September 25, 2025 • 27 mins
The shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk has ripped open America's deepest wounds, exposing the raw nerve endings of our political divisions and raising urgent questions about violence, responsibility, and our shared future. What happens when political rhetoric crosses from passionate debate into dangerous territory? And why do we respond to tragedy by pointing fingers instead of finding common ground?
This episode dives unflinchingly into the aftermath of Kirk's killing, examining the immediate political blame game that erupted before the shooter was even identified. Politicians like Nancy Mace instantly condemned Democrats collectively while refusing to acknowledge similar violence against Democratic figures. Meanwhile, the Utah governor's troubling comment hoping the shooter "wouldn't be one of us" revealed how deeply partisan thinking has infected our response to human tragedy.
While condemning the violence in the strongest possible terms, we also explore the uncomfortable reality that public figures bear responsibility for their words. Kirk's controversial statements about civil rights, Martin Luther King Jr., and other sensitive topics didn't justify violence against him, but they remind us that inflammatory rhetoric carries consequences in an already divided society. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction – a principle that applies not just to physics but to our social dynamics as well.
America's gun violence epidemic forms the backdrop of this tragedy, raising questions about why school shootings receive mere "thoughts and prayers" while political assassinations spark talk of civil war. The ease with which Americans access deadly weapons remains a significant factor in political violence, yet meaningful discussions about solutions consistently fall victim to partisan entrenchment.
As we witness Erica Kirk's raw grief transform into militant language about continuing her husband's mission, we're left wondering: Can America ever move from the divisive language of "they" to the unifying concept of "we"? This episode challenges listeners to recognize our shared humanity and acknowledge that political violence damages the very foundation of democratic governance, regardless of who the victim might be.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the WDYM, the what Do you Mean?
Podcast.
I'm your host, michaelGillespie, and there will be no
intro today.
I want to take this a littleserious because this past week
we had assassination of CharlieKirk and to see that is just
(00:22):
wild to me, that we can'texpress ourselves in 2025 and
not get shot Period.
It's sad.
First and foremost, it is sad.
It is sad that this happened tosomebody who was just speaking
(00:45):
his mind right.
That should not have happened.
Um, he leaves behind a wife,two kids, two small kids, and
you know it's just a very tragicevent in america and I hope you
know that his wife and hisfamily and his friends and his
colleagues all find some peacefrom this and that you know that
(01:08):
something comes of it.
This episode we will be talkingabout Charlie Kirk, the
assassination and the thingsthat come with this.
I see a divide, of course.
I see a divide between peoplewhen it comes to this man,
because the way Charlie Kirk was, he was, let's see.
(01:33):
Let me find the actual textChristian nationalism and
pro-Trump, which is kind ofconvoluted and confusing at the
same time, but nevertheless, um,he was assassinated september
10th of 2025 in utah and again,first and foremost, we shouldn't
(01:57):
be doing that.
You know we should be doingthat in 2025 because we should
be evolving and getting better,but yet we're still doing silly
stuff and everything and whenyou and it shouldn't be.
It really, really shouldn't beat this juncture you know, we
(02:19):
shouldn't be killing each otherfor things we've said.
So I'm going to talk about thatfor a little bit.
I'm going to talk about somethings surrounding that.
As far as people, theirreactions, uh, from government
to internet, to local people andeverything, and and just
(02:39):
discuss that.
So that's what we're going todo today.
I want to say this nobodydeserves to be shot, period.
I've always had an issue withguns, and to do that who's
someone who is not in themilitary is bothersome, because
(03:02):
we always talk about how good itis to be an American and how
prideful and proud we are asAmericans.
But let's be honest, man, let'sbe honest.
We have a gun problem here.
We've always had a gun problemand it's just escalated to, uh,
(03:23):
the nth degree with Charlie Kirk.
Well, my question is myquestion is why are we never
outraged like this when it comesto a school shooting?
You know, we always say youknow, thoughts and prayers,
thoughts and prayers toeverybody that happens at a
school shooting.
(03:44):
When school shootings happen,that's what, that's the best we
get.
We don't talk about reform orgun control or anything like
that.
It's always.
You're trying to take our secondamendment away from us.
When is it?
When is enough is enough.
Again, I'm not trying to makethis about me or anything like
that, not today.
(04:04):
I'm just letting you know that,hey, when I was in the military
, I had guns on me when I wentdeployed in Afghanistan and
everything, and I hated the ideaof shooting my gun and and
hurting somebody, let alonekilling somebody.
Who am I to play God right?
I never liked that idea.
(04:26):
I never liked the idea of mekilling somebody despite me
signing up for the military.
How weird is that.
Those two don't go together.
But the thing is, is that wheredo we draw the line at?
I'm going to draw a quicktimeline of what happened and
the reaction of people,especially from our government,
and people in our government andwhat's going on, what's going
(04:47):
on in the future.
So he got shot on a wednesdayand I think the guy was captured
.
He was captured on friday earlymorning on friday come to find
out this guy was named tylerrobinson.
Again, all the information hasnot came out as far as you know
(05:07):
who he is and everything likethat.
