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December 9, 2025 52 mins

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 In this episode of We Watch TV, Hope and Daniel are back with their reactions to more wonderful yet oh so cheesy 2025 Hallmark and Netflix Christmas movies. Santa meets Mrs. Doubtfire? Instant classic. Hope also chats the absolute let down that was the season 3 reunion for The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Conversations wrap with Tell Me Lies as Hope is all caught up!

(00:00:00) Intro
(00:02:44) Hallmark Christmas Movie: Christmas at the Catnip Cafe
(00:15:08) Netflix Christmas Movie: My Secret Santa
(00:28:50) Hallmark Christmas Movie: She's Making a List
(00:39:24) Hallmark Christmas Movie: The Christmas Cup
(00:42:23) The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives season 3 reunion
(00:45:42) Various Holiday Specials

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SPEAKER_01 (00:11):
Hey everybody and welcome to WeWatch TV.
It is the podcast about the TVthat we watch.
I am Daniel.
She is Hope.
This is episode 125.
I'm cold and I just ate sausage.

SPEAKER_02 (00:25):
Sausage?

SPEAKER_01 (00:26):
I got something like um cured sausage.

SPEAKER_02 (00:29):
Like a summer sausage?

SPEAKER_01 (00:30):
No, not summer sausage.

SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
Sausage from Dollar General?

SPEAKER_01 (00:33):
From Dollar General, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (00:34):
I thought it was beef jerky in there.

SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
No, it's it's uh it's a the brand makes also
makes beef jerky, but they theyhave some sausages so I not
cooked.
Cured.

SPEAKER_02 (00:46):
Ew.

SPEAKER_01 (00:47):
What?
Well that so I saw they had a uha spicy one, but then they also
had original flavor, and so Ifigured I'd try both.
I'm consistently disappointed inthe s the spicy flavors of these
sausages.
They just they don't go spicyenough.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04):
They're probably made for the Dollar General
white people crowd.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
It's fair.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09):
I can only handle like a pinch of pepper as a
spice.
I don't want to be talking aboutsausage this entire episode,
though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
It's the sausage episode.
It's Christmas time.
Everybody's thinking aboutsausage.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20):
But are they?

SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
Who is not thinking about sausage during Christmas?

SPEAKER_02 (01:25):
Vegans.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27):
Do they not have vegan sausage?

SPEAKER_02 (01:29):
They probably I think they do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
Well, okay, so then everybody's thinking about
sausage.

SPEAKER_02 (01:37):
Everybody, I think about like cheese ball and dips
and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40):
And then a side of sausage.

SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
Cheese ball, dips, that hot appetizer dish.
You know what I also thoughtabout?
That uses dried beef, notsausage.

SPEAKER_01 (01:48):
Yeah.
This is sausage related.

SPEAKER_02 (01:51):
I was thinking about um like how no one ever needs to
know how the sausage is made.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57):
Um like a nice slice of sauce.
Like uh uh I mean it's a sauce,a cured sausage is still a
sausage, but a nice slice ofsome sort of deli meat um
wrapped around some creamcheese.

SPEAKER_02 (02:10):
Yeah, that's sort of Christmassy.
Yeah.
But I like dips is better, likethe dry beef.

SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
But see, in that case, you did the dip is like
it's got a carrying container,which is the sausage.
What if we did the normalChristmas dip but then wrapped
sausage around it?

SPEAKER_02 (02:27):
No.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (02:30):
Did we watch any TV?

SPEAKER_02 (02:34):
I feel like what we're about to talk about is
more riveting than your sausageconversation.

SPEAKER_01 (02:38):
Everybody tell me your favorite Christmas sausage.
Alright.
Um Hallmarks and Netflix's.
That's really all we got.

SPEAKER_02 (02:45):
Like we didn't it's been we're in the like the
slight lull, and then I feellike next week is when they're
gonna start pumping that contentat us at nauseum almost.

SPEAKER_01 (02:55):
It's a lull, but it's also us avoiding things.
Like, for instance, we did notwatch the finale of Special
Forces here.

SPEAKER_02 (03:01):
I just don't have it in me to watch Cody Brown, even
though I think I might enjoywatching him get yelled at.

SPEAKER_01 (03:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (03:07):
And we've just been tired and busy and 'tis the
season to be merry.

SPEAKER_01 (03:12):
That's my name.

SPEAKER_02 (03:13):
I don't know what what else to say, but it's
Christmas.
And we're all in misery.

SPEAKER_01 (03:18):
And also, like, I want to watch Frankenstein on
Netflix.
And I want to watch it.

SPEAKER_02 (03:23):
It got nominated for some Golden Globes, I think,
right?

SPEAKER_01 (03:25):
I don't know.
I haven't seen.

SPEAKER_02 (03:26):
We know Wicked Forgot did.

SPEAKER_01 (03:28):
And I want to watch the New Knives Out as well.
But we just that's I thinkthat's stuff I and I think a lot
of people will be in agreementwith like that's stuff that when
you get closer to Christmas andyou want to sit down in the
evening and relax, you'll watchthat kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (03:40):
But right now, happy holidays, like a sida sausage
and some Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_01 (03:44):
And a good murder mystery.

SPEAKER_02 (03:47):
But our Hallmark and Netflix movie adventures have
continued.
Uh we'll start rolling out thebig boy soon, and that's when we
kind of stop talking aboutthese.
But uh the first one on the listhere, I think is the best
Hallmark Christmas movie, notHallmark and Netflix, Hallmark

(04:09):
specifically, of the 2025season, and that is Christmas at
the Catnip Cafe.
It stars Paul Campbell, who isone of the uh very much of a
prominent Hallmark male actor.
He's in the three wisest men.

SPEAKER_01 (04:24):
Billy from Battlestar Galactica.

SPEAKER_02 (04:26):
Exactly, thank you.
Billy from Battlestar Galactica.
He played the brother that letthe bird out, which was
interesting because he played avet in this movie, Christmas at
the Catnip Cafe.
All right, Daniel, what do youremember?
Give us a synopsis, I'll fill inthe details.

SPEAKER_01 (04:45):
I gotta do a line and then I can remember what
what in the world this movie wasabout.
Um, cats.
We know what's curious.

unknown (04:53):
Cats.

SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
Okay, um, lady, uh finds out that her great aunt,
aunt, and she says it both waysin the movie.

SPEAKER_02 (05:03):
She does, and it was very distracting.
You could tell she was trying tobe proper and be like aunt,
aunt, but then aunts came out.
And just be like us, say aunt.

SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
It's just it's aunt.

SPEAKER_02 (05:12):
It's aunt.

SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
Um her her her great aunt dies.
So dead relative drink.
Um, and unbeknownst to her, hergreat aunt had uh opened a cafe
called the catnip cafe, and asyou might expect, it is a cat,
it is a food establishment thatalso allows cats to run around
it.

SPEAKER_02 (05:32):
And you can adopt cats, these actually exist.

SPEAKER_01 (05:34):
I know people that have adopted cats.
It's an active place wherepeople can go adopt animals, and
I absolutely am in agreementthat people should adopt
animals, and it's a great cause.
I just don't know that I wouldwant to go to a coffee shop
where a cat could be walkingaround in places where they make
food.

