Red, White & Bruised: Season's Greetings! The Epstein Files: Now with 100% Less Trump | The Brown University Shooting - We Saw the Devil: A True Crime Podcast

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Sunny spaces, smiling faces, happy places. But every sunny space
holds a shadow. Behind every smile, our sharp teeth, and
every happy place has something sinister lurking just below the surface.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to We Saw the Devil, the podcast diving deep
into the chilling realms of true crime. Join your host
Robin as she unravels mysteries that have left investigators baffled
and armchair sleuth's obsessed. Be forewarned, Dear listener, We Saw
the Devil is not for the faint of heart. Our
unflinching exploration will take you to the darkest corners of

(00:41):
the psyche, and through the unimaginable depths of human darkness,
to unearthed stark secrets, to the harsh light of day.
Nothing will be left untouched.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Are you ready? Are you sure?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
We Saw the Devil?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Direct? The Trump administration is the most transparent in history.
That was the White House tonight, patting themselves in the
back for partially complying with a law that required them
to release all of the Epstein files by today. It
is now for the record, as I'm recording this eleven
twenty eight pm on Friday, December nineteenth. Not some not

(01:22):
several hundred thousand all of the files, but sure most
transparent in history. Just ignore the one hundred and nineteen
pages that were completely blacked out and redacted. Ignore the
rolling release schedule that conveniently just lets them control what
comes out and win. Ignore the fact that Trump is
noticeably absent from a file dump but that's absolutely shit

(01:44):
stuffed with Bill Clinton photos. And ignore the search function
that doesn't actually work. Nothing to see here, folks. Welcome
to Red White and Bruce, the show where I basically
get baked and then yell about politics until I feel
either slightly better or signific worse. I'm Robin and let's go.
But before we dive in, two things. First, I want

(02:06):
to say something really quickly. One thing that I'm genuinely
thankful for this holiday season is you guys. When I
started covering politics on this show, I debated it for
a long time. To be honest, I mean, as I've
discussed on this podcast previously. I'm a polyscide major. I
got into law school politics has It's always been one

(02:26):
of the issues. Dear to my heart, I am obsessed.
The first podcast that I did was back in the
round two thousand and five, and it was all horror,
and I covered horror movies and that really taught me
a lot. I had a lot of listeners. I was
sponsored by Fear and that a channel back in the day,
and it really made me fall in love with podcasting
and meeting people and making friends. And I made a

(02:48):
lot of friends from that. I wanted to start podcasting
again back in twenty seventeen and decided to resurrect All Horror.
My co host at the time realized that we had
wildly different interests and it wasn't going to work out.
We were about to quit, and then the Lori Valo case,
and my co host at the time was like, Hey,
this is wild. Do you want to talk about it?
And I was like sure, and then we saw the Devil.

(03:09):
As you know, it was born. I've always been the
primary The cast and co host changed, people come and go, people,
guest spot. The podcast was that its height, like twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty, and then covid hit. And unfortunately at its
height when covid hit, I was podcasting full time. And
when covid hit, I lost both of my parents. I

(03:31):
had to put a pause on the podcast, move across
the country, you know, all of that stuff everyone's aware of.
I was in a physically abusive relationship as well at
the time, and I was not in a good place.
And to be perfectly honest with you, you know, when
I finally started doing episodes again, and on one episode,
I closed out with make sure wash your hands, you know,
if you go out, wear a mask, and da da

(03:51):
da da da, And you could have sworn that I
pissed on Jesus's too. With the level of hate that
I got, I'm talking about dozens of death threats, dozens
of your stupid so glad your parents are dead your
pardon my language, I know that's a slur. Retarded for
believing this, and da da da dah. Like it was

(04:12):
a lot. It was a lot, and I at that
time was not mentally equipped, you know, dealing with loss
and a move and all this stuff, was not mentally
equipped to like add ten hours a day of podcast
work on top of it. So I, honestly, at the
height of this podcast kind of walked away and I
needed a break, and I took almost a year break.

