December 27, 2025 • 36 mins
The Epstein files are dropping, and they're exactly as damning as you feared. Flight logs with presidents. Emails from princes asking for "inappropriate friends." Ten co-conspirators...nine still walking free. Guards who slept through their shifts. Cameras that conveniently broke. And a Justice Department that can't keep its story straight for 48 hours.
This episode breaks down Epstein news from the last week, why the White House went from celebrating to damage control in three days, and what all of this tells us about who really runs this country.
Spoiler: it's not immigrants. It's not welfare recipients. It's not the trans kid at Target. It's the people on those flight logs, and they're still having brunch while you argue about pronouns. Punch up.
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This episode breaks down Epstein news from the last week, why the White House went from celebrating to damage control in three days, and what all of this tells us about who really runs this country.
Spoiler: it's not immigrants. It's not welfare recipients. It's not the trans kid at Target. It's the people on those flight logs, and they're still having brunch while you argue about pronouns. Punch up.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone. You are listening to Red White and Bruce
courtesy of We Saw the Devil. I'm Robin and Happy Kwanza,
Happy Honkkah, Merry Christmas, Mary, crisis, or nothing at all
like whatever it is that you celebrate. I hope that
you guys are having a wonderful holiday season. I have
been doing absolutely nothing and I don't think that I
have put on a bra or gotten dressed in almost
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a week now, and I cannot tell you how happy
that makes me. Now. Do I look my best right now?
Absolutely fucking not. Am I comfortable? And are my girls free? Yes,
without a doubt. So a couple things today, I guess
first and foremost this episode. So this episode is going
to be an update episode with the new findings and
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what's going on in the Epstein case. Separately, I do
have a Patreon only episode coming since I stopped solely
doing true crime. I mean, honestly, I consider Red Write
and Bruce true crime because we are witnessing one of
the largest criminal events in modern history unfolding right in
front of us. But other people don't see it that way.
They think that suddenly I have become a leftist podcast.
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That being said, first, I don't care. And secondly, I've
also gotten a lot of new Patreon members and so
I figured that this would be a really good time
to reintroduce myself. I have a lot of new listeners,
so I figure a new, proper introduction would probably be
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the lookout. I'm just going to go through my story.
Who I am, how I ended up here doing whatever,
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This is my personal beliefs, you know, things like that
I really miss back in the old days when the
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as little as three dollars a month. So for today's episode,
I want to give you the full picture, like what's
in the files, what we're aware of so far, what
they reveal about Epstein's death because we're starting to see
some Epstein death information come out, Why the White House
is in full on damage control mode, and what all
of this tells us about what's going on in the
structure of American government. And fair warning, this episode is
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going to be dense. There's a lot to cover, but
I think that it's important to kind of lay it
all out because the piecemeal way this information is being
released and spun very very very very very clearly spun,
is designed to confuse you. Right, So let's get unconfused today. First,
let's establish what's actually going on here. So, the Justice
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Department has been releasing files related to Jeffrey Epstein on
a rolling basis, as required by the Epstein Files Transparency
Act that Congress passed and Trump signed up last month.
We all remember that, yes, the law required the DOJ
to release its files on Epstein and his co conspirator
Julane Maxwell by December nineteenth. Did they meet that deadline? Technically?
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Kind of? Did they release everything? Absolutely freaking not. The
DOJ said that the sheer volume of material, which was
over three hundred gigabytes, meant that they'd need to release
documents in batches to properly redact information about survivors, which
sounds reasonable until you look at what they've actually released
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and realized that a whole lot of the redactions seem
designed to protect people who aren't survivors at all. So far,
we've gotten multiple data dumps. The first batch came on Friday,
December nineteenth, and that was just mostly photographs from Epstein's properties,
like showing some prominent figures, including several photos of Bill
Clinton that the White House was very excited about. Trump
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is quite literally obsessed with Bill Clinton, and I see
why he's very low hanging, easy to pick fruit when
it comes to women. The second batch on Saturday included
grand jury transcripts. The third batch last Tuesday was the
biggest one yet, over thirty thousand pages of documents, including
FBI files, internal DOJ communications, court records, emails, video files,
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and it has been chaos ever since. And to me
at least. It's been kind of entertaining, but more so
in like you know the old classic cartoons where someone
will step on a rake and it hits them in
the face, and then they just kind of keep doing it. Well,
the first batch dropped Friday with those Clinton photos, and
the Trump administration was this early thrilled. They amplified everything.
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Look at Clinton, look at these photos. We're the most
transparent administration in history. This is huge. Then the second
third batches dropped with significantly more Trump content. We had
flight logs, emails, and even references to Trump and FBI tips.
And then suddenly the White House messaging pivoted so fucking
hard you could hear the whiplash from space. The Justice
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Department released a statement saying, and I am quoting directly here,
some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made
against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right
before the twenty twenty election. The claims are unfounded and false.
So on Friday the files were vital and important in
the public deserve to see everything. But by Tuesday they
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were full of lies and we shouldn't trust what we're
seeing and reading convenient timing on that revelation Trump, Trump
himself said Monday, and this is a direct quote, I
don't like the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown. I
don't like the pictures of other people being shown. I
think it's a terrible thing. I'm sorry. What like, your
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team spent the entire weekend signal boosting these exact pictures,
Caroline Levitt was retweeting them with commentary, and then now
you're concerned about reputational damage to Bill Clinton. There's apparently
significant frustration within Trump's own orbit about the messaging chaos
like about all of this, One GOP strategist described it
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as confusing and compounding and said it's perpetuated this news
cycle and also given the Trump administration a massive headache
of their own making direct quotes. Even Susie Wiles, Trump's
chief of staff, told Vanity Fair that Attorney General Pam
Bondi had quote with the initial handling of the Epstein matter,
When your own chief of staff is publicly saying that
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you fumbled, like you know, things are not going well,
and let's talk about what we actually know from these
files regarding Trump. Because the administration is working over time
to muddy the waters and confuse everyone. Flight log show
that Trump flew on Epstein's plane at least eight times
between nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety six. Now, in
case you were wondering, this is the height of the
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sexual abuse. An email from a federal prosecutor written in
January twenty twenty so during the Maxwell investigation, noted that
Trump traveled on Epstein's jet many more times than previously
has been reported. The email was sent for situational awareness
and notes that Trump is listed as a passenger on
at least eight flights between ninety three and ninety six,
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including at least four flights on which Maxwell was also present.
One flight in nineteen ninety three shows Trump and Epstein
as the only two listed passengers. Just two guys hanging
on a private plane, definitely talking about real estate and
not fucking children. Another flight list three passengers Epstein, Trump,
and a then twenty year old woman whose name was redacted.
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On two other flights, the passengers included women who would
be possible witnesses in the Maxwell case. Now, and I
also want to be explicitly clear here Trump has not
been charged with any crime related to Epstein. Neither has
Clinton both deny wrongdoing, but the documentation of these relationships
is now part of the public record, and the I
barely knew the guy defends is looking incredibly threadbare. Here
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there's also a photo of Trump and July Maxwell that
was found on Steve Bannon's iPhone during a June twenty
twenty one investigation. An email in the files describes the
discovery quote, I've been looking through Steve Bannon's iPhone seven
on Celebrate. As I was going through the images from
that phone, I found an image of Trump and Julane Maxwell.
Why did Steve Bannon, of all people, have a photo
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of Trump and Maxwell on his phone? I mean, I
that's a question I would love answered personally. Let's talk
about what these files reveal about Epstein's death, because this
is where things get a little unsettling. For years, there
have been conspiracy theories about Epstein's death. Epstein didn't kill himself,
became a literal meme, and look, I understand the impulse.
