Let's Get Weird: Chelsea Wolfe, the Current UAP/UFO Sightings, Aliens & Psychics

In this episode, Robin talks about what she's been up to, seeing Chelsea Wolfe, and then dives into the latest developments from the UAP sightings around the country. Why are they being covered on NPR and CNN? 

Also discussed is the Congressional hearing on UAPs, the intriguing intersection of psychics and law enforcement, and channeler Darryl Anka. Let's get weird. 
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Sunny spaces, smiling faces, happy places. But every sunny space
holds a shadow. Behind every smile, our sharp teeth, and
every happy place has something sinister lurking just below the surface.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to We Saw the Devil, the podcast diving deep
into the chilling realms of true crime. Join your host
Robin as she unravels mysteries that have left investigators baffled
and armchair sleuth's obsessed. Be forewarned, Dear listener, We Saw
the Devil is not for the faint of heart. Our
unflinching exploration will take you to the darkest corners of

(00:41):
the psyche and through the unimaginable depths of human darkness
to unearth stark secrets. To the harsh light of day.
Nothing will be left untouched. Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Are you sure?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
We Saw the Devil? Hello everyone you are listening to
We Saw the Devil. This is Robyn and I'm back.
Hello babes. I know I'm a jerk. This last month
has been insane. I feel like I say that every time.
It seems like every time I have good intentions, life

(01:17):
just gets hectic. But I'm super excited about today's episode.
It's going to be a bit of a mishmash and
a bit outside of the realm of what I usually
talk about on We Saw the Devil. But seriously, it's
been wild in the news lately. Whether it's Luigi Mangioni
becoming America's folk hero, oh my god, the memes have

(01:39):
been just chef's kiss, with the United Healthcare CEO debacle,
you know, politics, the election whatever. I don't know if
you've seen, but lately, on top of it, all of
the major outlets are reporting on the UFOs, or shall

(02:00):
I say UAPs for those of you who are not aware.
Apparently we have now changed the terminology from UFO, which
I identified flying object, to UAP Unidentified Anomalists phenomena phenomena phenomena
which covers land, water, and air. It basically is not

(02:21):
just flying, it covers everything because that's where we are now.
We need a term to cover everything. And these are
apparently being spotted all around the country by many people.
I'm talking tens of thousands of people have reported seeing
this and are taking videos and pictures. It's all over
the internet. NPR has reported on it almost daily for

(02:45):
two weeks now. I was watching the news on Thanksgiving
and CNN literally had breaking news of the UAPs in
New Jersey, and just tonight as I logged into my
laptop to finalize the script so I could record it,
all of the Facebook and Reddit groups for my city,
which is a little suburb outside of Nashville, they were

(03:07):
exploding with UAP sightings tonight here literally a mile from
my house, videos, pictures, and it's wild here locally where
I am. There were a grouping of like six of
them flying over Nashville in various areas and people caught
it on video and it looks strange. In Arizona at

(03:28):
one of the airports, there were lots of videos coming
out of that with aircraft that were strangely shaped. Again,
thousands of people saw it in New Jersey. I'll talk
about that a little bit more in depth here in
a moment and talk about what's being reported that it
was all over the entire state of New Jersey, and

(03:49):
you know, it's crazy, So we're going to get into
that and talk about that. And then after, you know,
when that started happening, I went down the rabbit hole
of the congressional hearing that happened with the whistleblowers in
relation to UAPs and we found out a shit ton
there just so then that made me go down the

(04:10):
TikTok rabbit hole and I discovered a human being by
the name of darryl Anka. And this is gonna sound
bat shit because it is. And I'm not saying that
I believe it, guys, because I don't, but he is.
He has quite a following, and his name is Daryl
Anka and basically he supposedly connects and channels with an

(04:31):
alien entity that he calls Bashar. And if you're listening
to this right now, and you're thinking, Robin Jesus Christ,
what are you doing? Why are you talking about this?
Because it is crazy, okay. And he has a huge
following of people. He does talks and seminars and things
like that, and they are sold out within seconds. People

(04:54):
pay hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars to have
a thirty minute conversation with him, which you know how
I feel about people in money, but I mean, you
know whatever, you know, utilizing money and charging for things
like that, but it's it's insanity. And again he does.
He's followed by thousands of people. So I want to

(05:14):
touch on him too, because I went down the rabbit hole,
and he actually made a couple of legitimate predictions across
the last decade or so. But then after I went
down that rabbit hole, I went down the rabbit hole
of psychics who have assisted in solving crimes, and that
made me be like, WTF. So I just kind of

(05:35):
want to have a mishmash episode of random shit that
probably is. It's completely outside the realm of true crime,
but we're going to talk about it anyway. Okay, just
because this is going to be the most discombobulated episode
I've probably ever done, but it's just so fascinating. But

(05:55):
first I want to talk about what I've been up
to for the last couple of weeks because I want
to because I'm so happy. And if you don't care,
you know, before you go to iTunes or whatever and say,
oh my god, you talked about yourself for so long
blah blah blah blah, just freaking fast forward. I mean,
if you're listening to this on your phone, I would

(06:16):
think you probably have an opposable thumb, so you can
just fast forward ten minutes. Okay, if you don't care,
and you'll be fine, I promise. So I intended originally
to get the next episode out right the second to
last week of November, but then work got super busy.
I'm now a director at my job, so that is

(06:38):
has a little bit of additional responsibility. And then on
the nineteenth I went to go see Queen Herbie in Nashville.
And if you're not familiar check her out. You may
remember her from like two thousand and eight or so
in the pop band Carmen. Well, she also went viral
back then for being this pretty white girl who speed
wrapped Chris Brown's song look at Me Now. If you

(07:01):
haven't seen that or you weren't on the I mean
it had millions of views. It went completely viral, So
I think that was like two thousand and five, two
thousand and eight, but yeah, look up, look at Me now.
Carmen k r m I in She's incredible. Well, they
she and her boyfriend who became her husband, ended up
starting the band Carmen, and they got signed. They had

(07:23):
a couple of big albums come out, and then they
got tired of it and it wasn't authentic to them,
so they quit and she rebranded as Queen Herbie and y'all,
I've never experienced energy like that in a show before
in my life. It was so much fun. I mean
everyone around me was basically a woman in my age group.
So if you're like twenty five through forty five and

(07:46):
a woman, I guarantee you love her. It's just all about,
you know, being authentic to yourself and learning the lessons
and doing better and it's just it's uplifting. And then
she has other songs about like satirical pop culture songs.
One's called Sugar Daddy. That's probably her biggest one, but
it's satirical and it's hilarious. But yeah, so saw Queen

(08:08):
Herby and that was a lot of fun. Other than that,
work was pretty super intense, and I was also preparing
to go see my all time favorite artist, Chelsea Wolf.
If you guys know me, you know I basically worship her.
She's occasionally doom metal, occasionally the quietest and softest folk
music you've ever heard. Sometimes with her newest album, she's

(08:32):
more electronic. I mean, she's just brilliant. And from the
first time I heard her, I heard her metal album first,
I mean it was just love at first listen. But
I saw her make an announcement on Instagram that she's
been on a tour. I saw her back in March,
and she's been on a world tour promoting her newest album,

