Face/Off

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello and welcome to the we Recommend podcast, a
movie podcast where every weekwe recommend a movie for you to
watch and then come back hereand listen to us discuss.
I'm Jesse and I'm Jason.
You know I could eat a peachfor hours, because this week we
recommend Face off Hell.

(00:32):
Yeah, brother, do you want toknow a movie I used to watch all
the time as a child?
Was it Face?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Off.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Face Off Dude.
This movie goes hard and it'sthe most ridiculous thing in the
world.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
It was like back in the.
What year was this made?
I think it was 97.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, where all barrels were explosive.
Every vehicle is primed toexplode, yep.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Birds fucking just everywhere.
It's great.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
It's so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
So this was directed by.
What's his name?
John Woo, and so that's histrademark.
Thing is like great action.
He's a what was it?
Hong Kong, I believe director,something like that, and so his
trademarks are like doves, oh,and people firing guns in both
hands, both hands and runningand sliding and shooting Right

(01:29):
and you know what it fuckingworks.
It's always so cool Debriseverywhere.
It's just like watching him,just like God dang it.
This is so good.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, you definitely have to turn your brain off.
Yeah, it's like junk food food.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, it's so good and another thing so bad for you
that I love is like while justwatching this movie, there's
just a lot of times I'm likelike, uh, what?
Yes, what did what was justsaid?
What did I just see with myeyes, metal boots, what, yeah?
So john woe, he's made like abunch of like film, like foreign
films, and then then he finallygot to make movies.

(02:09):
He got popular enough that hemade like Hard Target with Rob
Van Damme or Jean-Claude VanDamme I haven't seen that one
and then he got like this movieand it's like hell yeah.
But then he also made the worstMission Impossible movie,
mission Impossible 2.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh okay, but it's still a very I didn't know it
was considered the worst one,yeah, but it's still good I
don't remember.
I remember watching the firstone, tons.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Honestly, that movie would be better if Tom Cruise
wasn't the star Nice, becausethen it could have just been a
normal.
Because it's like also thefirst time he was like I'm sexy,
tom Cruise, and it's likeyou'll never be sexy, tom Cruise
, popping his collar so hard,cause it's impossible to be sexy
for you, tom Cruise, or atleast it's this.
I can't find him as a sexyperson Weird.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
No, he kind of sucks.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
So um what do?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
you do?
You did you ever see hisTikToks when he started making
them?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Tom Cruise made TikToks.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, when I first when I first got onto the app he
was it was just him playing hisguitar and talking and he's not
good.
Yeah, he has to be told.
He's not good at being a human.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, he's really not everything about him.
His entire life has just beenchoreographed either by movies
scientology or scientology, it'slike.
So I would love to just be like.
You know the episode.
I don't know how much of thefriends you watch.
There's one point whereChandler is stuck in like an uh,
like a bank ATM room and likethe all the power went out and

(03:32):
for whatever reason, the door'slocked and he's stuck in there
with this like attractive girl,he's like struggling to talk.
I want that scenario, but meand Tom Cruise and I'd be like
You're like cool, let's see whatnormal human Tom Cruise is like
.
That would be interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
That would be Just hey, me and you, tom, we're just
going to be humans together.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, so we have to discuss first John Travolta and
Nick Cage.
Right?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Two of our.
Is this peak insanity for bothof them?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Worst actors slash best actors Because I mean, I
feel like everybody kind ofloves both of them, but also
there's so much weirdness withthem that it's just like are we
sure we like them?
Nick Cage has always been.
He's just kind of like a goodguy.
It seems that he had like aproblem with spending all of his
money and now having to doevery movie ever because he

(04:23):
bought a castle in anothercountry and he's constantly
having tax debt.
That's awesome.
That's why he's in every badmovie.
He bought that haunted house inLouisiana.
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
He's a freak and a love one.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
John Travolta, a freak in a completely different
way, less cool way, but he wentthe Scientology route.
Yeah, that sucks for him.
Which is funny that we talkedabout Tom.
Cruise no, not really Completelyruined.
Yeah, I guess People think thatwith the, because he doesn't
really talk about Scientology,not like Tom Cruise was and like

(04:55):
now he seems like to try toseparate himself from
Scientology.
But people think he can't getout of the church because people
always kind of think that he'ssecretly gay and he doesn't want
that to come out Because theyknow all his secrets.
Yeah, because you know the.
They make you tell yeah,whatever you call that.
Again, leverage, yeah, whatever, whether it is that he puts
hold something and talks foreight hours and they record it

(05:17):
all.
Yes, which is an insane thing.
But now I'm like well, likewell, john Travolta, if you're
gay, it's like okay now, likeHollywood's cool with it back in
the day.
Maybe not so much, but yeah,it's not like it's gonna ruin
your career, man, yeah, yeahmaybe, like in the 80s and 90s,
it could have, but now it's like, hey, man, that'd be awesome.

(05:37):
Yeah, it's totally chill, likewe're all.
One of my favorite performancesof you hairspray where you
dressed up like a girl.
That was sweet.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, that was awesome when he was the mom.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, it was great so now that we're on to them, uh,
do you, do you generally likethem as actors?
Uh, I mean johnson vulture isgreat in pulp fiction and movies
like that, of course yeah, yeah, um, nick cage has never been
great, but it's always fun towatch him.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's kind of like watching the Mask, even though
it's like a bad movie.
You just like seeing the rubberface, yeah, you know like that
kind of thing, and his eyebrowsare just out of control.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, but man, like, when Nick Cage decides to like,
be good he can like be reallygood yeah.
Like to like be good he cansometimes.
He really is really good.
Like you should watch the pig.
It's like a great movie withhim seeing.
That is this, where he has likea pig that hunts for truffles
nice and it gets stolen and hiswhole thing is I gotta find this
pig.
Oh, I should have called ittruffle trouble damn it, jason,

(06:41):
get you in a goddamn studioright now.
You need to be a studio execDirector.
Comes in, I have a title forthis.
It's called the Pig, like hmmWell, let's, you're just in the
dark in the corner, just liketruffle.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's like that's why we hired him.
That's why we hired him.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I do think we do need to start like that's what,
that's what's so great aboutthis movie.
It's called Face Off.
It's such a great title and Ilove movies where I just we need
to get more basic and dumbtitles, like I have an idea for
a movie where aliens invade anisland.
I think it should be calledAlien Island.
I have a a movie about vampiresthat whenever they bite you,

(07:28):
you kind of become.
You talk like Woody Allen.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I want to call it.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
The Nebbish Vampire, the Nebbish.
I have great ideas for moviesand they all have stupid titles
and I think it's the best.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Oh, that is great, Especially like for B-movies.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, It'd just be spot on, but these would be like
dramatic Oscar winning moviesyeah.
I'd be even more hilarious.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
They just feel really embarrassed that they have to
give you the Oscar Wow.
The Alien Island has beennominated for 30 Oscars.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I can't believe I have to say this, but Clean
sweep at the Oscars for NebbishVampire, all right, so keep
getting off track.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Wait, was Clean Sleep .
The one about the serial killervacuum salesman yeah, exactly
Nice.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
That's why we hired you.
God damn it, jason.
You did it again.
So what do you think of theirperformances in this movie?
Bad, yeah, I think it's alsogreat.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, I mean to me it's Nick Cage that is kind of
his most insane maybe, or isthat the you should watch
Vampire's Kiss.
I haven't seen that.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
That's where he just does the entire alphabet and
like A, B, C, D, or he's likediscounting, I can't remember.
Well, okay.
So yes, their performances arekind of crazy and over the top,
but I think they both do a greatjob at switching into each
other.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, I kind of liked it better when they did that,
Although if Nick Cage would havejust stayed Caster Troy and
then Sean Archer would have alsobeen Caster Troy, that would
have been that would have been.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
they were both disattained, but so I guess they
spent like a month or a coupleof weeks together, just like
figuring out what mannerismsthey wanted to use so that when
they switch, they could, like,do their mannerisms right Gotcha
, so they would be able toimitate each other, I think that
.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
But then you've got Castor Troy or Sean Archer as
Castor Troy, trying to behimself.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, you have Sean Archer trying to be, or as
Castor Troy trying to figure outhow to be, castro Troy.
Yes, and that's why this movierules.
It's layers, baby.
Did they change bodies too?
No, just face off, Jason, faceoff.

(10:03):
They made it.
They put body hair on them andput hairline shit on them, but
you know what?
Just chef's kiss, chef's kiss.
Okay, so we agree.
Performance is great.
Yes, 100%.

(10:23):
Do you think the action is overthe top, or is it?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
yeah, but that's what it's kind of expected.
Perfect for the movie, though.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Right yeah, it's like when you got a crazy idea.
I feel like if the action wasjust like pretty mild and like
more realistic, it'd be likewhat are you doing here, dude?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
yeah, it has to be over the top.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
There's face offs, face-offs oh shit, face off,
face off no drugs for this manum, yeah, I think, uh, man, the
action sells the premise right.
It's just like yeah, okay,anything goes, yeah, let's do it
.
Boat fight, yep, yeah, um, dowe?

