May 7, 2025 • 54 mins
In today’s episode, Gina and Amber are diving deep into the wild world of creative criminal sentencing. We’re talking bread-and-water diets, lawnmower justice, court-mandated makeovers, and yes—someone actually had to knit sweaters as punishment. From animal neglect to sidewalk-stomping road rage, these stories feature judges who didn’t just throw the book—they rewrote the entire genre. Come for the crimes, stay for the sentencing—and see how these mischief-makers got served a steaming hot plate of poetic justice. Whether it’s jail time in a wig or holding up a sign that screams “I’m an idiot,” you’ll be laughing and lowkey thankful you’ve never crossed paths with these legendary judges. 🧩 Riddle of the Day: “What hired killer never goes to jail?” Stay tuned for the answer! 📢 Follow & Subscribe: Subscribe on Patreon: www.patreon.com/weirdtruecrime Website: www.weirdtruecrime.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/weirdtruecrime TikTok: www.tiktok.com/weirdtruecrime YouTube: www.youtube.com/@weirdtruecrime Email: weirdtruecrime@gmail.com Edited by - djaudio22@gmail.com True Crime Podcast Festival 2025 • RSVPify. Proud Member of Fire Eyes Media LLC ⭐ Leave us a 5-star review to support weird justice and weirder humor!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Fire Eyes Media.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's no secret around here that some of our favorite
episodes to bring you all is our dumb Criminals. One
of my favorites is actually one of the more recent stories,
the guy who robbed Subway for cash to buy lunch
at pot Belly. There's just something about the fact that
he robbed them and basically put down their sandwiches at
(00:26):
the same time that like really gets to me.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, that's a good one. He definitely added insult to
injury with that. But I honestly don't think I'll ever
forget the nail salon one, you know, the one where
the dude walked in did the whole everybody on the
ground give me your money shpiel, and literally not a
single person in that salon paid him the slightest bit
(00:51):
of attention, and like seeing him slowly, awkwardly walk out
of there was just priceless, Like kiss.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That one was hilarious. Now that I think about it,
I wonder if he had maybe done that before and
they were just like, oh God, it's this guy again.
Just ignore him, He'll go away.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Those women just they were just not faced. They looked
at him like, I don't get time for you.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay, buddy, We've talked about so many of the crimes
that these IQ deprived people have committed. But even though
that's where our story ends, that's not where their story ends.
What happens to some of them after the fact.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
There are some of the ones we've talked about in
the past that I literally do not see how the
cops kept a straight face when it was all going down,
much less the judge that later had to hear the
antics for sentencing exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So today we're going to go over ten unusual sentences
handed down to criminals for the crimes they committed. If
you like what you hear, please consider giving us a
five star rating and review wherever you're listening. It'll help
us continue bringing the weird.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Before we dive in, let's hear our riddle for the day,
what hired killer never goes to jail? Stay tuned to
the end to find out the answer.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Ah, Texas. Everything really is bigger here, even the creativity
of judges when handing out punishments. First, on today's list,
we're talking about a woman will call Mimi, who managed
to seriously tick off a judge by neglecting her horses.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, apparently, Mimi thought taking care of horses meant leaving
them starving in a muddy, trash filled lot behind her trailer.
Sounds lovely, right.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So dreamy. In fact, that one of the horses developed
absesses on his hooves and was swaying in pain because
he couldn't even stand properly.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Uh no, not okay. Prosecutors even described these poor animals
as emaciated, infected, and suffering from something called rain rot. Yeah,
sounds just as pleasant as it is.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, Judge Mike saw this and said, not on my watch.
Mimi was convicted of two counts of animal cruelty and
he sentenced her to thirty days in jail.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
But that's not all. For the first three days she
was only allowed bread and water.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
To eat medieval vibes amber.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Totally, and when asked about this interesting dietary plan, Judge
Mike reportedly said she's going to get more than her
horses got.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Ouch ough, ouch, but fair. And as if that wasn't enough,
the judge made Mimi put blown up photos of the
horses in her jail cell, telling Ruters quote, I want
her to be forever reminded of what her conduct did
to those horses. End quote.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That's the judicial equivalent of a parent saying, think about
what you've done exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Judge Mike also reminisced about the good old days, saying, quote,
I used to think back to the time when jail
was jail and punishment was punishment, and how they were
put in solitary confinement with only bread and water to eat.
That was in the back of my mind.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And yet, despite channeling his inner medieval dungeon master, Judge
Mike did show a little mercy by allowing Mimi to
serve her thirty day sentence on weekends so she could
still care for her three kids.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, hopefully better care than the horses received.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Mimi, by the way, claimed in court she fed those
horses about twenty eight pounds of food daily, blaming their
condition on their advanced.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Age, right, because we all know healthy horses, especially older ones,
naturally thrive on neglect and trash heaps.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Makes total sense, totally logical. Yeah, while prosecutors weren't buying
it either. Those horses were in their mid twenties and
could have lived comfortably into their early thirties with proper care.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well, well, here's hoping Mimi learns something from her bread
and water diet weekend get away.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And maybe invest in a pet rock next time.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, safer bet for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You know, the whole bread and water thing, Like I've
I fast a lot, just you know, so I could
totally live on bread and water for three days. It's
the putting up the pictures of the horses that got me.
It's like, it really is just that you look and
see and think about what you've done. And I don't know, sometimes,
like we've seen jail doesn't really do a whole lot
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to other people, and there's repeat offenders all the time.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Maybe she'll think.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Twice, maybe, but I also think she probably shouldn't be
allowed to own animals like that.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I'm thinking, I'm thinking that's probably the safer Yeah, just
no more, no more creatures for care for her. Now.
That is one of the saddest ones on our List today.
They are going to get more lighthearted for sure, well
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after this one. Anyway, This next judge, you'll be hearing
about him a few times in this episode. He was
well known for his less than typical sentences. Meet Judge
Michael Chicanetti from Ohio.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Our next defender on Our List Shelley got the pleasure
of meeting with Judge Chickenetti after she decided it was
a brilliant idea to abandon thirty five kittens in two parks. Yeah,
thirty five. Many were sick with respiratory infections and sadly
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nine didn't survive. Ironically enough, the kittens were traced back
to Shelley because they had identification callers.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Judge Chickenetti I think he was affectionately referred to is
Judge chick clearly upset, had an interesting question for Shelley.
How would you like to be dumped off at a
metro park late at night? Spend the night listening to
coyotes and raccoons, sitting out there cold, not knowing where
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your next meal is or when you'd be rescued, and
I mean fair.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, Shelley tried the classic a stranger dumped them on
my doorstop excuse, claiming the Humane Society refused.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
To help, to which the Humane Society said, no, that
never happened.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Judge Chickinetti, unmoved by her sob story, gave Shelley a
fascinating gave Shelley a fascinating choice. Ninety days in jail
or a cocktail punishment involving fourteen days jail time, fifteen
days house arrest, a thirty two hundred donation to the
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Humane Society, five hundred dollars to the park rangers who
found the kittens, and drum Roll, please one night alone
in the woods?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yes, which one Shelley picked now? Originally, Judge Chickanetti said
Shelley couldn't have food, books, or even entertainment devices, just
the clothes she wore, but due to the cold, he
did hint she might get permission to start a fire.
The park rangers took her to the forest at dusk
and picked her up the following dawn on Thanksgiving Day.
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Rangers were also there to monitor her to make sure
she was safe and didn't freeze. Because I want to say,
the temperatures got down to like thirty two that night
or something.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Oh wow, yeah, I mean she deserves it.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
It's thirty five kittens. I mean, handling one kitten is
hard enough. But if you tried one, Humane Society and they,
quote quote said they couldn't help, why aren't you calling
fifteen million other ones and reaching out to friends and
family members for help. They're living creatures.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's what I was gonna say. There's no excuse for
just dumping them like that, and the human anxiety is like, uh,
that never happened, because if she had called them, I
can tell you from experience, they would have done everything
in their power to find a safe place for those cats.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
If they couldn't take the men, if they were overpopulated,
they would have given her referrals. Try these people, Try
these fosters, try this, try this.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So yeah, no, no, she just didn't want to deal
with it. No, Oh, what would you pick? Would you
pick ninety days or would you pick the well, the
other one.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm honestly broke. Well, no going to jail. You're still
going to be paying a ton of fines anyway. So yeah, no,
I'd probably do the one night alone in the woods.
I'd get a break for my children.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Is that so sad that you would rather take just
a night in the woods with nothing but the clothes
on your back and maybe a fire and freezing weather
just to get a break from your kids.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Listen, after being sick this past week and the shit
that I went through a like forty eight hour hold in,
you know a special padded wall place doesn't sounding too
bad either.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I get it. I get it. My kids were also
home that sick this week and I had we had
similar things. I don't know if we got each other
sick from actually hanging out on your birthday or what,
or like my kids gave me germs that I gave.
I don't know what happened. It was a week. Let
me tell you, listeners, it's really you're lucky that we're here.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It is also Texas and allergies kind of come all
roided up and ready to like put the smack down
on you.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So this time of year, yeah, it could be. It
could be a plethora of different things.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I know, like seeing you for my birthday was fantastic.
