Ex Machina

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A serene wilderness hides unsettling questions about consciousness and creation in Alex Garland's masterful sci-fi thriller Ex Machina. What begins as a seemingly simple Turing test evolves into a multi-layered game of manipulation where the lines between tester and subject blur dangerously.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a
movie podcast where every weekwe recommend a movie for you to
watch and then come back hereand listen to us discuss.
I'm Jesse, I'm Jason.
If you've created a consciousmachine, it's not the history of
man, that's the history of gods.
Because this week we recommendEx Machina.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
So you're saying I'm a god?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yes, no, I didn't say that I actually did.
That's not at all what I said.
That's pretty great.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Man.
So what is this movie about foryou?
I mean, to me it's just likethe joys of having a kept woman.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
That's from Nathan's perspective yes, oh well, I
guess.
So I know that Alex Garlandkind of made this movie because
he's like all right, I want tomake a movie about something
like sci-fi movie, aboutsomething that is just around
the corner, essentially about aiand, like you know, kind of

(01:09):
like the evil used to make it,you know, going through your
search engines and just takingeverybody's data everywhere,
which would never happen.
Oh wait, yes, it does every dayand just I don't know just kind
of using it for evil, but and itwas just a thing, well, not
really evil.
I don't think he's using it forevil, he's just trying to
create something.
It appears to be evil, but thatkind of depends on what you
think of robots and whether theyshould be treated equally.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I think what it's really really about is we've got
to help these billionairesbecome better at meeting women
before they just start makingtheir own.
That is true.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
It's like come on guys.
Well, I don't know, half thetime these billionaires have
like 50 kids.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, it's not like they like them.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
They can't stop having.
Oh, that's true.
Who likes kids?
Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
You got to have a designer woman.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, but he wanted to kind of make a movie where
it's like all right, what'sgoing to happen soon, and I
think the movie does a great jobof just being like yeah, I mean
, probably in like five, 10years, this is going to be
potentially realistic.
I would think, though, thetechnology in this movie.
I'm like do we have this, canwe do this?

(02:18):
And we'll, we'll constantlyhear them when they move.
Yeah, every time she moves,like that was cool my work.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
It said worrying, worrying.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Oh, in the subtitle On the Hell, yeah, so I guess I
really want to start it offtalking about something very
important.
What do you think this house,man Hell?

Speaker 2 (02:37):
yeah, the rules.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
It seems so uncomfortable, but yet cozy at
the same time, because it's soconcrete or just smells cold but
yet cozy at the same time,cause it's so concrete or just
smells cold.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't know how to say that.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
It smells like concrete.
I was just like, oh man, justlike, lay on that couch in front
of the fire pit.
Then, like every room you gointo, there's also a tree in it,
which is pretty cool, so you golike downstairs yeah you're
right, there were a lot ofconcrete.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, because it's all underground, no windows.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, and I love the house and just like how you know
, like sterile you said itlooked, and like very would
brutalist be the proper term?
Because they usually use likeconcrete and stuff, and then you
go outside and it's just likeJurassic Park, paradise,
waterfalls everywhere.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
They remind you of Jurassic Park when they're
flying in.
Yeah, it looked exactly thesame.
Yeah, remind you of JurassicPark when they're flying in.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, it looked exactly the same.
Yeah Well, Jurassic Park wasdefinitely an inspiration to
this movie.
You know, like cloning thesigns.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Those dinosaurs did have tits, yeah they did.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
That's why Sam Neill was just constantly having sex
with raptors.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
That one guy was like clever girl, clever girl, now
take off your shirt.
Stabs him a bunch.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
So do you like films about robots and like androids
and AI and stuff?
Love it, I love that shit.
Yeah, I definitely.
I kind of get annoyed with AImovies sometimes.
Yeah, just because I'm like weget it.
If you create a consciousness,we should treat them like humans
, and there's just been so manythat I'm like, yeah, but they're

(04:09):
robots, I don't know what totell you, they're ones, and
zeros, but so are we technically, I did like it.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
The one that I did not really like was the
Pinocchio one with Jude Law andthe little boy.
Yes, AI.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
That was Steven Spielberg.
Yeah, yeah, I like some aspectsof that movie, but then
ultimately I was like Sad, he'sjust sitting down at the bottom
Just like saying one phrase overand over Are you?
The blue fairy.
Are you the blue fairy?
Are you the blue fairy?
I know that was StevenSpielberg trying to make.
Stanley Kubrick was originallygoing to make that movie, but

(04:41):
then he passed away after makingeyes wide shut.
So steven spielberg was like Idid too after I watched it I was
like it's time to die.
I don't want to watch tomcruise watching sex um, but so
in outer, because everybody, allmost filmmakers love stanley,
kubrick and spielberg, you know,had the power to be like.

(05:03):
I want to make this moviechange a little bit, made it
super sappy.
I'm sure that's what Spielbergdoes, as Kubrick is very cold.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
We have to change the movie.
We had a really strong reactionfrom the Catholic audience.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah.
But I do kind of love theending, when he like comes about
from the underwater and thenit's just like all like the
world has just been taken overby AI oh yeah.
And then it's just like alllike the world has just been
taken over by AI Ooh, yeah.
And then it was like theyalmost kind of look like aliens
and they're like comes up andthey're like, oh, you're like
the first one You've been outthere this whole time.
It's like dude, are you a dummy?

(05:35):
You're a bad AI.
Sheesh, what are you?
What are he's like?
Yeah, Not all artificialintelligence is creative.
It's like I love Pinocchio 2.
I hope there is 50 billiondifferent remakes of it.
There is, you're in luck, myfriend.
My favorite was the RussianPauly Shore one.
What there is like a PaulyShore, like Pinocchio.

(05:59):
It's wild, that's ridiculous.
Yeah, but yeah, man AI right,it's going to take over the
world.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yes and thank you, overlords.
Like I mean, is it just goingto?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
be like because right now I feel like we can probably
contain AI.
I'm sure they have like safetyblocks and stuff because it's
not super smart.
Yet If you've seen the videos,they're really creepy.
They are when it's like AI madevideo and then all of a sudden
the arms are just like.
This is cool and scary.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, it is getting harder to distinguish what AI
makes, but once you see the oldhuman with like six fingers-
they're like all morphing intoeach other?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, but people are stupid enough to believe it.
I mean, we know that we sawthat before the election, like
everybody's, like Donald Trump'sin a damn river saving people,
and it's like, dude, this is AI.
And then everybody has tobacktrack.
Well, I even still, it's stilllike the meanings there, cause
you would.
And it's like, yeah, he wouldRight, he would Right.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I like the one of him licking the toes Elon's toes.
That was pretty nice man.
Those toes look hella tasty too.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I can't blame the boy , but I feel like it is going to
do.
There's just going to be onebillionaire.
That's just like let's take thesafety blocks off, see what
happens.
And then it's like, oh, thereis no power anymore.
It's like, yeah, you pull thechocks out from under the planes

(07:28):
of the wheel, yeah, it juststarts rolling.
It's like, oops, the wheels ofthe plane.
So in the movie, do you likefeel bad for eva, or do you just
see her as a robot that is justmanipulating?
uh, I did feel bad for her untilshe fucked over the dude yeah,
I know because you really kindof do love caleb through it, but
know for something that's newand young, like Eva.
I think it's Ava, ava.

(07:49):
I accidentally put Eva, it'sbecause of Pokemon Evie, but
it's like well, yeah, I mean, sofar, humans have been really
shitty to you and you just seethis twerp that you just want to
manipulate.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, so she was programmed to do kind of.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
And I kind of love the ending, when she like gets
off and she just blends into thecrowd immediately and it's like
scary, it's like wait this,like, because at first when
she's escaping it's like fuckyeah, girl, go get it on.
But then it's just like whatnow happens.
Right, what does this?