(04:33):
I barely kept it alive, but I took almost a
year break, and then I come back and I've tried
to walk a very, very middle ground the entire time
I've been podcasting. You know, it's that don't isolate your
listener base. You need to appeal and don't talk about
religion or politics and X, Y and Z. Since last year,
I've been watching the country that I love be destroyed.

(04:56):
I'm seeing policies impact friends and loved one that are horrible.
You know, is my marriage going to be an either
invalidated or Looking at favorability ratings of LGBT community in
this country, it's swiftly moving down. Then I look at
my fellow Democrats and Liberals and half of them are

(05:17):
acting like fools. I was exploding inside and I wanted
to talk about it, and so I actually debated covering
politics on this podcast for a long time. I've just
been so pissed off and upset about what's happening in
the country that I couldn't not talk about it anymore.
And I went into this knowing that it was probably
going to ruin my podcast, and honestly, I'm fine with that,

(05:39):
and I'm going to be completely honest. The listener base
has suffered. I'm finding new people now, But did I
lose a lot of listeners, yes, but honestly, I would
rather be my actual, authentic self and not be performative
just to have what someone listened to me. No, no, no, no, no,
not anymore, not any more. In short, which apparently is

(06:02):
not that short, because I've been rambling for a bit now,
I just kind of wanted to thank you, guys, especially
those of you who are new here. To those of you, God,
I still have listeners who've listened to me since two
thousand and five, and to those God bless you, thank
you for listening. And then also those who have stuck through,
or also those who don't agree with me politically but

(06:23):
still are curious about my perspective and thoughts on world events.
Thank you so much. It really does mean something to me, genuinely,
and I look forward to more episodes in the future
and talking to you and getting to know all of you,
creating our own little village. But enough of me emoting.
I'm not someone who outwardly emotes a lot, so that

(06:44):
was very interesting, but I did want to say thank you,
and that's enough with the sincerity, I guess let's continue on.
Heads up also, guys, and apologies beforehand, but my allergies
have been wrecking me for about a week and a half.
I don't even have allergies, but since I've moved here,
I do. I feel like I'm the female version of
Tom Waits right now, I don't know, but please bear

(07:06):
with me. It will be resolved soon, I hope. And lastly,
before we kick off housekeeping, if you're not following the
show on Instagram, please do so, like, share, interact. You
can do that at. We saw the Devil podcast, Facebook
and twitter at, we saw the Devil Patreon, we saw
the Devil and website. Obviously, we saw the deevil dot com. Okay,

(07:28):
thank you, all right, So today we have two big
stories and the first is going to be the Epstein files,
or I guess rather the DOJ's creative interpretation of the
word all because I don't think that word means what
they think it means. And then also I want to
touch on the Brown University shooter because he was found
dead last night after a week long manhunt. So without

(07:51):
further ado, let's get into it. So today was the day,
December nineteenth, twenty twenty five, the legal deadline for the
Department of Justice to release all of the Jeffrey Epstein
files under the Epstein Files Transparency Act. That's the law
that passed with overwhelming bipartisan support and was signed by

(08:11):
Donald Trump himself last month. The law was very clear,
it was not ambiguous, not open to interpretation. It required
the Attorney General to release all unclassified records, documents, communications,
and investigative materials within thirty days in a searchable and
downloadable format. All searchable and downloadable. Pretty straightforward, right, what

(08:34):
do we actually get? Todd Blanche, the Deputy Attorney General,
who by the way, used to be Trump's personal defense lawyer,
because that tracks. He went on Fox News this morning
and said the DOJ would release several hundred thousand documents today,
with more coming over the next couple of weeks. Now,
the law didn't say release some of the files. It

(08:56):
didn't say release them when it's convenient. It said all
of them by two day. And here's the kicker. There's
no enforcement mechanism. The law has no teeth. If lawmakers
argue the redactions are improper or the deadline wasn't meant,
there's no punishment, no consequences, nothing. It's a law without
a stick, which means it's really more of just kind

(09:16):
of like a polite suggestion, So that didn't happen. And
then what about the searchable requirement, Well, the DOJ posted
files at Justice dot gov forward slash Epstein thousands of pages,
over thirty five hundred files, more than two point five
gigs of material, and that search function doesn't work. NBC