SPEAKER_02 (05:51):
That's what I was gonna say.
I don't think I'd be eating foodfrom this.
I mean, I have my sweet littledog, our third co-host, Mr.
Marvin, here cuddled up to me,and I remember um at least twice
I've been, you know, on thecouch with my morning coffee,
and I get down to the bottom ofit, and there's a little Marvy
hair in it.
Could you imagine cats?
I hope you like a side of hair.

SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
So, anyways, um she f she's also in the process of
finally closing on her firsthome.

SPEAKER_02 (06:17):
This is an important detail.
You do you remember why?
Well, because she has was alwaysshe was um her parents traveled
a lot for their jobs or thework.
That's why she spent a lot time,a lot of time with her great
aunt, aunt, aunt aunt in thistown.
So it was really important forher to put down roots.

SPEAKER_01 (06:36):
Yeah.
And so she finds out about allthis and is like, this is great.
So she goes back to her home.
It's not her hometown, shedoesn't have a hometown.
That's like the theme of themovie.

SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
Well, she has to get a little bit more money.

SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
Yeah, she needs a little bit more money for a down
payment on the place, and shefinds out she gets cut in that
cafe, so she's like, Oh, I cansell it.
So she goes home.
There's another secret owner ofthe cafe who she does not know,
which is Billy from BabblesBattlestar Galactica, the
veterinarian in town.

SPEAKER_02 (07:01):
Um, I wouldn't be letting that veterinary any
birds.

SPEAKER_01 (07:04):
And so she goes to meet with him and she's like,
Hey, listen, um, I need to sellthis place and get out because I
need to buy my house.
Um, and there's a guy that'sinterested in buying it from us,
and he's like, Well, I don'twant to sell.
And she's like, Cool, buy meout.
And he's like, Nah, I'm notgonna do that.
Here's the deal.
You I'll I'll I'll I'll sell ifyou hang around until Christmas
and do all the Christmasactivities.

SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
The catnip cafe also has a tradition.
There's like a famous scrapbookwhere they do all these
different activities.
Like they have like a puppetshow, they have a I don't know,
like a festival booth thing,they have a pajama party, a
reading party.
Um, I think no, I'm thinking ofthe movie screening as

(07:46):
something.
Did they screen a movie in this?
I think they did.
I can't remember it.
They're all starting to bleed.

SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
Yeah, I think they did because they made up a
movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (07:54):
Because they made up a movie just like they did in
the Snow Must Go One.
Um, and her aunt Aunt wouldorganize these, and she's like,
Okay, we'll pick one.
He's like, No, we're gonna dothem all.
And he's hoping that she'll bewon over by the spirit of
Christmas and the spirit of youknow what it this cafe means to
so many people.

SPEAKER_01 (08:13):
And you forgot to mention that instead she's won
over by just a random cat in amechanic shop um on her way out
of town.

SPEAKER_02 (08:19):
Oh my gosh.
You forgot to mention that thevet has a very nice practice,
but apparently he's like, I'llaccept this payment of peanut
butter fudge as one does in asmall town or cookies.
I grew up in a small townpayment.
No one does that.

SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
I have never once been allowed to pay for anything
with other than cold hardAmerican dollars.

SPEAKER_02 (08:39):
So he has some financial stuff going on, but
the catnip cafe is veryimportant to him as well,
because obviously he cares aboutanimals.
However, we found out somethingwe almost quit the movie because
we find out that the reason whyhe doesn't have his own pet is
because his dog passed away andit was too painful, and we're
like, nope, nope, nope.
You Daniel actually paused themovie and slammed the remote

(09:00):
down and stared at me and waslike, I'm not finishing this
because it made you sad.
A Hallmark movie evoked emotionin you.

SPEAKER_01 (09:08):
Negative emotion.

SPEAKER_02 (09:10):
It was very sad, very sad.
But I felt like this was apretty good movie, like for the
Hallmark movies.
It's the best, it is the bestHallmark one we've watched of
the season.

SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
Again, not saying a lot, but the cats were cute and
the dogs that we saw.
But the quality of the Hallmarkshas been going downhill.
Even more than usual.

SPEAKER_02 (09:32):
Was this the best one of 2025 of the Hallmarks so
far?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (09:35):
I don't try to blank them all out.

SPEAKER_02 (09:36):
Oh my gosh.
Okay, well, she there's anothercat that she ends up liking
called gingerbread, and thiscat, it reminds me of the grumpy
cat with like the squished face.
That's what they were going for.
And this cat like hateseverybody else, but like find
four finds a kindred spirit inher.
So she ends up obviously, youknow, she's falling in love with

(09:59):
his cat.
We have foster boys, the fosterkid, like finally gets to adopt
the cat.
He's allowed to do that becauseit turns out his foster parents
are gonna be able to adopt him.
That actually made me cry.
That was sad.
And then I guess she and thelead guy, they have good
chemistry.
He still hangs out with.
I did kind of like this partthough.

(10:19):
The did you listen a little bit?
It was a little meta forHallmark, but saying, like, how
this doesn't always go that way.
The um explanation of hisex-fiance or ex-girlfriend, they
said they dated in high school,then she came, they broke up,
she came home, like a lot ofthem do in the Hallmark movies.
They tried to make a go of it,but they didn't work.

(10:39):
So remember, she's the one thatruns the restaurant.
I'm like, oh, so they're showingthat that it doesn't always work
out when you come back to yourhometown and you hook back up
with your you know your highschool love that you tend to not
work out.
I thought that was like a l anice little detail.

SPEAKER_01 (10:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (10:53):
My gosh, you're so anyway.

SPEAKER_01 (10:55):
She's gonna go, she gets him to agree to sell his
portion and sell the catnipcafe, and she they have a fight.
She leaves, and then what shehas a flat tire.
Why why does she end up at themechanics?

SPEAKER_02 (11:09):
They don't have really a fight.
They just he's like, Oh, soyou're still gonna sell, and
she's like, No, it's been mylisten, it's been my dream to
put down roots just because theydid share a kiss.
They've been kissing before theend of the movies.
I've been smooching the pastcouple years.
Little Mo with a gimpy leg.
Um so they kissed, and hethought that, like, you know,
that not only was she gonna stayat the cafe, but they were, you

(11:32):
know, into each other andfalling in love.
But she's like, No, you don'tunderstand, I have to make this
dream come true.
And then she has some type offlat tire, like you said.
She ends up at this mechanicplace and she sees this cat, and
you forgot the whole detailabout how the cat cafe got.

SPEAKER_01 (11:48):
They put flashbacks throughout the movie.
With the aunt aunt.
With the aunt aunt, and they'vediscovered a cat in the
Christmas tree, and her parentswouldn't let because they moved
around too much.
They moved around too much, butthe aunt aunt aunt aunt um
apparently like kept the cat,but then she never saw the cat
again, so it's like I guess thatwas her last Christmas with the
aunt-aunt.

SPEAKER_02 (12:08):
Yeah, she was very inspired to keep the cat, and
then not only and help otherpeople with the cats.

SPEAKER_01 (12:16):
That's what inspired the aunt aunt to do the catnip
cafe.

SPEAKER_02 (12:19):
And so then I feel like animal lovers are gonna
like this.

