Collateral

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a
movie podcast, where every week,we recommend a movie for you to
watch and then come back hereand listen to us discuss.
I'm Jesse, I'm Jason.
You killed him.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I shot him.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Bullets in the fall killed him, because this week we
recommend Collateral.
Damn Jason, that was a good TomCruise.
I thought I was like where'dJason go?
It's like, why is Tom Cruisesitting in my house?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
wearing a Rick and Morty t-shirt and he's not
running what is wrong with him.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
He's not running.
It's like for a second I waslike your hair's gray, your
suit's gray.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, he does kind of look like a ghost, yeah, and
sometimes he looks like thePatrick Swayze's ghost from
Ghost.
Oh my God, the hair.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Tom Cruise, patrick Swayze Combine them, the sexiest
, best actor you've ever seen.
So Collateral Unilateral, Acouple questions.
Have you seen it before andwhat do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I had seen it before.
I didn't really remember it,yeah, and I'm not.
I didn't really like it thatmuch, I thought it was.
It was kind of fun.
But you know somethinginteresting I saw Trey Parker
and Matt Stone, you know theSouth Park Raiders.
Yeah, they were talking, theywere giving like a course on
story writing and they said ifyou can put and then between the

(01:30):
beats of a story, then it's bad.
And I feel like that's whathappens in this movie, because
there's no real progression of astory.
It's just kind of like thishappens and then this happens,
and then this happens, and thenthis happens, and then this
happens, and then this happensand then this happens.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
You know, I do understand that sentiment is
like.
I think I almost kind of had asimilar like thought when I
first watched the movie yeahRight, but I disagree.
Yeah Right, it's this, I guess,because it's a hit man movie.

(02:08):
Yeah, and that's kind of howhit man movies are.
It's like the hit man does thisand then he goes and does this
and then he doesn't go this.
But I do agree that it is thiskind of like they go to place to
place, do this, go to place, dothis go to place and do this.
And uh, during my notes, so yeah, so I guess one of the main

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reasons that Michael Mann choseto make collateral was the way
that the writer's scriptcaptures an entire story in a
very short period of time.
The whole movie is like thethird act of a traditional drama
.
He likes how it doesn't gobackwards to offer more details
into these characters lives andinstead we're just catching them
at this moment and that, and Ifeel like some other movies have

(02:52):
done that yeah, successfully,but I feel like this movie
because you don't really findout why he's killing these bad
boys until the very end.
Oh, yeah, well, you kind of gotlike it is tough because you
know I've seen this movie likemaybe five or six times in my
life so I'm like I know this allmakes total sense to me.
But yeah, it is.
It's kind of like it's amystery film, which is kind of

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fun If you're watching it forthe first time.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's a mystery to me why Jimmy Fox's character wants
to be a limo driver.
We can't talk about that.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Right, wants to be a limo driver.
Okay, we can't talk about that,right?
So that is where it's a littlesilly and he's got his dumb
little picture where it's justlike this is my vacation, a
completely an island where, likeno one's nearby and it just
seems like you're just sittingout in the sun and you're going
to fry to death.
It's like all right, Jamie,come on Like maybe find a
different picture.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
we find a different picture.
Eye of the sky, I guess.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
It does seem like maybe somebody was like I need a
picture of an island, like uh,uh, uh.
No, that's an island.
That's a classic picture of anisland.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
We'll do that one Print.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Um, I don't know, I guess for me it's just I like
that.
It is kind of that like go, gogo, little conversations between
the car where it's like justessentially telling you like how
these guys are and like hisviewpoint is that he's almost

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just like a, a part of nature.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
that's just like chilling and like just coming
after you.
He's the wild dog killer.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
He's a coyote in the in the uh, you know, on the
street.
But so is max, because he'skind of the, he's like alone in
his car all the time and he'sjust trying to get through this
city.
They're both kind of coyotes,right?
Just different versions.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I guess.
So If coyotes could drive, yeah, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
So I get that like maybe you don't fully like the
story, but I mean, what is it inthe movie that you do like, if
there is anything?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I don't know.
I kind of like the idea ofalways like a hit man, yeah it's
great and Tom Cruise isfantastic.
I love his frosted tips Godhe's so good in this movie.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's wild.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
I know I was thinking the other day like, or last
night while watching the movie,that it must be very lonely to
be an action star, Becauseeveryone wants to kill you all
the time.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, in every movie you're constantly being, he's
always having to run away frompeople.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Is he so unbearable that everyone wants to just like
take stuff from him?
So he has to do action, shitRight.
But in this one you kind ofstart off liking him and
immediately don't like him, andthen you kind of like him again
later.
I was like he can't even payJamie Foxx to be his friend.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, the beauty of this movie, I think, is like you
start off, you get in and it'slike Tom Cruise, he's just
fucking acting the shit out ofthis thing.
And then you're like, oh yeah,I love him.
And then he turns out to be abad guy and it's like shit, tom
Cruise is a bad guy.
Hasn't happened yet this is thefirst movie.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
He's a bad guy ever, and he doesn't even feel like a
really good bad guy though.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, and that's the thing where he's just like he's
not, he's just doing a job, he'sdoing a turned on on his brain
where it's just like he could beprobably a great friend, but
he's a killer instead.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, you caught him during work hours.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, you caught him, you catch him after and you
tell him like this nice storyhe'll probably be like let me
buy you a drink, type of guy.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, except for if you take me, don't take me to a
jazz club.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, please.
I'm not a jazz fan, I'm not abig jazz jazz guy either.
Um, because that I mean I'dprobably enjoy it if I was there
live, though sure, I think sobut I've seen live jazz and it
wasn't good.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
So I mean but not all of it's, it's all different.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I guess that's the whole point yeah, you're not
supposed to like it, you're justsupposed to be like.
I know what jazz is.
It's about the notes they'renot playing.
I love the amount of movies.
Any, almost any time there'sjazz in a movie, there has to be
some guy that is explainingjazz to another guy.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yes, and in this one there's two guys that know a lot
about jazz, but one of themdoesn't know enough.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, he didn't know.
Three extra sentences.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I just had trouble following it.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
It is kind of just like a quiet, quaint little movie where
people get shot and it's great,well, okay, so let's.
Another question I have is whyis LA so empty in this movie?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
right, because it's nighttime.
Yeah, is he in LA though?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, I thought it was in New York.
No, it was actually filmed inLA.
Okay, originally, it wasactually filmed in LA.
Okay, originally, it's supposedto take place in New York, but
they changed it because MichaelMann loves to film in LA.
Hell yeah, michael Mann.
I thought it was just funny.
I was just like isn't the thingabout LA is that, no matter what
time of day it is, there's justjam-packed traffic, but yeah, I
guess I don't know, I don'tknow anything about LA so, and

(07:40):
about it drive like it's prettymuch empty streets the whole
time.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
So and one of the big giveaways that it is la is that
people try to give you the bestdirections.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, I feel like every person that gets in the
car is like take this, this andthis, it's like dude.
I drive every night.
This is my gerb and I lovemichael man and I know I've
talked about it before, but,like, michael man loves people
that are good at their job,right, michael Mann, always
every movie has it's people thatare really good at their jobs.

(08:10):
Usually they're robbing things,but this one one's a taxi
driver, one's a hit man, justdouble tapping the chest and
head.
It's great, that is good,awesome.
But yeah, and fun fact aboutMichael Mann is he likes to hire
cops and robbers to be to like,give him like information on
how they do their jobs and stuff.
Like, let's say, mark Ruffalo'scharacter, right, the cop looks

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pretty crazy looks like agreasy ass cop.
And that's because he showed hima cop from, like, I think,
chicago and was like and likeMark Ruffalo got to meet him.
He's like you're him.
Be him actor.
That's like you're him.
Be, him actor.
That's why he looks a littlesilly and he has a great goatee
and I don't know.
It's a fun little thing.
Mark Ruffalo hadn't really seenhim in anything until

(08:54):
Collateral when I was young.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, I think detectives because he's a
detective.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, this is supposed to be greasy and gross,
yeah that is true if you comeinto a cop interview or whatever
they do and like grease up alittle bit.
If you spend your life in theunderbelly, in the greasy
streets, you're gonna look,it'll look the part yeah, I
always like to think that it'sbecause, like, let's say, the

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movie thief, which I've broughtup before, it's like he had to
like to do the robbing and stuffin the movie.
He literally had a thief on setwith him constantly Just
stealing his shit, Just beinglike this is actually how I do
it and this is how I do this.
And then even in Thief, there'sactual cops in it, being cops

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just because it's like I don'tknow, I know these Chicagoago
cops, so this is what we'redoing.
I just like to think that everytime michael man is about to
get robbed or getting pulledover and he's like I'm actually
gonna do a movie, do you want tobe in it?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
yeah, that's a great way to get out of it show up.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's nothing but like 50 robbers and 50 cops showing
up on set every day and it'slike I had a rough week.
Yeah, they're like Michael, yougot a problem.
Another fun thing is AdamSandler was supposed to be Jamie
Foxx's character, but the movieSpanglish went over in filming,
oh wow.
So he couldn't be in it, andthis was you know around the

(10:17):
time where that wasn't a goodmovie either.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's not good, but I enjoyed it.
He's like hey, kid, go collecta bunch of glass that's on the
beach for me.
That's so wild, I need sometrash for my restaurant.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
But that was kind of around when he was doing Punch
Drunk Love and kind of maybedoing some serious stuff.
I love serious Sandler, it'sgreat.
So we'll hop into some quotes alittle bit.
So, according to Michael Mann,vincent is a man able to get in
and out of anywhere withoutanyone recognizing him or
remembering him.
To prepare for the movie role,tom Cruise had to make FedEx

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deliveries in a crowded LosAngeles market without anyone
recognizing that it was TomCruise, without anyone
recognizing that it was TomCruise.
They also had him Tell randompeople On the set Like
throughout Before filming andstuff, and they're supposed to
follow him all day and then bythe end of the day he's supposed
to put like a phone to theirhead.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
And be like gotcha.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
So that he could be a hit man that could get in and
out of anywhere, and if that'snot the coolest thing you've
ever heard Tom Cruise doing,then that's it.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I imagine him delivering packages is like Ace
Ventura in the first movie, inthe first Ace Ventura movie,
kicking that box around.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Just doing his little .
You know how Jim Carrey walkswhere he's got a stupid face and
he's moving his whole bodywhile his hands go in the
opposite direction.
So this was, you know, like Isaid a little earlier, this is a
really fun movie, especiallyfor people that are fans for tom
cruise, because, you know, likecruise never plays a bad guy

(11:58):
and he didn't really think thathe'd be a fun bad guy.
He's a a really fucking fun badguy, even though, I will say,
in an interview with a vampire Ifeel like he's kind of a bad
guy.
I mean a little, but I thinkthat's more of like vampires.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, what the fuck are they supposed to do, right?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
But I mean, and like Cruz had like a crazy run, risky
business Top Gun, color ofMoney, rain man, few, Good Men,
the Firm Interview with aVampire, mission Impossible,
jerry Maguire, eyes Wide Shut,magnolia, mission Impossible 2,
vanilla Sky, minority Report.
He's in Austin PowersGoldmember for a little bit
Collateral.

