September 11, 2024 • 42 mins
Sometimes parenting feels like it's just a big mess of adapting to change. In this episode, we dive into one of the big ones - the transition from crib to toddler bed. Hit play to find out how the change is going for Jordan and her family, and pick up some tips, tricks, and guidelines for when your little one is ready for the transition themselves.
We also take (another) little dip into boundary-setting: this time, it's all about bringing home the newborn. If you're curious about the most common boundaries new parents set for their visitors, or wondering which lines you should draw yourself, listen in!
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Jordan (00:00):
The first night I, it took me a while to wake up, but
(00:02):
the second night I think my mombrain was like fully engaged
because I, I was like, I think Iwas just like, Unconsciously
listening for that little thumpand I totally heard the thump
and my husband laughed so hardbecause he's like you were out
of that room before she evenlike took a breath in to start
crying.
Yeah.
It was so funny.
I did shoot out of bed.
(00:32):
Okay, I think that we can beready if you're ready.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sweet.
Lindsay (00:37):
Awesome.
Hi.
Hello.
Hi.
How's it going?
Happy midday Sunday.
Hot as hell outside.
Yeah, still pretty hot.
Damn it.
Jordan (00:49):
It's, like, eased up a bit.
It's A solid 10 degrees coolerthan it was.
It is noticeable.
Yeah.
But when I get in my car anddrive here, I'm like,
Lindsay (00:57):
no,
Jordan (00:58):
it's different.
Um, yeah, it's different for meright now being pregnant.
It's like, Oh yeah.
Yeah.
It's just a whole extra thing.
It's a whole extra thing.
It's a lot of fun.
Yeah.
So happy Sunday.
Welcome to my air conditionedbasement.
Yes.
Thank you.
For sure.
I get my
Lindsay (01:14):
ice cold water.
I don't cruise through.
Jordan (01:16):
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
Lindsay (01:19):
What's
Jordan (01:19):
new?
Not much.
Just, uh, yeah.
You went to Salt Lake for
Lindsay (01:21):
breakfast today.
Yeah,
Jordan (01:23):
we did.
It was really nice.
We haven't gone out to eat inlike, uh, probably months and
months.
So, yeah.
When
Lindsay (01:29):
was the last time you were in Salt Lake City?
Oh, frick.
It's been a long time.
Yeah.
Same.
Jordan (01:35):
Yeah, it was good.
I'm a little, uh, it was alittle bit of a sleepy
breakfast.
I'm also, Yeah, you were uplate.
I'm also tired.
Yeah, up late working.
Crazy work day.
First day of four days off.
Uh, if someone picks up my shifttomorrow, then yes, so far no
luck, so.
Lindsay (01:51):
Crash.
Jordan (01:52):
No.
Cross.
We'll see what happens.
Maybe we, maybe we call off orsomething.
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, I need many days off in arow right now, I'm feeling it.
Lindsay (02:02):
We are canning today.
Oh, fun.
First, first harvest of thecanning process.
We've been harvesting for alittle while, um, just eating
fresh, but now we're canning.
What will you be canning?
Um.
Um.
We're doing pickles and zucchinirelish.
Jordan (02:19):
Yum.
I love both of those things.
Lindsey's given me both of thosethings.
We like our, we like to
Lindsay (02:25):
give away a lot of the zucchini relish because people
absolutely love that.
Yeah.
So it goes on that recipe.
We'll probably just stick aroundand stay a while.
yeah, so we're canning thisafternoon.
I don't know.
That's about all.
Cool.
Jordan (02:38):
Yeah, neither one of us slept great last night.
No.
Lindsay has insomnia a littlebit.
Yeah.
Lindsay (02:45):
Which is fun.
So, yeah, I woke up at 2, whichis not like my normal time, um,
lately.
My time has either been around11pm, or it's been 4.
The 4 o'clock Is hard to go backto sleep with.
So I have been getting up atthat time, like showering early
(03:05):
and whatever, feeding the dog,like just hanging out with her
in the big lounge chair at home.
Last night was two and I did notgo back to sleep.
Yeah, that's tough.
I tried everything and I did notgo back to sleep.
I couldn't even, Jordan, it'smore awake than I have ever been
(03:26):
in a 24 hour period of time inmy life.
Ever.
You're just rearing to go.
Like ever.
I'm like, I'm like trying, whenI'm not awake, I'm trying to
think, I'm like, when was thelast time I had this normal
amount of energy?
Like with a normal circadianrhythm.
That is so annoying.
Like, I can think of like my,it's like my childhood.
I had all that energy.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
I can't believe it.
(03:47):
So, yeah.
We have a Springer Spaniel andshe hangs out with us in our
bedroom at night.
She's got her little dog beddown the side and she was
annoyed that I was awake.
Jordan (03:57):
Oh, was she?
Lindsay (03:58):
She was pretty bothered.
She was huffin and puffin andawake and just movin and she was
annoyed with me.
She's all pissed.
Yeah.
That's so funny.
I'm so sorry, I don't know whatelse to do.
Oh, that's great.
it seems like right now latelyI'm sleeping really hard.
When you are sleeping.
Well, that's something.
Jordan (04:18):
Yeah.
I slept pretty late last night,but the reason that I feel
really tired today, apart fromjust a general working and.
Side hustling a little too muchis, uh, My kid keeps waking up
at like six, which is likenormal for a lot of people out
there, but I don't go to bed,especially on the weekends until
like 11 or 12 PM because of mywork schedule.
(04:39):
So waking up at six.
Yeah.
And my work was kind ofstressful last night.
So I didn't fall asleep tillabout one slept kind of light
and then had little pitterpatter of toddler footsteps
coming into my bedroom.
Lindsay (04:50):
That's your alarm.
Jordan (04:50):
Yeah, that's our alarm right now because we recently we
transitioned from a crib to atoddler bed.
Yeah, it's a
Lindsay (04:58):
big thing.
It's a big deal.
When my sister, my sister didthe same process with her
children as you and her sonstarted waking up early and he's
never gone.
Oh good.
Thank you.
It's reassuring.
This is what I need to hear.
He is,
Jordan (05:14):
uh, yeah, he's eight years old.
Oh God, help me.
Yeah, we, yeah, we kind of havea system in place now and we'll
get to talking about thatbecause that's, uh, that's going
to be my topic today.
Yeah.
For our little podcast.
Let's hear about it.
Uh, the, the, the big toddlerbed transition.
Yeah.
So, yeah, should we just diveright in?
(05:34):
There's a lot to talk about.
going to say, this is a big one.
It kind of is.
I was getting into it.
Um.
Big one.
Well, obviously I did someresearch before I took her crib
down.
It's still her crib, I shouldsay.
But I did some research before Itook that.
The railing's off.
There's a lot to think about.
Yeah, there's a lot to thinkabout.
It's not just so simple.
I didn't necessarily think itwas going to be simple, but
(05:54):
yeah, there's a lot.
So yeah, we can get straight in.
Um, so we obviously, you know,I've announced to everybody
listening that I'm pregnant now.
Yes.
I've got about three more monthsleft until the baby comes.
You're in your third, right?
Just almost like next week orthe following week.
I think it might be next week.
Jeez.
Yeah, that's crazy.
(06:16):
It feels like I'm in my thirdtrimester already.
I would imagine.
My body is very Yeah, you'rebigger.
It's third trimestering hardright now.
Um, but yeah, so, so kind of oneof the main things that they say
about transitioning your toddlerand the reason that we decided,
well, one of the reasons wedecided to do it now Is, you
don't want to do too manychanges for your kid at once.
(06:38):
And we have this really bigtransition coming up of
introducing a new member intoour household.
And we wanted her to kind ofhave the time and space to
transition from her crib to hertoddler bed well before that.
Just so that we can get reallyestablished in that routine
before our routine, before meand Adrian's routine gets too
long.
You know, dug up, um, or justgenerally destroyed.
(07:02):
So yeah, so that's kind of wherewe started with it.
She's doing really great.
She sleeps through the night.
She, um, she, she's not fallingout much.
Well, rolled out.
Sorry.
Not much.
We've had a couple instances.
So the first week went really,really well for us when you were
telling.
Oh man.
I was like, this is.
A cake.
(07:22):
I feel like I was like butter.
I feel like my daughter's gonnafall out.
She will probably, she rolls offthe time.
Yeah.
There are ways we'll get intoways that you can, you can deal
with that.
But um, yeah, so the first weekshe would crawl into bed.
She was super stoked to get intobed by herself.
Like she would tell us that,that was really exciting.
She'd lay down, she'd say shewants her bunny, which is like
(07:43):
her little lovey, her littlestuffed animal and her blanket.
we'd just tuck her and her bunnyin.
She insists that her bunny gounder her blanket and then we
give her a little kiss and shesays door like get out Or she'll
say like close the door likeclose the door behind you like
cool But it was great because itwas like, okay, she's still just
doing the exact same thing andshe's not getting up This is
(08:04):
awesome.
And it happened for nap time andit happened for bedtime for the
whole first week We were like wewant we just won.
Yeah parenting Like, this isepic.
How did we get so lucky?
Week two, not so much.
Lindsay (08:19):
I wonder if that's common.
I wonder if that's common formoms or dads that have a first
successful week.
Jordan (08:26):
Yeah, and then suddenly the toddler realizes that
they're free and then it's allover.
So weirdly, she's been going tobed just fine.
Like, at night she goes downtotally fine, has still not gone
up, not gone wood.
But during nap time, um It'sshe's a little bit more awake
and she gets up like probablythree to five times every day
(08:47):
this week to kind of just likego read her books and she's
totally content to just be inher room and she's very tired
and every time I walk back inthere she like looks up and says
to sleep and I'm like, yeah,you're going to go to sleep.
And she runs over to her bed andwants me to tuck her in again.
And I do.
And I just keep doing that untilshe goes to sleep.
So hopefully that won't last toomuch longer.
(09:08):
Cause it's definitely cuttinginto nap time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's where we're at with it.
Um, she's only fallen out of beda couple of times.
That's something me and Adriandid consider, because the bed
that we have is like thecheapest Ikea.
Uh, crib, um, and the whole siderail just like comes off
altogether and there's not oneThere's like a toddler rail to
(09:29):
replace it which we're kind offine with because her beds only
like a foot off the ground Yeah,it's not like she's in any
danger rolling out of bed Butshe did wake up and it freaked
her out a lot the first night.
And then the second night shedid it again.
And then we were like, Oh, weshould probably do something.
So we put like a little pad downnext to her bed.
So if she falls out, she fallsonto the pad and she hasn't, I
(09:51):
don't, I don't know whethershe's falling out of bed now or
not.
Oh yeah.
Cause you don't know if she'sstaying asleep either way.
So it's cool.
Yeah.
I don't hear it and I don'tlike, Yeah, I think you
probably,
Lindsay (10:05):
yeah, I'm sure she would be like startled.
