November 22, 2025 • 44 mins
This week on Red, White & Bruised: Trump amplifies calls to hang Democratic lawmakers, then hosts NYC's socialist mayor-elect for an Oval Office love-fest. Marjorie Taylor Greene rage-quits Congress after Trump brands her a "traitor." Federal workers face loyalty oaths. The Coast Guard downgrades swastikas to "potentially divisive." Nursing degrees stripped of professional status. And Trump finally signs the Epstein Files Transparency Act after months of obstruction. Robin breaks down the chaos.
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every happy place has something sinister lurking just below the surface.
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Hello everyone, You are listening to Red White and Bruce
courtesy of We Saw the Devil. I am your host, Robin,
and I am here to talk about the insane happenings
in the world that is us politics. What a doozy
of a week it has been. I am so serious.
We have so much to cover in this episode, and
I probably won't even be able to cover all of
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the topics that I really want to. It has been
absolutely insane. But how are you guys doing? Does anyone
else feel as though time is just dragging but simultaneously flying.
I really don't know how to articulate it, other than
every single day just seems to drag. It seems so
redundant and repetitive. And then suddenly it's like the realization
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that three weeks have passed since you actually last recalled.
You know what I mean. I don't know. It's just
we are on a very odd timeline right now. It
is just so strange and bizarre. And I'm sure some
of that is getting into the winter in a new season,
season change and all of that daylight saving time saving time,
But man, anybody else feeling it? It has been a
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very long week. I am absolutely exhausted, and I've also
been pretty sick this week as well. So that being said,
please bear with me. There's a lot here. I know
it's going to be rough. Bear with me. We will
get through it, I promise, because, like I said, there's
a lot to cover. So picture this. It's Thursday, two
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days ago, November twentieth, twenty twenty five, the President of
the United States has just amplified a message calling for
Democratic members of Congress to be hanged. His press secretary
is defending him, calling a female reporter piggy by saying
it's a sign of respect. The Coastguard has decided that
swastikas now are just quote unquote potentially divisive rather than
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you know, the actual hate symbols that they are. Congress
just forced Trump to sign a bill releasing the Epstein
files after months of him fighting at tooth and Nail
and then zoron New Mayra liked in New York, went
to the White House, met Trump and apparently Trump's in
love and they're expecting their first child. I mean, I
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don't know what the fuck right, Like, what is this?
None of this makes sense this week. Oh and then
before I also forget, Marjorie Taylor Green just announced that
she's resigning. Welcome to Hell, folks, population all of us.
Let's dive in before we get into it, though, quick housekeeping.
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Let's just go ahead and get into it. And we're
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going to start off with the loyalty oath. And this
might be the most Orwellian development to come out of
this administration so far. I mean, it's wild, and that's
saying something right. Federal employee unions are suing the Trump
administration over what they're calling a loyalty question that's been
added to thousands of federal job applications. Back in May,
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the Office of Personnel Management rolled out something that they're
calling a merit hiring plan. I mean, on its face
sounds innocent enough, right merit based hiring. Who could argue
with that, that's what we like to hear. But buried
in this plan is an essay question that's now appearing
on over six thousand federal job postings, and this question
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asks applicants, how would you help advance the President's executive
orders and policy priority in this role? Identify one or
two relevant executive orders or policy initiatives that are significant
to you, and explain how you would help implement them
if hired. Now you might be thinking, okay, so they
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want to know if you'll do your job right. I mean,
that's what one would hope. But no, no, this question
is showing up on job postings for meat cutters at
the Department of Defense. Yeah, meat cutters at the Department
of Defense, laundry workers at the Department of Veterans Affairs
research biologists at the Department of Agriculture, and let me
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repeat a third time, A fucking meat cutter needs to
explain which Trump executive order is personally significant to them
and how they'll implement it while cutting apart a carcass. Now,
the American Federation of Government Employees, along with two other unions,
file this lawsuit in Massachusetts, and their argument is pretty
straightforward with this, this is a political loyalty test that
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violates the First Amendment and turns the entire federal civil
service into a patronage system. No, thank you, please try again.
And what's so insidious about this is after the question
sparked the much deserved backlash, the Office of Personal Management said, oh, no, no, no,
it's optional. You don't have to answer it. And then
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they also said that answers will be reviewed by hiring
managers and political appointees. So it's optional. But if you
don't fill it out, your application is going in the trash,
probably put on a list somewhere. Let's be honest, if
you don't bend the knee, that's compelled speech, y'all. That
is the government forcing you to publicly voice support for
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political positions that you actually might oppose, just to have
a shot at a job as a laundry worker or
meat cutter. And the lawsuit points out something actually pretty significant.
This isn't just about one administration. This completely undermines the
Pendleton Act of eighteen eighty three. Now, the Pendleton Act
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established merit based federal hiring, specifically to end the spoil
system where government jobs were handed out like political favors,
which haven't seen that recently either have we. And then also,
here's what's fucked up. You know how basically every city
in America right now has a teacher shortage. Yeah, so
the Education Department has been particularly aggressive with this question.
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After laying off about half of its employees this year,
they literally reposted the exact same jobs with the loyalty
question added. So career civil servants who just got fired
have to sign a political litmus and loyalty test if
they want their old jobs back. Lest we not forget,
this is straight from the Project twenty twenty five playbook,
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and if you are familiar the playbook, basically the entire
aim of it is to replace the non partisan public
servants with workers chosen for their political loyalty. So have
the teachers that are you know, maga, maga, maga maga.
This is exactly what it did, at least on paper.
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If you think it's okay when Trump does it, If
you're a Republican listening and you think it's okay when
Trump does this, imagine if Obama did it, Biden Clinton,
I mean, it's not okay, right, Can we all agree
that this is not okay? Regardless of the administration. Oh
my god, I would be reading the same alarm bells
if a Democrat did this. Absolutely not. Now, let's come
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out all this edition talk this week that's been exceptionally fun.
The President of the United States was calling for the
execution of sitting members of Congress and I have been
on and seen Twitter all day today hundreds and hundreds
of posts calling for the same. So on Thursday, six
Democratic lawmakers released a video. And these aren't just any Democrats.
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They are all veterans or former intelligence officials. That is
a key point here. We're talking about Senator Elissa Slotkin,
who is a former CIA agent. Senator Mark Kelly, Navy
captain and astronaut, also the husband of Gabby Giffords, who,
if you recall, was shot by a right wing extremists.
Representatives Jason Crowe, Christ Deluzio, and Maggie Goodlander, as well
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as Chrissy Hulhan. Now all of them have military backgrounds.
And what did these dangerous radicals who served their country
say in this video? They told the US military service
members and intelligence officials that they can and must refuse
illegal orders let me read you what they actually said.
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They said, quote, you must refuse illegal orders. No one
has to carry out orders that violate the law or
our constitution. Like us, you all swore an oath to
protect and defend this constitution. We know this is hard
and that it's a difficult time to be a p
public servant. But whether you're serving the CIA, the Army,
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the Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical and
know that we have your back. That's it. That's the
entire controversial message. They reminded service members of their constitutional
obligation to refuse unlawful orders. And how did the President respond?
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Not well. Trump posted on true Social it's called seditious
behavior at the highest level. Each one of those traders
to our country should be arrested and put on trial.
Their words cannot be allowed to stand. We won't have
a country anymore. An example must be set. Exqueeze me, sir,
You are screaming like a random old drunk man at
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a Wendy's, Like, what the actual fuck? But he didn't
even stop there. About forty minutes later he posted again,
seditious behavior punishable by death, and then he amplified a
post from a user that read hang them, George Washington
would Now, let's be crystal freaking clear about what happened here.
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The President of the United States called for Democratic members
of Congress to be executed for reminding military personnel to
uphold their oath to the Constitution. Senator Chris Murphy put
it pretty perfectly. The President of the United States just
called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. Hang them.
He posted, if you're a person of influence in this
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country and you haven't picked a side, maybe now would
be the time to pick a fucking side. And he's right,
because this isn't hyperbole, y'all, this isn't an exaggeration. Our
president literally reposted a message calling for American lawmakers to
be hanged. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer took to the
Senate floor and said, let's be crystal clear. The President
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of the United States is calling for the execution of
elected officials. This is a threat, and it's deadly serious.
