We Watch TV Episode 101 – The White Lotus Season 3 Finale

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 In this episode of We Watch TV, Hope and Daniel dive into the chaos that was The White Lotus season 3 finale. Conversations continue with the latest from The Righteous Gemstones season 4. The hosts also chat Ghosts, Hacks, and yes, Desperate Housewives.

(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:52) The White Lotus (season 3 finale)
(00:38:31) The Righteous Gemstones (season 4, episode 5)
(00:45:46) Hacks (Daniel's first watch)
(00:48:09) Ghosts (season 4)
(00:53:35) Desperate Housewives

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
Why are you with this middle-aged weirdo?
Does he have a lot of

SPEAKER_02 (00:18):
money?
Hey everybody and welcome to WeWatch TV.
It is the podcast about the TVthat we watch.
I'm Daniel.
This is Hope.
We are on episode 101.
And...
Man, has it stopped raining forlike four days?
Five days?

SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
All I know is when I take Marvin out to use the
bathroom, there are like twoquasi-dry, when I say dry spot,
it's like spots where you don'tsink a half inch into the ground
every time you take it outthere.

SPEAKER_00 (00:50):
I'm sure he wants to go through the puddles.
Of course.
Even though he doesn't reallylike his feet being sopping wet.
That's been fun.

SPEAKER_02 (00:57):
He stays out of the standing water down at the end
of the driveway.
He doesn't get anywhere nearthat.
But the normal places he likesto go that are puddles, they're
not puddles, but they're wet, hejumps in

SPEAKER_00 (01:08):
through them and runs through them.
And he probably blames you.
He's like, why'd you put thesehere?
Why are you ruining everything?
But if you try to towel off hisfeet, he's like, excuse me.
Well, no, that's not acceptable.
Betrayal.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18):
That is unacceptable in every way.
Anyway,

SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
we're a couple middle-aged weirdos, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:24):
Yeah, I

SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
suppose.
I'm forever young.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:29):
suppose.
I don't know about that hope.
For everybody who's listening.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35):
Forever young.
I want to be forever young.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39):
We're doing this episode here this week.
We're taking next week offbecause we're going on a little
adventure for somebody'sbirthday.
We won't say which one.
My

SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
27th birthday.
All right.
Let's just get into some shows.
We watched a big one.
The White Lotus season threefinale.
It has since aired.
We know everything that happens.

SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
Spoilers going forward, of course.

SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
Yes, and remember, check those chapter markers.
This is your final warning.
White Lotus.
The coconut milk is bad!

SPEAKER_02 (02:12):
There was a lot of, like, this episode was...
Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
I thought it was a good finale.
I think that the people that arecomplaining about it clearly
didn't watch the other twoseasons.
Even season two, while there wasa lot of action, the endings are
still kind of like we hadTanya's accident.
I keep seeing people like, oh,there's plot holes because we

(02:42):
didn't see XYZ.
That's the way it is everyseason with The White Lotus.
We don't see these charactersanymore.
after they leave the resort.
So I agree with you.
It was interesting.
I was right about the majordeath.
Again, spoiler alert.
R.I.P.
my fellow Aries my queen Chelseabut if you didn't see I saw

(03:04):
somebody was like I can'tbelieve they did this like I
actually had a conversation withsomebody about this because he
was like there's no way they'regoing to kill her off and I'm
like they've literally beenforeshadowing it since the first
episode like heavily on the noseshe's like I'm going to make you
like happy or whatever even ifit kills me tragedies come in
threes basically Chelsea herwhole purpose at that point was

(03:26):
trying to make Rick happy And itwas honestly, and she's like,
oh, you know, we're a great lovestory.
But it ended up being a greatlove story, like Romeo and
Juliet style.
So what do you think?
We'll just kick off talkingabout Chelsea.

SPEAKER_02 (03:37):
Yeah.
So like I'm with you.
She had some dialogue early inthe season, maybe even episode
one.
I

SPEAKER_00 (03:45):
think it was the first episode.
And that

SPEAKER_02 (03:47):
was kind of foreshadowing that kind of had
it in my mind.
She was on my short list.
I'm a little surprised Rick aswell.

SPEAKER_00 (03:54):
Yeah, that surprised me a little bit that both of
them.
I

SPEAKER_02 (03:57):
kind of thought he would be the reason that she
died, which he was.
Which he was, yes.
But that he would have to livewith the consequences of that.
And he didn't.
And he didn't.
So that was surprising to me.

SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
Chloe, Greg, Gary's wife, whatever you want to call
her, was like, oh, you know,every time girls go for romance,
like something awful happens.
So she kind of foreshadowed.
That's another example.
There was a lot of

SPEAKER_02 (04:20):
foreshadowing for

SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
Chelsea, for sure.
I think that.
She was definitely...
Chelsea and Victoria were thebest characters for me this
season.
So it was kind of a bummer,obviously, to see.
But it made it honestly...
For the story that he wastelling, that made sense.
I definitely agree with you.
I thought Rick was going to haveto kind of have the consequences
of that, what happened.

(04:43):
So for everybody that's beenpaying attention to The White
Lotus, Rick was there.
He took her there specificallybecause he had a bone to pick
with the owner's husband who...
He was told by his mother on herdeathbed, killed his father.
Well, you and I have thought, Ithought like before we even met
the man, I was like, that'sgoing to be Rick's dad.
And every, I've seen some peoplesay, cause the, he comes back.

(05:08):
I don't know why Rick thought hecould walk in to the resort with
no consequences.
Like it was nothing.
I did like he and Chelsea'sreunion scene, but I was like, I
figured he would have come back.
I'm like, Hey, we got to go.
But he really wasn't thinking.

SPEAKER_02 (05:21):
That to me is either his character is an idiot or
kind of a plot hole.

SPEAKER_00 (05:27):
Or he...
wasn't as evolved from it as wewould like to think and he was I
mean true he did like get

SPEAKER_02 (05:35):
flustered by that guy immediately after seeing him
a second time at the hotel

SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
so they show up because they want to take a
picture with Jacqueline the TVstar and of course they're going
to point and look at Rick belike oh my gosh and I've seen
some people that are like if hewas his dad why didn't he just
tell them he more or less likehe didn't say directly but he
was like oh yeah I know your dadyour dad like basically like
your mom's a liar so hetriggered Rick with that.
He was like, your dad sucks.

(06:02):
Basically, he was callinghimself a terrible person.

SPEAKER_02 (06:04):
Could

SPEAKER_00 (06:05):
he have saved his life?
Because he died too, correct?
We

SPEAKER_02 (06:08):
assume.
He's an older guy who wasalready having health issues and
took two shots to the chest.
I would assume he probablydidn't make it.
I think if I had to get insideof the old man who turned out to
be Rick's father, it had to belike, this is going to hurt this
guy more knowing that Iabandoned him.
than if he just thinks I killedhis dad.

SPEAKER_00 (06:31):
You're giving him a lot of credit because I just
felt like the guy was kind of apiece of crap anyway and had
done a lot of shady things andwas basically like, hey, I suck.
I mean, obviously he was honestenough that he did tell the wife
because she was like, he is yourfather.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (06:44):
but self-preservation at some point,
right?
This escalated very quickly andyou've got to think it wouldn't
maybe have escalated to thepoint that it did if Rick knew
that was his actual father.

SPEAKER_00 (06:55):
Yeah, oh, I agree.
I think that if he knew Like, itwould have been just– I don't
know what direction they wouldhave gone in, but I don't think
there would have been, like, theviolence that there was.
That being said, while thisended up being, like, the most,
I say, cartoony death sequence,a lot of times I feel like The
White Lotus is rooted in, like,realism with human experiences.
I will say the way that whole,like, shooting scene went down

(07:17):
was a little, like, movievillain cartoony.
I'm not criticizing it.
I mean, we had similar things tothat in other shows.
even though that was like thebig action scene, I felt like
Rick's storyline was by far themost boring.
Well, next to gay doc, but Iwouldn't say like, and I love
Walton Goggins and I loveChelsea, but like at some point

(07:38):
I'm like, I just didn't careabout Rick and his daddy drama.
I'm like, show me the threefriends.
Show me the Ratliff family.
Can't get enough of them.
Show me, show it to me, Rachel.
Like, like just more Chelseacontent.
I just, I don't know.
Like, That ended up being, likeI said, the big playoff of the

(07:58):
action sequence, but I found hisstoryline the most.
I was like, eh.