(12:36):
Then he does War of the Worlds,mission Impossible, and then,
you know, it kind of like fallsoff Because you know we talked
about during World of Worlds.
He did his whole Katie Holmesthing and it's like what are you
doing?
You've gone insane withScientology.
And then like he quit workingwith auteurs like Michael Mann,
steven Spielberg, all these likereally you know famous

(12:58):
directors that make their kindof movie.
Then he just started kind ofdoing like movies like Night and
Day Valkyrie he still was doingMission Impossible.
Then he just started kind ofdoing like movies like Night and
Day Valkyrie he still was doingMission Impossible.
And then he did Rock of Ages.
Have you seen that?
Yeah, he's the best part of themovie.
Yeah, sadly it's like it's bad,but it's just like.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I'm glad you went for it, man.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
I went to the theaters to watch it, watch it.
And then he kind of came backafter like maybe like a seven
year stint.
I was just making like mediocremovies with like Oblivion, edge
of Tomorrow.
The Mission Impossible moviesreally got back into gear and
now this is where we're at.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Did you when you were listing off those movies?
Was that in chronological order?
Like this came out beforeMission Impossible.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, it came out before Mission Impossible 3.
Oh, but, like MissionImpossible 2, sucked Vanilla Sky
he also did wasn't that great.
But then you know MinorityReport and he did a couple
movies with Spielberg, which wasgreat.
Then you had Jamie Foxx, right,Hell yeah, he's kind of his
career is kind of weird becausehe didn't really do much.

(14:00):
Like you know, he had his.
What was it In Living Color?
Yes, much like you know he hadhis.
Uh, what was in living color?
Yes, which?
uh, I haven't really seen any,but my wife loves, like grew up
watching it and she I wish shewas here so she could tell me,
uh, his character, where it'slike I'm ret to go or whatever,
I don't know, I haven't seen itso I feel weird saying that, um,

(14:21):
but you know, he's thiscomedian, and then all of a
sudden it's like hey, I'm gonnaact.
And then he just kind of comesout swinging pretty strong, he
you know, uh, uh, uh, let mefind it because he did ollie
with.
It's a michael man movie andhe's the best part of that movie
.
He's so good in that movie likeit starts with him.

(14:42):
You're just like Jamie Foxx cando this, ok.
And then he does Collateral,which is the same year as he
wins his Oscar for Ray.
He was literally nominated foran Oscar for Best Actor, which
he won for Ray, and BestSupporting Actor for Max in
Collateral.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Oh nice, it's like fuck you.
Yeah, he is probably the bestpart of the movie.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
yeah, but then he doesn't really do that much.
I mean he did Stealth thenJarhead love Jarhead maybe
stressed me out as a kid.
I remember watching Jarhead andnot really getting it that
makes sense, that's how I've,that's how I felt, like how I
felt the first time I watched itand then kind of grew up a
little bit and I was like I,almost I watched a different
movie than what everybody elsewas talking about, you know.

(15:24):
Yeah, oh, where it's like JakeGyllenhaal he wants to take the
shot but he doesn't take theshot.
I guess I don't know Spoilersfor Starhead.
It's just kind of a movie aboutlike how they build you up to
be this killer and then likeit's like stresses you out and
then you finally have the chancethat you wanted to do why?
Why you got in the military isbecause you wanted to kill bad

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guys.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
And then it gets to this point where you're like,
you spend most of your timemopping.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, and it's just like he wants to do it, but then
it's like shit he doesn't getto.
It's like why did that hurt?
Get it, man.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Because they don't.
They don't really test yourfight or flight response before
you get into it.
Yeah, that's what they trainyou to do, like here, kid kill.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's like, oh great.
But then Jamie Foxx, reallylike after winning an Oscar, you
know, other than like DjangoUnchained and Baby Driver.
Yeah, django, there's not a lotwhere you're just like hell
yeah, Jamie Foxx.
Which kind of is a bummer,because he had a huge thing and
Jada Pinkett who fucking crushesthe beginning of this movie.
You know, after this movie shedidn't really do too much either

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, Except for making a lot ofweird like news articles and
stuff about her and Will Smithand their sex life, which is
like all you hear about WillSmith and Jada Pinkett now, and
it's weird.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
And what the hell?
They had Jason Statham in thismovie for five seconds.
Yeah bro, what was he justgetting off?
He's the transporter yeah thisis where he meets up with his
buddy killer.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
I'm here to drop off.
Are they on the same team?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
do they work for the same people?

Speaker 1 (16:54):
yeah, I think he's just like the man.
That's like dropping off theinformation for him.
You know his little suitcasethat has all the information
about the his hit list.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, I want to see more jason statham my double
feature will allow you.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
They should let him drive, because he is a driver, I
know oh, michael man, do youthink that I could be the taxi
driver instead?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
what if a killer gets a cab guy who's also a killer?
Yeah but he's this is he'smoonlighting as a cab driver.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Tom Cruise, I'm actually going to be in a taxi
cab behind you and I'm going todo an even better job.
I feel like I really like.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Jason Statham.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
You think that you're hitting?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
me.
Actually, he could have usedJason Statham to drive behind
him just to pick up the bodies.
No, he's just going to be likeoh.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Oh, yeah, you're going to use a taxi, I'm going
to use an Uber.
Then Batista's next to him.
It's like, well, yeah, I'm in amovie called Stuber, which is
essentially like a differentcomedy version of collateral
Nice.
So the Australian screenwriterStuart Beatty was only 17 when
he took a cab home from SydneyAirport.

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It was on that ride that he hadthe idea of a homicidal maniac
sitting in the back of a cab,with the driver nonchalantly
entering into the conversationwith him, trusting him, his
passenger implicitly.
Beatty drafted his idea into atwo page treatment.
Later, when he was enrolled atOregon State University, fleshed
it out into his screenplaytitled the Last Domino.
He put the script away, takenout occasionally for revisions

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and rewrites over the followingyear, and then Michael Mann got
it.
So, yeah, isn't it fun when youjust hear how people come up
with ideas in the movie, likethe guy literally got in a taxi
cab and was like it was that, itwas like the hangover scene
where Zach Gilifanakis is at thepoker table and like all the

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numbers.
I feel like that's what it isfor screenwriters, when they
just like do a mundane task andthen all of a sudden they're
like oh, and then they're justlike, they like start
daydreaming or whatever, andeverybody's like man, he must
have came out with the scriptidea.
That's what I love, I love, Ilove.
That's why I really like doinglike the facts on movies is when
you can find something like fun, like that, where it's like

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this guy just got in a cab andhe had a whole movie in his head
.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I'm sure no one's ever gotten to a cab and thought
about serial killers.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
No except for every cab driver, when someone gets in
the car, it's like God damn.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I hope this is an exterior killer.
Yeah, that's why they have thatreally nice glass separating
them.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, so Tom Cruise's tactical draw, the way he uses
his gun, is so good in the scenefrom Collateral that is used by
experts and lessons for handguntraining and that like multiple
cops have come out and saidlike while watching this they're
like it's not perfect, but it'spretty close, it's better than
some cops Nice.

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So like they're saying like,yeah, you know, tom Cruise, he's
just, if he does something, 100fucking percent he needs a gun
all the time.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
That's probably why he's so good at it.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
He's always good.
I mean I acting he's probablytaken a million gun classes.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
It's 40 years of him knowing how to use a gun.
At this point, right, it's likethe guy just knows how to use a
weapon.
I wonder if he'd be any good inactual combat.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I mean, I feel like right at this point.
Until he fired a bullet, he'slike oh shit, it works Like if.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Tom Cruise and Keanu Reeves were just hanging out and
someone broke into a house.
They'd be like well, thank God,tom Cruise and Keanu Reeves are
here.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
They have a gun.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
They fist bump with their guns in their hands.
Let's do this.
We both have movies where weshoot twice in the chest and one
in the head.
Let's go so to help Tom Cruiseand Jamie Foxx best capture the
spirit of their characters,michael Mann wrote documents on
their background of Vincent, andMax Cruise said that his
document of Vincent hadinformation of how he began to

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like jazz.
Mann and Tom Cruise worked outexactly where Vincent came from,
while nearly none of itmentioned in the film.
Their collaborative backstoryis pretty detailed.
So here it is.
If he was in a foster home forpart of his childhood and he was
back in public school at age 11, that would have sometime in

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the 70s he would have beendressed very awkwardly, would
have probably been ostracizedbecause he'd uh, because he, how
he looked, um, they postulate,postulated an alcoholic, abusive
foster father who, culturallyvery progressive he was probably
part of ed saddle, was stillworks local.
He was a vietnam veteran.
He had friends who wereafrican-american on the south
side of chicago, of EdSaddlewisk Steelworks local.
He was a Vietnam veteran.
He had friends who wereAfrican-American on the south
side of Chicago.
The checkerboard lounge is 30minutes away from some sort of

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skyway.
The father was probably anaficionado of jazz.
There was great jazz scene onthe south side of Chicago, but
it was almost as if his fatherblamed the son for what happened
to his mother.
The father never tutored theboy in jazz.
And then just like so on, so onso essentially just had this
whole backstory.
Jazz, yeah, it's all jazz no, Iguess that's something michael

(21:54):
man does, he like, he likes tolike really work on the
backstories of the characterswith the actors, and it's all
about the people.
You don't shoot yeah, it's allabout the people you don't shoot
, but I just think it's cool.
It's like, oh wow, they hadthis whole fun little backstory
that could have been like adecent little movie, movie about
jazz and alcoholic father goingthrough.
Yeah, yeah, um, and we'll diveinto this last couple of facts

(22:18):
um, what do you think of thelook of the film?
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Right, it wasn't, I did like it's like super grainy,
super grainy color but itworked out for Vincent.
Uh, when they they show himlike with lights behind him, he
looks ghosty.
Yeah, he looks like he's gonnajust fade away.
Yeah, so that was kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
so, um, the way they got the look of this film is
Michael Mann wanted to be ableto see everything in frame.
Like you know, it's super dark.
Film cameras struggle gettingwith light because you know it's
film Isn't that what they'remade to do.
Well, you know, lights are madeto light everything.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I don't know what cameras are supposed to get the
light.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, that's what their whole job is, film has a
harder time to do it.
You just don't have as muchcontrol how it takes in light,
except with just the lens, buton video cameras you can.
So that's why there's like thisreal grainy look and there's
like the shutter speed is kindof different on video cameras
and because it's got to be sobright, that's why there's kind
of like almost this like lack ofmotion blur sometimes and how

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you're able to get a shot of TomCruise and Jamie Foxx in a car
but everything outside isbrightly lit.
If you're using film youwouldn't be able to see
Interesting and that's why it'sgot this grainy kind of like.
The colors are kind of weird.
Yeah, like those overhead shotsare amazing.
They were pretty cool and soonly like 20% of the movie was
filmed on film, and that wasmainly the scene where they go

(23:44):
to javier bardem.
Just because that was, uh, sucha well lit it.
Pretty much if they went insideand had enough lights, they're
able to use film, but otherwiseyou mean like in the parking
garage and the train station andshit uh, yeah, like, probably
those were using film.
So man wanted to capture adistinctive look of la at night,
emphasizing the way the citylights reflected off the streets
, buildings and even low clouds.

