Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:00):
Welcome to We Are Women Unapologetically, the podcast
that talks about the good, bad, ugly and awesome careers, life,
transitions, confidence, and everything in between.
Because shift happens, but you don't have to do it alone.
Hello and welcome to season 2 ofWe Are Women Unapologetically,
(00:21):
My name is Jessica Cumming. Before we get started today, I
want to let you know that this season is going to feel
different because it is different.
It's going to get raw. It's going to get real, and I am
going to be pulling back the curtains on not only some of my
stories, but also of the people that I'm going to be
interviewing this season. I ended season 1 because I knew
(00:44):
that I needed to step back. I needed to live into the
clarity that I had been teaching.
I needed to pause and I needed to reset.
I did that by making two separate trips home to
Wisconsin. I drove down the same dirt roads
that I did as a teenager. I reconnected with family that I
hadn't seen in years. I visited old places that have
(01:05):
changed and quite honestly, somethat probably never will.
One of the moments that really taught me that I needed to slow
down came from my Aunt Paula. We were in the car and she said
to me, I've been in a hurry for 40 years and I'm just not
anymore. She said that to me so matter of
(01:25):
factly. Like it was as simple as the
truth. But honestly it stopped me
because here I am, 20 years intomy own career and I'm realizing
just how fast time really does move.
I'm also realizing that if I don't choose differently, I am
going to wake up one day and 20 more years are going to be gone.
(01:48):
20 more years of wondering why didn't I start sooner?
20 more years of thinking why didn't I share my story when I
had the chance. 20 more years ofwondering, did I create the
legacy that I've been wanting to?
That's what this season is about.
Making brave choices and then living into them.
(02:12):
Last season we ended with givingyourself permission.
Permission to pivot. But making the decision is only
step one. Now we're going to talk about
what happens after you have already walked away.
You've closed the chapter, handed in the resignation letter
and in the relationship. Yep, we're going there too.
(02:34):
This episode is about that exactmoment, the in between, the
messy middle, the space where you're no longer who you once
were, but you are not yet who you're becoming.
And maybe for you, it's not going to be about your
professional career at all. Maybe it's your marriage, maybe
it's empty nest, maybe it's a diagnosis.
(02:55):
And maybe it's just the quiet realization that the life that
you built doesn't fit who you want to be anymore.
Each episode will give you a tangible step that you can take
in practice. And I'm letting you know now
that if you skip it, you're going to stay stuck.
But if you do it, if you're willing to do the work, you will
(03:17):
move forward. That is my promise to you.
I am going to help you see your story because this isn't just
about me. It's about you.
And one last thing, the name of this podcast isn't changing.
We Are Women Unapologetically will always be a space to
champion women. But here's what surprised me.
(03:37):
Men told me they saw themselves in these conversations.
They admitted they were in theirown transitions.
So while the name isn't changing, the invitation is
open. If you are here, no matter who
you are, you are welcome. So welcome to season 2 and let's
begin. When you finally make the
(03:59):
decision, you think that you're going to feel free, and I
thought so too. I thought once I closed the
door, I would feel instant relief, but instead I felt
stuck. And maybe you've been there too.
You leave the job and you think that you would feel light, but
instead you feel lost. You end the relationship and
instead of peace, you feel panic.
(04:20):
We tell ourselves that freedom feels like fireworks, but
sometimes that freedom, it feelslike fog.
Right now, you might believe if I just make the brave choice,
everything will get better immediately.
But here's what's actually true.Making that decision is only the
initiation. Living it, embodying it,
(04:42):
rebuilding, that is the actual work.
And this in between, it's not wasted.
It is not failure, it's transformation. 50% of American
workers are considering a careerchange and the average person
will have 12 jobs over their lifetime.
This in between, space that is becoming the norm.
(05:05):
But most of us were still stuck treating it like it's abnormal.
We're treating it like it's something to rush through
instead of lean into. So let me ask you, where have
you made the choice? But now you're frustrated
because you don't feel as free as you thought you would?
Think about that. Will I tell you a little bit
about my story? Some of you have heard my layoff
(05:28):
story before, but this might shed a little bit of a different
light of what I was really goingthrough.