Yeah, she's like,
Jordan (10:08):
she definitely was the first couple nights.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The first night I, it took me awhile to wake up, but the second
night I think my mom brain waslike fully engaged because I, I
was like, I think I was justlike, Unconsciously listening
for that little thump and Itotally heard the thump and my
husband laughed so hard becausehe's like you were out of that
room before she even like took abreath in to start crying.
(10:30):
Yeah.
It was so funny.
I did shoot out of bed.
It was
Lindsay (10:33):
crazy.
One time I stayed in a hotelroom with my sister and her kid,
her two boys and her son, was inthe bed with mom because she
wasn't going to be traveling andhauling a toddler bed so she
slept in bed with mom.
Yeah.
Or he slept in bed with mom.
And then he just.
Like she caught him mid fall.
Like she woke up knowing thatmom instinct that you were
(10:59):
saying.
Like, yeah, I mean, I'm notquite there yet, but.
That mom instinct was happeningfor her and she caught him like,
it really is crazy.
I have never moved faster.
Jordan (11:11):
She's like, yeah, that's impressive.
Nice work.
Yeah, that's crazy.
All right.
So that's like enough about howit's going for us.
I'm going to talk a little bitmore generally about just some
of the research on,transitioning to a toddler bed.
Couple guidelines, couple thingsto think about, all the stuff
you don't want to have to go andGoogle.
(11:33):
so there is like a weirdly thefirst thing I noticed when I got
into trying to figure outwhether this was going to be a
right move for us or not.
Is there's a huge gap in therecommended age to transition
from a toddler bed.
Like we see all theseMontessori, toddler beds on
Instagram and stuff and you'relike, oh, those kids should like
one for sure.
(11:54):
And that's, that's kind ofgreat.
The age range is 18 months islike generally when people start
recommending to look for thesigns, at least of readiness in
your kid.
Some people say wait up to threeyears and they're like pretty
firm on like, don't take thecrib set off until three years,
unless it's like a safety issue.
So I thought that was superinteresting.
Um, hold you back, like make younervous to go ahead for it.
(12:16):
I didn't know because, and there the reason why is because we.
Well, this is kind of silly,maybe, but I don't want to buy
another crib.
Yeah.
Lindsay (12:26):
You were probably seeing the signs that she could
have been ready too.
Yeah.
Jordan (12:28):
Yeah, totally.
So we, I don't want to buyanother crib for this second kid
on the way.
She's looking, she's like gotother signs that I'll talk about
that are showing that she'sready to, to move to the toddler
bed.
And I didn't want her to makethat transition to the toddler
bed when the baby comes.
So for us it was easier to dothis like three months in
advance, transition to thetoddler bed, then she'll keep
(12:48):
the crib when the baby's hereand we'll do bassinet in our
bedroom for a while.
And then once the baby's readyto transition into the crib,
Hopefully, like a month beforethat, we'll transition her into
a toddler bed before she seesthe baby take the crib because
something a lot of people don'tthink about is that if they're,
if you're using the same criband this isn't something you'll
have to worry about because youguys have Vivi's like forever
(13:10):
bed, but if you are planning onusing the same crib, your
toddler can get really jealousof the baby.
When they, when they take thebed over.
So if they're already havingthese feelings of like, you
know, like what the, what thehell's going on?
I've lost all the attention ofmy parents to this little baby
and now they're taking my bed.
And a bed is like, oftentimesit's a toddler's kind of safe
(13:32):
space where it's like, you know,the only place in the house
where it's just theirs.
So it's kind of a
Lindsay (13:38):
big deal.
So will you bring, maybe I justmissed this, but will you bring
the toddler a bed in while babyis in your room in bassinet?
I think so, yeah.
Because then you can say like Idon't know, make it a whole
thing.
Jordan (13:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
And at that point, I mean, she'salready like cognizant enough to
understand us when we tell herabout like her big girl bed and
getting into it and getting outof it herself.
And she understands like whythat's exciting.
So hopefully that trend willcontinue.
Yeah.
the reason why a lot of peoplesay it's better to wait until
your kid is three years old isbecause, One of the most common
(14:10):
causes of sleep problems intoddlers is actually making that
switch a little too soon So ifyou make it too soon, you might
notice things that like i'm howi'm noticing your toddlers
waking up super early They maystop sleeping through the night
They might not be able to godown very easily So if you if
you make this switch and younotice these things happening
(14:31):
and they're disrupting your lifenoted maybe put that real bad.
I think i'll I think i'm gonna
Lindsay (14:35):
put that off my daughter her first her first Her
first wake up of the night ormorning is around 4, 430.
Oh yeah, and she'll be out.
She'll be ripping.
I think that's when she woulddefinitely be getting up for the
day, and I'm like, okay.
Nope.
You just clarified that
Jordan (14:49):
for
Lindsay (14:49):
me.
Yeah, that's so funny.
Yeah,
Jordan (14:52):
our kid sleeps through the night still.
The six, she sometimes has wokenup at seven, so this, we're kind
of still trialing this.
We're just going to see if itlasts.
I mean, I think she's fine.
We can wake up at six for awhile.
Lindsay (15:03):
It's not crazy.
Months ahead.
And then after baby comes, youstill have more months.
Of like trial and sleepdeprivation.
Oh my gosh.
Jordan (15:14):
Yeah.
It's a lot to think about.
I know, I know we'll get there.
We'll get through it.
anyway, so how do you know yourkid is ready?
Let's just get into it.
So, whether they're 18 months orthree, if they're climbing out
of the crib, this is like thenumber one reason to take that
rail off.
That's a safety issue.
So if they're climbing out ofthe crib, you don't have a
choice.
(15:34):
You're moving to a toddler bed.
Yeah, I guess there, there aresome options.
If your, if your child's notsleeping well, but they are
climbing out of the crib, a fewthings to try.
This is a little, Recommendationfrom a girl called taking care
of babies love on Instagram I'vebeen to her website a number of
times for sleep questions Same,but she says to make sure the
(15:55):
mattress is in the lowestposition That one kind of feels
obvious enough that maybethere's somebody out there who
hasn't Tried that turn the cribaround if one side is taller
than the other.
Lindsay (16:06):
Oh, okay,
Jordan (16:06):
that might work for you I could barely put my kid in her
crib, as it is, uh, because ofmy belly, my growing belly.
So a higher rail just soundslike a nightmare.
Lindsay (16:15):
Yep.
Jordan (16:15):
But that's something you could try.
you could put the crib in thecorner of the room that deters
some kids, I guess, and then putyour kid in a sleep sack.
So that's another thing we hadto consider when we transitioned
from crib to toddler bed is mykid was still in her sleep sack
and I didn't want her to get upin the middle of the night and
trip over her sleep sack, but Iguess this could work the same
(16:36):
in reverse.
Lindsay (16:37):
Okay.
Interesting.
Jordan (16:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would have
Lindsay (16:39):
thought that too.
I've been like, okay, I'm justgoing to put her in, continue to
put her in her sleep sack.
Cause I think her, the companywe use.
Goes all the way up to 36months.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
It's been, so I was like, I'lljust do continue that.
But yeah she's probably going tobe out of her crib or at least a
railing off by that, by thattime.
And you don't want her totransition
Jordan (17:00):
in the same, at the same time, but we transitioned, our
kid transitioned a really easyout of the sleep sack.
It's like summer and it's hot.
Yeah.
And so she was in a reallylightweight sleep sack, so that
probably helped.
But I also just gave her thechoice of blanket.
Oh, so we have a bunch of littlelike, you know, blankets from
when she was like a baby thatare light.
And I let her pick one out andshe picked obviously like the
(17:22):
hot pink one that she's obsessedwith.
And she has been so excited toget under that thing ever since
she hasn't thought about hersleep sack once.
Adorable.
So we did that about a weekbefore we took the rail off and
she was really happy with theblanket and really attached to
it really quickly.
So we thought that that wouldwork.
And for us, it did.
So.
(17:42):
But yeah, if your kid isclimbing out of their crib and
you don't want them to, try toput them in a sleep sack.
And then another one was to sayno firmly into your like two way
talk baby monitor.
I don't know.
That one wouldn't work for us.
Maybe there are some like veryobedient kids out there.
Yeah, no.
(18:03):
I could be like, that's cute.
Mom.
Yeah.
Go on about her business.
Yeah.
So let me know if that one worksfor you.
Cause that's, that'd be, you gota good kid.
So that's kind of how to keepyour kids safe in their crib.
The flip side to that is if you,if you have a kid who's climbing
out, obviously that's a hazard,but also if you have a kid who
(18:26):
is in a toddler bed, They couldstill hurt themselves getting up
and going around the house.
So you definitely want to makesure that you baby proof and
everything.
All right.
So another sign that they're=ready is as they're getting
older, they might ask for a bigkid bed.
this typically happens aroundlike age three.
So if you wait that long, yourkid might be seeing cousins or
friends beds and gettingexcited.
(18:47):
Yeah.
another one that's like kind ofa no brainer is when your kid is
just simply too big for thecrib.
I'm sure that happens plenty.
Mine, not an issue for me, butyeah, I'm sure that there are a
lot of people who have that.
A controversial one that I foundwas some say that kids who are
potty trained should betransitioned into a toddler bed.
(19:08):
Some people say that's not anissue because toddlers typically
don't really have control in thenight.
Anyway, yeah, but some say thatit's good for them to like have
the freedom to get up and usethe bathroom Which can actually
be like kind of the dangerousthing, too So yeah, i'd say just
make your own judgment call onthat one.
Yeah, but one thing that's kindof agreed upon is that it might
(19:30):
not be a great idea to pottytrain and take the railing off
at the same time.
Right.
Like if you're really taking thediapers away and taking the rail
away, it might just be too muchfor your kid.
Yeah.
So the other obvious signs arebeing able to self soothe and
fall asleep by themselves.
My kid was totally doing that.
So we were like, okay, that'sprobably like the biggest one.
they're sleeping well throughthe night consistently.
(19:52):
and then they can show anability to follow other rules
around the house.
That's just so that you can likedirect them back to the bed and
ask them to stay there.
That's one thing I don't thinkmy kid is really kind of grasped
just yet, but she, you know, itjust means that I need to have
the patience to put her downfour times and We live through
it, you know?
And she doesn't get fussy atleast, so.
(20:13):
That's not too bad.
It'd be one
Lindsay (20:14):
thing if, like, through the night you guys were doing
that.
Oh, if it was through the
Jordan (20:17):
night, her rail would be back up.
Without question.
Yeah, you're like, you'reofficially not ready.
Yeah, uh uh.
Nope, that's a hard no.
I'm not losing my sleep overthis.
Not a chance.
Aw.
So another, another one that's alittle bit controversial is if
you have another kid who you'removing into the crib, like if,
(20:37):
in my case, you're havinganother baby and you want to use
the same crib twice, that oneactually got mixed reviews.