(08:53):
which is super electronic, right. And I saw her a
couple months ago drop a post about how she was
going to have a totally accus sick and stripped down
set playing new and old songs, and that they were
all going to be There were like five dates and
they were all going to be held in historic, older
churches across the country. I mean we're talking about like

(09:13):
one in New York, show in Philadelphia, another show in California.
I mean, this was just very, very very small and intimate, right.
It never happens, like it never happens. I've seen Chelsea twice.
I saw her in Portland, Oregon, at a theater with
fifteen hundred people, and then I saw her back in
March at a small crap club in Nashville because people

(09:34):
have no culture here and she's just incredible but clearly
my all time favorite artist doing an acoustic set like
I had to go Philadelphia ended up being the closest
show at the first Unitarian Universalist Church, so I bought
tickets the minute they went on sale and it was
sold out within like five minutes. I guess most importantly,

(09:56):
a lot of you know that I've been through a
lot in the last couple of years. Most of you
know that I was in a severely abusive physically relationship
actually when I was when I started this podcast. I
talked about that on a Patreon only episode. During that period,
I also lost both of my parents in the pandemic,

(10:16):
I was forced to move from my beloved Portland back
to Nashville. That relationship ended, and then I ended up
meeting someone new that I, frankly actually thought was the
person for me, like was it for me? And that
relationship ended up being a complete and total farce and
also pretty emotionally abusive. So that ended, And for whatever reason,

(10:40):
I've always struggled with processing my emotions in life. I
get it out via music. For some reason, I can't
just process. I will bottle everything up, push it aside.
You know, life goes on, don't think about it. And
I think a lot of that makes me come off
as a callus bitch at times, to be frank but
I've always when I've gotten to that place, you know,

(11:00):
I process via music, playing it you know, play guitar,
listen to it, and I've always been that way, and
Chelsea Wolf just always magically drops music at every important
juncture of my life. She has this song called half
Sleeper and it's my favorite song in the history of

(11:21):
the world. If you're interested in hearing it, look up
on YouTube the Strombo stro O Mbo show Chelsea Wolf,
and it's the second song that she plays. It's a
song about a couple, sung from the point of view
of one of them, and they're currently dying after being
in a car crash. It's a super bloody scene. The

(11:43):
description of it is so beautiful, but one of the
inspirations behind it was seeing roadkill on the side of
the road that was super gory and bloody, and you know,
it's intestines and whatnot, or you know, hanging out like
it was roadkill. She talks about like memories streaming in
the wind, like cassette tapes or jellyfish, and she writes

(12:04):
this beautiful song about being so in love with someone
and then talking about, you know how as you're laying
there dying, smeared across the pavement, how none of the
arguments mattered nothing, you know, nothing, none of that mattered,
and it's just so beautiful and sad. So that is

(12:24):
one of my favorite songs. I mean, this couple is
in a liminal state between life and death, hence the title,
and I don't know why, but it is the most
hauntingly gut wrenching and beautiful song I've ever heard in
my entire life. I have listened to it thousands of
times whenever I'm grieving something. You know, Like I said,
I don't process very easily. I am a push asider.

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But whenever I have to and I'm forced to, I
mean I can put half Sleeper on and it's basically
instant Catharsis. There's just something about Chelsea's voice in this
song that's so viscer I mean, it reaches into my chest.
It envelops all of the grief that I have in
whatever moment, and it demands that I experience and feel it.

(13:10):
You know that block in that grief process where you're
stuck and you have no choice but to turn inward
in order to break through and move forward. And that's
what that song does for me. And it's wild. It's
magical in a sense, but it's pure Catharsis and it
makes me cry all the time, and she never ever
ever really plays it live ever, very rarely, at least

(13:34):
fun aside. The first time I went to go see
her in Portland, organ that was my favorite song. Then
I was back in twenty eighteen and I sent her
a message on Facebook and I'm like, hey, can you
please play half Sleeper? And all I got was a
smiley face emoji back, and she actually ended up playing
half Sleeper as the encore at the Portland show. I
also cried then, along with fourteen hundred other people. But

(13:57):
in any case, this MANI tour kicked off two nights
before I saw her, and I saw that half Sleeper
was the second song that she was going to play
if she kept the same set list, and I had
hope I go. Was so excited, and so my friend
and I ended up flying out to Philly last week.
Also side note, I do not recommend large doses of

(14:18):
edibles before getting on a plane on the off chance
that there is turbulence, which cough there was and it
was terrifying. It does make it really miserable. I'm a
seasoned flyer myself, but horse dose of edibles plus turbulence
is not a fun flight maker, but in any case,
we got there Friday. We went to the French restaurant Park,
which was holy crap amazing, and then we did some

(14:41):
things around Philly until the show. It took a nap
until the show and Saturday night. Now it was at
a church, so it was general admission in the pews, right.
So my friend loves Chelsea just as much as I do,
and so we got there an hour and a half
early and stood outside in twenty degree weather, literally freezing
our tits off so we could get a good seat
in the church. So the doors opened, and I don't

(15:03):
know if any of you have been to the first
you know, Unitarian Universal's Church in Philadelphia, but it is
so ungodly beautiful, so ungodly beautiful. I have pictures of
all of this on my Instagram and show clips, but
it was just gorgeous. We could have gotten first row,
but decided that we wanted to be a little less obvious.

(15:24):
You know, I don't want Chelsea Wolf seeing me, sawb
like a child, So we opted to go back into
the center and we were like the fourth row. They
had folding chairs in the front and then pews, and
so we sat on the first row of pews, which
was actually a fourth row center. I mean it was
so close and so intimate. And then my friend and
I the entire couple weeks leading up to the trip,

(15:44):
had been making bets on who was going to cry first.
Chelsea came out and she started singing this a cappella
song called Serenum Scopuli, which, fun fact, is the name
of the island chain where the Sirens lived, you know,
the ones who used to sing it and call out
a sailor and lure them to their death. And it's
so beautiful, I mean chills. Her vocal range just chills.

(16:06):
So I look over at my friend. Twenty seconds into
the show, she's already crying, like she's already wiping you know,
her black eyeshadow, black mascara, you know, her makeup and whatnot,
like tears streaming down her face. Twenty seconds in, so
go me I won that bet. And then when that's
first song was coming to a close, I got my
phone out. I was like, please, you know, I wonder

(16:28):
if she's gonna play half Sleeper. She gets her acoustic
guitar and she launched into the most beautiful version of
half Sleeper that I have ever heard in my entire life.
I mean, I'm almost getting teary just thinking about it now.
I cried. I mean a lot of people were crying.
And I've never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever felt that

(16:48):
level of electricity and emotion, beauty, devastation. I mean, it
was just Catharsis, y'all. It was so intense. Every single
song was beautiful and gave his chills. I mean, but
it felt like a complete and total release of all
emotions that I've had bottled up for a fucking decade,
Like an hour and a half long therapy appointment that

(17:11):
fixed me entirely. I feel like I have full clarity,
just understanding, Like I feel like a brand new person
right now because of this experience. And I know it
sounds insane, but it was the most ethereal and beautiful
thing that I've ever witnessed. But after the show, we

(17:32):
went and got food, went back to the hotel. Sunday
we went to the Mutter Museum, which if you're into
true crime or medical history, you clearly need to go.
Huge skull collection, some cool skeletons, the post mortem project
was also super freaking cool, and then also googled a
soap lady. I'll say no more about that, but it
was such a cool trip. It was just mind blowing,

