Severance Season 2 Super Cut

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SPEAKER_02 (00:11):
Hey, everybody, and welcome to We Watch TV.
It is the podcast about the TVthat we watch.
I am Daniel, and this is yetanother Supercut.
For those of you that are newhere, a Supercut is where we
take our various conversationsover the course of several
different podcast episodes abouta specific show and smush them
all together into one longSupercut that covers that show,

(00:32):
usually about a season's worthfrom start to finish.
And this week, we're talking allabout Severance Season 2.
We began our conversation onSeverance Season 2 back in
Episode 92, Coffee Game.

SPEAKER_00 (00:45):
Okay guys, so you know what would have made our
coffee-less day and myfrustrations with FedEx a little
better?
If I could have just severedmyself until we got to that
point.
Do you not agree?

SPEAKER_01 (00:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (00:56):
Especially like everything going on in the
world.
I'm like, what would happen if Ijust severed myself for a bit?
Had an innie and an outie life.
What do you think?
Would you be severed?

SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
I don't know.
It's an interesting question.
It brings up a real moralquestion about is that other
person a person with rights who,you know, they're going to be
suffering for you.
Is that fair?
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
feel like you are a vibe check because just like the
other day over the weekend,you're like, you know what?
I want to sever myself rightnow.
So I think it really depends onDaniel's mood.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30):
Yeah, it comes and goes for me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
all right well if you guys don't know what we are
referring to we are referring tothe apple tv plus show severance
season two premiered on january17th and we were excited we had
our pizza daniel actually wentand got waynes at another
restaurant to go with the pizzai

SPEAKER_02 (01:54):
didn't like the wings that came from the pizza
place i wanted the pizza fromthe one place i wanted the wings
from the other place because iwanted to watch my special show
and have a nice time

SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
it's Like Gilmore Girls, like the way they would
always get food from differentplaces.
But that's how excited we werefor our Friday night Severance
back in our lives.
We watched Severance about thistime last year.
So we have not been waiting aslong as you guys that are OG
watchers.
And I can't imagine having towait that long because I felt
like we had to wait long enough.
But this show is particularlypretty meaningful to this

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podcast here that it is backbecause it is one of your–
candidates for the best thinggoing is that correct

SPEAKER_02 (02:36):
yeah the only reason the only main reason I didn't
throw it in harder when we hadthat discussion earlier last
year was because it only had oneseason and I you would a show
really needs to show mesomething in season one to get
it out there that quickly Ithink you'd have to show that
you can sustain it throughmultiple seasons before I will

(02:56):
consider you the best thinggoing because it's got to be
going and so if this firstepisode was anything to judge by
I think they're well on theirway.

SPEAKER_00 (03:04):
Yeah, it definitely came out guns a-blazin'.

SPEAKER_02 (03:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:09):
That first scene with Mark just walking around
the halls at Lumen Industries.
So what did you think about thepremiere?
Do you want to catch people up?
What happened last season?

SPEAKER_02 (03:22):
Yeah.
So, um, yeah, again, spoilerwarning, spoiler podcast.
We're going to talk aboutspoilers from here on out
throughout the episode, not justseverance, but everything that
we watched.
So be aware if you haven'twatched severance or severance
season two yet, we're going totalk spoilers.
Um,

SPEAKER_00 (03:36):
and skip to that next chapter.
We do put chapter markers on forthat very reason.

SPEAKER_02 (03:40):
So in general severance, the basic idea is you
have to understand the conceptof an any and an Audi, which is
there's a company called Lumenand they have developed a
technology that allows you toessentially shut your
consciousness down and open up anew one within your own mind.

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And so your outie person is youas your normal person, but your
innie is the person that goesand does all the work at your
job, but you don't remember anyof it.

SPEAKER_00 (04:09):
And it doesn't necessarily have to be a job
either.
We saw examples of people thatchose to be severed while they
gave birth last season.
Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
Intermission from our Audis here, our non-podcast
Audis.
We paused the podcast becausethe noise that we heard earlier
in the episode that we thoughtwas the FedEx guy was actually a
car hitting a deer.
And we paused because thensomebody came along and
dispatched the deer withmultiple shots, which I feel
like is a little bit ofoverkill, but whatever.

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So anyways, let's sever backinto the podcast, shall we?

SPEAKER_01 (04:43):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (04:46):
So anyways, the story of season one severance is
you meet four innies doing theirjob and they start to slowly
kind of uncover the weirdness ofthe place that they work.
And they discover a way toactivate themselves when they're
not at work.
And so the final episode of theseason one is they have
activated.
One of them stayed in the officeand the other three went out to

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activate to try and figure outwhat in the world is going on.
Like

SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
what the real world is like.
What the

SPEAKER_02 (05:12):
real world is like.
And we discover some veryinteresting things about them.
Because

SPEAKER_00 (05:17):
they don't even know anything outside of the walls

SPEAKER_02 (05:20):
of

SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Lumen.
Their Ennies don't know any ofthat.
And a lot of this curiosity cameon when they had a new hire,
Helly R.
come in, because she kept tryingto quit and quit and quit.
Then she would see videos fromher Audi that was like, you're
not a person.
You suck.
You're not going to quit.
You're stuck.
And that, your Audi is makingyour decisions for your Ennie.
So as Daniel said, at the end ofthat season, we've got three of

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them with the Audis, Mark W.,Who is the...

SPEAKER_02 (05:47):
Barton Fink.
Barton Fink.
I never remember what his nameis.
Is it Burt?
Burt, I think it is, yeah.
And then...
No, Burt is Christopher Walken's

SPEAKER_00 (05:53):
character.
Oh.
Okay, well, we don't rememberthis guy's name.
You know how...
Thank goodness we're not a TVpodcast.
I hope

SPEAKER_02 (05:59):
you're not listening for the first time, because if
you're a long-time listener, youknow we don't know.
Barton Fink and Helly R.

SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
Helly

SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
R.
Mark ends up at a party with hissister.
Of course, he doesn't know hehas a sister.
Yes.
And his boss is there.

SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
And his sister's husband wrote the book that
somehow got into Mark's inniebag.
And they were all obsessed withthis book.
They thought it was like areligious experience.
Yeah, when really hisbrother-in-law kind of means
well, but sort of a nerd.
So he's like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
His major discovery at the end of season one is that
the therapist's innie looksexactly like outie mark's wife

SPEAKER_00 (06:44):
who we presume to be dead yes and that's probably a
huge reason reason why he choseto be severed because he was
still grieving that loss

SPEAKER_02 (06:53):
burton fink is discovers that the person he
liked on the inside

SPEAKER_00 (06:58):
that's burt

SPEAKER_02 (06:59):
yes is married on the outside and so it's kind of
just a heartbreak for him and healso discovers that he paints a
lot and everything he paints arestuff from inside from the any
world so there's some weird likeis there cross is there
something subconsciouslycrossing over between the two
minds and then the big reveal ishelly are she finds out she is

(07:20):
actually the ceo in waiting oflumen company and that her audi
volunteered to go in at to showthat that severing is fine and
it's a good thing to do

SPEAKER_00 (07:31):
she's like the daughter

SPEAKER_02 (07:32):
yeah the daughter of the ceo and she's going to
become the ceo because it's afamily company And

SPEAKER_00 (07:36):
then when she goes up to give her speech, she
started talking about how it'sactually a terrible experience
and they shouldn't do it.
So we obviously know there'srepercussions.
And then I think the seasonended with Mark looking at the
picture, like you said, of MissCasey.
And then it was just nothing.
And

SPEAKER_02 (07:54):
then they got snapped out of it.
And season two picks up exactlythere.
Mark shows back up in...
the severed floor he goeslooking for his wife or well
it's not his wife but it is kindof his wife he goes looking for
her and does not find her infact the room she used to be in
is completely gone

SPEAKER_00 (08:11):
and his regular co-workers he has a new team who
one of the he's kind of like theclassic I guess the old man and
Daniel and I were like who isthis guy why do we know him and
we IMDB'd and we're like okay heis Frank Buffay Phoebe Buffay's
dad who shows up in one episodeof Friends and Sleepy girl,

(08:32):
sleepy girl.
And the fact, it was just thevoice.
And he does, I think he does doa lot of voice work, but like,
that's what we, we're just likegoing down the list and we're
like, oh, that's what we knowhim from.
So I had to get that off ourchest because both of us were
like, where have we seen thisguy?
But we don't really see thisteam very much.
We see Mr.
Mike, is it Michael check?
I always call him milkshake

SPEAKER_02 (08:51):
milkshake.
That's what they call him ismilkshake.

SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
What's up with this guy?
He's clearly not severed.
What's wrong with him?
I'm starting to think they tooka piece of his brain out.
Something's up with him.
I

SPEAKER_02 (09:00):
think everybody that works down there or something.

SPEAKER_00 (09:02):
Like brainwashed.
Something's off.
And they've got, okay, pleaseexplain to me the child.

SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
I have no

SPEAKER_00 (09:07):
idea.
Now they have a supervisor.
So he's taking over for Ms.
Cobell.

SPEAKER_01 (09:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
Who we don't know where she is because she kind of
exposed everything at the end,but she's still got, you know,
she's three fries short of aHappy Meal.
She's screwed up anyway.

SPEAKER_02 (09:21):
Well, not just she's gone because she screwed it up.
The company is pinning all ofthe things that took place on
her, even though that's not whathappened.

SPEAKER_00 (09:29):
But she was crazy.
She's just crazy.
Oh, yes, yes.
Anyway, everybody's crazy.
So now they also have this girl,like a young girl that looks
like a 12-year-old, a13-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 (09:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (09:38):
And I'm like, okay, so Miss Casey was of Asian
descent.
This little girl was of Asiandescent.
If you notice, she wears herhair and barrettes exactly the
same way.
I don't know if there's aconnection there or what, but
I'm wondering.
Because that is an intentionalstyling change.
It was

SPEAKER_02 (09:54):
very intentional.
But

SPEAKER_00 (09:55):
where did this kid come from?
I'm very confused.

SPEAKER_02 (09:57):
And so I won't recap the entire episode, but
eventually the team gets backtogether and they're taken in
and shown a video to say, hey,you guys are famous.
You changed the way severanceworks.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.
And sus

SPEAKER_00 (10:13):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (10:13):
sus sus sus

SPEAKER_00 (10:15):
and they Mr.
Milchak I can never say his nameI'm just calling him milkshake
creepy dude the way like theykind of referred him in the show
he shows them newspaper articlesabout how they're famous are you
buying that no not one bit meeither not even a little bit me
either so yeah that's where kindof the premiere no outies

SPEAKER_02 (10:33):
at all we saw nothing

SPEAKER_00 (10:35):
of the outside world none of the outies none of that
world and they have to make thedecision if they want to go
ahead and continue to staythey're letting them make the
decision

SPEAKER_01 (10:42):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (10:45):
yeah, yeah.
Do you think, and I feel likethis is probably the obvious
choice, that and why they don'tget back together, that that's
not really the hellier any, thatis hellier running the company,

(11:09):
and she's infiltrating becausethere's something off, or could
it be that it actually is ourhellier, and they've let her go
back down there, but she is soashamed and embarrassed because
of what her...
Audi does that she's not readyto admit that to the group.

(11:31):
Which of those do you think it'sgoing to be?

SPEAKER_02 (11:33):
I'm sitting 70-30.
70% chance I believe that it isjust the real person, the Audi.
infiltrating to see what shetook for information.
30% chance it's Hallie R who isjust so embarrassed that she is
essentially the bad guy on theoutside world that she can't

(11:54):
bring herself

SPEAKER_00 (11:55):
to tell everybody.
Maybe she thinks she can stilltear it down.
I just have to wonder, I'm thesame way of you as you are with
these percentages.
I just feel like there's areason why they're allowing them
to get together, and I think alot of that has to do with
Helly.
But that being said, I wouldlove it if it would actually be
the Helly R we came to know, andshe's just kind of covering that
up.

SPEAKER_02 (12:15):
I agree.
I still would need a really goodreason why that CEO would ever
go back in there.
After what happened at the endof season one, why would she go
back on the severed floor andlet her troublemaker of an any
join back in with the othertroublemakers?

