Welcome to 2025: Hellscape Edition (w/Guest Jeff X Martin)

As 2025 unfolds, the world seems more unhinged than ever. We're only 12 days in and everything is on fire. It's fine.

In this episode, Robin sits down with friend and author/cultural commentator Jeff X Martin to dive into the madness of the year so far. From the devastating New Orleans New Year's Day Attack to the shocking Tesla Trump Hotel bombing, we get weird with it. 
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About the Guest:
Jeffery X Martin (he/him/bruv/dude/hey, you) has been writing about movies, music, and professional wrestling for longer than he can remember. He is the author of seven books, some of which are available online. Along with his wife, Cootie, X is the co-host of Kiss the Goat, a NSFW podcast about Devil movies. In his spare time, X enjoys playing with his grandbabies, Italian horror movies, and mustard. 
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https://biffbampop.com/?s=jeffery+x+martin
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Sunny spaces, smiling faces, happy places. But every sunny space
holds a shadow. Behind every smile, our sharp teeth, and
every happy place has something sinister lurking just below the surface.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome to We Saw the Devil, the podcast diving deep
into the chilling realms of true crime. Join your host
Robin as she unravels mysteries that have left investigators baffled
and armchair sleuth's obsessed. Be forewarned, Dear listener, We Saw
the Devil is not for the faint of heart. Our
unflinching exploration will take you to the darkest corners of

(00:41):
the psyche, and through the unimaginable depths of human darkness,
to unearthed stark secrets, to the harsh light of day.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Nothing will be left untouched.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Are you ready?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Are you sure?

Speaker 4 (00:54):
We Saw the Devil?

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Hello everyone you are listening to We Saw the Double.
As always, this is Robin and Happy New Year. I
don't know if happy is exactly the word that I
would use to describe this New Year's so far, so
because of that, I have brought on a very special
guest this episode, whom I love and adore, to talk
about all of the crazy shit that's going on right now.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
X hi ha, Yes, I am here. Hello.

Speaker 6 (01:31):
If you could take the world's largest diaper and fill
it up with warm, moldy, fully loaded chicken tick of massala,
drop that into a dumpster and launch it into the
sky and then shoot it with a missile so that hot,
rotted food just rain down on everyone for an extended

(01:54):
period of time, it still wouldn't be as bad just
the first week of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
It's so true, It's so true. This has not been
a great time I think for most of us. I mean, okay,
you have two camps, right, I don't know about you.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Well, first of all, let's talk about let's talk about
you X.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
I'm like, I'm completely I'm the clemmed right now, Okay,
I have known you since I was like twenty two
or twenty three years old.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Oh okay, thanks. I immediately make the guest.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Feel I lose man. I'm not doing well. I mean
that makes me old, too, sir, that makes also makes
me old.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I am.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
I was thinking about this yesterday. I guess I am
an elder jen X. So I mean really ill, I
mean squeaking in I mean, do you do your own
math I was born in sixty nine.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
I mean I was born in eighty four, So I
think I'm still considered elder millennial, right I think so?

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Yeah, my god, I had the album named after the
year you were born.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
All right, So guys, I'm clearly I'm making my guests
feel ancient.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
So that's cool. Already, win win one for the day.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Good, bring me over.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
I look forward to you coming back.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Man, there's like, so a lot of you know that
I used to have a horror podcast way back in
the day, and so I met X on you actually,
I think you wrote for the site and you came
on and guessed it a couple of times.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
But yeah, tell everyone like what, like who are you
and what do you do because you're also a writer.

Speaker 6 (03:43):
Yes, obviously my name is my name is X, which
is my middle initial.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
That's a whole long story. We'll talk about that later. Maybe.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
I co host a podcast with my wife called Kiss
the Goat, which is all about devil movies and it
has recently become more of a radio theater show than
a podcast.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
But it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
We have a lot of fun doing it and it's
on Patreon. Kiss the Podcast on Patreon Patreon. I have
written seven books, which you can find on Amazon. Look
for Jeffrey X Martin.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
That's j E. F F E Roy.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
Because of course I had to have three syllables in
my first name, and I don't know why, but that's
how it happens. And I currently write for Biff Bam Pop,
which is an entertainment website that's been around for fifteen
sixteen years. And soon you'll be able to read my
ramblings on the cultural gutter and yeah, so I just

(04:45):
kind of do a lot of this and that, but
it mostly has to do with words.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
So talented.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Absolutely, I'm going to put some links to X's work
in the show notes here. You're going to fall in
love with him like I am, and read all of
his stuff because you are. And I have a lot
of friends who are writers, but you are so incredibly talented,
and I love reading and listening to your insights all
the time. And so I'm I'm so sad it's taken

(05:14):
this long to get you on here.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
I am to you. Actually, here's what's funny. I think
I want to circle back of this later towards the
end of the episode. I appreciate what you do the
whole true crime thing, because I I don't know if
I could stomach that. Man, I mean, I like my
crime fictional.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
So yeah, I really do appreciate what you do.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Oh, I very much appreciate that. And for all of
you listeners, X is also friends with Iris.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah for a long time.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Iris has been on the show a lot. And every
time Iris comes on, I get so many love notes.
Everyone loves Iris, so X. It's a big happy family
over here, y'all.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
It is, and I feel nurtured and supported.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Good. Do I need to start gentle parenting? Did I
find my need?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
We listen and we don't judge.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
We listen and we don't judge. Uh well, I'm so
glad to have you on here to talk about this.
This year has been absolutely terrible so far. I mean,
I think that you have two camps of people, right,
you have speaking more for women, at least on my side.
You have the women that are like New Year, knew
me twenty twenty five is going to be so great
and I'm going to.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Be all better and have good habits.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
And you know, like that that type of person which
they make me want to self immilate, and then like
this this year, though, I was coming into twenty twenty
five like great, I you know, had a you know,
have my big promotion. I was super happy. I think
a lot of you listened on the Patreon episode back
in the day. You know, I was in a really

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toxic relationship a couple of years ago, gained a bunch
of weight. I've lost a lot of weight over the
last year. I was feeling good about myself. I am
madly freaking in love like I was coming into twenty
twenty five soaring, and then I lost my job two
days after Christmas.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
That's that's not good. You know.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
It's like I said, twenty twenty five would be the
better year and I'd lose the bad habits. But so
far I've pretty much just lost my job and my
dignity and almost the will willlive. So that's how we
are entering twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
I mean, I drink a case of garage beer last night,
So what can I say?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Right?