But before any of that came out, the discussion was it was a
Democrat's fault or it was thisTyler Robinson guy?
We're pointing fingers at awhole group of people let's just
(05:33):
say 50% of America or 49 orwhatever percentage was, when we
had our election.
We had our election andimmediately politicians and
people who follow the RepublicanParty and everything and who
are on the right, whatever youwant to call it Are immediately
(05:55):
pointing fingers at the otherside, saying this is your fault
and we love Charlie Kirk so much, and we are ready to go to war,
for they said civil war.
And I'm confused about that.
I'm confused about that becausehow do we declare who is what?
(06:18):
You know?
How are we going to go overwith our neighbor on an
assumption, right?
You?
You don't know what I vote for,you don't know what your
neighbor votes for, and we'venever really, you know,
discussed that or been openabout our political views.
I mean, you could tell if youtalk to people and everything
people are talking about civilwar or ready to start killing
(06:42):
people.
For what for a man like CharlieKirk now, charlie Kirk, he was,
that guy was.
It's hard to express whatCharlie Kirk was without being
too nasty about it.
I believe what his intentionswere good until he went too far.
(07:06):
He's, he's, he's.
He said some crazy things inthe past and I'm going to play
some of the things that he said,but we got to hold somebody
accountable other than theshooter as it as it's, weird as
that may sound.
Yes, tyler robinson isresponsible for this.
He should face the extent ofthe law for what he's done.
(07:27):
But what about our politicians?
What about the people that aresupposed to represent the people
?
Yes, people are angry and fedup and upset, and rightfully so,
rightfully so.
I'm upset that someone died fordiscussing their beliefs and
(07:48):
everything.
That's one of the things thatwe love about America is that we
can say what we want.
There is consequences to ouractions, though.
That's the thing that I want tobe crystal clear on.
There is consequences to allour actions.
Every reaction is an equal andopposite reaction, yin and yang.
That's what it is.
(08:08):
And when somebody goes way toodeep and attacking people and
saying the things that he said,there's going to be a reaction
to it and that's the sad part.
I learned my lesson about a yearago roughly a year and a half
ago when I said something aboutsomebody and it costed me my job
(08:30):
.
I learned that lesson that whenI say something, I have there's
a responsibility to what I say.
That's why I try to keep thingslight, funny and, just in
general, just chill.
You know what I'm saying.
I don't want to go overboardwith the things I say because
there's a responsibility to whatI say.
(08:53):
Doesn't matter how big I get,doesn't matter how small I am,
there's a responsibility to youractions.
In my opinion, mr Kirk failedIn that.
But first let's play A clipthat a politician Was going on
about.
This one is from Nancy Mace.
(09:15):
Nancy Mace is a representativeOf the house, representatives
from South Carolina News.
Upon Charlie's assassinationshe goes on a tangent, she goes
off and immediately startedblaming Democrats.
Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I'm going to say this Democrats, own what happened
today.
I am devastated.
My kids have called panicking.
They probably all the kids ofevery conservative in the
country call panicking.
Just because you speak yourmind on an issue doesn't mean
you get shot.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So she's 100% right about that.
If you speak your mind, youshould not be worried about a
bullet Period, right?
But when something happened toa Democrat when Melissa Hortman,
when something happened to aDemocrat when Melissa Hortman,
when something happened to her,when she was killed, nobody said
anything about that.
She was also a member of theHouse of Representatives and and
(10:16):
she was shot, her whole familywas shot, even the dog.
So it's like why wasn't youknow why?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
wasn't this brought up?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
This was happened on June 14th.
Melissa Hortman, husband MarkHortman, were killed in
Minnesota.
The shooter was impersonating apolice officer when he decided
to go crazy.
So there's a problem.
There's a problem where we'repointing fingers and we're
asking people who are in thegovernment, who are in control,
(10:46):
to make changes.
I'm I am highly confident.
Most of america wants some somesort of better gun control
period and it's not happening.
And let's not.
Let's not talk about the schoolshootings that happen.
That happens all the time andyou know, when I hear about
(11:07):
these school shootings andeverything, it's the most
terrible.
It's terrible that we're havingthis conversation in america.
Right when I went to schoollong, long, long, long, long
time ago, there was no worry ofsomeone coming up in there
wanting to shoot you.
You know what I mean.
We had, you know, I'll meet youat the flag pole three o'clock
(11:28):
after school so we can fight.
You would have that, but no,but you going home, you're gonna
get your.
You know you might get whoopedor you might do the whooping,
but you're not gonna die.
So they're they're, you know,saying hey, the Democrats do
this, the Democrats do that, andthat's just not the way.
That's not the expectation wehave of our leaders to be
pointing the fingers and allthat stuff.
(11:49):
But the reporters who werethere, one of them was like, hey
, if you're saying the Democratsown this, then what about Ms
Hortman, the other side on that,and listen to how she words it.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Do Republicans own the shooting of the two
Democratic lawmakers inMinnesota?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Isn't this on both sides, are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
me, no, I'm asking you a serious question.
