April 10, 2025 • 35 mins
It's been a fascinating week! For this episode, Robin covers some of the current true crime headlines headlines from the week: The trials of Karen Read, Lori Vallow, and Bryan Kohberger...as well as what's going on with the nightmare anesthesiologist husband out of Hawaii, and yesterday's shooting of the wife of Weezer's bassist. It's been quite a few days.
Next week? Let's talk paraphilias! From eyeballing licking, to amputees, feet, and more...we break down the weirdest, as well as examine the link between paraphilias and violent crimes.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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holds a shadow. Behind every smile, our sharp teeth, and
every happy place has something sinister lurking just below the surface.
Welcome to We Saw the Devil, the podcast diving deep
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the psyche, and through the unimaginable depths of human darkness,
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to unearth's stark secrets, to the harsh light of day.
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Speaker 2 (00:59):
Hello? Every one you are listening to We Saw the Devil.
This is Robin and I'm so excited about this week,
you guys. It's rare, somewhat for so many cases and
trials to be going on, but I am stoked and
so for this episode, I wanted just to do an episode,
a few news updates, and then also kind of set
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the schedule for how We Saw the Devil is going
to tackle those before we get into it. Though, again
you're listening to We Saw the Devil, I'm your host, Robin.
If you're not, make sure you're following the show on Instagram,
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Underscore WSTD. The new website will be up soon, I
swear to you it's it's been busy. And also thank
you to all of the people who messaged me congratulating
me on the engagement. Super appreciate it. I'm very very excited.
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Other than that, though, just in terms of following the show,
you can also follow on Facebook. There's a Facebook page,
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You can watch all the episodes on YouTube. There's no video.
I haven't invested time in video yet, but if you
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that there. And then I'm currently working on Realms, which
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is a new streaming platform and I'm going to be
doing live streaming. Like shows, you'll have a chat people
can come on, so I'm actually setting that at that
platform up now as well. So a lot going on
in the back end. But let's talk about scheduling, because,
like I said, there's a lot going on in the
world right now, and I'm so excited. I mean, the
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world is literally crashing and burning around us right now.
And if if my Guilty Pleasure and pick me Up
is watching Lori Vaalo represent herself in her Arizona trial,
so be it. I'm not going to be I'm not
gonna feel bad about that. But the next episode, Jeff Martin,
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whom I know many of you loved, will be joining
me to talk about paraphilias. And I am so excited
about this episode. I did make a post on our
Instagram asking you guys to tell me the weirdest thing
anyone has ever requested of you during sex during sexy time,
and no one was brave enough to comment publicly. I mean,
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I get it, but man, my dms are piping hot.
There's just some really really weird shit out there. So
on the next episode, I'm going to share you know,
my stories as well, but Jeff is going to be
joining me to discuss the connections between paraphilias and violent
crimes serial killers, as well as just kind of a
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talking about it in general, some of the weirdest ones.
And I have to say that preparing for this episode,
so we supposed to record that earlier this week, well
first last week, then earlier this week. And it's been
a wild one for those of you who follow me
on Facebook. You know, so I have a I have
two German short hair pointers, but my male all of
a sudden started having boohole issues. Thank you ninety day
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fiance and Assuelou I now call the anus boo hoole
all the time. But yeah, he has an infected anal gland.
So it's been a wild week. Imagine a cheetah on
steroids and that's basically what I've been dealing with this
week with my dog.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So not fun.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But that being said, Jeff and I are, you know,
getting ready to record. The way this episode came to
be is I've been fascinated by this as a whole
right because there are some really weird, creepy serial killers
out there where it appears that their crimes were sexually motivated.
So I was like, Okay, well there's some really weird
stuff out there. So Jeff and I kind of started
having a back and forth about it, and so it's
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basically become Jeff will message me, must lick my partner's
eyeballs as I and then I'll respond to him. I
can only get it up for amputees. And We've just
been going back and forth with the weirdest paraphilias that
we have found. And I'm really really excited to talk
about this because I think most of us, at least
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our interest in true crime lies in the psychology of it, all, Right,
Why do they act this way? What kind of childhood
nurture versus nature? All of those things, right, especially when
it comes to incredibly violent crimes. And there have been
several notorious killers that have demonstrated how early psychological experiences
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and specific fixations i'll call it, can evolve into incredibly
disturbing criminal behaviors. So Glenn Rogers, for instance, he was
apparently pushed underwater by his redheaded mother during childhood. She
quasi drowned him a few times. He was a serial killer,
and so in adulthood many of his victims were red
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headed women whose bodies were found submerged in water. So
again potential link between early trauma and the symbolic nature
of his crimes. And they were also sexually motivated. Jerry Brudos,
whom I believe you guys may recall from the show
mind Hunter, he developed a deep obsession with women's shoes
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because when he was a child, he was punished for
wearing high heels. That fixation, which is called incentive salience,
later extended into a fetish for women's feet, which the
paraphilia is known as partialism. His women's feet fetish became
central to his violent acts against his victims. Charles Albright
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became fixated on eyes after gaining early exposure to taxidermy,
where guess what he did He regularly handled animal eyes,
and so as an adult, many of his crimes involved
targeting victim's eyes as well. So y'all get my drift here.
It's going to be a really fascinating episode. I'm super
excited to talk about it. And again, if you haven't
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or if you feel comfortable, if you have experienced someone
requests something of you in bed that has been incredibly weird,
it can stay completely anonymous in fact, it's all going
to stay completely anonymous, but I am going to read
some of you know users submissions for the So if
you would like to contribute to this again, I will
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keep your information completely safe and protected and anonymous, but
I will just read in general what happened. So you
can send that to info atwisawthedevil dot com. You can
email it if you would like, or you can just
reply to the Instagram thread or send me a DM
on Insta. I'll get it in any of those ways. Okay,
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So after this episode, IRIS is coming back and we're
going to do weekly summaries of the Lori Valo Arizona trial.
And I don't know if any of you guys have
been watching it so far. I need to catch up
a little bit. But I swear on everything that is holy.
If I hear the phrase the evidence will show one
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more fucking time, I may self immolate, But in any case,
it's really fascinating watching I still can't believe that she's
actually representing herself. And if you thought it was a
poor idea when you initially heard that she was planning
to do that, you would be correct. That is what's
coming up in the next week and a half or so,
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and beyond that, I guess, let's get into this one.
This is just going to be a couple updates that
I want to at least, I guess, set the stage
for what's going on right now. The case I think
that I'm mostly interested in is actually the Karen retrial.