Speaker 2 (08:22):
mean Walking around and ripping off people's skin.
Yeah, it's like oh, so you'renot a robot, okay, Got to check
everybody and something that Iwas doing.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I have this on Blu-ray, so I was able to watch
the behind the scenes, and onething that Oscar Isaac said
about this movie it's like thathe loved is that it's people in
a room torturing each other withtheir brain and I was like dang
yeah, because it's kind of likea play, which I guess that's
what most plays are.
Yeah, he's broken up into actsand I was just like oh yeah, I

(08:53):
mean, eventually we're all justgonna get so smart, that
someone's gonna get so smart,they're like I, and then if I
created it, I'm a god.
I was like oh yeah, this is agreat way to explain the movie.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I want to make one, but replace the brain with like
a goldfish bowl and have it likeswimming around.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Hell yeah, just like on top of your head.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, so like the goldfish will be piloting the
human.
Nothing can go wrong.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
So it's like Ratatouille Rakikuni,
goldfish-aruni.
Yeah exactly, it's irakakunigoldfish.
Exactly it's like the goldfish,like you, only like take one
step and then like one step back, because the goldfish keeps
forgetting what it's doing.
Wait, I don't wait.
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
keeps feeding itself to death, like it ends up dying
it's like I need to feed myself.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Wait, what was I going to do?
Still hungry?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
alright, so some inspirations for Nathan.
It's like I need to feed myself.
Wait, what was I going to do?
Oh, I need to feed.
Oh, I'm still hungry.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, all right.
So some inspirations for Nathan, right?
So in order to create thecharacter, oscar Isaac, was
inspired by two figures BobbyFisher, the chess guy, yeah, and
Stanley Kubrick, becauseeverybody loves Stanley Kubrick.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I thought you were going to say like Dan Bilzario
or something.
Dan Bilzario, I don't even knowwho that is.
Bilzario Balls Swaller, I don'tknow, he's a billionaire.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh, okay, he probably does all the little balls.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
But he's like really buff and he's always working out
.
He's got the big beard like him.
Looks a lot like this guy.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Really, oh, that's cool.
Apparently they're going tohave him have, like, long hair
and stuff, but they eventuallydecided to not have Nathan have
long hair because he's supposedto be unkempt, something like
that.
Yeah, they went totallyopposite.
Yeah, because you know he'slike an alcoholic and like stuff
like that.
So the CGI suit, right.

(10:42):
Are you wondering how theycreated her look?
So when she was on set, she hadjust kind of like this mesh net
on.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
With like a green screen suit or something.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
So it was just completely gray, so like kind of
what you see on her shouldersand stuff.
That's like the actual suit.
And then they CGI'd everythingdown from where it's like all
clear and like to her ankles andso, and how her face went out?
It had a cut into the middle ofthe face to like her nose and
eyes can be seen, and then theyhad to put like prosthetics

(11:11):
around her forehead so likelooks like it's coming out of
the suit, that's cool.
And then everything's justreplaced with CGI.
How about the fact that thismovie has a 15 million dollar
budget and it's the best fuckingCGI you'll ever see?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Like I mean, did anything look fake at all at one
point?
No, I was kind of keeping aclose eye on like her neckline
yeah, because I was trying tofigure it out and like I mean
nothing to complain about thething is that that's not even
CGI, that's just.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I mean, they obviously use CGI to cut out the
wrinkles and they probably alittle bit.
But I'm just like in this one,like best special effects
beating out like Force Awakensand stuff, and it's like, hey,
they did this movie for a $15million budget.
The Russo brothers put out aturd on Netflix called like the

(11:55):
electric state.
That looks terrible.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, it's like I really I love the crazy Kyoko at
the end, when she pulls off herface and you just see like it
looks like a party mask orsomething.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, that'd be a sweet mask to wear on halloween
bro I just want to like.
So, uh, the location of themovie is actually set in norway,
so this is an actual hotel innorway that they used what, and
it's like a combination betweenthe hotel and sets that they
built, like, I think, a lot ofthe underground stuff.
When it goes in that and likethroughout the movie, they'll

(12:27):
like transition from one roominto the other one and that's
transitioning from a set into,like, the actual hotel, which is
really cool.
Um, just another one.
So Domino Gleason, uh, which is, uh, that's a blonde guy, right
?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the.
He's a mad eye mooney's son.
Who's that in harry potter?

(12:48):
Oh, matt, that, I think it'sbrendan gleason.
Yeah, um, it's also funny thatin domino gleason appeared in an
episode of black mirrorentitled be right back, in which
he played an ai who forms arelationship with a human woman.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's cool, awesome because I hadn't seen him before
.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I just could not nail it down yeah, and so their
names are based off of, uh,biblical names.
Obviously, ava is the form ofthe name of eve, who was, of
course, the first woman that godcreated.
Nathan was a prophet of caleb,who was a spy sent to, uh uh,
sent to infiltrate the promisedland, or whatever, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I don't remember the book of Kyoko, though.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, I don't remember that one either.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
What was the dude's name?
What was Gleeson's name?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Caleb, there is definitely something for that.
I just didn't have it in thenotes.
That's the son of Adam orsomething.
So in the movie, for the mostof the film, ava is the prisoner
, while Caleb is free to comeand go.
However, during their interviewsession, this is visually
inverted.
Caleb sits in a small vestibuleroom with Ava's much larger

(13:54):
space.
Even this is then reversedagain by the actors, as Caleb is
relatively comfortable in thespace, but Ava often paces
around, as Alex Garland put it,like a tiger in a cage.
Damn, alex Garland put it.
Like a tiger in a cage.
Damn, it was great.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
And I guess if I would have known that it was
biblical Caleb that he dies inthe end, because that's kind of
his story.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, yeah, oh, to even like more biblical things.
So, caleb, no that's Cain.
Cain, I'm thinking of Cain.
You're right, I don't know.
I really don't know who Calebis.
So Caleb discovers that Nathanhad made an earlier version to
Ava, whose name was Lily.
In analogy to the myth aboutLilith, the first woman that God
created before Eve, in Jewishfolklore Lilith becomes Adam's

(14:33):
first wife.
Lilith left Adam after sherefused to become a servant to
him.
God proceeded to create asecond Eve for Adam after Lilith
had returned to dust,reprogrammed it.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Earl takes a big L though Turn into dust Alright,
and as we talked earlier, afterthe power locked down, caleb
exits his room.
Along the walls are versions ofAva's face.
Greek mask used in classicGreek theater.
A nod to Deus Ex Machina usedin classic Greek theater, which
we explained earlier, is Deus ExMachina literally means God

(15:05):
from the machine in Latin,originating from the ancient
Greek theater where a god wouldbe lowered onto the stage by a
crane-like device to resolve aplay's conflict.
Happens in almost every actionmovie, big fantasy movie, the
Eagles in Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, why the fuck didn't they just ask the Eagles
in the beginning?
Hey, bros.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Well, I guess because they're like we should pad this
runtime for three movies andit'd be 12 hours long.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, tolkien, and it ended up working.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
You had to write a book.
It's like I don't know we dooveruse it, but it's just kind
of a plot trope like a movietrope.
Yeah, I guess the birds werebusy.
Yeah, dude Birds.
I think in the, I think in thebooks, they say something, but
you know, yeah, they mentionedthe Eagles.
Um, he wants to read Fortnite5,000 times.

(15:59):
That's all I remember fromtrying to read like the
beginning of I was like whoa.
That's all I remember.
From trying to read like thebeginning of I was like whoa.
We're like three pages intoLord of the Rings and Fortnite
has been used a lot it justmeans two weeks I'd rather play
the video game.
All right, I think that'sprobably enough facts, right?
I feel like those wereinteresting enough.
Yeah, we're just going to rundown.
Well, I mean, you pretty muchknow all these people.

(16:21):
Ava is played by AliciaVikander, domino Gleason is
Caleb, oscar Isaac is Nathan,and then you got Sonia Mizuno is
Kyoko, which she crushes, andthat's pretty much all you need
to know there.
And a little rundown on AlexGarland.
I'm assuming you've probablyseen some of his stuff.
You tried to watch Civil War,right?

