March 19, 2024 • 47 mins
For Part 19 of the Chris Chan Saga, Robin covers the spiraling Finachu Crisis, Chris having the police called on him at a My Little Pony/Brony convention, as well as one of the most infamous moments of Christory...the "wound" that was self-inflicted and made because of Subliminal Frequency Hypnosis Wizard Binaural Beats.
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Sunny spaces, smiling faces, happyplaces. But every sunny space holds a
shadow. Behind every smile, oursharp teeth, and every happy place has
something sinister lurking just below the surface. Welcome to We Saw the Devil,
the podcast diving deep into the chillingrealms of true crime. Join your host
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Robin as she unravels mysteries that haveleft investigators baffled and armchair sleuth's obsessed.
Be forewarned, dear listener, WeSaw the Devil is not for the faint
of heart. Our unflinching exploration willtake you to the darkest corners of the
psyche, and through the unimaginable depthsof human darkness, to unearthed stark secrets,
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to the harsh light of day.Nothing will be left untouched. Are
you ready? Are you sure?We Saw the Devil? Hello? Hell
everyone you are listening to We Sawthe Devil. This is Robin and yeah,
I'm back. I know I've saidthat before, but y'all, it
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has been a wild month and ahalf, like almost two months. I
got COVID again, then I gotthis weird follow up respiratory thing seasonal allergy
slash cold. I still have nohearing, whatsoever out of my left ear
So sincerest apologies in post and editingif I miss anything, because I am
partially deaf, But I've missed y'all, and I've missed talking about true crime
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and not so much Christian if you'vebeen following the we saw the Devil's Instagram.
But there's a lot to talk about, and I've been through it for
the last month and a half andI'm really excited to come back and discuss
all of these things with you.But yeah, how have all of you
been? I feel like I'm sofar outside the realm of true crime as
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it stands right now in terms ofcurrent news and case updates. I get
the Reddit updates for like the Moscow, Idaho case, a Musco for I
get case updates obviously for Lori Valo, like seeing Summer Shift lit is going
to be attending Crime Calm this year, which is taking place seriously legitimately here
in my city. Yeah, butI'm kind of outside the realm, so
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kicking back off, and I've gottena lot of messages and a lot of
emails from you guys with particular caserequests. As always, patrons, Patreon
patrons get first DIBs on that.All you need to know is that I
am back and I'm alive, partiallydov, but still alive. Other than
getting pretty sick, I did seeChelsea Wolf earlier this month, which was
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absolutely incredible. Random throw out there, but if you have the chance to
see Chelsea Wolf live, it isjust ethereal. I can't even begin to
describe it. She's absolutely amazing live. And I wasn't sure with the newest
album how that would turn out live, but it really, really, really
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is something special. I haven't watchedtoo many true crime documentaries or shows or
anything, to be honest with you, when I'm sick, I really just
want to watch kind of comfort shows, right like Spirited Away, And then
I actually rewatched I don't know.This is gonna date me. Okay,
this is going to date me.But do you guys remember on Nickelodeon in
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the Morning, the cartoon David theGnome if you have not. First of
all, it's my best That wasmy childhood show. That was the show
that maybe an animal lover that formativefor me. But I rewatched it over
the last month and a half andit is amazing, you guys, It
really stands the test of time.So I want to know where are my
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David the Gnome girlies out there,because I know, I know there were
some of you out there. Soif you watch David the Nome as a
kid, they have a message onthe Instagram for this particular episode, because
I have to know that I'm notthe only person out there. I feel
like I've gone my entire adult lifeasking other people if they've heard it or
watched David the Nome and they lookat me like I have a fetus growing
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out of the side of my head. I don't know what you're talking about,
y'all. Like it was on beforeor after Gullagala Island, I can't
remember, but far superior. Soyeah, I haven't really watched or done
much of anything related to true crime. To be honest with you, I
am kind of back in it withyou here. Also, I mean side
note entirely. I realize that thisI have cold medicine brain at the moment.
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But I know that this audience withthe Chris chan content is you know,
fifty percent for it and fifty percentagainst it. Half of you are
like, tie this shit up,and I respect that. So I mean,
back to what I was doing beforeevery other episode being you know,
a true crime, random true crimecase or news update, and then Chris
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Chan. I'm gonna try to getthe Chris Chan content wrapped up in like
three to four more episodes of it. It's going to be very abbreviated,
because you guys, it's now theend of an era. Yesterday, Gino
Samuel dropped episode eighty five of theComprehensive History of Chris Chan, and that
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is the episode that everyone has beenwaiting on for years, at least as
of right now. It is thefinal episode in that documentary series. It
is the conclusion, and yes,it covers the allegations of Chris Chan raping,
slash essaying, slash whatevering his eightyplus year old mother, and it
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covers it in detail. And I'mobviously going to cover that myself as well,
but I'm just gonna tell all ofyou, Gino Samuel does it better
than I ever could. And heplays the full call with Bella in that
episode, and I watched it earliertoday and I just it's it's been a
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while since I read it. Iactually don't think i've I haven't heard it
in a couple of years. Butit's the reason why I wanted to cover
Chris Chan to begin with. It'snot the fact that he acts ridiculous,
or the question of his cognitive functioningand level of autism, or him having
troll girlfriends and stuff like that.That's not why I started to cover Chris
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Chan to begin with. It's becauseChris Chan admitted to having a sexual relationship
with his own mother. He wentinto incredibly graphic detail about what he did
to his mother. He admitted thatshe had reservations and argued against it,
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like basically told him to stop inthe beginning of that activity, which definitely
indicates rape to me, especially becauseit's alleged and suspected that she has very
clear dementia, which I do believethat as well. And the fact that
Chris Chan was originally arrested, washeld in jail for a couple years basically
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the max sentence of what it wouldhave been originally, and then let off
and ultimately, I mean, that'strue crime, right, you guys committing
this heinous act against your senile mother, being arrested for it, admitting to
it multiple times, And that's somethingthat I was made. That was something
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that I was refamiliarized with the Geno'sdocumentary as well. In this episode,
is that Kristen just admitted to Bellain one phone call. He admitted it
multiple times. He admitted it multipletimes. It's crazy to me, it's
sad. I feel a whole bunchof different emotions about it. But that
to me today's episode by Gino Samuel. If you haven't seen it, or
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if you haven't even started it andyou want to know how all of that
went down with allegations, the leakedphone calls, the leaked emails and text
messages, check it out because we'regoing to be covering that probably in three
or four more episodes. I'm gonnareally try to get this tied up so
we can move forward into other casesthat may have a broader appeal for sure.
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And on a last note, I'malso this week, going to be uploading
a Patreon only episode two, andit is probably the most vulnerable I have
been in this entire podcast thus far. I'm really going to talk about some
of my life experiences and stuff thatI've been through and writing it was really
cathartic and really kind of hard tothe patrons who are listening to this episode
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be prepared for that this week.It's definitely the most intimate episode that I
will have produced thus far. Andapologies again for any sort of superfluous noise
in this particular episode. Like Isaid, I'm completely deaf in my left
ear. I have my rescue dogin my office with me and she's kind
of tap dancing around. It's currentlyfour am in the morning. Four A.
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That's kind of redundant, huh.It's four am, and my parent
also just woke up and started yelling. So basically, I'm doing my best.
Guys, I'm doing my best.So let's go ahead and pick up
where we left off previously. Thatis June of twenty sixteen. In the
previous episode, as I discussed inthat episode, there was a sex off
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that happened with the internetroll Johan.So if you guys recall, there was
a lesbian couple. They were actuallytrolls, and they were going to utilize
Chris for his sperm as a spermdonor, and Chris was in talks with
them online just as a potential matchthere. But Chris lost the sex off.
And what that meant was that theinternetroll Johann basically won the lesbian couple,
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and it was ridiculous, but Christruly believed it. Other than that,
Chris was on quote unquote high arousalalert this month investing in a new
anime, sex Pillow, and hedecided to make a video with it and
introduced her to the world. Butmore importantly, in June of twenty sixteen,
Chris filed a petition to legally changehis name to Christine Weston Chandler.
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But like I've mentioned in the lasttwo episodes, we've approached the finitue crisis.
And what I mean by finitue crisisis this Chris at this point basically
just goes into a constant begging fordonations mode. He makes YouTube videos and
Facebook posts asking people for food,toys, things that he needs, and
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even medication or surgeries for his motherBarb and Barb actually appears in two of
these videos and she does not lookwell at all. And again, guys,
we're in twenty twenty four now,right. All this Chris chan stuff
went down in twenty twenty, butwe're talking about twenty sixteen right now.
