August 12, 2023 • 45 mins
Today I dial in from London to Byron Bay to meet with the incredible Shani Timms - the soulful entrepreneur, business owner, podcaster, graphic designer and creator of many things.
"Design" is a key theme showing up in Shani's life, in many different forms. Today we dive into her discovery of Human Design - a system that articulates our energetic makeup, unique gifts and purpose.
Shani shares her experiences bringing Human Design into her life and business as a ⅗ Emotional Projector - finding success (her alignment theme) by waiting for the right invitations (her strategy) and making decisions from a neutral place (her emotional authority).
Human Design is something I am so interested in and passionate about. It is incredibly comprehensive so I hope this conversation provides an entry point for anyone interested in learning more. Enjoy!
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My name is Anna Gritzner and my intention is to discuss, embody
and share my learnings in all things psychology, the human
mind, mental health and Wellness.
This is a platform to refresh myown knowledge and stimulate
conversation before I pick up further psychology studies.
After completing My Bachelor nine years ago, I welcome you on
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this journey of learning, unlearning and relearning
psychology and what it means to be in joy.
Welcome back to Enjoy and to today's conversation on
discovering human design with the incredible Shani Tims.
I cannot wait to introduce you to Shani.
She is the founder of Fig Mint. She's a designer, a design
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mentor, and an efficiency fanatic.
She's a three five emotional projector and she runs her own
business from Byron Bay. She's a qualified graphic
designer. Interior designer, exchef, and
she's been in the design industry for over a decade.
So you can see this theme of design has been weaving in and
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out of her life in many shapes and forms.
And today we get to sit down with Shani and learn her
insights on human design, something she is still learning
and discovering herself, but bringing into her business and
bringing into her life to find more alignment.
So without further ado, let's dive into today's conversation.
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So I met Shani through a mutual friend of ours, Don Gossie, who
I've actually just been traveling with, and I think we
were met at a time where we wereboth sort of entering this world
of leaving our fulltime jobs. You were starting to freelance
doing Keep It Simple Shiny, thisincredible catering business.
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I was doing my own PR and brand consulting, and I think that's
when we first crossed paths. Is that how you remember it?
Yes, 100%. And and I remember we were both
like very interested in the samestuff.
You know it was kind of along this kind of like mindset, lens,
personal development. So I I remember many nights with
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you just, you know, talking about all of the things.
But it's it's so good to be hereas well and I've just loved your
journey with enjoy and watching watching you unfold.
It's awesome. Thank you, my love.
Thank you, Shani. And so, yeah, that's sort of how
I first remember meeting you andhow we first connected.
But did you want to give a little bit of an introduction
about who you are, where you are, what you're up to?
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Yeah, I certainly. I always get like so thrown by
this question because I'm like who am I I'm like such a hard,
I'm like where do I start? Do I go into my childhood like
you know. But I won't, I won't today.
I'll say if your listeners so. Who am I?
My name is Shawnee Tims. I currently live in Barn Bay
with my partner Blake and I havean incredible business which I
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absolutely love. So it's called Figment and it's
a digital branding and website studio helping soloed creatives
and entrepreneurs. So I started that about two
years ago and it's it's my baby.And then I also have my Hay
Sunshine podcast as well. So, you know, chats about all
things, past lives, Soul, journey, God love, twin flames.
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All of the things, anything thatlights me up, but we get to chat
about on there, so that's kind of who am I, what I do, where I
am? Is there anything I missed?
No, I think you hit the nail on the head.
Amazing. Thank you for sharing and I've
loved following along your journey, moving from Melbourne
to Byron, starting your own podcast, your own business.
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It's been so inspiring. So I know that enjoy audience
will love discovering you and all of the incredible things you
do. Thank you.
So I have a few questions that I'd like to ask everyone that
sort of link back to previous episodes, psychological
constructs, theories that I've discussed.
So the first one I would love tounderstand is what is your birth
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order within your family? So I am the eldest in my family,
the eldest of five. We're quite a blended family.
So we've got me and my sister and then I've got two.
I never get it right. I'm like half brothers or step
brothers and then I've got and then I've got another brother as
well. So you know, we're a big blended
family, but I would say we're closer than, you know any other
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family that I know. And then the age is quite
different. So me.