We don't know what conditionCharlie Kirk is in right now.
Some raging leftist lunatic puta bullet through his neck.
And you want to talk aboutRepublicans right now?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
No, no, I'm asking you.
No, not at all.
You said the.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Democrats have the right to no.
This is on.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
The.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Democrats own this.
Democrats own this.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
But is there a problem with political violence
across the spectrum?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, we're talking about Charlie Kirk right now.
That's the subject of this thatwe're talking about right now.
Democrats own this 100%.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
So how crazy is that she refuses to acknowledge what
happened to the Hortmans butquickly wants to blame the
Democrats, and it's like that'spart of the problem in my book.
We can't be doing that In 2025,we can't be doing that and you
(12:57):
know, know, pointing of thefinger and everything is that.
You know, we've lowered ourstandards when it came to the
election.
Now you know my opinion.
My opinion is that we don'telect somebody that's a felon,
because if he's a felon aspresident, but felons can't vote
, make that make sense to me.
(13:18):
I don, it doesn't make sense tome, but we're beyond that and
we have to move on.
We have to move on.
We don't have a choice but tomove on.
So that's what happened.
That's one of the things thathappened.
The reaction, the reaction ofpeople online, is no better, is
not better.
When you hear this, they, this,they who is they?
(13:44):
Another clip from the Daily Show.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
By the way, who's they?
No one knows who the shooter isor what his motivation was, and
even if it was political, hedoesn't represent half the
country.
But some of these MAGA guys areacting like this is a liberal
declaration of war.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
If they can do this, they are capable of anything.
I think that was the message.
I believe that was the message.
It's really hard to radicalizeRepublicans.
Yeah, you know it's like we'renot the radical type.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I'm sorry.
First off, it's not that hardto radicalize Republicans.
You guys almost burned down thecountry because Cracker Barrel
changed its font.
And also, once again, who isthey?
Does anyone want to specify whothey is?
Or are we just going to keeptalking about all that they do?
Speaker 7 (14:41):
They are at war with us, whether we want to accept it
or not.
They are at war with us.
Trump gets hit in the ear,charlie gets shot dead.
They came after Kavanaugh witha rifle to his neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Look, I'm sure people in the media would love to talk
about how they are responsiblefor what they've done and how
they had better watch out orelse they'll get what's coming
to them.
But I think it would be betterif we as a country understood
that we have a problem withpolitical violence and we need
(15:13):
to start thinking less in termsof what they should do and more
in terms of what we have to do.
That the last time it felt likewe thought in terms of we was
on 9-11, when we all cametogether as a nation and we did.
We did, even if it was just forone day.
(15:37):
You know, sure we turned prettyquickly to scapegoating Muslims
and blogging about how Bush didit, but on that one day we were
united as a country.
And I don't know what you do toget back to that.
Obviously not another 9-11.
I want to be very clear aboutthat.
But what about I don't know analien invasion?
(15:57):
You know, maybe if UFOssuddenly appeared over every
important US city and also LosAngeles, that's the thing that
would jolt us off our phones andbring us back together, or the
aliens take over and enslave usall.
But at this point that might beworth a try.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So very good points brought up by the Daily Show is
that when is they turn back towe or us and everything, but we
have problems.
The thing is that before,before we found out it was Tyler
Robinson, we got you know theliberal, this Democrat that, and
(16:35):
then the own freaking governorof Utah went in on it again,
said the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
I was praying that that if this had to happen here,
that it wouldn't be one of us,that somebody drove from another
state.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Somebody came from another country.
Sadly that that that prayer wasnot answered the way I hoped
for what did he say?
Exactly like.
Why would you even saysomething like that period it?
It boggles the mind why they'resaying the quiet part out loud,
(17:19):
Like what was his prayer like?
And you know, you know the WDYL.
Today is a serious day.
Today is a serious episode.
But when I see something likethis online, you know it cracks
me up, because why would that beyour reaction as a governor?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Please, heavenly Father, let it be Latino, or
maybe a black person, possiblyfrom Atlanta.
Heavenly Father, it could beanybody Venezuela, dominican.
Dear Lord, we'll take anything.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
He's white, from Utah .
Speaker 1 (17:54):
His parents, Exactly the point.
Tyler Robinson was from Utahah,caucasian male.
You know, everything is not outyet as far as what was his
motivation for it, at least asfar as I know.
I mean, I'm not going to digtoo deep because it'd probably
get more and more depressing asI fall down that rabbit hole.
(18:16):
But we have, we have to, wehave to be accountable for
everything we say, our actionsand everything, including mr
kirk.
Right, he would speak about anyand everything and some of the
things that he said would rilepeople up and again.
You could say what you want,but there's an ebb and flow to
(18:39):
everything.
Every reaction has an equal andopposite reaction.
You are responsible for whatyou say and do.
OK there's no mistaking it Ifyou drive a car and you hit
somebody, you are responsible.
If you try to drink six, seven,eight, nine beers and get
behind the wheel, you areresponsible.
(19:00):
Why are we not holding peopleresponsible with the words they
say?