(17:53):
really metaphysical innocence. And I returned home Monday, and I've
just been busy catching up with work, the podcast. This
episode has been heavily on my mind, wanting to get
this out. And yeah, guys, I mean I feel, like
I just said, I feel like a brand new human,
totally refreshed outlook on life, love, the pursuit of happiness.
I feel really, really good. Best weekend of my life

(18:16):
for sure, hands down, And I'm hoping that that's going
to translate into me getting my shit together for this
podcast and getting it back on a concise and exact schedule.
I mean, not going to lie. I was struggling there
for a while. I mean, it was like Limony Snicket
series of unfortunate events for a long time in my life.
And everything feels good now. But in any case, I guess,

(18:39):
I mean, you didn't come here or click this podcast
episode to listen to my concert and personal events and
emotional schedule. So let's talk about some random, weird and
creepy shit that I've just gone down the rabbit hole
of over the last couple month, I guess, Okay, so
the rabbit hole, well, I don't know if it was

(19:01):
for the entirety of the Internet or just for me,
but it started last month. So November twenty twenty four,
last month, there was a government panel convened by the
House Oversight Committee and it was basically a hearing on
unidentified anomalist phenomena again basically UFOs, right, and these discussions
centered around allegations of government suppression of UAP information in

(19:25):
the existence of several secretive government programs related to the
recovery and study of extraterrestrial technology. A few of the
witnesses included Luis Elizondo, who was a former Pentagon official,
and then also Tim Galladay, a retired Navy admiral. Well,
Luis Alizondo emphasized, I mean again emphatically, that UAPs are

(19:48):
real and staid that they exhibit advanced capabilities beyond human technology.
The discussion centered around the fact that yes, they are there,
they are seen all the time. They have I've likely
been here since before we have been here, and we
are seeing them, and they have been recovered again recovered
meaning aircraft or whatever, on every major continent that every

(20:15):
single continent, you know, various countries have other countries have
also recovered UAPs, and that the United States has also
recovered multiple UAPs, some with quote unquote non human biologics.
I'll let you take a second again. An ex Pentagon
official said that we have more or less recovered aliens

(20:40):
and it's wild. He talked about how there's a global
quote unquote arms race that's focusing on reverse engineering these technologies. Basically,
you know, let's say China Iran, someone who's not an
ally to us, necessarily recovers one of these crafts. It's
basically the entire world and all the countries are in

(21:02):
the form of an arms race trying to reverse engineer
the technology on these crafts because they are so much
more advanced than what we have and what we are
capable of. And Tim Galladay talked about an experience that
he had just a couple what nine years ago, back
in twenty fifteen, where he saw a UAP demonstrate unprecedented

(21:26):
flight characteristics during a naval exercise, and not only that,
but basically the next day, after hundreds of reports of
actual visual people on the ground seeing that with their
own eyes as well as many other military members, and unsurprisingly,

(21:47):
after this particular hearing, the Defense Department spokeswoman Susan Go
She issued a statement saying that the Pentagon's inquiries had
not turned up quote any verifiable information to substantiate claims
that any programs regarding the possession or reverse engineering of
extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently.

(22:13):
This particular panel the hearing, they also discussed and address
claims of whistleblower retaliation, with witnesses highlighting a culture of
suppression overclassification of documents and reports within the government, and
they argue that this stifles transparency and public understanding of
the phenomena that we are going that this is getting

(22:35):
more and more frequent, that yes, we are seeing more UAPs,
they are not human in origin, and basically the government
needs to fucking admit to it, and lawmakers on both
sides because I mean, look, I know Democrats and Republicans.
Times be tense, right I see it with my friends,
I've seen it just everywhere people online, the election, the

(22:57):
news people are not coming together right now, you know well.
Lawmakers express bipartisan frustration over the lack of access to
UAP related information because the Department of Defense is simply
not releasing any information that they have. They're not telling
the truth, They're not being honest, they're not being upfront.

(23:19):
And it's something that I think about all the time.
I mean not all the time. That makes me sound crazy,
and it's not all the time, But I mean, why
do you guys think that the government just won't be
honest about it? You know, so many people, is it
you know that it would lead the world into chaos?
Is it organized religion? Is it all of the above.

(23:42):
You know, so many people have had experiences or seen
weird and strange things. I have even seen a weird
thing once in my life. I was living in Maine.
It was about seven thirty in the evening. I was
driving home and I lived. I had to drive alongside
the Kennebec River outside of Augusta to home when I
was living in central Maine. And I was going probably

(24:04):
about fifty miles an hour or so, and I look
over to my left and I saw something like flying
above the water, like it was flying above the river
parallel to me, going in my direction, and it had
multiple weird lights, and it was going really really fast,
and there was no sound. I mean, it was completely mute.
I even rolled down my window. I was like, damn,

(24:24):
that's a fast boat, you know, at nighttime, because it
was nighttime and it was wild. I mean, I didn't
sit there and think, oh my god, that's an alien.
And I've never really ruminated on it since, but you know,
it was interesting to see. It was definitely it was
definitely odd. So yeah, it's just so many people have
experiences like this, and it's wild that the US government

(24:48):
isn't is not admitting to anything. But yet hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of X Pentagon officials, X Department of
Defense or coming out and being like, yeah, I either
worked in this project, I headed this project, you know,
I was responsible for this project or the reporting or

(25:09):
I've read and it's just there's no transparency, you know.
There was another discussion at this hearing where they talked
about a program called Immaculate Constellation, and apparently that is
the name of the program that documents UAP encounters and
recovery efforts. And it was a wild hearing. If you

(25:31):
could find a copy of it on YouTube, I highly
suggest you do. So. There are a lot of channels
that rehash it, but you need to actually watch it
with your own eyes because it is just insane, insane,
And yeah, I mean, I don't know how you guys feel,
but I mean the hearing for me definitely underscored. You

(25:52):
know that there needs to be a shift from the
secrecy to a little bit more open discourse and on
this because it's it's wild, especially because of the last
month or so, since November last month, there's been an
increased attention to UFO sightings. And these are not just

(26:14):
you know, Joe Jimbob down you know on a mountain
or a haller saying that he was abducted and probed.
These are legit sightings of unexplained phenomena that are being
caught on video and they make no sense. And you
know air traffic, you know air control. You know how
he can go on like flight radar flight twenty four
and get the flight path. You know, no aircrafts in

(26:36):
the vicinity Mary may not be a military base nearby,
it just depends. There have been hundreds of sightings just
in the month alone, complete huge uptick. Well, a lot
of this is kind of dovetailing off the fact that
also last month in November, there was a report from
the Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, also known as

(27:01):
a ro O, and that report talks about these hundred sidings,
although it does explain that most of them were explainable
as balloons, drones, flocks of birds, satellites like starlink, but
there were twenty one cases in this report that remain unexplained.

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These involve unusual flight characteristics or occurrences near sensitive locations
like military bases and nuclear silos. And these unexplained incidents
often defy easy categorization because of their speed, size, maneuverability,
and shape. Like very clearly, it is not what we

(27:44):
know of as you know current modern you know military
or commercial aircrafts, and you know lawmakers and defense officials
they are constantly emphasizing the port of understanding whether these
are going to pose national security risks or air safety.