I'm the eldest at 30, and then my youngest brother is 16, so
it's really good fun. Mix.
Yeah. OK, you do strike me as a bit of
an eldest child, actually. A lot.
Of the changes you might, yeah. Yeah.
It's absolutely a bit of Mumbai,I imagine.
Totally. But I'm also the biggest kid as
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well. Like, it's funny.
I love that. And what is your actually?
I know the answer to this, but for everyone else, what is your
star sign? So I'm I'm an Aquarius Sun.
I am a Capricorn Rising and it Aires Moon.
Yeah. I I just, I I I kind of like
don't understand like the moon stuff too much but but
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definitely I'm full blown. Aquarius.
Yes. Yes.
You want to. You're actually born.
What are we, One day apart, Two days apart?
You're the 28th of Jan. So I'm the 30th.
You're 29th, 30th. That's right, you're 30th.
I'm 29th. And when are you most enjoy?
I think like when I'm having epic conversations, I'm feeling
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the most in alignment. I feel true to myself and what I
believe in. And when I'm like, really on
purpose, you know, when I'm kicking goals in work, I'm
working with amazing people I love and just feeling like that
really strong connection across the board, that really, really
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resonates. It must be an Aquarius thing.
It definitely is an Aquarius thing.
Could you please describe a typical day in your life and
share a bit of an insight? Okay.
So I'm gonna describe my weekendbecause I feel like the weekends
are so much better than the weekdays.
Even though they're good, they're still not like the full
fun weekend vibes. So I would say wake up, little
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Medi. I love ceremonial cacao.
Like, I'm full on obsessed. I don't know if you've had it on
it, but it's amazing. So I do that.
I'll journal. I'll kind of like just kind of
like, I really love to Potter. I know this sounds really weird,
but like I love to just like Potter around the house and like
tend to my plants, you know, clean my room, do all that sort
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of stuff. And then I will usually go for a
beach walk. So obviously in Byron it's so
beautiful. And then I will either catch up
with a friend, I will hang out with Blake, we might go for a
swim, play some tennis with my housemates.
I love going out for like Brickyor lunch.
And then we would do either likea dinner out or we might go see
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some friends. But yeah, definitely.
I'm like nature obsessed, so I'll be somewhat in nature.
I, you know, and also hanging with friends and stuff.
So that's kind of what really lights me up on the weekend.
So beautiful. It sounds like heaven.
It's yeah, it's pretty dreamy and Byron must really support
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that lifestyle in nature. It's so good.
Yeah. It's it's like sometimes I feel
guilty not getting out enough because I'm like, Oh my God, I
can't believe I didn't see the beach today.
So it's yeah, it's it's pretty amazing when you make the effort
to get out and see Absolutely heaven.
I haven't even spoken about human design on this podcast, so
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this is really the first time I'm introducing it.
Neither of us are the experts. We're very much the students
that Shani, what is your understanding of human design?
So I have written a few notes because as you said perfectly,
we're not the experts and like today is just talking about like
our experience finding human design and how it's kind of
really helped me shape my business and the way that I show
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up. And I kind of like in human
design as just like this, this blueprint of how we're actually
meant to show up in the world. And this blueprint came when we
were born. But you know, through, you know,
years of conditioning and programming and being told what
we need to be doing or what we should be doing, we've really
stepped further and further awayfrom our authentic, true self.
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So using human design is almost like a permission slip to come
back into our authentic way of being so.
Like there's a few things. Like it's a system of self
discovery and it was actually founded by Rauhuru.
It's such a tongue twister of a name.
But I find the story of how it was founded so fascinating
because he was in Ibiza in when was it 1987 and he wasn't
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partying. I know you're probably all
thinking this, but for eight days and eight nights, he
channeled this whole system. This whole way, this whole human
design system, he did not leave his shack in Ibiza and he
channeled the whole thing. So that just blew my mind when I
heard that. And I was like, OK, this guy
must be on to something. And what he did, he really
combined. So it's like part science, part
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spirituality, but he combined astrology, the Kabbalah and
personality tests and he kind oflike molded it all into this one
system and. Yeah, for me it's really like
helps me like decondition all ofthe programming, all the way
that I've been told I need to show up and just strip it back
to like, OK, what's my actual unique essence and how I'm meant
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to show up within the world. So for me, it's like a
remembering and a rediscovering of who I truly am.
