's not that great.
So you know, old man, bruce,you know, oh, you know what hey.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Silky, let me get your two cents.
Man, I'm really curious becauseI know you got a chance to
watch it over here with us, coonand I.
Oh no damn it.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome back.
Everybody feels good to be back.
Feels good to be back.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
This is your boy x-fan and here's your boy oski,
in the mix Guys if you don't getit.
We're talking about the.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Penguin.
It just wrapped.
Season finale was epic Greateight episodes and we're all
about it.
This episode.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's right, guys.
We're talking about allspoilers, last episode, the
entire series of the Penguin,matt Reeves universe, make sure
you go watch it.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
if you haven't watched it Spoilers or even if
you need something to convinceyou to watch it.
Listen to this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
That's right guys.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
All right guys, you guys ready, ready.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Let's fucking go.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, we're back for another week.
I know we took a little bit ofa break, but we just had to wait
for the Penguin to end, becauseit was that good.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It was that good, hot damn.
I really didn't.
There was nothing else I waswatching right now.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
There was nothing else.
We were watching Peak.
He wanted to go learn martialarts.
I did.
I decided to take a trip to amonk A monastery, a monastery, a
monastery.
To a monk To a monastery.
To a nunnery with you, findinner peace.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And I stay here with both their moms to take care of
them.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Now you set them up, bro.
How's it?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
going.
How's it going?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I can't even be mad at you.
Call me Victor.
Oh yeah, I'm sad for it, likewe always do?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
We're talking about peaking this TV.
It is a golden era of TV,honestly guys, absolutely guys.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I mean Colin Farrell produced man.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Colin Farrell produced it.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, oh Like, what are you talking about?
But?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Colin Farrell did such a good job.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
He delivered.
That's right, my man.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
We talked about it during the premiere.
We talked about it during theBatman movie.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But after watching all eight episodes, god, what a
performance.
Yeah man, he does everything,bro.
Best actor, best actress, bestdirector, best cinematographer,
best dancer, best guy thatbrought the cookies that day at
staff.
I'm sure he ordered uber foreverybody, so he gets in the war
for that too like everythingright he gets his own makeup
award.
You know, I know he didn't dohimself, but you know,
everything was so good about him, bro, for.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
For sure, the series is probably going to get an Emmy
for best leading actor andactress.
Probably yeah absolutely.
They're definitely going to getan Emmy for best costume design
.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Absolutely man, and if it was good that you know
custom design is back, you knowAt least.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
No man.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Too much.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
CGI out there man.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Absolutely Very the fact that they used all.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
it was all makeup, it was all like prosthetics on
Colin Farrell.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Absolutely.
And grade A acting, bro, gradeA acting, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And you know what, on this last episode it's crazy
how, yeah, we see him like alllike I don't know, basically
like all fancy, but in this lastepisode he looked very
disheveled and you could see iton his eyebrows and his hair.
He looked sick man.
He looked shoveled and you cansee it on his eyebrows, on his
hair he looks, sick man he lookssick and disheveled as the
penguin right, but then even dad, they like, designed it good
(03:09):
acting and then again it linesup to his character being
stabbed.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Obviously, but that scene with his mom yeah let's
start out there because what hismom was very important.
Because how the episode startsout with a very dark recap
reminding me of the arkham gameswhere, like sometimes, as bruce
, you navigate through hischildhood like world.
Yeah, in the games thatreminded me that, the Arkham
games where, like sometimes, asBruce, you navigate through his
childhood like world, in thegames that reminded me that
scene because you're going backin time into that specific
moment that was liketraumatizing, because you know,
(03:33):
cobblepot says that scene in theepisodes to homegirl.
Like, hey, when I was a kid mymom was depressed.
Come to find out she comes outmaking decisions to cap her own
son that day.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Because, like she said, I'm raising the devil.
It was a good callback to theearlier episode where it was
like, yeah, it was just me andmy mom.
We went out dancing and that'show she finally got better.
She got over the death of mybrothers.
Yeah, how he interpreted it.
It was a callback, a veryspecific callback earlier in the
season to that night.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, man.
And that sets the tone To whatkind of a demon Is the penguin
man?
Cause it tells you Right offthe bat, bro, there's no saving
this Thing.
You know, I know it's in thebody Of a child, as they say,
when the show right, obviouslyit is a child, and shout out to
the little kid the actor.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
The little kid actor.
Oh, that played.
Yeah, young Cobblepot, youngCobblepot yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Good job.
He was talking about how thepsyche of the character I was
like, oh man, you're so youngalready like breaking down the
character he was into it.
He was so good, absolutely, man.
Shout out to that actor, man.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Already such a thespian Hey-o.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I thought it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well, he's like look you can do two things you can
cherish this and nurture this,and he can be a fucking menace.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, pablo Escobar.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
The way he sold.
It was good man or you can lethim go.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But when you mean let him go, bro, that scene was
fucking wild, dog, I can take aride and the fact that a child
that killed his two brothers.
Don't forget a child thatkilled his two brothers
knowingly killed his twobrothers, lied to his mom about
it, bro, and then she knew hewas sick dog.
