We Watch TV Episode 103 – Go see a Star War

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 In this episode of We Watch TV, Hope and Daniel react to seeing Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith on the big screen 20 years later thanks to the film’s anniversary re-release. The Star Wars chat continues as the hosts are FINALLY diving back into season one of Star Wars: Andor. With three episodes to go have they changed their minds? Listen to find out. In current shows, Hope and Daniel also discuss the latest from Hacks and The Righteous Gemstones.

(00:00:00) Intro
(00:02:31) Star Wars Revenge of the Sith
(00:27:52) Star Wars Andor (season 1)
(00:45:28) Hacks (season 4, episodes 4)
(00:49:28) The Righteous Gemstones (season 4, episode 8)

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and
security to my new empire.
Your new empire?
Don't make me kill you.
Anakin, my allegiance is to theRepublic, to democracy! If
you're not with me, then you'remy enemy.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
I will do what I must.

(00:21):
You will try.

SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
Hey everybody and welcome to We Watch TV.
It is the podcast about the TVthat we watch.
I am Daniel.
She is Hope.
This is episode 103.

SPEAKER_02 (00:45):
She's also Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
Apparently.
I'm married to Star Warscharacters.
Some of which is worse thanothers.

SPEAKER_02 (00:57):
What?
Anakin is the best Star Warscharacter.

SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
He choked his spouse out.
That doesn't thrill me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04):
He was tricked into all those things.
Killed all those children.
Manipulated.
Who cares about those

SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
kids?
He did a bunch of war crimes.
Into

SPEAKER_02 (01:13):
all these things.
Manipulated from the get-go,which this movie really
showcases.
And even though, yeah, it wasthat bad with the thing.
Choking Padme because he wastricked.
And you know what?
Obi-Wan should have chilled alittle bit coming off that
little ship there.
And let's just say that I'mstill with Padme at the end.
Like, there's still good in him.
Which we would realize yearslater, there was still good in

(01:35):
him.
Anakin is just such a tragictale.
The most tragic of the Star Warscharacters.
But yeah, for those of you guysthat are longtime listeners, I
believe this was the second timeyou got treated...
To this iconic speech from thebest Star Wars movie, Revenge of
the Sith.

(01:57):
Fifth best.
You're welcome.
You keep...
No! Stop it! Stop it! I'll giveyou a fourth best if you're
going to put the OGs in front ofit.
Fifth best, get out.

SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (02:09):
Don't make me kill

SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
you.
Yeah, you'll start force chokingme or something.
Well, if you haven't noticed, wemay have watched a Star War or
two.
Here in the last few days.
It was a weekend

SPEAKER_02 (02:21):
of, here's some money, go see a Star War.

SPEAKER_00 (02:24):
Yeah.
So, I mean, I guess we alreadykind of started talking about
it, let's kick it off.
So, this weekend we went and sawStar Wars Episode III, Revenge
of the Sith, for its 20thanniversary re-release.
I have to say, so that moviecame out in 2005.
Yes,

SPEAKER_02 (02:41):
20 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
And...

SPEAKER_02 (02:44):
Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
It looks better today, 20 years later, than
several movies I have seen inthe past five years when it
comes to CGI and everything.
I don't know what's going on.
It

SPEAKER_02 (02:57):
looked fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 (02:58):
Yeah, it looked great.

SPEAKER_02 (03:00):
It looked great.
We did talk about this lastweek, about how excited we were.
There's just nothing like seeingStar Wars on the big screen.
This is my favorite Star Warsmovie.
It is the first Star Wars moviethat I ever got the pleasure of
seeing at the theater.
And now, after watching it onlast Friday evening, it is the

(03:24):
movie that now holds the recordfor the movie that I have seen
the most in at the theater.
And I had even wondered, I waslike, well, even though I've
seen it a million times, I'mlike, will there be parts of it
that just feel slow just becausewe watched it a million times?
No.

SPEAKER_00 (03:40):
It was phenomenal.
For May the 4th, you generallywatch this movie.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (03:45):
And I will do so again on May the 4th, which is
coming up.
So may the 4th be with you all.

SPEAKER_00 (03:52):
Why didn't they...
Was this the release weekend forthis movie?
I

SPEAKER_02 (03:56):
think so.

SPEAKER_00 (03:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (03:57):
Which I always thought it came out in May.
Yeah, I thought it came out inMay.
Maybe it's just I'mmisremembering because, again,
20 years ago.
I loved it.
So, Daniel, I'm going to let youstart because I have a lot to
say.
Because he sometimes likes toplay this character on this
podcast where everything isfine.

SPEAKER_00 (04:15):
I am always genuinely myself.
I don't know what you're talking

SPEAKER_02 (04:17):
about.
Okay.
You turned to me in that theaterand just gave me a look.
Because when that opened

SPEAKER_00 (04:26):
up.
Like even my cold, dead heartfluttered just a little bit when
a long time ago in a galaxy far,far away comes up on the screen.
I even got a little excitedbecause this is the first time.
So all of us old school StarWars people recall that Star
Wars came out under 20th CenturyFox.

(04:50):
for all those years.
So it was that 20th Century Foxlogo with the trumpets and
everything.
And then when Disney bought it,Disney stripped all that off the
movies and everything.
But now that Disney bought 20thCentury Fox, they put that back
on the movie.
So it was like it was.
And so you hear those trumpets,you see the Long Time Ago in a
Galaxy Far, Far Away.
And then the Star Wars comes upbig and loud and the music's

(05:11):
going and you start seeing theopening scrawl.
And Even my cold, dead heart hadto get a little excited just to
see that on the screen again.
Because you

SPEAKER_02 (05:20):
agree, it is meant to be watched on the big

SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
screen.
Oh, absolutely.
All Star Wars should be seen onthe big screen, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (05:24):
And then, of course, before we even got to that, oh
my gosh, Hayden Christensencomes on and says, this is where
the fun begins.
I actually went, ah! I thinkthere was maybe one other person
in our theater that audiblygasped.
I kind of figured, because I hadseen on TikTok, like, that he
opened the movie, but I didn'tknow if it was like certain

(05:46):
movie brands, but he did it.
Looks like they put that onbefore every showing.
And it was awesome.
It was so good.
And I'm so happy that HaydenChristensen is finally getting
his due.
Because Star Wars fans are abrutal group.
And it just took the rest of it.
It took social media and it tookthose of us to grow up a little

(06:08):
bit to be able to have ourvoice.
And Hayden Christensen was only,what, like 19 when he was first
in Star Wars?
Like he was very young.
And he took some crap too.
Like I'm not even going to getinto what they did to Jake
Lloyd.
But the fan base can be brutal.
and I think he played Anakinwonderfully.
Everyone was like, well, Anakinwas so depressed.
Duh.

(06:28):
That's part of the reason why hegoes to the dark side, dummies.
And it's just really refreshingfor me to see Hayden
Christensen, who we knew grew upa Star Wars fan, is a fan.
And you can tell that he stillgets emotional when people just
cheer for him at events.
I don't know.
What do you think about that?
I just think it's really specialfrom an actor years later to

(06:49):
finally just feel that love fromthe fan base.

SPEAKER_00 (06:52):
Yeah.
I mean, he still shows it, butparticularly when he kind of
came back into the fold a coupleof years ago, getting ready for
Obi-Wan and he got to go to thatcelebration.
And, you know, that was kind ofthe first time he'd really hung
out around Star Wars circles,probably since 2005, 2006
timeframe.
And that was a completelydifferent atmosphere back then

(07:14):
versus now.
And I think a lot of that just,a lot of that has to do with
just, Like I said, we've agedup.
We've grown up.
We have a voice now.
The people that were kids whenthey saw those movies, and we're
probably even on the older sideof that group of people, but
they're grown up.
Social media is more prevalent.
Yeah, they're able to go out andshow their appreciation for
what's happened.
I think in hindsight, especiallywith what's happened with other

(07:38):
Star Wars properties and showssince then, in hindsight,
there's a loud...
minority group of Star Wars fanswho are never going to like
anything other than, you know,the original trilogy.
And that's it.
And I'm like, I don't know whatto

SPEAKER_02 (07:56):
do.
Why do you keep going to see themovies then?
Just watch the OGs, keep them inyour heart and leave everybody
alone.

SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Like you don't have to, like forme personally, the Star Wars
movies is episodes one throughsix, right?
I have my thoughts on the sequeltrilogies.

SPEAKER_02 (08:14):
Which

SPEAKER_00 (08:14):
we've talked about a lot.
7, 8, and 9.
At the end of the day, I justdon't consider them.
If I'm going to sit down andwatch Star Wars, I don't
consider them as watching StarWars.
But there's a group of kids thatgrew up on them here over the
past few years.
And they're probably going tolove them and continue to love
them in the future.
And you know what?
Good.
I'm happy when people likethings.

(08:36):
I don't think there's...
It's a movie.
It is a movie.
There's no reason to hate on it.

SPEAKER_02 (08:41):
Well, when I did my rewatch a couple years ago
around May the 4th, I justwatched them all.
And I know that people have,like we said, their opinion on
sequels.
We have our opinions on thesequels.
The Force Awakens was great.
There was so much potentialthere.
Yes, you could be like, oh, theybasically copied A New Hope.
Maybe that's why we liked it somuch.
But there was...
And I remember going to see...

(09:02):
to Force Awakens.
It was that...
It wasn't because midnightshowings were already not a
thing anymore, but it was stillthat excitement with other Star
Wars fans there.
And...
It was just a lot of fun and Idefinitely agree with what
you're saying.
Those are going to be some ofthe ones that the kids remember.
I thought it was particularlycool when I'm seeing on TikTok
that a lot of people who loveRevenge of the Sith like me,

(09:24):
they were either too young ornot alive yet when that movie
came out and they got toexperience it in theaters.
I know they brought Empire andReturn of the Jedi back, but it
was always very limited and itwasn't locally close to me.
I've never seen the originals intheaters.
I would love to do that I havenow seen the Phantom Menace in

(09:45):
theaters I have not seen Attackof the Clones which I'm hoping
maybe for the 25th because thisone did so well they'll bring
that one back but the sequels inRevenge of the Sith were the
only ones that I've seen intheaters I would love to get a
chance to go see like Empire orReturn of the Jedi especially to
see my Anakin at the end ofReturn of the Jedi and I think
that we need to there I guessthe numbers are out and it's

(10:07):
doing great

SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
it did really well it did really well for a release
I think you're

SPEAKER_02 (10:11):
do this more often

SPEAKER_00 (10:12):
I think you're your hope for Attack of the Clones is
going to be dashed becausethat's the same year that A New
Hope turns 50.
Do one in May and one inDecember.
They're certainly going to pushA New Hope out.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (10:25):
and I would see that one.
Just space it out.
Don't even have to do it on theexact date.
Make it like a whole big thing.
Combine them.
Do like a double feature.
Give me something.
I think it'd be really, reallyfun.
I think they need to do thismore often.
It brought back Back to me, alot of emotions of 20 years ago

(10:47):
when we went to see that.
We were dating.
We weren't even engaged yet.
We were

SPEAKER_00 (10:51):
just dating.
Yeah, we were still

SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
in college.
Just little babies.
And this was back when– Iremember seeing a lot of movie
premieres like this.
I know we did Spider-Man thisway.
One of the Spider-Mans withTobey Maguire.
That's the old one.
I know we've done some HarryPotter movies like this.
It used to be– when the moviedropped, like it would drop that
Friday, like normal, or youcould go see it at midnight.

(11:14):
So you technically be stillseeing it.
Um,

SPEAKER_00 (11:18):
it's on Friday, but you're, you know,

SPEAKER_02 (11:20):
yeah.
Nowadays you can just go aheadand see it like the Thursday at
like 6 PM.
So we were there at midnight.
We had gone to my sister's houseor to there.
It was back when they lived, um,in their apartments.
My brother was there a couple,they had some other friends over
and we had like the littleparty.
We ate snacks.
We went to the theater.

(11:40):
I remember there were people infull-blown costume.
The news was there because guesswho?
The paper decided to interview,not Daniel, me.
They didn't, did they interviewsome people in costume?
Maybe.
They chose little old me and Iwas quoted in the paper.
Even a simp for Anakin and DarthVader back then because my

(12:01):
quote, which I would probablychange now.

SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
So you'd have to do a retraction on some of your
comments.
I had

SPEAKER_02 (12:06):
not seen that movie yet.
It was not, I was getting readyto go see it so I couldn't have
said it was my favorite.
I said, and now I would putEmpire just because it's such a
baddie.
I would put it slightly very soslightly above Return of the
Jedi but they're still veryclose but I was quoted as saying
that Return of the Jedi was myfavorite Star Wars movie because

(12:26):
Darth Vader becomes good againbecause like Padme says there's
good in him so even back thenand I just do you remember like
just the feeling of excitementat that like it just it brought
back a lot of those emotions forme what about you oh

SPEAKER_00 (12:42):
yes it was it was exciting I you know I remember
going to see they re-releasedthe original trilogy in 97
before I wasn't in the fandomyet as kind of a build up to
like they'd announced that theywere making new ones but we
didn't so they put the originalsout with the some of the special
changes that they made andstarted that whole thing off but

(13:04):
anyways we were excited Iremember you know I was one of
those kids with plasticlightsabers fighting in the
front of the theater before themovie started and then of course
the real excitement was 99 whenPhantom Menace came out yeah

SPEAKER_02 (13:16):
I sadly was not part of the fandom yet, but I do
remember...
I remember the commercials forStar Wars.
I remember that was around.
I feel like around the timePhantom Menace came out is when
Weird Al did the parody for theJedi instead of American Pie.
Bye, bye, Miss American Pie.
I remember all of thathappening.

(13:36):
And obviously, when Attack ofthe Clones came out, I've
already discovered AidenChristensen because I watched
him in a show, as I've told youguys many times, called Higher
Ground, a Canadian soap opera.
And right after that show, hegot And I feel like that show
probably wasn't going to getanother season, but I think
other people have debated andread that one of the main
reasons it didn't because he wasthe lead character and he was

(13:59):
going off to do a Star War,which is pretty cool.
So I do remember being like, oh,I should maybe see this.
This guy's hot.
And then I would meet Daniel incollege and we would watch them
on my tragically tiny TV.
Dorm Room TV, Daniel alsointroduced me to Lord of the
Rings.
I don't love Lord of the Ringsas much as I loved Star Wars.
I didn't take to it as quickly.

(14:19):
But Lord of the Rings, that'sanother thing that I would go
see again.
I've only seen the Return of theKing in theaters.
I haven't seen the other ones.
I would go see those.

SPEAKER_00 (14:27):
Now, if you want to talk about a movie franchise
that I would get jacked up to gosee in theaters, let's get some
of these Star Trek movies out.
Because I've seen only a few intheaters.

SPEAKER_02 (14:39):
I thought you were going to say, like, let's do it
totally old school and do the OGJurassic Park.

SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
Oh, well, yeah, I'd be there in a heartbeat for that
one, too.
But just the original OGJurassic Park.
Not a single one of the otherones.

SPEAKER_02 (14:51):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (14:52):
It's not a movie franchise.
It's a single movie.
Let's

SPEAKER_02 (14:54):
steer back from Jurassic Park, back from Star
Trek, because you have to alwaysget in a Star Trek reference.
Though, you know what bodes wellfor you, though, is the fact
that while I like Star Warsbetter, when you met me, I was
like, well, I've watched StarTrek.