So as early as twenty sixteen,Barb did not appear well on camera and
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people were concerned. Because I'm goingto play a video right now where Chris
claims that he needs one hundred dollarsfor her asthma, just so you can
get a sample of the nature ofthese videos. Hello, is Christine Chanderer
coming to you live from home,and I definitely have a more urgent and
special request. My mother really needsher medication for her asthma. That's right,
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that's her right there, Barbara.Anyway, it's like one hundred dollars,
so it really need the money becausewe don't have one hundred dollars.
So yeah, just like I saidearlier, you can send all donations directly
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to my email I addressed via PayPaland if you don't know how, there's
a link to a video underneath thisone, So please help us. I
have a good day, Thank you, and y'all what is so insane about
most of these videos is that Chrisis back in branch Link Court because remember
there was the house fire where itcaught on fire due to the coffee pot
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being hooked up in the bathroom andbeing saw at the door, sawing it
and basically creating a spark. He'sback in branch Lin Court from the other
house that they had while the homewas being mitigated the fire and stuff.
The hoarding situation is what caused thatfire. But now Chris is back at
branch Lin Court making these begging videosin a room that is positively stuffed with
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thousands of action figures and no,I'm not exaggerating or joking thousands. And
it's clear that he's spending most ofhis tugboat or if you're new here,
his social Security on collectibles and toys. And then he runs out of money
and then goes to the Internet tobeg for more money for bills and stuff.
It becomes just this whole cycle.This is also the month where Stephanie
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Buscakes was discovered. But don't gettoo excited because if you read the ad,
Chris doesn't do anal but we discussedStephanie Buscakes in the previous episode as
well. If you want to hearall about that in his glory and listen
to the video, head back tothe previous episode. Okay, y'all,
So July of twenty sixteen, weare finally here. I am so excited
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about this episode in particular because this, for me was one of the biggest
like what the fuck moments of Chris'sdescent into literal madness. Okay, so
let's begin July twenty sixteen. We'regonna begin it with a post that Chris
made on Reddit on July third.Now, around this time, Chris became
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obsessed with the idea that all CISmen had a hidden theagene near their genitals,
specifically their taint. So again,Chris became obsessed with the idea that
all CIS men, for those ofyou who are unaware that means biologically and
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a self identified male, that theyall have a hidden vagina deep inside the
tissues of their taints. So hisFacebook post read quote, Hey boys,
get ready to have your minds blown. As Planet Dolan has said, everyone
is female inside the womb until ifand when the hy chromosome mutates the girl
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to be a boy, which whenyou really think about it with everyone being
female initially, even pre birth beingquote unquote manly or manliness is very much
made up anyhow, And you cantry this at home in private, push
although tough, into the center ofthe skin patch between your legs the taint.
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You may find one or two grooveshidden under there. One of them,
yes, is your unbirthable vagina,since the uterus would be shrunk during
the Yat mutation punchline. If everygay male knew about this, all they'd
have to do is cut their taintand they'd have a hole, and they'd
have a whole new hole to playwith. Seriously, though, maybe professional
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surgery would be best for that businessopening, or for the price of Wi
Fi and your YouTube viewing device,you could try opening it in as soon
as six months less if listened tomore often with a subliminal track. Check
out this one from my favorite channelthat offers it on YouTube. So in
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July of twenty sixteen, Chris wastalking about match taint vaginas on Biological Mails
and he started listening to this randomYouTube channel, which I'll get into more
in a moment, But that postwas very much sadly a harbinger of what
was to come. Just a coupleweeks later, Chris then uploads a desperate
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video where he begs for donations.And I know I've stated this before,
but this house is just filling upwith toys and he's obviously using his TUGU
about money for it. Like,I can't really describe the general public sentiment
on Chris, because it went fromlaughing stock with the Julee saga and the
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others and the troll girlfriends, tothe fire happened, and people feeling really
bad for Chris coming together as anInternet community, even people who bullied him
horrifically and sending him money to tryto help to Now Chris is, you
know the girlfriend saga, the tomgirl saga, been going through all of
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these different situations, and and publicsupport is starting to wane a little bit,
if you get my drift. Inany case, one part of the
video said, quote, help pleasehelp help keep me and my mother fed.
Seventy four years old, she istwo dogs, two cats, got
a family of kittens in the backyard, and I'm still looking for my sweetheart.
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You think I'm famous enough to getwomen. I have not been so
fortunate. And yes, I've onlyhad sex two times ever in my lifetime,
so I'm not a virgin. Andif they were both in the same
month, and that was more thanfour years ago. Oh, you think
your life su sucks because you're dwellingin your mother's basement. You darn dirty
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internet trolls and cyberbullies. Think ofhow it is in my head. No,
thank you. But on July thirteenth, Chris uploaded the infamous video titled
Donations Further Requested Please. Except here'sthe thing. Barb by herself appears in
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this video instead of Chris entirely,Chris is not in the video. He's
filming Barb. She says they needdonations for her dental work, and in
this video she looks incredibly confused,like she doesn't know what's going on.
It's incredibly concerning. But let's goback a little bit to early twenty sixteen.
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That subliminal frequency thing about the taint, about the taint vagina. So
Chris discovered a YouTube channel called SubliminalFrequency Hypnosis Wizard Binural Beats. Yes,
that's a mouthful, Subliminal frequency hypnosisWizard Binural Beats. The channel hosted videos
that utilize binural sounds for a varietyof things, but primarily what it referred
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to as gender dysphoria. It saysbinoral beats are an auditory illusion that occurs
when you listen to two tones atdifferent frequencies in differentfer ears, your brain
creates a third tone, called abinormal beat at the frequency difference between the
two tones. And this particular YouTubeplaylist claimed to be able to, among
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other things, increase breast size andalso transform a penis into a vagina.
And again, if you were callingprevious episodes I've done, Chris was obsessed
with his breast size he had morerecently topped in the previous year or two,
massaging them, playing with them,and then he documented any perceived growth,
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and that YouTube channel promised that listeningto the videos would help enlarge breasts
and also cause his inner amand's innervagina to descend. It is a whole
other level of looney tunes. OnJuly twenty fourth, a little after ten
am, Chris made the following Facebookpost, and guys, bear with me,
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it's long that I truly believe thatit kind of paints the full picture
of his mental state at this time. Again, we are descending still further
into madness. So July twenty fourth, twenty sixteen, at eleven forty am
announcement, as a number of onlinepeople may be aware, I have been
grooving with the subliminal frequencies and binuralbeats towards my transition from male to female
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body, the source being the subliminalfrequency Hypnosis Wizards Binurmal Beats channel on YouTube.
Last March, I've started simple withgrowing my breast out with their breast
Control hormone track. It worked tomy amazement at a full inch outward per
week in about two months. I'vealso listened to change my nipples to teats.
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As well as being that's a hardone to keep a straight face on
m I've also listened to change mynipples to teats as well as begin producing
breast milk, also related from aseparate track on another channel. I have
eased and cured the war of myautism too, But since last May,
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I decided to take it a stepfurther and begin my transition from male to
female with the penis to vagina tracks, including the individual organ changing tracks and
for a while the intersex track andtwo Fridays ago July fifteenth, while I
slept that night, my labia startedsplitting open and I found the initial hole
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and blood the next morning, andover the few days that followed, the
labia opened to its full length andI've been dealing with the blood that came
out. I've been keeping it cleandaily, monitoring it and treating it with
rubbing alcohol. I have started thewheels in motion for the full HRT and
SRS by seeing my doctor last Friday, because I felt like I didn't want
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to wait much longer to fully becomethe woman that I should have been born.
As with that, I've uploaded aphoto of my labia for all eighteen
and older individuals to see. ButI do not want to be overrun with
tabloid and paparazzi attention over this orhave a total big deal made. As
from my own statement to quote,I will state the following. Have belief
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in faith in what your body cando and with such binaural beats and frequencies,
as well as persistence and patience,what you'd like can happen for you.
And if you'd like to offer yoursupport in my transition as well,
I accept financial donations via PayPal tomy email address Chris chance On chew at
aol dot com. Thank you,and have a good and safe day.
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Can you imagine being friends with Chrischan on Facebook, whether an old classmate,
I mean, he had old teacherson there, he had a couple
family members I believe, on Facebookgal pals and coming across and reading that
because that's what happens, and Ican't honestly fathom that. But what absolutely
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lays me out is the comments tothat very first post. Jessica Quinn,
one of Chris's Facebook friends, said, fuck it, I'm out. I
don't even know what one can sayabout this. Why would you post something
this messed up? Good luck withwhatever it is you're trying to do with
your life. I tried. Ijust don't get it. Why would you
post this kind of stuff? Youwere just complaining about how people invade every
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aspect of your life and that youwouldn't share anything so personal, and now
you do this. I don't evenknow what to think right now. My
mind is blown. Kenneth Engelhart said, I would advise most strongly against any
nude photos of yourself on the Internet. It's prime trolling stuff, and it
comes across exercising extremely poor judgment.Jessica is absolutely one hundred percent correct in
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this. Your nude photos of yourquote unquote equipment have absolutely no place on
the internet. Quinn said Ken,it's a little more serious than that.
