We Watch TV Episode 113 – Wed-Nes-Day - We Watch TV

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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
So we're calling this episode Wednesday because
neither of us can actually spellproperly.
Is that my understanding here?

SPEAKER_00 (00:07):
Well, I am a good speller, but the word Wednesday
always tripped me up.
Wednesday and February.
So I say like February andWednesday.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
Hey everybody and welcome to We Watch TV.
It is the podcast about the TVthat we watch.
I am Daniel.
She is Hope.
This is episode 113.
We are here.
It is so close to fall.
We can almost taste it eventhough it's only actually
August.

SPEAKER_00 (00:45):
What was the heat index today?
It was too hot.
I don't know.
It was too hot.
It is back like feeling like inthe high 90s and it stinks.
But I consider really, as soonas those Mickey pumpkins go up
at Disney, which they're goingup at the end of this week, I'm
like, it's fair game.
It's true.
We

SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
should derive all of our seasonal timing by what

SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
Disney does.
Yes, of course.
Because Halloween is not just aday.
It is a season.
Spooky season.
It's a whole thing.
And if I can, which again, Ilove Christmas, but if I have to
look at Christmas decorationsstarting in, you know, like
sometimes even September, Ithink it's totally fair that I
can as a spooky season gal, lookat my Halloween decorations as

(01:29):
soon as the 4th of July is over.
It's only fair.
It's science at this point.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34):
When are our decorations going out for spooky
season?

SPEAKER_00 (01:38):
My hope is to get them up, at least start pulling
stuff out next weekend.
So that's about the time we didit last year.

SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
Does the goose have...
A Halloween costume?

SPEAKER_00 (01:48):
Not yet.
The goose does have a WVU outfitthat your mom bought for it at
the farmer's market.
But my goal is to get our goose.
We got a goose, you guys.
Not a real one.
It's not a

SPEAKER_02 (01:58):
real goose.
It's an incredibly heavyconcrete cast goose.

SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
That hailed from Myrtle Beach in the 80s.
That was on my grandmother'sporch for, you know...
years 30 plus years and now ison our porch but they couldn't
find when they were getting thegoose to us only one outfit was
recovered so that's going to belike my new personality is
shopping for goose clothing

SPEAKER_02 (02:20):
all the thing about the goose that's bothering me
right now is that i have myoffice in the basement and i
have a window i can just see itshead poking up over the window.

SPEAKER_00 (02:33):
Could you see our skeleton when we put it

SPEAKER_02 (02:35):
out?
No, he's in that corner too far.

SPEAKER_00 (02:37):
You're probably going to be seeing the goose
even more then because when weget the skeleton out, we're
going to scoot the goose overbecause we're going to put the
skeleton in the camping chairand then we're going to scoot
the goose over and they're goingto be like Halloween pals.

SPEAKER_01 (02:49):
Great.

SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
And can you please, everybody, send in a fan mail.
I'm putting out the call now.
I think that we need, we havelike the five foot skeleton.
I think we need the 12 footskeleton to go right in our
living room.
What does he say in a Christmasstory?
This one's going in our livingroom front window.
It's going right in our frontyard.

(03:10):
You know, those are cool.
We've seen them in some of thehouses that we run by.
They're awesome.
I

SPEAKER_02 (03:14):
disagree entirely.
How do I know?

SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
It took me years, years to convince you to finally
get me a blow up snowman.
I'm going to make this happen.
I am.
We just need all the Halloweendecor we can get.
But this is honestly, while Ilove a good summerween, this is
how the seasons actually shouldbe.
I truly

SPEAKER_02 (03:35):
detest that term,

SPEAKER_00 (03:37):
summerween.
It's really big in book talk.
It's been a thing for a while,but it's gotten really big in
book talk this year.
And you're just...
You're such a buzzkill.
Anyway, can I go on about theseasons?

(04:06):
should be spraying and theMountaineers totally got screwed
this year in March.
Man, that's just stuff to putout there.
And then I think summer shouldstart after Memorial Day.
The way the actual seasons areon the calendar, like no one
cares about that.
And I do think there are somepeople that are really
persnickety about it.
I've noticed like reallypro-summer people are totally
down to be like, yeah, summerafter Memorial Day.

(04:28):
But if I'm drinking my PSL on,you know, September 3rd or
whatever, they're like, no, no,no.
It's still summer until XYZ.
You can't have it both ways.
That should be, that is, I feellike the majority of people,
that's how we do the seasons,and that's how it should be.
Do you agree?
I mean, regardless if you agreeor not, we're getting our

(04:48):
Halloween decorations up likenext weekend, so.

SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
I'm honestly over all of these Eurocentric
holidays.
At this point, I'm going to justgo back to the pagan roots and
celebrate the solstice two timesa year, summer and winter.

SPEAKER_00 (05:00):
No, we're going to get a 12-foot skeleton.
What decorations do you like thebest?

SPEAKER_02 (05:07):
You know, I was originally against the skeleton,
but when you allowed me to put aSanta Claus hat on it and keep
it out for Christmas, I'm nowback on board with the skeleton.
I was actually advocating fortrying to find some way to keep
the skeleton out all year roundwith different clothing.
I don't think we would keep the12-foot one out the whole time.

(05:30):
No, I'm not on board with the12-foot skeleton.
Oh, yes you are.
No.

SPEAKER_00 (05:33):
Yes you are.
No.
Yes you are.
Yes you are.
Yes you are.
Yes you are.
Yes you are.
The skeleton is cute.
Everyone gets a kick out of it.
Except for when we brought itinto the house and Marvin was
like, get it out of my house.

SPEAKER_02 (05:45):
No, I think this year I have an old flannel.
and some old boots I might puton it after Halloween's over.
I'll

SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
allow it after Halloween's over, but I've got
my spider and my spooky stuffthat I put on.

SPEAKER_02 (05:57):
Right, yeah, but when it's Christmas time, he
gets the hat and maybe a flanneland some boots.

SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
See, I thought you were going to pick Halloween as
your favorite decorationsbecause there's less work for
you to do, whereas Christmas I'mhaving you drag up all the
boxes, the tree, and doing thelights on the outside of the

SPEAKER_02 (06:11):
house.
Yeah, there's definitely lesswork.

SPEAKER_00 (06:13):
That being said, I would love to put some really
cute orange lights forHalloween.
Do you think that would be justtoo over- We got the goose.
We got the skeleton.
Possibly the 12-foot skeleton.
Let's throw some more lights andbats out there.

SPEAKER_02 (06:24):
No.
I'm not doing that.
You know what?
What?
I will do it if you let me buythe fancy, nice LED lights and
they just stay up all yearround.
And you can't see them whenthey're not on.
And then you can just, insteadof having Christmas lights, you
just change on the app over toChristmas lights.

SPEAKER_00 (06:44):
Like that one house that's had their American lights
on.
Not

SPEAKER_02 (06:47):
like that.
Not like that.
Otherwise it's November.
Not like that.
This would look, you wouldn'teven be able to

SPEAKER_00 (06:51):
see them.
Bro's been celebrating the 4thof July since November of last
year.
I

SPEAKER_02 (06:57):
think he's just got his default on to where if it's
not a holiday where that haslike a specific theme, it's just
American flag.

SPEAKER_00 (07:04):
Okay.
So I could do like pink and likefor Easter and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (07:10):
Pink for Easter?
Yellow's the Easter color.

SPEAKER_00 (07:15):
It's like pastels is the Easter color.

SPEAKER_02 (07:17):
Yellow is the Easter color.

SPEAKER_00 (07:19):
Yeah, but the yellow lights, would it look good?
I want like a pastel.
I

SPEAKER_02 (07:23):
feel like we would...
We've never decorated forEaster.
Can I get a giant Easter bunny?
No, no, no.
If I did this, I would allow youto celebrate with lights for
holidays that traditionally getlight celebration.
Halloween and Christmas.
And maybe 4th of July.
The rest of the time, they'djust be off.
What is Arbor Day?

SPEAKER_00 (07:41):
It's like about trees.
Is that the tree one?
Let's

SPEAKER_02 (07:45):
waste a bunch of electricity on Arbor Day to
celebrate.

SPEAKER_00 (07:48):
We could do it for the start of college football,
and I could do WVU colors.
There

SPEAKER_02 (07:52):
you go.
So if you let me do that, thenyou can have Halloween life.

SPEAKER_00 (07:56):
And I can have my 12-foot skeleton.

SPEAKER_02 (07:58):
You would be in charge of the app.
I would put them up one time,and then I would never touch
them again.

SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
You know, it's really fitting that we're
talking about Halloween andspooky season, because I think
this is, is this episode 113?

SPEAKER_02 (08:08):
It is, absolutely,

SPEAKER_00 (08:09):
yes.
Spooky, spooky.
Well, speaking of spooky, we dida little TV watching over the
past week.
Wednesday, Wednesday, not theday, the person and the show.
Netflix's Wednesday season two,part one, collective eye roll,
dropped last week on, what daydid it drop on, Daniel?

SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
Wednesday.

SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
Wednesday.
I'm a little annoyed.
That was only four episodes, butthe marketing around it's been
good.
It wasn't called the Wednesdaymeal at Wendy's.
It's called the meal ofmisfortune.
I've had it twice.
It comes with my normal Wendy'sorder anyway, chicken nuggets
and fries, but then you get twodips of dread, and there's four

(08:55):
of them.
I've gotten the meal twice now,and I've gotten the same two
every time, which is annoying,but I like the two that I got.
Not so much the purple one, butI like the darker ketchup one.
I think they

SPEAKER_02 (09:03):
all look gross.

SPEAKER_00 (09:04):
You said I haven't had the spiciest.
You haven't had

SPEAKER_02 (09:07):
the spiciest.

SPEAKER_00 (09:07):
But you were never a child that was whimsical and got
the purple ketchup when that wasa thing in the 90s.
No, because that was gross.
You've just always been so setin your ways.

SPEAKER_02 (09:15):
You

SPEAKER_00 (09:16):
were like born an 80-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 (09:17):
Ketchup shouldn't be anything but red.

SPEAKER_00 (09:19):
You were like born an old man, like born a senior
citizen at birth.

SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
Fine.

SPEAKER_00 (09:23):
Like, you're like, get off my lawn.
And then it came with a Frostythat's called the Raven's Blood
Frosty with, like, this darkcherry sauce.
And I know that you're realweird.
Again, another thing you'resetting your way is about
Frostys.
And normally I'm with you.
Like, just the classic Frosty,which is now we have to say
chocolate.
You refuse to even say chocolateflavored because to you a Frosty
is chocolate.