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The guy had dirt on some of the most powerful
people in the world and then conveniently died before he
could testify. The narrative practically writes itself there, right, But
here's what the new documents actually show. Nothing that challenges
the official ruling that Epstein died by suicide. What they
do show is a lot of failures, institutional failures that
made that suicide possible, and those failures almost look intentional.
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On July twenty third, twenty nineteen, Epstein was found semi
conscious on the floor of his cell with a makeshift
orange noose around his neck. This was about three weeks
before his death. Staff put him in hand in leg
restraints and carried him out on a gurney after struggling
to stand him up. Photos in the newly released files,
time stamped one forty five AM and labeled possible suicide attempt,
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show a disheveled Epstein in a blue anti suicide smock
with redness above his collarbone. His cell mate at the
time was Nicholas Tartaglione, a former police officer awaiting trial
for a quadruple murder. Epstein initially claimed Tartaglione tried to
kill him, but both men later said that they had
no problems with each other and investigators found no evidence
of assault. In a July thirty first interview, Epstein told
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investigators that he hadn't slept in approximately twenty days. He
said that he had woken up on the floor to
the sound of snoring that turned out to be his own.
He was placed on suicide watch for thirty one hours,
and then he was taken off. The documents paint a
picture of someone deteriorating, although I'll note my sympathy is
somewhat limited, giving given what he did. Epstein was housed
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at the Special Housing Unit or SHU solitary confinement. Essentially,
inmates there are locked in their cells approximately twenty three
hours a day. He complained constantly about the conditions. He
said he was getting dehydrated because of limited bathroom breaks
and no access to water. During attorney conferences, his lawyers
wrote that he had no toilet paper. His seapap machine
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for sleep apnea was disconnected. One attorney wrote that it
was not plugged in last night, so he was unable
to use it. He claimed he hadn't slept well in
twenty one days because of the noise and the lack
of a seapath. He complained about a toilet that flushed
for forty five minutes straight. He sat in the corner
holding his ears. He was upset about having to wear
an orange jumpsuit that made him look like a quote
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bad guy. Apparently, irony is completely lost on Jeffrey Epstein,
but I digress. He requested a brown uniform for his
meetings and lawyers. Emails show staff discussing whether Epstein had
toilet paper, whether his medications are being provided, whether his
seapat machine was working, basic stuff that wasn't being handled.
A psychological assessment conducted on July ninth, twenty nineteen, found
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that Epstein was at a low acute suicide risk. The
assessment notes that he appeared polite, calm, and cooperative, with
organized and coherent thoughts. He adamantly denied any suicidal ideation, intention,
or plan. On July twenty eighth, he told a psychologist
that he had a wonderful life and it would be
crazy to take his own life. He also mentioned it
was against his religion to kill himself. Three weeks later,
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he was dead. The day before Epstein died, a federal
judge unsealed approximately two thousand pages of documents from a
civil lawsuit containing allegations about his abuse of girls and
young women. Prison officials observed that this development further eroded
Epstein's previous elevated status. Two days before his death, he
met with his attorneys and signed a new will and testament.
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The day before he died, he was allowed to make
an unrecorded, unmonitored phone call, in violation a Bureau of
Prison's policy. He told staff he was calling his mother,
but actually called someone with whom he quote allegedly had
a personal relationship. On August tenth, twenty nineteen, at approximately
six thirty am, prison staffers found Epstein hanging in his cell.
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He was the only inmate at the Metropolitan Correctional Center
to die by hanging in a decade. And here's where
the institutional failures that I just mentioned become comically egregious,
to the point where it definitely makes you lift an eyebrow.
Two jail staff members were charged after Epstein's death with
failing to watch him. Prosecutors said they slept through part
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of their shift, wiled away time shopping online, and falsified
logbooks to conceal their failure to conduct rounds every thirty minutes.
They ultimately reached a deal to avoid trial. The Office
of Inspector General found that SAHU staff did not conduct
any thirty minute rounds after about ten forty pm on
August ninth, and that none of the required SACHU inmate
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counts were conducted after four pm on August ninth. Count
slips and round sheets were falsified to show they had
been performed. Despite strict instructions that Epstein was not to
be left alone in his cell, jail officials left him
alone anyway. His cellmate had been transferred out and wasn't replaced.
Video surveillance the digital video recorder system malfunctioned on July
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twenty ninth, twenty nineteen. It wasn't fixed until after Epstein's death.
Only one camera had usable footage from the Sahu area.
A search of a cell after his death found excess
prison blankets, linen, and clothing, some ripped to create nooses.
Blood toxicology tests did not reveal any medications or legal
substances in his system. The New York City Medical Examiner
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ruled his death of suicide by hanging on August eleventh,
twenty nineteen. And interestingly, and interestingly, I should mention that
at least one document in these releases has been confirmed.
I am going to state this with bull and asterix
by the doj as fake. A letter supposedly from Epstein
to Larry Nasser, the convicted gymnast doctor remember the one
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who molested all of the gymnasts, referenced our President sharing
our love of young Newbile girls. The DOJ initially included
it in the release, then they had to issue a correction. Magically,
this letter was gaining traction in the media and it
was absolutely everywhere, and then they came out and said, oh, well, guys,
the letter was postmarked three days after Epstein died from
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Virginia instead of New York where he was jailed, and
the handwriting doesn't even match Epstein's. There was also a
video that purported to show Epstein taking his own life,
also fake. It apparently matched footage uploaded to YouTube in
twenty nineteen or twenty twenty labeled as three D rendering graphics.
Someone had emailed it to the FBI asking if it
was real, and it got scooped up in the files.
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So now you've got incomplete releases, massive redactions, the DOJ
releasing things and then coming out and saying, oh, this
is and this isn't real. And then I've been I'm
not including the information I've been following down the rabbit
hole of that letter sent supposedly postmarked three days after
Epstein's death. And I've been reading first hand accounts from
prison officials and mail carriers and everything else about explaining
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how that absolutely could have been real, how that absolutely
could have been postmarked after his death, how it has
to go through the letters have to be read before
their mailout, and blah blah blah. But it's mudding the water.
It's creating confusion. You know. We have incomplete releases, massive reactions,
fake documents that somehow supposedly made it through review, okay,
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you know, and overall and administration that changes its messaging
based on who looks bad on any given day. Deputy
ag Todd Blanche posted on X quote just because a
document is released by the Department of Justice does not
make the allegations or claims within the document factual. We
produce documents, and sometimes this can result in releasing fake
or false documents because they simply are in our possession
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because the law requires this. Which it was a fascinating
thing for the Justice Department to say about documents that
the Justice Department released. Make it make sense. One of
the most messed up pieces of this. Among the FBI
document's release is an account from a woman who contacted
the bureau on March eighth, twenty twenty. She claimed she
was sex trafficked by her uncle and Jeffrey Epstein in
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nineteen eighty four. She was thirteen years old at the
time and she was pregnant. According to the FBI document,
she told investigators, and I'm going to quote directly here
that Donald Trump participated regularly in paying money to force
her to have sex with him, and he was present
when my uncle murdered my newborn child and disposed of
the body in Lake Michigan. She claimed that she gave
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birth while in the middle of being trafficked, and her
newborn baby girl was killed and disposed of quote because
I gave birth to her while in the middle of
this sex trafficking ordeal. The woman said the incidents took
place mostly from a yacht in Lake Michigan or originating
from Mona, Lake, Michigan. She stated Trump was president and
witnessed her baby being killed. Now, I need to be
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extremely clear about something. This is an unverified FBI tip.
It has not been corroborated, It has not resulted in charges.
We don't know what if any investigation followed this up.