It was a great I'm in my final year of
my thirties, enjoy it. But getting sick was just the
proof that, like, I really don't ever need to leave
my house again.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, this is what I get for having a good time.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
This is why I can't have nice things.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
No, but she did not deserve nice things for I can't.
I can't handle rehoming one old dog, yep, but she
can dump thirty five cats into the wilderness.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Kittens, tiny innocent little creatures that haven't even lived long
enough to thin for themselves.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, well, we're heading back to our home state of
Texas for this one. Get ready for crime punishment and
a whole lot of public shaming. This next story comes
straight out of Houston, where a couple got sentenced to
fourth theft and the judge got real creative with the consequences.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Meet Ellie and Dalton, who were both apparently very into
the idea of if you can't earn it, steal it.
These two managed to swipe more than two hundred and
sixty five thousand dollars over a seven year period. That's
not an oopsie. I had a moment of weakness. That's
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a part time job.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah. Ellie was working as an administrative assistant at the
Harris County District Attorney's office, so you know the place
where they prosecute crime. And she decided, hey, do you
know what would spice things up? Embezzling from crime victims. Yeah, victims.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
She pled guilty and faced up to life in prison,
but instead of life, both Ellie and Dalton got ten
years probation, one hundred and eighty days in prison. And ho,
you're going to this public signage that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Judge Kevin ordered the couple to put up signs outside
their house that say, and I quote, convicted thieves live here,
like a yard sign version of the scarlet letter. But
it gets better.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
After they served their one hundred and eighty days in prison,
Dalton had to spend every Saturday for six years, yes six,
standing at a high traffic intersection near the galleria wearing
a sign that says he's a thief. Ellie got Sundays
because what's a relationship without shared shame and equal weekend humiliation.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
The Harris County DA that took office in two thousand
and nine decided to run an audit on the Victim
Witness Division and uncovered some serious issues in the way
restitution money was being recorded. The funds weren't missing, however,
and we're traced back to Ellie. She didn't mince words either.
She said, quote Ellie betrayed victims, betrayed public trust, and
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betrayed our office end quote, adding that Harris County will
not tolerate that type of behavior.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I mean, it's just every step of that just gets worse.
Like two hundred and sixty five thousand dollars is a
lot of money, but she also worked for the DA,
and she took it from money victims that was supposed
to be allotted for crime victims, victims of crime, the
people that Yeah, it's just insane, like it's she's honestly,
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honestly super lucky. She did not get life in prison
like she got it easy. Yes, shame and humiliation is.
It's a good motivator, oh for sure. But like yeah, man, also,
was six years enough for her for them to have
to stand out there and do.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That, I don't think so, considering they could have gotten
she could have gotten life in prison and instead she
just sat on a corner for six years. Holy well.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I mean they did do one hundred and eighty days.
They did serve some prison time, so they did get
to see what they get to be grateful that they
didn't have to experience a lifetime of that. Just a
little snippet, but not to mention.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I mean, their records are shot. There to hold a
decent job or have any sort of normal life in
that town is gone.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yep. I wonder if they ever moved yeah, or if
they could yeah, well, I mean probably not until their
whole terms of their sentence were completed. But yeah, I
wonder if they were able to do that afterwards, or
if they had to take the signage with them.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
She got off real lucky.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Oh yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
All right. Picture this. You're a teenager, you're broke, you're bold,
and you decide the best move is to hop in
a cab for a thirty mile ride, knowing full well
you're not going to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh no, what is this Grand theft uber Ohio edition.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Basically, enter nineteen year old Veronica, we'll call her, who
thought it was totally fine to hitch a thirty mile
ride from Cleveland to Painesville and then just exit stage
left without paying the one hundred dollars fare.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I'm guessing the cab driver wasn't just like, oh it's cool,
ride'es on me today.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah no. So she gets hauled into court and her
judge was none other than Judge Michael Chickenetti. Yeah, he
tells Veronica, you've got two options, sweetheart. You can either
spend sixty days in jail or walk the full thirty
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miles you stiffed that cabby for and you've got forty
eight hours to get it done.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I would have just started walking right, been in there, like,
put me on a treadmill, judge, I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Veronica wasn't quite as eager, She told local news quote,
I've never been to jail, and I don't want to
go to jail. I'm kind of upset about this sentence,
you know, because I'm thinking I was going to go
in and just have to pay a fine. I guess
only one hundred dollars or whatever end quote or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Ma'am, you got a whole uber XL ride and dip.
You're lucky you didn't get an orange jumpsuit with it.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
For real. So she started the walk at the Lake
County Fairgrounds, but she chose to walk through the grass
and mud instead of the paved track, so she wasn't
making great time.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Okay, So poor decisions seemed to be her brand exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So the judge, being merciful and probably just tired of
watching someone trudge through muck like it was a live
action Oregon Trail, reduced the sentence from thirty miles to twenty.
On top of the walk, she was ordered probation for
four months and to pay the one hundred dollars back
to the Cabby.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
She ghosted, that's fair. I mean you mess with the meter,
you pay with your sneakers.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Judge Chikinetti said he gives these type of punishments mostly
to younger folks, first time offenders, who are at least
somewhat remorseful.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
That's generous. I mean somewhat remorseful is like the legal
equivalent of I kind of feel bad, but mostly just
don't want to go to jail pretty much.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, he said his goal is to make sure they
don't come back to court, and honestly, making someone walk
twenty miles in public while everyone knows why that'll do it,
and a walk of shame hits different when it's court ordered.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Absolutely, I was thinking the same thing, like, that's a
very clever punishment for somebody that young who's never really
been in trouble before and doesn't understand the repercussions for
doing something like that.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's basically mean, he's still treating them kind of like
a child because they're behaving like a child, and like,
how do you discipline your nine year old? You're not
gonna be like, Okay, you're going to jail, Like put
on the jumpsuit, buddy piece. You know you're you're gonna
make something that It's like with kids, you never want
to really hurting their feelings makes a bigger impact than
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spanking them or anything like that. So giving something that
a younger person like that is going to understand more,
Like you know, they're like, oh, I could go sit
in jail for a few nights, whatever, no big deal.
Oh no, you're going to walk twenty miles while everyone
laughs at you and knows exactly why you're walking. Like
that's going to have like that's her. That's the equivalent
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of hurting their feelings.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's going to make a s impaint and it gives
her plenty of time to think about what she did
and why it's not cool, which is the same thing
with kids. You can't just punish them without giving them
an explanation for why they're being punished. Yep, you know.
So I hope she learned her lesson and doesn't stiff
another driver because also it's not like those uber drivers
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are making a ton of money. It's not like he
even got that full hundred dollars, you know. So that's
devastating for somebody like that who's just saying to make
ends meet.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, that's their livelihood.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I hope she's in a better place now. Okay, okay, Amber,
were you ever so mad at your high school that
you just wanted to vandalize something?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I'm I'm sure that sentiment popped up once or twice,
but like I never actually did anything, because you know,
jail's vibe, I try to avoid.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That's smart. Well, nineteen year old Carson will call him,
didn't get that memo. Our boy decided to express his
feelings in the most Ohio way possible by mowing f
you into the football field at his high school with.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
A lawn mower. That's oddly polite vandalism. Like, I'm mad,
but I'm still going to stay within landscaping boundaries.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And it will also not be permanent and grow back
evctually anyway. So naturally, this case lands in front of
our favorite creative sentencing king, Judge Michael Chicanetti. So for Carson,
he was like, all right, buddy, you've got two options.
Ten days in jail, or you're gonna mow that field
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again properly this time.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And I mean that seems fair, but there's going to
be a catch for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, Carson didn't just get to hop on a riding
mower like some suburban dad on a Saturday morning. Oh no,
the judge made him use one of those old school
manual push mowers.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh that's not mowing the lawn. That's doing cardio in
public while slowly turning green from the grass.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Exactly. It took him nearly three hours to finish the
job in the sun, sweating through what I'm guessing was
a solid mix of regret and and grasp the things.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So did he learn anything?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Apparently yes, Carson told reporters, quote, I just want to
thank him for not sending me to jail. This was
a lot better, a lot easier than going to jail.
End quote. That's right, Carson. Next time, just yell into
a pillow like the rest of us. Did no need
to personalize a football field with profanity.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
See another case of you know, a younger person getting.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Also, what was he so mad about? What happened? Did
the the coach kick him off the team? Did?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Like Bayla test that they take his favorite burger out
of the cafeteria lunch menu like high school's rough man.