Here's some of the things thatCharlie Kirk has said.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
This were a truth sinking show, but I can say
declaratively this guy is notworthy of a national holiday, he
is not worthy of Godlike status, in fact, I think that is, in
reference to martin luther kingit's real.
Kirk describes king as quote abad guy.
It's true, and kirkself-described very, very
radical view that the countrymade a mistake when it passed
the civil rights act.
(19:30):
Also true.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Once a week we talk about why the civil rights act
was a mistake so if you had adaughter and she was 10 and she
got raped and she was going togive birth and she would know
wait oh, and she was going togive birth and she was going to
live.
Would you want her to gothrough that and carry her baby?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
That's awfully graphic.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
It's no, but it's a real life scenario that happens
to many people.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
We're trying to get the officer who murdered George
Floyd pardon.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
And I just want to know what your reasoning was
about that.
Well, george Floyd didn't diebecause of the police officer.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
He died largely because of a drug overdose, but
he had a so there is so muchthings out there that Charlie
Kirk has said that isirresponsible, but all that he
didn't deserve.
He didn't deserve to die forthat.
And you see the reaction of ourpoliticians, the people online,
(20:23):
even the people that I know inmy life that are saying this
isn't about race or anythinglike that.
Nobody brought up race, as faras I know.
But I've seen people comparethis to George Floyd and how
people are reacting to CharlieKirk's assassination, to George
(20:44):
Floyd dying.
Now let me remind you thatGeorge Floyd died with the
police officer's knee on hisneck and they always say, yeah,
like he said, it's defending allthe drugs or whatever, with
that Applying pressure to aperson's neck for a good 10, you
know, I think it was seven to10 minutes or something like
that.
And when he is saying he can'tbreathe or anything and he's,
(21:06):
he's calling for his mama.
Let's not forget that.
And this man was supposed to bean officer of the law.
The man was already detainedand everything.
So when people react, whenpeople posting that online and
seeing the rioting compared tothe prayers that mr kirk got to
me is not a comparison at all inmy opinion.
(21:28):
Let's just remember whathappened those days and see how
this person is.
Charlie kirk had issues and,like I said before, he has to be
responsible for what he said,period.
We are responsible for ouractions and everything.
And again, I don't think he.
I will say that till the till.
(21:49):
I'm blue in the face.
He didn't deserve to die, butwe all have to be responsible
for our actions.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
If you're going to be in anything in life, in any
aspect of life, you have to beresponsible for our actions.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
If you're going to be in anything in life, in any
aspect of life, you have to beresponsible for what you say and
everything.
Okay, say and do and everything.
The last thing I want to touchon is his wife.
Her name is Erica Kirk and youknow she's probably going
through a whirlwind of emotionsright now, and rightfully so.
I could not imagine how she'sfeeling and what is going
(22:24):
through her mind and her kids,and how she's going to pick up
the pieces and everything.
The only thing that is bringingcomfort to me is that her,
their kids, are young enough,and I hate to say that their
(22:46):
kids are young enough.
So if you know, she does moveon or whatever, or not, that
they might forget, and I don'twant to say it like that and I
don't want to say it like that,but we have to move on with life
and I don't, I don't, I don'twant to say it like that, but we
have to move on with life and Idon't want to be in her shoes,
period.
I will pray for her family,hope for the best for them, but
(23:11):
things are so weird with her.
They returned to I think helives in Arizona, if I'm not
correct, like.
This was just a couple days ago, ladies and gentlemen, and she
has video of her kissing hishand in the casket and
everything.
Now, you know, we all grieveour own way and everything, and
(23:35):
you know, maybe this is how shegrieves, but you know, normally,
normal people do that behindclosed doors and not have that
on social media and everything.
It's just.
It's just all around.
Just a tragic event, sad eventand condolences to to everybody.
(23:57):
This affects to everybody.
This affects.
Speaker 8 (24:07):
So, within a couple of days, erica put out a speech
and this is what she said.
You should all know this.
If you thought that myhusband's mission was powerful
before, you have no idea.
You have no idea what you justhave unleashed across this
entire country, in this world.
You have no idea.
You have no idea.
The fire that you have ignitedwithin this wife, the cries of
(24:28):
this widow, will echo around theworld like a battle cry to
everyone listening.
Tonight, across America, themovement my husband built will
not die.
It won't.
I refuse to let that happen.
It will not die.
All of us will refuse to letthat happen.
(24:49):
No one will ever forget myhusband's name and I will make
sure of it.
They should all know.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I just I'm.
I'm crediting this to grief,right?
I think she's grieving so badright now, and rightfully so,
that I just don't want thefinger pointing no more Like a
battle cry.
You know, when she's sayingthat type of stuff, what are you
implying?
Like the focus should be on theshooter and the person who did
(25:18):
this heinous crime.
I mean it just just I don'tknow.
I'm just going to credit thisto grief and that I hope that
whatever she does to, you know,keep, keep his little tusa open,
turning point, his littlecompany open and everything you
know, maybe that's, maybe, maybethat's what she's talking about
(25:40):
.