And we are currently, as of today, on the eighth
day of impanelment in the second Karen Reid trial. That
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being said, you know, so far fifteen out of the
sixteen jurors have been shown and seated, and today this
process is likely going to tie up and opening statements
may actually begin as early as next week. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
This is messy. This is so messy. And just to
recap again if you're new here Karen Reid. The first
trial ended in a mistrial after the jury was unable
to reach a unanimous verdict. So subsequently, Karen Reid's legal
team filed a motion to dismiss certain charges. They claimed
that some of the jurors had unanimously found her not
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guilty on specific accounts, and they also raised double jeopardy concerns.
Prosecutors disputed this, stated that no partial verdicts were reached,
and during the first trial, Karen Reid's defense team alleged
that there was a massive cover up by local and
state police to protect individuals present at the scene of
the crime. If you recall, Karen Reid was dating a
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police officer, Boston police officer. They out to drink with
some friends. They ended up going to one of the
homes where there were a bunch of law enforcement. It
was a husband and wife. He was a police officer,
and it was just a lot of police and law
enforcement in a very tight knit, well known family. He
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ends up the next morning dead on their front lawn
and with covered in scratches and abrasions which appears to
be cuts. So in the first trial, the defense team
highlighted those investigative oversights, like there was a failure to
search the house where John O'Keefe, the victim, was last seen.
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They used unconventional methods to collect evidence, like this crime
happened in the middle of a blizzard and investigators got
red fucking solo cups and then just picked up some
blood out of the snow and popped them in the
solo cup. When have you ever heard of that? There
was a lot more too, and this is just a
very light the spattering of this. The fence team's entire
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thing is that she didn't do it. We need to
focus on the house. There's a cover up here, potential
cover up here.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The prosecution's case in the first trial relied on circumstantial evidence.
There were fragments of Karen Reid's broken tail light found
near the scene. That's how the prosecution claims that Karen
Reid killed John O'Keefe, that she hit him with her
Lexus car SUV and left him to die in the snow.
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So there was in fact a broken tail light, and
there were some broken tail light pieces found near the scene.
There was also a single strand of John O'Keeffe's hair
in her vehicle. Witnesses testified that Karen Reid admitted to
hitting John O'Keeffe at the literally the morning that he
was found. He was found by Karen Reid. He didn't
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come home. She couldn't get in touch with him, so
she and a couple friends went out driving. They went
back to the house where she dropped him off, and
Karen Reid immediately saw him on the ground. It was
in the middle of a snowstorm and apparently she yelled,
I hit him, I hit him. Well, the defense argued
that the evidence itself that was there, that was found
was mishandled, and then they suggested that John O'Keeffe's injuries
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were inconsistent with being struck by a vehicle. They proposed
that he could have been assaulted inside the home by
the well connected other law enforcement officers and family and
then left outside. Also, there's been talk that he was
potentially attacked by their dog. And then we have the
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entire weird thing about the family, the Alberts who owned
the home where this all happened. They sold their house
and rehomed their dog within all within months of this
crime happening, and this home had been in their family
for like fifty years. And it's just so crazy and
she's just so messy. Unless we not forget the lead
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investigator on this entire case, State Trooper Michael Proctor. He
was found to have sent offensive text messages about Karen Reid.
Like this was the man who was the head investigator
of this entire case, and he was texting other people involved,
like witnesses and people involved in the case and his
private friends referring to her as a whack job, He
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laughed and joked about trying to find her nudes on
her phone. As he was going through her phone, he
said that he wishes that she would just kill herself.
And although Proctor apologized and claimed that, you know, these
messages did not influence the investigation. I'm just a shitbag,
he was actually dishonorably discharged from the Massachusetts State Police
after the trial. This is a whole lot of mess y'all.
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So this week again we are in the impanelment phase.
They've seated fifteen out of sixteen jurors at least at
the time of this recording Thursday afternoon, and on Monday
of this week, Karen Reid's legal team petitioned the US
Supreme Court. She's asking them to intervene, arguing that continuing
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with a trial would violate her Fifth Amendment rights. Now.
Her attorneys claim that multiple jurors from her first trial
have stated that she was acquitted on two of the
three charges, including the most serious one, which is second
degree murdered. The petition reads, the double jeopardy protections at
stake and her petition are simply too important to force
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Reid to stand trial for a murder that she contends
a prior jury of her peers already acquitted her of.
According to the petition, the jury on her original trial
reached a unanimous decision to acquit her on two counts,
but that the verdict was never formally announced. The Supreme
Court has yet to roll on whether those charges should
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be dismissed, prompting her team to seek an immediate halt
to the proceedings currently waiting on the outcome of all
of that. But again, they are seating jurors and opening
statements probably are going to begin now. Massachusetts is not
the state is not letting this one go. They are
bound and freaking determined to see her put in prison
or at least get through the second trial. As I
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said in the last episode, I've been watching the Max
documentary A Body in the Snow the Karen Reid Trial.
I highly highly suggest you watch it to catch up,
especially if you plan to deep dive on this one.
I think it's like five episodes. I think I have
one episode left. It's very, very very good. It is
maybe sixty percent thorough in terms of evidence and things
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like that, but it's fascinating and the thing about it y'all,
is that the defense team's entire the thing is that
this is a cover up. Karen Reid didn't do this,
This is a cover up. And then they are able
to point to multiple instances that are a little sus
not gonna lie, and then the prosecution is like, look,
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there's tail light fragments on the ground. Karen Reid clearly
hit him. She even admitted that she hit him initially
right off the bat. It seems like it would be
cut and dry. And I'm not Everyone knows that I'm
super liberal, but I one of my least favorite things
side tangent, something that really pisses me off about progressives.
I think a cab is so fucking stupid. You know,
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I cringe anytime I hear people say a cab, which,
for those of you who are not aware, it stands
for all cops are bad. And it's basically, you know,
the all cops are bad because you know some of
them are the bad apples, and you know, the thin
blue line and all that bullshit. But I just think
it's so ridiculous to say all cops are bad, even
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if it's just you know, a movement or a statement.
I don't know, But all of that to say, I'm
not someone who constantly thinks poorly of cops or thinks
that they're you know, all corrupt and horrible people and
blah blah, blah blah. I'm not one of those people. However,
I am aware and have researched and looked at so
much true crime to know that it is way more
common than you think, especially when you're talking about Boston
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old families well connected. Is there a tiny bit of
suspension of disbelief in the Karen Ree case that you
kind of have to go through to get to where
the defense is sure? But the thing about it is
that the prosecution and the investigators didn't do themselves any favors.
