Hereditary

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SPEAKER_04 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the We Recommend Podcast, a
movie podcast where every weekwe recommend a movie for you to
watch and then come back hereand listen to us discuss.
I'm Jesse.
I'm Jason.
You know, Annie, you can alwaysbuild a shrine to all the
terrible things in the world,but it doesn't mean that you
have to destroy anything that isgood.
Cause this week we recommendhereditary.

(00:27):
Jason! First time watching,second, second.
Alright, I want to know what didyou think the first time you
watched it, and what do youthink now after re-watching it?

SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
The first time I watched it, I thought it was one
of the scariest fucking thingsI'd ever seen.
Yeah.
Creepiest.
And then um the second time itwas like still very chilling at
times, but it was just veryentertaining and and pretty.

SPEAKER_04 (00:52):
So uh what did you find scary in terms of like
what's scary in this movie foryou?

SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
Uh the the well, the intense grief.
Yeah.
Um and you know, the littlething with the mom sawing her
own head off.
I don't know what that's scary.
And like floating through theair.
That was what really got me thefirst time.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12):
So um I thought when I first watched this movie, I
was so stressed out.
This movie stresses me out.
And that's where I find I getall like the horror from.
Like, you know, the cult shit,the sawing the head off, like
her skittering on the wall.
That was cool.
That shit I'm like metal.
But then it's just like herscreaming at her kid at the

(01:32):
dinner table.
I'm just like, I feel like I'mgoing to the sunken place and
get out.
I'm like, please just send me toa different.
I hate confrontation.
I hate feeling confrontation inthe air.
It makes me want to die inside.
Like, no joke.
So this movie is, I don't know.
I feel like I use the wordmasterpiece too much.
Like I even used it for longlegs.

(01:53):
It's like obviously not amasterpiece.
But man, in terms of like stressand everything that I have fears
of in like my life, this movie'sa masterpiece for that.
Just uh, just scared thatthere's one person around you
that's just gonna like go off atany time.
Oh, like uh, like I rememberbeing, I don't know, just around

(02:18):
friends, and you know, like ifthey had a parent that was like
getting really upset and youcould tell, and I'd be like, all
right, we need to chill out whatwe're doing in here because the
adult in the house is startingto get upset.
And then whenever it just likeyou just like it breaks, right?
And all of a sudden, like thedad or the mother's mad, and
it's like, oh man, can I justleave?

SPEAKER_00 (02:38):
It's kind of like how Peter was saying that he
could feel the air flexing.

SPEAKER_04 (02:41):
Yes, God, that's so, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, Jason, yeah.
It's like in this terms, they'remeaning ghosts or demons, but
I'm like, nah, there's this likeyou can cut the tension in here
with uh with the knife.
And it's always I don't know.
Um, and then you know, I kind ofgo to learn that like I've
always been like that as a kid,and I was always scared of being

(03:03):
in trouble and stuff, like myparents said.
Said if I did something, I'd I'djust be like worried that I'm
gonna get in trouble.
Mom be like, you didn't doanything wrong.
And I'm like, but I feelsomething weird.
And that's what this movie makesme feel like.
And it's it's I don't know whyit's so scary for me.
I really liked how they did theghost.
Yes, the light.
Yeah.
When I first watched it, I waslike, because it shows up when

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Charlie's in a room and there'salmost kind of like a glare,
like a lens flare almost.
And I'm like, ooh, that was kindof cool.
And then it boop all over theroom, and I was like, oh way.

SPEAKER_00 (03:36):
That was neat.
Oh no.
I was we're talking about thelike the mom and like showing up
in the corners.
Oh, just the corners.
Yeah.
That was pretty cool.
Yeah.
But yeah, that thing is reallyneat.

SPEAKER_02 (03:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:47):
That gave me like, God, I don't know.
Like, is this supposed to beCharlie or Paymont or what?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (03:55):
Yeah, I was debating on whether I should just start
and just explaining like thewhole ritual that has been going
on, or if I should about I thinkI'm just gonna wait as we go
through the plot.
Um I do want to say at thebeginning, um, you know, the
head cutting off, that's that'slike the um that's the payment
for Paymon.
Oh.
Or Paymon.

SPEAKER_00 (04:14):
Whatever we say at at the end that we've correct
what did they say?
We've corrected your first bodyor like did something to it.
Yeah.
Which was the daughter.
Yeah.
So it's uh we'll wait till weget into the plot.

SPEAKER_04 (04:29):
Just because I feel like if we explain it now,
there's no reason to get thecool hood.
Yeah, it's uh it's rat, and I Iwant to know more about the or
old, you know, one of the king,one of the eight kings of hell,
you know.
Didn't even know there was thatmany of them.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:42):
Well, who are the other ones?

SPEAKER_04 (04:43):
You know, it's you know why it's hell down there?
There's too many bosses, toomany cooks in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_02 (04:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (04:49):
It's strong with hell.
Um, so I guess I want to knowwhat's scarier in the film.
The family drama or the thehorror of the cult?
What did you find scarier?

SPEAKER_02 (05:01):
I've already said what I found scarier.
I mean, the family drama is veryintense.
Um I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't really know.
I think there's a pretty goodbalance there.

SPEAKER_04 (05:15):
You know what I love about this movie is about how
Tony Cullick's character Anniejust hates Peter.
Just does not want anything todo with Peter.
It's like, because the wholemovie she's kind of being like,
oh yeah, he's always got a smuglook on his face, or he's always
like, gonna say this or that.
It's like the entire time inthis movie, Peter's in a little

(05:38):
angel.
Peter.
I mean, he just goes and askshis mom, like, hey, is it okay
if I take the car?
I'm gonna go hang out with theparents.
She immediately is just like,just like so fed up with him.
I'm like, he literally came inso politely asking you a
question, and you justimmediately made the situation
worse for him.
And same thing at the dinnertable.
She he just asks, Hey, this isgood, and she's like, Fuck you.

(06:01):
It's like, man, this moviehasn't showed us any of the
stuff that you seem to haveissues with your son, and it's
just but then we figure out why,because you know, she didn't
want him at all.
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
Yeah.
She was, you know, justpressured by the mother for what
reason, I wonder.

SPEAKER_01 (06:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
So does that mean that Steve's not his dad?

SPEAKER_04 (06:24):
No, Steve's his dad.
Okay.
Yeah, we'll get into it when weget into what this is just uh
the whole beginning of this onebig tease of us how we're gonna
explain everything.

SPEAKER_00 (06:34):
I'm so confused.

SPEAKER_04 (06:35):
Um, so uh some facts.
The producer said that it workedout well that Gabriel Byrne and
Alex Wolfe, that's Steve andPeter, had worked together, and
that Alex and Millie Shapiro,uh, which is Charlie, had also
knew each other from school,actually.
They went to school togetherbecause it made Tony Click the
outsider, which mirrored Annie'scharacter and feelings of

(06:57):
alienation with her own family.
Bro.
So true though.
I was like, man, Annie, yougotta get out of this fucking
room and talk to your people.
Like you're just going nutso inthis room building miniatures.
I love her miniatures though.
Dude.
It's very cool.
How crazy is it that throughoutthe film when watching, there's

(07:17):
some times where I was like, Idon't know if this is miniature,
if this is real.
And I'm so confused at what'sreal and not.

SPEAKER_00 (07:22):
It all looked so like those pastels.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (07:25):
And the darkness was almost exactly the same as all
the houses she was building, butit was gosh, it's so wild
because it's it'd just be likewe'd cut to like the face of
Peter, and then it'll be zoomingout of a doorway, and because
the way the movie enters intothe story is by looking out at
the treehouse in the room whereall the miniatures, and then it

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zooms in into the miniatures,and then that's where the movie
starts taking place, and it'slike, well, what the fuck is
real here?
Um, but then like because ofthat, the entire time you're
watching, nothing feels real.

SPEAKER_02 (08:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (08:01):
At the same time.
And then there'll just be timeswhere it zooms out of a door,
and I'm like, is this theminiature house or is this real?

SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
Are we all inside of Annie's imagination all the
time?

SPEAKER_04 (08:11):
Is it just cutting from them doing like a zoom out
of a room through a miniatureand then kind of doing the
creative thing that they did atthe beginning and zooming into
another area where it's actuallythe real scene happening?
And it was just Moo did a goodjob at making you feel
uncomfortable 24-7.

SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
And I love when movies do this with like
sometimes they'll do it withdollhouses, you know, yeah and
things like that.
But I think this is the bestthat I've seen this type of
thing done.

SPEAKER_04 (08:42):
I mean, it's wild that this is Arias's first film.
Yeah.
It's just like, how did you justhow are you able to just do
this?
I get having the idea, and ofcourse, you have a whole cast
and crew that can help you pieceit together because it's no
movie is one man's likecreation.
It's and it's it's the wholelist of casting crew at the end

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of the movie.
But man, it is like everythingcame together just right.
And God bless A24, you know,they make some of the best and
stressful horror movies.
Um Ari Astor wanted to go forscares that were emotionally
justified rather than solelyleaning on traditional horror
jump scares.
And I believe he was verysuccessful.

SPEAKER_02 (09:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (09:25):
You know, I was thinking uh me and Natalie
talked afterwards, uh, becausewe watched Long Legs together
and Hereditary, and I asked her,I was like, which one do you
find better?
And like we couldn't reallyanswer.
Like, I think this is a bettermovie and better overall put
together.
I think so too.
But man, I've like I love thiswhen it came out, immediately

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bought it when I saw it.
Um, and then I never watched ituntil now.
And I think it's it's a moviethat's gonna be kind of hard for
me to go back to because itstresses me out so much.
Versus long legs, you know, Isaid it was like a a warm
blanket.
Hereditary is like a a like I'musing my favorite blanket, but
it's soaking wet.
And it's on fire.
Yeah, soaked in paint thinnerwhen you're holding a box of

(10:09):
matches.
It's like I'm glad I got myfavorite blanket, but I wish it
wasn't like covered in water orsomething or fire.
It's like I enjoy the situation.
It's too warm.
Yeah.
It's like this is the best way Ican explain it because it's just
like, ah, this is horror.
I'm living in horror, myfavorite genre.

(10:29):
So at around an hour and sixminutes, uh, to make the
chalkboard write on itself, thespecial effects team put a
magnet in the chalk and put amagnet on the other side of the
chalkboard to make the chalkmove.
It was very difficult to get asmall magnet inside the chalk
and make it right smoothly.
Coincidentally, the sametechnique was used in the film
version of Matilda.
Oh, yeah.
Um, and Mili Shapiro, who playsCharlie, starred as Matilda in

(10:53):
the Broadway musical.
A couple little fun things.
She's a scary little girl.

SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
Yeah.
It's uh she's always got thatdoomed look on her face.

SPEAKER_04 (11:04):
Yeah, she always looks like I'm walking to death.
And it's like, hey, can you canyou talk other than just click?
And then when she does talk, shesays the most messed up shit,
and it's like, never mind, don'ttalk anymore.
Just click.
It's makes those great littlewicker dolls.
Yeah.
And which turns out, I guess shewas just making little effigies
to Palomine.

(11:24):
Hell yeah.
And she didn't even know it.
I'm assuming that's somethinglike the grandmother taught her
or something.
Oh yeah, I bet.
Um, so the house was constructedcompletely on sets on a sound
stage in Utah in order to followAriaster's shot list.
They needed to be able to removewalls and ceilings in order to
shoot the rooms to look exactlylike the miniatures.
It's a badass house.
Yeah, it really does.
It looks great.

(11:45):
And there's fun little factswhen we go through the plot.
I will uh be like, hey, did younotice this?
Okay.
Uh when we get there.
That's why I kind of want to addthis in the notes, because um,
this movie's very similar toShining, where uh throughout the
movie they're showing you partsof the house, and you're like,
this doesn't physically makesense with how your house is set

(12:08):
up.
And there's a lot of times whereI felt like Peter's room is
switched, like it's on oppositesides of the house every once in
a while.
Like you'll see him coming fromthe room, and then you'll see
him go into a room and then heleaves and goes back into the
hallway, and you're like, wait,but I thought Peter's house was
over here.
And it's very it's kind of likeshining, where you're like, the

(12:31):
thing feels like it's realtrick.
It's just it's it just you'rementally subconsciously, you're
like, Wait, what's happening?

SPEAKER_00 (12:39):
Doesn't make you feel good.

SPEAKER_04 (12:41):
My point.
So confused.
Um uh so oh yeah, this is funjust because it's Halloween
season.
In uh Peter's first scene atschool, the words escaping fate
is on the chalkboard with theteacher discussing it.
This is a reference to Halloween1978, where the main characters
discuss the same thing in class.
Appropriately, this movie wasreleased also the same day as

(13:03):
the trailer of Halloween 2018.

SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
It's crazy.

unknown (13:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:07):
Always love that.
Love that when directors putthings from their favorite
movies in it.
Um, Errari Astor had originallywritten this film to be a
straight-up family drama dealingwith the grief and loss one
experiences with death of closefamily members, but Astor saw
the potential of turning thefilm into a horror story and
rewrote the script to what it isnow.
Had this remained a familydrama, Midsummer would have been

(13:28):
the first horror film like heinitially intended it to be.
Wild, because this one's wayscarier than Midsummer.

SPEAKER_00 (13:36):
Midsummer, I mean, they both have that that air of
being strange and and just Iguess the fear of strangeness.

SPEAKER_04 (13:47):
I don't know.
Have you seen Bo is Afraid?
No.
That's his third movie?
Bro, you think those these twomovies are scary strange?
Go watch Bo'fraid.
Oh yeah.
Fun thing with Bo That's Afraidis it's not really a horror
movie.
I mean, it it deals with likegrief and stuff like that, kind
of like both Midsummer andHereditary do.

(14:08):
But apparently that whole movie,um, Bo is Afraid, the story of
the movie isn't even in like thecharacter that we follow.
Like all the story for theuniverse, I guess, is all in the
background.
And Aryaster said, People don'teven know, haven't even found
out what the real story behindBo is Afraid is yet.

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And I'm like, I've only seen itonce because it's three fucking
hours because every movie isnow.
But I was like, wait, what?
How many times do I gotta watchBo is Afraid now?
Now you gotta figure it out.
It's also a very stressfulmovie.
It also has some like, I don'tknow, that movie's like
ingrained in my head from a lotof the visuals in that movie.
If you haven't seen Bone isAfraid, you should watch it.
It is a visual treat it out ofjust psychos everywhere.

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So uh Tony Collette, um, Annie,uh, probably gives like a
fucking Oscar-worthy performancein this movie.
She wasn't even nominated forit.
Yeah, she's been in like SixthSense and a lot of other
different movies.
Uh, the remake of Fright Knight,um, Krampus.
She's in Krampus, she's great atKrampus.
But she doesn't actually, shedoesn't like horror films, uh,

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which is what made her hesitantat first to act in this film.
The only reason she accepted herroles in Fright Knight and
Krampus were because she sawthem more as black comedies
rather than horror films.
But because she kind of sworeoff doing um horror movies after
a while, I think it's sixthsense, you know.
Probably just tired of like, youknow, this is really hard on me
as a human being to constantlyfeel stressed and emotional.

(15:40):
Um, but then she read the scriptof this and she said, Fuck, I
have to do it now.

unknown (15:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:46):
And she's amazing.
She has some of the best uh I amterrified faces.
Yeah.
Like, and it's always like it'sso good.
It's so good.
Um, and then uh the last thing Igot, and I just really liked the
way Ariaster put it.
So, one way that Ariasterpitched the film when he was
first taking it, uh, first likethinking about it, it says it's

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a story about a long-livedpossession ritual told from the
perspective of the sacrificiallambs.
Damn.
That's it.
That's hot.
That's everything I got.
That's hot.
Paris.
Thank you, Paris.
Um, all right, man.
I think we should just hop rightinto it.
I'm excited to talk about thismovie.
I've been excited since uh wefinished talking about long

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legs.

SPEAKER_02 (16:32):
Hell yeah, let's get into it.

SPEAKER_04 (16:35):
All right, but before we get into the plot,
remember, as we just go throughit, think about what the point
of the movie is.
Like or like if you didn't do itwhile you're watching it, like
think about what's the movietrying to say.
It's pretty obvious.
The title says it almost, butyou know, it was fun watching
this.
I watched it yesterday uh withmy wife, and you know, I just

(16:58):
kind of I felt like when Iwatched it the first time and
the second time, all I could seewas like what the point of the
movie is.
And this time for doing thenotes, I was like, what are they
what's the cult trying to do inthis movie?
Like, what's the wholesuccession of the cult?
Why are they all naked?
I felt like I was just, youknow, watching the first couple
times, I was just feeling whatthe movie was making me feel

(17:21):
instead of trying to piecetogether what the I mean, like I
got what the cult was doing, butI didn't try to like visually
like, all right, what are theydoing?
Pause it.
Okay, so this means this, thismeans this.
So that's that's another reasonwhy I really like this film.
You can watch it in both ways.
You can watch it as a familydrama or just a cult drama, and
it's kind of great or horror.

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Um but yes, so think about whatthe point of the movie is, and
we'll get into it.
Hereditary 2018 rated horror.
Nominated for no Oscars.
Bullshit.
This was the year Green Bookwon.
You're telling me Hereditarycouldn't be in there instead of
fucking Green Book.
Never saw a green book, but uh,so I guess I shouldn't have a
strong opinion.
I'm just mad that this moviewasn't nominated.

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Tony Clarette wasn't evennominated.
That's ridiculous.
Bullshit.
All right, anyways, hereditary.
So the story begins with aviewer looking out of the window
into uh from a workshop to atree house, then turning and
zooming into a bedroom in adollhouse that is in the
workshop that leads to an actualscene.
Fucking great.
Yeah.
Immediately good.

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Treehouse.
My dad walks in, you're like,shit.
It's like, wait, what?
Is this movie about dolls?
Um, also, wonderful tree house.
Crazy how scary it looks for me.
I don't know.
It's so such an ominoustreehouse.
It doesn't look like it's got alot of support.
Yeah, it doesn't look like thatit makes any sense of being
there.

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Which I think is the point.
Yeah.
Um, so Steve Graham wakes histeenage son Peter and
13-year-old daughter Charlie fortheir 78-year-old grandmother
Ellen Tapper Lee's funeral.
Steve finds Charlie sleeping inthe treehouse, and Annie, the
mother, is already waiting inthe car.
Weird to wake them up as you'reliterally needing to leave.
Yeah.
That was a bad plan.

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Really, when I watched it thesecond time, I was like, these
are bad parents, man.

SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
Maybe they just got up real early.
And she's just like, I'm gonnasit in the car for three hours.
She's gotta practice her speech.

SPEAKER_04 (19:15):
Also, I forgot.
I took a I forgot I took somepictures on my phones instead of
writing them down.
Uh, but yeah, it does start withan obituary that reads, uh Ellen
Tapper Lee, 78, passed awayafter a prolonged illness at her
daughter Annie's house on April3rd, 2018.
Beloved wife of the late MartinLee, R.I.P., devoted mother of

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Annie Lee Graham and the lateCharles Lee, R.I.P., cherished
grandmother of Peter Graham andCharlie Graham.
She is also survived by herson-in-law, Dr.
Stephen Graham.
She will be missed.
Love that.
That's all they have to say.
She will be missed.
It's like it just goes becauseit's a very weird obituary, not
to say like at least a couplesweet things about him, you

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know.
Well, maybe it sounds like theytried.

SPEAKER_00 (20:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (20:01):
Like devoted mother.

SPEAKER_00 (20:02):
Yeah, but it doesn't really sound like it.

SPEAKER_04 (20:04):
We don't really have much more.
I will miss her.
Um, so Annie, an artist whosculpts miniature dioramas,
delivers the eulogy at hermother's service.
Annie seems to not really likeher mother or even really
wanting to do the eulogy.
Charlie makes a like cluckingnoise, clicking noise.
I don't know how to explain it,but while drawing a strange
sketch sketch during the speech,Charlie visits Lee's caskets.

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She notices a necklace, and astrange man smiles at her.
Yeah, that was weird.
Sure, that won't come up later.
Sure, he won't end up naked inyour living room, smiling.
Um hope he does.
Yeah.
You know, and like wheneverwatching it for the second time,
you know, it kind of does thatzoom, or the where the guy's out

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of focus, then he's in focus,smiles at Charlie, and then
comes back.
Me and Nally turn to each otherlike I don't remember that.
Forgot about that, I guess.
Um and then uh they get home andAnnie is worried about the fact
that she isn't sad.
Yeah.
And there's nothing kind ofweirder than just being like,

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shouldn't I be more sad in a sadsituation?

SPEAKER_00 (21:11):
It's it's funny how people grieve differently.
Yeah.
Um I mean, I've been I've beenthere.
And uh I act I act super spryfucking strange whenever I
grieve.

SPEAKER_02 (21:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:23):
And it's different every time.
So like I don't know.
I get nervous.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:27):
Like going before funerals, especially if it's
like peop people like I knowlike are new a lot.
I kind of get there and I'm justlike I just get panicky a little
bit and it's weird.

SPEAKER_02 (21:40):
Sure.

SPEAKER_04 (21:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (21:41):
Makes more sense.
But it's normal.
And I think maybe she becauseshe isn't grieving.

SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
I know I had a cohesive thought there coming,
but it left me.

SPEAKER_01 (21:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:54):
Sorry.
Maybe we'll I'll remind her ofit.

SPEAKER_04 (21:56):
Um, but yeah, I do think it was like a really funny
scene because she comes home,it's like, should I be I'm not
really sad?
And it's like, oh yeah, that andthen it's a little funny because
a little later Peter's like,he's like, You all right, Peter?
It's like you're sad and youtalk about it.
He's like, eh.
Like nobody was really sad thatshe's gone.
She was obviously I thinkCharlie was a little bit.
Yeah, Charlie was, but that'sbecause uh reasons we'll find

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out later.
Don't know why I'm doing avoice.
Uh so Annie is working on herminiatures.
She has uh six and a half monthsto finish.
Annie talks to Charlie about ElEllen, or Lee.
I call her Lee the rest of thetime.
At bedtime that night, Charliemakes a lot of weird sculptures
out of trash, almost likeeffigies.
Charlie claims that hergrandmother always wished

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Charlie were were a boy.
To Annie's confusion, Charliealso wonders aloud who will take
who will take care of her nowthat uh Lee is dead.
Annie tells her she never criedas a baby.
Then Annie notices the wordSatoni written on the wall.

SPEAKER_00 (22:56):
I didn't know what I didn't notice that.
I saw her drawing it in herminute in her diorama later, but
I didn't.

SPEAKER_04 (23:01):
Yeah, uh there's like three or four times it like
zooms in on a word that's likescratched into the wall.
Yeah.
Um, and I forgot to put whatthose words mean in my notes,
and I apologize to everyone.
It's just weird cryptic satanicshit.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I have a big bull ofSatoni.

(23:24):
Yeah, man.
What a what a fucking this moviejust like will say things that
are traumatizing.
Like the who's gonna take careof me.

SPEAKER_00 (23:34):
Uh I think a lot of kids probably think about that.
Now that she's dead.

SPEAKER_04 (23:37):
It's just like you have three people in the house
with you, lady.
Yeah.
But it's just like, there'snothing probably worse to hear
than that.
Just like in um Annie's dream toPeter, where it's like, I didn't
even want you.
And it's like, man, imaginehearing that, right?
God damn.
Hey, and if you've heard thatfrom a parent, we want you.
So lit listen and follow andsubscribe.

(24:00):
Um safe space.
Yeah.
So Annie looks through some ofher mother's old things and
finds a book of spiritualism.
Then she finds a note that Jessewill read off his phone.
That was a reminder for me toread this note on a phone.
My darling, dear, beautifulAnnie, forgive me all the things

(24:22):
I could not tell you.
Please don't hate me and try notto despair your losses.
You will see in the end thatthey were worth it.
Our sacrifice will pale next tothe rewards.
Love, mommy.
Oh.
And it's funny because youthink, like, don't despair your
losses.
You're mean she thinks she'smeaning, oh, the fact that she
died.
No, it's the fact that you'rescrewed.

SPEAKER_00 (24:44):
It sounds kind of like those letters kids were
getting from their parentsbefore the rapture was supposed
to happen a couple days ago.
Oh, is that something that was Isaw some some people were
reading the notes off on TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 (24:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:54):
Because they were their parents were 100% sure
that they were gonna be liftedup into the sky naked.

SPEAKER_04 (25:03):
Guys, again, just if you're out here, you're
listening to this, and yourparents come up to you and say,
the rapture's happening.
Just be like, reread the Bible.
Come on.
Okay, it tells you you won'tknow.
Yeah.
So just, you know, tell themthat.
Tell them that they're bad atbeing religious if they don't

(25:23):
even know what the whole thingthey base their life is says.

SPEAKER_00 (25:29):
It works every time.

SPEAKER_04 (25:30):
Crazy.
Can't just pick and choose whatyou want to like listen to in
that book.
All right, guys.

SPEAKER_03 (25:37):
But, anyways.

SPEAKER_04 (25:40):
Annie, as she leaves her room, sees her dead mom
standing and smiling in thecorner of their room in the
dark, but she is gone when sheturns on the light.
Then Annie angrily turns a modelof her trying to breastfeed
Charlie, but her mother is alsotrying to get in on the action.
Oh man.
Fuck.
Could you imagine that?
Super straight.
It's like your wife's trying tobreastfeed your baby, and then
all of a sudden your like mothercomes in.

