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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a
movie podcast, where every weekwe recommend a movie for you to
watch and then come back hereand listen to us discuss.
I'm Jesse, I'm Jason.
This whole night we've beenworrying there's some dark
version of us out theresomewhere.
What if we're the dark version?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Because this week we recommend Coherence.
Coherence, jason.
No, hold my hand through this.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Ah, so I'm a big timey-wimey guy.
Yeah, I like when things justkind of feel off and weird.
I do too, and you're kind ofit's like are we traveling
through time?
Are we traveling through space,different dimensions?
I can't get enough of lowbudget sci-fi shit it's.

(00:54):
This movie was $50,000.
Holy cow, 8,000 went to thecharacter Lee's wig Because they
had to do reshoots.
Nice, and it was $8,000.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hell yeah, so it was a forty two thousand dollar
movie after they're doneshooting I don't know whoever
bought it.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I hope has it and wears it every day for eight
thousand dollars.
Yeah, so did you understand thefilm?
Sort of, I feel like the filmdoes a great job at explaining
things pretty well, but you haveto really be focusing in on the

(01:32):
movie and I don't know, let'ssay, if you're partaking in some
I don't know alcohol or drugs.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
it might be a little harder If you're in a K-hole,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
It was funny.
I was on imdb and they said Iread a review and it said this
movie made me feel stoned and Imissed that feeling, so I'm
gonna go out and get some weed.
I was like, oh, this movie madesomeone do smoke weed.
Oh, that's wonderful.
Like this is how you know it'sa good movie.
Well, so in the first place,did you like it?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, I did.
It does solidify the fact thatI will never go to a dinner
party, if I can help it.
Yes, because this is low this.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, this movie came out before the Invitation, but
this is Low budget sci fiversion of the Invitation.
Low budget, sci-fi version ofthe invitation.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, Is it is part of the entertainment of a dinner
party, like having people comeover and like dig up their ugly
past Right.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Is that part of it, I think with movies it seems.
Well, movies got to have, youknow, a reason to exist, so it
can never just be like let's allhang out at a dinner party,
nothing weird is going to happenhere.
But yeah, usually in moviesit's always like, hey, we're
having a dinner party.
Did you know that there's ahorror monster outside?

(02:58):
Did you know that if you walkthrough down the street into
this blackness, you just comeout wherever reality you're?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
going to come into.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's like I just wanted to come over and drink
wine and eat cheese.
At least this dinner partywasn't as ridiculous as the
invitation, Whereas, like youguys should never see each other
ever again.
This one they have.
Some small things in the pastis mainly just oh, Lori's here,
some small things in the past ismainly just oh, Lori's here.
He dated my boyfriend and thenyou know the Mike and Beth

(03:31):
situation where he, I guess,slept with her like 10 years ago
.
Compared to the invitationwhere it's like my ex-wife's
here and she might be in a cult,it's like leave, let's learn
about the cult, why are youstill here?
At least this one it gets themin touch.
They kind of get trappedimmediately.
So there's, they can't leave.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Essentially, well, maybe they can.
I don't know the realityroulette yeah, that or they.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
They got into a pretty reasonable reason why
they feel like they can't justdrive off because they're so
scared and have no idea what'sgoing on.
And the invitation it's likeyou should leave.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
You should leave you should leave, like every every
five minutes.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
you're like leave, Leave.
Why are you here?
Because we're all locked inside.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Until the door gets locked, and then it's like, oh
well, I can't leave now.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
But yeah, I just think that, holy crap man, you
do not need $300,000 or $300million to make a good movie.
You can do it with fiftythousand dollars, some
shoestrings if you just yeah, Imean, if you just you just need
a one location, a very like,which is that's essentially what

(04:33):
the director wanted.
He's like I just want to shootthis in my house, which he did,
um, but he only had five days todo it, because his wife was
eight and a half months pregnant, damn, and when they were
filming the Emily stuff walkingaround, at the end she was
giving birth.
Oh wow, yeah, like you gottaget the fuck out of this house,
which is just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Was it a home birth?

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, it was a home birth.
Oh, they should have filmed it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
They live in LA.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I want to get my placenta all over the place, but
if you just work on your ideasfor the movie, you have it
concrete, you know, and you getlike relatively decent actors
and you just, if you just haveto.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I don't even know how to explain it.
It's just really good.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's just, the idea was just too good to fail, right
yeah, and you're like I justdon't know what the movie is.
Yeah, but I think also, likedarkness is is so scary enough,
like it's.
Yeah, there's so much mysterywith when it comes to darkness
that you can make it scary yeah,you know it's just like a,

(05:44):
especially with the graininess,like if you ever you have a
sleepover with your friends whenyou're a kid and y'all go out
in the dark and everybody's mindjust wanders and you end up
getting scared about shit.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
That's not there dude walking down a dark hallway.
Yeah right, that feeling thatsomeone's behind you, I mean
it's just the darkness becauseyou can't see it's scary.
I get like that sometimes inthe morning I'll wake up and
I'll walk and I'm like, is therea shadow out in the garage?
But it's just a cat walking bythe nightlight.
We have out there.

(06:15):
You have the litter boxes.
I'm like I don't want.
And then, plus, we have aHalloween skeleton in there that
we just kind of leave out allyear.
His name's Guillermo.
But I'll look, I'll wake up andI'll look at the at the back
door, which is a sliding door,and I'll see his reflection.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I'm like, fuck, I thought someone was outside it
gets me every time I'm moreafraid of stepping on Legos in
the hallway, yeah, tripping andfalling on everything and waking

(06:52):
everyone up and then having todeal with that.
Is true.
My biggest scare scares us.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
waking natalie up like 4 am in the morning.
I'd be like god, I would hateto wake up in the morning
watching her sleep shaking infear.
Please don't wake up.
Um, I think this movie isamazing.
It does a great job.
It was nice to rewatch.
I've only seen this once before.
I started watching it to takenotes and I never heard of it.
Yeah, it was just kind ofpopped up on a list one day and
it was like you know, I wasgoing through a list Trippy

(07:16):
sci-fi movies.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh, I'm not Well it's like I don't have to listen.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
No, no, no, no no, Don't even know how to find that
it's not real, Don't worryabout it.
And then I watched it and I waslike, oh my gosh.
I immediately had to makeNatalie watch it.
She loved it.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
She had to chain her down, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
And what I love is I've only seen it once, and then
it was last night.
I was like, hey, should wewatch it?
Rewwatch this for you so youcan be caught up with the
podcast.
She's like I actually watchedit not too long ago.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I was like oh my gosh , I may watch a movie that she
liked.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Which I hope everyone listening, watched it and liked
it.
Where was I going with this?
Hmm, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I don't remember either.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Oh, it does like such a good, especially when you
first All right.
So I first watched it I waslike, oh, this is amazing, gave
me chills and everything.
I knew most of the plot,remembered most of the plot, and
so when I sat down to re-watchit yesterday I was like, damn,
this movie builds attention sowell but very it's so subtly
builds attention.
It all comes together when thesecond, the note, is left at the

(08:24):
door.
Like Amir and Hugh come backand they're like, oh, we, we're
all upset, blah, blah, blah.
And then he's gonna write anote, he's gonna go back, hugh's
gonna go back to write a noteand put on their door.
And then they're like, oh shit,someone's there, the music's
kind of swelling, and then theyopen the door and you just see
it and you're like, oh, that'swhat this movie's about.