SPEAKER_02 (08:03):
Sure.
I think I liked his journey alittle bit more than that,
especially as he intersectedwith what's-his-face's character
in Bangkok.

SPEAKER_00 (08:15):
Oh, Sam

SPEAKER_02 (08:16):
Rockwell.
Sam Rockwell.
Yeah, sorry.
His name just escaped me there.
I thought that was interesting.
Honestly, at the end of the day,Sam Rockwell is the one that
actually was able to changehimself versus Rick, who just
wasn't.

SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
But then Sam Rockwell went right back to old
habits, too.

SPEAKER_02 (08:30):
But at the end shot, there he is right back in the
Buddhist temple doing hismeditations again.
He's the one who's able to dealwith it.
Oh, I didn't even notice that hewas back in the Buddhist temple.
He was able to deal with itwhere Rick is just like he was
consumed with it.
And I think you're right.
I think he might have had somemomentarily clarity after the

(08:52):
first confrontation with the guywho turned out to be his dad But
he so quickly, when he saw himfor a second time, lost it.
Absolutely.
And that tells me that it wasjust a surface-level injury.
And he truly was a broken personwho was going to end that way
one

SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
way or the other.
So you think while Sam Rockwellkind of fell off the wagon a
little bit that he did revertback to...
Can we give it up for hislittle...
When he's trying to chase Rickdown in the hallway, I don't
know.
This had to be improvised,right?
He does this little roll

SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
on

SPEAKER_00 (09:20):
the floor.
And everyone's like, the WhiteLotus isn't funny.
I'm like, stuff like that isfunny.

SPEAKER_02 (09:25):
Yeah.
So...

SPEAKER_00 (09:28):
Tragic, tragic ending for our Chelsea and Rick.
And the bodies, the body that wefound in the water at the
beginning of the season, thatwas one of the security guards.
So we had the two securityguards that were shot.
And that kerfuffle, that's howour poor Chelsea gets shot.
And it was so sad.
At least she got her donutbefore she got shot.
She was like, will you get me adonut?

(09:49):
So then Rick runs over and getsher the donut while he's running
off.
And I love how she's runningafter him and she still took a
bite of it.

SPEAKER_02 (09:56):
It just is interesting to me that, I don't
know, it felt kind of like hercharacter for me didn't get
quite as much of the ending.
Even though she died, I feltlike she didn't get quite as
much of the ending as maybe Iwould have liked to have her.
She just kind of suddenly, she'sthere laying on the ground.
That's

SPEAKER_00 (10:15):
what happens when you take your life and you...
put it in the hands of anotherperson.
She was basically letting Rickdictate her decisions, her
choices.
So I think that was almost likesymbolism.

SPEAKER_02 (10:26):
Yeah.
But at the same time, she endsup, does have a lasting effect
on somebody from the show, onanother character.
And then we get to, so we getover to the Ratliff family.
Yes.
Which we kind of started talkingabout that at the beginning of
the show, but then got off toRick.
But to me, that moment was, ofthe pina coladas.

(10:49):
Was the most like.
Rah.
Of the entire.
Like.
Once we got to the end of theepisode.
Yeah.
And Rick was sitting therelooking at his.
Who he found out to be his dad.
I knew what was going to happen.
He was going to go take his gun.
He was going to shoot him.
Get in a shootout.
Yeah.
People were going to die.
Right.
I knew that that was going tohappen.
But honestly.
He.
Okay.
So the dad has finally decided.

(11:11):
After talking to every family.
Member in the Ratliff family.
That he's just going to kill allof them.
Except for one.

SPEAKER_00 (11:16):
Except for one.

SPEAKER_02 (11:17):
Because one of them gave him the answer that he
wanted.

SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
Well.
basically you gotta you'regetting way ahead of yourself I
know

SPEAKER_02 (11:22):
there's so much to unpack

SPEAKER_00 (11:23):
with this let's rewind rewind okay so back to
Saxon and Chelsea we'll go aheadand talk about them since
they're connected we've got Ifeel like Saxon ended up being
the character that honestlysurprised me the most do I think
he still has crappy ways yeahbut do I think that he wants to
try to have more purpose in lifeI think it was clear he does by

(11:46):
the end of that episode I thinkthe event between him and his
brother, his interactions withChelsea.
I think it actually made him doa little soul searching no one's
perfect he's still gonna I'msure behave in certain ways he
ended up honestly being like themost normal like of all the
siblings at the end which iscrazy to me but a lot of people

(12:07):
are like oh was he in love withChelsea I don't think so I think
at first she was like his whitewhale because she was rejecting
him turning him down it made himmore interested but then I think
he actually like she caught himout for better or worse correct
you're soulless and I think thatlike got to him a little bit and
then I watched an interview withAmy is there Amy Lou Wood the

(12:29):
girl that plays Chelsea and shewas like oh that you know she
still wants to be with Rick shedoesn't like Saxon in that way
but the reason why when she washelping him in the previous
episode and she kind of pulledback was that Saxon was actually
starting to see who she was andshe wasn't used to that and I
think it's clear that even afterhe sees chelsea reunite with

(12:49):
rick that he continues to readthe books that we do have some
character growth there what doyou think about saxon i truly
think that there is a little bitlike it's not some major
character he'll turn change buthe's trying to be different

SPEAKER_02 (13:04):
i think all three of the kids came away from this
with a So

SPEAKER_00 (13:13):
do you buy it that Saxon is wanting to have a
better purpose?
I

SPEAKER_02 (13:17):
buy that he is going to give it a shot.
Now, is it going to stick?
Who knows?
Yeah.
But I think what he's going tofind out when they get back to
North Carolina and the falloutof what's going on with his dad
and the company is going tomaybe– it's either going to push
him to become worse version ofhimself or it's going to push
him towards where Chelsea kindof tried to– position him

(13:40):
because he said I'm nothingwithout this job and I'm nothing
without you and she called himsoulless those two things have
really struck in me as thecounterpoints to who he is going
to be in the future is he goingto continue to be that soulless
person or is he going to try andmake something of himself and
we're never going to get to see

SPEAKER_00 (13:58):
it and that's the beauty of it write your own
ending so that brings us toSaxon and Lachlan now I've
always said and my therapistsays that too that I am an
extreme people pleaser I'm notthat big of a people pleaser
Lachlan took people pleasing tothe boss level do you buy it
that that I do think he haspeople pleasing tendencies but

(14:20):
are you still are you buyingthat that was the reason why he
chose to do the things he didwith his the service of his
brother in that moment thatdrunken pilled up evening on the
boat

SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
I buy that that is how he's reconciled it in his
mind

SPEAKER_00 (14:35):
that's a good answer I think that there is still a
lot that Lachlan needs to figureout.
One of the things that I– and Ifelt like Lachlan and Saxon's
interaction, Saxon was basicallylike, no, I'm not going to make
you a protein shake.
He's like, I know you worshipme, but you shouldn't worship
me.
Be your own man.
And I felt like Lachlan is justtrying– Try to be somebody for

(14:59):
all of his siblings and hisparents because he is, I do
think he is a people pleaser,but I think there's some deeper
seated stuff that's going on,which again, which we'll never
know.

SPEAKER_02 (15:09):
I think that conversation they had there
about the incident and knowinghow guys operate is the last
time they'll ever talk,

SPEAKER_00 (15:17):
speak

SPEAKER_02 (15:18):
of it.
It's gone.

SPEAKER_00 (15:19):
Have you seen now all the TikToks with Lachlan and
the, baby, I'm a giver.