SPEAKER_00 (12:31):
Well, they're already trying to plant the
seeds of doubt.
among them like they're takingAdam the one guy he was the one
that was doing the control so heactually didn't get to see

SPEAKER_01 (12:39):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (12:40):
but he knows he has kids and I think they said like
hey your wife could come see youyou're the only one that's
married she could come see youso they're like and I don't buy
that at all but they're tryingto like plant these seeds of
doubt and I'm really interestedto see where this season goes

SPEAKER_02 (12:57):
yeah yeah I am too I'm interested to know what the
Because we never really foundout what the work they're doing
is.
is

SPEAKER_00 (13:06):
yeah I think it's all one big experiment

SPEAKER_02 (13:08):
yeah I think that's the case so it's like they're
continuing the experiment so thework doesn't really matter they
really it's almost like it'sjust a social experiment to see
what how far they can pushpeople yeah because they're
wanting to push severed out

SPEAKER_00 (13:20):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (13:21):
into the mainstream

SPEAKER_00 (13:22):
that's why we saw the thing with like pregnancy I
think they're wanting to see howmuch like it basically just like
squid game which we'll get to Ithink of the show is a huge
metaphor about how you you'renot a person

SPEAKER_01 (13:33):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (13:33):
to some of these companies you're just supposed
to be a worker bee.
And then when you die, theyreplace you.
Quit.
They replace you.
You don't matter.
And I think that's kind of whatthe message of the show is
sending.
Is that what you kind of think?
Oh, I agree

SPEAKER_02 (13:46):
100%.
Yes, that is a different way of,like you said, with Squid Games,
it's a different way of goingabout it.
But it's the same.
It's really the same storyshowing you like you are nothing
to these capitalist companies.

SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
Exactly.
And I'm really interested to seewhere the season goes.
Do you think we'll see the Audisin the next episode?

SPEAKER_02 (14:06):
Um, we will see them next episode.
I don't know.
Cause like, like this show, Idon't know where they're going
to go with it.

SPEAKER_00 (14:12):
I kind of hope we do because we had some drama with
Mark's sister because Ms.
Cobal had been like kind ofhelping be there like nanny or
their night nurse or something.
And we thought she took theirbaby, like his sister has a
baby, that brand new newborn.
We thought that she might'vetaken that baby, which she
didn't.
But so she obviously knows whatMark's, um, any said.

(14:35):
Yeah.
So there's, there's, there'sthese plots that we have to kind
of answer.
And I'm like, please, I want to,I wanted more.
I was really hoping that Applewould get like gift us with the
first two episodes.
And they were like, no, you gotto wait.

SPEAKER_02 (14:46):
I think the reason we're not seeing the Audis right
now is because they're actuallythe three of them.
The three Audis that are notinvolved with the company are
just being held hostage.

SPEAKER_01 (14:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (14:58):
The, the Heli, her citizen, obviously, cause she's
a CEO, uh, But the other threeare just being held

SPEAKER_00 (15:03):
hostage.
Ask me another question for you.
What if all this time Mark'sactually not left?
Do you think he's even gone backto being out?
Do you think they're justkeeping them in that building?

SPEAKER_02 (15:13):
Yeah, they could just be shutting them down.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (15:16):
There's a lot going on.
I'm excited.

SPEAKER_02 (15:18):
Just the first episode in, but I'm right back
into it.
I might need to do Pizza andWings from two different places
again this Friday.

SPEAKER_00 (15:25):
I thought we talked about Chipotle.

SPEAKER_02 (15:27):
Ooh, Chipotle could

SPEAKER_00 (15:28):
be good too.
Do you think we are going to seeany more egg parties or waffle
parties?

SPEAKER_02 (15:33):
Milchick was definitely bribing Dylan with a
lot of different treats at theend of season one.
And then again, in season two,he's bribing him with like the
family visits and stuff.
So I think we'll see a lot ofspecial parties for at least for
Dylan.

SPEAKER_00 (15:46):
And we had to look up that his name was Dylan
because I caught him Adamearlier.
I

SPEAKER_02 (15:50):
thought you were talking about Adam, like Adam
Scott, the character that playsMark W.
We continued with episode 93,what we're looking forward to in
2025.

SPEAKER_00 (16:01):
Severance season two, episode two.
Here's a thing that you can tellthat we're so used to these
short season is I have a note inmy notes.
I don't know if you thoughtthat.
I'm actually excited.
That's 10 episodes.

SPEAKER_02 (16:13):
I know it's crazy.
10 whole episodes.

SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
Man.
10 whole episodes.
Because sometimes, I feel likesometimes I've been like eight
episodes.

SPEAKER_02 (16:19):
Yeah.
Or like you're going to be likeAgatha all along and just have
nine

SPEAKER_00 (16:23):
for some weird reason.
It's a very odd thing to dealwith, but Anyway, this second
episode, our first episode ofthe premiere was called Hello,
Ms.
Colbell.
And it was all about the innies.
And then the second episode wascalled Goodbye Miss Selvig
because that was her Audipresence, even though she knew
what she was doing.
She wasn't severed.

(16:44):
And this episode was just allabout the Audis.
And I did look up, by the way,we can never remember the old
guy's name, Barton Fink.
His name is Irving.

SPEAKER_02 (16:51):
Irving.
Okay, I'll move on from BartonFink because no one has any idea
what I'm talking

SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
about.
Go watch that movie, though.
With

SPEAKER_02 (16:57):
that reference.

SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
Go watch that movie and give us a fan mail about
what you think.

SPEAKER_02 (17:01):
Yeah, go watch Barton Fink and tell us

SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
what you think.
All right, Daniel, you want tocatch us up with the latest?
Yeah, I mean,

SPEAKER_02 (17:08):
it essentially is exactly what you said.
This is the same version of whatwe got in episode one, except
it's the outies.
And I think you can immediatelysee that basically everything
they're telling the innies is acomplete lie.
Total lie.
Their time frame is a completelie.

SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
But they said it was five months, and it was like,
what, two days?

SPEAKER_02 (17:25):
It's like three or four days in succession with
each other.

UNKNOWN (17:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (17:30):
They did not answer the helly question about who is
down in the severance floor.
I'm on the fence.
I'm

SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
on the fence, too.
I'm on the fence a little morenow than I was.

SPEAKER_02 (17:43):
Yeah, we talked about it last episode, and we've
seen some people talking online.
There's people online who arenot sure...
See, they're not sure from like,oh, is it Helly R or is it
really the Audi woman?
And we're on the opposite sideof that where we were almost
immediately like, oh, she'slying.
That's not Helly R.

(18:03):
And then we were like, but is itHelly R?
And she's just ashamed

SPEAKER_00 (18:07):
of

SPEAKER_02 (18:07):
her Audi presence.
And we still don't know theanswer to that question.

SPEAKER_00 (18:11):
And apparently there's some project that they
need Mark to complete theproject.
So they drop that detail.
And you see that Helly watchingherself.
And I think she's really...
like interested because Helly Rand Mark kissed at the end of
season one.
I think she's almost jealous.

SPEAKER_02 (18:27):
Yeah.
I mean, I think cause, cause herlife, like she's

SPEAKER_00 (18:30):
high power.
She has like a social life as anAnnie where she doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 (18:33):
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
And she clearly, she has pressure from her dad to do
better, but like, so we know atone point she's watched cause
she's watching and they tried toput them with that new team and
they really did fire.
They really did fire the otherpeople.
They fired Dylan, they firedIrving and they made him think
they fired Helly and And theywere like, no, Helly's got to go
back in for the project.
So that's where we're at.

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Does she actually let herselfbecome the Annie to go in there?
Or is she a really good actor?
I thought what stuck out to meabout this episode was Dylan
going out to apply for otherjobs.
And they were like, oh, wait,you've been severed?
never mind

SPEAKER_02 (19:12):
and then he got basically discriminated against

SPEAKER_00 (19:14):
a Doors company and you brought up a really good
point you're like the wholeworld that they're in the Audi
world is weird and I'm like Ithink that's an intentional
decision by the show to make theoutside world robotic too but it
is a weird vibe

SPEAKER_02 (19:28):
yeah it's a weird vibe I don't think it's anything
more than that but if they wenta direction where the Audi world
wasn't necessarily what theywere really experiencing either

SPEAKER_00 (19:39):
that'd be cool

SPEAKER_02 (19:40):
I could see that working Very well.
And I think the main comment Iwould say for this episode was
it was good, but I think theyshould have released episode one
and two at the same time.
I agree.
I think that would have flowedbetter.
And then we could get excitedfor episode three to see the
because really all we were doingfor these past two episodes was.
an extended season one a seasonone of every of every show ever

(20:03):
where you've got a cliffhangerall it's doing is catching you
up

SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
yeah and we had which you could argue that
that's a reason why again a lotof people had problems with the
bear season three yeah becauseit very much did the same thing
i liked it that they had thewhole episode on the innies the
whole episode of the outies buti definitely agree as a viewer i
think it would have been reallynice to release those both at
once now i don't know i didn'tcheck the runtime but i felt

(20:27):
like the episode went by reallyfast maybe i was just really
enjoying myself I think

SPEAKER_02 (20:30):
the second episode was much

SPEAKER_00 (20:31):
shorter okay so it wasn't just that I was just
enjoying myself and can I askagain about the whole Dylan job
interview thing was itintentional that they cast
somebody who interviewed himthat looked like Dylan because
they even the camera even pannedand they were both sitting in
their chairs looking each otherthe same that was odd to me was
that an intentional choice

SPEAKER_02 (20:50):
I think it was intentional it was weird so I
think what they're trying toshow is like they were very much
similar people you could tellthey were getting along just
Until they found out he wassevered.
Everything was good.
He had that job.
And then when he mentioned thathe was severed, that was it.
That was it, yeah.
And I think that might have beenwhat they were going for there.
But it was definitelyoff-putting.
And what's even more off-puttingis those two actors, if you go

(21:14):
look them up on IMDb, don'tactually look like each other.
Oh, okay.
So they made choices made inwardrobe and makeup and
everything to get them lookingmore like each other.

SPEAKER_00 (21:23):
And then we have Selvig, Cobell.
Do we think she's still...
working because they were likewe're going to offer you another
job in our company do you thinkshe's still in it at all they
they didn't fully say but sheindicated like she

SPEAKER_02 (21:36):
scoffed at it because she thought i think she
saw through it i think she iscorrect in seeing through it
that it's not really a promotionbut i don't know if she's taking
it or not

SPEAKER_00 (21:45):
and she also kind of scoffed at mark yeah for going
back the audi she gave kind ofgiving some crap for it

SPEAKER_02 (21:52):
and and she also threw some fuel on the fire for
audi mark

SPEAKER_00 (21:56):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (21:56):
because the simple fact is he He finally confronted
her and he asked a questionabout his wife.
And her reaction is all heneeded to know something's going
on.
It doesn't even mean his wife isalive.
All it means is something isgoing on.

SPEAKER_00 (22:11):
And now we heard this whole project thing.
I started going real dark.
I was like, okay, his wife was,we know she was a professor.
Then I'm like, oh my gosh, whatif she's been working for the
sever of the whole thing?
And she like faked her own deathand she is, but that I don't
think that's what it is.
I think if anything, maybe shewas pronounced brain dead and
they can put chips and braindead people to make them work as
like a corporate robot, so tospeak.

(22:31):
Maybe that's probably more whatit is but I'm not really sure
I'm excited to find out thoughso I'm definitely looking
forward to the next episode anddo you think we're going to get
the Ennies and Outies like howwe used to we're going to see
both in the next episode or doyou think they're going to keep
separating it

SPEAKER_02 (22:47):
I don't know what they're going to do format wise
I really don't

SPEAKER_00 (22:51):
and it's exciting

SPEAKER_02 (22:51):
and it's exciting I think it's good to have a
television show that you cannotpredict episode 94 the superb
owl there's a lot of TV showsout there We should talk about
them.

SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
All right, let's do it.
For

SPEAKER_02 (23:04):
instance, Severance.
We missed last week, so we'vegot two episodes of Severance to
talk about tonight.
Episodes three and episode four.
I feel like, for me, because wewatched these at the same time,
they really blended together.
They did.
And I'm having a lot of troublerecalling episode three because
episode four was a monumentallyexcellent episode of television.