I'm so glad I don't have to go through that again.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, and we were at high school together. I don't no, no,
thank you, don't miss those days wanted to cuss out
somebody or punch something every day.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So you know, it's funny. I haven't seen one of
those manual push mowers in a minute. God, can you
imagine if like he made him use like a Oh no,
I guess a weed whacker would have been a little
faster probably.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Maybe, but it wouldn't have been as like accurate. Yeah
you know, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So he was thinking, he was planning ahead, trying to
keep the aesthetics while still giving him a little bit
of a punishment.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I love it. I love I do too.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
All right, gee, I hope you're ready for a story
that proves two things. One beer and bad decisions go
hand in hand, and two, Judge David h does not
play around when it comes to creative justice, kind of
like our buddy Chickenetti.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh okay, now this sounds promising. Tell me more.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
So.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Let's talk about J one and J two. We'll call
them two dudes who apparently thought it would be fun
to throw beer bottles and dent someone's car.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Ah. Yes, the ancient art of bro rage very refined
exactly well.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Judge David wasn't having it. You know, he could have
just tossed them in jail for sixty days, but where's
the flare in that? Instead he gave them a choice,
do the time or strut their stuff down Main Street
for an hour wearing dresses, full makeup and wigs.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
That's the kind of sentencing. I'm here for serf justice
and serve looks right.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Okay, So they took the dress up option. Otherwise we
wouldn't be here because, in their words, or at least
their logic, drag is still better than orange jumpsuits.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I mean, jail doesn't even let you accessorize, so fair. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So Jay one went with a chic all black number skirt,
coat and a black wig, very funeral meats fashion week. Meanwhile,
j two went bold a red dress, red wig, and
a fur coat.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Okay, but where's the reality show about this? I would
being a fell in fashion runway all day.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
They even drew a crowd. Ronda Wright, the deputy court clerk, said,
quote it was pretty good. You couldn't get up and
down Main Street because of the crowd watching them.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
End quote. Main Street turned into a catwalk and the
town turned out. We love public accountability. With a touch
of drama.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Unfortunately, it didn't stay fabulous for long. Someone in the
crowd decided to chuck a soda bottle at them, actually
hit one of the guys, and they got arrested.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh there's so much irony, uh huh, because nothing says
I disapprove like committing your own crime during a court
mandated fashion show.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
But thankfully, after that little disruption, the judge let the
boys in their walk. Early probably figured they'd done their
time in heals and humiliation.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
And this wasn't even Judge David's first rodeo. When it
came to creative sentencing, Ronda mentioned another time when vandals
who threw eggs were ordered to write I will not
throw eggs one thousand times and donate eggs to charity.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He also made car vandals auction off their own stuff
to pay for damages, like a court ordered garage sale
of shame.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Look, I respect the man's commitment to justice and poetic irony.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Judge David himself said jail over crowding inspired him to
get a lit unconventional and when it came to J
one and J two, he said, quote throwing the beer
bottles put them across the line and into my clutches
end quote.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
You know what, it's so true. It is such a
bro thing to do, just like throwing beer bottles at something.
So making them dress up like women is very fitting
if you think about it. But at the same time,
do you think they were embarrassed or do you think
that they like enjoyed the fame a little bit?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
They probably had, you know, they probably had a good
time with it. I mean, I don't know. You know,
it's fifty to fifty. They could have been pissed off
and humiliated the entire time, which would have really served
the sentences, the sentencing's purpose. I have a feeling though,
if the judge had seen them, like really enjoying themselves,
he would have been like, Okay, this isn't a punishment. Yeah,
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let's let's switch it up.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But true, he.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Had the irony and getting a bottle thrown. At least
it wasn't a beer bottle, yeah bottle.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh man, that's pretty funny. But I mean it's true.
It's like it's really worth putting somebody in jail over that,
where there's already so much overcrowding, Like, no, let's punish
them in a different way.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yep, Exa.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Hopefully they learned their lesson. That's funny. Picture this. You're
sitting in juvenile court watching your thirteen year old daughter
face assault charges, and the judge says he'll slash her
sentence if you give her a haircut right there in
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the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well that's a new one.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yep, Veronica will call her. The thirteen year old mom
filed a formal complaint after seventh District Juvenile Judge Scott
Johansson told her he'd cut her daughter's sentence if she
chopped off her daughter's ponytail. Veronica told the Desert News quote,
she definitely needed to be punished for what had happened,
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but I never dreamt it would be that much of
a punishment.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And what was what was that much? Why was Kayla?
We'll call her in trouble.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
So Back in March of twenty twelve, Kayla and an
eleven year old friend befriended a three year old at
McDonald's in Price, Utah, and then, according to officer Rob
Radley's report, quote, after acquiring the scissors, they returned to
McDonald's where they both took a turn cutting some of
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the little girl's hair off the back of her head.
End quote. The victim's mom, Mandy, gestured to her jawline
and said, it was beautiful. It was long, it had
natural curl, and now it's cut up to here.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
That is brutal. I have a daughter the same age,
with the same hair. I would have been so.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Sad, absolutely not to mention the unnecessary cruelty, like there's
no reason why a preteen needs to go cut a
toddler's hair off like that just for their own entertainment.
At hearing two months later, Kayla entered admissions not only
to that assault, but to another case, eight months of
phone calls to a Colorado teen threatening rape and mutilation.
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According to court audio, Judge Johansson called her behavior egregious.
He ordered thirty days in detention, money in restitution, and
two hundred and seventy six hours of community service.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
But then he sprung the haircut deal exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
He told Veronica, quote, if she was my daughter, I
wouldn't want her with the youth work crew end quote,
to which Veronica agreed. And then he said, quote, I'm
going to give you this option. I will cut that
by one hundred and fifty hours if you want to
cut her hair right now? End quote.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And Veronica was like.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Well, she questioned if he truly meant for her to
cut her daughter's hair right then and there. Judge confirmed,
and he said he'll go get a pair of scissors
and she can whack the ponytail off. Mandy, the victim's mom,
was there cheering it on understandably when the judge asked
her if she was satisfied if it was short enough,
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Mandy said no, So the judge instructed Veronica to cut
it off clear up to the rubber band, saying, take
a little bit at a time.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Seriously, it feels like a live action judge Judy gone.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Wild, yeah, and get this. After the haircut. The teen's
eleven year old friend also had to get her hair
trimmed to match the judges in a salon, though, then
report back so the judge could approve the cut. Johanson observed,
quote it was not really unattractive. They tried to make
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it decent, but there was really nothing left end Quoteikes.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
How did the court respond to Veronica's complaint?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, officially, the Utah States Courts spokesperson said the state
law bars discussing miners' cases. They pointed to statutes saying
juvenile sanctions must quote promote guidance and control, prevent future
unlawful conduct, and develop responsible citizenship end quote, leaving judges
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wide discretion. Colin Winchester, head of the Utah Judicial Conduct Commission,
noted complaints state confidential unless disciplinary actions follows, and that
can take months, even up to six or more. Veronica
told The Desert News she regrets taking Johansson's offer. Nope,
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I'm sorry if that was my kid and cut her
hair off myself. Oh, I would have done that before
the court hearing like you're going you like, it's just
it's they knew what they were doing. They befriended this
three this toddler, this three year old little girl, and.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I left out. They asked McDonald's employees for scissors, but
the McDonalds wouldn't give them any, So they left McDonald's,
went across the street to a dollar store, got scissors,
came back to McDonald's, and then cut the little girl's
hair off for what reason, to be assholes, Like that's
the only Like I just I don't get it if
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like my oldest had done that to you know, I've
got roughly the same age. I have a three year
old and an almost thirteen year old. If my thirteen
year old would have cut off a three year old's
hair like that, oh dear, oh, her head would have
been shaved. H Like, you just you don't do that.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Well, not to mention that she had been threatening somebody
else with phone calls for months and the mom's mad
that the judge made her cut her hair, I think
you need to fix your priorities.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
You better be thankful she's really not rotting in a
juvenile detention center for a hell of a lot longer
than what she got.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
She should be like, how what is her lesson for
for threatening that other person?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, for sure, I think I think it may have
gone in conjunction, but like you know, also there could
be other people that would side with the mom because,
like you know, but for me, like I mean, it
is it's just it's just hair.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
It's kind of I mean, in this circumstance, an eye
for an eye, Right, you chopped off this other little
girl's hair for no reason, so you lose your hair.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Ye see? And I know that, Like, well, now now
that girl's going to get made fun of because her
hair's chopped off, and okay, well you know what, so
what sorry? I mean here I am sitting with you know,
half of my hair anyway, and I'm just like, I
don't care, it's just hair. But I'm going to be
pissed if someone touches my kid's hair.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh of course, of course. I mean I have boys,
and I would be pissed if somebody touched their hair
because it's there. It's also their body, you know, Like I.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Think that's that's what it really boils down to. It's
not your body, it's somebody else's. Don't touch.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, and this mom needs to get her priority straight
if that's what she's upset about.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Okay, So get this. There's this woman in Cleveland who
decided that traffic laws were more of a suggestion than
a rule.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Oh boy, what did she do? Speeding, rolling through stop.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Signs, worse, way worse, Sharon will call her thought it
was totally fine to drive on these side I'd walk
to get around a school bus that was unloading kids.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Oh nope, nope. Just when you think you've.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Heard it all right, And it wasn't a one time
thing either. According to one mom, Lisa, Sharon did this
almost every day one year, so finally someone caught it
on camera. Bam, citation and the judge he got creative.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Too, Please tell me he made her ride a tricycle
through rush hour or something close.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
He sentenced her to stand on a street corner for
an hour two days in a row, holding a giant
sign that read only an idiot would drive on the
sidewalk to avoid a school bus.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Iconic. I hope it was in Comic Sands.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Hot take. I love Comic Sands. I'm a Neil showing yes,
damn MySpace an he went, oh God. She showed up,
bundled up in thirty four degree weather, rocking headphones, sunglasses,
and puffing on a cigarette, fully committed to ignoring everyone.
