The Murder of Cassie Jo | From The Vault

We're throwing it back to the very first episode we ever recorded together — and it's a case that still gives us chills. Sixteen-year-old Cassie Jo Stoddart was house-sitting for her aunt and uncle when what should’ve been a quiet night turned into an unthinkable nightmare. In this episode, we cover how two of Cassie’s classmates carried out a cold, premeditated murder — all while documenting their plan on video. It’s a case that’s not only heartbreaking, but also incredibly disturbing in how calculated it was. If you’ve never heard this one, buckle up. And if you have, it’s worth a revisit — this case sticks with you.   📢 Follow & Subscribe: Subscribe on Patreon: www.patreon.com/weirdtruecrime Website: www.weirdtruecrime.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/weirdtruecrime TikTok: www.tiktok.com/weirdtruecrime YouTube: www.youtube.com/@weirdtruecrime Email: [e-mail] Edited by - [e-mail]

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Fire Eyes Media. It's hard to believe that we've had
our creepy little corner of chaos happening going almost three
years now. I remember when Gina first told me that
she had started Weird True Crime, and I was floored.
She already had a few episodes out and I binged
them and gushed and said how awesome it was, and

(00:24):
that I always wanted to start my own.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah. Fast forward to less than like two weeks later,
and I thought, hmm, maybe Amber is just what I
needed to complete the show, and I was right now.
I couldn't imagine doing it without her. The show has
grown leaps and bounds since she first joined, and we
have so much more to do and share with all

(00:48):
of you.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
We thought it would be a fun little throwback to
revisit the very first episode I joined Gina for the
murder of Cassie Joe Stoddard. Cassie was a sixteen year
old girl living her best life and had it tragically
cut short by two boys she welcomed into the home
she was staying at, Ta pet sit back in September

(01:11):
of two thousand and six.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
The two boys have appealed their convictions a few times,
but the convictions have been upheld and as of now
they will serve life sentences without the possibility of parole.
And if you're done listening to the episode, it would
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(01:38):
make good choices.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Hey, y'all, welcome back to Weird Truth Crime. I'm Gina,
and it's a big day to day. We've got a
big case and we've got big news. So you know,
true crime is always better with friends, and all the
podcasts I listen to usually have two people, and here
I am so low and that's really not very fun.

(02:25):
So I figured why not bring a really long time
friend of mine along for the ride. So please, I
hope everyone is giving a warm virtual welcome to my
really good friend Amber right now. Hi. Hi, So Amber
and I little backstory. We met in middle school choir
when Amber was in sixth grade and I was in

(02:46):
seventh grade, and we are now way too close to
forty then, I would like to admit, don't say that
I know if that gives you any idea of how
long we've known each other, but.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I'm still the awkward, saying weirdo that you know and love.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, and this is going to be amazing because she
is awkward and weird and much darker and more sarcastic
than I am, so.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Fluent in sarcasm.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, so it's going to be It's going to be
fun seeing another side on this here podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I do like to play Devil's advocate a lot as well.
Even if you and I have the same opinion or
view on something, I like to look at it from
the other side as well. So I do tend to
piss people off with that, Sorry, Mom, but it's just
what I do.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
But I think it's also good. And I have heard
from people who have listened to the podcast so far
and I'll give my opinion on something, and they really
wish that they could give theirs right back to me,
but they can't because they're listening and you know, to
a recording. So it'll be really nice to have somebody
live in person who can, you know, choose something back at.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Me a little bit of a different perspective.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Exactly occasionally, probably a lot, And that's the way I
like it. So I'm really excited to get into this
and I just want to go ahead and spew out
like the socialism where you can find us before we
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true Crime. We're also on Twitter now at Weird true Crime,

(04:17):
and you can also find us online at weird truecrime
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at Weird true crimeat gmail dot com. And I think

(04:40):
that's everything for that, So without further ado, we're going
to get into this really massed up case. You may
or may not know about it. It's been around for
quite some time now, and a lot of different podcasts
and shows have covered this at this point and it
is solved. But Amber had mentioned kind of before while

(05:02):
we were writing this it is still ongoing because the
suspects that were convicted in this case are still fighting
their sentences that they very much deserve. But you can
feel free to tell us if you think they deserve it,
or if they deserve any sort of respite after you
hear what they did. Cassie Joe Starter was a normal

(05:23):
sixteen year old high school junior at Pocatella High School
in two thousand and six. She was born on December
twenty first, nineteen eighty nine, in Pocatello, Idaho. She was
raised in the midsize town of around fifty five thousand
people with her sister Christie, who was six years older
than her, and her brother Andrew, who was only about

(05:43):
eighteen months younger than her, so they were really really
close in age. And there's not a lot of background
about like her family or home life, other than it
does seem like she did live with her grandparents for
the most part, and their names were Paul Cisnaro Senior
and Josephina Cisneros, and so it seems like she lived
with them for an extended amount of time during her

(06:05):
childhood with her siblings and her mother, Anna's daughter was
in the picture, but I don't really know how frequently
she was living with her. And there was no mention
of Cassie's biological father really anywhere in any of the records,
so it seems like he probably wasn't around at all.
Cassie's little brother Andrew. He described her as headstrong and

(06:27):
as his role model because they were so close in age,
so they spent quite a bit of time together, and
they hung out in the same groups, and they shared
a lot of the same interests, and Cassie was super artistic.
She left to draw and listen to music in her room,
which sounds very familiar to kind of the same thing
that we were doing at that age and not many
years before that, which kind of hits a little close

(06:50):
to home a little bit, Like, Yeah, I can definitely
relate to where she was in her life at the time.
She was also a great student and had straight a's.
She was friendly and had a ton of friends, but
she never really seemed to get into any trouble. She
wasn't a partier or anything like that. She was pretty
straight leaced. She did make time for dating, and she

(07:11):
had been with her boyfriend Matt Beckman for about five
months in September of two thousand and six. And Yeah,
I really wish that I had known more about Cassie.
Like I said, I dug and dug and it's really
sad that there wasn't more information about her life and
who she was.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
That's One of the things that has really bugged me
about this case is because it's about her. She's the
victim in this case. But everything that you find and
everything that we're going to end up talking about is
going to be about the fuck tards. I'm just going
to throw it out there that ended her life early.
It's all about.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Them, exactly. And that's not what these stories should.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Be about, not at all.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
They should definitely be more about the victim than anyone.
And it was really disheartening to literally not be able
to find anything about her. Yep, anywhere in any of
the other articles, news stories, or newspapers or even the
court documents. There is nothing.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Anything, but what little information that we do have that
we have seen all says the same thing. She was
just she was one of those girls in school that
that you wanted to be friends with, that she was
just loved and liked by her peers and her family,
and she was just in a really great place in

(08:32):
her life. And so that's the only thing that we
can hold on to and kind of remember. But this case,
unfortunately does revolve more around the two that we'll be
talking about here shortly.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, so we have to talk about them. Unfortunately. But
before we get there, let's kind of talk about what
she was doing at that time. Like we said, she
was a very happy, caring, giving girl, and she was
more than happy to help others because she agreed Tuesday
at her uncle's home to pet sit there two dogs
and three cats while they went out of town for

(09:06):
the weekend of September twenty second of two thousand and six.
And of course they did pay her for this, but
I mean, she's a sixteen year old girl. She could
have very easily said like, no, I've got better things too,
but no, she was responsible and cared about her family,
and she was like, yeah, sure, I'll sit in your
house on like two acres in the middle of nowhere

(09:27):
and watch your pets for the weekend for you. On
the evening of September twenty second, Cassie and her boyfriend
Matt got dropped off at her in uncle's house by
Cassie's mother Anna around five thirty pm, and it didn't
take long for them to decide that they wanted to
make it more of like a get together, so they
invited more people over for the fun, and Matt's friends Tory,

(09:49):
Adamchick and Brian Draper showed up around six point thirty
to join the movie night. Kattie, being the welcoming person
that she was, she gave them a tour of the house,
showed them around everywhere, and then they settled in to
watch Kill Bill Volume two, which I mean, anybody knows
that kill Bill, Yeah, bring her back memories exactly. Brian Draper.