This woman's identity is not public. The DOJ has explicitly
stated that some documents in these releases contain untrue and
sensationalist claims submitted to the FBI, particularly around the twenty
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twenty election. This tip was submitted in March twenty twenty,
eight months before the election. So why am I telling
you about it then? Because it's in the files because
the FBI received this tip and documented it. Because whether
it's true, false, or somewhere in between, it represents the
kind of allegation that was being made and the kind
of information that investigators had access to. And there have
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been a lot of allegations about Donald Trump going back
to the nineties, probably even before. And I'm also telling
you about it because the administration that spent last Friday
crowing about Bill Clinton photos is now telling you and
me not to believe anything that we are reading at all.
I'm not telling you that this is true. I'm not
telling you that this is false. I'm just telling you
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that it exists. It's in an official FBI document, and
you deserve to know what your government has in its
files about the people running what you do with that
information is completely up to you. I want to talk about, really,
really quickly what I think that the Epstein coverage is
fundamentally missing. People don't understand what Jeffrey Epstein actually was.
The popular conception is that he was just a sex
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trafficker who ran an island where rich people abuse children.
And yes, he absolutely was that, but that framing is
incomplete in ways that might be letting other criminals involved
here off the hook. And that's the thing. Now. I
am all for if bringing down whoever is in these
files when it comes to the sex trafficking all of that,
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because I am not in a cult. I also hope
any Democratic person who even has the tip of their
pinky toe or pinky finger involved in this is taken
down and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Every single person I know feels the same way. Most
Republicans too. But the fact of the matter is that
the sex trafficking was just one piece of this. Because
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Jeffrey Epstein was a fixer, you guys, sex trafficking was
just a piece of it. Why do you think he
had as many connections as he did to men, women, celebrities, everything.
It wasn't solely about child sex traffick. The deal with
Epstein wasn't just access to miners, though that was certainly
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part of the service menu. The deal was that Epstein
could get you anything, whatever you needed, whatever you wanted,
however illegal or depraved. Epstein was the one to make
that happen. Children, yes, but almost also certainly drugs, weapons,
adult trafficking, and I would genuinely not be surprised if
there is also murder for hire here. The pedophilia is
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the most heinous aspect, obviously, I mean, it's what makes
your stomach turn, and rightfully so. But I think other
categories of despicable and illegal activity are being completely overlooked
because everyone is just laser focused on finding evidence of
child abuse. And look, I get it. It's important that
these women and these survivors see justice. It's important that
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we bring these people to justice and that they are prosecuted,
which probably is not going to happen, but we can.
What's the saying shit in one hand and wish in
the other. Epstein Island is being characterized in the public
imagination as the place you go to have sex with kids.
A more accurate characterization is the place you go when
you're so fucking rich that laws become optional. It was
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a lawless zone for the ultra wealthy. Whatever you wanted,
no consequences, no records, no accountability. It was basically a
full service operation for people accustomed to operating above the law.
So we're looking for pedophiles, and we might be missing
everything else. People like Jeffrey Epstein do not come into
that kind of wealth, that kind of connections, especially since
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he wasn't actively really truly providing any obvious service above board.
There was another story in the Epstein files from a
girl who claims that she had sex with Bill Clinton.
He raped her, rather because I'm sorry, myners cannot consent
to having sex with adults. So this file reported that
Bill Clinton raped her. I believe Prince Andrew as well,
and that she started to speak up. She ended up
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reporting it, and then Hillary Clinton actually sent people after her.
And first of all, and let me be very and
let me be very clear, something about that just hit
hits like it tracks. I have not and do not
like Hillary Clinton. I never have, I never will. I
never got on the peak pussy hat train and all
of that shit. You know, when women did the marches
I understand how historic and an event and how we
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wanted to feel Hillary Clinton was not the one she
just know, if that is true, bring her down too,
Because here's the thing. No one should get a pass
from this. Absolutely, no one should get a pass from this.
And on that note, did you guys know that the
document's reference at least ten co conspirators Of Epstein's ten people,
only one of them, Julane Maxwell, is serving twenty years.
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The other nine unknown, uncharged and free. One is described
as a wealthy businessman in Ohio. Three were located in
Florida and served grand jury subpoenas, one each in Boston,
New York, and Connecticut were located and served. Three more
were described as out of pocket, which is basically DOJ
slang for we couldn't find them or we didn't try
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that hard. What happened to those people, what did investigators find,
what did they testify to? We don't know. The identities
are redacted, the outcomes are unclear. Maxwell is behind bars.
Everyone else apparently just went back to their lives like Kuckol.
Representative Rocanna, who co sponsored the Epstein Files Transparency Act,
said that he's looking for specific documents that still haven't
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been released. Quote, there's a draft indictment of the first
Jeffrey Epstein case that really implicates other rich and powerful
men who knew about the abuse or participated in it.
That indictment should be released. He also mentioned witness interviews
between the FBI and other people who were accused of
being at Jeffrey Epstein's rape Island or going to parties
where there were sixteen and seventeen year old girls being
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paraded around. Those interviews haven't been released either, and highly relevant.
Let's talk about everyone's favorite disgraced royal. This batch also
included what appeared to be email exchanges between Prince Andrew
and Jelainne Maxwell. An email from an address labeled the
Invisible Man subtle to Maxwell reads, I am up here
at Balmoral summer camp for the royal family. How's la?
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Have you found me some new inappropriate friends? Inappropriate friends?
He literally typed those words and sent them into an
email gross. The email continues he wanted Maxwell to let
him know when she's coming over because he's free for
a week and wants to go somewhere hot and sunny
with some fun people. Maxwell responded, I have only been
able to find appropriate friends. We'll let you know about
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some church meetings on those dates. I don't know what
church meetings was code for, but I'm confident it wasn't
actual church meetings. Virginia Guffrey, one of Epstein's victims, alleged
that Epstein and Maxwell trafficked her to Prince Andrew when
she was just seventeen. Andrew denied everything, but settled a
civil lawsuit by making a substantial donation to her charity,
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which is definitely what innocent people do. Guphrey died by
suicide this past April. There's also a two thousand and
one police report from Palm Beach in these documents that's
maddening to read. Four years before Epstein was officially investigated,
local police got a tip that Maxwell was recruiting young
women from a nearby college. She was telling them that
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she needed young, beautiful, unmarried women to answer phones and
do office work, paid two hundred dollars a day. One
student who went to the house reported that the phone
calls coming in were men calling to say when they
were going to drop off particular girls. Multiple students said
Maxwell and Epstein were secretive about what was happening. At
least two complained about Epstein touching them inappropriately through the
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trash and found listings for massage services in New York,
lists of females with ages, physical descriptions, and what they do.
The investigation was closed and their final report reads, no
illegal activity has been reported or detected. They had reports
of inappropriate touching, they had phone logs about dropping off girls,
they had lists of women with descriptions of services, and
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then they closed the investigation. Four years later, in two
thousand and five, the family of a fourteen year old
girl finally launched the investigation that led to Epstein's sweetheart deal.
Back in two thousand and seven, he served thirteen months
in County jail with work release privileges, which if you've
read about his work release and how he was able
just to continue on with his life, it will make
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you want to scream. How many victims in those four years,
how many lives were destroyed because someone decided that there
was just nothing to see there. I've decided that at
the end of every Red, White, and Brews episode, I'm
going to give my thoughts on the news, my pure,
unfiltered thoughts, and I want to clothes with something on
this one that's kind of been eating at me through
all of this. You know what you're not going to
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see in the epscene files in a predatory capacity, immigrants
and refugees, you know, the people that they are training
you to hate. You're not going to find undocumented workers
on those flight logs and a predatory capacity. You're not
going to see asylum seekers at those parties. The people
trafficking children to private islands aren't crossing the border on
foot with everything they own in a fucking backpack. You
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know who is in these files? The ruling elite, presidents, princes, billionaires,
the people who own companies, who fund the campaigns, who
write the laws, who set the policies, the people responsible
for managing the world that we live in. The victims.