Whenever he's like I know youmiss mom, I do too oh yeah, that
(05:19):
shit was diabolical crazydiabolical man no, I like the
way they set up the scene.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
We basically go back in time and we see the young
version of her, that actress andthen we see the older version
in the past yes and then, as thescene progresses, there's a
moment where she questions it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
She's peak.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, she questions the scene and all of a sudden
you see the red strobe light andyou see Julian in the
background.
That was so good, that was sogood man, because she gets
pulled out of the scene.
And then Julian is like we'restill here, we're still in.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Monroe's.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Go with it that night with your kid.
Let's go back to it, do youremember?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, she's muttering
and she breaks character too.
Within the bar she's like huh,yes, I don't remember this.
It was so cool man that wasgood, that was good.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I still think that Dr Julian should have been some
kind of ode or some kind ofreference to it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Season two bro Season , two Chill or Batman 2.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Batman 2.
Or Batman 2.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Colin Farrell's already said, scenes in Batman 2
and I signed on for the thirdmovie, bro dang oh because
Jillian works at Arkham.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So he's still working at Arkham.
We find out that he went toArkham.
He still works there.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
He never quit he was here keeping an eye on Hogarth
the whole time.
He never let it go which.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I thought was amazing or like maybe his other
experiments or maybe now thathe's like man, maybe he like
messes with people in some kindof way at night, so he could
eventually become some kind ofvillain.
Uh, but it's still.
I mean, we don't really get areference to that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
This, he's just jillian I still like, I still
think it was a very cool conceptyeah I thought that whole scene
was amazing.
That was such a cool assbreakdown of how it was that
moment that she finally made thedecision because, again, even
Cobblepot sold her bro.
He's like, look, I'm gonna takecare of you, I'm gonna give you
the life, killed it, bro.
I'm telling you he sold theshit out of that to his mom.
He's like, look, I'm gonna getyou everything you deserve okay.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm gonna get you everything you deserve.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I'm gonna get you in the penthouse and she's just
like it's gonna be to be thenicest.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
People are going to look at you and they're going to
think she matters, she'simportant.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I thought they were going to say, like I dropped a
line, they're going to thinklook, that's one of the Waynes.
You know, I thought they weregoing to drop a line like that
Because they're part, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
That would have been badass.
Yeah, that would have beenbadass.
But no, just don't give up onme, bro, because, look, the
power of the mother is real, bro.
We saw it when his mom was onhis side, bro, she was a menace,
he was a menace.
They were unstoppable together.
(07:53):
But when she turned on him, bro, when she remembered all the
shit and chose to open upPandora's box, and said all that
hurtful shit.
those were all things that hehad heard, like the director
said, for the first time, thatwas a therapeutic session that
was going on, bro, that waspersonal shit.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Even Sophia is calling it out.
This is good for y'all.
This is a therapy session.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
No, and the fact that he was willing to let his own
mom's pinky go.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
He's like no man, Mom , this is your nah man, it's
your mind, it's your disease.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
This never happened.
I thought you were going to saywe never had brothers.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Fuck you.
Oh shit, that's his mama, bro,that's his mama.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And then mama said you were willing for them to
take my pinky on.
I hate you.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I hate you.
I never stopped hating you.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Just tell her already , bro.
Fuck just tell her stoppedhating.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You just tell her already, bro, fuck just tell her
, I know, but the thing is.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Here's the thing this is real because it really
happened in real life.
I like compare the history ofPablo, because his mom, she wore
the best Gucci suits at her age65, 50, while he was blowing up
his country.
But the mom cherished thismonster because in return, this
monster gave her they hadPicassos In their house, they
(09:05):
had jewelry.
So, like, this really happened,like Pablo really Like put her
mom At the behest of his youknow, and then he did what
Penguin did.
No, I gave you jobs, I gave you, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I took care of the people.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Remember we had a conversation.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
About this.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
In one of our podcasts earlier.
So you see this Everything withPenguin.
But at the end of the day,apollo don't give a shit,
neither does Penguin you knowHigh level evil.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You know he does love his mom Bro.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But, his mom having a stroke.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
His mom was still a badass.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
She made a deal with the devil she was.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
We didn't talk about it, but in the second to last
episode, whenever she confrontsSophia, the first time she.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
She was such a bad bitch.
She was such a bad bitch, bro.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
She was such a bad bitch, she was telling her I was
like my son played all of y'all.
No, that's what I'm saying.
She created this monster.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
She made a deal with the devil.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
She did, and that's why her faith was that.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So she's like you got what you wanted, you got the
penthouse, but at what cost?
At that cost.
But before we like all poor herlike back to the Gigante, like
with Rex guy, he's like shechose the other option.
Instead of saying like hey, gofor a ride with Rex, she said
like alright, fuck it, I'm gonnaclimb this motherfucker to the
(10:12):
top you know, and she sure didshe used him.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
She sure did, and he's like.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I'm loyal to you she could be mad about it, but you
know she knew the stroke, bro.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I didn't see that shit coming.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
When she had the stroke I was like oh, no, I felt
so bad, I thought that she died.