(08:44):
It was literally I had my legskind of crossed on the recliner,
you know I just get thegoosebumps feeling.
And then I see all my hair.
It's like, dang, my hair justtook Viagra or something.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Maybe you can help explain it to me.
But yeah, bro, don't worry, Iwas a little confused.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
I wanted to make sure I knew this movie so well.
I watched multiple videos ofvideo illustrations of them
simply explaining it with likethis on the screen it had house
one, house two.
Here's this group of people'sover here Now.
This group of people went tothis house and is like oh, this
actually really helped me.
A very visual learner.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, I should have done that, but for me a lot of
the tension came from wonderingif they had all been drugged.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
And if it was all just like K-Holtz, I would have
been so upset.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
If it was, that would have been the worst, like no.
So let's hop into some facts.
I don't have a lot.
I honestly said like half ofthem.
So let's hop into some facts Idon't have a lot.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I honestly said like half of them whenever I said the
wig thing, didn't they justgive the actors like note cards,
bro, yes and ad-libbedeverything.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, pretty much it was five.
They shot 50K, five nights,single location.
The dialogue was largelyimprovised.
The actor who plays Amir he's aco-writer of this, co-writer he
just came up with the, I guessthe the design of where they
need to be story beat wise,because you know they didn't
have dialogue.
Um, he sent.
He was the mole who helpedguide the scenes if the actors

(10:18):
went astray, because instead ofscripts, the actors would each
receive only a small paragraphthat only they would see as
their goals for the day.
This allowed for the story tounfold naturally and create
genuine reactions, like whenKevin tries to leave the house
by himself.
That's him, emily's boyfriend.
She was given the note to notlet him leave, and so the

(10:40):
director, I guess, was.
There was an issue, I think itwas when Amir and Hugh came back
After 45 minutes of the housenot letting them in, the
director had to come in.
It's like all right, guys, yougot to let them in.
All right, we said you'resupposed to kind of resist, not
make sure they don't get in ever.

(11:02):
But yeah, that was really funnyand let's see what else.
So this is actually a funny one.
The neighborhood was supposedto look completely dark when the
first group visits the otherhouse.
It was this, but so it's likeyou weren't really supposed to
see anything but theneighborhood.
Or it was the same night as aSnickers commercial was being
filmed in the neighborhood whichused huge lights and hundreds

(11:23):
of people.
So you got a giant Snickerscommercial and then, just a
little further down the street,some people were like can you
keep it down please?
We only have $50,000 to do this.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
They threw them a Snickers.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Just like get over it , dweebs.
The crew had there was onlyfive crew members two sound guys
, the director of photography,the director and a producer
there.
That's all they had to work onthe film.
And then, of course, the actors.
Um, yeah, oh, there is also.
So it was to the point wherethe actors didn't know who the

(11:59):
main characters were.
It wasn't till the character mwas trying to figure out the
numbers on the back of thepictures.
Yeah, when she realized, ohshit, I'm the main character of
this movie and lee, the girlthat takes a nap, she thought,
um, it was almost liketwo-thirds of the movie.
Into the movie she finallyfigured out oh shit, this isn't

(12:24):
a broad comedy, so she didn'teven know she's in a sci-fi
movie, she thought.
I guess that makes sense,because when you watch her she's
usually laughing abouteverything.
She's the only one that seemsto be like kind of free-spirited
and it's like oh, nothing'sthat big of a deal, yeah oh, I
guess she found out when it wasthe third day of filming that it
was she was the lead character.

(12:44):
She gets super serious.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, I do like the idea of like celestial bodies
causing us to act weird.
Yeah, you know say likewhenever people say Mars or
whatever is in retrograde, orlike, what the fuck does that
even mean?
That gives you permission toact like a total jackass.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, I think we should normalize that.
The moon and the stars aremaking me act weird.
I mean, do you think that haslike any effect on people?
I think it does.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I mean, they're pretty huge.
I mean if the moon canliterally control our water
right at the ocean, who knowswhat it's pulling apart in our
brains, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's like, maybe it'll like turn our brains
backwards one day, and we'lljust be like what do you think
backwards?
I'm the backwards man, I'm thebackwards.
Man, I can walk backwards fasterthan anyone can.
Daddy, would you like some?
I guess, since we can't, wekind of probably should just get
into the plot.
So that's where our bulk of ourconversation is going to be and
this is probably the.
The way we structure our movie,or our podcast, is probably

(13:51):
best for films like this, causeI'm sure there's going to be
people that are like wait, whatshould I need some white guy in
Tennessee to explain this movieto me?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
And that's what I'm here to do.
What you told him where we were, damn it.
What you told him where we were, well, we've dropped that 500
times.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
We probably dropped it a little too close to where
we actually live.
It's okay, I went online.
It's hard to find us though.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
None of our locations are set.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
All right, you ready, man?
Oh, but before I do this, everytime I always say are we ready?
Oh wait, One more thing.
Don't forget that, as we'regoing through this, think about
what's the point of this movieand what's it trying to say.
And well, hopefully Jason willfind out what it's trying to say
when.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I explain to him what it's trying to say.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
But yeah.
So after we go through the plot, we're going to say what we
think the point of the movie is,what we think the point of the
movie is, and we'd love to hearwhat you think the point of the
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All right, let's hop intoCoherence 2013.
So we start off.
It's going to be eight friendsreunited at a dinner party one
night in California when a cometpasses.

(14:59):
We start with Emily driving tothe party in a very blurry and
shaky camera type way.
Kevin has something importantto say to Emily, but her phone,
kind of, is going dead and thenall of a sudden it cracks in her
hand what the fuck?
And it's immediately like wegot something going on baby.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, that was really cool and totally insane, like
what the fuck could have causedthat.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Wouldn't that be?
Just even if nothing else badhappened to be like I have to?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
that's a night ender.
Now I have to deal with thissituation.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's like my insurance card's in with my
phone, if I this thing breaksand I get pulled over I'm
screwed.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
This insurance covered comet damage right yeah,
but seriously, that's probably.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
If nothing else bad happened that night, that would
be the most stressful thing ofthe night, it's like this is
going to take so many days tomake sure I get one.
It's like it's probably aSaturday night, so you're going
to have to do Sunday.
They're not going to be able toship it to you to either Monday
or.
Yeah and be like can I have aphone that's in the back?

(16:05):
No, we have to ship it to you.
By the way, you have to signfor it.
We won't just drop it off andthen we're also going to have it
.
Make sure that it's thefurthest distribution center
away, so you can't just go drivethere.
And then we have threepossibilities to get this phone,
then we ship it back, and it'slike what medieval age era do we

(16:25):
live in with phones Like Amazonwill literally drop anything
off in like five minutes.
Okay, well, I guess I had arant built up in me that I
didn't know how to.
It's okay, you got to let it out.
It's just the phone company'sgot us bent over a barrel.
Yeah, they do, all right, andwe love it.
Yeah, so in this phone break wecut to black or we fade to

(16:47):
black.
Great start, did you like it?
So I know it's low budget.
Did you like the look of thefilm?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I did.
Yeah, I do like the kind of thelow lighting, kind of very
intimate situations.
It's like you're a voyeur.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's almost like phone footage, but not really.
I don't know yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
It is cool, so Em she goes inside to the party where
we meet Beth an empath.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
She's great.
God, she's insane yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
She's like a mix between Rose McGowan and oh my
God what's her?
Name.
I did this last night too,halloween Girl Laurie Strode
that actress.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, I don't know, but like she's, yeah, you know
the whole thing.
Saying that you're an empath,does that mean you have empathy
or does that mean you seepeople's auras?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, she sees auras and stuff.
She's a hippie, so strange.
She's a posh hippie.
She's Gwyneth Paltrow.
Yeah, just without all themoney that Gwyneth has.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
At least she brought party favors, If anything.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
She's kind of the coolest person there.
I don't know she got drugs Cool.
Actually my favorite was Hughthe whole time.
Yeah, then we meet Mike and Lee.
They're married and that'spretty much mostly what we get
them.
They're gossiping about one oftheir friends, amir, bringing
someone named Lori, who's avixen and is wild.
Beth and Lee also have aconversation about buying a

(18:15):
plant at a thrift store.
That doesn't seem like it shouldbe in the notes, but it will
make sense later.
I really like I immediatelykind of like the friend dynamic
and I love Mike.
He's got like kind of a shiteating grin.
Yes, it's the alcoholic guy.
It's just like you could seethat.
He's like the one that wouldjust like poke a bear.
Right, he's just like yeah,there's something awkward here.