SPEAKER_00 (23:30):
Well, let's go through the titles of it.
Episode three is Who is Alive?
Mark, Kelly, Irving, and Dylansearch for answers.
So they're all together again.
I think that's where, no, wherethey went, they would have been
showed the video in the previousepisode too, right?
They are blending together.
And then episode four is Woe'sHollow.
The team participates in a groupactivity.

(23:53):
I can't believe that we're onlyfour episodes in and some people
could be like, oh, well, thepacing, yes, the timing is going
slow but the information revealsthat we have had is a lot it's a
lot for

SPEAKER_02 (24:06):
it's a lot for only four episodes so before we get
to episode four quickly episodethree dylan got to meet his
outie wife

SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
who you i i heard the pet and immediately you're
like big guy i'm like whatthat's elizabeth from new girl
who schmidt two times cc withyeah And we're really liking
Schmidt and Cece still over Nickand Jess best.
When you recall that storyline.
They grew up a lot, both ofthem.
It's okay.
It was a journey.
It was

SPEAKER_02 (24:35):
a journey.
Mark and Hallie go looking forAudi Mark's wife and they meet
the goat people.

SPEAKER_00 (24:45):
Who want to see their belly buttons.

SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
Yeah, that was weird.

SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
That was weird.
That whole scene was weird.
Game of Thrones lady

SPEAKER_02 (24:51):
shows up as a goat person.

SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
Oh, Brienne of Tarth.
Yeah.
I like her hair dark like that.
It looked really pretty, eventhough she

SPEAKER_02 (25:00):
was rude.
And Irving goes back to the artdepartment to see what's going
on there, even though Bert is nolonger with the company.
He gets some answers.
He gets some answers, and he hassome conversations and talks
about the paintings that he'sbeen...
see that his Audi has beenpainting.

SPEAKER_00 (25:17):
We also see Mark's Audi talking to his sister.
Yeah.
And they're trying to do an act.
He's trying to like burn stuffinto his retina.
So his, any Mark can rememberstuff.
And then he's met with thatwoman who we saw in season one
that used to work for thesevered people.
And apparently she likeconfirmed that Gemma, the last

(25:37):
time she saw Gemma, Gemma wasalive, whatever that means.
And she's going to work on, shesays she's perfected it.
So she's going to work on doingto try to unsever him, what she
did with his one coworker that,unfortunately, it didn't take
and that died in season one.

SPEAKER_02 (25:52):
Yeah.
And so that's where that episodeleaves off.

SPEAKER_00 (25:54):
Do you trust that lady?

SPEAKER_02 (25:56):
I don't know.
I don't know either.

SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
I don't know who I trust.
I don't know if I trust Gemma,his old wife.

SPEAKER_02 (26:01):
Before we get to episode four, let me just say,
and I've been saying this for awhile, I don't entirely trust
the Audi world.
Maybe it's just the vibe they'regoing for.
But there's just something verystrange and off about the Audi
world.

SPEAKER_00 (26:17):
I could see it being an artistic choice to make it
very clinical and roboticbecause we're all just corporate
people, whether we're any orAudi.
So I could see that being anartistic decision.
But the more we look into it,the weirder it gets as well.
It's weird.

SPEAKER_02 (26:33):
So anyways, episode three ends with Mark kind of
starting the journey of...
I don't remember the term theyused for it, but basically
unsevering.
Yeah.
And then...
It's not addressed except forlike a split second in episode
four where they all go on a nicelittle hiking camping trip.

SPEAKER_00 (26:53):
Well, you forgot another important thing of
season three before we get intothe group retreat.
Milchak.
is on Talks to the Board.
Oh, that's right.
And he gets some gifts from theboard members.
They have taken paintings oftheir past board members that
were of Caucasian white race andturned them into a black person.

(27:16):
and gave it to him.
And I think he was, even thoughyou didn't, he's a very robotic
person.
I think he was just a little bitfreaked out by it.
What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
When he put them away.
There was a weird vibe.
Yeah.
Instead of putting them up onthe wall, which I assume is what
they would have wanted, he putthem up on a shelf.
And so to me, that was a signalthat that was not

SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
exactly the validation he was looking for.
The girl that's always talkingto the board.
Natalie.
What is her name?
Natalie.
She kind of had thisplastered-on smile, like, I got
the same thing.
Yeah.
And then she's talking also toMark's brother-in-law, who wrote
that book that somehow got in.
Yeah, yeah.
And she wants him to write one,but to make it...

(28:03):
They

SPEAKER_02 (28:04):
want to change some of the language around Justin so
it's not upsetting to theinnies, right?
But I wonder if that means theythink that book could help a
little bit more with some cultactivities.

SPEAKER_00 (28:17):
All right, so you're chomping at the bit here.
Let's get right into it then.
The crazy one, episode four, thegroup retreat.
They all just wake up in asnowy, mountainous...
place wearing they're allwearing black like coats with
hats and Mr.
Milchak has quite the set he'sgot quite the look on like a

(28:38):
white coat and a white hat whenhe finds them and there was
really no explanation about howthey got there that's how the
episode opened and that's wherewe were the whole time

SPEAKER_02 (28:47):
were they actually out did they actually were they
actually gone from the severedfloor

SPEAKER_00 (28:52):
I don't think so, but at the same time, it's weird
for what happened at the end.
Why would you blow your coverlike that at the end, which
we'll get to if we weren't?
Even if they can simulate thatand they're still in the
building, because I don't thinkthey were in a real park or
actually outside, maybe you canstill get hurt even in the
simulation or something.

(29:12):
Well, you can still be drownedin water.
Yeah, that's true.
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (29:15):
not saying it was a holodeck situation.
Like that all that's likefrom...
No, I'm not saying it was like aStar Trek holodeck where all
that stuff is actually not thereand just it's visualized but not
real.
I'm just saying something seemedoff enough and also they take
such...
precautions to protect theouties the innies from the

(29:38):
outside world and to take themto a place like that in the
outside world where you knowanything can happen like

SPEAKER_00 (29:46):
we've never seen the innies like fall asleep and they
had yeah

SPEAKER_02 (29:50):
exactly yeah they never slept before which was a
weird thing um so they marchthem through this place and
they're supposed to be likefollowing a But they may

SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
see

SPEAKER_02 (30:01):
themselves in the distance.
Like holograms or something.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
Then they got their marshmallows taken away from
them.
They got

SPEAKER_02 (30:20):
their marshmallows taken away from them.
And finally...

SPEAKER_00 (30:23):
The creepy little girl supervisor is still there.

SPEAKER_02 (30:25):
Still there.
Still unexplained.
But finally we get to the end ofthe episode and Irving is
suspecting something that Hellymight not

SPEAKER_00 (30:37):
be Helly.
You're missing a major plotpoint.
So we have the tents.
Helly and Mark hook up.
Oh, yeah.
So...
Based upon our reveal, that's...

SPEAKER_02 (30:51):
yeah that's not uh that's not great

SPEAKER_00 (30:53):
so as you said irving suspects heli who she is
basically so we have a we have aconfirmed now

SPEAKER_01 (31:01):
it's confirmed yeah

SPEAKER_00 (31:01):
and we kind of figured this i thought maybe
there's a chance they could gothe other way and actually have
our heli go back in but wethought and for the most part we
figured like that we are notgoing to see hell our version at
the any version of heli are fora while and that actress is
doing a good job oh

SPEAKER_02 (31:20):
she's doing such a good The

SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
eyebrows.
You know what she reminds me of?
And you are going to roll youreyes at this.
But Nina Dobrov did such a greatjob on The Vampire Diaries when
she would be Catherine andElena.
And there were some times whereCatherine was impersonating
Elena and she would try to doElena's mannerisms, but it was
always a little off.
And stuff like an eyebrow flip,a hair flip, just a tone of
voice.
And I feel like this actress hasdone like...

(31:44):
a very good job at likebasically playing like two
characters at once like acharacter playing another
character playing anothercharacter and Irving our dude
Irving like like he was still hehad asked her in that first
episode about like with NightGardener what do you mean and he
brought that up again and Thenhe's like, you guys are making
goo-goo eyes at each other,Mark.

(32:05):
That's why you can't see it.
So what Daniel and I were sayingabout the drowning, so they get
their marshmallows taken away.
Mark and Helly hook up.
It's kind of creepy and weird,but we think that maybe the
unsevering might be workingbecause while they were hooking
up, a flash of Gemma's faceshowed up.
So that would be

SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
taken.

SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
So then Irving just decides that he's going to–
drown Helly to try to get...
Well, he sleeps

SPEAKER_02 (32:32):
outside.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (32:33):
he falls asleep outside.
He almost freezes to death.
And then

SPEAKER_02 (32:36):
when he wakes up and ends up finding Helly, who's
also just wandered off from campin the morning by that
waterfall.
She's looking at the waterfall.
Now, this is supposedly like asignificant waterfall to the
owners of the company.

SPEAKER_01 (32:48):
Yeah, which we know are related to

SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
her.
And they joke about it beinglike the tallest waterfall in
the world to the innies, whichthey wouldn't know, right?
But it was kind of a funnything.
But she's there admiring it.
I think that might go back tothe fact that she's not actually
Helly R.
She is Helena.
And he finds her there and theyhave a discussion and he talks
and he says that line aboutHelly was never cruel.

(33:12):
And then he, so he just grabsher and starts drowning her.
And that middle chick shows upand she finally is like, flip
the switch.

SPEAKER_00 (33:20):
Seth.
She got him.
She called

SPEAKER_02 (33:21):
him Seth.
And then, and then Irving says,yes, Seth flip it.
And then he flips her back toHelly R.
To get him to stop.

SPEAKER_00 (33:29):
And that's the first time Helly R.

SPEAKER_02 (33:31):
Has been in the season.

SPEAKER_00 (33:32):
Has been in the season since she realized that
she wasn't Egan and was onstage.

SPEAKER_02 (33:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
Being like, no, they treat us like crap.
So she's, that's the last thingshe remembers getting turned
off.
And suddenly she's waking upbeing drowned.
So that's what gives the ick of,first off, with Helly, you know,
impersonating Helly R.
That like goes a whole thing oflike, consent from that
perspective because that's notthe hell he knows but then over

(33:59):
her own that's where it comes inthat like is your any a person
that comes in like the wholeeven though it's her it's not
her in a sense so like a wholething of like consent and I feel
I do really feel like if it wasflipped and it was like Mark
like a man and a woman like Ithink there'd be way more
outrage over it what do youthink

SPEAKER_02 (34:19):
yeah well I mean Mark has something to say in
this too because he was not no

SPEAKER_00 (34:24):
I mean if it was if Helly was a man yeah

SPEAKER_02 (34:27):
yeah no yeah I see what you're saying there

SPEAKER_00 (34:28):
but like Mark also people would have made a big
deal Mark

SPEAKER_02 (34:31):
also is going to have some trauma from this
because he thought he was doingit with one person yeah who is
not the person he was doing itwith

SPEAKER_00 (34:38):
but I what I'm telling you if like Mark had
been the person knowing thewhole time sure like Kelly is I
think more people would be ickedout by it and I think so you
know you know it shouldn'tmatter what your sex is for that
so that's a whole weird thingand now I don't with that reveal
and i thought they were going tostrain us along for that a
little bit so now it's likewe've got irving who they drug

(35:00):
out of there who knows what'shappening they

SPEAKER_02 (35:02):
terminated him according to what they've said
so as far as we're aware wedon't know he's coming back now
i'm

SPEAKER_00 (35:08):
gonna go out on a limb and say description said
they the team deals with a lossor they yeah yeah

SPEAKER_02 (35:14):
like they have turned him off now i don't know
if that means they turned it offand can just turn it back on
whenever they want to if they'reor if there's something they can
do to just actually kill theYenny.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (35:24):
So what do you think about that being revealed so
early?
Like we have, I think we said 10episodes.
Yeah, we've still got sixepisodes

SPEAKER_02 (35:30):
left.

SPEAKER_00 (35:31):
Like the cover's blown for Helly.
Mark knows now.
It's just...
Where do we go from here?

SPEAKER_02 (35:37):
I don't know.
I think they've mentionedmultiple times that Mark in
particular is working towardssomething that they need to see
finished.
Well, I have the...
Like if they've gone so far asto have...
Helena impersonate Helly andcome into the floor.
And now at this point, what hashappened has happened.