Some people said that that waslike a good reason to transition
your toddler, other people just,you know, Um, as I said before,
remarked on the jealousy pointand said that that can be a
little bit too much for yourtoddler, like emotionally when
they're already going throughthat change
Lindsay (20:55):
of seeing your energy and attention.
I think you guys are doing agood job by giving it plenty of
time.
Jordan (21:00):
I think so too.
It does.
It wouldn't feel like I didn'tread that before.
That was something I kind ofread after we made the
transition, but it sort of justmade sense to my head that that
would be a lot for my kid to gothrough at once.
And that's a yeah, that's aninteresting argument in favor of
like having a bed like yoursLike a four in one.
Yeah, so it's like a bassinetand then it's a crib and then
(21:22):
it's a toddler bed And then itgoes even further to a full
size.
Yeah,
Lindsay (21:26):
which is crazy full.
Yes, not a twin It jumps a twinwhich I'm kind of like, I wish
you have to go straight
Jordan (21:33):
to full from
Lindsay (21:34):
toddler Yeah, it's a big That's a big bet.
Yeah, she's going to be short inher life, thank goodness, but
yeah, it's going to be a bigone.
Jordan (21:45):
so that's an interesting argument in favor of having
those slightly pricier, but muchlonger lasting.
Yeah.
Beds that I would not havethought about when I was crib
shopping.
Like I thought did not cross
Lindsay (21:56):
my mind.
I didn't even know cribs coulddo that.
Jordan (21:58):
Yeah, same.
Alright, so then just a fewnotes on how to make the
transition.
If you think your kid's ready,all of those things I just said
sound workable for you and yoursituation.
Here's a few notes on how totransition.
A lot of them are obvious, butgood to go over anyway.
Yep,
Lindsay (22:14):
I want to hear this.
So
Jordan (22:15):
the number one thing is obviously make sure the room is
safe.
Your kid's gonna be crawling outof bed.
They're gonna be unsupervised.
It's inevitable.
So obviously anchor yourfurniture.
Check electrical sockets.
Check for cords and drapes theycan get wrapped in.
Check what they could climb onthat could potentially be
dangerous.
and then another thing to thinkabout is which rooms of the
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house will they have access to,or are you shutting them into
their bedroom?
So, for us, we were like, it'dbe so cute if our kid, you know,
came into our room and woke usup in the morning instead of us
sleeping.
getting her out of bed.
Um,
Lindsay (22:48):
so cute.
Jordan (22:49):
It was like day two.
We were like, this isn't quiteas cute as we thought it was
going to be.
Uh, that
Lindsay (22:56):
first morning experience.
Yeah.
Jordan (22:58):
Yeah.
And at this point we've kind ofjust gotten to the point where
we're like alternating days thatwe wake up if the other person
feels like they need a littleextra sleep.
But tonight I think we're goingto, uh, just keeping her door
shut.
She can't open the twistydoorknobs that we have just yet.
So, and she, yeah, if she cries,we can hear her very easily.
(23:18):
And if she actually, if shewants to get out of the door,
she just knocks on it.
So we'll be able to just hearthat and go grab her, but she
might just lay down and readbooks for an hour.
Hey, I'm tired.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think she'll be okay.
That's all she wants to do andshe's in her room.
She reads books.
(23:39):
She lays down on her floor andreads books.
My daughter does the same.
Yeah.
I'm cool with that.
You want to do that for an hourin the morning?
Be my guest.
So, wish me luck on that one.
another good thing when-you'redoing the transition, like I
mentioned, is to let them havesome choices about their bed.
So you could do bed sheets, youcould do like, where do you want
to put your bed in your room, ifyou feel really, really generous
(24:01):
as a parent.
Uh, yeah, for us it was likethe, the blanket thing.
She has her pink blanket, shechooses her stuffy, it's the
same one every night.
She must love her nighttimeroutine.
Yeah, and yes.
She totally does and that'sanother one is keep their
nighttime routine the sameexcept for that transition.
Like we kept it exactly thesame.
The only difference is insteadof carrying her to her bed, we
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set her on the floor and let herwalk to her bed and get in it
herself just to give her thatlittle like, yeah, and she loves
it.
She really took well to that.
So cool.
Yeah.
Let them pick something out.
Keep the bedtime routine thesame.
Have a consistent plan for whenyour kid gets out of bed.
I, like, why didn't we think ofthis?
I don't know.
It's just like one thing that wejust totally didn't think about,
(24:46):
but the first time she, so sherolled out of her bed twice.
Lindsay (24:50):
The
Jordan (24:50):
first night she rolled out of her bed, she was like
disoriented and crying, and I Ipicked her up and I was really
tired and I always think itsounds nice to co sleep because
I just like love her little bodynext to mine.
We don't co sleep and kind ofhaven't consistently ever done
it, but you know, I wasn'tthinking.
I just picked her up and broughther to our bed thinking, Oh,
(25:11):
she'll fall back asleep with us.
That's fine.
Um, I did not go back to sleepthat night.
It's not that like for us.
I, yeah, I don't know.
We, we upgraded to a king sizebed and even still, I felt like
she was, I had like a foot ofspace and it was just silly.
And then she woke up andobviously was like, well, I'm in
a new space and got all, sure.
(25:32):
Crazy immediately.
So the next night I was like weare from now on if she wakes up
or comes in a room or whateverhappens in the night.
She's going back into her crib.
Yeah, like first thing.
We just want that to be theprecedent that is set.
So have a plan beforehand.
Just save yourself that one ortwo nights of.
(25:53):
Save it for like
Lindsay (25:54):
your Travel.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Weird vacation days.
Yeah, like when we take
Jordan (25:59):
off in the van, totally we can sleep next to each other,
but, yeah.
Otherwise, have that plan.
Have conversations with your kidabout what it means to
transition, what's involved, um,and keep having those, like,
chats as you kind of movethrough the day and point out
their, like, new bed, you know?
You might not think that they'refully understanding, but I
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think.
My kid's only like, what, 23months and she definitely,
definitely understood all of itand was really excited about it.
And when my mom came over, shewanted to show her her new bed
and everything.
It was really precious.
So yeah, have thoseconversations about it.
And then, uh, another little tipis to start with nap time.
If your bed transitions easilyfrom a crib into a toddler bed,
(26:44):
or if you have a separatetoddler bed, Some people say
it's better to just do naptimesfor the first couple weeks or
until they kind of get attunedto staying in their bed so that
it doesn't interfere with yourown bedtime routine.
For us, this is a non issuebecause we go to bed way later
Lindsay (27:01):
than she does.
If she's gonna practice andpossibly wake up.
At least, yeah.
Or not go to sleep at all.
During the day.
Yeah.
Uh huh,
Jordan (27:09):
you're there.
You can watch.
You can see what they get up to.
Yeah.
Which has been really fun andhilarious.
Yeah.
And insightful for us.
Um, yeah.
And then you can put them backdown, obviously.
That's a good tip.
Without getting too sleepy.
And then, yeah, the last thingis, if your kid is rolling out
of bed, if you make that switch,and you're noticing they're
rolling out of bed, a couplecool things I've seen online
(27:31):
are, they have, like, bumpers.
I don't know if you've seenthese.
They make them for adult beds sothat you, like, I don't know,
like, to, like, make your stuffnot fall off the edge, or, I
don't know.
Comfort, but you can put one ofthose, they make those for
toddler beds.
Those are really cool.
Um, I've also seen like a littlehack.
That's just a pool noodle thatyou put underneath the sheet so
(27:51):
you can get like a very cheapversion of that and just pop it
under the kid's sheet.
And that acts as like enough ofa bumper that usually kids want
to fall out.
Is the
Lindsay (27:58):
bumper like a big pool noodle, like cylinder looking
thing?
Jordan (28:02):
Sort of.
It's like a half cylinder.
I think my sister has one.
Yeah.
It's like a, it's like a veryfirm.
Pillow that's like a halfcylinder and it's like, yeah, I
don't know, maybe five incheswide and just the length of the
bed.
Lindsay (28:13):
Yeah.
We use, and growing up we hadthese things that just slid
under our mattress and it waslike a side rail.
You could like pass play with.
Oh, that's fine.
And another one was like a minimouse one.
But yeah, there was like thesemesh cartoony ones.
He just, I did not even seethat.
Well, I don't know if they makethem anymore.
I don't even know.
Maybe.
Jordan (28:32):
I'm sure somebody somewhere does.
Lindsay (28:34):
Yeah.
Jordan (28:35):
Yeah.
So there are a lot of options toexplore if your kid is rolling
out of bed, and you still wantto make the transition.
So for you for later, I mean, Ican see your kid getting over
even that.
She'll
Lindsay (28:44):
probably roll out.
Yeah.
She's a little gymnast.
Jordan (28:47):
Yeah.
Lindsay (28:48):
She,
Jordan (28:49):
she's a little tumbler, that's for sure.
Yeah, so those are all the tipson how to make that transition.
Hopefully a couple of them arethings you hadn't thought about
or wouldn't have thought about.
Don't have to think too muchmore about.
I'm going to
Lindsay (29:03):
star this episode in realistic.
Jordan (29:04):
Yeah, good idea.
And let me know how it goes foryou.
It's actually a really fun, likesuper cute transition.
I didn't expect to Like for itto be so, it's like everything
else in parenting.
I didn't expect it to be like soexciting.
Lindsay (29:22):
I feel like everything seems like a hurdle.
Like how am I gonna do this?
Yeah, I used to this.
I just got used to this wholeroutine totally like hurdle
through this Yeah, and now it'scute, but there's a lot of fun.
Yeah.
Yeah reassuring.
Jordan (29:35):
Yep.
So that's it That's changing toa toddler bed.
Everybody Wow.
Good luck.
Lindsay (29:40):
Good luck to you.
Jordan (29:44):
Hoping for that extra hour of sleep tomorrow morning.
Yes
Lindsay (29:47):
Yeah.
Um, but we're doing sometrending things.
This is kind of pushing it wayback to fourth trimester, you
know, Bringing home baby.
Yeah.
What do you have?
What's trending?
I know we're talking about alittle bit of toddler stuff
right now, but you have a babyon the way soon.
I do.
I'm sure you have yourboundaries set in stone and
(30:07):
communicated and protected.
We will, we'll figure those out.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a conversation that stillneeds to be had.
I would imagine that your secondbaby coming along is going to
change a little bit with thoseas they did maybe initially with
your first.
Or, For those that are havingtheir third or fourth or fifth
child.
I don't know how that allchanges Can you imagine?
Maybe you just don't careanymore.
(30:28):
Yeah, I would imagine it.
You definitely have that mindsetAt least a little you'd have to
Anyways, anyway, yeah, so thetrending topic is new bringing
home new baby boundaries.
Okay, just okay We're you and Iare Millennials.
