We Watch TV Episode 121 – Happy Halloween

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 In this episode of We Watch TV, Hope and Daniel chat about their Halloween favorites and excitement for the upcoming holiday season. Thanks to our amazing listeners, and one who went above and beyond, Daniel also issues an APOLOGY (sort of) over his comments regarding his thoughts on Hallmark Christmas movies that were proven INCORRECT! The hosts also react to the Wicked theme night on Dancing with the Stars before delving into the latest Only Murders in the Building episode. The hosts wrap things up by discussing their thoughts on season 2 of Netflix’s Nobody Wants This.

(00:00:00) Intro and Fan Mail
(00:15:54) Dancing with the Stars
(00:30:33) Halloween Favorites
(00:34:13) Only Murders in the Building (season 5)
(00:37:01) Nobody Wants This (season 2)

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_02 (00:11):
Hey everybody, and welcome to We Watch TV.
It is the podcast about the TVthat we watch.
I am Daniel.
She is Hope.
This is episode 121.
It's almost Halloween.
Which means in Hope World, it'salmost Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
It is happy Halloween, merry almost holiday
season.
Which again, the holiday seasonis your Thanksgiving, your
Christmas, your New Year's Eve,Hanukkah.
If you so desire, um, what isit?
Star Wars Life Day.

SPEAKER_01 (00:44):
So at least No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 (00:47):
But yeah, none of this.
No one skips Thanksgiving.
We just like to have ourThanksgiving with the side of
wonderful holiday decor becauselife is kind of crappy.
And do what makes you happy.
There's a rhyme.
And we actually are gettingready to decorate for the
holidays very soon.
I never do it before Halloween.

(01:07):
It's like the clock strikesmidnight.
Mariah's fully defrosted.
Do you want to tell everybodywhy?
Christmas can go.
No.
I don't want to be well, one,it's a curse.
Like, watch the movie Trick orTree.
That tells you all you need toknow.
You gotta leave your Christmasdecor excuse me, you gotta leave
your Halloween decorations uptill now, till then, people.
You cannot take them down untilHalloween is over.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28):
I fear that many of you listeners may just be
laughing at this, but she'sserious.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
Well, it's also like I, you know, I kind of do it
like Disney does.
Like I the the October 31st isstill Halloween.
The Halloween season decorationswill remain up until then.
Then we can start rolling outChristmas.
And while we're enjoyingChristmas on Thanksgiving, we
enjoy Thanksgiving, and thenit's back to Christmas.
Honestly, like to me, ChristmasDay is the biggest is this is

(01:57):
like the bummer.
Like that's the depressing day.
Christmas Eve is fun, but likeChristmas Day is like the sad
day.
The best thing about Christmasis the build-up, and having
Thanksgiving is almost like thatpre-Christmas thing, it's just
really awesome.
Like, as you're as I'm an adultnow, I think I like Thanksgiving
Day better than Christmas Daybecause you're just in the thick

(02:18):
of the holiday season.
What what about you?

SPEAKER_02 (02:22):
Um I like Halloween.
I like Halloween better.

SPEAKER_00 (02:25):
And I didn't ask for Halloween.

SPEAKER_02 (02:28):
Yeah, I like Thanksgiving better than than
Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
So I always think it's interesting before we get
into what we did this weekend,that Halloween for you, you
always claim that Halloween isone of your favorite holidays.
Yeah, this is the man that youonly watch Hocus Pocus when like
I am doing our you know annualrewa rewatch, and you'll
probably watch Great Pumpy withme, but you don't like scary
movies, you don't really likethe fun Halloween movies,

(02:51):
dressing up for Halloween isn'tyour favorite.
You like candy, but that's ayear-round thing for you.
What is it that you like aboutHalloween?
Because you're not really likinga lot of the stuff that goes
with it.
I know you like our skeleton,our decor.
So, you know, if you like theskeleton so much, and since you
claim that Halloween is yourfavorite of the holidays, you

(03:11):
should let me buy that twelvefoot tall skeleton next year.

SPEAKER_02 (03:16):
But Halloween is one of the fall, one of the big
three for the fall.
So you get the kind of theweather that you want.
Which we're this is like, Iwould say this week, at least
here in our neck of the woods,is like perfect Halloween
weather.
Perfect Halloween fall holidayweather.

(03:37):
So you get that weather, and I'mjust like an old van.
Even though I don't necessarilylike dressing up, I I enjoy
seeing other people's costumesand what kind of creative things
they come up with.
And the biggest reason isbecause it's the one it's the
fall holiday that comes withabsolutely the least amount of
familiar pressure on me to go dostuff.

(04:00):
So it's because uh nobody says,hey Daniel, you gotta come over
for the Hall of the familyHalloween gathering this year,
and you gotta make sure youbring this, and you gotta make
sure you do this, so we want tosee ya.
There's none of that.
Nobody gets upset.
None of that.
Nobody gets upset.
It's just I can enjoy it andwatch from from afar as people
have fun.
Even though you get theHalloween movies.
Yeah, then we get theThanksgiving and Christmas, and

(04:24):
everybody gets all uptight.
Uptight about it, and they areall like, I want to win if I get
to see ya.
Not to mention, we all know whatelse happens around
Thanksgiving.
My birthday.
Which makes it even worsebecause everybody, you know, I
really want to see you on yourbirthday.
Well, what but but what but do Iwant to see you on my birthday?
Because it's my birthday.

(04:44):
I should be able to do what Iwant.

SPEAKER_00 (04:46):
At least it's not on Thanksgiving this year.

SPEAKER_02 (04:49):
Black Friday, it might be worse.

SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
You never go shopping on Black Friday.
Black Friday I miss, I actuallymiss when Black Friday shopping
was like an event.
And I'm not talking about theThanksgiving evening Black
Friday.
I'm talking about like oldschool Black Friday, where you
get up like at four in themorning and you go to the mall,
like the way it was in like the90s, early 2000s.
That I miss it when it was anevent.
It's just it's not the same.

(05:12):
It's not the same.
And now that my nephews are oldenough, I would have loved to
have imparted like my BlackFriday wisdom on them.
Like we used to go all the time,but like half the time we
wouldn't even buy anything.
We would just like watch peoplebe crazy.
I feel like I remember my lasttraditional time, like going on
a Black Friday in the morning.
So I was with one of my friends.
I was already in college at thispoint.

(05:33):
I feel like this was like beforeit started to kind of creep into
Thanksgiving, and now it's justkind of online, so you really
have Black Friday sales like thewhole week.
But I remember like we werewrapping up what we were doing,
and we were in the food court atthe mall, and I was like, Oh my
gosh, I'm so hungry for lunch.
Let's go get a salad.
And then we go over toChick-fil-A, and they're like,
We're still serving breakfastbecause it was like 9 a.m.
But we had been at the mallsince like 4 30 in the morning,

(05:54):
so we felt like it was likelunchtime, and I'm like, you
know, that that made BlackFriday special, but for you,
you're not gonna be doinganything.
Okay, so if you don't want to doanything on Black Friday, can I
take uh my nephew to seeZootopia too?
One of our nephews.
See, I was thinking abouttelling him no.
You're gonna get in the carbecause it was your birthday.

SPEAKER_02 (06:13):
You're gonna get in the car and you're gonna drive
away and you're just gonna leaveme here with my devices.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (06:20):
Hey, what do we do this weekend?