Reporters were everywhere, people were honking. One guy even yelled,
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why do you hate kids?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Kay? But seriously, why why?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
No one knows? She didn't talk to the press. Her
mom just sat silently in the car nearby, probably regretting
every life decision that led to that moment, and her
lawyer crickets.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
So did anything else happen to her? Yeap.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
She also had a thirty day license suspension and had
to pay two hundred and fifty dollars in court costs.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Honestly, that's the bargain bin version of a punishment. I'd
have made her direct traffic into two two.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Lisa, whose nine year old daughter was getting off that bus,
said the sign was perfect. Her exact words were, quote,
she's an idiot, just like her sign says end quote.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, brutal, savage mom energy, I'm here for it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Lisa also said Sharon laughed at every court appearance and
showed zero remorse, which is probably why the judge went
for the public shaming route. And listen, if your life
choices land you standing on a quarter while satellite trucks
live stream your humiliation, maybe it's time to rethink your commute. Seriously,
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I'm just happy in this instance, like it wasn't a
get this or this, It was you get this and
this because this one, yeah, you kind of kind of
kind of deserved it.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Only two days. I think she should have gotten longer
because it didn't really sound like it made She was
just like fuck it, whatever, you know. I wonder how
old she was because I have a feeling if her
she it sounds like she was probably pretty young.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I mean, she was old enough to be driving.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
So yeah. Also as someone who picks up my kid
from his bus drop off basically every day, and I'm
in a neighborhood and the cars that will come and
just like keep creeping up. I swear there have been
times where I've rolled my window down and like, if
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you keep moving, I have no problem jumping out of
my car and doing something to you because my kid
has to cross the street. So don't even think about it.
That is not something you mess around with.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
No, Like you don't have to have kids to respect. No,
the life and safety of other people's children.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, is it annoying getting stuck behind a bus that
stops for Absolutely? Does that make it okay get up
onto the sidewalk to pass? Absolutely not No, especially when
there are kids that could be trying to get to
that sidewalk. It's not like you're avoiding the situation.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Apparently.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
I have lots of strong feelings about Okay, Well, all right, Amber.
You know that sinking feeling when you walk out to
your car and see your tires flatter than your morning coffee.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Oh my god, yes, instantly makes you question all your
life choices, your enemy's list, and why you bothered leaving
your house to begin.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
With, Well, imagine that times fifty, because in one sleepy
German town, about fifty car owners woke up to find
their tires had been savagely slashed. And no, it wasn't
a scorned lover or a neighborhood teen with too much
red bull.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh no, it was an eighty nine year old grandma
who will call Mama, who was just plane fed up
with people parking in front of her house.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Mama didn't file a complaint, she didn't call the city. Nope,
she went straight up vigilante, tire after tire. She was
like the Batman of cul de Sac parking enforcement. If
Batman wore orthopedic shoes and carried a kitchen knife.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Fifty tires y'all five zero. She didn't even try to
hide it, Just out there granny, slash and stab, restoring
peace and quiet to her street, one side wall at
a time.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Her reign of tire terror finally came to an end
when a neighbor caught her in the act and called
the cops. And when questioned, she fully confessed, just shrugged
and said she was.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Fed up mood.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Now you think they'd toss her in jail or find
her big time, right.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Oh but no, Germany decided to go full quirky justice
on this one. Since she couldn't afford the fine, the
authorities got creative. They sentenced her to knit sweaters for
all the car owners whose tires she slashed.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Let me repeat that she stabbed your car tire, You
get a sweater.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I hope she embroidered little tires on the sleeves, like, sorry,
I stabbed your ride. Stay warm to be fair.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Germans do take their cars very seriously, so the sweater
sentence weird, yes, but enforced almost definitely.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
As for Mama, prosecutor said she was moved and living
peacefully in a retirement home, far from any parked cars.
Something tells me she.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Kept the knife right somewhere in that night stand is
the blade that brought an entire neighborhood to its knees.
These days, she's probably just threatening wheelchair tires and making
passive aggressive duilies. Moral of the story, never underestimate a
grandma with a grudge and a sharp object.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I just I love everything. I mean, I hate for
the people that have to pay to like fix their
tires and whatnot. You know that that does suck, and
tires are expensive, but like, I just love everything about this.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
How many of these cars were actually affecting her ability
to like get out of her driveway or were in
front of her house.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
It wasn't just her, it was her friends and family.
They never had a place to park, They never had
a place, you know, to easily get in and out,
and so there's just people everywhere. And Mama just said,
all right, fuck this shit, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I I get it, Like I understand the frustration, especially
living in neighborhoods where people park on the street all
the time and it's like a pain in the ass
to get in and out or around or whatever, Like
a through street shouldn't, you know, be that big of
a pain and you should be able to park in
front of your own house. But oh yeah, I you know,
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if nobody listens, you just you take care of it yourself.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
This last story could have been featured on our last
What the Fuck episode where we shared some crazy fast
food restaurant shenanigans, but it's here because our favorite judge
is back one last time. Anyway, Gee, ever been so
mad at a Burger King employee you wanted to pepper
spray them in the face.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
I've been angry before, but not fella assaultangry.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Well meet DD we'll call her. She had her time
in front of a judge for doing just that, pepper
spraying a poor burger king worker we'll call Frank.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Why did he forget the pickles?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Doesn't say, But whatever it was, it definitely didn't justify
leaving Frank saying, quote, it hurt, it burned, it stung.
It was scary at first because I didn't think I
was going to get my eyesight back, and.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Quoteikes, that's not just assaults with a side of fries.
That's a full blown I'm never working drive through again. Trauma.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
So she ends up in the courtroom of our beloved
judge Michael Chickinetti, the Ohio legend who's basically the Shakespeare
of weird sentences. So he looks at Dede and goes,
you understand, this is a criminal offense, an assault. I
could put you in jail for six months. Then he
gives her a choice thirty days in jail or get
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pepper sprayed just like her victim.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I would have just passed out right then.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
At first, DEDI picked jail, but then the judge goes,
you sure think about it? So she pauses, and then
she goes, all right, fine, spray me.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Wow. Bold choice, but also suspiciously uncharacteristic of someone facing
actual pepper spray.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Exactly well, and Frank steps up to spray her plot
twist It wasn't real pepper spray at all. It was water,
just a training canister police used practice.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
What So she gets misted like a house plant pretty much.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
She flinched, acted surprised, and the judge was like, there's
nothing in there, it's water. Her response, it scared me.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
I mean, fair courtroom. Missing isn't a common Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Judge asks her enough to teach you a lesson and
she says, yeah, lesson learned. And honestly she seemed sincere.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
So did she get off the hook.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Well, since she had a clean record and apologized, she
didn't get the thirty days, She just had to do
three days of community service.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
That's it. Honestly, not bad considering she temporarily blinded a guy.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Oh and get this, Frank, the victim, He was totally
in on the fake out, but he wanted the real
pepper spray. He said, I wanted to do an eye
for an eye, that's my thing. But Judge Chickenetti was like, nope,
We're doing this the Chickenetti.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Way, classic Chickenetti justice, but with flair and.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
In true Chickenetti fashion. He even tested the fake spray
on himself twice just to make sure it was safe.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I mean, you can't say the man doesn't commit to
his craft.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Oh I so missed Chickenetti. He unfortunately retired in twenty nineteen.
But as you've heard today, he wasn't the only judge
out there dispensing hilarious yet fitting sentences. And I'm sure
there's so much more we haven't discovered.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Absolutely, I can't wait to find them. This is such
a fun, unique way to dole out justice, especially for
these lighter crimes. In the most and for the most part,
these were pretty light crimes. I can't say I blame
Frank for wanting it to be real pepper spray.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Oh hell, though I would have wanted to spray her
ass too.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
The fact that Chickenetti was like, well, just do water,
because it's the fact of the matter. It's the fact
that she was scared, and he wanted her to feel that.
It's like psychological he felt, you know, yep, Peppers, that's ridiculous.
That's ridiculous. Man. Well that does it for today. I
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don't know what my favorite sentencing is, honestly, like so
many of these were really good. I will say that
the chick who had to stand on the corner with
the sign for driving on the side walk with the
bus probably my one of my favorite ones. And the
guys that had to dress up and down Main Street.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
I think that the guys dressing in drag is probably
mine because of just the added irony to the situation.
They got shit thrown at them too.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I love it, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
I mean Judge Chickenetti was truly a legend. I mean,
in my opinion, I think he probably did prevent some
youngsters from becoming repeat offenders. Shane is a powerful thing, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
And there's really nothing a good life lesson like can't
do for a young person. So to see some pictures
from today's episode, be sure to head over to our
instagram at Weird True Crime, And if you haven't already,
please be sure to leave that review we mentioned earlier.
And before we say goodbye, let's hear that riddle one
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more time. What hired killer never goes to jail. The
answer an exterminator. Let us know if you got it.