This could be a major health problembrewing. What's more important is his health.
Whomever is putting Christine up to this, please stop. This could lead
to a serious, life threatening healthproblem. I know many people follow what
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goes on on this page. Whomeveris pulling the strings really needs to stop.
It's sick and twisted and a lifecould very well be at stake here.
Please Christine West and Chandler go andget looked at. I support your
right to be who you want,but this is a very serious matter.
Ken then responded and said, Christine, this could be a sign of an
infection setting in. Do you understandthat if this gets into your bloodstream you
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could very well end up at theICU at the hospital. This isn't transitioning,
This is endangering your health for nothing. This is bullshit. You have
a family member who is dependent onyour well being. Melanie said, she's
evolving, evolving, I tell you, and then Chafe said, I'm so
confused, same same because so manypeople were piling on and asking him if
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he'd gone to the hospital or hadsomeone take a look at it. He
made a second Facebook post that said, feeling annoyed, I have had my
labia area examined last night. Noinfection at all, I am clean.
Very clearly Chris had not had examinedbecause it was very clearly infected and something
was very very wrong with it.So basically there was a back There was
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a back and forth on the Internetof people trying to convince Chris to go
into the hospital, and he finallyactually did two days later. Apparently Chris
had gone and sought treatment for itand got a cream and you know,
stuff to take care of the wound, which that's what it absolutely was.
So what happened was Chris was pressuredinto going to the emergency room, which
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he did, except he lied tothe doctors at the ER and told them
that his testicles hurt, that hisball's hurt, and so the doctors gave
him some extra strength kylon all andsaid go home. So Chris showed copies
of the er discharge papers to randompeople on the Internet to prove that he
had gone. But it was veryclear because Chris isn't very bright of the
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reason given to the doctors, andso that was found out and uncovered,
and so finally he was basically bulliedinto going back to the er. And
what happened to you guys, isthat Chris took a kitchen knife and cut
his taint wide open in order tofree the vagina that he believed was waiting
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to descend. Again, Chris chantook a kitchen knife to his own taint,
cut it deeply open to free thevagina that he believed was waiting to
descend. Yes September, same thing, Chris kept begging for money. He
went to a Pride festival there inCharlottesville, he got a new cat,
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and more so, he started postinga lot of videos and a lot of
content, and also just on Facebookas well, hating on Donald Trump.
He hated Donald Trump, and hestarted really really posting a lot about him
October as well, finding true crisisall the way begging for money. By
November he pretty much was just sendingNonStop death threats to Trump and posting about
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Trump. Then we head into twentyseventeen. I guess the big highlight there
is that Chris tried to donate blood, but was told that he couldn't because
he is transgender. He spent alot of time again just railing and going
off against Trump and sending open lettersto Trump's family members and posting them all
over the internet. Nothing really happenedin February more of the same. March
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of twenty seventeen, he just kindof became more unhinged. He went on
a rant against voice actress Tara Strongand her friend regarding his half brother,
Cole Smithy. The remember, hishalf brother basically disowned their mother and he
left as a kid, never lookedback, and Chris had only met him
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a handful of times. Chris reallywanted his half brother to come home and
take care of Barbes so he couldgo off and you know, find a
sweetheart. He began harassing at Bronyconvention that was based out of California for
gas money, basically to give himmoney so that he could drive from Virginia
all the way to California to attendthe Brony Convention. He was just becoming
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more and more and more present andvocal online. Really. April twenty seventeen
marked the one year anniversary of theFinancide crisis. And it became known at
this point that there really actually wasa crisis going on. Also, in
the previous episode, I talked abouthow Barb had to go to court multiple
times because you know, they couldn't. They weren't paying their bills, one
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of those being the mortgage. Sothere was a payment company middleman between Barb
and the mortgage company. Right,that was part of the lawsuit, the
ruling in that lawsuit. So theyhadn't been getting paid. Barb had not
been making or Chris for that matter, he was a funk. He wasn't
I don't know how functional, buthe was an adult. No one had
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been making mortgage payments. Why becauseChris had been wasting all of that money
in most of the donations on gamesand anime or game collectibles or sex dollars
and pillows. So Chris ends upselling his sonic totem for fifteen hundred dollars.
Now with that fifteen hundred dollars thathe made, again, he did
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it out of supposed desperation. Doeshe pay the mortgage, No? Does
he pay any bills? No.He buys Barb a four hundred dollar necklace
and himself some toys and frappuccinos fromStarbucks, and then just a couple weeks,
like two weeks later, Barb wouldbe seen on camera yet again begging
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for money for an electric bill whilewearing the four hundred dollar necklace that Chris
had bought her. People and bypeople, I mean the abs, every
Chris Chan observer, everyone at thatpoint, with the visual of that necklace
on Barb, everyone was tired andover it. Nothing truly spectacular happens,
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I would say over the next fivesix months, just pretty much more of
the same, and we're gonna makeit to October twenty, Chris announced to
the world that he planned to meetJessica Quinn in person on October six.
Now, Jessica Quinn was a veryobvious troll, and the day before he
was supposed to meet her, shebroke up with him and shut down her
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Facebook and all of her social mediaaccounts, and she told Chris that it
was because of the trolls harassing her. Chris reacted very poorly to this,
and by that I mean he recordedand posted one of the most I would
say iconic videos from all of Christy, I mean since the start of the
Tom Girl saga. I'm going toplay some of that video right now,
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And if you've been listening to thispodcast or watching the promo videos that I
posted about this Christian series, you'veno doubt seen it. So I'm just
gonna play a couple seconds of it. Mary upset right now, I open
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myself. Fuck you, damn bunchof internet trolls. You this fits?
What the fuck? You hated?A hard count? You want to don
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her face? Fucket? God,damn miserable wordless quetness, just a storn
a road light and ship you Ohwe wanted on? Now what's my bas
of mind? And abb it is? I thought y'all wanted that for me
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too, that obviously I was suffocking. Raw you read this storble, this
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is got funny and go laugh.This is not fine, That's sure,
there's good I's talk about wo hadbought over. You all are just ultimately
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really crazy. You are so superfucked up cursed. Good fie. Now,
Also in October of twenty seventeen,we have what I consider to be
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the most important influence on modern Chris, the Chris that we know today in
twenty twenty four and also the completeand total destruction of his sense of reality.
And that would be the idea guy. And I'm going to directly read
this from the quickie, okay,because I don't want any detail spare.
In September of twenty seventeen, JoshuaWise contacted Chris to commission artwork, and
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so they started talking with the twoin contact, Wise decided to see for
himself Chris's gullibility. In late Octobertwenty seventeen, he again contacted Chris,
posing as John Yamada. As Yamada, Wise claimed to be a soldier from
Gamma Industry, a location set inthe fictional video game franchise Hyperdimension Neptunia,
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and inquired if Chris still had hisold Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it
contained a possible portal into Quickville.Quickville being Chris Chan's you know, magical
Charlotteesville equivalent in his anime Souna Chewcomic books, right like Quickville was a
fictional location of his comic It's nota Real Place. Josh Wise used the
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lure from Neptunia to play into Chris'sexisting preconceptions about reality and his belief that
fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions,giving him validation over those beliefs, which
primed Chris for falling under Wise's spelland eventually encouraged him to retreat further into
his fantasy world to cope with hisreal world problems. And I do not
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want to just read word for wordfrom things, guys, but this is
a very pivotal moment in Christory,and so I just want to read the
Quickie here. And there's also alot of details, so I just want
to make sure it's all correct.After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's
ability to access Quickvill's dimension, Joshbegan to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his
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own ideas. He also undermined Chris'sattempts to restore his fantasy world. As
Wise put it, quote, Christhinks he has a psychic link to Quickvill,
but every time he tries to changethe scenario to his will, I
always say, it fucks up andmakes things worse. For example, in
December of twenty seventeen, Wise toldChris that Jamsta, a fictional DJ in
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Quickville, had been arrested for molestingPunchy and tales to Sounachu. Chris,
not liking this development, tried tohave Jamsta acquitted. He tried, using
his psychic link to Quickville to convincethe judge to acquit Jamsta. That why
is countered by telling Chris that thejudge didn't believe him since he had stepped
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down as mayor if you recall Chrisstepped down as mayor in a previous episode
issue of Sonochue. Chris then triedto influence the jury, but why is
again countered that by telling but whyis again countered by telling him that while
it worked and Jamsta was acquitted,as a consequence, a mob was out
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to get Jamsta, sending a photoof rioting as proof. In another example,
Wise role played as the Chris ofQuickville and claimed to be a Satanist
and that atheism, Neptunia, andIslam were the main beliefs of Quickville as
Christianity had been forgotten and after hehad stepped down his mayor so the real
world. Chris reacted to this informationby saying Angelica would enforce Christianity again,
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and Wise countered that by telling himAngelica became a Satanist and more people were
converting to Islam. Chris was alsoso suggestible under Wise's influence that at times,
Wise would float an idea and Chris'simagination would run wild with the concept.
