August 4, 2024 • 53 mins
Welcome back to We Have Kids! In our second episode, we dive into the crucial topic of self-care for new moms. From the impossibility of finding time for yourself to balancing the chaos of everyday life, we share our personal experiences and practical tips to help you carve out those essential moments of peace.
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Jordan (00:00):
I, uh, will add 30 seconds to two minutes of very
(00:03):
cold water at the end of myshower.
Lindsay (00:06):
We've done this together.
We
Jordan (00:08):
haven't done this together.
Well,
Lindsay (00:09):
not like in the shower, but like you used to have a tub,
right?
We are not that close offriends.
Hey, everyone.
Hi, Jordan.
Jordan (00:29):
Hey, Lindsay.
Lindsay (00:31):
What's up?
Yeah, not a lot.
Oh, gosh.
Not a lot, but a lot.
A lot.
It seems to be what we alwayssay.
Not a lot, When someone, anyoneasks me what's going on, what's
new with you.
I go blank.
There's so much going on that Idon't even know where to start,
but not much, I guess.
Jordan (00:50):
Start with, we have a new podcast.
Yes.
It's called.
Yeah.
We have kids.
We have kids.
Lindsay (00:57):
Period.
Jordan (00:58):
It's this.
It's this.
You're listening right now.
This is
Lindsay (01:01):
our newest endeavor, our newest fun hobby.
We're in Jordan's finishedbasement.
Jordan (01:07):
Ooh, finished is a little bit of a stretch.
Lindsay (01:11):
Whatever.
I have like, okay, so I live bya riverbank and I have a crawl
space that's just cemented andwe have to keep it very dry.
We run a dehumidifier down thereand so this is very finished for
me.
I love it.
Jordan (01:25):
Yeah, we don't have to dehumidify anything, which is
great for my husband becausebeing from the UK he gets very,
triggered by Dehumidifyinganything and everything.
Lindsay (01:34):
He probably loves living in Utah.
Oh my god,
Jordan (01:36):
dry air here.
He's obsessed with it Having adry towel when you get out of
the shower It's like probably
Lindsay (01:42):
It's
Jordan (01:45):
luxury
Lindsay (01:46):
Probably can't handle like any mildew smell or Like
old, wet,
Jordan (01:52):
anything.
I don't know.
Yeah.
But luckily there isn't any ofthat here.
Lindsay (01:56):
I've never been to the UK, but I feel, I sense that,
uh, from description and justfrom understanding the weather
there.
And all of our wine tastings.
Jordan and I have done a lot ofwine tastings.
So much wine in the U.
K.
So much, like, I'm just thinking
Jordan (02:12):
of old
Lindsay (02:13):
world wine.
My brain went from like, U.
K.
to like, Europe.
From rainy Europe.
Like, old.
Jordan (02:23):
Oh, that's like, that's funny.
They've got a lot of cider inthe UK.
Yeah.
Great, great beers and ciders,but not a lot of winemaking
happening.
Not in England
Lindsay (02:32):
at least.
They're missing out on everyoneelse making the wine in Europe.
Jordan (02:35):
Yeah.
It's a good spot for wine.
Yeah.
Cool.
Welcome in.
Yeah, welcome.
Hi.
Lindsay (02:42):
This is how all of our meetings go when we hang out.
It just gets very random and westart going all over the place.
Jordan (02:49):
Yeah.
This is what happens when you'rea parent and you don't get to
hang out with your friendsenough guys.
Lindsay (02:54):
No structure in conversation at all.
It's just going to go in 80different directions in less
than five minutes.
Yep.
Jordan (03:02):
Yep.
Strap in.
Lindsay (03:04):
All right.
Welcome, everyone.
We're having a new episode.
We're just moving along herewith episodes.
It's been so fun learning allthe tricks and like the
equipment and everything.
So this is going fun.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, we have a few fun ishthings to talk about today.
We're talking about a big one,self care, we do foresee more
(03:27):
episodes about self care, butright now we're going to talk
about self care in the sense ofthe first few weeks of
postpartum and how to find thatself care and what's important.
Since we've both had thatexperience, I would say recently
within the last year, I, it'sdefinitely something that will
continue to like be forced thatI have to force it on myself to
(03:49):
like self care in every day.
Oh, absolutely.
It's a struggle.
Yeah.
And when I look back, I wish Iwould have done better at, at
that, but I think I was more insurvival mode.
I would imagine you were too.
And
Jordan (03:59):
I'm still, I am still in survival mode.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm still in survival mode.
I'm recovering.
Actually, I had like quite, uh,quite an adventure yesterday.
Yeah.
So it was a wild day.
My kid had a doctor'sappointment in the morning at
like nine.
So Adrian and I got up, did ourquick breakfast routine, got out
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the door as fast as we couldwith a one year old, which is
never the quickest experience inyour life.
If you've had it, then youunderstand.
And yeah, we got to the doctor'soffice just five minutes late.
I kind of thought that was awin.
but the doctor's office wasrunning super behind.
I think they were short staffedor I don't know what was going
on.
Um, what ended up happening waswe waited for a full hour and
(04:46):
had a restless kid and arestless husband who eventually
just Uber to work because it gotso late.
You know, long story short, bythe time we left the doctor's
office, my baby was Was nothaving a good time And,, I
thought that it would be a goodidea based on her nap schedule
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yesterday to just do shopping,grocery shopping immediately
after the doctor's, notrealizing that it was going to
be such an ordeal and totally adisaster.
Lindsay, don't ever, don't evergo shopping after the doctor.
Lindsay (05:21):
I get what you're saying though.
'cause sometimes when you haveall those appointments and
you're running around already,you're like, let me just get the
groceries real quick.
Like, I just
Jordan (05:29):
wanna do it all right now.
Yeah.
Like can I just
Lindsay (05:30):
get it done?
Yeah.
Don't wanna like go home andthen do it later.
Oh, I get it.
But good point.
Yeah.
Jordan (05:36):
No bad idea.
So I mean, if everything wentsmoothly at the doctor, I think
that would've been one thing
Lindsay (05:41):
I was gonna say.
It probably would've gottenbetter.
Yeah.
A little.
Had you not waited so long.
Yeah.
Jordan (05:45):
Before I mean ideally she doesn't really like to get
prodded by strangers.
So that was Maybe never gonnago.
Well, anyway, and then it's Andthen it's Thanksgiving week.
So we get to Costco, she'salready fussing.
I put her in the seat the wholeway around this super, super
crazy, busy store.
Costco is the worst place to goduring a holiday week.
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PSA for everyone.
I know we all have to go there.
We don't all have to, we get to,I know it's a privilege, but.
But good God, yeah, it can be alot.
So by the time we were leaving,she was like trying to get out
of the little car and wrigglingand screaming.
And I was about to be screamingmyself and then we had another
full grocery shop to do.
(06:29):
Yeah, it was terrible.
By the time I got home, and thenshe fell asleep in the car on
the way home, which was alwaysscary because you're like, are
they going to go back to sleep?
Oh my God, I just ruined mywhole day.
Um, but yeah, we got inside.
I was able to transfer her toher crib.
She was passed out.
She hadn't even, like, she'dmissed a meal.
I don't, she must have just beenout of sorts, but I put her
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down.
She was too asleep to even wakeup, which I was kind of grateful
for, really.
but I was so exhausted.
I just hauled the groceries in.
I looked at them on the floor,and I thought to myself, my
nervous system is, like,sparking right now.
Like, I can't even take a fullbreath.
I can't look at these groceries.
And I had nothing to do but liedown on the floor, Lindsay.
(07:14):
I was like, I have so much todo, like, I have so much to do
during this nap, like what canI, but my brain was just not
working on my side.
So I, what I did was I set atimer for five minutes.
I laid out my yoga mat.
I put up a couple blocks andlike a pillows to make it
comfortable.
And I literally just laid on thefloor.
Groceries everywhere around me.
Lindsay (07:36):
minutes.
That is a picture that I canperfectly see in my mind of you
on the floor with the groceriestrying to like chill out because
What mom can't understand that,especially with like, when you
mentioned your nervous systemwas just like, like radiating
and like sparking.
(07:57):
Oh my gosh.
I like, I know exactly themoments that I have.
It's like bringing me up just tothink about it.
Yes.
When you said I was like,
Jordan (08:03):
Oh, I know exactly what she's talking about.
Yeah.
So in that moment, I realizedthat a good topic today, um, and
perhaps one of the most ironicthat I'm coming at you with
altogether, cause I'm so bad atthis.
Self care, like Lindsay said.
Yeah, so let's get into it.
Let's do it.
As I was kind of doing somelike, uh, you know, surface
(08:25):
level is what we're always goingto say about our research.
Yes, yeah.
But as I was doing some surfacelevel sort of research on this,
uh, what I found out was thatself care is either not
emphasized or is totallymissing, from most of the common
used, measures of maternalhealth.
Postpartum.
Um, Lindsay mentioned that we'regoing to be talking about kind
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of the postpartum period.
I'm going to just extend thatthrough like to one year.
That's what she and I both haveexperience with.
We don't have anything furtherthan that.
Like she said, I think self careis going to change as our babies
grow and as our time commitmentschange and whatever.
But if you are a new mom, thisone's for you.
So there was a study inAustralia that I found and it
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found it was like 200 moms thatthey were Interviewing and none,
not a single one of all 200 ofthem had resumed like a sort of
normal level of self care aftersix weeks, which is like kind of
obvious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Six weeks is none of us arenormal.
It's like a blink of an eye.
Six weeks, dude.
It's a blink of an
Lindsay (09:27):
eye.
A blink.
So much of a blink that I barelyremember.
I just remember like mysettings.
Of where I was in my house, you
Jordan (09:36):
know.
Right.
Nothing else.
No, I don't think anyoneperfectly remembers that time,
which is kind of a shame.
But yeah, if that feels fuzzy,if that memory feels fuzzy to
you, or if you're living itright now and you feel fuzzy,
that's normal.
That's totally normal.
I do want to say that if you'renot finding time for it, that's
okay.
(09:56):
Yeah, that's super okay.
Yeah, like pretty normal.
Yep.
Um, so let's get that out of theway.
So an another study Was lookingat mom's six months postpartum
and the percentage of womenthere who hadn't resumed kind of
normal self care activities andthey were talking about Super
basic things like going for awalk, having sex with your
partner, even things like layingdown.
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The percentage that hadn'tresumed normal levels of this
was 80 percent.
And that, that sounds a littlebit more surprising.
I, it would even be shockingexcept that I've been there and
I'm not surprised at all by it.
Right.
Lindsay (10:33):
80 percent.
When I was six months, okay, mydaughter was in, it was
summertime.
And I, at that point I was stillnot feeling ready cause I was
attached to the pump.
Oh yeah.
Like, I felt like that wastaking up my like self care time
that I could have put in formyself and I just wasn't there
yet.
There's
Jordan (10:52):
definitely a need for it.
There's maybe just like, uh, Idon't know, we're all just still
transitioning into motherhoodright then, aren't we?
Yeah.
Like, no one's kind of got itdown after, so if you've got it
down after six months and youfeel like you're solid in your
self care routine.
That's incredible.
Lindsay (11:10):
Incredible.
I
Jordan (11:11):
think you're a huge
Lindsay (11:12):
minority.
Like almost super, yeah, superwoman, yeah,
Jordan (11:15):
super powers.
Definitely.
Good for you.
For the rest of us, there's awelcome to the club.
I'm still not even close.
That's, yeah, that's why we'retalking about this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, uh, just on a quick note,something that's worth.
like mentioning here is thatsimilar studies have actually
shown that while women who areexperiencing like we've this is
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just a note on postpartumdepression if you're
experiencing postpartumdepression you're probably
caring for your infant just finemost moms who have ppd still are
able to care for their infantswithout any issue or without you
know enough of an issue thatit's like Affecting the well
being of your child, butpostpartum depression does have
an impact on a woman's abilityto care for themselves.
(12:00):
That's statistically, yeah,like, even more difficult for
women who are experiencingpostpartum depression.
Um, and postpartum depression, Idid a quick Google search.
I was like, well, how manypeople are having, having that
experience?
It's up to like 20 percent ofwomen going through postpartum
depression at some point afterthat first year.
That's
Lindsay (12:19):
a lot.
If we could eradicate somethinglike that, like, I feel like our
world would be so much like, ourpostpartum world would
Jordan (12:32):
feel so good.
Can you imagine?
Yeah.
So, back to that study.
The same study found that whilemost women expressed that the
primary importance for them wasself care, even over like caring
for their infant, there was kindof a conflicting but.
prevalent idea coming from thesemoms that selflessness is an
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important trait in a parent.
So there's this idea that we,that we do need to look after
ourselves because obviously ourmental and physical and
emotional health is critical toour ability to parent.
Yes.
But at the same time in parallelis this like disparate idea
that, yeah, we have to beselfless.
And I think that striking thebalance between those two is.
Uh, definitely where I'mpersonally struggling and I
(13:15):
think where, uh, like a lot ofwomen could be parents because
self care is important for thedads too and for people who,
yeah, totally don't
Lindsay (13:23):
identify in that category.
Once that little being entersyour world, your, your entire
focus and attention iseverything is on them to help
them succeed physically,emotionally, uh, mentally, like
everything.
You just put so much effortinto.
That little child.