SPEAKER_02 (09:43):
No, when I order, I have to say a chocolate Frosty
because they screwed it up.
And I can't just order a Frostybecause if I say I'd like a
medium Frosty and they come backat me and go, what flavor?
And if I order a mediumchocolate or if I order a medium
Frosty, it should be impliedthat I want a chocolate Frosty
because that's only Frosty.
Everything else isn't a Frosty.

SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
But it's the wildest thing to me, considering you
would always choose vanilla inany other life because you like
the most boring, bland flavor.
And you're always like vanilla,vanilla, vanilla.
Vanilla is a

SPEAKER_02 (10:11):
flavor.
But

SPEAKER_00 (10:11):
I remember when Wendy's launched their vanilla
Frosty, I was like, oh, Daniel'sgoing to really like this.
And you were like, what is this?

SPEAKER_02 (10:19):
It's not.
Don't call it Frosty.
Because that's not what it is.
A Frosty is a very specificitem.

SPEAKER_00 (10:26):
The Raven's Blood Frosty is like, that's what
makes this meal legit.
And you can get that by itself.
And it was good.
I love a good theme.
I'm a sucker for a good theme.
These companies see me coming amile away.

SPEAKER_02 (10:37):
Yeah, they really do.

SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
But it was really good.
And I really feel like you wouldlike it, but you're so stubborn.
I do agree with you a little bitthat Wendy's has never been the
same since, you know, I think wetalked about this on the podcast
before, since yellow Wendy'swent away.

SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
yeah we had an episode about that

SPEAKER_00 (10:53):
we did yeah it just it hasn't been the same it's not
been the same but back to theshow yeah

SPEAKER_02 (10:59):
the show was also good real quick before we get
too deep into the show if youare this is one of the rare
shows on this podcast that we'veactually got like a hundred
percent coverage of every seasonwow so if you are interested we
did talk about season one ofWednesday all the way back on
February 28th 2023 in episodesix pilgrims or something

SPEAKER_00 (11:20):
and I believe that the show had dropped in 2022 and
we just for some reason i thinkwe were super busy we had a lot
going on and so we waited and weit was something that we wanted
to watch and we waited a littlebit and we had just started the
podcast so that's when we didthat episode yep so it's been
then a good three years thatfans have been waiting for yeah
pretty well for four episodesnetflix has got to cut it they

(11:41):
got to cut it out with this crapThey've got to stop it.
I understand from a financialaspect, they're like, you know,
if we keep splitting theseasons, it's going to make sure
that people extend theirsubscriptions or whatever.
That's got to be the mindsetbehind it.
But in this case with Wednesday,I think it's going to hurt them
a little bit.
Because I think if we watched–when we get those back half of
the four episodes, unless theyare real stinkers, I feel like

(12:04):
the whole season is going toflow better.
Because my– I'll just get intoit right now.
First off, again– This is thepoint in time, if you are new
here, to go ahead, skip to thatnext chapter marker if you don't
want to be spoiled because weare a spoiler podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (12:21):
If you're new here, by the way, I'm just going to
put this out there.
If you're new here, how?
How did you find us?
I want to know.
I'm interested.
There's a link in thedescription called send us a fan
mail.
Let me know.
If you're new here, how in theworld did you find yourself
here?

SPEAKER_00 (12:34):
And also tell us that we need a 12-foot skeleton.

SPEAKER_02 (12:37):
Don't do that.

SPEAKER_00 (12:38):
Yes, please.
Anyway, here we go.
Your final warning.
Let's take it off.
So we got those first...

SPEAKER_02 (12:45):
Wednesday dies.
No,

SPEAKER_00 (12:46):
she doesn't.
We get the first four episodes.
And my biggest complaints ofthis season, I'll get the
complaints before the good, isthat...
It's just for waiting almostthree years for a show and then
it only gives four episodes andthen it didn't even feel like
Wednesday was like this she'sstill the centric character but

(13:06):
she was definitely sharing a lotof screen time and there were
some side plots that I'm surewill come together in the end
and I don't think those sideplots like the siren girl and
her mother I think that there'ssomething going on with them and
the new headmaster played bySteve Buscemi like I don't think
he's the big bad but I don'tthink he's a good character
either I think there's somethingup with him the way he was hard

(13:27):
on her and like kind of knowsher past so I think that's gonna
be in the overarching storywhich again would make more
sense and if we got the wholeeight episodes set at once.
But, like, anytime we'd switchover to her plot, I felt like it
was distracting from some of it.
And then we had some other just,like, storylines.
Like, ultimately, I think it'sepisode three where they go
camping, right?

(13:47):
Yeah.
And they had this whole, like,what is it?
Kind of capture the flag, butthey called it something
different game.
And, obviously, it ended upmaking sense because it had the
zombie, like...
was out or whatever that Pugsleycaptured.
So it did come together, but itjust felt like that whole

(14:09):
episode was like, I almost feltlike I was getting a filler
episode for a large chunk of it.
And I'm sorry, doing fillerepisodes when you're only giving
me four episodes is insane.

SPEAKER_02 (14:18):
Yeah, the problem they have is like, again,
there's a lot of competingstorylines and only one of those
storylines has Wednesday in it.
Like the Pugsley story, Pugsleyis now at the school, never
more.
And he has discovered...
a zombie

SPEAKER_00 (14:35):
and he's clearly socially awkward they're
cleaning that out a lot

SPEAKER_02 (14:38):
nursing this zombie back to health whatever that
means for a zombie and it's like

SPEAKER_00 (14:43):
well I've noticed every time it eats brains it
like grows a little bit more

SPEAKER_02 (14:47):
but like so like you said that story is probably
going to come back and makesense at the end of the season
but right now every time it's onscreen I'm just like what are we
doing with this zombie and itseems like multiple times
including like the whole thingwith the capture the flag and
the boy scouts that came in allof that was to serve of the
storyline of getting the zombiecaught so it could end up at
willow hill and so that it coulddo what it did at willow hill

(15:11):
and it's just like none of it'smaking any sense to me The
fourth episode is finally theepisode that really felt like
season one.
And then they roll credits on usfor a month.

SPEAKER_00 (15:24):
Well, I did like that scene.
I don't know.
It's because they played musictwice.
The new music teacher, thezombie, which is playing the
cranberries in your head.
And I thought that was one of myfavorite scenes.
like musical moments because ithad the zombie running around
and they were playing that.

(15:45):
Um, so I liked that part aswell.
And I do like, I, I, I like theAdams family.
So I don't mind that there's afocus on Morticia because
obviously we're going to meetOphelia soon.
Um, her mother showed up.
So I understand that, you know,I'm fine.
I've always liked the Adamsfamily.
So I'm fine with some of thoseextra characters coming in, but
just for a four episode slate,it felt like it took until that

(16:08):
fourth episode to really getestablished and like you know
what's going on what's goingdown the Wednesday story well
that

SPEAKER_02 (16:13):
thing is for me is everything going on with
Morticia and her sister and hermom is Wednesday is a part of
that story.
But with Pugsley in particularand with the siren story in
particular, Wednesday seems tojust be completely aside in
those storylines.
And it's not obvious at any wayhow they're going to bring all
that back together.
And that's what I think makesboth of those pieces when you

(16:35):
break off like drag is becausewhen it comes to Morticia, we
know that what we know kind ofwhat's going on there and what
Wednesday and her are havingconflict.
And that's interesting.
But like, It's like Pugsleyshowed up at Nevermore and has
just been doing his own thing,and nobody has been caring in
the world about him.

SPEAKER_00 (16:54):
Did Pugsley talk a lot in the Christina Ricci?
I don't remember him everspeaking before this.
Maybe he did, but I don'tremember.
I

SPEAKER_02 (17:00):
mean, I don't remember a character named
Pugsley in The Addams Family, beit the old movies or last
season, ever speaking.
Yeah.
I've not seen the 60s TV shows,so I can't speak to that.

SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
Now, some criticism that they have nothing to do
with...
the storyline, just in terms ofthe pacing of the show, is
puberty hits.
I didn't even recognize Eugene.

SPEAKER_02 (17:23):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (17:23):
Because we're only to believe, like, you know, a
summer vacation has passed, andthis went from being a cute
little, you know, chubby-cheekedboy to a thin, taller, kind of
braces person.
I'm like, who is this?
I'm like, oh, that's the bugkid, because he's rooming with
Pugsley.
And I also didn't much care forEugene's attitude switch.
He seemed a little like, I'monly doing Wednesday a favor.

(17:46):
Like, He was the sociallyawkward boy in the first season.
You'd think he'd beunderstanding of that.
And I felt like he's been kindof rude to Pugsley.
I don't, it's just odd.

SPEAKER_02 (17:54):
Yeah.
I don't, I mean, I don't thinkthat real, I don't think it's
out of character.
I think that certain kidspractically, if they have like a
grow up period and they, they'recome to a conclusion of like,
Hey, maybe I can like use thisgrowth spurt that I had over the
summer to change my socialsetting to then be rude to
somebody like Pugsley coming inand who's just a complete

(18:16):
nightmare of a roommate whoknows I mean within 15 minutes
of being his roommate he's got azombie in his

SPEAKER_00 (18:22):
that's true that's true I mean there's a little
call for rudeness there Iexpected Eugene to be a little
nicer now when it comes tocharacters though Enid is my
girl so I'm gonna defend her Ifeel a lot of people are coming
for her online and I like thatshe was one of the her traits in
season one was that she didn'tshe lacked so much confidence
and now she is more confident inher abilities and being part of

(18:43):
the wolf pack and I feel likelike she did not handle her you
know teenage relationship dramawell by ghosting Ajax and then
you know kind of starting arelationship with someone in her
pack during but that to me isjust teenagers we have to
remember they're supposed to belike 16 so yeah I'm not mad I'm

(19:03):
too mad at Enid I don't know ifI trust the new werewolf
boyfriend I felt like they had agood moment when they were on
prank day like Wednesday'slittle stalker Agnes who we'll
get into kind of set them up shecould have killed them that's
That was weird.

SPEAKER_02 (19:17):
I mean, it's the Addams Family.

SPEAKER_00 (19:18):
I felt like that guy kind of was vulnerable a little
bit, but I'm not sure if I trusthim.
What

SPEAKER_02 (19:24):
about you?
I don't believe they've givenyou any on-screen reason not to
trust him right now.
They haven't given you anylingering looks or weird smirks.
So if they pull something outthat he's untrustworthy, that's
not going to be earnednecessarily.
I think some of that is just younot trusting anything in a show
where there's supposed to bemystery.

SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
The only thing that they did was they showed, and
I've seen the scene like whereshe Agnes is making her mad and
she starts to like get her clawslike her werewolf claws out he
kind of stops from doing thatand people have pointed that out
as being weird I'm like no Ithink he was stopping that so
she didn't attack Agnes so AgnesI think there's more to her than
meets the eye this is our newcharacter she's supposed to be

(20:04):
Wednesday stalker kind of alittle fangirl it's giving I
don't remember what thestudent's name is but it reminds
me of like Harry Potter wherethat boy was like always like
infatuated with Harry Potter andalways like following him around
the school

SPEAKER_02 (20:16):
was that in the books

SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
yeah in the books early movies um that's what it
sort of reminds me of but i feellike there is too many
similarities with her andchristina rishi

SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
yeah you know so i thought that

SPEAKER_00 (20:28):
but maybe it's not they have the big doe eyes and
then when

SPEAKER_02 (20:31):
christina rishi's character showed up at the end
of episode three i thought okayhere we go they're gonna do it
then what happened to christinarishi's character at the end of
episode four spoiler alert shegets impaled by the hide the
hide tyler tyler And she ispresumed dead.

SPEAKER_01 (20:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (20:49):
I'm starting to think that might have been just
a red herring.
I'm not sure that there was anyconnection there.

SPEAKER_00 (20:54):
Well, some people think the other redhead, the new
music teacher Capri, thatthere's a connection there.
I don't know.
I think if Capri ends up beingbad, is that her name?
Her name's Capri, right?
I think so.
I do not know.

SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
I

SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
think if the new music teacher ends up being bad,
that is so obvious.
I do think that she made thisstatement to Wednesday when
Wednesday was playing the cello,like you can control things with
your music.
I do think that she can controlstuff with her music.
I think that might be one of herpowers but I think I'm kind of
going to be annoyed if she endsup being a big bad because it's
like I know like she had thatscene where she was out of

(21:28):
breath and they were wanting usto like think it's her but if it
really does mean that she's likethe new big bad I think it's so
obvious and then I'm going tohave to ask Tim Burton do you
hate redheads what's going onbecause Christina's character
had red hair Agnes has red hairso I would rather like Agnes
just be a crazy little studenttoo but I don't know she gives
me the willies

SPEAKER_02 (21:48):
I agree I don't I don't think it's the music
teacher at this point I thinkthat she's they're trying to
make us think maybe there'ssomething to it but I don't I
also think that the girl thelady the bird lady that they
kind of revealed at the end ofepisode four because they kind
of they've kind of revealed tous who was doing the bad stuff
at this point I'm starting towonder if but I'm wondering if

(22:09):
there's something going onbehind the scenes that we're not
quite aware of yet I also hopeit's not like like you said
earlier I also hope it's notSteve Buscemi yeah as the
headmaster because I just wanthim to be a jerk.

SPEAKER_00 (22:21):
I think he's shady, and I do think there is some
stuff that he knows about Biancathe siren and her situation with
her mother.
I think he knows a little bitwhat's going on, but I'd rather
him just be a jerk as well.
I don't want him to be, again,the big bad.
I definitely agree with you thatthey're like I did think and I'm

(22:42):
like oh you know with the wholebecause basically she's like the
secretary at Willow Hill but wefind out that she's supposedly
the daughter of one of thedoctors that was basically they
were faking obituaries for someof the outcasts that were had a
lot of crazy situations but theywere keeping them in the
basement at Willow Hill anddoing experiments on them the

(23:02):
doctor got so crazy that now heis a patient at Willow Hill and
she was revealed I alwaysthought that the actress, that
there was going to be somethingup with her, but I'm starting to
wonder if she's covering for theactual baddie.
I don't know.
Or

SPEAKER_02 (23:18):
being controlled by.

SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
Or being controlled by, yeah.
I'm not sure we have that out.

SPEAKER_02 (23:23):
Because I do think.
But

SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
I did guess that, that she was going to come out.
Say I'm getting my edge back.

SPEAKER_02 (23:29):
So, I mean, if I'm, you are, yes, you redeemed
yourself.
I did.
You'd had a couple of big L'slately.
And you redeemed yourself onthat one.
I do think that the elephant inthe room that was not revealed
this morning.
these first four episodes isOphelia.
Yes.
And who, and I think that that'sa candidate for somebody who

(23:51):
could be controlling thisbecause we know she spent a
large amount of time at.

SPEAKER_00 (23:56):
Oh, you think Ophelia is going to be

SPEAKER_02 (23:57):
bad?
Yeah.
At Willow Hill.
Right.
I think we know she spent a longtime there.
They said she was there for 20years before she went missing.
I trust

SPEAKER_00 (24:05):
Morticia's mom less than I do Ophelia.

UNKNOWN (24:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:09):
Oh, for sure.
But I don't think she's behindit.
I think there's conflict betweenher and Ophelia, obviously.
Interesting.
Because her mom's the one thatcommitted her there in the first
place.
Yeah.
And so I think whenever thatreveal starts to take place, I
think we're going to see a lotmore.
She's a psychic, similar toWednesday.
She had the same thing happenwith Wednesday's black tears.

(24:30):
So maybe she's been able tomaster her powers and now she
can control people.
I don't know.
I'm

SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
just saying.
I don't want her to be bad.
That would kind of irritate me.
I don't mind Wednesday's grandmabeing a little shady but i don't
maybe unless that we can saythat ophelia has been
controlling it but then can havea redemption i don't know i i
think that would kind of get onmy nerves i mean

SPEAKER_02 (24:49):
she could have redemption because like it's the
adams family if she comes outand she's like part of the
family but she's been killingall these people they'll be like
oh well the family's family likeit's the adams family

SPEAKER_01 (24:58):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (24:58):
so by the way i want to just point out because i
didn't know this i don't knowwhy i guess my brain just erased
it i had no idea it was adamsfamily with two d's

SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
Yeah, we started like the first episode and you
paused it and you were like, oh,my gosh.
And I'm like, seriously?
All right.
All

SPEAKER_02 (25:15):
right.
I did not.
You know how your brain.
Wednesday.
You know how your brain justlike delete stuff when you're
reading because you don't.
Cause it just sees it, butyou're, you don't like actively
notice it.
Your brain just is like, okay, Iunderstand it.
That was what it is.
I saw Adams.
I like, we had it paused and Iwas looking at it for long
enough and I was like, why arethere two D's in there?
Has it always been that way?
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (25:35):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (25:35):
Apparently it has.

SPEAKER_00 (25:36):
So the end of last season, Wednesday was kind of in
a love triangle.
Um, the boy that played Xavier,kind of the loner boy at the
school, um, that actor got intosome legal stuff.
So they did have to quicklywrite Xavier out.
They did mention why Xavierwasn't there as dad sent him
away to another school, andXavier kind of sent Wednesday a
card about some shenanigansgoing on for her to be aware of

(25:58):
and to investigate.
But then the other piece of thelove triangle was Tyler, the
barista, and I did figure outthat he was bad very early on.
I

SPEAKER_02 (26:05):
know.

SPEAKER_00 (26:05):
Book it.
This

SPEAKER_02 (26:07):
was before you started falling off.

SPEAKER_00 (26:10):
I fell off like one time, maybe twice.
I don't remember.
What was the second thing?
I know that thing you do.
But there was something that Ireally liked.
And now I can't even remember.
But, like, I lost my edgebecause I cared so much.
I don't know.
I don't remember.
I don't remember either.
Can we move on?
Sure.
Anyway.
So, at the end of season one, itwas revealed that Tyler was, in

(26:30):
fact, the monster.
He was the hide.
Tyler's mother...
was presumably dead, and hisfather was the sheriff in town.
His father is no longer thesheriff at the start of season
two.
Tyler has been committed toWillow Hill, and at some point,
Tyler's father is murdered bywhoever's controlling the
Ravens.
We don't know.
I think, like you said, there'smore to that than that little

(26:50):
finish it up at the bow goingon.
And we did get to see Tyler, andcan we just say he was serving
in that mental institution.
Oh, my gosh.
They had him in the chains,shirtless.
The body is T.
I was just like, all right, Istill ship them.
Yeah.
Enemies to lovers.

(27:10):
Extreme.
Let's go.
I think there's still good inhim.
I really do.
Wednesday and that last episode,let's just mostly talk about the
last episode because it was thebest one.
Like you said, it felt likeseason one.
They make this plan to get intoWillow Hill, figure out what's
going on.
They find out all the patientsdownstairs and they rescue this

(27:31):
woman.
She's in a room that's marked nounauthorized entrance, very
dangerous.
She's kind of in the corner ofthe room and at first i was like
oh is this ophelia because weknew ophelia spent time there
but then as you think about itfester because uh he kind of got
himself committed to helpwednesday uh figure out this

(27:51):
mystery um he didn't seem torecognize her and then it was um
later announced that lady gagais going to be in with this
season of wednesday so i thinklady gaga is going to be ophelia
and i think this woman istyler's mom I think she is
alive.
I think that's how we canpresume that.

SPEAKER_02 (28:09):
I think they want us to maybe think it's Ophelia, but
like you said, Fester saw her.
He would have known what Ophelialooks like.

SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
And I believe people are saying in the comics Ophelia
was blonde too, which would makesense with Lady Gaga.
So I think that's what's goingon and with like the whole
Fester not recognizing.
And there's this scene at theend where, but right, you know,
after Christina Ricci'scharacter, you know, gets offed
by the hide, AKA Tyler,allegedly, we didn't really see
the body, where Wednesday andTyler do come face to face at

(28:43):
once.
I think he's already in the hideform and they stare at each
other.
And then our final scene isWednesday being tossed out of a
window, landing on the ground.
She's not going to be dead.
They already showed that she'sin a coma.
So what is it?
I think they say something likein the trailer for season two,
like she's always dreamed ofsomething like this and your
death coma, like our littlegirls, just as the Addams family

(29:04):
would do.
But the inclination is thatTyler.
in the hide form knocked her outof that window I don't know if
I'm clowning because I stillship them I think one if he did
knock her out of the window hecould easily have impaled her
and killed her with the clawsthat's how you kill people so
maybe he did that to get heraway or maybe he didn't and

(29:24):
mommy turned into a hide andknocked her out of there so it
was really frustrating to finishthat fourth episode for me
because i felt like i wasenjoying the other three
episodes like i don't wantanybody to not think i was but i
felt like that's where it reallygot good and then like you said
to have oh well

SPEAKER_02 (29:42):
i think later see you in a month the frustrating
thing about the way netflix hasbroken this season up is i feel
like a lot of the complaintspeople have had about the first
three episodes really if theseason had continued and the
pace got where it was and we gotto see the things we wanted to
see I think those complaintswould just kind of melt away.
That's what I was saying at thebeginning.

