LONGLEGS

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SPEAKER_00 (00:03):
Hello and welcome to the We Recommend Podcast, a
movie podcast where every weekwe recommend a movie for you to
watch, and then come back hereand listen to us discuss.
I'm Jesse.
I'm Jason.
Hail Satan.
Hail Satan.
Because this week we recommendlong legs.

SPEAKER_01 (00:35):
I liked it uh up until the end.
No! Like what we're at at theend.
Just like the the reveal?
The reveal that it's just Satan.
Like, is that really what we'reafraid of?

SPEAKER_00 (00:47):
Yeah, bro.
Well, so you know, the movietakes place um like at the end
of the satanic panic.
So I think it's a play on that alot.

SPEAKER_01 (00:56):
Yeah, I just think maybe it's overdone.
I thought it's like the thevillain from the movie seven.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03):
Like, if you would have gone through all that just
to find out that it's the devil,like, wouldn't you be upset?
I just don't feel like it.
What?
What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 (01:14):
I'd be like, holy shit, the fucking devil's here?
Uh, I didn't know that.
I understand if it's just uhweird old Kevin Spacey hanging
around and be like, uh yeah,that's that's pretty normal.
It being like the devil and youcan like see him throughout like
your investigation and be like,you know what?
This is actually probably thescariest possible thing.

(01:35):
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36):
Well, a lot more biblical references.
I just don't I don't think themovie really respected my um my
time.
You didn't expect your liked it.
I just thought maybe it was justa clever persuasive killer, but
then he's it's the devil.

(01:57):
Or like the it was the things inthe dolls' heads.
Like I like a haunted doll.
Well, but I just felt like arethe the balls in the heads like
supposed to be charming thepeople hypnotizing them?

SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
So here's how I understand it, right?
Actually, I'm very surprised byhow many people are kind of
confused by this movie.
I thought it was pretty like tome, I was like, this all like
checks checks out.
Like I get it.
This is pretty much uh what'swith the metal balls?
So the metal ball, that's justlike a thing that long legs
creates to put the essence ofthe devil in it.

(02:31):
And they don't even tell youwhat long legs are.
Long legs, that's it's him.
I know he's long legs.
Um I actually have somethingabout it.
So is he supposed to be the dollbecause of his his like
porcelain face with the facepaint?
Yeah.
And there's there's specificallya shot towards the end, like
after long legs kill, or likebefore he's when they're about
to catch him on the bus, it kindof cuts to inside the little

(02:54):
basement that's in uh uhHarker's childhood home.
And you just it's like it'szooming in on a face of a doll,
and then like it's dissolvinginto the face of um long legs,
and it's like he I he looks likea doll.
Or he like made himself to looklike a doll.
Because whenever you see himlike crack his face, yeah, he

(03:14):
almost breaks apart like a doll.
It does.
His nose goes missing.
He also has the essence of thedevil.
The devil! Hail Satan.
Um, let's see if I can find inmy notes.
Okay, so the serial killer'snickname, Long Legs, goes
unexplained in the film.
It's actually homage to an oldnursery rhyme called Goosey
Goosey Gander, with the earliestpublication being either in

(03:35):
German Gerton's Garland or thenursery partner.
I don't know, it's a bunch offucking words.
In London in 1784.
An alternate alternative versionof the nursery rhyme is known as
Old Father Longlegs and goes asfollows Old Father Longlegs
can't say his prayers, take himby the left leg and throw him
downstairs.
Damn.
So this is a kid's pull of longlegs.

(03:57):
He's the downstairs man alongwith the devil.
He's he essentially has allthese fathers kill the family.
Long legs.
See.
So your opinion's wrong andeverything about this movie's
good.
Um, so yeah, I don't know.
I guess I just like whenever Iwent through the movie, it was
like it checks all the boxes.
Like, I get it.

(04:17):
Like, I think it's man, I thinkthis is a perfect film.
Like, no joke for me.
It's wild, it's a warm blanket.
It was pretty cool.
Uh I wish it was raining when Iwas watching it because I'd
snuggle up, I don't know, put acat on my lap and just be like,
the devil.
Nick Cage is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
I know.
So I was really hoping NicolasCage would have really um You
can't well okay.
I thought he did well.

SPEAKER_00 (04:44):
I was gonna say, I was literally in this podcast if
you say you don't like hisperformance.

SPEAKER_01 (04:50):
His performance was pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 (04:51):
The interrogation room thing where he talks to
her.
Fuck.
I watched, I like the first timeI watched it in theaters, got
chills because I knew it wascoming, I was excited.
I was kind of getting pumped up.
So I was like, I hope it doesn'tlet me down.
Got extra chills.
My chills had chills.
Goosebumps had goosebumps.

(05:11):
It was goosey goosey gander onmy arms, man.

SPEAKER_01 (05:16):
It reminded me a lot of Silence of the Lambs, just
all the FBI.

SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Those I obviously I feel like the three movies that
um he had inspiration of wasSeven, Zodiac, and Silence of
the Lambs.
It felt very much like those.

SPEAKER_01 (05:32):
You know, he's the killer's very kind of weird and
yeah, maybe that's why I wasupset because I was maybe
expecting like a uh super geniusserial killer or something.

SPEAKER_00 (05:41):
No, it's uh it is kind of it goes to show you that
like anybody, if you just arecrazy enough, you you can become
this.
If you listen to too much T-Rex,man, this is what happens to
you.
Oh, and I love because T-Rex isalways kind of like a fun, like
older band to listen to.
Like all their songs are like,yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (06:01):
And they're like some of their messaging is never
heard of T-Rex until now.

SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
Really?
You never heard any of thesesongs bang on a gong?
They're like a very popular bandback in the day.
I don't know.
If you listen to like, you know,you go to Spotify, they have
like their top five listened tosongs on there.
If you listen to me, be like, Iknow all these songs type of
things.
I was kind of the same way, andthen uh my wife, she she would
put them on everyone's arm,like, oh yeah, I love this band.

(06:25):
Who is this?
T-Rex?
Oh, I didn't realize.
Um, but yeah, the man, I don'tknow, just from a filmmaking
perspective, this movie is just,I don't know, it's crack to me.
It's just it's so satisfying towatch because like, you know,
and I guess this from myperspective, I can see all like
the techniques that they'redoing.

(06:45):
You know, there's a very widecamera during all this.
So whenever you always have theperson in the forefront, there's
always open doors or a lot largeamount of space behind her.
Yeah, that was always scary.
Yeah.
So like, especially when shegets her first letter, and you
already saw like essentially thedevil, and then also devil
outside long legs is, I'massuming, just like in her house

(07:06):
at that point.
And then, you know, she hears anoise while she's opening the
letter, and it's like, what?
And then like you perfectly seeone door on the her right side
and another like door on herright side and or left side, and
it's like, uh she's toovulnerable.
So the whole time, like she'slike you're kind of like, ooh,
what?
What's you're engrossed in themystery, but you're also kind of
like, is something gonna comethrough those doors?

(07:28):
Yes.
Also, the devil is in this movienine different times.
Nice.
Yeah.
Um, and um, did you ever noticeit?
I mean, there's obviously theobvious ones where like in the
woods, and there's one whereshe's like in a library and you
kind of see it in the middle andit disappears.
I only saw the one in the woods.
So when you know, whenever she'slike towards the end, the

(07:48):
carters invite her in.
Yeah, you know, they go to shutthe door.
The reflection of the devil isin the door.
Nice.
Like you see the goat horns andit's black shadow and black
mask.
I didn't see that at all.
Yeah, bro.
Well, maybe because you're toobusy having bad opinions.
You're right.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
Um, it's funny because one of mythe bad is actually has to deal

(08:09):
with people's opinions.
Do you say that?
I'm like, oh no, I'm talkingabout Jason.
Um yeah, let's see.
I thought I had like some factswhere it sh tells all the places
where the devil is.

SPEAKER_02 (08:24):
Which is everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 (08:25):
I did like the like the shrouded doll, like the
black shroud over the dolls.
That was super easy.
With the glowing eyes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
I mean, I think it's actually considered fucking
metal.
Yeah.
That was that was kind of thething that whenever I watched it
in theaters, that's what uhthat's what really started
drawing me in at the beginning.
Obviously, at the beginning,where he's like, Oh my, I put my
long legs on.
Um, but then after that, it wasuh the glowing eyes of the dolls

(08:52):
that was like, shit, man.

SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
You know what I really hoped that the long legs
turned out to be?
Like pants made out of humanskin.
Ooh, though.
That's what I thought it was.

SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
You know what, Jason?
This movie sucks.
Your movie's way better.
Um, so just uh some uh partswhere the uh devil is in the
background.
So when Harker is sitting on thefloor reviewing case files, the
devil's there, apparently.
Um, in the woods outside hercabin home, in the kitchen when
Harker is reading the card leftfor her by Long Legs, in Long

(09:27):
Leg's basement by the staircase,in the window between two
bookshelves when Harker isinvestigating in the library, in
the small window of Kitchen'srear entrance door, during
Harker's childhood flashback inthe bedroom doorway, in the
window of the basement, foyer atHarker's mother's house, in the
Harker's childhood bedroom, whenher mother is revealing the
story of the dollmaker in thereflection of the front door of

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the Carter's home as it is beingclosed at the end of the film.
And it's supposed to besubliminal, so you know.
It's probably my pretty easy tomiss.
And honestly, it was a verybright morning today when I was
doing my notes and I was like,Yeah, I know what I've shot on
the TV and it like I didn't Istarted putting like blankets
all over my windows, took themdown right before you got here.
I was like, fuck, this movie'sdark.

(10:10):
But man, I love thecinematography in this movie.
It's beautiful.
The vibes, it's just got goodvibes.
Yeah, good, scary vibes.
Good, bad vibes.
I love it.
Um, something, so you know,zooming notes.
Uh I was looking at, you know,IMDB ratings and reviews um
because I like to be pissed offabout people who have dumb

(10:33):
opinions and honestly justseemingly don't understand the
movie, or it didn't even seemlike they tried to understand
it.
They're just like, I don't know,I don't get dolls or whatever.
Things like that.
And it seemed like a lot ofpeople were like, it had great
vibes, it was a great funthriller, but not enough horror
in it.
Um, so does a horror movie haveto be scary to be a horror

(10:58):
movie?
Yeah, I think so.
Because I don't find this moviescary.

SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
Well, yeah, okay, maybe not scary, but it has to
induce fear.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:07):
Which I feel like it does.
Yeah, but because it's notbeating you over the head with
it, it seems like people arelike, not scary.
But I'm like, sometimes like thethe non not overtly scary is
sometimes scarier, I feel like.

SPEAKER_01 (11:20):
Because it's something you'll remember later.

SPEAKER_00 (11:22):
That and they sprinkle in a few pinches of uh
ultraviolence here and there.

SPEAKER_01 (11:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:26):
That kind of you have to, and that that seems to
be something like for modern dayhorror movies, it's like very
popular to where all these liketrauma-filled movies, and then
it's mainly about thecharacters, which I think is
kind of what this movie is doingtoo.
And then all of a sudden, I'mjust gonna base my uh bash my
face in, which is something thatI mean, weapons recently did it.

(11:49):
Um kind of barbarian was thesame way.
There's it's a whole 20 minutesof nothing happening.
The next thing you know, uhguy's face gets beaten to the
wall.
Um, talk to me, hereditary.
They all do it.
That scene from Fight Club wherehe beats the shit out of
himself.
Yeah, he wanted to destroysomething beautiful, man.
And who better to do it to thanuh shit?

(12:09):
What's his name?
Tyler Durden?
No.
Uh Edward Norton?
No.
30 Seconds of Mars guy.
Oh my god.
Oh how am I blanking on hisfucking name?
Uh Meatloaf.

SPEAKER_02 (12:25):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
What are you even talking about?
Sting.

SPEAKER_02 (12:27):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 (12:28):
Jared Leto.
Oh yeah.
That's the guy.
He's the blonde guy, and he justbeats the shit out of him.
Yeah, that was Rav.
His face is all messed up.
Yeah, it's good.
He's like, his like nose fallsoff.
That's why I was like, oh, he'sgot a fake face.
Like he's obviously probably hadwork done or something.
I don't know.
Like spitting out teeth.
Yeah.
It's awesome.
Um, so during an interview withOsgood Perkins, um, he recalled

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a story from production where helearned Nicholas Cage has a
particular skill that he says noother actor possesses, and
something we should learn how todo.
The ability to recognize high orlow, or how high or low he is,
able to speak without messing upthe audio.
According to Perkins, the soundguy came over to me one day.
He comes up to me a couple ofdays into Nick being on set and

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he's like, Oz, I've never seenanything like it.
When Nick is mic'd, I'm watchingthe dials.
When Nick goes big, he goesright to the line.
And anything more, a decimal ortwo over that, he would have
been hard to use.
The audio would have been hardto use.
Then he goes down, he goes softand he's whispering and he's
barely talking.
He goes right to the line.
Anything past that line, we wewouldn't be able to use.