(10:11):
He told the group that he needed to be home
by nine point thirty, and Matt and Tory talked about
the possibility of Matt leaping over at Tory's house that
night after he left Cassie's house for the evening. And
I think Matt and Tory had actually known each other
since middle school, so Matt and Tory were pretty good friends.
And then I think Brian moved into town a few
years later and that's how he kind of came to

(10:32):
know both of them. And so Brian and Toy Tory
were pretty close, and you know, Matt just kind of
knew Brian through Toy. So just a little background there.
Like I said, Matt talked about sleeping over at Tory's
house and then they left around nine forty five. So
Brian and Tory left around nine forty five, and then
Cassie and Matt continued to hang out and watch movies,

(10:54):
but it didn't take long for things to start becoming
kind of weird in the house. So about fifteen minutes
after Tory and Brian left, the power went off in
the home. So of course this made Matt and Cassie uneasy,
and they were huddled together in the living room on
the couch in the darkness, and Cassie knew that there
was a breaker box in the basement, but one of

(11:16):
the dogs was acting really weird and growling and whimpering
and kind of barking at the basement door. Of course,
this freaked them out a little bit, like, I know,
I'm getting goosebumps. Yeah, so this freaked them out a
little bit, and they were like, Wow, if the dog's
freaking out, I'm not going down there. That's a whole
lot of Nope, no to look at anything. Matt, being

(11:37):
the sweet sixteen year old boyfriend that he was, called
his mom because he didn't feel right leaving Cassie alone,
so he calls his mom to ask if she could
stay the night, and as a mom, his mom did
what any would do and just assume, you know, you're
just trying to weasele your way into staying there, you know,

(11:58):
because she's your girlfriend and you want to spend the
night in an empty house with her. And shut it
down immediately, which is completely understandable. And there were some
records that I saw that said that she did offer
to let Cassie stay at.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Their house with them.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I read that too, yes, but in the police reports
or the actual light court reports of the interviews later on,
there was no mention of that. I don't think that
that actually happened. I don't think that she did offer
to let Cassie stay the night from what Matt said later. Yeah,
So Matt's mom came and picked him up at their
agreed him upon time, and Cassie went on to you know,

(12:38):
stay there for the night. And at this point, I
think a couple lights had turned back on in the home,
so Matt was feeling a little less uncomfortable because she
did have some power back. So it's like, okay, well,
at least she's not in the pitch dark yet black,
and I'm leaving her here for the night. So after
Matt left Cassie, he called friend Tory to let him

(13:01):
know that they're planned to hang out and for him
to spend the night weren't going to happen, and he
had to go home. And Matt noted that Tory was
whispering when he answered the phone, and he assumed it
was because he was in the movie theater like he
said he was going to be when they left earlier,
because they had mentioned possibly going to see a movie.
And he figured out, well, he's whispering because he's probably

(13:22):
in the theater, and doesn't you know, want to be
a jerk right and be loud while other people are
trying to watch the movie. But what Matt didn't know
was that Tory, Adam Chick, and Brian Draper weren't at
the movies. And he wasn't keeping his voice down because
he was in a.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Crowd because he was trying to be polite, right, He was.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Whispering because he and Brian Draper were in the basement
of Cassie's and uncle's house and he didn't want Matt
or Cassie to hear him because it wasn't a power
outage or a trip that caused the power to go out.
It was Tory and Brian, and when Cassie gave them
a tour of the home because she is the kind
person that she is. Brian Draper unlocked the back door

(14:04):
so they could sneak back in later, and after the
boys left to quote unquote go to the movies, they
drove down the street and snuck back to her house
and through the back door, killing the power and then
beginning of their night of torment.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Here's where we get into the real great stuff. And
I use that term very loosely.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, So unfortunately, this is where we do need to
go into more of the background on Tory Adamcheck and
Brian Draper so we can understand who they were and
where their minds were.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I don't know we'll ever actually understand that, but this
is just what we can relay.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, and it has to be told, unfortunately, because it
is part of the story. So Tory Adamchick and Brian
Draper were also sixteen years old, and they were horror
movie buffs that also attended Pocatello High School with Cassie
and Matt and they were all in the same grade.
And I feel like it was some sort of weird
kismet that brought the pair together because I don't know

(15:07):
how often it is that people with these same weird
eerie desires.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Meet weird and eerie to the point that they brought it. Yeah, definitely,
like we're weird and we met, but not to this.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
We never took it to this point, not to this extent.
So it's always really interesting to me when you have
pairs like.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
This, because it's unique. Brian Draper was known for being
overly interested in the Columbine High School shooting, even had
a poster of the shooters on his wall in his bedroom,
which I have questions. Yeah, Brian Draper was known for
being overly interested in the Columbine High School shooting. He
even had a poster of the shooters on the wall
in his bedroom. Really don't know why that wasn't addressed

(15:48):
by his family. Are you okay? This is not something
that you I had like backstory boys and en sinct
placid all over my walls, not high school shooters, right.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
And my question was I hate to immediately like where
are their parents? Because there are so many circumstances where
you just don't know what is going on with your kids.
But if he had this poster hanging in his room,
did they never see it? Never?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Did he have it hidden in a place in his
room where they couldn't see it, or did they just
not go in there, or was it a circumstance that
we just we don't know. Were they just not able
to be as.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Involved, or maybe was it one of those circumstances where
the parents were embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Or afraid to address it in denial?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Maybe And it's hard. You don't want to sit here
and shit on somebody who's parenting. No, but I feel
like this is kind of a red flag.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's that's a red red banner, red blimp. Maybe like
that for me, it would not fly. Okay, So Brian
liked the column buying shooters Tory Adamcheck may not have
a weird may not have had a weird fascination with
the shootings, but he was really interested in horror movies,
specifically the Scream franchise, which were originally launched in nineteen

(17:08):
ninety six. Scream two and three was released by two
thousand and six, so they all three of the original
trilogy had been released by then, and that I knew
of this case because of its association with for this
reason specifically, I'm sitting here with a laptop that has
a sticker of ghostface on the other side of it.
Like Scream literally is one of my all time favorite movies.