SPEAKER_02 (15:26):
You sent me a couple.
does.
That was pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 (15:29):
So that brings us...
Oh, we'll circle back to Lachlanand Tim in a minute because
that's going to ram us back.
So that brings us to Lachlan andPiper.
No! So they stayed in a dirtymonastery with kids with no
purpose?
Buddhism! So we had the wholething where Lachlan's like,

(15:49):
maybe I'm going to stay too.
And you could see that Pipersort of made a face.
I thought it was because Piperrealized like...
It's no, I'm no longer special.
And I think that was part of it.
Like that when she heard Lachlansay that.
But I also think that, and youweren't sure at first, but I
think they kind of confirmed.

(16:11):
that Piper was trying so hard tobe special to break away from
her family, but I think she didget the ick.

SPEAKER_02 (16:18):
Yeah, no, I think when she started her monologue
about saying the reasons why shewas deciding not to go to the
monastery, I wasn't entirelysure she was being sincere, and
it wasn't just she was decidedthat because...
Lachlan was into it.
Suddenly she wasn't into it.
But by the end of thatmonologue, when she got

(16:38):
emotional about it, I was prettyclear that that was genuinely
her having the realization andrealization that, and, and I do
think genuinely having arealization that she needs that
luxury stuff that she's used toand she kind of hates herself
for it but at the same timeshe's also recognizes I can't do

(16:59):
without this stuff even if itmakes me sick that I can't do
without

SPEAKER_00 (17:02):
this stuff I feel like Lachlan was only going to
stay not just the peoplepleasing thing but because of
everything that had happened itwas an avoidance

SPEAKER_02 (17:11):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (17:11):
kind of thing going on with him like almost maybe he
might have actually benefitedfrom being at a place like that
again.
Very possible.
We'll never know.
I have to say that one of thethings that I like in shows is
when costuming, outfit, wardrobeis important and that was
absolutely reflected in Piperaccepting like you know I hate

(17:35):
that I'm just like this princessand I'm like you know what girl
I am a princess so hair flip.
What did Victoria say?
It would be offensive for us notto spend the money so that you

SPEAKER_01 (17:45):
enjoy

SPEAKER_00 (17:46):
it in that moment you see Timothy's face making
like oh gosh I'm gonna have tokill my daughter now to add her
to the kill list anyway back tothe costuming if you notice at
the start of the season Piperwas always in a very flowy white
yellow pastel type of colors andclothing like very kind of just

(18:06):
you know nothing nothing flashystill nice clothes but not very
simple and After that, she has adark blue two-piece outfit on.
You see her shopping to getjewelry with Victoria.
And then the next morning, shehas a maroon dress on, I think
with like pink shoes.
And then on the boat ride home,a very loud like kind of orange

(18:29):
floral print type of outfit.
And that was 100%.
an intentional clothing choicefor Piper I truly believe that
so it's little details like thatthat make me like shows like
this I know like certain stuffthat you search for with
cinematography from like acamera thing I look to that and
like clothing I'm always lookingat like the stylist what the

(18:49):
wardrobe people do and I reallyreally appreciated that and I
also can I just say too thatthat moment when Piper's like
crying and Victoria's likegiving Timothy the thumbs up
that took me out it was So good.
So that brings us to Timothyrealizing like, oh my gosh.

(19:09):
So we have– Timothy has one moreconversation with our people
pleaser Lachlan and he's like,could you live without– You
know, all the finer things inlife.
Could you live with nothing?
And Lachlan's like, yeah.
Do you think Lachlan said yesbecause he thought that's what
his dad wanted to hear?
Or do you really think Lachlanwas serious?

SPEAKER_02 (19:27):
I think he was serious because how would
Lachlan know what answer Tim waslooking for?

SPEAKER_00 (19:33):
That's true.

SPEAKER_02 (19:34):
In that moment, because he hasn't necessarily...
Remember, we've been seeingeverything Tim's going through,
and we've seen theseconversations

SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
from his...
None of the family is good atvibe-checking their daddy.
Yeah, from his

SPEAKER_02 (19:43):
perspective, but we haven't necessarily...
They never showed us Lachlanspecifically listening in on
these conversations he's beenhaving with the other family
members.
So I do believe that he wasn'treally putting much thought to
it.
It was kind of like anoffhanded, like, yeah, I
probably could.

SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
See, I feel like he kind of...
I can see that point of view,but I also think there was part
of it that he...
Even though he didn't know whathis dad was going through, why
is his dad asking him thisquestion?
So I think he was like, yeah,sure.
I think as a people pleaser, notto that level, but as a people
pleaser myself, I could seemyself being like, yeah, even
though I know that I would belike Piper and food's not even

(20:24):
organic.

SPEAKER_02 (20:25):
If you're taking it from a morality standpoint, the
answer to the question is yes.
If you want to be a good andpious person, you should be able
to answer yes to that question.
So maybe that's people pleasingfrom even a societal standpoint.

SPEAKER_00 (20:38):
So Lachlan's safe from Timothy's group kill list.

SPEAKER_02 (20:43):
He's going to make pina coladas for the family.
He's going to put the poisonfruit nuts into it.

SPEAKER_00 (20:48):
Which that finally came back into play.
We all knew it would.
They mentioned that don't eatthis fruit.
It's poisonous.
We've had the blender with Saxonmaking his drinks.
I think that was somethingcollectively from all the wild
theories out there, the onething everyone agreed on, this
is going to come into play.

SPEAKER_02 (21:02):
So of all the tension in all the season, the
scene where he's handing themout to everybody, is the most
tension, and it even gets worsewhen they actually start
drinking it.

SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
But hey, when they were doing their toast, Victoria
finally realized what countryshe was

SPEAKER_02 (21:17):
in.
To

SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
Thailand!

SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
And so, what?

SPEAKER_00 (21:21):
It was intense.
I was sweating.

SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
It's unclear to me how much you have to drink to
get sick, because as far as wecan tell, no one got sick

SPEAKER_00 (21:31):
with the amount

SPEAKER_02 (21:31):
that they got, except for Lachlan.

SPEAKER_00 (21:34):
Lachlan didn't get a pina colada.
Tim was like, you're not 21 yet.
Go get a Coke.
And I like the way he said it inthe Southern voice.
Go get a Coke because Bravoagain for their North Carolina
accents.
Love it.
I agree with you.
It was way more tense.
We knew what was going to happenwith Rick and the shooting.
We knew that.
Obviously, any scene that GaryGregg is in is going to be

(21:55):
tense.
That was just because it lastedso long.
It had the circle.
It panned to each family member.
I

SPEAKER_02 (22:01):
mean, each of them drank like multiple times before
Tim finally stopped and waslike, the coconut milk is bad
and starts grabbing the drinksand smacking them out of
people's hands.

SPEAKER_00 (22:11):
Well, it was...
One of those things where I dofeel like people kind of like
fact-checked the show a littlebit and like, oh, you would have
gotten way sicker.
But again, I'm just going to sayit's a show.
It's TV.
If you notice, I feel likeVictoria drank the most.
She kind of made a face.
Then she started to throw itback.
Piper took a little sip.
It really wasn't until Timothywas staring at Saxon, who was

(22:32):
about to take sip number two.
And he knocked it out of Saxon'shand and then told everybody
else to put it down.
The coconut milk is bad.
That's all I'm going to thinkabout now.
And I guess there's like somewhite lotus creamer.
And everyone's like, we're notgoing to think of this the same

SPEAKER_01 (22:45):
now.

SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
Definitely.
I feel like Jason Isaacs.
And Parker Posey both need Emmynoms.

SPEAKER_02 (22:52):
They were great.

SPEAKER_00 (22:53):
They were great.
Like Jason Isaacs, like I'm gladhe ended up not having a panic
attack.
That was nice.
But just my dude, like the scenewhere Piper was saying she
couldn't live at the monastery,you could just see his like
throat seizing.
So that brings us to the nextstep.
We have the– the coconut milk isbad.