They're your children, working class kids, vulnerable kids, kids from
families without power, without connections, without the resources to fight back.
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Have you seen the interviews with the girls in Florida
and Palm Beach. That's who these people pray on. That's
who they've always prayed on. The people making your life
life harder, the ones raising your bills, cutting your wages,
eliminating your health care pricing you out of your housing,
pricing you out of your fucking education. It's not your
next door neighbor. It's not the immigrant who just made
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it to your community. It's not the single mom working
double shifts, doing her absolute damnedest to get her children fed, clothed,
in schooled. It's not the nuclear family with two kids
and a dog trying to make ends meet the best
that they can. It's not the college student working with
three jobs while surviving on food stamps. It is the elite,
and it has always been the elite. They don't care
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about you. They don't care about your family, your community,
your struggles, your dreams. You are a line item to them.
You are labor to be extracted and discarded. You're a
consumer to be manipulated. You're a voter to be managed.
They only care about their income, their bottom line, their
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access to power and pleasure without consequence. And we are
just fuel for that machine. And I'm gonna say this
with my whole fucking chest. The real divide in this
country is not red versus blue. It's not conservative versus liberal.
It's not urban versus rural. It's not religious versus secular.
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It's not Republican versus democrat. Those are the divisions that
they want you focused on, because as long as we
are fighting each other, we are not looking up. The
real divide here is the one percent versus everything and
everyone else. The people in those flight logs versus the
rest of us who will never see that kind of
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wealth or power in our lifetimes, probably even over multiple
lifetimes if we had them. The people who can afford
to make problems disappear versus the people who are the
problems that they are disappearing. Wake the fuck up, everyone.
I've been thinking about this for so long, and yesterday
I was scrolling on TikTok and I saw another content
creator and he was like, start punching up, start punching up. Yes,
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until we discover our collective power, until we stop letting
them divide us into manageable little tribes that hate each
other more than we hate the systems exploiting all of us.
They win, They keep winning. They've been winning at this
for decades. The only thing they're actually afraid of is
realizing that we have more in common with each other
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than we do with them. You have more in common
with Kleidas in the mountains of West Virginia living on
fifty dollars a fucking month than you do with Donald Trump,
up jd Vance, any of the others. That is a fact,
you guys, that is a fact. How many paychecks are
you away from losing your home if you lost your
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job with no safety net. Let's say you're divorced or
single mother, you work two jobs, you have two kids,
you get cancer, you have low quality, high deductible insurance.
Who do you think you have more in common with
Kleidas or a multi billionaire Cleidus or Jeff Bezos. I
will say this a the only thing they are actually
afraid of is us realizing that we have more in
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common with each other than we do with them. That
is the nightmare scenario for the ruling class. A unified
populace that sees through the bullshit and starts demanding accountability
from the top down. Can I profess to understand how
someone could look at Donald Trump and say that's a leader,
or that's a good person help, or that's a smart person.
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Absolutely fucking not. Do I find their beliefs abhorrent and
reprehensible and disgusting, absolute fucking lutely. But guys, you and
I we all have more in common with them than
we do with JD. Vance, Donald Trump, and anybody as well,
Nancy Pelosi, any of them, either party, either side. Millions
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of people are about to lose their health care. That's
a fact. That is a fact. Millions of people are
losing their health care. Also, Trump just announced that he's
going to start garnishing the wages of students who are
defaulted on their student loans. And guess what. Guess one
person who has defaulted previously on student loans me. I
got laid off. I lost my job, I lost my
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health insurance, I couldn't pay for my mortgage, I could
barely keep electricity on. I immediately burned through my savings, and
then I defaulted on my student loans because I couldn't
pay them. It was getting laid off from a one
hundred and fifty k annual salary, still having the bills,
the student loans, the credit cards, the mortgage, you know, electricity, heat,
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all of that plus student loans. Obviously, my student loans
are put on the back burner. Luckily, that time period
in my life did not last long. But it happens
to the best of us, and it happens, and it's
sometimes out of control, and I'm so fucking disgusted and
tired of seeing all of the comments, always from Republicans.
They're like, well, don't take out loans if you can't
pay them back. You knew that you had to pay
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them back. You knew that you had to pay them back.
What kind of society do we want to live in?
And it makes my blood boil, It makes my absolute
blood boil. I have worked almost every day since I
was fourteen years old. Through no fault of my own,
I get laid off from a professional job. But fuck me,
I guess right, like, I don't want a society like that,
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you know, and I understand the need for loans and
all of this other shit, But what do you think
is going to happen. We've had record layoffs over this
last year, record record layoffs in the federal government. Have
you guys tried finding a job on LinkedIn or indeed
or anywhere? Thousands and thousands and thousands of applications for
even the smallest of role People are about to lose
all of their health care, and then on top of that,
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they're going to start garnishing the wages of the people
who are remaining, and we just went to war with
another country because we can afford that. We can afford
to give Argentina twenty billion dollars for their economic crisis.
We can afford to give Israel a fuck ton of money,
as we always have, but we cannot help American citizens who,
through no fault of their own, due to economic crisis here,
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get laid off. We can't give them a little bit
of help. We couldn't even keep our government open, but
we gave Argentina twenty billion dollars of US tax para money.
Shit is bleak, you guys, and my only hope, my
only hope because our country is so divided into right
versus left, right versus left. I see all my Democrat friends.
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You know, they're kind of fifty to fifty split on
fuck Trumper's. We should never allow them back there. You know,
they should wear a scarlet letter for the rest of
their lives to others who are no like you know,
they're finally getting it, they're understanding it. We need to
support them. You have Trump supporters who are now leaving
MAGA in droves because his behavior recently over the last
several months has just been absolutely unhinged. Plus now the
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Epstein Files, there are finally a lot of people seeing
the light. And I'm not gonna lie. I've been struggling
because where I've been approaching this is Guys, the first
day he came down the elevator talking about bad ombres,
when he mocked a disabled reporter, that should have been
the nail in his fucking casket. Do I think that
people who continue to actively support him now are bad people?
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Not necessarily, but they're certainly not fucking making a good
case for themselves after everything that he's said and done.
The way he treats female report I'm not even gonna
go through the list because they know they just don't
care because he hates the same people that they do.
Whether it's black people, brown people, trans people, women, it
doesn't matter. But the only positive that I'm seeing right
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now is that there is a degree of class consciousness happening.
And if that is born out of the Epstein Files,
and if this is revolutionary for our government or our society,
then I guess I will take it. That is something
that I have seen a lot of is actual hard
red maga coming out and being like, what the fuck Trump?
Is evil and it's a whole class system against us.
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That is the way, guys, because that is the truth.
That is the way. Because that is the truth, the
files will keep coming, the redactions will keep pissing us off.
The powerful and those in charge will continue to try
to control the narrative. Our job is to pay attention anyway.
I'm obviously going to keep covering this as more information emerges,
but I want you to remember that this isn't just
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about who visited an island. This is about a protection
racket for the most powerful people on the planet. We
have a system that has allowed predators in both parties
to operate with impunity for decades, while law enforcement looked
the other way or actively participated in the cover up.
We're seeing fragments here, guys, redacted fragments, and still even
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through the black bars and the missing pages, the picture
is beyond damning. Imagine what they're still hiding. We're not
even through the tip tip tip on top of the iceberg.
But that's it for today, guys. Thank you for listening,
thanks for paying attention, and thank you for giving a
damn take care of yourselves. I hope you guys have
a wonderful, mir I am looking forward to a quiet
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night in with my wife and a Sharcucci board. I
am a hoe for sharkcootery, so I'm looking forward to that.