(17:33):
They're not that great, to be perfectly honest, but they're not.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's it's the camp and it's when they came out
and how old we were when they came out, and
I think that's why they have such a significant for us.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yes, Bran Draper had a concerning history of behaviors, including
the planning of a school shooting in two thousand and
four with another unnamed underage friend. A student of the
school reported their concerns to administration, and when it was investigated,
Draper and the friend said that they were quote quote kidding.
All the school did was tell them not to make threats,

(18:05):
even in jest. That was it. No further investigation, no
concern about this type of language. But you know, back then,
it wasn't as like now that shit would be.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
That would be squashed, swashed immediately.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
So back then, yeah, it was. It wasn't as commonly
taken as seriously as it is now. So we were
looking back on it, like, God, why the hell didn't
they just like, oh, hell no, shut that shit down now.
But it's because it wasn't was it like it is
now nowadays? Just one month later, Draper and another boy
walked through a school dance pretending to shoot people. Then again,

(18:38):
in two thousand and six, a concerned peer turned in
a note between Draper and none other than Tory Adamcheck
with the phrase when are we going to do this?
Scribbled on it. School officials dismissed the student's concerns.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I'm confused. I understand it, it's a different time, and
maybe the first one doesn't warrant like any sort of
real action by the school. But how is it that
multiple concerning actions and statements were made by the same
person and they were just ignored or dismissed or being

(19:13):
ingest or not serious. How I mean? This is three
different instances in a matter of two years, maybe not
even two years, maybe a year and a half of
him doing having, making concerning actions, statements, writings about potentially
dangerous situations against his peers. I don't understand how these

(19:40):
continuous signs of disturbed behavior and violence can just be
ignored over and over again. And if he had brought
a gun to the school at some point, that when
they would have finally gotten the attention of the school
or I don't know. I mean, unfortunately, even now, this

(20:00):
is nothing new and we've seen it time and time again.
Unfortunately with the increase in mass shootings and the people
who are doing these things showing warning signs and other
people saying things like did you've all these shooter like
his his peers called him a school shooter before it
ever even happened. And so it's just at what point

(20:24):
are the school officials and the people in charge supposed
to pay attention or is it actually serious enough for
them to like put their foot.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Down and do something about it. It's it's hard, that's
that's a very very hard thing because look at all
the look at all of the students that they have
to pay attention to with varying circumstances home whatever. You know,
my ten year old is a weirdo. I have no
idea where she gets it from. Still trying to figure
that out. Yes, that's a rhetorical question, but you know,

(20:55):
I'm sure she does some weird questionable shit at school
too that like some teach could be like, should we
be concerned about this? But you know, we know that
it's nothing. So they have all of these students. All
of these kids that are doing all of this weird shit,
when do they know if it's legitimate? They can't Every
single time that there is the remote inclination of something

(21:20):
like that, they can't stop the world and address it
because they would never actually do any education. It would
just be.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, this, And that makes me think, how do we
know that Brian Draper wasn't the only student at the
time exactly doing these types of actions. It's hard to
know what is right and what is the best way
to handle it.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
And we can just sit back here, you know, Hidesight's
twenty twenty, like what if we should have, should have,
would have, could have, but we weren't there, we didn't know,
we couldn't have. There's just yeah, we can only just
talk about how we wished it would have gone down
for Cassie's sake.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
On the other side of the spectrum, we have Tory
Adamchick and like Amber said, he wasn't obsessed with a
Columbine shooting, but he was obsessed with horror movies, knives
and guns. According to students who knew him, and Adamcheck
did have a knife collection that he kept in his closet.
So on one side, we have somebody with the Columbine

(22:22):
Shooters on his wall, and on the other side, we
have someone with a night collection in his closet. And
I don't know if his parents knew about this collection
or not.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
See this is also back then. I remember somebody that
I dated had a knife collection as well, and it
wasn't a concerning thing. It was just hey, I didn't
think anything of it. It was just, hey, look this
cool knife that I got, you know, So it's hard.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
To say if that's really a concerning thing or not.
He also talked about taking notes while watching horror movies
so he could learn how to commit the perfect crime
and not get caught. And the problem here is a
kid can be interested in horror movies or think knives
are cool, and maybe even collect them, and it doesn't
mean anything, and you can sit there and say, oh, yeah,

(23:09):
I notes when I watch horror movies. Other people probably
thought he was kidding or didn't take it secarily because
I could see somebody we know saying something like that.
How I see myself seeing something like that in jest
or being silly.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I was even gonna say I probably have said that
or done that. A time or two because I like
writing short stories and it's information to use.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And how I realize seeing other storytellers get their ideas,
So it's not that far fetched.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
It's again another one of those things when do you
draw a line of it's a real concerning issue. Although
I mean we're not even done talking about both of them,
and this is enough things between the two of them.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
That that should be cause for concern. And to that point,
like it's much easier to say that someone who makes
comments like that are joking than to say that someone
threatens to shoot a school is joking. So Adam Chick
saying oh, I take notes to learn how to kill
people's much different than Draper threatening to shoot up at school, right,

(24:19):
So one is much more serious than the other. So
it's easy to see how people could dismiss all of
these behaviors that Adam Chick was showing as just like
him being silly or just his personality. But he did
go through school halls pretending to stab people or slit
their throats.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
This also, I think with both of them, and especially
kids that age in that time, it's an attention seeking behavior.
So this is just a more extreme way of displaying it,
and so people probably wouldn't have been concerned about it
because they just thought, oh, they're just trying to get attention,
they just want know whatever. That's just Tory exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
And I didn't see any sort of indication that like
this had ever been brought up to administration or anything,
any concerns about him or like the pretending to stab
people or anything like that. So I don't think that
that was ever anything that was brought up to school
admins like Brian Draper's actions have been. But the student

(25:23):
who did know Adamchech and told authorities all of this
information about him, which is where it came from, was
like the police interviews, they this student did tell police
that Tory had had a long standing crush on Cassie.
So he had had a crush on her for about

(25:44):
two or three years. You know, I'm requited love. Cassie's
dating his friend. Now no interest in him. Probably leads
to some hurt feelings in a sixteen year old boy.
Like I said, Draper and Adam Chick were friends met
in some sort of weird kidments you have, you know,
two very intense personalities interests coming together in a friendship

(26:08):
and they unfortunately had been discussing for some time that
they did want to kill people. They would argue about
whether it would be a mass shooting like Colum Buying,
because that's what Draper wanted, or if it would be
more like the screen kitting the screen killings, which is
what Torri wanted, and they did end up deciding to

(26:30):
go the scream route, which is why this case is
called the screen killing. Adam Chick wanted to follow in
the footsteps of his favorite murdering duo, Billy Loomis and
Stu Macher, which is hard because, as a fan of
the Screen franchise, those names hold a very special place
in your hearts.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
And these dip dongs are destroying that exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
So on August thirty first of two thousand and six,
Adam Chick called his eighteen year old friend Joe Loose
Sarah and asked him if he would take them to
a pawn shop to buy knives because they're sixteen, so
they can remind them exactly. So it goes to show
to me, it goes to show how immature an eighteen
year old is, because like my first reaction of somebody

