August 4, 2024 • 45 mins
Hello, hello! In this episode, we chat about the infamous toddler food refusal phase, offering tips and tricks to get those little ones eating again. From utensil tricks to introducing dips, we've got you as covered as your little one’s face. Plus, we give a shout-out to some amazing resources like Solid Starts and Kids Eat in Color for all your toddler feeding needs.
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Jordan (00:00):
We've had that thing in our living room for like three
months now.
Because my kid's obsessed withit.
Obsessed.
It's her
Lindsay (00:09):
cute
Jordan (00:10):
little chair.
It's her cute little seat.
She
Lindsay (00:12):
loves it.
Everybody go find the Mexicancheddar treat.
Shredded cheese box from Costco.
Jordan (00:29):
Hi! Hello, hello! Comfy evening at Jordan's house.
Yeah, another comfy, comfylittle meeting.
Lindsay (00:41):
Another meeting.
Jordan and I have many meetingstogether.
Yes,
Jordan (00:44):
we've had two today.
All kinds
Lindsay (00:46):
of meetings.
We have these type of meetings.
We have playdate meetings.
Yeah.
We have drop off meetings.
Swap items.
Jordan (00:58):
Walk meetings.
Yeah.
All kinds Yeah.
We are here to meet each other,Yeah.
Welcome to, welcome back to thepodcast.
We have kids, we do, we havekids.
And another topic.
To talk about yeah, I'm from thelong long long list.
My list is just growing andgrowing.
Yeah, mine is too
Lindsay (01:17):
Yeah, the more the more we have this time in between I'm
Mindblown by like multiplethings in one day Yeah
Jordan (01:27):
Yeah, totally Yeah, I like I've been thinking about
when, um, when we're going toget a little like training potty
already.
If you
Lindsay (01:37):
have a book, I have one for you to help.
I have two for you.
Jordan (01:41):
Okay.
Potty training books?
Yeah.
Okay.
Those are so fun.
Lindsay (01:45):
What are they?
P for Potty with
Jordan (01:47):
Elmo.
Oh, like for the kid to read.
Yeah.
Okay, cute.
I was just like thinking thiswas good for the parents.
Lindsay (01:54):
I have no idea what kind of books for that.
But P for Potty, it's the Elmohardcover and it's got like 30
tabs that flip.
Oh, cute.
And it keeps them like, well, mydaughter's not quite ready for
this yet, but we did get it forher just to kind of like flip
through and play with, but itkeeps them.
flipping through the book forMinutes like long periods of
(02:17):
time.
So I think it's a good one tohave on the potty.
Yeah, that sounds great and thenum Cute, I think it's one that I
had growing up.
I think it's called.
I have a potty It's like thisFrench version author, um, I
have,
Jordan (02:35):
uh, are you looking it up right now?
Lindsay (02:38):
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
Once upon a potty.
Jordan (02:41):
Oh, once upon a potty.
Oh, that's cute.
By
Lindsay (02:43):
Alana Frankel.
I had that and it's the girlone.
I had that when I was a little,little one.
Jordan (02:50):
So, Once Upon a Potty.
Yep, MP
Lindsay (02:52):
for Potty.
Those are great books.
Yeah.
Once Upon a Potty is a good one.
It was like, burned.
Images in my mind.
I open that book and I'm like,this is a book that I for sure
had as a kid because I knowevery single page.
That's
Jordan (03:04):
so weird.
Yeah,
Lindsay (03:05):
it's darling.
It's a cute little book.
Um, so it they're both boardbooks and We have those in our
house.
So if you need a book
Jordan (03:14):
Cool.
Yeah, I recommend I did look inthe potty section at the library
last time we went so I willYeah, i'll maybe take you up on
that.
I don't think we're quite readybut We're kind of to a point
where she's like aware of whathappens on the potty.
I don't know, I haven't done anyresearch about when you're
supposed to start or what cuesyou're meant to look for.
So.
Uh, yeah, keep your eyes tuned,or your eyes tuned, tune those
(03:34):
eyes.
Mm hmm.
That'll be an episode soon, Ithink.
Yeah.
Lindsay (03:38):
And I'm sure you're talking about when you, like,
Mom's gonna go potty,
Jordan (03:43):
Daddy's gonna go potty.
Yeah, definitely.
She's sitting in there with meevery day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lindsay (03:48):
I think that's a very good
Jordan (03:49):
start.
Yeah.
So, yeah, lots of things comingup.
Cool.
Lindsay (03:52):
I'm, I just got, me and my daughter both just got done
with RSV.
Jordan (03:56):
Oh yeah, yuck.
They were out.
They were out for the count.
Yeah.
That lasted like, how long didthat last?
It was ages.
Felt like ages.
For sure two
Lindsay (04:08):
weeks for her.
Because we went into thepediatrician twice.
And I don't know, it was likeday 12.
I went in second time and I waslike, this is not some like
Jordan (04:21):
help.
Yeah.
Someone do something.
Lindsay (04:25):
Yeah.
And thank God we did not have tobe hospitalized or anything, but
man sucks.
We had to stay away fromeverybody.
Jordan (04:36):
Yeah.
We haven't recorded for a whilebecause Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't want to get RSV two Wedon't have that
Lindsay (04:42):
set up where we're both like in separate homes or across
the United States or anythinglike that.
We're together doing ourpodcast, so, yes, I had to stay
far, far away.
Yeah.
Jordan (04:52):
Two blocks away.
But they're better now.
It took a little while.
Yeah.
Our little kiddo was feelingsuper sad.
Yeah,
Lindsay (04:59):
she's better.
I'm getting there.
I'm better.
I'm not contagious.
I'm not contagious.
So, that's
Jordan (05:06):
good.
Yeah.
Still tired, probably.
Lindsay (05:08):
Yeah, my husband's been busy this month.
I've been taking over, primarychild care.
Jordan (05:14):
I would say that you Yeah, can you tell?
That's all I was gonna say.
Like, primary child care is onething, but like, sole child care
is another thing.
Like, you're kind of alreadyalways on primary child
Lindsay (05:28):
care.
Yeah, I am the primary childcare person.
Um, and I have been the sole,well he's gone, the sole
childcare person, which I love,don't get me wrong, I love,
love, love every moment spentwith her, but my mental load
brain has tapped out.
Yeah.
We have, he leaves againtomorrow through the weekend, so
(05:53):
it's a Wednesday through Sunday
Jordan (05:56):
ish.
Oh, tomorrow is
Lindsay (05:57):
Wednesday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so we have.
Playdates ready to go withJordan.
Two playdates, I think, right?
Sure, why not?
We're going to the library.
Yeah.
To get our library card.
Jordan (06:08):
Fun.
Words.
Getting out of that house.
Yeah, we're not sick anymore.
We can
Lindsay (06:14):
go out and about.
We did a park today, which wasso fun.
Yeah, we went to a really coolpark.
Yeah, it's been so nice outsidehere.
Sounds like everybody's having areally warm winter across the
US, but yeah, that doesn't shockme.
Jordan (06:25):
We're having a nice one.
It's been pretty nice.
We had like a, I feel likeJanuary was a little rough.
We had a couple of weeks of juststraight up gray that were
getting a little bit intense formy brain.
But yeah, today I was inliterally in a tank top and
shorts laying in my front on myfront porch reading.
Oh yeah.
Something I was like, Oh, Ihaven't done that in so long.
(06:45):
It felt so good.
That's amazing.
Oh, so good.
Yeah.
Lindsay (06:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a instant boost thatsunlight.
Oh,
Jordan (06:51):
yeah.
It's a huge for me.
It's a huge boost like it's likechanges my whole Physiology.
Yeah, so Yeah, I love the goodweather.
Yeah, so here we are.
So we're back.
We're back We're ready to talkabout kid stuff because we have
kids we're ready to talk aboutthem And all this stuff.
Yeah,
Lindsay (07:08):
uh, we're talking about a big one right now.
Um, just because we're Well,you've been in this phase for a
hot second, I'm entering it,kind of, but you're gonna start
chit chatting about toddler foodrefusal.
Jordan (07:21):
Yes.
Yes.
Here we go.
Yeah, so there was like onething that I wanted to bring up.
And I, like, um, the swipe?
The swipe.
Oh,
Lindsay (07:33):
I know what you're saying.
I know what you're talkingabout.
My first, my first thought waslike, you know, social or
whatever, but
Jordan (07:38):
then I was like, oh, wait a second.
On Instagram, not that kind ofswiping.
We're talking about Tyler Foodor whatever.
This is something that my kiddoes sometimes straight out the
gate and she sometimes waitsuntil she's like, you know,
halfway done with her food orwhatever, or she just maybe
sometimes is feeling like alittle dramatic and wants to
make a statement, but basicallyit's when she's got beautifully,
(08:00):
lovingly prepared food on hertray and, uh, decides that she
wants to just like swipe it alloff onto the floor.
It's really cute.
It's really fun.
And it's been something we'redealing with.
Uh, yeah, we've been dealingwith it for a hot minute.
Yeah.
And she's
Lindsay (08:16):
going as fast as
Jordan (08:17):
possible too.
Oh, she gets it off.
They're so like, so fast.
It's lightning fast.
It's insane.
It's yeah.
Why do they do this?
I don't know Yep, it's not thatfun.
So yeah, that's a little part oftoddler food refusal, which yes,
is what we're going to talkabout.
so there are a couple of thingsto consider when, when we're
talking about the topic oftoddler food refusal that I want
(08:38):
to talk about just a little bitbefore we get, straight out the
gate, because the first thingthat came up when I was
researching this online.
was always the same.
It was always, is your toddlerrefusing food because it's like
a normal toddler behavior or doyou have a picky eater?
Okay.
So something that I didn't knowis that there's a difference.
There's a difference betweenfood refusal and picky eating.
And actually I would havethought that picky eating, it
(09:00):
sounds more docile, but it'sactually the more problematic,
behavior of the two.
And it's not necessarily justtypical toddler behavior.
Um, so food refusal.
It's also called toddlerselectivity.
You may have heard it calledthat.
All right, so yeah, thisbehavior tends to peak around
age two, Most kids go throughthis kind of phase at some point
while they're a toddler, just asthey're gaining their
(09:21):
independence and asserting theirdominance over you as a parent.
Yeah.
And it can take a lot ofdifferent forms.
So my kid loves the swipe.
Like I said, and she, she'lljust swipe at any old time.
It's, it's honestly, it's mostlywhen she's kind of thinks she's
finished, but.
Oftentimes I can get her to eatmore of the food that she's
swiped.
(09:41):
I'll talk about how later.
Got a few tips, but it can belike throwing food.
It can be a little butt aboutgoing into or staying in their
high chair.
Um, throwing a fuss about that.
It could be getting mad aboutlike the specific food you're
serving or wanting somethingdifferent.
it could be, they're just onlyeating a little and then they're
like, yeah, I'm all done.
(10:01):
And you're like, no, you'redefinitely not.
sometimes they spit food out.
And then yeah, generally likewith the food refusal, they're
just showing an inconsistenteating, pattern, whereas with
picky eating, like it's its ownwhole thing.
Okay.
Um, it's something to, they sayit's something to worry about a
little bit more because it canbe a sign that there's.
like a bigger underlying issue.
(10:22):
Very interesting.
Happening like maybe the kid hasanxiety or is having difficulty
with like their sensoryprocessing is another thing it
could be from.
I feel like I hear a
Lindsay (10:30):
lot about picky eaters.
Jordan (10:33):
Yeah, like I didn't I like okay, so there I did hear a
little bit on Instagram like Ifollow only one Toddler food
chick and she's great.
I'll talk about her in like aminute, but that's the only
place I had ever heard of itfrom.
Yeah, but it can be a sign that.
Like, it could be just that yourkid's going through an
especially difficult toddlerphase, but it could also be a
sign of something underlying.
(10:53):
So typically they say to, um,get some kind of help and like
look into that a little bit.
One resource that I would loveto shout out is something that
Lindsay and I have already knownabout.
It's a called Solid Starts.