SPEAKER_03 (26:02):
Hey, let me get in part of this action.

SPEAKER_04 (26:04):
How about to say?

SPEAKER_03 (26:06):
If everybody's just doing it, why not, right?

SPEAKER_04 (26:11):
It's like, damn, Lee, you sound weird.
Oh man.
You got a demon inside you?
Yes.
Um, I love what this movie doeswith light, right?
I know we talked a little bitabout it before, but the
flickering of lights and thatthe fact that outside, it seems
that it works the same goingfrom night to day.
It's always like a flick of aswitch.

(26:31):
I love that.
It's beautiful, really cool.
It's maybe the greatest thingI've ever visually seen.
Because the outside, when itdoes the big views, and you're
like, is this miniature?
Is this the actual house orwhatever?
It kind of is.

SPEAKER_00 (26:44):
It's just right, because you're flicking on the
hallway light or the room light.
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (26:47):
And it's and it seems like that'd probably be
the easiest way to get thoseshots.
That's yeah, that's badass.
Beautiful, wonderful.
Hey, by the way, we like thismovie.
Um, so at school, Charlie getsin trouble for playing with her
sculpture.
A bird dies flying into one ofthe Charlie's classroom windows
at school.
It leaves the mark of payamon.

(27:08):
Really?
Yes.
I didn't notice that.
Um that's yeah, kind of cool.
Yeah, bro.
That fucking symbols everywhere.
Peter at school is staring at agirl's butt, and we learn he
likes to smoke weed.
Um, and a line from insideschool whenever they're talking
about like whatever subjectthey're on, the last thing we
hear is that um it's likeextremely hopeless because the

(27:32):
pawns are in this hopelessmachine.
Hell yeah.
Which is the family or a bunchof pawns in a hopeless machine.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Um, Charlie goes outside andcuts off the bird's head.
Yes.
When they're across the streets,like, hey Charlie, great job,
girl.
Ten out of ten head cutting off.

SPEAKER_00 (27:51):
Do you think she's gonna put it on one of her
little toys?
Yeah, she does.
Oh, oh, she does.
Yeah, she does it.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (27:56):
Yeah, they show it.
Oh wow.
Um, and then she draws, youknow, in the little book, a bird
with a crown on, which is theending of the movie.

SPEAKER_03 (28:03):
Sweet.

SPEAKER_04 (28:05):
Her bird's heads are falling off.
It's like if Charlie was thatlittle blind kid and Doma Domer,
she'd be like, this is exactlywhat I needed for my sculptor.

SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
Perfect.

SPEAKER_04 (28:16):
Um yeah.
Um yeah, I'll actually I'llbring that up later.
Okay, anyways, so Annie beginsresearching apparition
apparitions.
She notices her mom's room'sdoor is open and we see a
triangle triangle burnt into thefloor.
Uh Ariester loves triangles.
She loves shapes.
Yeah.
And this is something Ariester.

(28:37):
Well, I guess you know,triangles are inverted
triangles, things like that,like long legs.
Yeah.
Pentagrams are made out of twotriangles.
This slipped.
They love it.

SPEAKER_00 (28:47):
Um I love geometry too.

SPEAKER_04 (28:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:50):
When you can get a shape to equal out to 180
degrees.
Oh.
Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_04 (28:56):
Put your pants back on.
God.
Um, and then yeah, Stevereceives word from the cemetery
that Ellen's grave was dis uhdesecrated, but he decides not
to tell his wife.

SPEAKER_00 (29:13):
That's a weird thing not to talk about.
Probably should have told herthough.
She's I mean, she is grieving.
Just for weird.

SPEAKER_04 (29:19):
Yeah, but you know, it's just like it would have
helped for later on in themovie.
It's because there's also likelittle secrets they're all kind
of keeping from each other.
Yeah, that's kind of and itimplodes kind of towards the end
because Steve never believesAnnie and Annie can't get Steve
to believe her anymore.

SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
Yeah, that's lack of communication.
He's trying to keep her fromhaving an an episode that she's
kind of prone to having.

SPEAKER_04 (29:42):
Yeah, because heredit the hereditary genes
that he thinks like runs throughthis family, and he's like,
shit, I gotta be careful aroundthese people.
We'll bring it up atThanksgiving.
Yeah.
The ice storm takes place duringThanksgiving.
Uh, you guys are probablywondering why did he say that?
You'll find out at the end.
Um Yeah, so Annie tells Steve heshe is going to a movie, but

(30:03):
actually attends a griefcounseling support group when
she sees more secrets, which isgonna cause problems later.

SPEAKER_00 (30:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (30:10):
Well, I think it's just I don't know.
I it it's obviously she'suncomfortable about showing
emotions because she's scaredthat she might be like her
mother and her mother beforethat.
For sure.
Yeah.
When she arrives at the meeting,it is dark outside.
Annie openly discloses hermother's mental health issues,
including the dissociativeidentity disorder or and

(30:31):
dementia, which all led Annienot to be close with her.
She explains that Lee's husbanddied of starvation because of
his psychosis.
Um, and her son killed himselfbecause Lee was putting people
in him.
All this is actually just theoutcome of rituals she's been
performing.

SPEAKER_00 (30:46):
Damn.
So yeah.
Wait, how do we know that?

SPEAKER_04 (30:49):
Uh just based off what I think the whole ritual to
bring Pi uh Paymon back.
Right.
I guess.
Because they need a male host.
Oh, right.
Um, the kid says, My mom'strying to put people in me.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, and I think that's not thenormal way.
And then as we see through this,um the demon or the key one of

(31:13):
the kings of hell uh kind ofjust drives people crazy.
Yeah.
As it kind of is doing to Peterto weaken them.
So I think all it was doing isuh the demon was weakening both
of them and it to the pointwhere the husband was like, I'm
just gonna die of starvation,and then it was obviously gonna
be put in the sun, and he's justlike, Mom's trying to make me a
demon.
I'm gonna die instead.

(31:33):
They were weak.
So yeah, that's our first uh butthe movie is so good because we
don't really know any of thisshit yet, right?
We don't know if there's a cultor anything, so it just sounds
like oh, this is what she'sworried about.
She's worried about she's gonnabe like her mother.
Yeah.
Um that'd be terrifying.

SPEAKER_03 (31:49):
Danny, you don't have to worry.

SPEAKER_04 (31:51):
It's not quite what you think yet.
Um but yeah, I love this, andthis is why this movie is so
beautiful upon a second watch,because you start clicking some
of these things like, oh shit,no, this is just a failed
attempt at a first ritual.

SPEAKER_00 (32:05):
Um fun.
Went right over my head though.
Yeah.
I really like it.

SPEAKER_04 (32:09):
Did the first time for me too.

SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
Do we talk about the part when the Annie's on the
phone with saying that she's oh,we talked about she's got six
months, right?
But then they said they wanted asome of a like a picture of what
she's got so and she makes aminiature display of her
miniature displays.
Yeah.
It's like what?
It's like what was that moviewith a dream without a dream

(32:34):
with a dream?
Exception?

SPEAKER_04 (32:36):
Yeah.
It's kind of well, she'sfollowing it's it's wild because
you know, she doesn't reallyhave this um well, I mean, she
may there may be some like uhpsychosis issues within her
family, but it's like, is thecult shit just making her go
further and further into it fromall the stress and not talking
about how she actually feels?

(32:57):
Um or is it just like, I don'tknow, this is where coping with
her issues.
Because like when she's lookingup apparitions, she literally
starts painting a laptop withlike the apparitions paper like
page, and it's like, what areyou doing?
You're just creating things now.
That's awesome.
Like you should just finish thisthing, it seems pretty big and
nice.
Like, I think you've done it.
Um, but anyways to continue.

(33:18):
Charlie's no, you're fine.
No, don't apologize.
This is the whole point is ustalking.
So Charlie sees a strange lightin her bedroom.
Payment, payment.
So uh yeah, and it's justbecause it you see kind of like
it's almost like a lens flare,and then all of a sudden it
covers the whole thing, and thenshe's like, wait, what just
happened?
And then you see like the littlelight shining on the wall and it

(33:40):
goes to the window.
It's like, go outside.

SPEAKER_00 (33:44):
Like a shiny in a video game telling you which way
to go.

SPEAKER_04 (33:46):
Right.
But it's just so great becauseyou know, it's the first time
you're kind of seeing somethinglike, oh, there's like ghost
shit.
Well, like, oh, something's likein control here.

SPEAKER_00 (33:57):
Yeah, something, yeah, there's something smart.

SPEAKER_04 (34:01):
Trying to do something for these people.
And it's just a great first wavebeing like, all right, I don't
know what's gonna happenanymore.
Because you think it's justgonna be a ghost story about
grief, and then it becomes nope,something weird's there's a
little bit extra to this all ofa sudden.
Um and it's fun.
I love when just because thisone little thing opens up the
entire movie to likepossibilities are endless now.

(34:23):
Which you could say that's whatthe mother thing is in the
corner, but you know, it couldjust be a ghost story, right?
But instead, yeah, I mean it's ademon story.

SPEAKER_00 (34:32):
I've I've I've had like really crazy dreams about
people who had just died, youknow.
And then I'd never have themagain.
So it's just that grief, Iguess.

SPEAKER_04 (34:42):
Yeah, it's just like that subconscious of like, you
need to feel this, so I'm gonnamake you think about it and
through a dream.

SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
Your brain is not your friend.

SPEAKER_04 (34:49):
Yeah.
It's like, oh, do you thinkyou're gonna have a good day
tomorrow?
Go to sleep and see whathappens.
Um, so gallery owner SylviaArcher contacts Annie about the
progress of her works, whichinclude a piece featuring Ellen.
They want a picture.
Peter asks his mother if he cango to a party where he hopes to
see Bridget, the girl that he'sstaring at the butt at a butt, a

(35:10):
classmate he is interested in.
Annie asks Peter if he invitedhis sister to go with him since
he claimed it was a partyrelated to their school.
She seems very combative towardsher son for no reason.
Uh, really doesn't seem to likehim.
So I think Ariaster has somefeelings about his mother.
You think so?

(35:30):
Watchbo is afraid.
Okay.
Definitely something about hismother in his past.
Or maybe not.
Maybe he's just like he justknows that that's a thing that
kids go through in their lives,like you know, relationships
with the parents, and it'susually sad as it is, we always
blame our mother for everything,right?
Um but yeah, because I feellike, especially in this movie,

(35:53):
it's like the mother, like Anniejust is always so rude to Peter.
And it's to the point where I'mlike, Ari, you got something to
work out with your mother inthese movies?
Family therapist.
Yeah.
I put that later in my notes.
Like, family therapy, guys.
It's all you need to do.
Um yeah, so yeah, she justdoesn't really seem to like them

(36:14):
that much.
Definitely um, we'll figure outa little uh reasons later.
But so Charlie experiences avision of her grandmother
surrounded by fire.
Charlie makes her clucking noisewhen she's shaken out of her
trance.
Charlie tells Annie that shewants Lee.
Annie forces Peter to takeCharlie with him to the party,
even though she doesn't want togo.

(36:35):
It's like, do you think she justuh wants them gone?
Just like, I give me a night, Igotta work on this project,
right?

SPEAKER_00 (36:40):
I think maybe.
Or maybe she just wants becauseCharlie's pretty strange.
She's probably gonna have a lotof friends.
So she's just maybe she'sworried about her friends.

SPEAKER_04 (36:51):
I don't know.
A part of me is just like itreally just feels like she
doesn't want any of the kids inher house.
She's just like she ignores themalmost.

SPEAKER_00 (36:58):
And like this this uh Peter is so much older, like
those kids are gonna be his age.
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 (37:05):
And there's just like this whole thing where it
just seems like anytime she'stalking to any of the kids, it's
always just like, ugh, stopdoing this, stop doing that,
stop doing this, which I meanmaybe that is being a parent.

SPEAKER_00 (37:17):
She kind of flipped out on Charlie for going outside
without shoes.

SPEAKER_04 (37:21):
And which both times that I watched it, but today
when I was doing my notes forit, I was like, it must be
really cold where they're at.
There are they're in Utah, yeah.
So I'm assuming it's freezing.
But I was like, She's alright.
She ain't gonna fucking die forbeing outside for five minutes.
Jeez, I've been outside tons oftimes without my shoes in the
house.
Um, so here we go.

(37:41):
Ready?
Um, as they're getting ready forthe party, we see the pole in
the broad daylight.
Yeah.
There's a symbol of the mother'snecklace on the pole.
It's the symbol of Paymon.
Nice paymon.
Say it again for me.
Paymon?
Paymon.
I keep wanting to make it aPokemon.
Paymon.
Um, so they arrive at the party,Charlie and Peter.
We see an atom bomb of nutsbeing chopped up.

(38:05):
They're like cuts students' likeenormous fucking pile of nuts.
And I'm like, turn to Natalie,I'm like, damn, they got an
atomic bomb for Charlie.