Remember when I told you a momentago that the John Yamada persona like
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when it told Chris that the secondDreamcast had a portal. After he learned
that, Chris decided to run theconsole for twenty four hours, placed his
hand on it, and felt ashock. He imagined that it meant that
Neptunia goddess within it was possessing him. Furthermore, after having been in contact
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with Josh Wise's Neptunia CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion
in favor of Neptunia, and onereason he cited was that he could quote
actually communicate with the Neptunia goddesses.Eventually, after the idea guys were ousted,
the influence resulted in Chris identifying asa goddess CPU blue Heart. Now,
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y'all, if you go to Twitterright now, which is what I
am doing, and you type inChris Chan, what comes up is Chris's
account, and Chris's Twitter account andbasically all of his online accounts. Now
it's under Jesus Christ. Chan Saunachewhyphen cpu blue Heart. This is why
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Chris calls themselves a goddess goddess blueHeart. Sometimes Chris will refer to himself
as and that is strictly due tothe influence from Josh Wise and the Idea,
guys. In another instance, Chrisbelieved that his past quickvill counterpart,
you know, the Saunachew Chris fromthe comic, his comic version of himself,
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had been kidnapped by Nazis and givenSatanic powers. So Wise pushed him
further and told real world Chris thathis past counterpart had abolished women's rights to
enable his love quest, and thathe had helped the Nazis win World War
Two. Chris then immediately illustrated hismodern Quickville counterpart, confronting and assaulting his
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past life. When and this issomething that I haven't covered almost at all
in this podcast or in this seriesbecause it would just drag on and you
guys would probably be miserable. Isthe content in sona Chew the comics itself.
I kind of touched on it inthe very very early episodes, especially
when Chris would write it in randomInternet trolls or sweethearts or you know,
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the dean of the school, andwhen a lot of his real life,
you know, life imitating art imitatinglife kind of stuff happened. But then
it just kind of became batshit andit's so out there, and I don't
think most of you really care aboutthe plot line of Chris Chan's comic,
but this is really where it kindof starts to go off the rails as
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well, primarily with Idea Guys andhis new influence and Chris believing now because
you know, the narcissism and theself aggrandizement of Chris believing themselves to be
a goddess. It's a whole mess. It's a whole mess. On April
tenth, Chris came out as bisexual, and if you've been listening to this
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series for a while, you knowhow flabbergasting that fact is by itself.
On Facebook, he wrote, Irealized with my sweethearts that I am a
bisexual. So I will be needingto get a bisexual colored flag to replace
this one. Celebrate lesbian pride foryourself with my full kindness and support.
Chris's entire life, and especially alot of his most colorful reactions to Internet
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trolls back in the past had beenbecause people would call him gay or pretend
that he was ga, or thathe had had sex with another man,
and so for Chris to come outas bisexual was actually pretty astounding. On
May tenth, Chris had reached prettymuch an ultimate breaking point. At that
time. He was lashing out andbeing pretty much overtly shitty to any person
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who reached out to him for anyreason whatsoever, and he posted the following
video, which I'm posting audio ofhere because you can tell Chris is incredibly
off here. So let's go aheadand listen to this video. Oh good
thing already alive from the hole.And I'm gonna tell you, y'all,
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I'll tell you what. Yes,it was made. I'm a dolls od
Hey, hey, hey, god, Durang commentary, Tory commentary. They
are I'm t I mean hate lord, I'm very stressed up. I'm hollowed
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holding a bird. Oh been ason of Marrow and the vigil. My
father always told me to stick upfor a stud, up for myself,
and he always said the same thingyou know he did. He told you
all they address off this very houseand her phone number. Tell you like
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you know, you know what.You walk about us, walk about us,
you loo come at us. Overall, it was I just turn the
constant day to day to day today to day, day to day day
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he did, and like a heardperson many many many years ago, my
kindness, Gerossie's tent a bit betalking about a job will not be tolerate,
and I would not tolerate anymar herfuck habits are bers ramey? Are
(42:15):
you spiteful? Hatey people? Edibaryou bear ship up, be kind,
be curious or that you can tellby listening here that Chris is definitely one
sandwich short of his picnic basket,even more so than than normal. In
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June twenty seventeen, Chris attended twoMany Games, which was an annual convention
that took place in Philadelphia. Onday two, it was being reported that
Chris was being handsy with and kissingattendees who tried to get pictures with him,
and ultimately he was kicked out ofthat convention. And this is another
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huge moment, Christy, because itwas so public. Chris reacted to this
by having a complete Toddler style meltdownin the venue and he curled up on
the floor in a fetal position andwas crying and you know, kind of
shaking and yelling. They actually calledthe police and brought in an escort to
get Chris out of there. Anonline user by the name of jab fifty
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yen actually sat and helped Chris alongsidethe mother of another autistic child who was
also attending the event, and theyquite literally sat in the floor with Chris,
you know, rubbed the mom.The mom was also a nurse,
and so she kind of recognized whatwas going on also again mother of an
autistic child, and so she would, you know, kind of rub him
on the back and comforted him.Her name was Linda, and just ultimately
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they were able to get Chris upand out of the venue. But the
user jab fifty en he was talkingabout how the police were just kind of
like, what the fuck is goingon here, and that they were starting
to be rough and aggressive with Chris, and he and this woman had to
basically tell the cops, let ushandle it, let us handle it.
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We you know, he's well known, he's autistic, Like, let us
help him. And they did,and they were able to get Chris out.
Of course, Chris denied any wrongdoing. Whatsoever. He went on multiple
you know, Facebook and Internet rantsabout how he did nothing wrong and that
people wanted to kiss him and thathe wasn't a predator or anything like that.
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But he That's the thing about Chris, y'all, is that Chris has
shown repeatedly that he actually is apredator. And again, I mean,
I'm at the end of this episode. Now we're actually going to stop right
here. And if you need furtherproof of that again episode eighty five of
Gino Samuel the Comprehensive, you know, Chris Chandock because it is a nightmare
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in assess Pool. But we're goingto stop right here at June of twenty
seventeen. But again, I'm givingthe series just three to four more episodes
to tie up and put a bowon it, and and we're going to
move forward. But what do youall think of Chris Chan so far?
Again, I know that maybe it'skind of fifty to fifty split on whether
people care about Chris Chan or not. And I'm just curious what do you
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guys think? And I think that'swhy I find Chris Chan so fascinating as
a whole, is not only hashe been able to completely evade justice or
consequences for any of his previous actions. Really, And that was another crazy
thing too while watching Geno Samuel documentaryearlier today the new episode is that I
had just forgotten how Chris admitted toit very very very very specific acts,
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you guys. And I'm not sayingChris was like, yeah, I did
my mom. Chris went into detail, explicit sexual graphic detail on how he
touched her and how they did stuffand what they did. And that's something
that I've struggled with too. Imean, through all of this is just
Chris is not high functioning. Hecan barely take care of himself. I'm
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even concerned that he has a licenseand drives by himself. But alas,
But what we all have to remembertoo is that Chris is manipulative, and
he is aware of how to dothis right. He's not just sitting there
completely completely oblivious to every single socialclue. He does know right from wrong.
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He's shown many times how he triesto manipulate and lie and so on
and so forth, and that hedoes know that it's wrong. So I
have very very little empathy overall forit. But I digress, y'all,
that is it for today's episode?Again, I'm going to be putting out
a very intimate and personal episode forthe Patreon patrons this week. I would
(46:42):
love to get another chat scheduled sowe can all hop on Discord and if
you have a mic, you canhop on Mike. The next episode.
Haven't decided yet on the case orwhether it's going to be a news update
episode, but I feel like there'sa lot of stuff going on in Idaho
right now that I would like totalk about because I find the upcoming legal
battle and the legal strategy just reallyfascinating in the Brian Coberger case. But
(47:05):
in any case, later this weekthere'll be a second episode dropping as well.