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Right? So how about you?

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Did you have any New Year's resolutions on your side
or do you not you know, subscribe to that nonsense.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
I know myself well enough to know that if I
resolve to do something, it probably is.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Not going to happen. So really, oh, I mean baby steps.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
You know, like people are like, it's New Year's Day,
I'm going to go to fucking Planet Fitness and I'm
going to lift all late and tread all the mills.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
No, don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
Wait at least two three weeks before you start in
on anything. I mean, do I want to go back
on Keto? Sure?

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I do.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
I like eating keto. I like eating clean that way.
Am I making a big pot of beef stew and
sticky rice for dinner tonight? You bet your ass? Because
you know what, it's only the nine. Give me until
March before I start eating nothing, but you know, sausage
and steak.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
I mean, I mean, I I I more power to you.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
I decided, you know, I was feeling a little I
don't know, idealistic, I guess. And then twenty twenty five hit.
All this crap has been going down, and I'm like,
you know what, it's not gonna be. It's it's definitely
gonna be a new.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Year, new me.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
But this new me is gonna be worse.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
It's gonna be worse, Like, I'm just embracing it at
this point.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
I'm embracing it.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
I'm kind of like new year old me. So what, Yeah,
it's worked, it's worked so far. Will stop right?

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Oh so yeah, if any of you guys have like
fun New Year's resolutions, or if you still have and
retained your will to live nine days into the new year,
please let me know how what your secret is.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
If you had resolutions and have already broken them, send
those into because that's also extremely fun.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yes, I would love to go through a list of
broken New Year's resolutions. But remember, we listen and we
don't judge.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
That's right, we don't judge.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
Oh god, actually we do just silently. We don't judge
out loud, but inside we're like, oh my god, what
the fuck.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
A garbage person is this?

Speaker 5 (09:48):
Oh my god, it's so true though, I don't know though.
On TikTok and Facebook and whatnot, the reels of that,
we listen and we don't judge, and then it's just
friends sitting around telling each other really just horrible things
that they've done or said and whatnot. And it's like
I'm sitting here judging. I am judging, just like, what
kind of person are you? Jesus Christ?

Speaker 6 (10:09):
Exactly, It's like, we listen and we don't judge. By
the way I let your husband fist my ass at
the New Year's Eve.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Oh okay, And then when someone gets upset, they're like, remember,
we listen and we don't judge, And.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
That's how you get cases for your true crime show.
Because god, race, they didn't judge.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
But then they shoved that person into the truck of
their car and drove it into a.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
Lake, right put them through a wood chipper. Oh God,
speaking of wood chippers and the shit show that is
twenty twenty five, Let's talk about some stuff that has happened.
Where do you want to start, sir?

Speaker 6 (10:49):
I was going to take notes, I really really was,
but then things just kept happening and happening, and I
sort of became overwhelmed by the by the weird awfulness.
So I reckon, we'll just take shit as it comes,
and we'll start with let's start with New.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Year's New Orleans.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
Let's just start with Louisiana because it seems to be
the toxic hotspot of twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Five so far.

Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah, So, what was the New Year's celebration in New
Orleans and some some asshole ran a rented truck into
a whole group of people, killed fifteen of them, including himself,
an injured thirty five.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I think this is in the French.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Quarter now Bourbon Street, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Bourbon Street.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
Now, if you listen to some media outlets, they will
tell you that this person had an ISIS flag on
the back of their truck, which was later hidden. So
nobody made that connection. I don't know if that's true
or not. Photos I don't trust anything anymore. All I

(12:04):
know is that that's a lot of people who died
who shouldn't have because they were just trying to have
a damn good time.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
And that sucks.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
No, it's incredibly sad, and it's I mean, all hell
literally broke loose, you know. I mean, it was absolutely awful,
and it was forty Okay. So the suspect was forty
two year old sham Saden Jabbar. He was a US
citizen from Texas. He was also previous prior military and
like you said, his pickup truck, which apparently he rented

(12:36):
it is as far as what like I believe the
FBI last said. And the ices thing is so interesting
in particular, and I allowed to preface this entire episode
by saying that I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
I've always laughed at that.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Just I take things, you know, I subscribe to Aukham's
Razor right like all the time, but with ninet nine
point nine percent of things. But for some reason, I guess,
since like the beginning of this, maybe I trust no
one and nothing. And the video for this attack, which
you can see multiple videos, some of them are just heinous.

(13:09):
You see the truck driving down and accelerating. There's no
flag on the vehicle. And then in some other screenshots
they showed an ISIS flag like on a what do
you call it, a pole off the side of the
back of the truck or something. Yes, And then but
we've never actually seen it, and all the crime scene
photos things like that, you know, after he crashed it

(13:29):
into a crane, he got out, he started firing at police.
They took him out, like and magically the police just
decided to cover the ISIS flag immediately, and not a
single picture was taken of it.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
Well, I mean, like I said, I have seen photos,
but I don't know if if they're real, because they're
they're blurry and smoky a little bit, so I can't
tell them if it's photoshop or AI or whatever.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
God AI is terrifying these days. We can lay delve
into that in a moment, but it's uh no, it's
absolutely crazy. So we had we started off the New
Year literally with the attack in New Orleans, which also,
by the way, he apparently made multiple recordings which are
widely available on YouTube as well. He put all of

(14:20):
I guess these rants or you know whatever. I mean,
he's wearing like an office coat he has sitting in
a nice office, and he's talking about how he wanted
to kill his family and then go join isis well.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
I mean, that's also on New Year's resolution, right, I.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Mean, I guess, I guess.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I'm not trying to make.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Lie, but I am so no, absolutely, Oh.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
The morbid sense of humor comes through again.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
So I don't know if he was a domestic terrorist
or not. I mean, it seems it just seems too
on the nose, doesn't it. That there's like a flood here,
like a flag. It just seems really obvious, like look
over here.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
So I don't know it does.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
And that's the thing is like the world is so
crazy right now. You don't know what to believe because
we're learning just almost on a daily basis at this point,
just different things that our government is keeping from us
or lying about. Yes, it is crazy, and so it
just makes me not trust anything. And I've never been
that person. I've always been the yeah, sure whatever, FBI said,

(15:33):
x Y and Z Homeland Security set x y and
Z President said this, sure, And now it's like, Nope,
I don't believe any of you.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
With anything. I wouldn't trust you to take care of
my dog.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
We've always been at war with Eurasia.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yeah right, I mean it seems like the easy scapegoat
and boogeyman.