Yeah, they're awesome.
They're awesome for all thingsfood.
Lindsay (11:09):
All things like, even like choking hazards and like
what it could look like and whateven like gagging, like gagging
or versus choking.
Like I,
Jordan (11:18):
I appreciate your Minnesota accent just came out
so much.
Yeah.
When you said gagging, I waslike, where's she going to go
with this?
I didn't think you were going tosay gagging.
I
Lindsay (11:29):
bet you're right.
I don't like, I did change theword bag.
I think I've talked about thatbefore.
You
Jordan (11:34):
didn't though.
You say it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I go back and forth.
Man.
Anyway, sorry, I had to pointthat out.
Yeah, where were we?
Solid Start.
Solid Start.
So good.
Such a great resource.
It's a great resource.
They have, it's a paid, mostly apaid resource, but they did
have, a bundle for toddler foodrefusal and toddlers eating
(11:59):
generally.
And then also they have some, aspecific set of like questions
that they go through with you todetermine whether your kid is a
picky eater.
So if you're wondering, ifyou're like, this kind of sounds
like my kid, how do I know?
Go to Solid Start's website.
That's definitely, definitely aresource to check out.
And the other girl who I wasgoing to mention too is the one
who I said I follow onInstagram.
(12:20):
Her handle is kidseatincolor, Ithink that's the one you shared
with me.
Yeah.
So she's really good.
Her website actually has a lotof free, information on it.
So that's a really good place tocheck out too.
She
Lindsay (12:32):
is awesome.
Every time she posts.
Just so intrigued by watchingwhat she's doing and what's
going on.
And like, Oh, okay.
Jordan (12:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Her information is great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's really palatable.
It's like, yep.
Very small, chunked down for thebusy mom to just like.
Absorb real quick.
Lindsay (12:48):
And she's really good with how to conversate with
your, with your toddler andchild.
Yeah.
Jordan (12:52):
About the foods that you're eating and why you eat
them.
And yeah, all sorts.
Yeah.
Very cool.
Yeah.
She's great.
So quick shout out to her.
She's awesome.
Lindsay (13:00):
Jennifer Anderson.
Jennifer
Jordan (13:02):
Anderson.
Kids eat in color.
Kids eat in color.
Perfect.
1.
9
Lindsay (13:05):
million
Jordan (13:06):
followers.
Whoa, really?
Oh, she doesn't need our shoutout.
No.
She is set.
Dang, I had no idea she had thatmany followers.
That is
Lindsay (13:15):
a of great highlights too.
Jordan (13:18):
She's so good.
There's actually somethingreally cool on her website that
I found while I was looking thisstuff up.
So, if there's a specific typeof food, your kid hasn't been
open to and you want some helpkind of coming up with creative
new ways to offer it to thembecause obviously exposure,
exposure, exposure is going tomake you crazy.
Like you don't want to have tocut, you've got so much on your
(13:38):
plate already.
You don't want to come up withcreative ways to feed your kid
the same food that they've beenrefusing.
So there's a section on the kidseating color website where you
can choose that specific foodand it'll walk you through like
an activity.
You can do with that food withyour kid, it will tell you how
to talk about it specificallywith your kid.
It will tell you different waysto serve it to your kid that you
(13:58):
probably haven't thought ofalready.
And like, yeah, it's, it'scrazy.
And it's a free resource.
Lindsay (14:05):
She's got like recipes and everything straight for
like,
Jordan (14:08):
it's tons.
Yeah, Lindsay, she has tons ofcontent.
And obviously she has some paidcontent, too, that's probably
incredible, but the stuff she'sgiving away for free is just, it
feels like a gift.
So, go check it out because it'sso fun.
Like, even, even though my kidwill eat a lot of foods, there
were some on there that I wantedto just, like, Check out the
activities and stuff justbecause it's like something fun
(14:30):
to do.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, so yeah, definitely givethat resource a go.
It's super cool Alright, so,gonna put picky eating to the
side now.
there's also this one otherthing I wanted to mention.
It's called neophobia.
Have you heard of it?
You have heard of it?
How am I not hearing about anyof this?
I hope this is news for someoneelse out there besides me.
I mean, Lindsay knows tons ofstuff, but I have never heard of
(14:53):
this.
It's, something that can happenspontaneously.
It's got roots in evolution.
Basically what it is, is, Imean, it's a phobia, it's what
it sounds like, but it's aphobia, a fear of like new
foods.
Yes.
Just generally.
Yeah.
And it's not the same as pickyeating, apparently.
Okay.
Yeah.
Those are like two totallydifferent things.
The neophobia can have somethingto do with like texture and so
can picky eating.
(15:14):
So it'd probably be kind of hardto distinguish, but the
neophobia could be for certaincolors, certain textures, a
specific type of food.
Lindsay (15:22):
Or like, or like if all eyes are watching them try this
new food and they're just like,what?
Jordan (15:27):
Maybe, yeah, maybe something like that.
Like it's just like the pressurecan be intense.
Um, yeah, so they say it'sevolutionary because obviously
we had to like learn todifferentiate foods that we
could eat from foods that wecouldn't.
Yeah.
And so imagine that.
Yeah, it's crazy to think about.
I always am like, how did wesurvive as a species?
Like kids are so useless.
(15:49):
Not useless, but man, they'renot good at figuring out what
they can and can't eat.
They just eat everything for awhile.
And then nothing for a while.
Like, what are we anyway, ifyour kids, if your kid is
experiencing neophobia, they saythe best thing to do is just
keep exposing them to the food.
Like that exposure is crazy,crazy important with toddlers
(16:11):
that if they're refusing acertain type of food or they're
not liking a certain type offood, they say to try the food
like over 20 times before yougive up trying that food and
just maybe not like every singleday, but yeah.
Every few days, like reintroduceit, reintroduce it, so, and that
can help with the neophobiabecause then they'll learn that
it's a food that they can eat.
So, there are some reasons whyyour child might be refusing
(16:35):
food.
apart from just the fact thatthey're gaining independence and
it's going to happen anyway.
So the questions to ask yourselfare, is your child coming to the
table hungry?
to figure this out, you can askyourself whether they're grazing
or snacking a lot during theday.
Are they drinking more than 16ounces of any kind of milk, or
do they nurse a whole bunchthroughout the day?
And are mealtimes inconsistent?
(16:56):
So if you answered yes to any ofthose, then your kid might not
be hungry when they're coming toeat.
Okay, anyway, so, What can wedo?
What can we do about foodrefusal?
Tell us what to do with theswipe.
First of all, if you're gettingfrustrated that your, that your
kids refusing their food, thefirst thing I'm going to
recommend to you is to go onReddit.
(17:22):
I went on Reddit and I waslooking at the threads about
picky eating and food refusal,and I was like some of these
poor moms were just having a.
Day, like you could tell they'rejust ready to put their head in
the wall, like read it, hanganymore.
So maybe that made me feelbetter.
I know that's messed up.
It's a time warp.
(17:42):
I know it is a time warp.
I didn't get stuck there toolong, but it will make you feel
like you're not the only personout there with this issue.
So give that a shot.
Um, and then one of my favoritetips is this is going to be like
a bit of a list of tips, but thefirst thing to remember is that
it's actually really hard.
for your kid to eat.
Like it's difficult.
It's not like we can eat somindlessly and I do.
(18:03):
I eat so mindlessly so much ofthe time, but it's like when I
watch my kid eating with a forkor a spoon or even sometimes
with her hands, it, I can seethe amount of concentration that
it's requiring of her.
And then I'm like, Oh yeah, no.
Like she's experiencing all ofthese things for the first time.
This is tricky.
I don't know if you've evertaken mushrooms and tried to eat
something.
(18:24):
I haven't.
No, I like what I have ever, butit would probably, it's probably
difficult.
It's probably hard.
I just bought
Lindsay (18:31):
my daughter a fork today.
Oh, did you?
So it's her first fork.
She's been doing great with thespoon and everything, but now
we're gonna try a fork and I
Jordan (18:39):
have no idea.
My kid actually does better.
Well, it depends on the food,but she okay.
She's really good with a fork.
She's been eating with a forkfor a little like a hot minute
now.
Good.
Yeah, so I'm going to skip to,that's a nice segue.
That's another good tip.
So when my kid starts to swipe,that's when I'll offer her
utensils.
Okay.
Unless it's something like ifshe's eating like chia pudding
(19:00):
or oatmeal or like cottagecheese or something, I'll give
her that with a spoon and justlet her self feed.
She's pretty good at that.
It gets everywhere, but she,like.
Does she
Lindsay (19:08):
do better when she gets that utensil?
Yes.
See, I, she totally does.
Yeah.
I wonder if she thinks likefinger food is like playtime,
you
Jordan (19:16):
know?
Like, yeah.
Or maybe it's even the opposite.
Like she, I can tell when shepicks up the fork that she's
like ready to like, get serious.
Wow.
Like, she like gets her likewhole persona changes and she's
like, going to tackle thischallenge.
Like it's, it's like not aboutthe food at that point, and
whether she's like reallyhungry.
Oh, I love that.
But she does eat so much moreonce I give her that fork or a
(19:38):
spoon, if it's.
If that makes sense.
Um, so I usually just give it,give her food as finger food
first, and then let her get kindof frustrated because she'll be
quicker with the finger food.
And then once she kind of thinksshe's going to swipe it all off,
I'll just be like, Hey, do youwant a fork?
And she'll be like, fork.
And I'm like, okay, cool.
Have the fork.
And then she usually eats almostall of the rest of it, which is
(20:00):
great.
Another thing you can do whenthey get to that point where
they're like throwing their foodor throwing a fit or whatever
your kid does is offer.
A dip.
Yes.
Dips.
Dips are our best friend rightnow.
Like our best best friend.
Lindsay (20:16):
I remember when you were telling me that you guys
Introduce her to ketchup.
Oh, yeah.
For her, like, what was it?
Ground beef or something.
Yes.
Jordan (20:24):
Uh huh.
That was it.
Yeah.
She was swiping it.
I was like, no, this isn'thappening.
Yeah.
Do you want to dip?
And she just goes dip, dip, dip,dip and gets so excited.
Yeah, it started with somepancakes.
I was making her these reallygood pancakes.
And you were just talking aboutpancakes the other day.
That's so funny.
Um, but yeah, I was making herthese pancakes that are just
basically like oats, banana, eggand milk.
(20:45):
Yeah.
And you just blend it up and youmake a cute little pancake.
They're really good.
Um, well, I don't think they'rethat good.
She loves them and they're likenutritious.
Yeah,
Lindsay (20:54):
I know.
I've tried
Jordan (20:55):
some of those and I'm like, what?
They don't taste great, butwe're like accustomed to like
slutty American pancakes, so.
Um, that makes sense.
Yes.
Um, but yeah, so we, I mean, Itry not to make her pancakes
because obviously the, the mostsensible dip for that is maple
syrup and she has had a littleand she obviously loves that,
but I'll just give her like alittle like dime size amount on
(21:17):
her tray and then, yeah, we'veonly done ketchup a couple of
times with like ground beef andmaybe eggs, but that's one of
the things.
She'll do really well with afork with um, but if it's
something else like a sweetpotato or a vegetable I'll just
put a little olive oil on thetray Oh, yeah, and let her dip
it even in like melted butter orolive oil and you don't need to
(21:39):
put a lot on the tray Just likeyou know, a nickel sized amount
and it's enough for her to getexcited and like think she's
doing something new It's reallynice.
Yeah, so give that a shot Yeah,yeah.
You don't have to use likeunhealthy, crazy dips.
Well, at least not when yourkid's my kid's age.
Maybe once she like, it's, risesup to the fact that olive oil is
(22:01):
not a dip.
I'll be in trouble, but, um,yeah.
So another thing you can do iseat the same foods with them at
the same time.
Let the mirror neurons take overa little bit.
That one's good.
Um, that one's really good forthe neophobia too, just cause
they can see that the food issafe.
Um, let's see, you could try thefood in a different form.
(22:24):
So, an example of this tonight,we were having some salmon.