Jordan (13:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's
Lindsay (13:44):
how, yeah, that when you're doing that nonstop, of
course, it's going to be reallyhard to kind of find that
balance of finding time foryourself.
I always try to remind myselfnothing in this home is going to
thrive unless I don't take sometime for myself first.
Yeah.
Cause sometimes I'll, I'll findmyself like, okay, I'm going to
do my, do my self care likelater in the day or like mid day
(14:08):
or whatever.
But if I don't do it first andforemost at the beginning of the
day, I feel like I can succeedin my home better.
My daughter has a better parent.
a better mom, you know, myspouse has a better spouse.
Like, you know, I'm not shortwith him.
If he asked me a simplequestion, you know, I just.
That self care for me personallyhas to come at the very
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beginning of the day.
And so I just remind myselffirst and foremost, my self care
comes first.
Yeah,
Jordan (14:35):
that's great.
It's super great that you've gotthat like in your head and in
your routine.
I think that's pretty critical.
And that actually brings me tothe next point that I was going
to make, which is perfect.
So, so finding that balance.,Can be really tricky and there
are three main things, like kindof three main, uh, obstacles or
barriers to women, to thesewomen in this study
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specifically, um, kind offinding that space for
themselves or, you know, likeworking the self care into their
routines.
So those three barriers are Thisis going to surprise absolutely
no one time, which is like, Icould have just like shed a tear
on the mark.
That one is for me.
Limited resources.
(15:16):
Um, this could be so manythings.
Like for me, when, when I thinkabout my own limited resources,
the thing that I feel mostlimited on is cash and finances.
I know for Lindsay, maybe like,um, I was thinking about for you
and one thing that, that I havein spades around here that you
don't have is like familymembers around to help out.
Yeah.
Lindsay (15:36):
Yeah.
Um, for me, it's definitely, uh,like the time thing I can relate
to for sure.
Um, I, I, being a stay at homemom, my daughter has all of my
time.
My husband comes home and then.
It gives me a chance to stepaway for a few more minutes than
I could have when she was downfor a nap or something.
(15:59):
But I don't want to necessarilybecause I don't want to miss out
on that family bonding time.
Yeah, totally.
So then I'm like, okay, now Ineed to schedule in and figure
out when's a good time to stepaway from my spouse and my
daughter.
And that happens to be at likeanywhere between 4 in the
morning.
Jordan (16:18):
And if I had the gumption to wake up that early,
then
Lindsay (16:21):
I would do the same thing.
Yeah, it is really hard.
I am getting a little bit betterat it.
I've been going to bed earlierand earlier to like make it work
out.
Yeah.
Um, it's tough when you don'thave close family.
Um, I'm lucky in the sense thatmy, uh, in laws are both retired
and they do visit quite often.
So we take full, I do take fulladvantage.
(16:43):
It's a win win.
They absolutely love the time.
And they're like, go, go do yourthing.
Go do whatever you need to do.
Get your errands run that aretough to do with your daughter
or whatever.
Um, but.
Yeah, 430 it is.
Yeah, and I
Jordan (16:57):
mean you're saying you have that help, and you do, but
I think they come like a fewtimes a year, whereas for me
I've got like a sister who liveswith us who loves spending time
with my kid as much as I do.
As anything else, so
Lindsay (17:09):
as much as I could be jealous of you, I'm so happy for
you that you have that becauseyour daughter thrives on that
too.
Oh, she loves it.
I almost feel like when I havemore people in my home that are
staying like visitors, mydaughter thrives and like almost
meets her.
Milestones quicker.
Yeah, sooner.
Yeah.
(17:29):
So I think that's somethingreally cool that like if they
have more people and moreinteraction in their
home
Jordan (17:34):
with getting more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm so happy that you have that.
Yeah, it's it has been.
Yeah, she's so great.
Shout out.
Um, so the third thing justwinding it back into the
barriers, the three mainbarriers to self care.
the third thing is struggling toask for or accept help and
(17:54):
boundary setting.
so this could be, look likemaybe a lack of trust around
whether another person, evenyour partner maybe, um, cannot
care for your child in the waythat you.
I feel comfortable caring forthem.
So the study also mentionedsomething that feels obvious,
but that may get missed as we'rescrolling through Instagram.
And that is that self care looksvery different for everyone,
(18:19):
right?
Like when you think of selfcare, like tell me you didn't
think about.
Taking a bath using expensivefacial things that are awesome
like no shade to the expensivefacial products But like right.
Yeah, we think about gettingmassages.
Lindsay (18:33):
Yeah, you think about the elaborate Most amazing thing
that you would want totally.
Yeah, and then you realize wow,just a hot bath of just water
I'm gonna scale
Jordan (18:43):
it back and say like brushing your teeth.
Yes, like All the way back.
Like, we care for ourselves inso many ways that we do not give
ourselves credit for.
Drinking water?
Lindsay (18:55):
Yes, absolutely, dude.
That's part of my, like, Iincorporate that into self care
for sure because if I don't haveenough water in the day, I'm
Jordan (19:03):
Screwed.
Yeah.
Cheers.
Yeah, cheers.
I don't want to say
Lindsay (19:06):
that about our water now.
We're drinking our water now.
Excuse us.
Ah.
Yeah.
Spring
Jordan (19:15):
water.
Most annoying sound ever.
Lindsay (19:18):
Your water comes from the The The What's that filter?
Oh, Berkey.
Oh, you have a Berkey.
Yeah.
I want a Berkey filter so bad.
She's got a Berkey on hercounter and it looks beautiful.
I've always wanted a Berkeyfilter.
Yeah, they're fun.
I need to ask one for Christmasmaybe.
Yeah.
Jordan (19:39):
Yeah.
I'm
Lindsay (19:39):
like, well, my birthday is like two days before
Christmas.
I think maybe that is the onetime I would say, please put
them together because I want thenice
Jordan (19:49):
brickey filter.
That's fair.
I've had mine for years and Ilove every minute of it.
There's like just a ritual, see,and even this is like kind of
self care.
There's like ritual and fillingit for me at the end of the
night to get, get the waterready for the next day.
Yup.
Even that is self care.
So yeah, this is kind ofsomething I'm going to just like
pop into really quick, so.
(20:10):
So yeah, I'm constantly beingtold that I need more self care
and like time in spending moneyon myself and in like space
around me You know like takingbreaks outside of the house,
which are great.
Don't get me wrong.
But as a full time working momthat's not really a part of my
Regular life right now.
That's definitely a huge treatbut I worm self care into my day
in so many different ways, youknow.
(20:30):
I get up, I brush my teeth, Ishower at night because I work
in a restaurant and if you haveworked in a restaurant then
you'll understand why I comehome and my husband tells me
that my hair smells likebolognese but luckily for me he
really likes
Lindsay (20:42):
bolognese.
Jordan (20:46):
Oh yeah.
But you know, all of thoselittle things for all the day.
I'm
Lindsay (20:49):
going to throw in like another like random funny thing.
Our resort is next to a riverthat goes down the canyon and
there have been some summernights where you just like pull
off and just jump into the icecold
Jordan (21:01):
river.
Ugh, the best.
Yeah.
So reviving.
Lindsay (21:05):
Yeah, you have to do that after a shift if you're
working on a summertime.
Go find some fresh water.
Cold water.
So
Jordan (21:12):
nice.
So nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's some good self care.
That's some
Lindsay (21:16):
good self care.
Jordan (21:20):
Okay.
Alright, so the next thing thatI I just have like five tips.
Lindsay probably has a bunch oftips too.
Lindsay (21:29):
Okay, well we're just going to throw a random number
of
Jordan (21:31):
tips at you.
Yeah, I've got five.
Um, so given, I kind of wantedto work within the constraints.
Lindsay wasn't aware of theresearch that I did on the side.
That was my responsibilitytoday.
Um, I appreciate it.
Yeah.
So, uh, I came up with fivedifferent ways that you could
practice self care if you haveno time.
If you don't have cash or, youknow, help resources, whatever,
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whatever other resources, if youdon't have access to those and
if you don't really have someonewho you can, uh, pawn your kid
off to, um, so I'll go into myfive and then Lindsay, you can
kind of rally with me and ifthere's one that relates to what
you're talking about, we'll gofor it.
So the first one is, I just hadto add the thing that I did
yesterday cause it felt so good.
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You guys, I.
I don't know how I haven't donethis before.
I used to have a really, reallystrong meditation practice and
I've always done lots of yogaand stuff, right?
Um, I don't meditate now.
I don't have time.
I just don't.
So, um, it, yesterday my bodywas so worked up, like I said,
that I just laid on my mat and Iset my timer for five minutes
(22:37):
and I did shavasana, which forthose of you who don't practice
yoga or who haven't heard ofthis, It's just basically corpse
pose, is what they call it.
So it just means laying on thefloor, being as still as you
can, and you don't have to worryabout, there's not like a
pressure in meditation wherelike, you gotta clear your mind
or whatever.
I I mean, it's great if you canclear your mind because you've
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got a thousand things runningthrough it constantly as a
parent.
Um, but for me, what I did wasjust laid there.
I kind of did a quick scan of mybody to see where I was holding
tension.
I didn't even make a judgmentabout the tension.
I just like noticed it and thenstarted focusing on my
breathing.
So I did some breathing whereyou kind of do this like a slow
inhale, but then you make aneven slower exhale.
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and it activates this part ofyour nervous system that.
it's like the kind of rest anddigest side of your nervous
system, right?
That lowers cortisol levels,lowers that feeling of anxiety
and just kind of brings you backinto your body.
Um, that's my firstrecommendation.
My second recommendation is towrite your feelings down.
(23:40):
So this isn't necessarily, Iguess this is journaling, but
it's not necessarily journaling.
When I tell myself I'm going tojournal, I'm like, no,
Lindsay (23:48):
yeah, I was going to, I'm just going to add real
briefly that reminds me of likewhat the work I do with my
therapist.
She's very into like getting iton paper and like journaling,
but like my sense of journalingis not like journaling, like
dear diary, it's three thingsI'm grateful for.
It's just words all over thepiece of paper and it's very
like unstructured.
(24:09):
Yes.
I like what you're saying.
I like, I like this direction
Jordan (24:12):
you're going.
That's exactly, yeah, that'sexactly what Lindsay said is
exactly what I was saying.
Like for me it would look like,you could get paper or you could
even just do it in, in yourphone somewhere.
Just like write down.
Um, you could even just make apoint of.
writing down three words forwhat you're feeling right now.
And you don't have to reflect onit, but if you want to, that's
great.
I mean, yeah, and that's, that'sself care.
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There's a decent body ofresearch out there that says
journaling can have huge mentalhealth benefits.
And I think something as basicas this could be more
approachable and also like stillwill have.
Some of those benefits.
Yeah.
Amazing.
So the third one is also notgoing to surprise anybody.
This one is to move your body.
(24:53):
And again, if you don't have anytime, yeah, I'm sure you do.
If you don't have any time, youagain, like there's a lot of
power in just setting a timerfor like even a really small
amount of time.
You can do this with your kid orwhile they're napping.
but yeah, go for a walk.
Ideally outside.
I know Lindsey can talk aboutfresh air in a minute.
That's so critical.
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Um, even if the weather's bad,going outside can make all the
difference.
And then, yeah, another thingyou can do if you want to move
your body, but you don't want togo for a walk or don't want to
go outside, or if you've got afussing baby, something I did a
lot when I was like having myworst days in like the sort of
six months postpartum periodwas.
We had a gnarly winter.
Yeah, we did.
We had the gnarliest
Lindsay (25:33):
winter.
Utah had phenomenal amount ofsnow that I missed out on.
I did not get to ski.
I did not get to hike.
Jordan (25:41):
I skied like twice.
Oh.
Lindsay (25:43):
Yeah, rough.
That was rough.
I'm hopeful that maybe thiswinter we get snow a little bit
like last year.
But it was, it was amazing thatall the moisture we got and
everything.
Oh, we needed it.
But it sucked that I missed outand I was in postpartum.
Jordan (25:55):
Yep.
Sometimes you gotta practiceyour JOMO, joy of missing out.
Yes.
That's a phrase that changed mylife because I was always like,
I have so much FOMO and I thinkI just really liked the word
cause now that I'm like, Oh, Igot JOMO, I'm like feeling, I'm
like vibing with that.
Love it.
Although I still would like togo skiing this year.
(26:16):
If you work at a ski resort andyou don't ski, there's like some
kind of sad about that.
That's all I gotta say.
Yeah, so, the thing that I did,scrolling way back, is I, I
would put on a song.
I love Peach Pit, it's one of myfavorite bands.
Shout out Peach Pit guys.
Yes! And I'd put on shampoobottles or some like, silly,
amazing, like, kind of, it's alittle bit, the song's like a
(26:38):
little bit of a bummer, but it'salso like, really nice.
Feels good.
Yes! And I would like, Dancearound the house and just like
listen to that one song you getbonus points in this little
category if you practice thisfor singing Oh, cool.
Yep.
Yep.
You get bonus points for singingbecause it's a way of moving
your vocal cords.
Exactly.
And you know what that does?
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What?
It tones your vagus nerve.
No way.
Yes, it tones your vagus nerve.
So the vagus nerve is a nervethat wonders throughout your
whole body, through your gut,right through your diaphragm.
Yeah, yeah, totally.