SPEAKER_00 (06:21):
Uh, we are prepping for the upcoming holiday season,
and you are actually such a goodsport.
I was very impressed.
We went to Home Depot, they havetheir whole little Christmas
section.
Once again, learned that our caris not big enough to put hardly
anything in.
So the tree that we wanted, wefinally we've never bought a
Christmas tree.
I'm a Christmas super fan, butlike we've always been given

(06:43):
trees.
So we've had like our tree thatwas given to us for well over a
decade at this point.

SPEAKER_02 (06:49):
Um, I've like 17 years.
As long as we've lived in thishouse, we've had that tree.

SPEAKER_00 (06:54):
Yeah, so it's been a while, and every year we're
like, we're gonna buy a new one,and then we never do.
Um, it's the pre-lit like lightshaven't worked, and they haven't
worked in over a decade.

SPEAKER_02 (07:02):
Did they ever work?

SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
I think they worked like the first two years.

SPEAKER_02 (07:05):
I don't remember them even working at all, but
yeah, you might be able to dothat.

SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
Like, and then like one of the set went out, and
then we had to light them up.
But anyway, that that partwasn't as we didn't intend to
buy a tree.
It was an impulse purchase thatwas then made difficult.
So we sat in our car and thenordered the same tree online to
have shipped to the house.

SPEAKER_02 (07:22):
The shipping was free online.
Yeah, but if we had gotten thetree that we purchased at the
Home Depot shipped to the housefrom there, they were gonna
charge me like 80 bucks.

SPEAKER_00 (07:31):
The only thing I think of is maybe they were
gonna deliver it that day.
I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 (07:35):
By the way, I don't well, here's what I don't
understand.
All those plastic trees inthere, the one that we ended up
picking out was the biggest box.

SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
Of course.

SPEAKER_02 (07:43):
Listen, there was a tree sitting right next to it.

SPEAKER_00 (07:46):
Mrs.
Crank likes the big ones.

SPEAKER_02 (07:48):
It was the same tree.
It was the same tree, exceptinstead of colored lights, it
was just white.

SPEAKER_00 (07:54):
Yes, I like to have options.

SPEAKER_02 (07:55):
The box wasn't the same size.
Because I looked at the boxes.
Because I uh and and all theboxes, I was like, oh, that'll
fit.
That'll fit.
No, no, no.
This was when we were justshopping around.
The the the 40 minutes it tookyou to decide.

SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
If I actually wanted to pull the trigger to buy a
tree.

SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
Yeah.
Okay.
Um, I was looking at the boxes,like, oh, that'll all fit.
That'll all fit.
And I never got around to reallygauging the one that we
purchased.
And it's just it's sofrustrating.

SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
Well, me and the worker were given, we're sharing
looks, and you Daniel's likeinsisting that it can go in.
The poor like high school or20-some-year-old, I don't know,
they all look the same to me.
Worker's looking at me like, andI'm like, yeah, Daniel, I don't
think it's fitting.
Like, he's looking at me like,help.

SPEAKER_02 (08:33):
But yeah, it took a- How do people take stuff home?
Oh, wait, right.
I know the answer.
Everybody in this country owns afreaking tank for a vehicle, and
so they don't have this problem.
I don't want to drive a tank.
I want to drive a nice,reasonable sedan that can't fit
a Christmas tree on it.

SPEAKER_00 (08:49):
I'm gonna have to say goodbye to the old tree,
though.
Like, and say my goodbyes.
Because I never got to saygoodbyes to my when my parents
replaced.

SPEAKER_02 (08:56):
Well, you better say it soon because as soon as we
get that new tree and I verifyit's the correct thing that we
got, that old tree's going outby the garbage.

SPEAKER_00 (09:02):
We don't want it to be like a the middle situation
where they put the wrong topperin there.
You know how the middle you havelike the pink topper on the
side.

SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
Yeah, I'm gonna open it up and make sure everything's
working right, and once I haveconfirmed that, um, that old
tree's going out.

SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
Well, we have a new deck that Daniel helped build,
helped my dad build and thecrew.
And that was what I was like,wow, we're gonna decorate the
deck this year, and we have toreplace the outside lights.
So that's why we went to HomeDepot, and then I ended up,
let's see, we ended up getting anew tree, which you did push the
decision to get a new tree,Bows, Garland, which was for the
deck, new lights, and a penguinfor the yard.

(09:36):
So I'm gonna have my goose andher Christmas outfit.
I'm gonna have my snowman andthe penguin and all of this.

SPEAKER_02 (09:42):
The snowman and the penguin are inflatables, by the
way, everybody.
Just so you know, the qual theclass of the mixing decoration
that we're using.

SPEAKER_00 (09:50):
You know what?
It's whimsical, it's fun.
But you know what else iswhimsical and fun when Daniel is
wrong?
And guess what?
This is what the segment of thepodcast where we call Drag Him.
So if you listened to lastweek's episode, you heard Daniel
rant about Hallmark Christmasmovies because I did we watched

(10:11):
a Hallmark Halloween movie.
Haul out the Halloween, go checkit out, it's not that bad.
Um, but that was kind of ourlead up into the Christmas
movies because that's anotherthing.
Not only do I not decorate tillafter Halloween, I make myself
wait till November 1st to listento Christmas music and then to
watch the Christmas movies.
And we always start off with theHallmark ones before we move
into the A-listers.

(10:33):
And Daniel was like, none ofthem are good, they're all
terrible.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, I know you'vesaid movies are good so far.
Well, our podcast friend who hasactually been on the podcast
before, John Paul, he left us afan mail, fan mail that says,
first he says, I really enjoythe podcast, guys.

(10:53):
Thanks.
And then he says, as a reminderto your listeners to rate the
show five stars and whatever appthey use.
We should probably be doing thatmore often.
Thanks for the reminder.

SPEAKER_01 (11:00):
Yeah, go rate us.

SPEAKER_00 (11:01):
Everybody rate us five stars, even though Daniel
lies.
And then it said, but Danielstated in last week's episode
that he never said he loved orliked a Hallmark movie.
Is this true?
Um, it is not true.
And then later it looked like inthe day that I'm gonna pull it
up here on my Twitter.

(11:21):
No, it's caught.
I was waiting to do the samething and he did the work for
me.

SPEAKER_02 (11:25):
Actually, I did the work for both of you.

SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
I guess.
Thanks to Daniel for puttingtogether last year's Hallmark
movie supercut, and we will haveanother Hallmark movie supercut
featuring our conversations fromthe 2020 2024 movies coming
sometime in early November.
But he says it didn't take longto find two examples of him
saying he liked a Hallmarkmovie.
Can we expect a retraction orapology by Daniel in the next

(11:50):
episode?
So here we have this.
I'm going to roll the tapes now.
I really like how some of theHallmark movies in the past
couple years haven't going offthe script.
We had like the one last yearwith like a restaurant where
sort of like love actually whereromance wasn't at the center.
That was good.
Did you hear that?
He said, I actually like thatone.
Then we have this.
So I gotta get it pulled up.

SPEAKER_02 (12:11):
Holiday Hallmark movie that we watch.
It's a um Hanukkah one.

SPEAKER_00 (12:14):
So yeah, this is a holiday movie.

SPEAKER_02 (12:16):
Round and round.
Uh this was a good movie.
Yes.
I'm not gonna say too much.
It was a good movie.

SPEAKER_00 (12:23):
Um This was a good movie, and I know you're gonna
be like, but that one I alreadyclarified wasn't a Christmas
movie.
It still counts as a Hallmarkholiday movie because Hanukkah
is part of the holiday season.
So there you have it, folks.
The footage, Daniel, apologizeto our listeners for being a
liar.

SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
Uh first of all, John Paul, uh, love you, buddy.
But the fact that you listen toyour podcast on two times is it
makes me sound like a crazyfreaking devious, and I don't
know how you do it.
And yes, I I can't imagine likelistening to Hope at a higher
speed than that.

(13:04):
Um second, yeah, the one that Isaid was good is not a Christmas
movie.

SPEAKER_00 (13:09):
I just clarified that before you said that, or
you've already prepared your.
I said, I know you're gonna saythat.
It's a Hallmark holiday movie,it still counts, and you said it
was good, but then you said youliked the other one.
So you and you've there's beenmore that you've said you've
liked.
Apologize right now, Danny.

SPEAKER_02 (13:24):
Did we check and make sure he didn't use AI to
like change this and do that?

SPEAKER_00 (13:30):
I I'm I'm there for all the stuff.
Apologize now.

SPEAKER_02 (13:34):
I apologize, and I will also never state verbally
that I liked or in or felt anyof these holiday movies were
good ever again.

SPEAKER_00 (13:42):
You liked the one with the magical doorknobs and
the Thanksgiving hotline.
Yes, you did.
Okay, Mr.
Scream.

SPEAKER_02 (13:50):
Hey, did we get any other interaction on last week's
podcast other than peoplecalling me out for um my
opinions on the past movies andand the mental state that I may
not may or may not have been in?
You guys should really let meput it this way.
If I'm sitting here telling youguys that a Hallmark movie was
good or that I liked it, um thatmight be me telling you guys

(14:15):
that I've been kidnapped and Ineed help.
Oh, please.
Similar to how, like, if youcalled me on the phone and
called me Dan.
Are you referencing 9021?
Yes, I am.
Yes, I am.
I would know immediately thatthere was something wrong.
So if I'm sitting here tellingyou guys that Hallmark movies
are good and I'm enjoying them,something's wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (14:33):
No, it's just kind of you you like to be Mr.
Cranky Pants when we all knowthat you're a softie at heart.
And I know that you're excitedfor the third movie of the three
wise men in the baby series.

SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
I am not.

SPEAKER_00 (14:45):
Yes, you are.
We had a well, we I had acomment that said um my friend
from Michigan, she said, notyour husband ignoring you when
you brought up Xenon, which youdid ignore me when I said they
should do Xenon for What'sXenon?
Girl of the 21st century.
Zoom, zoom, zoom.
You just want me to sing fine.
I I'm always happy to singXenon.
Zoom, zoom, zoom.

(15:05):
Make my heart go boom, boom.
My supernova girl.
Xenos Lapitas, Daniel.

SPEAKER_02 (15:10):
I've never heard of this.

SPEAKER_00 (15:11):
Oh, jeez.
You got to stop it.
And then she said, also, I agreewith your husband and you.
Carrie Ann is my least favoritejudge, but I can't lose her
because we all need a commonenemy.
So my second least fave, so he'son the chopping block, has to be
Derek.
And then she said, I want Kim tobe a judge, who Kim was the
guest judge for uh, was Kim theguest judge for not for Wicked

(15:32):
Night, because that was JohnShu, the director.
Kim was the guest judge for themost memorable night.
Yeah, I think that's a good one.
So that's why we were talkingabout that.
So yeah, there's that.

SPEAKER_02 (15:40):
And then didn't she agree with me on contemporaries
as well?

SPEAKER_00 (15:44):
Low-key, low-key, kind of.
We think she's in agreement withboth of us.
We think if you're gonna do likewe we think it really should go
back to the way it was when ondancing with the stars, let's
just talk about dancing with thestars now.
Okay, since we're into it.

SPEAKER_02 (15:59):
Let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 (16:00):
All right, so we think that dancing with the
stars should go back to how itused to be, where I mean, it's
fine to have a few theme nights.
Like Wicked works for becausethat was the most recent one,
because we have the movie comingout, so fine.
You know, toe that company line,do the Disney one each year, but
change it up, add stuff likeXenon, and then um what am I?
Oh, Halloween.
That's gonna be the theme nightthat will be tonight, yeah, as

(16:23):
you're listening to thisepisode.
So I think that's fine too.
That's like Halloween, it's allabout the cut it off.
But then stop it.
Like, if you're gonna dosomething, do like a Latin night
and then do the Latin styledances.
The problem is, and a lot ofthese newbie fans that haven't
been around that aren't likeDaniel and I, where we're
sitting on the couchy and like,oh, they didn't do somber rolls,
deduct, oh, they were out ofstep there, oh, too much messing
about.
Like, we've been watching theshow for years, so we kind of

(16:45):
like we'll say stuff and thenthe judges will say what we say,
you know, we're that good.
But they don't realize, like,they'll see like a dance that's
in the style of jazz, forexample, that is meant to be fun
and entertaining, but thenthey'll see somebody do like a
rumba, which is one of thehardest dances to do, and
they'll be like, Well, thisdance was better, or they'll see
like the quick step, and they'llbe like, Well, I don't

(17:05):
understand why that got a 10,but this one didn't.
So it'd be a lot easier if we atleast chose two dance styles
each week to compare.

SPEAKER_02 (17:13):
No more than two, so that you've got half your
contestants doing the same danceat a very gatekeeping on any
given night, so that you can dobetter comparison.
Because anytime you get like Ijust cringe when I see obviously
they don't do freestyle untilthe very end of the season.
But anytime I see jazz, anytimeI see contemporary, and like one
or two people get that style,it's like, oh well, I know who's

(17:35):
getting high scores this week.

SPEAKER_00 (17:37):
No, jazz doesn't get high scores.

SPEAKER_02 (17:39):
Contemporary usually contemporary usually does.
You have to be really good atjazz to get a high score.
Uh it irritates me because likewell, I don't even know if I
said it last week, but like ithe whole barefoot thing was
contemporary.
Is that like the only rulecontemporary has that you've got
to be barefoot?
It's just it it when youcompare, you don't when you're

(17:59):
doing a foxtrot and you're trulyand and and you've got a person
who's been really strugglingwith frame, right?
And then they do a foxtrot andthen they do a contemporary, you
can hide a lot of those problemsin a contemporary that you can't
hide in a foxtrot.
And to me, it's just you shouldbe they should have to go
through like the traditionalstyles, and contemporaries

(18:20):
should come later in the season.

SPEAKER_00 (18:22):
Yeah, I think like honestly, if they're my my like
hope would be, and I think onlyone couple is getting because
normally we get a Daniela andWhitney contemporary on
Halloween night, but they'vealready had contemporary.
I think somebody's getting acontemporary.
Oh, Jan and Jen, and they'regonna join a Taylor Swift's
song, so I think he'll thrive atthat because ballroom's
definitely not his strong suit.

(18:43):
But I think like if you're gonnado contemporaries, you should do
them all on Halloween nightbecause some of our most
memorable Dancing with the Starsdances, like Amon and Daniela
from a few years ago, have beenin the contemporary style.
I I think like what you'reseeing, like there was a lot of
discourse in the recent Wickedepisodes, which I think people
are just hating on her and Markbecause they're new people that

(19:03):
have watched the show and theydon't understand, and it's just
like she's the one, the villain,Whitney, who is arguably, in my
opinion, the best dancer thisseason.
Just but the best dancer doesn'talways win.
Sometimes it does, not always.
She and Mark did a quick step,might have been one of the best
quick steps I've literally everseen on the show.
And people were like, Well, howcome that got tens, but Robert
and um Alex did it?