SPEAKER_00 (38:14):
She shouldn't even be in that room.

SPEAKER_04 (38:15):
Yeah, she's probably already like just walking in.
Um, Peter blows off Charlie sohe can smoke weed with Bridget
and their friends is a greatawkward, like, oh, is it a good
party?
And he's like, Why do you wantto come?
He's like, I was thinking aboutit.
It's kind of a little charmingand awkward at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 (38:31):
That was funny whenever he's trying to get her
alone, and she and then she'slike, Yeah, let's go to the back
room with the ball.
And there's two other people.

SPEAKER_04 (38:39):
He's got weed.
It's so great.
Um, and he tells his sister,he's like trying to get rid of
her, and it's like, hey, look,there's cake.
Go get some cake.
I just want to smoke with thishot girl.
That's all he's trying to do,right?
Um and then, like, so Charliegoes to eat the chocolate cake
containing a substance to whichshe's allergic to.
Nuts.
All the nuts.
Thousands of nuts.

(39:00):
Charlie begins choking as sheexperiences an anaphylactic sh
reaction.
She waits too long to tellPeter, though.

SPEAKER_00 (39:06):
Um, and then like she does try to call him twice
while he's in the room.

SPEAKER_04 (39:11):
Well, that was mom.
That was mom, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 (39:13):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (39:14):
It said mom on it.
Oh, maybe.
I thought it was her.
I think it was like probablycalling to be like, hey, y'all
okay?

SPEAKER_00 (39:18):
We're going to make sure your sister's not eating
anything.
We're going to bed.

SPEAKER_04 (39:21):
Uh, why she didn't have her little EpiPen?
No idea why they didn't forceher to bring it.
Again, Annie is not the bestmom.

SPEAKER_00 (39:30):
Well, say they also say that like they they say
earlier that they don't have anEpiPen.
Like they haven't replaced it.

SPEAKER_04 (39:36):
They went to the funeral and she's eating a
chocolate bar and the dad comesup, it's like, does that have
nuts on it?
And then Annie's like, Does thathave nuts?
We didn't bring the EpiPen.
It's like they're constantly notprepared to take care of these
children.
Yes.
Right.
Um But yeah, and so while uhCharlie's going through it in
the kitchen or whatever, um,Bridget starts talking about the

(39:59):
sister, uh Charlie, and she'slike, Hey, your sister's weird.
She drew pictures of me and shemade me look uh mentally
challenged.
He's like, ah, that's justthat's Charlie for you.
That's what she does.
Um, and then the mom calls, andthen Bridget gives a weird look
to Peter.
I think Bridget might be in thecult.

(40:20):
Hell yeah.
Because there's also this weirdlook that he she gives him, like
in the classroom when he gets introuble.
It looks like it could be one ofthose looks like, hey, you you
got caught or whatever, but it'sher facial expression's weird,
right?

SPEAKER_00 (40:33):
That is kind of strange.

SPEAKER_04 (40:34):
Because he was just on her phone and she didn't
catch him looking at her butt.
So I was like, is this weirdthing with it?
She does have a necklace on.
I couldn't really tell what itwas.

SPEAKER_00 (40:43):
I thought it was kind of a like, I thought you
were smarter than that.
You know, because she gave likea really good answer to the
question.
And then he's just like, What?
Yeah, he's like, 'cause he's onhis phone.

SPEAKER_04 (40:53):
But I don't know.
There's this look that he givesPeter when she's like, he's
looking at the phone, and it'sjust like this weird stare into
his eyes, like soul almost.
So I'm like, Gonna get you.
And as we'll figure out,everything has been planned for
this family's demise.
And I'm like, well, so theythere's there's the little sigil

(41:13):
on the pole that her head'sgonna get hit on.
He had to have a reason to cometo this party.
He gets a text saying, bringyour dick to this party because
uh potential for having sex withBridget, I would assume.
Yeah.
So I would assume that Bridgetis a part of this.

SPEAKER_00 (41:28):
Well, no, she wasn't the one chopping.

SPEAKER_04 (41:30):
But she is sitting alone talking to no one on a
couch, perfectly visible to theentrance of when they walk in.
It feels like a setup.
Yes, like this whole party feelslike a weird setup.
Yeah.
So I'm like, how many people areand a lot of flannel at this
party?
I don't know.
Like all the people in the roomare wearing flannel, it's
probably very or the two girlsare in the room.

(41:52):
So it seems like maybe this is acult thing, like set up by a
cult.
Um weird to have that many nuts,man.
That's a weird pile of nuts tohave in the house, right?
Just chopping it up for at ahigh school party.
To make a cake for everyone.
Did you think that, like, oh,have you ever been to have you
been to a high school partywhere everybody's like, bring

(42:13):
all the nuts you got?

SPEAKER_03 (42:14):
Chop them up.

SPEAKER_04 (42:15):
No, it was your your entrance fee for the party.
Never been to a party wherethere's a giant pile of nuts.
It's a trad wife party.
The only time I've been to aparty where there's a ton of
nuts is when there's a cultaround.
When it's a sausage party?
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, I think like thisis kind of this whole scenario's
been set up and planned.
Um yeah.

(42:36):
Uh yeah.
That's what I wanted to sayabout Bridget.
So um Charlie comes in and islike, can't breathe, dude.
And so he like picks her up andoh, so fucking this is a crazy
scene.
Buzzkill.
Peter carries his sister to hiscar and rushes her towards the
hospital along a dark countryroad.
Charlie sticks her head out ofthe the window in an effort to

(42:59):
breathe better.
Peter swerves the void of a deadanimal on the road.
Charlie is decapitated when herhead violently hits a utility
pole.
Yes.
And Peter just sits and staresin shock in his car.
The first time I watched it.
Well, let me go through this.
Peter drives home in a calmdaze.
Annie comes outside when it'slight outside and is horrified

(43:22):
to find her daughter's headlessbody far back seat, cut to
detapated head, and Anniegrieving loudly and wanting to
die while Peter is outside theroom.
This scene fucking flipped myshit.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:35):
It's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (43:37):
Because not only the stress of just hearing and
seeing this like young like kid,it's heartbreaking and seeing
how scared he is.
He's like, shit, she shouldn'thave been at this party.
I shouldn't have been in likethe I shouldn't had to supervise
her.
She shouldn't have been here.
She's not the same age as thesekids.
And then she sticks your headout the window, and you're like,
shit, don't fall out the window.

(43:58):
Oh, didn't know our head wasgonna come completely off.
But then to make everything somuch worse, he just keeps
driving.
Yeah.
He gets out.
First time I watch it, I'm like,what are you doing?
Say something, do something.
Then it cuts to her.
You hear them downstairs, like,oh, I'm gonna go do this.

SPEAKER_00 (44:15):
That was the most stressful.

SPEAKER_04 (44:16):
And then she starts screaming.
Yeah.
And he's just like he starts tosqueeze onto his pillow and is
just like, I want to die myselfright now.
I'm so stressed out.
It's fucking good.

SPEAKER_00 (44:31):
It was crazy how uh how they captured like the just
being in shock.
Yeah.
Um that was one of the that wasawesome.

SPEAKER_04 (44:40):
It it may it makes me realize I've never been in
shock.

SPEAKER_00 (44:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:43):
Well you might have.
Well, like a little bit when Igot mugged, which I've said
before.
There's a bit of shock because Ididn't know what was going on.
But I mean, damn, I didn't see adecapitated head.
Didn't see a head fly off.
I don't know what I'd do inthat.
I'd probably just scream, I'dlike to think, but I don't know.
Maybe this would be me be like,maybe I get out of car and just
walk till I'd somewheredifferent.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (45:04):
It's like when when I was a kid, I broke my glasses
and tried to glue them together.
I was really scared my parentsare gonna find out.
God, so much.
Maybe he should have tried to,you know.
Glue her head back together.

SPEAKER_04 (45:13):
Yeah, just puts her head back on, leans her up in
the seat, drives home.
Mom comes out, like, it's like,mom, she loved doing this with
birds.
Great scene.
Makes you hurt inside.

SPEAKER_00 (45:27):
Yeah, and she's really good at when she's
screaming, crying.

SPEAKER_04 (45:32):
Yeah, which is something that they also do in
midsummer, whenever you know,like the whole cult is with
Danny, like and everybody startscrying with her, and it's like
so supportive.
Yeah, it's just it's a great wayto, I guess, get rid of grief.
Next time someone dies in mylife, I'm gonna be just a
screaming cry.

(45:53):
So the family holds a funeralfor Charlie.
Steve walks through the houseand we see a word written in
their bedroom.
Zazoz.
Zazoz?
Z-A-Z-A-S.
Zazoo! Zazaz.
Zazoz.
Sounds like a Star Warscharacter.
But a Star Wars character wouldbe saying.
Um, so Peter getting ready uhfor bed notices a red light

(46:15):
coming from the treehouse.
Steve then looks throughCharlie's sketchbooks of
drawing.
Got a bird with a crown on it.

SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
Oh yeah.
The the red, the bright redlight coming out is so cool.
I know the ominous.
I want like that.

SPEAKER_04 (46:26):
I want that just that frame uh framed on my wall.
I want like a picture of thatframed.
Just because it it's it's soscary, but also comforting.
It's weird.
I just like that shot.
And then whenever it cuts toPeter, you see the red in his
eyes from the thing.
And it's like, oh, justbeautifully shot, movie.

(46:48):
Um then we see the red light isAnnie sleeping with heaters on.
Peter at school has visions ofCharlie at school.
He then experiences a panicattack while smoking marijuana,
but more like he's having anallergic reaction before biking
home from school.
Peter arrives at home in thedark in uh the dark and is
hesitant to go inside becausehe's scared to face.
I'm assuming his mother at thispoint.

(47:09):
Annie grieves alone whilesitting in the car in the
driveway.
So, smoking marijuana and thenstart having a panic attack.
At first I thought it was apanic attack, but then I think
uh maybe there's like a littlebit of like the possession thing
kind of happening to where orhe's just like grieving through
her by having the feeling of histhroat closing up, kind of like
that's the way she died.

(47:29):
Yeah, maybe because he startedlike being like my throat, and
it's like, oh shit.
He's kind of experiencing griefthrough.

SPEAKER_00 (47:36):
Yeah, and it just kind of hits when grief hits you
like real hard.
Yeah.
Maybe that's what it was.

SPEAKER_04 (47:41):
And I feel like because he's constantly thinking
about I should have been payingattention, otherwise, she
wouldn't have gone inanaphylactic shock.
Think he's probably and he'sgetting high, so he's now maybe
hallucinating that his throat isclosing up himself.
Very smart, very fun.
Uh, don't smoke weed when you'rethat paranoid and scared.

SPEAKER_00 (47:57):
I love how his friend was like, just hold my
hand.

SPEAKER_04 (48:00):
Well, no, he said that to his friends, like, let
me hold your hand.
And it's kind of like a sweetlittle moment, and the guy lets
him, and it's like, uh, there isone part in this where I kind of
wish we had a little bit morewith some of the students around
him because they don't he justkind of goes back to school and
it's like, Did you take any timeoff for school?
Since you know, seems like you'dtake some direct.

(48:23):
Maybe don't go to school.
Yeah, I can't.
I take a couple days off.
I take the rest of the semesteroff.
So Annie drives the griefsupport group meeting again, but
decides to turn around whilestill in the parking lot.
It is dark when she arrives.
However, before Annie can leave,fellow group member Joan spots
Annie and stops her to talk.
After hearing about Charlie'sdeath, Joan confides in Annie

(48:45):
about the loss of her own childand grandson.
Joan gives her a number so shecan call if she needs to.
Tony Collette is great in thisscene.
Yeah.
Because she's like, I don't wantto be here.
I don't want to talk to you.
My daughter died.
And then she says, Yeah, my sondied too, drowning with the
grandson who's only seven.
She's like, What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 (49:04):
It's like competition, Joan.

SPEAKER_04 (49:06):
I know, but it works.
The conversation works.
Like Joan knew, like, oh shit,she needs someone that's
experienced a similar thing.

SPEAKER_00 (49:15):
So do you think Joan killed her kids too?
I think it's completely made up.

SPEAKER_04 (49:20):
Yeah, I don't think it's a real story at all.
Joan's a big fat liar.
Might as well come to find outlater.
So uh later, uh yeah.
When Annie returns home, Stevemakes a pass at her, like in
bed, puts her arm on hershoulder.
I think it's a pass.

SPEAKER_00 (49:39):
I think he's just trying to comfort her.