And through your vocal cords.
And when the vagus nerve istoned, it also, it also triggers
that parasympathetic nerve, thatnervous system piece that, that
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helps with the rest and digestand the kind of like calming and
the decrease in cortisol.
And it happens like immediately.
So singing is, a totally a gamechanger for a lot of people.
I've even heard, I've nevertried this, but I've even heard
that if you have a bad trip onpsychedelics, okay, you can sing
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your way out of it.
Oh my gosh.
Lindsay (27:43):
Experiment.
Someone tell me how it went forthem.
Yeah.
Jordan (27:48):
Oh, cool.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Yeah.
So that's number three.
Number four, this is going to bedivisive.
Okay.
Okay.
Ready?
I don't think it's going to bedivisive for us.
Cause you kind of already saidit in some kind of roundabout
way.
Something that I do when I'mexperiencing a lot of anxiety or
just frustration or like cabinfever or whatever.
(28:08):
If I feel like I need to justlike cleanse myself and take
Just like a wash.
I, uh, will add 30 seconds totwo minutes of very cold water
at the end of my shower.
Lindsay (28:19):
We've done this together.
We
Jordan (28:21):
haven't done this together.
Well,
Lindsay (28:22):
not like in the shower, but like you used to have a tub,
right?
We are not that close offriends.
We do not schedule our showertime during podcast time to make
sure that we got our cold water.
Our cold spell
Jordan (28:38):
of the day.
But carry on, I'd love to hearwhere this is actually going.
Lindsay (28:41):
We used to have a tub.
Jordan (28:44):
Oh yeah, our cold water plunger.
Yeah, do you still have that?
Yeah, it's like sitting in myabsolutely
Lindsay (28:50):
dilapidated backyard.
The first time I had ever donethat was with you.
Well, I mean, besides dippinginto a freezing cold river.
Which
Jordan (28:57):
yeah, still counts.
But like,
Lindsay (28:58):
but did the whole Wim
Jordan (28:59):
Hof breathing and everything.
I have a horse trough.
Yeah.
Which is ideal.
That's what she's talking about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have a horse trough and wesometimes just pop a bunch of
ice into it.
My sister works at a localrestaurant and they have an ice
machine and we go steal theirice.
Oh, there you go.
And we dump it in and we sitthere for as long as we
Lindsay (29:16):
can.
So what you're saying is Afteryour like warm shower, you turn
that water down cold.
Jordan (29:22):
Like I could, I could, I like to think that I am strong
enough in my mind to just have acold shower.
But the reality is I need somehot water on my muscles.
Lindsay (29:31):
I hear that you like, it's, you can get to that point
if like practice, you know, Ithink probably.
Yeah.
Jordan (29:37):
Yeah.
I mean, we're humans.
We could probably withstand it.
I think like we don't giveourselves credit for how strong
our minds can be, but that'spart of it.
I even did this on my workup tobeing able.
to, uh, handle the pain oflabor.
I would put the cold water onand work on like the labor
breath in the cold water in theshower.
I should have done that.
It was really cool.
I mean, I ended up having a Csection, but I went through
(29:59):
labor for like 40 somethinghours.
So, um, I think it maybe ithelped a little.
I had to have.
Yeah.
I mean, mentally, if notanything else.
Oh, I should have done that.
Yeah.
Next time.
Lindsay (30:10):
Noted for next time.
Jordan (30:11):
Yeah.
Next time.
Um, yeah.
So give it a go.
See what happens for you.
It might feel, it's really, forme, it feels really invigorating
and it does release a lot ofendorphins to be popped in that
cold water.
Yeah.
All right.
Coming in with number five.
This one, we kind of alreadytalked about it a little bit,
but I think this might be themost important one that I've
come up with.
(30:32):
And that is to.
Try and shift your perspective.
So this one might take somework, but it shouldn't take your
time And you don't need someoneto take your baby over to do it
Yeah, so things that don't feellike self care they are self
care like we said Like I make alot of I make a ton of lists I
make lists for everything andwhen I was prepping for this
episode I made a list of what mynormal day looks like and what
(30:55):
of those things I do during theday that are For myself to care
for my mental well being myphysical well being, you know
emotional spiritual well beingand the list was so It's like
every single thing that I dothroughout the day somehow comes
back to this, this ultimate,like higher intention of caring
for myself.
Lindsay (31:15):
Yeah.
And then at the end of thatlist, you're probably like, I am
doing it.
Yes.
When you're like pattingyourself down, you're like, Oh
yeah, this is great.
All of a sudden you're pattingyourself on the back and you
feel better about like movingforward for the next day.
Yes, absolutely.
Way.
Awesome.
I want to try that.
I.
Because at the top of my head asI'm thinking about my day now,
now that you mentioned you justlike kind of thought about your
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day and like wrote all thethings down.
I'm like, okay, I already, like,I'm getting up early, which is
sometimes some mornings tough todo.
Yeah.
But the first thing I'm doing inthe morning is like a yoga
stretching.
Yeah, totally.
Way
Jordan (31:49):
awesome.
Yep.
So give that a go too, causethat might help you just to
realize that while you may notbe, uh, while this version of
self care might not be totallyInstagram worthy, it is,
Lindsay (32:01):
it is what matters.
I think that's very important.
Yeah.
It's very important because Isee those messages on social
media too.
Yeah, we all do.
Jordan (32:09):
It's like, I'm like,
Lindsay (32:10):
I'm not that.
I'm not that.
I'm not that.
It's always, I'm not doing that.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.
And then all of a sudden, yeah,you change your perspective and
reflect on what your dayactually looks like and you're
like, I'm doing this and I'mdoing that.
I am, I am, I am.
That's amazing.
Jordan (32:24):
Totally, yeah.
Wow.
Made a huge difference.
So yeah.
Those are your five.
Yeah, feel free to add anythingthat's important to you.
I mean, I was going to add freshair with walking.
Yeah, yeah.
You can pop off into that one.
Yeah.
Because I think that one, forme, that one is like.
Nothing could be more important.
No,
Lindsay (32:39):
you're right.
Uh, yeah.
I just have a few that arepretty similar to until Jordan's
as well.
Fresh air is first and foremost.
Although I was, uh, I had mydaughter in December and we had
a really tough, long winter hereout West.
And, uh, Even, I went outsideand got fresh air on the
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gloomiest, snowiest day, movedmy body a little bit.
And that, that was crucial.
Though, I remember the first daydoing that and it being, like,
almost a little terrifyingbecause it was so, I was just
nervous to, like, change up myroutine.
I was in such survival mode oftaking care of myself.
I had a tough recovery,personally.
(33:22):
And also, like, exposing her to,you know, a new routine.
I was just kind of like, oh mygosh.
And
Jordan (33:28):
a new environment.
Taking a tiny kid outside in thecold, snowy days.
All
Lindsay (33:31):
the things.
I was like, what if a dog Comesout and like chases me, you
know, like, it was just likehyper, I was hyper like
attentive to like every littlething, but fresh air, I, the,
the moment I did it that firstday, I was like, this is
crucial.
I need to do this every singleday.
And Jordan was so kind.
We live two blocks from eachother and she was more than
(33:53):
willing to like, we would justline up, like I'm going for a
walk.
Can you join?
And whenever it worked out, itwas so nice.
Yeah, it was.
Wow.
That was like, yeah.
Yeah, like the simplest thingself care, fresh air.
Um, another one was fitting insolo time.
Yeah, um,
Jordan (34:11):
that's one I really
Lindsay (34:12):
suck at.
Yeah, because you're busy withyour daughter during the first
half of the day.
And you're trying to get allyour things in during that time
with
Jordan (34:21):
her.
Yeah, totally.
Before work.
And then I come home from workand I like, I have about 10
minutes to spend on my husband.
And I like, love that.
Like, we hang out and we justwatch a show and I just
decompress.
And that's also self care.
It's not solo time.
I'm going to make it a goal toget more solo time this week.
Lindsay (34:37):
Yeah.
There you go.
Yeah.
My solo time.
Right out of the gates ofpostpartum was literally a
shower.
Oh, yeah.
And that was true for prettymuch everybody.
Yeah, that was like, and it hadto be a point where I was like,
um, Oh my god, and you guysdon't know this?
serious question, I
Jordan (34:56):
have to tell everyone what it was like for you.
Because you guys don't know thisBut she's saying that that was
her solo time because this crazybitch had a family in town.
Yeah, it was Christmas Yeah, shehad her whole family in town.
Yeah, no one lives here Yeah Iguess they stayed at an Airbnb
close by but they were basicallyat her house all day every day
(35:16):
from the moment She got yeahback from the hospital for like
how long?
Lindsay (35:20):
Um, three, no, it was like about three and a half
weeks.
My mom had a shorter termbecause she has my, she has my
sister's kids that she loves tospend a little bit of the
holiday with.
Um, but my, being my in lawswere entire retired and my
sister in law, she grateful forall of our cooking and help and
everything she can work awayfrom home, but it was
(35:41):
overstimulating for me.
Oh, for sure.
Um, I didn't really have like a.
Quiet space.
I mean, if, if I was like, Hey,I'm going to nap, it was still
like, I could hear what wasgoing on in the home or doors
were shutting or kitchen stuffwas going on.
It was overstimulating for quitesome time.
And, um, my solo time wasliterally when they went to the
(36:02):
Airbnb for the night.
Um, and I finally got that like20 to 30 minute bath soak that I
needed to do.
If you know, you know, and, um,that was like it for me, but.
It was so crucial for me to havea minute and I and that's when I
had to tell my husband like yoif it's like a serious you need
(36:22):
to let me know but I need thistime solo but for me A shower
was first and foremost my solotime.
Now it's definitely changed.
I've dived into hobbies that I'mprioritizing that make me happy.
Also note that I'm, I contactnapped my child for 10 months.
10
Jordan (36:40):
months of contact naps.
10 months.
I
Lindsay (36:42):
did love it for the most part towards the end there.
She was, I mean, it's not thatlike she wasn't doing well, she,
in her crib she was doing well,but it was.
She wasn't necessarily doing thebest during the day.
She was doing great, like, inher crib at night and stuff.
Um, but I contact napped andjust nice in the rocking chair.
And she had a beautiful, like,set up.
(37:04):
Safe set up.
And, yeah, it was very safe.
I made sure, first and foremost.
And we contact napped and I gota lot done.
Like, I slept.
That was another, like, selfcare thing I took advantage of
during postpartum was rest.
I rest.
I hydrated.
I read.
I slept a lot.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, that was like kindof my solo time was towards the
(37:26):
end of that evening when I wouldshower or bathe.
Yeah.
Um, another thing I wish I haddone, which I guess I can
mention too, is scheduling yourpersonal appointments way ahead
of time.
I, all of a sudden was like,okay, I'll just get my hair
done, you know, a few monthsinto postpartum that never
arrived, that appointment neverarrived.
I never made that appointmentbecause you just never figure
(37:49):
out, I'm sure every mom dealswith something like this.
Like, when am I going to figureout the time to go?
Yeah.
And I
Jordan (37:56):
mean, so here's the thing.
I, I feel like I love whatyou're saying and I totally get
it.
And it certainly makes sense forlike, yeah, for like doctor's
appointments.
I think for me that period totell me what it was like for
you.
Cause it might've been totallydifferent for me, the period of
like preparation as I wasfinishing up my pregnancy and
like going into this of absoluteunknowns was like, like quite
(38:19):
intense.
And I don't think that I, Ithink I already had so much on
my plate that thinking aheadinto a period of time that like
felt so, Just
Lindsay (38:27):
mysterious.
That was like that.
I had that feeling when I had mydaughter.
Interesting.
But before I had her, I, Isensed that, like, I should have
made all those appointmentsbecause it would have been easy
to make all those appointmentsbefore she entered the side of
the earth.
I can see that.
But after I had her, yeah, itwas very mysterious.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Like when?
(38:47):
When it was, it's something wayup there in the sky that you
just like can't like figure outhow to make that
Jordan (38:53):
appointment.
Yeah.
So me and Lindsay are both typeA.
If you're like type A, maybeshe's like type A plus.
Yeah.
If you're type A plus, that'sprobably really good advice.
And if you plan on getting yourhair done, I do my hair about
once every four weeks.
four or four years.
Not actually.
Yeah.
Probably more like once everytwo years.
I'm very lazy.
Lindsay (39:14):
I, yeah, I am somebody that schedules like six months
at a time, if not a year now.
I
Jordan (39:23):
mean, it makes sense, doesn't it?
Especially as your kids, you gotto like plan for the season that
they're going to be a certainage and blah, blah, blah, blah.
I totally get that.
We've planned our trips like ayear in advance.
We're not taking very many.
Right.
Yeah.
Lindsay (39:36):
Which brings me to another, point of self care
saying no to extraresponsibilities.
Oh, good one.
Took good one.
I took gardening out of my life.
I'm a huge gardener.
I'd like to grow our own foodand have the bees come and do
all the wildflowers and compostand all that.
I stopped.
I'm taking a hiatus.
(39:56):
I'm still in hiatus ofgardening.
I did not have much to do withit this year.
My, I said, I told my husband,like, it's all you have at it.
I am not going to have the time.
And I barely, and I did tell himduring harvest season, he's
typically gone.
We are typically gone duringharvest, guarding harvest season
because we were hunters, but,um, he was gone this year.