(27:15):
asked me to go buy them knives would be like, yeah,
let's go.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
But also this is a different time, Like I said,
I mean I dated a sixteen year old that had
this knife collection. So there's definitely it's like, oh no,
it's cool. Knives are cool boys, we men, we like
our knives. And so he probably was a dumb ass.
He's associating with these two upstanding members of society.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
So yeah, yeah, And I think that Joe Lucero did
know that Adam Check had a knife collection, and so
he just assumed that he wanted more knives for his collection,
and that's all it was. So he took them to
a pawnshop then to help them, and Adam Chick picked
out one knife and Draper picked out three, and so

(27:57):
I guess the boys had taken money out in an
ATM pri to getting to the pawn shop, so they
gave Lucera the cash and he paid for it, and
out they went with their four knives. It was also
around this time that they started recording themselves talking about
killing people, and later they would say this was for
a horror film that they were.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Making, And you can find these videos. They're online still,
and they're awful and gut wrenching to watch, but it's
also they play a very very important part for later
on and bringing them to justice for Cassie. So while

(28:36):
they're not pleasant to talk about, you got to talk
about them.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Anyway, Yeah, because it is it is proof that they
did what they did. I am not going to play
the recordings because I couldn't bring myself to listen to
their voice.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I don't want to listen to them again. I've had enough.
So if you want to find them and listen to them,
they're readily available for you to find and the videos
to watch and listen to everything.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
So it's out there. But I do have the little
snippet snippets of some of the transcripts from the videos
that I'm just gonna read through. So one of these
videos was recorded on the evening of September twenty first
of two thousand and six, around eighth five pm. And yeah,
we're just gonna I'm just gonna quote what they said.

(29:21):
So it starts with Brian Draper and he says, we're
going for a high death count Adam Chick. Plus we're
not going to get caught, Brian. If we're going for guns,
we're just gonna end it. We're going to grab the
guns and get out of there and kill everybody and
leave Draper. We're going to make history. We're going to
make history, Adam Chick for all you FBI agents watching this.

(29:43):
And then Draper laughs, Adam Chick, you weren't quick enough. Laughing, Draper,
you weren't quick enough, and you weren't smart enough. And
we're going over to Jane Doe One's house. We're gonna
snoop around over there and see if she's home alone
or not. And if she's home alone, splat she did.

(30:03):
That's just a little snippet of that video because they
don't deserve more than that. But this goes to show
you that this does not sound like somebody who's plotting
a horror movie or making a horror movie. And they
are listing, so Jane Doe one is the actual name
of a person that they were targeting. Of course, her

(30:25):
name has been redeedicted, so we don't know what it is.
Jane Doe one.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Is not Cassie No, So somebody completely different.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
They are sitting here talking about killing someone that they know.
It's it's not a horror film. And these dumb ass kids,
they had a hit list of people they were going
to kill, and they can be her discussing their plans
to kill one of them in this like I said,
And fortunately this person they're talking about was not home

(30:53):
alone and so their plans were foiled, thank god. And
they recorded several more videos on the night of September
twenty first, where they discussed that killing shouldn't be illegal
and that it was natural selection. Last time I checked,
natural selection has nothing to do with one person killing
another person. No, that's not a natural selection means no.

(31:18):
And in the same conversation they talked about another redacted
name for someone called Jane Doe number three, So not
even Jane Doe number two, but Jane do number three three,
And that means there were at least three other people
besides Cassie on this death list. I don't know what
the total number was.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Either there was at.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Least one male on the list as well from another
video that they made, or they talked about a male
yeah victim or potential victim. And Brian Draper also makes
comments on this night in their videos, saying that they
are six psychopaths who get off on killing people, to
which Adam Chick responds that sounds good, baby.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
So you know, at the beginning of this, them talking
like how we're gonna go and check out this girl's
house see if she's there, and if she's there, she's dead.
You know, if they're really getting into character, they're really
trying to get into the mindset, like if this was
honestly for a horror movie, they're WEIRDO is enough that
I could I could see like, okay, so that's they're

(32:22):
they're taking it a little far, but they're really getting
into it. If this is for a horror movie, they're
playing the part correctly, but we're getting into multiple and
ongoing and multiple videos. They you can just tell. The
thing that drove me that just got under my skin
the most, like listening to the video, listening to them

(32:42):
their videos and watching the videos and everything, because the
video quality isn't all that great. There's a lot of
it that they're just like staring off at the night
sky and there's not you know, discernible things that you're
actually seeing, so really you're just listening to it for
the audio. But the thing that got me the most
was the the more that they kept talking, the more
that they kept her recording, the more that they went
on and on the more. You can just feel how

(33:04):
much more excited and charged that they were getting about it,
so that that doesn't really ring into let's make a
horror film. That means they're getting carried away.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, they're getting amped up and excite.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
The build up is going. The next day, on September
twenty second, two thousand and six, they continue their recordings
throughout the day. The first one occurs at about eight
twenty eight am when they run into Cassie in the
school hallways as she's getting books from her locker. This
hits so hard because literally, when they're recording her and
they're talking to her and seeing her, they already have

(33:40):
plans to kill her.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
The chills, so many chills.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
I remember this video. She just seems so annoyed, like
leave GTFO go away. Which I am not a morning person.
I'm not a happy, cheerful chirper chirper words are hard
type of person.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Dame, you don't you don't talk to me in the morning.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
No, there's there's a very real possibility I will bite
your face off if you talk to me before I'm
fully awake. So now, and I was like this in
school don't talk to me until i'm I will be
the one to talk to you first. If I talk
to you, if I open up communication, you're good. You're
not gonna get throat punch now.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
And you and you were like that, And I can
attest to that because I was there.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
You were there, Yeah, and we stayed the night with
each other, and he.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Saw you in the morning.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yes, don't don't look in my direction, don't breathe in
my direction. But yes, but that that's a very common, relatable,
relatable kind of like she's that's I was just like her.
I was just like that in school. And there's you know,
video showing her like this. So so here's a little
snippet from that video. Draper, Hey, look it's Cassie. Hello Cassie.

(34:53):
Cassie says hello, Draper laughs, I'm getting you on tape. Okay,
say hi please, And then as we as I had mentioned,
just annoyed, completely bothered, she just says hi, and that's it.
So around noon the same day, they're sitting in classroom
with the camera on the table facing them. This is
another video that I vividly remember, and they say in

(35:15):
the video that they're skipping the fourth hour class to
work on their plans for that night, essentially making their
death list. They're obviously at school because they're talking quietly,
and they even stop for a time because they notice
that somebody is watching them. And here's another snippet of
or here's a snippin of that conversation. Draper, Hopefully this
will go smoothly and we can get our first killed
done and then keep going, Adam Check for you future

(35:39):
serial killers watching this tape, They both laugh, Adam Chick,
I don't know what to say, Draper's it's Adam Check.
Good luck with that, Draper, Good luck, Adam Check. Hopefully
you don't have like eight or nine failures like we have, Draper.
We've probably tried maybe ten times, but they've never been
home alone, so Adam Chick, or when they have their