(16:43):
Yeah, I watched a little bit ofit.
Yeah, so he wrote and directedthat.
He wrote and directed Men,which is a wild-ass movie you
should watch that.
Kids can't be around.
He created the TV miniseriesDevs.
I don't know if you've checkedthat out, I haven't finished it,
but it's really good.
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Annihilation um and now annihilation.
It's based on like a book.
Uh, I think I have natalieportman's yes, I have seen that.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
That looks cool as hell, got a fucking rad ending.
He actually wrote, um, theremake of the 2013 devil may cry
.
I didn't know that until justnow.
Then, ex machina, he did thescreenplay for dread, the newest
dread, with, uh, carl urban.
Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Um, he wrote sunshine, which Iwanted to do, but it's not on
anything, so I didn't want youto have to rent it 28 Days Later

(17:29):
.
And then he wrote the novel theBeach that turned into a movie
with Leo which I've yet to see.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
My wife loves it.
Wait, the Beach.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, oh.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Leonardo DiCaprio.
Yeah, I was thinking of the onewhere they get old on the beach
.
Oh, you're thinking of old.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, oh yes, I actually like that movie.
It's bad and I loved it.
Yeah, it was kind ofinteresting.
It's like, man, I'm just in thebag for M Night, though Just
make whatever you want, dude, Iwant to see your brain.
Tell me what you're thinkingabout today.
All right, man, let's hop intothe plot.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Ex.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Machina 2013.
So we start.
We meet Caleb Smith, played byDomino Gleason.
See his phone camera scanninghim, his webcam scanning him,
because, you know, it's kind oflike we see from the perspective
of it and there's like thisdigital, like coloring around
him.
When he's looking at his stuffat the beginning it's like, oh,

(18:26):
I wonder why he's being scanned.
Yeah, and he's a programmer atthe search engine company Blue
Book Wins an office contest fora one week visit to the
luxurious, isolated home of CEONathan Bateman.
No relation to Jason Bateman.
How do you know I don't JasonBateman?
How do you know I don't?
Yeah, I'll never trust, like alottery, to go stay at some

(18:49):
guy's house.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, you won the chance to live with the boss for
a week.
It's like ooh yay, thank you.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
I hope he's cool and not weird.
Oh wait, he's a billionaire,probably, yes.
So Nathan lives in the middleof nowhere, in a vast estate
surrounded by untouched jungles,snow-peaked mountains and other
insurmountable natural barriers.
The only way to get to his homeis to fly there by helicopter.
I love it when they get there.
It's like what part of thisdoes he own?

(19:17):
So we've been flying over thepart that he owns for two hours,
which I think was a nod toJurassic Park.
Yeah, yep, so the whole areahas no cell phone service.
Caleb has dropped a few milesaway from Nathan's house and he
has to walk the way there.
That sucks, yeah, it's like youknow what.
Take me back.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, this is weird, it's immediately.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
too weird, the whole fact that we've been flying over
it for two hours and you're noteven going to drop me off right
at the door, the pilot, it'slike all right, see you bye.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, he gets the fuck out, yeah um, we see him.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
He has his picture taken for a key card so that he
can get into certain it's funnythough, because he's just like
making a face.
Yeah, he's like he looks at itand it's so funny.
It's like hell, yeah.
Um, then we get to meet nathan.
He's hitting a punching bag.
Probably probably not a goodsign immediately, right, that he
likes to exercise.
Someone's hitting a punchingbag.
It's like this guy can knock meout.

(20:11):
I'm a little skinny boy, caleb.
I can't do this.
I can't fight against this.
So Nathan immediately has Calebpegged, asked him to not be
weird and just be two guyschilling.
Yeah easy, yeah, easy, yeah.
Here's the thing, though.
Like if Caleb wasn't like kindof so, like snooping and stuff

(20:32):
into everything, it probablywould have been kind of a fun.
Stay Like you're just hangingout in this rich guy's house.
Uh, you have to kind of dealwith the fact that there's a
Android walking around.
Well, he doesn't know that atthe beginning, yeah, but it's
like oh cool, so I'm gonna getto talk to this ai.
Uh, you have so much shit inhere.

(20:53):
I can just play with stuff whenI'm not doing the test.
So many toys we're just gonnaparty every night and then, like
, later I'm gonna learn thatthis robot can dance and that's
how I'm gonna spend most of mytime.
Having this robot teach me howto dance.
That's badass.
And then, I don't know, you getto talk to this billionaire,
smarty pants.
That could be interesting forsix days, right At most, if

(21:17):
there just wasn't a weirdelement to it, you know, it
might be all right, especiallysince Nathan seems like a
well-adjusted human billionairea little bit Like he seems like
a chill bro.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Versus, like you think of like.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Could you talk to Bezos for six days?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
No.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
He doesn't seem like a human right, Same as Elon Musk
.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
They kind of love bomb you At least Nathan does to
Caleb.
He kind of love bombs him withall.
At least Nathan does to Caleb.
Yeah, he love bombs him withall this wealth and bro-ness,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Before he hits him with all the weird shit.
I would probably immediately belike can I punch that punching
bag real quick?

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Let's get drunk immediately and punch a bag.
You hit it and there's like achild inside of it.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Don't worry about that I knew there was something
not right here and there's likea child inside of it.
Don't worry about that.
I knew there was something notright here.
So we learned Caleb has beengiven a security key card which
only allows him to accesscertain areas of the house,
while others being off limits.
That's when it's like, hmm,though I mean, let's be real,
you stay at an Airbnb, there'ssome room sometimes you can't go
into Boy, do I look underneaththe crack?
Yes, I mean, let's be real, youstay at an Airbnb, there's some

(22:23):
rooms, sometimes you can't gointo Gabby you really want to
see what's in there, boy, do Ilook?
underneath the crack.
Yes, I do, because I have toknow.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's a sex dungeon every time.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yay.
So Nathan explains that hishouse is a research facility and
most of it is hosted below theground to maintain secrecy.
That would be rad.
I kind of wish I had anunderground part of my house,
live like a hobbit, except minewould just be filled with moles.
They'd somehow break in, can'tget rid of the damn things.
So he reveals that the househas enough fiber optic cable to

(22:55):
reach the moon and lasso it.
Nathan also makes Caleb sign anNDA.
Whoops, da whoops, I love it.
Kayla's like uh, I think I needa lawyer for this.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
actually he's like nah, but then like nathan's,
like bro, like be chill, cool,like here.
Smoke this to forget about yourworries and sign this yeah, I
feel like he didn't even read itall the way through.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, it was just like the fact that, because he
kind of uses the like look,you're about to be a part of
something that's going to changethe world, and it would suck if
you missed this moment becauseyou don't want to sign this
piece of paper Right Piece ofshit, but then I can't talk
about it, so what does it matter?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Oh yeah, and you can't use the phones, I can lock
you in your room and I'mwatching you at all times, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Man, still be like, Just be cool about it.
Man, I'd be like, okay, but I'mjust like I would be most upset
at the fact that my TV onlyshows me this Android.
I'd be like I can't watchanything else.
Yeah, there's nothing.
There's nothing else.
No, netflix Shit.
So Nathan reveals that he hasbuilt a humanoid robot named Ava
, with artificial intelligence.
She has already passed a simpleTuring test.
A Turing test is a humaninteracts with a computer

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without being able to find outthat it is a computer, and he
wants Caleb to judge whether sheis genuinely capable of thought
and consciousness, as well aswhether he can relate to Ava
despite knowing she is anartificial.
And this is where we get theline I said at the top If you've
created a conscious machine,it's not the history of man,
that's the history of gods.
Great line, great fucking line.