(40:17):
I stayed back and I just toldhim, yo, I'm only going to do
what I can.
Jordan (40:21):
Which, as a basically a single mom during that period,
is not a lot.
Right.
Like gardening, and thencanning, and doing a lot of
stuff with a baby under one, anda dog all by
Lindsay (40:31):
yourself.
Yeah, I took, I said no to extraresponsibilities, and gardening
in my life is an extraresponsibility, but that was a
really nice way of giving myselfsome care.
Yeah, I love that.
Um, and then, I think I onlyhave like one more.
Is it, uh, the glow, yeah, uh,Oh, it's kind of like lined up
with yours.
(40:51):
Like I kept up on my vitaminsand minerals.
I got fresh air, stayedhydrated, slept a lot, ate very
well.
I feel like that's all a form ofself care stuff.
Yeah.
Like the daily stuff and justtook care of myself during the
day cause I want to feel good.
If I don't feel good physically,I'm just, Oh dude, that's true
for everybody.
Yeah.
My, I had a tough recovery andlike I mentioned earlier, and it
(41:12):
just kind of really put me inlike this weird mental space
that I just wasn't like.
getting out of.
And so I just ate really well,really healthy, kept up on my
vitamins and minerals,electrolytes, all that got fresh
air and sunlight.
Um,
Jordan (41:26):
Came out the other side.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank God.
Yeah.
Next level.
Lindsay (41:32):
Yep.
Yep.
Um, and then my other one, I wasjust going to add on to yours
too, was, um, having like aglorious routine, like just
whatever routine that you dohave in the morning or evening
or midday or whatever routineyou have for yourself.
Just make it absolutely gloriousand appreciate every single part
of it because.
Jordan (41:51):
Can you tell me how I could brush my teeth more
gloriously?
Yeah,
Lindsay (41:56):
I could if you're getting ready for bed.
Don't turn your bathroom lightsoff and turn on like a Himalayan
salt lamp or like red lighttherapy.
I'm loving this already.
Like set the mood.
Like literally make it like themost peaceful environment that
you can be in to brush yourteeth.
I would say that that's a way ofmaking.
I was
Jordan (42:16):
totally kidding and you came at me hot with that
Lindsay (42:18):
one.
I'm going to do that.
And then in the morning too,don't turn those bathroom lights
on.
Turn on your Himalayan salt lampand uh.
Just let your body wake up intothe day.
Jordan (42:26):
This is assuming you wake up before the sun like
Lindsay does.
Yes.
This is a, this is a poorassumption.
Lindsay (42:31):
Yes.
Yes.
I have a cute little like, uh,sunlight that I got, was gifted
by my sister in law.
Cause I had, like I mentionedbefore, I had my baby in the
middle of winter.
It was dark.
Gloomy, she got me a sunlightlight thing and I let you borrow
it for a little
Jordan (42:48):
period of time Because winter was so gnarly.
I was like spiraling.
Lindsay (42:51):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true And I feellike that was still even too
bright for me to start at likethat early
Jordan (42:56):
in the morning Yeah, maybe if you like turned it away
Lindsay (43:00):
so, um
Jordan (43:01):
Yeah, we can pop into I guess you do have kind of
technically one moreRecommendation and that's like
our little trending
Lindsay (43:08):
now section our trending now next
Jordan (43:10):
little piece of our podcast.
Lindsay (43:12):
Mm hmm.
Yeah, you talked about Keepingyour cortisol levels like kind
of relaxed and down earlier andthis is another fun way I've
been doing this for a whileGosh, I mean years.
I've been doing it for a reallylong time.
Yeah.
Wow.
I've been drinking the AdrenalCocktail for a really long time.
It's the first thing I have inthe morning.
(43:34):
I think I started this in 2016.
I entered the world of CrossFitin 2016.
Did you actually?
How
Jordan (43:43):
did I know this about you?
Yeah, I
Lindsay (43:45):
did.
And I loved it.
I truly did love it.
However, I was, Not necessarilydiving into, uh, the recovery
game.
As intensely as I should havebeen.
I was waking up early to go workat the hospital.
It was a stressful environmentthere.
After work, I would go to, uh,CrossFit and it was a physically
(44:08):
stressful environment there.
I would come home, eat awonderful, like, healthy meal
and not relax.
It was like, my relaxing waslike, let's go hike.
Let's go walk another 5, 000steps.
five, 10, 000 steps.
It was not necessarily because Ineeded like my outdoor time to
and I wasn't necessarily goingto bed at 9 p.
(44:29):
m.
like I should have been.
It was like concert life.
It was date life.
It was all this stuff.
So my adrenals were fried andum, I was feeling unnecessarily
like fatigue and a lot of bodyaches when I was in CrossFit and
so I just kind of tapped intoadrenal fatigue.
I had heard about it, I bought,uh, the book on Amazon called
(44:50):
Adrenal Fatigue by James L.
Wilson.
learned about it, blew my mind,and I started to figure out a
way to, lower my cortisol levelsand cortisol is a hormone that
comes from your adrenal glands.
Um, and.
Stress hormone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
And so I just kind of likereevaluate all areas of my life
where I was stressed and it waslike, wow, I'm mentally
(45:12):
stressed, emotionally and reallyphysically stressing myself.
Um, so the adrenal cocktail isgreat.
It's a, a type of drink that'smade of like a citrus.
A lot of people use orangejuice.
I personally use emergency.
Um, just to get enough, like,vitamin C in my day.
it's a mix with that of coconutwater, sea salt, is it water and
(45:34):
coconut water?
Yes.
Coconut water.
It's coconut?
No, it's, so it's, for me, Iguess it's water with the
emergency kind of packet.
Jordan (45:40):
Okay.
All right.
So you, so you like prepare theemergency or you have like some
orange juice and then you mixthat with coconut water.
Coconut water.
So like eight ounces, eightounces about?
Lindsay (45:49):
What would you say?
Uh huh.
Yeah.
Okay.
So just to clarify, the adrenalcocktail is a citrus beverage
with coconut water and sea salt.
Just those three.
Right, so it's likeelectrolytes.
Yep.
Yep.
Like a natural form of, yep.
Okay, cool.
My personal drink, um, I kind ofadd a little bit extra to it and
it's done really well for mejust playing around with recipes
(46:10):
and stuff.
Emergency, unsweetened coconutwater.
I'm not somebody that likesadded sugar, so I just make sure
the ingredients is just coconutwater.
And then Himalayan salt, I justdo a couple, like, grinds of
that and then I do a pinch, abig pinch of Celtic sea salt as
well.
Um, what's the differencebetween the salts?
So the Celtic sea salt, I think,has a few It's more, the
(46:34):
minerals are more condensed.
Oh, interesting.
Not condensed, concentrated.
Yeah, yeah.
That's my word.
I mean, it's similar.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
So I do a little bit of both.
I don't know.
Cool.
Just till I cover my bases, Iguess.
Love it.
Um, and then I do actually do alittle splash of unsweetened
aloe vera juice as well.
Oh.
That's really good for your gutlining.
Just to throw in a little extrasomething.
(46:55):
Gonna try that.
Yeah, and that's my adrenalcocktail.
I've been doing that everysingle morning since 2016.
Dang.
Every single, I, I'm so, this isso important to me that I'll
make sure that I have it evenwhen I travel.
Wow.
Um, so yeah.
It helps your adrenals, adrenalfatigue.
It's something that's trending.
You may have seen it on socialmedia.
Jordan (47:16):
Yeah.
Lindsay was surprised I hadn'tseen anything about this, but I
was actually, yeah,
Lindsay (47:22):
um, I will say in the summertime during Coke cucumber
season when I garden, I've addedlike cucumber juice to it.
Yum.
It's so good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, we have some items torecommend for our self care
podcast.
Jordan (47:34):
Yes.
Well, mine's not an item, butyes.
Mine is Tell me yours.
Well, it could've just been oneof the It could've just been
number six on my list earlier.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Um, but mine is actually just a,like, kind of a mindfulness
practice, but don't let that putyou off.
Um
Lindsay (47:53):
I won't.
Jordan (47:54):
Okay.
Uh, it's a, what is called abody scan, and it's what it
sounds like, and you may havedone it before, but Really, this
is a game changer for me in myday to day life, just making
sure I, um, stay kind of calmand keep my body tension kind of
lower.
I say kind of lower because mybody tension is like crazy.
But this helps.
So basically what you do is youjust, I'm going to go through it
(48:16):
really quick.
You can kind of follow alongwith me if you want to, but I
would recommend doing this likea little slower in your own
time, if you have any.
So just close your eyes inwhatever position you're in.
Bring your mind into your feet.
And then work your way up yourlegs.
And as you're moving your mindthrough your body, through each
(48:36):
piece of your body, you're justrelaxing them.
All the muscles in that part ofyour body, move up your legs,
your hips, your butt, yourabdomen and back, upper back,
shoulders, back down, your armsinto your fingers, your hands,
wrists, and kind of work yourmind back up through your neck.
(48:59):
Head muscles, all the muscles inyour face.
Just release all the tension.
And then you can kind of wakeback up and be like, Oh, okay,
cool.
Yeah.
I was holding a lot of tensionin this place or this place or
here.
That's my recommendation.
And you can add that to any,like any moment of the day.
I sometimes will do it when I'mdriving on the way home from
work.
If it's been a crazy day orwaiting in line for something
Lindsay (49:22):
I can do all the time.
That's really good practice.
Yeah.
It's something that's like, forme, it almost seems like really
hard to remember.
Remember to do.
Yes.
And the fact that you do thatlike in your car is like
amazing.
I almost feel like I have to belike in a yoga setting.
Like I just felt now in order todo that, like once every
Jordan (49:39):
while.
You don't, it's also a good wayto calm down if you're like in a
fight with your partner.
Oh, sure.
Lindsay (49:44):
Yeah.
Like take a
Jordan (49:45):
breath.
Yeah.
Regulate, get grounded.
That's my recommendation thisweek.
Wow, dang,
Lindsay (49:50):
how do I follow up with that?
That was so nice.
With yours, which is alsolovely.
Mine is more product based.
I have found that, something Iwent through for, through
postpartum, Um, was I, you havelike the self image of yourself,
right?
And you're transitioning intobeing a mom and it's a whole
identity thing.
(50:10):
And there were times like I, dida lot of my self care in the
bathroom and the mirrors rightthere.
And I was like, man, I'm reallyaging.
I'm tired.
I'm like darkest circles everunder my eyes, deepest lines,
darkest circles.
Will this ever go away?
And you almost kind of findyourself in that like
unfortunate negative space.
(50:30):
While you're trying to take careof yourself But there are a
couple of things that like I Didto help I did have like super
dark.
I probably saw I mean I stillhave my feel like but my my
Certain area I had dark circlesand it was just Like hard for me
(50:51):
to accept.
I know it's a part of like thewhole thing and it can be like
you can find like the The beautyof it all like you're a strong
mom, you know You can back it upwith something beautiful like
that, but I have two productsthat worked really well for me I
highly recommend them.
I'm like telling everybodythat's ever like come up to me
and talk to me about like darkcircles under eyes, you know,
(51:12):
whatever girl talk.
And, um, two of the products Ihave, I have these like firming
eye gel patches by skin Iceland.
It's the company skin Icelandand they have like these hydro
cool firming eye gel patches andyou can get them on Amazon or
Alta has them.
Um, the skin Iceland, uh,website for sure has them, but
(51:34):
like, I've tried like all thethings like, okay, I'll just
take an ice cube or I'll takelike cold cucumber slices or
whatever.
And it just like, it was hardfor me to be sitting around with
an
Jordan (51:46):
ice cube on your eyeball.
Lindsay (51:47):
Yeah.
Or like the cucumber patches,like that's impossible for me to
do.
So please just attach gelpatches to my face and I can go
about my day.
So I put those on for 10minutes.
That's like what I'm feeling.
extra tired or, um, I feel likemy dark circles are coming
through.
and then what I like to do whenI do go out and about, if I'm
wearing makeup or something, Ifound this product.
(52:10):
Called Becca, B E C C A By theSmashbox Cosmetics Company.
Jordan (52:16):
I've always loved the name Smashbox for a cosmetic
company.
Fun fact about me.
Yeah.
Lindsay (52:22):
So they have this stuff called the under eye brightening
corrector, and it's just likethis little like jar of paste
and I have it in the fair lightcolor and it's almost like a
pinkish and you just put that onlike underneath your eyes a
little bit, a little close.
So far, which is kind of nice.
I like that about a cosmeticlike if a little bit goes far
(52:42):
you've won me That's super cool.
So, those are my two productsfor the recommendation of all
things to, to talk
Jordan (52:50):
about that.
Yeah.
Go try those out, everybody.
Mm hmm.
Lindsay (52:53):
Yeah.
And that was, that was fun.
That was fun.
We have more self care episodes,I'm sure.
Oh
Jordan (52:58):
yeah.
In the future.
Yep.
Yeah.
And I'm going to get better atpracticing it for myself and
remembering the ways that I'mdoing a good job.
Yes.
Lindsay (53:06):
I'm going to do that.
I kind of like want, I'm excitedabout that little experiment.
I want to go home right now andjust like figure out all the
things I'm doing.
Yeah, you're a list person too.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Thank you for that tip.
Absolutely.
Jordan (53:19):
Thanks for uh, hanging out with us.