But again, I hope you guys had a wonderful Christmas,
whatever holiday you celebrate, a wonderful New Year. There will
be a Patreon only episode coming out in the next
couple days, and likely one more episode of the podcast
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next time,
Hello everyone. You are listening to Red White and Bruce
courtesy of We Saw the Devil. I'm Robin and Happy Kwanza,
Happy Honkkah, Merry Christmas, Mary, crisis, or nothing at all
like whatever it is that you celebrate. I hope that
you guys are having a wonderful holiday season. I have
been doing absolutely nothing and I don't think that I
have put on a bra or gotten dressed in almost
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a week now, and I cannot tell you how happy
that makes me. Now. Do I look my best right now?
Absolutely fucking not. Am I comfortable? And are my girls free? Yes,
without a doubt. So a couple things today, I guess
first and foremost this episode. So this episode is going
to be an update episode with the new findings and
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what's going on in the Epstein case. Separately, I do
have a Patreon only episode coming since I stopped solely
doing true crime. I mean, honestly, I consider Red Write
and Bruce true crime because we are witnessing one of
the largest criminal events in modern history unfolding right in
front of us. But other people don't see it that way.
They think that suddenly I have become a leftist podcast.
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That being said, first, I don't care. And secondly, I've
also gotten a lot of new Patreon members and so
I figured that this would be a really good time
to reintroduce myself. I have a lot of new listeners,
so I figure a new, proper introduction would probably be
a good episode. So for Patreon patrons, please be on
the lookout. I'm just going to go through my story.
Who I am, how I ended up here doing whatever,
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This is my personal beliefs, you know, things like that
I really miss back in the old days when the
Patreon was hopping and we did a lot of discord
chats and stuff like that. So before I start getting
into full length, like case, Patreon only episodes, I thought
starting off with a reintroduction would be a good way
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Links in the show notes. Feel free to subscribe for
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as little as three dollars a month. So for today's episode,
I want to give you the full picture, like what's
in the files, what we're aware of so far, what
they reveal about Epstein's death because we're starting to see
some Epstein death information come out, Why the White House
is in full on damage control mode, and what all
of this tells us about what's going on in the
structure of American government. And fair warning, this episode is
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going to be dense. There's a lot to cover, but
I think that it's important to kind of lay it
all out because the piecemeal way this information is being
released and spun very very very very very clearly spun,
is designed to confuse you. Right, So let's get unconfused today. First,
let's establish what's actually going on here. So, the Justice
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Department has been releasing files related to Jeffrey Epstein on
a rolling basis, as required by the Epstein Files Transparency
Act that Congress passed and Trump signed up last month.
We all remember that, yes, the law required the DOJ
to release its files on Epstein and his co conspirator
Julane Maxwell by December nineteenth. Did they meet that deadline? Technically?
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Kind of? Did they release everything? Absolutely freaking not. The
DOJ said that the sheer volume of material, which was
over three hundred gigabytes, meant that they'd need to release
documents in batches to properly redact information about survivors, which
sounds reasonable until you look at what they've actually released
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and realized that a whole lot of the redactions seem
designed to protect people who aren't survivors at all. So far,
we've gotten multiple data dumps. The first batch came on Friday,
December nineteenth, and that was just mostly photographs from Epstein's properties,
like showing some prominent figures, including several photos of Bill
Clinton that the White House was very excited about. Trump
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is quite literally obsessed with Bill Clinton, and I see
why he's very low hanging, easy to pick fruit when
it comes to women. The second batch on Saturday included
grand jury transcripts. The third batch last Tuesday was the
biggest one yet, over thirty thousand pages of documents, including
FBI files, internal DOJ communications, court records, emails, video files,
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and it has been chaos ever since. And to me
at least. It's been kind of entertaining, but more so
in like you know the old classic cartoons where someone
will step on a rake and it hits them in
the face, and then they just kind of keep doing it. Well,
the first batch dropped Friday with those Clinton photos, and
the Trump administration was this early thrilled. They amplified everything.
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Look at Clinton, look at these photos. We're the most
transparent administration in history. This is huge. Then the second
third batches dropped with significantly more Trump content. We had
flight logs, emails, and even references to Trump and FBI tips.
And then suddenly the White House messaging pivoted so fucking
hard you could hear the whiplash from space. The Justice
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Department released a statement saying, and I am quoting directly here,
some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made
against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right
before the twenty twenty election. The claims are unfounded and false.
So on Friday the files were vital and important in
the public deserve to see everything. But by Tuesday they
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were full of lies and we shouldn't trust what we're
seeing and reading convenient timing on that revelation Trump, Trump
himself said Monday, and this is a direct quote, I
don't like the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown. I
don't like the pictures of other people being shown. I
think it's a terrible thing. I'm sorry. What like, your
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team spent the entire weekend signal boosting these exact pictures,
Caroline Levitt was retweeting them with commentary, and then now
you're concerned about reputational damage to Bill Clinton. There's apparently
significant frustration within Trump's own orbit about the messaging chaos
like about all of this, One GOP strategist described it
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as confusing and compounding and said it's perpetuated this news
cycle and also given the Trump administration a massive headache
of their own making direct quotes. Even Susie Wiles, Trump's
chief of staff, told Vanity Fair that Attorney General Pam
Bondi had quote with the initial handling of the Epstein matter,
When your own chief of staff is publicly saying that
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you fumbled, like you know, things are not going well,
and let's talk about what we actually know from these
files regarding Trump. Because the administration is working over time
to muddy the waters and confuse everyone. Flight log show
that Trump flew on Epstein's plane at least eight times
between nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety six. Now, in
case you were wondering, this is the height of the
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sexual abuse. An email from a federal prosecutor written in
January twenty twenty so during the Maxwell investigation, noted that
Trump traveled on Epstein's jet many more times than previously
has been reported. The email was sent for situational awareness
and notes that Trump is listed as a passenger on
at least eight flights between ninety three and ninety six,
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including at least four flights on which Maxwell was also present.
One flight in nineteen ninety three shows Trump and Epstein
as the only two listed passengers. Just two guys hanging
on a private plane, definitely talking about real estate and
not fucking children. Another flight list three passengers Epstein, Trump,
and a then twenty year old woman whose name was redacted.
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On two other flights, the passengers included women who would
be possible witnesses in the Maxwell case. Now, and I
also want to be explicitly clear here Trump has not
been charged with any crime related to Epstein. Neither has
Clinton both deny wrongdoing, but the documentation of these relationships
is now part of the public record, and the I
barely knew the guy defends is looking incredibly threadbare. Here
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there's also a photo of Trump and July Maxwell that
was found on Steve Bannon's iPhone during a June twenty
twenty one investigation. An email in the files describes the
discovery quote, I've been looking through Steve Bannon's iPhone seven
on Celebrate. As I was going through the images from
that phone, I found an image of Trump and Julane Maxwell.
Why did Steve Bannon, of all people, have a photo
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of Trump and Maxwell on his phone? I mean, I
that's a question I would love answered personally. Let's talk
about what these files reveal about Epstein's death, because this
is where things get a little unsettling. For years, there
have been conspiracy theories about Epstein's death. Epstein didn't kill himself,
became a literal meme, and look, I understand the impulse.
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The guy had dirt on some of the most powerful
people in the world and then conveniently died before he
could testify. The narrative practically writes itself there, right, But
here's what the new documents actually show. Nothing that challenges
the official ruling that Epstein died by suicide. What they
do show is a lot of failures, institutional failures that
made that suicide possible, and those failures almost look intentional.