Please keep exterminating all things. Thank you so much, especially
in Texas where it is definitely bug season.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Oh my god. I saved a wolf spider from drowning
in Ripley's water bowl the other day.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
You are a better than me. I do save some spiders,
though luckily we don't get them very often.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Wolf spiders and like translate like stuff like that. I'm
going to save jumping spiders. You touch a jumping spider,
I will come for your giblets. Those things are so
freaking cute.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
They are.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
But I mean, of course, if we see anything that's
potentially harmful to either of my girls, nope, they go.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Oh yeah no, And I mean you've had your experiences
with those anyways, so yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw a
video the other day that had a black widow in it,
just like crawling through somebody's warehouse. They're much bigger than
I thought they were because I've never actually seen one
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in person. I was like, that's how big a black
widow is? Holy moley, And I think they released it,
which brave. I don't know if I could have done
that anyway. Way off topic me. It was to say
exterminators are your friend and until next time, stay safe
and make good choices. My
Fire Eyes Media.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's no secret around here that some of our favorite
episodes to bring you all is our dumb Criminals. One
of my favorites is actually one of the more recent stories,
the guy who robbed Subway for cash to buy lunch
at pot Belly. There's just something about the fact that
he robbed them and basically put down their sandwiches at
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the same time that like really gets to me.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, that's a good one. He definitely added insult to
injury with that. But I honestly don't think I'll ever
forget the nail salon one, you know, the one where
the dude walked in did the whole everybody on the
ground give me your money shpiel, and literally not a
single person in that salon paid him the slightest bit
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of attention, and like seeing him slowly, awkwardly walk out
of there was just priceless, Like kiss.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That one was hilarious. Now that I think about it,
I wonder if he had maybe done that before and
they were just like, oh God, it's this guy again.
Just ignore him, He'll go away.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Those women just they were just not faced. They looked
at him like, I don't get time for you.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay, buddy, We've talked about so many of the crimes
that these IQ deprived people have committed. But even though
that's where our story ends, that's not where their story ends.
What happens to some of them after the fact.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
There are some of the ones we've talked about in
the past that I literally do not see how the
cops kept a straight face when it was all going down,
much less the judge that later had to hear the
antics for sentencing exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So today we're going to go over ten unusual sentences
handed down to criminals for the crimes they committed. If
you like what you hear, please consider giving us a
five star rating and review wherever you're listening. It'll help
us continue bringing the weird.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Before we dive in, let's hear our riddle for the day,
what hired killer never goes to jail? Stay tuned to
the end to find out the answer.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Ah, Texas. Everything really is bigger here, even the creativity
of judges when handing out punishments. First, on today's list,
we're talking about a woman will call Mimi, who managed
to seriously tick off a judge by neglecting her horses.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, apparently, Mimi thought taking care of horses meant leaving
them starving in a muddy, trash filled lot behind her trailer.
Sounds lovely, right.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So dreamy. In fact, that one of the horses developed
absesses on his hooves and was swaying in pain because
he couldn't even stand properly.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Uh no, not okay. Prosecutors even described these poor animals
as emaciated, infected, and suffering from something called rain rot. Yeah,
sounds just as pleasant as it is.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, Judge Mike saw this and said, not on my watch.
Mimi was convicted of two counts of animal cruelty and
he sentenced her to thirty days in jail.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
But that's not all. For the first three days she
was only allowed bread and water.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
To eat medieval vibes amber.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Totally, and when asked about this interesting dietary plan, Judge
Mike reportedly said she's going to get more than her
horses got.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Ouch ough, ouch, but fair. And as if that wasn't enough,
the judge made Mimi put blown up photos of the
horses in her jail cell, telling Ruters quote, I want
her to be forever reminded of what her conduct did
to those horses. End quote.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That's the judicial equivalent of a parent saying, think about
what you've done exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Judge Mike also reminisced about the good old days, saying, quote,
I used to think back to the time when jail
was jail and punishment was punishment, and how they were
put in solitary confinement with only bread and water to eat.
That was in the back of my mind.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And yet, despite channeling his inner medieval dungeon master, Judge
Mike did show a little mercy by allowing Mimi to
serve her thirty day sentence on weekends so she could
still care for her three kids.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, hopefully better care than the horses received.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Mimi, by the way, claimed in court she fed those
horses about twenty eight pounds of food daily, blaming their
condition on their advanced.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Age, right, because we all know healthy horses, especially older ones,
naturally thrive on neglect and trash heaps.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Makes total sense, totally logical. Yeah, while prosecutors weren't buying
it either. Those horses were in their mid twenties and
could have lived comfortably into their early thirties with proper care.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well, well, here's hoping Mimi learns something from her bread
and water diet weekend get away.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And maybe invest in a pet rock next time.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, safer bet for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You know, the whole bread and water thing, Like I've
I fast a lot, just you know, so I could
totally live on bread and water for three days. It's
the putting up the pictures of the horses that got me.
It's like, it really is just that you look and
see and think about what you've done. And I don't know, sometimes,
like we've seen jail doesn't really do a whole lot
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to other people, and there's repeat offenders all the time.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Maybe she'll think.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Twice, maybe, but I also think she probably shouldn't be
allowed to own animals like that.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I'm thinking, I'm thinking that's probably the safer Yeah, just
no more, no more creatures for care for her. Now.
That is one of the saddest ones on our List today.
They are going to get more lighthearted for sure, well
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after this one. Anyway, This next judge, you'll be hearing
about him a few times in this episode. He was
well known for his less than typical sentences. Meet Judge
Michael Chicanetti from Ohio.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Our next defender on Our List Shelley got the pleasure
of meeting with Judge Chickenetti after she decided it was
a brilliant idea to abandon thirty five kittens in two parks. Yeah,
thirty five. Many were sick with respiratory infections and sadly
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nine didn't survive. Ironically enough, the kittens were traced back
to Shelley because they had identification callers.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Judge Chickenetti I think he was affectionately referred to is
Judge chick clearly upset, had an interesting question for Shelley.
How would you like to be dumped off at a
metro park late at night? Spend the night listening to
coyotes and raccoons, sitting out there cold, not knowing where
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your next meal is or when you'd be rescued, and
I mean fair.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, Shelley tried the classic a stranger dumped them on
my doorstop excuse, claiming the Humane Society refused.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
To help, to which the Humane Society said, no, that
never happened.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Judge Chickinetti, unmoved by her sob story, gave Shelley a
fascinating gave Shelley a fascinating choice. Ninety days in jail
or a cocktail punishment involving fourteen days jail time, fifteen
days house arrest, a thirty two hundred donation to the
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Humane Society, five hundred dollars to the park rangers who
found the kittens, and drum Roll, please one night alone
in the woods?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yes, which one Shelley picked now? Originally, Judge Chickanetti said
Shelley couldn't have food, books, or even entertainment devices, just
the clothes she wore, but due to the cold, he
did hint she might get permission to start a fire.
The park rangers took her to the forest at dusk
and picked her up the following dawn on Thanksgiving Day.
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Rangers were also there to monitor her to make sure
she was safe and didn't freeze. Because I want to say,
the temperatures got down to like thirty two that night
or something.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Oh wow, yeah, I mean she deserves it.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
It's thirty five kittens. I mean, handling one kitten is
hard enough. But if you tried one, Humane Society and they,
quote quote said they couldn't help, why aren't you calling
fifteen million other ones and reaching out to friends and
family members for help. They're living creatures.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's what I was gonna say. There's no excuse for
just dumping them like that, and the human anxiety is like, uh,
that never happened, because if she had called them, I
can tell you from experience, they would have done everything
in their power to find a safe place for those cats.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
If they couldn't take the men, if they were overpopulated,
they would have given her referrals. Try these people, Try
these fosters, try this, try this.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So yeah, no, no, she just didn't want to deal
with it. No, Oh, what would you pick? Would you
pick ninety days or would you pick the well, the
other one.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm honestly broke. Well, no going to jail. You're still
going to be paying a ton of fines anyway. So yeah, no,
I'd probably do the one night alone in the woods.
I'd get a break for my children.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Is that so sad that you would rather take just
a night in the woods with nothing but the clothes
on your back and maybe a fire and freezing weather
just to get a break from your kids.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Listen, after being sick this past week and the shit
that I went through a like forty eight hour hold in,
you know a special padded wall place doesn't sounding too
bad either.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I get it. I get it. My kids were also
home that sick this week and I had we had
similar things. I don't know if we got each other
sick from actually hanging out on your birthday or what,
or like my kids gave me germs that I gave.
I don't know what happened. It was a week. Let
me tell you, listeners, it's really you're lucky that we're here.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It is also Texas and allergies kind of come all
roided up and ready to like put the smack down
on you.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So this time of year, yeah, it could be. It
could be a plethora of different things.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I know, like seeing you for my birthday was fantastic.
It was a great I'm in my final year of
my thirties, enjoy it. But getting sick was just the
proof that, like, I really don't ever need to leave
my house again.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, this is what I get for having a good time.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
This is why I can't have nice things.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
No, but she did not deserve nice things for I can't.
I can't handle rehoming one old dog, yep, but she
can dump thirty five cats into the wilderness.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Kittens, tiny innocent little creatures that haven't even lived long
enough to thin for themselves.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, well, we're heading back to our home state of
Texas for this one. Get ready for crime punishment and
a whole lot of public shaming. This next story comes
straight out of Houston, where a couple got sentenced to
fourth theft and the judge got real creative with the consequences.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Meet Ellie and Dalton, who were both apparently very into
the idea of if you can't earn it, steal it.