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He knows where the lines are.
It's the craziest thing he'sever seen in his life.
Unlike us, where it's like bah.
We're like way too quiet.
So I just wanted to kind of saythat.
And there's a few more thingswith Nick Cage because you know,
Nick Cage went the longest timewhere nobody really appreciated
how good of an actor he is.
You know, after he won hisOscar, he just did really shitty

(13:55):
movies.
What did he win an Oscar for?
Um uh leaving Las Vegas?
Wow, that was a long time ago.
Yeah, it was like in the 90s.
Or honeymoon in Honey.
No, yeah, it's leaving LasVegas.
It's where he's like a he's likean alcoholic in Los Las Vegas,
and you know, that's the type ofmovies that Oscars love to give

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it.
It's like, oh, you're a personwith some sort of alcohol or
drug abuse and you give aperformance.
We love that.
Here you go.
Here's an Oscar in the 90s.
Um but because you know, likehe's known for now, he's having
like a renaissance whereeverybody's like, hey, y'all
fucking like people like us, ourage, are making movies, be like,
you remember how like NicolasCage was just the craziest actor

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ever?
What if we just use that as acrazy, yeah?
Yeah, and that's what peoplehave gotten really good at
using.
It's like the unbearable weightof massive talent.
Did you see that?
The Nick Cage movie.
You should watch it because it'sa movie literally just like we
love Nick Cage.
Here's all his past roles.
Like he in that movie, he useshis guns from face-off.
Put the bunny down.
You should watch it.
It's got Pedro Pascal, it'sreally funny and great.

(15:00):
Awesome.
Um, but it's like this movie.
There's a movie called Pig wherehe's really good in it.
And it's just like we're finallyjust being like, Yeah, Nick Cage
deserves all the credit in theworld because he's bonkers.
The only reason he did so manyshitty movies where he either
acts batshit crazy or barelyacts at all, is because he
bought a castle and he has topay taxes on it.
So he does 500 movies a year.

(15:22):
That makes sense.
But uh, it's just like I'm soglad like we're finally really
starting to, you know,re-respect Nicolas Cage again.

SPEAKER_01 (15:30):
Wouldn't it be awesome to have a house named
after yourself?
I wonder if he called it CageManor.

SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
Cage Manor.
I can't remember what he callsit in the movie, but oh wait,
no, he doesn't, it's not hishouse.
It's he goes to visit likesomeone who is obsessed with him
that's like really rich and haslike all of his merchandise and
stuff.
Well, but he did buy like a hugehaunted mansion.
Yeah, he yeah, he's like uhsuper in debt from all the
insane property he's bought.
Yeah.

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I know that's why I feel likethis movie is like so up his
alleys because you know, he's adamn ass freak.
And that's why we like NickCage.
And speaking of Nick Clay Cage,despite the praise and acclaim
of his portrayal as long legs,Nicolas Cage stated this will be
his only portrayal of a serialkiller for film.
In an interview with Indy Wire,Cage said, I know that the
phone's going to ring off thehook to play serial killers

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after long legs, and that's notreally what I like to do.
I don't like violence.
I don't want to play people whoare hurting people.
Yeah.
But I mean, if you think aboutit, he doesn't play a lot, he
doesn't really play like avillain too much or like a
crazed killer.
Like a lot of people.
I know.

(16:38):
He's because he's he's got wildeyes.
He sucks.
He's he's got a crazy face, wildeyes, and his voice is it could
go either way if he's gonna beyelling or whispering in a
creepy way.
Um, so just a few more facts.
Maika Monroe from It Follows,she's fantastic in this, yeah,
initially met Osgood Perkinsabout playing the lead role,

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only to later hear that thedirector didn't think she was
right for the part.
Alarmed at the thought of losingout on what she considered a
great role, she made an auditiontape which helped seal the deal.
I'm like, bro, do you notfucking watch It Follows?
Like, come on, she's perfect forthis.
She's just gonna be walkingaround quietly.
That's what she does.

SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
Yeah, I thought she did great in this movie.
And and and I can't say thatabout a lot of the people in
this movie.
What?
Like her partner, uh Carter.
Carter, Millet Carter.

SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
I I thought some of his maybe it was the writing.
I don't know.
I think they're it was becauseit's kind of playing into the
90s, like our boy detective typething a little bit.
I like him.
Uh it definitely he definitelyfeels like, and I feel like they
did it on purpose, where he he'skind of a cliche of a like a
boss, right?

(17:43):
Yeah, and I think they're doingthat because it's he's she's
supposed to be the weird one.
He's the normal so it's like,hey, there's no what do you
think?
There's paranormal shit goinghere?
Hey, also, are you psychic?
What the hell's going on withyou?
Yeah.
Which we will explain thatlater.
Um, so the modern scenes use thenormal aspect ratio of 239.1.

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That's you know, bars at the topand bottom.
And for the flashbacks, they useolder standard of 4-3, which is
roughly the same of 8millimeter, you know, whenever
it's that box.
It's almost like the movie 8mmwith Nicolas Cage.
Yeah.

unknown (18:19):
Oh God.

SPEAKER_00 (18:20):
Fuck yeah.
Walking Phoenix.
Meanwhile, I've talked aboutwatching that all the time.
It's just never on anything.
Um, so Maika Monroe, I I hatesaying her name.
I just feel like I'm butcheringit, was kept completely in the
dark over co-stars NicolasCage's transformation as the
titular serial killer long legs,and had never seen Cage in

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character until they shot theinfamous interrogation scene,
which also happened to be Cage'sfinal day on set.
So during filming, Monroe wore amicrophone on her shirt, which,
along with her dialogue, wassensitive enough that it had
managed to capture a heartbeatas well.
Monroe's initial resting ratewas 76 uh beats per minute.
When the scene ended, it hadspiked to a rate of 170 beats

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per minute.
The sound of her panickedheartbeat was then used as final
promotional trailer prior to themovie's July 12th release in an
interview with Indywire,IndieWire, Indy Indywire, Monroe
recalled it was insane.
It was absolutely insane.
She said, as you know, hecompletely transformed.
There's no trace of Nick inthere.
His voice, his mannerisms, hewas very much method on this.
So it was in character and itwas very disturbing character to

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say the least.
Yeah.
Dude.
Beautiful.
Just because, like getting theheartbeat, and be like, we can
use it in the promotional thing.
And then after people watch themovie and go to the trivia
section, they can be like, ohno.
But yeah, that's rad.
That is really cool.
It's cool when you hear thingslike, yeah, I was in this horror

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movie and uh I actually gotscared.
Scared as fuck next neck cage.
Yeah.
Just being in a I think my heartwould probably go up my heart
rate.
Oh, dude, just seeing his face.
I'd be like, oh shit.
Like when he walks into thatlike hardware store or like mom
and pop shore, is like, um, nothank you.
Um, so during the early scenesin which Agent Harker is being
tested for psychic abilities,all of her answers foreshadow

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aspects of the film.
Her answers include camera,keeping Polaroids she took as a
child, as well as the name ofthe family's victims, piano,
present in Young Lee's room, andat the scene of the camera's
murders, mother, alluding to hermother involvement in the
crimes, father.
Harker's father is nevermentioned throughout the film,
but this answer corresponds tothe inverted triangle
representing 666, which is alsothe algorithm for targeting

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victims.
And tiger, as in Tiger's Eyes,associated with the Zodiac sign,
Capricorn, Lee's Zodiac signbecause it's believed to enhance
the traits and turn itdetermination, ambition, and
discipline.
And also the kind of the dollsare kind of cat's eyes.
I feel like so.
That's cool.
Yeah, man.
That's uh that's all the notes Igot.

SPEAKER_01 (20:49):
That was interesting.
Like it's kind of super, youknow, um, supernatural.

unknown (20:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (20:55):
That was a neat element.

SPEAKER_00 (20:56):
Yeah.
Uh, and I loved so I have the 4Kof this, and you know, when it's
on the play screen andeverything, it's just the
flashes of the pictures.
Yeah.
And I was sitting there andjust, you know, doing like the
good, the bad, the ugly, findinglike trivia and stuff about it,
and the whole time, like it'sjust of it.
And then I went to the bathroom,I come back, and then I sit

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there and I started watching.
I was like, whoa, this isputting me in a trance.
You've been programmed.
I was like, I could I shouldjust leave this on when I'm
doing work because I was just sofocused and I don't know, it was
weird.
I was like, huh, maybe there'slike something to that sound and
why they used it because itreally did kind of just like
make me stare at it.
I'm like, shit, do I have a dollin the house?

SPEAKER_01 (21:36):
Or you just trained from childhood to watch
slideshows.

SPEAKER_00 (21:41):
Yeah.
And um something I didn'trealize before uh, you know,
when I first watched it intheaters is um Harker, Lee
Harker.
I don't know if you noticed, butshe walks and moves and sits
like a doll.
No, I didn't notice.
Like she just the way they haveher, when she sits on the bed,
she's very like her posture isvery straight and she like

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barely moves and stuff.
She walks slow, like very likeif she has her arms out, they
kind of like stay.
And then, you know, when she'sinvestigating at the beginning
and she likes the way she sitson her legs, she's very still.
And then whenever uh Cartercomes in and she's laying down,
like sleeping, it's almost likehow you'd lay a doll down.

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And I was like, fuck.
The second time I watched it,I'm like, hell yeah.
That's cool.
I already thought about that.
And then like she's she's a bitdifferent after her doll gets
shot in the head.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:34):
Yeah, she passes out and wakes up in the basement.

SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
Yeah, so all right.
How in this movie would it bemore satisfying with you?
Would it be better if it wasn'tdolls?
Or just or just no supernaturalat all?
Well, yeah, or she can have likesome sort of weird psychic
thing, but just no dolls.

SPEAKER_01 (22:55):
I I just feel like uh Yeah, what if uh ca the
scenario I went through with inmy head was that the serial
killer kidnaps a father,tortures him, and then drives
him to the next target's placeand is like, look, if you don't
kill these people, I'm gonnakill, I'm gonna do what I did to
you, but to your daughter, orsomething like that.

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And then he just goes in andkills him.
And that that's like to me, Ifeel like that might have been a
little cooler.
It'd be scarier if it was morerealistic.
Or yeah, more a little morerealistic because sprinkling in
the supernatural stuff is cooland spooky, but then you find
out that it's it's not spooky,it's just the this crazy fucking

(23:40):
guy.
Yeah.
And that's something that Iwould be more scared of than the
devil.

SPEAKER_00 (23:45):
Yeah.
Yeah, I get it.
Um like my defense of that is Ifucking love movies with the
devil in it.

SPEAKER_01 (23:55):
It's so fucking it's just I think it can be done in
different ways, but I feel likeif this was a Stephen King
movie, I feel like he probablywould have done a better job
with the writing.
You know what?

SPEAKER_00 (24:05):
If I can be honest with you there, I completely
disagree with that.
Wow.
Cause just base I don't know.
I like Stephen King, but man,when I listen to his books,
because I don't read thembecause they're way too fucking
long, I'm always like other thanrevival, um, and even that,
there's it's Stephen King'scheesy to me.

(24:28):
He can be a lot of the times.
And um, but I do understand,like, I don't know.
Cause I guess you could like theway that he does his paranormal
stuff better, which I then Iunderstand.

SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
It reminds me of something Stephen King has done,
because there's his um there's aseries that came out a while
back, and in the series there'sthis guy from another dimension,
and when he f whenever he showsup, evil kind of follows him.

SPEAKER_03 (24:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (24:56):
And like he was he was outside of this family's
home, and they're like doing abirthday party for their son.
Yeah.
But when he gets close, theparents start fighting and then
the dad murders the whole familyand himself.
So like And it's a Stephen Kingseries?

SPEAKER_03 (25:12):
Yeah.
Um I can't remember what it wascalled.
But that it's kind of exactlywhat was going on here.

SPEAKER_01 (25:21):
So that's what I thought was happening.
But um, it's the devil.
It's like it takes place at aprison.