The week of layoffs, everyone knew it.
You could feel at the air. Meetings were shifting,
priorities were being shuffled, and people were on edge because
this wasn't the first time it had happened.
But that particular week before,my boss had done something
strange. He had asked about my vacation.
(05:52):
He not only asked about my vacation dates when you wrote
them down. And that was something he had
never once cared about before. And then all of a sudden he did.
Then I was asked to add someone else to my calls.
I said yes, I will add her, but we both still have jobs, right?
Followed by his nervous laugh and he quickly ran away.
(06:13):
When our regular scheduled one-on-one popped up on my
calendar that week, the first thing that I did was check it.
Was anyone added? Is there anyone else that's
going to be joining the call? I didn't see anyone and I
thought, OK, I'm safe. Then I joined the call and he
said to me, hey Jessica, we're just waiting for someone from HR
to join. And in that moment I knew I
(06:36):
responded very quickly. I guess that tells me everything
I need to know. And just like that, nearly two
decades worth of work gone and minutes.
I put the phone on speaker. I started pacing.
My hands were shaking. I was texting my boyfriend, my
aunts, old bosses. My body knew what had just
(06:58):
happened, but my brain hadn't even had a chance to catch up.
I was in disbelief, shock, betrayal because I had been
giving my all to that company 14hours a day, weekends, my
health. I was so stressed out.
I had started to physically losemy hair and here I was being let
(07:20):
go. When the call ended, I broke
down crying. I called my boyfriend.
I said I cannot believe this just happened.
But there was one call that I didn't make, that I could not
make, and that was to my dad because I didn't want him to be
disappointed. I wanted to be the daughter who
(07:40):
made him proud. And in that moment, I thought,
how do I tell them it's over? You know that moment when the
chapter suddenly closes and the future is blank?
That is exactly what I felt thatday.
Here's what I learned from that moment.
(08:01):
My identity had become so wrapped up and being productive
that I forgot who I truly was underneath all that doing and
that rushing back to normal wasn't strength, it was fear.
Now I know that all of you have had that version of that call.
(08:24):
It may not have been HR, but maybe it was a doctor's office.
Maybe it was the knock on the door with the divorce papers,
the manager who told you the promotion was going to someone
else, and suddenly you were thrown in to the in between.
Here's what usually happens. At first you scramble.
(08:45):
You tell yourself you need to fix it, and you need to fix it
fast. And then you start applying for
jobs you don't want, reaching out to people that you don't
actually miss, and you try to make it go away by recreating
the old. Sound familiar?
That is what I call the false pause.
It looks like you're actually taking time to process, but what
(09:08):
you're really doing is you are running back to what is
familiar. It's when you're job hunting
frantically instead of asking what do I actually want?
It's when you jump into the nextrelationship without processing
why the last one even ended. It's motion without direction.
It's activity without intention.And if you're honest with
(09:34):
yourself right now, are you actually rebuilding or are you
just trying to recreate what youlost?
Here's why the in between feels so unbearable sometimes.
It's because we tie our worth toour titles, our roles, our
productivity. And so when that is stripped
(09:56):
away, it feels like identity loss.
In 2024 alone, over 136,000 techworkers were laid off.
But behind every number is a person waking up wondering, who
am I now? It's not just about the money,
(10:17):
it's about the identity. When your identity has been tied
to your work for nearly two decades, silence doesn't feel
like rest. It feels unbearable.
I remember 1 morning about a week after I was laid off, I
woke up and just for a minute before my brain really kicked
(10:39):
in, I felt peaceful. My body was intense, my jaw
wasn't clenched, and I hadn't realized how long it had truly
been since I had felt that way. And quickly after, the guilt set
in. Because how could I feel
peaceful after I had just lost everything?
(11:03):
But that moment taught me something.
Sometimes what we think is devastation is actually
liberation, even if we're not ready to see it yet.
Silence doesn't feel restful. At first.