(35:58):
I feel like they're going tojust bring Helly R back and let
her go back in because Mark willjust refuse to

SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
Work with the other one.
Work with the other one.
Like even Selvig, who we don'tthink she did take the offer
because she had a scene withHeli in episode three.
Yeah.
Even she's like, we need tofinish this project.
So that brings me to my next.
I have a couple differentworking bizarre theories.
I don't know if any would betrue.
We know that Gemma, his wife,was a professor.
I am almost wondering if she'sin on the whole thing.

(36:28):
and that it was intense.
I have two different theorieswith Gemma.
One, that she's not, that she'sactually low-key evil, and she's
a professor, and she's like,well, let's test my husband to
see the grief process, whysomeone would want to get
severed, and that she's a part,she's actually one of the
driving forces behind theproject thing.
And then my other explanation ismaybe they knew that she was a

(36:50):
professor, and maybe she wasagainst severance, so they were
involved.
They were, like, she was in acar accident.
They were involved in that caraccident, took her body,
basically, She's basically braindead, put a chip in her, and
made her into Miss Casey.
So I have those two runningtheories.
And then my other theory thatdoesn't have anything to do with
Gemma, where you talk about theoutside world, we keep seeing
this stuff like vegetation withthe goats, is what if they are

(37:13):
secretly pumping stuff in tomake the outside world more
controlled, and that's all partof the game.
So there's my word vomit aboutsome wild theories I've got
going on.
What do you think about mytheories, and what are some of
your theories?

SPEAKER_02 (37:28):
I could see Gemma slash Mrs.
Casey being in on it.
I'm not so sure aboutmanipulation on the outside
world.
I'm more on the side of I don'tknow that we're seeing the
outside world.
But I will say I don't havetheories, but I have things that
I've noticed that are weird andI don't know how to put them
together.
So Dylan's wife is a cop.

SPEAKER_00 (37:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:52):
Why is that detail?
What's the point of that detail?

UNKNOWN (37:55):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (37:56):
Because Gemma was in a car accident.
And maybe the cop showed up.
What's the new

SPEAKER_00 (38:01):
assistance?
They did prove that that was hiswife, though, because we were
distrustful about that.
We're like, what

SPEAKER_02 (38:05):
if it's not her?
The new little girl.
She said before she came to workin the severed floor, she was a
crossing guard.

SPEAKER_00 (38:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (38:14):
Again, related to traffic and cars.

SPEAKER_00 (38:17):
Yeah.
You're on to something.
There's

SPEAKER_02 (38:19):
something weird going on here.
Something fishy.
I don't know what it is, but itis very strange.

SPEAKER_00 (38:24):
And I am excited to see where they go with it.
As

SPEAKER_02 (38:27):
am I.
Episode 95, Flowers in theAttic, White Lotus Edition.

SPEAKER_00 (38:33):
So moving right along in some other weird shows,
Severance, Episode 5, picked uppretty much where we left off.
The secrets are out.
Helyar, or Helena, has beencompromised.
And...
we now got some more informationabout really how important Mark

(38:57):
is to the whole project becausebasically they told, they're
like, you're going to have to belike Helly R again.
And she was like, absolutelynot.
I'm not going to be that womanagain.
Those people tried to kill me.
They're animals.
And I'm just sitting here like,I was so disappointed because I
had hoped, I had really hopedthat maybe her being down there

(39:18):
and aware of it, maybe she wouldstart to view the severed
people, the innies, a littledifferently because I felt like
she was jealous of theconnection that Helly R, her
innie, had with Mark.
And I felt like she, I don'tknow.
I didn't think she was going tocome around and not be a
villain, but I thought she mighthave felt more empathy.

(39:40):
Absolutely not.
None

SPEAKER_02 (39:42):
whatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 (39:43):
Stone cold.
But they're making her, they'relike, Mark's so important to do
this project that the board issaying you have to go back in as
Helly R.
So now we have Mark.
Suspicious.

SPEAKER_02 (39:55):
Yeah.
I think we were unsure.
Very unsure.
So when we left, it didn't gettouched on in episode four.
But in episode three, Mark wasworking with that doctor to...
merge himself back together.

SPEAKER_01 (40:08):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (40:09):
And so when we come back to season, episode five, at
first, we weren't sure whetherMark was being distanced from
Hallie because he didn't thinkhe could trust her.

SPEAKER_00 (40:17):
He was cold to all of them.

SPEAKER_02 (40:19):
Yeah.
Or he was, maybe something elsewas going on in the merge and it
was actually Audi Mark and hedidn't really know what to do.
We thought it might be AudiMark.
I think by the end, with whathappened, and we'll get to that
in a little bit, I'm leaningtowards he was just being cold
because now he doesn't know whoto trust.

SPEAKER_00 (40:36):
Yeah.
He was cold towards Dylan, too.
So basically, they wanted Dylanto demand it, that they have a
funeral, even though he didn'tdie.
And

SPEAKER_02 (40:44):
not a retirement party.
Because usually when the Enniesleave, they have a retirement
party.
But in this specific case,because Milchick was forward
with them and said, yeah, he'snot coming

SPEAKER_00 (40:53):
back.
He said he's never coming back.
So they wanted to have a funeralfor the Ennie of Irving.
And Mark was just like, well,make it quick.
And we were like, oh.
So I think the unseveringprocess is working.
And it's making it.
But I think you're right.
He didn't know who to trust.
We've got Milchik.
More Milchik goodness.
That actor deserves awards.

SPEAKER_02 (41:14):
He's excellent.

SPEAKER_00 (41:15):
And so does the actress playing Helly.
Because, wow, talk aboutdiabolical.
So Milchik also had hisperformance...
review up, and I'm never goingto think about the way I put a
paperclip on a stack ofdocuments again.

SPEAKER_02 (41:29):
That was pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 (41:30):
They noted that.
He tried to talk to Natalieabout the photos.
I'm starting to think thatNatalie is always on the board.
The board is always in her eyes,and that's why her eyes change
and are so expressive.
I think the board is always onwith Natalie.
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (41:44):
trying to figure her out.
I'm starting to wonder, is shejust 100% severed?
All she is is that.

SPEAKER_00 (41:52):
I have no idea.
But yeah, kudos to that actress.
We still don't know what's goingon with the little girl.

SPEAKER_02 (41:57):
No, we have no idea.
She really wants to play thatweird instrument, the pheromone
or whatever they call it,because she got real mad.

SPEAKER_00 (42:03):
She and Milchuk got a little snippy with each other,
though, because she didn't wantto have the funeral.
And then outside of it, we haveAudi Irving meeting Audi Burtz.
We have Christopher Walken'scharacter back, and he's like,
you came to my house, and theytalked about it, and we know
he's married, or maybe notmarried, but with another
person, but they're feeling thatconnection.

(42:24):
And so we've got that plot goingon.
And

SPEAKER_02 (42:27):
Irving's also...
Also talking to somebody on thephone.
He did a little bit last season.
He has continued this season.
And we've never seen who he'stalking to

SPEAKER_00 (42:37):
yet.
But we did see the drawing ofthe place that he was drawing.
We saw that on the show, right?
Like the hallway?

SPEAKER_02 (42:44):
Well, more importantly, he left a message
for Dylan.
He drew a picture of that blackhallway.
And he put a note on it.
And he said the last thing hesaid to Dylan was hang in there.
And then Dylan sees that posterhanging in there, checks the
back of it.
There's the note.
We didn't get to see what thenote.
the content of the notecontained, but he saw the note.

(43:05):
He saw the paint, the paintingof the black hallway.
So Dylan knows some hasinformation to go forward with.

SPEAKER_00 (43:13):
I'm a little worried for Mark's sister and her
husband, because clearly Lumenis like, like trying to get her
husband and he's based tobasically rewrite his book
entirely to fit their narrative.
And he's like, this is the mostlike financial incentive I've
ever been given.
And she's like, at what costnow, like, Another thing I want
to say about this show, and Iforgot to say it last week, and

(43:35):
I absolutely can see them doingthis, ending the season, maybe
as your season cliffhanger, withHelly being pregnant.

SPEAKER_02 (43:46):
Yeah, I could see that.
I could see him doing that.
And that does a whole...
Milchick made it...
When Milchick had hisconfrontation with Mark in the
elevator...
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (43:53):
he knew about it.

SPEAKER_02 (43:54):
It was a very strong point to point out that he had
those relations with the futureCEO of Lumen Industries.

SPEAKER_00 (44:01):
He was like, does LER know what you guys did in
the tent?
Yeah.
So obviously we know Mark isvery important to this project.
But now, if Mark is potentiallythe father of the next Egan
heir...
Right.
Like...
I think that sometimes that's acheap way to do pregnancy things
and storylines, but in thiscase, then you have the whole

(44:23):
thing of who's the mom, consent,all this stuff.
It's like you have so manythings you could build off that.
And I really do think there'ssomething up with Gemma slash
Miss Casey, his wife, that shewas somehow– Maybe if she's not
villainy in it, somehow wasinvolved with this supposed
project because there's got tobe a reason why Mark is so

(44:45):
important.

SPEAKER_02 (44:47):
So let's get to that.
End of the episode.
Mark is leaving the work for thenight.
No, he's already at home.
That doctor who's doing work onhim is in his basement, but she
said, hey, we can't do ittonight.
Let's hold off.
I think she's a little gun shybecause of what happened the
last time she tried this.

(45:07):
So Mark goes up his steps and hestarts phasing in and out of his
house versus Lumen.
I have a comment to make aboutthat, but I'll describe the
scene first.
And as he's going up the steps,he's in Lumen, then he's at his
house, then he's at Lumen.
And he finally gets up to thetop of the steps and he's
looking down the hallway.
He turns around.
He sees Miss Casey behind him.

(45:28):
Mark,

SPEAKER_00 (45:30):
your outie is, or your Annie is, where she's
talking about all these thingsthat he is.

SPEAKER_02 (45:36):
And so in my mind, that confirms for Mark.
He and his sister, outie Markand his sister, had been trying
to answer the question, whatdoes she's alive mean?
Which is the last thing he saidat the end of season one.
I think this solidifies in hismind what that meant.

SPEAKER_00 (45:52):
I'm so glad you brought that up because I
totally forgot about that scenebecause I was so fixated on one,
I don't know, a minor detailwhere he's like, we don't have
any eggnog, probably becauseit's not seasonal.
And Daniel's always makingcomments about how weird the
outside world is.
And I'm like, why would you wanteggnog?
Like, it seems like it'sperpetually winter.
And then like, did you, I was sofixated on the eggnog comment.

(46:15):
I was like, what a weirdbeverage to ask for at someone's
house.

SPEAKER_02 (46:19):
Yeah.
It's a strange, it's a strangething to ask for.
Um, I will note, so I've seensome TikToks, and the outside
world, I'm not sure what to makeof it right now.
So first of all, several peopleon TikTok have noticed that in
this season, documentation hasbeen on screen long enough for
us to see people's addresses andtheir state abbreviations.

SPEAKER_00 (46:40):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (46:41):
P-E.
P-E is not a state.
I was like, I don't know whatstate is that.
There is no state in ourcurrent...
Because P-A is Pennsylvania,right?
There is no state in ourcurrent...
Allotment of states.
Are we in the future?
Is this some kind of dystopianuniverse?
Yeah, so I'm wondering if it's adystopian universe.
But then, so I want to get backto Mark seeing his wife and the

(47:03):
phase switching between LumenIndustries and his house.
That could have been them tryingto display to you through the
visual medium that is televisionthe hallucinations that are
happening as he's beginning tomerge Mark S and Audi Mark
together into one person.

(47:25):
Or it could be revealing to ussomething else about the nature
of Mark's entire existence.

SPEAKER_00 (47:31):
Are we having a Truman Show on our hands?
Where everything has been going,oh, oh.
I just want to know, I want moreof Milchak, because I think he's
the best character.

SPEAKER_02 (47:42):
He is so excellent.
The actor that plays him isdoing such a great job of
putting...
layers to his character withoutsaying anything.
He's just layering him.
I do want to go back to Natalie.
The actress that plays her isalso excellent.
She says so much without hereyes alone when he's talking to

(48:04):
her about those paintings.
She just completely ignores it.
Everybody's doing a great job.
I agree.
I think we're going to get moreMilchick.
We did not get any...
What's her...
Korbel.