(11:02):
Do we kind of not have enoughmovies like this?
Now, I think we did them all inthe 90s.
Like where is this movie right?
Like why do we not have moremovies like this?
Let's get rid of the realism.
Like let's just get wild.
Let's just get wild.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Let's just get wild.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, there's got to be more ideas like this out
there.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, that's why we don't make them anymore, damn it
.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I hate the world we live in now, all right, so, um,
one of the original things thatthey wanted to do was they had
different characters that theywanted to play in this movie, so
it was originally written forSylvester Sloan and Arnold.
Uh, no, yeah, would have beeninsane, especially since

(11:52):
Arnold's like six inches tallerthan Sylvester.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Sylvester's like five ten, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
So here's what I want you to do Recast the movie.
Give me two actors you'd liketo see in this role.
I should have thought I shouldhave messaged you to do this,
but I didn't.
I didn't even think about it.
I wanted to kind of be fresh.
Brad Pitt and Danny Trejo man,that would mean Brad Pitt's

(12:20):
doing a Mexican exit.
I would love to see Brad Pittsay Pendejo like a hundred times
, or something like that Maybesay I would love to see.
Brad Pitt say you're either aMexican or a Mexicant.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
That would be great man.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Who would I?
I think I would definitely.
I'd want to see someone tryingto be Keanu Reeves, oh wow.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I'm just not sure who it should be.
Tom Cruise, I bet he'd make agood one god, that'd be insane,
that'd be wild.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
I mean, cause they have to be.
Oh man, tom Cruise.
Tom Cruise is too short, can'tbe in any of these movies.
Well, oh, keanu Reeves andSylvester Stallone.
Oh man bro, I don't know Keanu.
Reeves would have to get bigger.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
But to see.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Keanu Reeves, try to do Sylvester Stallone and
Sylvester Stallone, try to doKeanu Reeves.
I am the FBI agent.
Oh God, I don't even know howto do Keanu Reeves.
Oh God, I don't even know howto do Keanu Reeves.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Adrian, we did it.
That'd be pretty wild.
Oh, my brain hurts fromthinking about it, or even just
like if we just did the OnceUpon a Time in Hollywood and
just did Brad Pitt and LeonardoDiCaprio.
That'd be fun.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, I can see that, but they're I don't know.
I think why it works with thesetwo is because they're so
incredibly different as far asbut also the same, I guess, in
terms of wackiness yeah.
They both got very distinctface.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Ooh, we can make it really fun and do a Denzel
Washington and his son.
Just be like, okay, well, thisis pretty easy, be your dad,
yeah, be your dad, okay.
Ooh, like Denzel and like WillSmith.
Switch, hell, fucking yeah,that'd be fun.
Oh man, I can see that, justbecause I mean they're both so
charismatic and I'd love to seethem both do each other.

(14:25):
That's it, that's the one Iwant to do.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I want like 2000s Denzel and 2000s Will Smith
together Trying to see Will pulloff a Denzel smile.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I don't know, or maybe like a young Shit.
What's his name?
No country film Tommy.
No country film Tommy Lee Jones.
Yes, Like a young Tommy LeeJones and like Harrison Ford the
fugitive, but now they takefaces off Hell.
Yeah, that would be a cool one.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
We need more body switching, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
So this movie script was bought twice Because it was
so good.
Well, like so.
Warner Brothers bought it in 91and then the project got
shelved and then it was up.
Good, well, like so.
Warner Brothers bought it in 91, and then the project got
shelved and then it was up forbecause they thought it was too
much like Demolition man.
And it's like what it's not,it's a completely different idea
.
But then in 1994, the rightshad expired and Paramount got it

(15:17):
, which is thank God.
And there was an issue.
So John Woo wanted the slashfor face off, you know, splash
or dash or whatever and thestudios didn't.
And he's like well, if weassist face off, people are
going to think it's a hockeymovie, and so he's like he was
able to get the slash.
And I guess Johnny Depp wasdisappointed because it wasn't a

(15:40):
sports movie because he thoughtit was going to be a sports
movie.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Is that why he?

Speaker 1 (15:43):
didn't audition.
Yeah so it.
It was going to be a sportsmovie.
Is that why he didn't audition?
Yeah, so it was originallygoing to be straight sci-fi, not
like you know.
Cops just like realistic.
Cops like realistic cops.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, it was so realistic.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
But it was just going to be full future and
everything.
But then they were like no, Idon't want to do that, because
John Woo thought he couldn'tpull it off.
Okay, I can see that, but I'mglad it wasn't, because all the
sci-fi stuff just really, reallymakes it crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, like the prison .
What are we doing here, guys?
Let's give the inmates metalboots, yeah, so they can stomp
each other's faces.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
So I want to did those metal boots.
Did those look familiar at all?
I don't recall.
Yeah, so did you ever watch theSuper Mario Brother movie?
No way.
Yeah, the Magnet's boots thatkeep Nicolas Cage stuck to the
prison floor were used a fewyears earlier by Bob Hoskins and
John Leguizamo to hop around inthe Mario Brother movie I

(16:41):
remember those boots, yeah, andI got a picture of them To hop
around.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
In the Mario Brother movie.
Hell yeah, I remember thoseboots yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
And I got a picture of them Not the same, no,
they're the same and it's crazy.
So there also was going to be adifferent ending.
So Were they kissed.
So there was going to be a darkending featuring Archer looking
at himself in the mirror andseeing Castro-Troy's reflections
and the wife was going to seeCastro-Troy's reflection at the

(17:10):
same time I feel like she kindof liked him better.
Yeah and damn Nick Cage.
Who's hotter, nick Cage or JohnTravolta?
You have to pick one.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I think John Travolta's more attractive.
I like the psychoness of NickCage.
I do like his psychoness.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
You need to watch Moonstruck Shit.
Should we do Moonstruck nextinstead?
I don't know.
I have no idea what that is.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh, it's these trade faces with the moon.
It's so fucking good dude, it'swild.
It's got.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Cher in it.
Cher and Nick Cage are aromantic couple and and it's the
most batshit crazy thing ever.
So Nick Cage got too lost intothe character.
So the part during the prisonfight scene where Archer begins
shouting I'm Casher, troy.
Like a madman, nick Cage says Igot scared.

(17:59):
He said am I acting or is thisreal I can see, if I look at the
movie, that one moment it's inmy eyes that I.
It's like he goes this insanebecause he can't tell who he is
anymore.
Shut up, that's what he.
That's a quote for him, oh no.
Nick Cage.
He conquered his fear ofheights by whenever he does the
200 foot drop into the waterwhen he's escaping the prison.

(18:21):
That was actually him doing it.
That's cool, yeah, and he waslike it was one of the most
frightening moments of his life.
I would have done that.
Yeah, that sounds fun.
Last one, just to make it evenmore crazy.
So you know Gina Gershon, who'sthe Castro?
Troyes, she's the mother Sasha.
Yeah.
So Nick Cassavetes, which isthe guy she kisses at the end or

(18:47):
like before he dies, the baldguy.
Yes, so Gina Gershon and NickCassavetes made their characters
incestuous, yeah, incestuous.
So John Woo gave his performersa lot of space to create their
characters, which includedallowing Gershon and Cassavetes
to explore their idea of givingtheir sibling characters a
weirdly incestuous vibe, also intheir backstory.

(19:09):
Apparently, the way that thatkid was conceived was a
threesome Yay, between the threeof them.
That's hot, yeah, so probably agood thing.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
That's how Triple X was made.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Dude, I can't wait till we get to the end of this
movie so we can talk about adamand just adam the kid, the kid.
Okay, bro, I think it's time toget into it, okay let's just
fucking go.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
What's the budget of this movie?
Did you find that out?
Oh, yeah, let me see it had tobe fucking wild $80 million.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I guess that's kind of a lot for 90s.
It's probably going to be like150, maybe I don't know.
I don't remember what thedollar was back then.
That's all I wanted to know.
All right, that's all you needto know.
Hey, jason, are you ready toface off?
Just so you know, every time Ido face, saying the word face

(20:06):
off, I'm he's doing the motion,doing the motion face off.
Not the face waterfall, theface off, because there is also
a face waterfall.
Yes, A lot of face, which Iguess is something that john woo
, I guess that might be like,and it's how you recognize the
lines of the or you memorizetheir face.
Well, I think it's likesomething john woo's culture or

(20:28):
something he did with his kidsI'm assuming there's like a
cultural reason that john woowanted it done covers his
fingers in peanut butter but itsmears it down his face.
It's like he comes out of thebathroom, the kid walks by,
wipes his face.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Dad, did you wash?