These two managed to swipe more than two hundred and
sixty five thousand dollars over a seven year period. That's
not an oopsie. I had a moment of weakness. That's
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a part time job.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah. Ellie was working as an administrative assistant at the
Harris County District Attorney's office, so you know the place
where they prosecute crime. And she decided, hey, do you
know what would spice things up? Embezzling from crime victims. Yeah, victims.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
She pled guilty and faced up to life in prison,
but instead of life, both Ellie and Dalton got ten
years probation, one hundred and eighty days in prison. And ho,
you're going to this public signage that's right.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Judge Kevin ordered the couple to put up signs outside
their house that say, and I quote, convicted thieves live here,
like a yard sign version of the scarlet letter. But
it gets better.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
After they served their one hundred and eighty days in prison,
Dalton had to spend every Saturday for six years, yes six,
standing at a high traffic intersection near the galleria wearing
a sign that says he's a thief. Ellie got Sundays
because what's a relationship without shared shame and equal weekend humiliation.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
The Harris County DA that took office in two thousand
and nine decided to run an audit on the Victim
Witness Division and uncovered some serious issues in the way
restitution money was being recorded. The funds weren't missing, however,
and we're traced back to Ellie. She didn't mince words either.
She said, quote Ellie betrayed victims, betrayed public trust, and
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betrayed our office end quote, adding that Harris County will
not tolerate that type of behavior.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I mean, it's just every step of that just gets worse.
Like two hundred and sixty five thousand dollars is a
lot of money, but she also worked for the DA,
and she took it from money victims that was supposed
to be allotted for crime victims, victims of crime, the
people that Yeah, it's just insane, like it's she's honestly,
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honestly super lucky. She did not get life in prison
like she got it easy. Yes, shame and humiliation is.
It's a good motivator, oh for sure. But like yeah, man, also,
was six years enough for her for them to have
to stand out there and do.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That, I don't think so, considering they could have gotten
she could have gotten life in prison and instead she
just sat on a corner for six years. Holy well.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I mean they did do one hundred and eighty days.
They did serve some prison time, so they did get
to see what they get to be grateful that they
didn't have to experience a lifetime of that. Just a
little snippet, but not to mention.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I mean, their records are shot. There to hold a
decent job or have any sort of normal life in
that town is gone.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yep. I wonder if they ever moved yeah, or if
they could yeah, well, I mean probably not until their
whole terms of their sentence were completed. But yeah, I
wonder if they were able to do that afterwards, or
if they had to take the signage with them.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
She got off real lucky.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Oh yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
All right. Picture this. You're a teenager, you're broke, you're bold,
and you decide the best move is to hop in
a cab for a thirty mile ride, knowing full well
you're not going to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh no, what is this Grand theft uber Ohio edition.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Basically, enter nineteen year old Veronica, we'll call her, who
thought it was totally fine to hitch a thirty mile
ride from Cleveland to Painesville and then just exit stage
left without paying the one hundred dollars fare.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I'm guessing the cab driver wasn't just like, oh it's cool,
ride'es on me today.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah no. So she gets hauled into court and her
judge was none other than Judge Michael Chickenetti. Yeah, he
tells Veronica, you've got two options, sweetheart. You can either
spend sixty days in jail or walk the full thirty
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miles you stiffed that cabby for and you've got forty
eight hours to get it done.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I would have just started walking right, been in there, like,
put me on a treadmill, judge, I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Veronica wasn't quite as eager, She told local news quote,
I've never been to jail, and I don't want to
go to jail. I'm kind of upset about this sentence,
you know, because I'm thinking I was going to go
in and just have to pay a fine. I guess
only one hundred dollars or whatever end quote or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Ma'am, you got a whole uber XL ride and dip.
You're lucky you didn't get an orange jumpsuit with it.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
For real. So she started the walk at the Lake
County Fairgrounds, but she chose to walk through the grass
and mud instead of the paved track, so she wasn't
making great time.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Okay, So poor decisions seemed to be her brand exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So the judge, being merciful and probably just tired of
watching someone trudge through muck like it was a live
action Oregon Trail, reduced the sentence from thirty miles to twenty.
On top of the walk, she was ordered probation for
four months and to pay the one hundred dollars back
to the Cabby.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
She ghosted, that's fair. I mean you mess with the meter,
you pay with your sneakers.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Judge Chikinetti said he gives these type of punishments mostly
to younger folks, first time offenders, who are at least
somewhat remorseful.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
That's generous. I mean somewhat remorseful is like the legal
equivalent of I kind of feel bad, but mostly just
don't want to go to jail pretty much.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, he said his goal is to make sure they
don't come back to court, and honestly, making someone walk
twenty miles in public while everyone knows why that'll do it,
and a walk of shame hits different when it's court ordered.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Absolutely, I was thinking the same thing, like, that's a
very clever punishment for somebody that young who's never really
been in trouble before and doesn't understand the repercussions for
doing something like that.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's basically mean, he's still treating them kind of like
a child because they're behaving like a child, and like,
how do you discipline your nine year old? You're not
gonna be like, Okay, you're going to jail, Like put
on the jumpsuit, buddy piece. You know you're you're gonna
make something that It's like with kids, you never want
to really hurting their feelings makes a bigger impact than
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spanking them or anything like that. So giving something that
a younger person like that is going to understand more,
Like you know, they're like, oh, I could go sit
in jail for a few nights, whatever, no big deal.
Oh no, you're going to walk twenty miles while everyone
laughs at you and knows exactly why you're walking. Like
that's going to have like that's her. That's the equivalent
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of hurting their feelings.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's going to make a s impaint and it gives
her plenty of time to think about what she did
and why it's not cool, which is the same thing
with kids. You can't just punish them without giving them
an explanation for why they're being punished. Yep, you know.
So I hope she learned her lesson and doesn't stiff
another driver because also it's not like those uber drivers
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are making a ton of money. It's not like he
even got that full hundred dollars, you know. So that's
devastating for somebody like that who's just saying to make
ends meet.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, that's their livelihood.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I hope she's in a better place now. Okay, okay, Amber,
were you ever so mad at your high school that
you just wanted to vandalize something?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I'm I'm sure that sentiment popped up once or twice,
but like I never actually did anything, because you know,
jail's vibe, I try to avoid.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That's smart. Well, nineteen year old Carson will call him,
didn't get that memo. Our boy decided to express his
feelings in the most Ohio way possible by mowing f
you into the football field at his high school with.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
A lawn mower. That's oddly polite vandalism. Like, I'm mad,
but I'm still going to stay within landscaping boundaries.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And it will also not be permanent and grow back
evctually anyway. So naturally, this case lands in front of
our favorite creative sentencing king, Judge Michael Chicanetti. So for Carson,
he was like, all right, buddy, you've got two options.
Ten days in jail, or you're gonna mow that field
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again properly this time.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And I mean that seems fair, but there's going to
be a catch for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, Carson didn't just get to hop on a riding
mower like some suburban dad on a Saturday morning. Oh no,
the judge made him use one of those old school
manual push mowers.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh that's not mowing the lawn. That's doing cardio in
public while slowly turning green from the grass.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Exactly. It took him nearly three hours to finish the
job in the sun, sweating through what I'm guessing was
a solid mix of regret and and grasp the things.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So did he learn anything?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Apparently yes, Carson told reporters, quote, I just want to
thank him for not sending me to jail. This was
a lot better, a lot easier than going to jail.
End quote. That's right, Carson. Next time, just yell into
a pillow like the rest of us. Did no need
to personalize a football field with profanity.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
See another case of you know, a younger person getting.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Also, what was he so mad about? What happened? Did
the the coach kick him off the team? Did?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Like Bayla test that they take his favorite burger out
of the cafeteria lunch menu like high school's rough man.