SPEAKER_00 (25:29):
Um The Life of Chuck?
Oh, yeah, that's it.
The protagonist Chuck approacheshis grandparents' house to
celebrate his birthday.
As he gets close, he hears hisfamily inside having a terrible
heated argument.
He's unsure if he should goinside or if they should just
walk away.

SPEAKER_01 (25:44):
Well, this one is like the there's a Oh, Castle
Rock.

SPEAKER_00 (25:48):
Castle Rock.
Yeah, I started watching that.
Um Yeah, what wasn't like theultimately the ending because
that has the guy from It thatplayed Pen Pennywise in it.
I didn't get all the waythrough.
We kinda we ended up stopwatching.
I should watch it because I Ireally ended up liking it, but
um, you know, I just didn'twatch a lot of I didn't really
like watching as much TV backthen as I do now.

(26:10):
Um I really like that we're kindof disagreeing on the movie a
little bit.
So I actually think this is avery fun conversation.
Yeah.
Um just actually I forgot onelittle bit of trivia.
So um Osgood Perkins and NicolasCage.
Um what did I put in my notes?
Um, Nicholas Cage and OsgoodPerkins made the movie as a

(26:32):
tribute to their mothers.
Oh, sweet.
So Osgood Perkins.
Um, you know who Anthony Perkinsis?
Name sounds familiar.
Psycho.
He's the guy in Psycho, uhNorman Bates or whatever his
name is.
Um so yeah, his father is umAnthony Perkins, who actually
was homosexual.
Um, but his mother kept that asecret the whole time.

(26:55):
They stayed together the wholetime, and so like some of the
idea of this movie came frommother keeping this secret from
her child, and that's where alittle bit of it comes from.
Secret shotgun.
Yeah, well, because you know,especially back in the day when,
you know, like psycho and allthat, whenever I mean people
weren't as accepting abouthomosexuality and stuff like
that.
So she really kind of saved hislife.

(27:15):
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Um and so he could continueworking, because especially back
then, people didn't go for thatshit.
Um, sadly.
So that was a little elementfrom Osgood's idea and like how
kind of the movie, now if youthink about it and like watch
the movie, it's like, oh, I seewhat they're doing.
Except he was just like, ah,let's also make it a serial
killer movie.
Right.
Um and Nicholas Cage, he playslong legs and said that he took

(27:37):
inspiration from his mother, wholived with conditions like
schizophrenia and severedepression throughout her life
until she died in 2021 whencreating the role.
It's the voices, it's not reallyhim.
He's just been hijacked bysomething else, he explained to
the Hollywood reporter.
I've also often thought, whatwas it that happened to my mom?
If any good in this movie, it'sbecause of my mother.

(27:58):
That's also that also gave me abit of empathy for the
character, as crazy as what whathis situation is and what he's
getting up to with theseeffigies.
He also told EntertainmentWeekly it was deeply personal
kind of performance for mebecause I grew up trying to cope
with what she was going through.
She would talk in terms thatwere kind of poetry.
I didn't know how else todescribe it.

(28:19):
I tried to put that in the longlegs character because he's
really a tragic entity.
He's at the mercy of thosevoices that are talking to him
and getting him to do thesethings.
So yeah, I guess like if they ifthey decided to go more your
way, it could have just been aguy with like schizophrenia or
whatever, and these voices inhis head.
He thinks it's the devil, butit's actually just he got messed

(28:40):
up brain.
And then in the 90s, peopledidn't really take care of
themselves, right?
Yeah.
They didn't believe in mentalhealth.
Yeah.
We still we're trying as hard aswe can not to believe in it
still.

SPEAKER_01 (28:51):
Um yeah.
Yeah, I I think it could havebeen the same movie.
It just you know.
Yeah, I mean, it really could.
But then it would have been, Iguess, more like Silence of the
Lambs.
Maybe they were trying to stayaway from that.

SPEAKER_00 (29:04):
Yeah, I think he I think he just took a lot of and
you know, uh last week Irecommended a movie called Black
Coat's Daughter to go along withHouse of the Devil, and that
which was him, and it's alsokind of got the same thing, like
very like devil-y and stuff likethat.
I definitely think OsgoodPerkins the boy, you know, the
boy the boy likes the devil.
You know what can what can wesay?

(29:26):
Uh all right.
So, Jason, we're gonna get intothe plot.
And I want everybody at home whoare listening or at your job, in
the car, whatever, think aboutwhat the point of the movie is
as we go through it.
Let's say if you watch the moviebut you didn't really think
much, like, what's the point ofthis movie?
Well, listen to us describe it,the plot and stuff, and then
think about what you think theplot point of the movie is, and

(29:47):
then leave us some fan mail andtell us what you think it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, Jason, let's get into let'sput our long legs on.
All right.
What are they?
I don't know.
I have average sized legs.
It just depends who I'm standingnext to.
So the movie starts off with aT-Rex song, quote, You've got

(30:10):
the teeth of the Hydra upon you.
You're dirty sweet, and you'remy girl.
Nice.
So in a prologue scene, we see acar driving up to a house in a
snowy, snowy filled land.
A little girl notices anunfamiliar car parked outside of
her house from her bedroomwindow.
She grabs her polaroid Polaroidcamera and goes outside to

(30:33):
investigate.
There is a cloaked figure in thepassenger seat, but before she
can investigate further, shehears a voice behind her house.
She goes to see who you need,like you just see him kind of
poked his head out a little bitand then comes back.
And it's like she goes to seewho it is and is greeted by a
person with a pale white face.
Um, but first we just see, like,just kind of like up to his

(30:56):
chest.
And then you hear him, and he'slike, You sound weird.
You don't sound like I like thesound of his voice.
You don't sound like Nick Cage.
Then it's like, it seems I woremy long legs today.
And then it's like, let me whathappens if I just so fucking
weird.

SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
Good, right?
Yeah, it was amazing.
Great start.
Uh I don't even recognize it asbeing Nicolas Cage at first.

SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
And I I love the little square frame, the
four-three ratio it has.
It's just, I don't know, itmakes it immediately
off-putting.
It's like this isn't how we seethings anymore.
It's either in where there's thebars at the top or the bottom,
or it's fitted for our phone.
Um, but yeah, I just said hellyeah.

SPEAKER_01 (31:38):
So like they didn't show his feet, so I was like,
maybe the long legs, maybe he'swearing other people's feet on
his feet.

SPEAKER_00 (31:43):
Maybe he's got bird legs, and we just can't see it.
Yes.
I put my bird legs on.
And then we get part one hisletters.
Me, me.
Turns out like long legs is justuh he's a wily coyote.
Um, so we got FBI agent LeeHarker and her colleagues are on

(32:05):
a manhut for a serial killer.
While knocking on doors in aneighborhood, um, her partner
that is she's with, he goes todoor to door and she stays in
the car while um the partnershe's with at the moment is
trying to find out where thislike killer is or whatever.
But she gets out of the car andfeels that it is a certain
house, which is great.
It's like we're really seeingthis wide lens because you know

(32:26):
we see her get out of the car,kind of walk around, then she
walks up to the lens or like thecamera.
Love when they do that.
It's great.
I love every movie that does it,every movie should do it.
Um, and then she looks at thishouse and then like her partner
comes up, it's like, it's thatone.
And it's like, let's call it infor backup.
And he's like, What the fuck?
You just got out of the car, youdidn't do anything.
She hates calling in for backup.

(32:48):
She doesn't do it ever.
Well, she wanted to, but thepartner was like, we can't just
go off a hunch.
Um, and then so her partner'slike, I'll go, I'll go knock on
this door.
She kind of walks up behind him.
Then he's like, Hey, by the way,uh, I we're I'm the FBI.
I just want to like get it, andthen bang, bam.
It's like, okay, what?
Shit.

SPEAKER_01 (33:08):
And then she's like, Well, I guess I have to go in.
Dude, that's when you call in.
Yeah, that's when she's like,uh, help.
Yeah, help, please.
I'm alone with a person with thecity.

SPEAKER_00 (33:16):
But then it's just like, I hope he doesn't run out
back.
You kind of gotta get him now.
He just killed one of yourpartners.
Yeah, call some way first.
You got time.
And then uh so Harker, she'sjarred.
In the rest of this film, youcan kind of see that, you know,
she almost like has PTSDthroughout the rest of the film.
I could see that.
Which maybe almost puts her intothat doll mode or something.

(33:36):
She goes into the house, it'slined with plastic sheets
throughout the house.
She sees the man who giveshimself up on the bed, um, and
then that's it.
And then we kind of cut tolater, it's like, what was this
guy doing?

SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
Was he about to he was squatting?
Squatting?
Is that what it is?
That's all it was.
Covering everything in plastic.

SPEAKER_00 (33:56):
It's like, was there a family in there that he was
about to kill or something?
I mean, probably maybe it washis kill room.
Yeah.
It seemed like it, right?
Yeah.
Dexter.
So later, Harker is doing a testwhere she has she has to assign
things or numbers to randompictures and shapes.
Um, and then we cut it in a carwith Agent Carter.
He says the tests reveal thatshe possesses psychic abilities.

(34:17):
Yeah, we can test for that.
Well, I guess it was justbecause I'm assuming they put
the patterns up and they, Idon't know, probably put a word
that goes with it, and then shewas guessing all the words
right, and then she got so shehad to guess 16 numbers, she
guessed eight right and eightincorrect.

SPEAKER_01 (34:34):
That's not amazing.
Can you guess?
That's if I gave you 16 numbersand I was like, all right, one
through a hundred.
If you were to go through a deckof cards and try to guess the
cards on average, you would getfour out of 52 right.

unknown (34:47):
Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
Well, if you're guessing numbers on a card, you
also have to say the suit.
If you're gonna make it if youwant it to be impressive, but
you could easily get all eightsuits wrong.
Probably, you're probably gonnaget a lot wrong.
I mean, like, what if what iflike all the numbers were just
zero and she never guessed zero?
It'd be like, oh fuck, thisbitch can't guess anything.
She ain't psychic.
Um, so yeah, uh as a result,Harker is assigned to the open

(35:12):
case of Long Legs, the mainsuspect in a serial brutal
murder suicides targetingfamilies.
Uh, we learn all the victimsshare the same birthday, and
each crime scene features acryptic letter signed Long Legs.
There are no other traces ofkiller the killer at the scenes.
There are 10 letters, 10families over 30 years.
Carter believes someone ismaking the fathers kill the

(35:34):
families.
What do you think about that?
That's pretty cool.
I mean, I I at any point, allthese could be just chalked up
to.
Um, yeah, it's just like crazy.
Another family annihilator.
Yeah, this is familyannihilated.
We have like five of them ayear.
But it's like the letters, longlegs, and like the cryptic like
messaging on it.

SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
Yeah, I mean, we'll probably get into it a little
later, but the whole likebirthday thing really doesn't
have any unless he's trying toleave a trail for her.

SPEAKER_00 (36:01):
Or like Well, it's just um it's just the way I
guess he uses the algorithm,right, that he made up.

SPEAKER_01 (36:06):
It just doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
Well, because he's using symbolism.
And so like the invertedtriangle is essentially making a
pentagram with the way that he'skilling people and how he so by
doing it, so all the childrenare born on the 14th and they're
being killed either six daysbefore or six days after their
birthday.
Yes, and then when you put itall together and uh you put them
on top of each other, it makes apentagram.

(36:29):
Right.
That's what Satan is.
People thought they did.
Which is I don't know.
Yeah.
I guess it could have kind ofexplained that a little bit
better, but I felt like they'renot just killing the girls or
kidnapping them or doing it.
Yeah, the whole family does.

SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
Their birthdays are on the 14th.

SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
I'm sorry.
I guess the devil should havebeen a little bit more
considerate, Jason.
Yeah let me call them up and belike, devil, come on now.
It's not the valley girl devilthat we made in the House of the
Devil.
This one's like OG, like I'm the90s devil.

SPEAKER_01 (37:05):
14 doesn't mean shit to the devil.