(19:25):
Well, one Robert and Alex bothdanced jazz, they had way less
to do than what Whitney and Markhad to do in quick step.
So that's that's a reason why,because the quick step is so
much more like difficult.
And I think that like I think ifyou had everybody doing like the
like a rumba in one night, you'dreally be able to see and
highlight differences.
Like, I still can't get pastthat.

(19:45):
Dylan had one of the highestscoring contemporaries when I
felt like his was one of theworst to me.
But I felt like they were insome of his fans are so like
mixed bag.
Like you have people that werelike so mad about what he scored
on Wicked Night.
I'm like, I feel like he wasfinally judged fairly on Wicked
Night, you know?

SPEAKER_01 (20:00):
Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
I think they like in like Carrigan said it's almost
like there's two differentcompetitions going on right now,
and I get that, but it would beso much more helpful to the
viewers if we could go back tothose old ways.
And I think what I've read a lotof conversations from the pros
that say that the theme nightssometimes make it harder for
them to do their jobs becausethey're ha they're getting
they'll get like a weird songthat they have to do like a

(20:21):
rumba to.
Like it just like I like it canbe really like and some of the
songs were wicked, weredifficult.

SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
Yeah, wicked dedication night seems really
tough to me, especially with howthey did it this year, where
they try where they said yougotta incorporate the person
that you're dedicating it to.
And it was just so unevenbecause you had some people who
really incorporated that personalmost into the whole dance.
I know we talked about this lastweek, so we'll move on.
And and some who didn't, andit's just it's so inconsistent,
but I agree.
The main if I had if I were thethe the king of dancing with the

(20:49):
stars and I had to do one thing,it would be no more than no more
than three different styles anight.
Yeah.
That way everybody is dancing,at least two or three couples a
night, especially at thebeginning when there's a lot of
contestants, are dancing thesame style, so you can look at
them together at the same andgo, Oh, I see.
Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_00 (21:09):
And I think at the end of the day, it's not that
deep.
It's a fun, silly show aboutdancing.
I'm glad that it's getting a newaudience, but it's actually like
one of my favorite things to dowould always be to like debrief
on Reddit, which Reddit, likepeople would argue back and
forth, but it was like fine.
Like it wasn't like that, youknow, it wasn't like hateful or
like I'm starting to think likeHilario Baldwin is on to

(21:29):
something about like thebullying.
Like, it is so bad.
Like, I know, and I've alreadyseen like Ezra, one of the pros,
talked about like how it isimpacting some of the pros.
Like it's just it's so likevicious.
Basically, what's happening ispeople are almost treating it
like sports, which I don't thinkin my you know, you know, higher
age that like you should be likethis about sports.

(21:50):
But if you like say you're a fanof like Alex and Val or like
Robert and Whitney, you feellike you can't like anybody else
and you have to tear all thecompetitors down.
And Whitney and Mark are gettingit bad.
And one of the things that'sdriving me nuts is that the
whole thing about like asWhitney has a dance background
every season.

(22:11):
There are multiple contestantswith dance backgrounds.
You you would be hard pressed toever have a show without anybody
with a dance background becauseof just being in the
entertainment industry for one.
But let's see, Charlie DeMulio,dance background, and then
Heather Morris literally was apaid backup dancer for Beyonce.
She was on the show.

(22:32):
Now, did she win?
No, she did go out, you know.
I probably like I think thatWhitney's not gonna make the
finals for the same reasonbecause it seems like that's the
one everybody's dumping on.
But this is nothing new.
I like to watch good dancing,and Whitney, like, she studied
it in college and then likestopped dancing and was a mom
for several years and was makingsilly TikTok dances.
I do think there is a differencewith someone like Hilaria

(22:53):
Baldwin, who literally competedin ballroom against our current
pros on the show.
But people gotta get off thislike train.
It's it's really annoying.
And then, like, people arecomplaining about favoritism.
If anything, I think RobertIrwin is the one that's getting
the favoritism.
And I love Robert Irwin, and Ithink Robert Irwin is still
gonna win.
And I think it's fine.
I'm fine with that.

(23:14):
He seems like a great guy, butcome on, people.
It's it's it's a silly, fun,entertaining show at the end of
the day.
Do you agree?
It's just a fun show.
It shouldn't be taken thatseriously.
People shouldn't be making suchhorrible comments about the way
people look.
It's just it's it's ugly.
Stop it.
Be better.
What do you think about that?
Just the because you don't getinto the discourse as much as I

(23:35):
do, but it has been bad, likestraight up, like nasty
behavior, Daniel.
Like I've never been.

SPEAKER_02 (23:41):
I don't engage with uh this show anytime.
They aren't there are two timesa week when I engage with
anything with the stars, whenI'm watching it and on this
podcast.

SPEAKER_00 (23:49):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (23:49):
And that's and I'm happy to keep it that way.
So, anyways, who went home lastweek?

SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
Well, Scott and Riley went home, and I don't
think anybody was really shockedby that.
I think on other seasons, Scottwould have maybe stuck around a
little bit longer, but um hejust, you know, when you don't
have the fan vote and you don'thave the scores, it's your time
to go.
Plus, he's gotta get he's starthe's getting on a tour soon,
pentatonics.
It's Christmas time.

SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
Yeah, he's gotta get ready for Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 (24:13):
So I I I did feel bad that he went home on Wicked
Night because Wicked is like hisfavorite um musical.
But he uh he kind of spun itlike when they did the
interview, he was like, you knowwhat?
If you're gonna go out, like Imight as well go out on my
favorite night.
I think and he I listened tothem on the Dancing with the
Stars podcast, and he basicallysaid like they would nail the
routines in like their camerablocking days.

(24:34):
But when he would get up thereand he's like, and I didn't
think I'd be impacted by thisbecause you know he is on stage
all the time, but he said it'sjust so different that he would
forget, and you could see wherehe would sometimes forget and
mess up, and he would get alittle bit nervous and in his
head, but as a whole, he said itwas a great experience.
Um, I was I feel like we thoughtit was gonna be if it wasn't
Andy, it would probably beScott, and we were a little
worried about Jen.
It was not a double elimination.

(24:55):
Andy um had his, he did dancejazz in your favorite styles,
but I think Andy like is likeScott, in my opinion, improved a
little bit, but he wasn'timproving enough.
And Andy actually has improved,like his timing was on.
I Andy is the perfect example.
Like, people are like, Oh, stopvoting for Andy for out of
empathy.
There's a lot of people that areConan super fans, my cousin

(25:18):
included, who's never watchedthe show until this year.
She's gonna vote Andy no matterwhat.
It's not about empathy, and thathe is improving.
And if you are the type ofperson you want to see somebody
with literally no danceexperience go on, like that
people enjoy watching thatjourney.
I think that Andy might make itanother week.
And I think Jin, I'm worried forJen, and I'm worried a little

(25:39):
bit worried for Elaine for thisweek.

SPEAKER_02 (25:41):
I I I think much I don't know that bad dancers have
made it farther than this.
So it's not like this isunprecedented, and he's not, and
I'm not even saying Andy's bad.
Like you said, he has gottenbetter every week, and this last
week was his best dance.
And on this show, as long asyour last dance was your best
dance and you've got a fan base,yeah, you've got a shot.

SPEAKER_00 (26:03):
Um, but I I I it's gonna be getting hard this week,
Your Honor.

SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
Truly see just from the the spirit of competition,
this week it's time for Andy togo.
Go out, have fun with aHalloween dance, but there's
just no way he improves enoughover the course of one week.