Speaker 1 (20:41):
your hands, no, son, no.
But, you should wash your facenow.
All right, face off.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
So the film opens with Sean Archer face water
falling his son on amerry-go-round.
I don't like that.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well damn, I'm watching the scene.
I was like, is he?
about to kiss that fucking kid.
So it's such a romantic scene.
So they obviously love eachother.
But Caster Troy is justchilling under a tree drinking a
soda with his big ass mustacheand he's like.
He shoots at Sean and he hitshim but the bullet goes straight

(21:21):
through him and hits his sonand he's dead and it's like damn
, no longer will he be able toface Waterfall Hillman in person
.
Only like 15 times through apicture in this movie.
Just have to do it to the bones.
Yeah, so it's six years later.
Sean is well-decorated cop onthe hunt for Caster who is
setting up a bomb.
Sean is stressed that the FBIhasn't had a break in the case.

(21:44):
He's like yelling at everybody.
He's like oh, talk to me whenyou get a fucking break in the
case.
And it's like Sean, fuckingchill bro.
So, and at an LA conventioncenter, castor finishes arming
the bomb, then acts crazy,dresses, appreciate, goes up to
these choir girls like singingand then just flirts with this
one and she's just like oh, Ilove it, Even though you look

(22:07):
insane and have a terriblehairline.
And then he's just like, justlike, squeezes her butt.
He's like, oh, hallelujahsqueezes her butt, and he's like
hallelujah and that was the daythat you know, cinema was truly
invented.
Whoa, we can do that.

(22:27):
We can do that to like girls.
I didn't know that, I thoughtit was so I'm just kidding.
But like we have to talk aboutthis a little bit because he's
going absolutely batshit insane.
Yes, he like walks in there,he's like all dancing, then he's
like spinning his circles.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Oh dude like he's always on drugs.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I was like taking, taking notes, pumping my fucking
fist.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Like, let's go Right your life kit.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Snakes like get his tails, like wagging.
He's going kind of crazybecause I'm just like pumped up
at 7 am in the morning doingnotes, oh you should dress him
up as Nick Cage for Halloween.
He doesn't have the guts.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
You could get a face and put it on his face.
Oh, you mean I could face offhim.
Yeah, well, face on, becauseyou don't want to take his face
off.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, I don't want to be a furry.
So the FBI receives informationthat Castor's brother, pollux,
has chartered a plane at LAXairport.
Then, like we see, castor goesup to his brother it's great
Like some guy like takes off hisjacket, he hands him like a box
and it's got like two gold gunsit's fucking magnificent, those

(23:42):
45s, yeah.
And then he gets on a plane.
You got the just like insanething where the stewardess or
whatever is like he's like then,like he's like I bet you sit on
my lap and they kiss and shestraight up sucks the tongue.
Yeah, just in front of thebrother.
It's gross.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
So much weird stuff, but I mean at the same time he's
also having sex with brotherand sister yeah, you know at
least no holds bar.
You know what?
Life as a criminal looks reallyfun like an international
criminal.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I mean, when you just get to do whatever you want,
it's pretty great.
I guess, like less killing,you'd be a pretty crazy guy to
hang out with.
Yeah, it looks like they're agood hang, yeah.
And so Sean knows that Polluxwill not fly without Kastor, so
he leads a joint FBI-LAPD teamto chase the plane down, which
crashes into a hangar, whichcrashes into a hangar.

(24:35):
In the ensuing chase, pollux iscaptured by the FBI and Caster
is knocked into a coma afterbragging to Sean about a bomb
that would go off, neglecting tomention the location of the
bomb.
Great action sequence the planeshit, love planes exploding.
Apparently, they only had onetake of the thing and they had
like 13 cameras filming it,because they actually destroyed
a plane.
Nice, we used to make things inthis.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
We used to blow shit up.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, the slow motion , jumping and like sliding, it's
amazing.
I love it.
Just like the cat and mouse ofthe scene is great.
Sparks are everywhere.
Yeah, everything has sparks,all the like the jet engine just
like turning on.
It's just like an insane actionsequence and it's amazing.
It just looks fantastic.
Yeah, um, I I told my wife themovie that we're doing.

(25:27):
She's like why because it'samazing.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
My wife's like remember when you made me watch
this and you said it was good, Iwas like no, I don't remember
that you should be like, yeah,and you should watch it again,
because it's still good no, Iget it.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
It's a dumb movie.
It's just like it's a turn yourbrain off.
Fun movie to watch so Sean goeshome where he learns his
daughter is suspended.
She's very dramatic and all ofa sudden I'm edgy and coughing.
Now.
Nose piercing.
My lips are dark lipstick onthem is suspended.
She's very dramatic and all ofa sudden I'm edgy and gothing.
Now, oh, I have nose piercings.
My lips are dark lipstick onthem.
I have weird hair.

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He tells his wife that he caughtCastor and they embrace Sean
has been a shitty father andhusband since her son died and
he's like I'm out, god damn it,I'm out.
Sean's work colleaguescongratulate him on catching
Caster, but the agent rebuffsthe praise he has given and says
the deaths of the FBI agents isnothing to celebrate about, and

(26:27):
I kind of like that.
Usually, you know, in movieslike this they don't do this and
I feel like this is what a fourlike a Do, what the like.
Usually it's like oh, it's thebeginning of the movie.
You want your like action starto be happy that they caught the
bad guy and then it's all gonnago bad.
But I like that he was likestill depressed the fact that,
like too many people died, dude,like this is not a thing to

(26:48):
celebrate.
And then there's the bomb.
Yeah, that's still out there.
Yeah, that's true, but it'sjust like fun that it's a little
realistic, that it's just likeI don't know how many people
would be celebrating after likeI don't know 20 people just died
in this huge action scene.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, I feel like he would be a little bit happy that
you know he got the guy thatkilled his son.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, I just feel like that's almost kind of like
maybe something a foreigndirector would do.
Just be like an American actiondirector would be like, yeah,
we fucking did it.
American action director wouldbe like, yeah, we fucking did it
.
And like a different directorfrom a different country is like
we should.
We should think about the oneswe lost.
So Sean then finds out Castorwas not joking about the bomb,

(27:26):
after discovering a tape thatwas recovered in a jet in the
jet crash, in Pollux's briefcase, which contains information
about the bomb Everything butthe location.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
They just did a vlog.
Yeah, hey guys what's up here?

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Just set a bomb by the bomb, Everything but the
location they just did a vlogyeah.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Left it in a briefcase.
Hey guys, what's up here?
Just set a bomb.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
by the way, once we get to 200 likes, I'll set it
off.
Hell yeah man.
So, after a number ofinterrogations, sean discovers
the date but not the location ofthe bomb itself.
We see he talks to Sasha Pollux, all of them Knowing that
Pollux is the only person whocan reveal the location and that

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Castro is the only one whoshould be informed.
Sean is presented by hiscolleagues a secret mission that
he will undergo an experimentalsurgical procedure to
temporarily graft Castro's faceonto his skull, infiltrate the
prison where Pollux is beingheld and get the location of the
bomb, which is the only way todo so.
Um, like what?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I don't know.
The idea is so wild.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
This is the only way, bro.
This is the 90s.
You take Pollux into a room,you turn all cameras off and you
do what Sicario does in thatmovie you posture the hell out
of him and then you waterboardhim or something.
Yeah, it's easy, which, youknow, maybe this is the most

(28:48):
humane way to do it, but it'snot like you sent him to a
humane prison.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, well, think about Black Knight.
He beat the shit out of theJoker.
He's like with all yourstrength, strength, you know
you'll never figure it out.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Fuck dude we gotta do the dark knight, god damn dude.
Like just I thought about thatscene and I got a little like
you know what it reminds me ofthe face surgery.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
It reminds me of team america world police.
Whenever he gets a face surgery, it's the gluteal patches of
hair on his face probablydefinitely inspired by this but
it was super cool scene though.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I mean the cutting of the face, the plastic mask that
they put on it and then put hisface in like a water thing it's
so uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
You'd think they'd have to do a lot more like
shaving bone down.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, they put the plastic there's plastic under
his face to give him like thebuild of his face.
That's why he's like it's itchyGotcha.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I just thought that was from the scars healing, yeah
.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I will say the surgery like watching the
surgery part is veryuncomfortable, and I think
that's an element that makes thescene kind of great, as
ridiculous as it is yeah, yeah,all the bloodiness underneath
the skin.
And also man.
Like we should show more faceoff in movies.
It's kind of cool, Like I love,when Caster was just walking
around smoking a cigarette withno face.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, that was badass , it's super sick.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
It's such a boy's movie Cigarettes are so cool,
like the most boy movie I'veever recommended for the pod.
So his colleagues asked if hewants to do it.
He won't be able to tell anyoneand after some thinking he says
he will do it.
He heads home to tell his wifethat he is going on a sick
assignment.
God damn it.
When I thought I was out theypulled me right back in.