And we had it with some sweetpotatoes.
And she was not digging thesalmon too much after a little
bit, but she was really likingthe sweet potatoes.
Sweet potato, so basically Iwould just take a little sweet
potato and like mush it betweenmy fingers and just sandwich a
little piece of salmon in thereand pop it in her mouth.
I'm sure everyone's gottendesperate enough to try
(22:45):
something like this.
Right.
That works really nicely if youcan do that.
Yeah.
Lindsay (22:50):
Yeah, that sweet potato, those are nice because
they like hide flavors prettywell.
Jordan (22:55):
They do.
And textures too, I think,probably.
I haven't tried it because Idon't really want to eat my fish
sandwich in between clumps ofsweet potato.
But yeah, I've got a feelingit's probably good.
So the next thing that I wouldsay is, one thing that became
really important with us for ourkid is to offer her foods one at
a time.
So instead of, I really likedputting everything on the tray
(23:17):
and seeing the nice like rainbowcolors and it looks all cute and
it looks like I really careabout her a lot.
Of course, of course.
And I work in a food company.
food and beverage.
So yeah, I am caring aboutpresentation for my one year
old.
Um, but for her, what actuallyworks better is to have one food
at a time and starting with theone that she's least likely to
(23:38):
finish.
So tonight, for example, I gaveher the fish first and then the
sweet potato and then the greenbeans cause she actually loves
green beans.
And then finally I gave her astrawberry for like after
dinner, she loves it.
She loves her strawberries.
That has helped us a lot.
Like in the morning, we'll giveher an egg first and then chia
pudding and then fruit orwhatever it is.
(23:59):
Sure.
So that can be really helpful.
And the last thing that we'vetried, that I was just gonna
mention, isn't always obvious.
Sometimes she asks for it, butsometimes she doesn't.
She just wants a drink.
So sometimes she just wants somewater.
Like if it's a texture thing, orif her, I mean we do the same
thing when we eat.
If we eat something kind of dry,then we want to wash it down
(24:19):
with something.
Um, so you can definitely try.
Giving your kids some water orsomething else to drink and
it'll help with the texture thetexture thing So that's the
stuff that we've done There area couple other tips that I
thought might be worthmentioning The first is to avoid
pressuring the child to eat.
I think this is something that'skind of been made really popular
(24:40):
in the kind of media andliterature around this here
Basically, what they say is thismore often backfires and makes,
like, if your kid's on the trackfor picky eating, it will make
picky eating worse.
so included, in this is usingkind of neutral language about
foods,, so if your kid says,this is gross or yuck, or makes
(25:02):
any comment like that.
You don't argue with them andyou're not saying, Oh, this is
good.
Like, watch, I'm going to eatit.
It's so good.
Instead, you tell them factsabout the food.
Like for avocado, for example,you tell them, This is green.
It's squishy.
It's soft.
You can use words like that thatare descriptive instead of
saying it's It's good.
It's healthy.
It's whatever.
(25:22):
Right.
Lindsay (25:23):
Creamy.
Jordan (25:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like that.
Yeah.
So I'm going to maybe startpracticing doing that because it
sounds nice.
It sounds fun.
And also my kids learning hercolors.
So that'll help with that too.
Yeah.
yes.
And then finally, my last littletip for you here is to take a
long deep breath.
And remember that it'stemporary.
(25:45):
You can get through it.
Find support I'll be reachingout to you.
Yeah, please
Lindsay (25:49):
do.
A few months ahead of us.
But yeah, you're my good reachout person.
Jordan (25:55):
Oh, you know what?
I could also talk about herejust real quick.
I know I said I was done, butthere is actually one more
recommendation.
This should go in ourrecommendation section, but it's
off the cuff.
So here we go.
Is it off the cuff or off thecusp?
Lindsay (26:08):
Off the cuff.
I think it's off.
That is off the, uh oh, off thecuff.
Off the cuff.
Without
Jordan (26:16):
preparation.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
This is off the cuff.
Coming at you off the cuff.
Lindsay (26:21):
What does off the cuff mean?
Made without being prepared orthought about
Jordan (26:25):
in advance.
Okay.
There you go.
Yep.
Yeah, I did not think about thisin advance.
This fits.
Okay.
So the thing is, I don't know ify'all out there have ever heard
of a bench scraper.
If you've heard of this, that'sreally cool.
You probably work in arestaurant.
If you haven't heard of this youprobably don't.
So it's basically, it looks likea big, like slab of, uh, not,
(26:49):
not even that big of a slab ofmetal.
How do I describe this?
So if you've ever seen like a.
Cleaving knife
Lindsay (26:53):
thick or a huge
Jordan (26:55):
chef's knife.
Yeah, like really chunky squareone It's basically it kind of
looks similar to that exceptit's not sharp at the bottom
It's just like a blunt metaledge.
And then the top is like ahandle like a flower scraper
It's like four by five, right?
Yeah, probably about like fourby five and then yeah, it just
has like a little Cylindricalplastic handle at the top.
(27:17):
Yes.
It's the best.
So it's the very best thing.
It's great for like Picking up abunch of vegetables and throwing
them in the pot all at once fromyour chopping board but the best
thing that we use it for everysingle like three times a day is
Scraping off the floor all ofthat food that my kid has swiped
off her tray It's so good forthat because you don't want to
be using your broom for avocadoNo, you know and eggs you're
(27:40):
like and you also don't wantthem to stay on the floor until
they get hard enough to sweepWhich
Lindsay (27:44):
is sometimes I'm tempted so you're using it
before For as you're preparingyour meal and then you're saving
it for after.
And then
Jordan (27:49):
we give it an immediate clean because it's being put, it
honestly is the thing we use inour, we use it more than our
knives right now.
I'm not even joking.
It's stupid.
I'd love that.
You'll use it.
You'll use it forever.
All right.
And that's it.
That's pretty much it.
Take a deep breath.
You can get through it.
We have faith in you.
Your kid will make it.
Yeah.
I love that.
And you're doing a good job.
(28:10):
Keep going.
Keep
Lindsay (28:12):
going.
And breathe.
Jordan (28:14):
And breathe.
And try again.
Tomorrow and the next day.
Yeah.
And the next day.
Lindsay (28:20):
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, I'd love that though.
Yeah.
We have a puppy and she, She'san adult.
Yeah, she's two.
She's an
Jordan (28:28):
adult.
I feel like she's, She's alwaysgonna be a little puppy
Lindsay (28:31):
in your heart.
Yeah.
We always say puppy because It'smy daughter's puppy if you will,
but she loves to sit at at thebottom.
Oh,
Jordan (28:40):
yeah She's getting she's getting some auxiliary.
Lindsay (28:42):
Yeah, my daughter's definitely given her like It's
so interesting because she willtake her scrambled egg and eat
It and she'll also give it tothe dog you like Randomly a bite
here and there and she'llcontinue to eat it herself.
Like she's, that's so, oh, she'staking care of her.
She's not giving all her food tothe dog.
(29:02):
So cute.
So she's going back
Jordan (29:04):
and forth a little bit.
Oh, that's
Lindsay (29:05):
fresh.
Yeah.
We haven't had a lot of toddlerrefusal from her quite yet.
The spitting out food thing ishappening, but it's definitely
at the end when she's full.
Mm.
Yeah.
Um, so that's common.
Uh, she's not a fan of.
Grated apples.
Like the texture.
Jordan (29:22):
Oh, interesting.
I've never given my kid gratedapples.
She loves
Lindsay (29:27):
like soft apples or applesauce.
But sometimes I was like, I'mjust going to grate this up in
her yogurt and see what happens.
And she's just not
Jordan (29:34):
into it.
No, not into the
Lindsay (29:35):
grated stuff.
That's so funny.
Yeah, and if we don't offer herfood on a plate first, she loves
her food on a plate.
Really?
Yes.
That's so funny.
Loves it.
And if we don't bring the plateof food to her, she's like
immediate tears.
No way! Cause she thinks thatlike we're gonna feed her, you
know, spoon feed her orsomething.
(29:56):
And she just wants to be able todo it herself.
Cause sometimes I have like alittle oatmeal and I do have
like a little bowl of that offto the side that I bring over,
but like.
If it's not in her plate.
Ready to go.
She's bummed.
She's so
Jordan (30:10):
bummed.
Oh no.
Lindsay (30:12):
That's so cute.
We'll see how long this,
Jordan (30:14):
like, lettuce or whatever.
Oh, that's so funny.
Yeah, so she loves her plate.
Yeah.
I don't know.
what's funny?
Me and Lindsay have the samelittle plate.
It's like the little easy peasy.
Yeah.
Um, it's like a little bowlplate that sticks to the
surface.
I love that thing.
I do too.
I don't use it the same way youdo.
Lindsay (30:32):
Please tell me how you use, how you're using it.
Oh my god, what?
The
Jordan (30:36):
only way I use this is, I use it for my kids snack and
that's usually like a littlelike bar or like a piece of
fruit or something cut up.
And then I, I put it, I just putit on the floor and she eats
like a little dog.
Oh, I love that.
It's so funny.
Lindsay (30:54):
Cause it looks like
Jordan (30:55):
a little dish, like a little fountain.
Yeah, I mean, she doesn't likeget on all fours and eat like a
dog.
She just, you know, she sitsdown next to it and picks it
out.
No, we
Lindsay (31:02):
cannot do that in our
Jordan (31:03):
house.
No, she would be there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's something that I probablyshouldn't.
I don't think this is arecommendation.
Lindsay (31:11):
I
Jordan (31:13):
just don't care to see every single time she has a
snack.
It seems like so much work.
That's so funny.
Yeah.
So that's the only time we usethat.
So.
Cool.
There you go.
Yeah.
Another
Lindsay (31:27):
feud refusal.
What a journey.
It's a journey.
Jordan (31:30):
And a phase.
Hopefully a phase.
Lindsay (31:34):
Um.
We have a trend.
Well, I mean, there's alwaystrending topics, right?
And there's alwaysrecommendation topics.
Yeah,
Jordan (31:42):
always.
So, I So, I guess it's beentrending.
I, this
Lindsay (31:46):
isn't necessarily has anything to do with toddler food
refusal, but it's food.
Okay.
And it's trending.
Alright.
And I don't know if it'strending because it's happening
a lot in my life and surround,and everything.
It's happening all around me,like literally here in Utah and
back in Minnesota and in KansasCity.
I have family in Kansas City.
Jordan (32:05):
I don't know if I know where this is going.
Uh, everyone's making sourdoughagain.
Oh, shit.
The sourdough.
Everyone's making sourdough.
I just, I just remembered that Idid not feed your starter today.
That's okay.
And I was supposed to.
I don't even know.
I should probably check on thatafter this actually.
Okay.
I'll make Jocelyn help me.
Lindsay (32:25):
Yeah, I need to get starter from you or I'll just
get
Jordan (32:28):
it another way.
No, I have it's in my fridgeright now.
I have your starter in myfridge.
Do you have to feed that thingevery day?
No, uh, sometimes.
I don't know.
But I have not fed yours.
And it, no, I, you definitelydon't always have to feed it
every day.
I think there may becircumstances where you do need
to feed it every day.
(32:50):
I don't know.
If you want it.
Lindsay, I don't know.
But I know that yours doesn'tneed to be fed every day.
There are resources.
Lindsay (32:56):
For sure.
There are Facebook groups.
There are Instagram pages.
I'm for sure.
Instagram pages, whatever.
Instagram profiles.
Jordan (33:04):
Profiles.
Yeah, that's the word.
I didn't even clock that.
Like not even a little
Lindsay (33:09):
bit.
Legitimate millennial y'all.
Like I'm like with it, but thenI'm also like calling it like
Instagram pages.
Um, okay.
So no, everyone's makingfricking sourdough.
My friends in Minnesota can'tget.
Bread flour.
What?
Like, on the shelf.
Jordan (33:28):
Wow.
Like, it's
Lindsay (33:29):
gone.
And I don't know if this iscoming back up in, okay, it was
COVID.