SPEAKER_00 (26:21):
I think the judges will be harder on him.

SPEAKER_02 (26:22):
He's not gonna improve enough over one week to
overtake some of those otherpeople that are at the bottom.
They're just better than that.

SPEAKER_00 (26:29):
That means that if he has the fan vote that'll
overlook the five, oh yeah, ifhe has the fan vote, they'll
carry him.
It's a huge part of it.
They danced to in the EmeraldCity.
Let's just talk about WickedNight.
Uh, John Shu, the director ofthe Wicked movies, was the guest
judge, and I thought he did agreat job guest judging.
I think at first he was like,oh, you guys are really scoring
people high, so I'm gonna startgiving some higher scores to
you.
Um, but as a whole, for when itcomes to theme nights, I am a

(26:51):
Wicked super fan.
I'm ups I was obsessed, and theydid it in order, so that was
really fun for me.
As somebody who's not obsessedwith Wicked but have heard the
songs 50 million times, how whatdid you think about Wicked
Night?

SPEAKER_02 (27:05):
Um, it was fine.
I think several of the songs I Icould see how they would be
incredibly difficult tochoreograph for because they're
not necessarily dancing songs.
Um and and that's the queerthing about the again.
We've we've kind of harped onthe on the theme nights, but
it's like popular was and theydid a good job, like changing

(27:31):
the song a little bit to kind offit purpose, but that's a tough
song because that's a song witha lot of dialogue in it.

SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
And popular is not an easy song to dance to, and
all the pros have the option toum fine-tune the music, and
Mark, like, because everyone waslike, Oh, Mark, they changed the
song to make it appropriate forquick step.
I was like, How are they gonnado a quick step to this?
And Mark is musically gifted, heis also a singer, so hey, level

(27:58):
up your game to the pros, and Ithink it worked because they
sped that up.
I did see one of the haters waslike, Well, Whitney's not
blonde, and I'm like, Well, noone was green except for
Whitney's husband in theaudience.
What was up with that?

SPEAKER_02 (28:10):
No one was green.
We've had multiple episodes ofthis show, this season, where
people were in some prettyextreme body pain.
And then and then on WickedNight, nobody's green.

SPEAKER_00 (28:22):
Only Whitney's husband in the audience was
green.
That's just such and you putyou're like, he's green.
Yeah, like that's I really likethat both Whitney and Mark were
both like glindified.
I thought Alex and Val did agreat job to what is this
feeling?
They I liked how they stuck withlike the outfits though to be
similar to the different scenes,so they kind of wore like the
Shiz outfits.

(28:43):
I what's the one I really Ireally think that the and they
got a 10 too.
Like Whitney was the first 10 ofthe night, but Jordan and Ezra,
I'm telling you, every weekthey're coming on.
They the judges finally arescoring Jordan the way she
should be, and they did a rumbato for good.
They closed out the show, and Iloved that Ezra was in the
Glenda look.
I just love it.

(29:04):
That was a great dance.
He gave her a lot of content.
He put in little winks to thewicked super fans because there
was like they did this likefinger touch, which is a
reference to a Cynthia Arianainterview.
So if you know, you know.
And Ezra really took people'scomments in that first episode
and has done his choreography.
If people are voting right, Ifeel like Jordan deserves a spot

(29:24):
in those finals.
And I honestly think she couldwin if it wasn't for the fact
that I don't see anybody beatingRobert Irwin at this point.

SPEAKER_02 (29:32):
Yeah, I mean it it because when you get to the
finals, the finals is so muchabout just the the vote.
The fans because you rarely seeanything outside of tens and
nines in the finals.
And so it's not really thejudges are really kind of
seeding their ceding their powerto the fans at that point.
So I agree with you.
I she's coming on strong, but Idon't know.
Again, we can't see into thevoting to know for sure.

SPEAKER_00 (29:54):
I wish you would get those breakdowns.

SPEAKER_02 (29:56):
But I just I feel like Robert Irwin.
Has such a massive lead overeverybody else.
He's so likable.
And he's so likable, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:04):
So I and I think he's getting his tens this week.
I think he's gonna get his tensthis week.
Don't worry.

SPEAKER_02 (30:09):
Who's going home to this week?

SPEAKER_00 (30:11):
I think that Andy's gonna live and see another day.
And I think I'm I'm worried forJen and I'm a little worried for
Elaine, who knocked it out ofthe park, by the way.
Elaine was great with theDefying Gravity dance for
Wicked.

SPEAKER_02 (30:24):
Uh I think Andy's gone.
I think this will be his week.
Yep.
I I think he's gone.
I've said that three weeks in arow.
Now it has been true, so I lookforward to not being true again
this week.

SPEAKER_00 (30:33):
Alright.
Well, um, Dancing with the Starswill do their Halloween night,
which we'll review on our nextepisode of the podcast.
But before we move into someshow content, I should have done
this earlier, but it's just aperfect segue to do Dancing with
the Stars earlier.
Let's let's break it up a littlebit.
Halloween favorites, Daniel.
I'm gonna put you on the spotunless you actually read your

(30:54):
show notes.
What is your favorite Halloweenmovie?

SPEAKER_02 (30:57):
Um, as you noted earlier, I'm not particularly a
connoisseur of the Halloweenmediums, so to speak.
Uh, so I'm just gonna default tomy old favorite trick-or-treat.

SPEAKER_00 (31:08):
Trick-or-treat.

SPEAKER_02 (31:09):
The 2007 classic.

SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
Alright, my favorite is Hocus Pocus.

SPEAKER_02 (31:13):
The love, actually, of Halloween movies.
Trick or Treat.

SPEAKER_00 (31:17):
Yeah.
I thought you were saying aboutHocus Pocus, and I was like, oh
so.
No, I wasn't.
Alright, my favorite is HocusPocus.
What is your favorite Halloweencandy?

SPEAKER_02 (31:24):
Okay, now this one.

SPEAKER_00 (31:26):
Um I knew you were gonna question this question.

SPEAKER_02 (31:28):
I have I need clarification.
What counts as Halloween candyversus not Halloween candy?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (31:37):
Like obviously candy corn, which you throw in the
trash, but like stuff like candycorn, like mini-sized Snickers,
fun-size like butterfingers.

SPEAKER_02 (31:44):
So just a fun-size pack of sour patch kids.
Done.

SPEAKER_00 (31:47):
I knew you were gonna say that.

SPEAKER_02 (31:49):
Like just whatever my favorite candy is can also be
considered Halloween candy, so Imean it's easy.

SPEAKER_00 (31:55):
I knew you were gonna be meaningful.
I'm not gonna pick candy corn.
I'm not a criminal.
I'm gonna go with for somereason I like to eat my little
Snickers when I eat uh Halloweencandy.
Alright, what is your favoriteHalloween decoration?

SPEAKER_02 (32:09):
Um, I really am quite a big fan of my
five-foot-tall skeleton sittingin a camping chair on our side
of our house.

SPEAKER_00 (32:17):
With spider on it.
I agree.

SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
When he converts to Christmas and I put my Christmas
Santa hat on him and make mekeep him out.
Then he stays out there untilJanuary, and uh that's my
favorite Christmas umdecoration.
There, I covered both.

SPEAKER_00 (32:30):
All right.
Now, because we're over TVcentric podcast, what is your
favorite TV show Halloweenepisode?
I've been watching someHalloween episodes already, so I
have some stuff fresh in my minda little bit.