He is lighting a match in a country soaked with
political gasoline.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
What's even more disgusting is during on Thursday. During Thursday's
press briefing, CBS's Nancy Kord's as White House Press Secretary
Caroline Levitt directly, Hey, yo, fam, just to be clear,
does the President want to execute members of Congress? And
of course Levitt said no. But then she immediately went
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on to blame the Democrat saying that they were encouraging
service members to defy the president's lawful orders and that
the video was perhaps punishable by law. Levitt kept insisting
that Democrats were telling service members to defy the chain
of command and not follow lawful orders. But that's not
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what the video said. The video specifically said to refuse
illegal orders, and there is a pretty significant difference there.
When a reporter tried to correct her, pointing out that, hey,
all the Democrats said to refuse illegal orders, not legal ones,
Levitt just changed the subject entirely and said that Trump
hasn't given any illegal orders, which is great. Then problem solved, right.
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That's not the point, though. The point is that service
members have a legal obligation to refuse illegal orders, and
these lawmakers were simply reminding them of their oath. Deputy
Attorney General Todd blanche, who by the way, used to
be Trump's personal lawyer before getting this job, said the
Justice Department will be taking a very close look at
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the lawmaker's actions, calling it disgusting and inappropriate. So we've
got the DOJ potentially investigating members of Congress for reminding
people to follow the law. I mean, even some Republicans
could stomach this one. Senator Lindsay Lady buck Graham not
exactly known for bucking Trump, right. He literally has his
head in his crotch at all times. He said the
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President's remarks were over the top. Senator Ran Paul said
that he didn't think it was really a good idea
to talk about jailing your political opponents or hanging them
or whatever else. And we are officially here in November
of twenty twenty five, at or wherever else. I mean,
that's where we are now, right, Like we're talking about
hanging elected officials is in the or whatever else category
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of concerning rhetoric. It's now Saturday, when this is airing,
and you're listening to this in your ear holes, and
everything else has taken over the news cycle already, Trump
meeting Mom Donnie. The fact that Trump called for sitting
members of our government to be executed has for whatever reason,
just kind of slid on through because We're so used
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to his bullshit at this point, and it's such a
rapid news cycle that one awful thing that he does
is just eclipsed by the next or some weird surprise,
you know what I mean. And I just like, I
don't understand why more of this stuff isn't actually gaining traction.
And of course, spiteful leprechaun Mike Johnson, the House Speaker,
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initially wouldn't criticize Trump's comments. Instead, he just went off
about how wildly inappropriate it was for Democrats to make
the video to begin with, but when pressed, he finally admitted, obviously,
I don't think that these crimes are punishable by death
or any of that. Okay, I mean, thanks for that
lukewarm reassurance. Thanks, Mike, really cleared that up for us. Deluzio,
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one of the reps who was in the video, also
confirmed that he's been receiving death threats since Trump's post
and is taking precautions with Capitol Police to make sure
that he keeps his family safe. Isn't that disgusting? Like,
do you see do you see a pattern here that
anytime someone goes against Trump in the Republican Party, they
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get death threats Marjorie Taylor Green because she came out
and is forcing the Epstein files, and Trump went against
her and turned on her because of it. Now she's
getting death threats. She claims that she's quitting because of
the death threats that she's getting. Deluzio is just to
like it is one of the reps who made a
video telling hey, don't follow any illegal orders if they're legal,
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totally good, all good, nothing wrong with that. But guess
what getting death threats? Why is it that every time
there's mass death threats, it's always coming from the Republican side.
Can someone even they even eat their own Like Marjorie
Taylor Green was considered a hero for so many. I mean, yeah,
she got a little wacky, even for most Republicans. Do
not get me Wrong's she's been an outlier and kind
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of wacky for a while. Now Trump turned on her
and suddenly she was at the center of death threats.
I just that doesn't belong anywhere near political discourse at
this point, you guys, this isn't democrats versus Republicans. This
is about whether we believe in the rule of law
or the rule of one man who wants to be King,
and if you're not alarmed by this and everything that's happening,
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then please pay attention, like please pay attention. And we
of course have to talk about the piggy demuckle because
it perfectly encapsulates the absolute tra dumpster fire that is
the normalization that we're experiencing this country right now. Last Friday,
on Air Force one, Bloomberg reporter Catherine Lucy tried to
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ask President Trump a question about the Epstein files. Specifically,
she asked, if there's nothing incriminating in the files, sir,
why not? And Trump cut her off, saying, quiet, piggy, Quiet, quiet, piggy,
while pointing and wagging his finger at her. Now, let
me be clear, the President of the United States called
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a female reporter asking a legitimate question that the whole
world wants to know piggy. Trump has a long history
of insulting females, especially reporters. He's called them the worst,
vapid second rate, tells them to be quiet, constantly said
they know nothing about nothing, and has complained about their attitude.
Said they're not being sweet. This is not new behavior.
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The man is a pig. But what is fascinating is,
at least in this instance is how the White House
defended it. At Thursday's press briefing, the Washington Post reporter
Natalie Allison asked Caroline Levitt, what did the president mean
when he called the reporter piggy? And Levitt's response to this,
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oh chef's kiss. She said, Look, the president is very
frank and honest with everyone in this room. You've all
experienced it yourselves, and I think it's one of the
many reasons that the American people re elected this president
because of his frankness, and he calls out fake news
when he sees it. Then she really doubled down. She said, so,
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I think the president being frank and open and honest
to your faces rather than hiding behind your backs, is frankly,
a lot more respectful than what you saw in the
last administration. Did you catch that, y'all? Y'all, y'all calling
a female reporter piggy is now apparently respectful. It's a
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sign of his respect and frankness and openness. You should
be grateful when he insults you and calls you a
fat ass to your face. I mean, holy shit, this
is gaslighting at the Olympic level. Like, I don't think
i've ever witnessed it this bad. I don't think I've
ever witnessed gaslighting at this level. Levitt then said he
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gets frustrated with reporters when you lie about him, when
you spread fake news about him and his administration. But
he is also the most transparent president in history, the
most transparent president in history, who fought for months to
prevent the release of the Epstein files, who added loyalty
questions to his federal job applications. I'm not gonna sit
here and go through the whole list. We would be
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here until next year. But the really important part of
this is that Levitt never actually addressed what Trump meant
by piggy. She just pivoted to how reporters should to
appreciate his frankness. So now we're just going over him
verbally assaulting reporters. Cool cool, coo cool.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And by the way, this isn't the first time that
Trump has used piggy as an insult. He once called
Miss Universe Alicia Machado miss Piggy and then told her
to lose weight. There's a pattern here, y'all, and it's
not very complicated. Trump has a very long documented history
of being particularly vicious to women, women who challenge him
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or ask him uncomfortable questions. California Governor Gavin Newsom trolled
Levitt by posting, there is nothing she won't defend, and honestly,
he's not wrong. And again I've used the word normalization,
but the normalization happening here is staggering. We've reached a
point where the White House Press Secretary can stand at
that podium and essentially argue that presidential insults are actually
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acts of respect and realizing that a significant portion of
this country will be like, and he's just he's honest. Yeah,
he's telling the truth. Yeah, well she's fat. Yeah, well
that is terrifying that they'll just not along with it.
You know what Carolyn Levitt is actually saying is you
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should be grateful the president degrades you openly rather than
just behind closed doors. And the fact that we're even
having this conversation or I'm even having to actually mention
and discuss this incident in this episode that a legitimate
news organization has to ask, what did the President mean
when he called the reporter piggy? We have fallen, you guys.
This is not normal. This should not be normal, and
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we cannot let it become normal. I mean, fuck, if
I know what we can even do about it, there's nothing.
Now let's talk about the Coast Guard, because this is
just Project twenty twenty five. Guys, it's absolutely insane. According
to documents obtained by The Washington Post, the Washington Post
is the channel that broke this first, the Coastguard is
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implementing a new policy effective December fifteenth. This policy will
no longer classify swastikas and nooses as hate symbols. Instead,
they'll be considered potentially divisive. Let me say that again,
fucking swastikas, the symbol of Nazi Germany, the emblem used
during the murder of six million Jews and millions of
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others during the Hollow Cost, the symbol that over four
hundred thousand American soldiers died fighting against in World War II.
Potentially divisive. Not a hate symbol, not prohibited, just potentially divisive,
you know, like pineapple on pizza or the correct way
to hang toilet paper. The new policy also downgrades nooses,
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which have a very specific and horrific history in this country.