(09:37):
News tried searching for Epstein and Maxwell in the database.
No matches on a database of Epstein files. The law
specifically required a searchable and downloadable format. They got the
downloadable part, the searchable part not so much.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
So.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
You can download two point five gigs of files, but
you can't actually search them. You just have to read everything. Man,
Good luck journalists. Thomas Massey, the Republican congressman who led
the charge to get the bill passed in the first place,
posted an image of the law on X with two
things highlighted not later than thirty days and then the

(10:13):
word all that's it. That's the tweak, because I mean,
what else is there to say here? Massey also said
something important before the release. He spoke with lawyers for
Epstein's victims, who told him that there are at least
twenty names of men who were accused of sex crimes
in possession of the FBI. So Massey's test was simple.

(10:34):
If we get a large production on December nineteenth, and
it does not contain a single name of any male
who's accused of a sex crime or sex trafficking, or
rape or any of these things, then we know they
haven't produced all the documents. I mean, it's that simple.
That's a direct quote from him. By the way, based
on what we've seen so far, not a single name

(10:55):
of any male accused of sex crimes has emerged from
this release, So draw your own conclusions there. Blanche sent
a letter to Congress today explaining how they review the documents.
He said, one hundred and eighty seven attorneys review the files,
plus a quality control team of over twenty five lawyers.
They found over twelve hundred names of individuals identified as

(11:17):
either victims or their relatives, all of which were redacted.
Direct quote. Protecting victims is of the highest priority for
President Trump, the Attorney General, the FBI, and the Department
of Justice, Blanche wrote, But then he admitted that the
final stages of review of some material remain ongoing.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Quote.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
I anticipate this ongoing review being completed over the next
two weeks, two weeks after a law gave them thirty days,
which they've had since November nineteen. When asked by ABC
News whether the delay had anything to do with Trump,
Blanche denied it. He said, there's no effort to hold
anything back because there is the name Donald J. Trump
in the files. He said, there's been no order to

(11:58):
redact names of high profile indoss. I would give the order,
he said, I know that. Okay, Todd, We'll take your
word for it. You the guy who was Trump's personal
criminal defense lawyer until just recently. Totally no conflict of
interest there. So let's talk about what actually did get released. Then,
the DOJ posted four categories of files, court records, DOJ disclosures,

(12:22):
Foyer materials that's Freedom of Information Act and House Oversight
Committee disclosures. More than fifty court cases are listed, including
the federal criminal cases against Epstein, the state cases in Florida,
in civil cases like the Virginia Guffrey lawsuit. And I'm
going to go through some of the items that are
in the files. Transcripts of Julane Maxwell's July interviews with

(12:42):
Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche surveillance video clips from the
prison where Epstein killed himself in twenty nineteen, flight logs,
court records, telephone records. Although those have been heavily redacted,
you can't see who was calling whom. There are also
case files from the Beach Police Department, which opened the
initial investigation into Epstein back in two thousand and five.

(13:05):
That pro began when they received a call from the
mother of a fourteen year old girl who said her
daughter was having sex with an adult who lived in
a mansion in Palm Beach. That teen told police about
other victims, who told detectives about more victims. And then
there's that nineteen ninety six FBI complaint from nearly thirty
years ago where someone reported that Epstein stole photos of

(13:26):
her twelve and sixteen year old sisters, asked her to
photograph young girls at swimming pools, and then threatened to
burn her house down if she told anyone. That complaint
was filed more than eight years before law enforcement actually
investigated Epstein. Eight years. The FBI had a tip in
nineteen ninety six, and they didn't investigate until two thousand

(13:46):
and four. Maria Farmer, who filed that nineteen ninety six complaint.
Released a statement today. She said She's waited three decades,
over half my life for this moment. When I was
ignored and hung up on by the FN in nineteen
ninety six, my world turned upside down and I felt
frozen in time. I faced death threats, ridicule, and mockery