Well see.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I like that they set that up, that his mom could
still come out of the vegetativestate, yeah, so basically she's
still awake in there in someway oh, maybe that was a tease
that even though she's in therelike her mind still works in
there.
Yeah, yeah again because theyagain.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
The director said it very well.
He's like he got all the way tothis point for her.
He is now too selfish to lether go she is now they both are
in the state that he neverwanted to see her in yeah a
vegetative state, a state whereyou know they couldn't, they
couldn't fuck with each other.
And that's exactly where they'reat now and I feel like, again,
that's the best penance for thisfucking guy who had to turn
over on so many people to getwhere he was, like he wanted to
(11:08):
get he happened to him likemultiple times too, whenever he
was fighting sal maroney.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, yeah maroney barbecued his fucking family.
Maroney gets a heart attack.
You know, yeah, yeah, andpenguin is like come on, sal,
we're supposed to.
You're supposed to take me out.
Yeah, you were supposed to takeme out, you're supposed to
destroy me bro.
I beat you, Let me have this.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You know, I beat you.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You hear me, I'm better he gets taken away from
him.
And that's the same thing withhis mom.
He gets taken away from him.
He doesn't get to like whoa,that's random.
He just had a heart attack.
No, he's not, because he's likeI should have shorted you.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
He didn't savor the gun down.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It was stolen Like that wind was stolen from him by
a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That makes a lot of sense.
That makes a lot of senseInstead of a fight to the death.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He just killed over it, bro.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
He just fought a dying man that was past his.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
He gets so mad he shoots him like three times
after that.
Yeah, he shoots him becausehe's mad and he's mad.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
That's that impulse, but the fact the way that he was
able to turn that story to thecouncilman, bro.
Fucking genius, oh man.
Genius, that was good, geniusthat was good.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, it's like under all that rubble you're going to
find one of the biggest druglabs.
You know, You're going to findSalvatore Maroney Well his man
oh bro.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
And what caused it?
And Sofia blew it up.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
She went crazy after her brother died.
You know that shit was wild andhe paints it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You can blame the other party.
You see, your relaxed laws oncrime have led to this disaster
and you can ride this to the top.
Oh, you got my vote, councilman.
You turned the lights back on.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Councilman, you took out the two biggest gangsters.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Councilman, you got my vote.
No, the councilman was being anasshole, so he's just like.
I guess it's pretty good.
He's like you fucking piece ofshit.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
You know it's good.
Yeah, you know it's good.
You, son of a bitch.
And again the exchange.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He didn't ask for money.
He didn't ask for protection.
I want to be welcome in a placelike this.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
That's the worst, that's the gangster.
That's gangster as fuck bro andthat's what I love about
Penguin because they bringhomages and like I'm gonna bring
, I'm gonna start here with thegodfather, but it does put like
he's like he puts his pinky withthe Maronis and they all did,
they all put their pinky in thegovernment and you know, like
We'll help you out.
And Penguin's doing that nowand I think they even showed a
(13:24):
scene where he walks up insidethe house.
Yeah, the steps.
Where he's looking up and seesthe mayor.
I think they're teasing that.
I agree 100%.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
He's going to try to corrupt her or whatever.
Yeah, he's going to try to gether, or that he himself would
have come to mirror the city,which is like a very criminal
Kingpin thing to do, did.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh, that was a way better that was the court of
owls Cause we're there already,so yes, oh, I didn't think about
that.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Did you see the?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
court.
So, if you see, if you go incourt and it's true, I went back
to the episode the curtains areshaped In owls.
Oh, all of them.
There's like six of them, sevenof them.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And he's in the middle.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And then you bring that up, because I think that's
what happens.
I think he discovers Like theunderground world when like hey,
well, I guess you know, andthat's why he did the long pause
.
If anything happens, who am Igonna blame?
This criminal named the PenguinInstead of the Corvallos, you
know, but if you go back In theepisode, you see when he breaks
the hammer and you just payattention.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Besides, the conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it.
The curtains are in shape ofowls.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Dude, that's so Da, da, da, da, da, da, da da da,
and it makes sense as to whythere was such a wide shot of
that, why they wanted to showyou the entire court, like that
entire you know that councilroom or whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, I didn't think too much of that Go back and
check it.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Go back and check it, guys.
That's a really good referenceGo.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I was just thinking that the mayor had a slinging
arm.
I was like, oh, he figured outwhy her slinging.
That's gonna connect to season2.
Like something happened she wasin the car wreck or some shit
no, that's from the.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
That's the water, yeah mind you, this was one week
after oh, this is the the waterterrorist attack.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I completely forgot about that.
I mean again the time.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
it just seems it's wild Batman's still like injured
, like oh, my back, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And then you can see the way he got hurt.
Because if you see the movie,the way he fell in that water,
like seriously bro, I'm injuredbro.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Like I'll get up.
You know it's nobody mentioningthe Batman.
I mean, the Batman is like thisis terrible.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I just saw because he got injured Like you saw him,
he got, he really he got.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But that's a good way to put it.
It's like he's been injuredthis whole time.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
He got a shotgun, like you know, point blank.