(30:02):
And everybody would forget.
But because they've like made ushave to sit here with these
four, it's going to makeeverybody think season two
probably isn't as good.
Or, you know, the next fourepisodes, the last four episodes
would come out and it could suckand be the same way and we don't
care.
Or they'll be great.
Or they'll be great, yeah.
But I think that's theconversation that's been struck
by the fact that they arebreaking it

SPEAKER_00 (30:22):
up.
That's kind of what I was tryingto articulate at the beginning
about like my main complaints isI don't think I would have these
complaints if I had gotten theseason at once So we're
definitely on the same pagethere.
But, you know, I'm glad it'sback.
I enjoy it.
I think I do think fans are, youknow, we're allowed to have a
little bit of beef that wewaited like three years and we
just got four episodes.

(30:42):
So.
At least they're not making uswait like six months for part
two.
It's September 3rd, which willprobably be another Wednesday.
Yeah, it's just it's

SPEAKER_02 (30:51):
yeah, it's rough with these shows like getting
them in this frequency.
And yes, September 3rd is aWednesday.
I do think that, you know, thisshow probably got affected by
the strike just like a bunch ofother ones did.
But still, like this show cameout in 2022 and we're getting in
2020.
That's almost four years of await.
That's a long, and particularlywhen you're talking about a show

(31:13):
with a bunch of actors who aresupposed to be in high school.

SPEAKER_00 (31:16):
That's

SPEAKER_02 (31:17):
the amount of time they would have been in high
school

SPEAKER_00 (31:19):
between seasons.
It's just like the StrangerThings kids are all old.

SPEAKER_02 (31:22):
Well, don't get me started on

SPEAKER_00 (31:22):
that.
But, like, yeah, Eugene was thebiggest teller.
Jenna Ortega was already, youknow, an adult woman basically
filming.
So, like, she's going to be ableto still look the same, kind of
same for Enid.
But, like, it's the younger onesthat you're like, ah!

SPEAKER_02 (31:38):
Yeah, so I don't know.
I know there's not much we cando about it.
This is the state of televisionthese days.
And I'm certainly not advocatingfor going back to 2010 six
episode seasons where the actorsare exhausted because they're
filming for nine months of theyear.

SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
Give me the 20 plus episode seasons.
Give me filler episodes.
I'll even take it.
And only the summer break?
Well fed.
I

SPEAKER_02 (32:00):
think we can find a happy medium between 8 episodes
and 26.
There's numbers in between therewe could have that would allow
you to have the flexibility of

SPEAKER_00 (32:12):
This just shows how we've been that we were excited
that like one of the shows wewere streaming we were like oh
my gosh it has like 10 episodesand we got excited about it.
That's insane.
The thing is what they're doingand I complained about this on
the Summer I Turned Pretty whenI was talking about last week is
you can't give me these shortseasons with these long breaks
and still give me fillerepisodes.

(32:33):
I think filler episodes aregreat for character development
in those long seasons, but no.

SPEAKER_02 (32:38):
Like, I love a good Star Trek filler episode in Next
Gen or something.
Of course you have to watch StarTrek again.
Right?
But...
I'm not so accepting of fillerepisodes in Strange New Worlds
because I know I only get 10episodes.

SPEAKER_00 (32:49):
Well, let's go back to Wednesday.
Okay.
Wednesday.
There are some theories onlineabout Lurch being the one that
controls it because he has thesame eye.
No.
I don't believe that.
Lurch has always been loyal tothe Addams Family.
Lurch is always just

SPEAKER_02 (33:00):
Lurch.
Sorry.
That's just what that

SPEAKER_00 (33:01):
is.
And then there's other peoplethat are like, why is Thane
always reacting so weird to thezombie?
And I'm like, people thinkingthat Thane could have been the
zombie's original hand.
And I'm like, I think that'sstretching it a bit.
I

SPEAKER_02 (33:12):
don't...
Yeah.
If they go that direction...
I'm not a fan.
Well, because the zombie is aformer student of the school,
and I guess they didn't reallygive us a time frame about when
he was a student, so maybe it'spossible.
But Thing has always been anAddams Family thing.
I

SPEAKER_00 (33:28):
do like that Enid built Thane a little house in
their apartment.

SPEAKER_02 (33:31):
But we know for a fact that Thing was around when
Gomez went to Nevermore, so he'sbeen around with them for a
while.

SPEAKER_00 (33:37):
Do you like it?
I did.

SPEAKER_02 (33:39):
I loved it.
It was perfect.

SPEAKER_00 (33:40):
I do wish we had more Enid Wednesday scenes, but
I think the reason they'reseparating them right now it
makes sense for the plot becauseWednesday had that vision of
Enid dying and she's trying tosave her but and I'm not saying
we need to have romantic scenesbetween them but I love their
friendship it's just a classiccase of you know opposites and I
think that brings out such agood side of like Wednesday that
you don't normally see is herfriendship with Enid and then

(34:02):
it's always funny and creepywhen Wednesday smiles we've seen
her smile for Fester and thenshe smiled with grandma yeah And
it's like, you had to, like,pause the TV.
You're like, ah, she's smiling.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (34:15):
it's weird.
And Jenna Ortega does a greatjob making it creepy and weird.

SPEAKER_00 (34:19):
So, question for you.
Do you think that Tyler can beredeemed?

SPEAKER_02 (34:25):
I mean, anybody...
Yeah, sure, he could be.
I mean, he certainly hadproblems with...
Christina Ricci's character.
Yeah.
So he's clearly not being

SPEAKER_00 (34:37):
controlled.
And he could have actually fullykilled Wednesday.

SPEAKER_02 (34:39):
Yeah, he's

SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
not.
By impaling her and he didn't.

SPEAKER_02 (34:41):
He's not being controlled by her anymore.
He is truly acting on his own

SPEAKER_00 (34:45):
will.
Or Mommy Dearest kicked him offthe thing.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (34:48):
we don't know what happened in there.

SPEAKER_00 (34:49):
Some people think Wednesday is technically
controlling him, but she doesn'trealize it.
I don't agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 (34:53):
No, I don't think that's the case.
Could he be?
Yeah.
Will they?
I don't know.
I don't really know that I care.

SPEAKER_00 (35:00):
I know you

SPEAKER_02 (35:00):
just want it for the ship.

SPEAKER_00 (35:01):
I do.
I like the ship.
So that's it for Wednesday.
Wed-nez-day.

SPEAKER_02 (35:06):
That's spelled Wed-nez-day.
For anybody who's struggling.

SPEAKER_00 (35:12):
Your PSA.
All right, Daniel.
So when you did your soloepisode, you said we were going
to talk about this, and then wejust completely forgot to talk
about it.
But we watched another movie,not at the theater, at home.
a sequel many years in themaking Happy Gilmore 2 and I can
say to you that if Adam Sandlerdid not have that deal with
Netflix we would have seen thisat the theater because I love

(35:35):
the first Happy Gilmore and I dolove a lot of those early stupid
ridiculous Adam Sandler movieslike Billy Madison The Waterboy
of course like OG Happy Gilmorethey're funny I enjoyed them and
yeah we forgot to talk about itnot because it was forgettable
we literally just our brainswere It was exactly what I

(35:57):
thought it was going to be forthe most part.
Ridiculous.
Stupid, hilarious, but a reallynice way to turn off my brain
and enjoy some nostalgia.
That's my review of HappyGilmore 2.

SPEAKER_02 (36:08):
It was better than I thought it was going to be, but
that's because I thought it wasgoing to be terrible.

SPEAKER_00 (36:13):
It was like the first one wasn't good either,
technically, if you're going bythat standard.
That's just such a highbrowopinion to have.
Like, ooh, la, la, la, la, la.
There were always dumb movies,Daniel.
The first one's stupid too.

SPEAKER_02 (36:25):
No, I agree that the first one's stupid, but
sometimes you're going to see astupid movie.
I thought...
They were going to justbasically repeat the first movie
in this movie.
And they did repeat some beats,but they also made some choices.
with some characters and did afew things that were interesting
that I appreciated.

SPEAKER_00 (36:46):
Like the first couple minutes?

SPEAKER_02 (36:47):
Yeah, the first couple minutes.
Let's not spoil this one foreverybody, but within five
minutes, the choice they madewith one character, I was in all
of a sudden because I was like,oh wait, they actually did
something interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (37:00):
That this one character too, Julie Bowen, also
known to most people nowadays asClaire Dunphy from Modern
Family, was working hard forAdam doing all the press tours
and doing more interviews thanHe did to hype the movie up, so
my jaw just about dropped.
What's his...
The guy, Scotty, the one golf...
They had tons of golfers inthere.
Tons of

SPEAKER_03 (37:19):
golfers.

SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
And they were great.
The golfers were great.
Scotty Scheffler?

SPEAKER_03 (37:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:22):
I think he deserves an Oscar for his performance.

SPEAKER_02 (37:26):
The golfers were great.
That was unexpected.
First of all, to have them so...
featured in Center.
And you know those golfers areall guys.
Jack Nicholson was one of them.
Those golfers are all guys thatgrew up, especially the younger
ones, grew up loving HappyGilmore.
And they were just so excited tobe in the movie, but not just to
be in the movie, but at least afew of them were pretty big
characters.

SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
Well, Scotty referenced his arrest that
happened before the golf thingagain, and I didn't realize
that.
And then I remember readingabout him, like, oh, that's the
same guy.
Really, the only one that didn'tshow up was Tiger Woods, but he
did get a mention.
And then what is the guy...
John Daly.
John Daly.
He had like a big role in it.
And just basically played, Ifeel like everyone, I was like,

(38:09):
is he playing an exaggeratedversion of himself?
And everyone's like, no, he wasnot.
I thought it was really funny.
Like I said, lots of goodcallbacks, lots of good
nostalgia.
And sometimes you just need on aFriday night a ridiculous...
nostalgia filled funny movie andI would have not regretted
paying to see that in a theaterwhat about you I

SPEAKER_02 (38:32):
would have been fine like it was the only reason this
movie was of a quality enoughthat the only reason it ended up
on Netflix was because Sam's gotthat deal

SPEAKER_00 (38:42):
and you know that I do love a good redemption
shooter McGavin man

SPEAKER_02 (38:45):
yeah yeah like the things they did with the
characters were not things thatyou like they could have just
phoned it in and made anotherhappy Gilmore 2 and done it
exactly like what you wouldthink a happy Gilmore 2 would be

SPEAKER_00 (38:56):
and from my understanding they did have to
do some rewrites because umwhat's the actor's name Apollo
Creed

SPEAKER_03 (39:02):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (39:02):
who was in it what is his name is it Carl Carl
Weathers Carl Weathers like hewas supposed to have like a
pretty big role in it like andeven though I'm pretty sure he
like died at the end of thefirst one but I think he was
gonna be like an angel orsomething and they kind of had
to like rewrite that whole thingbut yeah like the people that
were like that are criticizinghappy Gilmore for being stupid
I'm like did you watch the firstone

SPEAKER_02 (39:22):
yeah Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:23):
Did you watch that one?
All right.
So we know how much everybodyloves superhero movies.
Why are you looking at me likethat?