SPEAKER_01 (12:22):
When she arrives at the mechanic shop, there's a cat
in there, and it looks kind oflike the cat that she tried from
childhood, and it reminds her ofthat uh all that important
stuff.
And then the guy says, Oh, yeah,I got this cat from the rescue
place, the catnip cafe, blahblah blah blah.

SPEAKER_02 (12:36):
She realizes I can put down roots there.
I can run my because I thinkshe's like a marketing person or
something.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Uh it doesn't matter.
And she and she's not gonna movein with the vet guy, she's gonna
live in the old aunt aunt'shouse that she's gonna pay for,
and that's gonna be her house,and she adopts gingerbread, it's
great.
The end, one of her cute catsthough.

(12:58):
The cats were cute, and thedoggies were cute.

SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
Yeah, you liked this man that was gonna buy the cafe.

SPEAKER_02 (13:05):
He didn't even care at the end.

SPEAKER_01 (13:06):
He like was like, Oh, I like this cat, and so I'll
tear up this contract that youalready signed, Billy Vern
Battle Star Galaxy.

SPEAKER_02 (13:12):
But it was funny with him because we were all
expecting him to be that justclassic, you know, lawyer,
villainy, like oily man, and hewas just like, just there, he
was just there to do his job.
Like, are you gonna sign?
Are you gonna not sign?
And then he was like, Yeah,alright, cool.
I think this cat likes me.
That was a good little detail.
And then also, um, I forget theactress's name, but she shows up

(13:36):
in a lot of the movies.
She played Doctor Hope in WisestMen and Merry Christmas Tag
Cooper.
She showed up in this one andtalked about, like, you know,
with the cats and the cat moviesbecause she's the one that
starred with Superman BrandonRoth in the Nine Lives of
Christmas, and they did a sequelto that one as well.
And the first one of the NineLives of Christmas was like one

(13:58):
of the is top tier when it comesto Hallmark movies.
I love that one.
So she I'm like, yes, we need ath we need a um what's it
called?
Why am I blanking on threemovies?
A trilogy.
We need a trilogy of the catmovies, and we know Brandon Roth
is still doing Christmas moviesbecause he showed up in one this
past year with Susu Heck fromthe middle, the Keller family

(14:20):
Christmas vacation.
I like geeked out a lot aboutthat a lot more than you did,
but I really like theintertwining of the people in
the Hallmark universe, andgetting a third cat movie would
be fantastic.
And then these guys can make acameo from their catnip cafe.
As you sit here and stare at mewith your sourpassed face, like

(14:41):
the gingerbread cat, I wouldjust like to say that you
enjoyed this one more than theother Hallmark ones.
Daniel plays a charactersometimes on this podcast to try
to be the foil to my excitement.
And I could tell that this onewas easier for you to tolerate,
unlike some of the otherHallmark ones.
So was this better than fine?

SPEAKER_01 (15:01):
It was fine.
They did the cat actors who werevery good.
They were the best actors in theshow, the cats.

SPEAKER_02 (15:07):
Alright.
Next up on the list is we'regonna jump over to Netflix.
My secret Santa on Netflix.
So y'all just think of Mrs.
Doubtfire, but it's a woman whohas her brother make her like a
mask in a fat suit to be toimpersonate Santa.

(15:29):
Okay?
It's like the Mrs.
like that's how I would bestdescribe it.
A Mrs.
Doubtfire type like plot, orlike she's the man, the movie
with Amanda Bynes, where um fromyears ago.
So basically, and this one, um,it's this lady, she's a former
rock, like local musician.
I'm gonna think she's local punkrock.

(15:49):
I feel like she's gonna be likea Haley James Scott in terms of
famous.
Like, people know who she is,but you wouldn't be able to pull
her from a crowd.
And Haley James Scott is not areal person that's from
Montreal.
Remember when Haley, like, shewas sort of like the reference,
yeah.
Yeah, you guys.

SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
Local people know her, but like she's not didn't
never she never grew to be onthat.

SPEAKER_02 (16:06):
Her name is Taylor, and she stopped on that because
she got pregnant in college umwith her daughter, the husband
just out of the picture, dead bedad, take a drink, and she's
struggling to make ends meet.
They're living in an apartment,she's struggling to pay her rent
on time, but her landlord ladywas like one of the funniest
characters in the movie becauseshe was into Santa.

(16:28):
And you know, some of us gals,we like the Santa.

SPEAKER_01 (16:30):
You were into Santa too, despite the fact that it
was Taylor in a Santa costume.

SPEAKER_02 (16:36):
I can't, I'm very it's very confusing.
I love Santa.
Um, so anyway, she's at thisrecord store and she meets this
guy who's like, ooh, um, youknow, is this you or something?
I think he recognizes her.
And they flirt, but he asks herout.
She says no.
It's later revealed that he'ssome Playboy, former, like the

(16:58):
son of the CEO of the ski lodge,and like he's apparently, you
know, philandered of I don'tknow, philandered's not the
right word.

SPEAKER_01 (17:05):
That's absolutely the right word.

SPEAKER_02 (17:06):
Something like that.
He but he's like clearly in his40s, because that that's Tom
from the blacklist, which is nolonger still on.

SPEAKER_01 (17:14):
I think it was just Tom, he was just undercover.

SPEAKER_02 (17:16):
Daniel was like, how old is he, like 50?
And then we discovered he'swhat, like 41.
Um in real life.
The bot is too.
But yeah, like Daniel's like,isn't he a little old for to be
acting like that?
And the answer is still old tobe acting like that in your 40s.
Um, but he's coming home becausehe's the dad's trying to get him
to run the company, and he'sworking with Tia Maori.

(17:40):
Her sister, Tamara Maori, doesHallmark movies, but Tia's
popping over on Netflix, andshe's been the one that's been
working at this company thewhole time and is like super
irritated that she has to helptrain a son.
But anyway, flashback to Taylor,she gets fired from her cookie
job, like of at working.

SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
Some sort of inspector or auditor person.
The cookies of the cookies.
I don't know.
I don't know, like the cookieagency.
It's not a real job.

SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
And they fire her, and he's like, There's no good
ever a good time to do this.
And he's like, So you pickedChristmas?
And I'm like, fair point.
And she needs to make somemoney, and she overhears.
Oh no, her daughter, she needsto make some money, obviously,
because she can't bear rent.
But then her daughter gets intothe snowboard academy at said
ski lodge, and employees get 50%off.

(18:26):
So she's like, I'm gonna have toget a job at the ski lodge.
And somehow she gets in herhead, like, I'll just I'll be
Santa.

SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
She goes looking for a job, they're not offering one,
and then she hears the well, oneof the characters talking about
the Santa position.
Yeah.
And then she finds out, like,obviously it's a Santa job, and
she's like, Well, I've got toget this job.
So And then her brother'sbrother conveniently is some
sort of like Hollywood makeupartists or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 (18:52):
The brother can't loan her money, but can do an
elaborate mask and fat suit forSanta.
Yeah.
So that's literally like thewhole Mrs.
Doubtfire thing.
Neil, I just wish they wouldhave like had her put a cake in
her face at once, but itwouldn't be like hello!

SPEAKER_01 (19:08):
So she gets the job as Santa, she impersonates
Santa.
Yes.
They love she she starts outRocky, but then she eventually
gets her fit footing, andeverybody loves Santa.