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and so just sincere early apologies ifthe episode is not edited perfectly in this
(47:50):
case, that's it for today,y'all, until next crime
Sunny spaces, smiling faces, happyplaces. But every sunny space holds a
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something sinister lurking just below the surface. Welcome to We Saw the Devil,
the podcast diving deep into the chillingrealms of true crime. Join your host
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Be forewarned, dear listener, WeSaw the Devil is not for the faint
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to the harsh light of day.Nothing will be left untouched. Are
you ready? Are you sure?We Saw the Devil? Hello? Hell
everyone you are listening to We Sawthe Devil. This is Robin and yeah,
I'm back. I know I've saidthat before, but y'all, it
(01:10):
has been a wild month and ahalf, like almost two months. I
got COVID again, then I gotthis weird follow up respiratory thing seasonal allergy
slash cold. I still have nohearing, whatsoever out of my left ear
So sincerest apologies in post and editingif I miss anything, because I am
partially deaf, But I've missed y'all, and I've missed talking about true crime
(01:36):
and not so much Christian if you'vebeen following the we saw the Devil's Instagram.
But there's a lot to talk about, and I've been through it for
the last month and a half andI'm really excited to come back and discuss
all of these things with you.But yeah, how have all of you
been? I feel like I'm sofar outside the realm of true crime as
(01:57):
it stands right now in terms ofcurrent news and case updates. I get
the Reddit updates for like the Moscow, Idaho case, a Musco for I
get case updates obviously for Lori Valo, like seeing Summer Shift lit is going
to be attending Crime Calm this year, which is taking place seriously legitimately here
in my city. Yeah, butI'm kind of outside the realm, so
(02:19):
kicking back off, and I've gottena lot of messages and a lot of
emails from you guys with particular caserequests. As always, patrons, Patreon
patrons get first DIBs on that.All you need to know is that I
am back and I'm alive, partiallydov, but still alive. Other than
getting pretty sick, I did seeChelsea Wolf earlier this month, which was
(02:39):
absolutely incredible. Random throw out there, but if you have the chance to
see Chelsea Wolf live, it isjust ethereal. I can't even begin to
describe it. She's absolutely amazing live. And I wasn't sure with the newest
album how that would turn out live, but it really, really, really
(03:00):
is something special. I haven't watchedtoo many true crime documentaries or shows or
anything, to be honest with you, when I'm sick, I really just
want to watch kind of comfort shows, right like Spirited Away, And then
I actually rewatched I don't know.This is gonna date me. Okay,
this is going to date me.But do you guys remember on Nickelodeon in
(03:22):
the Morning, the cartoon David theGnome if you have not. First of
all, it's my best That wasmy childhood show. That was the show
that maybe an animal lover that formativefor me. But I rewatched it over
the last month and a half andit is amazing, you guys, It
really stands the test of time.So I want to know where are my
(03:44):
David the Gnome girlies out there,because I know, I know there were
some of you out there. Soif you watch David the Nome as a
kid, they have a message onthe Instagram for this particular episode, because
I have to know that I'm notthe only person out there. I feel
like I've gone my entire adult lifeasking other people if they've heard it or
watched David the Nome and they lookat me like I have a fetus growing
(04:05):
out of the side of my head. I don't know what you're talking about,
y'all. Like it was on beforeor after Gullagala Island, I can't
remember, but far superior. Soyeah, I haven't really watched or done
much of anything related to true crime. To be honest with you, I
am kind of back in it withyou here. Also, I mean side
note entirely. I realize that thisI have cold medicine brain at the moment.
(04:28):
But I know that this audience withthe Chris chan content is you know,
fifty percent for it and fifty percentagainst it. Half of you are
like, tie this shit up,and I respect that. So I mean,
back to what I was doing beforeevery other episode being you know,
a true crime, random true crimecase or news update, and then Chris
(04:48):
Chan. I'm gonna try to getthe Chris Chan content wrapped up in like
three to four more episodes of it. It's going to be very abbreviated,
because you guys, it's now theend of an era. Yesterday, Gino
Samuel dropped episode eighty five of theComprehensive History of Chris Chan, and that
(05:09):
is the episode that everyone has beenwaiting on for years, at least as
of right now. It is thefinal episode in that documentary series. It
is the conclusion, and yes,it covers the allegations of Chris Chan raping,
slash essaying, slash whatevering his eightyplus year old mother, and it
(05:31):
covers it in detail. And I'mobviously going to cover that myself as well,
but I'm just gonna tell all ofyou, Gino Samuel does it better
than I ever could. And heplays the full call with Bella in that
episode, and I watched it earliertoday and I just it's it's been a
(05:53):
while since I read it. Iactually don't think i've I haven't heard it
in a couple of years. Butit's the reason why I wanted to cover
Chris Chan to begin with. It'snot the fact that he acts ridiculous,
or the question of his cognitive functioningand level of autism, or him having
troll girlfriends and stuff like that.That's not why I started to cover Chris
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Chan to begin with. It's becauseChris Chan admitted to having a sexual relationship
with his own mother. He wentinto incredibly graphic detail about what he did
to his mother. He admitted thatshe had reservations and argued against it,
(06:38):
like basically told him to stop inthe beginning of that activity, which definitely
indicates rape to me, especially becauseit's alleged and suspected that she has very
clear dementia, which I do believethat as well. And the fact that
Chris Chan was originally arrested, washeld in jail for a couple years basically
(07:03):
the max sentence of what it wouldhave been originally, and then let off
and ultimately, I mean, that'strue crime, right, you guys committing
this heinous act against your senile mother, being arrested for it, admitting to
it multiple times, And that's somethingthat I was made. That was something
(07:25):
that I was refamiliarized with the Geno'sdocumentary as well. In this episode,
is that Kristen just admitted to Bellain one phone call. He admitted it
multiple times. He admitted it multipletimes. It's crazy to me, it's
sad. I feel a whole bunchof different emotions about it. But that
to me today's episode by Gino Samuel. If you haven't seen it, or
(07:48):
if you haven't even started it andyou want to know how all of that
went down with allegations, the leakedphone calls, the leaked emails and text
messages, check it out because we'regoing to be covering that probably in three
or four more episodes. I'm gonnareally try to get this tied up so
we can move forward into other casesthat may have a broader appeal for sure.
(08:11):
But before we get into that,just quick housekeeping so you know where
to find the show. We sawThe Devil on Twitter and Facebook. We
saw the Devil podcast on Instagram.And then if you want to follow me
and the food I eat, theconcerts I go to, and the dogs
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And on a last note, I'malso this week, going to be uploading
a Patreon only episode two, andit is probably the most vulnerable I have
been in this entire podcast thus far. I'm really going to talk about some
of my life experiences and stuff thatI've been through and writing it was really
cathartic and really kind of hard tothe patrons who are listening to this episode
(08:58):
be prepared for that this week.It's definitely the most intimate episode that I
will have produced thus far. Andapologies again for any sort of superfluous noise
in this particular episode. Like Isaid, I'm completely deaf in my left
ear. I have my rescue dogin my office with me and she's kind
of tap dancing around. It's currentlyfour am in the morning. Four A.
(09:20):
That's kind of redundant, huh.It's four am, and my parent
also just woke up and started yelling. So basically, I'm doing my best.
Guys, I'm doing my best.So let's go ahead and pick up
where we left off previously. Thatis June of twenty sixteen. In the
previous episode, as I discussed inthat episode, there was a sex off
(09:41):
that happened with the internetroll Johan.So if you guys recall, there was
a lesbian couple. They were actuallytrolls, and they were going to utilize
Chris for his sperm as a spermdonor, and Chris was in talks with
them online just as a potential matchthere. But Chris lost the sex off.
And what that meant was that theinternetroll Johann basically won the lesbian couple,
(10:05):
and it was ridiculous, but Christruly believed it. Other than that,
Chris was on quote unquote high arousalalert this month investing in a new
anime, sex Pillow, and hedecided to make a video with it and
introduced her to the world. Butmore importantly, in June of twenty sixteen,
Chris filed a petition to legally changehis name to Christine Weston Chandler.
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But like I've mentioned in the lasttwo episodes, we've approached the finitue crisis.
And what I mean by finitue crisisis this Chris at this point basically
just goes into a constant begging fordonations mode. He makes YouTube videos and
Facebook posts asking people for food,toys, things that he needs, and
(10:52):
even medication or surgeries for his motherBarb and Barb actually appears in two of
these videos and she does not lookwell at all. And again, guys,
we're in twenty twenty four now,right. All this Chris chan stuff
went down in twenty twenty, butwe're talking about twenty sixteen right now.