That's right Like uh.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
He knocked the wind out of my chest, bro.
I had fun.
I wasn.
This blew up the drug lab.
He's cool.
Now Come on.
No, but Okay, real quick.
Two other things real fast.
When Sofia was willing To giveup the fucking, the business,
the whole family industry, Ithought that was cool, that she
was willing To make it out.
Oh yeah, in that second to lastepisode.
I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Cause she finally talks about how I'm still
playing my father's game.
Yeah, Like I'm still playingthe game, Yep.
So in that second to lastepisode she makes the decision.
It's like I'm done with this.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I'm out Now.
Let's bring it to thehelicarrier Right To the hangar,
to the hangar.
When that shit, when everythinggoes, left dog.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Before you get there.
It was like the thing aboutbefore you get there.
It's about her, because she hadmultiple opportunities to run
her life.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Like literally, yes, they gave you out, but like it's
, it was her like there'sanother opportunity.
When julian asked her, he'slike we could just leave.
Yes, she has multipleopportunities to get out.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
She does it because she like wants this, she wants
revenge like.
She's so like into, like on,like vengeance is like her theme
.
Is her all revenge like no, Iwant blood for what happened to
me.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I called it though, bro.
Uh pot's wife thought everybodythat she had.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
She burned her house, she lost everything and then he
finally fucking turned her in.
Bro, I called it, Iprognosticated the shit out of
that.
Yeah, man, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
So yeah, when the the hangar scene bro yeah, one of
that hangar scene was crazy tome because when, when you saw
pots, uh or uh, the penguinstart smiling, I was like no
fucking way everybody turn pop,pop pop.
Oh shit, hey, hand it over yeahgive it to me.
Nice and slow, and Vic was theone who said give me the peace
(17:20):
give me the fucking peace cause.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Then she intimidated his ass one time right, and then
she looks at him like oh shitthe fuck this listening.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
He stuttered throughout the series, which I
thought it was really good greatguy, he would still come up
every now and then, but he's, helike, started getting more when
he got mad bro in that otherepisode he was talking shit to
everybody in the uh, all theleaders, or?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
whatever.
Yeah, that was at the beginningof the episode.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, that was great, that was fucking awesome that
scene reminded me of the moviesicario, like the tension, like
we're all in the car, like thecamera's in the car you're in
the car too the audience, andlike you point out to this
explosion, like they feel likethe movie sicario.
We're like in there in thatscene, in the bridge.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yes, that's what I felt like that was a cool last
scene, dog.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
It was really really cool and I think, uh, that
points to see right there.
When link walks up to him, it'slike bro, shut the fuck shut
the fuck up.
Know your place but uh, knowyour place, but at the same time
it's Link.
He's the one that turns.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
And Vic was the one that said that from the
beginning.
Even Oz admitted it.
He's like.
I never thought turning Linkwould be the fucking smart move.
But you're right.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And when Sofia asked him how do you flip Link?
Because, it wasn't even Penguinthat flipped him, it was
fucking.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Victor, it was his boy, bro, yes, and he was like
the guys got tired of gettingthe fuck over, which is even
more fucked up, because I don'tthink Penguin would have had to
win if Victor didn't flip him.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
He wouldn't have dog.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, it was it.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
He was the one that gave him the out.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's right, that was it, bro, that was it.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
And that here ends up killing him.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Look, you know what's crazy.
The dude homeboy that workedfor the Triads Link was actually
honest move we let's.
It's time to do it now, becausethere was a moment there
whenever he's calling link islike yo, where are you, where
you at?
Yeah, it's a setup.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I was like he's fucking him over bro and then in
the end he's like nah, bro,that was a real ass phone call.
Hey, bro, she's making themovie.
You ready to make the shit?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
yeah so it was awesome to see that shit come
all the way fucking full circlefor you.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So that was very, very cool, okay, just real quick
, like I know I mentioned alittle bit earlier, like all the
homages that Penguin does togangster movies.
Yeah, like the scene aboutFlippant like that you brought
up, like how each underlingkills their own boss, which is
very brutal.
Oh yeah, but I wonder if youguys, whoever the editor,
whoever it probably be, likethere's a scene by scene
comparison.
(19:23):
It reminded me a lot of how theGodfather, part One, ended,
which is a baptism, a satanicbaptism.
Because at the end they ask,they ask Marco Corleone, do you
reject Satan and all his wordsof pleasing you, a Catholic
Satan?
He's like yes, I do, I rejectSatan.
Right, as soon as it happens inthat movie the piano goes and
then every scene cuts in.
Marco Corleone kills all fivebosses of the high-level
(19:48):
families in New York City.
Oh shit, one gets shot, shutdown the elevator.
One gets his cutthroat when hewas getting a shave, one gets
gunned down when he's with hismistress.
You know.
He's like do you uh, michaelCole?
You know, uh, a love God.
And above all that the Catholicsaying he's like I do.
A next scene he shootseverybody else Right of the
ending of Godfather.
(20:09):
How Michael solidifies hisposition as the Godfather by
taking every single top memberout.
Penguin does the same.