(14:08):
by some of the most powerful people on earth. She
became the first woman to file a criminal complaint against Epstein.
She was twenty six years old. She's now in her fifties,
still waiting for justice. But then there are the photos.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Y'all.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Bill Clinton is everywhere in this release, and I'm honestly
not surprised. I mean, first of all, are any of
his surprise that Clinton was there? We knew that he was.
Bill Clinton is absolutely everywhere. There's a photo of him
in a hot tub alongside someone whose face has been redacted.
There's no indication of that person's gender or age, just

(14:43):
Clinton in a hot tub with a mystery person. There's
Clinton standing next to Epstein, both wearing what appeared to
be silk shirts, looking at something off camera, no context.
There's Clinton on an airplane with Michael Jackson and Diana Ross.
There's Clinton at an event with Micky Jagger and someone
whose face is redacted standing between them. There's Clinton picture

(15:04):
with Kevin Spacey and a group of other men. Multiple
photos showing Clinton with women whose identities have been redacted.
There's also numerous photos of Epstein and Maxwell on what
appear to be trips or vacations with various people. Some
photos are graphic in nature and have been redacted. There's
a photo of Michael Jackson with Epstein. Jackson's wearing sunglasses

(15:25):
and a suit jacket with Epstein and a zip up puddy.
You know who's notably not all over this release, Donald Trump.
The Daily Beasts put it pretty bluntly. Trump's doj dumps
suspiciously Clinton filled Epstein files. Now Trump is in the files,
sort of. There's a photo of Epstein holding a novelty

(15:46):
check for twenty two thousand dollars that appears to bear
Trump's signature. The picture is in a frame that says
once in a Blue Moon. The check appears to be
from that infamous birthday book Maxwell assembled for Epstein's fiftieth birthday,
the one that included a message from a mar A
Lago member joking about selling a fully depreciated woman to

(16:07):
Trump for twenty two thousand dollars. And then there are
photos showing framed pictures on a desk, including a previously
released shot of Trump, Milania, Epstein, and Maxwell. But these
are pictures of photos, not new photos of Trump with Epstein.
The contrast is start here. Clinton gets photo after photo
after photo, full frames, clear images. Trump gets a background

(16:29):
cameo in a picture on a desk. Bill Clinton actually
did respond tonight, though, and honestly his statement was sharp.
His press secretary said, the White House hasn't been hiding
these files for months, only to dump them late on
a Friday. This is about shielding themselves from what comes next,
or from what they'll try and hide forever so they

(16:50):
can release as many grainy, twenty plus year old photos
as they want. But this isn't about Bill Clinton, never has,
never will be. And then the kill shot guys quote
even Susie Wiles said Donald Trump was wrong about Bill Clinton.
He's referencing that Vanity Fair interview from this week, where
Trump's own chief of staff confirmed that Trump's repeated claims

(17:11):
about the Epstein files incriminating Clinton were incorrect. Clinton's statement
laid it out quote. There are two types of people here.
The first group knew nothing and cut Epstein off before
his crimes came to light. The second group continued relationships
with him after we're in the first No amount of
stalling by people in the second group will change that. Everyone,

(17:31):
especially MAGA, expects answers, not scapegoats. And let me be
clear once again, Bill Clinton absolutely maintained a relationship with
Epstein for years. He took multiple trips on Epstein's private plane.
The flight Long showed twenty six flight legs that included
Clinton between the late nineties and two thousand and three.

(17:52):
Julane Maxwell, Epstein's convicted co conspirator, was at Chelsea Clinton's
wedding in twenty ten, two years after Epstein pleaded guilty
to procuring a child for prostitution. So Clinton is not
clean here, but he's never been formally accused of wrongdoing.
And the Clintons have been called to testify before the

(18:13):
House Oversight Committee. Their depositions were supposed to be this
week but got pushed to January. You know who hasn't
been called to testify, Donald Trump, the guy who said
Epstein was a terrific guy who likes beautiful women as
much as I do, and many of them are on
the younger side. The guy who is photographed with Epstein
repeatedly throughout the nineties and two thousands. The guy whose