SPEAKER_04 (49:40):
Like I don't the more I've rewatched it, the more
I think he's like, he's wantingsome intimacy back.
But possibly.
Because I don't know how muchtime has passed at this point.
Uh but Annie rebuffs him becauseas soon as he she he puts his
hand on her shoulder, she's likeShe kind of cringes a little
bit.
Yeah, she's like, don't try thisnow.
And it's like, hey man, I don'tknow if you ever get to have sex

(50:01):
anymore after what's happened toCharlie, right?
And she saw that.
I think you gotta wait a coupleyears for you have sex again at
that point.
Go to therapy, maybe.
I don't know.
Um, Annie sleeps in thetreehouse.
Peter hears Charlie's cluckingnoise and sees what he thinks is
a vision of her of his deadsister in his room, but it
appears to just be his ownhoodie in the corner.

SPEAKER_00 (50:21):
Yeah, I thought it was her too.

SPEAKER_04 (50:22):
Yeah.
I was like, is she like slouchedover and that's the back of her
hair?
And it's like, I think it's justa hoodie.
So Annie visits Joan at Joan'sapartment, and he tells Joan
about a sleepwalking incident inwhich she dowels Peter and
Charlie and herself from head totoe and paint thinner for waking
up to find herself preparing tolight a match.
From her body language, Annieimplies that the matches were in

(50:43):
her left hand and a can of paintthinner in her right.
Annie explains that herrelationship with her children
were never the same afterwards.
So I think this is subconscioussubconsciously trying to save
the family for what's about tohappen at a younger age, right?
I thought yeah, because killingthem would not allow the pain

(51:03):
that they're about to go throughand you know the possession of
both her kids essentially.

SPEAKER_00 (51:08):
And maybe that's what happened to Joan's kids if
she wasn't lying.

SPEAKER_04 (51:11):
Yeah, because they're like they felt like they
knew what was going on, so theydecided to kill themselves.
Or she's a big fat liar.

unknown (51:18):
Damn it.

SPEAKER_04 (51:18):
All these liars.
So um, but yeah, another greatscene.
Tony Collette does deliversmonologues like she's just been
fucking doing it since she cameout the womb.
She's like, she's a professionalactress here.
She's so good at just making youhurt, man.
It's great.
She does the same thing in thesixth sense.
Yeah.

(51:39):
Every time she talks, you'relike, oh, it hurts to hear the
things you have gone through.
Um, I don't know, but I lovethis whole scene about the
sleepwalking.
Because at first I was like,damn, she got some problems.
And now I'm like, you know,actually, it'd probably have
been better if they just allburned right then and there.
Which Paimon uses to uh thatinformation a little bit later,

(51:59):
though.
So nice.
Steve finds Annie constructing adisturbing diorama of the scene
where Charlie died.
Steve is worried if Peter seesthis.
I don't know.
Think about your fucking son,Peter.
Probably doesn't want to seesomething he did like this
again.
Uh Annie doesn't care though,and Steve is getting frustrated
at how distant Annie is and herstrange behavior.

(52:21):
Because I mean if Peter walkedin and be like, Cool, Mom.
Obviously, I'm totally fine andthis isn't something that I'm
dealing with.
But yeah, let's just make it apart of your collection here.
But also maybe a way of herfighting through her grief.

SPEAKER_00 (52:36):
I think that's yeah, that's what I thought too.
Because she did feel betterafter making it.
Yeah.
A little bit.
Seems maybe kind of maybe she'sjust sinking deep.

SPEAKER_04 (52:44):
But I think maybe all the discussions with Joan,
it's like, oh, this is making mefeel better.
Maybe let's do a little bit moreof this, right?
Yeah, a little artisticexpression.
Maybe just don't make it asbloody as it was then, though.
You know, maybe pretty rad.
Yeah, pretty great.
Pretty much.
Hey Annie, if you're gonna ifyou're gonna sell that, you
know, maybe that would bebadass.

SPEAKER_00 (53:05):
And like all of these, like with her ghost mom
in the hallway.
Yeah, like her son beheaded onthe bed.
Like I would I'd love aminiature of this house.

SPEAKER_04 (53:16):
Or at least even just a miniature of the outside
and with the tree house, itwould be dope to have in the
house.

SPEAKER_00 (53:21):
Yeah, that'd be a fucking great exhibit.

SPEAKER_04 (53:24):
Yeah.
So Steve, Annie, and Peter havean awkward dinner.
Peter compliments the food, andAnnie makes a comment under her
breath.
Peter asks if anything is on hermind.
Annie goes the fuck off becauseof years of holding in her anger
at her son, Peter.
She blames her son for Charlie'sdeath, and she's mad that he
hasn't said I'm sorry, becauseshe wanted, she was thinking,

(53:44):
man, I wish something good couldhave at least come from this,
that we could all have beencloser as a family instead of
being driving them apart evenmore.
Um, and then because it's greatbecause you know, Peter's like,
Do you have anything you want tosay, mom?
And then she immediately islike, What the fuck did you say
to me?
He's like, just say it.
It's like, I've been trying totell you, but you always sneer

(54:06):
at me.
He's like, I don't fuckingsneer.
What are you talking about?
I'm a teenager, mother.
Help me out here.
God, you tried to burn me aliveat one point.
What do you want me to do here?
And then she's like, I'll tell,don't.
And then he like kind of cussesat her.
He's like, Don't cuss at yourmother.
And it's like, you know, I getyou're mad, but this isn't gonna
help.
Um, and then, you know, goesoff.

(54:29):
It's like, uh, you know, family,we could have been sorry.
And then she sits down, andPeter's like, he went from being
mad at his mom to like scared,to then being like, Oh yeah?
Why did she fucking have to go,mom?
Yeah, she didn't want to go.
It's your fault.
I didn't want her to go.
You just didn't want her aroundfor a night.
And look what happened.
You didn't want to be the adultand take care of your daughter.

(54:52):
I had to be.
But he also lied about it notbeing like a party with drugs
and alcohol and stuff like that.
But hey, your daughter's youngerthan your son.
And you know by a large margin.
He obviously just wants to goand talk to girls.
Don't bring a little sister, youknow?
Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (55:10):
And then the father's like, everybody got to
get stop.

unknown (55:14):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (55:16):
And then she walks off because she's pissed.
And then I put my notes.
Therapy.
Go to therapy.

SPEAKER_00 (55:22):
As a family, little birdie calling.

SPEAKER_04 (55:28):
Long legs walks in.
Guys, y'all got a problem here.
Even the devil's talking aboutour feelings.
The devil's getting stressed outhere.
Put my long legs on for this.
Mommy!

unknown (55:40):
Daddy.

SPEAKER_04 (55:42):
So Annie runs into Joan at an art supply store.
Joan excitedly explains to Anniethat she attended an open seance
that changed her skepticismabout uh psychics.
Joan tells Annie that a mediumwas able to conjure her dead
grandson Lewis and taught Joanhow to conduct a seance as well.
And if you notice in the back inher car, Joan has a chalkboard
in the trunk that is unopened.

SPEAKER_00 (56:03):
Oh, because she's yeah, so it is a huge lie.

SPEAKER_04 (56:06):
Yeah, it's all a lie.
Because she was preparing tobring all this stuff there to be
like, yeah, and I had thischalkboard at home that I use.
Like, nope, chalkboard's in theback seat.
Damn it.
That's why it's perfectlyinframed.
I just already asked her, it's agod dang genius.
Also, what I love about this is,you know, once you learn Joan is
uh part of this cult, if younotice like her body language

(56:26):
towards Annie is she never isallowing her to walk away or
leave.
She's constantly grabbing herduring this scene.
And it's kind of the same way inthe car where she won't stop
grabbing onto the car.
She won't let the car go.
She just keeps holding on to it.
Same way in this.
She's every time Annie kind ofmoves a little bit, she like
pulls her back.
And which is just a nightmare.

(56:47):
And oh man.
Because people do that at workwhere they like to talk real
close, and then I kind of moveand they get closer, and I'm
like, Oh god.
And we know who we're talkingabout.

SPEAKER_03 (56:56):
We both know who we're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 (56:59):
And if they're listening, they'd be like, I
wonder who they're talkingabout.

SPEAKER_00 (57:01):
Well, I'll have like my earbud in one ear, so I'll
turn my good my open ear.

SPEAKER_04 (57:06):
And they turn to the other ear.

SPEAKER_00 (57:07):
Yeah, they keep going.
I'm like, uh we just turn incircles.
Yeah.
So fucking weird.

SPEAKER_04 (57:14):
But a lot of those people that do that do not have
a sense of boundaries.
And it's something we talkabout.
Their lack of sense ofboundaries.
Yes.
Um, so yeah, then Joan invitesAnnie over to witness a seance
firsthand.
Joan seemingly makes contactwith Lewis, who uses a glass and
a chalkboard to communicate.
Joan assures Annie that she uhshe can conduct a similar

(57:35):
conjuring herself by using apersonal item from the deceased,
reciting a cryptic incantationand making sure that her entire
family is in the house duringthe summoning.
Annie hears a clucking soundwhile driving home afterwards
and freaks out.
Great scene.
So fun.
It's a little spoopy.
Very spooky.
Especially when like the windblows in her face, because you

(57:56):
know that's either I'm assumingthat's the demon just going,
It's the devil.
Just blowing in her face.
And like the the slight movementof the glass and the chalk, and
it's like, it's so perfect.
That's so cool.
And it's even better that it waspractical effects.
It wasn't fucking fake.
So great.
And it's obviously Paymon doingit.

(58:18):
It's no Luis or anything becauseas we learned, Jones is a big
fat liar.
So Annie wakes that night tofind a swarm of ants leading to
Peter's dead body.
Fun! Annie wakes from asleepwalking trance over her
son's bed, prompting aconversation with Peter.
Peter asks why Annie isseemingly scared of him.
Annie involuntarily confessesthat she never wanted Peter's at

(58:40):
a Peter to be Peter's motherimmediately grasped her face.
And it's like, when thathappened, I was like, shit.
Well, I don't know what the nextmorning's gonna look like.
But then we'll figure out.
Um, and tried to have amiscarriage.
Her mother pressured her intohaving a kid.
Annie suddenly wakes to discovershe was experiencing a vision
within a vision.
Yeah, that was cool.
Um but it happens once becauseeither like yelling at each

(59:05):
other, and then you see Peter'ssoaking wet, and then we're
like, Annie's soaking wet, andthen the flames come up, and
then she wakes up and it'sgreat.
Yeah.
Um, and the scared face Anniehas where she's like, it's so
funny.
It's kind of comical.
It is a little bit, but it'salso scary.
Yeah.
There's an she does another facewhenever her husband catches on

(59:26):
fire.
But the funniest part of thismovie is Peter in the basement
yeeting himself out of a window.
Because this is like you see acultist and you're like, I'm out
of here.
Yeah, we'll get there though.
So Annie recites Joan'sincantation with Charlie's
sketchbook while Steve and Peterare asleep, claiming she
summoned Charlie.
Annie excitedly wakes herhusband and son for another

(59:47):
seance.
She starts the seance after muchconvincing.
Because Steve's like, What arewe doing?

SPEAKER_00 (59:52):
Wake up in the middle of the night.
We're talking to ghosts.

SPEAKER_04 (59:54):
Yeah, it's like, hey, you know, you could have
maybe just waited until theywoke up in the morning, acted
less Uh hysterical.
Yeah.
And she was just really excited.
She's excited.
She's excited.
She's like, hey, we can talk toCharlie.
And it's just like, Are you sureyou want to do that?
Poor Steve.
Yeah.
So she starts the seance aftermuch convincing.

(01:00:16):
The glass moves, but it doesn'tseem to move as you know, as
nicely and as slightly as it didat Jones.
Annie tries to get Charlie towrite in her sketchbook, but it
doesn't do it.
And then like a cabinet glassbreaks, and the candle like
blasts up.
Steve's like looks under thetable, like, what the I don't

(01:00:36):
know how to explain this.
Okay.
And then and then this is alsowhere we get Peter's being like,
it feels like the air isconstricting around us and stuff
like that.
And he's getting like superscared.
Yeah.
He's becoming childlike scaredalmost.
He's crying.
Fucking stop.
He's also the one that convincedSteve to do the thing.

(01:00:58):
And I think he was doing it forhis mother.
Oh, yeah.
It seemed like Peter's like, lether do this.
She obviously needs this.
And it's like, Annie, it's real.
He loves you.
Like he this is he's wanting tohelp you cope with shit.
Um, yeah.
Then the cabinet breaks, andthen Charlie seemingly becomes
possessed by Annie.
That was cool.
Or Annie becomes possessed byCharlie because he's like, ooh.

(01:01:19):
And as Steve's gets standing upfrom looking underneath the
table, and it's like, good.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:24):
This movie good.
You're okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:26):
Yeah.
And then she starts talking likeout of Charlie's Charlie's voice
starts coming out of her, itseems.
Um, and then uh she almost likeseems like she's like, Why is
everybody so scared?
What's going on?
Why is everybody angry andscared?
And then Steve snaps Annie outby throwing water in her face.
And she's like, Why'd you dothat?
Hey, why am I wet?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:49):
Such a bitch.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:50):
And then he's got Peter like, it's just like,
okay, what is happening to mylife?
Peter, stay with your friends.
Yeah.
Time to go.
Just I just be like, Stay with afriend.
Hey man, can I just stay at herhouse for a month, please?
Uh, then we see more wordswritten on the wall.
Uh liftoach pandemonium?
Pandemin?