Jordan (33:33):
COVID, obviously.
Everyone
Lindsay (33:35):
was making bread and everyone was making sourdough.
For sure.
And then I don't know if it hassomething to do with grocery
prices going back up.
Probably.
And, uh, people are just like,screw
Jordan (33:49):
it.
Let's make my own bread.
I mean, shit, dude, you go tothe store and you buy a loaf of
sourdough, costs like tendollars.
Yeah, it's a lot.
It's crazy.
Lindsay (33:57):
Yeah, and this stuff is like easy on a lot of people's
digestive systems.
It's like, you can make allkinds of stuff with the discard.
Like if it, like if that starterupstairs is not doing well, I
can make Pancakes out of it.
What?
Discard.
Sourdough discard.
That's so cool.
Thanks so much.
was left.
Okay, My cousin in Kansas shegot a starter from her neighbor
(34:20):
that's 150 years old.
What?
How's
Jordan (34:24):
that even like freaking?
Wait, that's from the 1800s.
Oh, she got sourdough from the1800s.
Starter.
Can you believe that?
No.
Actually, no.
Anyways.
That's insane.
150 years old.
Lindsay (34:40):
Right.
So I don't know if it's actuallytrending.
I mean, this podcast ishopefully going to make it
worldwide, but I don't know ifeveryone in the world is doing
sourdough right now, but itseems like everyone across the
country.
I have many people, manyresources.
They're all like talking aboutsourdough all at the same time.
Yeah,
Jordan (34:56):
I mean, I clearly need to get on this.
Yeah.
My sister works with, like,breads and doughs and things
like that anyway, but yeah, shemade some excellent sourdoughs
just last week.
So you're not, like, you're,maybe you're not wrong.
Lindsay (35:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Neighbor across the street'slike, I made bread.
Do you want one?
I'm like, yes.
Jordan (35:13):
Yes.
Yes, I would love
Lindsay (35:14):
that.
We love sourdough bread in ourhome.
So anyways, that's my, like,trending topic right now because
they're just fascinating and youcan do so much with
Jordan (35:24):
sourdough.
Yeah.
Great for kids to eat.
What else can you do with thediscard, I wonder?
You were telling me about likegranola.
Yeah, so King Arthur
Lindsay (35:33):
very popular like flour brand.
And they have a recipe forsourdough discard granola.
That just sounds crazy to me.
It's like the wet
Jordan (35:43):
ingredient.
Yeah,
Lindsay (35:44):
It is not the only wet ingredient.
They do have oil and they dohave maple syrup in it.
But how crazy is that you canjust add
Jordan (35:52):
your sourdough.
That's so cool.
I actually think that's
Lindsay (35:55):
really cool.
Yeah.
And then, I don't know if youknow who Ballerina Farm is.
She's here in Utah, she haseight kids and just did the
world pageant.
She did the world pageant, Ithink eight or ten days
postpartum.
Jordan (36:11):
The world, like, not beauty pageant.
World beauty pageant.
You're kidding.
What?
Ballerina
Lindsay (36:16):
Farm.
Um, Hannah, She is huge sour.
They have a farm out in Kamis.
Oh, okay.
And they have a dairy farm andthey have pigs and they have,
um, all kinds of stuff and it'sreally cool.
You can get like, boxes sent toyour home of their pastries and
bacon.
Oh, wow.
That's cool.
And, um, they're gonna, they'reopening up a creamery out at
their house now too.
(36:37):
Yum.
Which is really cool.
That's cool.
She is a huge sourdough makerand it's, her Instagram is
pretty fascinating to watch andsee what she can do with all
this sourdough.
But she makes all kinds ofpastries and all kinds of
goodies She's got really greatrecipes on her website for
sourdough.
Cool.
Just go.
Jordan (36:58):
Yeah, I just checked this out and it says the
sourdough discard works well inBakes goods that don't require
lively yeast.
So like crackers, tortillas,pancakes.
Oh, okay.
You can use it to flavorrecipes.
That's really cool.
Yeah.
Lindsay (37:13):
Anyways.
Jordan (37:14):
Yeah, I love some sourdough.
I wanna, I wanna get some.
No.
Lindsay (37:19):
Best grilled cheese ever in your life is Homemade
sourdough with, like, rich Agedcheddar, raw cheddar, like grass
fed butter, like rich
Jordan (37:30):
salted butter, oh my god.
That sounds so
Lindsay (37:33):
good.
I don't know if I could everhave grilled cheese that's not
that, ever
Jordan (37:37):
again.
Yeah, no I would love that rightnow, I just ate it and it still
sounds so good.
Yum.
Anyways.
Speaking of cheddar, just realquick, for anyone out there with
a Costco membership, I've beenlooking for cheddar.
For my British husband in theUnited States for like the five
years that we've spent heretogether, never found any.
(37:57):
That suits his very, particularpalette.
I would like to know what helikes.
Oh, I have some in the fridge.
Okay.
Finally, Lindsay, for the firsttime in the history of our
relationship, I found him somecheese in the United States.
That is like.
Up to his standard in terms ofcheddar.
So I'll give you some, it's a, Idon't know what it's called, but
(38:18):
it's got a union Jack on it.
I spotted it out of the cornerof my eye and the cheese aisle
at Costco.
And it was like, I wonder ifthat's a British cheddar.
And I looked and it was, wow.
It's like a West country.
Style British cheddar.
I'll let you try it.
Okay.
It's kind of got like more ofit's definitely way sharper and
has like kind of a littlecrystal.
Yeah, I love that.
It's so good.
(38:39):
So yeah, go check that out guys.
If you like a sharp cheddar, sogood.
Costco's got it now.
Yeah.
Cool.
So many random recommendationshere, but give it a go.
All right.
Did you want to keep going withthe sourdough stuff?
Lindsay (38:53):
I mean, I could just talk and talk and talk about
like Food.
I couldn't
Jordan (39:02):
leave that in, that was funny.
Yeah.
Oh, gold.
So could I.
Lindsay (39:12):
Anyways, there's gotta be some great sourdough recipe
books
Jordan (39:15):
out there.
Yeah.
There's gotta be.
Let's go find some.
Send us some bread.
Lindsay (39:21):
Yeah.
Jordan (39:23):
Alright, cool.
Um, let's see, am I supposed tohave a recommendation for this
week?
Lindsay (39:28):
We both can chime in.
I
Jordan (39:30):
mean, I've already given two.
But yeah, I've got actually areally good one.
I've got a good recommendationfor this week, I think.
Lindsay (39:39):
I have a good one since we're talking about farm
animals.
Jordan (39:43):
Yeah, go for it.
Give us a farm animalrecommendation.
Have you ever put
Lindsay (39:47):
beef tallow on your skin?
Jordan (39:50):
No, obviously not.
What?
What?
Actually?
Yeah.
Beef tallow.
Lindsay (39:58):
Beef tallow.
Jordan (39:58):
What skin?
You can.
Any skin?
Your whole body.
Shut up.
I'm
Lindsay (40:02):
not kidding.
You can go to the grocery store.
If you want to do it this way,you can go to the grocery store
meat department andlegitimately, yeah, you can, you
can literally ask.
I know it works out at here atHarman.
Yeah, of course.
But you're like, Hey, I needtallow and it's cheap and you
(40:22):
can put it all over your body.
What?
Jordan (40:26):
Okay.
So what even is tallow?
Cause it's not marrow.
No, um.
How do I not know this?
Is it just fat?
It's like, uh.
Like I know it's definitely gota lot of fats in it.
Lindsay (40:37):
A cooking fat?
Jordan (40:38):
I'm seeing that it's like the hard This is suet.
And beef tallow is rendered downfrom suet, but basically suet is
the hard fatty part of the cowthat surrounds the kidneys.
Wild.
Yeah.
Interesting.
It's
Lindsay (40:52):
like really rich and creamy and um, I
Jordan (40:56):
You just use it like lotion.
You just like
Lindsay (40:58):
splatter it on.
Okay, I haven't actually gottentallow by itself.
Um, like at the grocery store.
I, I buy it from this, I got itas a gift from one of my friends
from this company called Sun andMoo.
It's They have like skincareproducts, Anyways, Sun and Mu is
this company and I use their,their beef tallow like balm.
(41:20):
Yeah.
Incredible.
Okay.
Interesting.
Smells like bacon.
Yeah, I bet.
Literally has like a hint oflike scent of bacon to it.
Wild.
This is for people that are okaywith like meat products on their
body and ingesting and obviouslyall that.
In general, yeah.
But love,
Jordan (41:38):
love, love it.
Interesting.
Lindsay (41:40):
Alright.
That's, Tallo as your likeskincare moisturizer.
All right, tallow, the clear onetallow balm from Sun and Moo is
what I use in the dry.
Jordan (41:57):
The driest, the driest
Lindsay (41:59):
part of winter, the driest part of year, the driest
part of
Jordan (42:03):
Utah.
It's so dry.
My nose is like correct on theinside, everywhere.
It's rough.
Maybe beef tallow will be fixingthat.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's a good recommendation.
I have a kind of like an offbeatrecommendation and it's very
different to that.
Let's hear.
Okay.
So my recommendation is.
(42:24):
You've seen it, the masterpieceof a little seat that my kid has
upstairs.
Oh my
Lindsay (42:31):
gosh, you guys.
This is like perfect becauseIt's not something that you just
go, you got to get this
Jordan (42:42):
product.
No, I mean, you kind of
Lindsay (42:45):
got to start there.
It like totally builds her
Jordan (42:47):
imagination.
It does.
So it started with a box ofgroceries from Costco and we,
you know, we use one of thoselittle boxes to like cart all of
your stuff out.
So we ended up with the, Ibelieve it's the Mexican cheese
blend box.
It's got, it's like, you know, alittle longer than it or yeah,
(43:08):
like a little deeper than it iswide.
And then the whole, it's justthe bottom top, the bottom part
of the box.
Yep.
And the, like, the two shorterends don't have sides, so it's
not a complete box.
It's like, you know, two wallsand then whatever.
So my husband one day thought itwould be cute to like put a
couple little throw pillows init.
So there's one at the seat andthen one making a little back to
(43:31):
the, to the box.
And we've had that thing in ourliving room for like three
months now.
Because my kid's obsessed withit.
Obsessed.
It's her
Lindsay (43:43):
cute
Jordan (43:44):
little chair.
It's her cute little seat.
She
Lindsay (43:46):
loves it.
Everybody go find the Mexicancheddar treat.
Shredded cheese box from Costco.
Jordan (43:54):
Get a pillow.
It doesn't have to be a throwpillow.
It could just be a regular oldpillow.
Make a little back.
Your kid will feel like amillion bucks.
They don't even know what thatis.
But yeah, she loves it.
If we need her to like chill outand watch a show for a sec,
which doesn't happen often, butlet's be honest, like it
definitely happens.
Um, she'll sit in that thing.
I haven't tested for how long,but I guarantee you she would
(44:16):
sit in there for like, I bethours.
I really do bet hours.
That is so cute.
And she'll like take a little,her little book or her little
toy over and sit in her seat.
She loves it.
It's so funny.
So if your kid needs a place tosit that feels just like their
very own, give it a, yeah, givethat a go because it's, yeah, it
was well worth the like zeroeffort that
Lindsay (44:37):
it took.
That's where parenting is at itsbest is like when you can
finagle like some kind of thingfor them to play with.
Like what you have layingaround.
Oh yeah.
It's such a win win becausethey're so happy.
And then you're like, your egogoes up because you're so happy
you came
Jordan (44:56):
up with that idea.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, definitely.
It's the best.
And then you also just didn'thave to spend any of your
resources.
Oh my gosh, or more money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I hate spending money.
On another thing for the child.
Yeah, exactly.
All right.
Cool.
Well, yeah, that's it.
That's, uh, that's our episodefor this little week.
Yeah.
My
Lindsay (45:16):
tea is pretty much
Jordan (45:17):
done.
Yeah.
Mine's not, but I'll get there.
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah, so if you guys areenjoying everything give us a
follow.