(30:37):
She's super upset, does someface waterfalls and talks about
the little scar when he got shotby Caster Troy.
He's like you can't forgetabout this guy.
So it's time for the surgery.
They cut his face, they vacuumit up, put it in water, then

(30:58):
cuts Castro's face and puts iton Sean.
It's fucking rad.
What if they pulled it offreally hard like, oh dang it, we
sucked it completely down in avacuum.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Put it on.
It's all fucking crazy yeah.
So, and if there's a plasticbarrier between the muscles of
your face and the skin of yourface, are you going to be able
to make facial expressions?
Does it matter?
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I think we should really dive into the realism of
this movie, jason, because ithurts too much yeah.
Something I love is when theyare doing the surgery.
It's like obvious fake bodiesthat they're using.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
It's great, and that super high-tech computer they're
using.
It's great and that superhigh-tech computer they're using
90s technology, baby Love it.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
So after surgery, sean, with the face of Caster,
freaks out.
It's like looking at the mirror, like it's like when a dog
looks in the mirror, like it'slike, oh, and then it's like
once this is over, I want you totake this face off and burn it.
Oh, no, Face off.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
They're just not going to give it back.
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
No, I mean fuck Castor Troy.
They want him to be dead.
But yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
It's a bad guy, but why keep him?

Speaker 1 (32:10):
alive, just in case he woke up and can find the bomb
Because of face off.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Okay.
Okay, I'm sorry, I just neededto flip the switch.
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Just in case John Travolta or Sean wants to face
Waterfall Hill, remember.
So arrangements are made forSean, as caster, to be
incarcerated with Pollux inprison.
Then we go to the prison.
We got the big guy, the Zodiacguy, and the invitation.
Yeah, forgot his name, but whenyou see him, no good, very bad,
don't want him around, unlesshe's in Fargo One good time.

(32:47):
So he's in an heroin prisonwhere guards put magnet boots on
him.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, Cool, why not?
Yeah, you, yeah, cool, why not?
Yeah, you know what?
Pretty tight.
Now, if they could like walk upwalls and stuff, that'd be cool
, dude.
I mean, where's that movie?
What can?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
you the amount of strength you would have to have
in like your calves and ankles,oh your abs, to just like walk
up and just like keep your bodystraight.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I don't think it's for this movie.
Yeah, like.
Obviously someone like theyshould have just kept him as
Mario Boots.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah right, let him jump around like crazy Wish for,
like Bob Hoskins and John Legaz, legaz, legaz I can't say his
last name, it's just not a wordI can say I wish they like
showed up in the prison like,hey, it's me, I'm Caster Troy.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Little.
I'm a caster, troy Little bombswalking around, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
So while walking into the lunch hall we got weird-ass
voice, thomas Jane meeting him.
He sees Pollux and then getsattacked.
He's getting beat up.
But then Sean decides to gofull caster.
He gets this weird smile.
Sean loves acting crazy for alittle bit and you can just kind
of see it, even though he'ssupposed to be a madman.

(33:56):
But I think he enjoys for alittle bit and you can just kind
of see it, even though he'ssupposed to be a madman.
But I think he enjoys it alittle bit.
And we learned that he sleptwith the guy that's attacking
them's wife while he's in prison.
Oh, nice that Castor did, not,sean.
So meanwhile Castorunexpectedly awakens, like a
horror movie, from his coma and,realizing what has happened

(34:18):
since, he has no face.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Is that an Oxford coma?

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, Oxford coma.
Who gives a fuck about anOxford coma, Realizing what
happened, since he has no faceand it's in a tub of water?
It's like just imagine wakingup.
Oh damn, I ain't got no face,oh look there's John Travolta's
face.
Oh, this is obviously aface-off moment.
Oh man, so he calls his men tokidnap the doctor named Walsh

(34:42):
who performed the surgery.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
So okay, I feel like we're about to have the same
conversation, Puts his face backon.
Maybe Did they just forget thatthey did this and then they put
Sean in prison.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
So no, they put Sean in prison thinking, and then
they're like, oh, we're going toleave his face in the face off
room.
Yeah, so we can put it back onlater.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
And you know, the same room as the prisoner.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
The same room as Castor Troy with no supervision.
That's exactly what I'm talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, the same room as Caster Troy, with no
supervision.
That's exactly what I'm talkingabout.
Maybe he has some securitywatching him, since he's just in
a coma and could wake up andhe's an insane person that
apparently can figure out.
Oh, this was obviously aface-off surgery, so we should
probably get the doctor thatfaced off me.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, hey, one guard.
How about handcuff him to a?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
bed.
How about put him in a straightjacket?
How about any sort of measureshere?
I don't know.
Put him in a bank vault wherehe can't get out?
Yeah, but how to like?
Okay, once he's, he also hascigarettes.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Who left the cigarettes?
Because they're smoking whilethey're doing surgery, obviously
.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
This is my favorite Because they do that all the
time.
That's my favorite doctor, drNick, dr Smoke.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
No, so like, but did I miss something?
Because he puts on Sean's face,becomes Sean, yeah, easy.
And then they're like oh,you're back already.
Yep, that was fast.
Yep, there's no, like they'renot going to check to see if the
prisoner is still in the roomor that the face that they
wanted to put back on you see,this is what Sean Archer was

(36:21):
trying to tell them at thebeginning of the movie.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
when they're like you guys are dumb, get cast your
Troy.
You guys should do better.
Obviously, he was so upset atthe beginning of the movie
because he's most with the mostincompetent people on the planet
and the most high profile, uh,federal bureau of investigation,
yeah, or whatever.
Holy shit, it's crazy it's greatit's wonderful yeah, uh,

(36:46):
actually I think what it is isthis before anybody realized
that caster's gone, he killedthem all because it's a secret
mission yeah, there's only likethree people that knew it the
doctor and two people, eventhough the doctor also had some
help, so he would have had tokill everybody involved, which
is probably at least 10 to 20people.
So Caster, who's now smokingwith no face, popping
painkillers with no face andwatching a video of the surgery

(37:07):
when the doctor arrives, thenforces Walt to grab.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Let's just leave these painkillers in here, in
case he wakes up and it hurts.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
I don't know man, I love it.
You know what?
No, no.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Just let that thought slide away, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
So he forces Walsh to graft Sean's face onto him.
Dope lack of face.
Love the faceless, the muscles.
And it doesn't fully show it andit's like really cool that they
do that.
It's like all in reflectionsand it works and it's creepy and
John Woo should have done ahorror movie at one point, yeah.
So Walsh is later murdered bybeing burned alive with
flammable liquid done byCastor's henchmen.
Cool Love to see people burnalive, so fun.

(37:43):
Pollux is suspect of Sean, buthe convinces him he is Castor
and he gives up the location.
It's the Los Angeles Convention.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Center.
I feel like Pollux knew it fromthe beginning.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
He you know you gotta give it to this guy he was, he
knew his brother at least Superintelligent guy, I think him and
his brother kissed.
At least once they did.
They have to.
No, I think it's just like theclassic, like Caster's, only
nice to one person and it'sPollux.
Yeah, he ties his shoe.
Gotta be like a highfunctioning maybe he's like

(38:13):
they're like mom died and likeprobably had abusive dad and it
turned caster insane into acriminal, but he always kept.
That's this is more like both ofthem died they lived on the
streets and he had to take careof his brother and he did any
means necessary and went insanefrom drug use.
It was boring and if you haveany ideas of what caster choice?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
back story is comes out of the womb grabbing some
fan mail.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
It's all in the description.
So Caster as Sean Also, theymimic each other's voices
because they got microchips intheir voice.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, the microchip.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty dope.
So Caster visits him in prison.
Oh my god, I love it becausethis is where you got John
Travolta as uh playing Caster,troy playing Nick Cage woo, wee,
you're good looking, bro.
You can't say he's a bad actorafter delivering that.
No, that's something JohnTravolta is, so I did enjoy that

(39:08):
.
Yeah, like uh, there'ssomething so lovable about John.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Travolta, sometimes like he's a squeaky toy.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, he's like ooo-wee, there's this, there's
something, there's like a,there's just like a real like
charm about him sometimes.
Yeah, sure, and it's like whenhe's excited, because it's the
same thing in like Pulp Fictionwhen he's kind of gets excited
informing him that he killedeveryone who knew about the
mission, including Sean's friendTito, who had their wedding

(39:38):
band, because he gave hiswedding band up and destroyed
all the evidence.
Damn, you know, he just likewalked in that under Okay, so he
destroyed the evidence?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, he destroyed everything.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
There's no paper trail or anything, and this
movie is so stupid, I love it.
So he leaves telling Sean hisplans to take advantage of his
job and family Hell yeah, whynot?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, I mean, he seems to be more competent than
Sean Archer.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Caster Troy is so smart.
If he just wasn't insane, right, he would be the best cop.
If he wasn't crazy, yeah, hewas pretty good at it.
So he the best cop.
If he wasn't crazy, yeah, hewas pretty good at it.
So he uh, cast a Troy as Sean.
He gets home and startssweet-talking his wife.
Um, john Travolta is so good inthis scene, acting as Castor,
trying to act as Sean.
He then walks in on Sean'sdaughter in her underwear and

(40:31):
has the hots for her.
It's gross, um, but JohnTravolta kind of dances away.
So it's kind of fun Becausehe's acting cool.
It's so weird he's so good atbeing cool.
It's because, like you know,I'm in Greece.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I have fever.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
He was like fucking cool back then.
Hell yeah, he's so funnyBecause, like, what Doesn't he
like?
Yeah, because she's likesmoking cigarettes and he's like
give me a cigarette.
Yeah, I'm cool dad now.
Yeah, so Caster then has theFBI negotiate a deal with Pollux
, who figures out the switchthat they've switched faces for

(41:08):
his release in return forrevealing the bomb's location.
Um, fucking sucks for Sean man.
Yeah, he's just like seeing allthis go down.
And he's like, and he's got theZodiac killer like standing
above him, just like wanting tokill him.
So Castor tells Pollux thatthey are going.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
They're all afraid of him, though Right Cause he's
like the most insane criminal onthe planet.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, cause I think he's Castor, and they all
respect his craziness.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah yeah Right, and they all respect his craziness.
Yeah yeah Right, because theyknow he'll kill Adam.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Like once he started going crazy, they're all like
that's looking Caster baby.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
That's my guy.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
So yeah, caster tells Pollux that they're going to go
straight.
Now they got to live on thestraight and narrow.
Essentially he says he's goingto be American hero finding the
bomb and that essentially he's.
He says he's going to beamerican hero finding the bomb
and that essentially they coulddo whatever they want, like take
out all their rivals andeverything and then they own
everything, which would be great.