(36:02):
parents show up, Draper, as long as you're patient, you know,
and we're patient. And now we're getting paid off because
they're victim's home alone. So we got her, our plan
all worked out. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Cassie's family, but
she just she had to be the one and we
have to stick with the plan, and she's perfect. So
she's gonna die. He laughs.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Why Why is she perfect? Why? Because because they know
she's going to be alone and there's not going to
be anybody to get in their way, Like I, oh,
I have full body children.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Just why.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I understand the Devil's advocate, but at this point, I
don't see how anybody could look at this and not
take that seriously. And they're sitting there apologizing to our
family on tape, saying, oh.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Sorry, sorry, but she had to be the one.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
She's perfect, And this is their friend's girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
And that's why I say, why, Like, where's the disconnect
that Like? This is this is somebody that they know,
This is somebody that they've hung out with, This is
somebody that they have spent social time with outside of school.
How why?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Because they're so set on this weird goal of being
known as the next screen killers, the next Billy and Stu, Yeah,
the next Ted Bundy or other serial killers as they
talk about in another one of their tapes. They're so
set on this weird, sick fantasy that they're not seeing

(37:25):
that like they're actually talking about real people.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
No, that's exactly what it seems like. It's that they're,
like I said, disconnect.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
So the next time we hear from Adam Chick and
Draper is at nine to fifty three pm on the
night of September twenty second, and by this point they
had crashed Matt and Cassie's night at our aunt and
uncle's house and left to quote unquote go see a movie.
Of course, they pick up the camera to go over
the next steps, and here's how that conversation went. Draper.

(37:54):
We're here in his car. The time is nine fifty
September twenty second, two thousand and six. Unfortunately, we have
the grueling task of killing our two friends, and they
are right in in that house just down the street.
Adam Check. We just talked to them. We were there
for an hour. But Draper, we checked out the whole house,

(38:15):
so we know there's lots of doors, there's lots of
places to hide. I unlocked the back doors. It's all unlocked. Now,
we just got to wait. And yeah, we're really nervous
right now, but you know we're ready, Adam Check. We're
listening to the greatest rock band ever, Draper. We've waited
for this for a long time, Adam Check. Pink Floyd.

(38:37):
Before we commit the ultimate crime of murder, Draper We've
waited for this a long time, Adam Check, a long time, Draper.
We will stay tuned. They're sitting there amping themselves up,
talking about how they are potentially going to kill two
people if Matt is still in the house.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Their friend. They're legitimate, like this is not a friend
through another friend like Cassie was. This is their friend, supposedly, No.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
And Tory Adamchek had known Matt what four years at
this point, and had spen the Nido de Jeller's houses
and created a relationship, and here he is willing to
kill him to fulfill this weird fantasy. Back in Frank
and Allison Contreras's house, Cassie was now alone because her
boyfriend Matt got picked up by his mom after his
unsuccessful attempt to stay the night because he was worried

(39:27):
about her. So, knowing that she was now alone, Brian
Draper and Tory Adamcheck made their way upstairs in the
dark house while wearing all black and white masks designed
to look like they were covered in blood. We'll talk
more about that later. So in one of the police interviews,
Adam Check said that he and Draper argued while they
were still in the basement before Draper cut off all

(39:48):
the power in the house again. Draper was holding what
was referred to in the trial as a Sloan blade,
which is a dagger type weapon, while Adam Chick was
holding a hunting style knife called a Rambo knife. According
to Adamchak, Draper told him to go into the living
room and he refused, so Draper went around him into
the living room, where Cassie saw him and said something

(40:11):
to him and screamed. They then proceeded to stab her
thirty times before fleeing the home and heading back to
their car. And this is the transcript from the video
that was taken after the murder at eleven thirty one.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
US reading this transcript, telling you does not convey the
overall disgusting feeling that you get whenever you're listening to this.
It's absolutely awful listening to these two dumb ass kids,
so excited, so amped, so their voices are shaking.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
They're just Ayana Jelin.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yes, gentlemen, Yeah, it's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Brian Draper says, Jeff killed Cassie. We just left. This
is not a fucking joke, Adam Chick, I'm shaking, Draper
I stabbed her in the throat and I saw her
lifeless body. It just disappeared. Dude, I just killed Cassie.
Adam check. Oh my god, Draper, Oh fuck, oh fuck.
That felt like it wasn't even real. I mean, it

(41:17):
went by so fast, Adam Chick. Shut the fuck up.
We got to get our acts straight. Draper. It's okay, okay,
Well we'll just buy movie tickets now, Adam Chick. Okay,
Draper says something we can't understand. Adam Chick. No, Draper, Okay. Bye.
So here they are, right after they killed her, getting

(41:39):
out the video camera to record themselves admitting to the crime.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
They essentially just confessed to a crime and recorded it. Bam. Yeah,
I mean, but this is this is what they wanted
from the beginning. The next day, Saturday, September twenty third,
Matt tried to call Cassie several times, but she never
answered the phone. He didn't have his own car, so
there's no way for him to drive over to check
on her. I saw reports that said her mother, Anna,

(42:05):
also tried to get in touch with Cassie that day
without success. If my kid had a friend, you know, boyfriend,
anything like that, and not able to get a hold
of them, or you know, even if it was my
kid and I can't if she stayed the night somewhere
else and I don't have her checking in with me. Yeah,

(42:26):
and she's not answering the phone, I'm you best bet
I'm up in my car heading over there, or I'm
calling somebody else to go over there and check.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Immediately, exactly if I'm not in a place where I
can get in a car and go over there, you
can't judge because you don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
We weren't there they probably, I mean, and also this
was just such a probably a normal thing.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
That you know, she didn't answer the phone sometimes.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Maybe Yeah, And this is also two thousand and six
to where you know, we've got the phones glued to
attached to her hands. That this wasn't like this back then,
So maybe this wasn't really a cause for concern, But
Matt and his mom were a little bit more because
of the weird thing with the power going out. We
can sit here and say, because we're in the timeframe

(43:07):
that we are now, that.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's it's the immediate response all the time.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
So then now you know, no judgment at all whatsoever
on their family anything like that, because we were not
there and it was a completely different time, so this
was probably just normal, Like you know, she this a
normal thing. She stayed the night somewhere else, she maybe
she slept in, maybe she so many different circumstances that
you know. I mean, we're sitting here talking about true crime,

(43:33):
so our thoughts immediately go in this direction because we're
built that way. Now, they were not probably like that,
so we can't really say that it's out of the norm.
So around seven to eight pm that evening, Tory Adamcheck

(43:53):
picked Matt up so we could spend the night at
Tory's house. Matt told Tory he hadn't heard from Cassie
all day and was concerned and asked Tory if he
would drived her aunt uncle's house so he could see
if she was okay. Tory told Matt that he didn't
have enough guess to drive out there because he had
to make the gas that he had last the rest
of the week. So Matt spent the night at Tory's house,
unaware that his friend knew exactly why Cassie wasn't answering

(44:15):
his calls. Wasn't until the next day, when Cassie's mother
called him, asking what he had done to her daughter
that he knew something was wrong.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Could you imagine being concerned about even a friend or
like a boyfriend or girlfriend not being able to get
in the hold of them staying the night at a
friend's house looking for some sort of support, only to
find out later that they were the reason why all
the time, I feel bad for Matt, Yes, for many,

(44:43):
many reasons, but knowing that he stayed the night at
that house after what had happened and he had no idea,
it hurts.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
And of course being the boyfriend and the last one
to see her, he's the one that's going to be
immediately pointed at, always questioned you okay to find out
that something's happened to your girlfriend because her mom is
asking you what you want, what you did?