SPEAKER_00 (48:19):
Korbel.
Korbel this episode.
I think she's got some screwsloose.
She's about three fries short ofa Happy Meal, regardless of
what's going on.

SPEAKER_02 (48:26):
Yeah, I know.
I wonder, I almost wonder if wedon't see her again until the
end of the season.
We'll see.
And she comes in.
About halfway through now.
She wants to be in charge of theMD floor.

SPEAKER_00 (48:39):
And she has a worshipping thing.

SPEAKER_02 (48:42):
Yes.
And I don't think she has a lotof respect for Helena.
I'm sorry, for Helena.
And I think she has to do whatHelena says only because Helena
is an Egan.
Yeah.
But I think that...
Helena might screw up enough bythe end of this season to get
herself demoted and they putMiss Korbel back in charge of
the whole severed

SPEAKER_00 (49:02):
world.
The whole outside world thing,those theories could come, like
why do they have the goats?
Why are they doing all thistesting inside?
There's a lot that could comeinto play with that.
A lot of stories that they cantell.
And I'm looking forward toseeing what happens next.
I saw

SPEAKER_02 (49:20):
one theory that I think has some weight to it.
Basically suggesting they'retrying to figure out a way to
bring back their original Egan,Keir Egan, the original founder
of the company.

SPEAKER_00 (49:35):
Like bring him back to life?

SPEAKER_02 (49:36):
With all of his memories into a new vessel.
Body.
I hate that.
I know.
I hate that.
I hate that too.
I do too.
I do not like that.
I do not like that.
But they do have a lot ofworship of that character.

SPEAKER_00 (49:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:52):
It's

SPEAKER_00 (49:52):
the tallest waterfall.

SPEAKER_02 (49:53):
Yeah.
That's it.
So I could see that being a plotpoint, but I kind of don't like
it.

SPEAKER_00 (49:58):
You know all the TikToks lately of the Kendrick
Lamar, like, not like us dance?
Yes.
Somebody put that over theepisode where Milchuk's dancing
around.
It was perfect.
Oh, from season

SPEAKER_02 (50:10):
one, yeah.
So anything else for Severance?

SPEAKER_00 (50:16):
I think that's about it for Severance for now.
I'm really looking forward toseeing where they go with it,
and I think it's about to get alittle crazy.
I

SPEAKER_02 (50:26):
mean, this show's always been crazy, but yeah, I
think they...
I enjoy...
Apple seems to be giving theirshows freedom to just kind of do
what they want to do and letthem be the creative...
outlet they want to be and Ithink that you end up getting
stuff like this because of itand Apple has been less trigger

(50:48):
happy to pull shows and so youknow I don't think they've
announced season three Severanceyet but I can't imagine with
five episodes left we get anykind of resolution to what's
going on here oh yeah I can'tsee that either like I just
don't see it I don't see ithappening so I will be

(51:09):
interested to see how they wrapthis season up and what kind of
thing.
What somebody online said, and Iagree, every episode they give
us more information and it onlymakes the mystery deeper.
Like, we get a little bit more,but it's like so confusing.
Yeah.
The information is so confusing.

SPEAKER_00 (51:26):
Let us see your belly button.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (51:28):
the information is so confusing.
It's like they're giving us moreand it doesn't, but it's not,
the puzzle isn't getting anycloser to being done.

SPEAKER_00 (51:36):
Yeah, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 (51:38):
Episode 96, that is Rapunzel.

SPEAKER_00 (51:41):
So if you've had to sever yourself to get through
the beginning podcast, becauseyou are one of the people that
did not want us to talk aboutDisney or Special Forces, now
we're going to talk about ournext show, Severance, if you
know, you know.
So we watched episodes six andseven of Severance, and what a
ride.

SPEAKER_02 (51:58):
This is the best show on television.

SPEAKER_00 (52:04):
You're going to put it above the bear?

UNKNOWN (52:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:06):
See, I'm still thinking hacks for me.
The reason I didn't say

SPEAKER_02 (52:08):
The Bear or Severance during our
deliberations last time we hadthem is because we didn't know.
It only had one season and weweren't sure how they were going
to come out in season two.
And folks, they have come out.
They are strong.
They are powerful.
Season two, episode seven.

SPEAKER_00 (52:30):
Oh, it was beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 (52:31):
Maybe the best episode of television ever.

SPEAKER_00 (52:34):
Okay, I'm not going to go as far as say that.
That's a little much.
But you're willing to say thatwhen we still have a few
episodes left.
Correct.
Yes, I am.

SPEAKER_02 (52:41):
Yes, without hesitation.
I'm willing to say that.

SPEAKER_00 (52:45):
Episode six, I think, was more about Mark
getting his reintegration.
His sister now finds out whatthey're doing.
Honestly, I can barely remember.
He and

SPEAKER_02 (52:53):
Heli-R got it on.
Oh, yeah.
Like the actual, yeah.
And it was a really awkwardsituation.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:00):
That was weird.

SPEAKER_02 (53:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:02):
But the reason why I just, episode six is slipping my
mind because you said episodeseven was so good.
We finally got information onGemma, his wife, what she's
doing.
It seems to me they're holdingher captive.

SPEAKER_01 (53:13):
Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 (53:14):
Down there.
She started to see this guy,Robbie Benson, who's the voice
of the beast from Beauty and theBeast, people.
What?
He plays this doctor and weassume she's going to him for
fertility treatment.
So my question is this.
When she signed up for thefertility treatments, did she
sign up knowing what she wasdoing, or did they literally

(53:34):
convince her or coerce her intojoining this program?
Because it seems to me they'llsend her to...
She has multiple differentpersonalities.
She has one that...
Imagine waking every time youopen your eyes, you're at the
dentist.
That's all you do

SPEAKER_02 (53:47):
for a couple hours.

SPEAKER_00 (53:48):
What kind of hellscape life is that?
There's one, every day isChristmas, and you have to write
Christmas cards.

SPEAKER_02 (53:52):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (53:52):
until your hand hurts.
So they're doing differentthings with her.
How do we think she got...
I

SPEAKER_02 (54:00):
don't know.
I'm along for the ride at thispoint.
But the way they wove the...
So they gave us background onMark and Gemma and how they met.
They gave us updates on whatMark and Gemma are doing right
now because Mark is reallysuffering through the process of
reintegration.
And Gemma's been in thispurgatorial hell for...
And

SPEAKER_00 (54:20):
she wants to see Mark.

SPEAKER_02 (54:21):
Yeah, and then she gets told by the guy, oh, he
remarried last year and has akid.

SPEAKER_00 (54:25):
Because we do see regular Gemma.

SPEAKER_02 (54:27):
Yeah, we do.
Yes, which is even moreconfusing as to how she got
there because we thought shedied in a car accident and Mark
even made a comment in seasonone, I verified the body.

SPEAKER_01 (54:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:37):
So it's interesting.
I'm...
They're going to need to explainsome more, but the way they wove
this episode together with thecinematography and the edits and
the cuts and everything.
It was great.
It was beautiful.
The way they use music,everything.
It was a, it was a, it was aall.
Okay.
Maybe I think saying bestindividual television episode

(54:57):
ever is really difficult becausetaste comes into a lot of that.
Yeah.
It's an all timer.

SPEAKER_00 (55:03):
Yeah.
It's really good.
It

SPEAKER_02 (55:04):
isn't when, when you point back and think about a
show, you're, I'm going to thinkabout this episode.

SPEAKER_00 (55:10):
See, I always think about the episode with the
suitcase on Mad Men, with Peggyand Don in the suitcase.
That's one of the, when I think,and it's not even like you say
taste, because that's not from abeautiful, but from a
storytelling perspective.
Right, right, right, yeah.
That's an episode I alwaysremember.
So, yeah, I want to know whyshe's down there.
I have a lot of questions.

(55:30):
I need to point it out, or I'dbe remiss.
Mark, pre-Severed Life, whoo,looking good, looking good.
Wow.
You know, bravo.
So I really want to know, likethis doctor, like clearly is
shady.
Like at one point he's playing adentist and he's pretending to
be her husband.
Like, did she, I want to know ifshe thought she was signing up

(55:52):
for like a way to help conceivea child.
And I want to know if she knewwhat she was doing.
Or if they actually captured herand promised she'd see Mark
later.

SPEAKER_02 (56:02):
I think the fact that she's asking about Mark and
they're lying to her aboutwhat's happened to him suggests
that she's not there.
Willingly.
In my opinion, I believe the carwreck was...
Set up.
Yeah.

(56:22):
But then they

SPEAKER_00 (56:26):
said something weird.
They said when...
So the two guys are talking...
like the fake doctor and thisother guy, and they're like,
well, when Cold Harbor orwhatever is complete, that's
Mark's project, then we're goingto get rid of her.

SPEAKER_01 (56:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:42):
I need to know about that.
And, Daniel, I looked.
There are 10 episodes ofSeverance, and the final
episode, according to IMDb, istitled Cold Harbor.
Do

SPEAKER_02 (56:51):
you remember when early in this episode where they
asked her what would scare youmore, suffocation or drowning?

SPEAKER_00 (57:00):
Yes.
And

SPEAKER_02 (57:03):
she said drowning.
Yeah.
What's a harbor?
I'm worried.
I'm

SPEAKER_00 (57:10):
worried.
The vibes aren't there.
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (57:13):
very worried.
Episode 97, Spring Forward.
Next up...
We watched episode 8 ofSeverance, a.k.a.
the episode that everybodycomplains about.

SPEAKER_00 (57:27):
Yeah, and I still love Severance.
I think that if I was watchingthis the way I watched Severance
last season, where I had all theepisodes at once, I wouldn't
have even blinked about this.
And I do think this episode,because it was, let's call it
what it is, it was focused onMrs.
Cobell.
It was basically, we only sawMark at the very end.

(57:47):
And I think it was essential tothe story that they're telling
because we did learn a lot abouther and some of her intentions.

SPEAKER_02 (57:54):
And world building as well.

SPEAKER_00 (57:56):
Yeah, because we got to kind of see what a place was
like that was run by Lumen andthen Lumen left and it's really
in disarray and terrible andalmost like third world-ish and
just awful.
But I think they could havetaken this, fragments of this
and sprinkled it in otherepisodes.
Like we were so happy that wewere getting a 10 episode
season.
This episode while it wasn'tfiller because it did serve a

(58:19):
purpose, I felt like all weekendthat I didn't actually watch
severance.
And I'm going to say that.
And I don't think that makes mea hater.
I just completely being honestabout it.

SPEAKER_02 (58:29):
I think there's a couple of points to that.
Like first, this was theshortest episode of the season
by far.
It was only like a 37 minuteepisode.
Um, and it just, yeah, it reallyfelt completely disconnected
from everything.
Cause it was, um, it wasinteresting.
I'm, I understand what they'redoing with...

(58:51):
So, spoilers for everybodywatching Severance.
The big reveal of this episode,really.
The piece of information theywanted you to get out of this
episode was Harmony Cobell isactually the person that came up
with the Severance procedure.

SPEAKER_00 (59:03):
And not only that, they made a comment in a
previous episode, like, she's asoldier.
She was raised by them.
Literally.
Yeah, literally.
It seems to me like theyhandpicked kids, forced them
into labor, which now it makessense why we have the little
girl that's working with Mr.
Milchak.
Yeah.
And so She was chosen as a childto go work for Lumen.

(59:24):
So we had that reveal as well.
And so

SPEAKER_02 (59:26):
because she's...
It's

SPEAKER_00 (59:28):
like Ross's Jurassic Park napkin, only real.

SPEAKER_02 (59:31):
So she came up with it, but she was convinced

SPEAKER_00 (59:33):
by...
Do you remember when Ross cameup with the idea for Jurassic
Park?
Don't make me show the napkin.
I

SPEAKER_02 (59:40):
did.
So anyways...
So she was convinced by Luman,you know, brainwashed by Luman
to, you know, say it was for thebetter.
Nobody gets credit for the goodworks, even though they all
everybody now, including Helena,credits her father.
for coming up with

SPEAKER_00 (59:58):
the severance protocol.
And did they invent the godwithin the company, Kier?
Or is this just a god-likespace?
Kier is the

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:05):
original founder of the company.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:07):
Okay.
Who's the one they were tellingthe

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:09):
story about when they went to the retreat?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:12):
Because they, like, pray to Kier.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:13):
Yeah.
Kier Egan is the originalfounder of the company.
I think what they're trying todo is bring Kier Egan back from
the dead.
And I think that...