SPEAKER_02 (39:33):
We watched the Fantastic Four.

SPEAKER_00 (39:35):
Why are you pausing dramatically?
I

SPEAKER_02 (39:37):
don't know.
It's just funny for dramaticeffect.

SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
Okay.
You're being weird.
Should we restart that overagain?
Are you good?
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (39:45):
good.
Talk about the Fantastic Four.

SPEAKER_00 (39:47):
All right.
We also saw another movie.
We finally got to see theFantastic Four.
Is it called?
The official title, theFantastic Four First Steps?

SPEAKER_02 (39:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:56):
Is that what it's called?
I don't

SPEAKER_02 (39:57):
know why it needed a subtitle.

SPEAKER_00 (39:59):
Everyone's just going to call it Fantastic Four.
We took our nephews to see it.
We went to the fancy theater,which I've got to call you out
for this.
What is wrong with you?
You are, again, back to theFrosties.
Please

SPEAKER_02 (40:10):
be more specific.

SPEAKER_00 (40:11):
You are so...
Just in general.
You are so set.
You're so weird.
Like my favorite thing aboutgoing when I don't have to be at
our little theater around here,as I know, like when I've seen
movies at like the AMC Theaterin Disney Springs and then over
at Regal, usually of myhometown.

(40:31):
And they didn't have these seatswhen I was growing up in my
hometown.
This is new.
The reclining seats are socomfortable.
I love being able to recline.
One thing.
I can't sit in the seat at ourtheater without my feet
dangling.
So it's never comfortable forthat.
And if somebody sits in front ofme, I can't rest my feet on the
seat in front of me.

(40:52):
So major, major vibe killer.
And I think the seats at ourtheater, they do need to be
shampooed a little bit.
But I love getting to recline toget cozy, to get comfy.
I have plenty of space in myseat because they're clearly
meant for big people, right?
Like there's plenty of space.
Like I could fit probablyanother Hope with me in the seat
if I wanted to.
I look over.
Daniel's not reclined at all.

(41:14):
You didn't recline once duringthe movie.
And I was like, do you know howto recline?
Because I had to ask my nephewthe first time I took him.
I think I'd been there beforewith the reclining seats, but it
had been several years.
I was like, Gavin, which buttondo I press to recline when I
took him to see Wicked?
And he was laughing at me.
So I'm like, do you know how todo it?
And you're like, no, I justdon't want to.
Are you just intentionally beingstubborn or do you really not

(41:34):
like to recline?
What is the matter with you?

SPEAKER_02 (41:37):
I do not want to participate in this ridiculous
trend of people thinking thatthey have to go to the movie
theater and be like, just lax intheir lazy boy.
I'm there to watch the movie.

SPEAKER_00 (41:49):
Yeah, and it makes my movie watching experience
better that my feet aren'tdangling off the seat and that I
can recline and be in acomfortable position.
Maybe you're just tallest.
You just don't understand shortpeople.
But I would go, you didn't eventry to recline.
And now you did tell me, you'relike, I just, and apparently
Apparently, it could be the mostexciting movie ever, and you

(42:10):
said that the last time you werethere and tried to recline, you
almost fell asleep because youget too comfortable.
You're so weird.
I

SPEAKER_02 (42:18):
have almost fallen asleep on a Disney ride.

SPEAKER_00 (42:21):
No, we were in line for the Meet Mickey, and you
were leaning against the wall,and I said, wake up.

SPEAKER_02 (42:26):
So are you doubting me that I could recline in one
of those seats at the theaterand almost fall asleep?

SPEAKER_00 (42:31):
You should be medicated.
I

SPEAKER_02 (42:34):
am, but...

SPEAKER_00 (42:37):
try it.
You're so...
I don't like it.
I don't want it.
You're so stubborn.
I want

SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
my old

SPEAKER_00 (42:41):
crappy seat.

SPEAKER_02 (42:42):
You're like, get off my lawn.
I want the old crappy seat withgum underneath it that smells
like cigarettes and I want tosit there and I want to watch
the movie sitting straight uplike an American.

SPEAKER_00 (42:53):
No, I like to recline and be cozy.
I mean, for goodness sake,except Wicked, we just bought,
because Gavin and I bought allthe merch.
Well, I bought all the merch andI bought us those pillows and I
was like, well, how's this goingto be functional?
I almost want to brain it everytime I go to the because it made
it even more cozy to hold mylittle Glinda pillow.
I was eyeing a Superman pillowthat they had, but I thought,

(43:14):
you know, I'm seeing a FantasticFour, a different type of movie.
But the whole time I keptlooking over, and I kept waiting
for Daniel to recline, and thenhe just wouldn't.
I think part of you is you'rejust a stubborn man.
So

SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
Fantastic Four, what did you think?

SPEAKER_00 (43:31):
I thought it was great.
I really like this new trendthat we're doing.
of not giving origin stories.
We didn't get the origin storybefore Superman.
enjoyed that I know that's DCdifferent movie company but I
didn't need to see I've alreadyseen an origin story for
Fantastic Four we saw the onesfrom 2005 that was my
introduction to them I did notsee the ones with Miles Teller

(43:53):
Kate Mara and Michael B Jordan Iheard that one was comically
awful which is interesting to mebecause that's a really good
cast but whole other story Ialready know who the Fantastic
Four are and they basically theykind of did it almost in a
similar way with Superman butyou know not quite where just
this first couple minutes showyou know what what like a little
reel about the fantastic I thinkit was like a set like an
anniversary of like forsomething for the Fantastic Four

(44:14):
so you already you know see howthey got their powers what
they've been up to everything'sgoing on I didn't have to watch
Sue Storm and Mr.
Fantastic like Reed Richardsthat's his name I didn't have to
watch them finally get togetherlike they were already together
like she's like already you knowit opens with her being pregnant
They're already established.
I don't need...
I'm at this point where I'mlike, I don't want another...

(44:35):
Because to me, it almost seemslike a waste of time.
Just jump in, give me the plot,give me everything.
Definitely, it's the bestFantastic Four movie that I've
seen.
We saw the one in 2005, and Ithink the other one was 2007.

SPEAKER_02 (44:46):
Somewhere in that time

SPEAKER_00 (44:48):
frame, yeah.
And I didn't hate those movies.
No, I

SPEAKER_02 (44:52):
didn't hate those movies

SPEAKER_00 (44:53):
either.
I think, like you said, theywere going up against Spider-Man
at the time, so it was hard tocompete.
And like I said, I didn't seethe other ones.
I had a lot of high expectationsfor Fantastic Four.
And I wouldn't say it exceededmy expectations.
But pretty much, looking back, Ithink it met them.
It was a really good movie.
It's hard to come off Supermanand watch that one because the

(45:15):
vibe is totally different.
I felt like Superman, yes, ithad that emotional speech, but
it was...
I'd say it was more like a fun,summer, blockbuster, popcorn-y
movie than what Fantastic Fourwas, if that makes any sense.
No, I agree.
Fantastic Four, the stakes werea lot higher.
It was very emotional, and itdid have fun, jokey moments, but

(45:35):
I didn't leave feeling the sameway as I left Superman and even
Thunderbolts.
that I left Fantastic Four, butthat doesn't mean that I didn't
enjoy it.
It was just the vibe between allthose three, those big three
superhero movies, the vibes aredifferent for each of them, and
I could make cases of why one isbetter than the other.
you know in general but yeah Ireally liked it I felt like I've

(45:57):
never gotten to see how powerfulSue Storm is until this one I'm
not saying Jessica Alba did abad job with the role she you
know did what she was given butI felt like you really got to
see like wow Sue Storm might bethe most powerful of all of them

SPEAKER_02 (46:10):
she was more more the main character of this movie
than any of the other fantastic

SPEAKER_00 (46:15):
four Joseph Quinn continues to impress me I my
first was introduced to him onyour favorite show Stranger
Things as Eddie but he is a verygood actor and I felt like
Johnny Storm we finally got tosee what I feel just from the
vibe I've gotten on TikTok withsome hardcore Fantastic Four
fans we finally got to seeJohnny Storm presented in the

(46:36):
way he was.
Chris Evans, great actor, but hereally leaned into the whole
womanizing thing.
And you still had that, but youalso got to see how smart and
funny and how caring.
And I think Joseph Quinn didgreat.
I think he stole the show for meif I had to pick.
And then, of course, I can'tremember the actor's name, but

(46:56):
Cousin from The Bear thatplayed...
Ben

SPEAKER_02 (47:01):
or The Thing.

SPEAKER_00 (47:01):
Or Ben or The Thing.
It was great.
Obviously, Pedro Pascal, Ithought he was really good.
I thought he did a really goodjob emphasizing how scientific
Reed Richards is to a pointwhere sometimes he says the
wrong thing.
That's part of Reed Richards'personality.
He just says the scientificthing, the logical thing, and

(47:24):
doesn't really take intoconsideration feelings.
And that clearly can be aconflict in his marriage with
Sue because we have the wholeplot about basically...

SPEAKER_02 (47:34):
My boss wants to buy my baby.

SPEAKER_00 (47:35):
Yeah.
What is the Galactus?
Galactus.
That's the villain.
And he's basically saying, Iwon't destroy your earth if you
give me your baby.
So they have that whole mission.
They come back down.
And he just tells everybody intheir press conference, he's
like, and we said no and I'mlike it's clear to me that
you're not on the other earthwith the other people because
they would all have been likeyou know F them kids and like

(47:56):
who would have been going afterthat baby and I'm just like from
my PR brain like what are youdoing Silver Surfer Julia
Gardner is that her name fromOzark I wish we could have seen
I would have liked to have seenmore of her I feel like there
and people have said that thereare some scenes that were in the
trailer that were cut I feellike there's some footage that
was on the cutting room floorthat I would have liked to see
more of but that was I thoughtshe was a good not really

(48:19):
villain but you know

SPEAKER_02 (48:20):
antagonist

SPEAKER_00 (48:21):
antagonist um i really enjoyed it i didn't
expect to cry i definitely crieduh they had you there at the

SPEAKER_02 (48:29):
end like i thought yeah they drew that out

SPEAKER_00 (48:32):
i'm not gonna fully go into what happens but i
really thought like oh wow

SPEAKER_02 (48:36):
well so they they drew it out to the point where
because okay because let's let'slike everybody i know me you
know me yeah i walked into thismovie knowing exactly what
happens at the end and

SPEAKER_00 (48:47):
like the post credit scenes They do, because you have
no chill.

SPEAKER_02 (48:50):
They drew that out at the very end of the movie
long enough that I'm like, did Imisunderstand what I was seeing
in the post-credit

SPEAKER_00 (48:57):
scene?
Because they kept going, and Iwas like...
You thought maybe it was reallygoing to happen.