Speaker 1 (45:09):
And that's not an unreasonable thing, like so, did you
break up? Did you have a fight? Did you That's
common things, especially for kids of that age, So it's
but to know that it's gone beyond that to this level, I.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Don't that would be really hard to move fast. Ever,
Massy Joe's daughter was found to unmoving and surrounded by
blood in the upstairs living room of one one three
seven to two with springs springs drive by her thirteen
year old cousin on Sunday, September twenty fourth of two
thousand and six. The coroner's report showed that she had

(45:42):
thirty stab wounds, nearly half of which were fatal. That's
four cousin.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Oh yeah, thirteen years old. She's got to live with
that for the rest of her life. That sentence alone
is just a lot to process because the thirty stab wounds,
that's that's a lot. That's personal, that's very, very personal,
and nearly half of them were fatal, So I guess

(46:08):
it also, I don't know if you can find some
maybe that means that it was a quicker you can hope, hope, yeah,
with that because they were fatal. She may have bled
out faster, or.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
He even knew that she had been so many.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
People before all of that really set in. Maybe her
body because it had been attacked so viciously, so fast
and badly, that her body kind of maybe hopefully protected
her from feeling all of that new and it went
faster than we can only hope.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
And of course, the investigation into her death began immediately
with the interview of her boyfriend Matt Backman, which is
what we said would happen. So he was one of
the last known people to see her before her death.
He recounted Friday night's events, telling investigators about Adam Chick
and Draper visiting the house, the weird happenings, that the
power going out, the failed attempts staying with her to

(47:00):
keep her company, and his eventual ride home from his parents,
along with what he did for the rest of the night.
I'm not going to go into it because, like it's
really not that exciting. He stayed up late, he read
stories with his dad, he watched movies with him. I
think he finally went to bed around three. He was
there all night, awake with his parents. Nothing, nothing uno

(47:20):
them full occurred. He did also tell investigators that Adam
Chick and Draper were both known to have crushes on
Cassie and they were into horror films. The understandable next
steps are to interview the other teens who were with her. Yeah, naturally,
so they made their way to Tory Adamchech's house to
interview him. Tory Adamchik was interviewed at his home with
his parents present Around eight pm on September twenty fourth,

(47:43):
so the same day that Cassie was found, he recounted
the same information that Matt had given. He picked up
Brian Draper and they went over to Cassie's and uncle's
house for what they were told would be a house party.
They watched Kill Bill Volume two and eight Popsicles while
Cassie gave them a tour of the home. Adam Tech
said he the open drawers, doors, cabinets, and played with
a weight machine that was in the garage. Around nine

(48:05):
forty five, he and Brian Draper left the house and
drove directly to the Carmike Theaters, where they decided to
watch the movie Pulse. But when asked, he couldn't remember
which theater they were in or give any details about
the plot of the movie or what it was about,
which is pretty curious considering that he's saying he sat
and watched a movie for a solid two hours, but.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
He couldn't give you any any kind of detail.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Any information about character names, any sort of plot points
at all for a movie he sat there and watched
for two hours.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
I have the memory of a goldfish, and I still
could have at least given something.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
And then Tory Adamchik told police that after the movie
was over, the two boys went back to Adam Chick's
house where they spent the night.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
So next to be interviewed, naturally, was Brian Draper at
his home with his mother present, on September twenty fifth.
Draper gave the same explanation of the evening at Cassie's,
including opening drawers, doors, and cabinets, and playing with the
weight machine in the garage.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
It seems it seems contrived to me or planned, because
they both said that, oh, yeah, while we were in
the house, we touched we opened doors, drawers and cabinets,
and played with the weight machine. They both did that exacting,
so that.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Was probably one of the first indications that this was
a worked out Yeah, this is they planned to give
this alibi. You know, when people are it's if you
watch a lot of scripted or unscripted shows, when they
when they give extra details, it's because they are guilty

(49:42):
and they're trying to be less guilty, which just backfires.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And if you have two people saying the exact same thing,
it's gonna raise ibra. Yes.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
So Draper also told detectives that they left around nine
to forty five and went to the car Mic Theater
to watch the movie Pulse. However, he also could not
RecA which theater they were in or what the movie
was about. It was after this interview that investigator spoke
with an unnamed classmate about Cassie's murder. The student had
information about Brian Draper and Tory Adamcheck that was relevant
to her death. So at this point that we find

(50:14):
out about Tory Adamcheck's obsession with knives, guns, and horror films,
and that he and Draper were writing a horror movie
of their own. This student also overheard Cassie tell them
that she wanted to be in their movie when they
made it, which I mean as a friend, Like if
I was Cassie, I totally would have wanted to do that, Like, hell, yeah,
you're doing a horror movie. Let I want to do it.

(50:35):
Let me do it with you. But considering how this ended, uugh.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
It's so disturbing.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
The student also informs officers that Tory Adamcheck had a
crush on Cassie, along with other information about his behavior
at school that we had discussed earlier in the story.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
After this very informative discussion and the inconsistencies with Brian
and Torri's stories, they decided to go interview Brian Draper again,
but at the police station, this time with his parents present.
So during this interview, Brian Draper admitted that they did
not go to the movies after leaving Cassie and Matt,
and instead he tells investigators that they drove down the

(51:17):
road from the home, put on gloves, and proceeded to
lock around the neighborhood with the intention of going through
cars quote unquote, but he said that none of the
cars were unlocked, and he couldn't remember what neighborhood where
they were in or give a description of any of
the cars. And at this point Draper did agree to

(51:37):
take a polygraph test because the cops still aren't buying
his story for obvious reasons, because he can't give any
sort of detailed information about anything about where he was,
what he was doing, what cars he was looking at
house members.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Nothing gave detailed information about what he did in Cassie's
aunt uncle's house, but nothing after that.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
That's a really good point. Yeah, they that part of
their story, but they don't have any sort of real
detailed explanation of what they did afterwards. So, like I said,
he agreed to take a polygraph test. Anyone who listens
or knows true crime knows that polygraph tests aren't admissible
in court. And he probably thought that he was clever

(52:18):
enough to lie and stay calm to hide any inconsistencies.
But even the most honest person can be seen as
untruthful on a polygraph due to the highest stress of
the situation. I would not pass a polygraph. Oh, he'll know.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
If you asked me, is your name Amber? I would
probably still fail.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yes. Anxiety is a real thing that is a huge
amount of pressure to put on anyone. So the fact
that he's sitting there saying thinking that he can pass
a polygraph if he is innocent or whatever whatever he's
trying to accomplish, it is just like it's bullshit. And
this is why this kind of thing is not admissible
in court, because it's not a good indication of whether

(52:57):
you're guilty.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Or it's not a consistent, reliable method.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
After Brian Draper's polygraph test on September twenty seventh, Brian
and his father stepped out into the hallway while the
investigator was talking to Brian's mother. It was noted that
when Brian and his father came back into the room
that his father was crying. This and whatever the polygraph
showed led to the decision to bring back the original

(53:22):
detectives that interviewed Draper, which is not a good sign.
But at the beginning of the third interview with Brian Draper,
he was read his Miranda rights. He knows he's in
deep shit at this point, and he decides to come
clean about what happened that evening. He tells detectives that
after they left Matt and Cassie, they parked down the
street where they proceeded to get their costumes, consisting of