SPEAKER_02 (32:43):
Can you go first then?
Because I have like blankinghere all of a sudden.
Because we just got done, wewere like discussing Christmas
and Halloween and Thanksgivingepisodes like two days ago, and
now you're making me thinkHalloween, and I'm like, I don't
know that I recall.

SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
I have two.
So actually I have three.
I'm not gonna think the listsays I'm not picking a
favorites.
My number one favorite, eventhough it kind of ends in a
bummer because it's sad at theend, but my but until you get to
the sad part is the Fraser onewhere they dress up as like
their favorite heroes.

(33:16):
I'm going with that one as well.
Yeah, I'm going with that one aswell.
And then in the true slot isgonna be the season, I believe
it's season three episode of NewGirl with Michael Keaton.
Yeah.
And Schmidt is a public serpent,but then they have to do like,
and so Jess dresses up as Batmanto try to Michael Keaton.

(33:38):
If you know, you know.
And then I have to give themiddle props because they had so
many, they did Halloweenepisodes for seasons two through
nine, and I really liked the onein the in the very last season,
season nine, where Frankie andBrick discover that somebody
like died in the house they livein, so they go, they try to
figure out like if it if thewoman was murdered, which

(33:59):
obviously, spoiler alert, shewasn't.
And I I I don't know, a FrankieBrick messaround is always a
good episode in the middle, themiddle highly underrated sitcom.
Do you have any Halloweenquestions for me?

SPEAKER_01 (34:11):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (34:11):
You're just you're so fun.
Alright, so Only Murders in theBuilding, we're coming down to
the wire.
The finale episode has probablyalready dropped as the as we as
you are listening to thisepisode.
Because I think Hulu just dropstheir stuff like the day they
come out.
I think.
I think you can watch it anytime of day.
Uh again, this is the season ofI watched the Only Murders, I

(34:32):
enjoy it, and then when it comestime to record my podcast
thoughts, I completely forgeteverything that happened.
It was revealed that Lester whatlike there was some reveal like
that he killed somebody orsomething.
What?
But not h he didn't murderhimself.

SPEAKER_02 (34:51):
Um but he something in the episode prior to this,
they found the camera footageand showed that the new butt the
new Dorman, whose n whose name Icannot recall, um was picking up
Lester's elevator crank and itwas covered in blood.
And so they started thinkingmaybe it was him, and he
explained um that he was hepicked it up for some reason,

(35:14):
I'm not entirely sure.
And so now we're starting to Ithink we left that episode
thinking Lester might be themurderer of the the the mobster
guy.
Yeah.
And I'm I'm really starting I'mon I am now firmly on the track
that I think Lester might haveactually been an accident.

SPEAKER_00 (35:34):
Well, they the episode ended though with like
her mob sons, like where we allthought they were just dopey
idiots, like, oh, remember itwas like the grandma that like
did something.
Yeah, but I don't know whatthey're doing.

SPEAKER_02 (35:45):
Yeah, they the grandma's sitting there and
she's like she they're pointinga finger at her now, and I'm
like, I don't know what's goingon here.
Maybe Lester like has killed thethe mobster guy, their dad, and
and her son, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_00 (35:57):
And so she's gotta take revenge on the Arconius
still being sold.
There's a lot of pieces.

SPEAKER_02 (36:02):
Yeah, it's a mess.
I don't know how they're gonnaclean it up, but they'll they'll
neatly sew it up in a 42-minuteepisode or so.

SPEAKER_00 (36:08):
It's a mess, but like we enjoy it.
Like we'll we'll watch it andwe'll be like, we're not gonna
remember.
We we should probably take noteswhen we watch the finale,
whenever that is.
We should probably take somenotes so we we can't be like,
yeah, we we don't know whathappened.

SPEAKER_02 (36:23):
Again, when I'm watching the show, I'm having a
good time watching the crew dotheir thing.
But the the the mystery, ifyou're the if you were if you
got into Only Murders in theBuilding for the mystery element
and for the Who Done It element,the last couple seasons have
been a bit lacking in thatdepartment.

SPEAKER_00 (36:42):
I feel like that's what got us into it, but now
we're just there for the trio.
I do like that they somehow makehave made Paul Rudd stick around
because he's voicing like therobot Lester.
It's just yeah.
We'll we'll have to see.
Hopefully it'll turn out well.
Now, we have not watched thelatest Special Forces, so we'll
be talking about that later.

(37:02):
But we did watch a whole season,because that's how Netflix does
things, old school baby, ofNobody Wants This Season 2
dropped on Netflix.
That is the um I go I wouldn'tcall it a sitcom or a it's like
a dramedy.
They're very short episodes.
So we we didn't even watch it.
When I say two days, I mean liketwo evenings.
We were able to finish theseason, I think it was ten

(37:24):
episodes.
Ten episodes, yeah.
Ten episodes.
That I don't think any episodeis probably more than like 35,
40 minutes runtime.
Uh I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 (37:32):
Not even I don't even think anybody beyond 35.
So uh quick call out.
Anyone like we said this lastweek on the podcast because we
talked about this a little bit,but anybody looking to hear our
thoughts on season one of thisshow, uh just go back to
episodes eighty-four andeighty-five, and we talked about
season one there.

SPEAKER_00 (37:48):
But if nobody wants that, then go ahead and skip to
this part to the end becauseyou're almost at the end of the
episode.
Anyway, nobody wants this.
Stars Adam Brody, who I haveloved for over 20 years, as Dave
Ragowski and Seth Cohen, andthen Kristen Bell, another
millennial favorite.
And season one was basicallytheir journey of he is a rabbi,

(38:11):
she is a not a Jewish person.
I don't even know like what youwill call her.
Um, and the kind of the ups anddowns of navigating that
relationship, and you thinkthey're gonna break up at the
end of season one, but uh oh.
He decides, you know, likeyou're worth it.
Let's proceed, let's have arelationship.
They kiss, the show ends.

(38:33):
They could have ended it and notdone a season two.
So I felt like season one, theywrote them in a way like if they
didn't get picked up, it wouldhave been fine.
Right.
And so then we have pick upseason two, and a few months
have passed, theirrelationship's progressing, but
there's still kind of that likeuh plot point of where I think
there's been some people thatwere frustrated about it.

(38:55):
They're like, Well, I thought hesaid, you know, he accepted her
for her and that she's all thatmattered, and it didn't matter
if she was gonna convert toJudaism or not.
But it becomes kind of a majorpoint because he doesn't he gets
passed over for the job as likehead, I don't know, head rabbi,
is that what they call it at thesynagogue?
I'm not really sure.
And he they're kind of hathey're having like a dinner

(39:16):
party with their friends, andhe's like, Well, you know, we we
like she probably will beconverting soon or something.
So like that's another likeconflict, and she you can tell
she like wants to, but she wantsto feel like feel something.
But the conflict should convert.

SPEAKER_02 (39:32):
She doesn't want to do it just because she wants to
do it for him, she wants to doit, and and by the way, this is
she is correct, which is anabsolute bad guess, is that she
wants to do it because she wantsto do it, and she feels the pull
to do it, and the whole conflictof the season is one, they're
not really talking to each otherabout that and other things very
well.
They're they're really notcommunicating well, bad

(39:52):
communications, and and two, shekeeps trying, and this is of
course, you know, the epiphanyshe comes to at the end of the
season.
She's trying she thinks it'sgonna be like this big like
lightning bolts lightning boltmoment, and then she sees her
mother have that big lightningbolt moment about the same
thing.
And so she's really frustratedbecause she's not feeling that

(40:15):
you know, feeling like that, andhe's getting frustrated because
now he's going to a different,he's working in a different
synagogue, which is a little bitmore, you know, loose and and
and lax with how things are, andhe's trying to adapt to that
environment, and she's trying toadapt to, you know, make this
big decision because she feelsthey both they both acknowledge

(40:38):
eventually that like this arelationship can't move forward
until this issue is solved.
One way or the other, this issuehas to be resolved because
they're not communicating wellbecause they're try I think
they're trying to avoid fightsand arguments.