SPEAKER_02 (49:00):
Wait, wait.
But they pulled it back.

SPEAKER_00 (49:02):
The post-credit scene was great.
It definitely sets up Doomsday,which is, I believe, that is the
next Marvel project, correct?
And we get to learn, and I'vesince done some Googling about
how powerful baby Franklin is.
Clearly powerful enough toresuscitate another being.
You could

SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
almost say that this movie was, in fact, a...
origin story, just not of theFantastic Four, but

SPEAKER_00 (49:21):
of Franklin Richards.
Maybe, maybe.
I think that scene at the end ofThunderbolts, that post-credits
scene where you see theFantastic Four ship, I feel like
originally people thought thatmaybe they were leaving their
Earth to come.
I don't think that, I think theonly person related to the
Fantastic Four is Franklin, andI think it's Franklin and Doctor

(49:43):
Doom.

SPEAKER_02 (49:43):
On that ship.

SPEAKER_00 (49:44):
Yeah, I agree with you.
And I think we're going to havethe other members of Fantastic
Four trying to jump earths tocome find them because they like
their world their earth lookslike they're in the 60s are they
necessarily and I'm a littledoesn't matter

SPEAKER_02 (49:56):
don't worry about it don't think about it that

SPEAKER_00 (49:58):
I do like in terms of aesthetic vibes really
reminded me of Disney'scontemporary resort their hotel
which I love at one point youlooked at me you're like this is
the music from Tomorrowland andI'm pretty sure you're right
because if it's not it soundsexactly like

SPEAKER_01 (50:11):
it's not

SPEAKER_00 (50:11):
I liked all of that I thought the costuming was good
I thought like I said I thoughteverybody did a great job it was
just it was hard to come off ofsuperman and then see this
because it was such a differenttone and movie but it wasn't
like dark and depressing in thatin the way some other marvel
projects have been like yes itwas emotional it just When I say
popcorn, I'm not demeaningSuperman.

(50:34):
Superman, I came out like, oh,woohoo, so much fun with all the
music.
Whereas this one, I came outthinking, all right, what's next
for Marvel?
What's going on?
How are we going to get frompoint A to point B?
So that's kind of my thing onit.
I'll let you talk about it, andthen we can rank them.

SPEAKER_02 (50:51):
I'm pretty similar to you.
I enjoyed the movie.
I thought it was good.
I'm...
it's really difficult for me tosay this is the last movie
before the Avengers Doomsday andgo, am I excited for Avengers
Doomsday?
Because sure.
But then I also have to, I can'tignore all the other casting
information that we've heardabout Avengers Doomsday.

SPEAKER_00 (51:13):
We're getting another cast announcement too.

SPEAKER_02 (51:15):
Yeah.
And so it's like, if I feel likeI'm worried about Doomsday a
little bit.

SPEAKER_00 (51:23):
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (51:24):
worried about it because I'm worried that...
I think one thing you said to meabout the Fantastic Four, and I
agree, was this is the firstMarvel movie in a long time that
you could just walk into, andthis is your first Marvel movie,
and you would understand what isgoing

SPEAKER_00 (51:39):
on.
You don't have to watch any ofthe shows, any of the movies.
You could walk in, and likeThunderbolts, you have to
understand stuff.
This is one you could buy aticket, not know anything about
Marvel, and enjoy this movie.
And

SPEAKER_02 (51:48):
I'm...
If this was leading intoDoomsday and it was essentially
almost going to be an extensionof this movie, similar to how
the Avengers, the first Avengersmovie was an extension of just
the small handful of moviesgoing in, I think it would make
more sense.
But the cast already announced,plus the potential another round
of casting announcements and therumors of all the people that

(52:11):
they're not going to announceand just going to let fly out
there.
has me a little worried aboutthat movie being a mess.

SPEAKER_00 (52:17):
Supposedly Robert Downey Jr.
actually was on set as Dr.
Doom for that first creditscene.
That also, I

SPEAKER_02 (52:22):
have my own thoughts about all of that.
There's a whole lot of theory.
Maybe that's for another day.
I'm not in board with it, if anyof that stuff is true.
I'm still, let me put it thisway.
They're going to have to proveto me that Robert Downey Jr.
as Doom is the correct choice.
But this movie was good.
I liked it a lot.
I think it was probably a brightspot in, I mean, I didn't

(52:44):
enjoyed Thunderbolts too andwe'll get to that in a minute
but I think this was a brightspot in what's been up and down
in Marvel movies over the pastcouple years

SPEAKER_00 (52:53):
excellent assessment I think that definitely Franklin
is going to be a huge part ofDoomsday and that's why they
chose to tie it in withFantastic Four I think that's
got to be it I think

SPEAKER_02 (53:06):
if the rumors about what happens in the Avengers
movie after Doomsday the SecretWars movie where essentially
that's going to end with a bigreset I think that's I think
Franklin might be the key to allthat, too.
Because he's, like, superpowerful.
I

SPEAKER_00 (53:19):
really hope that they announce Wanda in the next
set.
Please.
Don't hold your breath.
You know that they're going tokill my babies.
Like, Loki is coming back.
Bucky's going to be in there.
And I just know.
I'm going to have to roll up toKevin Feige's house and be like,
what are you doing?
Like, he just always gets rid ofmy favorite characters.
It's super annoying.
Um, but I think definitelypeople in terms of like movie

(53:40):
prices, superhero fatigue,because Superman's not doing as
well at the box office as Ithought it would, because, you
know, that's what I think ofsuperheroes.
I think of three as like theheavy hitters before I knew
anything about Marvel.
I think of Batman, Superman, andthen Spider-Man, which
Spider-Man is Marvel.
Like those are the three.
And I felt like that would makemore than it did.
So I think it's a combination oflike somebody, I watched this
whole TikTok where this guy waslike, are we at a place in time

(54:03):
where, um, you know, that, thatera of everybody, you know,
being the superhero movie, thenext big thing to watch isn't,
isn't a thing anymore.
I don't know.
We'll see.
I, I still like it.
I still want to watch them.
I'm excited, but I do think thatpeople have fatigue and I think
Marvel fatigue is big right now.

SPEAKER_02 (54:21):
Sure.
Oh yeah.
And totally understandable frommy perspective.
Like I get it, especially thissecond at the post end game
world where like, if you're notpaying attention to what's going
on on Disney plus, you're goingto be missing out.
and some stuff and not everybodywants to commit

SPEAKER_00 (54:35):
to that kind of stuff.
And I went to a movie with oneof my friends when we saw the
most recent Ant-Man and I had tolike lean in and explain to her
a lot of stuff that she did notknow because she didn't watch
like the Loki show.
She's like, what is this?
What is going on?
I also think you can't convinceme like, is it Kane in Disney?

SPEAKER_03 (54:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:52):
In the Marvel stuff, like he was supposed to play a
bigger role and clearly they'vehad to do some rewrites for
that.
So that's again, that's not onthem.
We'll see.
So Daniel, when it comes to,because again, counting now I
don't think Thunderbolts wasafter Memorial Day but we're
just still going to count it asa summer superhero movie we've
got Thunderbolts we haveSuperman and we have the

(55:14):
Fantastic Four your job is torank them personally what appeal
to you personally but then howyou would rank them for an
average moviegoer because I havedifferent rankings if that makes
sense would you like me to gofirst this

SPEAKER_02 (55:31):
pains me

SPEAKER_00 (55:32):
Do you want me to go first?
No, I'll go.
Okay, go.

SPEAKER_02 (55:34):
No, I'm monologuing.
Okay, I see.
This pains me to my very core.
But it's Superman Fantastic FourThunderbolts.

SPEAKER_00 (55:44):
for you personally

SPEAKER_02 (55:45):
yes

SPEAKER_00 (55:46):
really because that's not you what's really
interesting is that you putthunderbolts in the three slot
when we talked about supermanyou said you like thunderbolts
better than superman

SPEAKER_02 (55:55):
but i've had time to think about it and i change my
mind all the time and i am sonot only did you bump just um
inconsistent from day to daywhich

SPEAKER_00 (56:04):
i guess so so that's your personal and what you think
for everybody else

SPEAKER_02 (56:09):
Yeah, I think so.
I think Thunderbolts is threejust because of the three
movies, that is the one where ifyou aren't keeping up day to day
with Marvel, that one's going toconfuse you versus Fantastic
Four and Superman.
Both are movies where I thinkthe general person who doesn't
know anything about comic bookmovies can walk in and pretty
much understand what's

SPEAKER_00 (56:27):
going on.
So again, I have you for youpersonally, not for other
people.
You're still putting Superman inyour top slot, even though you
are a perpetual known Supermanhater.

UNKNOWN (56:36):
Correct.

SPEAKER_00 (56:36):
And you said literally like two weeks ago on
the podcast or three weeks agothat you would that you like
Thunderbolts better thanSuperman.

SPEAKER_01 (56:43):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (56:43):
You've had time to ruminate on.
All right.
I guess everybody can.
What is it?
What is the great rock?
Everybody can change.
Everybody can change.
I feel like for everybody in thegeneral audience that Superman
is the best of the three.
I think that you it was fun.
Perfect popcorn movie.
It's a movie that you're goingto feel good.
Soundtrack is great.
And then I'm going to.

(57:05):
be like you when that putFantastic Four in the next slot
and then Thunderbolts.
I feel like to really likeThunderbolts, you have to know
who Yelena is.
You have to know who Bucky is.
You kind of have to have, youhad to watch the Disney Plus
shows, some of them along withsome of the movies to really
understand all these characters.
So I don't think, I think if youwere a casual movie person,
you'd be like, what?
I don't understand.

(57:25):
I'm so confused as to what'sgoing on in Thunderbolts.
And then when it comes to mepersonally, I don't know.
I really feel like I need tore-watch the Thunderbolts when
it Hopefully it'll be on DisneyPlus soon because I love
Thunderbolts.
It was a great movie.
I loved it.
I thought it was a great look atmental health.
I have a soft spot.
Bucky's one of my favoriteMarvel characters right up there

(57:45):
with Loki.
I love Yelena.
I thought it was hilarious andso funny, and I laughed so much,
and I really wish it was gettingmore love.
Oh, it's just so hard for mebecause it pains me like it does
you, too.

SPEAKER_02 (58:00):
I don't know.
By the way, me saying thatSuperman is in that number one
spot doesn't pain me because I'mlike...
I'm not engaged in this DC vs.
Marvel war that everybody elseis really interested in.
I don't care.
It was a good, fun movie.
Then why did it pay you?
Because I'm not a Superman fan.