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On July twenty third, twenty nineteen, Epstein was found semi
conscious on the floor of his cell with a makeshift
orange noose around his neck. This was about three weeks
before his death. Staff put him in hand in leg
restraints and carried him out on a gurney after struggling
to stand him up. Photos in the newly released files,
time stamped one forty five AM and labeled possible suicide attempt,
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show a disheveled Epstein in a blue anti suicide smock
with redness above his collarbone. His cell mate at the
time was Nicholas Tartaglione, a former police officer awaiting trial
for a quadruple murder. Epstein initially claimed Tartaglione tried to
kill him, but both men later said that they had
no problems with each other and investigators found no evidence
of assault. In a July thirty first interview, Epstein told
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investigators that he hadn't slept in approximately twenty days. He
said that he had woken up on the floor to
the sound of snoring that turned out to be his own.
He was placed on suicide watch for thirty one hours,
and then he was taken off. The documents paint a
picture of someone deteriorating, although I'll note my sympathy is
somewhat limited, giving given what he did. Epstein was housed
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at the Special Housing Unit or SHU solitary confinement. Essentially,
inmates there are locked in their cells approximately twenty three
hours a day. He complained constantly about the conditions. He
said he was getting dehydrated because of limited bathroom breaks
and no access to water. During attorney conferences, his lawyers
wrote that he had no toilet paper. His seapap machine
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for sleep apnea was disconnected. One attorney wrote that it
was not plugged in last night, so he was unable
to use it. He claimed he hadn't slept well in
twenty one days because of the noise and the lack
of a seapath. He complained about a toilet that flushed
for forty five minutes straight. He sat in the corner
holding his ears. He was upset about having to wear
an orange jumpsuit that made him look like a quote
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bad guy. Apparently, irony is completely lost on Jeffrey Epstein,
but I digress. He requested a brown uniform for his
meetings and lawyers. Emails show staff discussing whether Epstein had
toilet paper, whether his medications are being provided, whether his
seapat machine was working, basic stuff that wasn't being handled.
A psychological assessment conducted on July ninth, twenty nineteen, found
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that Epstein was at a low acute suicide risk. The
assessment notes that he appeared polite, calm, and cooperative, with
organized and coherent thoughts. He adamantly denied any suicidal ideation, intention,
or plan. On July twenty eighth, he told a psychologist
that he had a wonderful life and it would be
crazy to take his own life. He also mentioned it
was against his religion to kill himself. Three weeks later,
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he was dead. The day before Epstein died, a federal
judge unsealed approximately two thousand pages of documents from a
civil lawsuit containing allegations about his abuse of girls and
young women. Prison officials observed that this development further eroded
Epstein's previous elevated status. Two days before his death, he
met with his attorneys and signed a new will and testament.
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The day before he died, he was allowed to make
an unrecorded, unmonitored phone call, in violation a Bureau of
Prison's policy. He told staff he was calling his mother,
but actually called someone with whom he quote allegedly had
a personal relationship. On August tenth, twenty nineteen, at approximately
six thirty am, prison staffers found Epstein hanging in his cell.
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He was the only inmate at the Metropolitan Correctional Center
to die by hanging in a decade. And here's where
the institutional failures that I just mentioned become comically egregious,
to the point where it definitely makes you lift an eyebrow.
Two jail staff members were charged after Epstein's death with
failing to watch him. Prosecutors said they slept through part
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of their shift, wiled away time shopping online, and falsified
logbooks to conceal their failure to conduct rounds every thirty minutes.
They ultimately reached a deal to avoid trial. The Office
of Inspector General found that SAHU staff did not conduct
any thirty minute rounds after about ten forty pm on
August ninth, and that none of the required SACHU inmate
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counts were conducted after four pm on August ninth. Count
slips and round sheets were falsified to show they had
been performed. Despite strict instructions that Epstein was not to
be left alone in his cell, jail officials left him
alone anyway. His cellmate had been transferred out and wasn't replaced.
Video surveillance the digital video recorder system malfunctioned on July
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twenty ninth, twenty nineteen. It wasn't fixed until after Epstein's death.
Only one camera had usable footage from the Sahu area.
A search of a cell after his death found excess
prison blankets, linen, and clothing, some ripped to create nooses.
Blood toxicology tests did not reveal any medications or legal
substances in his system. The New York City Medical Examiner
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ruled his death of suicide by hanging on August eleventh,
twenty nineteen. And interestingly, and interestingly, I should mention that
at least one document in these releases has been confirmed.
I am going to state this with bull and asterix
by the doj as fake. A letter supposedly from Epstein
to Larry Nasser, the convicted gymnast doctor remember the one
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who molested all of the gymnasts, referenced our President sharing
our love of young Newbile girls. The DOJ initially included
it in the release, then they had to issue a correction. Magically,
this letter was gaining traction in the media and it
was absolutely everywhere, and then they came out and said, oh, well, guys,
the letter was postmarked three days after Epstein died from
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Virginia instead of New York where he was jailed, and
the handwriting doesn't even match Epstein's. There was also a
video that purported to show Epstein taking his own life,
also fake. It apparently matched footage uploaded to YouTube in
twenty nineteen or twenty twenty labeled as three D rendering graphics.
Someone had emailed it to the FBI asking if it
was real, and it got scooped up in the files.
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So now you've got incomplete releases, massive redactions, the DOJ
releasing things and then coming out and saying, oh, this
is and this isn't real. And then I've been I'm
not including the information I've been following down the rabbit
hole of that letter sent supposedly postmarked three days after
Epstein's death. And I've been reading first hand accounts from
prison officials and mail carriers and everything else about explaining
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how that absolutely could have been real, how that absolutely
could have been postmarked after his death, how it has
to go through the letters have to be read before
their mailout, and blah blah blah. But it's mudding the water.
It's creating confusion. You know. We have incomplete releases, massive reactions,
fake documents that somehow supposedly made it through review, okay,
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you know, and overall and administration that changes its messaging
based on who looks bad on any given day. Deputy
ag Todd Blanche posted on X quote just because a
document is released by the Department of Justice does not
make the allegations or claims within the document factual. We
produce documents, and sometimes this can result in releasing fake
or false documents because they simply are in our possession
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because the law requires this. Which it was a fascinating
thing for the Justice Department to say about documents that
the Justice Department released. Make it make sense. One of
the most messed up pieces of this. Among the FBI
document's release is an account from a woman who contacted
the bureau on March eighth, twenty twenty. She claimed she
was sex trafficked by her uncle and Jeffrey Epstein in
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nineteen eighty four. She was thirteen years old at the
time and she was pregnant. According to the FBI document,
she told investigators, and I'm going to quote directly here
that Donald Trump participated regularly in paying money to force
her to have sex with him, and he was present
when my uncle murdered my newborn child and disposed of
the body in Lake Michigan. She claimed that she gave
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birth while in the middle of being trafficked, and her
newborn baby girl was killed and disposed of quote because
I gave birth to her while in the middle of
this sex trafficking ordeal. The woman said the incidents took
place mostly from a yacht in Lake Michigan or originating
from Mona, Lake, Michigan. She stated Trump was president and
witnessed her baby being killed. Now, I need to be
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extremely clear about something. This is an unverified FBI tip.
It has not been corroborated, It has not resulted in charges.
We don't know what if any investigation followed this up.
This woman's identity is not public. The DOJ has explicitly
stated that some documents in these releases contain untrue and
sensationalist claims submitted to the FBI, particularly around the twenty
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twenty election. This tip was submitted in March twenty twenty,
eight months before the election. So why am I telling
you about it then? Because it's in the files because
the FBI received this tip and documented it. Because whether
it's true, false, or somewhere in between, it represents the
kind of allegation that was being made and the kind
of information that investigators had access to. And there have
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been a lot of allegations about Donald Trump going back
to the nineties, probably even before. And I'm also telling
you about it because the administration that spent last Friday
crowing about Bill Clinton photos is now telling you and
me not to believe anything that we are reading at all.