SPEAKER_00 (37:08):
I mean, but yeah, 666 just stands for Euro.
This is how he this is how thisis how his minion decided to do
it.
Hell yeah.
And plus, this is like a crazyguy that uh was just you know
searching for symbols, right?
I guess so.
You know, they always say thatkind of ritualistic killers,
they always have they have theirown weird symbology and stuff

(37:29):
like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
Yeah.
So I went.
That's the zodiac part.
Yeah.
Um, so uh yeah, Harker's task isto decipher decipher the
letters, which contain satanicsymbols and codes.
Harker sets up all the evidence.
We hear a tape playing of afather saying his daughter isn't
his actual daughter, and we hearhim killing the family, and we

(37:51):
see a lot of gruesome crimescene photos.
Yeah.
And I love when we get to theend and we kind of see how it,
you know, because at this pointwe hear the thing on the phone
and it's like, okay, kind ofweird, but we don't see it
playing out in front of us kindof like later with Carter and
the mother.
Dude, I can't wait to get there.
So I just kind of like howconfused, nervous, and angry it

(38:16):
kind of makes the people towhere they're just they'll just
say something, and all of asudden it's like, well, you
fucking brought it up, and it'slike, wait, why are you doing
this?
And I could see it almost havingmaybe references to maybe like
alcoholic families and thingslike that, where it's like
everything's happy, but becauseyou know, the alcohol, you say
the wrong thing.
It's because of that and theyall of a sudden like their
temper and everything changesand kind of get nervous.

SPEAKER_01 (38:38):
Ashley's been collecting a lot of dolls
lately.
I'm fucked.

SPEAKER_00 (38:41):
Yeah, bro.
Get out.
I feel like if I live in a houseat tops three dolls, only three
dolls a lot in the house.

SPEAKER_01 (38:50):
There's like a three-foot-tall one of a little
boy that's got part of its bodyis damaged, and it's scary as
hell.
I hate it.
It's in the closet.
I don't I'll do nothing.
Is there a reason y'all arekeeping it?
Don't ask me.

SPEAKER_00 (39:03):
Well, if you need I would I would say if you need me
to like secretly break into yourhouse and steal this thing and
throw it away, I would, but thenit would probably follow me
home.
It probably needs to be cleansedwith some kind of ritual.
It's like that uh those dollswhen it was like me, you, and
Dakota, like the dolls that youlean up against the wall and
it's like they're in timeout,the timeout dolls.
Oh man.
They have no face, they're justlike their heads-that's awful.

(39:24):
You remember those though,right?
No, yeah, we talked about thembefore.
Maybe I just thought, God, itsounds horrible.
You just have to look it up.
Because like I grew up with thema lot.
Like a lot of my family hadthose.
And it's like that is such astrange thing to have.
It's like now I wish if I couldjust talk bluntly to my family,
I'd be like, what the fuck iswrong with you?

(39:45):
Because they were kind of creepyeven as a kid.
You know, I played with them,but you know, you walk into the
house and see that, it's like,oh, that's not real.
Oh, what's that thing overthere?
Oh, it's in timeout.
It's like no wonder people backin the day had satanic panic.
They had like creepy ass toysall the time.

SPEAKER_01 (40:02):
It's like we were in children's poems, like long
legs.
Born to be scared.

SPEAKER_00 (40:07):
So, um, following a long first day, Harker and her
supervisor, Agent Carter, go fora drink.
He asks what she sees in theevidence.
She says that he is never thereat the crime scene, long legs
is, but he does leave theletters.
She brings up the possibility ofaccomplices.
Because there's no physicalevidence of long legs.

SPEAKER_01 (40:27):
But the only thing left is letters.
But there's no what about histhe her mom?
Is there's never any evidence ofher being there?

SPEAKER_00 (40:34):
I guess not.

SPEAKER_01 (40:34):
Just like a nun?

SPEAKER_00 (40:35):
Yeah, it's a nun.
And plus, like, because thedolls are never found.
So the dolls are always hiddenor being taken away.
So um I mean, just leave themthe doll.
She made it just for them.
Nuns can wear gloves.
Yeah, probably.
I don't know.
So Harker drives Carter home andbegrudgingly meets his wife Anna

(40:55):
and their daughter Ruby, whereshe agrees to attend Ruby's
birthday party in weeks' time.
They talk in Ruby's room, uhRuby's bedroom for a while.
Uh, this is where I put like inmy notes.
Like, damn, dude, she's juststraight up sitting like a doll,
like how we see the doll sitthroughout the rest of the
movie.
I just thought maybe she justwasn't good with kids.
Yeah.
Well, I think also it's becauseshe just saw one of her partners
get shot in the head, and nowshe's immediately being

(41:18):
partnered up with Carter, andhe's like, You want to meet my
kid family?
I'm like, I just saw someonedie, and I if you die, this is
gonna fuck me up even more.

SPEAKER_01 (41:26):
Yeah, well, he brings her in so he doesn't get
in as much trouble with hiswife.
That's exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_00 (41:31):
And plus it's smart because it's like, hey, this is
the person I'm working with onthe case.
I'm not cheating on you.
Yeah.
But she is a girl.
I want you to meet her type ofsituation.
Yeah.
By the way, she can read yourthoughts.
Um, we learn that Harker alsowanted to be an actress growing
up instead of an FBI agent, butshe ended up becoming one.
She tells Ruby, it is scary tobe a female FBI agent.

(41:55):
Yeah, about uh yep.
Uh I have wrote some stuff, butI don't know what they mean now.
Okay.
So uh Harker goes home, Harkerhears loud music briefly outside
of her home, just like it's likemaybe like two or three seconds,
she like turns around and thenit stops, and it's like, that
could be anything, right?
I'm surely long legs isn't justlike a loser in a basement that

(42:18):
listens to like hair metalbands, right?
At home, she calls her mom, andthere is one thing where uh when
they're at Ruby's, like, oh man,it's already the next day.
And then she goes home, callsher mom, and it's like, she's
up.
It's like, is this like 3 a.m.
in the morning?
You called your mom and she'sup.
But we'll learn that her momisn't normal.

(42:39):
No.
She tells her mom she can'tsleep because of work, then she
hears a knock at the door.
At first, she kind of hears likeuh almost like someone standing
there and like said something.
She's like she's looking, andthen she like gets off the phone
with her mom and then like knockat the door.
This is where um the space isthis whole scene, the space is

(42:59):
used really well.
Yeah.
Um and so she goes outside.
So when she hears the knock, shegoes outside to investigate.
She sees the figure inside her,or she sees a figure outside in
the woods, and she's like, Ohshit, gets her gun, runs
outside, it's not there.
And then she goes and turnsaround and sees someone in her
house putting a note down.
God damn it.
And then she runs in real quickand nobody's there, and she just

(43:22):
sees a note that says, uh, is itlike happy birthday on it or
whatever?
And it says long legs.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:28):
Scary ass card, birthday card.
And it's great.
No, it's so good.
I'm just so glad she has a gun.
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 (43:37):
It's like, thank God this is an FBI agent.
And then we got to part two, allof your things.
So she opens the birthday cardand it's more weird symbols, and
the ink is wet still, so it'slike he just literally wrote it.
Spit on it.
She has Satan.
She hears small noises aroundher, and this is where it's

(43:58):
like, shit, and somewherethere's a devil.
I couldn't see because the glareon my TV really pissed me off.
Um, and like it's this greatshot where there's like two
doorways behind her, and it'slike they could be anywhere.
Yeah, or just they're just gonnashow up at any moment.
Yeah, and just kill her.
Um, so she uh she begins workingon the letter and it says, Tell

(44:19):
them how you got this, how itcame into your head.
I'll cut off her hanging milktits and bleed your mommy dead.

SPEAKER_04 (44:27):
Yeah, that sucks.
Nursery rhyme.
Yay!

SPEAKER_00 (44:30):
I remember when my dad read that nursery rhyme to
me all the time.
I'm like, please don't do thatto my mom's milk tits.
Regret saying that.
Oh my god.
Um, and then she she's getting acall from her mom.
She lets it go to voicemail, andlike we're like, which is even

(44:50):
more fun because you know themom is knows what's going on.
Um and then she gets a call fromCarter about a crime.
So then she's off to go to thisother crime.
Great scene.
Thank goodness.
Honestly, it's probably eitherthe second or third best scene
in the movie.
Obviously, the first is theinterrogation scene.
Um, but when I think of thismovie, I think of the
interrogation scene and I thinkof this scene.

(45:12):
Yeah, I was definitely afraid.
This is great.
I mean, it's just like OsgoodPerkins' like masterful scene.
It's just wonderful.
It's like a little chase.
Even the house, it's got liketoo many open windows, like big
windows.

SPEAKER_01 (45:24):
Like, I hate that.

SPEAKER_00 (45:24):
It's like I always say I want to live like kind of
where no one's around.
You know, don't have to be toofar from like a city or
whatever, but just kind of likean open field, maybe some woods
nearby.
And then I watch horror moviesand I'm like, nah, I'm good,
actually.
Let's actually rethink that,Jesse.
So she goes to another crimescene.

(45:46):
We learn that at this crimescene the family has been dead
for a month.
They're supposed to be on atrip.
We um, and then we kind of theygo in.
Um, that's why like nobody likereported it.
They're like, wait, these guyshave been gone a long time.
Call the cops, they walk in.
Turns out bodyful covered ofmaggots.
You know, that's awful.
There's also a cat in there.
I'm assuming the cat probablyate some of them.
Had a little bit of it's like,oh, finally I get to eat this

(46:08):
family.
Um, but yeah, it's really grossand great, and it's very
seven-like.
It is.
Yeah.
A really gross.
Uh I almost suggested doingseven uh a little bit earlier.
Like I was I was thinking aboutmaybe doing after Return of the
Evil Dead or after the House ofthe Devil, and then we ended up
doing long legs, and it's like,hey, we're doing it.
Oh yeah.
Um Hawker calls her mom and saysshe can't visit her about

(46:32):
something vague.
I don't know.
Her mom asks if she still saysher prayers because they protect
her from the devil.
Um, mom sounds weird, right?
Yeah, yeah, but just overlyreligious kind of it it really
reminds me of House of theDevil, like the phone calls
does, because it's like theperson sounds calm on the phone,
but there's also something offabout them.
And it's kind of the way thismom is like, and then when you

(46:54):
meet her, you're like, that'sexactly how she sounded.
She sounded spacey and weird.
She's got kind of a crazy face.
Yeah.
Um, so while looking into someevidence and finding more
patterns, she finds one, buthears whispers and a bump
against the window where wevaguely see a devilish figure
vanish, vanish.
And I love um, it's so, it's soseven-like because there's a

(47:15):
part in seven that's whereMorgan Freeman goes to a library
and he's like finding all thisstuff, and it's like, ah, love
it.
Homages.
Um, but also I forgot to mentionthe way that she finds out the
patterns on all this, yeah, isthe word long legs was the key
to all the the things.
How did she okay?
And she also has like the book,uh, she also kind of uses the

(47:38):
Bible.
She used the Bible and then sheused the seven circles, nine
circles of hell book, whateverthat is.

SPEAKER_01 (47:43):
Yeah, and that's where she gets the inverted
triangle, which we're about togo into a little bit.
I wonder if do you think shefound the books using her
psychic abilities?
I mean, like turn to the becauseit kind of played the the music.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:57):
Well that that's a lot of it on why she's able to
uh be able to do all this.
Psychic impossible.
It's because like uh the dollsin her head.
It's like the show's psych.
Yeah.
But a real psychic.
Yeah.
Instead of fake psychics.
I've never watched that show andI really wanted to.
I always heard it was good.
It's fine.
I heard a lot of people waslike, it's funny.
It's kind of entertaining.
And like it's there's the theboys are silly.

(48:20):
And everybody loves silly boys.
I should watch the uh SherlockHolmes TV series.
The one with Nick uh BenedictCumberbatch.
Yeah, it's really good.
I always wanted to, and I justnever got to it.
Maybe now that I'm watching alot of TV, like maybe one on our
list, because I love MartinFreeman and Benedict
Cumberbatch's weird alienbugface.
Um so yeah.

(48:40):
Parker tells um Carter that thedeaths are an algorithm.
All the deaths create aninverted triangle.
He kills people six days beforeor after the girl's birthday,
and on the f and one of thefamily's girl girls, Carrie Ann,
uh camera, survived because shewasn't home.
Carter and Harker are going tothe former crime scene to look

(49:04):
around.
Yeah, this is where she explainsthat like if you fold them, they
make like an inverted triangle.

SPEAKER_01 (49:09):
That didn't make sense to me.

SPEAKER_00 (49:10):
Like I I just I didn't buy it.
Well, so okay.
So, you know, she draws a line,she puts all she puts all the
months, right?
And then puts one through 30,31, 29, 28.
And then she draws it and thetop part forms a triangle.
And she's looking at the ninecircles of hail, which is
helping her find the pattern.