(18:38):
I'm going to make sure it getsbrought up.
And I love that.
Movies.
I love when there's a wild card.
Oh no, um.
So beth wants to put ketaminein people's food.
If they are nervous, they'reall like what?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
no, she say that.
I thought she's just like hey,if you want some, I got it.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, that's what I meant they'd have to ask, but
she was just like, yeah, ifanyone feels nervous, it's
mainly for him because you know,an ex girlfriend of kevin's is
coming, uh, but she, oh, there'snot that much in it.
There's like this oil, thisseed, this oil and a little bit
of ketamine.
Em's like what.
Like just a little bit.
It's watered down.
And then Kevin and Hugh show up.

(19:17):
Kevin and Emily hug, butsomething seems off.
Little do they know.
There's something off about thewhole night.
Kevin asked Emily if she wantsto come with him on his business
trip to Vietnam and she doesn'tsay yes, it's like a four month
business trip, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I feel like you get a parasite if you go to Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, but you know it was like it's a long time to
ask your girlfriend to go withyou somewhere.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, cause she's probably got.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
she's an actress, right, she's a dancer, but it
doesn't really seem like she'sdoing much dancing anymore, but
it's also it's like well, heseems to have a pretty nice job,
like we could probably just goup there for four months, but
that is a long time.
Might be All right.
There's a I kind of understandon both sides.
It's like, well, if we're goingto eventually get married, you
should probably come with me onthis trip.
It's also like a four-monthvacation.

(20:09):
It's like, yeah, but can't youvacation in like Italy or
something?
Can you get like?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
a job.
Vietnam's got some beautifulplaces.
I really don't know anythingabout Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I've seen a lot of pictures of like resorts and
stuff.
He's even like well, why don'tyou just come for a month?
And at the same time I'm like,yeah, that's only like, that's
like a month out of the four,that's not too bad.
But then in the same time in myhead I'm like you're gonna be
gone for a month.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
If I don't have a lot going on, I'll probably.
She is in this reality.
So to break the tension and toadd another layer of tension,
amir and Lori show up and itturns out Lori is Kevin's
ex-girlfriend.
Boom, boom, boom, and Amirshouldn't have brought her.
They all hang out and eat andeverybody starts talking about

(20:58):
how they have no service ontheir phones.
Em thinks it's the comet andeverybody's like it's the
fucking comet.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Did they say which comet it was?
Was it?

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Haley's comet oh, I don't remember which one.
They said it was cool though.
Yeah, oh, I know, and it wasapparently a practical effect,
so it wasn't CGI, so I don'tknow how they did it.
I couldn't find in the notesanywhere.
It's almost like they had amatch and then they were like
pulling it across because it waslike kind of sparkly yeah and
every time they cut to it I waslike I could just watch this,
yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
And then when they go outside they're like and
they're like, let's go back andstuff.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
No, I want to stay here and watch this cool-ass
comic Like should we have a lotof more awkward conversations in
this house?
Sure, let's go Get the ketamine.
But Em shares a story where inthe past a woman called the
police because she thinks herhusband isn't actually her
husband.
When asked why she says thatshe says she killed her husband

(21:50):
the day before they're like theycouldn't put her in jail
because her husband's standingright there.
It's like, yeah, they probablyput her in the loony.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
They also could just arrest you for saying things
yeah, you have to have evidence.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, but what do you do?
It's like no, there's the body.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
That's him.
It's like oh yeah, that wouldbe different.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's like well, who's this?
I told you it's him.
It's like, does he have a twin?
It's him, it's like no, no,you're both arrested.
Yeah, but yeah, that's just.
You know, this part of themovie is just kind of like oh,
something weird is going tohappen with this comment maybe.
So they have generalconversations and then Mike

(22:34):
asked what Lori does and shesays she's works with at risk
youth.
He asked about her teachingyoga, but she says she never did
that.
She asked what he does and hesays acting.
He says he was the lead in theshow roswell.
She says she loves that showbut doesn't remember him in it.
Attention to dr rye.
Amir also didn't know.
lee has a sister so they've it'salready I think when amir and

(23:01):
laurie came to the house, Ithink maybe they passed through
the black part there.
So maybe they're from a realitywhere he wasn't really on the
show.
Maybe that makes sense, orthey're just all kind of being
weird assholes.
At this point it could goeither way and at this point
it's not like the biggest dealyeah, it doesn't really.
But there's this kind of thisoffness, because I can't tell if
it's just like Mike and herjust kind of going back and

(23:24):
forth or something.
Okay, but it is weird that Amirhas been friends with Lee for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
He's like I didn't know, you had a sister Like well
, there's a picture right therethat leads to the door to
nowhere.
Yeah, that's what this partwith Em kind of frustrated me.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
She's like if somebody comes over to your
house and is like, hey, I reallydon't like this corner of your
house, yeah, right, okay, it'slike thanks, that's great.
Thanks a lot, yeah, and thatpicture was super fucking weird
yeah, it's like why you got noother picture of your sister not
doing something weird?
like a part of me thinks likemaybe that was one of the other
actors and they had to like kindof cover their face so you
couldn't tell.
So then Lori asked what Em isdoing.
She used to do a dance show butshe got replaced by a better

(24:11):
dancer when we learned Em didn'ttake it the understudy part
because she took too long todecide.
I don't know what she's doingwith Kevin.
And the understudy went on tolead the show and become a
famous dancer.
Understudy went on to lead theshow and become a famous dancer.
Um, and I just love at thispoint because people are
constantly asking questions orsaying things after, after the
person explains their answer,and it's just like cutting right

(24:33):
to the core of every singleperson.
It's like y'all don't have tobe confrontational.
You should get lessconfrontational friends.
Guys.
The life is messy.
That's what.
That's what we'll learn.
So kevin tells a dream story hehad when he was dating laurie.
M's face immediately like outof all fucking life events, you
go to the one time you're datingthis girl.

(24:55):
That's here.
It immediately feels awkwardand doesn't hide it.
Then hugh's phone cracks.
M says the news said this wouldhappen, but they didn't.
They don't believe her.
They try to use the internetand it's not working either.
The phone cracking is such agreat thing.
It is cool, so fucking weird.
And it's totally the same phonethey used at the beginning.
You can't tell me it's not,they just put a new case on it.

(25:17):
But this is where it'simmediately Hugh.
For some reason maybe it's justthe way he looks he looks very
kind of, he's the calm guy.
He seems like he's just kind ofthere to have fun.
Everybody seems to really likeHugh.
And then he kind of starts tochange because Hugh needs to
call his brother.
Who's the scientist?
Brother said to call ifanything weird starts to happen.

(25:38):
Then suddenly a power out Bunchof weirds that happens.
Hell, yeah, there was somethingabout it being Hugh,
specifically being the onethat's like seems like the dad
there almost, because he seemsolder than everybody.
Yes, he's so tall and it's likethis is the guy we should run
to.
He seems to kind of thinkclearly.
So when he's like, yeah, Ishould probably call my brother,
you know he said if somethingweird happens.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
They're like what do you mean?
Something weird.
He's trying not to make peoplepanic.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, he's being very dad about it.
Don't worry kids, everything'sjust fine.
So the power outage occurs.
Uh, the mike and lee have someglow sticks that they want to
use for life and they decide touse the blue glow sticks
brilliant purple.
Yeah, they look purple, I thinkwith because of the camera, but
they're supposed to be blue.
Um, but, what a great visual,like way to like know whose

(26:28):
characters are who at thebeginning, because you got the
red, green glow stick guys andthe blue glow stick guys.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
They're the blue ones that's a fun thing to have on
the.
I guess the power goes outthere all the time because the
earthquakes, yeah, maybeprepared, or, and you know, beth
uh seems to doing likes to dodrugs.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, wait, no, that's Mike and Lee's.
I don't know, yeah, it's Mikeand Lee's house, I don't know,
yeah.
So everyone goes outside andsees one house up the street
still has power.
They also watch the cometoverhead and then they go back
inside.
They see a glass is broken,which they didn't notice before.