UNKNOWN (15:08):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
This year, you're still watching the fourth movie
with me, right?
The one with the whales.

SPEAKER_02 (15:16):
How many have I seen?
Have I seen two of them?
Why would I not watch the thirdmovie?

SPEAKER_00 (15:21):
We already watched the third movie.
We skipped the first movie.

SPEAKER_02 (15:24):
Why would we skip the first movie?

SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
Most people don't like it.

SPEAKER_02 (15:28):
Including you?

SPEAKER_00 (15:29):
I like it.

SPEAKER_02 (15:30):
Okay.
All right.
Anyway, that should, but that'sa thing.
Part of our history is that Iactually knew Star Trek more
than Star Wars.
And then I became obsessed withStar Wars.
It was meant to be.
Then everybody started to thinkStar Wars was cool.
I take credit for that.
I really do.
But that was really fun for me.

(15:52):
And also, you already had thatexperience of getting to go back
and see it.
This was my first time gettingto go back to see one of my
beloved ones.
I like The Phantom Menace, but Inever got to see that in
theaters.
But for the time I saw it intheaters, I've already seen it.
So I think that there was a lotof fans out there that did
experience that.
as well and I really likedseeing like the comments of
people like oh I'm so glad I gotto see they called him daddy but

(16:16):
Anakin like on the big screenwhat

SPEAKER_00 (16:19):
was it

SPEAKER_02 (16:19):
the part oh I turned to Daniel I said oh I used to
pray for days like this withAnakin's sweaty nightmare abs
I'll never forget being in thetheater my sister and I went oh
and you and my brother-in-lawlooked at each other did you
guys just like roll your eyes atus

SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (16:38):
and ladies or and And guys, if you're into that,
seeing it again, wow, he lookedgood.
He looked good.
I just can't believe how good...
I mean, he still looks good, butI'm a simp for Anakin back then.
I'm still a simp today.
But you know who really struckme looks-wise as not like being

(17:01):
hot, but just wow, they lookreally young?
Samuel L.
Jackson.

SPEAKER_00 (17:06):
Yeah.
I don't know what it was,because like you've said, we've
seen Revenge of the Sithmultiple times.
I didn't notice that when wewatched it on TV.
When we watch it on TV, I don'tnotice as much, but for some
reason on the big screen, assoon as he popped up, it was
like, oh, this is a 20-year-oldmovie.

SPEAKER_02 (17:21):
like it's just weird I think just like we said
because it's so the TV thequality is not as good and maybe
we're not and when we watch iton TV we're probably not as
dialed in either but that wasone of the first things and I
and I've always thought thatEwan McGregor just continues to
look young but even like he Iwas like okay he looks young I
mean he still looks young Ithink he looks younger than like

(17:42):
Hayden and Natalie both todayand I think he's older than both
of them but just seeing SamuelL.
Jackson and I think it's becausetoo we've seen him Yes, Hayden
Christensen and Natalie havedone, especially Natalie, but
Hayden's done some other work.
But Samuel L.
Jackson is somebody that Icontinually have seen in movies
all my life.
Whether it's a Marvel movie orjust another movie or something,

(18:04):
he's just always been on myscreen.
He's been at award showsconstantly.
So it really just struck me athow young he looked.
I think you and I turned to eachother and we were like, whoa, he
looks young.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, guys, I do haveto report that...
Anakin once again fell to thedark side.

(18:25):
Every time I watch Revenge ofthe Sith, I gaslight myself into
thinking this time he's notgoing to be manipulated into it.
He and Padme are going to gooff.
They're going to live on Naboo.
They're going to raise theirtwins.
It's going to be a great time.
And if y'all are looking to goin and see it in theaters hoping
for an alternate ending, you'renot going to get it.
But just stick by it.
Stick with the series.

(18:47):
Get to Return of the Jedi andyou'll see that he becomes good
again.
And then you'll get to seeAnakin as a gorgeous force ghost
and it will be so wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 (18:58):
Well, the good out of the way, I guess we got to
get to the bad and the ugly.

SPEAKER_02 (19:02):
Revenge of the Sith?

SPEAKER_00 (19:06):
No, Star

SPEAKER_02 (19:06):
Wars.
Oh, I was like, that movie'sperfect.
It's cinema.
It's perfection.
What did you think?
We're going to wait a minute.
I want to talk about it a littlebit more.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
The fight scene of Mustafar atthe end, like seeing that on the
big screen again, even though Iclearly, and y'all, I kept it in
check.
I wasn't a menace to everybody.
I recited the speech in my head,moved my mouth, but I didn't do

(19:27):
it out loud.
I was nice.

SPEAKER_00 (19:29):
You just waited to do it to everybody here on the
podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (19:31):
Yes, duh.
Seeing that on the big screenagain, I know we talked about
how good everything looked.
That was just incredible, thatshot of them in the distance
with their silhouettes.
What did you think about that?

SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
It was always a good fight scene.
It's even more elevated when youlook at the fact that Ewan and
Hayden did all of that.
They didn't have stunt doublesfor that scene, and they didn't
speed it up.
Everything you see in that wasthem fighting each other.
on the set.

(20:04):
So, yeah, it's an impressivefight scene.
I don't know.
For me, when it comes to prequelfights, I still think Duel of
the Fates probably is better.
I think that one's better.
You think Mustafar is betterthan Duel of Fates?

SPEAKER_02 (20:17):
Mustafar carries the emotional weight to it, really.
That just gets me.
That's like two, essentially,brothers fighting.
You see that.
And ultimately, Obi-Wan screwsup.
Darth Vader wouldn't be marchingaround killing a bunch of people
doing a bunch of other stuff ifObi-Wan had just finished him
off.
Instead, he just kind of let...
Anakin catch on fire and andbounced out of there.

(20:39):
He didn't make sure any becausehe couldn't do it.
He loved Anakin too much.
So it's the emotional impactthat like you were the chosen
one.
And then he's like, you were mybrother.
I love you.
And Anakin be like, I hate you.
Like it just all of those thingsdriven makes that the better
thing.
more impactful fight sequence tome, but I do think the one that

(21:00):
you are referencing is also very

SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
good.
I'm, and I'm speaking more, not,I'm kind of taking the emotions
out of it and just like anentertaining, let's watch these
people whack each other withlightsabers kind of situation.
And I think the, the, the duelof the fates with, with Obi-Wan
Qui-Gon and Darth Maul, um, wasjust a really, really good way
to open the kind of the, itreally established what the

(21:22):
lightsabers are in the prequels.
Because if you recall in theoriginal series, um, The
lightsaber battles were notparticularly great.
And more importantly, I thinkyou can explain that by
everybody who's fighting in thelightsaber battles in the
original trilogy is either superold, was mangled terribly, and

(21:42):
is in a really restrictive giantblack suit, or has never picked
up a lightsaber a day in theirlife in Luke.
And so it kind of explains that.
So then suddenly we get toepisode one, and we don't really
know what to make of Luke.
We've never seen Jedi in theirprime before, and then we see
Duel of the Fates, and it's justlike, holy cow.

(22:03):
I like that the bathrobes

SPEAKER_02 (22:04):
continue to be the attire, though.
Yeah.
They just continue that.
See, for me, I can see whatyou're saying, but for me, Star
Wars is good because of theemotions that are attached to
it.
Ultimately...
Star Wars is a love story.
I saw a comment on TikTok and Iwas like, you know what?
Daniel said something verysimilar to me the first time we
watched Star Wars.
The girl was like, my boyfriendtold me that we could watch it

(22:26):
because there's a little bit ofa subtext of romance.
And I remember you saying, ofcourse, you were referencing
more Han and Leia at the time.
And then, like, I think youindicated to me about Anakin and
Padme when we would watch those.
And I was like– I'm the same wayshe was.
Like, subtext?
Honey, that's the whole thing.
Star Wars is one giant lovestory, tragic as it may be.