SPEAKER_01 (49:30):
Yeah, but there's also like a bunch of different
other points, plot points onthat thing she was looking at.
And then, but you have to foldit.

SPEAKER_00 (49:37):
Yeah, and when you do these, but when you fold it,
one triangle is pointed one way,the other one's pointed another
way, which creates thepentagram.
Gotcha.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:46):
I thought it was just a triangle.
I don't remember seeing apentagram.
I'm sorry, Jason.

SPEAKER_00 (49:51):
I guess this movie should hold your hand more.
Sorry, I I'm just able to thinkfor myself, I guess.
I don't know why I'm doing thatbefore.
It's because I talked aboutValley Girl Devil.
Now it's in my head.
But no, though, I mean that'swhat that's what it's trying to
do.
I mean, I guess it could havedone it a little bit more.
Because I do understand thefirst time I watched it, I
didn't fully get it, but youknow, knowing the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 (50:14):
Like the picture in the book wasn't even a
pentagram.

SPEAKER_00 (50:16):
Yeah, it was just the triangle with a yeah, there
was like a star and one, right?
I can't fucking remember.
There was weird symbols, buteverybody knows a pentagram,
right?
That's like devil shit.
There wasn't even a pentagram.
I'll give up.
She said inverted triangle.
I know.
But it's I think you're justsupposed to get it from like
when she draws and she draws onetriangle and then another
triangle, and it's like, oh, andthere's one, oh, also, and they

(50:38):
do mention there's one day umthat hasn't been circled yet.
Yeah.
And that's I'm assuming is hers.
Yeah.
And I'm I I assume that'ssupposed to be hers because you
know uh she was saved orwhatever by her mother, which
we'll get there.
Um, so I'm talking really fast.

(50:58):
I got listening to the VHS bonusepisodes, like the second
honeymoon one, I'm like, blahblah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah.
I'm like, chill the fuck out,me.
Golly, it's the coffee.
It's just the coffee.
It's like I'm sorry.
Also, just talk fast in general.
So following a clue that says Xmarks the spark spot.
Um, yeah, they so they go to theold like camera family's house,

(51:20):
they go into the barn, they seelike a bunch of crosses on it
that are kind of turned to whereit's like X, she's like X marks
the spot, and they go in and allthe crosses are kind of pointing
to where they want her to go.
And it's like, hell yeah,symbolism and shit.

SPEAKER_01 (51:35):
And at the top of this there, there's a box being
held up by a stick with a stringtied to it.

SPEAKER_00 (51:40):
Yeah, with just a few little skittles in there.
She's like, oh, some candy.
Um, and then like they go upthere and they see a cross on
the ground, and then they movethe cross, open up underneath
the ground, and there's a box uhwith a doll in it.

SPEAKER_01 (51:54):
Dead child in it.
Yeah, it looks like a deadchild.

SPEAKER_00 (51:57):
It's so good.
So glad it's good.
It's really good at these dolls.
Yeah.
Um, and I love that they pick itup and they're like, what the
fuck?
And then, you know, you see it,and the dolls' eyes are closed,
and you're like, I know it'sgonna happen.
The note has like a link to hisEtsy story.
Yeah, it's like, hit me up, yo.
These are$50 a piece.
And then, of course, before itcuts another scene, the doll's

(52:19):
eyes open up because Carrie Ann.

SPEAKER_01 (52:22):
Whoever thought of putting that mechanic into
dolls, fuck you.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:27):
You know, actually, whoever invented dolls,
porcelain realistic dolls, fuckoff.
What were you doing?
God, I guess when, like, youknow, because you know, when
they made porcelain dolls, uh,everything sucked and was
probably terrible and hard, likeeverybody's lives are hard, and
we're like, this doll is not thescariest thing out there, I

(52:48):
promise.
There's people who just step ona rusty knell and that's their
life, baby.
So um, we learn the doll, thedoll.
The doll is porcelain and hashuman hair.
Inside its head, they find astrange metal orb.
When an ultrasound is performedon the orb, it emiss emits a
whisper-like noise and triggersHarker's psychic psychic

(53:10):
abilities.
Um, then we cut to the dolllooking into the mirror, and
long legs comes into frame.
I know you're not afraid of alittle dark because you are the
dark, and then puts the fuckingdeath shroud on it.

SPEAKER_01 (53:22):
Yeah.
And it's like, man, um and thenyou know what?
They don't mention the ballsever again.
Well, until he says they cut itopen.

SPEAKER_00 (53:32):
Yeah.
Um so, and the cool thing is,um, so during this whole
conversation, the corner orwhatever, whoever is like
undoing the dogs.
Well, yeah, so he kind of is.
He's falling into the trance ofit.
Yeah.
And what I think the ball doesis it creates anger built up by
past like uh like family angeror whatever, or whatever your

(53:58):
anger is towards like the personthat you're married to and
you're like your family.
Because he says that he was likedivorced, right?
He doesn't he doesn't have awife anymore, but he said that
he had um flashes of hisex-wife.

SPEAKER_01 (54:10):
Yeah, I thought it was whispering to him.

SPEAKER_00 (54:12):
Yeah.
So he's just like it was thatwhisper, it's like, you gotta
fucking kill our which isexciting.
It's like our little clue thatthat's what's going on.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I guess it's notreally the clue.
The clue was, hey, these fallersare killing these families.
But it's just kind of it givesyou a little edge, like, oh,
whatever's in this thing makespeople think of someone they
want to kill.
Yeah, hell yeah.
Whatever resentfulness they havefor people.

(54:34):
Um, but yeah, then so we cut tolong legs driving and listening
to T-Rex.
He goes to a mom and pop store,he acts weird to the cashier.

SPEAKER_01 (54:48):
I love the girl though.
She immediately calls for herdad, and then the gross guy's
back.

SPEAKER_00 (54:53):
She's like, Okay, what else do you want?
Dad, gross guy's back.
And then we cut to long legsdriving, Daddy, mommy, unmake me
and save me from the hell ofliving.
Yeah, I love it.
You ever do that in your car?
In your car, scream?
Yeah, yeah, just let out a Idon't do it like often, but

(55:16):
sometimes when I'm just likereally pissed off at something,
I've done it, you know.
Just like, because the car islike the perfect place while
driving to let out your rage,you know?

SPEAKER_01 (55:26):
One time I butt dialed a one of my friends, and
she and I and I was I was so madat something.
I saw I was screaming at him inthe car, and she called me back.
I was like, oh hey, what's up?
She goes, What the fuck did youjust call?

SPEAKER_00 (55:40):
What are you doing?
Yeah.
It's like, what are you talkingabout?
I was so embarrassed.
One of the a weird thing thathappened to me, so like I kind
of have a weird thing with mytongue.
I have a big tongue.
Yeah.
So like, like I play with it inmy mouth a lot.
Like I'll like, you know, Itwist it and like I'll just I'll
do that where I like stick itout and stuff.

(56:00):
And there's one time I was doingit, I God, I sound like a
fucking freak now.
It's just, I don't know.
I guess I have a weird oralfixation because I have a big
tongue.
I don't know.
And so I was just like drivingand I was like, oh, I think
something's on my tongue.
And I was like, doing that,looking in my rearview mirror,
and I guess some of my friendspassed me and they're like, they
called and like, what are youdoing?
I was like, I really have noexplanation of this.

(56:20):
There's nothing I can say thatmakes this normal.
I was like, oh, I just thoughtthere was like something on my
tongue.
And they're like, okay.
And I was like, well, I reallydid.
But also, I'm just kind of weirdwith my tongue.
So, Harker, they're gonna govisit Carrie-Ann Camera along
with Carter, the lone survivorof former crime scene in a
mental institute.
Apparently, Carrie Ann wascatatonic for years until she

(56:40):
had her first visitor.
When looking at the log, Harkersees her name is written down.
I wasn't here.
But it just I bet that dollopened her eyes whenever Carrie
Ann became normal again.
Because that was her doll.
That was burst.
Yeah.
That was her doll that theyfound.
Um, so Carrie Ann retells thestory of receiving one of Long

(57:03):
Legs' dolls as a birthday gift.
We see visuals of her momstabbing the dolls because I
guess it was a very painfulpregnancy and they were taking
it on the doll.
Her father acting like the dollis his daughter, um, cutting off
a cow head.
A peacher.
Sweet.
Why'd you do that?
Just anger.
Probably fucking pissed at thesecows because they're not doing
it right now.
Looking at me wrong.
Uh we see a preacher come in, helike says hi to him, he goes and

(57:26):
looks at the doll, comes in.
Oh, just come get your cow head.
And then he gets like axed bythe father.
Blood spurts out on the wall.
Yeah, and then like the mothercomes into frame, just kind of
looking at the doll.
Oh, the she's looking at thedoll.
Yeah, and then like hits him,and then she puts her hand up
and hits him again.
And that's just kind of what wefound.
Uh and then the fucking psychic.

(57:46):
Yes.
The girl tells us like we hearvoices from inside the doll
instructing her what to do.
She calls him the man under thestairs.
She explains her unwaveringobedience to Long Leg, stating
she would do anything for him inclaims.
That's weird.
Yeah.
Why?
Including committing suicide andeven murder Hawker Hawker.
She alludes that Hawker knowshim, but doesn't remember you

(58:10):
dirtsy, flirty old bitch.
Yeah, I know this girl has gotproblems.
Yeah.
She was in a she's in a lot ofMike Flanagan stuff.
Um some of that.
No, wait, she's Sabrina.
The new Sabrina.

SPEAKER_01 (58:24):
Yeah, that's her.
That's right.
So but because of the scene, Ithought for sure that Long Legs
had like a cult.
And he was like the head oflike, because even he's kind of
dressed like a fucking preacher.

SPEAKER_00 (58:34):
But he's Long Legs isn't like a cult leader.
He is a part, he's a part of acult of the devil.
He's a satanic cult.

SPEAKER_01 (58:44):
I guess, but there's not really like I thought that
they were all connected in acult, and maybe that's how he's
getting people to do thesethings.

SPEAKER_00 (58:50):
Yeah, well, he he, I guess it's it's not him doing
it, it's the devil's.
Yeah, and putting the essence ofSatan in it.
Which is which is metal.
He it's rap.
Yeah, it's like cool idea, bro.
Um, but it's like the idea isthat he's being kind of
controlled by he is uh, I guessin his own trance by the devil,

(59:12):
and you know, he's a Satanist,he's and then he's like found
some way where the devil's like,hey, you my boy, you like T-Rex,
I like T-Rex.
So also I noticed that you'rereally good at making dolls,
dog.
Um Pit Bull, yeah, Mr.
Worldwide.
Uh have you ever heard ofUmbrella by Rihanna?
Hell of a song.
Great song if you have anumbrella and it's raining.

(59:33):
Um but yeah, so essentially,like I guess he's able to put
the essence of Satan in theselittle or balls, or maybe the
balls already exist and he justhas them.
Satan's like, hey, knocks on thedoor, here's a ball, dog.
This is the sack of balls.
Yeah, here's a sack of balls tohave a little bit of me in them.
Um, and then he puts them inthese dolls and gives it to

(59:54):
these people who are thesedolls.
Um, and then we cut to Long Legssitting in bed reading a
Satanist book in what looks tobe a basement.
Whose?
We'll never know, but it seemslike he's a part of the
Downstairs Man.
This was a book it'd definitelybe called The Downstairs Man.

(01:00:16):
The Downstairs Man.
Downstairs man.
Um so Carter and Hawker arediscussing the case.
Harker still believes that LongLegs must have acted with an
accomplice.
By combining combining all thecollected data, she realizes
that the dates of the murdersfrom form an upside-down
pentagram uh with one datemissing to complete the shape.
So Carter doesn't understand whythe case went from nothing to to

(01:00:37):
nothing happening to now thatHarker is on the case, that
there's so much movement in thecase.
He asks her.
Right.
Well, just someone that's likeconnected mentally to the whole
situation.
Yeah.
He asks about her mom, who onJanuary 13th, 1974, called the
cops the day before her ownbirthday, which is the 14th.
Damn it.

(01:00:59):
They had um uh apparently theyhad a trespass that was a tall
and pale man.
Carter tells her to go see hermother.
So she goes to visit her mother.
The first uh sits down, andyou're like, This girl looks
spacey as shit.
Who is this girl?
Um her witchy hair.
Yeah.