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You know, we have many flight lanes across this country,
and the US Senate has even recently called for greater
transparency and UFO investigations in order to address public interests
and concerns. I mean, it's absolutely wild. And these sightings
have included reports from commercial and military pilots. And again

(28:29):
two of the biggest I guess descriptors of these sightings
has been these crafts will come out of the ocean
a light speed or go into the ocean at light speed,
because you know, again we've been receiving reports from military, Navy,
and Air Force people for decades before this last hearing

(28:52):
talking about how there are bases underwater and it's crazy.
But yeah, I mean, these crafts flying around, maneuvering in
weird ways, vanishing, I mean, it's absolutely crazy. And then
we have I mean, as recent as of today in
PR reporting about the drones over New Jersey. I'm just

(29:15):
gonna read a little bit from this NPR article. There's
something strange happening in the skies above New Jersey, and
no one seems quite sure what to make of it,
not the governor, not members of Congress, not the FBI.
What they know is that, starting in mid November, dozens
of identified drones have been spotted at night flying in
at least ten different counties across the state. What they

(29:38):
don't know is where the drones are coming from, who's
flying them, and why they've been spotted above critical infrastructure
according to authorities, including reservoirs, electric transmission lines, rail stations,
police departments, and military installations. A US Army base in
northern Morris County has already had at least eleven drone sightings,

(29:59):
Army of officials said this week, several of which came
after the FAA Federal Aviation Administration moved to temporarily restrict
drones from flying overhead Again more drone sidings even after
the FAA set restricted drones from flying over bases in
Somerset County. In New Jersey, the FAA also bandrooms from

(30:21):
flying over the golf course owned by Donald Trump, and
it's not illegal to fly a drone in New Jersey
so long as the operator is certified with the FAA.
Small unregistered drones being used for recreation can be flown
in unrestricted areas, but the number and mysterious nature of
these sidings has less left many Garden State residents on
the edge. So two has their size, as many of

(30:43):
these drones appear to be larger than those that are
typically used by hobbyists and side note not from the
article that is true. Some of these drones appear to
be the size of cars of actual cars, if not larger.
So far, the Office of New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
did not respond to her request for comment, but speaking

(31:05):
at an unrelated bill signing earlier this week, Murphy said
there have been forty nine sightings of these drones on
Sunday alone. Again what three days ago?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Now?

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Four days ago?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Now?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Forty nine sidings on Sunday alone, Although several of those
may have been duplicates or merely possible signings, it's constant.
In a posting on social media last week, governor again,
Governor Murphy said state officials were actively monitoring the situation
and in close coordination with our federal law enforcement partners.

(31:39):
There is no known threat to the public at this time.
Murphy's assurances have done little to quiet their concerns of
residents and other officials across the state. In a statement
posted to Facebook last week, the police chief of Floram Park,
New Jersey, said, quote their presence appears nefarious in nature,
and during a House hearing on Monday focused on unmanned
aerial system, New Jersey Representative Chris Smith, a Republican, said

(32:03):
that he thought the drones were quote a very serious threat.
Senator Corey Booker of New Jersey, also a Democrat, also
said in a statement on Monday calling for more transparency
from federal officials. Quote per Corey Booker, there is a
growing sense of uncertainty and urgency across the state from
constituents and local officials alike, despite assurances that the drones

(32:26):
pose no threats to public safety. As such, I urge
you to share any relevant information about these drone sightings
with the public. Without transparency, I believe that rumors, fear,
and misinformation will continue to spread. Then we have the
military base. The base commander of the Picatinny Arsenal Military

(32:46):
Research Base out of Morris County, New Jersey, so Lieutenant
Colonel Craig Bonham the second said that the drones were
not theirs from the military installation. He said, quote, while
the source and cause of these aircrafts operating in our
area remain unknown, we can confirm that they are not
the result of any Picatinny Arsenal related activities. The FBI

(33:06):
has since opened an investigation, but bureau official say key
questions remain unsolved. Y'all this be crazy, Like it's crazy,
right CNN, even like I said on Thanksgiving, CNN had
a live footage at one point live breaking news of

(33:27):
the drones in New Jersey. It's absolutely insane and unidentified
drones and this is the I'm going to read just
the final selection of a section of this NPR article.
Unidentified drones have puzzled the public before. Earlier this year,
the Wall Street Journal reported about unidentified drones swarming Langley

(33:49):
Air Force Base in Virginia for seventeen days. As with
the drones over New Jersey, those flights called to memory
the Chinese spy balloon that the US military shot down
over the coast of South Carolina in twenty twenty three.
The flights over New Jersey have led to calls for
the military to shoot down the unidentified drones, but under

(34:09):
federal law, the military is largely prohibited from doing so
unless the drone poses an imminent threat. It's also illegal
for individuals to shoot down any aircraft aircrafts, including drones. Now,
imagine for a moment, because we have now seen hundreds

(34:31):
of sightings in New Jersey alone, and as I said earlier,
their sightings right now all over the country. Los Angeles
just had a lot over this last week. Again, the
videos are insane. Arizona, Phoenix in particular airport. What is
going on? I'm not saying it's alien, y'all, but what

(34:54):
is going on currently? Have any of you guys seen anything,
heard anything. Like I said earlier, I live in outside
of Nashville and our Facebook and Reddit. I mean, you
can even look it up right now if you google it.
Lots of sightings here in Nashville tonight as I'm recording this.
So I don't know. I really don't know, but it

(35:16):
is absolutely crazy. And because of all the UFO talk,
there's been an increase kind of interest in string theory
and quantum physics, and so I went down that rabbit
hole too, And we're not gonna talk about that because
I don't even fully grasp it myself. But the kind
of the core point explanation is that it's basically a

(35:37):
theoretical framework in physics that aims to explain the fundamental
nature of the universe. We've had this understanding for a
long time that the basic building blocks of reality of
what we see around us are point like particles. You know,

(35:58):
like when you're in school and you're learning of you know, photons, neutrons, atoms,
things like that. Right, we learn that, we theorize it
and visualize it as like a tiny dot, a tiny
the world's tiniest little bubble. Right, So, string theory, you know,
the math maths on that, mathematics you know in physics

(36:20):
works together to basically describe our world around us. So
string theory is not mathematically sound. It hasn't been proven
in any capacity and why it's a theory, but it
basically visualizes, you know, instead of those point like particles
such as electrons, neutrons, atoms, that these are actually tiny

(36:44):
little vibrating strings of energy. That these strings can vibrate
in different ways, and each pattern of vibration can corresponds
to a different particle like photons or gravitons. In an
even more simple way to explain this is, you know,
all of these things right these at the building blocks

(37:04):
of life. It basically goes to dimensions, the dimensions of
what we can see around us. Right So, and another
way to explain this is in everyday life, we inhabit
a space of three dimensions. Right, there's height, there's width,

(37:25):
and there's depth. So if I walk outside, or I'm
in my office right now, right, I have a microphone
in front of me that's about four inches from my face,
you know, my ceiling, I can see the height of it,
and then the depth from me, you know, to the wall,
you know, or the width of my laptop screen in
front of me. These are things that we perceive. So