And then when you talk about like the data from
his phone and just showing that he went up and
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down you know, different levels and how many steps, and
it is just a mess. You guys. I could spend
hours talking about this case and breaking down the evidence.
Oh I'm not even gonna get into it, but I'm
telling you this is a fascinating case. So again, opening
statements for this one are probably going to be in
the next week, one to two weeks max, and definitely
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going to be covering it, but moving on to the
Brian Coburger case. So prosecutors and defense attorneys for Brian Cohburger,
if y'all recall, he's the man accused of killing four
University of Idaho students back in twenty twenty two. Yesterday
they spent all their time debating key legal boundaries for
the upcoming trial. And it was a two day hearing
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and on day one they talked about a lot. He
faces four counts of first degree murder in connection with
the stabbing deaths again Ethan Schappin, Xanna Kernodle, Madison Mogan,
and Kaylee Gonzalveaz. They were killed in the early morning
hours of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, at a rented
off campus house in Moscow, Idaho. At the time of
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the murders, if y'all recall, Coberger was a graduate student
in criminal justice at Washington State University. He was arrested
in Pennsylvania a couple weeks later after investigators matched his
DNA to genetic material found on a knife sheath recovered
at the crime scene that was left underneath one of
the victims. Coburger has not entered a plea. A judge
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actually entered a not guilty plea on his behalf after
he remained silent when asked. Now, there's mad preparations going
on right now. I mean intense preparations for the trial.
Both sides have filed over one hundred and seventy motions
covering a range of topics, basically from the admissibility of
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DNA evidence to who can actually be present in the courtroom.
The hearing allows Fourth District Judge Stephen Hipler to review
these motions. Here the legal rationale in person? Have you know,
the defense attorneys and prosecutors argue it out, and then
you ask in question those attorneys directly. So some things
he can deliver rulings on on the spot or later
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he can issue a written decision. So here's a breakdown
of some of the most significant motions discussed on Wednesday. Now,
this has been discussed before, and that's the Amazon purchase history.
Prosecutors want to introduce evidence suggesting Coburger used his Amazon
account to purchase a k bar knife, sheath and sharpener,
the exact same type of weapon believed to have been
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used in the killings. And they also want to present
Coburger's browsing history as part of their case. The defense
team are argued that others had access to the Amazon
account and asked that the clique history not be used
in court. However, Judge Hipler denied the request to exclude
the data, saying the defense is free to argue that
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Coburger did not make the purchase, but that the evidence
itself can be presented. And don't forget y'all. The murder
weapon has never been recovered. It has not been recovered.
There's a sheath matching the type sold with a k
bar knife that was found at the scene, again under
one of the victim's bodies, but the weapon itself has
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not been located. So the prosecution is saying, well, will
attempt to say he bought this kbar knife on Amazon,
this is the murder weapon. Use The defense attorneys are
saying that no, and also the sheath may have been planted.
Then we have eyewitness testimony, if you recall, we have
the surviving roommate, Dylan reported seeing a masked man with
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bushy eyebrows in the house the night of the murders.
The defense team argued that this testimony could unfairly assuay
the jury because what is the definition of bushy eyebrows?
In response, the prosecutors plan to introduce a photo that
Coburger took of himself just hours after the murders, arguing
that it provides an accurate depiction of his appearance at
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the time. Judge Hippler did not rule on this issue
during the hearing. So what you guys, what do you
guys think about that? Should a selfie that Brian Coberger
took just a couple hours after the murders be admissible
in court? Should it be allowed as a depiction of
him in his eyes and eyebrows? Then we have the
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nine one one call. So, about eight hours after the
time of the murders, two roommates called nine one one
after realizing one of their housemates wasn't waking up, And
the defense questioned whether the audio of this call should
be played for the jury, citing concerns over hearsay. Prosecutors
argue that they were recording should be allowed under the
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quote unquote excited utterance exception, which is a rule that
permits emotionally charged statements made during or shortly after a
traumatic event. Now, Judge Hippler agreed that much of the
nine one one call meets that exception, but said he
would provide more specific guidance on which portions can be used.
So it sounds like the nine to one one calls
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are not going to be aired in full in the trial,
which is interesting. I'm kind of excited to hear more
about that when he does issue the guidance, you know,
and the ruling for that. Another thing they discussed was
the death penalty and the autism diagnosis. The defense asked
the judge to prevent prosecutors from using Coberger's autism diagnosis
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as an aggravating factor if he is convicted and enters
the penalty phase of the trial. Prosecutors said that they
do not plan to cite autism as a reason for
seeking the death penalty, but also don't want the defense
to use the diagnosis to explain away to intentionally incriminating behavior.
Judge Hipler issued a preliminary ruling stating that autism cannot
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be used by the state as an aggravating factor and
he will issue a more detailed decision later on. The
part piece for the prosecution, and the final piece is
Coberger's family in the courtroom, so Brian Coberger's family has
been listed by the prosecution as potential witnesses, which generally
could typically bar them from being present in the courtroom
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before they testify. We saw a lot of that in
the Lori Valo case. The defense objected, arguing that Coburger
has been an isolation for two and a half years
now and that he heavily relies emotionally on his family.
They also stated that his relatives have no intention of testifying.
Judge Hipler said he will issue a ruling later, but
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encouraged prosecutors to call family members early in the trial
if they do intend to use them as witnesses. Jury's
selection is scheduled to begin on July five, thirtieth. Opening
statements are set to start on August eleventh at the
Ada County Courthouse in downtown Boise. And God bless God
is blessed, God's blessed that courthousand in Boise. It has
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seen a lot of things over the last couple of years.
But uh, this trial, y'all is expected to last up
to three months. It's going to be going from August
eleventh at least through early November. It's going to be
an interesting one and I'm really really excited for this
trial as well. All right, So separately from the big cases,
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something big happened yesterday which is really fascinating, and that's Jillian.