(23:16):
We're not going to drink thestuff.
But he leaves the blender notfully cleaned out on the
counter.
Now, I have seen some peoplethat are like, why would Timothy
not wash it out?
Guys, they're rich.
I doubt the man has ever washeda dish a day in his life.
So at that point, you and Iknow, we're like, Lachlan's
going to be drinking out of thatblender.
Cue the next morning, and oldLachy, he's like, I'm going to

(23:40):
make my protein shake orwhatever.
By the way,

SPEAKER_02 (23:43):
yeah, and he chooses not to wash out the blender
before.
Now, I want to address thisfront and forward.
As someone who was at one pointa teenage boy, and anybody out
there who is a parent of teenageboys, because I've seen people
on the internet go, why would henot rinse the blender out before
he uses it?
And, again, I just want to saythe reason is teenage boy.

(24:05):
You don't need an explanation.
If you've been around him, youknow why he wouldn't do it.

SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
And there's other reasons you could say, too,
besides that.
I think that's the main one isthat maybe he thought Saxon had
already used it and was just notgoing to wash it out.
But I think the main thing is,like you said, teenage boy.
I mean, didn't you at one pointhave a coffee mug that you would
only wash like once a week as agrown man?

SPEAKER_02 (24:28):
Once a week?

SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
I don't know.
So he makes

SPEAKER_02 (24:34):
himself a little protein shake, has a couple
drinks of it out by the pool.

SPEAKER_00 (24:38):
And then gets sick.

SPEAKER_02 (24:40):
Gets real sick.

SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Puke.

SPEAKER_02 (24:41):
Sees God.

SPEAKER_00 (24:43):
We thought he was...
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (24:45):
glad

SPEAKER_00 (24:45):
that they didn't...
kill him off, but I thought hewas gone.
I was like, oh, crap.

SPEAKER_02 (24:51):
So the family goes to breakfast except for Tim, who
sleeps in.
Tim comes out and finds him.
It's unclear to me if Tim reallydid anything.
Well, I

SPEAKER_00 (24:58):
think he saw that Lockie had used, had made it.
Yeah, I don't think he wascalling for help, but then
Lachlan kind of woke up from itand puked some more.
So I don't know if he would havegotten help.
Was this at the same timeoccurring as all the bullets?
Were the other family memberseating just breakfast,
blissfully unaware?
Yeah, just blissfully

SPEAKER_02 (25:17):
unaware as they would be.
I think, to me, it seems veryclear that what actually
happened was Tim never usedenough to actually kill anybody,
but they just all would havegotten really sick like Lachlan
did.
Yeah.
It seems to me like you've gotto be a little bit more
concentrated to actually get itdone.
to kill you

SPEAKER_00 (25:33):
and I think that point was it wasn't where he
knocked the thing out ofSaxton's hand Timothy like I
think that point where he waslike crap I can't do this I
think it was the what changedhim be like you know what maybe
you will be okay was seeing hiskid actually almost die yeah the
one that wasn't gonna take itbecause we have their little
send-off they all get on theboat and they get their phones

(25:55):
back he's like hey Some stuffhappens.
Things are going to change.
And a lot of people are reallydisappointed that we didn't get
to see the reactions.
I'm not.
I'm fine with it.
We never were going to get tosee it.
I never thought we were going toget to see it.
If you want to see what areaction is like to losing a lot
of money, may I direct you toSchitt's Creek?

SPEAKER_02 (26:15):
You like Victoria, you're going to absolutely love
Moira Rose.

SPEAKER_01 (26:19):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (26:20):
The White Lotus is you meet your characters on the
boat to the resort, and you saygoodbye to your characters on
the boat leaving the resort, andthat's it.
You're not getting anythingelse.

SPEAKER_00 (26:29):
Sometimes you get the through characters, like we
got to see what Belinda was upto.
Gary Gregg has been a throughcharacter.
So let's go ahead and talk aboutBelinda.
Basically, she has come fullcircle.
So we had on the last episode,Gary Gregg was like, hey, I'm
going to give you this money.
I heard you want to start abusiness.
Basically, hush money.
Like, don't say what I'm doing.
And she's like, I can't acceptthis.

(26:51):
That's blood money.
And her son, I mean, her sonwasn't wrong.
He was like...
You're going to have to takethis money or he'll kill you
either way.
So he wasn't incorrect.
But then her son's like, let'ssee what we can get out of him.
And he asked her, how much didhe ask for?
Like$5 million?

SPEAKER_02 (27:07):
Yeah.
So the original offer was$100,000.
And then he countered with$5million.

SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
Yeah.
And Greg Gary gave it to her.
Yep.
And then she decided, I'm notgoing to open my spa.
I'm just going to enjoy sometime being rich.
So she had hooked up with the, Idon't remember his name, the guy
that.

SPEAKER_02 (27:22):
Yeah, we didn't get a ton of him.
He was one of the othermasseurs.
And

SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
they had talked about opening up a spa together.
She literally said the samething that Tanya said to her in
season one.
Like, my circumstances havechanged.
And that is a full circle momentthat even money can change the
best of us.
Those of us with goodintentions.
That being said...
I feel like you and I haveclocked Belinda from like the
get like I never thought she wasa bad person but I do think she

(27:49):
never liked Tanya she was shewas using Tanya too in season
one so the people that act likeBelinda was like some special
angelic creature that did nowrong I thought she had an
entitlement that Tanya needed tohelp her and like I mean, what
Tanya did to her was crappy.
She had promised her she wasgoing to do this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (28:06):
Leading somebody on, yes.
But allowing yourself to be ledon by some flaky, clearly

SPEAKER_00 (28:11):
flaky person.
And feel like you were owed thatmoney, too.

SPEAKER_02 (28:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:14):
I don't know.
I never thought Belinda wasperfect, so I think it makes
perfect sense.
Do you think we'll see the newBelinda, the guy that she did
the same to?
No, I don't

SPEAKER_02 (28:24):
think we'll see any more of him.
I don't know either.
It left me, and we had thisconversation off air, and I
think you...
don't necessarily agree with me.
It actually left Gary Gregg in abetter light for me.
I

SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
have seen some people say that and agree with
you online.

SPEAKER_02 (28:39):
Because he could have, first of all, just killed
her straight up without evenoffering hush money.

SPEAKER_00 (28:46):
The murderer didn't kill somebody! Yay! And when
they

SPEAKER_02 (28:49):
came back and put it in his face, hey, instead of
$100,000, give us$5 million.
He could have just killed them.
He had them in his house.
It seems to me like his intentwas never to kill anybody.
He just wants to live the lifethat he has.

SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
I think he is still a bad, slimy person.
I'm not

SPEAKER_02 (29:07):
saying he's not.

SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
I know what you're saying, but I think that was a
last resort thing.
I don't want to kill thesepeople because that's going to
draw attention, and then I'mgoing to have to go somewhere
else.
I've seen some people go as faras saying, I know you're not
saying this, is that maybe hegot redemption.

SPEAKER_02 (29:22):
No,

SPEAKER_00 (29:23):
no, no.
Absolutely no redemption.
Looks like

SPEAKER_02 (29:26):
he's going to get that threesome, though.

SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
yeah will we see him again in the future I don't know
he seems to be the one throughthe through character and I've
seen some other people that saythat they were so disappointed
that he didn't play a major rolein like the events that went
down he was never going to hewas just there as he's never
played a

SPEAKER_02 (29:45):
major role in any of any of the seasons he's always
just been there on the sidelines

SPEAKER_00 (29:49):
yeah being creepy

SPEAKER_02 (29:50):
um so

SPEAKER_00 (29:51):
how much you want to bet I can throw a football over
the mountains coach would haveput me in the fourth quarter
we've been state no

SPEAKER_02 (29:58):
doubt

SPEAKER_00 (29:59):
in my mind no doubt in my mind so that brains is
thin let's go to the females thetrio that ended exactly the way
i thought it was going to thatthey were just going to end up
friends there wasn't going to besome big epiphany life goes on
and can i say mike whiteabsolutely nailed female

(30:19):
friendship dynamics they alltalk crap on each other they all
have their flaws and They've alldone crappy things.
But at the end of the day, I dotruly believe that there is love
there.
You can love people and stillhave toxic dynamics.
And I think that Carrie Coon,another wonderful actress, I
feel like she knocked it out ofthe park as Laurie.
They were all saying what theyliked about the trip.