They were used to terrorize and lynch black people. But yeah,
apparently nooses just potentially divisive as well. Oh in the
Confederate flag too, though the display of the Confederate flag
actually does remain banned in most contexts. Under the previous
twenty twenty policy, these symbols were widely identified with oppression
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or hatred, and their display was considered a potential hate incident.
But now the new policy explicitly states that the terminology
hate incident is no longer present in policy. Instead, conduct
that would have been handled as a potential hate incident
will now be treated as a report of harassment in
cases with an identified aggrieved individual. So basically, if you
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see a swastika, it's only a problem if someone complained
and can prove they've been personally aggrieved by it. The
symbol itself is no longer inherently problematic. Think about what
this means for Coastguard members who are deployed at sea
for months at a time. One Coast Guard official anonymously
told The Washington Post, if you're at sea and your
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shipmate has a swastika in the Iraq, if you are
a black person or Jew, and you're going to be
stuck at sea with them for the next sixty days,
are you going to feel safe reporting that up your
chain of command. Obviously not. This isn't theoretical, this is
an actual problem. The Coastguard is under the Department of
Homeland Security, which is also again as we all know,
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headed by Christy Nome. And this policy change happened after
Trump fired Admiral Linda Fagan, who she was the first
woman to lead a military branch. He did that his
first day in office, and he said that he was
citing her focus on DEI initiatives and sexual assault prevention efforts.
It's all connected, you guys, the loyalty oaths, the attacks
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on DEI, the downgrading of hate symbols. This is a
coordinated effort to remake all of our federal institutions in
Trump's image, particularly the playbook of Project twenty twenty five.
But I digress. When the Coast Guard says that swastikas
are just potentially divisive, what they're saying is that why
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supremacy is cool. Now, that is essentially what they are
allowing in. And now we arrive at the main event,
the Epstein files. And this has been a pretty crazy
two weeks in this case, like wild right, because for
months Trump fought tooth and nail against releasing the Jeffrey
Epstein case files. Remember he campaigned on releasing them, but
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once he got into office, it's like that Mariah Carey gift,
Like I don't even know her, you know, suddenly not
so much. But last week Congress forced his hand. The
House voted four twenty seven to one to pass the
Epstein Files Transparency Act. The Senate approved it by a
unanimous consent, and on Wednesday, Trump signed it into law,
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but not before going through the five stages of grief
very publicly. Attorney General Pam Bondi went on Fox News
back in February and said that the Epstein case files,
like the client lists in particular, was sitting on her desk.
Everyone got so excited and then nothing happened. And I
mean people have always been talking about the Epstein files.
It's not like it died out. In fact, it kind of,
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you know, had a resurgence of interest. I guess. Instead,
Trump ordered Bondy to open the investigation into Epstein's alleged
connections to prominent Democrats, and that included Bill Clinton. And
this is important because one of the exceptions in the
new law allows the DOJ to withhold materials that would
jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution. So do
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you see what they are actually doing here? They opened
a new investigation, They're going to claim it's ongoing, and
they're going to keep the files sealed. It's not that complicated.
Or they can release the files publicly, absolutely, but they
are going to be redacted to holy shit, because that
you know, the quote unquote active investigation. I mean, people
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were calling this left, right and center before there was
even the vote to release them. And last Friday on
Air Force One, this was right before the Piggy incident,
Trump was asked about the Epstein files and he snapped
at reporter Catherine Lucy when she tried to ask why
he wouldn't support their release. Then, as pressure mounted and
it became clear that Congress was going to pass this
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bill with or without him, Trump suddenly changed his entire course.
This past Sunday, he posted, House Republicans should vote to
release the Epstein files because we have nothing to hide
and it's time to move on from this Democrat hoax.
He's been calling it a Democrat hoax constantly. We have
nothing to hide. I mean, that's interesting considering that he's
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been blocking this release for months now. On Monday, he
told reporters, sure, I would sign it, Let the Senate
look at it, let anybody look at it, but don't
talk about it too much, because honestly, I don't want
to take it away from us. It's really a Democrat problem.
The Democrats were Epstein's friends, all of them, and it's
a hoax. And mister President, why don't you want to
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talk about it too much if it's just a Democrat problem,
when you want everyone talking about it, I mean, you're
basically a glorified carnival barker, you know, damn well he
would be screaming it on truth Social with his minions.
The bill passed Congress with overwhelming vice partisan support, surprise surprise,
and on Wednesday night, Trump posted on Truth Social, I
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just signed the bill to release the ebscene files. Democrats
have used the ebscene issue, which affects them far more
than the Republican Party, in order to try and distract
from our amazing victories. This latest hoax will backfire on
the Democrats, just as all of the rest have all
cabs multiple exclamation points so you can almost hear him
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seething resentment here. So what happens now exactly? While the
bill gives the Justice Department thirty days to make publicly
available in a searchable and downloadable format, all unclassified materials
related to the investigation into EBSTCEN and Julane Maxwell, but
there are exceptions. The DOJ can withhold victim's identities and
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medical files. They can withhold material that would jeopardize an
active federal investigation. They can withhold stuff for national security reasons.
The bill specifically states no record shall be withheld, delayed,
or redacted on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm, or
political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure, or
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foreign dignitary. I mean, that's good, but here's the question.
Will the DOJ actually follow that or will they claim
everything is part of an active investigation or a national
security concern. Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, who has had a
very public split with Trump over this issue, and we'll
talk more about that in a minute, said the administration's
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compliance with the bill is its real test. She asked,
will the Department of Justice release the files or will
it remain tied up in investigations? And that's actually a
really good question, Marge, and coming from someone who's usually
a Trump loyalist, I mean, it's a good example of
how skeptical even some of his own supporters are about
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the Epstein files. And it's actually kind of crazy because
I've seen both sides of the spectrum this week. I
have seen dozens of men defending Trump literally saying, Okay, well,
if he did did old children, he's still our president
and he's still doing a good job, and sorry for
the kids, but I'd vote for him anyway. I'm seeing
a whole lot of that which is disgusting and sick.
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And if you are like that, please get yourself some
fucking help or lobotomy, one or the other. Please. It's
just crazy, you guys. I just don't understand it. But
even more so, I'm seeing a lot of hardline Trump
supporters being like, no, man, I have to split up
with you at the thought of child rape. I'm sorry.
So that has actually been really nice to see that
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there is still some dignity there somewhere, that some people
do still have humanity and decency left. And let's talk
about what we already know. You know, House Democrats on
the Oversight Committee have been releasing documents for months now.
They've already put out over twenty thousand emails from the
Epstein estate, and these emails show that Trump and Epstein
were much closer than Trump has ever publicly admitted. We're
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talking emails where Ebstein refers to Trump as his closest
friend for ten years. Multiple people who knew both of them,
including one of Epstein's first victims, Maria Farmer, have described
them as best friends. There are photos of them together
at parties in the nineteen nineties early two thousands, video
footage of them laughing and chatting at mar A Lago
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in nineteen ninety two with NFL cheerleaders, Pictures of them
at Victoria's secret events. I mean because of course, Trump
flew on Epstein's private jet at least seven times, according
to the flight logs. Epstein attended Trump's wedding to Marlon Maples.
They were photographed together at mar A Lago multiple times.
In two thousand and two, Trump told New York magazine,
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I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a
lot of fun to be with. It is even said
that he likes beautiful women as much as I do.
And many of them are on the younger side. That
did not that that age poorly all. One of the
most damning documents release was a birthday letter Trump allegedly
wrote for Epstein's fiftieth birthday back in two thousand and
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three and has a drawing of a naked woman with
Trump's signature located in a provocative spot. The letter contains
an imagined dialogue where Donald tells Jeffrey, we have certain
things in common, Jeffrey, and concludes with a pal is
a wonderful thing. Happy birthday. It may every day be
another wonderful secret. Trump claims he didn't write or sign
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that letter, but a New York Times analysis showed that
the signature matches his personal correspondence from that era. Trump lied,
Oh wow, who would have guessed? Then they're the emails.
In a twenty nineteen email to journalist Michael Wolfe, Epstein
allegedly wrote about Trump. Of course he knew about the girls.
He asked Jelaane to stop. Another email references the victims
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spending hours at Epstein's time with Trump in twenty eleven.