(53:42):
black shirts, gloves, white masks, and knives. Then they walked
down the driveway and entered the house through the basement
door that they had unlocked during their tour earlier. Draper
said they walked around the basement trying to get Matt
and Cassie's attention so they would come down and check
things out. They threw objects to the floor, breaking them
and shut off the lights using the breaker box, and

(54:05):
after they realized that Matt and Cassie were not going
to come down the stairs, they turned some of the
lights back on. It was at this point that Matt's
mom picked him up. And once Matt was gone and
they realized that he was and Tory had that conversation
with Matt on the phone whispering pretending to be in
a movie theater, they decided to turn the lights back
off and went upstairs.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
So earlier when we were talking about when the power
went off and they were debating if they Cassie knew
that the breaker was downstairs, but the dog was just
acting weird and whimpering and whining. Well, it was probably
because the dog could hear the two dip dongs breaking
shit and causing a whole bunch of noise down in
the basement. Didn't know what was going on, but Matt

(54:49):
and Cassie couldn't.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
And I think I think Brian even said that in
his interview, that like one of the dogs was freaking out,
But I just kind of left that out because we
had already talked about it. But yeah, obviously the dog
knew what was up. After they turned these lights back off,
they went upstairs. Brian Draper then says that he slammed
a door shut in an attempt to scare Cassie, and
they walked into the living room. Cassie was laying on

(55:11):
the couch and jumps up and asks who they are
and tells them she's going to kick their ass.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
What a freaking badass.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
That is such a strong, bold reaction to have in
a situation like that, and it just goes to show
you what a strong person she was.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
And you can tell you know she's asking who they are,
she doesn't recognize them at this point. I don't know
if it's better that she doesn't know who it is
or I mean, would it make it worse if she
had known who.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I mean, it wouldn't make it. It would have made
it worse for them if she had survived, absolutely, But
that's a good question. I don't know. I think she
would have been terrified either way. I'd honestly more confused
if she had known who it was, So maybe it's
better that she didn't know. Draper told detectives that it
was Tory Adamchick alone, of course, and that once she

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was dead. They left the house and drove back to
Adamchik's parents' house, where they got a blue trash back
from the garage. And stuffed it with costumes and knives.
The pair also grabbed a bottle of rubbing alcohol and
leave the home again in Adam Chick's car. After stopping
to buy matches, they drive out to Black Rock Canyon,
where they walked down the trail for an undetermined amount

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of time stop burn the bag full of evidence with
the rubbing alcohol in the matches. Draper couldn't remember if
Adam Chick Burt buried the bag or not. Pants and
his shoes both of the boys were wearing during the
murder were not destroyed, so there was still a lot
of evidence on those. And after the confession, Brian Draper
rode with detectives to Black Rock Canyon where he took

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them to exactly where they left the bag full of
clothing and knives and other evidence. And we do have
a list of evidence that was found.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
And it's quite the list, long list. In the bag
there were stick matches, a pair of black boots, a
pair of blue rubber gloves, a pair of Athletics Works
brand fingerless gloves, a melted brown hydrogen peroxide bottle, a
multicolored mask, a large dagger type knife with a sheath,
a silver and black handled knife with a signature of

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Sloane written on the inside. A small dagger type knife
with a sheath. A sony videotape. This is the videotape
that was later repaired and straightened in order to make
it playable and transcribed from earlier A black handled, serrated
folding knife. Later DNA testing revealed that Stoddard's blood was
present on this knife. A partly burned piece of paper

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with writing and pencil. So it says, Brian is gonna
kill Cassie, home alone, stop runs into Tory. We murder
Cassie is home alone house, Brian kills his on the
back porch, his body on the back porch house Brian
has and we kill her killing Matt.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
So it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
That hurt my brain.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
It doesn't make a lot of sense. But as I'm
looking at it now, my thought is, if it's partially burned,
maybe they can only.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
That's only writing. That's probably only what they were able
to make out, and so it's probably out the complete
sentences because you can't make out No, everything is yeah.
So to continue with the list, A red and white mask.
Later DNA testing revealed partial DNA profile of Adam Check
on the mask. A single black glove from a Later

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DNA testing revealed on this a partial DNA profile from
an unknown male, which is very interesting, very interesting. A
pair of partially burned black Puma brand gloves. Later DNA
testing revealed that Stoddard's blood had soaked into these gloves.
A blue plastic garbage bag. A partially burned black long

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sleeved Hagger brand dress shirt. A Calvin Klein black dress shirt.
Later DNA testing revealed that Stodart's blo L was present
on the shirtcuff. A white and gray sock, and a
small piece of black cord. Some of it seems kind
of random, like they just threw a bunch of shit
together because they didn't know what the hell they were doing.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Why a piece of black cord and a gray sock,
but not the pants and shoes that they were wearing.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Right, Like, where did the rest of the stuff go?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Did?

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I mean? Well, this was what was recovered. What did
get destroyed?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
So I think all of this was in the bag
and they tried to burn everything in the bag but failed,
So there were things in this bag.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
That got damaged but not completely destroyed. That makes more sense.
So after finding the evidence, detectives brought Tory, Adam Check,
and his parents to the police station for further questioning.
So at this point that Adam Check told police the
cover story about trying to break into cars and then
sleeping over at Draper's house that night. When confronted about
leaving the home to buy matches at a convenience store,

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Adam Check admitted that they did go buy matches because
Draper was a smoker, and that before they left, Draper
put a shovel in his trunk and he saw a
Halloween tight mask in the trunk that had probably been
purchased a while ago. I used to smoke, and if
I needed matches or whatever. Yeah, clearly the first thing
that I would bring with me as a shovel.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I don't understand how that's correlated at all exactly. That
just seems like a throwaway to me. To explain why
there was a shovel a shovel in the car, that's
one hundred percent what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
But what in their twisted ass brains thought that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Made sense because he's sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yeah, well we knew everything when we were sixteen. Totally sorry, mom.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
We know better now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Than we did. Then, Adam Check told detectives that they
then drove to black Rock Canyon, where Draper smoked a
couple of cigarettes. When detectives confronted him about the possibility
that he was involved in the murder of Cassie Joe
Stadter earlier that night, Adam Check decided to shut up
and ask for a lawyer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I did see and this was something that's not in
our notes. But after this interview was done and he
stopped talking and asked for a lawyer, and the detectives
left the room. You know, there's cameras in there that record.
So Tory's dad asked him like is this true, Like
is this really what we're doing?

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
And Adam chicko's yeah, yes, that video I remember saying,
And I got chills when I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Watched was I got chills just seeing Brian Draper and
Tory Adamchick were both charged with first degree murder and
conspiracy to commit murder. Their trials were held separately. During
the trials, Joe Luceerro, the eighteen year old friend that
took them to the pawnshop to buy the knives, identified
the knives found in black Rock Canyon as the knives

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he purchased for them on August thirty first of two
thousand and six. While both of them may have tried
to pin most of the brutal murder on the other,
a forenthic pathologist gave the opinion that two knives were
used to kill Cassie, once serrated and one non serrated.