Speaker 6 (15:55):
You know, tenuous connections because when these two events happened,
they tried to put them together. But on January second,
a dude drove a rented Tesla and parked in front
of was it a hotel or a casino? One of
Trump's properties, and he blew it up real good. He

(16:17):
shout himself with a desert eagle. The car exploded, injured
seven people, didn't kill anybody except him, because you know,
he shot himself. And again inside the car they found
military ID basically untouched.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
There's no that.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Okay, this is the rabbit hole that I've been going
down for a full week. So I would love to
talk this out with you, okay, because something is so
weird and off here. There was a gentleman, and he
was a highly decorated special ops dude too, Matthew Libelsberger.
I mean he was highly decorated. He'd been deployed multiple

(16:59):
places over the world, highly decorated, insane amount of continued education.
He specialized in drones.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
In drones.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Oh, this is a fact I did not know.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yeah, that was his absolute specialty. We're supposed to.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
The actual story, right, is that he left his Colorado
Springs home the day after Christmas. He got into a
fight with his wife over apparent infidelity. He had been
apparently cheating on her and his wife she had just
had a baby, they had a daughter, and they apparently
got into this huge fight.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
She knew that he cheated on her. They got into
a fight.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
He just took off, so he then rented a cyber truck.
Just oh god, they're so ugly. God, they looked like
dumpsters and wheels.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Dude.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
I saw them in the wild for the first time
over the past weekend. I'd never seen one in real
life before, and it was just sitting at like a
stop flight, and I just thought, my god, that just
looks like that looks like a geometry mistake. It's just
angular and non Euclidean, and it looks like it has cheekbones.
And those things are discussing.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
They're so gross, so gross. I had a I mean,
I live in Nashville. I have a visceral reaction every
single time I see one here.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
It's just.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
No, sir, douche canoes with wheels.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
Yes, but he decided to get onto the Touro app
and where you can rent it's private renting, basically car rentals,
and he rented one, and then he decided to eventually
make his way to Vegas, so he parked in front
of the Trump Hotel on New Year's Day, basically detonated
the explosives after he shot himself in the head with
a massive desert eagle. If you don't know what a

(18:50):
desert eagle is, look it up, because that was Would
you call that overkill?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Absolutely, it got the job done, I guess.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
But if you shoot yourself and then blow up the car, yeah,
you're you're making double shure, You're.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
He is making sure it is done.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
You know, there wasn't a lot of information that came
out about it, but it was really weird, right like
because he blew up the car, but it was very
clear that there were fireworks and things like that in
the car. Right in the video, it's very clear that
it wasn't just a car fire like, there were devices
in the car.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
You can see the fireworks bouncing off of the pavement.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, And so people were wondering, is this,
you know, an anti Trump attack?

Speaker 4 (19:36):
You know what exactly is this?

Speaker 5 (19:38):
And then information about him starts pouring out, So you know,
obviously Tesla, you know Elon Musk Trump, you know, was
this a form of protest? But again, he was an
active member of the Special Forces. He was he almost
his friend said that he was very he quote quote

(19:58):
direct quote Rambo type patriot. He was a huge Trump supporter.
And so people, I guess just like didn't understand why
he did it. And then more information starts coming out.
And I would be a miss if I didn't mention
the Sean Ryan podcast debacle bullshit, because I am still
to this day unsure of what the hell is happening there.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
Yeah, same, I don't know. You listen to the show
and it's just like he's one of these guys I
have very secret information. I have guests that have very
secret information. By the way, please subscribe to my newsletter
and invest in gold. I have an affiliate link.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yes, So for those of you who don't know, so,
Sean Ryan is basically ex military himself.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
He is.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
I guess he has some really cool guests on, Like,
he has some really really cool guests on. But what
I don't understand is that he, like X just said,
he kind of has I have very special or I
have X, Y and Z. He has Sarah Adams on
quite frequently, who I'm actually fascinated by her. She basically
is XCIA specialized in hunting down Taliban and so you

(21:11):
learn a lot from I guess the military point of
view on his podcast. But you know, as you can imagine,
it's kind of maybe pandering to the proud boy three
percent or crowd.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Maybe a little bit. Would you say that's accurate?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
That seems accurate?

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, yeah, kind of like that circle are the ones
that like, you know, come to him. His demographic I guess,
but so apparently, and this is verified by the FBI.
About like three days before this, Matthew Leibelsberger reached out
to a friend of Sean Ryan, another gentleman who's large

(21:48):
in the military social media community, and it is like,
I have something I need to say. I need you
to get it. Get me over to Sean Ryan, and
he didn't believe it at first. They went back and forth.
I'm not going to go through the whole story, but basically,
long story short, he does actually end up getting connected
and he sends over his like an email manifesto, like

(22:09):
saying why he did what he did. He sent this
email and I want to read some of it because
it's absolutely batshit. The last episode or next to last
episode that I did, we talked about drones, which I
know X I'm dying to talk about the germs with you,
so this is going to tie into that. But really quickly,

(22:30):
I'm going to read some of this email he said.
So this Tesla bomber Dude sent this to the Paul
Ryme podcast. This was sent on December thirty first, in
case I do not make it to my decision point
or on or onto the Mexican border.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
I am sending this now.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Please do not release this until one January and keep
my identity private until then. First off, I'm not under
duress or hostile influencer control. My first car was the
two thousand and six black Ford Mustang V six. For verification,
what we have been seeing with quote unquote drones is
the operational use of gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft by

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most recently China in the East Coast, but throughout history
the US only we in China have this capability. Our
opposite location for this activity is in the box below.
China has been launching them from the Atlantic Ocean from
submarines for years, but this activity recently has picked up.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
As of now.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
It is just a show of force and they are
using it similar to how they use the balloon for
a signet in ISR or JSR, which are also part
of the integrated commsystem. There are dozens of these balloons
in the air at any given time. The so what
is because of the speed and stealth of these unmanned
aircraft that they are most dangerous threat to national security

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that has ever existed. They basically have an unlimited payload
capacity and can park it over the White House if
they wanted to.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
It's checkmate.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
The US government needs to give the history of this,
how we were employing it and weaponizing it, and how
China is employing them, and what the way forward is
China is poised to attack anywhere on the East coast.
And then he goes into like some you know, he
claims that he had knowledge of a huge war crime
incident in Afghanistan that he was part of, that he