(37:47):
imagine it's back in the year eight hundred and eighty.
Let's imagine we're settlers, we're pioneers. Okay, we're tribal people.
If we had to cross a river, it thought, we
would know that we could walk around it. We could
walk across it or cross over it potentially depending right,

(38:09):
or wait for it to freeze and walk over it.
There are four ways that we knew how to cross
a river around, over, through, or like over it if
it freezes, right, okay, we can We could quantify those
four ways. We could write down those four ways. We

(38:29):
could teach the four ways to cross. We could actually
do them in the year twenty twenty four. Now we
can also fly over it. There may have been fantastical
imaginings in the year eight hundred about flight, you know,
we had theories about flying like a bird. We had
imagination and imaginings, but making it an actual reality was

(38:55):
beyond us. Technologically speaking. It was like fantasy. It was
as fantasy as sci fi. But now today we have
a full understanding of aerodynamics. We can quantify the essentials
for flight. We can write down how to fly, give
it to someone and they can go build an aircraft

(39:16):
or a helicopter or a drone. We can write down
how to fly in many different ways. We can fly now.
So what was theoretical and mystery back in eight hundred
a D is now solved in quantified fact. But we
need better technologies and understanding of the universe to get

(39:38):
to that point. If you think about it, y'all, there's
still so much of the universe. I mean, do you
guys really think that from eight hundred a D to
twenty twenty four we have solved the mysteries of the
universe we know everything about everything? No, clearly we don't.
Now that was not a perfect exam perfect example, but
it's a pretty simplified right. So these other dimensions are

(40:02):
similar to us today as flight was in eight hundred
a D. So when you think about or have you
heard people talk about, we live in a simulation. There
are multiple dimensions out there. You know, imagine a fifth dimension,
and you know it's possible that the properties of a
fifth dimension are just beyond us. You know, we have

(40:26):
height with depth and then also time per Einstein. Einstein
actually said that time is the fourth dimension. So currently
we are living You've heard of four dy right, so
that would be again height with depth and time is
pretty much what's widely accepted. Anything beyond that is currently

(40:49):
just completely beyond us. And according to Albert Einstein the
theory of relativity, time is considered the fourth dimension again,
meaning that to fully just describe an event, an event
in your you know that happens to you, you need
to specify not only its location in three dimensional space,
but also its position and time. So essentially space and

(41:14):
time are intertwined as a single kind of thread fabric
called space time. I know it's a lot and it's
a little nerdy, I know, but once you go down
the rabbit hole, it's so freaking fascinating because something that
pomps up a lot in this is multiple dimensions. Are
we living in a singular dimension? Are there other dimensions

(41:35):
out there around us? Are there past? Are there present?
I've even heard people try to rationalize paranormal things, which
I personally don't believe in, but people, you know, using
the theory that energy cannot be created nor destroyed and saying, well,

(41:55):
maybe the energy that you know is destroyed here, you know,
goes to a different dimension. You know, things like that,
and something that pops up with a lot of this,
it's really fascinating when you start going through the questions
because I mean it also relates to aliens, right, A
lot of people talk about you know, like aliens, black

(42:16):
holes in space and da da da da da da
dad and multiple dimensions. So I mean it's all you
have your science. I mean well, I mean string theory
is incredible to read about on a scientific basis, obviously,
even though it has not been proven. But you know,
you have a lot of the science based arguments for it,
and then you have the non science based article, you know,

(42:36):
people arguments that are like advocating for aliens and all
sorts of ghosts and demons, all sorts of random shit.
I mean, it's wild. It is the wild West of
debate for sure. But again because this weird stuff pops up.
It's been popping up, especially with the aliens. But another
thing that's been popping up a lot more recently because

(42:58):
of this, the ua PA sightings, is psychics, and it's
a concept straight out of a TV drama, right, And
I was trying to figure out it's really interesting because
it kind of ties into string theory and all this
other stuff. Is you know, when we're relating into true crime,

(43:19):
how do psychics solve crimes? Do they? Are they a nuisance?
Are there examples of people who can? And just like clockwork,
I have no idea why my TikTok algorithm is the
way that it is, because it's certainly not for me.

(43:39):
But there's I've seen a lot of TikTok tarot readers lately, right,
Like these people who get on TikTok and they utilize
hashtags and the algorithm in certain ways and just try
to you know, do card readings and things like that,
and I think gets bat shit. That being said, it

(44:03):
got me thinking about, you know, different cases because the
government hides things and it has you guys know about
remote viewing, right, remember the movie The Men Who Stare
at Goats? Well, the United States government actually spent millions
of dollars on a program trying to cultivate and bring
people in with psychic powers, like literally psychic powers and

(44:27):
issues and abilities rather you know, to remote view like
using their mind to be able to tap into different
locations to assist in battle on the battlefield or get
you know, rescue efforts and things like that. And it's
I mean, it sounds like, again a concept straight out
of a TV drama, but in real life, the notion

(44:50):
of psychics aiding law enforcement. I mean, it's a real thing,
and it sparks heated debate. And remember on the Lori
Valo case, how I'm just gonna throw up thinking about her.
There was one particular psychic that was constantly making videos
and I'm sorry if you follow her, like, I'm sorry
for you because she is so full of shit, but

(45:12):
you know, making all of these insane predictions and getting
hope up in the families and it's just and people
grasp so strongly onto it. I mean, it's a mess.
But can psychics be a genuine source of insight or
they just simply exploiting the desperate? So I want to

(45:33):
talk about a couple notable cases also different methods that
psychics use. Again, a lot of these methods were utilized
in the US military installation and research bases in a
couple of these covert programs. But yeah, I just kind
of went down the rabbit hole of it, and I
want to talk about it because it's interesting. Okay, So

(45:54):
let's start by breaking down what psychics claim they can do.
Many say that they have ESP, or extrasensory perception, and
that ESP lets them perceive information beyond the normal senses.
That's the blanket term ESP. That might include a number
of different things. Clairvoyance, which is seeing events and objects

(46:18):
beyond physical sight, telepathy, the ability to read thoughts, psychometry,
where touching an object may provide impressions about its owner
or history. And then there's mediumship, which involves communicating with spirits.
And I think a lot of us, mainly I guess
in pop culture and in the world, you know, see

(46:39):
a lot of people who claim to be mediums. Now
in psychic's work with law enforcement, you know, I did
some research and I got a whole list and kind
of ran through them and read about them. There are
a whole different handful that use all of those abilities
to provide leads. So, you know, some may describe a

(47:00):
crime scene, they may offer details about a suspect. They
may touch an article of clothing from a kidnapped child
and claim they see visions about where they were located
or what happened to them, and it's pretty intriguing, right,
But I guess how do they do it exactly? And
there are a couple different techniques that they So those

(47:23):
were the ones that the items that I just went
over are basically the different senses, right, like what they claim,
they can do different abilities, So there are different methods
in which they utilize these abilities in order to try
to assist. So, like I talked about a moment ago
remote viewing that involves quote unquote seeing a location or

(47:43):
event without being physically present there. So again, when a
psychic may describe a crime scene, a suspects current location,
or even a victim's body psychometry. Again, they typically hold evidence,
handling it like jewelry clothing. They say that they can
receive visions tied to the case when they do that channeling.