(42:03):
Nice, um caster.
He goes to the bomb thing.
There's some bomb people liketrying to set it off.
He's like we have no idea.
So caster proceeds to disarm thebomb after the bomb squad can't
does it with only two secondsleft because he's got to be
dramatic.
Yeah, well, hell yeah, well, heknows the code yeah, and he
revels in the praise from sean'scolleagues and the media.
I love it.

(42:24):
Everybody's like, oh man, thisis kind of cool, sean.
Now, hell yeah, let's go.
He like smacks like thesecretary or whoever is like but
and she's like yes, she's likeI did not like that.
She made that face where ityou'd think that she was going
to turn around and be like, yeah, but instead it's just like
what.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Another woman goes.
No, you can't say anything,it's a man, yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Just say thanks, daddy, and get out of there.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yes, Please serve and have another.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
So that night Cass, that night cast, that night
somebody needs to take thecornbread out of you.
So that night caster has a datenight set up for his wife.
I got candles, lobster nothingis attractive about having to
fucking crack open lobster.
It's kind on a date night, yeah.

(43:17):
But it's like, okay, I'm gladwe're all done up and we're
about to have a date night andthen have sex.
You gotta take a shower afteryou eat lobster or crab legs.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Well, that's what they got the big bibs for.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Bro, your fucking hands are gonna be covered in
butter and lobster smell youjust lick each other's fingers,
that's how you get fish disease.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
And he does the face waterfall and just butter all
over.
She's allergic to shellfish.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Bro, you're giving me ideas.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
This is romance 101.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
But it's a very romantic dinner.
He sweet talks her and then,like, starts massaging her foot
and then they have sex.
Hell yeah.
So, following Caster'sdisarmament of the bomb and
boinking his wife, or Sean'swife, sean begins an escaped
attempt by attacking a guard fora cigarette so that he can get

(44:08):
fried, electrocuted.
So they take off his boots,apparently because he figured
that out.
So then he does that, and thena violent shootout ensues and
Sean is able to overload thesystem, ending with the FBI
agent successfully evading theprison guards and leaves the
prison by swimming ashore.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
I love when he gets on the computer and he selects.
There's just an option forsystem overload.
Yeah, yeah, pick that one If.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I know anything about it.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
It's like are you trying to escape?
Yes or no?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Oh God, yep, exactly Jason.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
And then he jumps in the water and they're like he's
dead Cause he got wet.
They don't have boats.
Nope, they don't.
They don't go looking for thebody.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
One helicopter.
I think it's one of thosesituations where it's like an
impossible prison.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I'm assuming there's probably like I don't know
alligator somewhere, just coverthe top with explosive barrels.
Oh, surrounded by sharks, canwe say?
Pretty dope place to have aprison yeah, that's actually
kind of cool rig, yeah kind of acool idea that's like don't,
that's boy movie shit rightthere.
There's that movie, that withSylvester Stallone, escape Plan,
escape Plan.
I haven't seen that.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
That's also kind of a yeah that's Arnold and
Sylvester and it's like funny.
It's like so whoever like hadthe idea to put them in this
movie, where they're like whatif we did it?
But without the face off?
There's like an insane Wilhelmscream.
Do you know what a Wilhelmscream is?
So it's like the type of screamit's something it was like a

(45:43):
very, very long time ago, likeevery John Wayne cowboy movie
had it and it was like it was.
It's like shit, what I'mblanking on what they call it.
It's just like an added inscream that they used to do
because, you know they didn'thave a.
They weren't able to film likesound on location.
So you know it was all done likepost and they just had this guy

(46:07):
named Wilhelm and he screamedand it's like almost like all
movies have this scream if youlook out for it.
But Almost like all movies havethis scream if you look out for
it.
But this one is just like aninsane version of it.
Oh yeah, I got to look that up.
Yeah, you should.
Once you hear it you'll be like, oh, that's the Wilhelm scream
and maybe I'll put it in thepodcast, so you can hear it,

(46:31):
yeah.
So also, sean is fine with copsdying, but wants to save the
prisoners that are helping himescape.
I get that he doesn't like howthis prison is treating people,
but he they also put the worstof the worst in this prison and
he knows he should know aboutthis prison already because this
is where he's sending half thepeople.
He arrested him and then hehates this guy because he's
treating the prisoners wrong.
But like, I would assume that,like would he be upset if cor

(46:55):
was being treated like this bythis prison guard?
No, so I'm just like you'retotally fine with all these cops
, just prison guards, just dying, just dying.
Yeah, I mean, they get paidminimum wage, or does he just
not know how bad this prison is?

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, I don't think he had any idea.
I don't think most people haveany idea unless they've actually
been in there.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, but I mean like I feel like there's real
prisons worse than that.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Probably yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Right.
Okay so instead of metal boots.
The boots are made of wetsponge, like I remember hearing
about.
There was this one.
It was in Louisiana, it waslike a prison and they you know
a guy was in there and you knowLouisiana is like super muggy
and wet and hot and they had alittle, you know, like a window
with bars on it.
Right, louisiana has a ton ofmosquitoes and he said that like

(47:44):
while staying there there's somany mosquitoes that he'd wake
up just covered head to toe inmosquitoes.
And he could like slap the walljust filled with mosquitoes and
like just blood Smear, blood,yeah, hell, yeah, that is my
fucking nightmare.
All the guards are gators.
It's like they kind of hisswhen they open their mouths.

(48:07):
It's like that's all it is,that's how they talk, or just
like the sound of likealligators.
When you're like at night, it'slike, oh man, like a growl.
Yes, I don't know.
When you're like at night, it'slike oh man, like a growl, yes.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I don't even know what a sound alligator is?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I don't know.
They're like dinosaurs.
Dude Happy hey feed me.
Okay, well, there was that.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
So Caster and.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Sean Caster and Sean's wife visit Sean's son's
grave.
Caster pretends to care.
Then Caster learned, but youknow, actually, going back to
that moment when he visits,there almost seemed to be some
sort of Like.
He kind of seemed like heregretted the fact that he
killed the kid just a little bit.

(48:49):
Just like the face he made.
I was like it either seemedlike he was bored or that he was
just like fuck, I didn't meanto kill the kid.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, I think there's a tiny bit of that.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Cool.
So caster might have a soul.
So then caster learns that Seanis dead, but he doesn't believe
it.
It wants to see his body, causeyou know, after the escape he's
like no, he fucking.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
They all should have known that just because you jump
in water doesn't mean you'redead.
Yeah, for real.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
That's like, it's like classic movie stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
He's just right there .
He's like, hey, can I get alift?

Speaker 1 (49:24):
So Sean, now on land, calls his wife, but he still
has Caster's voice.
He then calls Caster to scarehim.
He's like I'm coming for you,baby.
Later Sean visits Caster'shonorage and successfully fools
him into thinking that he's thereal Caster.
Sean then asks him to help killArcher.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
What kind of drug do you think they took when he
mixed it with the powder in thewater?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
No idea.
I'd assume it was like somecoke laced with meth.
I feel like everything.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I think you just drank, I thought you just
snorted everything I mean isthere, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I don't know, probably like a leucogen maybe
yeah, probably some PCP.
Ooh, yeah, maybe probablysomething like that.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
I thought you smoked that.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I don't know man, I don't know, no, cause I can't
eat or drink.
It isn't that what they did inlike the MKUltra shit, like they
made him drink stuff, I don'tknow.
So Sean finds himself having totake drugs and impress Caster's
game.
He jokes about sleeping with hiswife to like convince him they
ask what he wants to do, likewhat he wants to do to Sean aka

(50:27):
Caster.
He says I want to take his faceoff, Face off.
And then everybody around himface off and it's like is this a
dream sequence?
Why is everybody doing it?
They like the idea.
Yeah, Never heard it before.
It's so amazing, though it's abeautiful scene.
They're like should we say thetitle of the movie in this?