(22:48):
It's a love story.
It starts as a love story, andultimately it ends as a love
story.
And I'm not counting the sequelsright now, though you could say
those were a love story as well.
But, like, it ends with our LukeSkywalker– taking the cues from
his mother basically because aswe've said Luke is more like
Padme in many ways and beingable to love his dad so much

(23:11):
that love ultimately doesovercome that evil and we get to
see Anakin again at the very endand it's is it tragic yes but
Star Wars is a love story Anakinfell to the dark side because he
was so in love with Padme and soscared of losing the love of his
life that he let and there was alot of manipulation going around

(23:33):
but it's a love story that's whyI saw that I was like that's
kind of how it was with you evenwhen we watched the originals I
looked at you and I was like ohHan and Leia because I actually
didn't know that that was one ofthe secrets I did not know I'm
like Han and Leia better gettogether like I knew little bits
pop culture wise but I didn'tknow like about that but then
when we got to the prequels Iwas like oh Anakin and Padme are

(23:53):
like the ultimate love storythey're like the whole catalyst
for the whole thing so Star Warsis a love story can you I know
you might like it for differentreasons but do you ultimately I
feel like you have to agree withme that that's why Anakin
turned.
Is it a good love story?
It's tragic.

SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
Am I getting force-choked if I disagree?
I don't disagree with you.
How can you disagree because youwouldn't have fallen?
I don't disagree with you.
You like

SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
it for

SPEAKER_00 (24:20):
different reasons.
And now at my advanced age, I doappreciate it for those kinds of
things.
But you've got to remember thata lot of men tend to come into
Star Wars now at a specific agewhere the things that draw them
in is not the love story and thesubtext and the political
commentary, but instead, look atthat lightsaber and look at

(24:41):
those spaceships.
And some guys never grow beyondthat.
I

SPEAKER_02 (24:46):
guess.
But would Anakin have fallen tothe dark side?
Maybe not.
The reason why he dideverything, and that's why it's
so tragic, is he did all of thisfor Padme and he still lost her
at the end.
And you know what's something Ididn't notice?
Until we watched it, when theyboth ask each other, like, if
the other one is all right.

(25:08):
Did you notice that?
Like, Padme, is she all right?
And, like, she asked, you know,is he all right?

SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
That was the last thing she asked before she died.
I

SPEAKER_02 (25:15):
think the last thing she says is they're

SPEAKER_00 (25:17):
still good in him.
And it's one of the first thingshe asked as Darth Vader.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:21):
When she, like, wakes up and comes to, she's
like, is he all right?
Like, so...
it's yeah I think that that'swhat makes Star Wars so good is
that there is something foreverybody if you like action if
you like all this but for meit's the emotions the characters
how they like okay my favoritescene from the sequels actually

(25:41):
is a Luke Leia scene when Lukeis I think he's there but not
there I'm really fuzzy on thatone I think it's gotta be from
The Last Jedi and he's like whatdoes he say he says something
about a reference to Han Solo

SPEAKER_00 (25:55):
nobody's really ever gone

SPEAKER_02 (25:56):
nobody's ever really gone and then like the little
dice and I just thought that wasa very touching moment because I
feel like we didn't get enoughof Luke and Leia moments That I
would have liked to have seenwith their bond as siblings.
You could be like, oh, theyweren't planning to be siblings
yet.
We could go in deep on the StarWars lore.

(26:16):
But it's just that the motions,those are what draw me in.
And I know you don't cry all thetime.
And I was already crying beforethe movie got going.
But just seeing, I actuallycried even more over this time
than just the Anakin Padme stuffthat I always cry at.
with the obi-wan anakin fightlike that is where i cried the

(26:36):
most when we re-watched thatmovie because it just it just
breaks my heart and then justnow that i've seen the obi-wan
show where he's like anakin i'msorry like anakin skywalker you
know it's like he's gone now iam what remains you didn't kill
anakin skywalker i did and nowwe have all of that added to it
it made that seem more of a gutpunch to me

SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
is your darth vader voice just theranos Because
that's what you just dipped intothere.
Are

SPEAKER_01 (27:02):
you talking about the Hulu thing?
Theranos.
Unfortunately, I cannot do afull-blown Darth Vader voice.
It's about as deep as I get.
Can you actually answer thequestion?
Did you get emotional at all?

SPEAKER_00 (27:17):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
But you can see why I did.

SPEAKER_00 (27:20):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (27:20):
So your emotions is more just from your fandom at
the beginning.

SPEAKER_00 (27:24):
Yeah, just reminder.
Regardless of which Star Warsmovie it is, it always starts
the same way.
If it's an episode, I guess,because there's two movies that
don't.
You're

SPEAKER_02 (27:32):
not really a crier at the movies, though.

SPEAKER_00 (27:35):
You know, only when, like, the first time I see one
of my favorite characters of alltime, you know, die.

SPEAKER_02 (27:41):
Spock?

SPEAKER_00 (27:42):
Kirk.

SPEAKER_02 (27:43):
Oh, Kirk.
When does he die?

SPEAKER_00 (27:45):
You haven't watched that movie yet, but we'll get
there if you just give me thetime and watch them.

SPEAKER_02 (27:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (27:52):
Okay.
All right.
So that's the good.

SPEAKER_02 (27:54):
What is the bad?

SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
Are we not going to talk about Andor?
I

SPEAKER_02 (27:59):
wouldn't call it bad.
It's fine.
All right, y'all.
So, as promised...
I'm finally slugging my way therest of the way through Andor.
Season one, by the way.
Season one.
I was further in than I thoughtI was.
I thought I had only watched...
Because someone was like, youhave to get to episode five for
it to be good.
I thought I was only on episodefour.

(28:19):
Apparently, we had gottenthrough episode five.
Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 (28:24):
That's what our Disney Plus return to this
seemed to indicate.

SPEAKER_02 (28:30):
And...
I'm still waiting.
I have three episodes left ofAndor.
Season

SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
one.

SPEAKER_02 (28:37):
Season one.
Season two, I believe, just cameout like last week.

SPEAKER_00 (28:41):
There's three episodes out so far, and I think
three more drop this week.

SPEAKER_02 (28:45):
Oh, so there are only three.
Yeah.
Why can't I get that content andbe blessed for other Star Wars
shows?
Instead, I get the weeklyrelease.
I digress.
There's like 12 episodes,people.
I think there's 12 episodes inseason two as well.

SPEAKER_00 (28:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:01):
Has it gotten better than when I stopped watching it
and couldn't because it was soboring?
I wanted to fall asleep everytime I watched it.
It was like watching paint dry.
Yeah, it's gotten better.
Is it...
Do I see why it would benominated for Emmys?
I guess.
And set design and stuff.
Other than that, though, it'sfine.

(29:21):
To quote Daniel, it's fine.
It's not terrible.
I don't think it holds a candleto Ahsoka, which is the best...
Star Wars show even better thanThe Mandalorian, in my opinion.
I think...
I am one of the– you can sign meup for the team that was like
where I've read things that ifyou like the Acolyte, you didn't
like Andor and vice versa.

(29:42):
The Acolyte puts it to shame.
And shame on you, Disney+, forlistening to all the haters
because the Acolyte deservedbetter.
And the gall of them to rollManny Jacinto out at that little
– was it like a festival?

SPEAKER_01 (29:54):
Celebration.

SPEAKER_02 (29:55):
Celebration.
Ticks me off unless I get to seehis character again.
Whatever.
Whatever.
The Acolyte, I look forward towith a great anticipation what
they were going to do next.
And it was just different thaneverything.
I'm still, I have three episodesleft of season one and I am
still waiting to be just totallysizzled.
And apparently, again, we are aspoiler podcast.