I'm not telling you that this is true. I'm not
telling you that this is false. I'm just telling you
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that it exists. It's in an official FBI document, and
you deserve to know what your government has in its
files about the people running what you do with that
information is completely up to you. I want to talk about, really,
really quickly what I think that the Epstein coverage is
fundamentally missing. People don't understand what Jeffrey Epstein actually was.
The popular conception is that he was just a sex
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trafficker who ran an island where rich people abuse children.
And yes, he absolutely was that, but that framing is
incomplete in ways that might be letting other criminals involved
here off the hook. And that's the thing. Now. I
am all for if bringing down whoever is in these
files when it comes to the sex trafficking all of that,
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because I am not in a cult. I also hope
any Democratic person who even has the tip of their
pinky toe or pinky finger involved in this is taken
down and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Every single person I know feels the same way. Most
Republicans too. But the fact of the matter is that
the sex trafficking was just one piece of this. Because
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Jeffrey Epstein was a fixer, you guys, sex trafficking was
just a piece of it. Why do you think he
had as many connections as he did to men, women, celebrities, everything.
It wasn't solely about child sex traffick. The deal with
Epstein wasn't just access to miners, though that was certainly
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part of the service menu. The deal was that Epstein
could get you anything, whatever you needed, whatever you wanted,
however illegal or depraved. Epstein was the one to make
that happen. Children, yes, but almost also certainly drugs, weapons,
adult trafficking, and I would genuinely not be surprised if
there is also murder for hire here. The pedophilia is
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the most heinous aspect, obviously, I mean, it's what makes
your stomach turn, and rightfully so. But I think other
categories of despicable and illegal activity are being completely overlooked
because everyone is just laser focused on finding evidence of
child abuse. And look, I get it. It's important that
these women and these survivors see justice. It's important that
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we bring these people to justice and that they are prosecuted,
which probably is not going to happen, but we can.
What's the saying shit in one hand and wish in
the other. Epstein Island is being characterized in the public
imagination as the place you go to have sex with kids.
A more accurate characterization is the place you go when
you're so fucking rich that laws become optional. It was
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a lawless zone for the ultra wealthy. Whatever you wanted,
no consequences, no records, no accountability. It was basically a
full service operation for people accustomed to operating above the law.
So we're looking for pedophiles, and we might be missing
everything else. People like Jeffrey Epstein do not come into
that kind of wealth, that kind of connections, especially since
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he wasn't actively really truly providing any obvious service above board.
There was another story in the Epstein files from a
girl who claims that she had sex with Bill Clinton.
He raped her, rather because I'm sorry, myners cannot consent
to having sex with adults. So this file reported that
Bill Clinton raped her. I believe Prince Andrew as well,
and that she started to speak up. She ended up
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reporting it, and then Hillary Clinton actually sent people after her.
And first of all, and let me be very and
let me be very clear, something about that just hit
hits like it tracks. I have not and do not
like Hillary Clinton. I never have, I never will. I
never got on the peak pussy hat train and all
of that shit. You know, when women did the marches
I understand how historic and an event and how we
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wanted to feel Hillary Clinton was not the one she
just know, if that is true, bring her down too,
Because here's the thing. No one should get a pass
from this. Absolutely, no one should get a pass from this.
And on that note, did you guys know that the
document's reference at least ten co conspirators Of Epstein's ten people,
only one of them, Julane Maxwell, is serving twenty years.
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The other nine unknown, uncharged and free. One is described
as a wealthy businessman in Ohio. Three were located in
Florida and served grand jury subpoenas, one each in Boston,
New York, and Connecticut were located and served. Three more
were described as out of pocket, which is basically DOJ
slang for we couldn't find them or we didn't try
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that hard. What happened to those people, what did investigators find,
what did they testify to? We don't know. The identities
are redacted, the outcomes are unclear. Maxwell is behind bars.
Everyone else apparently just went back to their lives like Kuckol.
Representative Rocanna, who co sponsored the Epstein Files Transparency Act,
said that he's looking for specific documents that still haven't
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been released. Quote, there's a draft indictment of the first
Jeffrey Epstein case that really implicates other rich and powerful
men who knew about the abuse or participated in it.
That indictment should be released. He also mentioned witness interviews
between the FBI and other people who were accused of
being at Jeffrey Epstein's rape Island or going to parties
where there were sixteen and seventeen year old girls being
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paraded around. Those interviews haven't been released either, and highly relevant.
Let's talk about everyone's favorite disgraced royal. This batch also
included what appeared to be email exchanges between Prince Andrew
and Jelainne Maxwell. An email from an address labeled the
Invisible Man subtle to Maxwell reads, I am up here
at Balmoral summer camp for the royal family. How's la?
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Have you found me some new inappropriate friends? Inappropriate friends?
He literally typed those words and sent them into an
email gross. The email continues he wanted Maxwell to let
him know when she's coming over because he's free for
a week and wants to go somewhere hot and sunny
with some fun people. Maxwell responded, I have only been
able to find appropriate friends. We'll let you know about
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some church meetings on those dates. I don't know what
church meetings was code for, but I'm confident it wasn't
actual church meetings. Virginia Guffrey, one of Epstein's victims, alleged
that Epstein and Maxwell trafficked her to Prince Andrew when
she was just seventeen. Andrew denied everything, but settled a
civil lawsuit by making a substantial donation to her charity,
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which is definitely what innocent people do. Guphrey died by
suicide this past April. There's also a two thousand and
one police report from Palm Beach in these documents that's
maddening to read. Four years before Epstein was officially investigated,
local police got a tip that Maxwell was recruiting young
women from a nearby college. She was telling them that
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she needed young, beautiful, unmarried women to answer phones and
do office work, paid two hundred dollars a day. One
student who went to the house reported that the phone
calls coming in were men calling to say when they
were going to drop off particular girls. Multiple students said
Maxwell and Epstein were secretive about what was happening. At
least two complained about Epstein touching them inappropriately through the
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trash and found listings for massage services in New York,
lists of females with ages, physical descriptions, and what they do.
The investigation was closed and their final report reads, no
illegal activity has been reported or detected. They had reports
of inappropriate touching, they had phone logs about dropping off girls,
they had lists of women with descriptions of services, and
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then they closed the investigation. Four years later, in two
thousand and five, the family of a fourteen year old
girl finally launched the investigation that led to Epstein's sweetheart deal.
Back in two thousand and seven, he served thirteen months
in County jail with work release privileges, which if you've
read about his work release and how he was able
just to continue on with his life, it will make
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you want to scream. How many victims in those four years,
how many lives were destroyed because someone decided that there
was just nothing to see there. I've decided that at
the end of every Red, White, and Brews episode, I'm
going to give my thoughts on the news, my pure,
unfiltered thoughts, and I want to clothes with something on
this one that's kind of been eating at me through
all of this. You know what you're not going to
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see in the epscene files in a predatory capacity, immigrants
and refugees, you know, the people that they are training
you to hate. You're not going to find undocumented workers
on those flight logs and a predatory capacity. You're not
going to see asylum seekers at those parties. The people
trafficking children to private islands aren't crossing the border on
foot with everything they own in a fucking backpack. You
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know who is in these files? The ruling elite, presidents, princes, billionaires,
the people who own companies, who fund the campaigns, who
write the laws, who set the policies, the people responsible
for managing the world that we live in. The victims.
They're your children, working class kids, vulnerable kids, kids from
families without power, without connections, without the resources to fight back.