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:23):
That's a good theory.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:25):
Gemma is their first...
Yeah.
I think she actually died.
And they brought her back.
So now we're trying to...
Do

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:36):
you think they were involved in her death then?
Because in that flashbackepisode, we saw the guy that's
working with Lumen, like herdoctor.
That was the doctor at thefertility clinic.
So do you think they planned thewhole thing?
Yes, I do.
I think that's what's happening.
Why was

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:49):
she chosen?
I don't know.
But...
So it was an importantinformation, but I agree with
you.
They could have spliced this inwith, give us a 50-50 episode
where half of it's this and halfof it's our crew back at Lumen
having their shenanigans.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:05):
I just didn't feel like I got my severance fix from
it.
And I know that PatriciaArquette, she's done a lot of...
you know, she's been nominatedfor Academy Awards.
I don't know if she's wonanything, but she's been
nominated for a lot of awards.
So I know that, like, bringingher in, like, she's not just
going to have a bit role, but...
I'll be honest with you.
I find her the leastinteresting.

(01:01:25):
I'd rather even see hisbrother-in-law interact more.
But Milchak, like if they hadgiven me like a Milchak, what's
Milchak's like when he's not atLumen?
What's his day like?
I would have been way moreinterested in that like in a
one-off episode.
Because he is the mostinteresting character for better

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:41):
or

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:41):
worse.
You said earlier in the episode,two years from now, somebody
watching this show without anypre-knowledge is going to blow
through this episode and they'renot going to think anything of
it because they can go right onto the next episode.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:53):
And it It is relevant to the story.
It's not like where they hadthat episode of Stranger Things
where Eleven goes and finds likeher sister that we've never
heard about since.
Right.
That just seemed like a why didthey do this plot?
Like this actually like thestory was important.
I just feel like it could theexecution wasn't my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:10):
That's correct.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:12):
All right.
Anything else you want to sayabout Severance?

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:14):
No, I'm looking forward to the last two
episodes.
I think they're going toprobably put their foot on the
gas here in Episode 8.
I hope so.
Or 9 and 10 and really blow oursocks off.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:23):
I don't want them to have another kind of quieter,
focusing episode and then finaleto be bananas.
I want the last two episodes tobe chaos.
I do

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:31):
think it's going to be difficult for them to
recreate the tension of theseason finale from Season 1.
I think that was an all-timegreat season finale.
But I'm expecting a lot.
In episode 98, we had a crashout, but also continue to talk
about Severance in March MadnessCrash Out.

(01:02:53):
Well, let's switch over to AppleTV here real quick.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:55):
Speaking of stress, devour feculence.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:59):
Episode 9 of Severance, season 2, which we're
finally back to seeing whateverybody...
We took a break last week to seesome backstory on...
What's her face?
Miss Cobell.
We're back to seeing what thegang is up to.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:14):
And it was a wonderful, amazing episode.
Why don't you tell us whatdevour feculence means if people
haven't put context cluestogether?
It

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:23):
means eat shit, Mr.
Drummond.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:26):
Mr.
Melchick's crash out I thinkmight be better than my March
Madness crash out and he is myfavorite character in the show
for better or worse because he'snot he's not he's definitely
villainy but I don't know ifhe's necessarily full blown
villain like the Egan's and it'sjust I don't know what it is
that actor the delivery thatentire scene I felt like we were

(01:03:48):
both like I'm pretty sure I wasclapping like audibly clapping.
All right, so go ahead andcircle us back, start of the
episode, where it kicks off withMark, and they're meeting up
with Mrs.
Cobell, Mark and his sister.
We

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:00):
get a brief opening conversation between Helena Egan
and her father, which was justoff-putting and strange.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:07):
That was odd.
The way she was eating it, noone can make, you always make
fun of the way I eat things.
She was eating a deviled eggweird, or no, a hard-boiled egg.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:15):
And she also said something that I didn't pick up
until after seeing some TikTokson it, that she said we're
having, Somebody with a lastname of B taken care of, which I
think we should interpret thatthat's Irving.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:32):
And so later in the episode, we see Christopher
Walken pick him up and we findout that Christopher Walken,
essentially, his character waseither in a...
A strong man that takes peopleout or at least he drives them
to the place where they're goingto be taken out.
But he chooses instead.
That was sad.
He chooses instead to takeIrving over to the train station
and give him an opportunity totry and escape.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:54):
What about chemistry, though, with that
ship?

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:56):
Oh, man, gosh.
That is just like

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:58):
top notch.
I think they have more chemistrythan Mark and Hallie.
What about you?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:03):
the actors, Christopher Walken and I can't
remember his name.
Barton Fink.
Barton Fink, yeah.
Their chemistry is off thecharts.
Yeah.
So we got that going on.
Mark and his sister...
meet up with cobell and kind ofhave a conversation about what

(01:05:23):
can we do here and they don't imean they don't really
accomplish much

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:26):
they're on their way to one of the birthing cabins
that you could go to if you weresevered and you didn't want to
you know experience the pain ofchild labor and they know that
if they take him into that cabinthey can wake up his any

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:38):
yep

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:39):
So that's, so we kind of, I felt like that he had
to call in sick to Mr.
Milchak cause they're all like,and they're all angry with
Milchak.
Like where the heck is Mark?
Where the heck is Mark?
So Milchak's dealing with allthat while also having Mr.
Drummond done his back.
And basically Mr.
Drummond's like, this is allyour fault.
And that's when we got the, I'vesaid it like 50 times.

(01:06:01):
You say it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:02):
Devour of eculence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because essentially what Milchaksays is, Hey Drummond, I'm
responsible for the severedfloor.
You're responsible foreverything outside the severed
floor.
So Mark not showing up to workis not my problem.
That's your problem.
Exactly.
So I'm interested to see wherethat leads.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:18):
And then Helly's trying to figure, what is Helly?
Helly's trying to hang in there,Dylan.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:23):
Helly got the note from Bert, or from Irving, and
she is attempting to memorizethe map that he wrote for her on
how to get to the black elevatorthat takes you down to a
different floor.
And we know that Gemma is onthat floor.
Yes.
So...
It was a setup episode, but itwas a good episode.

(01:06:44):
But it leads off with her downthere on the severed floor
memorizing the map.
Somebody approaches her frombehind, and we think it's
Milchak at first, just trying tobe like, probably like, hey, why
are you still here?
But in the very last moments,it's revealed it's actually her
father.
Creepy daddy.
And he says, you tricked me,addressing her as if they've

(01:07:05):
spoken before.
Yeah.
And then that's just, that'swhere they left

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:08):
it.
Oh, and speaking of crashingout, Dylan, Annie Dillon.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:12):
yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:13):
Basically kissed.
Can't forget that.
whatever his wife's name is.
We just call her Elizabeth fromNew Girl.
And she finally came clean toAudi Dylan, who got mad about it
and was like, no, no more.
Because it's going back to thething of your Annie and your
Audi.
Are they you?
Are they two different people?
I really think that my Annie andAudi would hate each other.
Don't you think so?

(01:07:34):
I feel like the stronger yourpersonality is, and I can admit
it, if you guys haven't noticed,I have a strong personality.
Sorry.
I feel like we would not getalong.
Do you think you would get alongwith your innie outie or would
you just be more like Mark

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:48):
I'd probably be more like Mark I don't know but it
goes to the central themes ofthe show which is like what
makes you you

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:53):
yeah exactly is it

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:55):
just your memories and your lived experience that
makes you you is that it

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:59):
so is Dylan done did he they showed him turning in
his stuff This is our Dylan thatwe've gotten to come to know any
Dylan.
It's almost like he'sessentially like offing himself.
Yeah.
I mean, when

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:09):
you request what the request he's made is essentially
a suicide.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:13):
Did we see him completely walk out of the
building?

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:15):
No, we saw him get on the elevator and the elevator
shut and we never, we don't knowwhat happens after that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:20):
So we'll see

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:21):
him again.
And again, we also have toremember that Audi Dylan really
needs that job.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's not just as easy becausethey said, we won't see you
again unless your request isdenied.
So, It's not just as easy asquitting for the innies.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:34):
Exactly.
So what do you think was goingon with the whole thing to bring
in the wives?
I felt like they thought theycould manipulate Dylan for their
good.
They did.
And it backfired.
It

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:43):
backfired,

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:44):
for sure.
So much.
So let's see here.
Oh, we have the question of thelittle girl.
What's her name?
The little girl manager?
Oh, Mrs.
Wong.
Mrs.
Wong answering.
I felt like they sort ofanswered that in the Miss Cobell
episode, that they essentiallytake children as fellowships,
interns, and raise them withinthe company.
So her fellowship ended and shegets on a bus.

(01:09:05):
So I felt like they did kind ofanswer why was there a little
girl working there.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:08):
Yeah.
But I also saw something onTikTok and I haven't gone back
to explore it myself.
So again, be careful with TikToktheories.
TikTok can have some wildtheories.
Mrs.
Wong is not one of these, but Ido think we have one of these on
the show that hasn't beenrevealed to us yet.
It was noted, and I can'tremember, I think Mr.
Drummond may have said it, thatsomebody is one of...

(01:09:31):
Oh, no.
Cobell said it as they weregoing into the birthing retreat,
because what they tricked, howthey tricked to get in there was
just Devin is pretended to bepregnant.
And it's and she said, it's oneof Jan's Jamie's, as in Jamie
Egan, as in he gets womenpregnant on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:50):
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:52):
think Cobell

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:55):
daughter

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:55):
is actually his daughter.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:57):
And that's

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:58):
why there's even maybe more rub against Helly and
Cobell.
Now, maybe that's not

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:04):
true.
We got one episode left.
But

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:06):
listen, we know that from the Cobell episode last
week that the mother was devout.
Yeah.
But the sister hates.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:14):
Yeah.
So what do you think, though?
What do you think is going tohappen in the finale?
Oh, I have

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:20):
no idea.
I want

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:21):
to know where the goat people come into play with
everything.
Oh, you're not going to

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:24):
find anything else out about the goat people.
What

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:27):
is going on

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:28):
there?
A lot of people on the internetseem to think, and I think this
is a reasonable way to go, but Ialso think it just could be
completely, utterly useless.
I think a lot of people seem tothink that Gemma is an
experiment to try and see ifthey can transplant...
the consciousness of a dead Eganinto a live person and bring

(01:10:50):
them back.
The manner in which they'retaking to get there seems
completely ludicrous.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:57):
Well, the final episode is called Cold Harbor.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:59):
Yeah, we've been building to that all season.
I don't know what's going tohappen.
But I'm excited.
Because like last season, Icouldn't have told you.
I couldn't have expected whatthey ended up dropping on us
last season.
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:13):
did, though.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:14):
With

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:15):
Helly?

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:16):
I did, I did.
I never trust anybody.
You're always the greatest ofall time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:20):
You know, I'm right, unlike the selection committee
for March Madness.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:25):
And we completed our conversation about Severance in
episode 99, Peanut Butter EggDrama.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:31):
Too bad they can't sever themselves.
Ha ha.
To listen to the parts of thepodcast they don't know.
All right, Severance, season twofinale.
Let's just go with firstreaction.
I'm going to go with, and thisis going to sound extreme, I'm
not talking about seriesfinales, because that's a whole
different ballgame to navigate aseries finale.

(01:11:52):
Season finales in general, maybeeven just an episode of TV in
general, best thing I've everwatched.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:00):
I wholeheartedly agree with that.
I thought they would have a hardtime topping Severance Season
1's finale, and in a completelydifferent way, They just blew it
completely

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:12):
out of the water.
The season one finale was stillamazing, but this just elevated
it.
The whole episode, and it was along episode, right?
What was the run time on it?