Yeah.
Lindsay (53:22):
This was great.
Have a good day.
We'll peace out.
We'll see you
Jordan (53:25):
next time.
See ya.
On We Have Kids.
I, uh, will add 30 seconds to two minutes of very
(00:03):
cold water at the end of myshower.
Lindsay (00:06):
We've done this together.
We
Jordan (00:08):
haven't done this together.
Well,
Lindsay (00:09):
not like in the shower, but like you used to have a tub,
right?
We are not that close offriends.
Hey, everyone.
Hi, Jordan.
Jordan (00:29):
Hey, Lindsay.
Lindsay (00:31):
What's up?
Yeah, not a lot.
Oh, gosh.
Not a lot, but a lot.
A lot.
It seems to be what we alwayssay.
Not a lot, When someone, anyoneasks me what's going on, what's
new with you.
I go blank.
There's so much going on that Idon't even know where to start,
but not much, I guess.
Jordan (00:50):
Start with, we have a new podcast.
Yes.
It's called.
Yeah.
We have kids.
We have kids.
Lindsay (00:57):
Period.
Jordan (00:58):
It's this.
It's this.
You're listening right now.
This is
Lindsay (01:01):
our newest endeavor, our newest fun hobby.
We're in Jordan's finishedbasement.
Jordan (01:07):
Ooh, finished is a little bit of a stretch.
Lindsay (01:11):
Whatever.
I have like, okay, so I live bya riverbank and I have a crawl
space that's just cemented andwe have to keep it very dry.
We run a dehumidifier down thereand so this is very finished for
me.
I love it.
Jordan (01:25):
Yeah, we don't have to dehumidify anything, which is
great for my husband becausebeing from the UK he gets very,
triggered by Dehumidifyinganything and everything.
Lindsay (01:34):
He probably loves living in Utah.
Oh my god,
Jordan (01:36):
dry air here.
He's obsessed with it Having adry towel when you get out of
the shower It's like probably
Lindsay (01:42):
It's
Jordan (01:45):
luxury
Lindsay (01:46):
Probably can't handle like any mildew smell or Like
old, wet,
Jordan (01:52):
anything.
I don't know.
Yeah.
But luckily there isn't any ofthat here.
Lindsay (01:56):
I've never been to the UK, but I feel, I sense that,
uh, from description and justfrom understanding the weather
there.
And all of our wine tastings.
Jordan and I have done a lot ofwine tastings.
So much wine in the U.
K.
So much, like, I'm just thinking
Jordan (02:12):
of old
Lindsay (02:13):
world wine.
My brain went from like, U.
K.
to like, Europe.
From rainy Europe.
Like, old.
Jordan (02:23):
Oh, that's like, that's funny.
They've got a lot of cider inthe UK.
Yeah.
Great, great beers and ciders,but not a lot of winemaking
happening.
Not in England
Lindsay (02:32):
at least.
They're missing out on everyoneelse making the wine in Europe.
Jordan (02:35):
Yeah.
It's a good spot for wine.
Yeah.
Cool.
Welcome in.
Yeah, welcome.
Hi.
Lindsay (02:42):
This is how all of our meetings go when we hang out.
It just gets very random and westart going all over the place.
Jordan (02:49):
Yeah.
This is what happens when you'rea parent and you don't get to
hang out with your friendsenough guys.
Lindsay (02:54):
No structure in conversation at all.
It's just going to go in 80different directions in less
than five minutes.
Yep.
Jordan (03:02):
Yep.
Strap in.
Lindsay (03:04):
All right.
Welcome, everyone.
We're having a new episode.
We're just moving along herewith episodes.
It's been so fun learning allthe tricks and like the
equipment and everything.
So this is going fun.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, we have a few fun ishthings to talk about today.
We're talking about a big one,self care, we do foresee more
(03:27):
episodes about self care, butright now we're going to talk
about self care in the sense ofthe first few weeks of
postpartum and how to find thatself care and what's important.
Since we've both had thatexperience, I would say recently
within the last year, I, it'sdefinitely something that will
continue to like be forced thatI have to force it on myself to
(03:49):
like self care in every day.
Oh, absolutely.
It's a struggle.
Yeah.
And when I look back, I wish Iwould have done better at, at
that, but I think I was more insurvival mode.
I would imagine you were too.
And
Jordan (03:59):
I'm still, I am still in survival mode.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm still in survival mode.
I'm recovering.
Actually, I had like quite, uh,quite an adventure yesterday.
Yeah.
So it was a wild day.
My kid had a doctor'sappointment in the morning at
like nine.
So Adrian and I got up, did ourquick breakfast routine, got out
(04:21):
the door as fast as we couldwith a one year old, which is
never the quickest experience inyour life.
If you've had it, then youunderstand.
And yeah, we got to the doctor'soffice just five minutes late.
I kind of thought that was awin.
but the doctor's office wasrunning super behind.
I think they were short staffedor I don't know what was going
on.
Um, what ended up happening waswe waited for a full hour and
(04:46):
had a restless kid and arestless husband who eventually
just Uber to work because it gotso late.
You know, long story short, bythe time we left the doctor's
office, my baby was Was nothaving a good time And,, I
thought that it would be a goodidea based on her nap schedule
(05:06):
yesterday to just do shopping,grocery shopping immediately
after the doctor's, notrealizing that it was going to
be such an ordeal and totally adisaster.
Lindsay, don't ever, don't evergo shopping after the doctor.
Lindsay (05:21):
I get what you're saying though.
'cause sometimes when you haveall those appointments and
you're running around already,you're like, let me just get the
groceries real quick.
Like, I just
Jordan (05:29):
wanna do it all right now.
Yeah.
Like can I just
Lindsay (05:30):
get it done?
Yeah.
Don't wanna like go home andthen do it later.
Oh, I get it.
But good point.
Yeah.
Jordan (05:36):
No bad idea.
So I mean, if everything wentsmoothly at the doctor, I think
that would've been one thing
Lindsay (05:41):
I was gonna say.
It probably would've gottenbetter.
Yeah.
A little.
Had you not waited so long.
Yeah.
Jordan (05:45):
Before I mean ideally she doesn't really like to get
prodded by strangers.
So that was Maybe never gonnago.
Well, anyway, and then it's Andthen it's Thanksgiving week.
So we get to Costco, she'salready fussing.
I put her in the seat the wholeway around this super, super
crazy, busy store.
Costco is the worst place to goduring a holiday week.
(06:07):
PSA for everyone.
I know we all have to go there.
We don't all have to, we get to,I know it's a privilege, but.
But good God, yeah, it can be alot.
So by the time we were leaving,she was like trying to get out
of the little car and wrigglingand screaming.
And I was about to be screamingmyself and then we had another
full grocery shop to do.
(06:29):
Yeah, it was terrible.
By the time I got home, and thenshe fell asleep in the car on
the way home, which was alwaysscary because you're like, are
they going to go back to sleep?
Oh my God, I just ruined mywhole day.
Um, but yeah, we got inside.
I was able to transfer her toher crib.
She was passed out.
She hadn't even, like, she'dmissed a meal.
I don't, she must have just beenout of sorts, but I put her
(06:50):
down.
She was too asleep to even wakeup, which I was kind of grateful
for, really.
but I was so exhausted.
I just hauled the groceries in.
I looked at them on the floor,and I thought to myself, my
nervous system is, like,sparking right now.
Like, I can't even take a fullbreath.
I can't look at these groceries.
And I had nothing to do but liedown on the floor, Lindsay.
(07:14):
I was like, I have so much todo, like, I have so much to do
during this nap, like what canI, but my brain was just not
working on my side.
So I, what I did was I set atimer for five minutes.
I laid out my yoga mat.
I put up a couple blocks andlike a pillows to make it
comfortable.
And I literally just laid on thefloor.
Groceries everywhere around me.
Lindsay (07:36):
minutes.
That is a picture that I canperfectly see in my mind of you
on the floor with the groceriestrying to like chill out because
What mom can't understand that,especially with like, when you
mentioned your nervous systemwas just like, like radiating
and like sparking.
(07:57):
Oh my gosh.
I like, I know exactly themoments that I have.
It's like bringing me up just tothink about it.
Yes.
When you said I was like,
Jordan (08:03):
Oh, I know exactly what she's talking about.
Yeah.
So in that moment, I realizedthat a good topic today, um, and
perhaps one of the most ironicthat I'm coming at you with
altogether, cause I'm so bad atthis.
Self care, like Lindsay said.
Yeah, so let's get into it.
Let's do it.
As I was kind of doing somelike, uh, you know, surface
(08:25):
level is what we're always goingto say about our research.
Yes, yeah.
But as I was doing some surfacelevel sort of research on this,
uh, what I found out was thatself care is either not
emphasized or is totallymissing, from most of the common
used, measures of maternalhealth.
Postpartum.
Um, Lindsay mentioned that we'regoing to be talking about kind
(08:46):
of the postpartum period.
I'm going to just extend thatthrough like to one year.
That's what she and I both haveexperience with.
We don't have anything furtherthan that.
Like she said, I think self careis going to change as our babies
grow and as our time commitmentschange and whatever.
But if you are a new mom, thisone's for you.
So there was a study inAustralia that I found and it
(09:07):
found it was like 200 moms thatthey were Interviewing and none,
not a single one of all 200 ofthem had resumed like a sort of
normal level of self care aftersix weeks, which is like kind of
obvious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Six weeks is none of us arenormal.
It's like a blink of an eye.
Six weeks, dude.
It's a blink of an
Lindsay (09:27):
eye.
A blink.
So much of a blink that I barelyremember.
I just remember like mysettings.
Of where I was in my house, you
Jordan (09:36):
know.
Right.
Nothing else.
No, I don't think anyoneperfectly remembers that time,
which is kind of a shame.
But yeah, if that feels fuzzy,if that memory feels fuzzy to
you, or if you're living itright now and you feel fuzzy,
that's normal.
That's totally normal.
I do want to say that if you'renot finding time for it, that's
okay.
(09:56):
Yeah, that's super okay.
Yeah, like pretty normal.
Yep.
Um, so let's get that out of theway.
So an another study Was lookingat mom's six months postpartum
and the percentage of womenthere who hadn't resumed kind of
normal self care activities andthey were talking about Super
basic things like going for awalk, having sex with your
partner, even things like layingdown.
(10:18):
The percentage that hadn'tresumed normal levels of this
was 80 percent.
And that, that sounds a littlebit more surprising.
I, it would even be shockingexcept that I've been there and
I'm not surprised at all by it.
Right.
Lindsay (10:33):
80 percent.
When I was six months, okay, mydaughter was in, it was
summertime.
And I, at that point I was stillnot feeling ready cause I was
attached to the pump.
Oh yeah.
Like, I felt like that wastaking up my like self care time
that I could have put in formyself and I just wasn't there
yet.
There's
Jordan (10:52):
definitely a need for it.
There's maybe just like, uh, Idon't know, we're all just still
transitioning into motherhoodright then, aren't we?
Yeah.
Like, no one's kind of got itdown after, so if you've got it
down after six months and youfeel like you're solid in your
self care routine.
That's incredible.
Lindsay (11:10):
Incredible.
I
Jordan (11:11):
think you're a huge
Lindsay (11:12):
minority.
Like almost super, yeah, superwoman, yeah,
Jordan (11:15):
super powers.
Definitely.
Good for you.
For the rest of us, there's awelcome to the club.
I'm still not even close.
That's, yeah, that's why we'retalking about this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, uh, just on a quick note,something that's worth.
like mentioning here is thatsimilar studies have actually
shown that while women who areexperiencing like we've this is
(11:37):
just a note on postpartumdepression if you're
experiencing postpartumdepression you're probably
caring for your infant just finemost moms who have ppd still are
able to care for their infantswithout any issue or without you
know enough of an issue thatit's like Affecting the well
being of your child, butpostpartum depression does have
an impact on a woman's abilityto care for themselves.
(12:00):
That's statistically, yeah,like, even more difficult for
women who are experiencingpostpartum depression.
Um, and postpartum depression, Idid a quick Google search.
I was like, well, how manypeople are having, having that
experience?
It's up to like 20 percent ofwomen going through postpartum
depression at some point afterthat first year.
That's
Lindsay (12:19):
a lot.
If we could eradicate somethinglike that, like, I feel like our
world would be so much like, ourpostpartum world would
Jordan (12:32):
feel so good.
Can you imagine?
Yeah.
So, back to that study.
The same study found that whilemost women expressed that the
primary importance for them wasself care, even over like caring
for their infant, there was kindof a conflicting but.
prevalent idea coming from thesemoms that selflessness is an
(12:52):
important trait in a parent.
So there's this idea that we,that we do need to look after
ourselves because obviously ourmental and physical and
emotional health is critical toour ability to parent.
Yes.
But at the same time in parallelis this like disparate idea
that, yeah, we have to beselfless.
And I think that striking thebalance between those two is.
Uh, definitely where I'mpersonally struggling and I
(13:15):
think where, uh, like a lot ofwomen could be parents because
self care is important for thedads too and for people who,
yeah, totally don't
Lindsay (13:23):
identify in that category.
Once that little being entersyour world, your, your entire
focus and attention iseverything is on them to help
them succeed physically,emotionally, uh, mentally, like
everything.
You just put so much effortinto.
That little child.