Lauren Schreiner, the wife of Weezer bassist Scott Schreiner, was
apparently shot by police during an altercation in the Eagle
Rock neighborhood of Los Angeles. This is weird, and I'm
kind of keeping an eye on this one because I
want to know what really happened. So, the incident occurred
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after a hit and run crash on the one thirty
four freeway in Figureoa Street. One of the suspects reportedly
fled the scene on foot, entering the residential area near
the fifty three hundred block of Waldo Place, which is
close to the Shriner residence. Lauren Shriner, fifty one years old,
was allegedly armed and police say again this is what
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the police are saying, that she refused to surrender her
weapon when confronted by officers. She was then shot once
in the shoulder by police. According to the LAPD, Lauren
Schriner had been in pursuit of one of the crash
suspects at the time of the incident. A lot of
reports are saying that the suspect from the crash was
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in her yard, so after briefly returning to her home,
she surrendered to officers and was taken into custody. So
she was transported to a nearby hospital for treatment and
later absentee booked for attempted murder. Attempted murder is the charge,
and her bail was set at one million dollars. The
LAPD reported that one male suss SSPEC was sited and released,
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while two others remain at large. The suspected driver involved
in the original hit and run was apprehended by the
California Highway Patrol and CHP spokesman Daniel Keene told the
La Times that the man was found around four to
twenty pm in a nearby backyard wearing only boxer shorts.
Local news footage showed him removing all of his clothes,
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getting into a pool, and then watering someone's plants before
his arrest, because that's normal behavior. My questions here immediately
a is there any chesscam footage of what happened? And
then secondly, were the officers who responded to this scene
uniformed or were they plane clothed? I want to know
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what happened. I mean, because what we know so far
is so weird. I mean, it could go multiple ways, right,
It could be like she had some sort of mental
issue or you know, meltdown or something that caused her
to act erratically. Or what if she heard that there
were suspects fleeing that they were in her neighborhood, she
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armed herself, saw someone in her backyard and came out,
and then plain clothed police officers showed up. She wouldn't
have had any idea who they are, so I don't know.
It's just so much is going on there. I can't
wait to get the rest of the story because it's fascinating.
I hate the band Weezer, cannot stand them. But you know,
I guess it's all over consequence of sound, rolling Stone
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the news, and it's kind of an interesting little story.
So I can't wait to get more information there. Another
item this week that really gave me the chills, almost
as badly as the one where the guy was hiding
under the child's bed and the babysitter you know, went
in to let him know and reassure him that there
were no monsters under the bed. Pulled up the bed
skirt and then saw a man under the bed. So
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Authorities in Florida have arrested a tour guide in connection
with the death of a woman whose body was discovered
in a resort closet after other guests unknowingly spent the
night in the same room as her corpse. According to
the Monroe County Sheriff's Office, forty three year old Nadine
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Marie Tilman was found dead on Tuesday, April eighth, inside
a room at the Emiray Dive Resort in Key Largo.
Her death was the result of a violent beating. Later
on that day, thirty three year old Dylan Lamb, reportedly
a kayak tour guide, was arrested and charged with murder
in connection to Tilman's death. Apparently, Tilman was reported missing
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by a family member, who told authorities that they had
not heard from her since this past Saturday. They said
that that's highly unusual because she's very communicative. Responding officers
discovered her body during a welfare check. Investigators say that
Tilman and Lamb met on Saturday morning at the resort,
where Lamb had been staying since Friday. Her body was
ultimately then found inside the room that Lamb had rented.
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According to the Miami Herald, hotel staff told investigators that
Lamb had been asked to vacate the room to accommodate
incoming guests, but he refused. After Lamb eventually checked out
on Sunday, cleaning personnel found blood stained sheets stuffed into
yard waste bags. However, they did not notify police authorities
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at that time. Unbeknownst to them, new guests were checked
into the same room Lamb's old room, and reportedly spent
at least one night a day and a half there,
while Tillman's body remained hidden in the crawl space of
the air conditioning closet in the room. Ugh, I mean,
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this is kind of almost, kind of almost up there
with the Lisa Lamb case of drinking water with her
dissolving body in it. Lamb has been charged with second
degree murder, kidnapping, destruction of evidence, and procuring another for prostitution.
According to the Monroe County Jail records. His arra a
scheduled for next week, and it is currently unknown as
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to whether he has retained legal representation. I'm sure that
those guests just are very displaced to learn that they
spent the entire night with a corpse in the closet literally,
all right. And then the final item that we're covering today,
y'all is the update on that nightmare in Hawaii scenario.
So if you guys recall I did touch on this
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case last week, and it's the case of the Hawaii
anesthesiologist who is accused of attempting to murder his wife
while his attorney, the attorney now representing him is saying
that there's more to the story than what's been reported,
and they haven't come out and added any additional context
to that. But Girard Koenig, forty six, has been charged
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with second degree attempted murder following an alleged March twenty
fourth attack on his wife, thirty six year old Ariel Koenig,
and they were on a birthday trip to a Wahu.
Now he just entered a not guilty pleate during a
court appearance this past Monday. Ariel, his wife, survived the
violent incident and then told police that her husband tried
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to push her off a cliff, then struck her in
the head with the rock, beat her face, and attempted
to inject her with an unknown substance, and he did
this on her birthday, like they were in Maui celebrating
Ariel's birthday at the time that this occurred. But now
before the arraignment, Koenig's attorney issued a statement emphasizing that
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the public has only heard one side of the case.
He said, quote, there are two sides to every story,
and thus far only one side has been shared. The
other side to the story will be shared with the
court process at the appropriate time.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
The husband was a very well known anesthesiologist, Ariel. The
wife is a nuclear engineer, and she told investigators that
the attack was triggered by her refusal to take a
photo with her husband on the edge of the cliff.
If you recall, she said she got a really bad feeling,
didn't feel comfortable, didn't want to go close, and then
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he just attacked her and physically assaulted her. She further
claimed that after the physical assault that her husband tried
to FaceTime their son while uttering completely disturbing remarks. And
she also has felt a restraining order and in this request,
she alleges that the attack was part of a larger
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pattern of abuse. She accused her husband of sexually abusing
her for several months, and claimed that he had become
increasingly controlling since accusing her of cheating on him in December,
including restricting and monitoring her communications. And this is going
to be a wild case as well. No, it's currently
still under investigation and no trial date has been announced
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as of yet. But this too is going to be
one that I will clever when it comes out. But
that is it for today's just quick update headlined episode.
So a lot of stuff, A lot of stuff moving, y'all,
A lot of stuff moving. But I guess to recap
in short, we have the Lori Valo Arizona trial going
on now. It's actively going on now. Iris will be
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joining me this next week to record and give you
guys kind of the up to date, you know, summary
of what's been going on if you don't have time
to watch the trial. The next episode, I believe, Jeff
and I are going to record tomorrow, I believe, and
we are going to talk about again paraphilias, you know,
serial killers, which we are, paraphilia's they have and for
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those of you who are not aware, a paraphilia is
a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme
or dangerous activities. What this basically is is just intense
sexual arousal to atypical things like situations, fantasies, behaviors, objects, individuals,
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basically anything that's a sexual interest and basically a sexual
interest in anything other than a legally consenting human partner.