We have a generation below uscalled the Gen Z ers this trend
is way more common.
(30:51):
Exponentially way more common inMillennials and Gen Zers than
any other generation before us.
Jordan (30:59):
Yeah, that
Lindsay (30:59):
checks out.
I think boundaries have justgenerally become a lot more.
Yeah, okay, we all come fromfamilies that, Respect
boundaries.
We come from families that don'trespect boundaries.
We come from families that don'tknow what boundaries are and
they're learning and they'retrying to figure it all out.
Or they're not learning and nottrying to figure it out.
Yeah.
For others.
So there's a lot of layers herethat you just have to maybe
(31:22):
think about how and reflect onyour family and how this can
work for your family so bringinghome baby boundaries, how long
for visitors to start showingup?
How long for visitors to staywhen they come over?
This is definitely somethingthat a lot of new moms are
definitely putting the the heartof lying in the sand on
Jordan (31:40):
Another good thing to talk about with visitors is like
with your, with your partner iswhat can they do for you?
Like around the house, if theyoffer help, like what are the
things that you'll want them tohelp with?
I think having like a littlelist of that so that you don't
have to think about it when theycome over is also a great idea.
Yeah.
Lindsay (31:56):
So these are the top three most popular guidelines
that people are listing whenthey come up with their
boundaries and what they want todo to protect their love for
their loved ones that arevisiting.
Insisting on hand washing orusing hand, absolutely.
Hand sanitizer.
That's like an insist must.
Uhhuh.
That's the most common in ourgeneration right now.
(32:19):
That was for sure.
Mine.
I
Jordan (32:20):
bought like three different types of hand
sanitizer.
I was like, you can use whateverkind you like.
Yep.
They're out on the counter.
Your hand.
Yes.
There you go.
They're not,
Lindsay (32:27):
it's a different way of just like, rather than saying,
will you please go wash yourhands?
It, they're, you literally giveyour visitors a choice.
Hand wash at the sink or theirsanitizer on the counter.
You just don't like don't messwith it.
Yep.
Don't mess with that.
Easy options right there.
so here's another thing, askingvisitors to stay home.
If they show signs of illness,obviously, it doesn't matter if
(32:50):
sicknesses are more common, thiscan be a year round thing.
If you're not feeling well, it'stime for you to stay home.
Requiring them to wear a maskaround babies.
These are the top three mostpopular guidelines.
There's obviously more outthere.
one of them I had was, I had mydaughter in December travel was
crazy Christmas week, so RSV wasreally high that winter.
(33:13):
So what I did was I made sureeveryone was up to date on
their, um,
Jordan (33:18):
RSV vaccinations?
Yes, thank you.
What is this?
Lindsay (33:23):
RSV vaccination.
So everyone got updated, madesure.
I was like, if you cannot getupdated on it, you have to wait
until this winter is over.
So that was my, my experience asa first time mom.
I was like very hyper strongabout that.
I did not want to see mydaughter in the hospital with
RSV.
Especially as a newborn, thatwould have hurt my mama heart
bad.
so another one too, is talkingwith your partner.
(33:46):
What are some things that youwould potentially be intrigued
by, by setting a boundary foryour partner?
You're a new baby.
What are some of the things Ihave?
And just get a list going foreach other.
Then, all of a sudden, you'relike, building your list even
further.
Like, it's not just, You or me.
Now our lists together.
Now our lists beyond together.
Like what are the duties thatyou can do for me when Yeah,
(34:08):
like I don't have the words I,yeah, and I don't have the words
to like ask or I don't wantthere to be tone, be behind the
words that I ask either.
Yeah.
So this is all just out of likeout of respect, clarity,
messages out there, way inadvance.
Everyone's understood.
So you're
Jordan (34:27):
basically communicating your needs with each other, you
and your partner, aroundyourselves and around your baby.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think something that is superimportant basically is just off
the back of that slash is thesame as that is to communicate
with your visitors andcommunicate with the people who
want to visit you but you justwant to say no.
Just say no to them and explainwhy you don't need, I mean, you
(34:49):
don't even need to explain why,but it's so easy to say, Hey,
we're starting bedtime at 7.
Yeah.
Or like just simply saying,simply saying no can be really
hard, but I think that it'simportant to just communicate
that.
And then with the visitors whoare coming over, if you're
implementing rules like handwashing, if you're implementing
rules like you can't hold thebaby or whatever other thing
(35:10):
you've got, I think a reallygood idea is to just bring that
up with them before they come byso that the expectation is
there.
Yes.
And you can just kind of clearthe air so that when they come
over you don't have to have anyawkward tension when you're
like, I actually need you to dothis differently.
Yeah.
That kind of thing.
Lindsay (35:25):
Yeah.
So I think there's, you know, Ithink the hurdle here is that
the generations ahead of us arebehind us.
Shoot.
I don't know.
Are they ahead of us?
They must be ahead of us.
Okay.
So the, the generations.
Yeah.
Ahead of us, ahead of us.
(35:46):
Shoot.
Yeah,
Jordan (35:47):
no, that's
Lindsay (35:47):
tricky.
That's way tricky.
The generations, the oldergenerations, the older
generations than us They, youhave to understand, they've
never learned about boundariesand how to protect their lives
and yeah, or the, or they're intheir feelings and everything's
okay.
Yeah.
So they've just literally, thisis all new to them.
And I think probably the biggesthurdle is to like really make it
(36:11):
clear, like we're not like,Okay.
Upset with you, we're not likerestricting, you are just, I'm
not trying to punish you.
You're going to be just as happywhen you see the baby in two
weeks as you would be like rightnow.
So, yeah.
So the new baby boundaries islike a really hard trend right
(36:31):
now with Gen Z and themillennials when they're
bringing their babies home.
Yeah.
I love that.
I love it.
I'd love to see more of it.
I'd love to talk about it more.
Yeah.
I feel like I talk about it allthe time with people, with
friends, with my spouse, youknow, you have another baby on
the way.
I'm sure you guys are bringingit up again soon.
It's a good topic.
It is a good topic.
Jordan (36:51):
It's definitely something to, to like, and it's
a good way to like start yourlife with a baby, whether it's
your first baby or your secondor your seventh.
Like, I think it's, it's good tostart with joined understanding
between you and your partnerthat, that this is, it.
Your creation.
This family is your creation.
You might not have control overlike 95 percent of it, but you
(37:13):
do have control over whichboundaries you place on the line
that's drawn between your familyand the outside world.
Yes.
Lindsay (37:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jordan (37:21):
And I think that's okay.
Lindsay (37:23):
Absolutely.
Okay.
Yeah.
Jordan (37:25):
Cool.
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
I love that.
I love that as a trend.
I'm grateful that it's a trend.
Yeah.
I'm a big boundary setter.
So I'm glad that I'm not justout here being a bitch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
Yeah.
Cool.
Lindsay (37:39):
Who needs a recommendation?
I'll take one.
I You got one?
Yeah.
I, I've needed this like yearround, but this is really nice
right now because it's freakinghot out.
so there's a company out there.
You would like this companybecause it's like all organic
cotton.
Nice.
No shit in their clothing.
Love no shit.
(37:59):
Shit
Jordan (37:59):
free zone.
I mean it's no, no zone isactually a shit free zone.
But
Lindsay (38:04):
it's a clean shit.
Yeah.
Okay.
So this company.
I think they come out of Denveror Colorado because they do have
a storefront in Boulder, whichI'm dying to go to.
I love Boulder.
I do too.
Did you know the Sundance FilmFestival might go there?
What?
No.
Yeah, of all the places that youwork, there's six cities up for
(38:27):
grabs.
So the top three are, I think,Boulder, Utah still, and then
Santa Fe.
Thank you.
Santa Fe, I can see.
So they might keep it
Jordan (38:34):
in Utah.
Yeah.
Move it to Santa Fe or move itto Boulder.
Yeah, those are like the topthree.
Yeah, Redford moved to NewMexico somewhere.
He's in the Santa Fe area.
Yeah,
Lindsay (38:42):
fine.
I mean, that makes sense.
That'd be a cool town for that.
To like kind of linger and SantaFe is a cool
Jordan (38:48):
town.
Lindsay (38:49):
Have you been, I have, it's awesome.
I would love to go.
I didn't even know it was atseven, like 7, 000 feet in
elevation.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And
Jordan (38:56):
the drive is beautiful.
Yeah.
I was my, uh, my kid wasimplanting in my uterus the week
I was there.
Lindsay (39:02):
Oh, cool.
That's cute.
I, we did look at like Santa Feto get married there.
Jordan (39:09):
It would be
Lindsay (39:09):
cool.
It would have been very hot.
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
But anyways.
Boulder, Boulder.
This is girl talk.
This is how girl talk works.
We're back.
We're back on track.
We're back.
Okay.
So they have a storefront inBoulder, Colorado, and this
company is called PACT, P A C T.
So this company has a clothingas well for women and men, and
(39:33):
then they have a home line.
Okay, so, um, I needed coolingsheets.
Postpartum.
Bed sheets.
Yeah.
Bed sheets.
Yeah.
Bed sheets.
Not like cooling sheets for yourface.
That's what I thought Lindsaywas talking about.
Yeah.
Not like uh, it isn't.
Yeah.
It's, it's cooling, the coolingeffect sheets for your bed.
(39:54):
I needed them during postpartum.
These are freaking incredible.
They are called the organic coolair pergyl sheets.
How do you pronounce p e r c a le?
Purkle?
Purkle.
Not sure.
Organic Cool Air Purkle Sheets.
You can have a full set ofthese.
You can have anything separate.
(40:15):
Like you can, if you just need acool pillow.
You pillowcase.
Yep, you can just buy apillowcase from them.
I love that.
If you just need like the, youguys don't use the top sheets in
your bed, No, I never dideither.
I only use the fitted for likemy whole life.
And then when I went throughpostpartum, all I wanted was a
top sheet and nothing else.
Yeah.
(40:35):
So then that's, that's why I gotthe set, I don't know what it
is, but it literally is, they'relike the best quality.
They are worth every frickingdollar.
I'm not kidding.
Like, You could go and findcooling sheets anywhere, right?
Amazon, I'm sure, Target,Pottery Barn, wherever.
I am telling you that thesethings actually give like a
(40:56):
cooling effect to them.
They're wonderful.
So I can't recommend themenough.
Jordan (41:00):
Good, I will keep that in mind in the next couple
months while I'm dying in bed.
Actually, we have like a reallycool bed blanket, but I still
have been hot at night.
So maybe I'll have to check themout.
Get it.
Yeah.
Sweet.
Thanks.
Thanks for that.
Awesome.
Well, I hope everybody likedlistening to us talk about beds
and bedsheets.
(41:21):
Yep.
Boundaries and other beds.
Yeah.
Lindsay (41:28):
There's a B type of all of our bases.
Great.