Jordan (13:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's
Lindsay (13:44):
how, yeah, that when you're doing that nonstop, of
course, it's going to be reallyhard to kind of find that
balance of finding time foryourself.
I always try to remind myselfnothing in this home is going to
thrive unless I don't take sometime for myself first.
Yeah.
Cause sometimes I'll, I'll findmyself like, okay, I'm going to
do my, do my self care likelater in the day or like mid day
(14:08):
or whatever.
But if I don't do it first andforemost at the beginning of the
day, I feel like I can succeedin my home better.
My daughter has a better parent.
a better mom, you know, myspouse has a better spouse.
Like, you know, I'm not shortwith him.
If he asked me a simplequestion, you know, I just.
That self care for me personallyhas to come at the very
(14:28):
beginning of the day.
And so I just remind myselffirst and foremost, my self care
comes first.
Yeah,
Jordan (14:35):
that's great.
It's super great that you've gotthat like in your head and in
your routine.
I think that's pretty critical.
And that actually brings me tothe next point that I was going
to make, which is perfect.
So, so finding that balance.,Can be really tricky and there
are three main things, like kindof three main, uh, obstacles or
barriers to women, to thesewomen in this study
(14:56):
specifically, um, kind offinding that space for
themselves or, you know, likeworking the self care into their
routines.
So those three barriers are Thisis going to surprise absolutely
no one time, which is like, Icould have just like shed a tear
on the mark.
That one is for me.
Limited resources.
(15:16):
Um, this could be so manythings.
Like for me, when, when I thinkabout my own limited resources,
the thing that I feel mostlimited on is cash and finances.
I know for Lindsay, maybe like,um, I was thinking about for you
and one thing that, that I havein spades around here that you
don't have is like familymembers around to help out.
Yeah.
Lindsay (15:36):
Yeah.
Um, for me, it's definitely, uh,like the time thing I can relate
to for sure.
Um, I, I, being a stay at homemom, my daughter has all of my
time.
My husband comes home and then.
It gives me a chance to stepaway for a few more minutes than
I could have when she was downfor a nap or something.
(15:59):
But I don't want to necessarilybecause I don't want to miss out
on that family bonding time.
Yeah, totally.
So then I'm like, okay, now Ineed to schedule in and figure
out when's a good time to stepaway from my spouse and my
daughter.
And that happens to be at likeanywhere between 4 in the
morning.
Jordan (16:18):
And if I had the gumption to wake up that early,
then
Lindsay (16:21):
I would do the same thing.
Yeah, it is really hard.
I am getting a little bit betterat it.
I've been going to bed earlierand earlier to like make it work
out.
Yeah.
Um, it's tough when you don'thave close family.
Um, I'm lucky in the sense thatmy, uh, in laws are both retired
and they do visit quite often.
So we take full, I do take fulladvantage.
(16:43):
It's a win win.
They absolutely love the time.
And they're like, go, go do yourthing.
Go do whatever you need to do.
Get your errands run that aretough to do with your daughter
or whatever.
Um, but.
Yeah, 430 it is.
Yeah, and I
Jordan (16:57):
mean you're saying you have that help, and you do, but
I think they come like a fewtimes a year, whereas for me
I've got like a sister who liveswith us who loves spending time
with my kid as much as I do.
As anything else, so
Lindsay (17:09):
as much as I could be jealous of you, I'm so happy for
you that you have that becauseyour daughter thrives on that
too.
Oh, she loves it.
I almost feel like when I havemore people in my home that are
staying like visitors, mydaughter thrives and like almost
meets her.
Milestones quicker.
Yeah, sooner.
Yeah.
(17:29):
So I think that's somethingreally cool that like if they
have more people and moreinteraction in their
home
Jordan (17:34):
with getting more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm so happy that you have that.
Yeah, it's it has been.
Yeah, she's so great.
Shout out.
Um, so the third thing justwinding it back into the
barriers, the three mainbarriers to self care.
the third thing is struggling toask for or accept help and
(17:54):
boundary setting.
so this could be, look likemaybe a lack of trust around
whether another person, evenyour partner maybe, um, cannot
care for your child in the waythat you.
I feel comfortable caring forthem.
So the study also mentionedsomething that feels obvious,
but that may get missed as we'rescrolling through Instagram.
And that is that self care looksvery different for everyone,
(18:19):
right?
Like when you think of selfcare, like tell me you didn't
think about.
Taking a bath using expensivefacial things that are awesome
like no shade to the expensivefacial products But like right.
Yeah, we think about gettingmassages.
Lindsay (18:33):
Yeah, you think about the elaborate Most amazing thing
that you would want totally.
Yeah, and then you realize wow,just a hot bath of just water
I'm gonna scale
Jordan (18:43):
it back and say like brushing your teeth.
Yes, like All the way back.
Like, we care for ourselves inso many ways that we do not give
ourselves credit for.
Drinking water?
Lindsay (18:55):
Yes, absolutely, dude.
That's part of my, like, Iincorporate that into self care
for sure because if I don't haveenough water in the day, I'm
Jordan (19:03):
Screwed.
Yeah.
Cheers.
Yeah, cheers.
I don't want to say
Lindsay (19:06):
that about our water now.
We're drinking our water now.
Excuse us.
Ah.
Yeah.
Spring
Jordan (19:15):
water.
Most annoying sound ever.
Lindsay (19:18):
Your water comes from the The The What's that filter?
Oh, Berkey.
Oh, you have a Berkey.
Yeah.
I want a Berkey filter so bad.
She's got a Berkey on hercounter and it looks beautiful.
I've always wanted a Berkeyfilter.
Yeah, they're fun.
I need to ask one for Christmasmaybe.
Yeah.
Jordan (19:39):
Yeah.
I'm
Lindsay (19:39):
like, well, my birthday is like two days before
Christmas.
I think maybe that is the onetime I would say, please put
them together because I want thenice
Jordan (19:49):
brickey filter.
That's fair.
I've had mine for years and Ilove every minute of it.
There's like just a ritual, see,and even this is like kind of
self care.
There's like ritual and fillingit for me at the end of the
night to get, get the waterready for the next day.
Yup.
Even that is self care.
So yeah, this is kind ofsomething I'm going to just like
pop into really quick, so.
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So yeah, I'm constantly beingtold that I need more self care
and like time in spending moneyon myself and in like space
around me You know like takingbreaks outside of the house,
which are great.
Don't get me wrong.
But as a full time working momthat's not really a part of my
Regular life right now.
That's definitely a huge treatbut I worm self care into my day
in so many different ways, youknow.
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I get up, I brush my teeth, Ishower at night because I work
in a restaurant and if you haveworked in a restaurant then
you'll understand why I comehome and my husband tells me
that my hair smells likebolognese but luckily for me he
really likes
Lindsay (20:42):
bolognese.
Jordan (20:46):
Oh yeah.
But you know, all of thoselittle things for all the day.
I'm
Lindsay (20:49):
going to throw in like another like random funny thing.
Our resort is next to a riverthat goes down the canyon and
there have been some summernights where you just like pull
off and just jump into the icecold
Jordan (21:01):
river.
Ugh, the best.
Yeah.
So reviving.
Lindsay (21:05):
Yeah, you have to do that after a shift if you're
working on a summertime.
Go find some fresh water.
Cold water.
So
Jordan (21:12):
nice.
So nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's some good self care.
That's some
Lindsay (21:16):
good self care.
Jordan (21:20):
Okay.
Alright, so the next thing thatI I just have like five tips.
Lindsay probably has a bunch oftips too.
Lindsay (21:29):
Okay, well we're just going to throw a random number
of
Jordan (21:31):
tips at you.
Yeah, I've got five.
Um, so given, I kind of wantedto work within the constraints.
Lindsay wasn't aware of theresearch that I did on the side.
That was my responsibilitytoday.
Um, I appreciate it.
Yeah.
So, uh, I came up with fivedifferent ways that you could
practice self care if you haveno time.
If you don't have cash or, youknow, help resources, whatever,
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whatever other resources, if youdon't have access to those and
if you don't really have someonewho you can, uh, pawn your kid
off to, um, so I'll go into myfive and then Lindsay, you can
kind of rally with me and ifthere's one that relates to what
you're talking about, we'll gofor it.
So the first one is, I just hadto add the thing that I did
yesterday cause it felt so good.
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You guys, I.
I don't know how I haven't donethis before.
I used to have a really, reallystrong meditation practice and
I've always done lots of yogaand stuff, right?
Um, I don't meditate now.
I don't have time.
I just don't.
So, um, it, yesterday my bodywas so worked up, like I said,
that I just laid on my mat and Iset my timer for five minutes
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and I did shavasana, which forthose of you who don't practice
yoga or who haven't heard ofthis, It's just basically corpse
pose, is what they call it.
So it just means laying on thefloor, being as still as you
can, and you don't have to worryabout, there's not like a
pressure in meditation wherelike, you gotta clear your mind
or whatever.
I I mean, it's great if you canclear your mind because you've
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got a thousand things runningthrough it constantly as a
parent.
Um, but for me, what I did wasjust laid there.
I kind of did a quick scan of mybody to see where I was holding
tension.
I didn't even make a judgmentabout the tension.
I just like noticed it and thenstarted focusing on my
breathing.
So I did some breathing whereyou kind of do this like a slow
inhale, but then you make aneven slower exhale.
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and it activates this part ofyour nervous system that.
it's like the kind of rest anddigest side of your nervous
system, right?
That lowers cortisol levels,lowers that feeling of anxiety
and just kind of brings you backinto your body.
Um, that's my firstrecommendation.
My second recommendation is towrite your feelings down.
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So this isn't necessarily, Iguess this is journaling, but
it's not necessarily journaling.
When I tell myself I'm going tojournal, I'm like, no,
Lindsay (23:48):
yeah, I was going to, I'm just going to add real
briefly that reminds me of likewhat the work I do with my
therapist.
She's very into like getting iton paper and like journaling,
but like my sense of journalingis not like journaling, like
dear diary, it's three thingsI'm grateful for.
It's just words all over thepiece of paper and it's very
like unstructured.
(24:09):
Yes.
I like what you're saying.
I like, I like this direction
Jordan (24:12):
you're going.
That's exactly, yeah, that'sexactly what Lindsay said is
exactly what I was saying.
Like for me it would look like,you could get paper or you could
even just do it in, in yourphone somewhere.
Just like write down.
Um, you could even just make apoint of.
writing down three words forwhat you're feeling right now.
And you don't have to reflect onit, but if you want to, that's
great.
I mean, yeah, and that's, that'sself care.
(24:32):
There's a decent body ofresearch out there that says
journaling can have huge mentalhealth benefits.
And I think something as basicas this could be more
approachable and also like stillwill have.
Some of those benefits.
Yeah.
Amazing.
So the third one is also notgoing to surprise anybody.
This one is to move your body.
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And again, if you don't have anytime, yeah, I'm sure you do.
If you don't have any time, youagain, like there's a lot of
power in just setting a timerfor like even a really small
amount of time.
You can do this with your kid orwhile they're napping.
but yeah, go for a walk.
Ideally outside.
I know Lindsey can talk aboutfresh air in a minute.
That's so critical.
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Um, even if the weather's bad,going outside can make all the
difference.
And then, yeah, another thingyou can do if you want to move
your body, but you don't want togo for a walk or don't want to
go outside, or if you've got afussing baby, something I did a
lot when I was like having myworst days in like the sort of
six months postpartum periodwas.
We had a gnarly winter.
Yeah, we did.
We had the gnarliest
Lindsay (25:33):
winter.
Utah had phenomenal amount ofsnow that I missed out on.
I did not get to ski.
I did not get to hike.
Jordan (25:41):
I skied like twice.
Oh.
Lindsay (25:43):
Yeah, rough.
That was rough.
I'm hopeful that maybe thiswinter we get snow a little bit
like last year.
But it was, it was amazing thatall the moisture we got and
everything.
Oh, we needed it.
But it sucked that I missed outand I was in postpartum.
Jordan (25:55):
Yep.
Sometimes you gotta practiceyour JOMO, joy of missing out.
Yes.
That's a phrase that changed mylife because I was always like,
I have so much FOMO and I thinkI just really liked the word
cause now that I'm like, Oh, Igot JOMO, I'm like feeling, I'm
like vibing with that.
Love it.
Although I still would like togo skiing this year.
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If you work at a ski resort andyou don't ski, there's like some
kind of sad about that.
That's all I gotta say.
Yeah, so, the thing that I did,scrolling way back, is I, I
would put on a song.
I love Peach Pit, it's one of myfavorite bands.
Shout out Peach Pit guys.
Yes! And I'd put on shampoobottles or some like, silly,
amazing, like, kind of, it's alittle bit, the song's like a
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little bit of a bummer, but it'salso like, really nice.
Feels good.
Yes! And I would like, Dancearound the house and just like
listen to that one song you getbonus points in this little
category if you practice thisfor singing Oh, cool.
Yep.
Yep.
You get bonus points for singingbecause it's a way of moving
your vocal cords.
Exactly.
And you know what that does?
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What?
It tones your vagus nerve.
No way.
Yes, it tones your vagus nerve.
So the vagus nerve is a nervethat wonders throughout your
whole body, through your gut,right through your diaphragm.
Yeah, yeah, totally.
And through your vocal cords.