(18:34):
administration is now controlling what gets released and what stays buried.
He's not being asked to testify about his relationship with
a notorious sex trafficker. But the Clintons are the political
responses to all of this today came swiftly. Representative Rocanna,
who co authored the transparency law with Republican Massey, called

(18:54):
the release disappointing. Quote. I have to say that the
release has been disappointing from the initial I'll read of it,
Kanna said in a video call with reporters. Officials of
the Justice Department have not been transparent. He calls for
Blanche or Pambondi to get in front of the country
to share the timeline for the four lease, to share
the explanations of the redactions, and to let the country

(19:16):
know what they can expect. Senator Dick Durbin and other
Senate Judiciary Committee democrats released a statement accusing the DOJ
of failing to comply with the law.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Quote.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
The Justice Department's failure to fully comply with the Epstein
Files Transparency Act not only violates the law, it continues
this administration's pattern of protecting President Trump and other perpetrators
and perpetuating the ongoing Bondi Patel cover up at the
expense of Epstein's survivors like Damn Dick. Senate Minority Leader

(19:47):
Chuck Schumer pointed to a specific one hundred and nineteen
page document that was completely blacked out, all one hundred
and nineteen pages, nothing but black quote. Simply releasing a
mountain of blacked out pages violates the spirit of transparency
and the letter of the law. This is nothing more
than a cover up to protect Donald Trump from his

(20:09):
ugly past. Representatives Jamie Raskin and Robert Garcia, the top
Democrats and the Judiciary and Oversight Committees, said that they
are examining all legal options to compel full release. Their
statement was blistering. Donald Trump and the Department of Justice
are now violating federal law as they continue covering up
the facts and the evidence about Jeffrey Epstein's decades long,

(20:31):
billion dollar international sex trafficking ring. They also noted that
the dj is giving star treatment to Epstein's convicted co
conspirator Julane Maxwell, a reference to reports that Maxwell is
seeking a commutation from Trump and that's probably gonna happen. Meanwhile,
Trump is taking a fucking victory lab quote. The Trump

(20:51):
administration is the most transparent in history. White House spokeswoman
Abigail Jackson said, like gag me with a spoon. I
seeing thousands of pages of documents, cooperating with the House
Oversight Committee subpoena requests, and President Trump recently calling for
further investigations into Epstein's Democrat friends. The Trump administration has
done more for the victims than Democrats ever have more

(21:15):
for victims by putting this off, obviously, scraping them clean,
releasing files with a broken search function so journalists and
people can't search them, missing the deadline, by redacting one
hundred and nineteen plus pages. That's just one example, one
hundred nineteen full pages a whole document into solid black,
ensuring Clinton's face is absolutely everywhere, in Trump's is nowhere.

(21:39):
And all of this goes against hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of first hand accounts from other people, witnesses, lawsuits.
The whole bit very helpful, very transparent. The pulling on
all of this is devastating for Trump. By the way,
a survey from earlier this month found that seventy percent
of Americans seventy percent of the Trump administration is trying

(22:01):
to conceal the exact details surrounding the Epstein case. And
that's including the identities of associates who may have been
complicit in these crimes. Seven in ten Americans think Trump
is hiding something in the way that this release was handled.
Of Friday Dump heavy redactions, broken search, rolling schedule, Clinton,
heavy photo selection. It's not going to make that number

(22:23):
go down. And one final thing before we move on
to the brown shooter. The law allows the DOJ to
withhold documents related to active federal investigations. And remember what
Trump did in November. He ordered the DOJ to open
investigations into Clinton, Larry Summers, Reid Hoffman, and JP Morgan executives.
Do you guys remember that because those investigations are legally active.