We hope that we're not bitchesto our, when we set our
boundaries.
Jordan (41:36):
Bye.
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Bye.
Bye.
The first night I, it took me a while to wake up, but
(00:02):
the second night I think my mombrain was like fully engaged
because I, I was like, I think Iwas just like, Unconsciously
listening for that little thumpand I totally heard the thump
and my husband laughed so hardbecause he's like you were out
of that room before she evenlike took a breath in to start
crying.
Yeah.
It was so funny.
I did shoot out of bed.
(00:32):
Okay, I think that we can beready if you're ready.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sweet.
Lindsay (00:37):
Awesome.
Hi.
Hello.
Hi.
How's it going?
Happy midday Sunday.
Hot as hell outside.
Yeah, still pretty hot.
Damn it.
Jordan (00:49):
It's, like, eased up a bit.
It's A solid 10 degrees coolerthan it was.
It is noticeable.
Yeah.
But when I get in my car anddrive here, I'm like,
Lindsay (00:57):
no,
Jordan (00:58):
it's different.
Um, yeah, it's different for meright now being pregnant.
It's like, Oh yeah.
Yeah.
It's just a whole extra thing.
It's a whole extra thing.
It's a lot of fun.
Yeah.
So happy Sunday.
Welcome to my air conditionedbasement.
Yes.
Thank you.
For sure.
I get my
Lindsay (01:14):
ice cold water.
I don't cruise through.
Jordan (01:16):
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
Lindsay (01:19):
What's
Jordan (01:19):
new?
Not much.
Just, uh, yeah.
You went to Salt Lake for
Lindsay (01:21):
breakfast today.
Yeah,
Jordan (01:23):
we did.
It was really nice.
We haven't gone out to eat inlike, uh, probably months and
months.
So, yeah.
When
Lindsay (01:29):
was the last time you were in Salt Lake City?
Oh, frick.
It's been a long time.
Yeah.
Same.
Jordan (01:35):
Yeah, it was good.
I'm a little, uh, it was alittle bit of a sleepy
breakfast.
I'm also, Yeah, you were uplate.
I'm also tired.
Yeah, up late working.
Crazy work day.
First day of four days off.
Uh, if someone picks up my shifttomorrow, then yes, so far no
luck, so.
Lindsay (01:51):
Crash.
Jordan (01:52):
No.
Cross.
We'll see what happens.
Maybe we, maybe we call off orsomething.
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, I need many days off in arow right now, I'm feeling it.
Lindsay (02:02):
We are canning today.
Oh, fun.
First, first harvest of thecanning process.
We've been harvesting for alittle while, um, just eating
fresh, but now we're canning.
What will you be canning?
Um.
Um.
We're doing pickles and zucchinirelish.
Jordan (02:19):
Yum.
I love both of those things.
Lindsey's given me both of thosethings.
We like our, we like to
Lindsay (02:25):
give away a lot of the zucchini relish because people
absolutely love that.
Yeah.
So it goes on that recipe.
We'll probably just stick aroundand stay a while.
yeah, so we're canning thisafternoon.
I don't know.
That's about all.
Cool.
Jordan (02:38):
Yeah, neither one of us slept great last night.
No.
Lindsay has insomnia a littlebit.
Yeah.
Lindsay (02:45):
Which is fun.
So, yeah, I woke up at 2, whichis not like my normal time, um,
lately.
My time has either been around11pm, or it's been 4.
The 4 o'clock Is hard to go backto sleep with.
So I have been getting up atthat time, like showering early
(03:05):
and whatever, feeding the dog,like just hanging out with her
in the big lounge chair at home.
Last night was two and I did notgo back to sleep.
Yeah, that's tough.
I tried everything and I did notgo back to sleep.
I couldn't even, Jordan, it'smore awake than I have ever been
(03:26):
in a 24 hour period of time inmy life.
Ever.
You're just rearing to go.
Like ever.
I'm like, I'm like trying, whenI'm not awake, I'm trying to
think, I'm like, when was thelast time I had this normal
amount of energy?
Like with a normal circadianrhythm.
That is so annoying.
Like, I can think of like my,it's like my childhood.
I had all that energy.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
I can't believe it.
(03:47):
So, yeah.
We have a Springer Spaniel andshe hangs out with us in our
bedroom at night.
She's got her little dog beddown the side and she was
annoyed that I was awake.
Jordan (03:57):
Oh, was she?
Lindsay (03:58):
She was pretty bothered.
She was huffin and puffin andawake and just movin and she was
annoyed with me.
She's all pissed.
Yeah.
That's so funny.
I'm so sorry, I don't know whatelse to do.
Oh, that's great.
it seems like right now latelyI'm sleeping really hard.
When you are sleeping.
Well, that's something.
Jordan (04:18):
Yeah.
I slept pretty late last night,but the reason that I feel
really tired today, apart fromjust a general working and.
Side hustling a little too muchis, uh, My kid keeps waking up
at like six, which is likenormal for a lot of people out
there, but I don't go to bed,especially on the weekends until
like 11 or 12 PM because of mywork schedule.
(04:39):
So waking up at six.
Yeah.
And my work was kind ofstressful last night.
So I didn't fall asleep tillabout one slept kind of light
and then had little pitterpatter of toddler footsteps
coming into my bedroom.
Lindsay (04:50):
That's your alarm.
Jordan (04:50):
Yeah, that's our alarm right now because we recently we
transitioned from a crib to atoddler bed.
Yeah, it's a
Lindsay (04:58):
big thing.
It's a big deal.
When my sister, my sister didthe same process with her
children as you and her sonstarted waking up early and he's
never gone.
Oh good.
Thank you.
It's reassuring.
This is what I need to hear.
He is,
Jordan (05:14):
uh, yeah, he's eight years old.
Oh God, help me.
Yeah, we, yeah, we kind of havea system in place now and we'll
get to talking about thatbecause that's, uh, that's going
to be my topic today.
Yeah.
For our little podcast.
Let's hear about it.
Uh, the, the, the big toddlerbed transition.
Yeah.
So, yeah, should we just diveright in?
(05:34):
There's a lot to talk about.
going to say, this is a big one.
It kind of is.
I was getting into it.
Um.
Big one.
Well, obviously I did someresearch before I took her crib
down.
It's still her crib, I shouldsay.
But I did some research before Itook that.
The railing's off.
There's a lot to think about.
Yeah, there's a lot to thinkabout.
It's not just so simple.
I didn't necessarily think itwas going to be simple, but
(05:54):
yeah, there's a lot.
So yeah, we can get straight in.
Um, so we obviously, you know,I've announced to everybody
listening that I'm pregnant now.
Yes.
I've got about three more monthsleft until the baby comes.
You're in your third, right?
Just almost like next week orthe following week.
I think it might be next week.
Jeez.
Yeah, that's crazy.
(06:16):
It feels like I'm in my thirdtrimester already.
I would imagine.
My body is very Yeah, you'rebigger.
It's third trimestering hardright now.
Um, but yeah, so, so kind of oneof the main things that they say
about transitioning your toddlerand the reason that we decided,
well, one of the reasons wedecided to do it now Is, you
don't want to do too manychanges for your kid at once.
(06:38):
And we have this really bigtransition coming up of
introducing a new member intoour household.
And we wanted her to kind ofhave the time and space to
transition from her crib to hertoddler bed well before that.
Just so that we can get reallyestablished in that routine
before our routine, before meand Adrian's routine gets too
long.
You know, dug up, um, or justgenerally destroyed.
(07:02):
So yeah, so that's kind of wherewe started with it.
She's doing really great.
She sleeps through the night.
She, um, she, she's not fallingout much.
Well, rolled out.
Sorry.
Not much.
We've had a couple instances.
So the first week went really,really well for us when you were
telling.
Oh man.
I was like, this is.
A cake.
(07:22):
I feel like I was like butter.
I feel like my daughter's gonnafall out.
She will probably, she rolls offthe time.
Yeah.
There are ways we'll get intoways that you can, you can deal
with that.
But um, yeah, so the first weekshe would crawl into bed.
She was super stoked to get intobed by herself.
Like she would tell us that,that was really exciting.
She'd lay down, she'd say shewants her bunny, which is like
(07:43):
her little lovey, her littlestuffed animal and her blanket.
we'd just tuck her and her bunnyin.
She insists that her bunny gounder her blanket and then we
give her a little kiss and shesays door like get out Or she'll
say like close the door likeclose the door behind you like
cool But it was great because itwas like, okay, she's still just
doing the exact same thing andshe's not getting up This is
(08:04):
awesome.
And it happened for nap time andit happened for bedtime for the
whole first week We were like wewant we just won.
Yeah parenting Like, this isepic.
How did we get so lucky?
Week two, not so much.
Lindsay (08:19):
I wonder if that's common.
I wonder if that's common formoms or dads that have a first
successful week.
Jordan (08:26):
Yeah, and then suddenly the toddler realizes that
they're free and then it's allover.
So weirdly, she's been going tobed just fine.
Like, at night she goes downtotally fine, has still not gone
up, not gone wood.
But during nap time, um It'sshe's a little bit more awake
and she gets up like probablythree to five times every day
(08:47):
this week to kind of just likego read her books and she's
totally content to just be inher room and she's very tired
and every time I walk back inthere she like looks up and says
to sleep and I'm like, yeah,you're going to go to sleep.
And she runs over to her bed andwants me to tuck her in again.
And I do.
And I just keep doing that untilshe goes to sleep.
So hopefully that won't last toomuch longer.
(09:08):
Cause it's definitely cuttinginto nap time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's where we're at with it.
Um, she's only fallen out of beda couple of times.
That's something me and Adriandid consider, because the bed
that we have is like thecheapest Ikea.
Uh, crib, um, and the whole siderail just like comes off
altogether and there's not oneThere's like a toddler rail to
(09:29):
replace it which we're kind offine with because her beds only
like a foot off the ground Yeah,it's not like she's in any
danger rolling out of bed Butshe did wake up and it freaked
her out a lot the first night.
And then the second night shedid it again.
And then we were like, Oh, weshould probably do something.
So we put like a little pad downnext to her bed.
So if she falls out, she fallsonto the pad and she hasn't, I
(09:51):
don't, I don't know whethershe's falling out of bed now or
not.
Oh yeah.
Cause you don't know if she'sstaying asleep either way.
So it's cool.
Yeah.
I don't hear it and I don'tlike, Yeah, I think you
probably,
Lindsay (10:05):
yeah, I'm sure she would be like startled.
Yeah, she's like,
Jordan (10:08):
she definitely was the first couple nights.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The first night I, it took me awhile to wake up, but the second
night I think my mom brain waslike fully engaged because I, I
was like, I think I was justlike, Unconsciously listening
for that little thump and Itotally heard the thump and my
husband laughed so hard becausehe's like you were out of that
room before she even like took abreath in to start crying.