So we're going to talk about the weirdest things that
are out there that have been medically defined. Talk about
various serial killers and what kind of paraphilias they had
and how that relates to their upbringing, as well as
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some statistics and in psych publication studies on the topic.
But that is it for today. Guys, Again, thank you
for listening. I don't know if you guys are excited,
but I'm really freaking excited. Again, you're listening to We
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Hello? Every one you are listening to We Saw the Devil.
This is Robin and I'm so excited about this week,
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trials to be going on, but I am stoked and
so for this episode, I wanted just to do an episode,
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can come on, so I'm actually setting that at that
platform up now as well. So a lot going on
in the back end. But let's talk about scheduling, because,
like I said, there's a lot going on in the
world right now, and I'm so excited. I mean, the
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world is literally crashing and burning around us right now.
And if if my Guilty Pleasure and pick me Up
is watching Lori Vaalo represent herself in her Arizona trial,
so be it. I'm not going to be I'm not
gonna feel bad about that. But the next episode, Jeff Martin,
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whom I know many of you loved, will be joining
me to talk about paraphilias. And I am so excited
about this episode. I did make a post on our
Instagram asking you guys to tell me the weirdest thing
anyone has ever requested of you during sex during sexy time,
and no one was brave enough to comment publicly. I mean,
(03:32):
I get it, but man, my dms are piping hot.
There's just some really really weird shit out there. So
on the next episode, I'm going to share you know,
my stories as well, but Jeff is going to be
joining me to discuss the connections between paraphilias and violent
crimes serial killers, as well as just kind of a
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talking about it in general, some of the weirdest ones.
And I have to say that preparing for this episode,
so we supposed to record that earlier this week, well
first last week, then earlier this week. And it's been
a wild one for those of you who follow me
on Facebook. You know, so I have a I have
two German short hair pointers, but my male all of
a sudden started having boohole issues. Thank you ninety day
(04:16):
fiance and Assuelou I now call the anus boo hoole
all the time. But yeah, he has an infected anal gland.
So it's been a wild week. Imagine a cheetah on
steroids and that's basically what I've been dealing with this
week with my dog.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So not fun.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But that being said, Jeff and I are, you know,
getting ready to record. The way this episode came to
be is I've been fascinated by this as a whole
right because there are some really weird, creepy serial killers
out there where it appears that their crimes were sexually motivated.
So I was like, Okay, well there's some really weird
stuff out there. So Jeff and I kind of started
having a back and forth about it, and so it's
(04:54):
basically become Jeff will message me, must lick my partner's
eyeballs as I and then I'll respond to him. I
can only get it up for amputees. And We've just
been going back and forth with the weirdest paraphilias that
we have found. And I'm really really excited to talk
about this because I think most of us, at least
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our interest in true crime lies in the psychology of it, all, Right,
Why do they act this way? What kind of childhood
nurture versus nature? All of those things, right, especially when
it comes to incredibly violent crimes. And there have been
several notorious killers that have demonstrated how early psychological experiences
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and specific fixations i'll call it, can evolve into incredibly
disturbing criminal behaviors. So Glenn Rogers, for instance, he was
apparently pushed underwater by his redheaded mother during childhood. She
quasi drowned him a few times. He was a serial killer,
and so in adulthood many of his victims were red
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headed women whose bodies were found submerged in water. So
again potential link between early trauma and the symbolic nature
of his crimes. And they were also sexually motivated. Jerry Brudos,
whom I believe you guys may recall from the show
mind Hunter, he developed a deep obsession with women's shoes
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because when he was a child, he was punished for
wearing high heels. That fixation, which is called incentive salience,
later extended into a fetish for women's feet, which the
paraphilia is known as partialism. His women's feet fetish became
central to his violent acts against his victims. Charles Albright
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became fixated on eyes after gaining early exposure to taxidermy,
where guess what he did He regularly handled animal eyes,
and so as an adult, many of his crimes involved
targeting victim's eyes as well. So y'all get my drift here.
It's going to be a really fascinating episode. I'm super
excited to talk about it. And again, if you haven't
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or if you feel comfortable, if you have experienced someone
requests something of you in bed that has been incredibly weird,
it can stay completely anonymous in fact, it's all going
to stay completely anonymous, but I am going to read
some of you know users submissions for the So if
you would like to contribute to this again, I will
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keep your information completely safe and protected and anonymous, but
I will just read in general what happened. So you
can send that to info atwisawthedevil dot com. You can
email it if you would like, or you can just
reply to the Instagram thread or send me a DM
on Insta. I'll get it in any of those ways. Okay,
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So after this episode, IRIS is coming back and we're
going to do weekly summaries of the Lori Valo Arizona trial.
And I don't know if any of you guys have
been watching it so far. I need to catch up
a little bit. But I swear on everything that is holy.
If I hear the phrase the evidence will show one
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more fucking time, I may self immolate, But in any case,
it's really fascinating watching I still can't believe that she's
actually representing herself. And if you thought it was a
poor idea when you initially heard that she was planning
to do that, you would be correct. That is what's
coming up in the next week and a half or so,
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and beyond that, I guess, let's get into this one.
This is just going to be a couple updates that
I want to at least, I guess, set the stage
for what's going on right now. The case I think
that I'm mostly interested in is actually the Karen retrial.
And we are currently, as of today, on the eighth
day of impanelment in the second Karen Reid trial. That
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being said, you know, so far fifteen out of the
sixteen jurors have been shown and seated, and today this
process is likely going to tie up and opening statements
may actually begin as early as next week. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
This is messy. This is so messy. And just to
recap again if you're new here Karen Reid. The first
trial ended in a mistrial after the jury was unable
to reach a unanimous verdict. So subsequently, Karen Reid's legal
team filed a motion to dismiss certain charges. They claimed
that some of the jurors had unanimously found her not
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guilty on specific accounts, and they also raised double jeopardy concerns.