(30:41):
And Laurie's realization at theend in her little monologue, I
felt like that was reallyheartfelt.
And I felt like that...
Jacqueline and Kate wereactually like, oh, wow, you
know, too.
And now they have the addedtrauma that they witnessed the
shooting.
So that's definitely going tokeep them as friends.
I mean, did you think I neverthought the friendship I thought
I thought their story was goingto end exactly how it did.

(31:01):
They were going to move on.
What how did you think that was?
No, that

SPEAKER_02 (31:04):
went that went very, very much like I thought at the
beginning and it played out theend of this was going to be a
situation of these friends.
They're all fake with eachother.
They're going to come in.
They're going to like eachother.
They're going to go through somecrap.
They're going to get mad at eachother.
And then before they leave,they're going to make makeup,
whether it's real or false.
And I think this was a littlebit more of a genuine makeup.

(31:25):
And I think that theirrelationship going forward is
going to be a little bit moregenuine than when we found them.
I do think there was growth thattook place.

SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
They're still going to talk about each other.
But they're

SPEAKER_02 (31:34):
still going to talk shit on each other.
And that's just how it goes.

SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
You said a bad word.

SPEAKER_02 (31:39):
I'll put me in jail.

SPEAKER_00 (31:41):
Well, I do like how everyone's like, not Carrie
Coon, Lori told Jacqueline thather face was pretty and
Jacqueline just lit up.
Now, I got to say, I'm going toaddress this because I've taken
some crap.
Some other people in line havetaken some crap.
What Jacqueline did was a crappyfriendship thing, trying to have

(32:02):
the power, wanting to be likethe hot one.
it's just the whole dynamics ofit I'm never I didn't say that
she's a great person when I saidI kind of agreed with what she
was saying about Laurie I standby that that was the previous
episode she was like at somepoint you gotta look when you're
a you know you're the victim ofyour own decision making and I
felt like that was illustratedlike that Laurie while we love

(32:25):
her as a character she madehorrible decisions in an episode
she went off with those guys sheaccepted drinks from them not
knowing where they came from andshe went to his apartment like
she She could have.
And I think Lori kind ofrealized like, oh, crap, I do.
I am the victim of my baddecisions.
So I would like to say that,like everyone back off that.

(32:46):
There you go.
And that brings us to the otherpoint.
The robbery ended up being a bigfat nothing burger for the most
part.
It was never about the robbery,y'all.
It was never about it.

SPEAKER_02 (32:56):
If anything, all the robbery was was to serve the
character of Gatok.

SPEAKER_00 (33:01):
Was that his name, Gatok?
Are we saying it right?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (33:03):
I think so.

SPEAKER_00 (33:04):
If not, apologies.
And

SPEAKER_02 (33:05):
his growth.

SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
Yeah, the little devil and angel.
I say growth in air quotes,yeah.
Everyone's like, what was thepoint of Mook?
The point of Mook was to, again,she was kind of like the...
almost the devil in a way.
Maybe she thinks she's doinggood, but she basically told
him, I'm not interested ifyou're not ambitious or
something.
Do you think she genuinely likeshim or likes the security that

(33:29):
he could provide her in a betterjob?

SPEAKER_02 (33:31):
I don't think that she would be hanging around him
and pushing him to be ambitiousif she wasn't into him a little
bit.
But ultimately, she's seekingthat security that comes along
with somebody who can be a wageearner and That's what he did.
And that's why she was pushinghim.

SPEAKER_00 (33:49):
I think that she's still going to break his heart
ultimately.
And was it worth it to sacrificeyour values and your integrity?
Because at the end of the day,the world's worst security guard
decided, I'm going to land methe girl and land me the job.
And he did.
And he did.
Turned around, fired that gun.

SPEAKER_01 (34:08):
Shot

SPEAKER_00 (34:08):
Rick.
Shot Rick, and he gets to be thesecurity guard for the owner of
the hotel.
We see him with the shades.
I hope it was worth it forboring old Mook.
A lot of people loved hercharacter or thought she was
really boring.
I have nothing against theactress, but, I mean, I'm not
going to say Mook was a boringcharacter, but she was a boring
person on screen.

(34:29):
Like, she was just there toserve his storyline.
And I think like you and I havethis conversation.
I feel like it was intentionalto put that actress in there
because she is very famous inother countries.
And that was to get some eyes onthe show.
But her character was nevermeant to be anything more than a
boring plot for him.
The world's worst securityguard.
I

SPEAKER_02 (34:48):
would be interested if like we ever get to the White
Lotus season eight or nine orsomething like that.
And they pop in.
going to as now the new ownersof the White Lotus because
they've somehow weaseled theirway into that whole thing.
That would be pretty funny.

SPEAKER_00 (35:07):
I don't know.
It's just fine.
Was it worth it for him to doit?
Because he was even like, I'mjust such a passive person.
We'll have to see.
We'll have to see.
We probably never will see.
Choose your own adventure.

SPEAKER_01 (35:18):
Am

SPEAKER_00 (35:20):
I leaving anything out?
Oh, Fabian.
Now, in the past two seasons,the hotel managers have had much
more of a role He didn't.
Now, hardly anyone wanted tohear him sing.
Did he get shot or did he justfall into the water?
I

SPEAKER_02 (35:34):
think he just fell in the water.

SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
When all that went down.

SPEAKER_02 (35:37):
Yeah, I just think he fell in the water.
I don't know why everybodyexpects each season to be the
same formula.
I know, I'm glad it's not.
It shouldn't be that way.
If there wasn't a role for themanager of the hotel, a major
role this season, then therewasn't a role for him.
So I don't have a problem withthat either.
There were plenty of interestingcharacters this season to watch

(35:57):
go through their journeys, and Ididn't need the manager
specifically.

SPEAKER_00 (36:00):
I've seen some people that are like, oh, why
didn't the cops show up?
What was going on?
I was like, we were never goingto see all the after effects of
that.

UNKNOWN (36:06):
No, no.

SPEAKER_00 (36:06):
Like, would I have liked to have seen Saxon's
reaction to everything?
Yeah, but they...

SPEAKER_02 (36:12):
Hey, listen, for all we know, he never finds out what
happens to Chelsea.
Because they're going to keepthat stuff under lock and key
anyways.
And, you know, names aren'tgoing to get thrown about

SPEAKER_01 (36:22):
in

SPEAKER_02 (36:24):
that manner.
Especially, you know, in thatcountry where the police are
going to come in.
They're not going to speak thesame language anymore.
So even if they knew somethingwent down and saw cops, they're
not necessarily going to knowanything that happened.

SPEAKER_00 (36:35):
One of the best images that I saw of the closing
was the kids before the show andafter the show.
We had Piper with the headphoneson.
We had Saxon with thesunglasses.
And then we kind of had Lachlan.
You see Piper, no shades.
And then we've got Lachlan withthe sunglasses on, kind of like
almost like speak no evil, seeno evil.

(36:56):
And then we've got Saxon withthe book.
Yep.
Yeah.
And it's almost like, rolereversal if you will for some of
them and then I did did you readabout the scene that was cut
about Piper and I think I'veread about like

SPEAKER_02 (37:12):
three scenes that have been cut at this point

SPEAKER_00 (37:14):
I guess like Piper and Belinda's son did hook up
but they cut the scene entirelylike because she decided after
she had the epiphany about whoshe was that maybe Saxon was
right and she should like loseher virginity I think unless we
had another episode it was asmart choice creatively to cut
that scene that would have beenjust too much the finale episode
was already

SPEAKER_02 (37:34):
way longer than all the other episodes anyways so
yeah i think that was probably agood cut to make there

SPEAKER_00 (37:40):
anyhow i i like the finale i thought it was great
very well done was itpredictable in places sure but
for everybody that expected allthese insane things to happen i
feel like you're just not likeGo back and watch the other
seasons, I guess.
How would you rank the seasons?
I was

SPEAKER_02 (38:00):
about to ask you the same question.
Rank them.