We're on Instagram at we havekids podcast Yep, um if you
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that we would really appreciateand tune in next week.
Yeah Yeah Cheers Bye
We've had that thing in our living room for like three
months now.
Because my kid's obsessed withit.
Obsessed.
It's her
Lindsay (00:09):
cute
Jordan (00:10):
little chair.
It's her cute little seat.
She
Lindsay (00:12):
loves it.
Everybody go find the Mexicancheddar treat.
Shredded cheese box from Costco.
Jordan (00:29):
Hi! Hello, hello! Comfy evening at Jordan's house.
Yeah, another comfy, comfylittle meeting.
Lindsay (00:41):
Another meeting.
Jordan and I have many meetingstogether.
Yes,
Jordan (00:44):
we've had two today.
All kinds
Lindsay (00:46):
of meetings.
We have these type of meetings.
We have playdate meetings.
Yeah.
We have drop off meetings.
Swap items.
Jordan (00:58):
Walk meetings.
Yeah.
All kinds Yeah.
We are here to meet each other,Yeah.
Welcome to, welcome back to thepodcast.
We have kids, we do, we havekids.
And another topic.
To talk about yeah, I'm from thelong long long list.
My list is just growing andgrowing.
Yeah, mine is too
Lindsay (01:17):
Yeah, the more the more we have this time in between I'm
Mindblown by like multiplethings in one day Yeah
Jordan (01:27):
Yeah, totally Yeah, I like I've been thinking about
when, um, when we're going toget a little like training potty
already.
If you
Lindsay (01:37):
have a book, I have one for you to help.
I have two for you.
Jordan (01:41):
Okay.
Potty training books?
Yeah.
Okay.
Those are so fun.
Lindsay (01:45):
What are they?
P for Potty with
Jordan (01:47):
Elmo.
Oh, like for the kid to read.
Yeah.
Okay, cute.
I was just like thinking thiswas good for the parents.
Lindsay (01:54):
I have no idea what kind of books for that.
But P for Potty, it's the Elmohardcover and it's got like 30
tabs that flip.
Oh, cute.
And it keeps them like, well, mydaughter's not quite ready for
this yet, but we did get it forher just to kind of like flip
through and play with, but itkeeps them.
flipping through the book forMinutes like long periods of
(02:17):
time.
So I think it's a good one tohave on the potty.
Yeah, that sounds great and thenum Cute, I think it's one that I
had growing up.
I think it's called.
I have a potty It's like thisFrench version author, um, I
have,
Jordan (02:35):
uh, are you looking it up right now?
Lindsay (02:38):
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
Once upon a potty.
Jordan (02:41):
Oh, once upon a potty.
Oh, that's cute.
By
Lindsay (02:43):
Alana Frankel.
I had that and it's the girlone.
I had that when I was a little,little one.
Jordan (02:50):
So, Once Upon a Potty.
Yep, MP
Lindsay (02:52):
for Potty.
Those are great books.
Yeah.
Once Upon a Potty is a good one.
It was like, burned.
Images in my mind.
I open that book and I'm like,this is a book that I for sure
had as a kid because I knowevery single page.
That's
Jordan (03:04):
so weird.
Yeah,
Lindsay (03:05):
it's darling.
It's a cute little book.
Um, so it they're both boardbooks and We have those in our
house.
So if you need a book
Jordan (03:14):
Cool.
Yeah, I recommend I did look inthe potty section at the library
last time we went so I willYeah, i'll maybe take you up on
that.
I don't think we're quite readybut We're kind of to a point
where she's like aware of whathappens on the potty.
I don't know, I haven't done anyresearch about when you're
supposed to start or what cuesyou're meant to look for.
So.
Uh, yeah, keep your eyes tuned,or your eyes tuned, tune those
(03:34):
eyes.
Mm hmm.
That'll be an episode soon, Ithink.
Yeah.
Lindsay (03:38):
And I'm sure you're talking about when you, like,
Mom's gonna go potty,
Jordan (03:43):
Daddy's gonna go potty.
Yeah, definitely.
She's sitting in there with meevery day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lindsay (03:48):
I think that's a very good
Jordan (03:49):
start.
Yeah.
So, yeah, lots of things comingup.
Cool.
Lindsay (03:52):
I'm, I just got, me and my daughter both just got done
with RSV.
Jordan (03:56):
Oh yeah, yuck.
They were out.
They were out for the count.
Yeah.
That lasted like, how long didthat last?
It was ages.
Felt like ages.
For sure two
Lindsay (04:08):
weeks for her.
Because we went into thepediatrician twice.
And I don't know, it was likeday 12.
I went in second time and I waslike, this is not some like
Jordan (04:21):
help.
Yeah.
Someone do something.
Lindsay (04:25):
Yeah.
And thank God we did not have tobe hospitalized or anything, but
man sucks.
We had to stay away fromeverybody.
Jordan (04:36):
Yeah.
We haven't recorded for a whilebecause Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't want to get RSV two Wedon't have that
Lindsay (04:42):
set up where we're both like in separate homes or across
the United States or anythinglike that.
We're together doing ourpodcast, so, yes, I had to stay
far, far away.
Yeah.
Jordan (04:52):
Two blocks away.
But they're better now.
It took a little while.
Yeah.
Our little kiddo was feelingsuper sad.
Yeah,
Lindsay (04:59):
she's better.
I'm getting there.
I'm better.
I'm not contagious.
I'm not contagious.
So, that's
Jordan (05:06):
good.
Yeah.
Still tired, probably.
Lindsay (05:08):
Yeah, my husband's been busy this month.
I've been taking over, primarychild care.
Jordan (05:14):
I would say that you Yeah, can you tell?
That's all I was gonna say.
Like, primary child care is onething, but like, sole child care
is another thing.
Like, you're kind of alreadyalways on primary child
Lindsay (05:28):
care.
Yeah, I am the primary childcare person.
Um, and I have been the sole,well he's gone, the sole
childcare person, which I love,don't get me wrong, I love,
love, love every moment spentwith her, but my mental load
brain has tapped out.
Yeah.
We have, he leaves againtomorrow through the weekend, so
(05:53):
it's a Wednesday through Sunday
Jordan (05:56):
ish.
Oh, tomorrow is
Lindsay (05:57):
Wednesday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so we have.
Playdates ready to go withJordan.
Two playdates, I think, right?
Sure, why not?
We're going to the library.
Yeah.
To get our library card.
Jordan (06:08):
Fun.
Words.
Getting out of that house.
Yeah, we're not sick anymore.
We can
Lindsay (06:14):
go out and about.
We did a park today, which wasso fun.
Yeah, we went to a really coolpark.
Yeah, it's been so nice outsidehere.
Sounds like everybody's having areally warm winter across the
US, but yeah, that doesn't shockme.
Jordan (06:25):
We're having a nice one.
It's been pretty nice.
We had like a, I feel likeJanuary was a little rough.
We had a couple of weeks of juststraight up gray that were
getting a little bit intense formy brain.
But yeah, today I was inliterally in a tank top and
shorts laying in my front on myfront porch reading.
Oh yeah.
Something I was like, Oh, Ihaven't done that in so long.
(06:45):
It felt so good.
That's amazing.
Oh, so good.
Yeah.
Lindsay (06:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a instant boost thatsunlight.
Oh,
Jordan (06:51):
yeah.
It's a huge for me.
It's a huge boost like it's likechanges my whole Physiology.
Yeah, so Yeah, I love the goodweather.
Yeah, so here we are.
So we're back.
We're back We're ready to talkabout kid stuff because we have
kids we're ready to talk aboutthem And all this stuff.
Yeah,
Lindsay (07:08):
uh, we're talking about a big one right now.
Um, just because we're Well,you've been in this phase for a
hot second, I'm entering it,kind of, but you're gonna start
chit chatting about toddler foodrefusal.
Jordan (07:21):
Yes.
Yes.
Here we go.
Yeah, so there was like onething that I wanted to bring up.
And I, like, um, the swipe?
The swipe.
Oh,
Lindsay (07:33):
I know what you're saying.
I know what you're talkingabout.
My first, my first thought waslike, you know, social or
whatever, but
Jordan (07:38):
then I was like, oh, wait a second.
On Instagram, not that kind ofswiping.
We're talking about Tyler Foodor whatever.
This is something that my kiddoes sometimes straight out the
gate and she sometimes waitsuntil she's like, you know,
halfway done with her food orwhatever, or she just maybe
sometimes is feeling like alittle dramatic and wants to
make a statement, but basicallyit's when she's got beautifully,
(08:00):
lovingly prepared food on hertray and, uh, decides that she
wants to just like swipe it alloff onto the floor.
It's really cute.
It's really fun.
And it's been something we'redealing with.
Uh, yeah, we've been dealingwith it for a hot minute.
Yeah.
And she's
Lindsay (08:16):
going as fast as
Jordan (08:17):
possible too.
Oh, she gets it off.
They're so like, so fast.
It's lightning fast.
It's insane.
It's yeah.
Why do they do this?
I don't know Yep, it's not thatfun.
So yeah, that's a little part oftoddler food refusal, which yes,
is what we're going to talkabout.
so there are a couple of thingsto consider when, when we're
talking about the topic oftoddler food refusal that I want
(08:38):
to talk about just a little bitbefore we get, straight out the
gate, because the first thingthat came up when I was
researching this online.
was always the same.
It was always, is your toddlerrefusing food because it's like
a normal toddler behavior or doyou have a picky eater?
Okay.
So something that I didn't knowis that there's a difference.
There's a difference betweenfood refusal and picky eating.
And actually I would havethought that picky eating, it
(09:00):
sounds more docile, but it'sactually the more problematic,
behavior of the two.
And it's not necessarily justtypical toddler behavior.
Um, so food refusal.
It's also called toddlerselectivity.
You may have heard it calledthat.
All right, so yeah, thisbehavior tends to peak around
age two, Most kids go throughthis kind of phase at some point
while they're a toddler, just asthey're gaining their
(09:21):
independence and asserting theirdominance over you as a parent.
Yeah.
And it can take a lot ofdifferent forms.
So my kid loves the swipe.
Like I said, and she, she'lljust swipe at any old time.
It's, it's honestly, it's mostlywhen she's kind of thinks she's
finished, but.
Oftentimes I can get her to eatmore of the food that she's
swiped.
(09:41):
I'll talk about how later.
Got a few tips, but it can belike throwing food.
It can be a little butt aboutgoing into or staying in their
high chair.
Um, throwing a fuss about that.
It could be getting mad aboutlike the specific food you're
serving or wanting somethingdifferent.
it could be, they're just onlyeating a little and then they're
like, yeah, I'm all done.
(10:01):
And you're like, no, you'redefinitely not.
sometimes they spit food out.
And then yeah, generally likewith the food refusal, they're
just showing an inconsistenteating, pattern, whereas with
picky eating, like it's its ownwhole thing.
Okay.
Um, it's something to, they sayit's something to worry about a
little bit more because it canbe a sign that there's.
like a bigger underlying issue.
(10:22):
Very interesting.
Happening like maybe the kid hasanxiety or is having difficulty
with like their sensoryprocessing is another thing it
could be from.
I feel like I hear a
Lindsay (10:30):
lot about picky eaters.
Jordan (10:33):
Yeah, like I didn't I like okay, so there I did hear a
little bit on Instagram like Ifollow only one Toddler food
chick and she's great.
I'll talk about her in like aminute, but that's the only
place I had ever heard of itfrom.
Yeah, but it can be a sign that.
Like, it could be just that yourkid's going through an
especially difficult toddlerphase, but it could also be a
sign of something underlying.
(10:53):
So typically they say to, um,get some kind of help and like
look into that a little bit.
One resource that I would loveto shout out is something that
Lindsay and I have already knownabout.
It's a called Solid Starts.
Yeah, they're awesome.
They're awesome for all thingsfood.
Lindsay (11:09):
All things like, even like choking hazards and like
what it could look like and whateven like gagging, like gagging
or versus choking.
Like I,
Jordan (11:18):
I appreciate your Minnesota accent just came out
so much.