(01:01:20):
And then so the first thing hermother asks is if she says her
prayers, and Harker says nobecause they scare her.
Um, and her mom says, Yeah,you're right.
She starts to kind of laugh.
That was awesome.
Prayers don't help us, theydon't do a goddamn thing.
Yes, which there seems to be abig debate in our country right
now about thoughts and prayers,you know.
But she still believes that theydo, right?

(01:01:41):
Or is she she's at this pointcompletely tainted with the
devil?
She's insane.
With her like a little speech atthe end.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um, so while making her mom somefood, she hears noises coming
from a door, then a flashback toher mom saying she will be off
for Lee's birthday, then a carpulling up to her house, and the
mom trying to call 911, but thephone is whispering.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:03):
Yeah, that was crazy.
Um how do you think he did that?
Dude, the f it's the metal ball.
The devil.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:10):
The devil.
Yeah, you know, like classicsatanic metal balls, they always
interfere with your cell phoneservice, dude.
Every time he's like, I got abad connection, God dang it,
devil.
Get out of here.
Um, so then we're back to thepresent, and Lee can't get into
the door because it's locked.
As she's about to get in there,her um mom calls, Lee.

(01:02:30):
Um, she asks about her mom abouther ninth birthday.
Her mom says she doesn'tremember anything about that
day.
When Harker presses her, shejust keeps deflecting.
Then she says, She is lucky, shegot to grow up.
Life is hard on little things.
Yeah.
She's allowed to grow like, whatthe fuck do you mean allowed?
Yeah.
It's like, what are you talkingabout, mom?
Uh, then she gives her a hintsaying she kept everything,

(01:02:52):
they're all in her room.
Oh, I'd hate that.
I'd be like, Cool, mom.
You want to go bring that downhere?
Because I don't think I trustyou at this moment.
So Harker goes upstairs, shefinds a chest in her childhood
bedroom containing a stack ofPolaroids.
Among them is a picture of apale-faced man who she believes
to be long legs.
We see like a flash of like thelike she picks up the thing and

(01:03:16):
it just like flashes to like thepresent at the very beginning of
the movie.
Yeah.
We see a flash, and now sheknows she was the little girl
from the beginning, or we knowthat now.
We cut to the beginning.
Um, we have long legs singing,uh, let me in now, and it can be
nice.
Make me go now, and I'll have tocome back.
Not once, not twice, but as manytimes as I'd like.
Fuck him.

(01:03:36):
That was horrible.
Which is what happens becausenow that's to me, that's scarier
than just the just thesupernatural stuff.
Can they both just be scary atthe same time?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:49):
It just doesn't make sense to me, and it doesn't fit
in my brain.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:52):
Well, I get it.
Because it's just like there's apart of you that's like, I don't
want any religious elements onit, right?
Is that kind of what you'reseeing?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:00):
Not that I don't want any religious elements, but
if you're going to try I don'tknow, I feel like they were
trying going two differentdirections, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:06):
Yeah.
Well, I get it because we haveso many movies like this where
there is no uh paranormal shit,right?
And it's just like a crazyperson who believes too much in
like a weird religion, but noneof it's actually real, it's just
a bad person, right?
Yeah.
And we see that so much, but Ifeel like the director and

(01:04:28):
writer, Osgood Perkins, was justlike, I like those movies, but
also like my dang ass freakyhorror shit.
And he put them together.
And I do understand that, like,if it doesn't fully work, you
know, preferences on movies andhow you want them to go.
I get that.
I was just confused.
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:43):
I don't like being confused.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:44):
I hate being confused.
It's the devil, they get it.
Try to confuse me.
Don't whenever we do moviesabout devils, I can't control
which voice of movies.
It's so weird.
Though often, like whenever Ihang out with people and talk
for long periods of time, I useweird voices, so it makes sense.
So the uh the uh where was I?

(01:05:06):
So yeah, um, this picture leadsthem to track him down because
it goes to Carter, it's like,hey, this is a fucking guy,
right?
Yeah, it's like solved.
It's like, should we likecontinue to do it just based on
this picture?
And she's like, This is him.
Then how do they find him?
Um, I don't know.
The way people find people, Idon't know.

unknown (01:05:24):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:25):
So I mean, it's it's not sure it's not like he just
stays in his basement, right?
He walks around and about.
I'm sure like they're like, hey,has anybody seen what this
person looks like?
And they're obviously aroundthat area, probably went to
police station and be like,yeah, we get weird phone calls
about this guy all the time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:39):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's because you're notreally needed.
I mean, I feel like becausewell, people like me need a
process.
Well, I do get that.
It just jumped from, oh, we gota photo of him, we don't know
who he looks like.
Now we know exactly where helives.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:53):
Yeah.
It's just kind of cutting outthe uh it's cutting out all the
just like a scene of like allthe boring detective work.
Hey, cop, hey, cops of thisarea, have you seen this guy?
Oh, you know who he is?
Yeah, that's it.
So this picture leads him totrack him down and arrest him in
broad daylight as he waits for abus.
So was he leaving?
Did he know he was caught?
Yeah, I think he knew.

(01:06:13):
Like he probably planned it.
Because I mean he had it liketwo suitcases, right?
Because he said he was going onvacation.
I think his I think his idea washe had like one last thing to
do, and it was kill the Carterfamily to complete his
pentagram, maybe.
He knows it's already gonnahappen.
And maybe like if that happened,which we'll get there, right?
But let's remember there's oneday that needed to be ha be done

(01:06:34):
at the end of this movie,someone does die.
Maybe that is what the missingdate is, and then we'll discuss
what that may mean at the end.
Okay.
So, um during the FBIinterrogation, Longled states
his full name as Del FerdinandCobble and expresses his desire
to see Harker singing her happybirthday.
All right.
That was creepy as hell.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:55):
So I think that's what um I don't know.
This is tough.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:04):
All right, so I guess we're just gonna keep
going back to what type of movieit should have been, right?
Because it does remind me alittle bit of House of the
Devil, which we just kind ofdid, of where it could have just
been like that movie could havejust been weird people call this
babysitter over in the killer.
But it's like, hey, actually,Satan.
Satan.
And this is kind of a moviewhere it's like, hey, they're
investigating a serial killer,but hey, Satan.

(01:07:28):
And whenever it just kind ofreveals that this guy's just
named Dale Ferdinand Cobble,it's like, the fuck kind of name
is that to be a serial killer.
Then it's just like, what is it?

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:37):
But like, just he's not really disarmed at that
point.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:41):
Yeah.
And then, but there's just likethis ability to where it's just
like, hey, but he stumbled uponthis black magic, and now he's
something scarier than he evercould have been.
He could have made the nextPinocchio.
Yeah, or if he was like luckyenough, got a band when he was a
little bit younger, lookedweird, people loved
weird-looking rock stars back inthe day.
I mean, he kind of has the wholelook of it, just you know, like

(01:08:02):
older now, because I mean, like,he doesn't look too far from
like just like a beaten-downSteven Tyler guy with a crazy
face to himself, you know?
Could have had a band called,like a metal band called
Porcelain Doll.
Dude, that's a good idea.
And then he like he makes aspin-off band, Satanic Metal
Ball.
It's the next one.

(01:08:23):
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
Oh, so the FBI FBI says they arein a weird position because
Harker is now actually a part ofthe case because she has like
evidence that hey, he visitedyou.
Uh, they say nothing shouldhappen since he is in custody,
but Harker tells him again thathe isn't working alone and she
wants to talk to him.
The FBI woman, um, Browning, Ithink is her name, tells him he

(01:08:46):
is right under her feet.
Bum, bum, bum.
Downstairs, man.
The downstairs man.
I can walk downstairs fasterthan anyone can.
Um, and then there's the onlything in this movie.
When do we get like our uh uhour Tom Green renaissance into
filmmaking, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:07):
I don't know.
He's on TikToks every once in awhile.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:09):
You should put him in a horror movie acting weird.
Like, he's doing he lives on aranch.
Does he?
I know he lives in like Montanaor some shit.
He uh he became like a van laughguy for a while, like where it
was just him and his dog and hepimped out like a van.
Nice to you know where he couldjust live in it, like uh the
like you know, kind of nomadlike.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, he was doing thatfor a while.
He's got like a full beard andwears cowboy shit.

(01:09:32):
Yeah, it's kind of nice to seethat he's kind of happy because
he was weird and you know he'sprobably like depressed.
And you could tell that, like,um, because he married Drew
Barrymore.
Yeah.
There's obviously like uh a lotof sadness he has from that
feeling.
Yeah, I think he really caredabout it.
Anytime you see him talk aboutit, it's like, oh, he actually
is really sad about that.
He's like, wow, she's stillreally popular and has her own

(01:09:54):
TV show.
Dang it, I messed that up.
Um yeah, so in a flashback tothe beginning, he says he works
for the downstairs man.
You can call him Mr.
Downstairs.
So in the interrogation room,Long Legs tells her, Oh wait,
hold on.
Before I do that, let me get tothe quotes.
It's just like a big quote thingthat is important, I feel like,

(01:10:17):
for the entire movie.
And I skipped it, and this ismaking this thing take forever.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:25):
Sorry.
Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:26):
Oh my god, I wish there was 500 billion fucking
ads on IMDB now.
Jesus Christ.
I can't see half the screen halfthe time.
So, in the interrogation room,long leg long legs tells her he
remembers when she was 20 anddecided to go into law
enforcement.
Him and her had a good laugh.
Hawker confronts him directly,like, who the fuck is her?

(01:10:48):
Um, and then we yeah, we getthis essentially things.
Who is the she you're talkingabout?
The seventh she to be given thesame choice they've all been

given (01:10:55):
crimson or clover.
Accept the gift and destroy,destroy yourself and yourselves,
or keep it and bow down, bow allthe way down and get right down
to the dirty, dirty work.
Work that gets dirty as it isclean, like a mop, like a rag.
This is what's happening to themother, right?
She either become crimson orclover.

(01:11:17):
She bowed down.
So now cool cool.
Uh you don't work alone, do you?
Somebody's been helping you, anaccomplice, long legs.
Knock knock.
On the farmhouse door, a nicelady with a Bible and a
congratulations.
You have been selected.
You may now collect your giftfrom the church.
It says right there, right hereon the orders, the orders from

(01:11:40):
the man downstairs.
The camera family farmhouse willbe so bright and white, you
can't miss it.
Um, and then she's like, You'rereferring to Carrie Ann Camera?
What did you say to her at themental institution?
Oh, but Lee, your house was evenwider when I came to visit.
Um, yeah, and that's pretty muchjust explaining what he's doing.

(01:12:02):
It's just like he's going topeople, and it's like, bow down
to the devil, or you take thisdown, you're gonna die.
Yeah, essentially.
Um, and then when asking aboutaccomplices, he tells her to ask
your mommy uh before declaring,hell Satan.
Hail Satan.
And then grisly smashes his headon the table, killing himself.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:24):
Fucking fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:27):
Let's go.
Man, he's in this so hard.
Uh great scene.
And I love like his um, I cannotexpress how much how good Nick
Cage is in the scene.
His weird mannerisms.
Like just whenever he like hishair kind of swoops a little bit
to the left, and he like putshis face like where you only see

(01:12:49):
like the left side of his face,and he's talking weird.
And it's what do you do aroundthat type of crazy?
What do you do for that type ofcrazy?
It's it's just so unhinged andgreat, and he's talk he talks so
poetically, uh, but menacinglyand cuckoo.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:07):
Um, and it's just I didn't think you could kill
yourself by smashing your headface into something.
Uh, I guess if uh you know ithard enough, I suppose.
If you got your boy the devil onyour side and do whatever he
says like that that scene withBatman and the Joker when he
slams his face on the table likeout of nowhere.
That was sweet.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:24):
Oh my god, I loved it.
Uh so good.
So Carter's pissed because theyhave nothing now.
He says there was no accomplicesand no black magic.
Um, but it's very unusual forCarter, right?
He's been calm, he's beentrusting the whole time.
Maybe it's because there's adoll now for his daughter.

(01:13:46):
Oh, for Ruby.
Yeah, I think this is when likethe doll's already kind of
kicking in his system.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:51):
Do you think that the number that was missing was
Carrie Ann?
Because she jumped out of thewindow while he was running that
day.
So uh it was her birthday.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:03):
But she but But the family died.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:06):
The family died a long time ago and she got away.
Because I was thinking it wasmaybe all right, let's get
through this and then I'll kindof tell you what I think it is.
Um so wanting to confront hermother, Harker drives to her
house with another agent.
I like how I'm giving like this.
So, you know, la la la la la.
So wanting to confront hermother, Harker drives to her
house with another agent,Browning.
Her name is Browning.