SPEAKER_00 (38:02):
I'm still going to go with this is a very unpopular
opinion.
But there's something about thecreativity and I like
storytelling.
I didn't find it boring.
I like the slow burn.
Season one for me still ranks astop.
I'm going to throw another.
I'm going to put season three inmy two slot.
And then I didn't again, I didnot dislike season two, but it's

(38:24):
the weakest of the threeseasons.
So I go one, three, two.

SPEAKER_02 (38:28):
That's my order as well.

SPEAKER_00 (38:30):
Yeah.
All right.
Well, you know, he might havedied on the show, but Walton
Goggins lives on as Baby Billy.
Baby Billy Freeman for theRighteous Gemstones.
So we couldn't...
We actually did watch theepisode 5 of the Righteous
Gemstones because when we hadsuch a heavy White Lotus finale,
we had to decompress with ourgemstones.

(38:54):
So...
kick us off with what was goingon there and some of your
thoughts and then I'll give youmine.

SPEAKER_02 (38:59):
This episode was kind of all over the place for
me.
They really were all over theplace.
Baby Billy and his teen justshow idea.

SPEAKER_00 (39:09):
Taking a line of drugs.

SPEAKER_02 (39:11):
Taking a line of coke.
I'm not exactly sure wherethey're going here with his
story this season.
I thought at first maybe hewould be like kind of a foil
similar to how he was in seasonone but I'm starting to kind of
slowly back off that ideabecause at first I had thought
maybe he's through Lori

SPEAKER_00 (39:26):
their

SPEAKER_02 (39:27):
direction

SPEAKER_00 (39:28):
she contacted him

SPEAKER_02 (39:28):
but she contacted him we find out so I'm not sure
that's exactly what's going onso he's trying he just baby
Billy wants to be the center ofattention yeah

SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
he he's never satisfied he wants the next the
next bit of dopamine if you willyeah he wants the attention he
wants the money he even after hegets the money he wants it's not
even just the money he wants theattention he wants the fame and
I feel like he did live eventhough he loved Amy Lee he was
he wasn't Like, she was the one.
Yeah.
He was always in her shadow, andI feel like nothing is good

(39:59):
enough for him, and I'm not surewe're going to get resolution
for him.
Like, sometimes you just don'tfor characters like that.

SPEAKER_02 (40:04):
The only thing I can think of is, like, I hate to see
Walton Goggins have to do thistwo shows in a row, but, like, a
70-year-old doing lines ofcocaine doesn't lead me to
believe he's long for thisworld.

SPEAKER_00 (40:18):
But don't you want to watch Teen Jesus?
Teen Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 (40:23):
Um...
So what's going on in the restof them?
I mean, they're all kind ofgoing through their own
individual struggles.

SPEAKER_00 (40:31):
Let's talk about the sad part first.

SPEAKER_02 (40:33):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (40:34):
The Kelvin thing.
He's up for top cross followingman of the year.
And Jesse did give him some crapon that.
But I think at the end of theday, after he watched Kelvin on
TV, being talked about that, youcould see Jesse turn off the TV,
and I think he felt sadness.
So we'll back it up.
I do think the reason why Kelvinwas nominated for that, I agree,

(40:57):
was they were trying to checkoff a box.

SPEAKER_01 (41:00):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (41:02):
And...
I knew, and Calvin has beenacting just like so, you know, I
don't know, like I'm better thanthe rest of my family because
I'm nominated for this.
I still hated to see whathappened on that TV broadcast.

SPEAKER_02 (41:13):
Yeah, that was terrible.

SPEAKER_00 (41:14):
It kind of came into play.
He got called out for hissexuality.
And while I say I think that'swhy they were nominated, I think
people like that should benominated.
And the delivery of the kind ofthe foil, the family foil from,
I don't even know the guy'sname.

SPEAKER_02 (41:29):
Simpkins.

SPEAKER_00 (41:30):
Simpkins.

UNKNOWN (41:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:31):
basically said so many hateful things to him i was
like oh you know you're you'reinterpreting the bible that's
the bible says it's wrong andwatching just kelvin just kind
of like he wasn't

SPEAKER_02 (41:44):
ready for somebody to go after him like

SPEAKER_00 (41:46):
that it was sad and i really hope that jesse has his
back in the next episode umYeah, I was watching poor Keef
tear up.
It was so sad.

SPEAKER_02 (41:57):
BJ's still in his wheelchair.

SPEAKER_00 (42:00):
They have Dr.
Watson now, though.

SPEAKER_02 (42:01):
Dr.
Watson.
Something is creepy about thismonkey.

SPEAKER_00 (42:06):
Well, it was Amber that she's volunteering for
animals, like service animalsthat help people.
So she brought the monkey over.
Do you think it's just creepy?
No, no.

SPEAKER_02 (42:16):
Here's what I think is going to happen.
I think that the monkey is goingto form a bond with BJ and
eventually is going to go afterJudy Lee.
I think that's what's happening.
I think that is exactly wherethey're going.
Because that last scene when themonkey was watching...
That's just to me, that was ajealousy look that the monkey
actor

SPEAKER_00 (42:34):
was giving.
That's a good, that's a goodlike little storyline there.
So

SPEAKER_02 (42:38):
she's going to have to fight that monkey is what I'm
saying.

SPEAKER_00 (42:41):
Scorched earth.
Can't with her.
I really liked that when she'slike, Hey, Dr.
Watson, get me a, what did she,I don't know what she said.
Some flavor of black cherry,

SPEAKER_02 (42:51):
white

SPEAKER_00 (42:51):
claw.
The monkey brings it back.
And I was like, well, that's notblack cherry.
And they did references.
She's like, stop like the flavorass, but look at this.

SPEAKER_02 (42:58):
But did it not bring her the right flavor because it
didn't know the difference.
or because it doesn't like Judyand it likes BJ better?

SPEAKER_00 (43:04):
I don't know.
So let's go over then to Mr.
Eli and Miss Lori.
The kids are still very unhappyabout it.
And she's basically likethreatening to be their evil
stepmother.
And then we find out thatJesse's like little squad of
goons finds out this tea ownerthat a bunch of her
ex-boyfriends have gone missingor died or something.

(43:25):
I still think that's all a redherring.
I think I do not think Miss Loriis bad.
I think her son is bad.
Stifler.
You don't bring Stifler in.
But

SPEAKER_02 (43:34):
by the end of this episode, they're making us think
it's going to be anex-boyfriend.
And that ex-boyfriend better beNick

SPEAKER_00 (43:42):
Offerman.
See, I think that her son,Stifler, is up to no good.
I think ultimately he's theproblem.
I think she's the ultimatebaddie behind it all.
I just think that...
they wouldn't do Eli dirty likethat by giving him somebody
which is...
I agree.
And I think it's the classic redherring.
And you bring, you know, MeganMullally can...

(44:03):
She can come off like bratty.
And I think she knows...
I think the reason why she'ssaying, like, hey, I could be...
Like, she knows how to go...
She's toe-to-toe with thesekids.
She's basically, in my opinion,almost like an aunt to them.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (44:16):
she

SPEAKER_00 (44:16):
knows them.
And she knows how to talk tothem.
She knows that Julie Lee's fullof it.
She's not going to smack her inthe throat like Eli's sister.
But I think it'd be verypredictable for her to actually
be the villain.
But I think her son is up to nogood, ultimately.
Stifler, man.
What's his name on the show?
Corey?
I

SPEAKER_02 (44:35):
don't know.
Why would I know?

SPEAKER_00 (44:38):
I don't know, we're so bad with names here, but I
thought the episode was funnylast night in a normal, like,
funny tone, but I was just so,it was so sad, everything with
Kelvin, that I'm just, like, itwasn't the ha-ha release I was
looking for post-White Lotus, ifI'm being honest.
It's

SPEAKER_02 (44:54):
a bummer because as much as this show does satirize,
like, real-life things, that'sthe one that kind of, like, is
less funny to see satirized thansome of the other stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (45:07):
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (45:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:09):
Anything else you want to say about gemstones?