(48:06):
Some psychics report actually receiving information directly from the victims
about their deaths or their killers. She who shall not
be named, I'm going to call her Voldemort of the
true crime community when with the Lori Vaalo case claim
that she spoke directly to Tylee and JJ. And then
there's dream analysis. Others report having vivid dreams containing clues

(48:29):
which they interpret as messages related to the clay to
the case, and some police departments as well as the
families of victims themselves, have turned to psychics in high
stakes cases. So a couple of the biggest examples, and
I guess most high profile cases and investigations would be

(48:49):
Let's start out with one here actually local to me.
It happened about four miles away from where I'm sitting
right now, and that would be the nineteen seventy five
kidnapping of Marcia Trmble. So Marcia Trimble vanished on February
twenty fifth, nineteen seventy five, while delivering Girl Scout cookies

(49:09):
in her Green Hills neighborhood. Despite an extensive search, her
body was not discovered until thirty three days later in
a nearby garage. She had been strangled and sexually assaulted.
The crime absolutely shocked Nashville and became one of Nashville's
most infamous unsolved cases for decades. Dorothy Allison was a

(49:33):
psychic from Nutley, New Jersey, and she already had a
reputation and was fairly renowned for working on missing persons
and murder case and murder cases. Her career included providing
details for high profile investigations like the Son of Sam case,
and in the Marsha Trimble case, Dorothy Allison offered descriptions

(49:55):
of the perpetrator and the location where Marcia could be found.
She described a creek bed, a red and white house,
as well as debris near where Marsha's body was later found,
and elements of what she said were true. However, critics
argued that those details were too vague and that they

(50:15):
were not you know, they didn't directly lead to the
discovery of Marcia Trimble's body or the arrests of a suspect.
And even at the time, Dorothy Allison's involvement sparked mixed
reactions from the public. She had a lot of supporters
and of course they admired her for trying to assist
law enforcement out of the goodness of her heart. And

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then obviously there's always the huge amount of critics in
talking about when talking about psychics, and especially psychics helping
law enforcement, you know, just questioning the overall reliability of
psychic methods and how they could possibly intersect with criminal investigations,
and her broader work as a whole was typically pretty

(51:00):
torn apart often a subject of skepticism because she did
have some instances of accurate predictions, where others were just
so vague or non specific that no one could really
call it a definitive when oh my god, my throat, y'all,
I have not since I had COVID a couple months ago,

(51:22):
my voice has pretty much been I sound like a man.
Now sound like a man. So sorry you're hearing me.
Drink drink my water. But yeah, So, despite Dorothy Allison
getting involved in this and providing these clues that the
Marcia Tremble case went cold for decades. Initial suspicions fell

(51:45):
on Jeffrey Womack, who was a neighborhood teenager, a bit
rough around their edges and creepy by all accounts, but
DNA evidence actually eventually cleared him. The breakthrough only came
in two thousand and eight. You know, obviously, we saw
that a lot. A lot of true crime podcasts talk
about that the advances in forensic science identifies a lot

(52:09):
of perpetrators from old cold case crimes, and that's exactly
what happened here. Jerome Sydney Barrett was a convicted rapist
living in the area, and he was deemed to be
the perpetrator. He was convicted of second degree murder and
sentenced to forty four years in prison. Not because of
Dorothy Allison, but because of I guess in the words

(52:31):
of Jerry or in the words of breaking bad science bitch.
Another really big example is the death of Melanie Urrhyme
that happened in nineteen eighty. One of the most famous
examples psychic Eda Smith led police to a site where
Melanie Uribe's body was discovered after claiming to see the

(52:53):
location in a vision, but her knowledge of this raised suspicions,
and despite the fact that she had a one hundred
percent accurate tip, I mean, she led the police to
the site where they discovered her body. Police were like,
how did she know this? And they actually arrested her
on suspicion of murder. She was held in custody for

(53:16):
nearly four days before investigators arrested the true perpetrators, three
men who later confessed to the crime. Smith was fully
exonerated and later won a lawsuit against the LAPD for
wrongful arrest, although the jury rewarded her just a modest
settlement compared to her claim, which that's wild. I didn't

(53:38):
even know that happened. Imagine a psychic coming forward, leading
police to a body, then arresting her, and then turns
out she was just accurate. Another really quick final example
here of how this can just go horribly really really
quickly is the Sean Hornbeck case back in two thousand

(53:59):
and Not all psychic involvement ends positively. Sylvia Brown the
uh yeah, she's a thing. She was a psychic. I'm
sure all of y'all remember her. She was also, she
was on TV a lot, had a lot of commercials. Well,
she made a devastatingly inaccurate prediction about Sean Hornback. If

(54:22):
you recall, he was an eleven year old boy who
disappeared in two thousand and two. Sylvia Brown used to
go on the Montell Williams Show. She was a constant
guest and she would take audience questions and make random
predictions and things like that. Complete charlatan. But Sylvia Brown
told Sean Hornbeck's parents that he was dead and that

(54:46):
his body was located near two boulders, and that turned
out to be complete bullshit. In reality, Sean had been
abducted by a man named Michael Devlin and had been
held captive for more than four years in Kirkwood, Missouri.
And during this time, Devlin actually allowed Sean Hornback some freedom.

(55:06):
He let him use a computer, he let him hang
out with friends. But of course there was you know,
the underlying threat of murder and death which kept Sean
from seeking help. In two thousand and seven, the case
took an absolute turn because Devlin abducted another boy, Ben Oby,
and there was a witness to Ben's abduction and they

(55:28):
actually reported crucial details that led police to Devlin. And
during the investigation, authorities were astonished to find that Sean
find Sean alive, you know, late they came, they went
to the apartment, to Devlon's apartment, and there they found Sean.
This case actually is called the Missouri Miracle, and Sylvia Brown,

(55:50):
being the charlatan that she is, that incorrect prediction was
one of the most high profile errors that drew criticism
because of the horror caused to Sean Hornbeck's family. Can
you imagine having this famous psychic TV lady tell you
your son is dead, Your son disappeared, gone for years.

(56:12):
Obviously we all know, you know, forty eight hours and
you know, the literally every minute counts. Imagine it being years.
You pretty much expect the worst. This famous psychic TV
psychic lady tells you, No, your son's dead. I see
very clearly his dead body in between two big rocks.
And then all of a sudden, law enforcement, you know,

(56:34):
on a separate, completely unrelated case, find your son alive
in an apartment. So it's uh, it was Sean's own family.
And then keeping the case alive and pushing and pushing
and pushing that actually you know, and then also Devlin
kidnapping Venonbe that led to the resolution of that case.