So it's it's almost like a diet in a way of like there's not one
diet that fits all. There's not one way of eating
that fits all. It's like it's there's so many
different ways that we can. Eat or fuel our body and it's so
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unique to us and like our uniquemakeup about of our body.
So it's kind of like the same inliving.
Like why are we all told that weneed to work a nine to five job?
Why are we all told we need to get married by the age of 30?
Why have we all told that? You know we need to do business
a certain way. Human design for me is just the
permission slip to strip that all back and be like, OK, how do
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I actually want to show up? What's the best of my energy?
How am I most magnetic? How do I make decisions?
And how do I actually, you know,like call things into my life.
So I I want to use a little analogy because like, I always
love metaphors and analogies. So imagine when you're born
like. We're born as a Tesla.
We're born as this car and and this my friend Cat who's a human
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design with she, she told me to think of human design like this.
So we've born as a Tesla and we've got our program, we've got
our navigation, the Tesla drivesfor us.
But as we've grown up, like mum says, you can't do it like this.
You need to actually have your hands on the steering wheel.
Dad says no, you can't drive automatic, you have to drive
manual. So.
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All through our years we've beentold you need to do this, You
should do this. Don't do this, you know, do it
like this. So by the age of like, I'm just
using an example 20, we are literally controlling this
automatic vehicle, this vehicle that actually is meant to drive
itself until we realize, hold ona minute, I'm burnt out.
I feel broken. I feel like something's wrong
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with me. What the Frick is going on?
Then we start to realize something is actually not right.
Maybe I'm not meant to hold the wheel.
Maybe I'm not meant to use the manual gearbox and I meant to
let this thing drive itself. So yeah, the whole human design
system is kind of like letting your car drive the way it's
meant to drive, with the fuel that it wants to, you know, with
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the music that it wants to like just letting your car be the
most authentic vehicle that it needs to be.
And there's a reflection of you.Wow, that was so beautifully
described, you didn't even need notes, that you sound like a
complete expert. And I really love the metaphors
that you use. And it really resonates all of
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those aspects you were speaking about in terms of our
conditioning. And we're all brought up to
think that there's one way to live.
And when you discover that there's not, you can really
navigate your own path. And just go, go all in, like,
like, you know, why? Why do we have to follow in the
path of like our best friend or,you know, our parents or, you
know, our siblings? It's like life is so diverse.
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Like, why can't we have a diverse life and why can't we
have a diverse way of, you know,showing up in the world?
And something I didn't touch on Anna was like the the energy
types. Do you want me to go into that
just for your listeners to kind of break that down?
Yes, yes, let's do it. OK, cool.
So, um, so if we think of the population is like a big pie
chart, we've got five different energy types making up the
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population. So I'll go from like the most,
um, I don't wanna say the most popular, but it's like the
biggest piece of the pie chart. And then we'll work down to like
the the most niche. So we've got manifesting
generators which make up 3030. And these are like obviously
rough numbers. You know, there's people being
born every day. They're rough numbers.
But so manifesting generators make up 37% of the population
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and then we have got the gener. So and the man gens are like the
people who are multi passionate.So they are like the people who
are multitasking, doing a million things have got you know
abundance of energy and then we've got the generators which
are 31% of the population. So the generators are the
workhorse, they're the life force energy.
They're the ones that like wake up every day and have got like a
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fire in their belly for the day.Then we have the projectors,
which is what I am, and that's 22% of the population.
So we are not meant to be in thethick of the work.
We can definitely do work and we're super efficient at work,
but we're more the seers, we're the bird's eye vision, we're the
guides, and then you've got the manifestos.
So this is what our bestie Dom is.