SPEAKER_00 (40:52):
Yeah, so they're just not communicating their
feelings.
Like before he interviewed forthat job in one of the episodes,
he's like, I just need a nightoff.
Like the way he said it, hecould have said it better.
Right.
So I do like it that this showis very realistic about any
couple issues withcommunication, and like she
completely read into that, likehe wants nothing to do with me,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
When really he was just like,Yeah, I just wanna, you know, I

(41:14):
need some time to prep and nodistractions.
That's like how he should havesaid it.
But instead of reallycommunicating, they kind of got
like there was like anirritation that kind of built
up.
And I do think that happens withit's like basically a lot of the
season was the hallmark pointswhere we have the brief
conflict, but that's like almostall the season where they just
don't talk and they don't talk.
I do think that you know, thissounds like a very serious show,

(41:37):
but they they do it in a waythat makes you laugh and makes
you enjoy it, and you want tosee you you do want to root for
these characters, you want themto be together.
The chemistry is there, andyou're like, for the love of
God, communicate your feelings.
Now, obviously, neither one ofus are Jewish and are not
totally familiar with Judaism,but I did think it was
interesting, like what you saidabout like when he does accept a

(41:59):
job at like the new place, itkind of I feel like the best
comparison I could come with assomebody who attended like you
know, like Christian churcheswould be one that like maybe the
one that that's more formal,where they have like the prayers
at a certain time, communion ata certain time, and they do
things, and then you have likethe church that has like the
rock band and you get to wearjeans to church.
Like, I feel like that's likethe different vibe.

(42:20):
And as somebody that likesometimes I would go to church
with like a more formal church,and then I'd go to a more like a
laid-back church with somefriends, I would almost always
different.

SPEAKER_02 (42:29):
Yeah, I would almost think of it like g going from a
really strict Catholic church tolike one of those churches that
like does the has the guitarsand the drum guys up there.
Like that would be likegymstones.
That would be yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like that would be a very likeum abrupt and and strange
change.
And if you had to go adapt tothat, which I know it's not
exactly a parallel becauseCatholicism and Protestantism

(42:50):
are are different branches in acertain way, but but if if it
felt like that, that kind oflike very abrupt change for him.

SPEAKER_00 (42:57):
But we know he likes to help people, and that's I
think is part of his favoritepart of being a rabbi and
something that means a lot tohim.
And I think that if we withseason three has not been
officially confirmed yet, butit's pretty much assumed it's
gonna get renewed.
So I'd like to see them progresswith that.
It was fun to see Adam Brody'sreal life wife, Layton Meester,
who played Blair Waldorf onGossip Girl, so another

(43:19):
millennial favorite, um, show upin an episode as kind of like
the influencer girl.
And at one point he's like,Yeah, I don't think she's very
attractive.
And I just thought that wasfunny.
Because like that's his reallife wife.
So I saw somebody who was like,This show is so millennial
cringe, and I'm like, and that'swhy we like it.
Let's see, let's talk about thesoundtrack.
We have a Chapel, Sabrina, uh,Taylor Swift, Charlie XEX, like

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all like gangs all here with themusic that they did.
Um, when it comes to thecharacters, Sasha is still my
favorite.
That is um Noah's brother, Noahis Adam Brody's character.
And I'm very glad they did notgo forward with making Sasha
have an affair with um Joanne.
That's Kristen Bell, that's hersister Morgan's character.

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I a lot of people, they havegreat chemistry.
I need them to stay as friends.
And Sasha kind of has his ownstoryline with his wife, Esther,
and you know, them trying tofigure out like their daughter's
finally getting older.
Should they have another baby?
Like clearly, like it's statedthat they got together because
they had gotten pregnant, and Ithink she's almost having a bit
of a midlife crisis, Esther.

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It turns out they're notpregnant, but she's like, I
don't even know, like myself, Idon't know like who we are.
And he makes a statement at theend, like if she thinks she can
run around and go find herself,he's like, and then I'll be
waiting.
She's like, he's like, she'sexactly right because I will be.
I do not want them to take thisas of because obviously Esther
and Sasha are gonna be on a bitof a break, if you will.
I don't want them to take thatas an opportunity to put him and

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Morgan.
I really don't.
I want him and Morgan to remainfriends, and I think Morgan
needs a friend.

SPEAKER_02 (44:53):
She needs a friend.
I think they work better asfriends, honestly.
Like, I in general, I just don'tthink I hope that's not the way
they go.
I don't think that's the waythey're gonna go.

SPEAKER_00 (45:00):
But I think they're doing enough to tease those
people that want them to go.

SPEAKER_02 (45:03):
You gotta keep those people watching until the end
and then be like, oh, sorry.
Rug pull.
We were never doing that.

SPEAKER_00 (45:08):
For Morgan, she needs somebody that she, I mean,
for goodness sakes, one of herside plots was that she ended up
dating her therapist, Dr.
What was his Dr.
Andy?
Dr.
Andy.
Dr.
Andy, who I think it was funnybecause all the succession
people were like Leo Point,because they like they were both
in succession, both actors.
And there would be times wherewe would be like, okay, we don't
hate Dr.
Andy, but I could never get onboard with that relationship.

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Yeah.
Because that is so horriblyunethical.

SPEAKER_02 (45:34):
No, I agree.
It was I just can't.
So I'm glad they didn't workout.
And it feels like, you know,there were moments when the show
where they tried to make us seemlike we liked him.
But then there were momentswhere they were like, nah, you
shouldn't.
It would knock us to reality.
Yeah, I think I think that waswhat they wanted to give us was
like, no, this isn't a bad dude.
Like, Dr.
Andy's not a bad dude, but thisis a weird and unethical

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situation, and it reallyshouldn't be the case.

SPEAKER_00 (45:56):
We still have the conflict with obviously Noah's
mom, because Joanne is notJewish.
There was an episode early onwhere his mom kind of walks in
with her sunglasses on to theirbasket to the basketball game to
go confront Joanne, that baddie,baddie behavior.
And I really liked the moment ofhis mom bonding with Morgan in
the bathroom.
Like those are two strongfemales that could butt heads.

(46:19):
I just, I don't know.
The show we we flew through it.
It was really good.
I think probably season one is alittle bit better.
Um, I do agree with some of thecriticisms that I I mean, you
and I literally said ittogether.

SPEAKER_02 (46:29):
Yeah, I said it as soon as it was over.

SPEAKER_00 (46:31):
That it ended pretty much the same way.
Season one ended, where they itall comes to a head at the
engagement party for the weddingthat thankfully does not happen
with Morgan and Dr.
Andy.
And they they decide, you know,it's too much, he's not ready to
convert, they're gonna split andgo their separate ways.
And just as she finally decides,after a conversation with

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Esther, where Esther's like,hey, you're basically already
Jewish, and starts like namingall these like characteristics.
She's like, it's not really afeeling, it's like, you know,
what do you want?
Like how you behave.
And she decides that Joannedecides that she can convert.
And then at the same moment, hischaracter, Anna Brody's
character, Noah, has an epiphanythat she is enough.