(27:08):
So they're different.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
They're already in a different dimension.
They're in a different house.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
So they have went from house one, so they went
into the darkness, went to theportal and saw the other house
and they went back.
They never show the house, yeah, they don't show it until Mike
goes over there.
And then they came back andthere's just small little things
different.
So now they are in a differentreality where all the groups
went and they came back and Iguess they essentially replaced

(27:36):
the group that went out and cameback in to where now there's
one glass, because that glassthat's broken shows up like five
different times in this movieNot broken.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
So we are currently.
It chills a little bit.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Everybody I know, because it's.
This is what kind of blows mymind about the movie, right?
Because, let's say, when youknow the different reality
groups start coming in and outand they're all getting mixed up
, it's like, oh, it's not a bigdeal, they're all still kind of
the same people.
But because you think it andyou know that they're not the

(28:10):
exact ones that you know, it'sscary really funny if they came
back and they've got, like oneof them's got hot dog fingers.
Yeah it's everything everywhereall at once.
Oh, but I love it.
So we're immediately in anotherreality for them now.
So they will never see houseone ever again.

(28:31):
Their life as they knew iscompletely gone now, even though
it's almost exactly the same,just there's a glass broken so
they could have.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Also in this reality, the food could have been
drugged and yeah potentiallyAnything could have happened at
that point.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, oh, oh.
So Hugh and Amir go to.
They decide they're going to goto the other house to ask to
use their phone.
Hugh again brings up that hisbrother said that if anything
happens, that he should go andtalk to him and that everyone
should just stay inside.
They're like, yeah, so shouldyou.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah but not really really well this.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
This is a different situation now, and so the power
goes out.
They seem to be in this poshneighborhood in california.
Why are they so damn scared?
Right, it's like how long havey'all lived here and know this
place?
Is it really that dangerous togo outside when there's no power
?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
but yeah, I guess you never know it is California.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, it just seems like they're probably like in
the hills somewhere.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, nobody can get to them seems like, yeah, seems
like exactly like the invitationyeah, exactly because they're
all in the hills, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
So M tells a story about a comet passing over
Siberia and it exploding in theatmosphere and flattening trees
and killing two people.
It's like the Tarkovka comet orwhatever.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, there's something incident.
Yeah, the Tarkovka.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Tarkondus, something like that.
Yeah, I can't remember.
Then suddenly a bang at thedoor happens and they check but
no one is there.
I'll get the bat.
Yeah, normal, hugh and Amirshould be back by now.
Mike gets the generator running, beth wants to go get Hugh and

(30:14):
wants to go get Hugh and them,but the group says no.
A few minutes later, hugh, doyou think?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Oh shit.
Do you think that the house,the only house on the street
with the lights on, was theirhouse after he turned on the
generator?
Yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
That's what it is.
Well, so it's different, right?
There's points where it couldbe them going to the house
because it seems like thereality some are ahead of time,
some are kind of a little backin time, so whenever they go,
they're going at differentpoints.
It's not the exact in time, sowhenever they go, they're going
at different points.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
It doesn't, it's not exact same time.
And that's him knocking on thedoor, checking out the other
house.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yes, Jesus, Because every hue, every hue goes to the
house and the knocks on thefront door but no one hears it.
And every hue goes around andbangs on the side door Shit.
And every Hugh falls down andhits their head and every Amir
sees Hugh sit down a box andthen every Amir picks up that

(31:12):
box and goes back home.
Damn yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I got chills.
Okay, that's awesome.
So.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Hugh and Amir should be.
I already said that.
A few minutes later, hugh andAmir come back with a box At the
other house.
Amir says he saw Hugh come, seta box down and run away.
So Amir grabbed the box.
Hugh says he did not, uh, setit down.
Hugh also says he saw something, but he won't say what he was.
Um has a cut on his head.
Hugh's temper is also raised.

(31:41):
Um, they also put a, a clothband-aid on his head.
So this is no longer their Hughand Amir.
This is a red.
We'll find out.
This is a different set of Hughand Amir.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Bizarro world.
Hugh and Amir.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, they're the same, but they're not in the
right house.
They're visitors.
Doesn't that suck, wouldn'tthat?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
suck to be in that situation.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
You're like shit, no, to be in that situation.
You're like shit, no, yeah.
So inside they find a ping pongpaddle and pictures of
themselves, including one thatwas taken that night of Amir,
with the numbers written on theback.
It's immediately like wait, whotook you to that picture?
Was somebody outside.
Why a ping pong paddle?

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, he's going to get into some spanking?

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, he's going to get into some spanking.
Yeah, I just love the thingbecause you can watch a mirror.
And he's like that that'simpossible.
This was taken tonight.
What do you mean?
I bought this sweatshirt today.
Yeah, well, who took it of you?
He's like I haven't taken afucking picture.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
They think it came from, like the door.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, like potentially outside the door.
They're like no, he's lookingstraight at the camera.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, and it's like right in his face.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, it's like you can't miss taking that picture.
But at this point I think thehouse is like you're probably
messing with us.
So Hugh says that the otherhouse.
He saw a table, wine glasses,plates.
He saw this.
He saw exactly what they'redoing.
So much more sense now.

(33:11):
So Kevin gets upset and accusesthem of banging on the side
door to scare them.
Hugh says he did not do it, buthe banged on the side door of
the other house.
Hugh is going back over thereto leave a note, to use their
phone, but they see someone atthe door.
We see Hugh starting to writethe note.
When they open it and they seethe exact note Hugh is writing

(33:33):
on the door and it's sofantastic.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
And it gives me chills.
I think that was the firstpoint.
I was just like so confused.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, it's like wait, what are we doing?
It's just if that actuallyhappened, man like for some
reason and it's all because it'slike handy cam.
We're in there, we feel likewe're a part of the group and
it's just like the way therealistic filmmaking puts you
into that situation.
And then, when that happens,you're like I didn't know this
was going to be this type ofmovie right.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I would have, I think , immediately would have thought
that he was just messing withus.
Yeah, right, and it's like hisnote.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, and because it would be creepy that if someone
left a note on the door but it'sjust the added fact that it's
like he looks at his note whilethey're reading it and we see it
and we're like that's the sameeats, it crumbles it up.
You'll never see what I wrote.
So on a notepad, emily writesdown the numbers from the box,
looking for a pattern, but theycan't find one.

(34:30):
Then Amir realizes that one ofthe pictures that was taken from
that night and in their house,but no one took a picture of him
.
They have no idea what is goingon, so they drink.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
That's a good answer.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
That is something this group does a lot.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I need a drink.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
It's like guys have your wits about you, let's get
in the right headspace.
It's like maybe they wouldn'thave left the house if they
would just quit drinking.
So after the group leaves, emtells Kevin that it's her
handwriting on the back of thepictures and I love that because
she just puts it.
She's like I wrote these.
They're just numbers and theyput yeah, but is it her exact?

(35:07):
five oh yeah, and she's like I'mpretty sure I wrote this and
she's like whoa.
And then she's like by the way,kevin, I'm fucking pissed, you
told a story about when you andlaurie were together.
It's like you don't have anystories about us.
He's like, well, we don't dothat type of thing.
It's like, oh so, we don't dothat type of thing, guys it was
really funny when he's it saidthe bears.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
The dog's name was bears.
He's like bears, the mostcommon name for jelly's like
bears and there's no common namefor bears.
Yeah, I thought it was.
I want to go to her party yeah,she seems like a fun person.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Tell me more facts and mike seems like he'd be cool
too, as long as he doesn'tdrink and get into alternate
reality situation.
So emily, kevin, mike and Loridecided to go to the other house
to see what the fuck ishappening, and then so they go
outside.
It's those four.
They have their little blueglow sticks on and then they're
walking to the other house.

(35:58):
So this group is officiallyseparated from those people
Forever, forever they go.
Mike's like this is my house.
You're like no, dude, it's notyour house.
Like this is my house.
You know when it's your house,right, it's like it looks,
everything looks exactly thesame.
He's just like yeah, so they goand peek in there and while

(36:19):
they're, they're like they thinkthey hear something.
So they walk away and theyencounter what appears to be
copies of themselves carryingred glow sticks at the house
they originated from, and bothgroups flee back to their homes.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I love it that they're just y'all's like uh,
what are we doing over there?