(50:50):
Yes, but let's put it all inone scene.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Several times.
Yeah, I love when he brings himhis box with the guns and it's
also got the chiclets in it.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
It's a weird little box of stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
This is like all the stuff you always have with you.
It's like your, yourpost-prison escape, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I should just like have a box in my car, just stuff
that sometimes I want to do.
So.
While high, he almost shoots amirror because he sees Caster's
face.
As he is high, you get the wildNick Cage face because Sasha
walks in.
He's like he turns around.
He's got like a.
It's like I don't know.
I wish this was a video, butfor this moment.

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Wild face and it's like I don'tknow.
I wish this was a video but forthis moment.
Wild face and it's just likeNick Cage, you, son of a bitch,
you did it again.
It's on fire.
He's like the only actor whereyou see that in a movie and
you're just like, yeah, that'sthe appropriate response.
That's the face everybodyshould make.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
You're kind of not, you're expecting it like what do
you?

Speaker 1 (51:52):
think John Woo said Just say like you hate your face
and you want it off.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Here's your motivation you just got a new
face.
You don't like it.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
You want to shoot it, but you want to also stretch it
off by smiling.
So yeah, so we're back withSasha.
It presents.
So yeah, so we're back withSasha.
It presents.
So Sasha, it's Caster'sex-girlfriend, and we also see
that there's a little kid thereand that turns out to be their
son.
Adam Caster is talking toPollux explaining that he will

(52:26):
use his government.
Caster as Sean is talking toPollux explaining that he will
use his government powers totake out all his rivals, then
his daughter and Danny.
Oh yeah, so now he's back homeand he's like I'm fucking king
of the castle king of the castlehis daughter and Danny
Masterson from that 70s show.
Yeah, yeah, this is a badassscene pull up in the driveway,

(52:48):
he starts to try to rape her andcaster beats the crap out of
him.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
That was fucking awesome hey, you know it didn't
age well danny masters to try torape somebody.
He took this idea a little too.
He's like.
He's like I like this.
Thanks, john woo.
This gave me.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
I'm gonna make this a part of my personal great life
advice for me that was so sweet.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Crazy when he comes and kicks in the window.
Yeah, it's great.
It's like someone should dothis danny masterson.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
He then gives her a knife, something her actual
father should have done, youknow, as like protection, and
she's like whoa, thanks dad.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
That's some good.
Make sure you twist it.
Yeah, thanks.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
That's like some good fatherly advice.
There, you know, protect myselfCool.
Thanks, father.
Instead of just being like stopdressing the way, I don't like
you.
And then he sits down in thething.
He's like wowie wowie, king ofthe castle, king of the castle
Borat.
So back to Caster and Sasha.

(53:50):
Earlier, sean threatened to puther son into foster care, but
he now realizes that she is adevoted mother who's trying to
raise Adam away from thepoisonous influence of Caster.
Pollux, watching Caster's oldsafe house, informed Caster of
Sean's arrival.
Sean, as Caster promised herthat Archer will not bother her
anymore, sean starts to bondwith Adam, reminding him of his

(54:11):
deceased son Michael.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
In a scary way and like calls him.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Michael starts hugging him and saying Michael,
michael, michael, and then facewaterfalls him, it's like this
is my dad, yeah get him awayfrom me.
Well, it's okay.
This son just seems to be likenot understand a single thing
that's ever happening around him.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
He lives in a crime house.
He probably sees a lot of crazyshit.
It's wild.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
You know what?
Something I do love in likethese crime movies is that when
usually it's always like thevillain is shitty to the kid but
like everybody else loves thekid.
Yeah, I love when there's likea group of criminals and there's
like one kid around and they'reall like, hey kid, what's up?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, it's always so fun.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It's just like oh, they have a heart somewhere,
yeah, um, except Castro doesn't.
Uh, so, uh, castro sends in anFBI team.
They're all shooting at thiskid in the room.
There's a kid you don't shoot.
I feel like also get some.
It would be much easier thanjust shooting up the whole
building Just to fill it withbullets.
Yeah.
So a gunfight ensues, killingmost of the caster's crew, while

(55:18):
Sasha and Adam escape withSean's help.
And because Sasha's brother Ithink Sasha's brother this is, I
put in my notes Sasha's brother, I think stepped in front of a
bullet for her.
Love it, shit is explodingeverywhere.
Love it, shit is explodingeverywhere.
The kid is listening to tapeand then like throughout most of
the thing somewhere over therainbow is playing while the kid

(55:38):
watches everybody die.
It's kind of powerful.
Weirdly and it's that was JohnWoo's idea the studio wouldn't
even pay for the song.
He paid for it out of pocketand once the movie made a ton of
money, they gave the money backto John.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Woo, and during this scene my bird started singing
along with it.
It was kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Aw, hell, yeah, dude, I want a bird to watch my
movies with me.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Every time we start laughing, he'll start laughing.
It makes us laugh more.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
That's awesome Also I love it.
Sasha and Adam.
They're like running.
Then a kid comes, a guy comesup and like points the gun at
them and at gunpoint the kidtouches a gun and like it's like
, sweetie, don't ever do that.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Kick some of the balls, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Now Caster and Sean have a face Alone in the room.
Caster says they should tradeback and give each other's faces
, give each other's lives back.
But Caster can't give his sonback to Sean, and it's like
because he's like, yeah, but youcan't give me my son back.
And it's like good, see this.
I love this.
This little face off is amazing.

(56:49):
Because it's amazing?
Because they are then atgunpoint.
But they're in the mirror, yeahin the mirror, so they're
seeing the person they want tokill.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, but they're in that body and it's like movies
Face off, Face off.
It's good Levels baby.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
It's like all the ridiculousness, everything.
It's all stupid, but damn it,it works.
Yeah, I got a few germs Forthis one moment it's all worth
it, jason, and it's why I wantto podcast and scream about it.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I love when they shoot.
He does like a backflip.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah, he just like moves over and it's like okay,
well, it kind of takes away fromthe moment because it gets this
matrix away from these bullets.
Fuck yeah, man, holy shit, Icould run through all right now.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Then the guy with the grenade launcher comes in and
what it's like.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Hey, just snipe the guy somewhere.
This is why Sean was so pissedat the beginning of the movie If
they would have had one sniperfor each person in the building
it.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
this is why Sean was so pissed at the beginning of
the movie they're bad FBI.
If they would have had like onesniper for each person in the
building, it could have justbeen like okay, shoot, all right
, it's all over now.
Yeah, see you later.
Alligators.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Also, if you can shoot any other men in there,
great.
Just don't hit the woman andchild.
How about that?
Instead, every woman I don'tknow there might have been kids
in there.
The cops were just like takethem out.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I love how they're dropping in from the ceiling and
getting kicked out of windows.
Yeah, just immediately shot.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
It's like stop dropping into these windows when
people are actively shooting,like you do that before the
shootout starts.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
The bald guy's like my place is getting fucked up.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah, I hope I don't die.
So as Sean makes his own escape, Sean catches Pollux and drops
him through the apartmentskylight, killing him.
Hell yeah, that was sweet.
Caster is devastated.
And when a fellow agentcomments about like hey, why are
you so sad?
He shoots him in the head.
It's great.
It's like, don't you mess withCaster and Sean.

(58:49):
That was pretty cool, yeah.
Later the FBI agent assistantdirector in charge, victor
Lazaro, berates caster for theunnecessary carnage at the safe
house, and we also learn he'sSean is Times man of the Year.
Kind of makes sense.
Why Donald Trump is, I don'tknow.
I mean, he, like you, can justcall it caster, I guess.

(59:13):
He caught the worst criminalLike disarmed a bomb, so I guess
he's.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah, most of the time I feel like that happens
all the time, like you never seehigh-level cops taking like
huge amount of credit for this.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
It's always like the agency, like they would never be
Times cop of the year.
But sweet, I love that they didit.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
It's funny so and imagine if we had cops competing
the big cop of the year and howmany backflips and shootouts we
would have.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah, and how many people would just be like
wrongfully imprisoned becausethey're like look, I gotta be
times man, like let's just say,this guy did it.
So an already angered casterconfesses his true identity and
kills the FBI agent or assistantdirector, blaming his death on
a heart attack.
Yeah, did you just make himhave a heart attack.

(01:00:01):
Well, so he was kind of havingit.
So he just like I get what likehe was, just like punching his
chest or whatever Throat, punchthem and they punch him to make
this heart explode because hewas already kind of rubbing his
chest while he was yelling athim.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
He's like oh, this guy's one punch to the heart
away from dying.
It's one chest compression awayfrom death.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
As a result, castro is promoted to FBI Assistant
Director Hell yeah.
Meanwhile, sean returns to hissuburban home and tries to
convince Eve that he is reallyher husband.
She's only convinced slightlyafter he tells her about the
last time they saw each otherand argued, and he slept in
Michael's bed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
And it's just like lady just scream.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
There's like a cop walking in the house and is like
, damn, this department sucks.
And and then he's like, hey,check our blood types.
Caster's is A AB and mine is Onegative.
So for scientific proof, eve,who's a doctor, gets a blood
sample from Castor and finds itis type AB.