I'm so glad I don't have to go through that again.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, and we were at high school together. I don't no, no,
thank you, don't miss those days wanted to cuss out
somebody or punch something every day.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So you know, it's funny. I haven't seen one of
those manual push mowers in a minute. God, can you
imagine if like he made him use like a Oh no,
I guess a weed whacker would have been a little
faster probably.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Maybe, but it wouldn't have been as like accurate. Yeah
you know, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So he was thinking, he was planning ahead, trying to
keep the aesthetics while still giving him a little bit
of a punishment.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I love it. I love I do too.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
All right, gee, I hope you're ready for a story
that proves two things. One beer and bad decisions go
hand in hand, and two, Judge David h does not
play around when it comes to creative justice, kind of
like our buddy Chickenetti.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh okay, now this sounds promising. Tell me more.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
So.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Let's talk about J one and J two. We'll call
them two dudes who apparently thought it would be fun
to throw beer bottles and dent someone's car.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Ah. Yes, the ancient art of bro rage very refined
exactly well.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Judge David wasn't having it. You know, he could have
just tossed them in jail for sixty days, but where's
the flare in that? Instead he gave them a choice,
do the time or strut their stuff down Main Street
for an hour wearing dresses, full makeup and wigs.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
That's the kind of sentencing. I'm here for serf justice
and serve looks right.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Okay, So they took the dress up option. Otherwise we
wouldn't be here because, in their words, or at least
their logic, drag is still better than orange jumpsuits.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I mean, jail doesn't even let you accessorize, so fair. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So Jay one went with a chic all black number skirt,
coat and a black wig, very funeral meats fashion week. Meanwhile,
j two went bold a red dress, red wig, and
a fur coat.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Okay, but where's the reality show about this? I would
being a fell in fashion runway all day.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
They even drew a crowd. Ronda Wright, the deputy court clerk, said,
quote it was pretty good. You couldn't get up and
down Main Street because of the crowd watching them.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
End quote. Main Street turned into a catwalk and the
town turned out. We love public accountability. With a touch
of drama.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Unfortunately, it didn't stay fabulous for long. Someone in the
crowd decided to chuck a soda bottle at them, actually
hit one of the guys, and they got arrested.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh there's so much irony, uh huh, because nothing says
I disapprove like committing your own crime during a court
mandated fashion show.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
But thankfully, after that little disruption, the judge let the
boys in their walk. Early probably figured they'd done their
time in heals and humiliation.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
And this wasn't even Judge David's first rodeo. When it
came to creative sentencing, Ronda mentioned another time when vandals
who threw eggs were ordered to write I will not
throw eggs one thousand times and donate eggs to charity.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He also made car vandals auction off their own stuff
to pay for damages, like a court ordered garage sale
of shame.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Look, I respect the man's commitment to justice and poetic irony.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Judge David himself said jail over crowding inspired him to
get a lit unconventional and when it came to J
one and J two, he said, quote throwing the beer
bottles put them across the line and into my clutches
end quote.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
You know what, it's so true. It is such a
bro thing to do, just like throwing beer bottles at something.
So making them dress up like women is very fitting
if you think about it. But at the same time,
do you think they were embarrassed or do you think
that they like enjoyed the fame a little bit?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
They probably had, you know, they probably had a good
time with it. I mean, I don't know. You know,
it's fifty to fifty. They could have been pissed off
and humiliated the entire time, which would have really served
the sentences, the sentencing's purpose. I have a feeling though,
if the judge had seen them, like really enjoying themselves,
he would have been like, Okay, this isn't a punishment. Yeah,
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let's let's switch it up.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But true, he.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Had the irony and getting a bottle thrown. At least
it wasn't a beer bottle, yeah bottle.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh man, that's pretty funny. But I mean it's true.
It's like it's really worth putting somebody in jail over that,
where there's already so much overcrowding, Like, no, let's punish
them in a different way.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yep, Exa.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Hopefully they learned their lesson. That's funny. Picture this. You're
sitting in juvenile court watching your thirteen year old daughter
face assault charges, and the judge says he'll slash her
sentence if you give her a haircut right there in
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the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well that's a new one.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yep, Veronica will call her. The thirteen year old mom
filed a formal complaint after seventh District Juvenile Judge Scott
Johansson told her he'd cut her daughter's sentence if she
chopped off her daughter's ponytail. Veronica told the Desert News quote,
she definitely needed to be punished for what had happened,
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but I never dreamt it would be that much of
a punishment.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
And what was what was that much? Why was Kayla?
We'll call her in trouble.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
So Back in March of twenty twelve, Kayla and an
eleven year old friend befriended a three year old at
McDonald's in Price, Utah, and then, according to officer Rob
Radley's report, quote, after acquiring the scissors, they returned to
McDonald's where they both took a turn cutting some of
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the little girl's hair off the back of her head.
End quote. The victim's mom, Mandy, gestured to her jawline
and said, it was beautiful. It was long, it had
natural curl, and now it's cut up to here.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
That is brutal. I have a daughter the same age,
with the same hair. I would have been so.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Sad, absolutely not to mention the unnecessary cruelty, like there's
no reason why a preteen needs to go cut a
toddler's hair off like that just for their own entertainment.
At hearing two months later, Kayla entered admissions not only
to that assault, but to another case, eight months of
phone calls to a Colorado teen threatening rape and mutilation.
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According to court audio, Judge Johansson called her behavior egregious.
He ordered thirty days in detention, money in restitution, and
two hundred and seventy six hours of community service.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
But then he sprung the haircut deal exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
He told Veronica, quote, if she was my daughter, I
wouldn't want her with the youth work crew end quote,
to which Veronica agreed. And then he said, quote, I'm
going to give you this option. I will cut that
by one hundred and fifty hours if you want to
cut her hair right now? End quote.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And Veronica was like.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Well, she questioned if he truly meant for her to
cut her daughter's hair right then and there. Judge confirmed,
and he said he'll go get a pair of scissors
and she can whack the ponytail off. Mandy, the victim's mom,
was there cheering it on understandably when the judge asked
her if she was satisfied if it was short enough,
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Mandy said no, So the judge instructed Veronica to cut
it off clear up to the rubber band, saying, take
a little bit at a time.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Seriously, it feels like a live action judge Judy gone.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Wild, yeah, and get this. After the haircut. The teen's
eleven year old friend also had to get her hair
trimmed to match the judges in a salon, though, then
report back so the judge could approve the cut. Johanson observed,
quote it was not really unattractive. They tried to make
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it decent, but there was really nothing left end Quoteikes.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
How did the court respond to Veronica's complaint?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, officially, the Utah States Courts spokesperson said the state
law bars discussing miners' cases. They pointed to statutes saying
juvenile sanctions must quote promote guidance and control, prevent future
unlawful conduct, and develop responsible citizenship end quote, leaving judges
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wide discretion. Colin Winchester, head of the Utah Judicial Conduct Commission,
noted complaints state confidential unless disciplinary actions follows, and that
can take months, even up to six or more. Veronica
told The Desert News she regrets taking Johansson's offer. Nope,
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I'm sorry if that was my kid and cut her
hair off myself. Oh, I would have done that before
the court hearing like you're going you like, it's just
it's they knew what they were doing. They befriended this
three this toddler, this three year old little girl, and.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I left out. They asked McDonald's employees for scissors, but
the McDonalds wouldn't give them any, So they left McDonald's,
went across the street to a dollar store, got scissors,
came back to McDonald's, and then cut the little girl's
hair off for what reason, to be assholes, Like that's
the only Like I just I don't get it if
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like my oldest had done that to you know, I've
got roughly the same age. I have a three year
old and an almost thirteen year old. If my thirteen
year old would have cut off a three year old's
hair like that, oh dear, oh, her head would have
been shaved. H Like, you just you don't do that.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Well, not to mention that she had been threatening somebody
else with phone calls for months and the mom's mad
that the judge made her cut her hair, I think
you need to fix your priorities.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
You better be thankful she's really not rotting in a
juvenile detention center for a hell of a lot longer
than what she got.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
She should be like, how what is her lesson for
for threatening that other person?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, for sure, I think I think it may have
gone in conjunction, but like you know, also there could
be other people that would side with the mom because,
like you know, but for me, like I mean, it
is it's just it's just hair.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
It's kind of I mean, in this circumstance, an eye
for an eye, Right, you chopped off this other little
girl's hair for no reason, so you lose your hair.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Ye see? And I know that, Like, well, now now
that girl's going to get made fun of because her
hair's chopped off, and okay, well you know what, so
what sorry? I mean here I am sitting with you know,
half of my hair anyway, and I'm just like, I
don't care, it's just hair. But I'm going to be
pissed if someone touches my kid's hair.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh of course, of course. I mean I have boys,
and I would be pissed if somebody touched their hair
because it's there. It's also their body, you know, Like I.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Think that's that's what it really boils down to. It's
not your body, it's somebody else's. Don't touch.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, and this mom needs to get her priority straight
if that's what she's upset about.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Okay, So get this. There's this woman in Cleveland who
decided that traffic laws were more of a suggestion than
a rule.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Oh boy, what did she do? Speeding, rolling through stop.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Signs, worse, way worse, Sharon will call her thought it
was totally fine to drive on these side I'd walk
to get around a school bus that was unloading kids.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Oh nope, nope. Just when you think you've.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Heard it all right, And it wasn't a one time
thing either. According to one mom, Lisa, Sharon did this
almost every day one year, so finally someone caught it
on camera. Bam, citation and the judge he got creative.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Too, Please tell me he made her ride a tricycle
through rush hour or something close.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
He sentenced her to stand on a street corner for
an hour two days in a row, holding a giant
sign that read only an idiot would drive on the
sidewalk to avoid a school bus.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Iconic. I hope it was in Comic Sands.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Hot take. I love Comic Sands. I'm a Neil showing yes,
damn MySpace an he went, oh God. She showed up,
bundled up in thirty four degree weather, rocking headphones, sunglasses,
and puffing on a cigarette, fully committed to ignoring everyone.