(56:57):
And I think the examples are fascinating. There are so
many different examples out there of psychics, you know, helping
with police. There was one that was really interesting. I
watched a documentary on it on YouTube and it's X.
It was an X Navy seal actually, and he was
talking about how he had a friend, also an X

(57:18):
Navy seal that had some sort of ability, and a
local police department had a child. It was a child
that was missing and they couldn't find him. And I
guess he used remote viewing or something and he ended
up telling police walk like seven hundred steps north, two
hundred steps south, and you know, gave them very very

(57:39):
very step to step instructions and they're like, you're going
to see it, and so police were like, bullshit, this
is bullshit. Actually refused to follow his instructions for hours,
and then they finally did, and it took them to
the top of a hill that they never would have
gone up. It was like a six year old child
who got lost in the woods. He wasn't kidnapped, He
got lost in the woods, and he had heard go

(58:01):
to the top point, you know, for vantage, like go
to the highest point, and so he actually went up
this like mountain and wasn't an abandoned cabin. The police
never ever, ever, ever, ever would have discovered that had
the supposed psychic come out and said, I'm seeing where
this is, you know, blah blah blah blah. So it's

(58:22):
fascinating and I guess my honest personal opinion here is
I mean, which obviously this is just our own personal opinions,
not science or fact base, but I believe that all
of this shit's entirely possible. You know, we don't know
how the world works, we don't know how the universe works,
we don't know how our minds work. We don't know anything,

(58:43):
you know. I mean, it's the cases where people are
born and say like nineteen ninety five, and then talk
about previous lives that they lived and can give all
of these insane details about some person that lived three
hundred years before them, right at like four years old.
I mean, it's crazy, right, There are explained phenomena in
every aspect of life. And I'm not saying that none

(59:05):
of this is possible. I mean, obviously our government probably
wouldn't be spending millions and millions of dollars in military
budget for covert research labs, right if there wasn't something
to it. So it's really fascinating though, you guys, we're actually,
in my opinion, we're living in a really fascinating time
right now with all the UAP sightings, with like just

(59:29):
advancements in science overall. AI technology is wild. It's really fascinating,
especially if you go down the rabbit hole. But one
of the reasons why I guess I'm kind of segueing
from the UAPs and whatnot down through the psychic phenomenon
and whatnot is because I discovered a man by the
name of Daryl Anka and it's it's a lot, it's

(59:54):
a lot. And first I want to talk about skeptics. Okay,
I'll want to talk about some skepticism here, because critics
of psychic involvement in anything, whether it's a psychic saying
things for self help purposes, if you go to a
psychic and have your you know, your future red, you know,

(01:00:17):
anything like that, critics have come some concerns.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
First, there's the issue of statistical probability. Right, most psychic
quote unquote predictions are broad enough to apply to a
range of scenarios.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Imagine again, I hate saying, she'll she who shall not
be named, But in the Lori Vallo case, right, she
described in that case like near water. Well, holy shit, dude,
you're in freaking Idaho. Of course there's gonna be water
or fields or a lake, you know what I mean.
Wearing a you know, having someone describe a wooded area

(01:00:54):
near water, or a man wearing dark clothing. That fits
millions of cases and instances. So, psychologists also point to
cognitive bias, and cognitive bias affects both investigators and the
public as well, and there are multiple different types of
cognitive biases. The first one is confirmation bias. We've all

(01:01:14):
heard that, right, So investigators sometimes when psychics get involved,
or just police in general, you know, focus on predictions
or evidence that aligns with existing evidence while ignoring inaccuracies.
So let's say that as someone disappears and a psychic
comes out and says something that aligns with twenty percent

(01:01:36):
of it, but there's no way the rest could be true.
But because one aspect of it, one thread, one piece
of for the fabric, is true, it must be. There's
the Barnum effect. The Barnum effect is my absolute favorite.
The Barnum effect is basically a cognitive bias that occurs
when people interpret vague statements is if they were specifically

(01:01:57):
made about them. So any example of that would be horoscopes.
People interpret these vague personality descriptions as if they are
completely about them. You know, read in a newspaper or
magazine your horoscope for you know, virgo blah blah blah
blah blah. Okay, me and how many other millions of people?

(01:02:22):
That is vague statements about this and my all time favorite, y'all,
I mean, okay, fortune cookies, right, people, some people really
do believe that fortune cookies are real, but my all
time favorite. And it's actually a big thing on TikTok
right now. Tarot readers, Tarot cards right, Oh my god,

(01:02:43):
I want to scream. There are some there are some
people who get on TikTok and they claim that they're
doing Tarot readings. Right. They have really nice decks of cards,
and they will start flipping cards over and saying, you're
you know, you're getting back with your ex. I see

(01:03:05):
someone in your life, a man who drives a red car.
He his birthday could be in July. You know, this
person just really wants to talk to you, and you know,
or you're going through a lot right now, you're up
for a promotion maybe, or you're you know, people want
to talk to you about an issue, just so generalized statements,

(01:03:30):
and of course they flood them the description of the
video with hashtags right, hashtag taro, hashtag psychic, hashtag you know, spirituality,
hashtag whatever the fuck. And it's basically the way that
social media works. If you watch a few seconds of
the video, that's going to inform the algorithm. Thus you're
going to be seeing more of those. And I have

(01:03:52):
seen countless people fall for this, and they always start
the video of this is the reading for December twelfth, twenty.
If you're seeing this, it's meant to be for a reason.
And I can totally see how gullible people would fall
for that, you know what I mean. And then on
top of that, you know that may be the hook,

(01:04:14):
and then they sit and watch the video and so
many just blanket generalized statements are being made. They're like,
oh my god, this is made for me, when really
it's just the fact that they've watched thirty plus seconds
of the video, or the algorithm is going to show
them more and more and more and more content like that. So,
outside of confirmation bias and the Barnum effect, we also

(01:04:37):
have motivated reasoning. And motivated reasoning is where in desperate situations,
people are more likely to accept unconventional ideas, you know,
grieving families, people who feel like they have nothing left,
you know, they are more likely to reach out to
psychics or just people with unconventional methods. Right then, just overall,

(01:05:01):
there's a lack of scientific evidence. Research into psychic phenomena
hasn't produced consistent, replicable results. Many quote unquote successes can
be explained by chance, intuition or psychological techniques such as
cold reading, and I totally get it, Like I completely
and totally get it. It's I can't fathom if I

(01:05:25):
had a loved one. Excuse me, I had a loved
one and that was murdered and it went cold, and
I'm feeling desperate, I'm feeling upset, and then a psychic
comes out and you contacts me and is like, I've
seen you know, your loved one's body. They're dead, they're
located here, Like, how would that make me feel? Especially

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if it turns out that they're completely full of shit,
you know, you know, And beyond the skepticism of the ability,
there's just serious ethical questions as a whole about psychics
working with law enforcement. You know, a false hope for families.
Psychics can unintentionally or sometimes intentionally mislead grieving families, cases

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like Sylvia Brown and Sean Hornback, and that can show
how devastating it is when psychics make incorrect claims. Then
there's the diversion of resources because sometimes law enforcement will
go and follow a psychic's lead, right, They'll talk to
the psychic, they'll report it, and the law enforcement will

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go and follow the psychic's lead. That can waste valuable
time and money, especially when they turn out to be
dead leads. And then also there's public misrepresentation. TV shows
and media often glamorize psychics, creating these unrealistic expectations about
their effectiveness as well as just their abilities as a whole.

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And I totally get it that the emotional toll of
unsolved crimes can push people to seek answers just wherever
they can find them, but it can be really, really nasty.
But where does that leave us?