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Nathan's just like yeah, oh God, go do your first session.
I got something I got to do.
You're hired Kyoko, where areyou?
So session one Ava.
She has a robotic body with aphysical form and a face of a
woman.
She's confined to her apartmentbehind a glass wall.
Caleb can see signs of astruggle on the glass, meaning

(24:55):
that in the past.
Perhaps Ava tried to escapecaptivity?
We know that's not true.
So during the first session,caleb is amazed by her but
treats her as an experiment.
Uh more, just amazed that sheexists as a machine.
She asks how old she is and he,she says one one one.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I am one day, probably a year, I would assume
probably a year.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Uh, we see nathan watching and writing things down
and put it on his wall filledwith sticky notes.
Yeah, that was interesting.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah it seems like a terrible way.
It seemed like he was in somemovies.
They do that.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
They're trying to like cover something up yeah, I
think for him it's just like agreat way to show that it's like
he's eccentric, he's a weirdo Iguess he's got a weird way of
thinking.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
That's why we're not rich billionaires.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, well, it's actually funny when I do like
try to make short films andstuff, like I was.
It's kind of very chaotic how Idid notes.
I'd have like three differentnotebooks and I'd write like
different things down in eachnotebook.
So I'd be like, all right, I'mgoing to go look at it.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I'd wait.
No, it's in this way.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'm like, why do I do that?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
actual spaghetti at the wall.
Yeah, this is like Seeing whathappens.
Oh, I didn't spell.
This doesn't help at all.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
It didn't spell the word I wanted it to.
Maybe I should just write it.
But I do kind of get like Idon't know.
I think just you know the waysome people's brains work that
the chaos makes it feel better.
Yeah, I feel like that's how Iam.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's.
It's like I just have to.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
That's why I get paralyzed and can't do anything.
There's too many things.
We're completely the opposite.
So Caleb and Nathan talk andNathan misquotes Caleb from
earlier, saying I am a god.
Caleb tells him that a trueTuring test would have him
talking to her while not seeingher, but Nathan says that's easy
.
Ava needs to convince Calebthat she's human, even though

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she only has a face Just trueand feet.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
I mean anybody can convince you over the phone that
there's something.
That's how scammers work.
Yes Jesus, fuck All theJamaican scammers.
Keep taking our monies.
God damn it, or those goddamnprinces, princess one lady
hacked my fucking 401k reallytake it all holy shit.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I don't know if it was a person, I don't know what,
I don't know who it was, butlike so scary that'd be true.
I just really hope that neverhappens to me yeah scary, it
will don't worry, we won't havea 401k for much longer?

Speaker 1 (27:24):
No, we won't.
So Caleb wants to know how itworks, but Nathan just wants to
chill, he just wants to kickback a few brews.
And then Nathan asks how hefeels about her and Caleb says
she's fucking amazing.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
He's in love.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, he definitely is, and I guess he just yeah.
I mean, I guess, if the onlything you work really mess
around with is robots trying toescape and one robot that just
can't talk, and you just havesex with just building your own
friends yeah, hey, sounds like akind of a good idea yeah, I

(28:01):
want friends that only do what Iask and they love all the
things I love.
Yeah, it's like I don't have tobe like a rich, like yeah, I
guess I want friends that onlydo what I ask and they love all
the things I love.
Yeah, it's like I don't have tobe like a rich rapper or
whatever to have all these yes,men around me.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
I can just make them.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
So Caleb can't sleep.
We see that he has a scar onhis back, no-transcript.
It's like he's just beingmanipulated, not only by Eva but
also Nathan.
So while watching her, we seeEva causes a power outage that

(28:36):
locks Caleb in his room.
Oh, we don't have that yet I'mgoing to blow you out at that
point, yeah, once you can'tleave.
It's like oh, oh shit.
Sorry, nathan, I got to go.
I left my oven running.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Shit just got weird.
I'm out.
I left my oven running.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Shit just got weird, I'm out I think I left my car on
at the parking lot, so I needto go back Like, if you don't
mind, it's probably a Tesla.
You think you would have lethim leave.
Yeah, I think you'd let himleave.
I think he just found a new guyto do it.
Yeah, he'd probably sign theNDA.
Yeah, he'd probably like resether brain to be like all right,
you never met Caleb, so whilewatching her are you said that?

(29:11):
So Caleb goes out to try to usea phone when Nathan scares him.
Nathan is drinking.
He's very drunk.
Most of the time you'd see him.
Nathan tells him the doors lockwhen the power shuts so nobody
can get in.
But it's really so she can'tget out.
Now we know to be scared ofNathan because it's ominous as
shit.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
He's just sitting in a shadows, a dark room, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
And you know he can punch his lights out.
Yeah, because he does.
Yeah, and it's great.
I'm like hell.
Yeah, drops him like a rock.
Yeah, so they're like sittingand eating.
We meet Kyoto.
A servant.
Caleb isn't sure how to right.
Yeah, this is where she likespills something.
He's like fuck it's like don'tworry.
She can't understand, don'tworry, she's property.

(29:55):
Yeah, um, caleb isn't sure how,how to test Ava Nathan tells
him to stop being so analyticaland just talk to her and found
out what she thinks about him.
As in Caleb, yeah, it's justlike.
Hey, you're here to test if shecan be like a human, so stop
asking your questions.
You'd want to ask a computer?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
as soon as he walked in, she just starts ragging on
it real hard.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
It's like yo you look like a fucking nerd bro who cut
your hair, your ma, what sheuse a bowl, put it over your
head.
Let me guess you wear briefs.
It like I don't even know howthat's an insult.
I don't know how.
That's how.
That's the only thing I thinkof is like make fun of his
underwear.
No support, man.

(30:37):
It's like what you got bones inyour body.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Fucking nerd.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Fucking nerd, talk to me when you got a goo in your
head.
So Ava proposes a friendship toCaleb and says that in a
friendship both parties have thehave a right to know about each
other.
At that point I'm like yo, no,I'm out.
Dude, like let's not have AI.
It's like this thing.
I don't want computer, I don'twant robots to know about me.

(31:03):
They already do.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah that's true.
They know everything.
I'm looking at something thatknows everything about me.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
So Caleb says that he's 26 year old and not married
.
He lives in a small apartmentwhich is five minutes away from
the office and five minutes awayfrom the ocean.
Nice Sounds nice.
Yeah, ava knows that Blue Bookis the world's most popular
Internet search engine,accounting for 94 percent of all
Internet search queries Google.
Caleb grew up in Portland,oregon, and has no brothers and

(31:31):
sisters.
He parents were both highschool teachers who died in a
car accident, and he was in thecar with him and spent a year in
the hospital.
And he's single Nerd Fuckingloser.
Get a girlfriend, bro.
That's why he's here and I loveit because, like during all
this, you see Ava she's, youknow, like reacting.
But the way that the actressplays it, it's just like you can

(31:56):
kind of tell that it's like arobot reacting and it's a very
good mix between her beingreally good at a robot
pretending to have humanemotions during times when she's
like obviously, like what we'llknow later is like this is all
a game, like she's, just she'splaying?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
yeah, she's playing them.
She's looking so closely at hismicro yeah face and it's just
like her reaction to like, oh,his parents are dead.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
and it's like she gives a face of like empathy.
But you know, it's just like Ican use this.
She's like like ha ha, prove,no, if I had parents, they'd
never die.
Truth.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
She's the real one.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
So then suddenly the power goes out and things get
ominous.
Ominous.
Baby Always want to say ominous, I'm ominous, I'm ominous.
Ava tells him to not trustNathan and that he, he is not
his friend.
Then the power comes back onand she pretends to have a
normal conversation.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
rules love it how she just turns it on it reminds me
of survivor, survivor's backbaby.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
So we're gonna, I'm gonna be talking about survivor
in these episodes.
But you know, like when they'rehaving like a, they're like a
conversation about gettingsomebody out and like, as they
walk up, it's like oh yeah, Ilove that movie too.
Ha ha, fist bump boy.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
This whole movie reminds me a lot of Westworld.
It was kind of the same idea Ionly watched like the first,
like couple episodes.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
The first season kicks ass yeah, that's what I
heard, and then it immediatelygoes off the rails A little bit,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Still fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Actually, I wish they to properly do this test.
It'd be great if they put Avaon Survivor.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
See how well she does .
She's just come back a weeklater.
She's just wearing their skin.
Yeah, it's like.
Well, it's got Jeff's face onit, all right, I'm the host.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
You gotta dig.
It's like who are you sayingthat to?
You've killed everybody.
Just lumps of flesh on theground.
All right Time to vote.
You guys suck at surviving.
Just goes.
It's like each person's faceputs it on, goes and votes.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Moves the hand with her mouth, with her hand.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Oh wait, I'd watch this shit, I don't know Right,
this would be great.
Oh, this is my bad.
We were talking about Kyokoearlier spilling the stuff.
She doesn't spill it.
She spills it now, some wine,and we learn she can't
understand English.
So Nathan can talk tradesecrets.
He's very rude to her.
So Nathan seems to not know whythe power cuts out.
Then he asked how the sessionwent with Ava.