Reporters were everywhere, people were honking. One guy even yelled,
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why do you hate kids?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Kay? But seriously, why why?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
No one knows? She didn't talk to the press. Her
mom just sat silently in the car nearby, probably regretting
every life decision that led to that moment, and her
lawyer crickets.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
So did anything else happen to her? Yeap.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
She also had a thirty day license suspension and had
to pay two hundred and fifty dollars in court costs.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Honestly, that's the bargain bin version of a punishment. I'd
have made her direct traffic into two two.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Lisa, whose nine year old daughter was getting off that bus,
said the sign was perfect. Her exact words were, quote,
she's an idiot, just like her sign says end quote.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, brutal, savage mom energy, I'm here for it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Lisa also said Sharon laughed at every court appearance and
showed zero remorse, which is probably why the judge went
for the public shaming route. And listen, if your life
choices land you standing on a quarter while satellite trucks
live stream your humiliation, maybe it's time to rethink your commute. Seriously,
(40:38):
I'm just happy in this instance, like it wasn't a
get this or this, It was you get this and
this because this one, yeah, you kind of kind of
kind of deserved it.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Only two days. I think she should have gotten longer
because it didn't really sound like it made She was
just like fuck it, whatever, you know. I wonder how
old she was because I have a feeling if her
she it sounds like she was probably pretty young.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I mean, she was old enough to be driving.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
So yeah. Also as someone who picks up my kid
from his bus drop off basically every day, and I'm
in a neighborhood and the cars that will come and
just like keep creeping up. I swear there have been
times where I've rolled my window down and like, if
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you keep moving, I have no problem jumping out of
my car and doing something to you because my kid
has to cross the street. So don't even think about it.
That is not something you mess around with.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
No, Like you don't have to have kids to respect. No,
the life and safety of other people's children.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, is it annoying getting stuck behind a bus that
stops for Absolutely? Does that make it okay get up
onto the sidewalk to pass? Absolutely not No, especially when
there are kids that could be trying to get to
that sidewalk. It's not like you're avoiding the situation.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Apparently.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
I have lots of strong feelings about Okay, Well, all right, Amber.
You know that sinking feeling when you walk out to
your car and see your tires flatter than your morning coffee.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Oh my god, yes, instantly makes you question all your
life choices, your enemy's list, and why you bothered leaving
your house to begin.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
With, Well, imagine that times fifty, because in one sleepy
German town, about fifty car owners woke up to find
their tires had been savagely slashed. And no, it wasn't
a scorned lover or a neighborhood teen with too much
red bull.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh no, it was an eighty nine year old grandma
who will call Mama, who was just plane fed up
with people parking in front of her house.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Mama didn't file a complaint, she didn't call the city. Nope,
she went straight up vigilante, tire after tire. She was
like the Batman of cul de Sac parking enforcement. If
Batman wore orthopedic shoes and carried a kitchen knife.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Fifty tires y'all five zero. She didn't even try to
hide it, Just out there granny, slash and stab, restoring
peace and quiet to her street, one side wall at
a time.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Her reign of tire terror finally came to an end
when a neighbor caught her in the act and called
the cops. And when questioned, she fully confessed, just shrugged
and said she was.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Fed up mood.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Now you think they'd toss her in jail or find
her big time, right.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Oh but no, Germany decided to go full quirky justice
on this one. Since she couldn't afford the fine, the
authorities got creative. They sentenced her to knit sweaters for
all the car owners whose tires she slashed.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Let me repeat that she stabbed your car tire, You
get a sweater.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I hope she embroidered little tires on the sleeves, like, sorry,
I stabbed your ride. Stay warm to be fair.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Germans do take their cars very seriously, so the sweater
sentence weird, yes, but enforced almost definitely.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
As for Mama, prosecutor said she was moved and living
peacefully in a retirement home, far from any parked cars.
Something tells me she.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Kept the knife right somewhere in that night stand is
the blade that brought an entire neighborhood to its knees.
These days, she's probably just threatening wheelchair tires and making
passive aggressive duilies. Moral of the story, never underestimate a
grandma with a grudge and a sharp object.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I just I love everything. I mean, I hate for
the people that have to pay to like fix their
tires and whatnot. You know that that does suck, and
tires are expensive, but like, I just love everything about this.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
How many of these cars were actually affecting her ability
to like get out of her driveway or were in
front of her house.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
It wasn't just her, it was her friends and family.
They never had a place to park, They never had
a place, you know, to easily get in and out,
and so there's just people everywhere. And Mama just said,
all right, fuck this shit, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I I get it, Like I understand the frustration, especially
living in neighborhoods where people park on the street all
the time and it's like a pain in the ass
to get in and out or around or whatever, Like
a through street shouldn't, you know, be that big of
a pain and you should be able to park in
front of your own house. But oh yeah, I you know,
(46:21):
if nobody listens, you just you take care of it yourself.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
This last story could have been featured on our last
What the Fuck episode where we shared some crazy fast
food restaurant shenanigans, but it's here because our favorite judge
is back one last time. Anyway, Gee, ever been so
mad at a Burger King employee you wanted to pepper
spray them in the face.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
I've been angry before, but not fella assaultangry.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Well meet DD we'll call her. She had her time
in front of a judge for doing just that, pepper
spraying a poor burger king worker we'll call Frank.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Why did he forget the pickles?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Doesn't say, But whatever it was, it definitely didn't justify
leaving Frank saying, quote, it hurt, it burned, it stung.
It was scary at first because I didn't think I
was going to get my eyesight back, and.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Quoteikes, that's not just assaults with a side of fries.
That's a full blown I'm never working drive through again. Trauma.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
So she ends up in the courtroom of our beloved
judge Michael Chickinetti, the Ohio legend who's basically the Shakespeare
of weird sentences. So he looks at Dede and goes,
you understand, this is a criminal offense, an assault. I
could put you in jail for six months. Then he
gives her a choice thirty days in jail or get
(48:07):
pepper sprayed just like her victim.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I would have just passed out right then.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
At first, DEDI picked jail, but then the judge goes,
you sure think about it? So she pauses, and then
she goes, all right, fine, spray me.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Wow. Bold choice, but also suspiciously uncharacteristic of someone facing
actual pepper spray.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Exactly well, and Frank steps up to spray her plot
twist It wasn't real pepper spray at all. It was water,
just a training canister police used practice.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
What So she gets misted like a house plant pretty much.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
She flinched, acted surprised, and the judge was like, there's
nothing in there, it's water. Her response, it scared me.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
I mean, fair courtroom. Missing isn't a common Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Judge asks her enough to teach you a lesson and
she says, yeah, lesson learned. And honestly she seemed sincere.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
So did she get off the hook.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Well, since she had a clean record and apologized, she
didn't get the thirty days, She just had to do
three days of community service.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
That's it. Honestly, not bad considering she temporarily blinded a guy.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Oh and get this, Frank, the victim, He was totally
in on the fake out, but he wanted the real
pepper spray. He said, I wanted to do an eye
for an eye, that's my thing. But Judge Chickenetti was like, nope,
We're doing this the Chickenetti.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Way, classic Chickenetti justice, but with flair and.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
In true Chickenetti fashion. He even tested the fake spray
on himself twice just to make sure it was safe.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I mean, you can't say the man doesn't commit to
his craft.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Oh I so missed Chickenetti. He unfortunately retired in twenty nineteen.
But as you've heard today, he wasn't the only judge
out there dispensing hilarious yet fitting sentences. And I'm sure
there's so much more we haven't discovered.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Absolutely, I can't wait to find them. This is such
a fun, unique way to dole out justice, especially for
these lighter crimes. In the most and for the most part,
these were pretty light crimes. I can't say I blame
Frank for wanting it to be real pepper spray.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Oh hell, though I would have wanted to spray her
ass too.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
The fact that Chickenetti was like, well, just do water,
because it's the fact of the matter. It's the fact
that she was scared, and he wanted her to feel that.
It's like psychological he felt, you know, yep, Peppers, that's ridiculous.
That's ridiculous. Man. Well that does it for today. I
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don't know what my favorite sentencing is, honestly, like so
many of these were really good. I will say that
the chick who had to stand on the corner with
the sign for driving on the side walk with the
bus probably my one of my favorite ones. And the
guys that had to dress up and down Main Street.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
I think that the guys dressing in drag is probably
mine because of just the added irony to the situation.
They got shit thrown at them too.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I love it, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
I mean Judge Chickenetti was truly a legend. I mean,
in my opinion, I think he probably did prevent some
youngsters from becoming repeat offenders. Shane is a powerful thing, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
And there's really nothing a good life lesson like can't
do for a young person. So to see some pictures
from today's episode, be sure to head over to our
instagram at Weird True Crime, And if you haven't already,
please be sure to leave that review we mentioned earlier.
And before we say goodbye, let's hear that riddle one
(52:25):
more time. What hired killer never goes to jail. The
answer an exterminator. Let us know if you got it.
Please keep exterminating all things. Thank you so much, especially
in Texas where it is definitely bug season.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Oh my god. I saved a wolf spider from drowning
in Ripley's water bowl the other day.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
You are a better than me. I do save some spiders,
though luckily we don't get them very often.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Wolf spiders and like translate like stuff like that. I'm
going to save jumping spiders. You touch a jumping spider,
I will come for your giblets. Those things are so
freaking cute.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
They are.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
But I mean, of course, if we see anything that's
potentially harmful to either of my girls, nope, they go.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Oh yeah no, And I mean you've had your experiences
with those anyways, so yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw a
video the other day that had a black widow in it,
just like crawling through somebody's warehouse. They're much bigger than
I thought they were because I've never actually seen one
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in person. I was like, that's how big a black
widow is? Holy moley, And I think they released it,
which brave. I don't know if I could have done
that anyway. Way off topic me. It was to say
exterminators are your friend and until next time, stay safe
and make good choices. My
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