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So these guys are like, if you think like the Elon Musk of the
world, like they're the visionaries they're creating
like the, the direction and they're like come on board,
let's go. And then that's that's how
they're the movement makers. I think that's like the best way
of putting it. And then you have the reflectors
and I am like so fascinated by reflectors because these guys,
1% of the population like wild. And so the these guys are like
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shapeshifters, so whatever environment they're in, they're
going to reflect back that environment.
So if you imagine a reflector who's, you know, stuck in the
party scene, you know, back in Melbourne, they're going to be
living a very different life, stuck in that party scene, then
if they lived in Byron and they were like in the wholesome
spiritual community. So they're very.
Because they have no defined centers.
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So they are so open to all the external factors impacting the
way they're showing up. So that's why they've got to be
really discerning with who they're around, what they're
absorbing and like their community.
So that's kind of a breakdown ofthe five energy types.
But yeah, it just, it's mind blowing and it's so accurate, I
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know so well said. And the types are, I guess, just
really the entry point into human design.
And then once you know your type, you obviously have your
authority, your profile, your strategy, all of the little
streams that you can follow down.
But I think it's a really good and important place to start.
And I too am just so fascinated by reflectors.
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I think there's maybe around 7 channel or seven centers and
reflectors have all of those centers open and I would find
that so difficult because I've got two centers open and that's
where I feel the most, not the most.
Suede. But just, yeah, the most suede.
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, imagine if that was the entire
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makeup. So I think you're right.
It is so important to consider environment, who you're around,
what you're around. It's 100%.
And also like the beauty of having the open centers is that
we are actually open to other ideas.
So sometimes when we're defined we can be like, OK like this is
this is the way of doing things.But if you know I'm just trying
to think I've got three open andthat and I and I can feel it
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sometimes I'm like. I've got an open, open crown and
I can definitely sense other people's energy and ideas.
And sometimes I have to be really discerning a lot of the
time on what's mine and what's other people's.
And honestly, like, I'll have times like with Blake and he
will be thinking something and I'll be like, I'm getting that
thought at the same it's like weird telepathy.
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And it's so weird. Like I'll ask him a question.
He's like, I was literally thinking of that.
I'm like. This is not.
This is beyond weird. Yeah.
Wow. And do you get that with
everyone? Or is that the partnership thing
with Blake? Or do you think that's a open
center in your mind? Or is it a bit of a combination
of both, like you can tune into him more easily than others?
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I'm reading your minds right now, Anna.
I'm like, oh gosh. Oh shit.
No, no, Anna has left the call. And it was left the building.
Sorry. I would say that it's more with
people who I'm really familiar with.
So like with my sister we would have it all the time.
With Blake. You know, I I it's the people
that I'm most connected with. And I I remember Jenna Zoe who's
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like one of like the late chicksand yeah she's amazing.
She was saying there's somethingaround like if someone has a
defined, defined crown, then they sorry and someone has
undefined. Then it's like you have that
telepathy. Oh my God.
I can't. Yeah.
Connection more. Yeah, I see.
Oh, wow, That's super interesting.
So how did you discover human design and what were your
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initial thoughts on it? So it's kind of a funny story
about how I discovered human design.
So I'm pretty sure it was in like COVID 2020 times, so had
plenty of time to go down the rabbit hole.
And I remember like, Dom sent mea podcast and it was like about
human design and I'm pretty sureit was with Jenna Zoe.
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And anyway, so I listened to it and then I did the test online
and I was like. Like obviously something's
wrong. Like I'm not a manifesto.
I need to do the test again because I thought it was more
like a personality test vibe thing.
So and Tom was like, I'm a manifesto and I'm like, well, I
like, I'm good at manifesting too.
I need to be a manifesto. So I was like, I was like my
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birth time must be wrong and I'mlike change my birth time.
I'm like, Nope, still a projector.
So anyway, the more that was obviously my surface level entry
into human design and the more that I actually sat with being a
projector, I was like, holy shit, this is so me.
I don't think I'd ever felt so seen or understood by a system,
which is why I just immediately like went all in on it.
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So I was like listening to all the podcast, I was doing all the
things online, Lacey Phillips, like who does obviously the
manifestation course with two big Magnetic.
So she talked about human designa lot.
So it was very much in my world.And for me, it gave me like the
biggest permission slip to stop doing everything.