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Well, some experts actually kind of sit in the middle
of the two between psychic's working for law enforcement and
then you know, the argument skepticism against. You know, law
enforcement agencies could document psychic claims systematically comparing predictions to
case outcomes. You know, psychic shouldn't ever be primary source
of evidence, but wouldn't documenting their efforts. Couldn't those insights

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serve as supplementary tools? You know? And obviously everything should
rely on evidence based methods. You know, science and rational
inquiry are the in fact still the most reliable paths
to justice. But maybe there is a place for this
because we still don't necessarily understand the universe around us, right,

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I mean, either way, it captures our imaginations. And there's
so much about this because it challenges the boundaries of
what we actually believe is possible, you know. But there
are a lot of questions again, just finally, there are
a lot of questions about ethics, effectiveness, and you know,
the limit of human intuition. And the one last thing

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that I'd really quickly like to talk about is darryl Anka.
He's a filmmaker, author, and channeler best known for his
connection with Bushar, an interdimensional entity from a parallel reality,
and over the last forty years, darryl Anka has become

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a prominent figure in the spiritual and metaphysical community. I
thought that he was just some crackpot who was on
YouTube and you know, all the social media platforms. No,
how wrong I was. I thought he was just some
crackpot that nobody cared about because it's just so out there.
Not the case. He is apparently loved by thousands of people,

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thousands of people, Like I said, Like, he goes to
Sedona in California, and he does group readings all over
the world, and he is worship and he basically just
offers insights into universal laws, personal transformation, self help, the

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nature of existence. And I went through a rabbit hole
of his videos. Right ninety nine point nine percent of
what this man says is just common sense, right, common sense.
And we're going to get into some of his beliefs.
But you really need to watch because there's darryl Anka
and he's a person. And then when he channels Bashar,

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which conveniently during the time of when people are paying
hundreds of dollars to see him in a seminar, he'll
channel this alien, interdimensional entity. And he changed his voice,
his mannerism, physical mannerisms, all of it to talk about,
you know, to answer questions like he answers audience questions.

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So Darrel Anka was born in Ottawa, Canada and raised
in California, and from a young age he more or
less showed a deep interest in creativity and the arts.
So he did end up pursuing a career in the
entertainment industry, where he worked as a visual effects designer.
And he was I mean, he wasn't just like a
small fry. He worked on Star Trek the Motion picture,

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he worked on Iron Man, he worked on Pirates of
the Excuse, me pirates of the Caribbean. I mean imagine
that a career bringing some of the most iconic cinematic
visions to life. He did it, and then his life
journey kind of changed. He claims that in the nineteen
seventies he experienced a series of UFO sightings in Los Angeles.

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He has described many times seeing a metallic triangular craft
that defied explanation. He talked about the way it moved,
how it was darting around, It was darting left to right,
up and down, it hovered, and he describes it as
leaving him awestruck. And after these encounters he had an
insatiable curiosity. He became obsessed and dove into research on

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UFO's extraterrestrial life, mysteries of the universe, all of that,
and then that exploration eventually introduced him to the concept
of channeling, where individuals claim to communicate with entities from
other realms or you know, if we want to talk
about string theory and whatnot, dimensions. So intrigued, darryl Anka

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attended some channeling sessions and the way he describes it,
the experience quote unquote clicked for him and he realized
that this was something that he needed to do. Fast
forward to nineteen eighty three and Darryl began channeling Bashar.
Hec decribes Bashar as an extraterrestrial from the civilization of Sasani,

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located in a parallel reality to ours. According to Daryl,
Bashar is an advanced being here. According to Darryl, Bashar
is an advanced being who is here in being channeled
through him to share wisdom about personal growth, the mechanics
of reality, and humanity's potential, and there are Darryl. Anka's

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entire spiel is built basically on a few core principles,
right like a few of Bashar's teachings. One Bashar Okay,
So this is what quote unquote Bashar is saying through
Daryl Anka, Follow your passion, your highest excitement is the
key to aligning with your true self. So basically, wake

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up every day and try your best to follow what
you are most passionate about. Number Two, you create your
own reality. He emphasizes that perception shapes our experience and
everything is fundamentally neutral until we assign meaning to it.
Number Three, living in the present, the only reality, Perbashar

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is the now. Embracing this fosters gratitude and awareness. There's
no living in the past, it's already happened. There's no
need to live in anticipation of the future. That we
are now living in the present, and that we have
to embrace that. And then number four interconnectedness. Bashar says

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that all beings are deeply interconnected and humanity is on
a path to awakening higher states of consciousness. Now, there's
nothing incredibly inordinately special about that message, right, it's all
pretty benign self help, you know, things that you would

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hear from some spiritualists, gurus, self help people, whatever. Right. Well, naturally,
Darylanka needed to write some books about this and sell them.
So he wrote one book called Blueprint for Change, and
then another one called Shards of the Shattered Mirror. And
these are books supposedly written by Bashar as he was

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being channeled through darryl Anka, and they explore topics like
personal transformation and humanity's collective evolution. Darryl Anka also, I
don't know if you guys have seen the movie First Contact,
which was actually really interesting. I saw a couple of
years ago. Daryl Anka produced it. It's a documentary again

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called First Contact, and It basically shares his channeling journey
and delves into the implications of extraterrestrial communication. It's personal stories, witnesses,
scientific theories, it has military people, it has scientists as
well as metaphysical speakers and whatnot. I mean, it is
a fascinating documentary, whether you believe in it or not.
And again, Darryl hosts live workshops and seminars around the

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world where he does Q and A sessions. He allows
attendees just to ask random questions of Bashar, and Bashar
will answer them. And it's absolutely wild to witness. And
I mean, that's basically what he's doing now. He's selling books,
he's saying, he's selling sessions and things like that. What

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I find really, really, really interesting is the fact that
he makes a series of predictions. Quote Bashar does right,
of course, Bashar, you know, tells us things that are
potentially going to happen. It is supposed supposedly Bashar predicted
nine to eleven. But one of the big things is

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that he he predicted is the fact that we are
between twenty twenty four twenty twenty five going to be
introduced aliens. That what Bishar says is that UFOs slash

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UAPs are going to be make themselves so known that
they're going to be so public that the governments around
the world have no choice but to basically acknowledge, and
that contact is going to happen. So that's going to
be really interesting. I love shit like this. It never

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works out. Not everyone is Bobby Yaga, but I digress.
It's you know, it's going to be interesting. He basically
predicts some sort of like shift, multi dimensional shift in
the in the world that he said by twenty twenty seven,
humanity will witness an event that will unequivocally confirm we
are not all in the universe by twenty twenty seven.

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I'm gonna hold on to that date and watch. But yeah.
And he also describes advancements in AI and technology and
how they are direct reflections of the shifts in our
collective consciousness. I mean, he's made a bunch of different predictions,
but currently the big one is about open contact with aliens.

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He also did talk about how you know, predict basically
an uptick in UFO sightings and whatnot basically leading to
the government like forcing their hand into acknowledging it. So,
I mean, whatever, I guess right. But it's it's been
really interesting to turn on CNN and listen and watch

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NPR and have them be reporting on UAPs almost on
a daily basis now, so it's really fascinating. But yeah,
what do you guys think? I know that this has
been the most batshit random episode, but what do you
guys think? Do you think that we are alone? Do
you think there are aliens? Do you think we're nearing

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open contact? Do you think that these whistleblowers coming out
or telling the truth. I want to know what you think.
What do you think is going to happen in the
next couple of years. What do you think these drones
are Do you think it's just a slow newsday that
they're trying to make up or distract from actual issues
at hand, or do you think that there is something

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to them? And I also want to know what you
think about psychics working with law enforcement. But that is
it for today, guys, let me know what you think.
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