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:21):
About an hour 17.
I would sever

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:24):
myself.
Oh, I thought you said it was anhour 40.
So it wasn't an hour 40.
It was an hour

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:27):
17.
No, an hour 17.
I would sever myself just to beable to watch Severance season
one and season two again for thefirst time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:35):
and you'd have your two different people.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:37):
Yeah, and you know what?
I wouldn't feel guilt like theother people do because my
Annie, all he does is watchSeverance all the time and have
snacks.
Like, what a time that would be.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:46):
That would be pretty cool.
Unlike some of the

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:49):
other Annies that

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:50):
have...
Like, maybe at last weekend, Iwas like, can I sever myself to
go to the dentist, please?

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:55):
Yeah.
Honestly, I don't know even howto begin to break that episode
down because there was...
So much going on in there, andit didn't feel long.
Like, it did not feel

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:07):
like a long episode of television.
The whole episode, I was onedge, but in a good way.
Like, it was almost like I washolding my breath.
I was just so much anticipation.
It delivered.
It had everything.
So we'll just go ahead and startoff.
It kind of begins...
at least the most memorablescene sticks out where we have
Mark at the cabin and the cabinis one of like this, where they

(01:13:29):
bring people that are severed togive birth.
So that's how they were able toget Mark S and Mark Scout.
Like, And they basically pulleda Parks and Rec like where Ron
Swanson recorded a video ofhimself when he was back with
Tammy 2 and be like, this meansyou've fallen for that evil

(01:13:49):
woman again.
But they basically were able tokeep the innie and the outie
mark were able to communicate.
And I absolutely lovedeverything about that scene.
What about you?

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:59):
Yeah, it felt like the writing felt natural.
You know, you felt both of thecharacters.
You could see the difference inthe two characters.
They're two differentcharacters.
He was using a camcorder torecord messages back and forth.
But as the scene went on, theystarted cutting faster and
faster and faster to the pointwhere it felt like they were
just talking to each other inthe same room from our
perspective.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:18):
And it really did feel like even though they are
these same people, body, person.
They are two different peoplewith two different experiences,
which really is the whole pointthat Severance is trying to
drive home with the innies andouties.
And I have to say, I knew, Iknew Audi Mark was cooked.
The moment they, so basicallyhe's telling him about like why

(01:14:39):
it's so important if we do thisso he can be reunited with
Gemma.
And he's like, oh, I see.
And the way he talked about toAnnie Mark was just so like the
way you talk to a childcondescending he was like so
condescending he's like well Ihear you found love down there
with what's her name?
Helene?
yeah and it reminded me of theepisode where Audi Mark was at
the bar and Helena came up tohim and was talking about Gemma

(01:15:01):
and she's like oh right Hannah

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:03):
yeah the same condescension the

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:05):
same condescension and it's to show you the class
the

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:07):
class markers that the show is trying to point out
to you yes so and it was reallywell done when you put it
together with those earlierscenes from the show

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:15):
absolutely and we are rooting obviously for both
versions of Mark's like we feelfor both of their stories but it
was just in that moment you seethat Mark Audi Mark had that
same amount of like beingcondescending and probably
didn't even realize it becausehe is still not really thinking
of his any as a person no whichwas like the whole theme of it

(01:15:36):
and our boy Dylan I think hisAudi is the only one so far to
see his any as truly

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:43):
yes I agree

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:45):
a person because let's just go ahead and get to
that scene another fantasticscene we have so we when we last
left off Dylan any Dylan was hewas so upset about what happened
and where he can't see like thehis Audi wife anymore that he
wanted to terminate and I guessto like your Audi has to agree
with that so he comes back andhe's like oh so he's not gonna

(01:16:06):
let me do it and Mr.
Milk Check delivers him theletter that Aldi Dillon wrote
and I don't know what he had togo prepare for his basically he
needs to get to that in a second

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:19):
we'll get to that in a

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:19):
second he had to go prep so he lays the letter down
sprints out of the room and forpeople that don't think
severance is funny it's littlemoments of physical comedy like
that

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:29):
really funny in a dark way in a dark way but I
think severance is very funny

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:32):
were you expecting to lay the letter down and turn
around and sprint

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:36):
no that was kind of out of left field

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:39):
my man's had rehearsal yeah What can I say?
But that letter from Audi Dylanwas basically like, first off, F
you.
I thought that was funny.
But then he was like, you know,you do what you got to do.
And I feel like that's just whata good guy Dylan is all around.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:55):
Yeah, and before we go on, we didn't get any Burt.
or any Irving in this episode.
I don't think that's to suggestthat that is gone, like that
Irving's never coming back,because we still never found out
who he was talking to.
We just didn't get that payoffin this episode.
That's probably a season threething.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:12):
There's still lots of stuff to answer about his
character, because he was theone that was drawing the door.
Why was Audi Irving drawing thedoor?
There's still a lot ofunanswered stuff with him, and I
think, like you said, that couldbe for season three.
So we got Ms.
Cobell.
She was with Devin and Marktrying to be a that they're
going to help with the plan onthe outside.
Do you think Ms.
Cobell is done?

(01:17:33):
Or is she still trying to dosomething with this and work her
way back in?
Bring a new era of Keir?
A

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:39):
new era of Lumen?
I think Cobell's ultimate rolein the show will be villain.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:46):
Yeah, I agree.
And I

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:47):
think that in this season, because of how Lumen
treated her at the end of seasonone, pegging basically all the
problems on her, she turned heeland...
or turned not turned healed butturned good for the selfish
purpose of pushing her forwardyeah and so ultimately next

(01:18:09):
season I think she will turnback.
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:13):
think her character makes so much more sense now
that we had her backgroundepisode and we found out that
they are taking, you know,literal children or why she is
that way.
I think ultimately she was doingthis to kind of stick it to him
and so that she can use it as apower play.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:28):
Correct.
I believe so.
In fact, you know,

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:30):
I don't think Devin should trust her.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:32):
Yeah.
So, and for all we know, youknow, Gemma, Gemma gets out.
We'll get to that in a minute.
But for all we know, Devin andMiss Cobell are waiting out in
the parking lot to pick her up.
And for all we know, Cobellturns right back around and
said, look what I caught.
I don't think it's going to godown that way, but it could.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:48):
All right.
So we have Mark, who any Markdoes agree that he's going to go
back in to Lumen to go to work.
Or Audi Mark does.
And he's just going to trustthat...
Even though he's like, I don'tknow.
There was that littleconversation about it.
Like, do you believe me?
Like the no, that part.
But whatever be the case, AudiMark's going to show up to work.

(01:19:08):
Hope that any Mark goes with theplan.
So we've got any Mark completingCold Harbor, which we found out.
that basically cold harbor eachtime they put numbers in the
little box is that's anotherlike kind of personality another
any of jemma

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:24):
it's unclear still what they're testing in this
case it's obvious that thisisn't the first person they've
done these tests with before

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:32):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:32):
this is another step in whatever whatever their
ultimate goal is which is a backseat ultimately

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:37):
and it's a good thing you said that because like
the scientist lady that was kindof working with jemma she runs
out at one point wheneverything's going down and
she's like it's the freakinghusband makes me think
definitely that this is not thefirst couple yeah they've done
something like this with so wegot mark we've got um helly we
assume it's helly with him andthey're talking about and

(01:19:59):
helly's down to go with the planbut helly does say something
very like she's kind ofencouraging any mark to go in
with the plan to go forward getjim out and she basically says
i'm her

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:13):
Yeah, she says, I'm her, and what I took that as is
that I'm never going to be whatyou want because they will not
put

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:22):
her back down here.
Like, Helena's ultimately a partof me.
That's kind of how I interpretedthat, too, because we had her
daddy say that he saw more Eganin her than he did her outer
self.
counterpart, I guess.
So all the while this is goingon, we have Mark complete it.
At one point, I'm like, okay,it's completed.
Why aren't we running off with aplan?

(01:20:42):
The

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:43):
greatest scene ever in television history takes
place.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:48):
Can we please get him, Mr.
Milchak, to perform for theSuper Bowl halftime show?

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:54):
So a marching band just shows up in the severed
floor.
An entire severed marching band.
And just starts marching downthe hallways towards him once he
finishes it and comes into theroom.
Um...
Even what's-his-face hears itfrom wherever he's at.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:08):
First, you missed out how we came out here with
that doll of...

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:12):
The Montag?

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:13):
Yeah, of Egan, and who was definitely messing with
him.
What were you saying?

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:17):
I said Montag instead of monologue.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:19):
Oh, so he's got this statue guy who was ever doing
the voice of it.
I'm assuming that'd be Mr.
Drummond.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:26):
That's what it sounded

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:28):
like.
Was definitely trying to screwwith Milchak, and Milchak wasn't
having it.
My mans was ready to danceagain.
So we didn't get a waffle partythis season, but we did get the
most extraordinary dance songnumber I've ever seen in the
history of television.
And I'm just sad that it got cutshort in a way.
It

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:44):
got cut short.
I want to see the whole thing.
Helly goes and grabs Mon...
Milchek's radio and runs intothe bathroom to distract him,
giving Mark the chance to runoff and try and get on to the
next floor down, which is whereGemma is being held.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:59):
And my man's Dylan shows up.
Shows in.
Just in the nick of time.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:03):
Comes in in the nick of time, just like in season
one.
Helps keep Milchek.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:08):
Didn't he, like, shove the vending machine in
front of

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:10):
it?
Yeah, in there and saves theday.
Mark.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:13):
And you guys, or Dylan, Daniel is usually the
type of person where he has his,like, sports watching stance
where I sit on the edge of thecouch and he starts to pace but
when it comes to shows he'stypically not a shouter not an
animated person and when I tellyou we're watching this and
Daniel rises off the couch fistin air and goes yes in the

(01:22:34):
middle of it when Dylan showedup it was great because you know
you don't react even to yourbeloved Star Trek you don't
react like that when you watchTV or much whereas I'm like
pause the TV I must process thisand I dramatically like my head
back.
You were full-blown excited, andI love the rare moments where I
get better than, you know, itwas fine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:56):
All I've heard from this is that you're more
dramatic than me, so I'm goingto move forward.
Shocker.
Mark makes it to the door.
He has a brief mix-up with Mr.
Drummond and with the help ofBrienne of Tarth.
Don't tell me that wasn'tBrienne of Tarth just severed
onto the severance

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:12):
floor.
The fact that I've seen her,Gwendolyn Christie, beat up two
men On a TV show, two differentshows, it's just chef's kiss.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:20):
So he gets down to the floor where Gemma is

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:22):
at.
You're not even mentioning thegoat part?
You know, I

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:26):
don't know what to make of the goats.
All I can think of is theysacrifice a goat each time in
any...
But she was so happy that shedidn't have to sacrifice her.
But she was happy not to have todo it.
So Mark makes it down to thefloor where Gemma's being held.
He chases off the lady who says,it's the spouse or the husband
or whatever she said.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:44):
Spouse, I think that's what she said.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:45):
Gets in, gets Gemma out of the weird room, the Cold
Harbor room.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:49):
And Gemma doesn't know that that's Mark at this
point.
That's the thing.
They have her in thereassembling their crib that they
tried to build in theGemma-focused episode that was
supposed to be for their unbornchild.
And...
This is what I felt was socompelling is that she doesn't
know anything about him.
And this is still...
Which mark is this right now?

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:09):
Oh, I forgot to say it.
So when he gets down to thelower floor...
through the black door, it goesback to Audie

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:15):
Mark.
Audie Mark, yes.
But she doesn't know Mark at allat this point.
Not any Mark, not Audie Mark.
She doesn't know who she is.
He still convinces her to getout of that room.
She

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:24):
trusts him more than she trusts the voice and the
voices speaking.
When she comes out of the room,finally for the first time in
the series...
Up to this date, we've seen Markmeets Gemma again for a brief
moment.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:37):
It was so beautiful, like such a moment of passion,
happiness, joy, like not likeshock.
It was a gorgeous moment only tobe shattered instantly.
They get in the elevator andsuddenly they both turn into
their severed floor things whereshe's Miss Casey again.

(01:24:58):
Yep.
And he is Mark S.
And the acting was incrediblewith this.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:03):
Well, because they were mid-kiss as the elevator's
going up and the ding goes offand they both switch over.
And you could just...
The actors did such a good jobof being like, all of a sudden
be like, oh, I've just woken upkissing this person that I
really don't know very well.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:16):
I feel like Miss Casey personality though was,
you know what?
I've done well.
So...