Trump has repeatedly said that his friendship with Epstein ended
in the mid two thousands. He's given multiple explanations. Epstein
was banned from mar A Lago for hitting on a
member's daughter. Ebstein stole employees from mar A Lago. They
had a falling out over a real estate deal. Like
the story has changed, the timeline keeps changing depending on
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when and where Trump is asked. But what matters is
Trump's name appears throughout the Epsteine files, not as someone
accused of a crime. I mean, that's also important to note,
but as someone who was in Epstein's orbit for over
a decade. But when your name shows up hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times thousands,
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that's a little sus Epstein's survivor, Danny Benski, said, this
is not political for us. This is a survivor issue,
and we are grateful for all the individuals who came
together to make this happen. We are cautiously optimistic that
the release will focus on transparency so that the evildoers
can no longer live in the shadows that poor sweet
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summer child, Because that cautiously optimistic part of that sentence
is doing all of the work. You know, the thirty
day clock is ticking. We'll see what actually gets released,
but I'm not holding my breath for full transparency at all.
And the last thing I want to talk about here
is MAGA eating its own because this is kind of
what they're known for. But I need you to sit
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with this one for a minute, because the sheer cosmic irony, guys,
of what I'm about to tell you may cause your
brain to short circuit. Marjorie Taylor Green, Yes, that Marge.
That Marjorie Taylor Green, the woman who wore a MAGA
hat to Biden's State of the Union, the woman who
fought Trump's impeachment while her father was in brain surgery.
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The woman who traveled the country for years spending millions
of her own dollars to elect Donald Trump, who stood
outside the New York City courthouse defending him against Democrat
law fair that Marjorie Taylor Green just rage quit Congress
because Trump turned on her. And you know what Trump
said when he heard the news that she was quitting.
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I think it's great news for the country. It's great.
I mean, what the most loyal Maga foot soldier in
all of Congress gone cast aside? Not even that, I
mean the man that she gave everything for. He couldn't
be happier about it. He's like, peace, bitch, don't call.
And it's just wild to see because I think a
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lot of people would think, well, Trump needs all the
allies that he can get, you know, Marjorie. But Marjorie,
I mean, all of this is simming, guys, from her
calling for the release of the Epstein files. Does an
innocent person act that way and rage that hard over that? No?
And again, this all started because Marjorie was one of
the only and loudest Republicans demanding the DOJ release the
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full files on Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, she was one
of a couple, but she was absolutely the loudest, and
she has threatened to read connections and government on the floor.
She pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed. And that
was back when Trump was clearly trying to bury the
whole thing. He still thought there was a chance of that.
Last week, Trump went nuclear on her. He called her wacky.
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He called her a ranting lunatic. He said, and I quote,
all I've witnessed from Green in recent months is complain, complain, complain.
He complained that she was mad that he wasn't returning
her phone calls, saying I can't take a ranting lunatics
call every day. Then he branded her Marjorie Trader Green, which, honestly,
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that's kind of a good one. But he announced that
he was withdrawing his endorsement of her. He said he'd
fully support the right person if they challenged her in
the primary. You know, Trump's political operation was already receiving
inquiries from potential Republican challengers like for a bit now.
Marjorie Taylor Green has sacrificed everything for Trump. So earlier
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this evening, Green posted a four page stick in a
ten minute video announcing her resignation, which is effective January fifth.
In folks, this statement is freaking wild. I'm gonna read
just some of it, not all because it's super long,
but I'm gonna read a little. Marge said. It's also
absurd and completely unserious. I refuse to be a battered
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wife hoping it all goes away and gets better. A
battered wife like that's she described her relationship with Trump
and the MAGA movement that she herself helped build. She said,
I have too much self respect and dignity, love my
family way too much and do not want my sweet
district to have to endure a hopeful and hateful primary
against me by the president we all fought for only
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to fight and win my election, while Republicans will likely
lose the midterms and in turn be expected to defend
the president against impeachment after he hatefully dumped tens of
millions of dollars against me and tried to destroy me.
She is predicting Republicans will lose the House in the midterms,
and she's also predicting that Trump will be impeached again
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when they do. But here's the part that really is
kind of the most important. Here, Green explicitly connected her
downfall to the Epstein files. Quote. Standing up for American
women who were raped at fourteen, trafficked and used by rich,
powerful men should not result in me being called a
trader and threatened by the President of the United States,
whom I fought for. That's not subtle. She's directly linking
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Trump's rage at her to the Epstein transparency issue and
push She's saying that the man who promised to release
the files turned on her for actually trying to make
it happen, and in her video, Green said something that's
going to stick with me. She said, my self worth
is not defined by a man, but instead by God,
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which I'm not a believer. But she's on the offensive
right now. She also went after GOP leadership. She went
after Speaker Mike Johnson, who, by the way, she tried
to oust a speaker last year because he refused to
bring her bills to the floor. She called out Republicans
for the eight week government shutdown and said the House
should have been in session working every day to fix
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this disaster. Yes, Marge. She complained that the legislature has
been mostly sidelined. She criticized Trump for prioritizing meetings with
foreign leaders over addressing actual, you know, domestic issues like
health care costs. She even praised Nancy Pelosi's leadership skills
in a CNN interview, said that she was very impressed
at her ability to get things done. Marjorie Taylor Green
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praised Nancy Pelosi. Y'all, that's how far through the looking
glass we have gone. Let's be again clear about who
we are talking about here. This is the woman who
spread the conspiracy theories about pizzagate and QAnon. Suggested that
nine to eleven was an inside job, and that all
the mass shootings that we have are false flags. She
harassed Parklands shooting survivors children. She spoke at a white
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nationalist conference hosted by Nick Fuintes. She was stripped of
her committee assignments for her embrace of racist and anti
Semitic conspiracy theories. I am not shedding tears for Marjorie
Taylor Green. She herself personally did immense damage to this
country and to political discourse, and we are partially in
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the position that we are now because of her and
others like her. But here's the thing. Marjorie Taylor Green
didn't change. She's been ideologically consistent through all of this.
Her argument is just that Trump and the Republican Party changed,
that they fell short of that America First vision that
she signed up for. And when she pointed that out,
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when she pushed for something Trump didn't want, you know,
transparency on the obscene files, she was absolutely destroyed. And
that's how loyalty works in Trump world. It is solely
a one way street. You give everything, You sacrifice your time,
your family, your money, your reputation. You defend him through
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impeachments and indictments and lawsuits and the moment that you
step out of line or want something from him that
he's not fond of. The moment you question anything, your roadkill,
he has hit you, backed up over you, and just
left you for dead in that case in politics, with
drawing and endorsement and constantly should talk to you. And
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here's the kicker to all of this, you guys, which
today has been a day from the twilight zone. Green
resigned today, But then Trump also met with Zoron Mamdannie
in the Oval Office. He went from New York to Washington,
d C. To meet him. You know, the man that
Trump has spent months calling a communist lunatic. Well, suddenly
after meeting him, Trump's calling him rational and said he's
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cheering for him. A former Obama advisor, David Axelrod summed
it up pretty perfectly on X. He said, who had
on their bingo card that this week would begin with
Trump denouncing Marjorie Taylor Green as a trader and end
with his apparent successful meeting and warm verbal embrace of
Zoron Mamdannie. So I mean, let's do the man, Marjorie
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Taylor Green. Five years of total devotion, millions of dollars
spent her own family sacrifice, gets branded a trader and
driven out of Congress. Zorn Memdani, who called Trump a
fascist and a despot last week, gets an oval office
photo op and warm praise from Trump. Loyalty means nothing
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to Trump, nothing, results mean nothing. The only thing that
matters is whether you're useful to Trump in this moment,
and the second you're not. Your garbage. And Green's resignation
really shrinks that already raisor thin Republican majority in the House.
And what happens to Marjorie now? Like she says, she's
going back to the people I love to live life
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to the fullest. You know, she hasn't ruled out a
future return to politics, but some are even speculating about
a presidential run. And I can't even fathom. I mean,
obviously she would never in a million years be elected,
But I guess I can't say that anymore in this country,
can I I can't make statements that I feel as
though are reasonable to say, because but in any case,
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I am pretty sure that she's going to fade into obscurity.
I think that the most likely outcome here is what
she actually warned about in her own statement, she said,
if I am cast aside by MAGA Inc. And replaced
by Neo CON's big Pharma, big tech, military industrial war complex,
foreign leaders, and the elite donor class that can't even
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relate to real Americans, then many common Americans have been
cast aside and replaced as well. I mean, she is
right about that, even if she's wrong about everything else,
and probably the reason that that's happened, because here's the
thing at the end of the day, you, guys, If
Marjorie Taylor Green, I mean, the truest of true Trump believers,
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if she can be thrown away like yesterday's trash the
moment she becomes inconvenient, then what does that say to
every other MAGA loyaltist? It more, in my opinion, says
your next if you step out of line, welcome to
the party, Marge. Now you know how the rest of
us feel. And that's it for today. Guys. Again, you
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Hello everyone, You are listening to Red White and Bruce
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and I am here to talk about the insane happenings
in the world that is us politics. What a doozy
of a week it has been. I am so serious.