It feels terrifying. But silence isn't punishment,
(11:25):
It's preparation. It is where you learn to really,
truly hear yourself again so that silence that you're sitting
in, that's not emptiness. That is your transformation
unfolding. Now, I want to talk about the
permission that I had to give myself and the permission that I
(11:48):
encourage you to give yourself. I had to give myself permission
and grief, not just for the job,but for who I thought I was
supposed to be. The biggest lesson in that is
that you need to truly understand that your worth is
not your output. I also had to give myself
(12:12):
permission to not have a plan because for the first time in
decades, I honestly did not knowwhat came next.
Third of all, I had to give myself permission to disappoint
people. When you stop performing your
old identity, some people won't recognize you anymore.
(12:33):
They won't reach out to you. I had to learn the difference
between being lost and being free to choose.
That's the work that people don't tell you about.
Learning to be OK with being unknown, even if it's unknown to
yourself. So let me shift this for you,
(12:53):
because right now you may be believing not knowing means I'm
failing. But what if that actually wasn't
true? What if not knowing means I am
becoming? How do you try to bridge that
gap? By allowing yourself to sit in
(13:15):
the space long enough for clarity to surface?
Because I am telling you right now, clarity does not come when
you force it or keep running from it.
It comes when you stop performing for everyone else and
get honest with yourself. I don't know isn't failure, it's
(13:40):
courage. I don't know means that you have
stopped pretending. It means you have stopped
rushing towards the next thing just because it's expected.
And I don't know is the beginning of knowing.
Research shows that people who take intentional time during
(14:01):
career transitions, even just 30days, are 40% more likely to
find roles aligned with their values.
But most of us, we don't take that time.
We panic, we rush, we skip the very space where clarity lives.
(14:22):
So I want you to stop and ask yourself, what am I pretending
to not know right now? What truth have I been avoiding?
If you skip this transformation period, the cost is high.
Now you may be saying to me, Jessica, I don't have 30 days, I
(14:45):
don't have two weeks. I have to do something right
away. I'm letting you know you will
repeat patterns. You'll make choices from
urgency, not alignment. You will erode trust with
yourself. Take the time that you can, but
be intentional with that time. Because every time you run back
(15:10):
to what's safe, you tell yourself, I can't handle
uncertainty. I see this all the time.
People who skip this process, who rush back into the familiar.
Six months later, they find themselves in the exact same
situation. They try to escape from the same
(15:31):
stress, the same misalignment, the same feeling of being
trapped. Why?
Because they never asked the question that really mattered.
What do I actually want? But here is what I know.
You can handle uncertainty, and you must because this in between
(15:55):
season. It is the workshop to where your
transformation is being built. Here's your clarity reset action
for the week. Set a timer for 10 minutes
today, and if you don't have 10 minutes, set it for five.
But write down one truth you have been avoiding.
(16:17):
Don't filter it. Don't justify it just right.
And then I want you to ask yourself, what would honoring
this truth set me free from? That is where your clarity
lives. Not in the noise, not in the
rushing and the raw truth that you're willing to admit.
(16:42):
So here is the new perspective Iwant you to carry with you
today. You are not stuck.
You are in a strategic hold, like a plane that's circling the
runway, waiting until it's safe to land.
That is not failure, that is wisdom.
The uncertainty that you're feeling, it's not weakness, that
is wisdom. Your inner voice is finally
(17:06):
getting a chance to be heard. So instead of rushing to fill
the space, what if you trusted it?
What if you let it do its work on you?
What if you believed that this transformation period is exactly
what you need? Here is the bottom line.
(17:28):
This in between space is not punishment, it's preparation.
Clarity ignored turns into yearswasted, but clarity honored.
That is the beginning of everything.
If you want to take a deeper dive, I have created a Clarity
in 10 Reset. It's a guided 10 minute practice
(17:49):
with journaling prompts and breathing resets.
You'll find it in the show notes.
And for deeper transformation, Iwill be launching A Courage to
Pause soon. It's a 30 day self-guided
program with daily practices to step into who you are becoming.
If this episode resignated, share it with someone else who
is in their own in between. Download the Clarity intend
(18:10):
Reset in the show notes. When you're ready to join, send
me a message about the Courage to Pause.
Because clarity deserves more than a moment.
It deserves a practice. You don't have to do this alone.
And until next time, stay fierce.
Stay bold. But most importantly, stay
(18:33):
unapologetically you.