(01:01:01):
Sean is O negative.
He then shows and it's like shelike pricks his arm and he's
just like, oh, what was that?
Oh, never mind.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Also, I think if you're going to do an organ
transplant, you have to have thesame blood type.
Yeah, but if this is O negative, it's universal.
But it wouldn't have worked theother way around.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Shit, dude.
This movie works, Levels baby.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
No, it doesn't.
That doesn't work at all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Well, they're just switching faces, they're not
switching bloods.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah, but no, it's organs.
Your skin is an organ.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
He then shows up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
You're right, jason, that was my bad that was cool,
so you can't O negative, can'tswitch organs with just anybody,
it's only or O negative cangive blood to anyone, but they
can only receive O negativeGotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
So it wouldn't work.
Well, someone, this was 90.
Does not matter this was 90science, science, it's different
.
So then, uh, while she's doinglike the blood tests, he then
shows up at the hospital and shepulls a gun on him.
Sean does.
She puts it down when he facewaterfalls, her he does it the
wrong way yeah.

(01:02:10):
He then describes her first kiss, where she broke her tooth and
now she believes.
So the morning comes and as Evetends to her husband's gun
wound, sean assumes Caster can'tbe touched and now that he's
the new acting director, atwhich point Eve tells him he'll
be at Lazaro's funeral.
Sean as Caster says goodbye toSasha, and Eve as Caster as

(01:02:32):
Jesus Christ.
Goodbye to Sasha and Eve as inCaster as Jesus Christ.
Sean as Caster says goodbye toSasha and Eve and Caster as Sean
head to the funeral.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Oh, with so many doves.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, it's wild that now Sasha would probably date
Caster and actually love Caster,because the way he's like being
nice, so it's kind of like man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
good thing she dies a little later because she's
going to be fucked up by allthis.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
So Sean arrives at Lazaro's funeral during the mass
and prays in a side chapeluntil it finishes and the
mourners leave.
You got birds flying, whileSean walks in slow motion and
doves flying freely in a chapel.
Like what are we doing Doves ina chapel At?
What are we doing?
Why do we have doves in a?

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I'd go to this church Chapel, at least once.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
There's so much bird poop.
This is how you get avian flu.
He then discovers that Casteris holding Eve hostage and Sean
is surrounded, but then Sashacomes out Everybody how's it
going?
Let's fucking go.
It's just like like I got you,no, I got you slush, it comes

(01:03:36):
out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I got you other guy, not so fast, it's the.
That's the most, ladies andgentlemen ladies and gentlemen,
cinema, cinema okay then JohnTafelda Cinema.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Okay, then John Tafalco.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
We did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
what a predicament it's beautiful man, it's
beautiful, it's Oscar, it's justthere's.
There's just nothing.
There's just nothing better,jason, there's just better.
Golly, oh, I need tissues.

(01:04:20):
So a gunfight ensues, in whichcaster's crew are killed so many
birds died in the making ofthis film.
Uh, and that's just.
It's such like everything aboutthis scene is this is john woo
at his best sliding arounddouble handed guns, birds flying
the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
there's three Spider-Men on top pointing at
each other.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
It's like three birds , like pointing Whose turn is it
to fly in front of a bullet?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
They've all got guns too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
So gunfight ensues.
Caster's crew are killed.
Sasha saves Eve and takes abullet.
They've all got guns too, sogunfight ensues.
Caster's crew are killed, sashasaves Eve and takes a bullet
for Sean Before she dies.
She makes him promise that hewill not let Adam grow up to be
a criminal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
It's kind of sad.
He's like okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Okay, sure, why not?
Hey, by the way, how?

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
embarrassing when your wife is watching you talk
to another woman like that, bro,fucking levels, hey.
By the way, how embarrassingwhen your wife is watching you
Talk to another woman Like thatBro fucking levels.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
It's like wait.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Did they have?

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
sex Cause.
I had sex with Caster.
They kissed a little bit, sothere's no way that he did not
have sex with her.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
He kinda got into it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Yeah, he was totally into it, he's like.
Oh wait, I could, but Ishouldn't.
I could totally do this, buthe's a good guy.
So Sean and Caster fight, withJamie arriving late gets stuck
in the middle.
Caster strangles Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Do you and Natalie have like a face off clause for
seeing other people?

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Yeah, so you know, we had a prenup and we added that
to it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Oh yeah, I was just curious.
I was just curious, sorry,sorry, I didn't mean to
interrupt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
It's like all right, we can't take each other's money
, but also, in lieu of either,one of us get a face off.
It is OK for us to bang thecriminals.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Significant others.
That's what we got.
We got that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
You really do want to have that in writing yeah, so
Caster strangles Sean but woundup dislodging a microtrip on his
larynx which gave him Caster'svoice, thus returning his voice
to normal.
So she's like so now Jamiecomes up and he's got the gun.
It's like they're both, withthe same voice, saying it's him,

(01:06:24):
no, it's him.
It's like hell yeah, classicbit here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
It's usually Usually they look the same.
Yeah, usually they look thesame, but it's kind of cool that
it's the same voice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
It's just like she's just confused and it's like I
guess I'll just shoot his arm, Idon't know.
Then Caster takes Jamie hostageand he's like if it was my
fucking daughter he'd get himright in the head.
But she is able to escape,ironically using a knife trick
that he taught her earlier inthe film.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Yeah, stabbed him real good, but it doesn't seem
to really affect him that much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Yeah well, he's a psychopath on drugs, I guess.
So Caster takes off to thedocks and steals a speedboat.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Let's fucking go Just kills the shit out of that guy.
Go fast boats.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Baby Sean then jumps into another speedboat and goes
after.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Caster Boat fight.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, speedboats rule .
After a lengthy chase thatinvolves Caster's boat ramming
and jumping through a policeboat, jumping through a boat.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Yes, that was full of explosives you know what I wish
?

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
they gave this movie a $160 million budget.
Let's do that five more times.
Caster and Sean fighting on aspeedboat now, when Sean water
skis and dress shoes Hell yeah,dude, so great this seriously
ridiculous scene.
But man, dude, so great thisseriously ridiculous scene.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
But man, it's shot so well and it's amazing the
entire time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
It's like great action.
So, and then the boat explodesand they're thrown ashore.
It's the whole thing's right.
The whole thing's right.
It's like I could have donefive more minutes of those boats
.
They're like trying to hit eachother with anchors.
yes, so the two engage yeah, thetwo engage in a final

(01:08:03):
hand-to-hand confrontation.
After Caster Troy beats his foewith a pole, sean grabs a spear
gun and stabs Caster in the leg, making him unable to fight.
Caster in the leg, making himunable to fight.
Caster then tries to destroySean's face on himself to
prevent him from reclaiming it,which results in Sean eventually
killing Caster with a spear gun.
Here's the thing he was cuttinghis face, but cutting where it
would be cut.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
To put it back on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
I was like no, you need to start stabbing yourself
in the face.
Like ah, that looks like I'mblowing two dudes.
There's like the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I really did.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
What if he?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
just grabs the top of it and rips it off, yeah, and
then rubs it on his balls.
He's like, ah, you're not goingto want this anymore, and then
he's like face rip.
So later Eve is able to explainthe entire situation it's like
hey, that's not how I usually doso.
Later Eve is able to explainthe entire situation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I get your face off my junk man.
It's like, hey, that's not howI usually do it.
So later, eve is somehow ableto explain the entire situation
of the FBI, successfullyconvincing them of her husband's
true identity.
I mean, how do you explain thatto somebody?

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah, and the FBI was probably like whoa, no way,
Whoa, Holy yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
And the FBI was probably like whoa, no way, Whoa
, Holy shit.
Pass me that blunt brother.
I like to think she just wentin there.
It's like I'm going to say thisonce and only once.
Sean and Castor, they tooktheir face off and then put each
other's face on each other.
They're like that's a good ideafor a movie.

(01:09:36):
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm doingtoo much clapping.
So Sean is then taken to thehospital and his face and body
are restored, minus a scar onhis chest from when Michael was
killed because he doesn't needit anymore.
Okay, Other people know how todo the surgery.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
I mean, is isn't doctor school.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
I think any plastic surgery surgeon can like fix a
face, take off the haircompletely, undo his body and do
it into john sir vulture's bodyagain.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, they got like a tube that for that,
if you are a doctor and went toa doctor school.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Leave us some comments and tell us.
Go to the description.
There's a link at the topthere's the email at the bottom
tell us if this is possible anddon't tell us if it's possible
now.
Tell us if it's possible in the90s.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
I mean, people do this.
Did you ever hear about the guywho wanted to look just like
his girlfriend?
Uh, uh, I know there's like theKen guy People do this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Did you ever hear about the guy who wanted to look
just like his girlfriend?
Uh-uh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I know there's like the Ken guy who wanted to look
like Ken and it didn't work.
Yeah, they like sliced off hisnipples?
Yeah, no, but you can reshape aperson's face, yeah, just
getting it back to where it was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
It's like they put like hair plugs back in them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Okay, works for me All right.
Yes, okay, works for me, allright.
So, uh, I'm about to yell.
The film ends as sean arriveshome with adam, bringing him
into his family in order tofulfill his promise to sasha of
not allowing adam to grow up tobe a criminal.
He just replaces his dead son.
This kid is gonna grow up withso many issues and he doesn't
even tell his family that he isbringing him home and they're

(01:11:15):
just okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
They're like let's go kid how do you got a surprise?
Close your eyes, okay, now openup I think I'm gonna pass out
new son.
What was he just like?