(24:17):
felt bad for it, and then he said that he
needed to basically more or less get this information out
about the drones.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
I'm very confused by the unlimited payload because I don't
see how that is possible unless there's some sort of
weaponry that we are not currently aware of, Like I
don't know, even if it was like an AMP, wouldn't
that just cause the drones to fall down too? So

(24:47):
I don't know what he's talking about as far as
that unlimited payload. Also, we've been talking about, you know,
gravitic propulsion system since the nineteen fifties. This is not new.
This isn't a new thing that we just suddenly came
up with. We can talk about this for decades. You
know why why now, I guess that's my question, especially

(25:10):
since there was a huge wave of UAP sidings back
in the fifties as well. You can go back and
see photos of UFOs over the White House.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yes, so.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
I love too the retro Like to your point though,
like we've been studying this this since the fifties, and
a lot of you know, the fifties kind of were
like the alien abduction, right, the alien siding, UFO sighting hotspot,
and a ninety nine percent of that was our crafts
that we were researching and building trying to figure out
this shit.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
Yeah, so I don't see any reason why it wouldn't
be the same thing here, Like we've always I've always
thought maybe some sort of geomapping project since it popped
up again recently. But you know, but now the drones
are God, they're everywhere.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
So I've seen one. I mean, you haven't you seen
one now at this point too?

Speaker 3 (26:05):
No, And I've looked.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
I had one flight over my house like two or
three weeks ago. I remember telling you immediately it sounded
I think I talked about it on a previous episode too,
But like I was just chilling in my bedroom listening
to some vinyl and I was on the phone and
then all of a sudden, my house started shaking and
it sounded like a jet was coming over me, and
I was like, what the fuck? And so I ran
outside and because the only time I've ever heard that

(26:28):
sound before, I was actually experiencing an earthquake.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
It was really weird.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
I know that there were some sided it's isn't sound funny.
There was some sided over a Target store that's like
six miles away from my house. I didn't see them,
but it's like, why would you be over Do you
need Starbucks? Do you need to get some skinny jeans?
Why are you over at Target? That's hilarious to me.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
So, yeah, they've been closed by.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
I've not seen one in person, and of course people
are like, oh, it's not drones, it's paper lanterns.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Fuck it is, No, it's not.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, if I see one more person, if I see
one more person called these Chinese lanterns, I'm going to
fucking go on a spree, and not a shopping spree.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
Let's jump to January fourth, drones were cited over Detmark
of all places, and I can't pronounce this. I'm going
to slaughter this, but it was the port city of kig.
That's way too many vowels k O E g E,
so I don't know how. But it was southwest of Copenhagen.

(27:41):
And they've also seen drones over military bases around the world,
like the Ramstein base.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Yeah, Germany has seen so many of them. In Germany
is like, we have no idea what these are.

Speaker 6 (27:56):
They're like, are they is it a Russian sabotage? What
is this? Is this what's going on?

Speaker 5 (28:04):
So well, you and I have talked about this at length,
like AX and I literally just message and talk about
this shit all the time. And I was on board
with you, I thought initially, I guess, like mid December,
when all of these reports started coming out, I said, Okay,
that's a weird way for our US government to do
geo mapping. But sure, I guess, because that's the only

(28:24):
thing that would make sense. But it's the way in
the movements. You start having commercial airline pilots come out,
you know, and the audio released from their calls to
traffic controllers of I'm seeing some weird shit. Now you
have people who are actually videoing out of plane windows
the drones and they're moving on a dime, like they're

(28:46):
going one hundred and eighty degrees in less than a
split second, Like they are performing maneuvers that to at
least our knowledge, right, our peon knowledge shouldn't even be
humanly possible. Or I guess even most in the military,
even you know, most people don't. I mean, maybe you
don't have the security clearance or you know, have it,
aren't aware of systems that can work like that. And

(29:06):
gravitic propulsion, like X said, we've been studying it since
the nineteen fifties, and I if you kind of in
layman's terms, I mean, I guess it's like Santa Claus right,
like he uses gravity gravitic propulsion, you know, to do that.
And I guess the more scientific way to describe that
is weight. Scientifically, weight equals mass by gravity, you know,

(29:28):
times gravity. And this is why in space we're weightless
because there's zero gravity, but we still have the same
amount of mass, right, so two hundred and fifty pound
person in space will still be weightless even though you know,
there's still the same amount of mass there. So gravitic
propulsion is basically like, okay, cool, what if we could

(29:48):
manipulate gravity so that we could generate lift limited only
by whatever you know, mechanism governs that, like I assume
like amount of energy or whatever. So basically you could
just raise or lift things without you know, care, like
you know Santa Claus or I guess ships and drones

(30:09):
and planes and things like that, and then that would
also enable you based on whatever energy source it is,
to perform maneuvers that we are seeing that some of
these drones are making.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
And that makes me consider another point based on what
you just said that I had never thought of before.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
What if the drones run on Christmas spirit?

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Well, where is Buddy the Elf when we fucking need him?

Speaker 6 (30:32):
He's in Central Park apparently, or trying to set a
new Heart's lap.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Oh okay, And for the record, Elf is the best
Christmas movie. I'm sorry, I'm sure you disagree with me,
but I love it so much.

Speaker 6 (30:47):
I love it too, So if there's a minority, if
there's a minority, we're in it.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Good good, glad to be here with you. And that
just means that we're not going to fight at least
in this episode.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
No it, I'll come later. We'll just make shit up
to find about.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Robin O man, but it's crazy. What do you think?

Speaker 6 (31:12):
What I would think? What do I think the drones are?
I am I am confused because I felt like we
had an idea. I felt like we it was like
some sort of advanced almost like a light oar system,
you know, where you could get up to a certain
height and then it would whatever the waves. I don't

(31:35):
have the actual word for it, but the waves would
penetrate the ground and tell you what's underneath. And maybe
they were looking for minerals or you know, who knows lithium.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Well, there was a speculation that there apparently was a
lost like some nuclear material that they were basically aware
of being trafficked into the US. I can't remember if
it was you know, terrorism or whatever, but supposedly that
did actually happen. It was on the news, and initially

(32:06):
they thought that that's what the drones were. They were
scanning for radiation basically to see if they could find
these materials. But that makes no sense either to me.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
It makes sense to a certain degree, but it seems
like that would be something that would be handled by
like a CIA underground operation, you know, infiltrators into terrorist
groups trying.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
To find that stuff.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
Having a worldwide sweep for radioactive material, you're gonna.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Get a lot of false positives too, I would think.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
So oh, I would imagine, I can't.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either.
The other thing doesn't make sense to me is the
sound of the drones, which you heard, like you said,
it shook your whole house. How is it that we
or somebody is able to have a gravitic propulsion system
but they can't fix their muffler.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Right, right?