(24:05):
He aimed to create a sense ofglowing urban environment, like
you said, like that's why I lookghostly, where the city itself
felt like a character in thestory just as much as Vincent
did.
Hd video at the time wassuperior to 35 millimeter film
and its ability to capturedetail and color nuances in low
light situations.
This allowed man to film manyof the night exteriors with less

(24:25):
need for extensive artificiallighting.
Creative, a more natural andrealistic look.
Man was interested in using hdvideo to mimic the look of film
and said he wanted to embracethe unique aesthetics that
digital video could offer.
Um, but yeah, so it justcreated more digital grain and
lower shutter speed.
I remember the first time Iwatched it with my buddy growing
up and he's like I don't reallylike the way it looked, and I

(24:48):
was like this is a fucking style, baby, that I'm into.
But yeah, I just think I don'tknow.
It just goes into the part oflike, kind of why I like the
movie so much.
There's just such a distinctivestyle and you know you don't
see too many movies like thiswhere it's just like, hey, hop
in a cab, I'm going to go killpeople, it's fun.
You got two, well, three greator great actors uh, ruffalo

(25:11):
Pinkett and, uh, yeah, jamieFoxx and Tom Cruise.
Uh, so, yeah, we're going to hopinto the pot, but Maybe it's
called what's the Point.
It's where we're going to like,as we go through the plot, we
want you to think about what'sthe point of this movie.
What's it trying to say?
Is it a strictly entertainment?
Is it just does it?

(25:32):
Is there a message behind whatthey're doing?
And we just want you to thinkof that as we go through the
plot.
And the reason I came up withthis is, like a lot of times
after I watch a movie and it'sme and my wife, or even a TV
show, and we finish it like alot of times, once the credits
roll in, I'm like all I think islike, and maybe it's just
because I'm at this point in mylife like what's the point?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
As you slam your fist down on the coffee table.
What's the point?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
No, it's just always an interesting question.
It's usually what I'm likeafter I watch movies.
I just kind of like I usuallydon't have a lot to say about it
.
I just kind of like think, man,what's the point of that movie,
what's the point and that'skind of well realistically why I
have this entire podcast?
I just want to know the pointof everything.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I watch.
What's the point so?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
go through the plot, you can ask, maybe you'll hear
it, and then you can just screamout in your car or wherever
you're at, like I know the point, and then at the end of the
movie I'm going to tell you thepoint, or what I think the point
of the movie is Not what itprobably actually is.
Decisive.
Yeah, all right, you ready man,let's do it.
Hell yeah, I didn't expect totalk so much about Collateral.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Turns out.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I fucking love this movie jason, and what I love
about it.
The more I love a movie, themore you come back with me.
It's like actually I didn'treally care for it it's our
point break.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
We're back to point break.
Baby, that was just silly wait,point break or collateral.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
You gotta know uh honestly I had.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
I would rather watch point break again, just so I
could laugh at how bad of an FBIagent he is.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
That was the best part, utah is the best FBI agent
you've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
There's no dogs being thrown around willy-nilly.
That is true.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
There is a coyote, though.
Too bad the coyote didn't jumpon Tom Cruise and he threw him
at Jamie.
Foxx.
All right, so we're going tohop into the plot.
So we see Vincent.
He's arriving in LA.
He's handed a package at anairport by Jason Statham Love.
A good handoff, though, right?
It's like I said, bump intoeach other.

(27:33):
Hi bruv, I think you bumpedinto me, didn't you?
It was kind of like wasn't evenvery sneaky.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, no, it's like why couldn't y'all just like
hand each other?
Yeah, why you have to bump intoeach other.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, well, I guess it is post 9-11.
I'm sure there's a lot of it'slike not too long after 9-11.
So I'm sure security is extraamped up.
And yeah, especially in LAairport, I feel like that'd be a
pretty targeted place.
All right, that makes sense.
Then we have we meet Max.
He's a Los Angeles cab drivertrying to earn enough money to
start his own limousine business, island Limousines.

(28:05):
I love the idea, though.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I love this idea.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah.
So one night Max drives USJustice Department Prosecutor
Annie to her office where sheprepares for a drug indictment
case.
Annie is taking on the phone toher college colleague talking
on the phone to her collegecolleague and Max understands
she is working on a big case andis going to work all night to
prepare the paperwork to filethe court the next day.
Annie wanted Max to take aspecific route but Max suggested

(28:32):
different ones, suggesting itwould be faster.
They make a bet and it turnsout Max was right.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Who would have thought, yeah, a professional.
I guess a lot of cab driverswant to take the longer way, so
you pay more money.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, and that's like something she kind of brings up
.
It's like you could have madefive extra dollars.
He's like it's not about themoney lady, it's about the job.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I love driving so much yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
He tells her about his island on wheels idea and
shows off by guessing what shedoes.
I love that.
As they're driving, you got thegreat shots of overhead LA and
it looks glowy and amazing andyou can see everything with the
camera they use.
And I just want to scream aboutcameras and yeah, I just love
the weird camera effects thatthe digital camera has.

(29:17):
At night.
Mask Max ask if she likes herjob and she says she does, but
she looks concerned because sheis scared she could lose her
case.
I cannot express this enough.
Like Jada crushes this scene, Imean, and so does Jamie.
Of course he's great in thewhole thing, but this whole time
I was like I want them to kiss.

(29:37):
By the end of it I was like sheneeds to come back and kiss,
but she just gives a businesscard.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
This isn't speed okay .
Everyone should kiss Jason.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
If they make eyes at each other in a movie kiss.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
If you save a woman, she has to kiss you.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Hey, or hey, if a woman saves a man, he has to
kiss her with her permission.
But yeah, I don't know.
It's just like a little cute,meet, cute, right?
Yeah, it's fun.
He tells her to take a vacation.
He shows her his little islandpictures, saying he takes a
vacation a dozen times a day.

(30:11):
Then he gives her a picture andshe's like you're not a
psychopath, that's cool, yeah.
And he takes a liking to Max,leaving him her business card,
and it's cute.
So what I like about it is likeyou know, jamie Foxx,
attractive man, but like I feellike you put them in like some
sweatpants and big old glassesand it's like Jamie Foxx looks
like a regular guy, you know,yeah, but like he still has that

(30:33):
like charisma and I don't knowhe's just got a nice voice where
he could like charm the pantsoff anyone.
It's like I get it.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, I do like that.
He seems like a really genuineperson and not just you know, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, he's not like a salesman, it's like for
whatever issues people may havewith, like the story and how
it's done.
It's like man.
They got good actors and theyfucking act the shit out of this
movie, and not in a big way,it's a very like, low, small,
subtle movie, which is myfavorite type of movies.
So Vincent, played by TomCruise, enters the cab next Ah,

(31:09):
you should have drove off.
He almost did.
Yeah, he almost walked away.
I could have avoided all of us.
So Vincent talks about how hehates LA and that one time a
dead man's corpse rode thesubway for six hours before
anyone noticed it.
And he says like L, like LA has17 million people in the in the
and it is the fifth largesteconomy in the world all by
itself.
Yeah, the city is too spreadout and too disconnected and

(31:31):
nobody knows each other.
Vincent tells Max that he is inLos Angeles for one night to
complete a real estate deal andhas 6am flight out of LAX and
Max agrees to take them becauseVincent wants them to drive all
night and Max was going to givehim $600 and he only makes like
$355 in a night and he's goingto add another $100 if he gets

(31:52):
them to LAX on time, so he'sjust going to chauffeur them to
five different appointments.
Get more top-down shots of thecity.
It's great.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I love how he flashed the cash.
He's like, hey, you seen moneybefore?
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I loved how he flashed the cash.
He's like hey, you seen moneybefore?
Yeah, yeah and um, you know,like Vincent kind of comes off a
little rude at the beginning ofthis and I think the whole
point is that he's kind oftrying to be rude to Max, to be
like, see how much he will take.
Like is he going to be a typeof guy that turns around and
says get out of my fucking cab,or is he going to be someone
that's just like, yes, I'll doit a pushover, yeah a pushover

(32:24):
which is what he gets what heneeds.
Yeah, so as Matt.
So then they make it to hisfirst drop off, I guess.
And as Max waits at the firststop, vincent enters an
apartment complex and shoots adrug dealer, and Ramona
unexpectedly falls out of thewindow directly onto the cab,
forcing Vincent to revealhimself as a hitman.
Don't you hate when you're justeating a sandwich in your cab

(32:48):
looking at a bunch of tiny cars,Mercedes Benz cars I love a
good sandwich and the next thingyou know some guy's falling out
a building on your cab.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
It happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, I love that Cruz comes out.
It's like, well, jigsaw is what?
Well?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
that's also kind of what made me think he's not very
good at his job.
It's like he's like wait for mein the alley, I'm gonna shoot a
guy out the window, just don'tpark under it yeah, you parked
at the wrong spot.
Maybe don't shoot a guy out thewindow.
Yeah, I guess, if you don't, heprobably didn't mean for him to
fall.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I'm sure the guy was like running and then he'd like
shot him.
The guy just falls out.
And you know, I feel like theyobviously didn't show him
shooting the guy and him fallingout, because it's like I don't
know how we'll make this lookrealistic.
But this is where we get theline that we said earlier.
It's like did you kill him?
No, I shot him.