(01:02:10):
Something like that.
Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:13):
Um, fun scene.
Do you think this is the theincantation that she gave her?
I think so.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:19):
I think some of these, I think some of these are
the words for the incantation.
They are some of the sports.
Or maybe it just uh it's liketaking down barriers to hell.
Yeah.
Maybe like it's knocking thewalls out, kind of like they
have to do with the film sets.
Yeah.
Like how they have written allover everything.
Yeah.
That's why I kind of think itis, except it's instead of
keeping the evil out, it'shelping them draw them in.

(01:02:40):
Nice.

unknown (01:02:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:43):
So during school, because you know, you just have
to keep going to schoolapparently in this universe.
I'd be like, I quit.
It looks like shit.
I quit school, mom.
I'm sorry.
I'm not going.
I'm gonna tell you I'm going,but I'm just gonna travel.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:54):
I'm just not going.
You gotta do drugs instead.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:56):
Um, this is where Peter finally sees the same
strange light that Charliepreviously saw in her bedroom,
just kind of on the ground.
Peter notices that hisreflection looks back at him
with a different expression.
He's happy.
Oh.
King Paymon is free.
He's allowed to do whatever hewants now.
Because they said theincantation.
Yeah.
He's free to enter whoever anddo whatever he wants.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:17):
I love when his hand shoots up in the air.
He kind of looks like he justgot sassy for a second.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:21):
Hey, I'm from hell.
Uh you wanna my dad's Satan.
Um uh Steve admonishes Annie forPeter becoming convinced that a
ventral spirit is threateninghim.
Annie traces her studio infrustration when she
accidentally breaks a tiny modelchair after another voicemail

(01:03:41):
from a gallery pressure her forabout providing new pieces that
night.
Steve takes a lot of sleepingpills and sleeps on the couch.
I love it.
The voicemail.
Hey, yeah, we're just callingbecause we're so worried about
you and your family and all thethings you've gone to.
Anyway, so are you like readyfor this thing?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:59):
Well, he also he also said, like, we can push it
back, you know, no problem.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:03):
He does not care at all about her emotions or
feelings.
It was just like we can pushback, but hey, we need evidence
that you're doing something.
Because is that great?
It's just that way of toning oflike, I'm being fake, synth uh
like sympathy, supportive, butactually, Bish need to get her
stuff done.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:21):
We got a deadline.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:22):
Yeah.
Um, so Charlie's spiritsupernaturally draws in her old
sketchbook.
Peter sees a vision of his deadsister in the corner, and her
head falls off, turning into alike a uh bouncy ball on the
floor before being choked in hisbed.
Peter accuses his mother ofsleepwalking and attacking him
again because like the doorcloses because the dog's

(01:04:45):
barking, and um and then like itcuts.
We just hear Annie screaming andshe's in there.
It's like, what is wrong withyou?
He's like, You're trying tochoke me.
Crazy.
And like Annie's like, no, no,no, no.
Don't tell your dad that thishappened, okay?
I was not this time.
I know I wasn't doing it, okay?
So please don't tell Steve whathappened.

(01:05:05):
Annie goes on to explain thatsomething supernatural is
happening in the house, and sheis the only one who can stop it.
The window above Peter's bed hasthe mark that looks similar to
the one in Charlie's classroomwhen struck by the bird.
Oh shit.
Yeah, baby.
It's everywhere.
I need glasses.
Also, uh, when we rewatched LongLegs uh yesterday, uh I found

(01:05:28):
all those hidden Satan.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:30):
Nice!

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:30):
Yeah, and it's so wild how obvious they are as
soon as your brain is able tofigure it out in the shape of
the darkness.
Well, yeah, I mean so good.
Well, there's some that are soobvious it's insane that I after
like twice watching it, didn'tsee it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:45):
We will get to it in a second.
It took me a I missed the timeof whenever he's she's up in the
corner.
I had to rewind it.
I was like, fuck becauseAshley's like, Did you see it?
I was like, see what?
I saw I was like, I had torewind it a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:57):
Yeah, oh I know, I love that.
And it seems like we're doing alot of movies right now that has
like hidden stuff in thebackground.
Like I think it's really cool.
From the ritual, House of theDevil, uh, long legs, and now
this.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:10):
It's so easy to miss the thing if you're if you're
because your focus is centeredon something in the middle.
Yeah.
And it's just like right offcenter.
And it goes it's so easy for meto miss.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:19):
And it goes to show that the like how well they're
drawing you in through thesecharacters because you're so
focused on like what ishappening in these characters'
lives, it's hard to look outsideuh their frame, like the them
that's in the center.
Um, yeah, so realizing that thespirit she summoned is not a
good spirit, Annie throwsCharlie's sketchbook into the

(01:06:39):
fireplace.
Annie's arm mirrors the burningbook by also catching fire,
forcing Annie to rescue thebook.
Hell yeah.
And then fucking Steve said, Youknow what?
I'm taking all the sleepingpills, one night of rest.
So I just want one good night,and thank goodness he did,
because it's his last good resthe'll have.
Um, Annie returns to Joan forhelp.

(01:07:01):
Um, and it's great because Peterwakes up the next day and he
kind of gets on the very farside of the hallway to walk past
his mom's room because, like, mymom is crazy.
She's nuts.
Don't come home, Peter.
Please, for the love of God, donot come home.
Um, and the camera, you sh youget a visual of Annie in the
bedroom, just like waiting forhim to leave so she can run out

(01:07:22):
the door next.
Because he goes to Jones forhelp, but no one's there, and
she does not go inside Joan'sresidence.
The camera shows us Joan's placeis decked out in witchcraft
paraphernalia, including a photoof Peter inside a ceremonial
cert triangle, like we saw in uhLee's room.
Uh, Charlie's little sculpturesand figurines that she made.
And then also the symbol ofPayamon, Paymon, uh, kind of,

(01:07:45):
you know, like in like almostlike a little treehouse.
Yeah, that was neat.
Like birdhouse looking thing.
Um and then Annie recognizes uhsymbol on the little bat, a
little door mat, because earliershe said, My mother had
doormates, made door mats justlike this.
Yeah, and she's like, I shouldgo back and investigate my mom's

(01:08:06):
stuff, you know?

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:06):
Yeah, it's wild that it's the first time you go
through it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:10):
Yeah, and then um we cut to Peter just eating lunch
outside, and old Joan comes out.
It's like, Peter, I expel you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:19):
Peter's like, anybody else?
Yeah, no, no one else heard it.
Nobody else hearing this?
It's crazy lately.
That must happen a lot.
I guess.
She's always there screamingshit.
I mean, who knows?

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:30):
Maybe like all these cult members that's been sitting
outside this school for like 10years or something, just like,
hi.
Yeah, we're just yelling atthese kids.
Uh, but yeah, he's likeexpelling them.
It's from a distant behind afence.
She yells to Peter to get out,and he just keeps looking
around, like nobody's noticing.

(01:08:51):
But then, like in the movie,there's kind of when he says
Peter, get out, he kind ofshoots and looks to the left and
like nobody's there.
But it almost kind of has thatsame feeling to when uh the
possession happens to Annie andhow Peter says like the air is
constricting, and almost is kindof that feeling that he had.
Um, it's really great.
And then Peter's like, Well, Iguess I better go to class.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:12):
Doesn't he start following the pulsing light
around school?

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:16):
Um, yeah, this all kind of happens at the same time
through a couple of scenes.
Um but then we uh Annie learnsthat the symbol is associated
with the demon.
Uh Paimon, one of the kings ofhell.
Annie also finds photos of Joanwith Ellen revealing that Joan
and Annie's mother were in thesame coven devoted to gaining
riches by conjuring Paimon inthe male body.

(01:09:37):
We see Lee being uh dosed withgold in a wedding dress, making
her marriage to Paymon.
She is queen.
I also have one more picturethat I have to read.
So when successfully invoked,King Paymon will possess the
most vulnerable host.
Only when the ritual is completewill King Paymon be locked into
his ordained host.

(01:09:58):
Once locked in, a new ritual isrequired to unlock the
possession.
Um, yeah.
And essentially it needs a malebody.
So, and then in that book itcontinues to read that uh it pre
the face of Paymon is not reallysaid to be male or female, it
just prefers to be in a malebody.

(01:10:19):
Uh, because you know, uh back inthe day, nobody liked women, you
know.
When they're writing all thesebooks and shit, they're all
like, women suck, dude.
So there's always this like,yeah, women can't have any power
or any control.
Everything's gotta be happeningwith a man's body because it's
the only thing that matters.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:36):
Plus, if it was in like an adult woman, they would
be like, Oh, she's on herperiod.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:41):
Yeah.
Like trying to take over theworld.
She's already got too manydemons in her.
But it's got hysteria.
It said, uh, like later in thatbook, it also says that um, like
when it is put into a female'sbody, it uh becomes angry.
It doesn't like to be possessed,it doesn't like to possess a
female, it just becomes veryvengeful and angry.

(01:11:04):
Which is what it's doing to thembecause it possessed Charlie and
it's possessed onto her soul,which is why it's able to move
around and why whenever Paymondoes come up, it's in the form
of like Charlie's and thingslike that because it's possessed
onto her.
That's cool.
And so when Charlie goes intoAnnie, it's Charlie and Paymon
into Annie and then comes out.

(01:11:25):
Damn.
Yeah.
So fun.
So Peter continues to walkthrough school following the
light of Paymon.
We see a man motioning Peterthrough a door while Steve gets
emails about uh Ellen Lee'sgrave being dug up.
Annie discovers Ellen's headlesscorpse in her house attic.
Uh above is a simple Paymon.
Fun.

(01:11:45):
Just like undoes the thing, tonsof flies.
Oh no, no, it's it's themother's.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, and at the same time, Peteris in class and starts to
hearing Charles Charlie's click.
Then his hand contours up and helooks like he's having a stroke
essentially.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:03):
And then he starts slamming his head on the desk
and wakes up screaming.
A24 just like this is the moviethat I remember started the
character smashes head on desk.
Oh wow.
Doesn't long legs, talk to me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:16):
This movie and a couple other movies uh I can't
remember the end by do you thinkif you even if you tried that
you could smash your face intosomething hard enough?
I could do it once to like hurtyour nose.
Couldn't do it twice?
Yeah.
I do it once.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:30):
I ow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:31):
But I think I would have I would like resist myself.
Like because you know you likeyou can't bite off your own
finger.
Right.
I mean, you probably could.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:39):
If you really wanted to.
You have to be desperate though,right?
It's like in long legs, he wasdesperate to kill himself.
He's like, I did everything Ican do.
I don't want to stay in a jailthough.
Yeah.
It's like um, so at the uh yeah,it's great.
Also, when he wakes up screamingand you see Bridget like looking
at him, kind of like terrified,and that's where I'm like, mate,
maybe she's not in it, or maybeshe was a part of it, and she's

(01:13:00):
like, ooh, I actually kind ofliked him, and this cult's kind
of creepy now.
I don't know.
I don't trust Bridget.
So Annie stands in the pouringrain below the treehouse with
Ellen's scrapbook, and we seethat Peter's room behind her in
the real house does not exist.
Damn.
I don't know if you noticedthat.
No.
Yeah, I noticed it this thirdtime.