Speaker 5 (33:06):
And then another point we're going to you know, be
talking about probably here in a moment, but like the
wildfires in California right now, how do we have technology
to do all sorts of stuff, Like we build enough
bombs to blow up every single civilization in the entire world,
but we can't put out forest fires and.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
We can't do anything really to not eliminate, but reduce
the cause or the possibility of them happening. That's interesting
to me too. I guess it's is it drought that's
causing it in California? Because I see a lot of
people saying that it's climate change that is causing these fires.

(33:48):
And if that's the case, that's completely our fault. We
did that. We absolutely did that. And you can't apologize
enough for fires that are basically threatening to wipe out
a huge part of Los Angeles County.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
It's so incredibly sad.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
I have a lot of friends who live in La
none that I've lost their homes yet, but it's just
I'm getting, you know, on the ground updates from it
and pictures, and it's just so incredibly sad. I just
it could be global warming. I mean, I lived in Oregon,
right and I lived in Portland and we had the
forest fires, and was it twenty twenty or twenty nineteen
that took over basically like a third of the state

(34:30):
and I had to wear Yeah, I was living there,
and I had to wear a gas mask inside my
own fucking house. Like we had, you know, all the
windows and everything taped up. We had the doors taped up,
couldn't go outside, dogs had to pee indoors. It was
absolutely insane. And I wasn't in the path of a fire.
I think the closest one was like fifteen miles away,
But like, I just can't imagine or fathom what they're

(34:53):
going through. I mean, of course Trump blames he told
Gavin Newsome to clean the forest floors and that would
have taken care of all of it.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Yes, just just somebody with a mop, just go on in,
just suck up all those leaves and pond needles.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I mean, I've lived through a house fire and it's awful.
It is.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
It's terrifying. There there really aren't words for it. Just
you know, one second you've got all your ship and
then the next second you don't. Yeah, it's it's it's
it's horrible. And yeah, I don't really know how to
describe it.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
That is awful. Yeah, I can't. I can't imagine.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
And it's just so much stuff and circling back really
really quick to the to the drones and whatnot. Just
do you think we're ever going to get an answer
about this?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Because what I.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Find so fascinating, and again I'm not a conspiracy theorist,
but what I found so fad find so so fascinating
here is that US government officials are asking for answers.
The New Jersey governor, sorry, a New Jersey share you know,
they had an industrial grade drone, you know, for his
sheriff department, and they he ended up putting it up
in the air trying to get pictures and photos and

(36:09):
stuff of it, and he said, like, we have you know,
top of the line industrial grade basically you know, gre
drone that you can buy possibly on the market, and
it couldn't even keep up with it. It just disappeared.
And he had footage of that, like it just kind
of darted all over the place, like couldn't you know
do it? Hundreds of officials have said, hey, can you
please give us an answer here at this point, there's

(36:31):
been thousands of eyewitnesses, and I feel like the government,
you know, the Biden administration, they are gaslighting the shit
out of us.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
I agree, and I don't think.

Speaker 6 (36:43):
I don't think we're going to know what they are
until they do something besides fly, if they have any
other capabilities, We're not going to have any idea what
they are until they actually do something.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Does that make sense, Yeah, well, let's talk about that,
because one big thing that people are claiming, and you
know there are several videos online. I know that you
and I have talked about this and seen them as well,
is the fog.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Oh yes, the fog.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
The fog and the stank. There's a stench that there's this.
There's a stench that is associated with this. So apparently
in some areas, particularly Texas, from what I recall, people
are saying that the drones are springing some sort of

(37:38):
liquid I guess, some sort of chemical that is causing
a They call it a fog. It doesn't really look
like a fog. It's kind of like a misty smoke.
It's like when you open the door to a dive
bar and everything just kind of goes rolling out into
the street. So that's that's what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
But it's droplets.

Speaker 6 (37:59):
They're just suspended, almost like when a cloud gets real
close to the earth. But it apparently smells bad. And
you and I saw that video of it left behind
some sort of residue in a woman's swimming pool in Texas,
and it looked like it looked like styrofoam. Well, but

(38:21):
at the same time it was in little strips, so
it kind of looked like egg drop soup except white.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
I don't I don't know. It was very odd.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
I don't remember ever seeing anything like it, so I
don't know if the fog has caused that, or if
there was some kind of weird I don't know. Algeinet
in the pool already. But whatever the drones are, they
are apparently dropping something. I don't know if it's toxic
or if it's some sort of you know, my question

(38:54):
when I saw that TikTok video was if there had
been a fire in the area, because it almost looks
like that flame suppressing foam that you would phone me, uh,
spray onto a forest fire.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
So I don't know, it's bizarre, but there have been
many videos at this point showing the drones appearing to
spray something. And then, I mean it's always and then
especially if you believe in like New Jersey and Virginia,
people are getting sick, like sick sick. But then again,
we are also in the middle of flu season, right,
and we're having a huge uptaken flu naturally, you.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
Know, side rodovirus RSV, the COVID COVID.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, it's all yes, all.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Of that could be explained away naturally, you know. Sure,
but the fog is so fucking weird. I saw another video,
and I believe this one was in New Mexico, and
I mean it was warm, right, but the fog, it
was not cold, no snow, nothing like that. And the
guy was walking through the fog and he was moving
his hands and the way that it just kind of
clung to his hand. I mean, it was thick, thick

(40:02):
with two SE's thick, and it was just really weird,
the condensation in the way that it was like clinging
to his hands. And He's like, I've never witnessed this
in my entire life. And I've tried to research and
ask friends who are far smarter than I am in
terms of science and the weather and things like that,
what kind of phenomenon now, you know, naturally or organically
could this be?