(58:21):
I never have been a Supermanfan.
Superman is a problematic herofor me because of how good he
is.
The flawlessness of him is aproblem for me.
But I did enjoy that movie and Ithought overall it did a really
good job with what it was tryingto accomplish.

SPEAKER_00 (58:39):
It was fun.
think I'm honestly to make myfinal decision I might have to
go back and rewatch them all butit's oh it's so close I really
did like Thunderbolts though somuch I think I might take the
unpopular opinion and goThunderbolts Superman Fantastic
Four but they could easily winthe brain of hope which changes
all the time they could easilybe interchangeable that's how

(59:00):
much I like Thunderbolts Youguys, as I just, but I, again,
putting aside my personalthings, I go Superman, Fantastic
Four, Thunderbolts.
They were just, each movie hadits own vibe.
Two, three, and you know what?
I'm happy that we had threegreat superhero movies to enjoy
this summer and that they allthree made me feel different

(59:20):
things and that I enjoyed themall.

SPEAKER_02 (59:22):
Same here.
Okay, so last week we promisedyou Hope did watch a show on
Netflix by herself, The HuntingWives.

SPEAKER_00 (59:32):
Yes.
Recommended to me by you.
I

SPEAKER_02 (59:35):
recommend shows to you all the time that I have no
intention of watching.

SPEAKER_00 (59:39):
You were like, hey, I've heard this show's crazy and
weird and like really trashy.
And I'm like, no, no, say nomore.
Yeah, it seemed like

SPEAKER_02 (59:47):
exactly to me what I saw on TikTok was like exactly
the kind of show you'd beinterested.
So I was like, hey, watch this.

SPEAKER_00 (59:53):
And I did see one clip of it.
Where I'm like on TikTok and I'mlike, okay, this might not be a
show about wives whose husbandshunch.
They're hunting wives.
So.
It's based on a book, which Idid not know.
And now I want to read the book.
I hate that I watched the showbefore the book.
I want to read the book nowbecause I'm sure the books, I
heard the books like even moreinsane.

(01:00:14):
And these, it's in Texas, asmall town in Texas, which I
guess they filmed some of thisin Charlotte, North Carolina,
like some of the exteriors fromthe homes.
Kaylin, if you're listening, didyou see any production from this
show?
I want to know.
Any of my other, I think there'sother people in the Charlotte
area.
Did you see this?
They must film a lot of stuff inCharlotte sometimes because I
know they do a lot of homeworkThey

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:35):
always film shows set in one place in another
place when they could haveeasily just filmed in the place
that it was set to begin

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:41):
with.
Ready Night Lights actually didfilm in Texas.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:43):
It always annoyed me that they made a Mothman movie
and they filmed it inPennsylvania instead of Point
Pleasant,

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:52):
West Virginia.
Yeah, but that would ruin ourtraffic and our tiny, our one
street town.
Well, I didn't live in PointPleasant when they did that
movie,

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:58):
so I didn't care.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:59):
Okay, anyway.
This show is, it checks all theboxes.
It is trashy, but like in a goodway.
There are bad wigs, which Ithink we talked about wigs in
the last episode.
Do you wear

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:10):
wigs?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:11):
But it's just, it all fits.
It's, Brittany Snow is in this.
She's known for John Tucker MustDie, a little show called
American Dreams that I used towatch when I was in high school.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:22):
She's also a bastard from the North.
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:25):
Because of her last name, Snow.
No.
You know her from Pitch Perfect.
It's a joke.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:30):
It's a Game of Thrones

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:30):
joke.
I know that.
I'm choosing to ignore it.
I don't know how to pronounceher name.
Mylon something.
She plays kind of the main...
I think Brittany Snow was sortof the main character, Sophie.
But then she plays like...
Marjorie.
I think they call her Marjorie.
Maggie is what her family callsher, but I think it's like

(01:01:51):
Marjorie of the show.
Whatever.
I just know her as like, oh,that's like the main, like Mrs.
Banks.
I'm Mrs.
Banks.
The accents aren't great either,by the way, people.
She is in 27 Dresses.
That's where I mostly know herfrom.
She's done other movies, but asyou did point out and you were
correct.
I knew her from Watchmen.
From Watchmen.
So she's done a lot of likemovie type roles.

(01:02:11):
But this is the first time Ifeel like I've seen her on a TV
show.
So it's got those two are kindof the leads.
Super Gavin shows up, DermotMcGroney, whatever, the fancy
man.
He plays a rich guy running forgovernor in Texas.
So we've got Sophie.
She moves to this Texas townwith her husband.
Her husband is an architect.
He's working for Jed.

(01:02:31):
That is Marjorie's husband.
She...
It kicks things off right away.
They're like, we're going to afundraiser.
She's like, what's thefundraiser for?
It's for an NRA party.
Cannot make this up.
We find out too that Sophie, herhusband, won't let her drive.

(01:02:52):
She's not allowed to drinkbecause of a dark secret from
her past, which it turns out shewas really drunk and had a hit
and run and killed a person.
She's kind of been reallyrestricted on lockdown.
She really takes she meets Mrs.
Banks I gotta look up make sureher name is Marjorie on the show

(01:03:14):
before I call her the wrong namethe whole time so I'm gonna do
that really quick you talk aboutwhat you've seen when you would
walk in on me watching TheHunting Wives while I look this
up

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:23):
nudity mostly nudity yeah a lot of nudity it seems

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:28):
Margo see it's a good thing I looked it up not
Marjorie Margo Banks her familycousin Maggie that makes more
sense now I knew it wasn'tMarjorie I was like that sounds
too old Margo Margot.
I don't know, Margot.
margo

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:41):
it seems like every time it doesn't matter what show
you're watching if there's alove scene or nudity and i'm not
watching the show i happen towalk by all that stuff's on

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:54):
watching the hunting wives come on which they first
meet in the bathroom at the nraparty and margo like it's like
hey do you have a tampon andchloe or no do you have a pad
and chloe's like no or not chloewhy am i calling her chloe
sophie i need to get my namesright Sophie's like, no, I only
have tampons.
And she's like, oh, I can't weartampons.

(01:04:15):
And then she takes her dressoff.
So, like, boobs, first episode,right out of the gates.
And just, like, takes herclothes off in front of Sophie
in this bathroom and puts, like,some toilet paper in her
panties.
And then they go out to theparty together.
And she's like, I like you.
We should hang out.
And they start hanging out.
They go, like, they have, like,a cabin house or something.

(01:04:37):
Sophie clearly decides she'sgoing to start drinking.
She buys a gun.
They go boar hunting.
It's like a whole thing.
She kind of meets the otherfriend group.
Callie is married to the sheriffin town.
Those two clearly have alavender marriage.
And basically we find out thatMargo is a wild woman.
She's doing the high school kid,Brad.
who also has a girlfriend whothat this is relevant um she's

(01:05:01):
also she and her husband likeshe they like they bring
prostitutes home and like hookup with them she but supposedly
her and her husband's rule isthat she can only like hook up
with other women not men so hedoesn't know about the brad
thing but she and callie arehooking up even and he knows
about that she's like i had towhen he decides he's gonna run
for governor she's like i had tobreak things off with callie and
he's like weren't you gonna dothat anyway because she's like a

(01:05:23):
stage one cleaner and she's likeyeah and then she and Sophie
clearly have like a vibe andthey eventually you know hook up
so she's just getting down anddirty with everybody like
everybody's very drawn to herand I feel like Sophie is very
drawn to her because she's beenso like I don't like Sophie's
husband either but she's been sokind of like what am I saying
not repulsed restricted like herpersonality, like because of

(01:05:47):
everything she went through,like she wasn't, like she's just
been kind of living this lifewhere she's not really doing
much.
And I think that's part of it,part of their draw.
But then you find out later inthe series that Sophie had
hooked up with her femaleroommate and I guess said that
she loved her female roommateduring it.
And then her roommate likebrings it up and she's like, oh

(01:06:07):
no, I was drunk.
And then suddenly she decides togo to a party with what is her
then husband.
So I think she's clearly hassome repressed sexual desires,
if you will.
I think you could

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:21):
sum that show up with that statement.
A bunch of people with somerepressed sexual desires.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:25):
They're not repressive.
They're all acting on them.
They're doing

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:28):
it in secret.
None of them feel like they canbe out in the open with

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:33):
this.
Part of it, the whole thing isthat they're in Texas.
They like the guns.
They're pro-life.
And then one of the big plotpoints comes up to be later
abortion.
Nancy Grace shows up on theshow,

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:47):
y'all.
When you told me that, you saidNancy Grace.
I said, oh, like an actress?
I thought you were sayingsomebody playing a Nancy
Grace-like character to thepoint where it basically was
Nancy Grace.
But no, It was actually

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:00):
Nancy Grace.
I had to pause the show.
I was like, oh, my gosh, NancyGrace.
So they have a creepy youthpastor, Pastor Pete, the whole
thing.
So we go back to Brad.
That's the high school boy.
They made it a point to say he's18 like 50 times.
I'm like, I bet this startedbefore he was 18, though.
And his girlfriend, Abby.
And at first, I thought by thefirst couple episodes, they show

(01:07:22):
this blonde woman getting shot.
in the woods.
And I thought it was Sophie,Brittany Snow's character.
I think that was intentional.
A little bit of a mess aroundbecause it is later revealed
very early on, but it's revealedthat it is Abby Jackson.
So we have the death of thisgirl.
We're trying to figure out who,who, who done it basically at
one point they have.
And again, we are a spoilerpodcast.

(01:07:43):
Please jump to the next episodeand go watch this trashy,
amazing show.
Here's your warning.
So, again, we have this thingthat comes up where Sophie can't
find her gun after one night ofdoing Xanax and partying and
drinking.
And she's like, where's my gun?
And Margo, I think, had like shewas also, you know, hooking up

(01:08:05):
with Brad at the same time.
They had another high school boyover there.
She and Sophie hooked up thisnight.
It's a whole thing.
So we find out eventually wherethey found a murder weapon.
in the case and it's the gunthat Sophie bought and her
husband's like you bought a gunand put it in our house and
didn't tell me about it he'slike you don't even know how to
use a gun and she's like yeahwell he's like that's crazy um

(01:08:29):
so she gets framed for themurder of Abby like we all and
then there's later as we weregetting towards the end of it
there's actual even footage ofher talking to Abby in the woods
which if they get a season twoI'm gonna need this addressed
they're saying that she wasblackout crazy not trying to
remember I kind of figured whothe murderer was or I thought it
was Margo.
I was right.