(01:13:22):
Because I paused it and I wasjust trying to see if there's
anybody in the windows orsomething.
Cause you know, I know thatthere's people sometimes hidden
throughout the movie.
And then uh also paused itearlier when it was on her model
of the house.
And so when you see the house,there's a section added on uh in
the model where it's like kindof on stilts and that's where

(01:13:44):
Peter's room is.
Then when you cut outside, thereis no Peter's room.
Damn.
So it's like, that's cool.
Does that mean anything?
Or is it just one of thosethings where it's like
Ariaster's like, all right, thisis the house we have, we're just
gonna trip people out.
And it gives you that kind ofshining idea where it's like
nothing makes sense.
This house doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:03):
And it yeah.
And it doesn't really, you don'teven have to notice it for it to
make you feel uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:09):
Yeah, it's just like there's something wrong here.
Um, and then so Steve bringsPeter home.
Annie approaches the car and isdry with no sign of a downpour,
even though she was just soakingwet a few minutes ago.
I didn't notice that either.
Annie tells Steve that Ellen'scorpse is in the attic, but it
is now decapitated.
Annie allows also shows Stevethe photographs where Joan and

(01:14:29):
Ellen are wearing a the seal ofpay payment.
Annie explains that their familybecame cursed when she tries
tried contract contactingCharlie.
Annie also explains theconnection of Charlie's
sketchbook, adding that Steveneeds to destroy it in order to
save Peter.
Peter sleeps in his room in thebackground and is not wakened by
the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:50):
Um Steve's like, we should call the police.
Why didn't you call the police?
She could have been telling allof this to the police.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:57):
Yeah, it's like, this is fucked up, dude.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:00):
Great investigation.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:03):
Well, Steve is like, all right, dude.
And he's like, and he's he getsthe book in his hand and he's
walking towards the fireplace,and he's like, he's like,
doesn't believe her anymore.
And like the while her wildclaims.
Steve accuses Annie of diggingup Ellen's grave because when
going to the movies, and she'sobviously been lying about that.
When Steve refuses to burn thesketchbook, Annie throws it back

(01:15:24):
into the fire, even though shepresumes doing so will kill her.
Instead, Steve spontaneouslycombusts.
Annie is horrified, and then wesee the light and her face
changes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:34):
It was kind of because right before she threw
it in the fire, it's almost likeshe knew that he was gonna die
from putting it in the fire.
Well, she thought she was gonnaburn.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:42):
She thought the sketchbook was connected to her
because she read the cantation.
What she doesn't know is thatit's she's catching on fire
because of Paymon.
Yeah.
She's not catching on firebecause there's a connection
between this book.
Paymon can do whatever he wants.
But what he's trying to do ishe's trying to weaken the family
so that he can possess Peter.

(01:16:03):
So everything is just slowlyweakening, like his Peter's
mental health, physical health,everything.
By the time you see Peter at theend, it's just like, damn, dude,
dude been through a war.
Take a nap.
He looks terrible.
But I just remember like whenshe threw it in, I was like,
damn, she's gonna die.
And then I was like, oh fuck.
And then the light and thenshe's got like a horrified,

(01:16:24):
crying face, and then the lightflashes, and then she's like,
uh, and now she's possessed byPayman.
So then outside the house, itturns uh from daytime or
nighttime and a or outside thehouse, it goes from day to
night, and there's a bunch ofnaked people outside, and then
we cut to Peter's room.

(01:16:45):
I just love the the fuckingswitch to nighttime, it's so
good.
And there's like naked people,yay, orgy incoming.
Um, with his possessed motherhovering in the corner above his
head, Peter gets up to searchthe house.
We see the tree house lit up andhis mom scurrying out of the
room.
It's so good.

(01:17:05):
It's like a little spideralmost.
When Peter leaves his room, theladder to the attic is withdrawn
and not there because last timewe saw it, it was down.
Peter finds his father's charredcorpse while his mother is
hovering on the ceiling again,just as she does.
Peter turns away from hisfather's corpse, and we see a
naked, smiling man from thefuner from the funeral that we

(01:17:28):
earlier saw.
Yeah.
And and he doesn't do anything.
He doesn't say he just smiles.
All right.
It's like that uh episode.
Uh what's the episode?
I didn't really watch uh How IMet Your Mother, but there's I
just remember one episode whereum what's his name?
Uh I don't know.

(01:17:48):
I didn't remember.
He was a child actor.
He's in Gone Girl.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh uh he's he talks about yeah,he's like, you know, just uh go
to the girl's house, and thenwhen she comes back in the
living room, just be naked.
It's like that guy really tookit.
He really liked that episode ofHow I Met Your Mother.
Took too long to make the joke.
Sorry.
Um, then the mother disappearsfrom one corner of the room and

(01:18:09):
runs from a different cornerbecause like, look up, it's
like, oh, she's not there.
And then it shows the other, andyou're like, wait, is that her?
And then she's like, twist.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:18):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:21):
And he chases Peter to the attic.
The ladder to the attic is nowdown when it just wasn't a
second ago.
And he jumps up and furiouslypounds her head on the attic.
That was awesome.
After Peter climbs the ladderand retracts it into the
upstairs ceiling, while themother is pounding her head.
Peter desperately yells that heis sorry and begins to call her
mommy like a child.

(01:18:41):
Peter is completely lost andweak now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:44):
Yeah, some fucked up shit happening to Peter.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:47):
Yeah, and look, the mother, God, God, that was
great.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:50):
Creepy.
Because Ashley was what shelooked away on her, she was on a
phone call and she looked back.
She goes, Is she possessed orsomething?

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:56):
And then she's like, wham, wham, wham.
I think so.
This is a new therapy.
They decided not to doconventional, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:04):
Now they're trying to kill each other.
Just in case you need to lockyourself in the attic.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:13):
And I think it was because they thought like the
mom was crazy.
So they're like, this issomewhere the kids can go if she
has a breakdown.
Yeah.
Same through.
In deleted scenes, it's shownthat um Peter actually has like
a deadbolt lock in his own roomthat he locks because he's
scared of his mother.
Yeah, hell yeah.
Yeah.
Apparently, this this movie,there's a three-hour cut and
it's just a lot of familydialogue was cut out of it.

(01:19:35):
Kind of glad because I don'tthink I could handle any more
family drama.
So, Peter in the attic, Peterfinds flies, candles, and a
photo of his face with eyespunched out.
Ellen's body is gone, and hesuddenly hovers above Peter
before severing her own headwith piano wires.
Confronted by this horror andthree undressed devil
worshippers, Peter jumps out ofthe window.

(01:19:57):
So funny.
It's wildly comic.
It's the way the music is,because you got her and she's
just like and it's scary, andit's still scary.
And then all of a sudden, likehe hears a noise, he looks over,
and the music kind of cuts out,but it feels kind of comical.
And then they're just like, hey,we're naked.
And then he's like, fuck it.

(01:20:20):
And so Peter's head hits theground below, uh, which
seemingly knocks him out.
Peter rises after the oddlyglowing light seen previously
hovers around his body and thendissipates into him.
Now, Peter slash Charlie slashPaymon follows his mother's
headless corpse as it floatsinto the treehouse.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:37):
That was awesome.
So good.
Oh, I'd love to know how they'vemade that look so good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:44):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:45):
The body floating.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:46):
It's either a dummy or this was like this.
He he didn't completely not useCGI.
He tried to not do it any timehe couldn't.
I mean, this could have been,but it looks so realistic.
It is fucking cool.
It could have been miniatures,who knows, right?
Um oh man, the float, thefloating corpse into the and it
is it's like a UF getting suckedin by a UFO.

(01:21:07):
So, here we go.
An assembly of mostly evil devildevil worship, Burz in various
states of undress, greets Peterinside the treehouse.
There is one woman with longhair in a bathrobe.
Charlie's decapitated head sitsatop a statue of Paimon.
Peter looks around with a dazedflat expression, and we're shown
Annie and Ellen's headlessbodies lie bowing on the floor,

(01:21:30):
bowing on the floor in front ofthe statue.
Joan's voice calls Peter Charlieas a woman crowns him but
welcomes Peter as Paimon whilethe coven hails the demon's
arrival.
The story ends with a shot of amottled treehouse filled with
dolls that look like Peter, theCoven, and the headless Annie
and Ellen.
Ban and air.
The end.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:21:52):
Oh, we also see like a pic.
I don't know if I said this,there's a picture that says
Queen Lee.
Yeah, I did see that.
And that's like, you know, whenwe saw earlier a picture of her
in a wedding dress and so hemarried his grandma.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:03):
That's so sweet.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:04):
Technically, yeah, he's kind of married to his dead
grandma.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:07):
Um, yeah, a little so at least he's not gonna talk
of him to death.
I'm already right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:14):
Dang, Tuts, you talk so much, I had to cut your head
off.
But yeah, so uh I feel like uheverything kind of came together
in the explanation of the plotabout what the coven was doing
and everything, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:28):
Yeah, yeah.
It was it was great.
It's pretty great.
There needs to be a spin-offseries, Teen Demon.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:33):
Yeah.
You can call it Peter slashCharlie slash Paymon and their
adventures.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:39):
It's like the the adventures of Teen Just and Teen
Payment.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:44):
All I need is a million dollars in an eight
ball.
Come on now.
It's teen just y'all.
Teen just like what does thatmean?
It's teen Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:58):
Uh well, didn't expect us to be talking about
that at the end of it.
Uh anyways, movie, great.
Jason, what's the point?

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:07):
Uh I think it's uh about what happens in the what
you do when you're hit with theextreme grief of losing uh a
child.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:17):
Yeah.
Really?
Loved one and child, especiallyso close together, right?
I mean, if you lose your parentand your child at the same time,
it's like well and you haveanother kid, it's like, well, I
already feel like a kid who justlost a parent, and now I gotta
take care of these kids, andthen one of my kids die, and
it's like, who do I go to?
Yeah, right.
It's like you're stuck in thisin-between of being having to be

(01:23:39):
a parent, but also wanted to besad like a child.
Yeah.
Which is kind of crazy.
It's gotta be tough.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:46):
Drives the parents apart, you know, it's like ruin
your marriage.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:49):
Yeah.
It's like I think about it allthe time how my grandma on my
dad's side, she saw so many ofher kids die of cancer.
God damn.
And I'm just like, I mean, atleast like four kids maybe die.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:01):
I think.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:02):
Maybe it was just three.
But like, you know, as a kid, Iwas sad because you know, my
uncles are dead.
Yeah.
But now, like as an adult, I'mlike, fuck.
Having to go through that musthave been crazy.
Like, what?
And then, like, you know, youkind of remember all the times
where she's like, she can barelystand up because she's just
excess exhausted from crying.
And I'm like, I get this movie.

(01:24:23):
But yeah, I said the point ofthe movie, generational pain and
suffering.
We pass down our demons from onegeneration to another, whether
it be mental or other, but alsothere's the coping with grief
and uh the loss of loved ones.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:36):
Yeah.
That was deep.
It's all hereditary, baby.
Alcoholism, too.
Yeah, I did put that too, but Iwas like, man, I think I'm
pretty sure I brought upalcoholism like five times in a
row.
Um, but yeah, good movie, makeme stressed.
Uh, also fucking metal, baby.
It was awesome.
So good.
I love how it's like, what's thepoint of the movie?

(01:24:58):
Generational pain and suffering.
Five seconds later, movie metal,baby.
It good, love it.
Um, so let's discuss categories.
There's the good, the bad, theugly, the fine.
It's where we discuss somethinggood about the film, scene,
acting, whatever, the bad,something we didn't like about
the movie, the ugly, somethingthat didn't age well, the fine,
something that did age well.

(01:25:19):
The good for me, Tony Colletteand Alex Wolfe, fucking good
actors, man.
Yeah, they really are.
They're good in everything theydo, and they'll probably always
be good at acting.
Uh also a movie that hidesthings in the background.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:31):
Yeah, and that's that's kind of what I was
thinking was my good is the theset design.
Just the house is beautiful andjust like the weirdness of
everything, the light, the waythey like some of the stained
glass windows.
Like sometimes it was obviouslynighttime, but there's still
lights shining through thewindow.

SPEAKER_04 (01:25:49):
It was so weird.
It was like it was always so italmost seemed like there was a
full moon every night.
Yeah.
And I had a hard timedeciphering sometimes on like,
is it is it morning time?
Like, you know, times where shegot got up and was to go to the
treehouse, and it's like in thehouse, it looks like it's
daylight, like twilight.
And then you go outside, it'sdark.

(01:26:11):
And I'm like, I don't and itjust I don't know.
I felt like more these coupletimes I watched it, I was like,
Arias playing a trick on us inlike every instance.
He's trying to trick us onfeeling uncomfortable about
being like, what's happening?

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:27):
Yeah, it's the illusion of uh just the illusion
was great.
And I did you notice there's acoffee, it's like a I don't know
if a coffee table, but it waslike an it was this weird like
stand thing, and it was made oflike a growing tree, but it had
houses inside the tree that weregrowing.

(01:26:47):
Dude, I did it and like is thisin Charlie's room?
Or no, it was just like uhthere's it's in like the uh
foyer.
Oh, gotcha.
Foyer.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:56):
Oh, I think I know what you're talking about.
Yeah, because there's causelittle things like that.
Sometimes there's randomminiatures in areas.
It's probably something shemade.
And it but it felt odd for themto be there, and it sometimes
felt like they weren't there,yeah, and then other times they
were there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:11):
Yeah, I just I love that.
All those little details and youknow, she was building all those
little dioramas.
I just thought it was reallygreat.
Yeah.
Everything went along with thestory.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:21):
Yeah.
And it's always fun because withthings like that, because it's
like, did they just actuallyscrew up while making the movie
and this didn't have goodcontinuity, or is it just like,
is it there on purpose?
But I feel like when there'smovies like this that are so
well crafted, it's like it'sgotta be on purpose, right?
It's like the shining wheneverybody's always like, oh man,
this the layout doesn't make anysense.