(33:52):
Bullets in the fall killed himjust a great hilarious line, tom
cruise like kind of likesecretly, a very funny actor.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Um, so yeah, and then max is like I'm out of here,
dude, but at this point, okay,so they go, and then, right
after this, they get pulled overby the police and they're like
your window's smashed.
Uh, I feel like if tom, ifvincent is such a great killer,
he would know that you can'tdrive around in a beater.
Yeah, he's trying to kill shit,yeah, but I think it's.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's kind of the point of just like shit already
got this guy on the line like Igot a gun pointed at him.
He's, he's so much of apushover.
He's just gonna do whatever Itell him but it's like what do
you do?
No, he's like.
No, jamie fox, they're in amovie, baby he just could just
call another cab.
Yeah, that's what max is sayingit's like just get another cab

(34:35):
you'll never hear from me, but Ithink the whole point is he's
gonna make this guy drive himaround.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I think he's gonna kill him at the end sure so I
think it's just like we kind ofhit it the other cab driver and
he's just like look, this guy'sgood at his job and I need him
to get me to place the place.
And it's a clean cab, probablylike the only clean cab in LA,
exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I think he found the perfect person to drive him
around and he knew it.
He's just like shit, I can't doanything else.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
He's got like mints in the back.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, Mints, mints and water.
That's why he had the water topour on the thing.
But yeah, so he coerces Max atgunpoint to hide the body in the
trunk, clean up the car andcontinue with their arrangement.
It's fun, I love it.
Why couldn't he have just leftthe body there?
I guess they just didn't.
I guess they were hoping likenobody would have heard or
noticed and was just like theydidn't want to put things

(35:22):
together quite yet.
It's like it took, cause ittook them a little while to find
out like, oh, what's theimportance of this guy?
And it wasn't until they sawthe FBI guys later that it's
like oh shit, this is a veryspecific thing.
Yeah, Um.
So then we see Ray Fanning,Mark Ruffalo, baby Hulk himself.
He arrives where Vincent madethe kill and reveals the victim

(35:44):
was a police informant.
Then we cut back to Vincent.
He tries to keep Max calm.
He's freaking out.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
I thought it was kind of funny too, when they're all
at the crime scene with all theshattered glass everywhere, yeah
, and they're just standing in acar shaped circle of glass.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, it's great.
Where did this come from?
It's like how could this beDamn?
Could there have been a carhere?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Somebody spilled a bunch of glass over here.
It's making my job really tough.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I love when Max is kind of freaking out.
You have Vincent.
He's like Max.
Six billion people on theplanet.
You're getting bent out ofshape because one fat guy.
Here's the thing.
He calls the guy fat when hefalls out, calls him fat here,
and then later on he calls acouple other people fat.
Vincent hates fat people.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
He's constantly dissing people for their weight.
He's always fat shaving.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
It's like damn, um, yeah, okay, that was it.
I had more quotes, but I wasjust like we can just get away
from this.
So Max is pulled.
This is where Max gets pulledover to the police.
They're about to be likethey're asking him to get out.

(36:51):
Vincent's like.
When they get pulled over,vincent's like alright, get us
out of this, otherwise I'm gonnahave to shoot him.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
He's like man, don't kill him and he's like as the
cops are walking away.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
looks like a nice guy .
Looks like he might have out ofthis, Otherwise I'm going to
have to shoot him.
It's like man, don't kill him,it's like as the cops are
walking away.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Looks like a nice guy .
Looks like he might have afamily.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Very manipulative.
Yeah, it's pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
I just love like the way Tom Cruise is he just like
he does really well like exudingconfidence?
Unearned confidence andofficers are like you can't dude
, you can't drive around in acab like this.
This thing is beat to crap now.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
And there's a body in the trunk.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, and they're like going to investigate the
car, but then luckily there'ssome fire like some gunshots,
and they have to go.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
And I guess if you just wait long enough, someone
will get murdered.
Yeah, in LA.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
It's like officer, do you mind if we take five
minutes to see if you getanother call, please?
So they end up making it totheir next stop slash victim.
Vincent then leaves Max tied tohis steering wheel in an alley
and then dispatch calls andVincent helps him out.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
He gets to.
Yeah, I love how Vincent's likehe doesn't know that cab
drivers have to talk on theradio sometimes.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
He's like what?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
is it with these people trying to check in on you
?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I know, Well, truthfully, until I saw this
movie, I was like oh yeah, thatmakes sense.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
It would be somebody.
Yeah, they'd have a dispatch,cause I a dispatch shot Because
I was like, yeah, that makessense.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
You know, when you get like a, when you call the
taxi number, they probably havesomeone that has to tell you hey
, this location, go pick them up, they're going here.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
And I was like never thought of that, and then they
sing the.
We got a great big convoy.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, now I want that movie.
So, and like the Essentially,dispatch gets a call that the
car has been wrecked and he'sshooting him out saying you're
going to have to pay for the carnow.
And then Vincent which is kindof funny that he's like Standing
up for him.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
He's trying to teach Max how to stand up for himself
and be a go-getter, and that'swhat made me like him.
And it's like damn it, vincent,I know you're going, but yeah,
he's like gets Max to call hisboss an asshole and that he will
stick the yellow cab up his fatass, fat ass.
He did it again.
He didn't even meet this guy,but he knew that he was a bigger
guy.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I think everyone in LA is like that right.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I don't know, aren't they all like?

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Every single person fat shames in LA.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
I guess if you're born there, you're all just like
the most beautiful person youcould be, cause you want to go
to LA to get a career.
I don't know, um, but yeah,this is so good.
Whenever you like, you're likehell.
Yeah, max and Vincent.
Yeah, they can do it together,and it's just like Vince is
confident, max is not.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I thought it would have been a great time to pivot
Jamie Amy Fox's career to acontract killer.
And then they work together.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, while watching this the whole time, I'd be like
, look Max, now that you knowhe's a contract killer, ask some
fucking questions about hislife.
Dude, if I was in this scenariowhere I'm like, well, if I'm
going to die, I'm at least goingto figure out about this guy's
life and, like how he got intothe business, why he does what
he does, I'd ask a billionquestions.
He'd be so you know what I'mgetting?
Another cat He'd be like canyou show me how to do this?

(40:01):
Yeah, this is awesome.
I noticed you like to shoottwice in the chest and then once
in the head.
Have you ever thought aboutshooting the head first?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
No, you got to stop the heart because you can
survive a head wound, a headshot.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Well shoot him twice All right, so as Vincent goes to
murders in eternity.
Sylvester Clark.
Max calls for help from a groupof passerbys who proceed to rob
him in Vincent's briefcase.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's like out of all people who had to walk up.
You got the criminals, but hey,like if I was walking in LA I'd
be like I'm not going down thisstreet where there's a car like
honking.
At least you had a buddy withhim.
Yeah, always have a buddy.
Always have a buddy with you.
Especially when you're robbingpeople.
It's just like I don't know I'dbe like.
Nah, this seems like a trap.
I'm not going in here, Unlessyou're the type of person that's

(40:52):
going to rob that car, theywould go in there.
But I love it.
They like steal his briefcase,like give me your wallet.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
it's like I'm tied to the shore.
What are?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
you talking about.
It's great yeah they like makehim get up, take his wallet and
then take the briefcase in theback.
Tom cruise comes out.
He's like yo, homie, mybriefcase, I love.
I love hearing tom cruise sayhomie, talk young and hip you
know, it's so great, yo homie um.
And then, yeah, he just shootshim dead.
Pretty quick and easy that wasawesome.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Thanks everything.
That other guy was just likebad, bad timing for him.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
He didn't do anything .
Dang, I should've.
They had like a total of fourpeople.
Luckily, two of them were like.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I just feel like a Tom Cruise is nearby.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I'm out of here so they stop to get gas.
Vincent tells Max he's going tobuy him a drink at a jazz club.
And you're like man, this isreally becoming a buddy movie.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
I was really hoping it would have been Absolutely To
Max.
It's like a chagrin.
He's like.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I don't want this to be a buddy movie, You're going
to be my buddy.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, because I got the gun.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah, so we cut to Fanning at the first crime scene
investigation as an adult, it'sreally hard to make friends it
really is it really is?
You just got to make thefriends you see at work.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
You got to point a gun at them until they, you know
, figure it out.
That's how I got all my friendsand my wife.
She keeps coming back yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
That's the work.
So we cut to Fanning.
He's at the first crime scene.
They learn that a cab and twoguys were around.
Fanning has a sense thatsomeone is making the cab driver
drive around so someone canshoot people.
Also, you know, like Fanning'slittle like partner I guess
that's kind of around that he'stalking to at all the crime
scenes.
Yeah, that's Peter Berg.
Oh nice, he did the RundownLone Survivor.

(42:35):
That's the director of thosemovies.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
This is funny.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
We did one of his movies.
This is funny.
We did one of his movies, isn'tthat fun?
And I didn't realize that wasPeter Berg.
I was like shit.
I've seen him in a lot ofmovies.
He's kind of one of those guyswhere you're just like I know
that guy from something Cameo,yeah.
So Vincent then brings Max to ajazz club to drink with the
club owner, daniel Baker.
I know we talked about notreally two people that don't
really care about jazz, right,but I love this whole story and

(43:05):
like the way that Max andVincent are like kind of getting
wrapped up in it.
They're very impressed andyou're like damn it.
I know Vince is going to killthis guy, but it really makes it
feel like you don't.
He doesn't really want to killhim, he's just hired to do it
and he's got a job to do.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, because he he's just hired to do it, and he's
got a job to do, yeah, cause hefinally found like another jazz
buddy, yeah, and then do youthink he would've let him live
if he would've gotten the rightanswer?
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
No, he just did.
He's getting paid to do it yeah, he's gotta kill him but I
think out of everybody he killsin this, he's the one that he's
like shit this guy played with.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Miles Davis.
I don't want to kill himBecause it was kind of sweet he
killed him and then kind oflowered his head to the table.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, and like after the whole story.
Then suddenly Tom Cruise islike yeah, yeah, I've been to
this place and this place.
And Daniel's like fuck, I'mdead.
Immediately he says I'm dead,but it's so cool.
I love that, Just like theimmediate turn of the dead.
But it's so cool.
I love that, Just like theimmediate turn of the

(44:03):
conversation.
Michael Mann's so good at thatin his movies.
Hell yeah, he's just like oh,we're all having a good time,
and then the one guy having agreat time is no longer having a
great time.
Yeah, so his whole story waslike how he got to play with
Miles Davis and Miles Davis wasreally hard on people that

(44:24):
wanted to talk to him.
He like wouldn't let even a kid.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
talk to him yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
And then he said he actually got to play with Miles
Davis one time.
And Miles Davis, all he saidwas cool, which to him meant
it's like you're good, butyou're not great.
And once you get great you cancome play with me.
And Vince is like well, butyou're not great.
And once you get great you cancome play with me.
And Vincent's like well, didyou ever get to?
He's like no, I got draftedthis and that and then just life
happened and he never got to dowhat he wanted to do, just to

(44:52):
shoot jazz people.
Spoilers for later.
It's the point of the movie.
So Daniel is set to testifyagainst Vincent's client.
Vincent drops that he is thereto kill him.
Max pleads with Vincent to letDaniel go and Vincent bets that
Daniel cannot answer a questionabout Miles Davis.
And it's all about like wherehe learned to play.