Like the way that I've been toldto do it and like big changes
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and if, if I'm OK to go into them were like really like my
hold on, let me figure out what what it is.
So my strategy about being invited was the biggest game
changer for me. So I had always been in the
mindset and I think when you runa business, it's like push,
push, push. Put yourself out there, do the
cold calling. You know, like hustle, hustle,
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hustle. That's not the way that I meant
to do business. The way I meant to do business
is really like people are meant to see my gifts and then invite
me into their space. So after seeing like the way
that I've been operating in fullforce mode in business in life
and all of the things that started to shift and land for me
and be like hang a minute. My best and most successful
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ventures opportunities have comewhen I've actually been invited
into the space. It might be a job, it might be a
relationship, it might be a friendship.
The most success of me has been that when I've been invited.
So I started to play into that space a little bit more, and
really just recently I've been playing into my authority, which
is emotional authority. And there's all these different,
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you know, the cycle authority and you know there's all these
amazing ways that we're meant tomake decisions, which is what
the authority is about. So recently I've been playing
with this a bit more because in my life I've been told that it's
bad to not make a decision or, you know, it's it's lazy to sit
in indecision, which is meant that I've been in this force
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mode of like any decision is better than not making decision.
Which means that I you know. And I'm I'm owning it.
I I fuck up a lot. I make mistakes because I've
been in that mode of not actually sitting with how this
feels for me, so actually tuninginto my emotional wave.
So for me, when I meant to make a decision, it's not just a gut
feeling in the moment. I might get one, but that could
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change within 24 hours. So riding the emotional wave and
being like, okay, how am I feeling at the peak of this
emotional wave? How am I feeling at the trough?
Once it levels out, I know I've got my decision.
I'm still like and part of beingemotional authority is still
never going to know 100% that you're going to have a pretty
good feeling you'll be 85% of the way that.
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So that's been a one that I've been playing with recently and I
think it's just a really good point.
To note, Anna is like this system is an experiment, not an
experiment in the way that like you know it doesn't.
It doesn't work. It's more of an experiment is in
the way of like we need to implement in our life and
experiment what works for us andwhat doesn't.
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This isn't, this isn't like one way that you need to do it.
It's like how does it work for you?
How can you start using your strategy, your, your authority,
you know, your profile to kind of like start flavoring your
life and start showing up more authentically?
So yeah, I can't even remember the question.
I kind of went on a little rampage, but I hope that landed.
No, I love it. That really landed and really
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resonated. The question was, yeah, how did
you discover it? And I think, Oh yeah, it's true.
You know, you discover one layerand then you start to sort of
test it, play with it, learn from it, and then you discover
another layer. And I find it's interesting your
sentiments around when you firstdiscovered it.
You kind of almost didn't believe it.
And you you sort of thought, oh,like a projector doesn't sound
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right. And I think that's quite common
when you stumble upon human design, you can find certain
parts of your chart, your makeupquite almost triggering.
You're like, well, why am I thatway?
Like, you know, why do I have towait for an invitation or for
me, I have to wait to respond. I'm like I want to initiate and
to do. And I also have emotional
authority, so it means I have togo through those waves and make
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a decision from a neutral place without 100% certainty.
It's like I get to like 75, but once you can accept that and
play around with it and implement it into your life, you
can find a bit more ease and flow.
And I'm I'm still very much on that learning journey as well.
Have you heard of the authority with reflectors?
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How they have to wait a 28 day moon cycle?
Yes. Yeah, Full lunar cycle.
I'm like, Oh my gosh, oh man, although.
Sometimes I I feel like I have apretty slow emotional wave like
you were saying. I think you said like 24 hours.
Is that about right for how longyou feel you need?
I think it depends on the decision.
Sometimes if it's a quick decision like whether to take on
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a client or something like that,it might be it'll be quicker.
But say if it's like a decision,say at the moment I'm sort of
tossing up. Are we are we staying in this
house? Are we going to another house?
That for me takes a lot longer. Like I I said to Blake last
night, sorry, last week, let's move.
But then this week I'm like Nora, I want to stay.