I maybe that's what she'stalking about.
I'm hoping that's what she'stalking about, but you never
know.
So the last thing I want to sayis make sure you tell people
you love them period.
You know that's, that's thenumber one.
Make sure you tell your peoplethat you care about them and
everything, Because you knowtomorrow's never promised.
(26:02):
And be responsible.
You know that's the end game.
You got to be responsible foryour actions and everything.
And again, my thoughts andprayers go out to the Kirk
family and whoever is attachedto that Sad event, man, Sad
event, and I hope that we canbuild upwards and, overall, do
(26:29):
better, because this is thelowest of lows man.
I'm going to tell you that much.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
But that's it.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's it.
Hope you guys take care of eachother.
I always say it, take care ofeach other.
I always say it, take care ofeach other.
And I'm out, girl Scout, boyScout, peace.
Welcome to the WDYM, the what Do you Mean?
Podcast.
I'm your host, michaelGillespie, and there will be no
intro today.
I want to take this a littleserious because this past week
we had assassination of CharlieKirk and to see that is just
(00:22):
wild to me, that we can'texpress ourselves in 2025 and
not get shot Period.
It's sad.
First and foremost, it is sad.
It is sad that this happened tosomebody who was just speaking
(00:45):
his mind right.
That should not have happened.
Um, he leaves behind a wife,two kids, two small kids, and
you know it's just a very tragicevent in america and I hope you
know that his wife and hisfamily and his friends and his
colleagues all find some peacefrom this and that you know that
(01:08):
something comes of it.
This episode we will be talkingabout Charlie Kirk, the
assassination and the thingsthat come with this.
I see a divide, of course.
I see a divide between peoplewhen it comes to this man,
because the way Charlie Kirk was, he was, let's see.
(01:33):
Let me find the actual textChristian nationalism and
pro-Trump, which is kind ofconvoluted and confusing at the
same time, but nevertheless, um,he was assassinated september
10th of 2025 in utah and again,first and foremost, we shouldn't
(01:57):
be doing that.
You know we should be doingthat in 2025 because we should
be evolving and getting better,but yet we're still doing silly
stuff and everything and whenyou and it shouldn't be.
It really, really shouldn't beat this juncture you know, we
(02:19):
shouldn't be killing each otherfor things we've said.
So I'm going to talk about thatfor a little bit.
I'm going to talk about somethings surrounding that.
As far as people, theirreactions, uh, from government
to internet, to local people andeverything, and and just
(02:39):
discuss that.
So that's what we're going todo today.
I want to say this nobodydeserves to be shot, period.
I've always had an issue withguns, and to do that who's
someone who is not in themilitary is bothersome, because
(03:02):
we always talk about how good itis to be an American and how
prideful and proud we are asAmericans.
But let's be honest, man, let'sbe honest.
We have a gun problem here.
We've always had a gun problemand it's just escalated to, uh,
(03:23):
the nth degree with Charlie Kirk.
Well, my question is myquestion is why are we never
outraged like this when it comesto a school shooting?
You know, we always say youknow, thoughts and prayers,
thoughts and prayers toeverybody that happens at a
school shooting.
(03:44):
When school shootings happen,that's what, that's the best we
get.
We don't talk about reform orgun control or anything like
that.
It's always.
You're trying to take our secondamendment away from us.
When is it?
When is enough is enough.
Again, I'm not trying to makethis about me or anything like
that, not today.
(04:04):
I'm just letting you know that,hey, when I was in the military
, I had guns on me when I wentdeployed in Afghanistan and
everything, and I hated the ideaof shooting my gun and and
hurting somebody, let alonekilling somebody.
Who am I to play God right?
I never liked that idea.
(04:26):
I never liked the idea of mekilling somebody despite me
signing up for the military.
How weird is that.
Those two don't go together.
But the thing is, is that wheredo we draw the line at?
I'm going to draw a quicktimeline of what happened and
the reaction of people,especially from our government,
and people in our government andwhat's going on, what's going
(04:47):
on in the future.
So he got shot on a wednesdayand I think the guy was captured
.
He was captured on friday earlymorning on friday come to find
out this guy was named tylerrobinson.
Again, all the information hasnot came out as far as you know
(05:07):
who he is and everything likethat.
But before any of that came out, the discussion was it was a
Democrat's fault or it was thisTyler Robinson guy?
We're pointing fingers at awhole group of people let's just
(05:33):
say 50% of America or 49 orwhatever percentage was, when we
had our election.
We had our election andimmediately politicians and
people who follow the RepublicanParty and everything and who
are on the right, whatever youwant to call it Are immediately
(05:55):
pointing fingers at the otherside, saying this is your fault
and we love Charlie Kirk so much, and we are ready to go to war,
for they said civil war.
And I'm confused about that.
I'm confused about that becausehow do we declare who is what?
(06:18):
You know?
How are we going to go overwith our neighbor on an
assumption, right?
You?
You don't know what I vote for,you don't know what your
neighbor votes for, and we'venever really, you know,
discussed that or been openabout our political views.