Prosecutors disputed this, stated that no partial verdicts were reached,
and during the first trial, Karen Reid's defense team alleged
that there was a massive cover up by local and
state police to protect individuals present at the scene of
the crime. If you recall, Karen Reid was dating a
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police officer, Boston police officer. They out to drink with
some friends. They ended up going to one of the
homes where there were a bunch of law enforcement. It
was a husband and wife. He was a police officer,
and it was just a lot of police and law
enforcement in a very tight knit, well known family. He
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ends up the next morning dead on their front lawn
and with covered in scratches and abrasions which appears to
be cuts. So in the first trial, the defense team
highlighted those investigative oversights, like there was a failure to
search the house where John O'Keefe, the victim, was last seen.
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They used unconventional methods to collect evidence, like this crime
happened in the middle of a blizzard and investigators got
red fucking solo cups and then just picked up some
blood out of the snow and popped them in the
solo cup. When have you ever heard of that? There
was a lot more too, and this is just a
very light the spattering of this. The fence team's entire
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thing is that she didn't do it. We need to
focus on the house. There's a cover up here, potential
cover up here.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The prosecution's case in the first trial relied on circumstantial evidence.
There were fragments of Karen Reid's broken tail light found
near the scene. That's how the prosecution claims that Karen
Reid killed John O'Keefe, that she hit him with her
Lexus car SUV and left him to die in the snow.
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So there was in fact a broken tail light, and
there were some broken tail light pieces found near the scene.
There was also a single strand of John O'Keeffe's hair
in her vehicle. Witnesses testified that Karen Reid admitted to
hitting John O'Keeffe at the literally the morning that he
was found. He was found by Karen Reid. He didn't
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come home. She couldn't get in touch with him, so
she and a couple friends went out driving. They went
back to the house where she dropped him off, and
Karen Reid immediately saw him on the ground. It was
in the middle of a snowstorm and apparently she yelled,
I hit him, I hit him. Well, the defense argued
that the evidence itself that was there, that was found
was mishandled, and then they suggested that John O'Keeffe's injuries
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were inconsistent with being struck by a vehicle. They proposed
that he could have been assaulted inside the home by
the well connected other law enforcement officers and family and
then left outside. Also, there's been talk that he was
potentially attacked by their dog. And then we have the
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entire weird thing about the family, the Alberts who owned
the home where this all happened. They sold their house
and rehomed their dog within all within months of this
crime happening, and this home had been in their family
for like fifty years. And it's just so crazy and
she's just so messy. Unless we not forget the lead
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investigator on this entire case, State Trooper Michael Proctor. He
was found to have sent offensive text messages about Karen Reid.
Like this was the man who was the head investigator
of this entire case, and he was texting other people involved,
like witnesses and people involved in the case and his
private friends referring to her as a whack job, He
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laughed and joked about trying to find her nudes on
her phone. As he was going through her phone, he
said that he wishes that she would just kill herself.
And although Proctor apologized and claimed that, you know, these
messages did not influence the investigation. I'm just a shitbag,
he was actually dishonorably discharged from the Massachusetts State Police
after the trial. This is a whole lot of mess y'all.
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So this week again we are in the impanelment phase.
They've seated fifteen out of sixteen jurors at least at
the time of this recording Thursday afternoon, and on Monday
of this week, Karen Reid's legal team petitioned the US
Supreme Court. She's asking them to intervene, arguing that continuing
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with a trial would violate her Fifth Amendment rights. Now.
Her attorneys claim that multiple jurors from her first trial
have stated that she was acquitted on two of the
three charges, including the most serious one, which is second
degree murdered. The petition reads, the double jeopardy protections at
stake and her petition are simply too important to force
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Reid to stand trial for a murder that she contends
a prior jury of her peers already acquitted her of.
According to the petition, the jury on her original trial
reached a unanimous decision to acquit her on two counts,
but that the verdict was never formally announced. The Supreme
Court has yet to roll on whether those charges should
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be dismissed, prompting her team to seek an immediate halt
to the proceedings currently waiting on the outcome of all
of that. But again, they are seating jurors and opening
statements probably are going to begin now. Massachusetts is not
the state is not letting this one go. They are
bound and freaking determined to see her put in prison
or at least get through the second trial. As I
(15:10):
said in the last episode, I've been watching the Max
documentary A Body in the Snow the Karen Reid Trial.
I highly highly suggest you watch it to catch up,
especially if you plan to deep dive on this one.
I think it's like five episodes. I think I have
one episode left. It's very, very very good. It is
maybe sixty percent thorough in terms of evidence and things
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like that, but it's fascinating and the thing about it y'all,
is that the defense team's entire the thing is that
this is a cover up. Karen Reid didn't do this,
This is a cover up. And then they are able
to point to multiple instances that are a little sus
not gonna lie, and then the prosecution is like, look,
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there's tail light fragments on the ground. Karen Reid clearly
hit him. She even admitted that she hit him initially
right off the bat. It seems like it would be
cut and dry. And I'm not Everyone knows that I'm
super liberal, but I one of my least favorite things
side tangent, something that really pisses me off about progressives.
I think a cab is so fucking stupid. You know,
(16:17):
I cringe anytime I hear people say a cab, which,
for those of you who are not aware, it stands
for all cops are bad. And it's basically, you know,
the all cops are bad because you know some of
them are the bad apples, and you know, the thin
blue line and all that bullshit. But I just think
it's so ridiculous to say all cops are bad, even
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if it's just you know, a movement or a statement.
I don't know, But all of that to say, I'm
not someone who constantly thinks poorly of cops or thinks
that they're you know, all corrupt and horrible people and
blah blah, blah blah. I'm not one of those people. However,
I am aware and have researched and looked at so
much true crime to know that it is way more
common than you think, especially when you're talking about Boston
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old families well connected. Is there a tiny bit of
suspension of disbelief in the Karen Ree case that you
kind of have to go through to get to where
the defense is sure? But the thing about it is
that the prosecution and the investigators didn't do themselves any favors.
And then when you talk about like the data from
his phone and just showing that he went up and
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down you know, different levels and how many steps, and
it is just a mess. You guys. I could spend
hours talking about this case and breaking down the evidence.