So, and it's also really nice tojust share with your loved ones
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about how you make decisions andit doesn't mean, and again I've
just what I said before, it's been so drummed into us that we
need to make a quick decision and like you know, you've got to
have that golf that gut feel that doesn't, that's actually
not true for us. So telling your loved ones like,
hey, I need a little bit more time on decisions or like can I
sit with that or can I get back to you, can I sleep on it.
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Letting them know that actually is really freeing because it
actually means that you don't need to be in that like reactive
decision making mode. Yeah, that's so well said.
And that is actually one of the strategies for, I think it's for
manifestos that they're part of their strategy in life is to
inform and to communicate what'sgoing on for them so that people
can sort of come on the journey not be shocked.
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So I think that it's important for all of the types to inform
what was your profile again, Anna?
My profile. So yeah, your numbers.
My numbers. I'm 24, So hermit, which is
apparently like one of the biggest contradictions in all of
the types, because on the one side, it's the hermit, which is
how I see myself. And that's sort of, you know,
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introverted. I like being alone.
I like to recharge. I like to create like a really
safe environment. And then the four is like very
social. All of my things come through my
network. Yeah.
So I definitely feel pushed and pulled between those two.
I oscillate a lot between like being alone, being out with
friends. So interesting.
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I feel like. I feel that I'm not even a
bloody 24. I'm like, I've had too much
social time. I've had too much alone time.
Yes, it's Yeah, yeah. I think it's full introvert
life. It's just finding that balance.
That's. True, yes.
And what's your profile, Johnny?So I'm a three, five.
So this is literally like the life experiment.
So I am meant to. I like to give this analogy
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because me and my best mate Genoa, we're both.
So here's a 24. I'm a three, five.
Blake's A35. So imagine us, you and I, Anna,
running down the street And so you you see the pothole in the
road and you like, dance around the pothole and you're like, OK,
I'm glad I missed that. Like onwards and upwards.
Let's go. I see the pothole and I fall
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into the pothole. And then I'm like, oh, I got to
build a ladder to get out of this pothole.
And then I get out of the ladder.
And then I teach people about not falling in the pothole.
Sorry. I get out of the pothole and I
teach people. So for me, my whole journey is
about going through it and then and then sort of like teaching
and and sharing my experience onit, which, you know, throughout
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my life I I always had so much shame.
Like, why am I choosing another career?
Why am I? Why can't I decide on one thing
and go with it until I found human design?
And I'm like, I'm actually not meant to just be one thing.
I'm actually not meant to. I'm I meant to chop and change.
I meant to change my mind time and time again because that's
where I learned my experience. And even when I think about my
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whole, you know, business career, Figment is my third
business. And I wouldn't change a thing
now, but, you know, when I had to close my first business, when
I sold my second business, I waslike, Oh my God, have I failed
again? Have I, you know, tried another
Ave. that hasn't been fit for me.
But now in hindsight, I'm like, no, I'm like every bit every
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career Ave. or every business has been a piece of the puzzle
that's needed to build what I'm doing now.
And I wouldn't be able to do what I do now if I didn't have
every single piece of the puzzleand every, you know, career path
and opportunity along the way. So it was kind of really really
freeing, just like learning my profile and being like, oh, I'm
actually meant to be this. I meant to you know fuck up and
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talk about it and share my experience and and others learn
from that and and it's actually I find it quite powerful in
sharing it because I get to process how I feel about those
big life events as well and moving through it.
So yeah it's been massive just embracing that profile.
Yeah. Wow.
I'll. Thank you for sharing that and
for being vulnerable about it because these are the sorts of
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thoughts that I think are quite normal in life.
Like, oh, you know, if I do it this way, does that mean I'm a
failure how you said it is so spot on.
It's like, no, that's part of your journey.
That's part of what you're here to share and it sounds like.
Sharing these experiences and these learnings is giving you
your sense of purpose now and fulfillment and enabling you to
create all of the beautiful things you create today.
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And even, like having this conversation now, it's like, you
know, I'm just, I'm just sharingmy experience of, you know,
finding human design. Like that's I I I get the most
lit up by just sharing my life lessons and, you know, having a
laugh about the shit time. Yeah.