I mean, you could tell if youtalk to people and everything
people are talking about civilwar or ready to start killing
(06:42):
people.
For what for a man like CharlieKirk now, charlie Kirk, he was,
that guy was.
It's hard to express whatCharlie Kirk was without being
too nasty about it.
I believe what his intentionswere good until he went too far.
(07:06):
He's, he's, he's.
He said some crazy things inthe past and I'm going to play
some of the things that he said,but we got to hold somebody
accountable other than theshooter as it as it's, weird as
that may sound.
Yes, tyler robinson isresponsible for this.
He should face the extent ofthe law for what he's done.
(07:27):
But what about our politicians?
What about the people that aresupposed to represent the people
?
Yes, people are angry and fedup and upset, and rightfully so,
rightfully so.
I'm upset that someone died fordiscussing their beliefs and
(07:48):
everything.
That's one of the things thatwe love about America is that we
can say what we want.
There is consequences to ouractions, though.
That's the thing that I want tobe crystal clear on.
There is consequences to allour actions.
Every reaction is an equal andopposite reaction, yin and yang.
That's what it is.
(08:08):
And when somebody goes way toodeep and attacking people and
saying the things that he said,there's going to be a reaction
to it and that's the sad part.
I learned my lesson about a yearago roughly a year and a half
ago when I said something aboutsomebody and it costed me my job
(08:30):
.
I learned that lesson that whenI say something, I have there's
a responsibility to what I say.
That's why I try to keep thingslight, funny and, just in
general, just chill.
You know what I'm saying.
I don't want to go overboardwith the things I say because
there's a responsibility to whatI say.
(08:53):
Doesn't matter how big I get,doesn't matter how small I am,
there's a responsibility to youractions.
In my opinion, mr Kirk failedIn that.
But first let's play A clipthat a politician Was going on
about.
This one is from Nancy Mace.
(09:15):
Nancy Mace is a representativeOf the house, representatives
from South Carolina News.
Upon Charlie's assassinationshe goes on a tangent, she goes
off and immediately startedblaming Democrats.
Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I'm going to say this Democrats, own what happened
today.
I am devastated.
My kids have called panicking.
They probably all the kids ofevery conservative in the
country call panicking.
Just because you speak yourmind on an issue doesn't mean
you get shot.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So she's 100% right about that.
If you speak your mind, youshould not be worried about a
bullet Period, right?
But when something happened toa Democrat when Melissa Hortman,
when something happened to aDemocrat when Melissa Hortman,
when something happened to her,when she was killed, nobody said
anything about that.
She was also a member of theHouse of Representatives and and
(10:16):
she was shot, her whole familywas shot, even the dog.
So it's like why wasn't youknow why?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
wasn't this brought up?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
This was happened on June 14th.
Melissa Hortman, husband MarkHortman, were killed in
Minnesota.
The shooter was impersonating apolice officer when he decided
to go crazy.
So there's a problem.
There's a problem where we'repointing fingers and we're
asking people who are in thegovernment, who are in control,
(10:46):
to make changes.
I'm I am highly confident.
Most of america wants some somesort of better gun control
period and it's not happening.
And let's not.
Let's not talk about the schoolshootings that happen.
That happens all the time andyou know, when I hear about
(11:07):
these school shootings andeverything, it's the most
terrible.
It's terrible that we're havingthis conversation in america.
Right when I went to schoollong, long, long, long, long
time ago, there was no worry ofsomeone coming up in there
wanting to shoot you.
You know what I mean.
We had, you know, I'll meet youat the flag pole three o'clock
(11:28):
after school so we can fight.
You would have that, but no,but you going home, you're gonna
get your.
You know you might get whoopedor you might do the whooping,
but you're not gonna die.
So they're they're, you know,saying hey, the Democrats do
this, the Democrats do that, andthat's just not the way.
That's not the expectation wehave of our leaders to be
pointing the fingers and allthat stuff.
(11:49):
But the reporters who werethere, one of them was like, hey
, if you're saying the Democratsown this, then what about Ms
Hortman, the other side on that,and listen to how she words it.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Do Republicans own the shooting of the two
Democratic lawmakers inMinnesota?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Isn't this on both sides, are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
me, no, I'm asking you a serious question.
We don't know what conditionCharlie Kirk is in right now.
Some raging leftist lunatic puta bullet through his neck.
And you want to talk aboutRepublicans right now?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
No, no, I'm asking you.
No, not at all.
You said the.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Democrats have the right to no.
This is on.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
The.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Democrats own this.
Democrats own this.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
But is there a problem with political violence
across the spectrum?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, we're talking about Charlie Kirk right now.
That's the subject of this thatwe're talking about right now.
Democrats own this 100%.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
So how crazy is that she refuses to acknowledge what
happened to the Hortmans butquickly wants to blame the
Democrats, and it's like that'spart of the problem in my book.
We can't be doing that In 2025,we can't be doing that and you
(12:57):
know, know, pointing of thefinger and everything is that.
You know, we've lowered ourstandards when it came to the
election.
Now you know my opinion.