Speaker 4 (40:22):
And no one knows. This is weird.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
I think it has to be something synthetic, otherwise it
wouldn't cling like that. I mean, we're adults. We know
what condensation feels like. We've been through fog, We've stood
in fog. We've seen movies about the fog. I mean,
you know the whole thing. This is something different, and
I don't know. I mean, I guess you could relate

(40:46):
it to know if kem trails are real, perhaps there's
that possibility, But it's too coincidental that this is happening
while the drones are lighting up the skies.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
I know, and isn't it amazing that we've gotten no
answers and the coverage of it has just largely fallen away.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
Yeah, and I think that's a there's a distraction factor
to that, to distract us from other things that are
potentially going on. The media seems to have taken the
government's sort of explanation and be like, Okay, well, obviously
this is what it is. These are just drones that

(41:29):
people are flying around. They're personal, they're not government mandated
or facilitated or anything like that. And I just.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
I think there's more, really, there is more.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
I mean, you heard about the testing with the particulates
that have been left over like that lady's foam in
her pool or you know, it almost looks like hale,
but it isn't hail, right right. People have actually tested
it and there are higher levels than normal of radiation.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Oh good boy?

Speaker 4 (42:02):
That Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Yeah, people have been independently testing it. You know, you
can go on podcasts, you can look it up like verifiable.
People have tested this and there it's higher levels of
radiation than than normal. I should get the actual breakdown
because a couple of these reports have been fully posted online.
But it's like, what the fuck.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
Is it and where is it coming from? And why
is it happening now? Is that just in the States
or is that on a global level?

Speaker 4 (42:31):
That's the only test that I've seen have been done
in the US.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Okay, I don't know why that seemed important to me
at the time, but I was just curious.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Yeah, but then you have Okay, ufoologists, right, we have
you know, Stephen Greer, love him or hate him. A
lot of people can't stand him, think he's a grifter,
so on and so forth. But you know, he basically
was an er doctor, er physician, and he's been obsessed
with UFOs and he retired to basically dedicate his whole
life to UFOs.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
He kind of comes out.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
He also does documentary movies on the topic, and especially
the topic of disclosure, right, like when our government is
going to tell us that, you know, aliens exist or
non human entities as it were. And I mentioned on
the podcast episode a couple weeks ago too, that you
have you know a bunch of other people in the
community are saying that twenty twenty five, is it, like

(43:23):
before the drones were even spotted. I think they've been
saying this for like a year that in twenty twenty five,
we're going to start seeing aircrafts up and down our
coasts and then eventually disclosure will come because the US government.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Can't hide it anymore.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
And I was reading all about that like six seven
months ago before all of this UFO the Drone shit happened,
and so I got really really excited by that. I
was like, man, if this comes into fruition, I'm gonna just,
you know, die, but.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Of happiness.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
But I don't know, do you think there's any chance
in Snowball as well that this could be non human
in origin?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I think there's a very slight chance.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
Slight, slight, yeah, And I hate saying that because, like
you you know, grew up watching old sci fi movies,
So I'm you know, this could be I mean, it
smells a lot like the plot for the Day the
Earth Stood Still MHM, which is essentially a happy film.
It's at least a hopeful film, and that would be

(44:27):
an ideal outcome for all of this. But then again,
what if the people who are saying that it's aliens
are right and they keep getting shadowed down and he
end up like Kevin McCarthy, you know, an invasion of
the body snatchers, just running around the.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Highway, yell them they're here, They're already here. Oh god.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
So again, I don't think we're going to know until
they actually do something, and it's probably going to be violent.
It's probably going I think it's going to and I
think I think the first contact idea is very sweet.

(45:07):
I like that idea a lot. But I also think
it's probably more likely that there's going to be a
crash of one of the drones or an actual attack
on a city somewhere, and that's when we're really going
to figure out, Oh, here's what's happening. So kind of

(45:29):
waiting for the hammer to fall.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
There, Honestly, can we get like cool aliens? I don't
want a quiet place aliens, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I don't want death angels dropping down from the sky.
No with you. I want the cool ones.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
I want the ones to have like, you know, silver
suits and.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Bald heads. So there's like we come in peace and
they raised their hand in some kind of weird gang sign.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
You know, yeah that I don't want the fourth kinds
under the skin, Although Scarlett Johansson can you know, put
me into a black pool of goo anytime she wants.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
The last full of goo you ever got in ever.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
But yeah, I don't know. It's just so interesting. It's
so weird. I feel like we're in such a weird crossroads.
It just doesn't feel real, you know what I mean.
It just feels like twenty twenty five just feels like
an extension of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
Yeah, it's like there wasn't really a new year. Like
we're just all kind of hanging around watching the simulation
fall apart at the seams.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Yes, that's exactly what it feels like.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
I think it's interesting how half the country is on
fire and then the other half is getting winter storms.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Half the country is literally getting railed by h winter
storm right now. Like I know you and I are
both preparing for the big storm to night.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
Oh yeah, dude, Like if if if I could shoot
it and make it go away, I would, because I
live I live in Knoxville, and we're not that far
away from each other, but I lived at in a holler. Man,
if I could snowed in, I'm you're not going to
see my ass until March.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Just I'm sorry we can't get out. I know it's
twenty twenty seven. But we still can't get out.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Man.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
That's I mean, I'm kind of in the sane, not
quite in the same boat. But I live on a huge,
huge hill, and so a couple of years, like two
years ago, we had an ice. It was a snowstorm,
but because of I guess, perfect storm here. If I
live on a huge hill and then we have a
lot of trees on the roads, it just freezes over,
so like it just freezes and we don't you know,
obviously in Tennessee, we don't have plow trucks, you know,

(47:48):
really on the you know, residential roads and things like that.
So I'm just looking forward to basically being stuck in
my house for the next five or six days, unable
to leave.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yeah. Same, extremely same.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
Oh I know, I know because we were talking about
Louisiana at the top of the show and we.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Had our first verified death from bird flu.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Yo, what is going on in Louisiana right now?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Jeez, man, I have no idea. It's just.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Didn't there attorney general or somebody on a lot of
themselves recently. Yes, So you don't think of Louisiana as
being a place where, you know, they are covering the
things up. But it could very well be I don't know,
things are going insane and here let me just let

(48:44):
me go on a little rant if you don't care,
because with all the stuff that is going on and
the media coverage of it all, it's very difficult to
figure out. That's what this is no secret. I used
to write for Newsweek, and I did it for a

(49:05):
little bit over a year, and I was on the
night shift and I covered the politics meet and this
is during the first Trump administration, and I essentially anytime
you would ask the White House Press Office anything, they
would stonewall you. I remember somebody asking the Press Office