And you know, celebrating the good times.
It's what it's all about. Absolutely.
You've spoken about your energy type, your authority, your
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profile, your strategy. What is your sign?
Your sign to know that you're onthe right path.
OK, so this is quite cool and I think it ties really nicely with
the not self theme as well. So my sign of like, um, that I'm
in alignment is success. And it doesn't always mean like
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success in, you know, business or something like that.
And it might not be financial success, but it's just like I'm
being recognized for my gifts. I'm I'm being, you know,
discovered for what I'm doing. I'm feeling in alignment, I'm
feeling in flow. I'm, I'm not burnt out.
That's success for me. So whenever that's happening, I
know that I'm in alignment and I'm like, working to my human
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design chart. On the other side of things is
the not self theme. And this is actually a really
fun one to play with. And it can be quite
uncomfortable. But so mine is bitterness.
So whenever I'm feeling bitter is when that something's not in
alignment. It might be, you know, a
client's not enlightenment or a process or a friendship or, you
know, a way that I'm showing up on social media.
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So as soon as I start to feel the bitterness, I'm like alarm
bells, like what's not in alignment, what needs to shift.
And as I said, it can be really uncomfortable because you can
actually be in this energy of like, oh fuck, what's wrong now,
you know, Oh my God, am I going to have to go through this
again? And bitterness is such a gross
energy. I find like, it's like, it's a
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real like knocking sort of -1. But having the strategies now to
to flick out of it a lot quickerand be like, OK, my bitterness
is a gift and it's actually hereto teach me like, what's not in
alignment. So then I can move into
alignment, I can move into success, I can move into being
recognized. So for anyone who's like
listening, you can actually playaround with this as well.
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So whatever you're not self theme is so it might be so I'm
pretty sure yours is. It's frustration with
frustration. Manifester is anger.
Play around with that, not self theme.
So in your journal, right out, like, what's making me angry at
the moment, What's making me frustrated?
And just like, let yourself go ham on it.
And then in the second page or second column start to be like,
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OK, what changes do I need to make in order to move from anger
into my, you know, myself thing?Like my alignment theme?
It's a really good way to just change the energy and kind of
really see, OK, that's why I'm feeling this is because
something needs to shift. Yeah.
There's there's been so many times in the past year where
I've I've been in like a real bitterness bout.
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But then there's been one pivotal change which is like
springboarded my whole energy into this next level of being.
So yeah, that's just something fun you can try at home.
Yeah. Wow.
I. Love that and I wonder if we are
all more. Triggered by our not self theme,
like you said, that bitterness is just such a yucky feeling.
And I feel that way about frustration.
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And for me, frustration as a manifesting generator.
Like, you know, I have lots of interests, lots of passions,
high energy. I like to sort of move through
things quickly, and for me frustration feels like
stagnation. When things stop moving, that is
to me just like the most suffocating feeling.
And I wonder if that's because it is.
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You may not self theme. Well, it's also the emotion that
you feel most unlike yourself, so of course it's gonna be the
most triggering. And it means that you're
something's out of alignment. So yeah, it would be the most
jarring. Exactly, yeah.
And it's like you said, it's just a sign.
Like open your eyes. Look here, How can you get back
into yourself theme, which for me is satisfaction.
Yeah. Oh nice.
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I love that's such a nice one. It is, but it's.
Very like, yeah, it's very flat.I'm like.
It's not a very elated feeling or you know, I know some of the
alignment themes are like peace,success, which I think is sort
of higher vibe emotions. But it is, yeah, it's just
satisfaction. It's just being content.
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Yeah, but it's also what you make it, make it mean for you as
well. Like the, you know, even with
success, it's like what's my version of success for you?
It's like what's your version ofsatisfaction?
So it doesn't need to mean, you know, that kind of like mundane
sort of satisfaction. It's like it could be a a lated
satisfaction. So you can kind of shift your
your, you know, sign of self theme or like you can you can
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shift it to kind of something that resonates more with you.
Yeah, I really like that. So do you know, Shani, what your
top three gifts are? I know you you introduced me to
Jenna Zoe's app, My human Design, which I absolutely love
because it just lists out your gifts.