SPEAKER_02 (19:16):
And then eventually she was giving red form in Santa
at first, like everything sucks.

SPEAKER_01 (19:22):
The foil of the movie starts to catch on that
something's odd about Santa.
Meanwhile, she's she and um Tomfrom the Blacklist are falling
in love, and Tom Tom from theBlacklist is falling in love
with Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_02 (19:37):
Yeah, that was what was interesting because he
clearly liked Taylor when shewould show up as herself, but he
was constantly like vibing withSanta.
It was very much giving likeMulan with Mulan and like Krubu,
like before he knew Mulan waslike a woman.

SPEAKER_01 (19:51):
Like instead it was uh um uh what he thought was an
overweight sixty year old man.

SPEAKER_02 (19:58):
I guess so.
But the Eyes did still sparkle.
It was giving, like, you know,in Beauty and the Beast, where
Belle is like snooping around onthe West Way, and she kind of
looks at the picture and shesees the similarity between like
Adam, the beast, like his humanform, his eyes, and the beast
eyes.
He was like, that was it waslike that too, that reference.

SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
I guess, although unlike Beauty and the Beast,
when the transformation iscomplete, he's not wishing it
would go back.

SPEAKER_02 (20:25):
They that was probably one of the most
disappointing things.
It's like, am I weird that Ipreferred the beast?
Like they should have made himlike a manly man, like like like
a beard or like more muscular.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (20:42):
We're talking about beauty and the beast now, so I
don't even know what we'redoing.

SPEAKER_02 (20:44):
Circling back to my secret Santa, did you notice
though she said, like, becauseshe was like, Oh, it's you when
he walked in, but he was like,What?
She's like, Oh, my name is Hugh.

SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (20:53):
And I'm like, Taylor, she could have just
still said Taylor, because thatcould be a guy or a girl's name.
Um, you clocked Tamara Maori,like before I did.
Well done, Daniel, that she wasgonna be the villain.

SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
Yeah, not villain, she's a foil.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (21:10):
Well, she definitely tried to sabotage um Tom from
the blacklist.
From it, but I feel like itwould be irritating if you
dedicated like your life to thisjob and all your time, and you
realize like they're just gonnagive it to this Nepo baby.
Like that would be frustrating.
I am really glad that theybecause there was one scene that

(21:31):
really bothered me when theywere hiring, you know, the
Santa, and they're like, Oh,we're not gonna do a background
check.
I'm like, you're not gonna do abackground check on somebody
that literally has children siton his lap.
What on earth?

SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
They didn't sit on his lap, her lap.

SPEAKER_02 (21:46):
Yeah, because they would stand by.
But still, you're being close tokids, creepy, but that actually
was like a plot point of howTaylor was able to like, and
they use that like against it.
So like they circled back tothat.
Uh, this movie was really funnythough.
It was funny.

SPEAKER_01 (22:00):
Um I'm gonna tell you right now, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 (22:03):
What about the scene where he thought Santa was
getting railed in the bathroom?
Because they they're at a partyat the same time, so she's at
herself, then she has to put theSanta outfit on.
So the brother is in the stall,and they're like getting her
back in the pants, but it lookslike from somebody looking
underneath, Tom's just like hepissed up.

SPEAKER_01 (22:22):
They were so close to good.
But it was fine.

SPEAKER_02 (22:26):
You laughed a lot at this movie.

SPEAKER_01 (22:27):
But it was fine.
They were so it fell apart atthe end.

SPEAKER_02 (22:30):
Well, how did it how so, Daniel?

SPEAKER_01 (22:32):
The reveal that she that Taylor, that Hugh was
actually Taylor, and how allthat came together and the
ultimate resolution just fellflat for me.
They were really they were onstrong footing.
I enjoyed the premise of whatwas happening.
They had I could have used 20more minutes.
They had funny moments.
You're right, like the the thatscene with the changing in the
bathroom was really funny.
They had multiple moments.
That's where it peaked.

(22:52):
They had multiple good moments,like, and but then that the last
like the the conclusion was justunsatisfactory because they knew
they had to get back to normalHallmark slash crappy Christmas
movie, kind of wrapping it up,and they they just like did it
in the most like mundane ways.

SPEAKER_02 (23:12):
I would have liked them to have kissed with her in
the Santa outfit.

SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
I know you would have.

SPEAKER_02 (23:18):
And then like, or at least where she takes off the
the hat and she's still in theoutfit in the fat suit and they
share a kiss.
That would have been cute.
Um, I did really like it how herlandlord, like, she's like, Oh,
that's my dad visiting, but thenshe kept coming over to like
flirt with Santa, but then yourealize like the landlord lady
was lonely too.
Yeah, and clearly she's gonnaland like the actual CEO of the
ski lodge.
They hinted that the two of themcould get together.

(23:41):
Um, the daughter, the how thethe whole reveal happens because
the daughter got hurt, right?

SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
Yeah, she got hurt on the skis, and so all the
snowboardings, whatever, yeah.
The snowboards, the kids don'tsnowboard anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (23:52):
Um so was this movie really filmed outside?
You were very fixated on likewhat looked like their breath,
like in the cold.

SPEAKER_01 (23:58):
Well, no, it wasn't the outside thing that got me,
it was the actual cold setting.

SPEAKER_02 (24:03):
Yeah, so it wasn't like a July day, like they do
some of these on.

SPEAKER_01 (24:06):
They multiple times when they were doing outside
shots, you saw their breath, andthat's not easy to fake.
Like it like that kind of infact, there were shots where it
was almost so much it wasdistracting because you could
tell how cold it was.
So they did film that out.
They m I think they must haveactually like filmed on location
at some sort of ski resortbecause that little town, the

(24:26):
ski resort built in kind ofalmost like that town setting,
just looked it it didn't looklike a set to me.
So I they did film outside incold.

SPEAKER_02 (24:34):
I know people that have seen Hallmark movies being
filmed, and they'll be like on aJuly day with pumping in the
fake snow, and then they havethe actors and they have to put
all the coats on and like thescarves, and I I don't know.
I think that's funny that theyalways have to do that.
Oh, catnip cafe lady, by theway.
I gotta circle back to this realquick because I was just
reminded of something.
I have to.

(24:55):
Um, she's having trouble getcoming up with the money.
If we sold at least one of thecoats, we could be well on our
way to having more money forthat down payment.
This woman had a coat in likeevery scene.
And I'm like, didn't you flyfrom California back to the
stand?
It's always what always bogglesmy mind with the Hallmark coat
thing is it's never the peoplethat like are going back to

(25:15):
their hometown and might havecoats in their old closet.
It's always the ones that havelike a comically small suitcase
or something that have like 50million coats.
And I'm like, where is it?
Hermione's magical bag fromHarry Potter.
How are you getting all thesecoats in here?

SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
Back to the Netflix Christmas movie we're actually
talking about.
Let me ask you this questionthis or champagne problems.

SPEAKER_02 (25:35):
At first, I thought I was gonna pick this one
because it was really funny inthe moment, and I laughed a lot,
and it was just it was a reallygood movie for like a Friday
evening, especially maybe not somuch for my rib injury, because
every time I laugh, I'd be like,ah, I strange a muscle on my
rib.
Don't get old, guys.
What what does Frankie's dadsay?
Don't get old, Mike.
Um anyway.