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Because it's dark out it's probably kind of hard to
see them, but it's like thoselook exactly like us Shit.
And then the red group, kind oflike bolts first and they're
like shit, let's just go theother way, do you?
Would that be what you do, orwould you be like hello, yeah I
would probably try to talk tothem.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I feel like I would say hello if they're both in the
same, in from differentrealities in the same, but if
they talk to each other likewon't the world implode, or
something, We'll get into thatin a second.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
So Emily's group explains to the others that, oh,
and then they go back into thehouse.
So now from the original housethere's only four people left
Emily wait, who all went?
Emily, kevin, mike and Lori.
So they're the original peoplefrom House 1 still there.
So Emily groups explains to theothers that they met copies of

(37:32):
themselves, except the copieswere wearing red glow sticks
instead of their blue glowsticks.
They also talk about a part ofthe road that's darker than the
rest.
Apparently Hugh and Amir alsowent through it.
And then this is where we alsoget Amir making like a stressed
out looking face, and we'll seesoon.
Hugh goes to his car and getsnotes from a physics lecture.

(37:53):
It's about Schrodinger's cat.
So there's in Schrodinger'scats like there's a cat in a box
with some poison and while thatcat is in the box with the
poison and you can't see it isboth living and dead and the
only way you change it is whenyou open it and then you know
for sure what it is.

(38:13):
But quantum physics rightexplains that there are two
realities one, where the catlived and one where the cat died
.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Hell yeah, I tried explaining this to one of my
daughters one time.
Yeah, I just had to stop.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, because I didn't really understand it
Right, yeah, because once you go, any further than that.
It's way too complicated.
So Hugh says so, listen to this.
This is what he's written.
There is another theory thatthe two states continue to exist
separate and each creating anew branch of reality based on
the two outcomes.
Quantum decoherence ensuresthat the different outcomes have

(38:47):
no interaction with each other.
But oh, the name of the movieis coherent.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, I love quantum physics.
It blows my mind every time Itry to learn about it.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
It really is just people that just thought really
hard one day and were like weshould start coming up with
theories about this.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
And there's particles that go backward in time.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
And they have these facilities under a mile under
the ground or whatever thatmeasure these particles that
travel through other materials,and they Dude.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
I love it, I love it so much it's fucking sick.
I love listening to podcastsabout it.
It's great.
Don't know what they're talkingabout but I love to hear it.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Sean Carroll's Mindscape is what I listen to.
Oh really.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I'll have to check that out, but what I like is
it's essentially it's just thatI feel like the quantum physics
part of it where your head well,I guess the schrodinger's cat
or it's like, it's all prettymuch up to your head that cat's
alive or dead, whatever youdecide, until you open the box,

(39:49):
you can just leave the boxclosed and say it's a dead cat,
right, um, and it's kind of likewhat they are.
The group is the sameessentially, but because they
think they're different, they'redifferent.
Nice, right from there, because, like you're not from my
reality.
It's like, yeah, but if he'sacting the same and he's the
exact same person, cause thiswhole point?
They're all pretty much fromdifferent houses now and they're

(40:12):
like, oh no, we're different,we shouldn't be here, and it's
like, yeah, but you're kind ofthe same and it's okay if you
just didn't think about it.
It'd be like oh yeah, we're justfriends.
I don't get it.
I like it Right.
That's how I kind of view it.
All right.
So after reading those notes,they deduced that the comet has

(40:32):
created a split reality and thatone of the realities will
collapse when the comet passes.
The group argues about how todeal with the other house and
it's like you guys don't 100know that they're gonna collapse
on each other?
let's all leave the house againyeah, uh, mike just disguised
you know what?
Let's fucking kill them.
He wants to kill the devilsbefore the devils can kill them,

(40:55):
they consider because hethought about it, it's gonna
happen it's like I'm thinkingabout it so that guy's thinking
about it and it's like yeah butyou're, the guys are saying
don't do it.
But what if there's a realitywhere they say, do it, but like,
what we'll kind of learn isthere is no reality where they'd
ever do that as a group, or atleast that we see?
So they consider also stealingthe physics notes from the other

(41:19):
huge car to hinder the otherreality from getting the same
knowledge as them, other realityfrom getting the same knowledge
as them.
Because they deduced this?
Because when the group went outand saw the other house, mike
saw lee up and didn't see bethin the house that they came back
to.
Beth or lee is sleeping becausebeth gator gave her ketamine,
nice.
So beth is the one that toldthem to get the book.

(41:42):
But because in the other housethey think that Beth is still
sleeping, that no one wouldthink about going to get the
book, so they won't read this,so they won't think to come over
and kill them.
It's like a game of catch.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So that's why they want to get it.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
It's honestly like the game werewolf, which I know,
or mafia, or whatever they callit.
It's like you got to kind offigure out who's who.
So in that reality, beth took anap, not Lee, so they think
they wouldn't know to get thepaper.
Hugh doesn't think they shoulddo it and refuses to give Mike
the key.
But Mike decides to blackmailthe other houses Mike to prevent

(42:17):
them from getting the lecturenotes.
He's gonna tell himself that heknows about him sleeping with
Beth.
It's like what the fuck are youtalking about, mike?
Stop making bad decisions.
Let's all kill ourselves sothey won't live.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, it's so great.
Look at the South Park episodewhere they have to keep having
gay sex, so they don't.
Yeah, the future people won'tcome back and steal their germs.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I do remember that one.
So we also learned that Bethgave Lee some ketamine to help
her sleep.
Em asks it's like, all right,don't be mad at me and I'm sorry
that this is crossing the lineDid you put any of the ketamine
in our food?
But we learned she didn't.
They think they may have beengroup hallucinating, but Hugh

(43:03):
shuts it down and says likeyou'd have to take a whole
bottle each and then you stillprobably wouldn't have a mass
hallucination like this.
Might be paranoid, but not thismass hallucination.
And then we see Beth and Leehave the same conversation about
the plant from earlier and Mnotices Dang.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
So it's like oh, where'd you get this plant?
It's like they're meeting, oh,this thrift store.
They're talking for the firsttime, even though they've
already had this conversation.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Well, yeah, they're talking about that plant for the
first time because in Beth andLee's reality the two people
that have never left a house, sothey're just as boring in the
other reality, yeah, they stilllove that plant.
In every reality I get it.
So at this point M notices,notices it.
Suddenly it's revealed thatHugh and Amir are from the house
with red glow sticks, becausethey're like, the red glow stick

(43:50):
box isn't open and we all havered glow sticks except for them.
So Mike comes back in themiddle of them packing up.
Mike says he dropped the letteroff.
He says this to Kevin and hethinks he was gone for 45
minutes, but it was only fiveminutes.
He's like you're crazy.
It's like Mike, the wholenight's crazy right now.
So this Mike is no longer theMike from house one.

(44:13):
This is a completely differentMike now because he went into
the black void by himself andcame back.
It's kind of a magic.
So he's, he's a he's a magicMike.
Now it's real.
Yeah.
So Hugh and Amir take the boxand go back to the other house.
The others think that they mayhave been from the other house
in the first place.
Kevin tries to leave but Emstops him.

(44:34):
She wants to recreate the cluesfrom the box, since they should
all have the same photos.
So he's like she's Mike, go getthe photos for me.
And he's like I'm going to getanother bottle of wine I've
decided to be the worst versionof myself during this racial
situation.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
So that's why.
Ok, that makes sense that shewas asking people what numbers
they remembered.
But yeah, a little later, yeah,she wrote them down.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Ok, yeah, so Lee is worrying about Mike and his
drinking.
Beth puts ketamine in her owndrink.
Lee is washing the glass thatwas broken from earlier in the
film, so it's not broken now.
Yes, so because Mike, kevin, mand Lori, when they went out
alone, they went back to a thirdhouse.