He solidifies his position bytaking every top member down.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
That's right, yeah, doug, yeah he makes the place,
everybody.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
He does man.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
He does a great job at it and at the same time,
those people that killed theirleaders I mean they still wanted
that top seat.
Yes, leaders, I mean they stillwanted that top seat.
Yes, they were all like, yeah,absolutely, link is gonna get to
lead the dialogue.
But and then sofia asked him,he's like, well, I don't know if
that's gonna work, but he'sgonna get a chance to lead the
dialogue.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I was like that's, all he wanted was a chance, the
same thing that vic wanted.
Just give me a chance.
You know that's what he said inthe very fucking beginning.
Yeah, but I love it now,because now they're indebted to
oz.
Yeah, they are Because of him.
They grew the balls to actuallymake the move.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So, yeah, now that's why he's going to be leaving
this shit.
And Oz gets stronger by puttinghim in the political position.
It's hard for these, like theDai Lao and everybody else, to
get him if he has politicalstrong connections.
Absolutely yeah, it makes ittougher on them.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But okay, so now I mean all great shit.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Now we're at the ending.
Right, fucking Sophia getscaught.
She's back in Arkham.
She's fucked man.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I thought it was crazy, bro, because in that
scene, you know, she thinks thatOz is gonna shoot her.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Oh man, she takes her last, final breath, bro and
she's legit, she knows like, sheknows she's welcoming death,
yeah, yeah.
And then cut to the cop showingoff and you can see it in her
face.
Fuck, because to her this is afate worse than worse than death
.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Going back to arkham and he's like finally got out.
He's like you're going to hell,sweetheart.
Like I was like damn I'm notkilling you, stupid yeah, but at
the same time I can double itshort because she says I'll save
you a seat.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You know absolutely look, look, if she sees his ass
in Arkham, which eventuallyhe'll get there because of
Batman.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, it's on, dun, dun dun dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,
dun, dun, bro, I'm telling you,it's pretty good man.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
You know, I myself thought he was going to shoot
her.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Me too.
I thought he was going to putthe bullet too.
I was like it's a close-up shot, it's going to be graphic, it's
just going to be a flash oflight.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I thought it was going to be like splatter and
shit Is it going to cut to black?
Is it going to be like?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
a thing where, like the imagination, just cut to
black to hear the sound effect.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh, we're going to hear the shot You're going to
hear the shot Black Nothing, orit's Fucking the boy style Slow
motion, like bullet coming tothe forehead.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Oh shit, yeah, yeah, oh, I actually thought it was
going to be a scene where sheclosed her eyes and the camera
kind of spanned likehorizontally and she's in her
already her female two.
Oh yeah, that would've been.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I thought that'd be the.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Scorsese shit.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, I thought that.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
That would've been.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
That was the best plot.
The fact that he didn't killher and sent her back to Arkham
it was all part of the plan.
It was all part of thenarrative that you later find
out that was the best plotabsolutely fucking great
spoilers.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
No, no, no, and then ultimately, alright.
So now, if you're this far, soOz at this point, now makes it
back home to the Flatiron Tower,right, or it's the Flat Tower,
or whatever, the flat building,the Flatiron Building over there
in New York it looks like theFlatiron Building, but I mean
it's Gotham City.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, it's Gotham City, but their version of it.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Wait, after he takes her he goes straight to his mom.
But his mom, when we circle inthe back, oh shit, you're right
Giant scene, one of the bigscenes down circling back
circling back.
That's where we started yeah,yeah, uh, well, she became the
best state when, like, she meetsher.
You know the deal with thedevil, like you know, yeah, cash
is in.
Yeah, cash is in.
That's right, because he evensaid, hey, I probably promised
(23:39):
to fulfill.
You know, like, that's kind oflike airy now that you think
about it the way he said it.
Yeah, but that was I don't knowif you said it here podcast or
you said it like post but histransformation, like uh, I'm
glad I want to bring it up nowbecause you can see, like in
that scene, like his, his, uh, Idon't know if they made it
darker, but his uh yeah, yeah,right here over those few over,
(24:00):
I think, it's like over that dayhe's been, he's been through
some shit.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, he's been stabbed.
Explosion yeah mom.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
You know it's crazy that would make up when the
prosthetics you can kind of seethat he's getting darker.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Absolutely so.
I thought it was really coolwith one of the emotional scenes
that he has in the nurseWhenever she goes, he goes off.
He's like you're just a stupidfucking nurse.
Give me the fucking doctor.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Give me the fucking doctor, I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I was like damn dog.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So anyway, victor's just sitting there like yeah,
he's like I don't know what todo.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He breaks down.
That was his mistake.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Victor should have never been in that room.
Never should have been there.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
He should have left Outside, outside, like a good
bodyguard, yep, but he was thereand he even put his hand On
Oz's back.
That's what fucked him and Ithink.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I think he actually like Also, like kind of Fucks
himself.
When he opens up to us, it'slike we're family, y'all, we're
family now.
And that's when he realizes it.
It's like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I can't have any more family.
He's like you're the onlyfamily I got left in kid and
that shit kills me and I can'tfucking have that anymore.
It's a weakness.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And so that's my confusion.