And when the vagus nerve istoned, it also, it also triggers
that parasympathetic nerve, thatnervous system piece that, that
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helps with the rest and digestand the kind of like calming and
the decrease in cortisol.
And it happens like immediately.
So singing is, a totally a gamechanger for a lot of people.
I've even heard, I've nevertried this, but I've even heard
that if you have a bad trip onpsychedelics, okay, you can sing
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your way out of it.
Oh my gosh.
Lindsay (27:43):
Experiment.
Someone tell me how it went forthem.
Yeah.
Jordan (27:48):
Oh, cool.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Yeah.
So that's number three.
Number four, this is going to bedivisive.
Okay.
Okay.
Ready?
I don't think it's going to bedivisive for us.
Cause you kind of already saidit in some kind of roundabout
way.
Something that I do when I'mexperiencing a lot of anxiety or
just frustration or like cabinfever or whatever.
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If I feel like I need to justlike cleanse myself and take
Just like a wash.
I, uh, will add 30 seconds totwo minutes of very cold water
at the end of my shower.
Lindsay (28:19):
We've done this together.
We
Jordan (28:21):
haven't done this together.
Well,
Lindsay (28:22):
not like in the shower, but like you used to have a tub,
right?
We are not that close offriends.
We do not schedule our showertime during podcast time to make
sure that we got our cold water.
Our cold spell
Jordan (28:38):
of the day.
But carry on, I'd love to hearwhere this is actually going.
Lindsay (28:41):
We used to have a tub.
Jordan (28:44):
Oh yeah, our cold water plunger.
Yeah, do you still have that?
Yeah, it's like sitting in myabsolutely
Lindsay (28:50):
dilapidated backyard.
The first time I had ever donethat was with you.
Well, I mean, besides dippinginto a freezing cold river.
Which
Jordan (28:57):
yeah, still counts.
But like,
Lindsay (28:58):
but did the whole Wim
Jordan (28:59):
Hof breathing and everything.
I have a horse trough.
Yeah.
Which is ideal.
That's what she's talking about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have a horse trough and wesometimes just pop a bunch of
ice into it.
My sister works at a localrestaurant and they have an ice
machine and we go steal theirice.
Oh, there you go.
And we dump it in and we sitthere for as long as we
Lindsay (29:16):
can.
So what you're saying is Afteryour like warm shower, you turn
that water down cold.
Jordan (29:22):
Like I could, I could, I like to think that I am strong
enough in my mind to just have acold shower.
But the reality is I need somehot water on my muscles.
Lindsay (29:31):
I hear that you like, it's, you can get to that point
if like practice, you know, Ithink probably.
Yeah.
Jordan (29:37):
Yeah.
I mean, we're humans.
We could probably withstand it.
I think like we don't giveourselves credit for how strong
our minds can be, but that'spart of it.
I even did this on my workup tobeing able.
to, uh, handle the pain oflabor.
I would put the cold water onand work on like the labor
breath in the cold water in theshower.
I should have done that.
It was really cool.
I mean, I ended up having a Csection, but I went through
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labor for like 40 somethinghours.
So, um, I think it maybe ithelped a little.
I had to have.
Yeah.
I mean, mentally, if notanything else.
Oh, I should have done that.
Yeah.
Next time.
Lindsay (30:10):
Noted for next time.
Jordan (30:11):
Yeah.
Next time.
Um, yeah.
So give it a go.
See what happens for you.
It might feel, it's really, forme, it feels really invigorating
and it does release a lot ofendorphins to be popped in that
cold water.
Yeah.
All right.
Coming in with number five.
This one, we kind of alreadytalked about it a little bit,
but I think this might be themost important one that I've
come up with.
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And that is to.
Try and shift your perspective.
So this one might take somework, but it shouldn't take your
time And you don't need someoneto take your baby over to do it
Yeah, so things that don't feellike self care they are self
care like we said Like I make alot of I make a ton of lists I
make lists for everything andwhen I was prepping for this
episode I made a list of what mynormal day looks like and what
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of those things I do during theday that are For myself to care
for my mental well being myphysical well being, you know
emotional spiritual well beingand the list was so It's like
every single thing that I dothroughout the day somehow comes
back to this, this ultimate,like higher intention of caring
for myself.
Lindsay (31:15):
Yeah.
And then at the end of thatlist, you're probably like, I am
doing it.
Yes.
When you're like pattingyourself down, you're like, Oh
yeah, this is great.
All of a sudden you're pattingyourself on the back and you
feel better about like movingforward for the next day.
Yes, absolutely.
Way.
Awesome.
I want to try that.
I.
Because at the top of my head asI'm thinking about my day now,
now that you mentioned you justlike kind of thought about your
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day and like wrote all thethings down.
I'm like, okay, I already, like,I'm getting up early, which is
sometimes some mornings tough todo.
Yeah.
But the first thing I'm doing inthe morning is like a yoga
stretching.
Yeah, totally.
Way
Jordan (31:49):
awesome.
Yep.
So give that a go too, causethat might help you just to
realize that while you may notbe, uh, while this version of
self care might not be totallyInstagram worthy, it is,
Lindsay (32:01):
it is what matters.
I think that's very important.
Yeah.
It's very important because Isee those messages on social
media too.
Yeah, we all do.
Jordan (32:09):
It's like, I'm like,
Lindsay (32:10):
I'm not that.
I'm not that.
I'm not that.
It's always, I'm not doing that.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.
And then all of a sudden, yeah,you change your perspective and
reflect on what your dayactually looks like and you're
like, I'm doing this and I'mdoing that.
I am, I am, I am.
That's amazing.
Jordan (32:24):
Totally, yeah.
Wow.
Made a huge difference.
So yeah.
Those are your five.
Yeah, feel free to add anythingthat's important to you.
I mean, I was going to add freshair with walking.
Yeah, yeah.
You can pop off into that one.
Yeah.
Because I think that one, forme, that one is like.
Nothing could be more important.
No,
Lindsay (32:39):
you're right.
Uh, yeah.
I just have a few that arepretty similar to until Jordan's
as well.
Fresh air is first and foremost.
Although I was, uh, I had mydaughter in December and we had
a really tough, long winter hereout West.
And, uh, Even, I went outsideand got fresh air on the
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gloomiest, snowiest day, movedmy body a little bit.
And that, that was crucial.
Though, I remember the first daydoing that and it being, like,
almost a little terrifyingbecause it was so, I was just
nervous to, like, change up myroutine.
I was in such survival mode oftaking care of myself.
I had a tough recovery,personally.
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And also, like, exposing her to,you know, a new routine.
I was just kind of like, oh mygosh.
And
Jordan (33:28):
a new environment.
Taking a tiny kid outside in thecold, snowy days.
All
Lindsay (33:31):
the things.
I was like, what if a dog Comesout and like chases me, you
know, like, it was just likehyper, I was hyper like
attentive to like every littlething, but fresh air, I, the,
the moment I did it that firstday, I was like, this is
crucial.
I need to do this every singleday.
And Jordan was so kind.
We live two blocks from eachother and she was more than
(33:53):
willing to like, we would justline up, like I'm going for a
walk.
Can you join?
And whenever it worked out, itwas so nice.
Yeah, it was.
Wow.
That was like, yeah.
Yeah, like the simplest thingself care, fresh air.
Um, another one was fitting insolo time.
Yeah, um,
Jordan (34:11):
that's one I really
Lindsay (34:12):
suck at.
Yeah, because you're busy withyour daughter during the first
half of the day.
And you're trying to get allyour things in during that time
with
Jordan (34:21):
her.
Yeah, totally.
Before work.
And then I come home from workand I like, I have about 10
minutes to spend on my husband.
And I like, love that.
Like, we hang out and we justwatch a show and I just
decompress.
And that's also self care.
It's not solo time.
I'm going to make it a goal toget more solo time this week.
Lindsay (34:37):
Yeah.
There you go.
Yeah.
My solo time.
Right out of the gates ofpostpartum was literally a
shower.
Oh, yeah.
And that was true for prettymuch everybody.
Yeah, that was like, and it hadto be a point where I was like,
um, Oh my god, and you guysdon't know this?
serious question, I
Jordan (34:56):
have to tell everyone what it was like for you.
Because you guys don't know thisBut she's saying that that was
her solo time because this crazybitch had a family in town.
Yeah, it was Christmas Yeah, shehad her whole family in town.
Yeah, no one lives here Yeah Iguess they stayed at an Airbnb
close by but they were basicallyat her house all day every day
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from the moment She got yeahback from the hospital for like
how long?
Lindsay (35:20):
Um, three, no, it was like about three and a half
weeks.
My mom had a shorter termbecause she has my, she has my
sister's kids that she loves tospend a little bit of the
holiday with.
Um, but my, being my in lawswere entire retired and my
sister in law, she grateful forall of our cooking and help and
everything she can work awayfrom home, but it was
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overstimulating for me.
Oh, for sure.
Um, I didn't really have like a.
Quiet space.
I mean, if, if I was like, Hey,I'm going to nap, it was still
like, I could hear what wasgoing on in the home or doors
were shutting or kitchen stuffwas going on.
It was overstimulating for quitesome time.
And, um, my solo time wasliterally when they went to the
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Airbnb for the night.
Um, and I finally got that like20 to 30 minute bath soak that I
needed to do.
If you know, you know, and, um,that was like it for me, but.
It was so crucial for me to havea minute and I and that's when I
had to tell my husband like yoif it's like a serious you need
(36:22):
to let me know but I need thistime solo but for me A shower
was first and foremost my solotime.
Now it's definitely changed.
I've dived into hobbies that I'mprioritizing that make me happy.
Also note that I'm, I contactnapped my child for 10 months.
10
Jordan (36:40):
months of contact naps.
10 months.
I
Lindsay (36:42):
did love it for the most part towards the end there.
She was, I mean, it's not thatlike she wasn't doing well, she,
in her crib she was doing well,but it was.
She wasn't necessarily doing thebest during the day.
She was doing great, like, inher crib at night and stuff.
Um, but I contact napped andjust nice in the rocking chair.
And she had a beautiful, like,set up.
(37:04):
Safe set up.
And, yeah, it was very safe.
I made sure, first and foremost.
And we contact napped and I gota lot done.
Like, I slept.
That was another, like, selfcare thing I took advantage of
during postpartum was rest.
I rest.
I hydrated.
I read.
I slept a lot.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, that was like kindof my solo time was towards the
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end of that evening when I wouldshower or bathe.
Yeah.
Um, another thing I wish I haddone, which I guess I can
mention too, is scheduling yourpersonal appointments way ahead
of time.
I, all of a sudden was like,okay, I'll just get my hair
done, you know, a few monthsinto postpartum that never
arrived, that appointment neverarrived.
I never made that appointmentbecause you just never figure
(37:49):
out, I'm sure every mom dealswith something like this.
Like, when am I going to figureout the time to go?
Yeah.
And I
Jordan (37:56):
mean, so here's the thing.
I, I feel like I love whatyou're saying and I totally get
it.
And it certainly makes sense forlike, yeah, for like doctor's
appointments.
I think for me that period totell me what it was like for
you.
Cause it might've been totallydifferent for me, the period of
like preparation as I wasfinishing up my pregnancy and
like going into this of absoluteunknowns was like, like quite
(38:19):
intense.
And I don't think that I, Ithink I already had so much on
my plate that thinking aheadinto a period of time that like
felt so, Just
Lindsay (38:27):
mysterious.
That was like that.
I had that feeling when I had mydaughter.
Interesting.
But before I had her, I, Isensed that, like, I should have
made all those appointmentsbecause it would have been easy
to make all those appointmentsbefore she entered the side of
the earth.
I can see that.
But after I had her, yeah, itwas very mysterious.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Like when?
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When it was, it's something wayup there in the sky that you
just like can't like figure outhow to make that
Jordan (38:53):
appointment.
Yeah.
So me and Lindsay are both typeA.
If you're like type A, maybeshe's like type A plus.
Yeah.
If you're type A plus, that'sprobably really good advice.
And if you plan on getting yourhair done, I do my hair about
once every four weeks.
four or four years.
Not actually.
Yeah.
Probably more like once everytwo years.
I'm very lazy.
Lindsay (39:14):
I, yeah, I am somebody that schedules like six months
at a time, if not a year now.
I
Jordan (39:23):
mean, it makes sense, doesn't it?
Especially as your kids, you gotto like plan for the season that
they're going to be a certainage and blah, blah, blah, blah.
I totally get that.
We've planned our trips like ayear in advance.
We're not taking very many.
Right.
Yeah.
Lindsay (39:36):
Which brings me to another, point of self care
saying no to extraresponsibilities.
Oh, good one.
Took good one.
I took gardening out of my life.
I'm a huge gardener.
I'd like to grow our own foodand have the bees come and do
all the wildflowers and compostand all that.
I stopped.
I'm taking a hiatus.
(39:56):
I'm still in hiatus ofgardening.
I did not have much to do withit this year.
My, I said, I told my husband,like, it's all you have at it.
I am not going to have the time.
And I barely, and I did tell himduring harvest season, he's
typically gone.
We are typically gone duringharvest, guarding harvest season
because we were hunters, but,um, he was gone this year.
(40:17):
I stayed back and I just toldhim, yo, I'm only going to do
what I can.
Jordan (40:21):
Which, as a basically a single mom during that period,
is not a lot.