(25:56):
Looking back though, when I lookat them after you know, I
ruminate on it for a little bit,I still think Champagne Problems
was the better movie of the two.
It had more heart.
I liked the characters, I likedthe resolution.
So I'm still going withChampagne Problems so far as the
best one from Netflix.
But this one was the funniestone we've watched this year.

SPEAKER_01 (26:17):
I I can agree with that.
Yeah.
I th the Champagne Problems wasbetter overall and like had a
more meaningful, impactfulstory.
But this one was the funniestone of the season so far.

SPEAKER_02 (26:27):
So tell me, Daniel, how would you have fixed the end
of it?
Since you say because you werereally vibing on it till they it
How would I have fixed it?
Would you have added 20 minutes?
Because they did kind of wrap itup.

SPEAKER_01 (26:38):
Yeah, they wrapped it up quickly.
I don't know if it was a timingthing.
I just feel like the reveal fellflat.

SPEAKER_02 (26:45):
Was it because it was such a like uh I don't know,
what's the word I'm looking for?
Like suddenly the rugs out foryou watching Santa possibly get
railed in the bathroom and thenBoom, boom, boom!

SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Like a meeting, we try to resolve the movie.
Like that was like the crescendojoke, right?
And then all of a sudden, andthen like two minutes later, she
find you know, they find outthat her daughter fell, and
suddenly she just runs out ofthat room, drops the voice, and
just runs, and then she'sstanding by the EMS when she
pulls the And I'm sitting therelike load the kid in the car.

SPEAKER_02 (27:16):
And why is everyone asking questions?

SPEAKER_01 (27:19):
I feel like, you know, probably to make the
spectacle go even higher, youwould have had to probably have
somebody like pull the mask offof her.
I don't know.
It just I feel like you neededthere, was just it just kind of
fell flat for me.

SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
Well the EMT people weren't doing a very good job.
We got the kid in the neckbrace.
Yeah, they were just like I'd belike, we answer questions at the
hospital.
Let's load up, please.

SPEAKER_01 (27:42):
Yeah, like they were just letting all this happen,
and I I just don't know, like,you know, they needed a reveal,
they needed an old lady faintingat like the suggestion that
Santa Claus was actually awoman, something like that, to
just add a little bit of comedy.
The okay, no, here's my problem.
The problem is the reveal ofTaylor as Santa Claus was at a

(28:03):
moment of hey, your daughter isin a neck brace being put into
an EMS.
Yeah.
And they completely remember itwas a comedy movie, and they
took oh, there was nothing funnyabout the reveal.

SPEAKER_02 (28:14):
Well, I'm not gonna say it for the third time, but
the whole Santa in the bathroomthing, a sentence I never
thought I'd say, not once, letalone twice.
It was very like we went fromthat to that.

SPEAKER_01 (28:23):
Yeah, it was funny, and that's the problem, is the
reveal should have been in amoment that should have brought
some humor, even though it wasgonna bring some drama for the
characters and consequences, andit just didn't do that, and
instead it it it kind of justbrought the mood down in a funny
way to have it surrounded, tohave this reveal circling around
the the potential injury of achild.

SPEAKER_02 (28:44):
Yeah, but it was I would I feel like if you're
looking for something funny,this one.
Um next one is we're going backto Hallmark with the queen of
Hallmark, Lacey Shaber, which ohmy gosh, huge breaking news in
the Hallmark and Disneycommunity.
Speaking of Lacey, we allfigured it was happening because

(29:05):
Lacey's been spotted at some ofthe Disney parks filming.
They are doing it's likesomebody said, you know what?
I'm gonna write this movie forhope.
They are doing coming 2026, aHallmark Christmas movie filmed
on location at Walt DisneyWorld.
But that's not till next year.
So we're talking about she'smaking a list on Hallmark,

(29:28):
starring Lacey and who is themale lead, Andrew Walker, also
known as on this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 (29:33):
Pencil man, and he held a pencil in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 (29:37):
All right, Daniel, you give us the plot synopsis to
this riveting piece of media.

SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
Hold on just one second.
Sorry.
Lacey Schabert is works for acompany that Santa Claus has
outsourced the production of thenaughty list to.

SPEAKER_02 (30:02):
The naughty and nice list.
There's no elves working here.

SPEAKER_01 (30:05):
So what that means is worked there for 20 years.
First of all, Santa, dirtycapitalist.
Um also it means that the peoplewho make the naughty list,
because they are not SantaClaus, they're regular people.
They're not they do not havepowers.

SPEAKER_02 (30:25):
Do they think they get recruited by like the FBI?
Because if this agency reallywell, I guess they're it's the
whole plot of the movie, theyreshape it.
Like, I would like to work, likeI would have been a great
inspector.

SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
Again, so these individuals with no special
powers are stalking children.

SPEAKER_02 (30:41):
But the boss's name is Rudolph.
Did you notice that?

SPEAKER_01 (30:44):
Uh you know, yeah, and it made no sense whatsoever.
So, so sh Lacey Chabert is astalker, paid stalker, that goes
around town watching kids frombushes and then deciding whether
they're naughty or nice.
That's the plot of the movie,guys.

(31:05):
That's it.
There's nothing else I have tosay.

SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
Um, she's up for no, you're missing.

SPEAKER_01 (31:09):
Yeah, she's up for a promotion, and she gets audited
by the auditors of the companythat does the naughty list.

SPEAKER_02 (31:16):
It's like their compliance department.

SPEAKER_01 (31:18):
And they're like, you should reconsider XYZ.
So she goes to reconsider XYZ,sees this girl doing a bunch of
bad stuff, follows her aroundlike a stalker, ends up at her
house, gets caught by her dad,Pencilman, makes up some shm
stupid story about why she'sthere.
She says she works for the powercompany and she's there to look
at his electric box for hisChristmas lights.
Honey, baby girl, the powercompany don't do that.

SPEAKER_02 (31:42):
Uh, you are missing some little things about the
agency.
She had already met Pencilman,but like pretended like not to
notice him.

SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
Oh, that's right, because she was pretending to be
a um ticket person, puttingparking tickets on.

SPEAKER_02 (32:00):
So he already recognized her.
I would have been like, is thiswoman stalking me?
But I guess when you're hot, youget by with anything.

SPEAKER_01 (32:08):
I think he's playing a dumb character in this movie.
I don't think he A little bit.
The character that Pencil I'mnot saying pencil man is is
dumb.
I'm saying the character he wasplaying in this movie did not
have a lot going on.

SPEAKER_02 (32:17):
But I also think it's another example of how hot
people can get away withanything.
Because if Lacey looked like atroll, he would have been like,
Troll in the dungeon! He wouldhave not do you not agree?
It's like the whole Fifty Shadesof Grey thing.
If Christian Gray had been anugly fat man, like no one would
be into him.
Like hot people can get awaywith a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (32:38):
Anyways, she ultimately decides uh uh agrees
to go on a date with him.
Um not uh she does like him andshe is into him, but more
importantly, she goes on thedate as a the excuse she uses is
she's spying on the kid.

SPEAKER_02 (32:52):
She's trying to get Charlie, the daughter, off of
the naughty list.