We have so much to cover in this episode, and
I probably won't even be able to cover all of
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the topics that I really want to. It has been
absolutely insane. But how are you guys doing? Does anyone
else feel as though time is just dragging but simultaneously flying.
I really don't know how to articulate it, other than
every single day just seems to drag. It seems so
redundant and repetitive. And then suddenly it's like the realization
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that three weeks have passed since you actually last recalled.
You know what I mean. I don't know. It's just
we are on a very odd timeline right now. It
is just so strange and bizarre. And I'm sure some
of that is getting into the winter in a new season,
season change and all of that daylight saving time saving time,
But man, anybody else feeling it? It has been a
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very long week. I am absolutely exhausted, and I've also
been pretty sick this week as well. So that being said,
please bear with me. There's a lot here. I know
it's going to be rough. Bear with me. We will
get through it, I promise, because, like I said, there's
a lot to cover. So picture this. It's Thursday, two
(02:24):
days ago, November twentieth, twenty twenty five, the President of
the United States has just amplified a message calling for
Democratic members of Congress to be hanged. His press secretary
is defending him, calling a female reporter piggy by saying
it's a sign of respect. The Coastguard has decided that
swastikas now are just quote unquote potentially divisive rather than
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you know, the actual hate symbols that they are. Congress
just forced Trump to sign a bill releasing the Epstein
files after months of him fighting at tooth and Nail
and then zoron New Mayra liked in New York, went
to the White House, met Trump and apparently Trump's in
love and they're expecting their first child. I mean, I
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don't know what the fuck right, Like, what is this?
None of this makes sense this week. Oh and then
before I also forget, Marjorie Taylor Green just announced that
she's resigning. Welcome to Hell, folks, population all of us.
Let's dive in before we get into it, though, quick housekeeping.
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Let's just go ahead and get into it. And we're
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going to start off with the loyalty oath. And this
might be the most Orwellian development to come out of
this administration so far. I mean, it's wild, and that's
saying something right. Federal employee unions are suing the Trump
administration over what they're calling a loyalty question that's been
added to thousands of federal job applications. Back in May,
(04:31):
the Office of Personnel Management rolled out something that they're
calling a merit hiring plan. I mean, on its face
sounds innocent enough, right merit based hiring. Who could argue
with that, that's what we like to hear. But buried
in this plan is an essay question that's now appearing
on over six thousand federal job postings, and this question
(04:53):
asks applicants, how would you help advance the President's executive
orders and policy priority in this role? Identify one or
two relevant executive orders or policy initiatives that are significant
to you, and explain how you would help implement them
if hired. Now you might be thinking, okay, so they
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want to know if you'll do your job right. I mean,
that's what one would hope. But no, no, this question
is showing up on job postings for meat cutters at
the Department of Defense. Yeah, meat cutters at the Department
of Defense, laundry workers at the Department of Veterans Affairs
research biologists at the Department of Agriculture, and let me
(05:36):
repeat a third time, A fucking meat cutter needs to
explain which Trump executive order is personally significant to them
and how they'll implement it while cutting apart a carcass. Now,
the American Federation of Government Employees, along with two other unions,
file this lawsuit in Massachusetts, and their argument is pretty
straightforward with this, this is a political loyalty test that
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violates the First Amendment and turns the entire federal civil
service into a patronage system. No, thank you, please try again.
And what's so insidious about this is after the question
sparked the much deserved backlash, the Office of Personal Management said, oh, no, no, no,
it's optional. You don't have to answer it. And then
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they also said that answers will be reviewed by hiring
managers and political appointees. So it's optional. But if you
don't fill it out, your application is going in the trash,
probably put on a list somewhere. Let's be honest, if
you don't bend the knee, that's compelled speech, y'all. That
is the government forcing you to publicly voice support for
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political positions that you actually might oppose, just to have
a shot at a job as a laundry worker or
meat cutter. And the lawsuit points out something actually pretty significant.
This isn't just about one administration. This completely undermines the
Pendleton Act of eighteen eighty three. Now, the Pendleton Act
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established merit based federal hiring, specifically to end the spoil
system where government jobs were handed out like political favors,
which haven't seen that recently either have we. And then also,
here's what's fucked up. You know how basically every city
in America right now has a teacher shortage. Yeah, so
the Education Department has been particularly aggressive with this question.
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After laying off about half of its employees this year,
they literally reposted the exact same jobs with the loyalty
question added. So career civil servants who just got fired
have to sign a political litmus and loyalty test if
they want their old jobs back. Lest we not forget,
this is straight from the Project twenty twenty five playbook,
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and if you are familiar the playbook, basically the entire
aim of it is to replace the non partisan public
servants with workers chosen for their political loyalty. So have
the teachers that are you know, maga, maga, maga maga.
This is exactly what it did, at least on paper.
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If you think it's okay when Trump does it, If
you're a Republican listening and you think it's okay when
Trump does this, imagine if Obama did it, Biden Clinton,
I mean, it's not okay, right, Can we all agree
that this is not okay? Regardless of the administration. Oh
my god, I would be reading the same alarm bells
if a Democrat did this. Absolutely not. Now, let's come
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out all this edition talk this week that's been exceptionally fun.
The President of the United States was calling for the
execution of sitting members of Congress and I have been
on and seen Twitter all day today hundreds and hundreds
of posts calling for the same. So on Thursday, six
Democratic lawmakers released a video. And these aren't just any Democrats.
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They are all veterans or former intelligence officials. That is
a key point here. We're talking about Senator Elissa Slotkin,
who is a former CIA agent. Senator Mark Kelly, Navy
captain and astronaut, also the husband of Gabby Giffords, who,
if you recall, was shot by a right wing extremists.
Representatives Jason Crowe, Christ Deluzio, and Maggie Goodlander, as well
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as Chrissy Hulhan. Now all of them have military backgrounds.
And what did these dangerous radicals who served their country
say in this video? They told the US military service
members and intelligence officials that they can and must refuse
illegal orders let me read you what they actually said.
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They said, quote, you must refuse illegal orders. No one
has to carry out orders that violate the law or
our constitution. Like us, you all swore an oath to
protect and defend this constitution. We know this is hard
and that it's a difficult time to be a p
public servant. But whether you're serving the CIA, the Army,
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the Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical and
know that we have your back. That's it. That's the
entire controversial message. They reminded service members of their constitutional
obligation to refuse unlawful orders. And how did the President respond?
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Not well. Trump posted on true Social it's called seditious
behavior at the highest level. Each one of those traders
to our country should be arrested and put on trial.
Their words cannot be allowed to stand. We won't have
a country anymore. An example must be set. Exqueeze me, sir,
You are screaming like a random old drunk man at
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a Wendy's, Like, what the actual fuck? But he didn't
even stop there. About forty minutes later he posted again,
seditious behavior punishable by death, and then he amplified a
post from a user that read hang them, George Washington
would Now, let's be crystal freaking clear about what happened here.
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The President of the United States called for Democratic members
of Congress to be executed for reminding military personnel to
uphold their oath to the Constitution. Senator Chris Murphy put
it pretty perfectly. The President of the United States just
called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. Hang them.
He posted, if you're a person of influence in this
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country and you haven't picked a side, maybe now would
be the time to pick a fucking side. And he's right,
because this isn't hyperbole, y'all, this isn't an exaggeration. Our
president literally reposted a message calling for American lawmakers to
be hanged. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer took to the
Senate floor and said, let's be crystal clear. The President
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of the United States is calling for the execution of
elected officials. This is a threat, and it's deadly serious.
He is lighting a match in a country soaked with
political gasoline.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
What's even more disgusting is during on Thursday. During Thursday's
press briefing, CBS's Nancy Kord's as White House Press Secretary
Caroline Levitt directly, Hey, yo, fam, just to be clear,
does the President want to execute members of Congress? And
of course Levitt said no. But then she immediately went
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on to blame the Democrat saying that they were encouraging
service members to defy the president's lawful orders and that
the video was perhaps punishable by law. Levitt kept insisting
that Democrats were telling service members to defy the chain
of command and not follow lawful orders. But that's not
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what the video said. The video specifically said to refuse
illegal orders, and there is a pretty significant difference there.