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:21):
They run to the door.
Yep.
Miss Casey gets out the door andturns back into Gemma.
And any Mark is standing thereand suddenly he starts to...
Hesitate.
And then Helly comes around thecorner.
And then slowly he turns andgoes with Helly.
And I know you're going to latchon to this and you're going to

(01:25:41):
talk about it for a millionyears, so I'll just say it.
Helly and Mark go to run off,but before she does, Helly gives
Jim a some kind of look.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:50):
A look.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:50):
And then they leave because there's a window in the
door.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:52):
It looked to me like Helly was giving a bit of a
smirk, but maybe re-watching it,I've zoomed in on her face.
And it still looks like a littlesmirk to me.
Maybe not quite as smirky asHelena could have been.
But she gives her a look.

(01:26:12):
And I think that's...
It could have easily beeninterpreted that that was
Helena.
The actress has come out sincethat plays Helly Helena and said
that it's not.
And the reason why even I wasquestioning, I was like, Helly
was never cruel.
The fact that they gave thatlook.

(01:26:32):
But one of the main things why Iwas questioning, even though she
gave the look, it was weird.
And I was like, is it reallygoing to be Helena?
Because that would be a repeatof season one.
And I think based off ofinterviews, going back,
re-watching the scene at adnauseum, I think that you can
justify that it was Helly, butHelly and Mark both realizing
that while they have thosecounterparts, they have a life

(01:26:54):
to live as Ennies.
And I think part of Helly beinglike, I'm her, also was maybe
her dad got in her head a littlebit about the, you know, you
have more Egan in you, and maybethat doesn't mean to use the
Egan for bad, but she realizedthat she does have some power.
So I don't know.
I think the look was confusing.
I think it was doneintentionally to mislead
viewers.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:13):
think it was very intentional.
I bet they spent a lot of timegetting that look right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:18):
Yeah, because it really...
That was the main thing theystressed the whole time, that
Helly was never cruel.
And I feel like the Helly wehave come to know would have
insisted that he go ahead and bewith Gemma, but at the same
time, wouldn't it also be cruelto collectively...
You'd be ending our Enimark'slife.

(01:27:39):
No matter what he said about thereintegration, them coming back
together, and I think...
Mark S., any Mark in thatmoment, made the most moral
choice he could do.
He didn't let Gemma die.
He assumes that she's going togo to safety.
But he knew if he walked throughthat door, he was never going to
get to see his love or his teamor his friends again.

(01:28:00):
And he did make that choice forhimself.
So I think for me, as obviouslya married person, I felt Gemma's
pain so much.
But I also understand why...
any Mark made the choice he did.
What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:16):
Do you think that if Helly hadn't showed up there at
that last moment, he would havestill made that choice?
Or do you think he would havewent out the door?

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:25):
I don't know.
Honestly, I think he might havestill chosen to go find Helly.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:30):
That's my thinking.
I agree with you that Mark madea decision for himself for the
first time ever because it wasfinally a time he got to choose.
My only concern is, did hischoice get...
taken away a little bit by hellyshowing up there at the last
minute was she being kind ofselfish and making her own

(01:28:50):
choice

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:51):
i don't know because i think he we saw that he was
still conflicted about the wholething

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:55):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:56):
and about he knew that he'd be collectively no
matter what he mark scout saidabout integration reintegration
he still knew he knew the righton the law and the way he was
spoken to i think it definitelyhelped him make the choice to go
with helly But I don't know.
His judgment could have beenclouded in that moment.
I think he did prioritizegetting Gemma to safety.

(01:29:19):
And then one of the other thingsthat I noticed...
And a lot of fans were, like,Gemma was told by the one dude
that, like, when she was askingabout Mark, that Mark had moved
on.
And we all thought that in thatmoment that Gemma had no idea
that Mark was severed and thatmade it even more painful and

(01:29:40):
worse.
But since then, the actress whoplays Gemma, I believe, has come
out and said that she realizedthat Mark was severed, but she
still kept trying to scream toget him to come to her.
So these are just going by whatthe actors are saying with the
role.
You know,

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:53):
I take that at its face value from the actors, but
I also, at the end of the day,with season three not being
written yet, the writers couldchange that to, like, that's the
stuff that the actor has intheir mind when they're trying
to act the scene, right?
Yeah.
That doesn't mean that that'show it's going to be.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:11):
Well, I think in the case of Helly, that she was
told...
that it was Helly.
Like, from what she said in aninterview.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:19):
And that's important.
And I don't doubt that theactress that plays Gemma was
told that as well.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:26):
Regardless, so painful.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:28):
yeah.
They could change

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:29):
it.
She suffered so much.
They had that brief moment ofhappiness.
And I keep seeing, it's a funnything, because I keep seeing,
like, ship wars.
And I'm like, or people that areso mad at Annie Mark for the
choice he made.
And I'm like, you guys missedthe entire

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:44):
point

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:45):
of the whole season in this show that

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:47):
these

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:48):
are different people and that while they are like as
one it's the innies like whatthis the moral the ethical
dilemma what we're doing and ifyou've been if you watch this
finale and you were like well welearned nothing about Lumen I'm
not sure we're ever gonna

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:04):
that's not what this show's about

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:05):
that's not the point

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:06):
that's not what the show's about

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:08):
and I'm not trying to say we're not trying to say
that to sound like elitist orsomething because i've seen some
people criticize severance fansfor like coming off that way the

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:17):
show's ultimately about like i mean really deeply
down to it it's about the natureof you know who you are as a
person what makes you you butit's also a commentary on our
current work culture here inthis country and how employers
view their employees and allthose kind of things

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:37):
and like i was saying that a lot of people have
criticized severance fans forsaying All right.

(01:32:09):
Again, we'll get in the WhiteLotus in a minute.
Any show has fans that gatekeepand think they're the smartest
ones on the universe.
So don't let that be a reason tostop you from watching this
show.
It's really good.
Even though we've spoiledeverything.
If you're like, I don't care.
I'm never going to watchSeverance and you've heard us
talk.
What are you doing here?
Watching it's going to be evenbetter.
Who would you have gone with?
Because if you say you're Annie,knowing that I'm your outie

(01:32:32):
wife, I will

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:33):
smack you.
This is a traps question thatwives are asking their husbands
after this episode.
And I will not be a party to it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:40):
Just say you'd pick me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:41):
I'd pick you.
Who would you pick?

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:44):
You.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:46):
don't believe that for a second.
So anyways, Mark and Helly turnthe corner, run off down the
hallway into whatever in theworld they're going to be doing,
and then the episode ends.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:59):
Do we like how the season began of Severance of
Mark running, trying to findGemma, and then it ended with
him running away from Gemma?

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:07):
And I've seen criticism that are like, what do
Mark and Helly think is going tohappen, that they're running
away?
What does he think is going tohappen?
No, that's, again, not thepoint.
It's that moment of, you know,I'm going to spend my– if I'm
going to live, I'm going tospend my last few moments with
somebody I love and care aboutdeeply and see what happens that

(01:33:27):
way.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:28):
Yeah.
So anyways, I'm ready to call itright now.
I don't need any further debate.
I don't need any furtherconversation.
Severance is the best thinggoing.
Over the bear?
Over the bear.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:39):
And you're not going to wait until you see the bear
season four?

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:41):
Well, the bear season four might be the last
season of the bear.
Yeah.
And if it is, it doesn't matteranyway.
And that's why I can't pickhacks, right?
That's why I'm saying it now.
Before The Bear season fourcomes out, that this is, for me,
taking the place of The Bear asthe best thing going.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:58):
And that's why I can't pick Haxo, correct?
Because you can't have the last.
It's got to be a show withknowing that we're going to have
ongoing

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:05):
seasons.
Yeah, correct.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:06):
I think I'm going to tend to agree with you for now.
I got to wait and see what comesdown the pipe because if I can't
pick Hacks because it's ending.
And I feel like while I know I'mgetting more of the White Lotus,
the White Lotus is a hard callfor that because each season and
cast and story is different withsome remaining through points

(01:34:27):
connected.
And while, again, I liked seasontwo of the White Lotus, I'm a
season one purist and it wouldnot have been in my pick, but
season three is knocking it outof the park so far.
But I feel like that's one Ican't...
How do you feel about putting...
I know you said Severance, butjust in terms of a show like The
White Lotus that's so different,do you think that even can go in

(01:34:48):
that category?

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:49):
I think you could make the case for something like
that, but I think the reason youput behind it is that season two
wasn't as good for you as thefirst and what we're looking at
here in the third.
See,

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:00):
I just feel like you can't, because one of the things
that I like so much about showsis character growth and
development, and each season ofThe White Lotus is different.
So that's why I would not put itin a category to be the best
thing going, because it's alwaysgoing to be different.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:15):
I understand that logic.
It makes perfect sense to me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:17):
So circling back before we get into the White
Lotus about severance, the musicin the ending credits was also a
chef's kiss.
No notes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:28):
Before we even get to the music at the end of the
episode, Milchak's entrancemusic from the Bulls.
intro music, and then the bandplaying some really intense
music, just over making theentire scene so much more
intense because they kept theband music going the entire
time.
And then, yes, like that songthere at the end, which I saw

(01:35:48):
somebody on TikTok say it was areference from another movie.
That's how that movie ended, butI don't know what the movie is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:54):
Nice.
Great.
We all know a lot from what youjust said.
I think

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:57):
it might be The Graduate.
Okay,

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:00):
that would make sense because I have seen a lot
of pictures of...
Is it Dustin Hoffman in TheGraduate?
Of The Graduate with him.
Because he ends up choosing adaughter, right?
Right.
Not Mrs.
Robinson.
I've never seen that movieeither.
That's correct.
And I've been seeing that imagewith Helly and Marcus side by
side.
That's probably where it's

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:17):
from then.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:19):
Context clues, baby.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:20):
It was, like you said, every element from the
cinematography to the music tothe acting to the script to
whatever set design.
It was a perfect season finale.
It was a perfect televisionepisode, in my opinion.
I don't rank them, but if I wasgiving anything a 10 out of 10,

(01:36:40):
it would be season two finale ofSeverance.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:43):
I saw something that was like, oh my gosh, I hated
the end of that finale, but Iabsolutely loved it.
And it was like, yes, same.
We felt the pain, but it was sogood.
So season three...
Do you think Mr.
Milchuk's going to crash out oram I going to get some more
boogie in from my dude?
Some little dance moves.

SPEAKER_02 (01:37:00):
Oh, I think they'll have him dance again just
because now that's theexpectation from the fans.
We have to have a Milchuk danceevery season.
Where do we go from?
I don't know where we go.
I didn't like when I would thinkabout where are we going with
season two before we got toseason two, nothing that
happened ever crossed my mind asthe possibilities.

(01:37:20):
And to be honest, I, It's reallynice.
As somebody who sits around andthinks about what's possibly
going to happen in these shows,and those things happen usually,
it's really nice to not know.
And I'm just going to let myselfnot know.
I'm not going to go readtheories.
I'm not going to go do all thestuff I would normally do for
other people.
shows.

(01:37:41):
I'm just going to let themwriters cook and watch what they
have.
Hopefully not three years fromnow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:37:47):
I think at the end of season one, you still had the
whole Annie versus Aldi train ofthought, but there was still so
much focus on the mystery ofLumen.
Season two just flipped that andwas like, no, this isn't what
this show is about.
I think that they're going tohave to figure out some
different...
They were able to justify how wecould see Helly again.

(01:38:08):
He needs to complete ColdHarbor.
We Got to put her back downthere.
I'm not sure how we're going toget around because if I'm Mark.
Audi Mark, I'm not going back inthere if they've managed to get
me out of there after what MarkS.
did.
So we're going to have to.
And you know what?
I think they can do it.
I trust the team of writers.
I just, like you, Ben Stillersaid, that we don't have to wait

(01:38:30):
as long.

SPEAKER_02 (01:38:31):
Yeah, I hope it's not three years.
And that is it for SeveranceSeason 2 Supercut.
And we are looking forward toSeason 3.
We hope you are too.
And we'll see you next week.

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