(45:14):
And he tells him this Juilliard.
He went to Juilliard and stuff.
And then unexpectedly, vincentshoots Daniel on the head,
dissatisfied with his answer,because like went to Juilliard
and stuff.
And then unexpectedly Vincentshoots Daniel on the head,
dissatisfied with his answer,because like, as after he like
lays him down, he says likethree other little facts about
how he, like he, dropped out ofJuilliard and went to go play
with someone else.
Yeah, and he's just like, Ifucking know more than you.

(45:37):
You had to die.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
This is what they should do when people get bad
answers on a game show.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, it's like Alex Trebek, it's like he's killed so
many people in his life.
But then Max pretty much justpanics like just find someone
else who cares and Vincentpunches him or kind of punches
him a little bit, chokes himsexually a little bit.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, this is great.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I had an erection and then Dispatch is calling again.
It turns out Max's mom isconstantly calling Dispatch,
Learning of Max's nightly visitsto the hospital to see his
mother.
Vincent insists Max visit hismother, Ida, in the hospital to
avoid breaking routine.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I think he'd break your routine.
You've already broken a routine.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
This was a very fun scene.
It's great His mom sucks.
Yeah they go to the hospital.
Max buys his mom flowers.
Well, vincent, does he's likeyou have to buy your mom flowers
and he's like she won't likethem.
She doesn't care about flowers.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
She said it's a waste of money.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah, and so they go into the elevator and then
Fanning gets in with them andit's like I'll walk in love when
this happens.
Like why is he in the?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
hospital though.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Well, because he's going to visit the second guy
that got killed.
Yeah, so, and then?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Look at those sweet, sweet bodies.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Vincent and Max.
They get out, they go to visithis mom and she immediately
doesn't like the flowers.
He's like, told you, yeah.
And then she's just kind oftalking about how, like, oh, max
is so quiet and he's a piece ofshit, yeah yeah, yeah.
You know, just classic, classicparent putting down their kid

(47:17):
in front of a company, which isthe worst?
Yes, Vincent pretends to beMax's colleague and develops a
rapport with Ida.
It's great because Tomimmediately brings the charm.
It's like that weird charm thatTom Cruise has, even though
he's like a weird guy, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, I mean, I've got that charm that only kicks
in when elderly people arearound.
Yeah, they love me, it's true.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Like I can usually get like a mom or dad to like me
.
It's true, like I can usuallyget like a mom or dad to like me
.
It's like it's some sort ofability.
I think they know that I won'tcause problems, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Safe boy.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah.
So at the hospital, ida proudlytells Vincent that Max has his
own limousine company, revealingMax has been lying to her for
her approval.
That's probably good, becauseyou're just constantly putting
them down and I'm sure he's justlike oh yeah, well, I have a
limousine company and you can'tsee it because you're in the
hospital I ain't driving younowhere, mom yeah and then uh,

(48:10):
as the mom keeps just talking,just kind of being kind of
shitty about max uh max getsupset, who then runs out with a
briefcase and tosses it off abridge onto the freeway.
Great cinematography the wholeway through that, uh, yeah I was
.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
That was so weird, I, that he threw out his bag.
Do you not lick in the bagfirst?
Yeah, what if there was justlike something cool?

Speaker 1 (48:32):
yeah, what if this is like a million dollars?
Like shit?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
yeah, maybe I should have just bought a gun and
killed him, killing him onwheels is ready, but I love it.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
He's just like that's what changes, max.
A mom talking about him.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
She pushed him over the edge.
Every mama's boy's like Everynight he goes to see his mom.
She pushes him to the brink ofsuicide.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
It's like, oh yeah, you need this fluid.
I'm taking it and throwing itup.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
This bridge Throws this fluid.
I'm taking it and throwing itup this bridge.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
He throws it up the bridge, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
It's just littered with IV bags and insulin.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
It's like the same semi-truck keeps having things,
hit it Every time, every night.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
It would be funny if he just reached out to grab it
as it fell, because he just knew.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah.
So then we cut to Fanny, who'sarriving at the hospital morgue
to see the bodies of criminallawyer Sylvester Clark,
Vincent's second target and thetwo dead robbers, and realizes
that this is the work of ahitman, because the two in the
chest and one in the head.
Well, the morgue person tellshim.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, I feel like he's just being the most
annoying morgue guy.
Yeah, really.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I thought he was a pretty good morgue guy.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
He's just being the most annoying morgue guy.
Yeah, really, I thought he wasa pretty good morgue guy.
When a cop shows up to do hisjob, his detective work job,
he's like here's what I think.
I feel like the cop would havebeen like I don't give a fuck
what you think.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
I know what I'm talking about.
I guess it's just like one ofthose things where it's like you
don't seem to be noticing thefact that there's two in the
chest and one in the head, bythe way.
Well, because um fanning sayslike.
He's like oh, I don't want tosee these two guys, I want to
see the next one, because I'mlooking for a specific person
he's like well, I think this oneis with your specific one,
because they have the same typeof wounds yeah yeah, smiley face
and bullet holes, so likeeverybody.

(50:18):
Everybody that like works in amorgue is just like fucking Team
Jesse now.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
And it's like so not Team Jason.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
They're so into true crime.
All the dude, yeah, and if Iworked in a morgue, I'd just be
like listening to like truecrime podcasts and be like yeah,
like making up stories for thecorpses, Like making them talk
to each other, and then the copsshow up and he's like well, I'm
actually uh professional inthis.
I know everything that happenedwith this tells this whole long
story and it's like guy justfell out of a, just actually

(50:48):
tripped do you think whilethey're doing these autopsies,
you don't have to cut theirchest open?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
do you think they ever stick their hand up their
throat?
Make your hand their face?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
talk like a puppet here's what I will say about
that.
It's definitely probablyhappened once.
There's got to be onepsychopath that works in a
morgue I'm sure there's morethan one.
It's probably something they doin like it's like they're at
like morgue school or whateverschool.
You go for this and like, allright everybody you get to do

(51:15):
this once, and only here,because we know everybody that
joins this business wants to doit once.
Everyone has a dead body nearthem.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
You have an hour to talk as a puppet.
You have to take aventriloquist course as an
elective.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Well, what people don't really know about Jeff
Dunham is that that's how he gotstarted with corpses, and it's
just like one day like it wasthe day when he's training in
college.
He's like he got to do an oldman.
Why is he so racist?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
And he, just like he just ate a jalapeno and it was
on a stick.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Is this Jeff Dunham bit going anywhere?
I feel like it's really not.
He's just digging up graves.
I feel like this is something Ido often with my wife and I
have to apologize if I startgoing on with it.
Okay, so they're back in thecab.
Vincent's like well, now youfucking had it, because you're
going to have to do stuff for menow.

(52:14):
But in the cab they kind ofstart to All my homework was in
there, yeah, but in the cab they, but then the cow.
They kind of start to bond.
We learned that Vincent had ashitty father and no mother.
He jokes that he killed hisfather.
Max is like really.
And he's like no, I'm justmessing with you.
We think I'm a cold heartedkiller.
A lot cooler if you do, yeah.
And then Max finally tellsVincent about his island island
on wheels, idea, full of sand.

(52:36):
Yeah, it's horrible, it's likeand this is where you're kind of
getting their backstory.
You know so how it's not like ausual movie.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Usual movie, they'd probably all find out about this
before the action starts thathe's trying to kill witnesses.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Well, yeah, we'd probably know what Vincent's
doing before and then all ofMax's life before this.
We'd have a monologue orsomething, but I kind of prefer
doing it like this, it's like.
It's like we're on the go, we'regetting point to point.
This is perfect time to justkind of unload some dialogue.
Plus, you just got two goodactors doing it, so it's great.

(53:11):
So, with vincent's target listdestroyed, vincent forces max to
meet drug lord felix ray astorina, I think.
Uh, threatening to murder max'smother Otherwise, if he doesn't
do it and I love it becauselike Max is like all right sits
there.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I thought you were going to come on, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
He's like all right, how long have you been doing it?
He's like six years.
Like is there insurance?
You get a pension?
It's like Vincent's like stop,stop stalling, just go.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
That was a really good idea from Max though, yeah,
trying to get, yeah, and thenit's also kind of a great joke
at the end after he visitsJavier Bardem.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
So as Max goes in to see Felix, we get a close-up of
the camera, kind of moving, andthen we see that he's being
watched by two FBI agents ashe's walking through the club.
So Ray Fanning uncovers theconnection between the victims,
so you know that they're allbeing killed by the one guy, and

(54:09):
so he goes to, uh, specialagent frank pedrosa I think is
how it says who identifies thetargets as witnesses for the
pending indictment case againstfelix and is watching the
cameras at felix's place.
Yeah, so this is like who thatthey're trying to indict and
that Jada Pinkett Smith is goingto be going to court against.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
So that's what the whole point is.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
And that Vincent is killing all the people that
would get Felix put up.
It's all about drug sales andstuff.
It's just a big drug case.
That's what's going on.
And Felix has all the money inthe world because he sells drugs
.
So he hired Vincent to do it.
And Max is going in to meetFelix.
And because Felix gave Vincentall the information because he

(54:52):
you know, felix has all thesepeople that can find out all
this information and he gave itto him in that little briefcase.
But because Max threw it off theroad and all got destroyed, max
has to come back here, get theUSB drive, listen to this whole
monologue about Santa Claus andBlack Peter.
It's great.
Bart M is great.
And then you know, as Fox goesin there, he's like all like