SPEAKER_01 (32:55):
Off the naughty list, and she finds all these
reasons that Charlie's doingstuff.

SPEAKER_02 (32:59):
I can't believe you're not even gonna mention
her disguise that they alsoreferenced before you re right
after you referenced it.
Remember, she they have otherinspectors walking around and
she's like, Well, I'm gonna haveto not stand out.
So what does she do?
Does she dye her hair?
Does she put on a wig?
Does she wear prophets?

SPEAKER_01 (33:14):
She puts on Santa Claus or glasses.

SPEAKER_02 (33:17):
Regular glasses.
Regular glasses on And Daniel'slike, What is she Superman?
And then I was like, Well, thatwould actually be Clark Kent,
because I'm a nerd too.
And then, like, they referencedit because he sees her, he's
like, Oh, I like your glasses.
Very Clark Kent.

SPEAKER_01 (33:31):
Now, I have a note for this movie, and I feel like
before we finish it, I have togo over this.
So they did a flashback early onin the movie.

SPEAKER_02 (33:39):
Oh my gosh, you're so fixated.

SPEAKER_01 (33:40):
I don't know why, because they never did it again.

SPEAKER_02 (33:42):
They I they explained why they did the
flashback this way at the end.
You weren't paying attention,but go on, I'll explain it to
you.

SPEAKER_01 (33:48):
Okay.
Anyways, so you know, there's alot of different ways you can
show the audience that it's aflashback.
And for some reason in this one,they just put a white border
around it like it's a pictureframe or something stupid.
And I'll be honest with you, Isaid out loud because that's
just how I am now, why not theyjust do what like why do they
have to do this weird pictureframe thing as the flash just?

(34:10):
Just give me a piss filter or ablack and white filter.
And then what did I do?
Now I was referencing somethingvery specific there with the and
you knew immediately withouteven asking me if that that I
was referencing suits.

SPEAKER_02 (34:23):
Because what I said was we paused the movie.
I said, Oh, speaking of, I waslike, John Paul foul, shout out,
John Paul.
I was like, he told me hestarted watching suits, and you
were like, So you clocked itthat I was revering suits.
I'm like, yeah, of course, yes,of course.
But okay, so back to the pictureframe, because she was, I guess,
like, I think like her mom diedor whatever.

(34:45):
Dead mother drink drink, and herdad wasn't around dead beat dad,
baby dad drink.
So she would always like likelittle was moving around at
different places.
So she had this book where andshe was like, I just want to
make everybody happy.
Their Christmas wishes cometrue, because that's kind of how
she got in the agency.
So she had like a book that shemade of the wishes, because when
they do meet Santa at the end ofthe movie, who's not at the

(35:09):
North Pole, but he's inDelaware.
Bad Sandra, by the way.
She has her book of all herChristmas wishes.
They should have been consistentand used the same Santa from
like those holiday touchdownmovies, but I guess that Santa
is too busy interfering in theNFL.

SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
I didn't like the Santa.
I don't like it when okay.

SPEAKER_02 (35:28):
I would have liked if Tim Allen showed up as Santa.
Oh, Scott Kevin.

SPEAKER_01 (35:33):
Stupid as Santa in the Bills Chiefs movies are.
It was a wink and a nod.
It could be Santa, it could justbe some random guy dressed.
In this movie, well, and thisgoes to the bigger thing about
this movie.
Not only did they meet Santa andit was Santa, and everybody
recognized it as Santa.
Wait, this is a not this is notour Earth.

(35:57):
This is an alternate universebecause everybody knows Santa
exists.
Because when Lacey says she'sgonna get coal because she's on
the naughty list, pencil mandoesn't go.
What do you mean I get her thepresent?
He goes, Yeah, I know.
I saw that she got coal lastyear and I replaced it real
quick at the last minute.

(36:19):
Like, I'm gonna the parentsdon't have to buy the kids
presents because Santa does itin this world.

SPEAKER_02 (36:29):
I thought it was we were gonna, I thought that was
gonna be part of the conflictthat like like that he wasn't
gonna believe that she workedfor this agency, but it was just
like absolutely accepted.

SPEAKER_01 (36:39):
They go to meet Santa, another we can add that
hot cocoa that they didn't drinkto another list of like like
exactly because like the thelittle girl she's following
clocks her eventually and findsout what she does.
Yeah.
And I get it that the kid wouldbelieve her when she says what
her job is.

SPEAKER_02 (36:55):
But the adult's just like, oh, okay.
So yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (36:59):
And then we're gonna we're gonna get on a plane and
we're gonna go to Delaware andmeet Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_02 (37:03):
Yeah.
Did you say he lived in Delawarefor tax purposes?

SPEAKER_01 (37:06):
Yeah, it was uh they set up their corporation.
It was not a good joke inDelaware for tax purposes.
So they have this other plot.

SPEAKER_02 (37:13):
Of this guy.
They have this other plot ofthis like Italian guy that's
like her nemesis at work that'salso up for the promotion and is
a bad guy, kind of like herboss.
And like, I could have we couldhave just had the boss be the
bad guy.
I don't know what the point ofthe weird Italian guy was.
But then at the end, likeobviously Santa's like, okay,
well, with clearly the formulafor naughty and nice doesn't

(37:34):
work.
I don't know where the elvesare.
And he's like, So we're gonna doit, we're gonna make some
changes.
And the one guy, Rudolph, not areindeer, regular man, who was
on the golf course, he getsbasically fired.
But then at the end, like youfind out why he was all there's
a lot of plot, like why he wasso grouchy about it was because
he got coal as a kid.
So then they they totally pull aSanta Claus, so him and the

(37:56):
weird Italian guy get like thechildhood presence they never
got before, like Neil with hisweenie whistle and Scott
Calvin's ex-wife with hermystery date, and they really
they really kind of did that.
But yeah, we you and I werelike, oh, so Santa is just
socially accepted in this wholething.
But I'm like, everybody justagrees he's really I'm with you

(38:17):
on this because I think in r ifSanta really did give kids coal,
that's terrible.

SPEAKER_01 (38:23):
Also, I have to ask in our modern day of 2025,
approaching 2026, like, do weneed to update the Santa lore a
little bit with the like the badpresent?
Like, does coal even really meananything?
Like because in the olden days,you got coal, and they're like,
Wow, that wasn't a fun present,it did serve a purpose because
you could warm your house withcoal.

(38:44):
I guess that's the idea.
So, what would be a bad gift?
It's a guess, it's a gift, butit actually does serve a
purpose.
And so now it's like, what doyou give kids?

SPEAKER_02 (38:51):
What do you think would be like a bad present?

SPEAKER_01 (38:53):
I don't uh what I don't know, like 50 bucks off
the electric bill.

SPEAKER_02 (38:57):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (38:58):
Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (38:59):
I was just going like old people candy.
Okay, so you hated this one.

SPEAKER_01 (39:03):
Yeah, this was terrible.
This was awful.
This was the dredge of humanity.

SPEAKER_02 (39:07):
I feel like because of Lacey and Andrew Walker, aka
Pencil Man, I liked it, but I'mI'm not as anti-Santa showing up
in these movies as you.

SPEAKER_01 (39:16):
Oh, well, that's true.
I have a bias.