Right.
Like gardening, and thencanning, and doing a lot of
stuff with a baby under one, anda dog all by
Lindsay (40:31):
yourself.
Yeah, I took, I said no to extraresponsibilities, and gardening
in my life is an extraresponsibility, but that was a
really nice way of giving myselfsome care.
Yeah, I love that.
Um, and then, I think I onlyhave like one more.
Is it, uh, the glow, yeah, uh,Oh, it's kind of like lined up
with yours.
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Like I kept up on my vitaminsand minerals.
I got fresh air, stayedhydrated, slept a lot, ate very
well.
I feel like that's all a form ofself care stuff.
Yeah.
Like the daily stuff and justtook care of myself during the
day cause I want to feel good.
If I don't feel good physically,I'm just, Oh dude, that's true
for everybody.
Yeah.
My, I had a tough recovery andlike I mentioned earlier, and it
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just kind of really put me inlike this weird mental space
that I just wasn't like.
getting out of.
And so I just ate really well,really healthy, kept up on my
vitamins and minerals,electrolytes, all that got fresh
air and sunlight.
Um,
Jordan (41:26):
Came out the other side.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank God.
Yeah.
Next level.
Lindsay (41:32):
Yep.
Yep.
Um, and then my other one, I wasjust going to add on to yours
too, was, um, having like aglorious routine, like just
whatever routine that you dohave in the morning or evening
or midday or whatever routineyou have for yourself.
Just make it absolutely gloriousand appreciate every single part
of it because.
Jordan (41:51):
Can you tell me how I could brush my teeth more
gloriously?
Yeah,
Lindsay (41:56):
I could if you're getting ready for bed.
Don't turn your bathroom lightsoff and turn on like a Himalayan
salt lamp or like red lighttherapy.
I'm loving this already.
Like set the mood.
Like literally make it like themost peaceful environment that
you can be in to brush yourteeth.
I would say that that's a way ofmaking.
I was
Jordan (42:16):
totally kidding and you came at me hot with that
Lindsay (42:18):
one.
I'm going to do that.
And then in the morning too,don't turn those bathroom lights
on.
Turn on your Himalayan salt lampand uh.
Just let your body wake up intothe day.
Jordan (42:26):
This is assuming you wake up before the sun like
Lindsay does.
Yes.
This is a, this is a poorassumption.
Lindsay (42:31):
Yes.
Yes.
I have a cute little like, uh,sunlight that I got, was gifted
by my sister in law.
Cause I had, like I mentionedbefore, I had my baby in the
middle of winter.
It was dark.
Gloomy, she got me a sunlightlight thing and I let you borrow
it for a little
Jordan (42:48):
period of time Because winter was so gnarly.
I was like spiraling.
Lindsay (42:51):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true And I feellike that was still even too
bright for me to start at likethat early
Jordan (42:56):
in the morning Yeah, maybe if you like turned it away
Lindsay (43:00):
so, um
Jordan (43:01):
Yeah, we can pop into I guess you do have kind of
technically one moreRecommendation and that's like
our little trending
Lindsay (43:08):
now section our trending now next
Jordan (43:10):
little piece of our podcast.
Lindsay (43:12):
Mm hmm.
Yeah, you talked about Keepingyour cortisol levels like kind
of relaxed and down earlier andthis is another fun way I've
been doing this for a whileGosh, I mean years.
I've been doing it for a reallylong time.
Yeah.
Wow.
I've been drinking the AdrenalCocktail for a really long time.
It's the first thing I have inthe morning.
(43:34):
I think I started this in 2016.
I entered the world of CrossFitin 2016.
Did you actually?
How
Jordan (43:43):
did I know this about you?
Yeah, I
Lindsay (43:45):
did.
And I loved it.
I truly did love it.
However, I was, Not necessarilydiving into, uh, the recovery
game.
As intensely as I should havebeen.
I was waking up early to go workat the hospital.
It was a stressful environmentthere.
After work, I would go to, uh,CrossFit and it was a physically
(44:08):
stressful environment there.
I would come home, eat awonderful, like, healthy meal
and not relax.
It was like, my relaxing waslike, let's go hike.
Let's go walk another 5, 000steps.
five, 10, 000 steps.
It was not necessarily because Ineeded like my outdoor time to
and I wasn't necessarily goingto bed at 9 p.
(44:29):
m.
like I should have been.
It was like concert life.
It was date life.
It was all this stuff.
So my adrenals were fried andum, I was feeling unnecessarily
like fatigue and a lot of bodyaches when I was in CrossFit and
so I just kind of tapped intoadrenal fatigue.
I had heard about it, I bought,uh, the book on Amazon called
(44:50):
Adrenal Fatigue by James L.
Wilson.
learned about it, blew my mind,and I started to figure out a
way to, lower my cortisol levelsand cortisol is a hormone that
comes from your adrenal glands.
Um, and.
Stress hormone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
And so I just kind of likereevaluate all areas of my life
where I was stressed and it waslike, wow, I'm mentally
(45:12):
stressed, emotionally and reallyphysically stressing myself.
Um, so the adrenal cocktail isgreat.
It's a, a type of drink that'smade of like a citrus.
A lot of people use orangejuice.
I personally use emergency.
Um, just to get enough, like,vitamin C in my day.
it's a mix with that of coconutwater, sea salt, is it water and
(45:34):
coconut water?
Yes.
Coconut water.
It's coconut?
No, it's, so it's, for me, Iguess it's water with the
emergency kind of packet.
Jordan (45:40):
Okay.
All right.
So you, so you like prepare theemergency or you have like some
orange juice and then you mixthat with coconut water.
Coconut water.
So like eight ounces, eightounces about?
Lindsay (45:49):
What would you say?
Uh huh.
Yeah.
Okay.
So just to clarify, the adrenalcocktail is a citrus beverage
with coconut water and sea salt.
Just those three.
Right, so it's likeelectrolytes.
Yep.
Yep.
Like a natural form of, yep.
Okay, cool.
My personal drink, um, I kind ofadd a little bit extra to it and
it's done really well for mejust playing around with recipes
(46:10):
and stuff.
Emergency, unsweetened coconutwater.
I'm not somebody that likesadded sugar, so I just make sure
the ingredients is just coconutwater.
And then Himalayan salt, I justdo a couple, like, grinds of
that and then I do a pinch, abig pinch of Celtic sea salt as
well.
Um, what's the differencebetween the salts?
So the Celtic sea salt, I think,has a few It's more, the
(46:34):
minerals are more condensed.
Oh, interesting.
Not condensed, concentrated.
Yeah, yeah.
That's my word.
I mean, it's similar.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
So I do a little bit of both.
I don't know.
Cool.
Just till I cover my bases, Iguess.
Love it.
Um, and then I do actually do alittle splash of unsweetened
aloe vera juice as well.
Oh.
That's really good for your gutlining.
Just to throw in a little extrasomething.
(46:55):
Gonna try that.
Yeah, and that's my adrenalcocktail.
I've been doing that everysingle morning since 2016.
Dang.
Every single, I, I'm so, this isso important to me that I'll
make sure that I have it evenwhen I travel.
Wow.
Um, so yeah.
It helps your adrenals, adrenalfatigue.
It's something that's trending.
You may have seen it on socialmedia.
Jordan (47:16):
Yeah.
Lindsay was surprised I hadn'tseen anything about this, but I
was actually, yeah,
Lindsay (47:22):
um, I will say in the summertime during Coke cucumber
season when I garden, I've addedlike cucumber juice to it.
Yum.
It's so good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, we have some items torecommend for our self care
podcast.
Jordan (47:34):
Yes.
Well, mine's not an item, butyes.
Mine is Tell me yours.
Well, it could've just been oneof the It could've just been
number six on my list earlier.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Um, but mine is actually just a,like, kind of a mindfulness
practice, but don't let that putyou off.
Um
Lindsay (47:53):
I won't.
Jordan (47:54):
Okay.
Uh, it's a, what is called abody scan, and it's what it
sounds like, and you may havedone it before, but Really, this
is a game changer for me in myday to day life, just making
sure I, um, stay kind of calmand keep my body tension kind of
lower.
I say kind of lower because mybody tension is like crazy.
But this helps.
So basically what you do is youjust, I'm going to go through it
(48:16):
really quick.
You can kind of follow alongwith me if you want to, but I
would recommend doing this likea little slower in your own
time, if you have any.
So just close your eyes inwhatever position you're in.
Bring your mind into your feet.
And then work your way up yourlegs.
And as you're moving your mindthrough your body, through each
(48:36):
piece of your body, you're justrelaxing them.
All the muscles in that part ofyour body, move up your legs,
your hips, your butt, yourabdomen and back, upper back,
shoulders, back down, your armsinto your fingers, your hands,
wrists, and kind of work yourmind back up through your neck.
(48:59):
Head muscles, all the muscles inyour face.
Just release all the tension.
And then you can kind of wakeback up and be like, Oh, okay,
cool.
Yeah.
I was holding a lot of tensionin this place or this place or
here.
That's my recommendation.
And you can add that to any,like any moment of the day.
I sometimes will do it when I'mdriving on the way home from
work.
If it's been a crazy day orwaiting in line for something
Lindsay (49:22):
I can do all the time.
That's really good practice.
Yeah.
It's something that's like, forme, it almost seems like really
hard to remember.
Remember to do.
Yes.
And the fact that you do thatlike in your car is like
amazing.
I almost feel like I have to belike in a yoga setting.
Like I just felt now in order todo that, like once every
Jordan (49:39):
while.
You don't, it's also a good wayto calm down if you're like in a
fight with your partner.
Oh, sure.
Lindsay (49:44):
Yeah.
Like take a
Jordan (49:45):
breath.
Yeah.
Regulate, get grounded.
That's my recommendation thisweek.
Wow, dang,
Lindsay (49:50):
how do I follow up with that?
That was so nice.
With yours, which is alsolovely.
Mine is more product based.
I have found that, something Iwent through for, through
postpartum, Um, was I, you havelike the self image of yourself,
right?
And you're transitioning intobeing a mom and it's a whole
identity thing.
(50:10):
And there were times like I, dida lot of my self care in the
bathroom and the mirrors rightthere.
And I was like, man, I'm reallyaging.
I'm tired.
I'm like darkest circles everunder my eyes, deepest lines,
darkest circles.
Will this ever go away?
And you almost kind of findyourself in that like
unfortunate negative space.
(50:30):
While you're trying to take careof yourself But there are a
couple of things that like I Didto help I did have like super
dark.
I probably saw I mean I stillhave my feel like but my my
Certain area I had dark circlesand it was just Like hard for me
(50:51):
to accept.
I know it's a part of like thewhole thing and it can be like
you can find like the The beautyof it all like you're a strong
mom, you know You can back it upwith something beautiful like
that, but I have two productsthat worked really well for me I
highly recommend them.
I'm like telling everybodythat's ever like come up to me
and talk to me about like darkcircles under eyes, you know,
(51:12):
whatever girl talk.
And, um, two of the products Ihave, I have these like firming
eye gel patches by skin Iceland.
It's the company skin Icelandand they have like these hydro
cool firming eye gel patches andyou can get them on Amazon or
Alta has them.
Um, the skin Iceland, uh,website for sure has them, but
(51:34):
like, I've tried like all thethings like, okay, I'll just
take an ice cube or I'll takelike cold cucumber slices or
whatever.
And it just like, it was hardfor me to be sitting around with
an
Jordan (51:46):
ice cube on your eyeball.
Lindsay (51:47):
Yeah.
Or like the cucumber patches,like that's impossible for me to
do.
So please just attach gelpatches to my face and I can go
about my day.
So I put those on for 10minutes.
That's like what I'm feeling.
extra tired or, um, I feel likemy dark circles are coming
through.
and then what I like to do whenI do go out and about, if I'm
wearing makeup or something, Ifound this product.
(52:10):
Called Becca, B E C C A By theSmashbox Cosmetics Company.
Jordan (52:16):
I've always loved the name Smashbox for a cosmetic
company.
Fun fact about me.
Yeah.
Lindsay (52:22):
So they have this stuff called the under eye brightening
corrector, and it's just likethis little like jar of paste
and I have it in the fair lightcolor and it's almost like a
pinkish and you just put that onlike underneath your eyes a
little bit, a little close.
So far, which is kind of nice.
I like that about a cosmeticlike if a little bit goes far
(52:42):
you've won me That's super cool.
So, those are my two productsfor the recommendation of all
things to, to talk
Jordan (52:50):
about that.
Yeah.
Go try those out, everybody.
Mm hmm.
Lindsay (52:53):
Yeah.
And that was, that was fun.
That was fun.
We have more self care episodes,I'm sure.
Oh
Jordan (52:58):
yeah.
In the future.
Yep.
Yeah.
And I'm going to get better atpracticing it for myself and
remembering the ways that I'mdoing a good job.
Yes.
Lindsay (53:06):
I'm going to do that.
I kind of like want, I'm excitedabout that little experiment.
I want to go home right now andjust like figure out all the
things I'm doing.
Yeah, you're a list person too.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Thank you for that tip.
Absolutely.
Jordan (53:19):
Thanks for uh, hanging out with us.
Yeah.
Lindsay (53:22):
This was great.
Have a good day.
We'll peace out.
We'll see you
Jordan (53:25):
next time.
See ya.
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