So as early as twenty sixteen,Barb did not appear well on camera and
(11:16):
people were concerned. Because I'm goingto play a video right now where Chris
claims that he needs one hundred dollarsfor her asthma, just so you can
get a sample of the nature ofthese videos. Hello, is Christine Chanderer
coming to you live from home,and I definitely have a more urgent and
special request. My mother really needsher medication for her asthma. That's right,
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that's her right there, Barbara.Anyway, it's like one hundred dollars,
so it really need the money becausewe don't have one hundred dollars.
So yeah, just like I saidearlier, you can send all donations directly
(12:05):
to my email I addressed via PayPaland if you don't know how, there's
a link to a video underneath thisone, So please help us. I
have a good day, Thank you, and y'all what is so insane about
most of these videos is that Chrisis back in branch Link Court because remember
there was the house fire where itcaught on fire due to the coffee pot
(12:28):
being hooked up in the bathroom andbeing saw at the door, sawing it
and basically creating a spark. He'sback in branch Lin Court from the other
house that they had while the homewas being mitigated the fire and stuff.
The hoarding situation is what caused thatfire. But now Chris is back at
branch Lin Court making these begging videosin a room that is positively stuffed with
(12:54):
thousands of action figures and no,I'm not exaggerating or joking thousands. And
it's clear that he's spending most ofhis tugboat or if you're new here,
his social Security on collectibles and toys. And then he runs out of money
and then goes to the Internet tobeg for more money for bills and stuff.
It becomes just this whole cycle.This is also the month where Stephanie
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Buscakes was discovered. But don't gettoo excited because if you read the ad,
Chris doesn't do anal but we discussedStephanie Buscakes in the previous episode as
well. If you want to hearall about that in his glory and listen
to the video, head back tothe previous episode. Okay, y'all,
So July of twenty sixteen, weare finally here. I am so excited
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about this episode in particular because this, for me was one of the biggest
like what the fuck moments of Chris'sdescent into literal madness. Okay, so
let's begin July twenty sixteen. We'regonna begin it with a post that Chris
made on Reddit on July third.Now, around this time, Chris became
(14:05):
obsessed with the idea that all CISmen had a hidden theagene near their genitals,
specifically their taint. So again,Chris became obsessed with the idea that
all CIS men, for those ofyou who are unaware that means biologically and
(14:26):
a self identified male, that theyall have a hidden vagina deep inside the
tissues of their taints. So hisFacebook post read quote, Hey boys,
get ready to have your minds blown. As Planet Dolan has said, everyone
is female inside the womb until ifand when the hy chromosome mutates the girl
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to be a boy, which whenyou really think about it with everyone being
female initially, even pre birth beingquote unquote manly or manliness is very much
made up anyhow, And you cantry this at home in private, push
although tough, into the center ofthe skin patch between your legs the taint.
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You may find one or two grooveshidden under there. One of them,
yes, is your unbirthable vagina,since the uterus would be shrunk during
the Yat mutation punchline. If everygay male knew about this, all they'd
have to do is cut their taintand they'd have a hole, and they'd
have a whole new hole to playwith. Seriously, though, maybe professional
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surgery would be best for that businessopening, or for the price of Wi
Fi and your YouTube viewing device,you could try opening it in as soon
as six months less if listened tomore often with a subliminal track. Check
out this one from my favorite channelthat offers it on YouTube. So in
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July of twenty sixteen, Chris wastalking about match taint vaginas on Biological Mails
and he started listening to this randomYouTube channel, which I'll get into more
in a moment, But that postwas very much sadly a harbinger of what
was to come. Just a coupleweeks later, Chris then uploads a desperate
(16:18):
video where he begs for donations.And I know I've stated this before,
but this house is just filling upwith toys and he's obviously using his TUGU
about money for it. Like,I can't really describe the general public sentiment
on Chris, because it went fromlaughing stock with the Julee saga and the
(16:38):
others and the troll girlfriends, tothe fire happened, and people feeling really
bad for Chris coming together as anInternet community, even people who bullied him
horrifically and sending him money to tryto help to Now Chris is, you
know the girlfriend saga, the tomgirl saga, been going through all of
(17:00):
these different situations, and and publicsupport is starting to wane a little bit,
if you get my drift. Inany case, one part of the
video said, quote, help pleasehelp help keep me and my mother fed.
Seventy four years old, she istwo dogs, two cats, got
a family of kittens in the backyard, and I'm still looking for my sweetheart.
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You think I'm famous enough to getwomen. I have not been so
fortunate. And yes, I've onlyhad sex two times ever in my lifetime,
so I'm not a virgin. Andif they were both in the same
month, and that was more thanfour years ago. Oh, you think
your life su sucks because you're dwellingin your mother's basement. You darn dirty
(17:44):
internet trolls and cyberbullies. Think ofhow it is in my head. No,
thank you. But on July thirteenth, Chris uploaded the infamous video titled
Donations Further Requested Please. Except here'sthe thing. Barb by herself appears in
(18:06):
this video instead of Chris entirely,Chris is not in the video. He's
filming Barb. She says they needdonations for her dental work, and in
this video she looks incredibly confused,like she doesn't know what's going on.
It's incredibly concerning. But let's goback a little bit to early twenty sixteen.
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That subliminal frequency thing about the taint, about the taint vagina. So
Chris discovered a YouTube channel called SubliminalFrequency Hypnosis Wizard Binural Beats. Yes,
that's a mouthful, Subliminal frequency hypnosisWizard Binural Beats. The channel hosted videos
that utilize binural sounds for a varietyof things, but primarily what it referred
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to as gender dysphoria. It saysbinoral beats are an auditory illusion that occurs
when you listen to two tones atdifferent frequencies in differentfer ears, your brain
creates a third tone, called abinormal beat at the frequency difference between the
two tones. And this particular YouTubeplaylist claimed to be able to, among
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other things, increase breast size andalso transform a penis into a vagina.
And again, if you were callingprevious episodes I've done, Chris was obsessed
with his breast size he had morerecently topped in the previous year or two,
massaging them, playing with them,and then he documented any perceived growth,
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and that YouTube channel promised that listeningto the videos would help enlarge breasts
and also cause his inner amand's innervagina to descend. It is a whole
other level of looney tunes. OnJuly twenty fourth, a little after ten
am, Chris made the following Facebookpost, and guys, bear with me,
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it's long that I truly believe thatit kind of paints the full picture
of his mental state at this time. Again, we are descending still further
into madness. So July twenty fourth, twenty sixteen, at eleven forty am
announcement, as a number of onlinepeople may be aware, I have been
grooving with the subliminal frequencies and binuralbeats towards my transition from male to female
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body, the source being the subliminalfrequency Hypnosis Wizards Binurmal Beats channel on YouTube.
Last March, I've started simple withgrowing my breast out with their breast
Control hormone track. It worked tomy amazement at a full inch outward per
week in about two months. I'vealso listened to change my nipples to teats.
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As well as being that's a hardone to keep a straight face on
m I've also listened to change mynipples to teats as well as begin producing
breast milk, also related from aseparate track on another channel. I have
eased and cured the war of myautism too, But since last May,
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I decided to take it a stepfurther and begin my transition from male to
female with the penis to vagina tracks, including the individual organ changing tracks and
for a while the intersex track andtwo Fridays ago July fifteenth, while I
slept that night, my labia startedsplitting open and I found the initial hole
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and blood the next morning, andover the few days that followed, the
labia opened to its full length andI've been dealing with the blood that came
out. I've been keeping it cleandaily, monitoring it and treating it with
rubbing alcohol. I have started thewheels in motion for the full HRT and
SRS by seeing my doctor last Friday, because I felt like I didn't want
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to wait much longer to fully becomethe woman that I should have been born.
As with that, I've uploaded aphoto of my labia for all eighteen
and older individuals to see. ButI do not want to be overrun with
tabloid and paparazzi attention over this orhave a total big deal made. As
from my own statement to quote,I will state the following. Have belief
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in faith in what your body cando and with such binaural beats and frequencies,
as well as persistence and patience,what you'd like can happen for you.
And if you'd like to offer yoursupport in my transition as well,
I accept financial donations via PayPal tomy email address Chris chance On chew at
aol dot com. Thank you,and have a good and safe day.
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Can you imagine being friends with Chrischan on Facebook, whether an old classmate,
I mean, he had old teacherson there, he had a couple
family members I believe, on Facebookgal pals and coming across and reading that
because that's what happens, and Ican't honestly fathom that. But what absolutely
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lays me out is the comments tothat very first post. Jessica Quinn,
one of Chris's Facebook friends, said, fuck it, I'm out. I
don't even know what one can sayabout this. Why would you post something
this messed up? Good luck withwhatever it is you're trying to do with
your life. I tried. Ijust don't get it. Why would you
post this kind of stuff? Youwere just complaining about how people invade every
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aspect of your life and that youwouldn't share anything so personal, and now
you do this. I don't evenknow what to think right now. My
mind is blown. Kenneth Engelhart said, I would advise most strongly against any
nude photos of yourself on the Internet. It's prime trolling stuff, and it
comes across exercising extremely poor judgment.Jessica is absolutely one hundred percent correct in
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this. Your nude photos of yourquote unquote equipment have absolutely no place on
the internet. Quinn said Ken,it's a little more serious than that.