When a reporter tried to correct her, pointing out that, hey,
all the Democrats said to refuse illegal orders, not legal ones,
Levitt just changed the subject entirely and said that Trump
hasn't given any illegal orders, which is great. Then problem solved, right.
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That's not the point, though. The point is that service
members have a legal obligation to refuse illegal orders, and
these lawmakers were simply reminding them of their oath. Deputy
Attorney General Todd blanche, who by the way, used to
be Trump's personal lawyer before getting this job, said the
Justice Department will be taking a very close look at
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the lawmaker's actions, calling it disgusting and inappropriate. So we've
got the DOJ potentially investigating members of Congress for reminding
people to follow the law. I mean, even some Republicans
could stomach this one. Senator Lindsay Lady buck Graham not
exactly known for bucking Trump, right. He literally has his
head in his crotch at all times. He said the
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President's remarks were over the top. Senator Ran Paul said
that he didn't think it was really a good idea
to talk about jailing your political opponents or hanging them
or whatever else. And we are officially here in November
of twenty twenty five, at or wherever else. I mean,
that's where we are now, right, Like we're talking about
hanging elected officials is in the or whatever else category
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of concerning rhetoric. It's now Saturday, when this is airing,
and you're listening to this in your ear holes, and
everything else has taken over the news cycle already, Trump
meeting Mom Donnie. The fact that Trump called for sitting
members of our government to be executed has for whatever reason,
just kind of slid on through because We're so used
(14:39):
to his bullshit at this point, and it's such a
rapid news cycle that one awful thing that he does
is just eclipsed by the next or some weird surprise,
you know what I mean. And I just like, I
don't understand why more of this stuff isn't actually gaining traction.
And of course, spiteful leprechaun Mike Johnson, the House Speaker,
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initially wouldn't criticize Trump's comments. Instead, he just went off
about how wildly inappropriate it was for Democrats to make
the video to begin with, but when pressed, he finally admitted, obviously,
I don't think that these crimes are punishable by death
or any of that. Okay, I mean, thanks for that
lukewarm reassurance. Thanks, Mike, really cleared that up for us. Deluzio,
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one of the reps who was in the video, also
confirmed that he's been receiving death threats since Trump's post
and is taking precautions with Capitol Police to make sure
that he keeps his family safe. Isn't that disgusting? Like,
do you see do you see a pattern here that
anytime someone goes against Trump in the Republican Party, they
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get death threats Marjorie Taylor Green because she came out
and is forcing the Epstein files, and Trump went against
her and turned on her because of it. Now she's
getting death threats. She claims that she's quitting because of
the death threats that she's getting. Deluzio is just to
like it is one of the reps who made a
video telling hey, don't follow any illegal orders if they're legal,
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totally good, all good, nothing wrong with that. But guess
what getting death threats? Why is it that every time
there's mass death threats, it's always coming from the Republican side.
Can someone even they even eat their own Like Marjorie
Taylor Green was considered a hero for so many. I mean, yeah,
she got a little wacky, even for most Republicans. Do
not get me Wrong's she's been an outlier and kind
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of wacky for a while. Now Trump turned on her
and suddenly she was at the center of death threats.
I just that doesn't belong anywhere near political discourse at
this point, you guys, this isn't democrats versus Republicans. This
is about whether we believe in the rule of law
or the rule of one man who wants to be King,
and if you're not alarmed by this and everything that's happening,
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then please pay attention, like please pay attention. And we
of course have to talk about the piggy demuckle because
it perfectly encapsulates the absolute tra dumpster fire that is
the normalization that we're experiencing this country right now. Last Friday,
on Air Force one, Bloomberg reporter Catherine Lucy tried to
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ask President Trump a question about the Epstein files. Specifically,
she asked, if there's nothing incriminating in the files, sir,
why not? And Trump cut her off, saying, quiet, piggy, Quiet, quiet, piggy,
while pointing and wagging his finger at her. Now, let
me be clear, the President of the United States called
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a female reporter asking a legitimate question that the whole
world wants to know piggy. Trump has a long history
of insulting females, especially reporters. He's called them the worst,
vapid second rate, tells them to be quiet, constantly said
they know nothing about nothing, and has complained about their attitude.
Said they're not being sweet. This is not new behavior.
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The man is a pig. But what is fascinating is,
at least in this instance is how the White House
defended it. At Thursday's press briefing, the Washington Post reporter
Natalie Allison asked Caroline Levitt, what did the president mean
when he called the reporter piggy? And Levitt's response to this,
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oh chef's kiss. She said, Look, the president is very
frank and honest with everyone in this room. You've all
experienced it yourselves, and I think it's one of the
many reasons that the American people re elected this president
because of his frankness, and he calls out fake news
when he sees it. Then she really doubled down. She said, so,
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I think the president being frank and open and honest
to your faces rather than hiding behind your backs, is frankly,
a lot more respectful than what you saw in the
last administration. Did you catch that, y'all? Y'all, y'all calling
a female reporter piggy is now apparently respectful. It's a
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sign of his respect and frankness and openness. You should
be grateful when he insults you and calls you a
fat ass to your face. I mean, holy shit, this
is gaslighting at the Olympic level. Like, I don't think
i've ever witnessed it this bad. I don't think I've
ever witnessed gaslighting at this level. Levitt then said he
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gets frustrated with reporters when you lie about him, when
you spread fake news about him and his administration. But
he is also the most transparent president in history, the
most transparent president in history, who fought for months to
prevent the release of the Epstein files, who added loyalty
questions to his federal job applications. I'm not gonna sit
here and go through the whole list. We would be
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here until next year. But the really important part of
this is that Levitt never actually addressed what Trump meant
by piggy. She just pivoted to how reporters should to
appreciate his frankness. So now we're just going over him
verbally assaulting reporters. Cool cool, coo cool.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
And by the way, this isn't the first time that
Trump has used piggy as an insult. He once called
Miss Universe Alicia Machado miss Piggy and then told her
to lose weight. There's a pattern here, y'all, and it's
not very complicated. Trump has a very long documented history
of being particularly vicious to women, women who challenge him
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or ask him uncomfortable questions. California Governor Gavin Newsom trolled
Levitt by posting, there is nothing she won't defend, and honestly,
he's not wrong. And again I've used the word normalization,
but the normalization happening here is staggering. We've reached a
point where the White House Press Secretary can stand at
that podium and essentially argue that presidential insults are actually
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acts of respect and realizing that a significant portion of
this country will be like, and he's just he's honest. Yeah,
he's telling the truth. Yeah, well she's fat. Yeah, well
that is terrifying that they'll just not along with it.
You know what Carolyn Levitt is actually saying is you
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should be grateful the president degrades you openly rather than
just behind closed doors. And the fact that we're even
having this conversation or I'm even having to actually mention
and discuss this incident in this episode that a legitimate
news organization has to ask, what did the President mean
when he called the reporter piggy? We have fallen, you guys.
This is not normal. This should not be normal, and
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we cannot let it become normal. I mean, fuck, if
I know what we can even do about it, there's nothing.
Now let's talk about the Coast Guard, because this is
just Project twenty twenty five. Guys, it's absolutely insane. According
to documents obtained by The Washington Post, the Washington Post
is the channel that broke this first, the Coastguard is
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implementing a new policy effective December fifteenth. This policy will
no longer classify swastikas and nooses as hate symbols. Instead,
they'll be considered potentially divisive. Let me say that again,
fucking swastikas, the symbol of Nazi Germany, the emblem used
during the murder of six million Jews and millions of
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others during the Hollow Cost, the symbol that over four
hundred thousand American soldiers died fighting against in World War II.
Potentially divisive. Not a hate symbol, not prohibited, just potentially divisive,
you know, like pineapple on pizza or the correct way
to hang toilet paper. The new policy also downgrades nooses,
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which have a very specific and horrific history in this country.
They were used to terrorize and lynch black people. But yeah,
apparently nooses just potentially divisive as well. Oh in the
Confederate flag too, though the display of the Confederate flag
actually does remain banned in most contexts. Under the previous
twenty twenty policy, these symbols were widely identified with oppression
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or hatred, and their display was considered a potential hate incident.