SPEAKER_02 (39:18):
Um, that just garland for you, if you know you
know.
Because the next one that youdid not watch is the worst
Hallmark one of 2025 that I haveseen.
It is called The Christmas Cup.
I was like, oh, I'll watch thisone because it's like two
neighborhoods feuding over aChristmas cup.
That could be ridiculous.
The acting, not good.

(39:40):
The premise, not good.
Um, it's basically this she'slike a marine, but she got like
injury, discharged, so she'scoming home, but she's trying to
get back to reinstated, and shemeets this other man who was
like the firefighter guy, but hewas in the army.
Just to be clear, he's in thehe's in the tail on the bridge.
I just want to make surecompeting with the other tail.

SPEAKER_01 (40:02):
I want to make one clarification here just for my
purposes before you go forward.
The Christmas cup.
Is it a cup or is it a cup likein a sense of- is it a cup as in
a cup that you drink liquid outof?
No, it's like a trophy.
Or is it a cup in the sense oflike what a guy would put on to
protect himself in a sporting?

SPEAKER_02 (40:18):
It's a trophy, but it's not like the Gellar Cup
from Fred.
That's all I kept thinkingabout.
Is the Gellow Cup?
It's just a trophy.

SPEAKER_01 (40:24):
But these two Does everybody else just seeing a
troll doll?

SPEAKER_02 (40:26):
These two now do two by four.
These two competing towns, andher dad is like the mayor, but
he's like retiring as mayorbecause I guess mayors have term
limits.
Is that do they really haveterms?
I don't know.
Some places do.
But like the towns share thepolice and fire department.
So that's how she but the firedepartment guy, he's in the
Bridgeport, the competing town,and he's gonna help her

(40:47):
Christmas cup team.
The competitions in theChristmas cup is Cheg Chugging
Eggnog, which looks horrendous.
Um blind tasting a cookie, andyou have to name all the
ingredients, and the chefs.
Untangling Christmas lights.

SPEAKER_01 (41:06):
Flour, sugar, eggs.

SPEAKER_02 (41:08):
He forgot ginger, and he's a chef.
And one of the um untanglingChristmas lights, Christmas
trivia, but like about thetalent specifically, and a
snowball fight.
But the big conflict was thatshe's gonna get reinstated, but
she has to show up to Hawaii onChristmas Day.
That's when they're shipping herout, and so she feels like she's

(41:31):
let her team down becausethey're like, This would be the
perfect job for you becauseyou're a Marine.
I'm like, yes, because being aMarine and captain of the
neighborhood Christmas Cupcompetition is the same thing.
But this one took me like threedays to finish, y'all, just so I
could check it off that list.
I would give this one a I wouldgive this one coal and put it on

(41:53):
my naughty list.
You know what?
If a Hallmark movie is bad forme, it must be a few more.

SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
I don't know why, I don't know why it took us this
long um to do this, but nextyear, all of our movies we're
just gonna say, instead ofsaying well, they were good or
they were fine or we didn't likeit or whatever, is it did they
get a coal or did they get apresent?

SPEAKER_02 (42:09):
Okay, Christmas at the Captain of Cafe, coal or
present.

SPEAKER_01 (42:13):
Present.

SPEAKER_02 (42:13):
My secret Santa.
Present.
She's making a list.
Cole.
Cole.
Um the Christmas cup, coal.
There you go.
Alright, so that's enoughChristmas chatter.
I also watched without Slompois.
The Secret Lives of MormonWives.

SPEAKER_01 (42:28):
I'm just sorry, everybody.
This is she puts the sheabbreviates this to S-L-O-M-W on
my notes.

SPEAKER_02 (42:35):
Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
Yes, season three reunionspecial.
This could have been an email.
It basically served as a previewto season four.
They weren't, they're like, oh,we could get into this, but we
can't talk about that.
It was mostly a lot of Demi andlike Jen shouting back and forth
at each other.

(42:56):
Whitney uh barely spoke.
She said like one thing.
There's one scene where they'relike backstage because Dakota,
apparently on a show that's noteven his, can demand the only
way he'll come on stage if allthe ladies exit the stage.
So they're all backstage, butthe cameras are back there.
You've got Demi like screamingand crying, and Whitney, I think
I sent you the TikTok, is justsitting there like putting

(43:16):
mayonnaise on her sandwich,which Whitney, by the way, is
going to play Roxy on Chicago.
Good for her.
I feel like after season four,she's unless they can convince
her to stay on the show, she'sgonna be done because she's
doing a movie, she's doing this.
Like, she barely talked, really,everybody barely talked.
I guess they filmed for 12hours, and the reunion special

(43:37):
was only one hour, and all thecast people are like, Why is
this not there?
Uh, two of the girls wereclearly disassociating because
again, like SA was a big topicof it, and one of the girls was
trying to say that, like, who alot of people have accused of
lying.
I don't know, I don't want toever tell somebody else's story,
but like at that Vanderplumpvilla, I fight I do not want to

(43:58):
hear about this Marciano guyanymore.
But I guess like he grabbed oneof her butts and she was like,
Oh, you guys should know how Ifeel.
Grabbed her butt, not one of herbutts, grabbed her butt.
And she's like, You guys shouldknow how I feel because you guys
dealt with this.
Well, one of the girls,Michaela, has dealt with it
since she was six years old andwas like, That happened to her

(44:18):
as a child.
That is not the same thing oftrauma.
Are you laughing?
You're not laughing at this, areyou?

SPEAKER_01 (44:25):
I just I just kill myself.
Oh, you're not very good.

SPEAKER_02 (44:29):
Well, do you not agree?
Like, you shouldn't comparethat.
That was abusive.
So I felt like Michaela justbecause they don't want to, you
don't want to say anything,because then you don't want to
seem like you're being a liarabout somebody else's story.
So they just clearlydisassociated the whole time.
Michaela's like, I'll talk aboutthe reunion later because
there's a lot you didn't see.
I felt like I was watching acommercial for Dunkin' Donuts

(44:51):
because they had a whole Dunkinbar set up.
I'm like, half these peopledon't even drink coffee.
We know this from Mormon Wives.

SPEAKER_01 (44:56):
I feel like what is going on?
From a person as a person whohas not really watched the show,
like I think I've sat on thecouch and watched and like
suffered through maybe 15 to 20minutes total of these three
seasons.
I feel like this show, like alot of reality shows go on
forever and ever and ever.
And I think this one's gonnaburn out bright and fast.
Like, because I think a lot ofthe main people who are bringing

(45:17):
people in, like Whitney, yeah,they're gonna aren't gonna be
there anymore.
Taylor, do you really thinkafter Taylor's doing
bachelorette?
Now that she's the bachelorette,do you really think she's gonna
come back to the show?

SPEAKER_02 (45:26):
In the first couple episodes of season three, Taylor
was off on a therapy retreat.
Whitney wasn't filming, and Ican tell you those episodes were
boring.
So really nothing got resolved,nothing got talked about.
It was a huge waste of time.
Um, speaking of waste of time, Ialso, without you, I watched
they did for the first time aDancing with the Stars holiday
special.

SPEAKER_01 (45:46):
I'm glad I missed that.