This could be a major health problembrewing. What's more important is his health.
Whomever is putting Christine up to this, please stop. This could lead
to a serious, life threatening healthproblem. I know many people follow what
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goes on on this page. Whomeveris pulling the strings really needs to stop.
It's sick and twisted and a lifecould very well be at stake here.
Please Christine West and Chandler go andget looked at. I support your
right to be who you want,but this is a very serious matter.
Ken then responded and said, Christine, this could be a sign of an
infection setting in. Do you understandthat if this gets into your bloodstream you
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could very well end up at theICU at the hospital. This isn't transitioning,
This is endangering your health for nothing. This is bullshit. You have
a family member who is dependent onyour well being. Melanie said, she's
evolving, evolving, I tell you, and then Chafe said, I'm so
confused, same same because so manypeople were piling on and asking him if
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he'd gone to the hospital or hadsomeone take a look at it. He
made a second Facebook post that said, feeling annoyed, I have had my
labia area examined last night. Noinfection at all, I am clean.
Very clearly Chris had not had examinedbecause it was very clearly infected and something
was very very wrong with it.So basically there was a back There was
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a back and forth on the Internetof people trying to convince Chris to go
into the hospital, and he finallyactually did two days later. Apparently Chris
had gone and sought treatment for itand got a cream and you know,
stuff to take care of the wound, which that's what it absolutely was.
So what happened was Chris was pressuredinto going to the emergency room, which
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he did, except he lied tothe doctors at the ER and told them
that his testicles hurt, that hisball's hurt, and so the doctors gave
him some extra strength kylon all andsaid go home. So Chris showed copies
of the er discharge papers to randompeople on the Internet to prove that he
had gone. But it was veryclear because Chris isn't very bright of the
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reason given to the doctors, andso that was found out and uncovered,
and so finally he was basically bulliedinto going back to the er. And
what happened to you guys, isthat Chris took a kitchen knife and cut
his taint wide open in order tofree the vagina that he believed was waiting
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to descend. Again, Chris chantook a kitchen knife to his own taint,
cut it deeply open to free thevagina that he believed was waiting to
descend. Yes September, same thing, Chris kept begging for money. He
went to a Pride festival there inCharlottesville, he got a new cat,
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and more so, he started postinga lot of videos and a lot of
content, and also just on Facebookas well, hating on Donald Trump.
He hated Donald Trump, and hestarted really really posting a lot about him
October as well, finding true crisisall the way begging for money. By
November he pretty much was just sendingNonStop death threats to Trump and posting about
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Trump. Then we head into twentyseventeen. I guess the big highlight there
is that Chris tried to donate blood, but was told that he couldn't because
he is transgender. He spent alot of time again just railing and going
off against Trump and sending open lettersto Trump's family members and posting them all
over the internet. Nothing really happenedin February more of the same. March
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of twenty seventeen, he just kindof became more unhinged. He went on
a rant against voice actress Tara Strongand her friend regarding his half brother,
Cole Smithy. The remember, hishalf brother basically disowned their mother and he
left as a kid, never lookedback, and Chris had only met him
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a handful of times. Chris reallywanted his half brother to come home and
take care of Barbes so he couldgo off and you know, find a
sweetheart. He began harassing at Bronyconvention that was based out of California for
gas money, basically to give himmoney so that he could drive from Virginia
all the way to California to attendthe Brony Convention. He was just becoming
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more and more and more present andvocal online. Really. April twenty seventeen
marked the one year anniversary of theFinancide crisis. And it became known at
this point that there really actually wasa crisis going on. Also, in
the previous episode, I talked abouthow Barb had to go to court multiple
times because you know, they couldn't. They weren't paying their bills, one
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of those being the mortgage. Sothere was a payment company middleman between Barb
and the mortgage company. Right,that was part of the lawsuit, the
ruling in that lawsuit. So theyhadn't been getting paid. Barb had not
been making or Chris for that matter, he was a funk. He wasn't
I don't know how functional, buthe was an adult. No one had
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been making mortgage payments. Why becauseChris had been wasting all of that money
in most of the donations on gamesand anime or game collectibles or sex dollars
and pillows. So Chris ends upselling his sonic totem for fifteen hundred dollars.
Now with that fifteen hundred dollars thathe made, again, he did
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it out of supposed desperation. Doeshe pay the mortgage, No? Does
he pay any bills? No.He buys Barb a four hundred dollar necklace
and himself some toys and frappuccinos fromStarbucks, and then just a couple weeks,
like two weeks later, Barb wouldbe seen on camera yet again begging
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for money for an electric bill whilewearing the four hundred dollar necklace that Chris
had bought her. People and bypeople, I mean the abs, every
Chris Chan observer, everyone at thatpoint, with the visual of that necklace
on Barb, everyone was tired andover it. Nothing truly spectacular happens,
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I would say over the next fivesix months, just pretty much more of
the same, and we're gonna makeit to October twenty, Chris announced to
the world that he planned to meetJessica Quinn in person on October six.
Now, Jessica Quinn was a veryobvious troll, and the day before he
was supposed to meet her, shebroke up with him and shut down her
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Facebook and all of her social mediaaccounts, and she told Chris that it
was because of the trolls harassing her. Chris reacted very poorly to this,
and by that I mean he recordedand posted one of the most I would
say iconic videos from all of Christy, I mean since the start of the
Tom Girl saga. I'm going toplay some of that video right now,
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And if you've been listening to thispodcast or watching the promo videos that I
posted about this Christian series, you'veno doubt seen it. So I'm just
gonna play a couple seconds of it. Mary upset right now, I open
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myself. Fuck you, damn bunchof internet trolls. You this fits?
What the fuck? You hated?A hard count? You want to don
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her face? Fucket? God,damn miserable wordless quetness, just a storn
a road light and ship you Ohwe wanted on? Now what's my bas
of mind? And abb it is? I thought y'all wanted that for me
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too, that obviously I was suffocking. Raw you read this storble, this
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is got funny and go laugh.This is not fine, That's sure,
there's good I's talk about wo hadbought over. You all are just ultimately
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really crazy. You are so superfucked up cursed. Good fie. Now,
Also in October of twenty seventeen,we have what I consider to be
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the most important influence on modern Chris, the Chris that we know today in
twenty twenty four and also the completeand total destruction of his sense of reality.
And that would be the idea guy. And I'm going to directly read
this from the quickie, okay,because I don't want any detail spare.
In September of twenty seventeen, JoshuaWise contacted Chris to commission artwork, and
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so they started talking with the twoin contact, Wise decided to see for
himself Chris's gullibility. In late Octobertwenty seventeen, he again contacted Chris,
posing as John Yamada. As Yamada, Wise claimed to be a soldier from
Gamma Industry, a location set inthe fictional video game franchise Hyperdimension Neptunia,
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and inquired if Chris still had hisold Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it
contained a possible portal into Quickville.Quickville being Chris Chan's you know, magical
Charlotteesville equivalent in his anime Souna Chewcomic books, right like Quickville was a
fictional location of his comic It's nota Real Place. Josh Wise used the
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lure from Neptunia to play into Chris'sexisting preconceptions about reality and his belief that
fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions,giving him validation over those beliefs, which
primed Chris for falling under Wise's spelland eventually encouraged him to retreat further into
his fantasy world to cope with hisreal world problems. And I do not
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want to just read word for wordfrom things, guys, but this is
a very pivotal moment in Christory,and so I just want to read the
Quickie here. And there's also alot of details, so I just want
to make sure it's all correct.After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's
ability to access Quickvill's dimension, Joshbegan to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his
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own ideas. He also undermined Chris'sattempts to restore his fantasy world. As
Wise put it, quote, Christhinks he has a psychic link to Quickvill,
but every time he tries to changethe scenario to his will, I
always say, it fucks up andmakes things worse. For example, in
December of twenty seventeen, Wise toldChris that Jamsta, a fictional DJ in
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Quickville, had been arrested for molestingPunchy and tales to Sounachu. Chris,
not liking this development, tried tohave Jamsta acquitted. He tried, using
his psychic link to Quickville to convincethe judge to acquit Jamsta. That why
is countered by telling Chris that thejudge didn't believe him since he had stepped
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down as mayor if you recall Chrisstepped down as mayor in a previous episode
issue of Sonochue. Chris then triedto influence the jury, but why is
again countered that by telling but whyis again countered by telling him that while
it worked and Jamsta was acquitted,as a consequence, a mob was out
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to get Jamsta, sending a photoof rioting as proof. In another example,
Wise role played as the Chris ofQuickville and claimed to be a Satanist
and that atheism, Neptunia, andIslam were the main beliefs of Quickville as
Christianity had been forgotten and after hehad stepped down his mayor so the real
world. Chris reacted to this informationby saying Angelica would enforce Christianity again,
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and Wise countered that by telling himAngelica became a Satanist and more people were
converting to Islam. Chris was alsoso suggestible under Wise's influence that at times,
Wise would float an idea and Chris'simagination would run wild with the concept.