That's the evil side of it.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
We see the actual birth of the penguin as, as soon
as he gets done, choking himout bro.
That smile and the tooth Dudebro.
That was it.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Scary the way the camera focused on his face like
he became a demon.
Bro Peak cinema.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Bro Peak.
I was going to sleep but I gotscared.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Because it's been a while, like a show scared me
Like that, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
The look, the smile, the smirk, the underbite I mean
everything the angle, the light,all of it.
It was fucking badass, yeah,the way he was breathing hard
and everything.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
You're a good man.
You got to breathe hard.
When he's choking his mouth,he's like me, and you did this
together brother, me and you.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You were here from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
You saw it all.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You saw my ups and my downs.
You saw all the shit with mymoms.
You was there, vic, you was init.
I can't take you with me, sowhat?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
does that mean Like he can't take you with him
Because, like Vic, would havemoved pounds For this
motherfucker?
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Because Vic is his conscience.
That's his Jiminy Cricket.
He killed his conscience andtherefore killed his heart.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I don't know it was weird because it was like a
parallel from the beginning ofthe episode.
It's like see when rex istalking about it.
Yeah, what I look for is kidslooking for a dad.
So he talks about loyalty.
He would have had undyingloyalty in big yeah, which is
something that's referencedearlier in the episode yeah well
, he still kills him yeah, itwas like I don't know.
I mean, os is not even a goodleader, he's not even a good
(26:21):
gangster, he's not even Rex.
The gangster that he idolizes isnot even him.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I think even his dream has changed beyond that.
Now he's crossed the line, evenwhere it's crazier for him
Beyond where Rex is, because Ifeel that if Vic would have
stayed, he would have slowed himdown.
He would have told him no, youcan't do this, and where Oz is
about to go, he can't havesomebody holding him back like
that.
He's about to do darker andheavier shit.
This was bad.
Season 2 is going to get evencrazier he's going to be like
Walter White, bro.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You know what I'm saying the more hair he loses
the less fucks he gives WalterWhite.
Walter White redeemed himselfat the end by saving Jesse.
So oh, yeah.
So I give him that.
Yes, there's some similarities.
But Walter, why?
He's already affected?
Because he's saved.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I'm not saying that, I'm just saying like the less
fucks is the only.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Gangster character evil that found.
One redemption was saving Jesse, but that's for another episode
.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's gonna come full circle.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, he's stealing his money and then throwing the
ID also broke my heart becauseit just really went to show like
he just did not like give afuck?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, he didn't give a fuck, oh no.
He opens the wallet, takes themoney and then just throws the
ID so they couldn't identify thebody.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I thought he was going to keep him, bro.
To be honest, he's like get thefuck out of here.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, and then you realize he's throwing it, so
nobody identifies the body he'slike it looks like a bug.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And then he's doing one of the episodes where, like
when Sophia and Maloney crackinto Penguin's apartment, he's
like what's this?
It's a picture of his brother.
He's like oh, there's hisbrother, but they died.
And he's like man, he's gotnothing.
He's got nothing, yeah.
So.
I feel, that's what it is alsolike why he killed Vic because
there is nothing that you canget yeah, exactly nothing.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
That is hard, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well, he says nah, I can't have that weakness.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, damn and then, okay, now we're at the end, he
shows up, he's finally got thetop hat.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
It's cool yeah, the top hat, the top hat the top
tuxedo bow tie.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I was Monaco season 2 .
Speaker 3 (28:21):
There was the canes right there next to the mirror.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I thought it was amazing it is locked.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
It looks so like a villain.
It looks like this orderly, abig picture you know, but, it
looks really nice, very baroque,you know what I?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
love.
What I love was that it was thethe suit.
The tuxedo is not because heembraces the symbolism of the
penguin.
It was homeboy from the tapdancing one, the gangster that's
what that homage was.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
He's like wow when I finally made it, and that's why
that's what he's still alive.
That's what it is.
Yeah, yeah, that's what that'shis connection good callback.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, I thought it was cool and I was like, oh,
it's not because he likes becalled the penguin, it's just
that top tier level of shit andhe's already called the penguin.
He's in a penguin suit, youknow so I don't get.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
It connects to like uh he the councilman tells him
it's like if you want to beaccepted here, you have to like
you gotta look clean, you gottalook like a fucking whistle yeah
, he says it and you know that'swhy at the end he's clean as a
whistling, you know yeah, bro,absolutely and then like that
and that that the.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
The ending was so disturbing because that
prostitute lady at the episode.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yes, like the mom wearing the same, the same dress
and say tell me you love me.
Tell me you love me, ma Tell meyou're proud of me.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
He didn't say tell ma he said just tell me you love
me.
He calls her ma, bro.
Subtitles are on the chest.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Tell me you're proud of me, ma Tell me you love me.
Tell me I did good.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
This is goodbye.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
it was sad, I mean he's in the way and that was,
and that made me so because Ilike there was a comment I read
like it's like the internet'sgoing crazy, right, and I agree
with the statement.