SPEAKER_02 (45:12):
Do we remember how many episodes we're getting?
Are we about halfway

SPEAKER_00 (45:14):
through?
I think we're getting eight ornine.
Oh, so we're

SPEAKER_02 (45:17):
more than halfway through.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (45:19):
Yeah.
And they always do an...
Don't they always do aninterlude episode?
Well, we don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
Since we got a prelude episode this season, do
we know if we're getting a fullinterlude episode?

SPEAKER_00 (45:29):
I have no clue, but I'm excited.
Even though it was a little bitof a bummer, I still obviously
laughed.
I'm sure they'll find a way topull it together.
We'll have to see.
So...
Anything else you want to say?
Nope.
About them gemstones?
Well, speaking with our HBO Max,or Max, as they call it.
HBO Max has been the

SPEAKER_02 (45:49):
place we've been watching TV lately.

SPEAKER_00 (45:50):
Yeah.
So when I cheated on Daniel onmy snow day and watched all of
Hacks Season 1, I said, Hackscould be a contender for my best
thing going.
You watched some episodes hereand there, but you didn't really
know the arc of the characters.
But you have started watchingHacks.

SPEAKER_02 (46:08):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (46:09):
Which returns with two episodes on...
I believe it's Thursday, April10th?
I believe so, yes.
We're getting two episodes, andthen we'll have the weekly
release format.
So now that you're starting toknow the characters, what do you
think so far about Hacks?

SPEAKER_02 (46:22):
You know, it's good.
It's funny.
Better than fine.
It's better than fine.
I enjoy it.
I'll keep watching it,certainly.
I called the one guy in the oneepisode jumping out of the
window at the hotel.

SPEAKER_00 (46:34):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (46:36):
You were there trying

SPEAKER_00 (46:37):
to convince me that wasn't going to happen.
You were like, I'm notinterested in her with this guy,
and I was like, well, don't gettoo attached I did give you a
hint yeah so you're almost youcan see though the episodes are
short so you can see how easy itwas for me to watch season one
of one day a snow day where Ihad nothing to do

SPEAKER_02 (46:51):
over the weekend we got like what four or five
episodes I think yeah I thinkfive so we're more than halfway
through season one Can

SPEAKER_00 (46:59):
you see why this show's winning awards?

SPEAKER_02 (47:01):
Yeah, it's very good.

SPEAKER_00 (47:02):
I think you and I are always going to be a little
bit different with our bestthing going.
While I agree Severance isphenomenal, at the end of the
day, I'm just the type of...
I'm such an intense personanyway that I need a little bit
of a laughter.
So I'm always going to go lean alittle more towards funny, I
think, than you, ultimately.
Even though I respect the art ofSeverance, I'm just...

(47:23):
I like something.
And yes, I am one of the peoplethat find the bear funny.
Yeah.
It's like everyone alwayscriticizes the bear.
Didn't you have a show noteabout that, by the way?
I don't know.
What were we watching where theycaught off the bear?

SPEAKER_02 (47:35):
I do.
I do.
I do.
I do.
I

SPEAKER_00 (47:37):
don't know what context this is in, though.

SPEAKER_02 (47:41):
Ghosts, actually.
We'll get to that.
Okay.
All right.
We'll talk about that here in asecond.

SPEAKER_00 (47:45):
We'll get to that here in a minute.
But yeah, I'm glad you'rewatching Hacks.
It's not bothering me at all torewatch it.
In fact, I rewatch it.
My first watching, Ava reallyannoyed me a lot in the
beginning with her attitude.
I mean, I can see that.
And now, because I love Ava, nowshe doesn't bug me.
Does she bug you?
Not

SPEAKER_02 (48:03):
particularly, but I know those people.
I've been one of those people.

SPEAKER_00 (48:08):
Nice.
Well, that brings us to our nextthing.
We are now caught up on Ghosts.
When you start to exhaust all ofthe television, we do what we do
best with Ghosts.
We had, what, at least fiveepisodes.

SPEAKER_02 (48:19):
Yeah, five or six, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 (48:21):
I don't think we had watched since the Christmas
episode, so we were able to getall caught up with Ghosts.
I think Ghosts is the perfectshow to do that for.
I don't love watching it in theweek release, not that it's not
funny, but it's such a nice,funny show.
The acting is good.
I

SPEAKER_02 (48:38):
almost can't watch a sitcom.

SPEAKER_00 (48:41):
In weekly release.
Weekly release at

SPEAKER_02 (48:43):
this point.
Like I need at least three, fourepisodes because they're so
short.
Especially like Ghost is aactual traditional sitcom that
airs on TV, which means it has acommercial breaks, which means
it's only like a 21 minuteepisode.
And I just, I need more than 21minutes if I'm going to sit
down.

SPEAKER_00 (49:01):
It was fun.
And be invested.
Caught up with it.
And I liked getting caught upwith the episodes.
I will say this about Ghosts.
If you can get through thehorror that is the Paramount
Plus app, I would recommend youget on there and watch it.
I love the...
You're getting older with theshtick, but I love the shtick
that Jay can't see the ghosts.
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (49:20):
getting a little...

SPEAKER_00 (49:20):
It's getting a little old.
One of my favorite episodes thatwe rewatched was, or not
rewatched, that we got caught upwith was Hedy realizes that
she's Irish in a previousepisode, but somehow that gives
her her ghost power that she canbe visible to everybody on St.
Patrick's Day.
And since she's like thetraditional ghost, it fits that
she would have a traditionalpower that people could see her.

(49:42):
And I love that Jay...
like saw her and that like theyhad a guest that saw her.
I thought that was a greatepisode.
Probably my favorite of the onesthat we had watched.
What do you think?
You made a comment aboutFlower's personality.
She

SPEAKER_02 (49:59):
seems meaner since she came back from being in the
well.
And I don't know if that iswriting towards just they needed
like the storylines of likeSasapi and some of the other
characters.
They just need that kind ofcharacter around.
Or if there's something elsegoing on.
Because let's not forget thatshe met that weird pilgrim ghost
down in the well.

(50:20):
And we don't know...
Supposedly she left.
But remember, we don't know whatall these ghosts' powers

SPEAKER_00 (50:27):
are.
I think you're reaching a littlebit like that.
Remember, we were convinced thatJay was going to die in season
one.
It's not that show.
I know.
Because he was eating Oreos andbad food all the time.
We're like, oh my gosh, Jay'sgoing to have a heart attack.
We went real dark.
I think I do agree with you alittle bit, though, with Flower.
At first, I thought she was justragging on Sass because he's
like a 500-year-old virgin orsomething.

(50:49):
But then when she was kind of,she kind of made the mean
comment to Sam.
So I do see what you're saying alittle bit but I think you might
be reading into it too much buthey if you end up being right

SPEAKER_02 (50:59):
yeah it would be one thing if she was a mean girl
hippie right throughout theentirety of the show but we're
in season four and this is thefirst time I'm picking up this
And so just something seems off.
Maybe they changed the writer orsomething.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (51:14):
All right.
So what was the note that we hadabout the bear?

SPEAKER_02 (51:17):
The note was just, it's like the bear, but a
comedy.

SPEAKER_00 (51:20):
Oh, they were talking about Ratatouille.

SPEAKER_02 (51:22):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (51:23):
yeah, yeah.
Oh, Jay getting ready for therestaurant opening.
Okay.
And they accidentally, Flowerthought the world was going to
end because of her cult saidthat.
So she brings the cholera pitup, ghost up, and their power is
that they can give peoplecholera for 24 hours.
So they had to, like...
His whole staff had cholera, sothe other, like Sam and people,
had to work on the food, andthey had to tell them what to

(51:47):
put in there, right?
Is that how it was?
Yeah.
And that's where we got the

SPEAKER_02 (51:50):
joke.
But again, let me say, her ghostpower is to run through people
and get them high.