(01:27:43):
Like, was it a mistake, or wasit, is he just like a master
director?
And it's like, have you seen hismovies?
I think he's a really gooddirector and has ideas.
All right.
So what do you got for the bad?
I put honestly nothing.
The only thing I had that itmight be bad is that the movie's
kind of hard to fully graspeverything on first watch.

(01:28:05):
You know, when you make a movieand people got to come out of it
and are gonna think somethingabout it, when you make a movie
where there's so much hiddencontext, like with especially
with like the horror stuff andwhat's happening with the cult,
some people may miss that andthey'd be like, I don't get what
this movie is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:21):
Yeah, that's true.
A lot of that uh stuff goes overmy head because I'm so focused
on what's happening.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:27):
Yeah, the emotions of it.
Like you're because this movie'sso emotional, it's like fucking
hitting you with a hammer overemotions, it's like you can't
concentrate on anything else.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:37):
Well, maybe their idea is that maybe the viewer
won't catch everything, but whenthey do catch something, it'll
be really meaningful.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:46):
So that's kind of neat.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:47):
But it's also because I think about asking
people, like, hey, did you likethis movie?
And people are like, I don'tknow, man.
I thought it was gonna be itseemed more like a family drama
and not as much of a horrormovie, and it's you know
advertised more like a horrormovie.
And so when you hide a lot oflike the horror elements, it's
like some people will come outof the movie being like, I I
just thought it was alright.

(01:29:07):
There's too much talking orsomething, which it is you know,
some people don't want that,right?
They just want to go see a funhorror movie, so it's like that
could be the bad.
Like, you know, people come outwith the wrong opinion about the
movie because they have to kindof do a little bit of homework
almost.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Do you have anything for thebad?
Did you already answer?

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:25):
Not really.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:25):
Um I'm talking so much.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:27):
It's fine.
Uh nothing.
I couldn't really I didn'treally find anything that I
didn't like fully enjoy.
I thought it was a solid A plusmovie in terms of that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:40):
Pretty cohesive.
Yeah.
Uh for the ugly I put being aparent, man, it's gotta suck.

unknown (01:29:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:46):
It's like it's good when it's good, but man, if it
gets bad, what do you do?

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:50):
But that makes it all the more heartbreaking
whenever you see things likethat happen to kids.
Yeah, it's like And it makes youangry at the parents.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:58):
Yeah, but it's like Be nice to your kid.
Their brains aren't fullydeveloped yet.
You have to be the adult.
Cause like while watching this,I was thinking, I was like, man,
I wonder how Jason's thinkingthis movie.
This is gotta be very stressfulfor him, the way she's handling
her relationship with her kids.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:16):
Yeah, it's it yeah, it does kind of bring to light
the things you say to your kidswhen you're you know you don't
really mean to.
Yeah.
You know, it makes you thinkabout being more careful.

SPEAKER_04 (01:30:26):
Yeah.
And there's a bit of likeselfishness, I feel like, to
Annie a little bit about um, youknow, the fact that she didn't
want the kids and like she'skind of putting her frustrations
and emotions forward moreinstead of thinking and taking a
step back, being like, Look, mykid been through some shit,
right?
And sometimes when I think aboutlike, oh, you know, people are
like, Are you gonna have a kid?

(01:30:46):
And I'm like, I feel like I'mtoo selfish to have a kid, you
know?
But I mean that could all changewhen I had if I have one, you
know.
So, you know, just the stressesof being a parent doesn't age
well, I guess, for me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:57):
No, yeah, it's it's rough, dude.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:59):
Yeah, um, did you have anything for the ugly?
It's hard because I mean it'sit's in your life.
It is kind of difficult.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:09):
Um but yeah, I'd I'd probably say that would be like
I feel like maybe she was beinga little out of touch.
Yeah.
And that sucks to see that.
Yeah.
It's just, but you know, that'sthat's the move.
That's the movie.
That's the movie, baby.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:25):
Hey, this is cinema.
This is what happens.
Uh for the fine, I put Ari Astercrushing his first film.
And honestly, uh, it also couldgo in the ugly.
It's like, man, when you makeyour first film a masterpiece,
it's tough to keep makingmovies.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:40):
Maybe this isn't the masterpiece, maybe this is just
a little taste.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:43):
Yeah.
Um, it's tough because, youknow, like this is the movie
that I have the least amount ofproblems with of his movies.
I love the other two, don't getme wrong.
But in terms of, you know, fullyforming everything perfectly,
this does it well.
Uh, with Midsummer, you know,it's they're almost kind of like
two pieces together.

(01:32:03):
It's all about grief and stuff,and Midsummer too, and just like
a weird, different cult goingthrough it, right?
And there's also relationshipshit in it.
Um then Bo is afraid.
It's kind of the same thing alittle bit too, but his movies
get bigger, but also a littlemessier versus how I think this
was smaller and is wellcondensed.

(01:32:24):
Yeah.
You know, uh narratively, right?
Yeah.
Bo is afraid.
You're like, I don't I mean, Ifeel like I know what it the
movie is, but I don't know, it'sthree hours of wackiness.
Um, what do you got for a find?
Something that age well for you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:38):
Miniatures.
Yeah.
I always love to see miniatures.

SPEAKER_04 (01:32:41):
Like small things are cool when we're big
ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:45):
And when you can use it for horror, like I know.
Like little kid putting scarydolls in like scary situations
in the dollhouse.
You're like, why is a kidplaying like that?
That's weird.

SPEAKER_04 (01:32:57):
You know what?
You need a parent that paysattention to you more.

unknown (01:33:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:02):
Um, also, I it another thing that aged well is
like the fact that they useminiatures in this movie and
probably used it for certainareas in the movie.
It's like how we used to makemovies, you know, using
miniatures, and it's fun.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:14):
Making them look the same.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:16):
And it's crazy, like, because you know, when you
watch older movies likeHitchcock films, you can be
like, that's obviously aminiature car movie.
And in this like on a popsiclestick.
And in this, you can't tell thedifference between what's real
and what's a miniature, and it'sit's unnerving.
It's unsettling.
Yeah, exactly.
All right.
So, Jason, we're gonna hit upour next category, and it's

(01:33:38):
where we recommend a movie to goalongside this movie.
Um, I decided to go withsomething not horror-related
because you know, Thanksgiving'saround the corner.
And this next movie takes placeduring Thanksgiving.
It's called The Ice Storm.
It's actually directed by AangLee, who did um Crouching Tiger
Hidden Dragon.
Cool.
Hold Brokeback Mountain, youknow, all good movies.

(01:34:02):
And bro, it is great.
It's just about kind of just acouple and they're failing
marriage a little bit, and youknow, they're they're so wrapped
up in their own personal issuesthat they're not paying
attention to these kids, andthese kids are acting strange.
Um, and then there's somethinghorrible happens at night.

(01:34:22):
One night during an ice storm.
Um, dude, the movie's so good.
The drama and it's great.
Yeah, I can't wait to watch it.
Yeah, I think it's on it used tobe on Max.
It doesn't look like it's onanything now.
It's a Criterion film, which Iown.
If you ever want to watch, nice.
We will eventually do it though.
All right.
Yeah.
Cause I there's something aboutjust uh, you know, uh boomer

(01:34:42):
drama, you know, from back inthe day.
It's fun.
Because, you know, theirexperiences are different than
ours, and it's fun to see thatthrough film.
Nice.
Yeah.
So what do you got for yours?
Uh well, the shining.
Yeah.
Perfect.
There's a lot of similaritiesbetween the shining and
hereditary.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:01):
Yeah, I love seeing Jack Nicholas just uh go insane.
Yeah.
I know.
And talk about like a slow-pacedmovie, but is this so good.
And I worked at a um hotel up inYellowstone where they claimed
that some of the s a few scenesthat were shot in that hotel.

(01:35:22):
I don't know if it's true, butthe hotel was very spooky and it
looked a lot like the hallways,especially.
Oh, nice.
And I don't know, it was verycreepy walking around in there.
Beautiful hotel is the old, oldfaithful inn.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:38):
Yeah.
Uh that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:40):
Did you experience any ghosts?
I did not.
Do you believe in ghosts?
Uh, I don't know.
Yeah.
It's kind of I used to believe.
I used to believe in them, but Idon't really see some weird
things happen.
There's some weird shit.
Weird things happen.

SPEAKER_04 (01:35:52):
And I just like I just want to be a ghost.
I want to high-five a ghost,then I'll know it's real.
Then it's just like, man, ifhumans can be ghosts, I mean,
dogs have to be ghosts too.
And if they were ghosts, you'dbe like, dude, shut up in the
corner of my room.
Stepping in ghost shit.
It's like oh in your yard.
It's your whining all the time,be like, stop.
Just constantly gotta get up,let a ghost dog outside.

(01:36:14):
You can go through doors.
You're a ghost.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:17):
Yeah, but you you need to do that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:19):
That'd be like if the worst thing ever is if my
little dog snake was to justcome back as a ghost.
Like every time you come overfive minutes before you get
here, he starts barking.
It's like, I got it when you'realive.
Even though I didn't, I don'tunderstand how you know when
someone's five minutes down theroad and you start barking.
But now, as a ghost, you'restill doing it.

(01:36:40):
Unless it's like a ghost bark,like, ooh, roof, ooh, ooh, woof,
oof, ooh.
I'd be like, okay, now we'rejust gonna have to make this an
Airbnb and you're gonna make usmoney.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:52):
I mean, ghost cat would be worse, just logging
shit off the shelves all thetime.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:56):
That's true.
Because then it'd be like, well,is this a human ghost or cat
ghost?
But then, like, you're laying inbed, then all of a sudden, be
like, like this ghost.
Like this ghost.
Alright, you can stay.
Yeah.
All right, man.
That is our discussion onhereditary.
I guess we should tell them whatwe're doing next.

(01:37:17):
It's a movie.
Not gonna lie, no one probablyhas heard of that we're doing
this.
This is gonna be our leastlistened to movie, um, unless
people actually, you know, watchit.
Um, it's called The Empty Man.
Yeah, I've never heard of it.
It came out in 2020, like rightat the start of uh COVID.
Uh, they couldn't release it,um, obviously in theaters at the

(01:37:37):
time.
Oh I have a feeling this isgonna be a movie that people are
gonna be like, actually, I hatedthis one, man.
Uh it's slow, it's uh has somesimilar it's a lot of
similarities to Long Legs andHereditary Mixed Together.
Uh on the trail of a missinggirl, an ex-cop comes across a
secretive group attempting tosummon something.
Neat.

(01:37:57):
Uh bro, the first 20 minutes ofthis movie is so good.
It's it's I mean, the wholemovie's good, and there's some
of my favorite visuals are inthis movie.
Like recent horror movievisuals.
I can't wait to see it.
Like it goes along a lot likewith long legs and hereditary,
where it's just like you see avisual and it's like, damn, I'm

(01:38:19):
gonna think about that the restof my life.
Empty man.
It mainly takes place at kind oflike at this little cabin camp
thing, the scene that I'mtalking about.
You'll know it.
Is it a summer camp withteenagers?
Uh no.
Oh, and and big chetties.
Nope.
Oh my god, I'm just watching thetrailer right now.
I'm so excited.
I can't wait.
I'm gonna watch it tomorrow andtake notes because I'm so
excited to watch it.
Yeah, join us next week for TheEmpty Man.

(01:38:41):
Uh has the title of like the ByeBye Man and like Slender Man,
all these shitty movies thatcame out with a similar title,
and it's way better than those,just to let you know.
Um oh shit, I didn't even saythe director of it.
Uh The Empty Man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:56):
Uh, it's directed by okay, that's fine.

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:01):
Let's just fucking not bring up any of the things
that I need to click on to getto the director.
David Pryor, who uh workedalongside David Fincher a lot,
um, he did a lot of like thebehind-the-scenes stuff in all
the David Fincher movies.
Cool.
So yeah, he has uh similar looksto Venture in this movie, so

(01:39:22):
which is also great.
So join us next week for that.
Damn it, we're done with thispodcast.
Uh hey, leave us um, you know,some fan mail.
Link in the description at thetop.
You can just click it, text us,or at the bottom.
We recommend mailbag atgmail.com.
You can send us an email throughthere.
Just fucking do it.
All right, and also, hey, youknow you can leave reviews and

(01:39:42):
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Yeah, we're gonna do it.
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SPEAKER_00 (01:39:47):
Yeah, we're kicking ass.

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:48):
Oh shit.
Like on Spotify or in Apple.
I can't really look at Applebecause I have a Google phone,
and Apple's like, we won't letyou do it, dude.
So annoying.
Um, but yeah, we got like Ithink 12 on Spotify, and that's
just the reviews.
We got more listeners.
So if you're listening, justhey, just simply click on some,
give us five stars.
Just fucking do it.

(01:40:09):
Just kidding.
Um, I like to thank Joey Prosterfor intro and outro music.
You can follow him on next atMr.
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This has been the We RecommendPodcast.
I'm Jesse.
I'm Jason.
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