But now the new policy explicitly states that the terminology
hate incident is no longer present in policy. Instead, conduct
that would have been handled as a potential hate incident
will now be treated as a report of harassment in
cases with an identified aggrieved individual. So basically, if you
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see a swastika, it's only a problem if someone complained
and can prove they've been personally aggrieved by it. The
symbol itself is no longer inherently problematic. Think about what
this means for Coastguard members who are deployed at sea
for months at a time. One Coast Guard official anonymously
told The Washington Post, if you're at sea and your
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shipmate has a swastika in the Iraq, if you are
a black person or Jew, and you're going to be
stuck at sea with them for the next sixty days,
are you going to feel safe reporting that up your
chain of command. Obviously not. This isn't theoretical, this is
an actual problem. The Coastguard is under the Department of
Homeland Security, which is also again as we all know,
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headed by Christy Nome. And this policy change happened after
Trump fired Admiral Linda Fagan, who she was the first
woman to lead a military branch. He did that his
first day in office, and he said that he was
citing her focus on DEI initiatives and sexual assault prevention efforts.
It's all connected, you guys, the loyalty oaths, the attacks
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on DEI, the downgrading of hate symbols. This is a
coordinated effort to remake all of our federal institutions in
Trump's image, particularly the playbook of Project twenty twenty five.
But I digress. When the Coast Guard says that swastikas
are just potentially divisive, what they're saying is that why
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supremacy is cool. Now, that is essentially what they are
allowing in. And now we arrive at the main event,
the Epstein files. And this has been a pretty crazy
two weeks in this case, like wild right, because for
months Trump fought tooth and nail against releasing the Jeffrey
Epstein case files. Remember he campaigned on releasing them, but
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once he got into office, it's like that Mariah Carey gift,
Like I don't even know her, you know, suddenly not
so much. But last week Congress forced his hand. The
House voted four twenty seven to one to pass the
Epstein Files Transparency Act. The Senate approved it by a
unanimous consent, and on Wednesday, Trump signed it into law,
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but not before going through the five stages of grief
very publicly. Attorney General Pam Bondi went on Fox News
back in February and said that the Epstein case files,
like the client lists in particular, was sitting on her desk.
Everyone got so excited and then nothing happened. And I
mean people have always been talking about the Epstein files.
It's not like it died out. In fact, it kind of,
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you know, had a resurgence of interest. I guess. Instead,
Trump ordered Bondy to open the investigation into Epstein's alleged
connections to prominent Democrats, and that included Bill Clinton. And
this is important because one of the exceptions in the
new law allows the DOJ to withhold materials that would
jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution. So do
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you see what they are actually doing here? They opened
a new investigation, They're going to claim it's ongoing, and
they're going to keep the files sealed. It's not that complicated.
Or they can release the files publicly, absolutely, but they
are going to be redacted to holy shit, because that
you know, the quote unquote active investigation. I mean, people
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were calling this left, right and center before there was
even the vote to release them. And last Friday on
Air Force One, this was right before the Piggy incident,
Trump was asked about the Epstein files and he snapped
at reporter Catherine Lucy when she tried to ask why
he wouldn't support their release. Then, as pressure mounted and
it became clear that Congress was going to pass this
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bill with or without him, Trump suddenly changed his entire course.
This past Sunday, he posted, House Republicans should vote to
release the Epstein files because we have nothing to hide
and it's time to move on from this Democrat hoax.
He's been calling it a Democrat hoax constantly. We have
nothing to hide. I mean, that's interesting considering that he's
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been blocking this release for months now. On Monday, he
told reporters, sure, I would sign it, Let the Senate
look at it, let anybody look at it, but don't
talk about it too much, because honestly, I don't want
to take it away from us. It's really a Democrat problem.
The Democrats were Epstein's friends, all of them, and it's
a hoax. And mister President, why don't you want to
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talk about it too much if it's just a Democrat problem,
when you want everyone talking about it, I mean, you're
basically a glorified carnival barker, you know, damn well he
would be screaming it on truth Social with his minions.
The bill passed Congress with overwhelming vice partisan support, surprise surprise,
and on Wednesday night, Trump posted on Truth Social, I
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just signed the bill to release the ebscene files. Democrats
have used the ebscene issue, which affects them far more
than the Republican Party, in order to try and distract
from our amazing victories. This latest hoax will backfire on
the Democrats, just as all of the rest have all
cabs multiple exclamation points so you can almost hear him
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seething resentment here. So what happens now exactly? While the
bill gives the Justice Department thirty days to make publicly
available in a searchable and downloadable format, all unclassified materials
related to the investigation into EBSTCEN and Julane Maxwell, but
there are exceptions. The DOJ can withhold victim's identities and
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medical files. They can withhold material that would jeopardize an
active federal investigation. They can withhold stuff for national security reasons.
The bill specifically states no record shall be withheld, delayed,
or redacted on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm, or
political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure, or
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foreign dignitary. I mean, that's good, but here's the question.
Will the DOJ actually follow that or will they claim
everything is part of an active investigation or a national
security concern. Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, who has had a
very public split with Trump over this issue, and we'll
talk more about that in a minute, said the administration's
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compliance with the bill is its real test. She asked,
will the Department of Justice release the files or will
it remain tied up in investigations? And that's actually a
really good question, Marge, and coming from someone who's usually
a Trump loyalist, I mean, it's a good example of
how skeptical even some of his own supporters are about
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the Epstein files. And it's actually kind of crazy because
I've seen both sides of the spectrum this week. I
have seen dozens of men defending Trump literally saying, Okay, well,
if he did did old children, he's still our president
and he's still doing a good job, and sorry for
the kids, but I'd vote for him anyway. I'm seeing
a whole lot of that which is disgusting and sick.
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And if you are like that, please get yourself some
fucking help or lobotomy, one or the other. Please. It's
just crazy, you guys. I just don't understand it. But
even more so, I'm seeing a lot of hardline Trump
supporters being like, no, man, I have to split up
with you at the thought of child rape. I'm sorry.
So that has actually been really nice to see that
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there is still some dignity there somewhere, that some people
do still have humanity and decency left. And let's talk
about what we already know. You know, House Democrats on
the Oversight Committee have been releasing documents for months now.
They've already put out over twenty thousand emails from the
Epstein estate, and these emails show that Trump and Epstein
were much closer than Trump has ever publicly admitted. We're
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talking emails where Ebstein refers to Trump as his closest
friend for ten years. Multiple people who knew both of them,
including one of Epstein's first victims, Maria Farmer, have described
them as best friends. There are photos of them together
at parties in the nineteen nineties early two thousands, video
footage of them laughing and chatting at mar A Lago
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in nineteen ninety two with NFL cheerleaders, Pictures of them
at Victoria's secret events. I mean because of course, Trump
flew on Epstein's private jet at least seven times, according
to the flight logs. Epstein attended Trump's wedding to Marlon Maples.
They were photographed together at mar A Lago multiple times.
In two thousand and two, Trump told New York magazine,
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I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a
lot of fun to be with. It is even said
that he likes beautiful women as much as I do.
And many of them are on the younger side. That
did not that that age poorly all. One of the
most damning documents release was a birthday letter Trump allegedly
wrote for Epstein's fiftieth birthday back in two thousand and
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three and has a drawing of a naked woman with
Trump's signature located in a provocative spot. The letter contains
an imagined dialogue where Donald tells Jeffrey, we have certain
things in common, Jeffrey, and concludes with a pal is
a wonderful thing. Happy birthday. It may every day be
another wonderful secret. Trump claims he didn't write or sign
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that letter, but a New York Times analysis showed that
the signature matches his personal correspondence from that era. Trump lied,
Oh wow, who would have guessed? Then they're the emails.
In a twenty nineteen email to journalist Michael Wolfe, Epstein
allegedly wrote about Trump. Of course he knew about the girls.
He asked Jelaane to stop. Another email references the victims
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spending hours at Epstein's time with Trump in twenty eleven.
Trump has repeatedly said that his friendship with Epstein ended
in the mid two thousands. He's given multiple explanations. Epstein
was banned from mar A Lago for hitting on a
member's daughter. Ebstein stole employees from mar A Lago. They
had a falling out over a real estate deal. Like
the story has changed, the timeline keeps changing depending on
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when and where Trump is asked. But what matters is
Trump's name appears throughout the Epsteine files, not as someone
accused of a crime. I mean, that's also important to note,
but as someone who was in Epstein's orbit for over
a decade. But when your name shows up hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times thousands,
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that's a little sus Epstein's survivor, Danny Benski, said, this
is not political for us. This is a survivor issue,
and we are grateful for all the individuals who came
together to make this happen. We are cautiously optimistic that
the release will focus on transparency so that the evildoers
can no longer live in the shadows that poor sweet
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summer child, Because that cautiously optimistic part of that sentence
is doing all of the work. You know, the thirty
day clock is ticking. We'll see what actually gets released,
but I'm not holding my breath for full transparency at all.