(30:19):
I just casually asked Daniel aquestion that was, I guess, a
big sizzler from what you'retelling me at the end of season
one.
It's

SPEAKER_00 (30:27):
not a sizzler.
It's just like, I think at theend of the last episode, they
tagged this onto the end becausethey didn't answer it throughout
the course of the rest of theshow.
I thought it was fairly obvious.
so

SPEAKER_02 (30:37):
Cassian at one point after he they do the heist they
get the money he goes to what Icall Star Wars Myrtle Beach and
he gets like I don't know whathe was doing they pick him up
they're like you're getting sixyears in prison and he's like
what so they take him to thisprison that looks like it's just
a sensory hellscape nightmarenot even being shocked you can
take out shock in me but just mybare feet alone constantly does

(31:00):
that not make you sick

SPEAKER_00 (31:02):
I wouldn't like it I

SPEAKER_02 (31:03):
would hate it so he's in this barefoot prison
they're working and i'm justlooking at the shape of
everything they have to work oneach day and i'm like oh so
they're building the death staror something daniel's like oh my
gosh he's like that's the likethe end credit scene of season
one where it's the big revealand i was like Oh, and I
couldn't have been, could I havebeen even more casual about the

(31:23):
way I asked you that question?
I was like, you think they'rebuilding the Death Star?
Like I pretty much said it aslike an offhand remark while we
were eating and watching theshow.

SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
Yeah.
You were not excited about it.
I

SPEAKER_02 (31:33):
was just like, yeah.
I mean, like I was just, well, Iwas trying to figure out what
they were building and I'm like,surely they're not just wasting
their time.
I'm like, I guess I could seethem being wasteful.
But I know like some of thebooks I've read for Star Wars,
they talk about people that likehad to work on the Death Star.
So that's probably also where itwas in because yes, I have.
I've read a Star Wars book.
I'm that cool, y'all.

(31:56):
And you just were like, yeah,that's like the sizzle at the
end of the season.
So everything that I'm going tosay that I enjoy before I let
you talk about Andor, the MonMothma content, my favorite part
of the show.
Give me more of that, please.
I hate her husband.
Leave your husband.
Leave, leave your husband.
I enjoy that.

(32:17):
I'm not...
The little FBI and the uptightdude, they're still not doing it
for me.
I know they're like the villainsand they're trying to find
Andor, but I'm going to needthat to ramp up a little bit or
maybe see a spark of humanity ineither of these people because
right now they're just likevillain amped up times 50 and

(32:40):
I'm just not feeling aconnection to them.
Do

SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
you ship them at all?

SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
They have some heat, but honestly...

SPEAKER_00 (32:47):
No, no, no.
That's not what I asked.
I didn't ask if there was heat.
I'm not sure I shipped that.
I asked, do you ship it?

SPEAKER_02 (32:52):
Maybe not yet.
I tend to like my ships to belike...
I guess they could be twohateful people that hate each
other.
Like if she were to hook up withCassie and Andor and fall in
love with him somehow, and itgets her to let down her hair.
Now we're talking, but I don'tthink that's going to happen.
So I don't know.
I'll have to see.

SPEAKER_00 (33:10):
They seem like the two worst people you could
imagine getting together, ifthat's the direction they're
going to go.
I feel some

SPEAKER_02 (33:16):
chemistry between them, but I'm not feeling that
emotional pull.
And I...
Andor, the main character.
I love Rogue One.
I think Rogue One is one of thebest things.
I think it's better than thesequels that Disney did.
I think it's a better movie thanSolo.
But he was not my favoritecharacter from Rogue One.
I found him to be boring in thattoo.
So maybe that's part of it.

(33:36):
The girl, don't remember hername.

SPEAKER_00 (33:39):
Jenner, so.

SPEAKER_02 (33:41):
Yeah, I liked her.
I liked the, I am one with theforce.
The force is one with me orwhatever.
Like that guy, the little ragtagcrew.
I liked the droid, whichsupposedly, spoiler alert, I'm
hearing I get to see in seasontwo.

SPEAKER_00 (33:52):
Yeah, I believe that's good.

SPEAKER_02 (33:53):
But his scenes, thankfully from what I've read,
he's going to bust out of thatprison soon because I'm sitting
there looking at you.
I'm like, And I thought theircamp scenes were boring.
But I knew Cousin, by the way,from The Bear was bad.
Clocked him immediately.
And that got revealed, I think,like literally in the episode.
We picked it back up one.
So, yeah, my take on Andrew.

(34:13):
I'm not going to say it's bad.
But those of you that are actinglike it's the greatest thing
that Disney has made, I justhave a lot of questions.
Maybe we just like differentstuff.
Because right now, it's fine.
I'm just going to give it to oldDaniel.
It's fine.
Would you like to proceed?

SPEAKER_00 (34:30):
I'm enjoying it.
I think I'm definitely enjoyingit more than you do.

SPEAKER_01 (34:33):
Better than fine?
I'm

SPEAKER_00 (34:36):
not there yet, I think.
Part of my problem is, ofcourse, I've been spoiled to a
certain extent on the finalethat's going to happen.
Yeah.
Which I...
I'm going to enjoy watchingbecause I think it's going to be
satisfactory.
It better snatch my wig.
It's going to be satisfying.
I do think that a lot of thepraise, not all the praise, not

(34:56):
all of it, but some of thepraise that Andor gets is in
opposition to things like theAcolyte.
There's a fan group that hascreated a schism within the Star
Wars community and they don'tlike this, but they do like this
and they need this, Andor inthis case, to...

(35:17):
be considered just miles aheadof the other stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (35:21):
Is it kind of like how when Solo came out, because
Solo was the project that cameout right after The Last Jedi,
that everybody acted like Solowas the greatest movie ever
because they hated The Last Jediso much?
The

SPEAKER_00 (35:31):
people that went to see it, because a lot of people
just did not go to see Solo.
I

SPEAKER_02 (35:35):
remember you and I saw that on opening night and we
were like, It was like us andthree other people.
Yeah, it did not feel like aStar Wars movie.
It was weird.

SPEAKER_00 (35:43):
But yeah, there's not as many people do that, but
there's certainly a lot ofpeople in the Andor versus...
In the Andor versus the Acolyte,which is weird because none of
them ever talk about Ahsoka.

SPEAKER_02 (35:56):
Which Ahsoka trumps them both.

SPEAKER_00 (35:58):
Hands

SPEAKER_02 (35:59):
down.
Do you not agree?
Ahsoka is the best for whatwe've seen of Andor so

SPEAKER_00 (36:03):
far.
Yeah, I agree.
The thing to me, honestly, thathas tamped my...
about Star Wars down is the StarWars fans.
Yeah.
Like, I just want to enjoysomething and not feel like I'm
going to be criticized forsaying, oh, I enjoyed that
thing.

SPEAKER_02 (36:22):
Oh, yeah.
I got criticized by saying Ilike the end.
Shoot, you still get criticizedwhen you say that.
Like, when I say I like theprequels better than the OGs,
people act like I'm insane.
I

SPEAKER_00 (36:32):
enjoyed Ahsoka season one.
Go check out our...
Supercut.
Supercut about that.
I enjoyed The Acolyte.
Go check out our Supercut.
I'm enjoying Andor.
And I don't see any reason whyI'm not going to continue to
enjoy Andor.
What I know about the end ofseason one, it has me excited to
see that resolution.

(36:52):
And certainly the buzz.
I don't know.
The buzz about season two has meexcited.
It looks like there's maybe somemore Mon Mothma content for you
coming in season two.
I'm going

SPEAKER_02 (37:04):
to see Darth

SPEAKER_00 (37:04):
Vader.
No, it's been confirmed.
No Darth Vader, no Emperor.

SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
I would put him in there.
Dumb.
That's another thing.
They were going to give mePlagueis from the Acolyte.
That ticks me off.
So right now, just based uponnot what you know, based upon
what you've seen from Andor andwhat you've seen from the
Acolyte, I'm going to make youpick.
Which one do you like better?
I

SPEAKER_00 (37:24):
have to go with the Acolyte.
And for one simple reason.
Right now, this is the onlyreason.
Again, I'm limited because Ihaven't seen...
the final three episodes ofAndor season one, but Andor is
not traversing any territory.
That's new.
Whereas I liked about theacolyte was showing us things we
haven't seen before.

(37:44):
It was showing us backgroundthat we haven't seen before.
Whereas Andor, I mean, we knewthere was a rebellion in
between, in between revenge ofthe Sith and a new hope.
We knew there was a rebellionand we knew that it developed in
some way and it's not a stretchto go, Oh, and here's how it
happened, which is what Andor isshowing us.

UNKNOWN (38:02):
Uh,

SPEAKER_02 (38:03):
They're playing it safe.
They're not taking any riskswith it.
The Mon Mothma stuff is verygood, though.

SPEAKER_00 (38:09):
Honestly, they could have explored that a lot more.
I would have rather it been

SPEAKER_02 (38:12):
her show.
I do like seeing the big Senateroom.
I like seeing all of that.
I feel like I get two minutes ofher per episode that I have to
look forward to.
We did just have the blonde girlfrom Game of Thrones with the
Faceless Man people.
I don't know what her name is inStar Wars.
We did get the reveal that she'slike Mon Mothma's cousin.

(38:34):
And you and I were both like,oh, that's probably the first
time I've done a...
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (38:37):
that was like a good...
No, they did a really good jobwith kind of like weaving that
in and making something seem up,but not really giving us any...
And so then they kind of justtossed that out there.
And I thought that was a goodreveal.
I thought they did a good jobwith that.
So I'm excited to watch the endof it and see how it plays out.
Because I know...
I know...
highlights of what happens, butI don't know much detail around

(39:01):
it.
So I want to see them fill inthe gaps on what happens.

SPEAKER_02 (39:04):
Ben Mendelsohn is going to be in season two.

SPEAKER_00 (39:06):
Yeah, he's reprising his role.
I've already seen some edits ofhim.
He's reprising his role fromRogue One.

SPEAKER_02 (39:12):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (39:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:14):
I think...
Yeah, I don't know why you wantto at least have a little Darth
Vader wink.
Throw a little wink in there.

SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
See, to me, with how much they're in the chambers, it
would make more sense to showPalpatine.
But I saw an interview with theshowrunner who said that
somebody like Palpatine is sucha big thing to bring in.
And just with the story theyalready had, he wasn't sure he
wanted to do it.

(39:41):
go that deep into it because hewould, he didn't want to just
pop him in for one scene andthen not do anything else

SPEAKER_02 (39:46):
with him.
We've got Jon Favreau that doesMandalorian.
We've got Dave Filoni, thegreatest ever.
He does

SPEAKER_00 (39:52):
Ahsoka.
I can't, It's not a traditionalStar Wars person.
So he, Gilliam, I think is thelast name.
I can't remember his name.
He came in and helped themfinish Rogue One.
When Rogue One finished primaryphotography and it was kind of a
mess, he kind of came in andcleaned it up and is the reason
we kind of got the version of itthat we got.

(40:12):
And so then he was like, well, Icould be interested in doing
some more in this kind ofspecific timeframe.

SPEAKER_02 (40:18):
And I would just like to say too, because I have
seen and heard Andor people fanssay like, and I am honestly
insulted by it because I do likea good slow burn story when done
correctly.
I love the white Lotus.
That's a nice slow burn ofdetails.
I just think they could improvethe pacing a little bit with
Andor.
I don't think we needed 12episodes.

(40:38):
Like right now I'm like, can weplease get him out of this
prison?
And it looks like I'm going tobe get my wish in this next
coming episode.
I'm like, it just, I was loaningfor the days of the camp scenes
with him and the other rebelsthat was boring me so much.
I'm just like, Like, sick of it.
Like, it just...
It's fine.
I...
I just want to know, send me, ifyou are a listener of this show

(41:00):
and you're one of the peoplethat really like Andor, give me
three reasons why you like it somuch, three things that you like
about it.
I just want to know, and I'llread it on air.
You can be like, oh, I like thisjourney.
I like these things, I guess.
By

SPEAKER_00 (41:15):
the way, things that you like about Andor, not
comparisons to things like TheAcolyte and why it's better.
Do not support your enjoyment ofa show by bashing another one.

SPEAKER_02 (41:28):
Go ahead and do that because I just want to know.
Now, obviously, if this finaleis super awesome, Daniel, I'm
looking at Daniel and you'relike, I don't know if you like
it or not.
Like what's going down, then Imight adjust my mind.
That being said, I'm just goingto totally change gears here.
The Walking Dead was a show thatthe first season was great.

(41:48):
Second season, a little better.
And then it started doing thisthing that I hated, where your
pilot, not your pilot, yourpremiere episode, your
mid-season finale, and yourfinale would be where everything
happened.
Everything else, you had to slogthrough it.
And it got to a point where youand I, I lasted longer than you
did.

SPEAKER_00 (42:04):
Yeah, you did.
I tapped out after, I think,five, maybe?
He tapped out early.
Season five, I think, is where Iwas going.
Glenn hadn't even died yet.

SPEAKER_02 (42:10):
You were, like, way out of there.
Like, you didn't get to meet,like...
What's his face?
Hilary Burton Morgan's, JeffreyDean Morgan's husband.

SPEAKER_00 (42:17):
Yeah, I never saw him.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
I never saw him.

SPEAKER_02 (42:19):
Negan.
Negan, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so you didn't even get tothat, but it would just be
like...
I feel like I was almost doinghomework.
And then suddenly I'd have themajor episode, and I do not like
it when shows do that.
So yes, just don't talk down tome about pacing.
I've seen people like, oh, well,it has a nice slow burn pacing.

SPEAKER_00 (42:39):
You don't feel like you're doing homework to watch
Andor, right?

SPEAKER_02 (42:42):
No, I don't.
That hasn't gotten that bad yet,but I'm saying if we get to the
thing where the finale is justinsane and I had to watch 11
episodes of content to get tothe crazy, I'm going to be a
little irritated.
I'm referring more to the peoplethat are like, oh, it's just a
slow burn.
It's telling a story.
That's why I like the WhiteLotus.
I like it when shows do thatjust correctly.
And I do.

(43:02):
There are certain aspects ofAndor that I really like.
Like I said, I almost wish wewould have just done the Mon
Mothma show.
Give her more scenes.
Because she is who I am mostinterested in.
And what's going on from thatpolitical side.

SPEAKER_00 (43:17):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree with that for sure.

SPEAKER_02 (43:20):
That's all the Star Wars we watched.
We did not watch the Jude Lawone yet.
Which Daniel tried to entice meto watch it by saying...
By comparing it to a show hedoesn't even like anymore.
I heard that it's like Star Warsmeets Stranger Things.
I'm like, you don't even likeStranger Things anymore.
And you were like, anymore.

SPEAKER_00 (43:37):
But I'm trying to speak your language.

SPEAKER_02 (43:40):
You should have just been like, Jude Law,

SPEAKER_00 (43:42):
Jude Law, Jude Law.
So it's either that or, see, Icould have turned you off to it
if I had said the other thingI've heard people say, which is
like Star Wars and Goonies.

SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
I've never seen the Goonies.
I know, me neither.
Neither have you.
Oh.
Everybody holds their collectivebreath.

SPEAKER_00 (43:58):
And we're not going to.
We've made a choice.
It's actually in our marriagecontract.
We're going to, like, dig ourheels in.
We both agreed that, you know,to have and to hold in sickness
and in health, and neither of uswill ever watch The Goonies.