(55:16):
meek and like I have a contractkiller.
He's like mumbling.
He's like I'm sorry.
Uh, yeah, I have a contractkiller.
He's like mumbling.
He's like, uh, I'm sorry for it.
And he's like sorry.
But then, like, as he told thestory, all of a sudden, like you
see, everybody behind Max puttheir hand on their gun, and
it's just like tell thesemotherfuckers to get their hands

(55:37):
off their guns before I beattheir asses with it and it's
like Jamie fucking fucks baby.
He's being how he usually is inmovies.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
It's great, it was funny.
He was like you know what, foryour trouble, just knock off 25%
.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
You know what Make it 30%.
You know I'm good at it becauseI've been doing it for six
years.
It's great.
Oh, I love the scene.
Somebody hands him an oscaryeah, it's like he looks at it.
Oh for ray, I'm max.
It's like you're both and it'slike you're goddamn right, I am,

(56:12):
don't you forget.
No, but this was such a funscene because, like you know,
you go in.
You're like max is gonnafucking die, there's no way.
But he just like turns man, Iguess no one has ever seen
Vincent before, before yeah, hesays that it's like it's like
the people I work for never meetme and I'm going to keep it
that way.
It's also because he knows likepeople are probably planted
outside like waiting to seewho's all going in so they can

(56:33):
know who Vincent is.
Because it's smart.
Baby, this movie is smart andyour opinion about it is wrong.
Just kidding.
Just kidding.
Everybody's opinions are validunless they're bad opinion, yeah
, unless they disagree with me,no, but I really do.
I love this scene.
It's just I don't know.
It's great writing, greatacting.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
okay, I wish I wish that vincent would have.
He would have told vincent thathe just gave him 25 off or 35
yeah and he's like, oh well,that works, you don't?
Really find out what, becausethat could have been a funny
moment.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah, I would have been ingrained to be like as
Vincent's dying at the end.
Yeah, that would.
Yeah, it's like you know youreally weren't going to make
that much money off this anyways, I kind of lowered your price,
but yeah, so so he gets out ofVincent, plugs the flash drive
into the cabs computer.
Vincent and Max acquire thedetails to the next target,

(57:25):
korean gangster, peter Lim, whois at a nightclub Love that
they're just going nightclub tonightclub Love it, it's fun.
So the FBI agent thinks thatMax is the hitman now because
they could hear that he's sayinghis name is Vincent based on
the surveillance that they hadon him, and orders the FBI

(57:45):
agents to go and protect Lim.
Fanning thinks they got it wrong, though, and that Max is not
the hitman.
And it's like, yeah, would thehitman be wearing jogging pants
and be a registered cab driver?
Yeah, it's like no, this isjust a great ploy.
Drives cabs at night, just likethat other driver.
Yeah, it's like, nah, this isjust a great ploy, he drives
cabs at night.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Just like that other guy yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
So or no?
What'd they say?
It's like no, he probably justkilled someone that looks a lot
like him.
I'm like what?
There's like oh luckily I gotto LA and found's like saying

(58:27):
life is short and he should callif they all make it out of
alive, um, and then they stop inthe middle of the road and we
see coyote walk across the road.
They both stop and stare whileshadow on the run by audio safe
plays and I'm just like in myveins pumping in my veins.
So we did talk about a littlebit about um the coyote and, uh,

(58:50):
do you think it's silly that wejust had like stopped the movie
to play audio slave and watch acoyote?
No, I thought it was kind ofcool.
Do you feel like you feel themeaning by it?

Speaker 2 (58:58):
uh, not really.
Yeah, I mean I I never reallygot the idea that he would, that
somebody was supposed to be acoyote yeah vincent the coyote
and why is it?

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I think they're both seeing something on this coyote,
but it's completely different,like I think that, uh, I wrote
it down.
I don't really know a whole lotabout it's kind of you know
they're out at night you know,los angeles used to just be a
desert right, there was nothingthere, and then they kept
building and building.
Now you got all this wildlifejust running around in this big
city.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Because he said he hit a deer.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
And it's kind of like Vincent is this coyote who's
just going through and you know,through the shadows is going
killing people, getting his prey, yeah, and for Max, I think
it's like Because most coyotesdream about For Max, I think
it's him seeing this coyote inthe middle of somewhere where it

(59:53):
doesn't belong, yeah, and it'sjust like he's just trying to
find food and live Right andlike that's supposed to be his
catalyst, is like I got to besomething.
I can't just be wandering thesestreets at night.
Nice, look, it's like lookingfor his purpose, like that's
kind of what the coyote is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I feel like I just said nonsense.
Maybe I don't know, but I knowfor me to decide it's better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
It was better in my head while I was watching the
movie.
Sure, yeah, they're just kindof both seeing like two
different things, but it's kindof also the same thing at the
same time.
Yeah, I don't know, it's greatthat was unscripted, but the
beauty of the film camera theyhad is that all they had to do
is just stop film that coyotewalking across the road.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
This is an unscripted coyote.
Yeah, it was a random coyotethat walked in front of the road
and they're just like fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
This is good.
Luckily, we have this awesomecamera that can just see
everything at night.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
It would be funny if they just released a bunch of
coyotes into LA.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Yeah Go, coyotes, we got to get the shot.
We got one chance.
People walking on the otherside of the street oh my God,
fucking coyotes.
So anyway.
So the FBI assembles a force tosecure witness Lim and
converges on a crowded nightclubsimultaneously with Vincent,
who, in turn, is being followedby Felix's men.
Vincent manages to get into thenightclub and execute all of

(01:01:11):
Lim's guards, felix's hitmen andLim himself, before slipping
out of the club amid the chaos.
The FBI are so preoccupied withMax that they completely miss
Vincent, just kind of likecruising through the chaos, just
killing everybody, becausethey're like that one guy,
pedroza or whatever his name is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Like there's Vince and it's actually.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Max, and then the FBI is fighting with, like the
bodyguards of Lim, and then like, shoot the main FBI guy.
And it's like is this like thebest case scenario y'all could
have came up with?
But I love it because there'sso much chaos in all of it.
And one thing I had is like,through the whole fight, like
Liam's just sitting there Liam,or whatever his name, was Just

(01:01:54):
sitting in that little likerecliner or couch he had and
it's like get up and run, whatare you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Go, don't just keep sitting there just watching the
chaos this is obviously all foryou.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
This is awesome, um, but yeah, and it's a great
little fight.
I love it.
You know, like the crowdedthings tom cruise is going
through and like killing, allthese guys are like little,
that's awesome and yeah, andlike two of them get his gun and
like they beat it out of hishand, but he has a little knife
and stabs him on.
It's like metal, it's a veryit's cool, like fast paced and

(01:02:25):
like I don't know.
It's like a overload on yoursenses and it's just like this
is what I want, because it'sbeen kind of a quiet movie,
pretty much.
Sure, yeah, um, yeah, greatscene um Max and smuggles him
outside.
I fucking hate this part.
And then Fanny's running outand he just shoots him and it's
like Not Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Ruffalo.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
He's just a likable guy.
Sit on my face, Hulk.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Smash me, mommy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
But it sucks, he's dead.
Following their getaway, maxpushes him out, pushes him on
why he had to kill Fanning,because he could have had a
family.
Vincent says none of it matters.
Vincent, get with it Millionsof galaxies, of hundreds of
millions of stars and a speck onone in a blink.
That's us lost in space.

(01:03:17):
The cop you me who notices it'sjust like.
He's kind of like, seems like aguy who just fucking there's us
lost in space.
The cop you me who notices it'sjust like.
He's kind of like, seems like aguy who just there's no faith
in humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
He's a.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
What do you, what do you call people who just don't
believe in anything Nihilist?
Yeah, now it seems it's like anihilist character.
It's like none of this matters.
I can kill whoever I want,because you know what?
We're all just going to die oneday anyways.
Hell yeah, I love it, um, butyeah, that's what psychopaths
should think, yeah, so, um, thetwo get into an argument over

(01:03:47):
their lives in which Max openlyviews Vincent as a psychopath
and Vincent accuses Max of beingtoo passive in life.
Vincent, someday, someday, mydream will come.
One night you will wake upbecause, um, max says, like
someday I'm gonna do somethingor whatever, and one night
you'll wake up and discover itnever happened.
It's all turned around on you.
It will, it never will.

(01:04:07):
Suddenly, you are old, didn'thappen and it never will because
you were never going to do itanyways.
You'll push into it into memoryand then zone out in your uh,
barco lounger being hypnotizedby daytime tv for the rest of
your life.
Don't you talk to me aboutmurder.
All it ever took was a downpayment on a Lincoln town car.
That girl you can't even callthat girl what the fuck are you

(01:04:28):
still doing driving a cab?
Because, yeah, they're kind of.
He's in an argument and he'slike you won't even do what
you're trying to do, could havejust bought a car and done it.
It's like no, no, it's got tobe perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
you know, it's kind of like when we started this
podcast, we had like 10 episodesdown and you're like are you
ever gonna like release thepodcast?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
and I was like it's not perfect yet and then
eventually it's just like onefriday is like I just gotta do
it, you just gotta release it,yeah.
So if you want to do something,guys, just do it just do it.
But yeah, do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
But yeah, fucking rolls out, yeah, I do like his
pessimism of humanity and Ithink that's kind of the point
of this is like he believes thathe is above, he is outside of
humanity, yeah, and that giveshim this righteousness to kill
people with no regard.
Yeah, it's like if you were.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
If you just, it's like if you weren't raised,
right, you become Vincent, right, it's like it's okay to have
that outlook where it's likenothing really matters, I can do
whatever I want.
So I should just do the thingsthat I want to do, but, like,
hopefully you're not a personthat is fine with killing people
, right, you don't want to havethat attitude with it.
But yeah, I mean, there is likea little bit of a point to it.