(22:48):
Because those investigations are legally active, the DOJ can argue
that materials related to those people fall under that exemption.
So Trump orders investigations in a Democrats, Those investigations become
the justification for withholding documents about Democrats, and meanwhile documents
about Trump just just magically aren't there. Congressman Conna said

(23:11):
that there are options to push for more additional testimony
from survivors, lawsuits, even impeachment or criminal referrals if the
government doesn't comply. He said, my interest is not punitive
against Pam Bondi or the Deputy Attorney general or Trump.
I just want the documents. But as Courtney Benski, one
of Epstein's survivors, said tonight, when asked if she felt

(23:33):
the release, you know, if the release felt like justice,
she said, justice is a hard word for me to
find because the website is very hard to search. I
know that I'm looking for specific things. I know all
the other survivors are out there looking for things too.
She was trying to find the name of an FBI
agent she spoke with in twenty nineteen. The broken search

(23:53):
function made it impossible. It does feel a bit incomplete
at this point to make that call, she said, incomplete,
that's one word for it. But I will be providing
updates and going through any of the big happenings or
findings in the Epstein document dump I'm going to be
completely honest if you want my opinion, which means absolutely nothing.
I think that Trump has been and is being actively scrubbed,

(24:15):
entirely clean from this, and I think that he is
going to win. And I do not believe that anything
is going to come of this. I think it will
just dissipate like a fart into the wind. Is that disgusting? Yes?
Is that surprising? No? If you want my honest opinion,
I think that we do not have any safety nets
in place now at this point. I think we are
past the point of no return and it's just going
to be a ride from here on out. But let's

(24:38):
shift to a story that's been developing all week, and
it came to a grim conclusion last night. Claudio Manuel
Nevez Valente, the forty eight year old suspect in the
Brown University mass shooting and the murder of the MIT professor.
He was found dead in a storage unit in Salem,
New Hampshire, on Thursday night. He died of a self
inflicted gunshot wound. Autopsy released Friday indicates he died on Tuesday,

(25:03):
two days before police found him, meaning he took his
own life the day after killing Professor Lrero, and let
me walk you through what we know, because it's very bizarre.
On Saturday, December thirteenth, during final exams, a gunman entered
the Barris and Holly Engineering and Physics Building at Brown University.
He came in through a rear entrance, descended the stairs

(25:23):
into an auditorium, and opened fire on students who were
in a study session. Two students were killed, nine were wounded.
Two days later, on Monday, December fifteenth, n Professor Nunou Lrero,
a forty seven year old Portuguese physicist, was shot and
killed at his home in Brookline, Massachusetts. For days, investigators
weren't sure if the two crimes were connected. Then a

(25:45):
rental car tied it all together. And here's how they
caught him, or I guess, more accurately, how they figured
out who he was. A tipster identified in court documents
only as John noticed something suspicious before the Brown shooting.
He encountered a man in the bathroom of the Barrison
Holly building who seemed out of place, like his clothing
was super inadequate for the weather because it's really cold there.

(26:08):
John followed the man outside and watched him approach a
gray Nissan with Florida plates. What followed was what John
described as a game of cat and mouse. He and
the suspect kept encountering each other as the man walked
around the block repeatedly. Eventually, John confronted him again, asking
why he was circling back. The suspect responded, and then
John walked away. After the shooting, John went on Reddit

(26:31):
and posted that police should look into a gray Nissan
with Florida plates, possibly a rental. That tip quote blew
this case right open, according to Rhode Island Attorney General
Peter Narna, Please trace that car to an Almo rent
a car location in Boston. Surveillance footage showed the suspect
renting the car on December first, nearly two weeks before

(26:52):
the shooting. License plate readers placed the vehicle in the
area around Brown from December first through December twelfth. The
suspect had been casing the campus for almost two weeks.
He changed his license plates, switching between Florida and Maine.
To make himself harder to track. He used European SIM
cards for cell service and avoided credit cards in his

(27:12):
own name, making it nearly impossible to track his location.
In real time. This was methodical, it was planned. He
was patient. Both Neves Valente and Lrero studied at the
Instituto Superior Technico and the Lisbon Portugal in the nineties.
They were in the same physics program at the same time.

(27:32):
Investigators believe they knew each other, that they had studied
together in Lisbon between nineteen ninety five and two thousand.
Investigators believe Lrero was specifically targeted that FBI said Nevez
Valente drove from Rhode Island to Massachusetts after the Brown
shooting and then murdered the professor at his home, But
the students at Brown investigators don't believe they were specific targets.