(10:30):
Yeah.
It was so funny.
I did shoot out of bed.
It was
Lindsay (10:33):
crazy.
One time I stayed in a hotelroom with my sister and her kid,
her two boys and her son, was inthe bed with mom because she
wasn't going to be traveling andhauling a toddler bed so she
slept in bed with mom.
Yeah.
Or he slept in bed with mom.
And then he just.
Like she caught him mid fall.
Like she woke up knowing thatmom instinct that you were
(10:59):
saying.
Like, yeah, I mean, I'm notquite there yet, but.
That mom instinct was happeningfor her and she caught him like,
it really is crazy.
I have never moved faster.
Jordan (11:11):
She's like, yeah, that's impressive.
Nice work.
Yeah, that's crazy.
All right.
So that's like enough about howit's going for us.
I'm going to talk a little bitmore generally about just some
of the research on,transitioning to a toddler bed.
Couple guidelines, couple thingsto think about, all the stuff
you don't want to have to go andGoogle.
(11:33):
so there is like a weirdly thefirst thing I noticed when I got
into trying to figure outwhether this was going to be a
right move for us or not.
Is there's a huge gap in therecommended age to transition
from a toddler bed.
Like we see all theseMontessori, toddler beds on
Instagram and stuff and you'relike, oh, those kids should like
one for sure.
(11:54):
And that's, that's kind ofgreat.
The age range is 18 months islike generally when people start
recommending to look for thesigns, at least of readiness in
your kid.
Some people say wait up to threeyears and they're like pretty
firm on like, don't take thecrib set off until three years,
unless it's like a safety issue.
So I thought that was superinteresting.
Um, hold you back, like make younervous to go ahead for it.
(12:16):
I didn't know because, and there the reason why is because we.
Well, this is kind of silly,maybe, but I don't want to buy
another crib.
Yeah.
Lindsay (12:26):
You were probably seeing the signs that she could
have been ready too.
Yeah.
Jordan (12:28):
Yeah, totally.
So we, I don't want to buyanother crib for this second kid
on the way.
She's looking, she's like gotother signs that I'll talk about
that are showing that she'sready to, to move to the toddler
bed.
And I didn't want her to makethat transition to the toddler
bed when the baby comes.
So for us it was easier to dothis like three months in
advance, transition to thetoddler bed, then she'll keep
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the crib when the baby's hereand we'll do bassinet in our
bedroom for a while.
And then once the baby's readyto transition into the crib,
Hopefully, like a month beforethat, we'll transition her into
a toddler bed before she seesthe baby take the crib because
something a lot of people don'tthink about is that if they're,
if you're using the same criband this isn't something you'll
have to worry about because youguys have Vivi's like forever
(13:10):
bed, but if you are planning onusing the same crib, your
toddler can get really jealousof the baby.
When they, when they take thebed over.
So if they're already havingthese feelings of like, you
know, like what the, what thehell's going on?
I've lost all the attention ofmy parents to this little baby
and now they're taking my bed.
And a bed is like, oftentimesit's a toddler's kind of safe
(13:32):
space where it's like, you know,the only place in the house
where it's just theirs.
So it's kind of a
Lindsay (13:38):
big deal.
So will you bring, maybe I justmissed this, but will you bring
the toddler a bed in while babyis in your room in bassinet?
I think so, yeah.
Because then you can say like Idon't know, make it a whole
thing.
Jordan (13:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
And at that point, I mean, she'salready like cognizant enough to
understand us when we tell herabout like her big girl bed and
getting into it and getting outof it herself.
And she understands like whythat's exciting.
So hopefully that trend willcontinue.
Yeah.
the reason why a lot of peoplesay it's better to wait until
your kid is three years old isbecause, One of the most common
(14:10):
causes of sleep problems intoddlers is actually making that
switch a little too soon So ifyou make it too soon, you might
notice things that like i'm howi'm noticing your toddlers
waking up super early They maystop sleeping through the night
They might not be able to godown very easily So if you if
you make this switch and younotice these things happening
(14:31):
and they're disrupting your lifenoted maybe put that real bad.
I think i'll I think i'm gonna
Lindsay (14:35):
put that off my daughter her first her first Her
first wake up of the night ormorning is around 4, 430.
Oh yeah, and she'll be out.
She'll be ripping.
I think that's when she woulddefinitely be getting up for the
day, and I'm like, okay.
Nope.
You just clarified that
Jordan (14:49):
for
Lindsay (14:49):
me.
Yeah, that's so funny.
Yeah,
Jordan (14:52):
our kid sleeps through the night still.
The six, she sometimes has wokenup at seven, so this, we're kind
of still trialing this.
We're just going to see if itlasts.
I mean, I think she's fine.
We can wake up at six for awhile.
Lindsay (15:03):
It's not crazy.
Months ahead.
And then after baby comes, youstill have more months.
Of like trial and sleepdeprivation.
Oh my gosh.
Jordan (15:14):
Yeah.
It's a lot to think about.
I know, I know we'll get there.
We'll get through it.
anyway, so how do you know yourkid is ready?
Let's just get into it.
So, whether they're 18 months orthree, if they're climbing out
of the crib, this is like thenumber one reason to take that
rail off.
That's a safety issue.
So if they're climbing out ofthe crib, you don't have a
choice.
(15:34):
You're moving to a toddler bed.
Yeah, I guess there, there aresome options.
If your, if your child's notsleeping well, but they are
climbing out of the crib, a fewthings to try.
This is a little, Recommendationfrom a girl called taking care
of babies love on Instagram I'vebeen to her website a number of
times for sleep questions Same,but she says to make sure the
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mattress is in the lowestposition That one kind of feels
obvious enough that maybethere's somebody out there who
hasn't Tried that turn the cribaround if one side is taller
than the other.
Lindsay (16:06):
Oh, okay,
Jordan (16:06):
that might work for you I could barely put my kid in her
crib, as it is, uh, because ofmy belly, my growing belly.
So a higher rail just soundslike a nightmare.
Lindsay (16:15):
Yep.
Jordan (16:15):
But that's something you could try.
you could put the crib in thecorner of the room that deters
some kids, I guess, and then putyour kid in a sleep sack.
So that's another thing we hadto consider when we transitioned
from crib to toddler bed is mykid was still in her sleep sack
and I didn't want her to get upin the middle of the night and
trip over her sleep sack, but Iguess this could work the same
(16:36):
in reverse.
Lindsay (16:37):
Okay.
Interesting.
Jordan (16:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would have
Lindsay (16:39):
thought that too.
I've been like, okay, I'm justgoing to put her in, continue to
put her in her sleep sack.
Cause I think her, the companywe use.
Goes all the way up to 36months.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
It's been, so I was like, I'lljust do continue that.
But yeah she's probably going tobe out of her crib or at least a
railing off by that, by thattime.
And you don't want her totransition
Jordan (17:00):
in the same, at the same time, but we transitioned, our
kid transitioned a really easyout of the sleep sack.
It's like summer and it's hot.
Yeah.
And so she was in a reallylightweight sleep sack, so that
probably helped.
But I also just gave her thechoice of blanket.
Oh, so we have a bunch of littlelike, you know, blankets from
when she was like a baby thatare light.
And I let her pick one out andshe picked obviously like the
(17:22):
hot pink one that she's obsessedwith.
And she has been so excited toget under that thing ever since
she hasn't thought about hersleep sack once.
Adorable.
So we did that about a weekbefore we took the rail off and
she was really happy with theblanket and really attached to
it really quickly.
So we thought that that wouldwork.
And for us, it did.
So.
(17:42):
But yeah, if your kid isclimbing out of their crib and
you don't want them to, try toput them in a sleep sack.
And then another one was to sayno firmly into your like two way
talk baby monitor.
I don't know.
That one wouldn't work for us.
Maybe there are some like veryobedient kids out there.
Yeah, no.
(18:03):
I could be like, that's cute.
Mom.
Yeah.
Go on about her business.
Yeah.
So let me know if that one worksfor you.
Cause that's, that'd be, you gota good kid.
So that's kind of how to keepyour kids safe in their crib.
The flip side to that is if you,if you have a kid who's climbing
out, obviously that's a hazard,but also if you have a kid who
(18:26):
is in a toddler bed, They couldstill hurt themselves getting up
and going around the house.
So you definitely want to makesure that you baby proof and
everything.
All right.
So another sign that they're=ready is as they're getting
older, they might ask for a bigkid bed.
this typically happens aroundlike age three.
So if you wait that long, yourkid might be seeing cousins or
friends beds and gettingexcited.
(18:47):
Yeah.
another one that's like kind ofa no brainer is when your kid is
just simply too big for thecrib.
I'm sure that happens plenty.
Mine, not an issue for me, butyeah, I'm sure that there are a
lot of people who have that.
A controversial one that I foundwas some say that kids who are
potty trained should betransitioned into a toddler bed.
(19:08):
Some people say that's not anissue because toddlers typically
don't really have control in thenight.
Anyway, yeah, but some say thatit's good for them to like have
the freedom to get up and usethe bathroom Which can actually
be like kind of the dangerousthing, too So yeah, i'd say just
make your own judgment call onthat one.
Yeah, but one thing that's kindof agreed upon is that it might
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not be a great idea to pottytrain and take the railing off
at the same time.
Right.
Like if you're really taking thediapers away and taking the rail
away, it might just be too muchfor your kid.
Yeah.
So the other obvious signs arebeing able to self soothe and
fall asleep by themselves.
My kid was totally doing that.
So we were like, okay, that'sprobably like the biggest one.
they're sleeping well throughthe night consistently.
(19:52):
and then they can show anability to follow other rules
around the house.
That's just so that you can likedirect them back to the bed and
ask them to stay there.
That's one thing I don't thinkmy kid is really kind of grasped
just yet, but she, you know, itjust means that I need to have
the patience to put her downfour times and We live through
it, you know?
And she doesn't get fussy atleast, so.
(20:13):
That's not too bad.
It'd be one
Lindsay (20:14):
thing if, like, through the night you guys were doing
that.
Oh, if it was through the
Jordan (20:17):
night, her rail would be back up.
Without question.
Yeah, you're like, you'reofficially not ready.
Yeah, uh uh.
Nope, that's a hard no.
I'm not losing my sleep overthis.
Not a chance.
Aw.
So another, another one that's alittle bit controversial is if
you have another kid who you'removing into the crib, like if,
(20:37):
in my case, you're havinganother baby and you want to use
the same crib twice, that oneactually got mixed reviews.
Some people said that that waslike a good reason to transition
your toddler, other people just,you know, Um, as I said before,
remarked on the jealousy pointand said that that can be a
little bit too much for yourtoddler, like emotionally when
they're already going throughthat change
Lindsay (20:55):
of seeing your energy and attention.
I think you guys are doing agood job by giving it plenty of
time.
Jordan (21:00):
I think so too.
It does.