Yeah.
When you said gagging, I waslike, where's she going to go
with this?
I didn't think you were going tosay gagging.
I
Lindsay (11:29):
bet you're right.
I don't like, I did change theword bag.
I think I've talked about thatbefore.
You
Jordan (11:34):
didn't though.
You say it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I go back and forth.
Man.
Anyway, sorry, I had to pointthat out.
Yeah, where were we?
Solid Start.
Solid Start.
So good.
Such a great resource.
It's a great resource.
They have, it's a paid, mostly apaid resource, but they did
have, a bundle for toddler foodrefusal and toddlers eating
(11:59):
generally.
And then also they have some, aspecific set of like questions
that they go through with you todetermine whether your kid is a
picky eater.
So if you're wondering, ifyou're like, this kind of sounds
like my kid, how do I know?
Go to Solid Start's website.
That's definitely, definitely aresource to check out.
And the other girl who I wasgoing to mention too is the one
who I said I follow onInstagram.
(12:20):
Her handle is kidseatincolor, Ithink that's the one you shared
with me.
Yeah.
So she's really good.
Her website actually has a lotof free, information on it.
So that's a really good place tocheck out too.
She
Lindsay (12:32):
is awesome.
Every time she posts.
Just so intrigued by watchingwhat she's doing and what's
going on.
And like, Oh, okay.
Jordan (12:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Her information is great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's really palatable.
It's like, yep.
Very small, chunked down for thebusy mom to just like.
Absorb real quick.
Lindsay (12:48):
And she's really good with how to conversate with
your, with your toddler andchild.
Yeah.
Jordan (12:52):
About the foods that you're eating and why you eat
them.
And yeah, all sorts.
Yeah.
Very cool.
Yeah.
She's great.
So quick shout out to her.
She's awesome.
Lindsay (13:00):
Jennifer Anderson.
Jennifer
Jordan (13:02):
Anderson.
Kids eat in color.
Kids eat in color.
Perfect.
1.
9
Lindsay (13:05):
million
Jordan (13:06):
followers.
Whoa, really?
Oh, she doesn't need our shoutout.
No.
She is set.
Dang, I had no idea she had thatmany followers.
That is
Lindsay (13:15):
a of great highlights too.
Jordan (13:18):
She's so good.
There's actually somethingreally cool on her website that
I found while I was looking thisstuff up.
So, if there's a specific typeof food, your kid hasn't been
open to and you want some helpkind of coming up with creative
new ways to offer it to thembecause obviously exposure,
exposure, exposure is going tomake you crazy.
Like you don't want to have tocut, you've got so much on your
(13:38):
plate already.
You don't want to come up withcreative ways to feed your kid
the same food that they've beenrefusing.
So there's a section on the kidseating color website where you
can choose that specific foodand it'll walk you through like
an activity.
You can do with that food withyour kid, it will tell you how
to talk about it specificallywith your kid.
It will tell you different waysto serve it to your kid that you
(13:58):
probably haven't thought ofalready.
And like, yeah, it's, it'scrazy.
And it's a free resource.
Lindsay (14:05):
She's got like recipes and everything straight for
like,
Jordan (14:08):
it's tons.
Yeah, Lindsay, she has tons ofcontent.
And obviously she has some paidcontent, too, that's probably
incredible, but the stuff she'sgiving away for free is just, it
feels like a gift.
So, go check it out because it'sso fun.
Like, even, even though my kidwill eat a lot of foods, there
were some on there that I wantedto just, like, Check out the
activities and stuff justbecause it's like something fun
(14:30):
to do.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, so yeah, definitely givethat resource a go.
It's super cool Alright, so,gonna put picky eating to the
side now.
there's also this one otherthing I wanted to mention.
It's called neophobia.
Have you heard of it?
You have heard of it?
How am I not hearing about anyof this?
I hope this is news for someoneelse out there besides me.
I mean, Lindsay knows tons ofstuff, but I have never heard of
(14:53):
this.
It's, something that can happenspontaneously.
It's got roots in evolution.
Basically what it is, is, Imean, it's a phobia, it's what
it sounds like, but it's aphobia, a fear of like new
foods.
Yes.
Just generally.
Yeah.
And it's not the same as pickyeating, apparently.
Okay.
Yeah.
Those are like two totallydifferent things.
The neophobia can have somethingto do with like texture and so
can picky eating.
(15:14):
So it'd probably be kind of hardto distinguish, but the
neophobia could be for certaincolors, certain textures, a
specific type of food.
Lindsay (15:22):
Or like, or like if all eyes are watching them try this
new food and they're just like,what?
Jordan (15:27):
Maybe, yeah, maybe something like that.
Like it's just like the pressurecan be intense.
Um, yeah, so they say it'sevolutionary because obviously
we had to like learn todifferentiate foods that we
could eat from foods that wecouldn't.
Yeah.
And so imagine that.
Yeah, it's crazy to think about.
I always am like, how did wesurvive as a species?
Like kids are so useless.
(15:49):
Not useless, but man, they'renot good at figuring out what
they can and can't eat.
They just eat everything for awhile.
And then nothing for a while.
Like, what are we anyway, ifyour kids, if your kid is
experiencing neophobia, they saythe best thing to do is just
keep exposing them to the food.
Like that exposure is crazy,crazy important with toddlers
(16:11):
that if they're refusing acertain type of food or they're
not liking a certain type offood, they say to try the food
like over 20 times before yougive up trying that food and
just maybe not like every singleday, but yeah.
Every few days, like reintroduceit, reintroduce it, so, and that
can help with the neophobiabecause then they'll learn that
it's a food that they can eat.
So, there are some reasons whyyour child might be refusing
(16:35):
food.
apart from just the fact thatthey're gaining independence and
it's going to happen anyway.
So the questions to ask yourselfare, is your child coming to the
table hungry?
to figure this out, you can askyourself whether they're grazing
or snacking a lot during theday.
Are they drinking more than 16ounces of any kind of milk, or
do they nurse a whole bunchthroughout the day?
And are mealtimes inconsistent?
(16:56):
So if you answered yes to any ofthose, then your kid might not
be hungry when they're coming toeat.
Okay, anyway, so, What can wedo?
What can we do about foodrefusal?
Tell us what to do with theswipe.
First of all, if you're gettingfrustrated that your, that your
kids refusing their food, thefirst thing I'm going to
recommend to you is to go onReddit.
(17:22):
I went on Reddit and I waslooking at the threads about
picky eating and food refusal,and I was like some of these
poor moms were just having a.
Day, like you could tell they'rejust ready to put their head in
the wall, like read it, hanganymore.
So maybe that made me feelbetter.
I know that's messed up.
It's a time warp.
(17:42):
I know it is a time warp.
I didn't get stuck there toolong, but it will make you feel
like you're not the only personout there with this issue.
So give that a shot.
Um, and then one of my favoritetips is this is going to be like
a bit of a list of tips, but thefirst thing to remember is that
it's actually really hard.
for your kid to eat.
Like it's difficult.
It's not like we can eat somindlessly and I do.
(18:03):
I eat so mindlessly so much ofthe time, but it's like when I
watch my kid eating with a forkor a spoon or even sometimes
with her hands, it, I can seethe amount of concentration that
it's requiring of her.
And then I'm like, Oh yeah, no.
Like she's experiencing all ofthese things for the first time.
This is tricky.
I don't know if you've evertaken mushrooms and tried to eat
something.
(18:24):
I haven't.
No, I like what I have ever, butit would probably, it's probably
difficult.
It's probably hard.
I just bought
Lindsay (18:31):
my daughter a fork today.
Oh, did you?
So it's her first fork.
She's been doing great with thespoon and everything, but now
we're gonna try a fork and I
Jordan (18:39):
have no idea.
My kid actually does better.
Well, it depends on the food,but she okay.
She's really good with a fork.
She's been eating with a forkfor a little like a hot minute
now.
Good.
Yeah, so I'm going to skip to,that's a nice segue.
That's another good tip.
So when my kid starts to swipe,that's when I'll offer her
utensils.
Okay.
Unless it's something like ifshe's eating like chia pudding
(19:00):
or oatmeal or like cottagecheese or something, I'll give
her that with a spoon and justlet her self feed.
She's pretty good at that.
It gets everywhere, but she,like.
Does she
Lindsay (19:08):
do better when she gets that utensil?
Yes.
See, I, she totally does.
Yeah.
I wonder if she thinks likefinger food is like playtime,
you
Jordan (19:16):
know?
Like, yeah.
Or maybe it's even the opposite.
Like she, I can tell when shepicks up the fork that she's
like ready to like, get serious.
Wow.
Like, she like gets her likewhole persona changes and she's
like, going to tackle thischallenge.
Like it's, it's like not aboutthe food at that point, and
whether she's like reallyhungry.
Oh, I love that.
But she does eat so much moreonce I give her that fork or a
(19:38):
spoon, if it's.
If that makes sense.
Um, so I usually just give it,give her food as finger food
first, and then let her get kindof frustrated because she'll be
quicker with the finger food.
And then once she kind of thinksshe's going to swipe it all off,
I'll just be like, Hey, do youwant a fork?
And she'll be like, fork.
And I'm like, okay, cool.
Have the fork.
And then she usually eats almostall of the rest of it, which is
(20:00):
great.
Another thing you can do whenthey get to that point where
they're like throwing their foodor throwing a fit or whatever
your kid does is offer.
A dip.
Yes.
Dips.
Dips are our best friend rightnow.
Like our best best friend.
Lindsay (20:16):
I remember when you were telling me that you guys
Introduce her to ketchup.
Oh, yeah.
For her, like, what was it?
Ground beef or something.
Yes.
Jordan (20:24):
Uh huh.
That was it.
Yeah.
She was swiping it.
I was like, no, this isn'thappening.
Yeah.
Do you want to dip?
And she just goes dip, dip, dip,dip and gets so excited.
Yeah, it started with somepancakes.
I was making her these reallygood pancakes.
And you were just talking aboutpancakes the other day.
That's so funny.
Um, but yeah, I was making herthese pancakes that are just
basically like oats, banana, eggand milk.
(20:45):
Yeah.
And you just blend it up and youmake a cute little pancake.
They're really good.
Um, well, I don't think they'rethat good.
She loves them and they're likenutritious.
Yeah,
Lindsay (20:54):
I know.
I've tried
Jordan (20:55):
some of those and I'm like, what?
They don't taste great, butwe're like accustomed to like
slutty American pancakes, so.
Um, that makes sense.
Yes.
Um, but yeah, so we, I mean, Itry not to make her pancakes
because obviously the, the mostsensible dip for that is maple
syrup and she has had a littleand she obviously loves that,
but I'll just give her like alittle like dime size amount on
(21:17):
her tray and then, yeah, we'veonly done ketchup a couple of
times with like ground beef andmaybe eggs, but that's one of
the things.
She'll do really well with afork with um, but if it's
something else like a sweetpotato or a vegetable I'll just
put a little olive oil on thetray Oh, yeah, and let her dip
it even in like melted butter orolive oil and you don't need to
(21:39):
put a lot on the tray Just likeyou know, a nickel sized amount
and it's enough for her to getexcited and like think she's
doing something new It's reallynice.
Yeah, so give that a shot Yeah,yeah.
You don't have to use likeunhealthy, crazy dips.
Well, at least not when yourkid's my kid's age.
Maybe once she like, it's, risesup to the fact that olive oil is
(22:01):
not a dip.
I'll be in trouble, but, um,yeah.
So another thing you can do iseat the same foods with them at
the same time.
Let the mirror neurons take overa little bit.
That one's good.
Um, that one's really good forthe neophobia too, just cause
they can see that the food issafe.
Um, let's see, you could try thefood in a different form.
(22:24):
So, an example of this tonight,we were having some salmon.
And we had it with some sweetpotatoes.
And she was not digging thesalmon too much after a little
bit, but she was really likingthe sweet potatoes.
Sweet potato, so basically Iwould just take a little sweet
potato and like mush it betweenmy fingers and just sandwich a
little piece of salmon in thereand pop it in her mouth.