And it made me think about itbecause, like, at the end of the
show I felt like a Gothamcitizen, helpless, crown Point,
a flood, an explosion, you know,a gang war.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
But you got the lights on, though Crown Point is
going through it.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I just got the lights on by a week after bro this
county lost their minds in twodays bro.
Imagine two weeks in the coldas Gotham.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
How the fuck do I move to Metropolis?
You know, bro, for real what'sthe rent there bro.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh, I can't, I'll stay here.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's expensive because their guy could be there
in a second you pay for thesafety.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Let me go to Star City, superman of Texas.
The Flash is quick too.
Where's the Flash Central?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
He's there in a second.
Bro, Batman is human.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That's why Gotham's so cheap, though Gotham He'll
fuck you up in medical bills.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Anyway, facts Big cinema, big cinema, big cinema.
I loved it.
Overall a fantastic oh.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Sunina Khan, with the black cat being connected,
being a Sophia Falcone Catwoman.
That was nice.
Half sister, fucking awesomeHer smiling, her smiling, at the
end in the note.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
It gave me a little bit of hope like hopefully
breaks her out, or somethingabsolutely or becomes a version
of the Huntress or some shit youknow that'd be cool.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I could see that, and then, of course, because the
Huntress was a gangster girlCatwoman.
Birds of Prey Huntress was agangster, so it would actually
fit that very well.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I could see that and she's after a pig waiter
somebody oh, I could see that Ibet a legit one, yeah, and then
check it.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
But it was good because I could have completely
forgotten about it.
Like it's not.
It's not so much a plot to itas it like oh yeah, that's right
.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, selena kyle is carmen falcon's daughter yeah,
it's like one of the plot linesof the batman I told you, bro,
to carmen falconi's jeans, bro,you had a hot dog, bro, it works
again.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I mean crazy, that was all that was all uh, planted
in the Batman, even the wholehangman storyline, how he chokes
out all his victims, that's howhe killed Selena's mom and
that's how he was gonna killSelena.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
He was gonna choke her out.
That was his MO.
That's crazy.
The episode finally fuckingfinishes on a high man bro, for
real.
Episode ends with a giantfucking flashlight.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I do hope.
I do hope that Selena Colebreaks her out and a Burst of
Prey reference would be cool.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I'm going to need Snyder Batman to appear in
Batman 2, bro and handle andslap my boy, vic bro, please.
I need Snyder Batman bro Him 2,bro and handle and get and slap
my boy, vic bro, please.
I need Snyder Batman bro Him,him bro, all the steroids bro.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
The Batfleck, yeah, the Batfleck.
We need the Batfleck in here.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I need an Arkham-style 100-piece combo,
bro.
Just everything bro.
Batarangs, batargas.
The Penguin empty, whatever thefuck.
Everything bro.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
But the the penguin empty, whatever the fuck tack
everything, bro, you know, no,but the batman floodlight at the
end was gives you a lot of hype.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, I mean, it was like the the.
I knew we weren't gonna get acameo.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I still wish, like I felt like man, we could have
gotten a little more, like Idon't know, I really want to see
gordon.
Gordon would have been cool andlike uh, arresting sofia.
But he still would get thecaptain which you know.
It's still a reference to themovie but you know, that's true.
I wanted a bigger cameo.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, no for sure.
But I mentioned like thoseactors are so high level.
I mean, at this point it's kindof hard to get them, like you
know.
Yeah, I'm not saying ColinFarrell isn't high level.
Yeah, I was about to say.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Colin Farrell's like.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
He'll be busy now after this.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
He was invested in the character too.
He wanted to do it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
But what do you think it's going to lead to?
Man, batman 2.
Batman's going to be there.
Batman's going to be a crimelord Moving his way up to
politics.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I mean in Batman 2 he's probably going to be the
same thing as in Batman 1, wherehe's not One of the big bads of
the movie, he's just a sidecharacter.
Batman's going to go to him forinformation again.
Where, like he's not the mainone of the big bads of the movie
, he's just a side characterlike batman's gonna go to him
for information again, you know,yeah he's connected.
Now he's gonna be moreconnected.
Now he's gonna be the crime bossthe kingpin yeah uh, but he's
still not gonna be one of thebig bads, you know he's gonna
(33:55):
have like a very few scenes likein the batman yeah, he's gonna
have five or six scenes, whichhas already been been confirmed.
That's my take.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I think my take for the Batman 2, I hope, because I
know Matt Reeves said that.
Well, he didn't say but there'sa high probability that they
may show Mr Freeze, which Ithink would be fantastic.
I would love to see Matt Reevestake on Mr Freeze, but I think
it'll be mostly that it's likeanother disgrled uh member of
society.
(34:22):
That's from crown point.
That uh most likely is like auh what do you call it?
A serial killer that mostlikely dips his victims in water
and freezes them, or nitricoxide or something of the sorts.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
You know they call it mr freeze.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
That's pretty fucking dark, but I'm going, I'm going
on the theme of this like, ofthis world, like and like, uh,
and he's.
He's going after what Penguinalready contaminated, which is
all those corrupt politicianswhich I think will lead, with
Harvey Dent showing up for partthree or something.