SPEAKER_02 (44:12):
It elicits such a reaction when we tell people.
We have nothing against it.
We like it.
Doesn't it have, like, Sam fromLord of the Rings in it?

SPEAKER_00 (44:20):
I think so.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (44:22):
I'm pretty sure he's like one

SPEAKER_00 (44:23):
of the main characters.
Isn't the Toxic Avenger in theresomewhere?
Toxic Avenger?
I've seen some weird creepylooking guy.
Looks like the Toxic Avenger.
You don't know who the ToxicAvenger is?

SPEAKER_02 (44:34):
No.
Has he been in the movies?

SPEAKER_00 (44:39):
I don't know.
He was a cartoon show from the90s.
I think.

SPEAKER_02 (44:42):
The only superheroes I knew about in the 90s were,
like, besides Teenage MutantNinja Turtles, were, like,
Superman and Batman.
Like, all this Marvel stuff,like, I didn't even know who
Captain America, I guess I thinkI knew sort of who Captain
America was, but, like, Iron Mandidn't know who he was at all.
I guess I knew Spider-Man.
Now I'm backtracking a littlebit because there was a cartoon
show, right?

(45:03):
But didn't know who Iron Manwas, didn't know who Thor was,
and I feel like didn't know whothe Guardians of the Galaxy
were.
I think that's pretty common.
Disney kind of put Disney,Marvel, whatever you want to
call it, those characters on themap.
I feel like Batman and Supermanwere the two big ones.
Right?

SPEAKER_00 (45:20):
Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man.
Yeah, we're way off base.
When am I getting more

SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
X-Men 97?

SPEAKER_00 (45:25):
They're working on it.

SPEAKER_02 (45:27):
Speaking of shows and ships...
Anyway, do you want to talkabout something current?

SPEAKER_00 (45:31):
Sure.
We've got two shows we'rewatching.
I don't know that we have muchto say about either of them.
You want to go with Hacks first?

SPEAKER_02 (45:37):
I was going to go with the other, but we'll do
hacks.

SPEAKER_00 (45:39):
Let's do hacks first.
So I was completely wrong.

SPEAKER_02 (45:42):
Episode four or five.
Five.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (45:45):
I was completely wrong.

SPEAKER_02 (45:46):
Totally wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (45:47):
In my prediction that they were going to the
season was going to go up to thefirst show and in there because
this episode they just did thefirst show.
Yeah.
So I'm done making predictionson where they're going to go.
I'm out.
I'm I retire.

SPEAKER_02 (46:01):
What about Deborah's anxiety?
Yeah.
build up to then she's like I'mnot having a panic attack I'm
having a cardiac event but thenI think she went to the doctor
and everything was fine whenshe's at the doctor at the end
of the episode it's because shewas in the club and that guy put
like a popper in her face shehit her head on a bar which
they're gonna the network'sgonna have to talk to her about

(46:22):
how she's gonna be more carefulgoing out in public I think
that's gonna be

SPEAKER_00 (46:24):
well we know she's getting security guards at some
point so

SPEAKER_02 (46:27):
yes well we know too that like with her and Ava they
have the HR person in the roomSo the network's going to put
that on her.
I think the network's going tostart censoring their jokes a
little more.
I think the network's going tocome down about like, hey, you
can't just go out like the twoof you used to.
So I think that's going to be alot of our conflict is the

(46:48):
network itself.
And they know they have thatpressure that they have to
remain number one.
I read a theory that they'regoing to pull a Conan Linnow.
And they're going to take Debraoff the air at the end of the
season.
And the guy that she came on toreplace is going to get better.
And he's going to come back.
I think that'd be silly if theydid that for the show.
I wonder personally if they'regoing to go to a thing where

(47:11):
Debra has wanted this so much.
She's wanted redemption for whatwas taken from her.
That she's going to realize likemaybe I didn't want this at all.
And I want to do something else.
Something different where I'mnot being held back.
I don't know.
What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 (47:25):
I just got done telling you I'm not trying to
predict any more of the seasonbecause I was just so horribly
wrong earlier.
I don't think a Conan situationis right because I feel like if
they were going to do that, wewould have met that guy already.
Even last season when she talkedto him, it was just a phone
conversation.
I think we would need himcharacterized a little bit more

(47:49):
to make him...
as the villain he would end upbeing if that were the case.
I definitely think that you'reonto something there with...
Now that we've gotten past thefirst episode, I think we're
going to see the grind of adaily show and what it takes to
actually put that show on fivenights a week.

(48:11):
And I think you're right.
I think at some point that tollmight start to come and Debra
realize...
was this what I actually wantedor this what I thought I
deserved?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:21):
I do like that we got more of that Deborah Ava
dynamic.
Somehow they ended up watchingthe first episode together
because she had forgotten toremove Ava from her emergency
contact and they ended upwatching it in a hospital
waiting room.
I like that.
I like that.
Because they're both proud ofthe work they're doing even if
they're still at odds.

(48:41):
So that was just, and you couldtell they so badly wanted to
hold each other's hand in thatmoment but they're just both
resisting.
I've seen a thing that's likeevery season we end with Debra
screwing Ava over somehow or Avabeing upset.
They're like, what if we endthis season if five is the last
where...
ava is the one that's not goingto be forgiving or something i'm

(49:04):
like that would be aninteresting shift and it would
show character growth for betteror for worse for both of those
characters worse for ava ifshe's going to be more like
deborah maybe some growth fordeborah i don't know what we're
going to do i would love i don'twant to see it end where they
never talk to each other or havea sad ending i want them to both
come around but i think they'regoing to have to grow up a

(49:25):
little bit both of them

SPEAKER_00 (49:27):
no i agree

SPEAKER_02 (49:29):
Alright, so Gemstones.
Righteous Gemstones Season 4.
This is the second to lastepisode.
This coming Sunday, at the timeof this airing, is going to be
when the series finale comesabout.
So we kind of had our bigepisode with the reveal of the
bad guys and we were both wrong.

(49:50):
We both thought it was Stifler.
Corey, Megan Mullally'scharacter, Miss Lori's son, were
like, oh, it's just too obviousthat it's going to be Cobb, her
ex-husband.
But it really was him.
And he's in that case.
And he had, do you want to sayhis name?

SPEAKER_00 (50:04):
Big Dick Mike?
Mitch.
Mitch.
Big Dick Mitch.

SPEAKER_02 (50:08):
The car salesman chained.
Naked.
In a room

SPEAKER_00 (50:14):
facility.
It was like a back room in his,like, gator farm place.
His gator

SPEAKER_02 (50:16):
park facility.
And he captures Eli and babyBilly, who was hanging out with
Eli at the time, and throws themin that room with Mitch.
We have the cops even show upand the cops are like, yeah, I'm
getting a divorce too.
My ex-wife's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (50:34):
So it

SPEAKER_02 (50:34):
took Corey who actually calls or shows up,
right?
Yeah, he shows

SPEAKER_00 (50:39):
up.
Yeah, he shows up.

SPEAKER_02 (50:40):
To rat his dad out and ends up being the one to
literally put a knife in hisdad's back.

SPEAKER_00 (50:46):
And then Eli pushes him into the water and rings the
gator bell.
Yeah.
That's that.
Okay.
You know, it's kind of aclassic.
This show so far has been reallyknown for kind of having their
climactic episode before thelast episode of the show.
It's very formulaic.
Next week is going to be more ofa goodbye episode than anything

(51:07):
else.
I think they'll resolve a fewthings, but the main...

SPEAKER_02 (51:11):
The main villain.

SPEAKER_00 (51:11):
The main villain is gone and vanquished.
And now it's just going toprobably be a mess around
episode where we get to see allkind of tie up any loose ends
that we've got hanging outthere.