Remember when I told you a momentago that the John Yamada persona like
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when it told Chris that the secondDreamcast had a portal. After he learned
that, Chris decided to run theconsole for twenty four hours, placed his
hand on it, and felt ashock. He imagined that it meant that
Neptunia goddess within it was possessing him. Furthermore, after having been in contact
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with Josh Wise's Neptunia CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion
in favor of Neptunia, and onereason he cited was that he could quote
actually communicate with the Neptunia goddesses.Eventually, after the idea guys were ousted,
the influence resulted in Chris identifying asa goddess CPU blue Heart. Now,
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y'all, if you go to Twitterright now, which is what I
am doing, and you type inChris Chan, what comes up is Chris's
account, and Chris's Twitter account andbasically all of his online accounts. Now
it's under Jesus Christ. Chan Saunachewhyphen cpu blue Heart. This is why
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Chris calls themselves a goddess goddess blueHeart. Sometimes Chris will refer to himself
as and that is strictly due tothe influence from Josh Wise and the Idea,
guys. In another instance, Chrisbelieved that his past quickvill counterpart,
you know, the Saunachew Chris fromthe comic, his comic version of himself,
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had been kidnapped by Nazis and givenSatanic powers. So Wise pushed him
further and told real world Chris thathis past counterpart had abolished women's rights to
enable his love quest, and thathe had helped the Nazis win World War
Two. Chris then immediately illustrated hismodern Quickville counterpart, confronting and assaulting his
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past life. When and this issomething that I haven't covered almost at all
in this podcast or in this seriesbecause it would just drag on and you
guys would probably be miserable. Isthe content in sona Chew the comics itself.
I kind of touched on it inthe very very early episodes, especially
when Chris would write it in randomInternet trolls or sweethearts or you know,
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the dean of the school, andwhen a lot of his real life,
you know, life imitating art imitatinglife kind of stuff happened. But then
it just kind of became batshit andit's so out there, and I don't
think most of you really care aboutthe plot line of Chris Chan's comic,
but this is really where it kindof starts to go off the rails as
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well, primarily with Idea Guys andhis new influence and Chris believing now because
you know, the narcissism and theself aggrandizement of Chris believing themselves to be
a goddess. It's a whole mess. It's a whole mess. On April
tenth, Chris came out as bisexual, and if you've been listening to this
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series for a while, you knowhow flabbergasting that fact is by itself.
On Facebook, he wrote, Irealized with my sweethearts that I am a
bisexual. So I will be needingto get a bisexual colored flag to replace
this one. Celebrate lesbian pride foryourself with my full kindness and support.
Chris's entire life, and especially alot of his most colorful reactions to Internet
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trolls back in the past had beenbecause people would call him gay or pretend
that he was ga, or thathe had had sex with another man,
and so for Chris to come outas bisexual was actually pretty astounding. On
May tenth, Chris had reached prettymuch an ultimate breaking point. At that
time. He was lashing out andbeing pretty much overtly shitty to any person
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who reached out to him for anyreason whatsoever, and he posted the following
video, which I'm posting audio ofhere because you can tell Chris is incredibly
off here. So let's go aheadand listen to this video. Oh good
thing already alive from the hole.And I'm gonna tell you, y'all,
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I'll tell you what. Yes,it was made. I'm a dolls od
Hey, hey, hey, god, Durang commentary, Tory commentary. They
are I'm t I mean hate lord, I'm very stressed up. I'm hollowed
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holding a bird. Oh been ason of Marrow and the vigil. My
father always told me to stick upfor a stud, up for myself,
and he always said the same thingyou know he did. He told you
all they address off this very houseand her phone number. Tell you like
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you know, you know what.You walk about us, walk about us,
you loo come at us. Overall, it was I just turn the
constant day to day to day today to day, day to day day
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he did, and like a heardperson many many many years ago, my
kindness, Gerossie's tent a bit betalking about a job will not be tolerate,
and I would not tolerate anymar herfuck habits are bers ramey? Are
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you spiteful? Hatey people? Edibaryou bear ship up, be kind,
be curious or that you can tellby listening here that Chris is definitely one
sandwich short of his picnic basket,even more so than than normal. In
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June twenty seventeen, Chris attended twoMany Games, which was an annual convention
that took place in Philadelphia. Onday two, it was being reported that
Chris was being handsy with and kissingattendees who tried to get pictures with him,
and ultimately he was kicked out ofthat convention. And this is another
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huge moment, Christy, because itwas so public. Chris reacted to this
by having a complete Toddler style meltdownin the venue and he curled up on
the floor in a fetal position andwas crying and you know, kind of
shaking and yelling. They actually calledthe police and brought in an escort to
get Chris out of there. Anonline user by the name of jab fifty
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yen actually sat and helped Chris alongsidethe mother of another autistic child who was
also attending the event, and theyquite literally sat in the floor with Chris,
you know, rubbed the mom.The mom was also a nurse,
and so she kind of recognized whatwas going on also again mother of an
autistic child, and so she would, you know, kind of rub him
on the back and comforted him.Her name was Linda, and just ultimately
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they were able to get Chris upand out of the venue. But the
user jab fifty en he was talkingabout how the police were just kind of
like, what the fuck is goingon here, and that they were starting
to be rough and aggressive with Chris, and he and this woman had to
basically tell the cops, let ushandle it, let us handle it.
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We you know, he's well known, he's autistic, Like, let us
help him. And they did,and they were able to get Chris out.
Of course, Chris denied any wrongdoing. Whatsoever. He went on multiple
you know, Facebook and Internet rantsabout how he did nothing wrong and that
people wanted to kiss him and thathe wasn't a predator or anything like that.
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But he That's the thing about Chris, y'all, is that Chris has
shown repeatedly that he actually is apredator. And again, I mean,
I'm at the end of this episode. Now we're actually going to stop right
here. And if you need furtherproof of that again episode eighty five of
Gino Samuel the Comprehensive, you know, Chris Chandock because it is a nightmare
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in assess Pool. But we're goingto stop right here at June of twenty
seventeen. But again, I'm givingthe series just three to four more episodes
to tie up and put a bowon it, and and we're going to
move forward. But what do youall think of Chris Chan so far?
Again, I know that maybe it'skind of fifty to fifty split on whether
people care about Chris Chan or not. And I'm just curious what do you
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guys think? And I think that'swhy I find Chris Chan so fascinating as
a whole, is not only hashe been able to completely evade justice or
consequences for any of his previous actions. Really, And that was another crazy
thing too while watching Geno Samuel documentaryearlier today the new episode is that I
had just forgotten how Chris admitted toit very very very very specific acts,
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you guys. And I'm not sayingChris was like, yeah, I did
my mom. Chris went into detail, explicit sexual graphic detail on how he
touched her and how they did stuffand what they did. And that's something
that I've struggled with too. Imean, through all of this is just
Chris is not high functioning. Hecan barely take care of himself. I'm
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even concerned that he has a licenseand drives by himself. But alas,
But what we all have to remembertoo is that Chris is manipulative, and
he is aware of how to dothis right. He's not just sitting there
completely completely oblivious to every single socialclue. He does know right from wrong.
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He's shown many times how he triesto manipulate and lie and so on
and so forth, and that hedoes know that it's wrong. So I
have very very little empathy overall forit. But I digress, y'all,
that is it for today's episode?Again, I'm going to be putting out
a very intimate and personal episode forthe Patreon patrons this week. I would
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love to get another chat scheduled sowe can all hop on Discord and if
you have a mic, you canhop on Mike. The next episode.
Haven't decided yet on the case orwhether it's going to be a news update
episode, but I feel like there'sa lot of stuff going on in Idaho
right now that I would like totalk about because I find the upcoming legal
battle and the legal strategy just reallyfascinating in the Brian Coberger case. But
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in any case, later this weekthere'll be a second episode dropping as well.
And as always, if you're likingthe content, please head over to
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and so just sincere early apologies ifthe episode is not edited perfectly in this
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case, that's it for today,y'all, until next crime
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