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Have you seen the interviews with the girls in Florida
and Palm Beach. That's who these people pray on. That's
who they've always prayed on. The people making your life
life harder, the ones raising your bills, cutting your wages,
eliminating your health care pricing you out of your housing,
pricing you out of your fucking education. It's not your
next door neighbor. It's not the immigrant who just made
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it to your community. It's not the single mom working
double shifts, doing her absolute damnedest to get her children fed, clothed,
in schooled. It's not the nuclear family with two kids
and a dog trying to make ends meet the best
that they can. It's not the college student working with
three jobs while surviving on food stamps. It is the elite,
and it has always been the elite. They don't care
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about you. They don't care about your family, your community,
your struggles, your dreams. You are a line item to them.
You are labor to be extracted and discarded. You're a
consumer to be manipulated. You're a voter to be managed.
They only care about their income, their bottom line, their
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access to power and pleasure without consequence. And we are
just fuel for that machine. And I'm gonna say this
with my whole fucking chest. The real divide in this
country is not red versus blue. It's not conservative versus liberal.
It's not urban versus rural. It's not religious versus secular.
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It's not Republican versus democrat. Those are the divisions that
they want you focused on, because as long as we
are fighting each other, we are not looking up. The
real divide here is the one percent versus everything and
everyone else. The people in those flight logs versus the
rest of us who will never see that kind of
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wealth or power in our lifetimes, probably even over multiple
lifetimes if we had them. The people who can afford
to make problems disappear versus the people who are the
problems that they are disappearing. Wake the fuck up, everyone.
I've been thinking about this for so long, and yesterday
I was scrolling on TikTok and I saw another content
creator and he was like, start punching up, start punching up. Yes,
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until we discover our collective power, until we stop letting
them divide us into manageable little tribes that hate each
other more than we hate the systems exploiting all of us.
They win, They keep winning. They've been winning at this
for decades. The only thing they're actually afraid of is
realizing that we have more in common with each other
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than we do with them. You have more in common
with Kleidas in the mountains of West Virginia living on
fifty dollars a fucking month than you do with Donald Trump,
up jd Vance, any of the others. That is a fact,
you guys, that is a fact. How many paychecks are
you away from losing your home if you lost your
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job with no safety net. Let's say you're divorced or
single mother, you work two jobs, you have two kids,
you get cancer, you have low quality, high deductible insurance.
Who do you think you have more in common with
Kleidas or a multi billionaire Cleidus or Jeff Bezos. I
will say this a the only thing they are actually
afraid of is us realizing that we have more in
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common with each other than we do with them. That
is the nightmare scenario for the ruling class. A unified
populace that sees through the bullshit and starts demanding accountability
from the top down. Can I profess to understand how
someone could look at Donald Trump and say that's a leader,
or that's a good person help, or that's a smart person.
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Absolutely fucking not. Do I find their beliefs abhorrent and
reprehensible and disgusting, absolute fucking lutely. But guys, you and
I we all have more in common with them than
we do with JD. Vance, Donald Trump, and anybody as well,
Nancy Pelosi, any of them, either party, either side. Millions
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of people are about to lose their health care. That's
a fact. That is a fact. Millions of people are
losing their health care. Also, Trump just announced that he's
going to start garnishing the wages of students who are
defaulted on their student loans. And guess what. Guess one
person who has defaulted previously on student loans me. I
got laid off. I lost my job, I lost my
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health insurance, I couldn't pay for my mortgage, I could
barely keep electricity on. I immediately burned through my savings, and
then I defaulted on my student loans because I couldn't
pay them. It was getting laid off from a one
hundred and fifty k annual salary, still having the bills,
the student loans, the credit cards, the mortgage, you know, electricity, heat,
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all of that plus student loans. Obviously, my student loans
are put on the back burner. Luckily, that time period
in my life did not last long. But it happens
to the best of us, and it happens, and it's
sometimes out of control, and I'm so fucking disgusted and
tired of seeing all of the comments, always from Republicans.
They're like, well, don't take out loans if you can't
pay them back. You knew that you had to pay
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them back. You knew that you had to pay them back.
What kind of society do we want to live in?
And it makes my blood boil, It makes my absolute
blood boil. I have worked almost every day since I
was fourteen years old. Through no fault of my own,
I get laid off from a professional job. But fuck me,
I guess right, like, I don't want a society like that,
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you know, and I understand the need for loans and
all of this other shit, But what do you think
is going to happen. We've had record layoffs over this
last year, record record layoffs in the federal government. Have
you guys tried finding a job on LinkedIn or indeed
or anywhere? Thousands and thousands and thousands of applications for
even the smallest of role People are about to lose
all of their health care, and then on top of that,
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they're going to start garnishing the wages of the people
who are remaining, and we just went to war with
another country because we can afford that. We can afford
to give Argentina twenty billion dollars for their economic crisis.
We can afford to give Israel a fuck ton of money,
as we always have, but we cannot help American citizens who,
through no fault of their own, due to economic crisis here,
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get laid off. We can't give them a little bit
of help. We couldn't even keep our government open, but
we gave Argentina twenty billion dollars of US tax para money.
Shit is bleak, you guys, and my only hope, my
only hope because our country is so divided into right
versus left, right versus left. I see all my Democrat friends.
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You know, they're kind of fifty to fifty split on
fuck Trumper's. We should never allow them back there. You know,
they should wear a scarlet letter for the rest of
their lives to others who are no like you know,
they're finally getting it, they're understanding it. We need to
support them. You have Trump supporters who are now leaving
MAGA in droves because his behavior recently over the last
several months has just been absolutely unhinged. Plus now the
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Epstein Files, there are finally a lot of people seeing
the light. And I'm not gonna lie. I've been struggling
because where I've been approaching this is Guys, the first
day he came down the elevator talking about bad ombres,
when he mocked a disabled reporter, that should have been
the nail in his fucking casket. Do I think that
people who continue to actively support him now are bad people?
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Not necessarily, but they're certainly not fucking making a good
case for themselves after everything that he's said and done.
The way he treats female report I'm not even gonna
go through the list because they know they just don't
care because he hates the same people that they do.
Whether it's black people, brown people, trans people, women, it
doesn't matter. But the only positive that I'm seeing right
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now is that there is a degree of class consciousness happening.
And if that is born out of the Epstein Files,
and if this is revolutionary for our government or our society,
then I guess I will take it. That is something
that I have seen a lot of is actual hard
red maga coming out and being like, what the fuck Trump?
Is evil and it's a whole class system against us.
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That is the way, guys, because that is the truth.
That is the way. Because that is the truth, the
files will keep coming, the redactions will keep pissing us off.
The powerful and those in charge will continue to try
to control the narrative. Our job is to pay attention anyway.
I'm obviously going to keep covering this as more information emerges,
but I want you to remember that this isn't just
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about who visited an island. This is about a protection
racket for the most powerful people on the planet. We
have a system that has allowed predators in both parties
to operate with impunity for decades, while law enforcement looked
the other way or actively participated in the cover up.
We're seeing fragments here, guys, redacted fragments, and still even
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through the black bars and the missing pages, the picture
is beyond damning. Imagine what they're still hiding. We're not
even through the tip tip tip on top of the iceberg.
But that's it for today, guys. Thank you for listening,
thanks for paying attention, and thank you for giving a
damn take care of yourselves. I hope you guys have
a wonderful, mir I am looking forward to a quiet
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night in with my wife and a Sharcucci board. I
am a hoe for sharkcootery, so I'm looking forward to that.
But again, I hope you guys had a wonderful Christmas,
whatever holiday you celebrate, a wonderful New Year. There will
be a Patreon only episode coming out in the next
couple days, and likely one more episode of the podcast
before the end of the year. Again, if you're digging
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