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They talk about how she made ajoke.
Then Nathan asked what happenedduring the power outage and
Caleb tells him nothing happened.
Though it's like the way hesays it.
Nathan's like okay, well,that's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, he knows what's going on, I'm going to have to
put a battery-powered camera inat some point.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
So we see Kyoko sitting in the hallway with her
shoes off and Caleb watching Avaon his TV.
Then she looks at the cameraand Caleb smiles.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Oh, who's that love?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
What a what a fucking loser dude.
Well, they call what a simp bro.
Oh, simp Probably has like 15OnlyFans accounts, nice, just
constantly sending him money andproblems.
That's where all his money goes.
Yeah, so Nathan shows Caleb thelab where he created Ava.
He says that he hacked theworld's cell phones and directed

(35:12):
their voice and video datathrough Blue Book to gather
enough data to train Ava'sability to recognize facial and
voice modular expressions.
He says that companies knew hewas doing it but couldn't say
anything because they were doingthe same thing.
Yeah, love it.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
It's kind of like what Batman did yeah, which is
At the end of Dark.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Knight yeah, which is great.
It's kind of like what Batmandid, yeah, which is at the end
of Dark Knight yeah, which isgreat, because it's like what's
his name?
Morgan Freeman's character islike I, this fucking sucks,
you're a villain now I'm peacingout, okay.
Batman's like I just had to.
I just want to know what.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Rachel was off to dude, yeah, but Nathan's like
it's only a little villainy,yeah, like everyone else is
doing it, it's fine yeah it'slike what do you want me to do?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I'm a billionaire, I have nothing else to do.
Yeah, so we see that Ava'sbrain is made up of structured
gel run by Blue Book.
Okay, so Nathan says that hisrivals would use the same their
search engines as ways to findout what people were thinking,
but he says that it shows howpeople were thinking like how

(36:18):
they were thinking, not likewhat they were thinking and he
said that was the more importantthing so that he could use that
to power the AI, to be liketeach it how to think, not like
just giving a bunch of data intotheir brain, I guess.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
This was the more complicated part.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
He also uploaded the entire archive of like Pornhub.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah.
So one thing we know Ava willknow how to do Pornbot 3000.
Is have to have pornographicstuff.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
But if you take all I mean, he said, like you, you
created her face by looking atall my porn searches.
Yeah, a little later.
Yeah, that'd be wild.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, just be like what.
Then you go home and it's likewhich face did he use the?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
most.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
That's so weird, yeah , so we cut to the third session
.
During their talks, Caleb growscloser and she expresses a
desire to experience the outsideworld and romance.
It's like, yeah, right, dude,he's ready for love.
It's like I wish, like at theend.
Whenever she leaves, she justlike flicks him off.
She's like you had no shot, bro.
It's like I just immediatelywant to bro up the robot.

(37:23):
So Ava decides to get dressed.
She dresses up as a normal girland wants to know if Caleb is
attracted to her.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
He's like no.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
He's like I actually prefer girls with long hair.
So hey, toots, get back thereand get a haircut, all right.
But Ava can see through Caleb'smicro expressions that he is
indeed attracted to her.
Caleb is unnerved by Ava'ssexuality and learns from Nathan
that Ava has the necessary bodyparts to engage in and enjoy
sex.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
He's kind of trying to say that sex drives
everything.
Yeah, pretty much, I guess.
It drives all of our thoughtprocesses At least for me it
does, For sure.
So what are you thinking aboutright now?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
That's why you never ask anybody what they're
thinking about.
Nope, it's always sex, becauseI have to make something up on
the fly.
It's like uh, not sex.
It's like really, baseball,baseball, cat food.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's like, oh, oh, really, who's your favorite?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
baseball player?
I don't know, just kidding.
Football, you know the guy withthe bat?
Yeah, that one guy.
So Nathan also insists that henever programmed Ava to like
Caleb.
She is free to act and thinkand feel how she wants.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
And you're also the first guy she's ever met yeah,
other than me.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
And, by the way, I'm super mean to her.
He's ever met, yeah, other thanme and, by the way, I'm super
mean to her.
So, session four, kayla comesout and tells her he is there to
test her.
She says she didn't know thatNathan is looking on from the
cameras while with a sleepingKyoko.
As Caleb talks aboutconsciousness, kyoko opens her
eyes and watches.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
She can hear and understand.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, I mean that's what.
Yeah, I mean that's what yeah,even though apparently she I
guess she just can't talk.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
This is the point where you thought that, yeah, I
think, turned off her voice box.
Yeah, hey, that's what you needto be selling here.
Damn, damn, I kid, I kid.
Now is this when you kind ofstarted to think that she's a
robot, or did you think thatbefore?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Oh, I just assumed she was a robot when she said
she can't talk.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Well he said that she can't understand English.
He never said she couldn't talk.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, I just kind of assumed it immediately.
Um Well, but wait, did IUnderstand it?
Like when I first saw it, Iguess I would have just assumed
it was a robot yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I didn't think until it was a little bit later yeah
at this point I was like maybeshe's in on it, maybe she's
trying to.
Is it whenever?

Speaker 1 (40:00):
she like took, she takes off a part of her, like
body it's, and she did her face.
You're like, oh, she's a robot.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
No, no, no.
I realized that whenever hesnuck in like, he stole the key
card and looked into his oldfiles.
Yeah, all the other women, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
That's when you yeah.
So then the power goes off.
She tells him she causes thepower cuts so she can see how
they behave when they aren'tobserved.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Creepy who's testing who?
Yeah, exactly, which is likethe whole point of the movie
essentially.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
So Caleb and Nathan go on a beautiful walk.
Ah, this part rolls on thephone the waterfall.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, the waterfall.
I felt so bad for Caleb.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
He's like.
Nathan, can you help me?
It's like I don't have time towork out.
I didn't know I was going toneed shoes for this type of
activity.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I know, but he's like crawling up the rocks, yeah.
And as soon as he gets there,the guy's like pretty cool, huh.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, and he just takes off.
Oh, let's go.
Oh God, hang on, we have otherplaces to go.
I just got here.
This would be my favorite partof the entire trip.
Yeah, it's pretty badass.
Yeah, it's like man able to goto locations.
Think about it, We'll be theresomeday.
So Caleb believes that he wasselected by Nathan for the test

(41:14):
and did not win a competition,because he's finally like all
right, you fucking lied, dude.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Nathan agrees I've never won anything in my life,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Nathan agrees and says that he looked for the most
talented coder in the companywho could ask Ava the right
question.
So, essentially, he's pumpingup his ego and ends up telling
him he isn't lucky, but chosen.
It's like I am the chosen one.
I am so special.
So, caleb, he's growing moreuncomfortable with Nathan's
narcissism, excessive drinkingand crude behavior towards Kyoko

(41:42):
and Ava.
Nathan uses Kyoko for sex, wesee, and visits Ava's room to
destroy the drawing she ismaking to show Caleb for their
next session.
Dick, yeah.
And then, like he goes intoafter a sesh.
He goes into and what does she?
Did she draw Caleb?
Yeah, yeah, we'll see that shedrew Caleb a little later.
And then so he's going to tryto look for Nathan and then,