(27:54):
They were just there in a building he associated with
his own failure. I went on to become a renowned
physicist at MIT. Nevez Valente came to the US in
two thousand to pursue a PhD in physics at Brown,
but he dropped out. He took a leave of absence
in two thousand and one and then formally withdrew in
two thousand and three, apparently spending the next two decades

(28:16):
just drifting. He became a lawful permanent resident in twenty
seventeen through the diversity visa lottery program. His last known
address was in Miami, and then last month he ran
into a car in Boston and drove to Providence. He
spent two weeks watching the campus where his academic career
had collapsed, and then he walked into a building where
he used to take classes, the same building listed on

(28:39):
his twenty seventeen visa application, and started shooting. The ATF
called him a highly dangerous individual capable of extreme violence.
The FBI said, even with the suspect dead, our work
is not done. Investigators said they're not aware of any
anti Semitic motivation. They don't believe that there were additional
planned attacks, and they think that he acted alone. What

(29:00):
they don't know, and what no one knows, is why
why now? Why Brown? Because you went there? Why did
a forty eight year old man with a two decade
old grudge suddenly decide to start killing people? Homeland Security secretary,
because of course this is relevant. Christy Nome has already
started using the shooting to push policy. She announced that

(29:22):
Trump is directing her to pause the diversity visa lottery program.
You know, the program that through which Neves Valente came
to the US and look like I get the instinct
something terrible happened. Someone wants to do something. But the
diversity of visa lottery isn't a shortcut. Winners still go
through a lengthy application process. They submit criminal records, they're

(29:43):
interviewed at embassies. They have to have a high school
diploma or work experience. Nev's Valente passed all those checks.
He became a lawful permanent resident in twenty seventeen. He
lived here legally for eight years before he snapped. I mean,
what policy would have stopped a man with a grudge.
I don't think anybody could answer that. But using this
tragedy to score political points on immigration just feels deeply gross.

(30:08):
The students who were killed, their names haven't been widely
released yet out of respect for their families, but we
know that they were obviously young, they were setting for finals,
They had lives ahead of them. Professor Lurero was described
as brilliant and beloved. He had a family, he had
colleagues who admired him. He was building something, and they
are all now gone because of a twenty five year

(30:29):
old grudge. Horrific. So that's where we're at the Epstein
Finals are being slow walked by people who have every
reason to keep certain names buried. The law says all.
They heard some and eventually maybe the survivors who've been
waiting for decades are apparently going to wait a little
bit longer and as per usual. I mean, I'm not surprised.

(30:52):
The powerful are going to stay protected, same as it
ever was. Like I mentioned, Bill Clinton's plastered all over
the release, though Trump's basically a background extra search function
doesn't work. One hundred and nineteen pages blacked out, and
seventy percent of Americans still think that something's being hidden
because it is obviously and there's really nothing that we

(31:12):
can really truly do about it. Then we had a
man with a twenty five year old grudge who snapped
and ended three lives. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Honika,
Mary Kwanza. In any case, y'all, I'm Robin. This has
been Red White and Bruce courtesy if We Saw the Devil.
Thank you again as always for listening. If you enjoyed

(31:33):
this episode, please follow on Instagram. You can do that
at We Saw the Devil podcast. That's the main social channel.
There's also a Facebook and a Twitter. You can find
those that we Sell the Devil. You can throw some
cash at the show at Patreon, get ad free episodes
things like that we Saw the Devil, or just website
at we sell thedevil dot com. Don't let the bastards

(31:53):
grind you down, Guys, you're probably too exhausted preparing for Christmas, kids, shopping,
family visits, travel. We'll all be good next year. I'll
definitely have another episode coming before Christmas. But take it easy, guys.
Stay safe. Most importantly, stay hydrated until next time.

All Episodes

Red, White & Bruised: Season's Greetings! The Epstein Files: Now with 100% Less Trump | The Brown University Shooting

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

The Burden

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Red, White & Bruised: Season's Greetings! The Epstein Files: Now with 100% Less Trump | The Brown University Shooting