SPEAKER_02 (45:47):
Yeah, I love a good holiday special, but this was
only a few new dances, and let'sshow old Christmas dances from
past seasons.
So this was called like ABC, andDisney Plus was like, let's put
out some content.
And it was filmed in advance, soit wasn't live.
The one thing I liked about itthough was that Emma did a
dance.
All I want for Christmas is mytwo front teeth, and so Andy was

(46:08):
just a giant giant tooth.
And Reginald Vell Johnson, akaCarl Winslow, uh came out to,
you know, walk two more stepsand look cute as can be, dressed
as a tooth.
So I don't care that the man canbarely move.
He's a precious, he's a gem.
And I love that Emma includedboth him and Andy in this dance,
but he made Andy look like amirror ball champion.

(46:30):
But um, yeah, that was fine.
I also watched the Disney.
Do you watch?
Yes, you did watch some of thiswith me.
Disney Parks.
I always watch their holidayspecial.
I watched their Christmas paradeon Christmas Day, and I always
watch their holiday specialbeforehand.
And let's just say the samepeople that planned the Macy's
parade were not in charge ofthis because I was like, who is
this?
Mariah the scientist.

(46:51):
Who is this?
She's saying Santa Baby inAnimal Kingdom.
I don't know who Mariah the sthe scientist is.
Um, I know you had a veryvisceral reaction when she's
like, my favorite part of I'mfrom Atlanta, my favorite part
of Christmas is snow.
And Daniel's like, it barelyever snows in Atlanta.
But then she clarified, she'slike, but when it does snow.
So Atlanta people weigh in.

(47:12):
How often does it snow?
On on Christmas specifically inAtlanta.
Uh I knew Trisha Yearwood.
I knew her.
I knew they're not calledthey're called Lady A now.
I knew them.
But like they didn't even wheelout, they wheeled out
Pentatonics for the dancing withthe stars thing.
Pentatonics wasn't even in thisDisney park special.
What a shame.
I was like, who are thesepeople?
What is it?

(47:32):
Who are these people?
Who are these people?
It was Derek Huff, though, a lotof him.
He's a sauna dance man.

SPEAKER_01 (47:37):
A lot of him.

SPEAKER_02 (47:38):
A lot of him.

SPEAKER_01 (47:39):
I like you're sitting there complaining
because they did go to the MagicKingdom until the very end.
They did at the beginning andthe end.
And I was like, but the theywere terri telling a narrative
story of Derek traveling to theMagic Kingdom by going through
all the other parks.
I thought I I like that wasimmediately like obvious to me
that I'm gonna be able to dothat.

SPEAKER_02 (47:57):
I really like how I watch this stuff, but you pay
attention to the finer detailsmore than I do.
And it I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (48:04):
I don't like that.
I'd rather just not.

SPEAKER_02 (48:06):
Also, Christmas in Rockefeller Center snooze.
Who were half of these people?
I knew who Kristen Chenowithwas, I know or is.
I knew obviously I knew Reba.
I know um Michael Bublet, theyalways wheel him out at
Christmas too.
No pentatonics in this, a bunchof other people.
They had one uh singer thatdefinitely does she does the
curse of singing like this.

(48:28):
I feel like I could be a singer,don't make me sing.
And I don't there's just alwayssomebody that has to do that
old-timey voice.
And I'm sitting there, I'm like,I remember when they used to
have Rosemary Clooney on this,and Daniel's like, she's been
dead forever.
I know that.
I'm just talking about like Ifeel like it used to be a bigger
deal than it is, the RockefellerCenter thing.

(48:50):
And then I know also I had noidea that they um lip synced for
this.
I just always thought they seenlive.
I've I knew they seen it seemedlive for Macy's.
I feel like I've been like fed alie.
Some people are better at lipsyncing, though, because Kristen
Chinowith looked like she wassinging live.

SPEAKER_01 (49:07):
Yeah.
We guess some people were betterat New Edition.

SPEAKER_02 (49:10):
Uh that's like the band.
They're like an old time, likeway before my time.
Like Bobby Brione with theHouston's.

SPEAKER_01 (49:16):
They're not new anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
Husband, no, they're like old edition.
They like got back together.
They have a holiday album out.
That's when I was like, are theylip syncing?
Because like one of the newedition people is sitting there
like this.

SPEAKER_00 (49:25):
He's doing the Ricky Valley.

SPEAKER_02 (49:27):
I guess the what?

SPEAKER_00 (49:29):
The Richie Valley.
Ricky Valley?
What's his what's the guy's?

SPEAKER_02 (49:34):
Who are you talking about?
Ricky Valley.

SPEAKER_01 (49:39):
What's that movie you guys you made me watch?
About the singing guys.
From New Jersey.
Jersey Boys.

SPEAKER_02 (49:48):
They sing in Jersey Boys.

SPEAKER_01 (49:50):
Right.
But the make the that one moviewas about what's his name?

SPEAKER_02 (49:55):
Frankie Valley.

SPEAKER_01 (49:56):
Frankie Valley.
And now Frankie Valley and thenow old and the memes of him up
there.
Okay.
Guys, I'm singing his 90s.
I don't know why I'm it's fifth.
This shouldn't have been a50-minute episode.
Yet here we are, and I'm stilltrying to just string sentences
together.

SPEAKER_02 (50:10):
You're talking about Ricky.
Okay, well, you spent the first10 minutes talking about
sausage.
Alright, guys.

SPEAKER_01 (50:16):
It's a good Christmas sausage.

SPEAKER_02 (50:18):
Anyway, I did finish Tell Me Lies, seasons one and
two.
Steven DeMarco, biggest villainin television movie history I've
ever seen.
But we will talk about that morebefore season three drops.
I believe it's coming outsometime in mid-January.
So the episode prior to maybeit'll be when we come back.

(50:41):
I don't know.
I'm gonna give you guys my fullreview on season one and two and
what I expect to happen fromseason three.
But once again, the there's beenseveral of you that told me to
watch this show.
You guys nailed it.
I felt like like I have likeafter watching all this crappy
Hallmark stuff, like, which I dolike, but like tell me lies,

(51:01):
like diabolical.
Steven DeMarco, biggest villainever.
I feel like my jaw just droppedmultiple times, and it's really
hard for me to do that in ashow.
So I promise you, I will talkabout that in full as we get
closer.

SPEAKER_01 (51:14):
This guy's better than the Joker.

SPEAKER_02 (51:16):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (51:19):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (51:19):
Steven DeMarco is the worst villain I've ever
seen.

SPEAKER_01 (51:24):
Well, folks, that about does it for this episode
of the WeWatch TV podcast.
Um, if you like this podcast andyou want to support us, go click
the heart buttons or the upthumb butt thumbs up buttons.
Don't give us coal.
Or yeah, don't give us coal orwhatever whatever the positive
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(51:46):
We have an Instagram account,WeWatch TV podcasts, we do funny
stuff there, share weird memes,and other than that, I don't
have anything else for you.
Hit me up.
What are your favorite Christmascured meats?
Let me know.
I'm on Twitter.
Send me a message.
I might check it in seven to tenbusiness days when I get on

(52:08):
there and look.
What are your favorite curedmeats for the holiday?
Anything else you want to share,or are you just gonna let me
talk about cured meats?

SPEAKER_02 (52:15):
I'm I'm out.

SPEAKER_01 (52:16):
Christmas sausage.
I want to hear about it.
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