(45:17):
When they came back they werein a third house where that
glass never got broken the hell.
So because you know, when thewhole group left once they came
back to a second house that hada got broken.
What the hell.
Yeah, so because you know, whenthe whole group left once they
came back to a second house thathad a broken glass.
Yes, and then they all left andcame back and now the glass is
not broken, jesus Christ.
Yeah, this is easy.
What are you talking about?

(45:38):
And then Mike comes back and hefinds all the pictures they had
earlier from the box.
So Mike and Lee had all thepictures that they saw in the
box.
Kevin and Laurie talk in thehallway.
They talk about him not wantingto go to Vietnam.
They obviously still like eachother.
Laurie tries to seduce him andthey kiss, but he stops it.
But Beth is watching.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Oh Beth.
And then the generator goes offBum, bum, bum.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Outside they hear some someone smash shoes, car
window and they go out toinvestigate, while outside Emily
has a sweet conversation withher boyfriend, before realizing
she's talking to a Kevin from adifferent reality.
Then she goes back inside.
It's so fucking good, causeit's just, you know, she goes to

(46:26):
get her little ring in her car,which will come back to play
later.
It's like something he won forat a fair.
And he's like hey, what's up?
And they just kind of have atalk.
And he's like so are we good?
Is everything OK?
And she's like it's like isLori a problem?
He's like no, who knows whatshe's thinking because maybe in
his reality they didn't havethat conversation and she didn't
try to kiss him.
I don't know, I don't knowanymore.

(46:46):
And then it's just like whatwas he?
It's like this huge car okay.
And that kevin's like what areyou talking about?
Like the car y'all went to gocheck.
And he's like I don't know andthen they both kind of stare at
each other and they're like shit, we aren't the right ones.
No, no, you're the problem,yeah but then he runs inside and

(47:10):
then she goes inside and seesthat her Kevin's in that house.
So Jesus, um, like thespider-man, all putting fingers
yeah, it's like you know you, ohyeah, we see the whole group,
but so it's such.
It's another like chills point,right, because she realizes
shit, this is not the sameperson she was out there with

(47:31):
and then, like coyotes kind of,start the music swelling a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
The coyotes are in the background which makes it so
scary oh, I mean holy shit,dude, so what if they all just
could have gotten together inthe same house and just had a
big party with each other, withWith different realities of each
other, instead of trying tosabotage?

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, I'd be like all right, y'all cool with just
staying together, just us six.
It's weird.
Maybe let's get to know eachother, it'd be fun, fresh and we
can talk about each other'srealities, kiss yourself.
Hey, who's president?
Did Donald Trump ever run forpresident?
Can we go to your reality?
Yeah, so um hugh and amir withblue glow sticks return, because

(48:09):
you know they wave their blueglow sticks.
This is the point in when theywere filming, where they
wouldn't let them in, oh yeah.
But so then he came in.
It's like y'all just wavey'all's blue glow sticks and
y'all think it's each other.
So they explained that theyfound two notes at the other
house.
They realized that there aremore than just two realities at
this point.
God damn it.
And they switch from one houseto another when they go outside

(48:32):
and walk through the dark areaBecause they're like, well, no,
we had two notes.
Like, yeah, we had two notestoo.
It's like I don't know, it'swon't get confusing the group.
And then also they're like waita second, that's not the
bandaid you were wearing.
That's a different bandaid.
That.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I put on your head.
Just go like Hello Kitty.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah.
So the group decides to put arandom marker in front of their
house as the marker they leaveas a marker, they leave a random
object and photos of themselvesin a box and on the back they
write down the numbers they getfrom rolling the dice.
So, essentially, so that's theone that they found in the
beginning.
Yeah, but so it's almost likecause and effect.

(49:16):
Right, it's because they foundthis.
They're all like shit.
If we're thinking it, they'rethinking it.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
So there's just almost like this endless loop of
people stealing boxes andputting boxes outside.
They all get together anddecide to just be to stay inside
or just go home.
Yeah Right, just like don't gooutside ever again.
Let's just hang out.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Well, that's where the personal drama comes in.
So they check out their newnumbers compared to the numbers
from the other house's box whichthey wrote on the notepad
earlier, compared to the numbersfrom the other house's box
which they wrote on the notepadearlier.
Emily realizes that the numberswritten on this notepad aren't
the numbers she wrote on thenotepad earlier.
She wrote the other ones, Ithink, in like red or green ink
or marker or red or blue marker.

(49:58):
um, when she asked other people,she finds that lee and beth are
the only ones whose memorymatches what's written on the
notepad, because they're theonly ones who haven't left the
house since they wrote thenumbers on the notepad.
So they're the only people thatbelong in that house.
Damn, emily goes.
We're all visitors Shit.
Kevin and Lori are the onlyones whose memory matches

(50:20):
Emily's memory since they both,since they're the only ones who
have traveled with her the wholetime.
So Kevin, em and Lori are fromthe first house.
They're the only ones.
Hugh and Amir remember a thirdset of numbers since they
switched realities when theyswitched to the red glow stick
house and again when theyswitched to the current house.
So this is the third version ofAmir and Hugh that they have

(50:43):
met.
Mike remembers a fourth set ofnumbers since he switched
realities when he went to goblackmail himself.
So this is a second Mike.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Self-destruction.
I love it.
What if you said one guy thatjust kept running willy-nilly
through the dark area until hefinds a reality he likes?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah that's what M does at the edge.
It's a reality.
Yeah, it's like that's what Mdoes at the end.
But and then M also.
There's a point where Hugh iskind of calculating all the
possibility different numbers onhis phone and then M's like his
phone is not broken.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
It was broken in house one I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
So the situation deteriorates further.
When a blackmail note arrives,Mike makes Hugh reveal his phone
.
They all know that the groupsare from different realities.
Mike mentions that if there's adark version of the group, it
must be them.
It's like I think you guys areall just kind of fucked up a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
So if his phone wasn't broken, does he have
access to the Internet, or isthe Internet out everywhere?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
I think the service is still down because not
everybody's phone broke.
Maybe he sat in a differentseat where his phone didn't
break, I don't know.
So all of a sudden another Mikearrives, barges into the house
and starts punching the otherMike, scaring Lori.
Mike, fight yeah.

(52:06):
And so then he like he comes in,he punches him and then the
other people come out and he'slike shit, this is weird.
So he bolts and then, likelori's kind of checking on mike,
and then beth starts drippingblood onto lori, who I guess is
scared of blood because she'strying to take off her like
straps from her dress.
Um, and then kevin comforts herand emily's just watching this
and is like all right, well,kevin obviously likes Lori.

(52:27):
These people are fucked up.
I'm just going to get some morewine.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I'm just going to go out.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
And then she opens the door and she sees another
note that Hugh left.
So it's a different Hugh atthis point, but is it the same?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
note Same note, but it's just like a different
version.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, so everybody.
So it's just like a differentversion.
Yeah, so everybody.
So it's just this never endingversion of Hughes going there
and putting notes on and Amir istaking boxes.
So Amir leaves the house andlooks through several different
houses, finding things are evenworse than other ones.
There's one where she's justcrying and then, like, lee goes

(53:02):
to talk to her and she's likeget the fuck out of here.
And she's like bleeding on hermouth.
There's one where two mics aretied up, yeah.
And there's one where Lori andKevin are getting back together
and telling everybody that he,like, they're, they're in love.
You hear a mirror.
You told me she was crazybecause I'm and her are dating.

(53:23):
I must have missed that.
That was where she's justwalking through the darkness.
I kind of looked up what thosesituations were supposed to be,
so I know a little bit extradetail.
Cool.
Finally, she finds a realitywhere no one seems aware of the
split and there's a happy EmilyIn this reality.
Emily had agreed to go toVietnam with Kevin at the
beginning of the evening andtheir relationship had stayed

(53:44):
strong.
She plans to replace thisreality's emily, so she goes.
She destroys the car window ofhue to lure the group outside,
and then when m goes to get herring, she uses the ketamine and
suffocates her with it.
Yeah, so then she comes.
She comes in from, with thewith on, like from the door to

(54:06):
nowhere Boom, boom boom.
They're like what are you doing?
It's like oh, I had a reallygood view of the comet out there
.
They're all like let's gooutside.
And she's like please.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Hang on, you're happy .