(01:14:27):
Browning stays in the car whileHarker goes in.
She like she goes in, we kind ofkind of hear like the was it
Willow?
Uh what was the game show?
I can't remember.
Was that Price's Right?
Game show music kind of playingin the background while she's
walking through.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:41):
Must not have known.
I was just like focused.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:43):
Yeah, and then she starts, she's starting to go up
to her bedroom, and then we seeBrowning, and all of a sudden
the mother's behind with a giantshotgun.
Bang.
Um, and to say the least,Browning's head explodes.
It paints the walls of the car.
It's great.
I thought that car could usesome red.
That was that was a great scene.

(01:15:04):
Yeah.
So and she witnesses this fromher mother shooting the
colleague with a shotgun fromthe bedroom.
Harker goes outside to find hermother who's ready to shoot a
doll that looks like Harker.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:13):
She says just like another kid from the
neighborhood.
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:17):
It's like, damn, she just decided to kill everybody.
She says, You caught him and nowhe's free.
Her mother shoots the doll headsoff, causing Harker to faint,
while Black Mist comes fromHarker and the doll's head.
That was awesome.
So, what is that supposed tomean?
I don't know.
I think it's just kind of thedark magic being released.
So I think she's no longer undercontrol of the doll.

(01:15:38):
So see, the mom was like doingher a favor.
Uh yeah, I think so.
Like, because now, like, shesevered the connection between
her and the doll, essentially.
That's how I saw it.
Because it's like leaving herhead.
And um, which then that kind ofmakes me think, oh, the missing
day isn't Harker, it's somethingelse.
Um But yeah, I think that wasall I wanted to say about that.

(01:16:00):
So, and then we cut to in aflashback montage, it is
revealed that Harker's motherwas Long Legs' accomplice all
along.
She poses a nun, delivering thepossessed dolls to the families
that would later be murdered,and she had to watch.
She made this pact with longlegs to spare Harker's life when
she was young.
Harker's own doll, still intactand unused, gave her psychic
powers and guided her in life.

(01:16:21):
Long legs lived in the family'sbasement during her childhood,
earning him the title thedownstairs mount man.
The glowing eyes, because theyshow the glowing eyes a couple
times in this.
It's fucking fantastic.
Yeah, that was um that's it.
I guess assuming that that'sjust the devil had the doll.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:36):
She didn't remember that this guy lived in her
basement?

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:39):
No, I think it was um she just maybe she didn't
think it was.
I think that it was likeblocking out her memories and
stuff.
Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah.
Um but yeah, and essentially itwas like all this was being
used.
Uh essentially that you know,she wanted to be an actress, but
instead she got into the FBIwork so we can complete this

(01:17:00):
whole cycle that they're tryingto do here, which I think is a
full ritualistic thing, as wellI will get more into towards the
end of this.
So waking up in the basement tothe sound of a ringing phone,
Harker stumbles up, uh stumblesup, um, and we get this great
upside and down camera becauseher life has just been turned
upside down.
Yeah, that was weird.
That was crazy.
I was just like, that's meaningthat.

(01:17:21):
Um, she goes to answer thephone, and a deep voice on the
other side, other end, tellsher, You're late for Ruby's
party.
The devil called her.
Oh, I know.
He never makes house calls.
He's a great assistant.
Yeah.
Um, Harker takes Long Legs' carfrom her mother's garage and
races to intervene, screaminglike long legs herself.

(01:17:42):
Yeah, that was nuts.
Yeah, it's I love when moviescan make the villain and the
hero act the same in the samefucking car.
It's fucking cinema.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:53):
I know, like, but at see at this point, I still
thought maybe like she had beenbrainwashed and she was like a
what do you call those?
The people that wake up with acode word and they kill the
president.
Yeah.
One of those people.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:06):
Yeah.
Uh shit, what do they call it?

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:07):
I don't know.
You know, like Winter Soldier orwhatever.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:10):
From the movies.
Uh uh something made.
Yeah.
Fuck everybody.
Yeah, whatever.
Um Manchurian Candidate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That movie.
Man, the original, good.
The uh remake was crazy.
It was wild.
Um, so yeah, where are we at?
Uh so yeah.

(01:18:31):
Harker, she took a long legscar, screaming like long legs
herself.
She finds her mother already atCarter's, at the Carter's, and
the family is under a trance inthe presence of the doll.
Um, because she's like, Oh, it'slike, hey, I'm here for the
party.
She's like, Oh, you're late.
They all seem kind of normal,but a little too cheery.
Yeah.
And they're like, hey, come in.
Why don't you?

(01:18:51):
And then when the Carters likelet her come in and closes the
door, it's a reflection of thedevil in the window.
The glass plane.
I was like, wait a second, didthey fuck oven?
Is that the cameraman reflectingthe door?
And then I like I paused itright on.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:04):
I was like, that's the devil.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:07):
He's just like, nobody let me in.
And then I put in my notes, I'mrock hard right now.
I don't, I don't know what thatcould be talking about.
Because when I paused it,because I had to rewind it, and
then I was just waiting for thedoor to close.
And I paused it, and then I youcould see the devil, and I kind
of got like, there's kind oflike a little chill up my spine,
yeah, but like an exciting one.

(01:19:29):
That's awesome.
So when she tries to tell themthat her mom is the accomplice,
Carter yells at her.
Suddenly, Carter and her wifestart acting weird because he's
like, Hey, the mother's like,Hey, honey, why don't you uh go
uh get a knife and cut the cake?
And then uh the wife like haslike something in her throat or
whatever.
It's almost like she might belike fighting back against like

(01:19:50):
the trance.
And he's like, he kind of getsupset.
It's like, yeah, well, how aboutsince you brought it up?
I go fucking cut the cake.
But then they kind of get alittle calm again.
It's like, hey, let's gotogether.
And it's like, and she's um,what is it?
Uh yeah, and they're like, We'llbe right back.
Uh, the mother says, and thenCarter's like, no, I will be,
but you will be in the kitchenstill.

(01:20:11):
And it's like when something FBIagent.
When that scene, when that scenehappens, it's like, well, she
could have stopped the murder,right?
Yeah, she could have just killedhim.
I guess she was kind of hopingthat like the mother would stop
it a little bit.
Um, but so yeah, um, yeah, thesmall burst of anger, but also

(01:20:32):
like kind of the nervousness.
It's it's very strange and Ilike it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:36):
Yeah, it was very weird.
Like the mom and the daughterwere like in bliss.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:40):
And he was all fucking nuts.
And it's like there's that's whyI always feel like there's a
parallel parallel betweenalcoholism and this movie a
little bit because it's like,you're the daughter, and it's
like, well, I'm just living inlike my little world, and
they're my parents are kind ofthey're nice one second, then
all of a sudden there's a smallanger, and now my mom's nervous,
and they're kind of all bothnervous, and it's I don't know,

(01:21:02):
you know?
Snap, stab, stab, stab, stab,stab, so Harker's mom says they
have to finish the ritual orthey will burn in hell.
She eventually says, Hell Satan.
You got all this great, like,because she's going on this like
little wrong, long rant.
You see her like cover puttinglike blood on her face and
stuff, and like flashbacks, andthen you see her got blood on

(01:21:24):
her.
She's in the like in front ofthis tree doing this, and you're
like, Oh, wait, she is straightup controlled by the devil right
now.
Or that tree.
Yeah, or that devil tree.
It's like double tree, butinstead it's a little bit
scarier.
Scarier motel.
Um, after Carter murders hiswife in the kitchen, Harker
shoots and kills Carter toprotect the daughter.

(01:21:46):
Her mom still intends to killCarter's daughter to complete
the ritual, so Harker is forcedto shoot her own mother to break
the trance and stop thekillings.
However, she is unable to shootand destroy the doll as she is
out of bullets.
I hate when that happens.
The movie ends with a shot oflong legs in the interrogation
room, once again saying, HellSatan, and blowing a kiss to the

(01:22:10):
audience.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:10):
And then he wails on a guitar.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:12):
And then T-Rex kicks in with the song Bang a gong and
the credits roll backwards.
That was cool.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:18):
Um Satan.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:20):
Yeah.
So that's so silly.
I do think, you know what?
Actually, now like reading thatagain.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:28):
Uh, well shit.
I don't know.
Huh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:35):
Because I to me it felt like the ending of the
movie is that the devil wasreleased somehow.
And that maybe killing themother like released it because
they didn't complete the ritual,so now it's like, or it's just
one of those things where we doknow the devil's dead, and
because Harker did not completethe ritual, now she's like,
damned to hell, maybe type ofsituation.

(01:22:57):
It is a bit of a thinker.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:59):
It doesn't make any sense.
Like bringing him back at theend, is he still alive?
Did he grow his face back?

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:03):
No, I think that's a little like I saw it as
something of being like, it'snot over.
Yeah, okay, yeah, because thedoll is still there.
The doll is still there and thedevil is still around.
Yeah.
And like, I guess the I guessbecause the daughter didn't die,
the ritual wasn't complete.
So now it's this We're all done.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:21):
Sorry, Hawker.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:22):
It's kind of just I feel like he could have had he
could have killed a lot morepeople if he would have had an
online store.
Because he was good at makingdolls.
He could have made a killing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:30):
I mean, whatever if this guy just lived a couple
more years and the internethappened.
Yeah, his dolls would haveexpected.
It would have been so mucheasier for him.
Ugh.
I'm sorry, long legs.
Like if you just waited a littlebit, you would have been this
would have been no problem foryou.
That's sad.
There'd been a lot of people whoreally love to collect porcelain
dolls.
And haunted dolls.
Yeah.
People love that shit.
Everybody would be dead.

(01:23:52):
So, Jason, what's the point ofthe movie?
The point.
What do you think the point ofthe movie is?
I need some water.
Your boy porched.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:01):
I don't know if there is a point exactly,
because I was so confused by theway this movie was going and the
directions that it went that itwent.
I don't know.
A lot of the story was left out.
Maybe the point is that don'thave life-sized dolls in your
house.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:21):
Well, so what I think the point of the movie is
that evil can come from anyone.
It could be from a loser livingin a basement or even a
religious mother that cares fora daughter.
Also think it's a movie aboutwhat a parent would do to
protect their child.
Yeah, that's a good point.
They would literally accept thedevil in so that the fuck yeah.

(01:24:42):
That'd be right.
Um, and I think the it beingbased off like uh Osgood's like
relationship with his parents, Ithink that's what it is.
Like they're trying to protectum him from you know a world
that does not accept gay people,especially at that time,
especially like actors.
Um and I essentially I thinkit's just about like a mother
trying to protect her child, butyou know, it's the devil, so

(01:25:03):
it's you know maybe it's justabout being emotional maturity.
Yeah, you know, think a littlebit.
It's hard it's hard to besomething little growing up in
an evil world.
Though guys, the whole world'snot evil.
We gotta stop thinking likethat, you know?
God damn dolls.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:19):
But yeah, oh, bro.
Like labo boos can suck.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:23):
Yeah, I did not know what labo-boos were until all of
a sudden everybody was obsessedwith it, and I started seeing
YouTube videos about it.
About people complaining howobsessed people are with it, and
I'm like, we gotta we've gottafucking get get a grip.
Yeah.
Everybody out there, get a grip.
Just watch weird movies.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:42):
And then you know fighting over dolls.
You know, after she got herlaboo-boos, she ordered a set of
teletubies.
Like, so now we have theteletubies sitting on our and it
just reminded me of 28 yearslater.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:54):
Yeah.
I gotta keep these.
It's also a little thing inPeacemaker a little bit, except
not teletubbies.
But um, yeah, man, I think thismovie fucking goes.
I think it's act uh well,actually, let's just get in the
good, the bad, the ugly, thefine.
Well, where we just guess thegood of the movie, something we
like, the bad, something wedidn't like, the ugly, something
that didn't age well, the fine,something that did age well.

(01:26:15):
I put for the good, the camerawork, the spacing in the film,
and obviously the acting.
The acting is outstanding.
I feel like some Nick Cageshould have been nominated for
an Oscar instead of the sameboring performances we always
see nominated for Oscars.
What did you think was good,Jason?