SPEAKER_02 (51:21):
He was the most nefarious evil villain.
That was dark.
The stuff he was doing to Mitch.
And I do think...
we were a little bit on to Coreybecause I think it's clear that
Corey knew that it was his dad.
He just didn't want to bringhimself to accept that his dad
was the one that was kind ofmaking his mom's life hell and

(51:42):
doing this stuff because, youknow, that's his dad at the end
of the day.
Like, his dad's terrible, butthat's his dad.

SPEAKER_00 (51:48):
Corey was turning a blind eye.
I don't know that Corey knew theextent of what was happening.
I wouldn't put that much on him,but he definitely knew something
was going on.

SPEAKER_02 (51:57):
And he knew that his dad's the one that robbed the
Jim Snow Took

SPEAKER_00 (52:01):
the Bible.
In

SPEAKER_02 (52:02):
the early episodes, yeah.
As for Miss Lori and Eli, Idon't know if they'll get back
together.
I don't know.
The preview for the finalepisode looks like they're at
some type of event, celebration,wedding.
I really, really, really wantthat to be Keith and Kelvin's
wedding and maybe we've had atime jump.
Please give me this.

(52:22):
Please.
I could see it.
Maybe Eli would get remarried.
I don't think that's what he'sgoing to do.
I'm not even sure they're goingto get back together.
I could see them gettingtogether.
I could see them not.
I think they emphasize that theydid come together because they
were both lonely people.
And that she is, I mean, at theend, she talked about her
relationship with each of thegemstone children.

(52:44):
And you see that there is thatdeep love that they have from a
story like, don't let me hugher.
So, oh, Let's get to the monkeyin the room, shall

SPEAKER_00 (52:55):
we?
Judy did not fight Dr.
Watson.
Even though he tried

SPEAKER_02 (52:59):
to drop a hairdryer in the bathtub.

SPEAKER_00 (53:01):
I feel like my prediction was about as close as
you can get.
Yeah.
They were at odds with eachother.
They were fighting over BJ.

SPEAKER_02 (53:08):
Instead, what do we have the realization for?
So after Dr.
Watson tries to electrocute Judyin the tub, Judy's like, we got
to get rid of this monkeybecause BJ can walk again.
Yay, he's healed.
He's drinking his milk at churchdinner.
Everything's great.
And so they go to give themonkey back and they're like, he
just gets really attached andpossessive over people because
he lost his mom at a young ageand that causes him to rage out

(53:31):
and do all these things.
And you see a look from Judy andI looked at you and I said, oh
my.
gosh Dr.
Watson is Judy and I think thatI think they're gonna I don't
think that's the end of Dr.
Watson I think

SPEAKER_00 (53:43):
they're gonna go back and

SPEAKER_02 (53:44):
get him and he's gonna be their little baby
monkey

SPEAKER_00 (53:47):
whenever we get the final shot of all our of all our
characters in the show yeah inthe next episode Dr.
Watson is gonna be in thatpicture

SPEAKER_02 (53:56):
and I think Pontius's issues he's still
gonna be that snarky kid but Ithink Gideon showing that he's
still a baddie and kind of likemaking nice with them I think
that might be what we get likeit's just gonna be like yeah
they're brothers this it is he'slike in a way so much like Jesse
I don't know if they're gonna gomore into detail with that I'm
not really sure I

SPEAKER_00 (54:15):
one thing I can tell you for sure is I I'm not
expecting any kind of like greatsincere moment like there will
be a nice moment with and andwe'll probably the end of every
season we'll probably see amylee's ghost you know kind of
come in watching them but idon't expect like the siblings
to like have some great epiphanythat they need to treat each

(54:36):
other better because we'vealready had that and then they
still go back to their old waysevery year so

SPEAKER_02 (54:40):
what about tingis

SPEAKER_00 (54:43):
um is that show ever gonna come out

SPEAKER_02 (54:45):
I hope so.

SPEAKER_00 (54:45):
Now that Billy, baby Billy has taken over the role of
teen.
Just why

SPEAKER_02 (54:49):
are you smoking that pipe?
Bilbo Baggins.
Oh

SPEAKER_01 (54:55):
my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 (54:58):
So yeah, it's been good.
I'm enjoying it.
I'll be sad to see it go, but Ithink, I think I've also, for
me, I think this season's been alittle less, uh, Do you think
it's

SPEAKER_02 (55:09):
because we're not watching it all together?

SPEAKER_00 (55:10):
Maybe.
You know, the end of last seasonwas weird, too, with the whole
locust swarm out of nowhere.
See, that's not

SPEAKER_02 (55:20):
how I think of last season.
I think of last season of themdriving the monster truck at the
end with the ghost of Amylooking at everybody's happy.

SPEAKER_00 (55:27):
Because those are the things you remember from
this show.
Yeah, I like,

SPEAKER_02 (55:30):
again, emotions.
I like character.

SPEAKER_00 (55:31):
I respect Danny McBride.
saying we're calling it likeyeah this is it because we don't
have any other stories to tell ithink we've got too many
creators in um hollywood todaywho are probably not necessarily
of their own accord they'reprobably being pressured by the
studios to stretch stuff out tomake more money when the story

(55:54):
really shouldn't be

SPEAKER_02 (55:55):
what do you think the celebration is for in the
preview you haven't seen thepreview there's a big
celebration it looks like it'ssome type of event

SPEAKER_00 (56:02):
I don't know.
It'll either be a wedding orthey'll just make up some weird,
goofy thing.
Who knows?
Who knows?

SPEAKER_02 (56:08):
Maybe a revival.
Yeah, maybe it'll be a revival.
Maybe Billy will be selling somealbums or something.

SPEAKER_00 (56:12):
Who knows?

SPEAKER_02 (56:14):
I'm excited to see it end.
I have faith that Danny McBridewill do the show justice and
that we'll have a good, solidending.
And that's definitely a showthat I would go back and
rewatch.
Thank you for meeting me atthis.
What did she say?
This is like season one at thisneutral location when they're
out back.

SPEAKER_00 (56:32):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (56:34):
I just want to watch for Judy Gemstone's crash outs.
That's all.
I just love her so much.

SPEAKER_00 (56:41):
All right, everybody.
I think that's all we got foryou this week.
We don't have much news going onother than we still don't have a
Star Trek Strange New Worlds

SPEAKER_02 (56:51):
release date.
Oh, we do have news.
We do have news.
We do

SPEAKER_00 (56:53):
have news.
What's that?

SPEAKER_02 (56:54):
We got a full trailer for the Summer I Turn
Pretty Season 3, and y'all, it'sgood.
It's good.

SPEAKER_00 (57:03):
Our trailer's news, I guess.
Yes.
Is that coming out this year?

SPEAKER_02 (57:07):
In July, yes.
It's the final season.
There's only three books.
And the trailer...

SPEAKER_00 (57:13):
Like that's ever stopped anybody.

SPEAKER_02 (57:15):
was perfect like at first I hated it I was like oh
my gosh ew because it was somany Jeremiah Belli scenes that
is the incorrect ship and theywere doing the disrespect to
give them Taylor Swift daylightbut then it was like I was like
oh I see what they're gonna dolike I once believed love would
be black and white but it'sgolden and I thought that was
gonna flash to Conrad for goldenbut then it said but loving him

(57:36):
is red and I think they said isred not was red that's another
Taylor Swift song if you're intothe Taylor Swift lore you're
gonna be super into this showtoo and That just shows.
I already know who wins in thebooks, but I guess the author's
been saying, like, it might notend like the books did.
We're going to win.
Team Conrad.
Let's go, baby.
Woo!

SPEAKER_00 (57:57):
All righty, everybody.
Thank you for tuning in.

SPEAKER_02 (57:59):
May the force be with you.

SPEAKER_00 (58:01):
Live long and prosper.