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I don't need her to convert.
She's all I want.
What am I doing?
And it was very similar to theending of season one where they
both they're about to break up,they have the epiphany, they see
each other, and then they getback together.
So I'm yeah, you were like, Thisis how they ended season two.

SPEAKER_02 (47:28):
It is how they ended it.

SPEAKER_00 (47:30):
And they are getting dragged about it online.

SPEAKER_02 (47:31):
The characters did progress.
Like they had that epiphany,they've both come to the real he
she's come to the realizationthat if that's what needs to
happen, she can do it, and maybeeven she wants to.
And he's come to the epiphanythat he doesn't need her to, he
can get over it and deal with itbecause it's there's more
important things.
But the way that they brought itall together felt exactly the
same.
Was exactly the same.

SPEAKER_00 (47:52):
I think going forward for season three, the
conflict just needs to be heractually going through the
conversion process and what thatmeans to her and still the
family dynamics.
There's still a lot.
I want I really came to likeEsther, Sasha's wife, or
whatever you want to call hernow.
And I need, and I like that sheand Joanne were more friends.
I like that she seems to be,even though she still causes
Morgan what, like whore numbertwo or something.

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I like that I I like I need moreof the gals to gather.

SPEAKER_02 (48:18):
I think the the the cast works well together.
Yeah, the Esther Sashastoryline, if they do a season
three, I think is gonna probablybecome a more almost like a 1B
storyline as opposed to asecondary storyline that as it
was in the first two seasons,because you're gonna need more
room as the conflict between themain characters starts to reduce

(48:40):
as they are becoming more andmore compatible and getting, you
know, they're they're gettingover those hurdles.
Well, that you're gonna needsome some stories to tell.

SPEAKER_00 (48:48):
So that's I think if I have to have a rinse, wash,
repeat of Noah and Joanne.
We cannot end season three thesame way we ended it.

SPEAKER_02 (48:56):
We can't end season three with them breaking up for
five minutes, realizing they'restupid, and then running back to
each other in a dramatic ummeeting.
Yeah.
Which in this case, last time itwas somebody getting on a bus,
right?
But in the second season, it wasliterally just they missed the
elevator with each other.
It was like such a non-dramatic,like, do you guys not have cell
phones?
Yeah.
You know, like, hey, I'm sorry,can I talk to you real quick?

SPEAKER_00 (49:18):
Like one of the things when it comes to their
communication issues that droveme nuts was the birthday episode
for her mom.
She's like, No, my mom likes todo this for her birthday.
And she felt and he's like,What?
Like, you don't like because hisfamily goes all out for
birthdays.
So she, instead of just likegetting him to be like, no, it's
fine, like she ends up puttingtogether this elaborate birthday
party that like nobody wants.
Guess what?

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If people don't want anelaborate birthday party, don't
force it.
Like, do what you want.

SPEAKER_02 (49:42):
Nobody wanted it.
Nobody wants this.

SPEAKER_00 (49:44):
Nobody wants this.
But I really enjoyed the season.
Speaking of Halloween, speakingof Joanne and Morgan's mother on
the show, she, and I've told youthis like 50 times, and you're
like, I don't understand whyyou're so excited about this
connection.
It's like, do you even listen tome, Daniel?
That actress is the mom in HocusPocus.
And the mom in Hocus Pocus worethe iconic Madonna cone bra

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outfit that as kids, as a kid, Iwas like, wow, this is
scandalous.
And they have, I don't, they'rethey caught it this on the show,
so please don't say anything.
It was like some like JewishHalloween, and he's like, Don't
worry, that's what people callit.
I don't know what the actual dayis because they said Jewish
Halloween about 50 times in thisepisode, where people dress up
in costume, and it was a littlewink to those of us that are

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Hocus Pocus super fans, and ofcourse, you know, they're core
and it's millennials, and shewore the cone bra outfit again,
that actress for hercharacterism.
And I just I thought that was areally good, like, I gasped,
even though I had that partspoiled for me on TikTok, I
still gasped when I saw it.
And then Daniel's like, Why areyou so excited about this?
I'm like, boy, do you evenlisten to me?
So that was one of my favoritemoments.

(50:49):
Um, you wrote down some notes.
I always tell Daniel to writenotes, and then I know one has
to do with an N-Sync t-shirt,but I feel like you wrote down a
few different notes.

SPEAKER_02 (50:58):
Um, so I have to while we were watching it.
I had some Only Murders notestoo, but we'll just let we'll
just we'll leave them for thefinale when we talk about that.
But for Nobody Wants This, um,they made a Holiday and
Handcuffs reference.

SPEAKER_00 (51:09):
They did! They did.
I don't know what it was for.
She was it about like theChristmas or not the Christmas,
the birthday episode?
She's like, I just wanna Oh, itwas when they were having, they
were all gathering or something.
She's like, This is like thatmovie.
I don't know.
They made a reference to Holidayand Handcuffs, which is I don't
think it was a Hallmark movie.
It was like back when ABC Familywas a channel.

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So it was like their version ofa Hallmark movie.
Um which we own.

SPEAKER_02 (51:34):
Yes, yes, we do.
Um, they're in sync.
I think there was somebody whowas wearing an in sync movie.

SPEAKER_00 (51:38):
Esther wore an in-sync t-shirt, and I just was
like, In sync.

SPEAKER_02 (51:42):
That was noteworthy for some reason.

SPEAKER_00 (51:43):
It was.

SPEAKER_02 (51:44):
Esther also used the term deading it.

SPEAKER_00 (51:47):
Oh, yes.
All the Bachelor in Paradisepeople.
Dale kept saying dead it, deadedit the whole time.
We've never we've never heardpeople say that.

SPEAKER_02 (51:57):
A brand new vernacular to me.

SPEAKER_00 (51:59):
Apparently, it was used on Nobody Wants This.
So there you go.
Um, I'm excited for them tohopefully get a season three.
My my biggest beef with thewhole season, other than the
finale seeming similar, is justtoo short.
I miss the days of long seasons.
I I flew through it, butthankfully we only had to wait
like a year.
So if we get another season, Ihope we only have to wait a year

(52:20):
again.
Give me more.
And it's obvious that they'replaying younger than they are
because those actors are olderthan us, but I can move past
that.
That's just Hollywood.

SPEAKER_02 (52:29):
Okay.
Well, let's move past it then.
Um, to the end of the episode.
Do you have anything else to goover?

SPEAKER_00 (52:37):
Oh, the end of this episode?
Okay.
No.
We already kind of did the call.
The action was exciting.
Yeah, let's do that again.

SPEAKER_02 (52:47):
Listen, everybody.
Hey, we run a podcast here.
Um, and despite our best effortsoccasionally, um, the algorithms
need help to, you know, furtherthe out the podcast's growth
into the podcast sphere orwhatever they call it.
So this week, if you uh haven'tgotten around to it and you
would like to, go out onwhatever app.

(53:08):
Most of the apps that you canlisten from have some form of
rating system.
Spotify does it one way, Appledoes it another.

SPEAKER_00 (53:16):
The other ones, I don't even think I've rated us
on Apple.

SPEAKER_02 (53:21):
Great job.
Go out and do the rating thing.
You know, obviously comments andstuff are always helpful, but
those ratings tend to help booststuff and blah, blah, blah.
Nobody really knows how itworks.
It's like deep magic that justis kind of unknown, but
apparently it does do something.
So go do that.

SPEAKER_00 (53:38):
Everybody do that.
Everybody drag Daniel because hedoes like hallmark movies, and I
hope everybody has a very happyHalloween.