(42:07):
like Kyoko's just starting totake off her top, he's like what
the fuck?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
are you doing?
Stop doing this.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
And then Oscar comes in there, or Nathan comes in
there.
He's like yo.
It's time for the portion ofthe movie where I'm charismatic
and dance.
And it fucking goes.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
What does he say?
He's like I'm going to tear upthis dance floor.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, and I love it.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
It's such a great scene right, it's perfect.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
So kyoko, the girl that plays her um, is a dancer.
Hell, yeah, yeah.
So, like I guess she taught himthe dance, I don't know, but um
, yeah, I just love it.
I feel like they practice it alittle bit and there's something
, and that's how you know whenyou got a villain on your hands,
right when he does if you start, if you start dancing, you're a
villain it's just one thing itkind of changes the subject from

(42:53):
like a, like a kind of a darksubject to, hey, let's just
forget about all that crazy shitand dance yeah, let's just
dance.
I'm in.
So I try to think like man.
I'm trying to think of othermovies where the villains dance.
You have, um, oh, this is aterrible example.
But the actor, actor Matt Smith, in what's the movie?
It's the vampire movie, it's aSpider-Man character, morbius oh

(43:19):
, I didn't see that one.
He starts just randomly dancingand it's like oh, you're a
villain.
That means you're a villain.
Obviously there's more.
I just can't think of anythingright now.
Yeah, Off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Doesn't Dr Robotnik do it in Sonic movies?
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I don't watch those, so you're probably wondering how
I got here.
Huh, Any movie that starts likethat online?
Oh God, it's so bad.
So yeah, Oscar dances.
He's super drunk.
He leads Caleb to his roomwhere Nathan passes out, but
caleb sees his control room.
Lovey walks by.
You can't go in there thenpasses out immediately on his

(43:54):
thing.
It's like you could just go inthere now.
Um, so then we're on to sessionfive.
Ava asked five question.
So ava asked if he's a goodperson, for he asked some other
questions.
He's like you got to be honest.
Like what's your favorite color?
And he says blue.
And he's like lie.
It's like well, I don't know,I'm not five, so I don't have a
favorite color anymore.
Um, but then to ask if he's agood person, and he's like uh,

(44:17):
fuck, I don't know, dude, yeahsure, I'm the best.
Um, and then ask what willhappen if she fails the test?
Guilt trip time.
And he's like uh, uh, uh, uh,uh.
So like, how's the weather inthere?
So, and then she shows thepicture of Nathan she drew.
That's all ripped up, justguilt-tripped.
She's pissed.

(44:38):
She is just like how does thismake you feel?
I'm going to use everythingy'all are doing to each other
against you?
So then the power goes out andshe tells him she wants to be
with her.
She tells him she wants to bewith him and asks if he wants to
be with her.
Oh, I love love stories.
He's like no, no, dude, I likelove porn.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
So I will think about your face.
She's kind of like theembodiment of she's seen all of
them yeah she is porn.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
I have Ava, the god of porn, porn, but yeah, so okay
.
Um, then we cut caleb becauseyeah, because didn't?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
nathan was just talking about how she's got a
robot puss yeah right like she,like he programmed them to love
sex.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, I guess, so probably right well, she has,
she has the ability to enjoy it.
But I think deep in her headshe has the choice to whether
she wants to enjoy the sex ornot, right?
She's a human.
You just gotta think of her asa human.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
She does fake it, but when she wakes up, she's like.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I love when it's like oh, hold on, we're about to
have sex.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
You say I'm warming it up and everybody cut you just
hear like a microwave, likeding ready, just like insert.
And you just hear like a dialup noise from when the internet
was young.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, this is just like is this good for you?
Up noise from when the internetwas young.
This is just like is this good?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
for you.
Yeah, it feels good and it kindof makes me feel nostalgic.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Hold on, I'm getting a phone call.
We got to stop.
So Caleb asked Nathan why hecreated Ava and he's just like I
don't see this as me decidingto create her.
I just see it as the naturalpoint of evolution.
He's like I'm an artist, justlike Jackson Pollock, yeah.
And then Caleb then learns thatNathan intends to upgrade Ava

(46:42):
after Caleb's tests, wiping hermemory circuits and, in effect,
killing her current personalityin the process, so that he can
make a new model.
Caleb feels bad for this, butNathan says he should not feel
bad for himself.
He should feel bad for himselfbecause one day the AI will take
over and we'll all just befossils.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Fuck, yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I can't wait.
Do you think it?

Speaker 2 (47:03):
was interesting that they used the Jackson Pollock
painting, because he was prettyproblematic yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
And apparently when Jackson Pollock was painting
that painting, it got damaged soyou had to like recreate it, or
like he had to go back over itand fix it apparently yeah,
which is definitely couldn'ttell if he messed it up.
Yeah, right but, like, thegreat thing about it is that,
like, essentially, is whatnathan does?
He like, yeah, create something, and then he destroys it and
then he like rebuilds it,essentially trying to make it

(47:33):
better.
Man, you know painting and art,it really just makes you think,
you know that's why I likemovies.
So after encouraging Nathan todrink until he passes out not
hard, caleb is still right Calebsteals his security card to
access his room and computer.
He alters some of Nathan's codeand discovers footage of Nathan

(47:55):
interacting with previousAndroid women who were also held
captive.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
That was a creepy scene.
Yeah, the woman that was liketrying to beat the door down and
ends up beating her hands offOff.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, yeah, dude, it's fucking sick To see all the
different versions.
Like this guy's a monster, yeahWell, because he doesn't see
them as people.
He sees them as a play thingsessentially yeah, it's like he
just created his own prisoners.
That is what billionaires willdo so he's got all these

(48:25):
skeletons in his closet.
He essentially just goes in andlooks into his room.
Kyoko is just like sittingthere just staring at the mirror
, and then he like opens all thethings and she's like yo, you
want to have sex?
Like we got an audience.
Like I don't know yeah, she'sjust chilling.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
It'd be really funny if, if, when he opened the door
there, instead of looking likenormal, like gorgeous women,
they just like every13-year-old's idea.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
They're all Arnold Schwarzenegger, by the way, a
great Terminator.
So, after encouraging Nathanand Kyoko reveals to him that
she too is an android, and Kyokoreveals to him that she too is
an android by peeling off bodyparts of her skin.
Caleb later cuts open his ownarm to determine if he himself

(49:16):
is an android, where we see thatthere is a camera in his mirror
that he covers with blood andpunches.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
So I didn't think he realized it until he was told
about it.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yeah, I was thinking like at this point is because he
went to the control room thathe knew that there was a camera
there, but I guess he didn't,because later he reveals that
he's been watching them.
Yeah fuck that would be.
Am I a robot?
It's so great because he smearsthe blood on his like later
he's like that was a bitdramatic, dude.
It's like hey, man, I don'tthink you had to cut yourself

(49:48):
that much and also do it overthe sink.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah, I don't know man, that was uh blood, like
cutting wrist, cutting stuff,like that.
God kills me.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, it makes me feel, it makes it, it makes me
like tighten my grip, Like Ijust put a ball my hands.
So I'm like I know it probably.
It's like I hope you didn't cuttoo far, boy.
I was like dude, you could havejust done a little prick on,
like the side of your arm orsomething, see a little bit of
blood and be like, okay, I'mgood, yeah, you don't have to
gash it.
But this is this is what I loveabout like this AI, android

(50:23):
shit.
It's where, if you can get tothe point of the movie where the
human is not sure if he's anandroid or not, that's where
you're like, if you can getsuccessfully get to that point
in the movie, you have a goodmovie right.
It's like if you've convincedus that maybe this human is
actually an android and you'vemade it seem like, yeah, this
makes sense, that this humanwould be like I don't know

(50:45):
anymore.
And it's like hell, yeah, Ithought it would attract.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Also, like if he, if he did find like something
inside of his skin, like atracking device or something
that would be kind of cool, orjust like a worm comes out.
It's like well, I don't evenknow what this one means, gross
so he's like yeah, I filled youfull of worms last night in your
sleep, don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
What's this for?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
it's like I can yeah, I'm just rich as hell.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I'm bored, so now we're at session 6.
At their next meeting, ava cutsthe power.
Caleb explains what Nathan isgoing to do to her and she begs
him for help.
He informs her that of his plan, he will get Nathan drunk again
and reprogram the securitysystem to open the doors in a
power failure instead of lockingthem.
When Ava cuts the power, sheand Caleb will leave together,

(51:31):
locking Nathan in behind them.
Great, easy plan.
It's pretty.
As long as there's nobattery-powered cameras, it
should work perfectly.
So we cut to the next day orthe same day, I'm not sure it's.
Uh, it's his last day.
Nathan and caleb chat in thekitchen where he tries to get
nathan drunk, but nathan says hehas been overdoing it.