My opinion is that we don'telect somebody that's a felon,
because if he's a felon aspresident, but felons can't vote
, make that make sense to me.
(13:18):
I don, it doesn't make sense tome, but we're beyond that and
we have to move on.
We have to move on.
We don't have a choice but tomove on.
So that's what happened.
That's one of the things thathappened.
The reaction, the reaction ofpeople online, is no better, is
not better.
When you hear this, they, this,they who is they?
(13:44):
Another clip from the Daily Show.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
By the way, who's they?
No one knows who the shooter isor what his motivation was, and
even if it was political, hedoesn't represent half the
country.
But some of these MAGA guys areacting like this is a liberal
declaration of war.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
If they can do this, they are capable of anything.
I think that was the message.
I believe that was the message.
It's really hard to radicalizeRepublicans.
Yeah, you know it's like we'renot the radical type.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I'm sorry.
First off, it's not that hardto radicalize Republicans.
You guys almost burned down thecountry because Cracker Barrel
changed its font.
And also, once again, who isthey?
Does anyone want to specify whothey is?
Or are we just going to keeptalking about all that they do?
Speaker 7 (14:41):
They are at war with us, whether we want to accept it
or not.
They are at war with us.
Trump gets hit in the ear,charlie gets shot dead.
They came after Kavanaugh witha rifle to his neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Look, I'm sure people in the media would love to talk
about how they are responsiblefor what they've done and how
they had better watch out orelse they'll get what's coming
to them.
But I think it would be betterif we as a country understood
that we have a problem withpolitical violence and we need
(15:13):
to start thinking less in termsof what they should do and more
in terms of what we have to do.
That the last time it felt likewe thought in terms of we was
on 9-11, when we all cametogether as a nation and we did.
We did, even if it was just forone day.
(15:37):
You know, sure we turned prettyquickly to scapegoating Muslims
and blogging about how Bush didit, but on that one day we were
united as a country.
And I don't know what you do toget back to that.
Obviously not another 9-11.
I want to be very clear aboutthat.
But what about I don't know analien invasion?
(15:57):
You know, maybe if UFOssuddenly appeared over every
important US city and also LosAngeles, that's the thing that
would jolt us off our phones andbring us back together, or the
aliens take over and enslave usall.
But at this point that might beworth a try.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So very good points brought up by the Daily Show is
that when is they turn back towe or us and everything, but we
have problems.
The thing is that before,before we found out it was Tyler
Robinson, we got you know theliberal, this Democrat that, and
(16:35):
then the own freaking governorof Utah went in on it again,
said the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
I was praying that that if this had to happen here,
that it wouldn't be one of us,that somebody drove from another
state.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Somebody came from another country.
Sadly that that that prayer wasnot answered the way I hoped
for what did he say?
Exactly like.
Why would you even saysomething like that period it?
It boggles the mind why they'resaying the quiet part out loud,
(17:19):
Like what was his prayer like?
And you know, you know the WDYL.
Today is a serious day.
Today is a serious episode.
But when I see something likethis online, you know it cracks
me up, because why would that beyour reaction as a governor?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Please, heavenly Father, let it be Latino, or
maybe a black person, possiblyfrom Atlanta.
Heavenly Father, it could beanybody Venezuela, dominican.
Dear Lord, we'll take anything.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
He's white, from Utah .
Speaker 1 (17:54):
His parents, Exactly the point.
Tyler Robinson was from Utahah,caucasian male.
You know, everything is not outyet as far as what was his
motivation for it, at least asfar as I know.
I mean, I'm not going to digtoo deep because it'd probably
get more and more depressing asI fall down that rabbit hole.
(18:16):
But we have, we have to, wehave to be accountable for
everything we say, our actionsand everything, including mr
kirk.
Right, he would speak about anyand everything and some of the
things that he said would rilepeople up and again.
You could say what you want,but there's an ebb and flow to
(18:39):
everything.
Every reaction has an equal andopposite reaction.
You are responsible for whatyou say and do.
OK there's no mistaking it Ifyou drive a car and you hit
somebody, you are responsible.
If you try to drink six, seven,eight, nine beers and get
behind the wheel, you areresponsible.
(19:00):
Why are we not holding peopleresponsible with the words they
say?
Here's some of the things thatCharlie Kirk has said.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
This were a truth sinking show, but I can say
declaratively this guy is notworthy of a national holiday, he
is not worthy of Godlike status, in fact, I think that is, in
reference to martin luther kingit's real.
Kirk describes king as quote abad guy.
It's true, and kirkself-described very, very
radical view that the countrymade a mistake when it passed
the civil rights act.
(19:30):
Also true.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Once a week we talk about why the civil rights act
was a mistake so if you had adaughter and she was 10 and she
got raped and she was going togive birth and she would know
wait oh, and she was going togive birth and she was going to
live.
Would you want her to gothrough that and carry her baby?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
That's awfully graphic.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
It's no, but it's a real life scenario that happens
to many people.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
We're trying to get the officer who murdered George
Floyd pardon.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
And I just want to know what your reasoning was
about that.