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In his opinion, the serrated blade caused most of the
fatal wounds, but one wound that struck the right ventricle
of Cassie's heart was inflicted by the non serrated blade.
It's interesting to note that the serrated blade is referred
to as a hunting knife and the non serrated blade
would be the sloane knife. In an interview given by Draper,

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he said that he was holding the sloane knife while
Adam Chick was holding the hunting knife. Draper's statements are
that Adamchik was the one who stabbed Cassie to death.
In Adam Chuck's later statements, he says that Draper basically
bullied him to participate, and he only stabbed Cassie a
handful of times after Draper threatened to kill him. Draper

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basically said the same thing about Adam Jeff. Of course,
they were both found guilty and sentenced to life in
prison plus thirty years for the conspiracy to commit murder charge.
In twenty ten, Cassie's family filed a civil suit against
the Pocatello School District, citing that previous behavioral issues with Draper,

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like the ones we talked about, and the boys recording
themselves planning the murders while on school grounds made them
responsible for the murder. The Idaho Supreme Court ruled that
the district was not liable, stating that the murder, while tragic,
was unforeseeable absent the benefit of hindsight. Justice Joel Horton wrote,

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in light of the lack of foreseeability of this crime
and the enormous burden that would be imposed upon school
districts if we were to find that a duty exists
in this case, we conclude that no duty attached to
the school district under these circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
And we kind of touched on this earlier whenever we
were talking about how would the school be expected to
handle it? They would be It's all that they would
be doing throughout their days.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I totally understand the fallout that could happen if this
were to be held up because of all of the
responsibility on the school districts moving forward, absolutely to try
to stay on top of every single little.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Thing, exactly like we had said earlier. But I one
hundred percent see where Cassie's family is coming from, because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
There were warning signs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
There were, but they didn't know that they were warning
signs at the time. But and you know, Cassie's family, like,
if they had taken a chance, if they had, you know,
let's just look into this a little bit further, maybe
it could have prevented. So I one hundred percent see
where the family was coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
With that, if this school had maybe even punished him
a little more extremely for his behaviors, I don't think
that would have stopped him from doing any of it.
As though, at the end of the day, the school
district shouldn't be held responsibil for one student's actions, even
if some of these things were recorded on school grounds,
because there are a lot of kids to keep up

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with at school every day, and you can't you can't
pay attention to everything that everyone's day doing at the
same time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
But Brian Draper's lawyers asked for a new trial in
twenty eleven, stating that the sentencing was on unconstitutionally cruel
because he was a minor at the time of his conviction.
The ruling was upheld Tory Adamcheck also appealed his sentencing
in twenty thirteen. During the evidentiary hearing which Cassie's family attended,
he apologized to her family, stating that he quote never

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wanted it to happen unquote. Anna, Cassie's mother, said that
the hearing shattered any closure they had since the death
of her daughter. It's just ridiculous. The parents need to
get over their denial, realize that Adam Check did it
and he's going to spend the rest of his life
in jail, and he should. Anna said, they still have
their son. I have to visit my daughter in the cemetery.

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I didn't get to see her graduate, or get married,
or have babies. My heart a gross twist. She said
that she hasn't had any contact from Adam Chick's parents
since the original trial, but did receive a call from
The Doctor Phil Show about appearing on an episode with Shannon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Adamcheck, who is Tory's mother.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Unsurprisingly, she turned down the offer would have.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
To Shannon Adamcheck had been a busy woman. She released
a book in January of twenty thirteen titled The Guilty Innocent.
It's a little telling that she releases a book and
tries to appear on Doctor Phil with Cassie's mother in
the same year, and that's a really gross way to
gain publicity, because that's exactly what that was, for a
very self serving book. I'm sure that Cassie's family was very,

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very disturbed and put off by this sort of behavior
from her killer's mother.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Again, I like to play devil's advocate. I mean, being
the mom of Brian or Tory's that's also a special
kind of hell to have to live with knowing that
the love that you feel for your child is completely unconditional.
But there's also a point to where whenever you should
be able to separate when they've done something as heinous,

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and with the videos and all of the evidence, there's
no denying that they were in fact responsible for her murder,
so they can't make.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
There's no denial or reasoning for what happened. And I
understand as the parent of the person who committed the
crime wanting to reach out in some way or apologize
to the victim. But this was seven years later, seven

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years later through doctor Phil. If you really cared, if
you really really wanted to reach out and show your
remorse or sorrow on your child's behalf, wouldn't you have
done that as soon as it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Absolutely, and in a more respectful private manner, not through.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
People who work at doctor Phil.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Doctor who's not even a doctor, quote quote Phil Scott.
So Adam Check and Draper are both still in prison
serving their life plus thirty year sentences. It's really sad
that they were only sixteen when they made this decision
to kill a classmate, a friend, effectively ending their lives
as well, because this is this is it for them,

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like this is there's no going back, there's no going forward.
This is what their life will be. And you know,
I do understand the argument that they were minors. There
are circumstances where being tried and sentenced as an adult
is necessary, and this is one hundred percent one of
those circumstances. As we had mentioned, because of the videos,

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because of the lenk, the evidence that was found, but
the pre meditation, planning, the talking, everything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Fatless, the fact that they had tried this multiple times before.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
There's no other way that they can play this off
or pin it on anything else that is not one
hundred percent responsible their sole decision. They consciously made this
decision to end this poor girl's life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, and that's it. There's no arguing it, there's no
way around it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
So Devil's advocate again. We've discussed in our conversations about
how sixteen year olds your brain's not fully fully developed,
fully formed, So how much can your brain? How much
have you changed since you were that age, since you
were sixteen your mindset then to now can you're I mean,

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you're still the same person, But are you really the
same person?

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Oh? So much? I mean your your rational thinking and
ability to like have a thought and then go that's
not a good idea. The lack of impulse control that
a sixteen year old has versus somebody at our age
or even in your late twenties is completely different. So
it was sixteen year olds.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
These kids, granted they've been in a completely different environment
that we've been in that we've been able to grow
our minds and expand and everything. They've not been in
that same kind of environment. But that doesn't necessarily mean
that they haven't, that that's not a possibility that they have.

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So with that way of thinking, there is a possibility
that an evaluation could be done and they can be
reintegrated into society. On a personal opinion, though, yes, even
though they were sixteen, because of how serious everything was,

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I don't foresee that. That just seems like such a ingrained,
deep thing about them. I don't foresee that ever truly leaving.
So I don't know that I would be comfortable with
them walking around. And I sure as hell don't think
that Cassie's family, Well I can't speak for the family,

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but if it was my family, I don't know that
they would be comfortable having them out, just in the
off chance that something could happen again, and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
That was the horrific murder of Cassie Joe's Stoddart. Thanks
for sticking with us. I'm so glad Amber was here
to cover this with me and help me tell her story.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Thanks for having me. You're stuck with me now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I am stuck with you, and I could not be
happier about it. I'm so so glad you're here. So
I think that's everything, Unless you have anything else you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Want to think that just about covers our little corner
of chaos here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Corner of chaos. I got to write that one down.
I really hope you love this. I have to say
this is probably not that covering these things is ever fun,
but this is definitely the most enjoyable that it's been
up to this point. And I'm so glad that this
is a duo. I'm not a single.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Looking forward to where it's gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
And until next time, stay safe. Bye bye,