Oh I'm not even gonna get into it, but I'm
telling you this is a fascinating case. So again, opening
statements for this one are probably going to be in
the next week, one to two weeks max, and definitely
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going to be covering it, but moving on to the
Brian Coburger case. So prosecutors and defense attorneys for Brian Cohburger,
if y'all recall, he's the man accused of killing four
University of Idaho students back in twenty twenty two. Yesterday
they spent all their time debating key legal boundaries for
the upcoming trial. And it was a two day hearing
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and on day one they talked about a lot. He
faces four counts of first degree murder in connection with
the stabbing deaths again Ethan Schappin, Xanna Kernodle, Madison Mogan,
and Kaylee Gonzalveaz. They were killed in the early morning
hours of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, at a rented
off campus house in Moscow, Idaho. At the time of
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the murders, if y'all recall, Coberger was a graduate student
in criminal justice at Washington State University. He was arrested
in Pennsylvania a couple weeks later after investigators matched his
DNA to genetic material found on a knife sheath recovered
at the crime scene that was left underneath one of
the victims. Coburger has not entered a plea. A judge
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actually entered a not guilty plea on his behalf after
he remained silent when asked. Now, there's mad preparations going
on right now. I mean intense preparations for the trial.
Both sides have filed over one hundred and seventy motions
covering a range of topics, basically from the admissibility of
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DNA evidence to who can actually be present in the courtroom.
The hearing allows Fourth District Judge Stephen Hipler to review
these motions. Here the legal rationale in person? Have you know,
the defense attorneys and prosecutors argue it out, and then
you ask in question those attorneys directly. So some things
he can deliver rulings on on the spot or later
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he can issue a written decision. So here's a breakdown
of some of the most significant motions discussed on Wednesday. Now,
this has been discussed before, and that's the Amazon purchase history.
Prosecutors want to introduce evidence suggesting Coburger used his Amazon
account to purchase a k bar knife, sheath and sharpener,
the exact same type of weapon believed to have been
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used in the killings. And they also want to present
Coburger's browsing history as part of their case. The defense
team are argued that others had access to the Amazon
account and asked that the clique history not be used
in court. However, Judge Hipler denied the request to exclude
the data, saying the defense is free to argue that
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Coburger did not make the purchase, but that the evidence
itself can be presented. And don't forget y'all. The murder
weapon has never been recovered. It has not been recovered.
There's a sheath matching the type sold with a k
bar knife that was found at the scene, again under
one of the victim's bodies, but the weapon itself has
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not been located. So the prosecution is saying, well, will
attempt to say he bought this kbar knife on Amazon,
this is the murder weapon. Use The defense attorneys are
saying that no, and also the sheath may have been planted.
Then we have eyewitness testimony, if you recall, we have
the surviving roommate, Dylan reported seeing a masked man with
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bushy eyebrows in the house the night of the murders.
The defense team argued that this testimony could unfairly assuay
the jury because what is the definition of bushy eyebrows?
In response, the prosecutors plan to introduce a photo that
Coburger took of himself just hours after the murders, arguing
that it provides an accurate depiction of his appearance at
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the time. Judge Hippler did not rule on this issue
during the hearing. So what you guys, what do you
guys think about that? Should a selfie that Brian Coberger
took just a couple hours after the murders be admissible
in court? Should it be allowed as a depiction of
him in his eyes and eyebrows? Then we have the
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nine one one call. So, about eight hours after the
time of the murders, two roommates called nine one one
after realizing one of their housemates wasn't waking up, And
the defense questioned whether the audio of this call should
be played for the jury, citing concerns over hearsay. Prosecutors
argue that they were recording should be allowed under the
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quote unquote excited utterance exception, which is a rule that
permits emotionally charged statements made during or shortly after a
traumatic event. Now, Judge Hippler agreed that much of the
nine one one call meets that exception, but said he
would provide more specific guidance on which portions can be used.
So it sounds like the nine to one one calls
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are not going to be aired in full in the trial,
which is interesting. I'm kind of excited to hear more
about that when he does issue the guidance, you know,
and the ruling for that. Another thing they discussed was
the death penalty and the autism diagnosis. The defense asked
the judge to prevent prosecutors from using Coberger's autism diagnosis
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as an aggravating factor if he is convicted and enters
the penalty phase of the trial. Prosecutors said that they
do not plan to cite autism as a reason for
seeking the death penalty, but also don't want the defense
to use the diagnosis to explain away to intentionally incriminating behavior.
Judge Hipler issued a preliminary ruling stating that autism cannot
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be used by the state as an aggravating factor and
he will issue a more detailed decision later on. The
part piece for the prosecution, and the final piece is
Coberger's family in the courtroom, so Brian Coberger's family has
been listed by the prosecution as potential witnesses, which generally
could typically bar them from being present in the courtroom
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before they testify. We saw a lot of that in
the Lori Valo case. The defense objected, arguing that Coburger
has been an isolation for two and a half years
now and that he heavily relies emotionally on his family.
They also stated that his relatives have no intention of testifying.
Judge Hipler said he will issue a ruling later, but
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encouraged prosecutors to call family members early in the trial
if they do intend to use them as witnesses. Jury's
selection is scheduled to begin on July five, thirtieth. Opening
statements are set to start on August eleventh at the
Ada County Courthouse in downtown Boise. And God bless God
is blessed, God's blessed that courthousand in Boise. It has
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seen a lot of things over the last couple of years.
But uh, this trial, y'all is expected to last up
to three months. It's going to be going from August
eleventh at least through early November. It's going to be
an interesting one and I'm really really excited for this
trial as well. All right, So separately from the big cases,
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something big happened yesterday which is really fascinating, and that's Jillian.
Lauren Schreiner, the wife of Weezer bassist Scott Schreiner, was
apparently shot by police during an altercation in the Eagle
Rock neighborhood of Los Angeles. This is weird, and I'm
kind of keeping an eye on this one because I
want to know what really happened. So, the incident occurred
(24:55):
after a hit and run crash on the one thirty
four freeway in Figureoa Street. One of the suspects reportedly
fled the scene on foot, entering the residential area near
the fifty three hundred block of Waldo Place, which is
close to the Shriner residence. Lauren Shriner, fifty one years old,
was allegedly armed and police say again this is what
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the police are saying, that she refused to surrender her
weapon when confronted by officers. She was then shot once
in the shoulder by police. According to the LAPD, Lauren
Schriner had been in pursuit of one of the crash
suspects at the time of the incident. A lot of
reports are saying that the suspect from the crash was
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in her yard, so after briefly returning to her home,
she surrendered to officers and was taken into custody. So
she was transported to a nearby hospital for treatment and
later absentee booked for attempted murder. Attempted murder is the charge,
and her bail was set at one million dollars. The
LAPD reported that one male suss SSPEC was sited and released,
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while two others remain at large. The suspected driver involved
in the original hit and run was apprehended by the
California Highway Patrol and CHP spokesman Daniel Keene told the
La Times that the man was found around four to
twenty pm in a nearby backyard wearing only boxer shorts.