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Please don't go outside, I could ruin y'all's
lives by doing this.
So they all go look out.
The comet's starting to breakup, it's about to be over, and
then she's still inside and shenotices that the other emily
that she suffocated is crawlingback in, going to the bathroom
to drink some water.
So this is forcing emily tosubdue her again in a bathtub by

(54:39):
hitting her with a toilet tank.
Okay, and her ring falls offthe tube.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Okay, I was like wondering what.
Why were there two of them inthe same room?

Speaker 1 (54:49):
that makes so much more sense yeah, it's because
she I guess the ketamine didn'tcompletely knock her out,
because you have to use a wholevial.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, it must have been really watered down it was
watered down.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
So she then heads to the living room and faints.
She's like fuck, what a night.
I'm out, yeah, what happened?
And she just, yeah, she.
So she.
She wakes up the next morningunable to find her double.
Yet everything seems fine.
Lee's cooking, cookingbreakfast.
We see the glass that wasbroken in house.
Two still fine, sitting out todry.
Uh, we see beth coming out ofthe shower.

(55:20):
Like you, okay, I'm so.
We're all so happy in thisreality, is everything good with
you?
Um, she searches outside andruns into kevin.
His cell phone rings.
He notes that the call iscuriously coming from emily's
number.
While listening to the call, hestares at her suspiciously.
The end.
So in this reality, there is nowtwo emily's yeah, so it's kind

(55:42):
of like the story she told atthe beginning, where it's like I
killed my husband.
This can't be him, oh yeah,right, that was the whole
foreshadowing.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Well, yeah, what if the two Emily's fall in love and
they just run off together?

Speaker 1 (55:56):
I was talking to Natalie, I was like I'd be
totally cool.
I'd be like, hey, come to myreality.
We have the same life.
Yeah, you can switch out Like,uh, we'll switch like days that
we work.
Hell, yeah, it's a real twinsituation.
Or I'd be like let's telleverybody I have a twin.
You get to palletize with mebecause I really just want
someone like me to be myco-worker, someone competent.

(56:20):
Yeah, just want to, just wantto know I can trust somebody.
I'd probably still find reasonsto be mad at myself, like why
were you over?
There talking to Jason.
I want to go talk to Jason, butI can't because you're talking
to Jason.
But man, that's coherent.
That was really cool.
That make you feel any betterabout it.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
There's house jumping .
Every time they go out to walkto the other house they go
through this black.
If they don't go through theblack thing, they can come back
into the house and not be in adifferent reality, but they go
far enough into it.
When they come back they're ina different house.
It just turns into like an eyeswide shut situation and it
seems like because of thedecoherence when they go back

(57:05):
they seem to always go into asituation where they perfectly
fill out um kind of perfectlyreplace the ones that left yeah,
and it seems like it only getsa little weird.
Wait, no, because there's timeswhere hugh comes over and does
it.
I mean, I guess any, anythingcould happen.
I guess there's infinitepossibilities, right, that's
essentially all this is.

(57:25):
But, we're not smart enough togo into that.
So at the heart of this moviewhat's the point of the movie?
Comments are scary.
You're like I just nowunderstood what the movie was.
I have no idea what the pointis.
Yeah, not really I likecomments.
I've never seen one.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Uh, they are cool um, yeah, I don't know I think.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
I think it's just fun , fun thought experiment it's
obviously, I feel like m is themain character and like if we
just look at what her deal is,like she never makes the right
decision and like all herdecisions keep leading to worse
decisions and it's messing upher life Right, so it's.
I think the movie's aboutconfronting your problems are

(58:11):
better than trying to take ashortcut.
Yeah, that's right.
You have to fix yourself.
Just not going to a differentreality and being the same way
that you are is going to fixeverything.
Right, she may replace thatemily, but is she?

Speaker 2 (58:23):
really gonna.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
All the same, she's still gonna have to go to
vietnam and she, she obviouslydoes not really want to.
So I think it's just about yougotta confront your problems and
you gotta, you gotta, make thedecisions.
It's her problem.
She won't make the decision,she just procrastinates until it
just falls apart.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yeah, that's what I guess.
The point of the movie isreally interesting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, good cool, Idid it.
Time loops yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
So, uh, we'll go to our next category the good, the
bad, the ugly, the fine.
It's where we discuss the goodof the film, something we like.
The bad, something we didn'tlike.
The ugly, something that didn'tage well.
The fine, something that didage well.
What do you like about themovie?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I don don't know, I like the wee-woo of it.
Yeah, the wee-woo-iness.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, it's very trippy, and once you start kind
of finding out what's happeningas you go, it's very fun.
It is fun.
I love this type of shit,though.
Yeah, it's very much in mywheelhouse.
I've watched so many movieskind of with oh shit, what it's
like, why I like Lost and allthat shit.
Right, yeah, it reminds me alot of the movie Sphere,

(59:32):
whenever they find the sphere.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Have you seen it, I think, when I was a kid?
Maybe whenever a person looksat it unless it's a new one
their body it's kind of liketheir body switches into a
different reality like their.
Their self gets sucked up intothe sphere and it kind of like
ghosts up and like disappears init and then they're.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
When they go back, they're completely different
people oh shit, is that a recentmovie or older?
It's an older movie okay yeah,I definitely think I've watched
it and I just don't remember it.
It was cool, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
That's what I was thinking, visualizing what was
happening when I go through thatportal.
Yeah, but they also have likedream powers when they come out.
I have dream powers.
Everything they dream aboutcomes real.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Oh hell.
Yeah, that's awesome for mygood.
I just kind of put just just awell-crafted sci-fi movie man.
It's when they're really tightand well-crafted, they're always
good.
It's like if you added 30 moreminutes to this movie it'd be

(01:00:39):
unbearable.
I'd be like I can't handleanymore.
You can't keep going to houses,and that's what I love about it
.
It I love that it's like small,tight and fun and creepy in
like, a very likenon-conventional creepy way, I
don't know.
I always love like a masshallucination.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
That's always fun too .

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Yeah, you got anything for the bad not really.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
No, it's just maybe that it was like too confusing
for me while I was inebriated.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yeah, yeah, I should have told you like maybe you
should just just go into itfully sober, because I watched
it yesterday morning, obviouslysober.
It was like 8 am and then Iwatched it with my wife later
that night and I was smoking anddrinking and I was like I was
thinking like, oh yeah, this iswhere this part happens and that
means that they're in thishouse now.

(01:01:31):
And then I was like wait, butdoes it.
And I was like shit, I'm gonnaconfuse myself your ball of yarn
and tax I was like I shouldn'thave thought about it.
I'm gonna confuse myselftomorrow.
Um, I didn't have any bad.
Um, I guess, upon like a coupleof rewatches recently.
Um, I guess maybe I'd kind oflike a bit of a different ending

(01:01:52):
.
I don't, I don't know why.
It's like maybe, maybe I justdon't want the movie to end is
what I'm feeling it's like Ijust want it didn't feel like it
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
They had kind of reached a conclusion.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, and it feels because we left the group and
we're kind of I was really intothe group, yeah, and like the
wackiness of it.
But I get that they followed.
They specifically wanted tofollow one character all the way
through from house one to likehouse six at the end of it.
I'd like to see it go further.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yeah, Maybe see what else happens.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Yeah, maybe give them $100,000, see, yeah, maybe see
what else happens.
Yeah, maybe, maybe give them ahundred thousand dollars, see
what they can do.
Coherence two yeah, thecoherency the re-coherency
coherence two electric boogaloo.
Um, I don't dislike the ending,though I do just want to put
that on record.
I do find it still a goodending.
It's just like part of me kindof wants something different.
I just don't even know what Iwant.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yeah, Cause they're like that.
Is that portal closed foreverbecause the comment disappeared?