(01:05:42):
Just minus the murder, it'slike, yeah, man, you're just
going to go your whole life Likenothing fucking matters.
Dude, just do what you want todo, and if it doesn't work, it
just doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
You can always kill people Like shit, hit man, man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
It kind of feels like we know what the point of the
movie is, Can't wait to get toit.
So, and Max finally snaps.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
He's like God dang it .
He just hits the gas.
Yeah, he's like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
So he speeds through empty streets and deliberately
crashes the cab.
They're all turned upside down.
Favorite part of the movieright here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
When they're fighting over the gun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Like well, so like Vince is is like he can't find
his gun.
It's on his wallet.
So he just grabs this likepiece of metal and he's like
turned upside down and startshitting Max.
And Max is like ow, ow, ow, ohgod, it's so good, dude, it's
the best, like brothers fighting.
I completely forgot thathappens.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I was like ah, it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
It's just like the little just seeing his wrist is
going.
It's like he's so mad he wantsto kill him, but he can't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
This is all I could do right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I also think that he just really didn't want to kill
Max.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I don't think I liked him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I think if Max has let him kill all these people,
you just he might've let him go.
Yeah, I don't think he likethought that Max would go to the
police about it at all.
So maybe you should, becausemaybe he should just make it a
regular thing where they go hangout.
Yeah, I'd be like Next timeyou're in LA, man, give me a

(01:07:25):
call and we'll kill some people.
Also, can you give me adifferent name and look, please,
because cops know I've beenaround.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
So Vincent takes off on foot before a police officer
arrives at the wreck and noticesthe corpse in the trunk.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
This poor guy.
I fucking hate when peoplenotice corpses in my trunk.
Max spots Annie's profile onVincent's open laptop and
realizes she is Vincent's finaltarget man fuck that sucks right
.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Hang on, kill your best friend's girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I know it sucks.
He overpowers the officers andtakes Vincent guns before
running to Anne's building andher office.
I love it.
He's like I just watched ahitman do this all night.
I think I can kind of just doit if I have a little bit of
confidence, right?
Yeah, so he calls her to warnher as Vincent is going through
the building looking for her.
She believes him because he'slike hey, annie, what up girl?

(01:08:05):
By the way it's like four inthe morning.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Do you like?

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
remember me?
I'm that guy in the cab.
So funny story.
I've been hanging out with ahit man for like five hours.
So you like get coffee later.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
This is the craziest thing.
He wants to kill you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
She's like I was like I know her.
Yeah, she's like, uh, it's alittle too call, too late for a
booty call.
Get out of here, boy.
Um.
But yeah, and he's just likethis guy's like gonna kill you
and she like leaves him prettyquickly, which is nice.
I hate when it's like moviesand it's like I don't believe
you and it takes like 30 minutesof the movie for him to finally

(01:08:42):
believe horror movies.
Love to do it and I hate it.
Yeah, it's like in a horrormovie where a kid's seeing
ghosts all the time and it'slike nobody believes them.
It's like can we just have amovie where they believe him
immediately?

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
it's the best.
I hate when we get through theboring, stressful situation of
no one believing somebody well,the problem with kids is you
believe in in once, you're goingto have to believe in forever.
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Oh, you got to.
Oh, there's a ghost in here, ohit's like oh, I guess there's a
monster under your bed everynight too.
So yeah, so yeah.
Vincent's going through thebuilding looking for her.
She believes Max and she'sgoing to leave.
Max has eyes on Vincent andthen his phone cuts off.
Bum, bum, bum.
Max manages to get into heroffice where Vincent has cut the

(01:09:23):
power, as Annie calls the cops.
We get a little cat and mousechase in the dark between Annie
and Vincent.
He like falls on a chair.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
That was funny.
Yeah, so that wasn't.
What was he trying?
To jump over it?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
So apparently it wasn't, um, it wasn't scripted,
it just happened.
And Michael Mann just likethought it was kind of funny and
left it in.
It's like well, he was just ina car accident, so his senses
are probably a little off.
He also just got shot, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Uh, yeah, that's about to happen, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Yeah.
So, um, max, like right at thelast second, as Vincent's about
to shoot Annie, and like shootshim and they're able to escape,
they get out, they board a metrorail train.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
I thought it was really cool and it happens a lot
in this movie.
Usually like when you about tokill somebody, there's some kind
of dialogue and then that giveseveryone time to shoot you.
But in this one he's likethere's no dialogue before
people get killed.
There's a little bit with thejazz guy, but as soon as he
gives the bad answer he's likepow, pow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Yeah, I think that's why the jazz guy that was the
only person he didn't want tokill, because he gave him a
chance even though he knew hewasn't.
He's just like.
I just want to know how muchthis guy actually knows about
Miles Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
You got to play with him.
That should have been me.
I hope he gets it right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I don't want to kill him.
But yeah, so they get on atrain with Vincent in pursuit.
It's great they get on and thenVincent gets on like way later
down the train.
He's like traveling through andthen the train stops and
they're about to get out, butVincent's like just immediately
gets out, but not far enoughfrom the door so they can get
back in the train.
He's sitting there waiting forhim to get out.
And Max is like fuck, ah great,love it.

(01:11:09):
But they're left with no otheroption.
They're on the last train car,so there's nowhere else they can
hide.
Max makes his last stand and hefires blindly as the train
lights dim and flicker.
Max mortally wounds Vincent ina shootout while emerging
unscathed.
Yeah, that was kind of wild.
The one thing that took out TomCruise's character, vincent, is

(01:11:29):
that he has a way of killingpeople Two in the chest, one in
the head.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Oh, he couldn't shoot through the door.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Yeah, versus Max, who's like, I'm just going to
shoot through the window,shooting blindly.
And it's like ah, beautifulbaby.
So Vincent slumps into his seatand dies as he repeats an
antidote.
Heard earlier about a man whodied on a train and went
unnoticed for six hours.
He's like, let's see how longit takes him.
Max and Annie then get off thetrain in the next station in the

(01:11:54):
dawn of the new day boom, theydon't do anything, they just
walk yeah, they just walk off.
They don't even smooch.
End of movie.
Beautiful ladies and gentlemen,it's a great movie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Jason sucks I can't, I can't help with his opinions.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Just kidding.
But yeah, that is collateraljason.
What's the point of clatter?

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I'm not really sure.
I think some of it comes fromVincent's view on humanity and
I'm not sure, maybe like chase.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Jamie Foxx's character.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Yeah, don't go chasing waterfalls, Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
I don't want no scrubs.
I thought the movie is justlike you got to take risks.
It's about taking risks, havingthat confidence, getting out of
your own way to do what youwant to do.
It's pretty much what Vincentwas telling him the whole time.
It's like dude, if you justdon't do it, you're never going
to do it.
Yeah, but did he do it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Did.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Vincent do it.
He was doing his damnedest.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
He just didn't get the last one, but that's not
what he wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Yeah, I guess that's kind of the ironic part.
He just wanted to be in thejazz business but he ended up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
oh shit, yeah, it's a movie about people who didn't
do the things they wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
One was a cab driver, one was a hit man.
He's just really good at whathe did, so he just kept doing it
, just like Jamie Foxx, who's acab driver, just kept doing what
he was doing because he's goodat it and never taking that risk
to become a limousine driver.
But luckily a hit man got inhis car right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Showed him how to have put a gun to a cop, stole a
guy's cell phone killed ahitman.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Now he's gonna have a limousine business.
So the point is everybody getout and about, follow your
dreams.
Just try not to kill anybody inthe process or do you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
know, if you have to look.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
We already heard Jason's opinion, so I don't
think you should take his adviceif there's a horse between you
and your dreams, you know whatto do.
Jeez man.
Remind me never to get youaround a horse.
Yeah, I like their podcast.
It's just like they're just soanti-horse.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
That is a line in the sand that I will never cross.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Out of everything they say on that podcast, that's
the one thing I won't stand for.
It's like yeah, theirdemographic.
It's uh, it's pretty high onpeople who don't like horses,
but horse lovers don't reallylike one of the last things my
grandmother said to me beforeshe died was that kill there was
one of her neighbors herneighbor's horse kept getting
onto her porch and it made herupset oh, that's fucking cool.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
I want a horse on a porch I stood up was like show
me where he's at Show me whereit is.
Did a horse kill my grandmother?
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Whoa did it?
Is that why you hate horses?
We figured it out, guys.
I'll never know.
Videos I love is whenever, likeon reels, is whenever there's
one where it's just like youknow bears, just in weird places
.
Bears is whenever there's onewhere it's just like you know,
bears, just in weird places, andlike bears is on people's
porches and people opening thedoor like, oh my god.
And there was one where there'sjust like a moose standing on

(01:15:05):
their porch and it's like fuckdude, there's not enough room on
a porch for a moose.
That moose could just breakinto that house easily,
destroying everything.
Yeah, so that's the point ofthe movie.
Guys, do what you want to do,otherwise a hitman will enter
your cab.
Yeah, and nobody wants that.
So what do you think of that?
Think that's a successfulcategory?
Yeah, well, if the audiencethinks so, let us know.

(01:15:29):
There's a link at the top ofthe description where you can
leave us some fan mail and theemail at the bottom of the
description.
We recommend mailbag at gmailcomsend it let us know if you
think we should keep thatcategory in.
Thanks, so I think we should goback to our usual categories.
First one the good, the bad,the ugly, the fine.
It's where we discuss the goodof the film, what we liked, the
bad, something we didn't like.

(01:15:49):
The ugly, something that didn't.
I guess the good you're goingto say nothing, just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Go ahead.
No, I thought what was good,what I really enjoyed, was Jamie
Foxx.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah, he's so likable man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
I don't know.
I kind of like I hated himsometimes, but also kind of I
don't know.
I think he just did really goodyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
I think that's a lot of the point of his character.
I think he's just a really good.
Yeah, I think that's a lot ofthe point of his character.
It's like you want him to like,make, like, be more confident,
and then it's like but you know,it's a movie, we got to have a
character here.
And then, like, when he gets itand he's like, yeah, man, I can
save the day, let's go You've,you've earned this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Yeah, and I always like a hitman.
Oh yeah, it's the best.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
That's kind of what I had, except I just said
everything.
I thought Cruz he's great, he's.
You know, there is that part ofespecially now because we know
like Cruz is kind of a weirdo.
There is that like snivelingweirdness about him that you're
like, oh.
But then there's also that likecharm that you saw in this
first 20 of his career, whereyou're like I get it, dude, show
me the money.

(01:16:56):
You know, it's like youcomplete me, I get it.
Jamie Foxx he's I don't knowman, the guy just is so likable,
he's funny, and I just want tohang out with Jamie Foxx and
Jada Pinkett Smith.
You know I didn't really see alot of movies with her.
You know Scream 2, she's one ofthose Tales from the Crypt

(01:17:17):
movies.
Those are mainly how I knew her.
But then I've over time watchedmore movies.
Girls Trip she's amazing.
That movie's hilarious.
Girls Trip yeah, she's so goodin that and honestly, she's

(01:17:39):
another actor or actress thatthis time has not been well
because of the stuff that comesout about her and it's like we
all stop talking about your.
Wasn't she gomorrah?
No, that's uh zoe saudana.
Oh, okay, yeah, she's uh shitmiss uh fish mooney or whatever
in gotham.
Okay, I actually did not.
I don't know, I didn't think Ididn't watch that show sucks and
everybody's bad in it.
Yeah, sorry, if you like thatshow, all right.
So, uh, what do you got for thebad?