It wouldn't feel like I didn'tread that before.
That was something I kind ofread after we made the
transition, but it sort of justmade sense to my head that that
would be a lot for my kid to gothrough at once.
And that's a yeah, that's aninteresting argument in favor of
like having a bed like yoursLike a four in one.
Yeah, so it's like a bassinetand then it's a crib and then
(21:22):
it's a toddler bed And then itgoes even further to a full
size.
Yeah,
Lindsay (21:26):
which is crazy full.
Yes, not a twin It jumps a twinwhich I'm kind of like, I wish
you have to go straight
Jordan (21:33):
to full from
Lindsay (21:34):
toddler Yeah, it's a big That's a big bet.
Yeah, she's going to be short inher life, thank goodness, but
yeah, it's going to be a bigone.
Jordan (21:45):
so that's an interesting argument in favor of having
those slightly pricier, but muchlonger lasting.
Yeah.
Beds that I would not havethought about when I was crib
shopping.
Like I thought did not cross
Lindsay (21:56):
my mind.
I didn't even know cribs coulddo that.
Jordan (21:58):
Yeah, same.
Alright, so then just a fewnotes on how to make the
transition.
If you think your kid's ready,all of those things I just said
sound workable for you and yoursituation.
Here's a few notes on how totransition.
A lot of them are obvious, butgood to go over anyway.
Yep,
Lindsay (22:14):
I want to hear this.
So
Jordan (22:15):
the number one thing is obviously make sure the room is
safe.
Your kid's gonna be crawling outof bed.
They're gonna be unsupervised.
It's inevitable.
So obviously anchor yourfurniture.
Check electrical sockets.
Check for cords and drapes theycan get wrapped in.
Check what they could climb onthat could potentially be
dangerous.
and then another thing to thinkabout is which rooms of the
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house will they have access to,or are you shutting them into
their bedroom?
So, for us, we were like, it'dbe so cute if our kid, you know,
came into our room and woke usup in the morning instead of us
sleeping.
getting her out of bed.
Um,
Lindsay (22:48):
so cute.
Jordan (22:49):
It was like day two.
We were like, this isn't quiteas cute as we thought it was
going to be.
Uh, that
Lindsay (22:56):
first morning experience.
Yeah.
Jordan (22:58):
Yeah.
And at this point we've kind ofjust gotten to the point where
we're like alternating days thatwe wake up if the other person
feels like they need a littleextra sleep.
But tonight I think we're goingto, uh, just keeping her door
shut.
She can't open the twistydoorknobs that we have just yet.
So, and she, yeah, if she cries,we can hear her very easily.
(23:18):
And if she actually, if shewants to get out of the door,
she just knocks on it.
So we'll be able to just hearthat and go grab her, but she
might just lay down and readbooks for an hour.
Hey, I'm tired.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think she'll be okay.
That's all she wants to do andshe's in her room.
She reads books.
(23:39):
She lays down on her floor andreads books.
My daughter does the same.
Yeah.
I'm cool with that.
You want to do that for an hourin the morning?
Be my guest.
So, wish me luck on that one.
another good thing when-you'redoing the transition, like I
mentioned, is to let them havesome choices about their bed.
So you could do bed sheets, youcould do like, where do you want
to put your bed in your room, ifyou feel really, really generous
(24:01):
as a parent.
Uh, yeah, for us it was likethe, the blanket thing.
She has her pink blanket, shechooses her stuffy, it's the
same one every night.
She must love her nighttimeroutine.
Yeah, and yes.
She totally does and that'sanother one is keep their
nighttime routine the sameexcept for that transition.
Like we kept it exactly thesame.
The only difference is insteadof carrying her to her bed, we
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set her on the floor and let herwalk to her bed and get in it
herself just to give her thatlittle like, yeah, and she loves
it.
She really took well to that.
So cool.
Yeah.
Let them pick something out.
Keep the bedtime routine thesame.
Have a consistent plan for whenyour kid gets out of bed.
I, like, why didn't we think ofthis?
I don't know.
It's just like one thing that wejust totally didn't think about,
(24:46):
but the first time she, so sherolled out of her bed twice.
Lindsay (24:50):
The
Jordan (24:50):
first night she rolled out of her bed, she was like
disoriented and crying, and I Ipicked her up and I was really
tired and I always think itsounds nice to co sleep because
I just like love her little bodynext to mine.
We don't co sleep and kind ofhaven't consistently ever done
it, but you know, I wasn'tthinking.
I just picked her up and broughther to our bed thinking, Oh,
(25:11):
she'll fall back asleep with us.
That's fine.
Um, I did not go back to sleepthat night.
It's not that like for us.
I, yeah, I don't know.
We, we upgraded to a king sizebed and even still, I felt like
she was, I had like a foot ofspace and it was just silly.
And then she woke up andobviously was like, well, I'm in
a new space and got all, sure.
(25:32):
Crazy immediately.
So the next night I was like weare from now on if she wakes up
or comes in a room or whateverhappens in the night.
She's going back into her crib.
Yeah, like first thing.
We just want that to be theprecedent that is set.
So have a plan beforehand.
Just save yourself that one ortwo nights of.
(25:53):
Save it for like
Lindsay (25:54):
your Travel.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Weird vacation days.
Yeah, like when we take
Jordan (25:59):
off in the van, totally we can sleep next to each other,
but, yeah.
Otherwise, have that plan.
Have conversations with your kidabout what it means to
transition, what's involved, um,and keep having those, like,
chats as you kind of movethrough the day and point out
their, like, new bed, you know?
You might not think that they'refully understanding, but I
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think.
My kid's only like, what, 23months and she definitely,
definitely understood all of itand was really excited about it.
And when my mom came over, shewanted to show her her new bed
and everything.
It was really precious.
So yeah, have thoseconversations about it.
And then, uh, another little tipis to start with nap time.
If your bed transitions easilyfrom a crib into a toddler bed,
(26:44):
or if you have a separatetoddler bed, Some people say
it's better to just do naptimesfor the first couple weeks or
until they kind of get attunedto staying in their bed so that
it doesn't interfere with yourown bedtime routine.
For us, this is a non issuebecause we go to bed way later
Lindsay (27:01):
than she does.
If she's gonna practice andpossibly wake up.
At least, yeah.
Or not go to sleep at all.
During the day.
Yeah.
Uh huh,
Jordan (27:09):
you're there.
You can watch.
You can see what they get up to.
Yeah.
Which has been really fun andhilarious.
Yeah.
And insightful for us.
Um, yeah.
And then you can put them backdown, obviously.
That's a good tip.
Without getting too sleepy.
And then, yeah, the last thingis, if your kid is rolling out
of bed, if you make that switch,and you're noticing they're
rolling out of bed, a couplecool things I've seen online
(27:31):
are, they have, like, bumpers.
I don't know if you've seenthese.
They make them for adult beds sothat you, like, I don't know,
like, to, like, make your stuffnot fall off the edge, or, I
don't know.
Comfort, but you can put one ofthose, they make those for
toddler beds.
Those are really cool.
Um, I've also seen like a littlehack.
That's just a pool noodle thatyou put underneath the sheet so
(27:51):
you can get like a very cheapversion of that and just pop it
under the kid's sheet.
And that acts as like enough ofa bumper that usually kids want
to fall out.
Is the
Lindsay (27:58):
bumper like a big pool noodle, like cylinder looking
thing?
Jordan (28:02):
Sort of.
It's like a half cylinder.
I think my sister has one.
Yeah.
It's like a, it's like a veryfirm.
Pillow that's like a halfcylinder and it's like, yeah, I
don't know, maybe five incheswide and just the length of the
bed.
Lindsay (28:13):
Yeah.
We use, and growing up we hadthese things that just slid
under our mattress and it waslike a side rail.
You could like pass play with.
Oh, that's fine.
And another one was like a minimouse one.
But yeah, there was like thesemesh cartoony ones.
He just, I did not even seethat.
Well, I don't know if they makethem anymore.
I don't even know.
Maybe.
Jordan (28:32):
I'm sure somebody somewhere does.
Lindsay (28:34):
Yeah.
Jordan (28:35):
Yeah.
So there are a lot of options toexplore if your kid is rolling
out of bed, and you still wantto make the transition.
So for you for later, I mean, Ican see your kid getting over
even that.
She'll
Lindsay (28:44):
probably roll out.
Yeah.
She's a little gymnast.
Jordan (28:47):
Yeah.
Lindsay (28:48):
She,
Jordan (28:49):
she's a little tumbler, that's for sure.
Yeah, so those are all the tipson how to make that transition.
Hopefully a couple of them arethings you hadn't thought about
or wouldn't have thought about.
Don't have to think too muchmore about.
I'm going to
Lindsay (29:03):
star this episode in realistic.
Jordan (29:04):
Yeah, good idea.
And let me know how it goes foryou.
It's actually a really fun, likesuper cute transition.
I didn't expect to Like for itto be so, it's like everything
else in parenting.
I didn't expect it to be like soexciting.
Lindsay (29:22):
I feel like everything seems like a hurdle.
Like how am I gonna do this?
Yeah, I used to this.
I just got used to this wholeroutine totally like hurdle
through this Yeah, and now it'scute, but there's a lot of fun.
Yeah.
Yeah reassuring.
Jordan (29:35):
Yep.
So that's it That's changing toa toddler bed.
Everybody Wow.
Good luck.
Lindsay (29:40):
Good luck to you.
Jordan (29:44):
Hoping for that extra hour of sleep tomorrow morning.
Yes
Lindsay (29:47):
Yeah.
Um, but we're doing sometrending things.
This is kind of pushing it wayback to fourth trimester, you
know, Bringing home baby.
Yeah.
What do you have?
What's trending?
I know we're talking about alittle bit of toddler stuff
right now, but you have a babyon the way soon.
I do.
I'm sure you have yourboundaries set in stone and
(30:07):
communicated and protected.
We will, we'll figure those out.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a conversation that stillneeds to be had.
I would imagine that your secondbaby coming along is going to
change a little bit with thoseas they did maybe initially with
your first.
Or, For those that are havingtheir third or fourth or fifth
child.
I don't know how that allchanges Can you imagine?
Maybe you just don't careanymore.
(30:28):
Yeah, I would imagine it.
You definitely have that mindsetAt least a little you'd have to
Anyways, anyway, yeah, so thetrending topic is new bringing
home new baby boundaries.
Okay, just okay We're you and Iare Millennials.
We have a generation below uscalled the Gen Z ers this trend
is way more common.
(30:51):
Exponentially way more common inMillennials and Gen Zers than
any other generation before us.
Jordan (30:59):
Yeah, that
Lindsay (30:59):
checks out.
I think boundaries have justgenerally become a lot more.
Yeah, okay, we all come fromfamilies that, Respect
boundaries.
We come from families that don'trespect boundaries.