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
When the comment disappears, you're stuck in
whatever reality you're in, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I want to see some other realities.
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah Well, we saw a few, I don't know, but like
apparently there's a deletedthey dinner party doing a seance
.
Oh shit, yeah Nice.
I guess they probably thoughtthat might have been a little
too wacky.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I don't know that would have been great Summoning
a fucking demon.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
That would be coherence too, I feel like Very
cult-y stuff.
The Ugly, my Ugly is that thedirector hasn't really had any
more projects since this.
He seems to be friends withGore Verbinski.
That's the guy that did theRing, yeah, pirates movies,

(01:03:39):
because he worked on and he alsodid Mouse Hunt.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
He's kind of just he just worked on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
he's been like an art department on all of Gore
Verbinski's movies Love, mouse,hunt.
He wrote Rango, though Nicethis director did.
I mean, that's pretty much it.
And it's just like, dude, youmade a, you made a film that
people love for only $50,000.
How do you not have?
I mean, was it really that?
It was like a big hit?
Actually, I probably wasn't.

(01:04:08):
Just based on, you know, thefact that no one knows about
this movie except for, like me.
Well, a total gross it madeover $100,000.
So it doubled his budget.
it almost it almost tripled hisbudget 150 000.
That's not a lot, though it's a.
It's a uh, it's definitely afan favorite and a kind of a
cult hit.
Yeah, it is cool because oncepeople watch it they usually
like shit, and usually I wentthrough and looked at the one

(01:04:31):
star reviews and it's justpeople like me, not understand
that sounds like me barbarian.
You want to watch person be.
And I was like man, it's likeit's in the one.
I see that I'm like you'reprobably just looking at your
phone half the time and youdidn't see, you didn't hear this
one little thing.

(01:04:52):
But because I feel like, withwhat they I mean, I feel like
they did a pretty good job atexplaining everything you just
have to really be focusing andpaying attention.
Yeah, um, and so the fine wegot for the fine.
What age?
Well, not dinner parties yeahthey never will you're asking a

(01:05:13):
bunch of people to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
I don't want to see a movie about a normal dinner
party.
That would suck ass.
Yeah, I just don't want to haveone?

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Yeah, I'd have one.
I'd just have to specificallyinvite certain people that I
know to get along Harry Potterthemed.
Yeah, that'd be sweet.
Yeah, I put the fact that, youknow, not every fucking sci-fi
movie has to have $300 millionbudgets to be good.
Sure, yeah, sometimes, if youjust have a good idea, it just
works.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
And if you get the right people together, yeah,
that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yeah, and I think that's it All right.
So we're going to hit our nextcategory, double feature.
It's where we recommend a moviealongside this movie Jason what
do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I was going to say gonna say Bird Box because of
the scary darkness, but then youjust said Sphere.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Sphere Also Sphere, but also Donnie Darko.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
That's true.
I fucking love Donnie Darko.
Donnie Darko is so good and Inever really understood the time
lapse or the reality switching,until much later in life.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
After watching it as an adult.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
It's just such a really cool, good, moody ass
movie.
I love it, donnie darko that'sthe greatest soundtrack I'm
gonna say donnie darko and it'slike it's the movie.
Between that and gears of war,you can't put mad world in any
other pop culture thing.
Wait what oh?
The song mad world it plays indonnie darko, and it's also in
the gears of war.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I didn't know it was in the Gears of War trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
It was like the first games trailer and I just
remember like I love this song.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
It's from Donnie Darko.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
And as I've gotten older I'm like man.
Those two things are so iconicfor those things Can you even
use it in anything else withoutit seeming like a joke.
I I decided I can't remember ifI recommended this, but I
actually watched it either lastyear or earlier this year.
It's a movie called Triangle.
Five friends set sail on theiryacht and it is overturned by a

(01:07:02):
strange and sudden storm.
A mysterious ship arrives torescue them.
What happens next cannot beexplained that sounds cool as
hell.
It's a timey-wimey stuff, yeah,but it's.
They're essentially gettingstalked by this killer.
Is it in like the bermudatriangle?
Yeah, obviously.
Yeah, I love um.
It's a really cool trippy movie.
The cgi in it is fuckingterrible.

(01:07:24):
There's a part where theiryachts flipped and they're on
the top of it.
The water's so fake, it's allso fake, but it's very.
It's low budget, but what theyget right, man, they get right
and they.
It twists your mind and it'sgreat.
It doesn't 100 work like thismovie does, but like the beach,

(01:07:44):
yeah you just get old yeah oldthe movie where people get old.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Oh no, it is called old.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah, there's there's a movie called the beach, as
has Leo.
That's a different movie, yeah.
It was written by Alex Garland.
Who did you know Ex Machina and?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Civil.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
War and stuff.
That one was pretty cool,directed by Danny Boyle.
I have yet to watch it, but Iknow everything about it.
There's also a couple otherones.
There's a movie called theEndless.
It's a movie called the endlessum, it's the movie that, uh,
the people that did moon night.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Okay, I thought that was pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
They did a lot of really cool trippy movies back
in the day.
Um, there's also time crimesit's a movie that asks what if
we did time crime?

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
yeah, that that's another movie, general custard
didn't?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Triangle and Time Crimes are kind of those movies.
Time Crimes is a foreign film,but it's all about.
It's another loopy, doopyfucking thing and it's great.
Probably considered the bestwould be Time Crimes, just from
a critical perspective.
So if you want to watchsomething, that's also really
good Time Crimes is it likedubbed?
I prefer, out of all three, theEndless.
It's just such my fucking bagdude.

(01:08:55):
The Endless yeah, it's, thesepeople were in a UFO cult and
like a videotape gets sent tothem and they see it and they're
like we want to go back to thiscult and get answers and
fucking things happen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah, I love cult shit yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
All three of these are available to watch, so just
look it up and see what it's onthat's fucking coherence, baby,
that was true, we're all gonnacollapse on each other.
It's like what if we were ableto listen to this podcast while
we're recording the podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
because of a comet.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Well, anyways, let's cut off our balls, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
That'll stop our reality, friends.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
My dog's.
Like you already did Too late,Give them back.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
You were off this morning.
That was weird.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
All right.
So that's our episode oncoherence.
Join us next week because wecan't get enough of God dang the
Coen brothers baby.
We're doing Burn After Reading.
It's so fun and wacky.
It's great.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
I love it, they don't make bad movies.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
So it's not really one that people like oh yeah, I
love Burn After Reading, butit's one of those.
It's kind of my it's not reallyguilty pleasure Coen brother
movie.
But like you know, when youthink of the Coens you think no
Country, fargo, big Lebowski.
You know those bangers.
I really like the ones thataren't very well known, like A
Serious man and stuff like that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Yeah, I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
I've never seen it but I've heard good things about
it.
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
It's a wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
So join us next week for Burn After Reading.
We're just not big movies rightnow, we're just doing these
like little small ones, andthat's what I love and it's OK.
Anyways so join us next weekfor that, hey, won't you leave
us some, you know, fan mail?
Send us an email.
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If you could get them all tocome into our reality and leave
us a thousand reviews, that'd begreat.
I really appreciate that.
We'd pop up all over the placeand we'd have a bigger audience
there's a reality out therewhere we're on the, we're really
successful podcasters, yeah andlike, if you are somebody and
you don't know us personally andyou really like our podcast and

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you've been listening for along time, just say hi, you
don't even have to put anythingin it, just be, like hi guys,
cool, we're not going to come.
You don't have to review us tosend us an email.
I mean, do I have to get on mysoon?
As we say, and that's coherence, we're doing this movie next.
Everybody's like okay, yep, butanyways, I'd like to thank Joey

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Prosser for our intro and outromusic.
You can follow him on X at MrJoey Prosser.
And damn it, this has been thewe Recommend Podcast.
I'm Jesse and I'm Jason.
No, jason, we're splitting up.
We're not splitting up, we'rejust going in two different
groups.
Bye, fuck that up.