I'm sure everyone's gottendesperate enough to try
(22:45):
something like this.
Right.
That works really nicely if youcan do that.
Yeah.
Lindsay (22:50):
Yeah, that sweet potato, those are nice because
they like hide flavors prettywell.
Jordan (22:55):
They do.
And textures too, I think,probably.
I haven't tried it because Idon't really want to eat my fish
sandwich in between clumps ofsweet potato.
But yeah, I've got a feelingit's probably good.
So the next thing that I wouldsay is, one thing that became
really important with us for ourkid is to offer her foods one at
a time.
So instead of, I really likedputting everything on the tray
(23:17):
and seeing the nice like rainbowcolors and it looks all cute and
it looks like I really careabout her a lot.
Of course, of course.
And I work in a food company.
food and beverage.
So yeah, I am caring aboutpresentation for my one year
old.
Um, but for her, what actuallyworks better is to have one food
at a time and starting with theone that she's least likely to
(23:38):
finish.
So tonight, for example, I gaveher the fish first and then the
sweet potato and then the greenbeans cause she actually loves
green beans.
And then finally I gave her astrawberry for like after
dinner, she loves it.
She loves her strawberries.
That has helped us a lot.
Like in the morning, we'll giveher an egg first and then chia
pudding and then fruit orwhatever it is.
(23:59):
Sure.
So that can be really helpful.
And the last thing that we'vetried, that I was just gonna
mention, isn't always obvious.
Sometimes she asks for it, butsometimes she doesn't.
She just wants a drink.
So sometimes she just wants somewater.
Like if it's a texture thing, orif her, I mean we do the same
thing when we eat.
If we eat something kind of dry,then we want to wash it down
(24:19):
with something.
Um, so you can definitely try.
Giving your kids some water orsomething else to drink and
it'll help with the texture thetexture thing So that's the
stuff that we've done There area couple other tips that I
thought might be worthmentioning The first is to avoid
pressuring the child to eat.
I think this is something that'skind of been made really popular
(24:40):
in the kind of media andliterature around this here
Basically, what they say is thismore often backfires and makes,
like, if your kid's on the trackfor picky eating, it will make
picky eating worse.
so included, in this is usingkind of neutral language about
foods,, so if your kid says,this is gross or yuck, or makes
(25:02):
any comment like that.
You don't argue with them andyou're not saying, Oh, this is
good.
Like, watch, I'm going to eatit.
It's so good.
Instead, you tell them factsabout the food.
Like for avocado, for example,you tell them, This is green.
It's squishy.
It's soft.
You can use words like that thatare descriptive instead of
saying it's It's good.
It's healthy.
It's whatever.
(25:22):
Right.
Lindsay (25:23):
Creamy.
Jordan (25:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like that.
Yeah.
So I'm going to maybe startpracticing doing that because it
sounds nice.
It sounds fun.
And also my kids learning hercolors.
So that'll help with that too.
Yeah.
yes.
And then finally, my last littletip for you here is to take a
long deep breath.
And remember that it'stemporary.
(25:45):
You can get through it.
Find support I'll be reachingout to you.
Yeah, please
Lindsay (25:49):
do.
A few months ahead of us.
But yeah, you're my good reachout person.
Jordan (25:55):
Oh, you know what?
I could also talk about herejust real quick.
I know I said I was done, butthere is actually one more
recommendation.
This should go in ourrecommendation section, but it's
off the cuff.
So here we go.
Is it off the cuff or off thecusp?
Lindsay (26:08):
Off the cuff.
I think it's off.
That is off the, uh oh, off thecuff.
Off the cuff.
Without
Jordan (26:16):
preparation.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
This is off the cuff.
Coming at you off the cuff.
Lindsay (26:21):
What does off the cuff mean?
Made without being prepared orthought about
Jordan (26:25):
in advance.
Okay.
There you go.
Yep.
Yeah, I did not think about thisin advance.
This fits.
Okay.
So the thing is, I don't know ify'all out there have ever heard
of a bench scraper.
If you've heard of this, that'sreally cool.
You probably work in arestaurant.
If you haven't heard of this youprobably don't.
So it's basically, it looks likea big, like slab of, uh, not,
(26:49):
not even that big of a slab ofmetal.
How do I describe this?
So if you've ever seen like a.
Cleaving knife
Lindsay (26:53):
thick or a huge
Jordan (26:55):
chef's knife.
Yeah, like really chunky squareone It's basically it kind of
looks similar to that exceptit's not sharp at the bottom
It's just like a blunt metaledge.
And then the top is like ahandle like a flower scraper
It's like four by five, right?
Yeah, probably about like fourby five and then yeah, it just
has like a little Cylindricalplastic handle at the top.
(27:17):
Yes.
It's the best.
So it's the very best thing.
It's great for like Picking up abunch of vegetables and throwing
them in the pot all at once fromyour chopping board but the best
thing that we use it for everysingle like three times a day is
Scraping off the floor all ofthat food that my kid has swiped
off her tray It's so good forthat because you don't want to
be using your broom for avocadoNo, you know and eggs you're
(27:40):
like and you also don't wantthem to stay on the floor until
they get hard enough to sweepWhich
Lindsay (27:44):
is sometimes I'm tempted so you're using it
before For as you're preparingyour meal and then you're saving
it for after.
And then
Jordan (27:49):
we give it an immediate clean because it's being put, it
honestly is the thing we use inour, we use it more than our
knives right now.
I'm not even joking.
It's stupid.
I'd love that.
You'll use it.
You'll use it forever.
All right.
And that's it.
That's pretty much it.
Take a deep breath.
You can get through it.
We have faith in you.
Your kid will make it.
Yeah.
I love that.
And you're doing a good job.
(28:10):
Keep going.
Keep
Lindsay (28:12):
going.
And breathe.
Jordan (28:14):
And breathe.
And try again.
Tomorrow and the next day.
Yeah.
And the next day.
Lindsay (28:20):
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, I'd love that though.
Yeah.
We have a puppy and she, She'san adult.
Yeah, she's two.
She's an
Jordan (28:28):
adult.
I feel like she's, She's alwaysgonna be a little puppy
Lindsay (28:31):
in your heart.
Yeah.
We always say puppy because It'smy daughter's puppy if you will,
but she loves to sit at at thebottom.
Oh,
Jordan (28:40):
yeah She's getting she's getting some auxiliary.
Lindsay (28:42):
Yeah, my daughter's definitely given her like It's
so interesting because she willtake her scrambled egg and eat
It and she'll also give it tothe dog you like Randomly a bite
here and there and she'llcontinue to eat it herself.
Like she's, that's so, oh, she'staking care of her.
She's not giving all her food tothe dog.
(29:02):
So cute.
So she's going back
Jordan (29:04):
and forth a little bit.
Oh, that's
Lindsay (29:05):
fresh.
Yeah.
We haven't had a lot of toddlerrefusal from her quite yet.
The spitting out food thing ishappening, but it's definitely
at the end when she's full.
Mm.
Yeah.
Um, so that's common.
Uh, she's not a fan of.
Grated apples.
Like the texture.
Jordan (29:22):
Oh, interesting.
I've never given my kid gratedapples.
She loves
Lindsay (29:27):
like soft apples or applesauce.
But sometimes I was like, I'mjust going to grate this up in
her yogurt and see what happens.
And she's just not
Jordan (29:34):
into it.
No, not into the
Lindsay (29:35):
grated stuff.
That's so funny.
Yeah, and if we don't offer herfood on a plate first, she loves
her food on a plate.
Really?
Yes.
That's so funny.
Loves it.
And if we don't bring the plateof food to her, she's like
immediate tears.
No way! Cause she thinks thatlike we're gonna feed her, you
know, spoon feed her orsomething.
(29:56):
And she just wants to be able todo it herself.
Cause sometimes I have like alittle oatmeal and I do have
like a little bowl of that offto the side that I bring over,
but like.
If it's not in her plate.
Ready to go.
She's bummed.
She's so
Jordan (30:10):
bummed.
Oh no.
Lindsay (30:12):
That's so cute.
We'll see how long this,
Jordan (30:14):
like, lettuce or whatever.
Oh, that's so funny.
Yeah, so she loves her plate.
Yeah.
I don't know.
what's funny?
Me and Lindsay have the samelittle plate.
It's like the little easy peasy.
Yeah.
Um, it's like a little bowlplate that sticks to the
surface.
I love that thing.
I do too.
I don't use it the same way youdo.
Lindsay (30:32):
Please tell me how you use, how you're using it.
Oh my god, what?
The
Jordan (30:36):
only way I use this is, I use it for my kids snack and
that's usually like a littlelike bar or like a piece of
fruit or something cut up.
And then I, I put it, I just putit on the floor and she eats
like a little dog.
Oh, I love that.
It's so funny.
Lindsay (30:54):
Cause it looks like
Jordan (30:55):
a little dish, like a little fountain.
Yeah, I mean, she doesn't likeget on all fours and eat like a
dog.
She just, you know, she sitsdown next to it and picks it
out.
No, we
Lindsay (31:02):
cannot do that in our
Jordan (31:03):
house.
No, she would be there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's something that I probablyshouldn't.
I don't think this is arecommendation.
Lindsay (31:11):
I
Jordan (31:13):
just don't care to see every single time she has a
snack.
It seems like so much work.
That's so funny.
Yeah.
So that's the only time we usethat.
So.
Cool.
There you go.
Yeah.
Another
Lindsay (31:27):
feud refusal.
What a journey.
It's a journey.
Jordan (31:30):
And a phase.
Hopefully a phase.
Lindsay (31:34):
Um.
We have a trend.
Well, I mean, there's alwaystrending topics, right?
And there's alwaysrecommendation topics.
Yeah,
Jordan (31:42):
always.
So, I So, I guess it's beentrending.
I, this
Lindsay (31:46):
isn't necessarily has anything to do with toddler food
refusal, but it's food.
Okay.
And it's trending.
Alright.
And I don't know if it'strending because it's happening
a lot in my life and surround,and everything.
It's happening all around me,like literally here in Utah and
back in Minnesota and in KansasCity.
I have family in Kansas City.
Jordan (32:05):
I don't know if I know where this is going.
Uh, everyone's making sourdoughagain.
Oh, shit.
The sourdough.
Everyone's making sourdough.
I just, I just remembered that Idid not feed your starter today.
That's okay.
And I was supposed to.
I don't even know.
I should probably check on thatafter this actually.
Okay.
I'll make Jocelyn help me.
Lindsay (32:25):
Yeah, I need to get starter from you or I'll just
get
Jordan (32:28):
it another way.
No, I have it's in my fridgeright now.
I have your starter in myfridge.
Do you have to feed that thingevery day?
No, uh, sometimes.
I don't know.
But I have not fed yours.
And it, no, I, you definitelydon't always have to feed it
every day.
I think there may becircumstances where you do need
to feed it every day.
(32:50):
I don't know.
If you want it.
Lindsay, I don't know.
But I know that yours doesn'tneed to be fed every day.
There are resources.
Lindsay (32:56):
For sure.
There are Facebook groups.
There are Instagram pages.
I'm for sure.
Instagram pages, whatever.
Instagram profiles.
Jordan (33:04):
Profiles.
Yeah, that's the word.
I didn't even clock that.
Like not even a little
Lindsay (33:09):
bit.
Legitimate millennial y'all.
Like I'm like with it, but thenI'm also like calling it like
Instagram pages.
Um, okay.
So no, everyone's makingfricking sourdough.
My friends in Minnesota can'tget.
Bread flour.
What?
Like, on the shelf.
Jordan (33:28):
Wow.
Like, it's
Lindsay (33:29):
gone.
And I don't know if this iscoming back up in, okay, it was
COVID.
Jordan (33:33):
COVID, obviously.
Everyone
Lindsay (33:35):
was making bread and everyone was making sourdough.
For sure.
And then I don't know if it hassomething to do with grocery
prices going back up.
Probably.