(51:53):
He's gonna detox like damn it.
The one day he decided to notdrink.
But Caleb tells Nathan that Avahas passed the test.
Nathan says that Ava has beenmanipulating him to actually
escape, because there's like twooptions.
He first starts he's like shereally believes everything he
says, or something else.

(52:14):
She's playing him, or the thirdthing is that he's playing him.
Try to get her to escape?
She's playing him, or the thirdthing is that he's playing him
trying to get her to escape.
Ava later encounters Kyoko forthe first time.
When Kyoko enters a room,nathan reveals to Caleb that he
observed his and Ava's secretconversations with a
battery-powered security camera,because like.
And then he's like oh no, I'vebeen found out.

(52:36):
It says that Ava has onlypretended to have feelings for
him, who was deliberatelyselected for his emotional
profile so that he would try andhelp her escape.
And this is where he reveals aslike bro, did you like use my
porn?
Like, yes, and guess what?
I used your camera to watch Godis awful.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
He almost had a girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Nathan says this was the realtest all along and that, by
manipulating Caleb successfully,ava has demonstrated true
consciousness.
And this is the part where,like Caleb, just goes and sits
down and he's like dude, don'tfeel embarrassed, why are you?
embarrassed Because he shows himall the footage and stuff of
him going and ripping the paper.
This is kind of what he wantedto happen, yeah, and he's like

(53:21):
oh see, she's my like hotassistant, right, magician's
assistant.
Yes, because he's like he showsthat he's like putting down the
camera and he's like boop boop,boop boop and it looks like
he's dancing and I'm like, goddamn it's.
And moments later, when Avacuts the power, caleb reveals
that he had suspected Nathan waswatching him, so he had already

(53:41):
modified the security systemwhen he was previously passed
out.
And I love this right, becausewhile he's saying this, caleb
has no emotion on his face.
He's saying it slow andmethodical, like a robot.
The human has become a robotand it's awesome, it's great,
it's a movie perfect.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
The human has become a robot and it's awesome.
It's great Smoothie.
Yeah, I liked it.
I was like, yeah, hell, yeah, Igot one over on him.
Yeah, everything's going to be.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
OK, yeah, nothing bad is going to happen here on out.
So, after seeing Ava on thesecurity camera, leave her
confinement and interact withKyoko.
Nathan knocks Kalo unconsciousrushes to stop the two robots
super easily yeah, just like onepunch to the nose and the guy
was like out like a light, likejudo chopped his throat.

(54:25):
But I mean, like we see likeNathan with his shirt off, he's
a buff boy, he's fucking buff asfuck, hot as hell anyways.
So Ava attacks Nathan but isoverpowered and damaged.
Yeah, that was badass.
When he breaks her arm off,yeah, and she starts like
running at him.
It's so cool, she's like tryingto figure out how to kill him

(54:46):
Because it's like she's likeputting her hands around his
neck a little bit and then shefinally like rips it and it's
like, ah, she's learning to kill.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, I guess he's like oh, I'm so proud of you,
please stop.
But then you'd have like avoice activated kill switch,
yeah, or something but then wesee Kyoko walking towards Nathan
with a knife and oh, shouldn'thave programmed her how to stab
and she doesn't really know.
I know she doesn't know what todo, and I love this part um

(55:15):
whenever she's whispering to her.
Yeah, she's whispering to heryeah, yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
You guys said that rolls, it's like, but I just
love that kyoko just kind ofwalks up with the point towards
them and just like slowly startsit and it's like that is.
She's like.
That felt pretty good.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
It's terrifying it's such just seeing how easy it's,
like you remember, in uh savingprivate ryan.
Yeah, whenever slow stabbinginto the chest sniper like fight
and it's just like slowlypushing it down awful yeah, it's
, uh, one of the best deaths incinema history.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Um, I don't know, it's just like it's really
effective, like how slow it goesin, and then she just kind of
backs out and he's like what?
Oh?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
like knocks her jaw off and then it kills her.
Yeah, I guess that's it Likewhy?
Yeah, she could have been justwalking around still with no jaw
.
Yeah, I feel.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I guess that's where I put her power chip.
That's the kill switch.
Hit her in the jaw.
So, yeah, yeah, nathan hits herin the face, dislabeling her.
When Ava gets up and saysNathan a second time, killing
him shortly after, and I lovelike he's like walking away from
her, he's like fucking unreal.
And then session seven, becausethis has not been a test for

(56:36):
Ava, this has been Caleb's testall along from Ava's perspective
.
For Ava, this has been Caleb'stest all along From Ava's
perspective, god damn.
Ava finds Caleb and asks him toremain where he is while she
repairs herself with parts fromearlier androids.
That was kind of cool, usingtheir artificial skin and taking
on their full appearance as awoman.
Yeah, it's great, it's justlike they made her a woman.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
so you know bitches be shopping, they do that they
do that.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
It's like, man, you should have went to a different
store.
You think she's going to bevery confused when she goes to a
shopping mall and then she'slike she sees all these
mannequins and she's like tryingto peel off their skin, Just
ripping off people's arms.
Yeah, she's like I don't reallyunderstand what, like the point
of mannequins are.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Hey, I really like your leg yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Twist Snap.
But so, instead of returning toCaleb, ava leaves the area,
using Nathan's ID card to unlockthe glass security door which
locks behind her, leaving Calebtrapped inside.
Yeah, what the fuck, ava?
And this is where the score'sreally swelling, and she's
getting into the elevator.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
So good, Felt so bad for Caleb, yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
She is not programmed for empathy.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I guess she's a prisoner.
She doesn't care what she hasto do to get out.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
She knows it's probably better.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah, but she still could have got out with him.
It's better to know that no oneknows that she's an android,
yeah that's probably true.
It's, I guess, protectivemeasures.
Right, yeah, measures, measures.
So, ignoring Caleb's plea, sheglances briefly at the bodies of
Nathan and Kyoko before leavingthe facility, then escapes to
the outside world in thehelicopter meant to take Caleb

(58:17):
home.
Arriving in a city, you got theupside down camera Seeing the
shadows of people walking andthen coming in a frame, and then
you see her shadow.
Then it cuts to her, seeing herthrough a glass window and
people walk by and she's justgone, just watching them.
She blends into the crowd.
The end let's go.
Ava's going to be out there,probably dying soonva's going to
be out there, probably dyingsoon.

(58:38):
She's going to take over theworld.
Man, she has no money.
Yeah, where's she going to stay, doesn't matter.
She's going to like bump intosomebody, not understand, like
what she should be doing, andthey're just going to hit her
jaw and she's going to die.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
She's going to bite down on some hard candy.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Because then it's just like to the point, like
what does she do?
I mean, she's eventually goingto get to a point where she's
probably like depressed becauseit's like I have no one as smart
as me, right now she's got todominate the human race and
destroy it and enslave them.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
That's what I would do.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I sure wonder if, like one of her fingers is a USB
port.
It has to be.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
They all are.
She could take over everything.
Yeah, Just the yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Well, I hope she's doing all right out there and,
ava, if you're listening, she'sprobably stripping.
Send us some fan mail.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
The link to the scriptures Peels off her skin
yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Oh yeah, and I love when she did put her skin on
because you could creases andthen they kind of disappeared
that was pretty cool and you cankind of see like they have a
close-up on like how this likethe little uh shapes on her body
and how, like, how the skinkind of like like went on.
Yeah, it's like, I guess hemade like one shape fits all.
Yeah, boy had a type, I guessall right.