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:31):
I like the Agent Harker.
I thought she was fantastic.
I thought Nicolas Cage did agreat job.
Um I kind of wish I would haveseen more of his kooky
character.
Yeah.
Cuckoo character.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:44):
I think if we I want to see him go cuckoo for Coco
Puss.
I'm not gonna lie.
So, like, I understand peoplewant to see more of him.
I think if we saw too much more,it would have been too comical.
Yeah the way he's acting.
Because you know, like wheneveryou're it almost feel like it's
trying too hard to be crazyversus I feel like we got so
little in it, and it was justweird and kind of jarring, and

(01:27:04):
especially the way they put itinto the film at certain points.
I think we would go an hourbefore we really see him and
like see his whole full bodyessentially and how weird he is.
Yeah, I think if we got too muchof it, it would have just been
like this might be too much.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:17):
Yeah, you're probably right.
But I am with you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:22):
I would love like, hey, let's get like a 40-minute
short film in like the extras ofjust like just him progressing
through his life, like just aquick little short thing.
Would have been fun.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:34):
Doing his crazy as you can.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:45):
Face.
Um for the bad, I put uhpeople's opinions.
Let me put aka Jason.
No, I'm I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
It's five.
But I really don't have likeanything that bad.
Um, I do understand that I guessit is can kind of be confusing,
but I don't know.
I just feel like I kind of Igrasped it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:07):
I felt like some of the writing was kind of bad.
Especially like the Carrie Anngirl in the mental health
institution.
I thought I didn't I didn'tthink the writing is bad, but I
did not like her performancethat much.
Maybe that's what it was.
Um maybe it was her and um Shedidn't play crazy good.
No, I don't think so.
And the her partner.

(01:28:28):
There's this one scene after helooked at um well after they
went to the house, I think.
He's like, well, or they let'sgo to the mental hospital to see
the the girl.
Oh yeah.
Now on the way to go to our nextone.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:44):
Gotcha.
I get that.
I understand.
I guess it did I for some reasonit didn't really strike me, but
I don't know.
I understand that it does sounda little silly.
It's like, oh, we found thisdoll.
All right, let's go talk toCarrie Ann.
Oh, the Professor Ann, CarrieAnn.
Um, that is Gilligan's Islandreference.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:04):
Um the horniest island in the 80s.
Jeez.
I mean, was it the 70s?

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:09):
Well, whenever you know everybody looks the same
being stranded on a desertisland, I mean, you know.
Oh, oh man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:15):
Ginger?

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:18):
When no one when no one ever seems to be dirty and
like starving to death, youknow, on an island, you
everybody kind of looks good,you know.
Crank up the coconut radio andhave a party.
Yeah.
Um, what did you get for theugly?

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:32):
Um it's a new movie.
Using the devil as the bad guyall the time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:38):
Yeah, come on.
He seems like an alright guy.
He is an alright guy.
I mean, all he does is just likemake people do rituals and
sacrifices and you know, havefamilies have fathers kill.
You know what?
You know what my ugly is?
We gotta stop freaking blamingthe devil and everything when
people just need to go totherapy.
Yes.
Thank you.
Come on, thank you, and we needto start.

(01:30:00):
Looking for signs for fathersthat are gonna kill an entire
family.
Mothers can do it too.
Yeah.
Even kids can do it.
Family brothers did it.
God dang it.
Um yeah, I guess that could beit.
We use, you know, we use moviesthat uh describe people with

(01:30:20):
mental disabilities as likeSatanists and things when it's
just like some people arediscreet.
Yeah.
But also it's just bad castingto cast Satan in this role.
Yeah, seriously.
Like, I don't know.
Like, how about the Manson guyor whatever?

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:35):
That's what it seemed like too.
A little bit of Manson thrown inthere.
I don't know if other people dohis dirty work.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:39):
Yeah.
Because Manson, what's thedevil?
The devil.
I'm bad at guitar.
Poetry.
Yeah.
Snake just farted.
Way to go, brother.
Just aimed right for my feet.
That's the ugly.
So the fine.
Something that age will.
I put Nick Cage, man.
Fucking a.
Way to go, brother.

(01:31:00):
Serial killer movies.
Mika Monroe.
I mean, still crushing it in allthese like little horror movies.
Yeah, man.
This movie was under$10 million.
It made over$10 million itsfirst week.
And it's like the highestgrossing, uh, fastest-grossing
horror movie since likeInsidious Chapter 2, which was
like in 2011 or 12.
So uh big success of a movie,and I'm glad because even though

(01:31:23):
there might be issues you havewith it, but I don't know.
There's not really a lot ofmovies like this.
No.
Slow, very vibey, uhatmospheric, and you know, I
don't know, just kind of weird.
Like weird movies.
I mean, I guess like all moviesare kind of getting weird.
It's all made by millennialsnow, so it's like horror weird.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:44):
It kind of reminds me of uh the movie with Nicolas
Cage where he has to find theconstitution by following
National Treasure?
Yeah, national treasure.
It's like a horror nationaltreasure because she's following
the clues.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:58):
X marks the spot.
I gotta put, I gotta findBenjamin Franklin's glasses.
Is that a Nick Cage?
Is that good Nick Cage?
Yeah, and they're just likestanding on buildings, just
like, damn it.
Wow, this guy stole thedecoration of we should, I don't
know what we should do that.

(01:32:19):
Let's do it.
Everybody loves that movie.
That was not a I rememberwatching it and joining it as a
kid, but that movie isconsidered like a masterpiece
for like people of ourgeneration.
Really?
Like everybody loves that movie.
Like, if you talk bad aboutNational Treasure, people will
murder you.
They're national treasure.
Yeah.
You know, listening to peopletalk about Nick Cage movies, and
I've heard people do, you know,especially when this movie came

(01:32:41):
out and like the movie Pig, andyou know, he's kind of getting
like, oh, he's a good actoragain.
Like, hey, we love Nick Cage.
People did like Nick Cage Hallof Fames or top ranked movies,
and people who did not in theirpodcast put National Treasure in
like his top movies just fuckinghate comments.
It's like, you guys are fuckingidiots.

(01:33:01):
National Treasure is the bestmovie that he's ever done.
And it's just like, man,nostalgia really makes people
angry.
Like, it's something that I'vejust realized like a while ago.
Uh guys, uh, I'll be right backup.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:20):
Snap, snap, snap.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:22):
I have an axe in my garage I need to go get real
quick.
No, yeah.
I mean, well, yeah, like now asan adult, they suck, but you
know, as a kid, it's like coolcostumes, man.
They blow on swords and shit.
Yeah.
Everything I always wanted to doas a kid, as an adult, is like,
I want to blow on a sword andbecome a giant robot.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:39):
What color uniform should the Asian girl wear?
How about yellow?
Bro, fucking shut up.
What color uniform should theblack guy wear?
How about black?

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:53):
Well, Jason, I don't know what to say, man.
The stuff we grew up on just,you know, just it was what it
was.
But they made more and theydidn't do that.
That's good.
Yeah, but the fucking GreenRanger rules, Jason.

(01:34:14):
It did.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:15):
That was an epic storyline.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:17):
Something that wasn't good about Power Rangers?
The new movie they had not solong ago.
I haven't seen it.
Everybody say it was neverprobably.
And I disagree.
It was mediocre epic.
All right, we're gonna hit ournext category because we are
dragging on, but this was a funmovie to talk about.
What is a movie that you thinkgoes alongside and would be a
great watch next to Long Legs?
I just want to watch Silence ofthe Lambs again.

(01:34:39):
Seven Zodiac.
Fucking I've never seen Zodiac.
Maybe I should watch that one.
It's wild.
Uh we're gonna do it on thepodcast.
And maybe we'll do it in Januarynext year.
I want to kind of do like just abanger month where we just kind
of do our some of the best filmsever made.
Hell yeah.
Um yeah.
You should watch Zodiac, dude.
It's got what in terms of one ofthe scariest scenes and a

(01:35:01):
scheme, a scene that just likeliterally it feels like spiders
walking all over me whenever Iwatch it.
And it's it's in broad daylightin a park, and it's just it just
fucking makes me feel bad.
It's great.
Um, so we'll do that soon.
Like a walk what's in the boxmoment.
Kinda, but it's just, you know,two people enjoying life, and

(01:35:22):
then the next thing you know,they're not enjoying life
anymore.
Oh.
Yeah, it's fucking they getmarried or something.
Rough Zing.
Uh, and it's just like a smalllittle scene, and it's like,
it's not like overtly showingviolence and stuff, but like you
hear the violence, and I don'tknow.
Fucking uh Hell yeah, I can'twait.

(01:35:45):
Good director, dude.
So I decided to choose a moviethat I think came, yeah, it came
out the same year as Long Legscalled Oddity.
Off the T.
It's a great movie.
It's on Hulu, and I think DisneyPlus.
Um, so there's a character namedDanny Odella Timmons, a
psychiatric's wife, is brutallymurdered in her newly acquired
country house.
Her twin sister Darcy, aclairvoyant, investigates the
crime, uncovering a sinisterpolite involving her sister's.

(01:36:07):
Is it the devil again?
Um swear to god, if it's not thedevil again.
No, but um, there's a weird,like doll-like creature in it.
Um the lead is really kind ofcreepy and she's blind.
Nice.
Um, it's great.
Uh the cinematography, the uhambience and stuff in the movie
is so good.
Uh yeah, it's just a greatlittle quiet uh movie that's

(01:36:31):
really creepy and it's only likean hour and a half.
I almost thought about doing it.
Uh it was on the list of thingsto do, but we can do it at
another time.
Yes, check out Oddity.
It's rad.
It's one of the best horrormovies that came out last year.
No one talks about it because itdidn't come out in theaters,
because you know, we have aproblem with how movies are
really.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:51):
I really want to get that streaming service that it's
all horror movies.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:53):
Oh, uh Shudder?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's AMC Plus now.
Um it's kind of it's mixed inwith it, so you can also get all
the AMC shows and things likethat.
All right.
That is our conclusion of longlegs.
Sorry, I put my long legs on.
Um join us next week becausewe're not done with the

(01:37:14):
trauma-filled horror.
Yay! Because we're doing one ofthe best horror movies to come
out in the past decade.
Yeah.
Fucking hereditary.
Ah, love hereditary.
If you haven't seen it, getready to be nervous and spooked.
I halfway through the movie, Ihad to pause it.
I was like, Natalie, I gottapee.
I need to breathe.
Yeah, stress.

(01:37:35):
It is family stress.
Straight up stress.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:38):
That's how you do it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:37:38):
Nothing but stress.
Stress.
The movie is stressful.
If you don't like stress, don'twatch the movie, but watch the
movie because stress is good.
Oh, it really is.
It's one of the it's directed byAri Aster, did Midsummer, Bo is
Afraid, and Eddington, whichshould be coming out on Blu-ray
soon.
He only makes movies that arenow three hours long.
Don't fucking understand theworld we live in.

(01:38:00):
Every god dang director has tomake three hours movies, but he
makes good ones.
This movie's not three hours.
Okay.
Sorry, I'm ranting about moviesand theaters.
So join us next week forhereditary.
Hey, if you got anything youwant to talk to us about, send
over in the description.
There is a link at the top thatyou can click and text us at the
bottom.
I meant to roll my R's, but Iwent.

(01:38:22):
Or at the bottom, there is ourGmail, which is we recommend uh
mailbag at gmail.com.
I almost always forget the name.
Leave us some good reviews,guys, and like tell people about
us.
Come on now.
This is the first time in alittle bit where in between
recordings, we didn't get a newlistener.
Yeah.
And it makes me a little sad.

unknown (01:38:41):
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:38:42):
So come on.
Don't do that.
Let's make a goal.
I want a goal of a hundredlisteners by the end of
Halloween.
Oh, yeah.
And if you do it, you know whatwe'll do?
We'll just keep doing thepodcast.
So do you have to give up?
And uh yeah, just appreciative.
Just like and share us, youknow.
Someone, I mean, obviously,somebody out there likes us
because we keep gettinglisteners.

(01:39:02):
So tell your friends about us,be like, hey, just check them
out, see if you like them.
And even if they don't likethem, ask them to leave a good
review so more people wouldfollow, find us.
And I don't know, we'll do amovie every day at some point.
I don't know.
Not really.
That'd be insane.
A lot of movies.
Yeah.
I would start running out and belike, I can't do this.
Um, but yeah, I'd like to thankJoey Proster for intro and outro

(01:39:22):
music.
Uh, don't forget to listen tothis coming Friday for our new
VHS segment that we're doing.
I believe this one is Tuesdaythe 13th or 17th, something like
that.
Um, so listen to that.
Uh, thank you for listening.
This has been the We RecommendPodcast.
I'm Jesse.
I'm Jason.
Hell Satan, guys.
Hell Satan.
Bye.

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