And, uh, people are just like,screw
Jordan (33:49):
it.
Let's make my own bread.
I mean, shit, dude, you go tothe store and you buy a loaf of
sourdough, costs like tendollars.
Yeah, it's a lot.
It's crazy.
Lindsay (33:57):
Yeah, and this stuff is like easy on a lot of people's
digestive systems.
It's like, you can make allkinds of stuff with the discard.
Like if it, like if that starterupstairs is not doing well, I
can make Pancakes out of it.
What?
Discard.
Sourdough discard.
That's so cool.
Thanks so much.
was left.
Okay, My cousin in Kansas shegot a starter from her neighbor
(34:20):
that's 150 years old.
What?
How's
Jordan (34:24):
that even like freaking?
Wait, that's from the 1800s.
Oh, she got sourdough from the1800s.
Starter.
Can you believe that?
No.
Actually, no.
Anyways.
That's insane.
150 years old.
Lindsay (34:40):
Right.
So I don't know if it's actuallytrending.
I mean, this podcast ishopefully going to make it
worldwide, but I don't know ifeveryone in the world is doing
sourdough right now, but itseems like everyone across the
country.
I have many people, manyresources.
They're all like talking aboutsourdough all at the same time.
Yeah,
Jordan (34:56):
I mean, I clearly need to get on this.
Yeah.
My sister works with, like,breads and doughs and things
like that anyway, but yeah, shemade some excellent sourdoughs
just last week.
So you're not, like, you're,maybe you're not wrong.
Lindsay (35:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Neighbor across the street'slike, I made bread.
Do you want one?
I'm like, yes.
Jordan (35:13):
Yes.
Yes, I would love
Lindsay (35:14):
that.
We love sourdough bread in ourhome.
So anyways, that's my, like,trending topic right now because
they're just fascinating and youcan do so much with
Jordan (35:24):
sourdough.
Yeah.
Great for kids to eat.
What else can you do with thediscard, I wonder?
You were telling me about likegranola.
Yeah, so King Arthur
Lindsay (35:33):
very popular like flour brand.
And they have a recipe forsourdough discard granola.
That just sounds crazy to me.
It's like the wet
Jordan (35:43):
ingredient.
Yeah,
Lindsay (35:44):
It is not the only wet ingredient.
They do have oil and they dohave maple syrup in it.
But how crazy is that you canjust add
Jordan (35:52):
your sourdough.
That's so cool.
I actually think that's
Lindsay (35:55):
really cool.
Yeah.
And then, I don't know if youknow who Ballerina Farm is.
She's here in Utah, she haseight kids and just did the
world pageant.
She did the world pageant, Ithink eight or ten days
postpartum.
Jordan (36:11):
The world, like, not beauty pageant.
World beauty pageant.
You're kidding.
What?
Ballerina
Lindsay (36:16):
Farm.
Um, Hannah, She is huge sour.
They have a farm out in Kamis.
Oh, okay.
And they have a dairy farm andthey have pigs and they have,
um, all kinds of stuff and it'sreally cool.
You can get like, boxes sent toyour home of their pastries and
bacon.
Oh, wow.
That's cool.
And, um, they're gonna, they'reopening up a creamery out at
their house now too.
(36:37):
Yum.
Which is really cool.
That's cool.
She is a huge sourdough makerand it's, her Instagram is
pretty fascinating to watch andsee what she can do with all
this sourdough.
But she makes all kinds ofpastries and all kinds of
goodies She's got really greatrecipes on her website for
sourdough.
Cool.
Just go.
Jordan (36:58):
Yeah, I just checked this out and it says the
sourdough discard works well inBakes goods that don't require
lively yeast.
So like crackers, tortillas,pancakes.
Oh, okay.
You can use it to flavorrecipes.
That's really cool.
Yeah.
Lindsay (37:13):
Anyways.
Jordan (37:14):
Yeah, I love some sourdough.
I wanna, I wanna get some.
No.
Lindsay (37:19):
Best grilled cheese ever in your life is Homemade
sourdough with, like, rich Agedcheddar, raw cheddar, like grass
fed butter, like rich
Jordan (37:30):
salted butter, oh my god.
That sounds so
Lindsay (37:33):
good.
I don't know if I could everhave grilled cheese that's not
that, ever
Jordan (37:37):
again.
Yeah, no I would love that rightnow, I just ate it and it still
sounds so good.
Yum.
Anyways.
Speaking of cheddar, just realquick, for anyone out there with
a Costco membership, I've beenlooking for cheddar.
For my British husband in theUnited States for like the five
years that we've spent heretogether, never found any.
(37:57):
That suits his very, particularpalette.
I would like to know what helikes.
Oh, I have some in the fridge.
Okay.
Finally, Lindsay, for the firsttime in the history of our
relationship, I found him somecheese in the United States.
That is like.
Up to his standard in terms ofcheddar.
So I'll give you some, it's a, Idon't know what it's called, but
(38:18):
it's got a union Jack on it.
I spotted it out of the cornerof my eye and the cheese aisle
at Costco.
And it was like, I wonder ifthat's a British cheddar.
And I looked and it was, wow.
It's like a West country.
Style British cheddar.
I'll let you try it.
Okay.
It's kind of got like more ofit's definitely way sharper and
has like kind of a littlecrystal.
Yeah, I love that.
It's so good.
(38:39):
So yeah, go check that out guys.
If you like a sharp cheddar, sogood.
Costco's got it now.
Yeah.
Cool.
So many random recommendationshere, but give it a go.
All right.
Did you want to keep going withthe sourdough stuff?
Lindsay (38:53):
I mean, I could just talk and talk and talk about
like Food.
I couldn't
Jordan (39:02):
leave that in, that was funny.
Yeah.
Oh, gold.
So could I.
Lindsay (39:12):
Anyways, there's gotta be some great sourdough recipe
books
Jordan (39:15):
out there.
Yeah.
There's gotta be.
Let's go find some.
Send us some bread.
Lindsay (39:21):
Yeah.
Jordan (39:23):
Alright, cool.
Um, let's see, am I supposed tohave a recommendation for this
week?
Lindsay (39:28):
We both can chime in.
I
Jordan (39:30):
mean, I've already given two.
But yeah, I've got actually areally good one.
I've got a good recommendationfor this week, I think.
Lindsay (39:39):
I have a good one since we're talking about farm
animals.
Jordan (39:43):
Yeah, go for it.
Give us a farm animalrecommendation.
Have you ever put
Lindsay (39:47):
beef tallow on your skin?
Jordan (39:50):
No, obviously not.
What?
What?
Actually?
Yeah.
Beef tallow.
Lindsay (39:58):
Beef tallow.
Jordan (39:58):
What skin?
You can.
Any skin?
Your whole body.
Shut up.
I'm
Lindsay (40:02):
not kidding.
You can go to the grocery store.
If you want to do it this way,you can go to the grocery store
meat department andlegitimately, yeah, you can, you
can literally ask.
I know it works out at here atHarman.
Yeah, of course.
But you're like, Hey, I needtallow and it's cheap and you
(40:22):
can put it all over your body.
What?
Jordan (40:26):
Okay.
So what even is tallow?
Cause it's not marrow.
No, um.
How do I not know this?
Is it just fat?
It's like, uh.
Like I know it's definitely gota lot of fats in it.
Lindsay (40:37):
A cooking fat?
Jordan (40:38):
I'm seeing that it's like the hard This is suet.
And beef tallow is rendered downfrom suet, but basically suet is
the hard fatty part of the cowthat surrounds the kidneys.
Wild.
Yeah.
Interesting.
It's
Lindsay (40:52):
like really rich and creamy and um, I
Jordan (40:56):
You just use it like lotion.
You just like
Lindsay (40:58):
splatter it on.
Okay, I haven't actually gottentallow by itself.
Um, like at the grocery store.
I, I buy it from this, I got itas a gift from one of my friends
from this company called Sun andMoo.
It's They have like skincareproducts, Anyways, Sun and Mu is
this company and I use their,their beef tallow like balm.
(41:20):
Yeah.
Incredible.
Okay.
Interesting.
Smells like bacon.
Yeah, I bet.
Literally has like a hint oflike scent of bacon to it.
Wild.
This is for people that are okaywith like meat products on their
body and ingesting and obviouslyall that.
In general, yeah.
But love,
Jordan (41:38):
love, love it.
Interesting.
Lindsay (41:40):
Alright.
That's, Tallo as your likeskincare moisturizer.
All right, tallow, the clear onetallow balm from Sun and Moo is
what I use in the dry.
Jordan (41:57):
The driest, the driest
Lindsay (41:59):
part of winter, the driest part of year, the driest
part of
Jordan (42:03):
Utah.
It's so dry.
My nose is like correct on theinside, everywhere.
It's rough.
Maybe beef tallow will be fixingthat.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's a good recommendation.
I have a kind of like an offbeatrecommendation and it's very
different to that.
Let's hear.
Okay.
So my recommendation is.
(42:24):
You've seen it, the masterpieceof a little seat that my kid has
upstairs.
Oh my
Lindsay (42:31):
gosh, you guys.
This is like perfect becauseIt's not something that you just
go, you got to get this
Jordan (42:42):
product.
No, I mean, you kind of
Lindsay (42:45):
got to start there.
It like totally builds her
Jordan (42:47):
imagination.
It does.
So it started with a box ofgroceries from Costco and we,
you know, we use one of thoselittle boxes to like cart all of
your stuff out.
So we ended up with the, Ibelieve it's the Mexican cheese
blend box.
It's got, it's like, you know, alittle longer than it or yeah,
(43:08):
like a little deeper than it iswide.
And then the whole, it's justthe bottom top, the bottom part
of the box.
Yep.
And the, like, the two shorterends don't have sides, so it's
not a complete box.
It's like, you know, two wallsand then whatever.
So my husband one day thought itwould be cute to like put a
couple little throw pillows init.
So there's one at the seat andthen one making a little back to
(43:31):
the, to the box.
And we've had that thing in ourliving room for like three
months now.
Because my kid's obsessed withit.
Obsessed.
It's her
Lindsay (43:43):
cute
Jordan (43:44):
little chair.
It's her cute little seat.
She
Lindsay (43:46):
loves it.
Everybody go find the Mexicancheddar treat.
Shredded cheese box from Costco.
Jordan (43:54):
Get a pillow.
It doesn't have to be a throwpillow.
It could just be a regular oldpillow.
Make a little back.
Your kid will feel like amillion bucks.
They don't even know what thatis.
But yeah, she loves it.
If we need her to like chill outand watch a show for a sec,
which doesn't happen often, butlet's be honest, like it
definitely happens.
Um, she'll sit in that thing.
I haven't tested for how long,but I guarantee you she would
(44:16):
sit in there for like, I bethours.
I really do bet hours.
That is so cute.
And she'll like take a little,her little book or her little
toy over and sit in her seat.
She loves it.
It's so funny.
So if your kid needs a place tosit that feels just like their
very own, give it a, yeah, givethat a go because it's, yeah, it
was well worth the like zeroeffort that
Lindsay (44:37):
it took.
That's where parenting is at itsbest is like when you can
finagle like some kind of thingfor them to play with.
Like what you have layingaround.
Oh yeah.
It's such a win win becausethey're so happy.
And then you're like, your egogoes up because you're so happy
you came
Jordan (44:56):
up with that idea.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, definitely.
It's the best.
And then you also just didn'thave to spend any of your
resources.
Oh my gosh, or more money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I hate spending money.
On another thing for the child.
Yeah, exactly.
All right.
Cool.
Well, yeah, that's it.
That's, uh, that's our episodefor this little week.
Yeah.
My
Lindsay (45:16):
tea is pretty much
Jordan (45:17):
done.
Yeah.
Mine's not, but I'll get there.
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah, so if you guys areenjoying everything give us a
follow.
We're on Instagram at we havekids podcast Yep, um if you
really have been liking ourstuff would mean a lot to us if
you could rate and review usthat's something you could do
(45:38):
that we would really appreciateand tune in next week.
Yeah Yeah Cheers Bye
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