Local news footage showed him removing all of his clothes,
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getting into a pool, and then watering someone's plants before
his arrest, because that's normal behavior. My questions here immediately
a is there any chesscam footage of what happened? And
then secondly, were the officers who responded to this scene
uniformed or were they plane clothed? I want to know
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what happened. I mean, because what we know so far
is so weird. I mean, it could go multiple ways, right,
It could be like she had some sort of mental
issue or you know, meltdown or something that caused her
to act erratically. Or what if she heard that there
were suspects fleeing that they were in her neighborhood, she
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armed herself, saw someone in her backyard and came out,
and then plain clothed police officers showed up. She wouldn't
have had any idea who they are, so I don't know.
It's just so much is going on there. I can't
wait to get the rest of the story because it's fascinating.
I hate the band Weezer, cannot stand them. But you know,
I guess it's all over consequence of sound, rolling Stone
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the news, and it's kind of an interesting little story.
So I can't wait to get more information there. Another
item this week that really gave me the chills, almost
as badly as the one where the guy was hiding
under the child's bed and the babysitter you know, went
in to let him know and reassure him that there
were no monsters under the bed. Pulled up the bed
skirt and then saw a man under the bed. So
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Authorities in Florida have arrested a tour guide in connection
with the death of a woman whose body was discovered
in a resort closet after other guests unknowingly spent the
night in the same room as her corpse. According to
the Monroe County Sheriff's Office, forty three year old Nadine
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Marie Tilman was found dead on Tuesday, April eighth, inside
a room at the Emiray Dive Resort in Key Largo.
Her death was the result of a violent beating. Later
on that day, thirty three year old Dylan Lamb, reportedly
a kayak tour guide, was arrested and charged with murder
in connection to Tilman's death. Apparently, Tilman was reported missing
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by a family member, who told authorities that they had
not heard from her since this past Saturday. They said
that that's highly unusual because she's very communicative. Responding officers
discovered her body during a welfare check. Investigators say that
Tilman and Lamb met on Saturday morning at the resort,
where Lamb had been staying since Friday. Her body was
ultimately then found inside the room that Lamb had rented.
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According to the Miami Herald, hotel staff told investigators that
Lamb had been asked to vacate the room to accommodate
incoming guests, but he refused. After Lamb eventually checked out
on Sunday, cleaning personnel found blood stained sheets stuffed into
yard waste bags. However, they did not notify police authorities
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at that time. Unbeknownst to them, new guests were checked
into the same room Lamb's old room, and reportedly spent
at least one night a day and a half there,
while Tillman's body remained hidden in the crawl space of
the air conditioning closet in the room. Ugh, I mean,
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this is kind of almost, kind of almost up there
with the Lisa Lamb case of drinking water with her
dissolving body in it. Lamb has been charged with second
degree murder, kidnapping, destruction of evidence, and procuring another for prostitution.
According to the Monroe County Jail records. His arra a
scheduled for next week, and it is currently unknown as
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to whether he has retained legal representation. I'm sure that
those guests just are very displaced to learn that they
spent the entire night with a corpse in the closet literally,
all right. And then the final item that we're covering today,
y'all is the update on that nightmare in Hawaii scenario.
So if you guys recall I did touch on this
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case last week, and it's the case of the Hawaii
anesthesiologist who is accused of attempting to murder his wife
while his attorney, the attorney now representing him is saying
that there's more to the story than what's been reported,
and they haven't come out and added any additional context
to that. But Girard Koenig, forty six, has been charged
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with second degree attempted murder following an alleged March twenty
fourth attack on his wife, thirty six year old Ariel Koenig,
and they were on a birthday trip to a Wahu.
Now he just entered a not guilty pleate during a
court appearance this past Monday. Ariel, his wife, survived the
violent incident and then told police that her husband tried
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to push her off a cliff, then struck her in
the head with the rock, beat her face, and attempted
to inject her with an unknown substance, and he did
this on her birthday, like they were in Maui celebrating
Ariel's birthday at the time that this occurred. But now
before the arraignment, Koenig's attorney issued a statement emphasizing that
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the public has only heard one side of the case.
He said, quote, there are two sides to every story,
and thus far only one side has been shared. The
other side to the story will be shared with the
court process at the appropriate time.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
The husband was a very well known anesthesiologist, Ariel. The
wife is a nuclear engineer, and she told investigators that
the attack was triggered by her refusal to take a
photo with her husband on the edge of the cliff.
If you recall, she said she got a really bad feeling,
didn't feel comfortable, didn't want to go close, and then
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he just attacked her and physically assaulted her. She further
claimed that after the physical assault that her husband tried
to FaceTime their son while uttering completely disturbing remarks. And
she also has felt a restraining order and in this request,
she alleges that the attack was part of a larger
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pattern of abuse. She accused her husband of sexually abusing
her for several months, and claimed that he had become
increasingly controlling since accusing her of cheating on him in December,
including restricting and monitoring her communications. And this is going
to be a wild case as well. No, it's currently
still under investigation and no trial date has been announced
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as of yet. But this too is going to be
one that I will clever when it comes out. But
that is it for today's just quick update headlined episode.
So a lot of stuff, A lot of stuff moving, y'all,
A lot of stuff moving. But I guess to recap
in short, we have the Lori Valo Arizona trial going
on now. It's actively going on now. Iris will be
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joining me this next week to record and give you
guys kind of the up to date, you know, summary
of what's been going on if you don't have time
to watch the trial. The next episode, I believe, Jeff
and I are going to record tomorrow, I believe, and
we are going to talk about again paraphilias, you know,
serial killers, which we are, paraphilia's they have and for
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those of you who are not aware, a paraphilia is
a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme
or dangerous activities. What this basically is is just intense
sexual arousal to atypical things like situations, fantasies, behaviors, objects, individuals,
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basically anything that's a sexual interest and basically a sexual
interest in anything other than a legally consenting human partner.
So we're going to talk about the weirdest things that
are out there that have been medically defined. Talk about
various serial killers and what kind of paraphilias they had
and how that relates to their upbringing, as well as
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some statistics and in psych publication studies on the topic.
But that is it for today. Guys, Again, thank you
for listening. I don't know if you guys are excited,
but I'm really freaking excited. Again, you're listening to We
Saw the Devil. I am your host, Robin. If you
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on getting set up on a streaming platform as well,
but do have Discord and I am going to start
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and and whatnot. So lots of stuff going on, but
make sure you're following for the latest news because the
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