And the last thing I want to talk about here
is MAGA eating its own because this is kind of
what they're known for. But I need you to sit
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with this one for a minute, because the sheer cosmic irony, guys,
of what I'm about to tell you may cause your
brain to short circuit. Marjorie Taylor Green, Yes, that Marge.
That Marjorie Taylor Green, the woman who wore a MAGA
hat to Biden's State of the Union, the woman who
fought Trump's impeachment while her father was in brain surgery.
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The woman who traveled the country for years spending millions
of her own dollars to elect Donald Trump, who stood
outside the New York City courthouse defending him against Democrat
law fair that Marjorie Taylor Green just rage quit Congress
because Trump turned on her. And you know what Trump
said when he heard the news that she was quitting.
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I think it's great news for the country. It's great.
I mean, what the most loyal Maga foot soldier in
all of Congress gone cast aside? Not even that, I
mean the man that she gave everything for. He couldn't
be happier about it. He's like, peace, bitch, don't call.
And it's just wild to see because I think a
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lot of people would think, well, Trump needs all the
allies that he can get, you know, Marjorie. But Marjorie,
I mean, all of this is simming, guys, from her
calling for the release of the Epstein files. Does an
innocent person act that way and rage that hard over that? No?
And again, this all started because Marjorie was one of
the only and loudest Republicans demanding the DOJ release the
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full files on Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, she was one
of a couple, but she was absolutely the loudest, and
she has threatened to read connections and government on the floor.
She pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed. And that
was back when Trump was clearly trying to bury the
whole thing. He still thought there was a chance of that.
Last week, Trump went nuclear on her. He called her wacky.
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He called her a ranting lunatic. He said, and I quote,
all I've witnessed from Green in recent months is complain, complain, complain.
He complained that she was mad that he wasn't returning
her phone calls, saying I can't take a ranting lunatics
call every day. Then he branded her Marjorie Trader Green, which, honestly,
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that's kind of a good one. But he announced that
he was withdrawing his endorsement of her. He said he'd
fully support the right person if they challenged her in
the primary. You know, Trump's political operation was already receiving
inquiries from potential Republican challengers like for a bit now.
Marjorie Taylor Green has sacrificed everything for Trump. So earlier
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this evening, Green posted a four page stick in a
ten minute video announcing her resignation, which is effective January fifth.
In folks, this statement is freaking wild. I'm gonna read
just some of it, not all because it's super long,
but I'm gonna read a little. Marge said. It's also
absurd and completely unserious. I refuse to be a battered
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wife hoping it all goes away and gets better. A
battered wife like that's she described her relationship with Trump
and the MAGA movement that she herself helped build. She said,
I have too much self respect and dignity, love my
family way too much and do not want my sweet
district to have to endure a hopeful and hateful primary
against me by the president we all fought for only
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to fight and win my election, while Republicans will likely
lose the midterms and in turn be expected to defend
the president against impeachment after he hatefully dumped tens of
millions of dollars against me and tried to destroy me.
She is predicting Republicans will lose the House in the midterms,
and she's also predicting that Trump will be impeached again
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when they do. But here's the part that really is
kind of the most important. Here, Green explicitly connected her
downfall to the Epstein files. Quote. Standing up for American
women who were raped at fourteen, trafficked and used by rich,
powerful men should not result in me being called a
trader and threatened by the President of the United States,
whom I fought for. That's not subtle. She's directly linking
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Trump's rage at her to the Epstein transparency issue and
push She's saying that the man who promised to release
the files turned on her for actually trying to make
it happen, and in her video, Green said something that's
going to stick with me. She said, my self worth
is not defined by a man, but instead by God,
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which I'm not a believer. But she's on the offensive
right now. She also went after GOP leadership. She went
after Speaker Mike Johnson, who, by the way, she tried
to oust a speaker last year because he refused to
bring her bills to the floor. She called out Republicans
for the eight week government shutdown and said the House
should have been in session working every day to fix
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this disaster. Yes, Marge. She complained that the legislature has
been mostly sidelined. She criticized Trump for prioritizing meetings with
foreign leaders over addressing actual, you know, domestic issues like
health care costs. She even praised Nancy Pelosi's leadership skills
in a CNN interview, said that she was very impressed
at her ability to get things done. Marjorie Taylor Green
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praised Nancy Pelosi. Y'all, that's how far through the looking
glass we have gone. Let's be again clear about who
we are talking about here. This is the woman who
spread the conspiracy theories about pizzagate and QAnon. Suggested that
nine to eleven was an inside job, and that all
the mass shootings that we have are false flags. She
harassed Parklands shooting survivors children. She spoke at a white
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nationalist conference hosted by Nick Fuintes. She was stripped of
her committee assignments for her embrace of racist and anti
Semitic conspiracy theories. I am not shedding tears for Marjorie
Taylor Green. She herself personally did immense damage to this
country and to political discourse, and we are partially in
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the position that we are now because of her and
others like her. But here's the thing. Marjorie Taylor Green
didn't change. She's been ideologically consistent through all of this.
Her argument is just that Trump and the Republican Party changed,
that they fell short of that America First vision that
she signed up for. And when she pointed that out,
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when she pushed for something Trump didn't want, you know,
transparency on the obscene files, she was absolutely destroyed. And
that's how loyalty works in Trump world. It is solely
a one way street. You give everything, You sacrifice your time,
your family, your money, your reputation. You defend him through
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impeachments and indictments and lawsuits and the moment that you
step out of line or want something from him that
he's not fond of. The moment you question anything, your roadkill,
he has hit you, backed up over you, and just
left you for dead in that case in politics, with
drawing and endorsement and constantly should talk to you. And
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here's the kicker to all of this, you guys, which
today has been a day from the twilight zone. Green
resigned today, But then Trump also met with Zoron Mamdannie
in the Oval Office. He went from New York to Washington,
d C. To meet him. You know, the man that
Trump has spent months calling a communist lunatic. Well, suddenly
after meeting him, Trump's calling him rational and said he's
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cheering for him. A former Obama advisor, David Axelrod summed
it up pretty perfectly on X. He said, who had
on their bingo card that this week would begin with
Trump denouncing Marjorie Taylor Green as a trader and end
with his apparent successful meeting and warm verbal embrace of
Zoron Mamdannie. So I mean, let's do the man, Marjorie
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Taylor Green. Five years of total devotion, millions of dollars
spent her own family sacrifice, gets branded a trader and
driven out of Congress. Zorn Memdani, who called Trump a
fascist and a despot last week, gets an oval office
photo op and warm praise from Trump. Loyalty means nothing
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to Trump, nothing, results mean nothing. The only thing that
matters is whether you're useful to Trump in this moment,
and the second you're not. Your garbage. And Green's resignation
really shrinks that already raisor thin Republican majority in the House.
And what happens to Marjorie now? Like she says, she's
going back to the people I love to live life
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to the fullest. You know, she hasn't ruled out a
future return to politics, but some are even speculating about
a presidential run. And I can't even fathom. I mean,
obviously she would never in a million years be elected,
But I guess I can't say that anymore in this country,
can I I can't make statements that I feel as
though are reasonable to say, because but in any case,
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I am pretty sure that she's going to fade into obscurity.
I think that the most likely outcome here is what
she actually warned about in her own statement, she said,
if I am cast aside by MAGA Inc. And replaced
by Neo CON's big Pharma, big tech, military industrial war complex,
foreign leaders, and the elite donor class that can't even
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relate to real Americans, then many common Americans have been
cast aside and replaced as well. I mean, she is
right about that, even if she's wrong about everything else,
and probably the reason that that's happened, because here's the
thing at the end of the day, you, guys, If
Marjorie Taylor Green, I mean, the truest of true Trump believers,
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if she can be thrown away like yesterday's trash the
moment she becomes inconvenient, then what does that say to
every other MAGA loyaltist? It more, in my opinion, says
your next if you step out of line, welcome to
the party, Marge. Now you know how the rest of
us feel. And that's it for today. Guys. Again, you
are listening to Red White and Bruce courtesy of We
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