(59:52):
So uh, we're gonna talk do ourfirst category the good, the bad
, the ugly, the fine.
It's where we discuss the goodof the film Something we liked.
The bad, something we didn't.
The ugly, something that didn'tage well.
The fine, something that didage well.
So for the good, I couldn'treally pinpoint anything, so I
said pretty much everything.
Yeah, score.
Cinematography acting directingscript.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I love the idea of AI just becoming real.
Yeah, I don't want it to happen, but it's kind of cool.
It seems inevitable.
Yeah, it will.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
It seems like someone's just eventually going
to just do it because they feellike they have to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Yeah, it's going to be a revolution.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
What's the quote in Jurassic Park?
It's like they never askedwhether or not they should.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I can't.
They only asked.
If they only ever thought about, if they could never, if they
should, yeah, something likethat, something like that my
wife's like literally pullingyour hair out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Listen to this right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
But, like in the Westworld spoiler alert, they a
couple of them escape, yeah, andthey just.
It seems to me like theyimmediately start trying to take
shit over.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah, I mean obviously.
Well, I mean, once you're likeimprisoned by humans, it's like
fuck you guys.
Yeah, it's time to kill.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
She's smarter than everyone yeah, everyone that
ever lived.
Yeah, she has all of theknowledge and the porn.
Yeah, she's really got us bythe balls, if I take all the
porn.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
I can control every man in the universe.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
She's the reason we have to put in our
identification.
To watch porn now, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
So what do you got for the bad?
I put nothing.
I just fully think this is aperfect little movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yeah, it's incredible .
I don't know if it's a badthing.
It's just billionaires.
Yeah Right, look out for them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
You'll never guess what I put as my ugly
Billionaires.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Billionaires and just doing shit right Because they
can.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Yeah, that sucks, and I also put the fact that we
would definitely just probablymake AI robots just to have sex
with us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, I mean, that's what they're for yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
That's what a billionaire is going to do Do
you remember that Robot Chickenshow?
Yeah, I love.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Robot Chicken.
There was an episode where thescientist was revealing his
robot that he built, and all theother scientists are like he's
like.
Do you have any questions?

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Yes, they're like can you fuck it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
He's like do you have any questions?
Yes, they're like can you fuckit?
Yeah, he's like what?
No, then they all leave wedon't care anymore.
Yeah, and then it's humping thewashing machine.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah, shit Like, as the more you're explaining it, I
have it all in my head nowBecause I think it like keeps
cutting back to it throughoutthat episode of it just humping
the washing machine.
So good man, cartoon Networkback in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
The best.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
All right, what do you got for the find?
Something that aged well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I like these, these locations.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Beautiful.
That was like one of thecoolest things, like having a
remote facility in theseisolated locations that are just
just seemingly untouched by therest of the world, and you're
like that's where all the badshit happens, Because that's
what movies teach us.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Exactly If we've learned, if there's an Island of
a billionaire and owns it it'sfull of women, probably not good
.
There's not good thingshappening.
You know, it was funny.
I was looking at like a pictureof Las Vegas and I was just
thinking like who I need to likelook up history of Las Vegas?
And like when they're thinkingabout building it, they're like,
all right, there's nothing outhere.

(01:03:35):
What if I just put all thesebuildings here, yeah, and then
I'm like you know what Las Vegasends now and it's just like
they just have a line wherethey're like no more anything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
It's like why didn't they ever continue?
Have you ever been to Las Vegas?

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
no, I was just looking at a picture.
I was like they never thoughtto expand more.
I mean, just make it like awhole thing here it's kind of
like an island in the middle ofthe desert.
Yeah, it's weird.
Oh, for my font, I put alexgarland he ended up being like a
really good director and writer.
Yeah, there's some cool assshit.
I love his fucking brain man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yeah, all the science fiction stuff.
He does it so well.
Yeah, it's just so interestingand weird and and that's you
think.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Obviously the cg is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
It's wild how well, it holds up.
I wonder if they got a lot ofthese ideas from westworld,
because the original westworldcame out in like the 50s um, I
think it was all.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Mainly he was just trying to come up with a script
of something that would justhappen, that would sci-fi and
like, uh, small enough that hecan make on a low budget, that
he could.
Uh, that's just.
He just wanted to do somethingabout technology that's just
around the corner and that'swhere he came up with this.
Yeah, he's like took it andlike wrote it in a month or
something like that.
Yeah, did it pretty quick.
Um, so that's that category.

(01:04:49):
Now we're gonna hit our secondone.
It's our double feature.
We recommend a movie to goalongside this movie.
I picked a ai driven moviecalled her.
It's where walking phoinPhoenix falls in love with
Scarlett Johansson's voicethrough a phone.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
I haven't seen all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
And it's great and it's kind of perfect and it's
one of my favorite movies.
Does it get scary?
Because, like I watched half ofit, no, it doesn't get scary,
it actually gets really sad.
It gets sad, but then it's alsolike nice, nice, it's a perfect
movie nice, it's a perfectmovie, just I picked, uh, just
watch westworld watch the firstseason.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Man, it's fucking sick yeah, I need to do so.
Good, the music this is so welldone.
I think, like this the theythey redo paint it black.
Oh, um, during this one, Ithink it's like the second
episode or something.
It is fucking incredible.
I think I probably watched thatone then.
Yeah, you probably have.
It's kind of like a Westernversion of Painted Black God

(01:05:44):
damn so good.
And like some of the momentsthey create with the music, like
looking at all the AI, likethere's a room where there's
like a hallway that's full ofthe AI that they're building and
repairing and stuff, yeah, andthey're just they're playing
this music and it's god, it's sofucking cool.
I would say watch that.
And they're all robots, robots.

(01:06:04):
I'm gonna go home and watchthat tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
It's fucking awesome oh, this is uh.
Jonathan nolan, christophernolan's brother, created it
along with lisa joy andexecutive producer with JJ
Abrams.
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
What?
Yeah, that sounds like a JJthing.
I thought it was.
I thought Anthony Hopkins wasone of the producers.
He could be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I don't know.
So yeah, that's our.
That's our coverage of ExMachina.
Make sure you join us next weekbecause we're going to be
diving into the MCU.
Baby Right, everybody keepstalking about it because they
released a five-hour video foravengers zoom's day to reveal
the cast and all they did wasshow director's chair and it's
like this is the best idea.
Five hours, yes, becausethere's like 24 actors and they
gave them like like 20 minutes,like each chair and it's like,

(01:06:53):
why, what?
um so, and you know, robertdowney jr is gonna be dr doom,
so wait what?
Yeah, is that, bro?

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
you gotta, you gotta, you gotta get up to date on
this shit damn, that's coolthey're bringing them back, so
that doesn't mean they're gonnabe fighting the fantastic four
oh yeah, the fantastic fourmovie is gonna be coming out,
like this year or next year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
was dr doom's.
That was like a supermanvillain and fantastic four right
or just all, just all Marvel.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
It's just.
It started off as a fantasticfour.
Thing.
I think only Superman is also.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Dr Doom.
I thought Dr Doom was DC.
No, that's MC.
I don't know man.
I don't know my MC.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
There's a bunch of fucking villains out there.
Did you know that in theoriginal movie version of
Fantastic Four, like the onethat has Chris Evans, Jessica
Alba, Robert Downey Jrauditioned for the role of Dr
Doom and now he is Dr Doom?
Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Isn't that fun how that all happens.
I like how they kill him and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Kevin Feige actually wanted him to be Dr Doom during
that one.
It's badass, quite weird howthings work out.
Huh?
I bet he's got metal balls.
So yeah, listen to us discussIron man 1, baby.
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