(49:30):
a question one time and they literally wrote back, nobody
cares and refused to answer the question. I'm serious. So
they were very unhelpful. And as a former reporter, it
was more aggregation of news than anything else, I realized
that it's easy to fall into some despair because even

(49:57):
from when I was doing it professionally, shit has just gotten.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Worse and worse.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
So I think, if you're worried about what is happening
and what is or how to deal, I have tips.
I don't want to be that guy, but I have tips.
And the first tip is real simple. Check your sources.
Make sure you're dealing with somebody reliable. I always used

(50:25):
AP Associated Press, I used Reuters, or I used the
German site Deutsch Wells. Those always seem to be really
on point and professional and not given to editorializing or bullshit.
When you're looking in the face of disasters, the wildflowers,

(50:47):
I can't say that word wild fires in the palisades,
or the snow, or we're still dealing with the aftermath
of the hurricane here in this part of the country.
If it makes you feel better, help, Hey, you can't
just volunteer, donate, signal boost whatever you can do without
depleting your own energy resources.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Do it.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
And I think that's so important to that point too,
people make fun of people who on social media just
repost right that they're not putting in their time or
volunteer work or effort or I find that's especially true
on the liberal side of the aisle. You know, okay, well,
you're just gonna repost or talk about it. You're not
going to actually get in the trenches and do something.
It's like, not everybody can, you know, not everyone has

(51:34):
the ability, for whatever reason to actually go out on
the ground and do whatever, you know, they think they can.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
So, but I mean, dude, we've got one we've got
one car. I can't drive to every protest I want
to go to. You know, I got to go to
the store, I got to go the dump. I gotta
share a vehicle.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
I can't. Yeah, I just can't make it everywhere.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
But I think just getting things into public view is
just so. And oh, the meta meta, the fact checkers disappearing.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's terrifying.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
It's terrifying. It's awful.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
It means that even more so than now, people are
going to be getting their news from from memes or
from and accurate sources bought farms other foreign entities, perhaps
just to spread misinformation and disinformation. So again, check your

(52:33):
fucking sources and cross check them against other sources.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
You know.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
Yeah, no, I mean it's true. And here's the thing
with so it's terrifying. Is that so meta? You know,
the parent company of Facebook, they instated fact checkers on there.
So like you may have you come across an article
or a link and it says that it's true or false,
or you know, at least maybe we'll note the discrepancy
in it right.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
So so these were.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
Basically put in place in twenty sixteen because of Donald Trump.
And I don't care if you voted for him. The
man is a fucking liar. He lies about everything. A
lot of the right wing newspapers and websites and blogs
also make up an insane amount of fucking shit about him,
and they had to put fact checkers in on Facebook. Well,

(53:23):
they chose to to basically call out the bullshit there.
And so the recent election, Mark Zuckerberg came out and
announced that they are doing away with this magically after
Trump's recent election the second one, and Mark Zuckerberg said,
the recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point
towards once again prioritizing speech.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Now.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
It's also amazing that Meta and you know, Zuckerberg both
got a huge quote unquote donation from Trump backed organizations,
which amazing. But this is going to impact Facebook, Instagram
and threads. Yes, you know Trump constantly, you know, was
on them call all the time, talking about they have
an anti conservative bias, which you know, maybe Twitter got

(54:06):
popped I believe with that pre elon Musk, but it's
going to be the wild West on the Internet.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Internet again.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
Yeah, and you're not going to know what to believe
because it's all going to be well, not all of it.
Some of it's obvious, you know, like if you see
a picture of somebody it's oh good, okay, true life. Example,
my dad messaged me a few days ago and he
was like, did you hear Rhonda Rowsy and Roman Reigns
got married?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
And I was like, no, they didn't.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
And I went looking and I found one picture on
Facebook that showed rousing and rains, like gazing lovingly into
each other's eyes, you know, and it was a bridal sort.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Of thing, and it was so obviously not real. I
was like, no, Dad, stop, don't fall for everything you see.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
This is completely untrue and it's de monstras demonstratively false. Yeah,
but it's it's it's going it's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
It's going to keep getting worse.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
So I mean, and I think we've all, you know,
we all have older family members too, like Nana, you know,
ninety year old Nana's Like, well, I saw on Freedom
Eagle dot com slash us that you know, Barack Obama
was a love child of Osama bin Laden.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
It's true and it's like, no, Nana.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
Let's get you to bed right at the home, right,
but put in your teeth, let's go. Yeah, We're going
to see so much more of that. And it's not
just you know, obviously I'm not a Trump fan, clearly,
but it's not just Trump. It's everything else too, write
like everything else in the world, news, the drones, healthcare,

(55:47):
bird flu covid, like everything else is going to be
impacted by this. And it's not just a political issue
at all. It's just it's awful.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
It is.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
And I hate to sound like one of those people
too that's just like, oh, you can't trust anything, But
I feel like it's getting to that point. I feel
like there are so many how do I want to
say this. I feel like people want to distract ordinary
citizens from what is going on so much that they've

(56:18):
lost track of what is actually going on. So now
everything is a distraction, Everything is a fireworks display, everything
is a ferris wheel, and there's not really too many
ways to know what's actually happening.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
And well, we ever like I'm at the point now
where I mean, I've always kind of leaned this this way,
but I just want to go live in the Woods
in an a fram house off the grid. Yeah, honestly,
I'm so tired of people. I am so tired of
people as a whole.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
Yeah, I agree with that. And again, if you are
the same way, you don't have to go to a protest.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
You can signal boost It's fine, right, is important.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
I just I don't want to be around all those people.
It's because of what they believe. It's just like people.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
God.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
I posted a meme yesterday on Facebook and it was
a Beatlejuice meme and it was like, every time I
go out into the world and he says, God, there
are too many people on this earth.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
I feel the same way. I really do.