We come from families that don'tknow what boundaries are and
they're learning and they'retrying to figure it all out.
Or they're not learning and nottrying to figure it out.
Yeah.
For others.
So there's a lot of layers herethat you just have to maybe
(31:22):
think about how and reflect onyour family and how this can
work for your family so bringinghome baby boundaries, how long
for visitors to start showingup?
How long for visitors to staywhen they come over?
This is definitely somethingthat a lot of new moms are
definitely putting the the heartof lying in the sand on
Jordan (31:40):
Another good thing to talk about with visitors is like
with your, with your partner iswhat can they do for you?
Like around the house, if theyoffer help, like what are the
things that you'll want them tohelp with?
I think having like a littlelist of that so that you don't
have to think about it when theycome over is also a great idea.
Yeah.
Lindsay (31:56):
So these are the top three most popular guidelines
that people are listing whenthey come up with their
boundaries and what they want todo to protect their love for
their loved ones that arevisiting.
Insisting on hand washing orusing hand, absolutely.
Hand sanitizer.
That's like an insist must.
Uhhuh.
That's the most common in ourgeneration right now.
(32:19):
That was for sure.
Mine.
I
Jordan (32:20):
bought like three different types of hand
sanitizer.
I was like, you can use whateverkind you like.
Yep.
They're out on the counter.
Your hand.
Yes.
There you go.
They're not,
Lindsay (32:27):
it's a different way of just like, rather than saying,
will you please go wash yourhands?
It, they're, you literally giveyour visitors a choice.
Hand wash at the sink or theirsanitizer on the counter.
You just don't like don't messwith it.
Yep.
Don't mess with that.
Easy options right there.
so here's another thing, askingvisitors to stay home.
If they show signs of illness,obviously, it doesn't matter if
(32:50):
sicknesses are more common, thiscan be a year round thing.
If you're not feeling well, it'stime for you to stay home.
Requiring them to wear a maskaround babies.
These are the top three mostpopular guidelines.
There's obviously more outthere.
one of them I had was, I had mydaughter in December travel was
crazy Christmas week, so RSV wasreally high that winter.
(33:13):
So what I did was I made sureeveryone was up to date on
their, um,
Jordan (33:18):
RSV vaccinations?
Yes, thank you.
What is this?
Lindsay (33:23):
RSV vaccination.
So everyone got updated, madesure.
I was like, if you cannot getupdated on it, you have to wait
until this winter is over.
So that was my, my experience asa first time mom.
I was like very hyper strongabout that.
I did not want to see mydaughter in the hospital with
RSV.
Especially as a newborn, thatwould have hurt my mama heart
bad.
so another one too, is talkingwith your partner.
(33:46):
What are some things that youwould potentially be intrigued
by, by setting a boundary foryour partner?
You're a new baby.
What are some of the things Ihave?
And just get a list going foreach other.
Then, all of a sudden, you'relike, building your list even
further.
Like, it's not just, You or me.
Now our lists together.
Now our lists beyond together.
Like what are the duties thatyou can do for me when Yeah,
(34:08):
like I don't have the words I,yeah, and I don't have the words
to like ask or I don't wantthere to be tone, be behind the
words that I ask either.
Yeah.
So this is all just out of likeout of respect, clarity,
messages out there, way inadvance.
Everyone's understood.
So you're
Jordan (34:27):
basically communicating your needs with each other, you
and your partner, aroundyourselves and around your baby.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think something that is superimportant basically is just off
the back of that slash is thesame as that is to communicate
with your visitors andcommunicate with the people who
want to visit you but you justwant to say no.
Just say no to them and explainwhy you don't need, I mean, you
(34:49):
don't even need to explain why,but it's so easy to say, Hey,
we're starting bedtime at 7.
Yeah.
Or like just simply saying,simply saying no can be really
hard, but I think that it'simportant to just communicate
that.
And then with the visitors whoare coming over, if you're
implementing rules like handwashing, if you're implementing
rules like you can't hold thebaby or whatever other thing
(35:10):
you've got, I think a reallygood idea is to just bring that
up with them before they come byso that the expectation is
there.
Yes.
And you can just kind of clearthe air so that when they come
over you don't have to have anyawkward tension when you're
like, I actually need you to dothis differently.
Yeah.
That kind of thing.
Lindsay (35:25):
Yeah.
So I think there's, you know, Ithink the hurdle here is that
the generations ahead of us arebehind us.
Shoot.
I don't know.
Are they ahead of us?
They must be ahead of us.
Okay.
So the, the generations.
Yeah.
Ahead of us, ahead of us.
(35:46):
Shoot.
Yeah,
Jordan (35:47):
no, that's
Lindsay (35:47):
tricky.
That's way tricky.
The generations, the oldergenerations, the older
generations than us They, youhave to understand, they've
never learned about boundariesand how to protect their lives
and yeah, or the, or they're intheir feelings and everything's
okay.
Yeah.
So they've just literally, thisis all new to them.
And I think probably the biggesthurdle is to like really make it
(36:11):
clear, like we're not like,Okay.
Upset with you, we're not likerestricting, you are just, I'm
not trying to punish you.
You're going to be just as happywhen you see the baby in two
weeks as you would be like rightnow.
So, yeah.
So the new baby boundaries islike a really hard trend right
(36:31):
now with Gen Z and themillennials when they're
bringing their babies home.
Yeah.
I love that.
I love it.
I'd love to see more of it.
I'd love to talk about it more.
Yeah.
I feel like I talk about it allthe time with people, with
friends, with my spouse, youknow, you have another baby on
the way.
I'm sure you guys are bringingit up again soon.
It's a good topic.
It is a good topic.
Jordan (36:51):
It's definitely something to, to like, and it's
a good way to like start yourlife with a baby, whether it's
your first baby or your secondor your seventh.
Like, I think it's, it's good tostart with joined understanding
between you and your partnerthat, that this is, it.
Your creation.
This family is your creation.
You might not have control overlike 95 percent of it, but you
(37:13):
do have control over whichboundaries you place on the line
that's drawn between your familyand the outside world.
Yes.
Lindsay (37:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jordan (37:21):
And I think that's okay.
Lindsay (37:23):
Absolutely.
Okay.
Yeah.
Jordan (37:25):
Cool.
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
I love that.
I love that as a trend.
I'm grateful that it's a trend.
Yeah.
I'm a big boundary setter.
So I'm glad that I'm not justout here being a bitch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
Yeah.
Cool.
Lindsay (37:39):
Who needs a recommendation?
I'll take one.
I You got one?
Yeah.
I, I've needed this like yearround, but this is really nice
right now because it's freakinghot out.
so there's a company out there.
You would like this companybecause it's like all organic
cotton.
Nice.
No shit in their clothing.
Love no shit.
(37:59):
Shit
Jordan (37:59):
free zone.
I mean it's no, no zone isactually a shit free zone.
But
Lindsay (38:04):
it's a clean shit.
Yeah.
Okay.
So this company.
I think they come out of Denveror Colorado because they do have
a storefront in Boulder, whichI'm dying to go to.
I love Boulder.
I do too.
Did you know the Sundance FilmFestival might go there?
What?
No.
Yeah, of all the places that youwork, there's six cities up for
(38:27):
grabs.
So the top three are, I think,Boulder, Utah still, and then
Santa Fe.
Thank you.
Santa Fe, I can see.
So they might keep it
Jordan (38:34):
in Utah.
Yeah.
Move it to Santa Fe or move itto Boulder.
Yeah, those are like the topthree.
Yeah, Redford moved to NewMexico somewhere.
He's in the Santa Fe area.
Yeah,
Lindsay (38:42):
fine.
I mean, that makes sense.
That'd be a cool town for that.
To like kind of linger and SantaFe is a cool
Jordan (38:48):
town.
Lindsay (38:49):
Have you been, I have, it's awesome.
I would love to go.
I didn't even know it was atseven, like 7, 000 feet in
elevation.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And
Jordan (38:56):
the drive is beautiful.
Yeah.
I was my, uh, my kid wasimplanting in my uterus the week
I was there.
Lindsay (39:02):
Oh, cool.
That's cute.
I, we did look at like Santa Feto get married there.
Jordan (39:09):
It would be
Lindsay (39:09):
cool.
It would have been very hot.
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
But anyways.
Boulder, Boulder.
This is girl talk.
This is how girl talk works.
We're back.
We're back on track.
We're back.
Okay.
So they have a storefront inBoulder, Colorado, and this
company is called PACT, P A C T.
So this company has a clothingas well for women and men, and
(39:33):
then they have a home line.
Okay, so, um, I needed coolingsheets.
Postpartum.
Bed sheets.
Yeah.
Bed sheets.
Yeah.
Bed sheets.
Not like cooling sheets for yourface.
That's what I thought Lindsaywas talking about.
Yeah.
Not like uh, it isn't.
Yeah.
It's, it's cooling, the coolingeffect sheets for your bed.
(39:54):
I needed them during postpartum.
These are freaking incredible.
They are called the organic coolair pergyl sheets.
How do you pronounce p e r c a le?
Purkle?
Purkle.
Not sure.
Organic Cool Air Purkle Sheets.
You can have a full set ofthese.
You can have anything separate.
(40:15):
Like you can, if you just need acool pillow.
You pillowcase.
Yep, you can just buy apillowcase from them.
I love that.
If you just need like the, youguys don't use the top sheets in
your bed, No, I never dideither.
I only use the fitted for likemy whole life.
And then when I went throughpostpartum, all I wanted was a
top sheet and nothing else.
Yeah.
(40:35):
So then that's, that's why I gotthe set, I don't know what it
is, but it literally is, they'relike the best quality.
They are worth every frickingdollar.
I'm not kidding.
Like, You could go and findcooling sheets anywhere, right?
Amazon, I'm sure, Target,Pottery Barn, wherever.
I am telling you that thesethings actually give like a
(40:56):
cooling effect to them.
They're wonderful.
So I can't recommend themenough.
Jordan (41:00):
Good, I will keep that in mind in the next couple
months while I'm dying in bed.
Actually, we have like a reallycool bed blanket, but I still
have been hot at night.
So maybe I'll have to check themout.
Get it.
Yeah.
Sweet.
Thanks.
Thanks for that.
Awesome.
Well, I hope everybody likedlistening to us talk about beds
and bedsheets.
(41:21):
Yep.
Boundaries and other beds.
Yeah.
Lindsay (41:28):
There's a B type of all of our bases.
Great.
We hope that we're not bitchesto our, when we set our
boundaries.
Jordan (41:36):
Bye.
Um, if you're not already followus, uh, we're, uh, on Instagram,
we have kids podcast, like ussubscribe to us.
If you want to leave us areview, if you're feeling extra
sweet in your little hearts anduh, yeah.
We look forward to seeing younext time.
Hearing you, speaking at you.
We look forward to speaking atyou next time.
(41:59):
Bye.
Bye.
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