(01:08:50):
But they they end up thinkingbecause they make you they do
the classic case of they wantyou to think maybe it could have
been Brad.
I never thought it was Brad.
Maybe it could have been Brad'scrazy mother, Jill.
Insane.
This woman, this is where itreally like she is.
Talk about mom, like the boymoms are never going to beat the

(01:09:11):
allegations with women likeJill.
Talk about creepy.
I can't even talk about whenthey have a flashback where her
son is born, what she did whenshe started breastfeeding But
she walks in on him in theshower when he's 18-year-old.
And she's like, oh, it's nothingI haven't seen before.
She kisses him on the lips.
It's creepy.
The whole vibe is weird.
And you know that she doesn'tlike Abby.

(01:09:31):
I was like, they want you tothink that Jill did it, which
means she didn't.
But Jill did kill Abby's motherbecause Abby's mother showed up
with a rifle at Jill's houseready to shoot her in And then
Callie ends up shooting Jillbecause Margo and Callie walk
over to figure out because theystart suspecting that Jill is

(01:09:53):
the one that was the killer.
And they walk in and they findStar, Abby's mom, dead on the
floor.
And then Jill's like, she aimsto try to shoot Margo.
Margo and then Callie shootsher.
And then right as Jill's dying,she's like, you cunts.
I had to stop and pause theepisode there as well.

(01:10:15):
I feel like it was like one inthe morning at this point.
You didn't know this, did you?
So it's just that element of it.
And then we find out that it wasMargo because guess what?
They make you think that Abbyhad had an abortion from Brad.
We find out all alone.
The reason why she couldn't weartampons at the beginning of that

(01:10:36):
first episode was because shehad had an abortion.
And Abby knew about it.
And she killed her in the woodsabout it.
And, like, I really think thatMargo was, like, a sociopath.
Like she's just insane and verymanipulative of everything, but
also just such a characterpeople are drawn to.
So Sophie finds out all this, asfar as I know, she never goes to

(01:10:56):
the cops or anything.
It just kind of ends.
Like, I don't even, honestly, Ican't, I don't even remember
like exactly how it ended.
Like, cause she's, I don't, Ireally don't, I'm trying to
think, I don't think Sophie goesto the cops for it at all.
They got

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:09):
to leave that door open for season

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:10):
two.
I guess so.
Maybe like I really, and thecops are very unhelpful.
Like they were just trying topin it on, Sophie anyway but we
had this they also tried to makeyou think it was the pastor
which turns out the pastor wascreepy and it had been kidnapped
one girl that they said wasmissing at the beginning of the
season she had been living inhis basement for like six months
and he was the one that shot oneof the other cops and then he

(01:11:31):
captured Abby's friend so thatwas like a whole red flag and
they're like oh well maybe hekilled Abby no so there was a
lot of elements murder mysterylike you know doing it a lot
guns And Nancy Grace.
It just, it was, was it badaccents, but it was one of those

(01:11:52):
episodes shows where everyepisode I was like, I was ready
to click play on the next.
Like it was that good.
Thank you for recommending it tome.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:00):
Wow.
That was weird.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:02):
It was really weird, but so good.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:07):
Okay, well, that brings us around to a couple
things we've been watching.
Of course, everybody here isaware we've been watching The
Summer I Turned Vulcan.
I mean, The Summer I TurnedPretty and Star Trek Strange New
Worlds.
Both of those just got oneepisode over the last week that
we've watched.
Anything in particular youwanted to point out about one of
those two

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:26):
shows?
Yes, it was the best episode ofThe Summer I Turned Pretty to
date.
We finally got Conrad's point ofview, and...
team jellyfish y'all cookedbecause you even watched a
little bit with me and you werelike oh she needs to be with
Conrad You said that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:42):
Did I?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:43):
Okay.
And so it was a great episode.
It's clear to me who Belly has aconnection with.
I do not like the thought ofDenise and Steven getting
together, but I'm sure theywill.
But I've hoped that Steven andTaylor will be in-game.
And it was just really nice tofinally see Conrad's point of
view, not to see these uselessside plots.
Because again, I don't wantfiller episodes in short
seasons.

(01:13:04):
Strange New Worlds...
Great.
Loved it.
We had the whole Leon and Spockkiss.
They absolutely addressed that.
Chapel knows about it.
So we got ourselves a littleawkward love square thing going
on.
And all those people had to workon a mission together.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:18):
And you loved it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:19):
And I loved every second of it.
And I'm just excited for moreStar Trek.
Did you have anythingparticularly exciting?
The only thing I wanted to saywas I am

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:28):
interested.
The way they're keeping CaptainPatel's story going instead of
just putting that away and goingmoving forward is interesting to
me.
It does feel like they'reweaving that story towards a
big...
I don't know what it's going tobe.
It's been a really good throughplot.
Yeah, but it's a through plotthat they've kept going.
And this episode in particular,I think, really added a level of

(01:13:51):
intrigue to it.
Absolutely.
With, like, why does thisancient being that was trapped
in this temple suddenly knowthat she's got a Gorn inside of
her?
Like, that is intriguing, andI'm interested to see how it
plays out.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:05):
My complaint for that opener episode was, well,
they tied that up with a neatbow, but they didn't.
And they're really going for it.
And, yeah, I'm excited for thatas well.
You know what I'm not excitedfor?
What's that?
Bachelor in Paradise.
Same.
This season, it's just a mess.
Now that they're in the gameportion of it, we've lost some
of the Goldens.
I can't even remember who, Ithink Leslie and Gary left.

(01:14:29):
It's just.
Yeah, because Gary doesn't knowhow

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:31):
to gamble and so he lost it for himself.
All

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:34):
the men are absolutely terrible except for
some of the goldens.
It's just, and now that you havethe game element, I'm going to
complain about it forever.
I miss the Krusty Beach.
Bachelor in Paradise was myfavorite of the Bachelor shows
and we had a year off from itand this is the product that
they give me coming back.
Each episode, I feel, is gettingmore and more painful to watch

(01:14:55):
and if it's painful for me towatch it must just be
excruciating for you it's

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:59):
pretty bad I'm

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:00):
gonna probably watch it tonight though perfect match
on Netflix season 3 leaps andbounds above it I think you even
agreed with me you haven'treally been watching it so much
better but again all the men arehorrible and I just have a
something to say men do betterI'm tired of you guys like all
these beautiful women cryingover these horrible men it makes
me physically sick

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:20):
maybe the good ones are just not participating in
these shows

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:24):
So far, Freddie and Ray are the only good men from
Perfect Match.
The finale of Perfect Match willair this Friday because Netflix
kind of has been...
They'll even break up theirreality shows like that now,
which is super annoying.
But speaking of the best realityshow...
Wait,

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:42):
so you're going to announcements.
We forgot to do somethingearlier, so now I have to do it
now.
Okay.
We have several.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:49):
We're talking a lot, so it's a long episode.
Several

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:51):
show notes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:52):
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:53):
And we decided that we're just going to start
reading.
So we take these notes as we'rewatching TV over the course

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:57):
of the week.
We usually grab a phone, jotsomething down.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:59):
And so we've decided we're just going to make them a
segment.
We were going to do it earlierin the episode, but here for
whoever the one person stilllistening, we're going to go
ahead and do it for you.
The White Lotus reality showidea with Mike White.
So I just want to throw this outthere that as I was suffering
through Bachelor in Paradise

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:14):
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:14):
had an idea for a reality show where they hire a
bunch of these people that dothese kind of reality shows for
a reality show where they takethem to a hotel like the White
Lotus and they do a reality showbut they don't tell them what
the show is actually about andwhat the show is is the White
Lotus so all of the staff at thehotel are actors who are there

(01:16:35):
to mess with the participants ina White Lotus like

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:40):
situation Bachelor contestants more psychological
trauma by putting them through ashow like that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:45):
Fine.
Finally...
We did have one Wednesday note.
We did?
Salute your shorts.
Oh, shut up.
Don't tell me all.
At one point in the show, thecamp episode, episode three,
they are playing the taps.
Not the nighttime taps, but theday.
I think it has a different namethan taps.
But that song.

(01:17:07):
And you go, salute your shortssong.
And I go, that's the song themilitary plays to wake you up in
the morning, Hope.
It's not salute.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:13):
You didn't know the Addams Family had two Ds.

UNKNOWN (01:17:17):
Leave me alone.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:18):
All right, you got some announcements?

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:20):
I do.
Special Forces Season 4 iscoming September 25th, and we
have a cast announcement.
Brr, brr.
I'm not going to read everybodyon here because it's a lot of
people, but we're getting JohnnyManziel, baby.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:34):
couldn't be more excited.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:36):
He's either going to go early because of his attitude
or go all the way.
The other athletes, we aregetting Shawn Johnson and her
husband, Andrew East.
We have another husband pairingof Eric Desker and Jesse James
Decker.
You know her from Dancing withthe Sharks.
I like her.
Let's see here.
Jesse Smollett.
That was an actor that kind ofhad some controversy a couple

(01:17:58):
years ago.
Who else do I know on here?
Nick Yun, another athlete.
One of your

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:05):
favorite memes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:06):
I know, one of my favorite memes.
Cody Brown from Sister Wives.
Are you serious?
He better go early.
I'm not going to be able tostand up with him.
I can't wait for one of the guysto yell at Cody because he is
the most egotistical, terribleperson.
So I'm very excited for that.
There's a girl called BriannaLaPierre.
Pagely or something and I thinkshe's known as Brianna Chicken

(01:18:28):
Fry on like TikTok I have noidea who this woman is but
apparently she had a lot ofcontroversy going on and they
say she's going to bring somedrama but those are let's see
Teresa am I saying her nameright Gaitis I don't have the
list in front of me so

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:41):
how could I possibly

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:42):
know you're not good at pronouncing stuff either she
was on Dancing with the Starsbut she's also one of the Real
Housewives I think she actuallydid Time in Prison or something
so we have our cast out we'llprobably do a full blown
analysis of each person fromthat cast as we get closer but
you're you were just asking whenam I getting special forces well
now we have a date we also havea date for my life with the

(01:19:02):
Walter boys season 2 on Netflixthere's just something about a
brother love triangle that signme up sign me up it comes back
August 28th I don't know ifNetflix is going to be stupid
and give me the split seasonbecause I haven't said anything
about that and then only murdersin the building season 5 I feel
like we have not really seen atrailer but it is supposedly
launching September 9th

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:23):
it's odd like no press no trailer

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:25):
no nothing I feel like unless I'm on the other
side and I haven't seen anythingand then and just like that is
wrapping up it's Apparently,goodbye forever.
Maybe.
I hear Sarah Jessica Parker isshopping it around on other
networks.
The supposed final episode iscoming to HBO Max this Thursday.
We have watched episode 11.
Nothing happened for me to talkabout.
So we will be back with ourthoughts on that show in a

(01:19:50):
future episode.
A

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:52):
future episode.
We're probably off next week.
We're enjoying our anniversary.
Everybody, please have a goodrest of your evening, day,
morning, whenever time you'relistening to this.
Summer week.
No.

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