Speaker 6 (57:18):
I have like very few people I actually want to
see in person. So it's easy to fall into despair
right now. You know, you can either take everything for
granted or you can just get real depressed. I don't know,
but I think that one of the important things about
getting through this year, whatever happens, is just to not

(57:42):
give up. But I'm not saying you got to go
fight or anything like that. I just mean whatever it
takes to keep your hope alive, do it. We've all
got different coping mechanisms. You know, and it might mean
drink the night away if it means you'll have something
to hold on to in the morning.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
No, it's true, and I mean it goes for everything too.
You know, people, I think a lot of people lost
hope during COVID, right like that, you know, all of that,
the lockdowns, and a lot of people lost hope. And
you know a lot of people turn to you know,
Netflix or friends or learning how to bake sourdough bread,
you know, or something like that. And it's so crazy
that our news cycle now is instant right, any mass

(58:20):
shooting that we have at a school, the terror attacks
on you know, in January, I mean within seconds, it's
blasted all over the internet. And I have a whole
handful of friends that I've actually completely disconnected, like they'll
have Messenger, but got rid of their socials and they're like,
you know what, there's nothing that i can do. There's
absolutely nothing that I can do other than survive in
this world. And that's all I'm going to do. I'm
not going to focus or just constantly read about awful

(58:42):
shit anymore.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Yeah, and I have to personally, I have to have it.
I'm nosy, I'm a nosy bitch, and I have to
know what's going on around me.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
I spent a long time after news.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
After I left this week, I spent a lot of
time just like I don't want to hear anything. I
don't want to hear anything. Just let me watch movies
that are forty years old. I want to listen to
like the first three Cure albums, and that's it. I
just I didn't want.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
I didn't want anything new. But now I'm just like, well, no,
we got to figure this out.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
But really quickly, do you not like the Cure's new album?

Speaker 6 (59:23):
I mean, it's Disintegration Part two, so it's fine, I
like it fairly well, but I will say this, and
this is really funny. Uh. When my wife and I
got together and combined our music collection, we had nine
copies of Disintegration between us.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
God, that is true love.

Speaker 6 (59:40):
If ever, I.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Don't even know why we how we got all those
copies of di.

Speaker 6 (59:49):
Just like, oh god, I'm afraid this one disc and
has plain song on it is called I just self distract.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
That's like my ex and I will we moved in together.
We had four copies of Martyrs.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
The Serious that is so funny. Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
We had four copies of Martyrs, obscure random horror movie
that we haven't seen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
I mean, I guess that's not so of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Course the remakes just fucking terrible. But yeah, I know.
I'm sorry. I shouldn't have brought it up. That's an athema.
I apologize.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
I'm hurting right now.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
I'm trying to collect myself.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
I don't have tourettes, but I may. Actually it's okay, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
All right, well none of them.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
Just four copies of Martin just impressive, because again, why
do you need that many copies of you know, finding
religious enlightenment by being skinned?

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I don't know that's funny, but you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
What, Oh I don't know, dude, I've never seen you
this happy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
So fuck Martyrs.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Well, it's true.

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
You're very you're upbeat, and you laugh a lot more
than you used to, so that pleases me, you know,
from a distance.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Well, I very much appreciate that. And honestly, like a
couple of you have reached out on Instagram and they're like,
and you're like, you look and seem so happy, and yes,
I am so happy right now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
I'm so happy.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
And then you know, twenty twenty five is really giving
it to us all. So but thank you. I haven't
been this happy in a very long time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Good.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
And you know what, if he can stay happy through
this coming year, good you've done, then you've accomplished something.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
I'm trying to lock it down next. I'm trying to
lock it down.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Totally understood.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
I can't believe that, like you had that influence over
my relationship. So backstory, seeing a girl that I saw
a long time ago as well, and it's kind of like,
you know, feel like it's a meant to be situation.
And I was talking to X, I'm like, god, I
just love her so much and act like you need
to lock it down. I haven't seen you this happy,
you know, like you said the same things like a

(01:02:07):
couple of weeks ago, and so it's like you need
to lock it down. So I told you know, the
girl this, and so now our entire language is about
you know, marriage and proposal is locking it down. So
your words, sir, will probably be in a forthcoming proposal.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Oh my god, that's wonderful. I feel really good about that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
You know, you better be there, You better be at
the wedding. A big gay wedding.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Oh hell yeah, hell ya. Oh my wife will be
there too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
I bet wait, can either one of you officiate?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
We both can officiate?

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Yes, yeah, we both can officiate.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
All right, well you're about to officiate a big gay wedding.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Sweet, that's fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
I will just bring your copies of the Cure. I'll
bring copies of Martyrs and it'll be a big party.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
And there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Because that sound like the most depressing night.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Ever for our reception, we're watching solo. God, enjoy the food.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
I was to say, can we watch it after we eat? Please?
After after? Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Please? Oh god, that's funny.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Oh but I hope you're twenty twenty five, and thank
you for your tips.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
And I mean that's again.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
I think to your biggest point too, is please check
your sources, folks, Like please, I don't even trust the
biggest sources myself, fully, but like it's better than freedom
Eagle dot com that you're you know, Nana's dog, groomer's
cousin is pulling off to you know, for all these
conspiracy theories.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
Yeah, exactly, America the greatest and it's spelled g R
A T E S.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
T Yeah. Yes, oh god, dot gop. I mean it's typical.
Let's not cut ourselves. Oh we need you know who
I miss?

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
You know who I miss most of all. Do you
remember in the election? I think it was like when
Obama is running the rent is too damn high, dude, Yes,
I fucking miss him. Why can't we have funny things
like that anymore?

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Yeah? God, we've lost our sense of humor in this country.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
We really have everything Like, Okay, I know everyone knows
like I'm far left. You know, I'm pretty far left,
but like, oh my god, the Democratic Party and my
fellow liberals, like I want to slap the shit out
of them half the time. We have completely lost our
sanity and sense of humor on our side as well.

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
Yeah, yeah, we have. See, just very few things are
fun anymore. You got to take fun where you find it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
It just so happens that my idea of fun is
slightly offensive.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Yeah, well, same.

Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
Unfortunately I can't go run a naked through the target.
Well the drones are overhead looking for Starbucks. But I
will say this, I've had a lot of fun talking
to you today. This has been probably the highlight of
my day. So thank you for even asking me to
come on.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Absolutely, thank you for coming on. It's been way too long.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
And I would absolutely love to have you come on
and talk movies because I know that's kind of where
our relationship and friendship began, which was the movie world.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
That's true. I would love to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
Yeah, just anytime you want to get into that conversation,
I'll be happy to come back.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Absolutely, And so all of our listeners, I'm going to
drop all the links to x. If you want to
read his musings, you know his work, follow him. I
will be putting those in the show notes, so feel
free just to take a look.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
He is an.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
Incredible human being and I am honored to call you
a friend.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
You are my friend too, and that makes me very
very happy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
That is an honor me too. Thank you,