(01:17:59):
We heard a little bit, a littlebit sure progression.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Yeah, I didn't feel like there was much of a story
here.
Um, I'd feel like and everyopportunity they had to to build
like a story that I could getinvested in, they just kind of
forgot about it, moved on to thenext thing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
I guess it's more of a character-driven story, not as
more of a plot-based story.
Does that make sense?
It didn't have a plot.
Yeah, that's what I thought wasbad about it.
It has a plot.
It's just like the plot isn'twhat the movie's about.
I guess it's a useless plot.
Well, I mean, I guess is amovie about You're making this

(01:18:43):
real easy for me.
Is a movie about a character,because, I mean, most movies are
just characters who arelearning it throughout their
journey and they have like acharacter arc and the story ends
.
That's most movies.
So it's like I don't know.
The story is Jamie Foxx wantsto have this limousine thing but

(01:19:03):
then shit, a hitman comes inand it teaches him a lesson that
he's just got to go for what hewants and it's like is that not
a plot or story?

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
I guess I feel like it would have been more
interesting if Jamie Foxxbecomes also a contract killer
to get his dreams like and theystart working together like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
You're right, jason, that's a bit he could have had
both.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
He could have gotten his limousine business and then
just driven the people insteadof to the airport.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Take them to instead of island on wheels, it's hitman
on wheels it's coffin on wheelsyou know?
I mean I guess, yeah, he couldhave turned it if it all went
well and smooth.
It could have been like youknow, max, I have an idea what
if you didn't do Island onWheels and you just drove around
Hitman?

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Yeah, because that would have been a twist and
there's, there's no ending toJamie's or to Max's story,
because you know he crashes cab,he probably gets fired, I don't
know Because he's.
And then Well, I think I meanBecause he did kind of put a cop
in handcuffs and steal his gun,you got to remember.

(01:20:08):
So he probably goes to jail.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Well, no.
So he saved Annie, who is likea lawyer and stuff.
He's going to be like, he'sgoing to be like no, he saved my
life.
There's this dead guy on thistrain.
This is the hit man, by the way.
Here I have this USB drive thatwas in that thing I went to like
he could easily explaineverything, because there is the
dead body that can be like thisis Vincent dude, I don't know,

(01:20:34):
I guess I just it's a differentkind of film, but I still think
it's a good story.
Sure, yeah, it just maybe it'sdifferent than what your usual
hitman cops chasing hitman andyou figure out.
You kind of first 15 minutesknow what the whole plot's about
.
This is just like it's moreabout the characters and less

(01:20:55):
about the story of the hitman.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah, it's the cab driver outside of the um plot
right, but I also didn'tunderstand a whole lot about
vincent's character.
He was so he talks about theguy that died on the train and
he's like, maybe is that is itthe reason he doesn't care about
killing people, because peoplejust don't give a fuck about

(01:21:16):
each other.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
yeah, yeah, I think it's that nihilism that he has,
where it's just like nobodycares about anybody else and I
found myself wanting to careabout Vincent, but I just
couldn't.
Yeah well, he's a killer.
You're supposed to want him todie.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Killers are kind of awesome sometimes.
And he tries to be cool.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
And that's like an element to the movie where
you're like, shit, the hitman'skind of fun to have around.
But you know, it's like it'seither Vincent's going to live
or Max is probably going to dieand it's like I got to choose
Max.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
See, they could have had them both.
They could have just beenbuddies.
That's a completely differentmovie.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
It is.
Yes, that was a fun discussion,though I do kind of like
whenever you don't like the filmthat I absolutely fucking love
and just think is a masterpiece,because I put as the bad
nothing kind of a perfect film,but no, this is kind of like why
Point Break is one of myfavorite movies that we did and

(01:22:13):
even Blowout, because you'relike this movie is fucking
whatever Jesse.
well, I guess also the bad isit's kind of a boys, because
you're like this movie isfucking whatever Jesse.
Well, I guess also the bad isit's kind of a boys film.
I feel like Michael Mann makesmovies for boys.
Yeah, because I'm just like no,it's about two dudes, criminals

(01:22:33):
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
you know, it's all about being cool with a gun and
I never thought that Max'scareer was ever going to take
off with the island cab he wasnever going to do it he was
looking at the cabs.
He was like they look likeHonda Civics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Well, they're like Mercedes, yeah, the one, yeah,
which you know, it's justbecause it's like it was around
the time where, like, carsdidn't look that cool, I guess
yeah, I know, that was one thingI saw and I was like I guess
you should.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
I think that was a part of it where it's like he's
not even fucking looking.
How are you going to party in asedan?

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
I think that was part of it.
It's like man, the guy's noteven actually looking at
limousines.
He's looking at four doors.
You can call those limousines.
I think that was the show.
It's like man.
He's not even like.
What are you doing here?
He's not even trying to getlimousines, he's, I don't know.
So the ugly what do you got forthe ugly?

(01:23:22):
I don't really have anythingfor the ugly, except for the way
the mom treats her son.
Yeah, I went on a it's moreabout the actors.
Cruise went on a losing streakwith his movies for a while and
you know everybody thought hewent nutso because he kind of
did because of uh, scientologyreally got into him.
He smashed that table.
Yeah, um, fox, uh, jamie Foxxnever took it to the next level,

(01:23:44):
like after winning his Oscar.
It's just kind of like man, youshould be in like every movie
like forever, and it's just likehe never got into a movie.
That was like, yeah, you shouldbe being nominated every year
for an Oscar, type of thing.
And then, uh, jada, you know,she kind of just she's really
strong in mid, like early 2000sand kind of went away and then,

(01:24:04):
but you know, that's just howHollywood treats actresses.
Which is also part of the ugly,cool.
So what do you got as the fine?
I'm not sure I put.
Cruz is a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Never really get to see it, oh yeah you do?

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Yeah, that is true, and this is kind of one of the
first times and he's great at it.
He's a perfect bad guy becausehe's a weirdo.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Yeah, he is a weirdo.
And even when he's trying to bea good guy, he's not good at it
.
I don't think, because I neverreally get the idea.
Even idea even is in like martof was it not mars attacks, but
the one with the alien war ofthe world or the world?
And he was just trying to be adad, but he sucks at being a dad
?

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
yeah, he definitely.
I guess that's why you put tomcruise in it, but uh, because I
was like that's the point of warthe world.
Bad dad turns to good dad.
I don't know.
Yeah, um, yeah, there is a.
There's always something alittle off about Tom Cruise in
all his movies.
But, that's also kind of whyhe's a movie star, I guess.
So, yeah, and then also saidthe look of the film.

(01:25:05):
This is the first time Iwatched a movie that looked like
this and I was just like holyshit.
And then man did that in MiamiVice and it's kind of even
better than that because itlooks shittier.
I need to watch that againbecause I haven't seen that.
We're definitely, we'redefinitely going to do it and
you're going to be like thismovie sucks and I'm going to be
like, hey, chica, no, it don't.
Plus, they're in boats that gofast.

(01:25:27):
I like Colin Farrell oh yeah,this is when he.
That was, when he was likedrunk as hell movie, um.
But yeah, so we're gonna go toa double feature for you.
Choose a movie that goesalongside this movie and be a
great double feature.
Um, did you come up?

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
with anything I was trying to um and I just kept
thinking about.
For some reason I just keptthinking about the wayans
brothers yeah, um, but another Iwas because jamie fox yeah like
uh improv comedy and stuff likethat yeah um, I chose the movie

(01:26:08):
cellular.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
You ever seen it?
Cellular?
This is for you, babe.
I'm talking to my wife here,not jason.
So, chris ev, right, a womangets kidnapped, right, and the
kidnapper put her like in theattic and the kidnapper is going
to go after, like her father orher husband and son or whatever

(01:26:29):
.
Yes, and then she just callsout yeah and calls the random
person.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Randomly calls Chris Evans.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Yes, who is like I got to find this fucking lady.
And then Jason Statham's likeI'm going to kill you.
Chris Evans, I'm in LA.
Wow, that went Australian.
It's a fun, fun movie.
Yeah, it's great.
I just remember like Natalie'swatching one day and I was like

(01:26:55):
holy shit, this movie is good.
It's kind of one of those likeI don't know, it's not like a
critically liked movie, but it'sjust like fun to watch and it's
very, very 2000.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
That'll be mine Double feature Transporter,
because you didn't get enoughDouble dose of J-State.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Yeah, that's a good one.
So, yeah, go watch.
I need to watch Transporter.
I haven't seen that since I wasa kid and I do not remember it
at all, except for the fact thathe transports things in cool
cars.
He does that, he's really goodat it and he's very professional
man Collateral.
So I think if you were to do it, start with Collateral right
Like you're awake, you know,still it might be late at night,

(01:27:35):
I don't know.
So you get like this moreserious movie out of the way.
It's got good action.
You may be jason and not reallylike it, and then you go to
transporter right.
Then you go like I'm jasonstate, I transport things, and
then that's like a fun actionmovie.
And then you get to do a littlesilly movie and sillier and
it's like a great night.
Oh yeah, I planned your night.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Everybody have fun fun Six hours of movies.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
But that's it, baby.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
That's collateral.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Make sure you join us next week because we're going
to another movie where someoneshoots people in the chest twice
and one in the head.
We're doing finally doing JohnWick.
Yeah, dakota's going to join us.
May see if someone else wouldwant to come over and join us
Sweet world of assassination.
Fuck John Wick, dude.
It's like one of the bestaction movies since, I don't

(01:28:25):
know, Matrix, the last KeanuReeves action movie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Since Point Break.
Yeah, when he finally learnshow to shoot.
This is just the sequel toPoint.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Break.
I can't wait to do John Wicktomorrow, so join us next week
for that and, as I said earlier,leave us some fan mail.
You know where to do.
It's in the description.
Come on, guys, and then tellyour friends about us.
Be like holy shit, man, thatcollateral episode was so good.
I'm gonna tell all my friendsabout it and then, if they don't

(01:28:57):
like it, you know what to do.
Find Tom Cruise, tell them andthen also leave us some reviews,
please.
It's great.
It'll help people find us and Idon't know.
It's just like create a wholecommunity.
Then you go on like Reddit andthen have subreddits and you can
yell about how bad we are atthis.
I don't know, know, that's whatsome reddits for right um, I

(01:29:17):
would like to thank Joey Prosser.
You can follow him on x at, mrJoey Prosser.
He did our intro and outromusic and damn, uh, that's it.
Um, this has been the werecommend podcast.
I'm Jesse, I'm Jason.
Um, bye you.

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