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
he was john woo.
Just like I want to do the darkending in the studio, like no.
And he's like was it like mewhen I was writing a script for
one of my classes and I wrote itand it was going to have like
an ambiguous ending and they'relike it needs to be less
ambiguous.
So I just like made it overlysimplistic and obnoxious.
And the older teacher was likeI like this.

(01:11:53):
And I was just like this isgold.
God that's not what I wanted todo at all.
It was cool the other way, itsucks this way.
But I did it obnoxiouslybecause I knew it was never
going to get made and I justwanted to be like fuck you,
teacher.
Sure, this is what you want.
And he liked it.
And it made me upset and upsetand I was like is this what John
Woo did?
He's just like okay, they wanta happy ending.

(01:12:14):
How about the fucking kid justgets to live with them now?

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
and everybody's gonna be like la la la, this is fine
well, it makes sense to everyoneelse, because that's what you
do when you lose a pet you justget another one.
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
It makes you feel better, that's true that's why I
like whenever my animals die.
I'm just like I don't think Ican get another one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
They're my kids.
But then you do, and then it'sfine yeah, I don't know man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Well, actually, we just need less pets in this
house, so it would be oh, I'd belike three of them have to go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
We found a place to take the cat we don't want, yeah
we have to wait until it's,because we think it might be
pregnant, but we don't know forsure well hope it's not so it's
gonna take all the kit.
Once the kittens are old enough, they'll take them okay, that's
cool.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
I was gonna say it's like well, you get rid of the
one cat, now you get like 15kids.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
No, they're gonna take them all cool.
It's gonna be awesome.
I can't wait.
It's gonna be a happy day, myfucking life.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
That's good and that's face.
Hell, yeah, we're gonna do ourcategories.
First one is good, the bad, theugly.
Our categories.
First one is the good, the bad,the ugly, the fine.
It's where we discuss the goodof the film Something we liked.
The bad, something we didn'tlike.
The ugly, something that didn'tage well.
The fine, something that didage well.
The good Action?

(01:13:24):
Yes, insanity.
Just Just People writing stuffand just snorting as much
cocaine as they can and thenpassing out and forgotten,
forget it.
They're just putting in themail and just like they come out
of their drug fueled rage andthen pass out and then wake up

(01:13:46):
with offers from every studioand be like I don't even
remember doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
For me the best the face off with everyone.
Had a gun in church.
That was the best thing, chef'skiss Chef's waterfall I've
maybe ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I mean, it is hilarious, dude.
It's just like I got you, well,I got you, well, I got you, and
then I got you.
When's it going to stop?
Honestly, they could have doneit five more times and I'd been
like, yeah, it fits.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
add another five, have 15 people come out pointing
guns at each other space, laserpoints at the house yeah got em
.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
This is just like, literally, where civilization
peaked, it's been downhill eversince 1997 four years later, we
got 9-11.
A few years later, marketcrashed, or home market,
whatever crashed.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
You're absolutely right, trump, covid Bird flu,
more Trump, we're all about tolose our money.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
It all peaked at face off Alright the bad.
I mean I guess the whole movie,but it's actually kind of good
at the face off alright the badI mean I guess the whole movie,
but it's actually kind of goodat the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
So I don't know what else to say.
Well, just Nicolas Cage, whenhim trying to be Sean is great
was so bad, yeah, so good so bad, because he wasn't crazy
anymore.
Yeah, he's trying to be normal,and that is not you, nick.
Yeah, it was so bad.
Yeah, it was so good, so bad,so weird, because he wasn't
crazy anymore.
Yeah, he's trying to be normal,and that is not you, nick.
Yeah, be yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Yeah, but then he did it, was there it was still
there.
It was there I mean, yeah, yeah, all right.
So the Ugly Movie needs a 30minute sequel to show how fucked
up everyone is after whyprobably has trouble sleeping
with Sean Now, adam probablyrebels against the whole
situation because he doesn'tknow the family at all and, uh,

(01:15:39):
it's probably like it doesn'tlike them Cause they're like you
guys.
Just like, took me man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Was there an after credit scene?
I fast forwarded through thecredits and I saw a glimmer of
something and I was like fuck, Igotta leave, but I wanna see.
So I don't know, Really.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
I don't think there was.
I didn't see one.
It might not have been.
I let it play out through thewhole thing.
I don't think there was Shit,did I?
Well, we'll never know, and ifyou know, leave us some fan mail
.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
What do you got?
That was one of the best.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
I think that's every dad's dream.
So it aged the worst becauseDanny Mastin ended up taking his
role too seriously.
It aged well because you got tosee Danny Mastin get his ass
kicked.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Yes, that was amazing , oh my God.
But what aged poorly?
I think was maybe the wholebeginning part With the choir
girls.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Yes, I'm glad it's in there, all right, well, because
it was funny, yeah, and sheseemed like she enjoyed it.
She didn't.
She couldn't have been an adult, right?
Oh, actually did not thinkabout it like that.
I actually thought everybodywas an adult in that scene.
So, yeah, that age poorly itpotentially aged poorly, but

(01:16:58):
just the idea that you know likea Catholic priest doing that to
somebody ages poorly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Yeah, that has become quite popular, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
So the find something that aged well Nick Cage Boat
fights Boats, boats for drivingthrough other boats, guns Birds.
Pointing guns at people.
More people showing up pointingguns.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Holding two guns and then pointing them to shoot and
then pulling it back.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Yeah, somewhere over the rainbow.
Hell, yeah, what a good song,shit.
I mean it's hard to not sayeverything because I mean what
didn't age well?
Another thing was that, youknow, it's just like we lost our
ability to just like makeironic movies and so, for the

(01:17:46):
fine, also ironic movies werelike not made ironically but
feel like they made itironically.
Like we know this is stupid,but it's like I don't know, love
it, yeah.
So we're going to hit our nextcategory Double feature.
I put there is no movie likethis.

(01:18:08):
There's like freaky Friday andstuff like that, but nothing
like it.
So this is the only movie likethis.
So just watch the UnbearableWeight of Massive Talent where
it's.
You know, nick Cage plays NickCage and like, people love Nick
Cage, they go to visit him andhe has like all the memorabilia
and like his most prizedpossession.
Are the two guns from thismovie?

(01:18:29):
Really, yeah, have from thismovie, really, yeah.
Have you not seen it?
No, it's on.
I think it's on Amazon.
That's cool.
It's on something you shouldwatch it.
It's hilarious.
Pedro Pascal's in it, what,yeah, if you ever see the meme
where you just got like Pedrojust is looking at Nick Cage and
he goes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
It's a reference to this movie but and it's amazing,
I saw a meme with Pedro on it.
It said instead of the Last ofUs, it was the Lust of Ass.
My 14-year-old daughter showedthat to me oh cool.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Everything's going to work out well.
So what's your double feature,Con Air?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
If you can't get enough, Nick Cage put the put
the bunny down.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Yes, con air good movie.
Uh, horrible accents.
Steve buscemi's character hangsout with a little kid and he's
a pedophile yeah that was asuper cool movie.
It's a weird movie.
So on the set of con air,little tidbit.
Um, you know that movie has alot of people like john cusack.
Yeah, um, do you have my money,john?
malkovich nick cage, danny trejo, all these people.

(01:19:40):
And so, uh, someone was doingan interview with danny trejo
and they asked him who out ofthat crew had something that you
think like who would besomebody you wouldn't want to
mess with?
And he said John Cusack.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Really he said there was something in his eyes Like a
murderous look in his eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Well, it's just like out of everyone there, he
thought that that would be thetoughest person there, whoa.
So out of like Nick Cage, johnMalkovich, all these people
they're like All those toughguys.
It was him, I hope I hearingthat interview or something.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Yeah, because you know Danny Trejo has been to
prison, so you know it's likewho would you not want to be in
prison with?
And that's face off.
Yes, we did it.
That was fun, that was a wildride, so join us next week.
Because we're going to go a muchquieter movie, shorter.

(01:20:33):
It's going to be horror becauseyour boy loves the horror, and
it's going to be so realisticand authentic to its time.
So, unlike Face Off, we'regoing to ground ourselves, baby,
because we're going to be doingthe Vivich, the Vivich, the
witch with two V's.
So get ready for Black Phillipto live deliciously.

(01:20:55):
Hell yeah, black Phillip,because that's what we're doing
next week.
So join us next week for that.
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(01:21:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Like I'm like reeling over here from having fun, holy
shit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
So yeah, I was crying so much.
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(01:21:57):
I'm Jesse.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
I'm Jason.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
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