Well, george Floyd didn't diebecause of the police officer.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
He died largely because of a drug overdose, but
he had a so there is so muchthings out there that Charlie
Kirk has said that isirresponsible, but all that he
didn't deserve.
He didn't deserve to die forthat.
And you see the reaction of ourpoliticians, the people online,
(20:23):
even the people that I know inmy life that are saying this
isn't about race or anythinglike that.
Nobody brought up race, as faras I know.
But I've seen people comparethis to George Floyd and how
people are reacting to CharlieKirk's assassination, to George
(20:44):
Floyd dying.
Now let me remind you thatGeorge Floyd died with the
police officer's knee on hisneck and they always say, yeah,
like he said, it's defending allthe drugs or whatever, with
that Applying pressure to aperson's neck for a good 10, you
know, I think it was seven to10 minutes or something like
that.
And when he is saying he can'tbreathe or anything and he's,
(21:06):
he's calling for his mama.
Let's not forget that.
And this man was supposed to bean officer of the law.
The man was already detainedand everything.
So when people react, whenpeople posting that online and
seeing the rioting compared tothe prayers that mr kirk got to
me is not a comparison at all inmy opinion.
(21:28):
Let's just remember whathappened those days and see how
this person is.
Charlie kirk had issues and,like I said before, he has to be
responsible for what he said,period.
We are responsible for ouractions and everything.
And again, I don't think he.
I will say that till the till.
(21:49):
I'm blue in the face.
He didn't deserve to die, butwe all have to be responsible
for our actions.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
If you're going to be in anything in life, in any
aspect of life, you have to beresponsible for our actions.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
If you're going to be in anything in life, in any
aspect of life, you have to beresponsible for what you say and
everything.
Okay, say and do and everything.
The last thing I want to touchon is his wife.
Her name is Erica Kirk and youknow she's probably going
through a whirlwind of emotionsright now, and rightfully so.
I could not imagine how she'sfeeling and what is going
(22:24):
through her mind and her kids,and how she's going to pick up
the pieces and everything.
The only thing that is bringingcomfort to me is that her,
their kids, are young enough,and I hate to say that their
(22:46):
kids are young enough.
So if you know, she does moveon or whatever, or not, that
they might forget, and I don'twant to say it like that and I
don't want to say it like that,but we have to move on with life
and I don't, I don't, I don'twant to say it like that, but we
have to move on with life and Idon't want to be in her shoes,
period.
I will pray for her family,hope for the best for them, but
(23:11):
things are so weird with her.
They returned to I think helives in Arizona, if I'm not
correct, like.
This was just a couple days ago, ladies and gentlemen, and she
has video of her kissing hishand in the casket and
everything.
Now, you know, we all grieveour own way and everything, and
(23:35):
you know, maybe this is how shegrieves, but you know, normally,
normal people do that behindclosed doors and not have that
on social media and everything.
It's just.
It's just all around.
Just a tragic event, sad eventand condolences to to everybody.
(23:57):
This affects to everybody.
This affects.
Speaker 8 (24:07):
So, within a couple of days, erica put out a speech
and this is what she said.
You should all know this.
If you thought that myhusband's mission was powerful
before, you have no idea.
You have no idea what you justhave unleashed across this
entire country, in this world.
You have no idea.
You have no idea.
The fire that you have ignitedwithin this wife, the cries of
(24:28):
this widow, will echo around theworld like a battle cry to
everyone listening.
Tonight, across America, themovement my husband built will
not die.
It won't.
I refuse to let that happen.
It will not die.
All of us will refuse to letthat happen.
(24:49):
No one will ever forget myhusband's name and I will make
sure of it.
They should all know.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I just I'm.
I'm crediting this to grief,right?
I think she's grieving so badright now, and rightfully so,
that I just don't want thefinger pointing no more Like a
battle cry.
You know, when she's sayingthat type of stuff, what are you
implying?
Like the focus should be on theshooter and the person who did
(25:18):
this heinous crime.
I mean it just just I don'tknow.
I'm just going to credit thisto grief and that I hope that
whatever she does to, you know,keep, keep his little tusa open,
turning point, his littlecompany open and everything you
know, maybe that's, maybe, maybethat's what she's talking about
(25:40):
.
I maybe that's what she'stalking about.
I'm hoping that's what she'stalking about, but you never
know.
So the last thing I want to sayis make sure you tell people
you love them period.
You know that's, that's thenumber one.
Make sure you tell your peoplethat you care about them and
everything, Because you knowtomorrow's never promised.
(26:02):
And be responsible.
You know that's the end game.
You got to be responsible foryour actions and everything.
And again, my thoughts andprayers go out to the Kirk
family and whoever is attachedto that Sad event, man, Sad
event, and I hope that we canbuild upwards and, overall, do
(26:29):
better, because this is thelowest of lows man.
I'm going to tell you that much.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
But that's it.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's it.
Hope you guys take care of eachother.
I always say it, take care ofeach other.
I always say it, take care ofeach other.
And I'm out, girl Scout, boyScout, peace.
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