Honestly, I don't want to see aJoker in Matt Reeves' universe.
(34:59):
I hope Joker does not appear atall in the metri's universe.
I want to see like more roguevillains.
You know joker can be like justhim in the arkham, and you know
yeah yeah maybe just see him inthe background all the time
that's it.
Yeah, yeah, but joker's great,you know.
But I mean, it's such a bigrogue gallery we can explore
other villains.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, man, like this penguin the penguin doesn't
really get a lot of love in somestorylines yeah, absolutely.
So the fact that he had thiswhole series and origin story
yeah, but I've had enough jokers, bro.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
There's three jokers in the past five years yeah, I'm
good on jokers.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, yes, good on joker.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I haven't seen.
This is the only Oswald CaboPaz that we've had.
Two We've only been on TV orone, but the big screen
Absolutely.
But yeah, I mean the series isgoing to be fucking lit going
(35:51):
forward.
It's going to be cool to seewhere the franchise goes.
He is going to be a plot point.
Is it going to be all about newfamilies?
Who's going to be the new bigbad that he faces in the next
one?
Is there going to be a newrival in the gang?
I mean there's a bunch ofstories and what ifs and
variables that we'd like to seeit go down.
But you know I'm excited ifthis is what it is.
(36:12):
Season 2, from my mind, is theyjust keep it the same energy.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
It's going to be amazing.
I and again the Penguin wassupposed to be a mini series
with no second season fairenough, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Hey, it doesn't happen ever again.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Thank you, and we haven't got any confirmation of
a renewal for season two.
If it wins an Emmy, it'll getseason two.
I'm calling it right now if itwins an Emmy and if it gets like
a lot of like critical praiselittle praise yeah.
Maybe they'll make a season two, but it was meant to be as a
standalone miniseries.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
So was Joker 2, bro.
They fucking built the show.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
So was Joker 1.
Yeah, that's true.
You know what I'm saying.
Here we are.
You already know how DC works.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Come on, bro, they just need an award for it, they
won an Oscar in the last one.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Anyway, all right, boys Good stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Great episode.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You guys got any final thoughts?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
It was a great series , great series.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Go watch it guys, go check out.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
The Penguin Peak Cinema.
I put this in horror becausemaybe the ending really just
gave me the heebie-jeebies.
Yeah, but it's a great gangstershow, alone If I'm nearing a
season two.
Thank you, hbo.
Fantastic job, colin Farrell,everybody in the cast peak.
Every actress, actor, the sidecharacters, you know, even the
guy that just walked by.
(37:25):
That one episode did nothing.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Shout out, shout out to you, buddy, even him, even
this random like character that,like uh, abducts couple pod
after the explosion.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
The white with the white hair, the guy yeah, oh
yeah, oh, out with a nightstick.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, you too, buddy it looked like he was somebody
and then he just gets shot, oneshot.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I feel bad now for the little girl because she got
abandoned.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
She's just now like yeah, sofia told us yeah she's
just dead now.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Oh, that was in that second to last episode.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, she did to her what they did to her yeah, and
then she realized, but thenagain she puts her in a position
yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So it got fucked up, but again it's a Greek tragedy.
That's right, it's a criminalthriller and none of these
characters get a happy ending.
Not even Oz really gets a happyending?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
No, not even.
Well, do you think that'sforeshadowed what happened to
Batman?
No, he doesn't get a happyending.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
No, I don't think it's like that.
No, does it get a happy ending?
I don't think it's like that.
I mean, batman in the comicseventually is a fucking cat
woman.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
They have kids and shit like that.
He has Damien.
Something in the way that'swhat I was about to say he's
like well, bruce Wayne does geta happy ending.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Eventually, he does Well, depending on what timeline
that's true, depending on thetimeline.
That matters timelines.
Bruce Wayne does get a half.
An injustice is terrible anyway, and in Batman Beyond it's not
that great?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
yeah, it's not that great.
So you know, old man, bruce,you know, oh, you know what hey.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Silky, let me get your two cents.
Man, I'm really curious becauseI know you got a chance to
watch it over here with us, coonand I.
Oh no damn it.
There goes our time, ladies andgentlemen, one more time.
One more time.
All right, this has been one ofyour hosts.
It's your boy, merc.
Make sure you guys arefollowing us on all of our
social medias Instagram, twitter, snapchat.
We don't have that.
Make sure you guys arefollowing us at WBM underscore
(39:12):
podcast.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Forgot all about Snapchat sure I forgot and make
sure you already follow us onAmazon.
Amazon podcast, Apple podcast,Stitcher Spotify.
Apple Podcasts, StitcherSpotify, iHeartRadio all that
jazz.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
And it's your boy, oski, and the Mix.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
And the Mix.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
As always, check out the website WBMPodcastcom.
You'll find all our library ofepisodes and in the description
for this episode you'll find twolinks.
One is to support the show, ifyou like what we do, support the
show, please.
And the other one is to send usus a text message and you'll
get a shout out.
Shout out to Daniel for thetext message.
My boy, danny Guys.
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
WBM Podcast.
We love you guys, we appreciateyou guys and we'll see you in
the next one.
Peace.
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