SPEAKER_00 (51:56):
Why

SPEAKER_02 (51:56):
did she need the cholera ghost to screw up the
restaurant?
She could have just run throughthem

SPEAKER_00 (52:00):
all and got them all high.
Probably because she's forgetfuland she forgot her own ghost

SPEAKER_02 (52:03):
power.
I guess.
There's something off aboutFlower and I'm suspicious.
You just love Flower.
But I'm probably reading toomuch into it because it's not
that kind of show.
This show's not that deep.

SPEAKER_00 (52:12):
I really want Isaac and his British ghost boyfriend
to get back together.
We had a new ghost temporarily.
The stripper guy.
The stripper ghost.
But then his power is that hecan fly off and go away.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:26):
And we met another traveling ghost.

SPEAKER_00 (52:29):
Yes, and I liked her.
She was like a, what, like a20s, 30s writer?

SPEAKER_02 (52:33):
Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 (52:35):
What was it?
Sam was pitching her like ascript and she's like, oh, we'll
call it Polar Opposites for likea Hallmark movie.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, Iwould totally watch that.
Absolutely.
So, yeah, caught up with ghosts.
We are...
finishing we are one episodefrom being caught up with Abbott
Elementary and I think at thispoint we're just going to talk

(52:57):
about Abbott when the seasonends and Suits LA those of you
that are wondering I think atthis point we're going to let
Suits LA stack a little bit itdoesn't bode well for the future
of the show for us that we havejust zero interest to even watch
the next couple episodes thatHarvey shows up in eventually we
will but I think we'll finishthe season we're just going to

(53:18):
let it stack for a little bit

SPEAKER_02 (53:21):
If we get through the Harvey arc coming up and
it's still not whole andHarvey's gone again and it's no
motivation, I might dip.

SPEAKER_00 (53:29):
You might dip.
You're not going to finish itout.
All right.
Well, speaking of finishingshows, what show did I finally
finish?
20 plus year old show.

SPEAKER_02 (53:39):
Desperate Housewives.

SPEAKER_00 (53:40):
I did.
And you know what, Daniel?
I'm like so close to justrestarting season one because
oddly enough, I could see thisdark comedy as being a comfort
show to me.

SPEAKER_01 (53:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (53:51):
I enjoyed it I found the finale to be quite
satisfying and I liked the scenewith all the ghosts on Wisteria
Lane and

SPEAKER_02 (53:59):
you're

SPEAKER_00 (54:01):
like this is weird

SPEAKER_02 (54:01):
it was

SPEAKER_00 (54:02):
weird that they had like George there and like some
of the mean ghosts

SPEAKER_02 (54:06):
that was not just weird that was a little like
sinister like

SPEAKER_00 (54:09):
if you die

SPEAKER_02 (54:11):
on Wisteria Lane your soul is trapped here
forever

SPEAKER_00 (54:15):
it's a dark comedy I agree seeing George was a little
weird and some of the weirdghosts but I was like ooh Carl
cause Susan's ex Carl is superhot I like how you are you were
like super confused with myreaction to Tom and Lynette
getting back together in the endbecause they went through their
separation and I always rag onTom but then I'm crying at them

(54:35):
getting back together it'sbecause I like at the end of the
day I still want Lynette to behappy and it was a beautiful
shared moment between the two ofthem about things that matter in
life but then literally they gotback together in the episode
before the finale and then likehe was back to ticking me off
again in the finale Tom Scavo ohmy gosh such a fresh character

(54:57):
man child he'd probably be myleast favorite character Gabby
and Carlos ended up being myfavorite couple I felt like all
the endings worked the onlything that I'm not real thrilled
about and I knew going intoseason one because I had
remembered reading about thislike You know how you used to
read magazines at a grocerystore?

SPEAKER_01 (55:16):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (55:17):
Okay, well, I would always see them.
I knew that Mike...
Spoiler alert for a20-plus-year-old show.
I know that Mike died.
I didn't know how he died.
I don't think that was necessaryfor him to die.
But if you're thinking aboutSusan's ending, basically a lot
of things was always like thatSusan always needed a man.
And she kind of has her nextpurpose.

(55:37):
She's going to be a grandmother.
She's going to leave WisteriaLane, leave her friends, go off
with Julie.
And she said, you know, neversay never.
I think there's a chance thatSusan would move on with her
life.
But I felt like that was just sounnecessary because I assumed
when I knew that Mike was goingto die that maybe the actor
wanted to leave the show.
No, they just killed him off.
Yeah, I was going to say, why

SPEAKER_02 (55:55):
would you leave the show with, what, two

SPEAKER_00 (55:57):
episodes left?
Yeah, it was just sort of silly.
I thought Brie's ending feltvery rushed.
She ended up with Scott Bakula,who you talked a lot about
during, what was it, OnlyMurders in the Building.

SPEAKER_01 (56:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:09):
Well, guess what?
Scott Bakula ended up beingendgame for Brie Vandekamp.
Gabby being a personal shopperand finding success from that,
and Carlos being the supporter,I thought that was really great
in that they really came so farwith their story.
I really enjoyed it.
I would 10 to 10.
I would watch DesperateHousewives again, 100%.

(56:30):
My biggest complaint is theScavo Children's Ages.
It was never consistent, andthat really drove me nuts.
Well, they did

SPEAKER_02 (56:38):
the time jump midway through, but then they never
seemed to understand.
They seemed to forget itconveniently whenever they
needed to forget that there wasa five-year time.

SPEAKER_00 (56:47):
The Porter Scavo being Julie, Susan's daughter's
baby daddy, and Julie used tobabysit him.
like at the end of the day theywere probably only what like six
years apart in age five sixyears it really wasn't as big as
what it seemed so whatever mybiggest beef was Parker was
always showed to be like oneyear younger than the twins but
he's still in high school andcloser to Penny's age and then

(57:09):
you have the twins that are likenow in their 20s like that that
was just annoying but I thinkthat's a thing where I don't
read too much into it

SPEAKER_02 (57:17):
no it's not that deep

SPEAKER_00 (57:18):
it's not that deep so I like Desperate Housewives
are you glad

SPEAKER_02 (57:22):
I'm glad it's over

SPEAKER_00 (57:23):
But you can see how that shows a vibe.
You know, I might just have torestart it.
So, yeah.
Anything else you want to sayabout stuff we've been watching?

SPEAKER_02 (57:33):
No, not this week.

SPEAKER_00 (57:34):
Because next week we're off.
We're

SPEAKER_02 (57:36):
taking a week off doing some birthday activities.

SPEAKER_00 (57:40):
Turning 27, baby.

SPEAKER_02 (57:42):
Kind of running low on shows here.
We've got gemstones holding on,but we've got to find something
here.
Maybe that show on Apple TV+,the studio that I tried to
convince you to watch, you toldme no.
Like three times.
And then...
Yesterday, we're like, hey, Iwant to watch this show on Apple
TV+.

SPEAKER_00 (57:59):
No, you said, hey, I think I'm going to cancel Apple
TV+.
And I was like, no, there's ashow with Seth Rogen and I don't
know.
Katherine Hahn.
Katherine Hahn that I want tosee.
And you're like, are you seriousright now?
I'm like, yes.
And apparently that was a showthat you were droning on and on.
It

SPEAKER_02 (58:16):
was.
Droning on, sending TikToks, allthis stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (58:19):
We got Hacks.
You're going to get

SPEAKER_02 (58:21):
caught up.
I'm going to catch up withHacks.

SPEAKER_00 (58:23):
It does suck that White Lotus and Severance, two
shows I was looking forward toeach weekend, are done.

SPEAKER_01 (58:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (58:29):
And we still don't technically have a release date
for Star Trek Strange NewWorlds, even though last week we
talked about August 1st.
There's still not been anofficial announcement, and it
really annoys me.
But with that, thank you fortuning in, and we will talk to
you in two weeks' time.

SPEAKER_00 (58:46):
See you later.

UNKNOWN (58:47):
See you later.