So would you mind sharing what your top three are?
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I don't know if they're in orderbut I'm just gonna read them
from like what they are in my inmy chart.
But I would say so. My first one is there is gift 13
which is listening and collecting stories.
So I have always said which is funny because I have a podcast,
I'm a better listener that I am speaker.
I love listening and I love likeintently hearing people's
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stories and what they have to say and like asking good
questions and diving deeper in into their story.
So that's that's definitely a gift that I really love.
And then another one is sensing people's needs.
So I have you heard of like, a HSB highly sensitive person?
Yes, You would. Yes.
Yeah, I know. Not a hello snack pack for
anyone. Yes.
Not a hello snack pack for anyone that's listening.
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So I I'm a, I'm a highly sensitive person and I pick up
on other stuff. So much so that, like a tiny,
tiny thing could be off and I'llbe like, Oh my God, is Anna OK?
Like, what's what's going on? So a big thing about sensing
other people's needs and also, like, knowing what they need,
that's that's the kind of next step Or not.
Which is really hard as a projector because you've got to
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be waited. You've got to wait for the
invitation. But I'm like, I know what you
need. I'm like, just invite me in so I
can tell you. So yeah, it's a kind of it's a
kind of funny, funny one there. What other ones.
So there's like, expanding the good in others.
Tailoring your message. I have like the gift of the
salesman, which is random. But yeah, there's so many, like,
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I think I can't remember how many gifts there are each
person. But I think I've easily got like
20 or something in here, which most people do.
Yeah, wow. Oh, they all make so much sense.
And this is what I love about this app is it really helps you
to understand what those kids are.
And they always, always resonate.
I've done 10 people's charts. I've got in my people, and
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everyone who I've shown is just so resonant with what comes up
for them. I I always laugh.
I'm like, my toxic trait is asking for your human design
before your name. Because I'm like anyone I meet.
I'm like, tell me your human design and I'm like, put it in
my app and I'm like sending themvoice notes being like, OK,
well, you know this is your giftand this is what you're meant to
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do and this is how you meant to make this.
Yes, I'm the exact. Same.
I'm the exact same. It's so funny and people either
get on board or it's just not them or not them.
Right now it's quite funny 100%,you've spoken a bit about.
How you bring human design into your life, What else is there
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currently that you're learning about human design?
I think, like we said, it's verymuch a layered system and
there's always more to learn. What's the current thing that
you're trying to wrap your head around and trying to bring more
into your life? A really good question because
there's, as I said, there's so much to it.
And you know, I've been playing with human design for like 3
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years now and it's still, there's so many depth to it.
So there's there's something like, which is your unconscious
son and your conscious son and then your unconscious.
Like there's if you look into each of the gifts, they tell you
a deeper story about like what you're here to do and like your
work and everything and what I've actually been doing, and
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this is really fun. Anna is like, only because I'm
like a freak with this stuff. Each of the gifts I take it into
the gene keys. Do you know the gene keys I've
heard? Of them, but no.
Is that a separate system? That's not human design, is it?
So it's a separate system founded by Richard Rudd and it
was actually founded after humandesign, but it's it's a more
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indepth system. So if you imagine human design
is like as intricate as it is the Jean Keys is like on
steroids. So each of these gifts, so say
for example, gift 34, magnetic charisma.
Each of those gifts have a a shadow and then they've got like
a city and then a gift. I might have, I might have
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butchered that, but there's three different steps of like
how to turn it from a shadow aspect into a light aspect and
there is a whole book of shit. You're not like this big people
who are listening and it might not be able to see it, but it's
thick as fuck and it dives into each of the gifts in way more
details. So for anyone who's listening,
you can just take it like day byday and and dive into one of
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your gifts. So all you would do is you know
type in Gift 13 gene key on I think they call it Gate
actually. So Gate 13 gene key on on Google
and then it will take you through a bit of the journey
there. So it's an amazing indepth
experience and I just think it helps me dive even further into
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like what are my gifts and what am I here to do.
Also what I really love is the is the life theme.
So everyone's got a life theme. This ties into your like
conscious son and unconscious son.
Again, I might be wrong on that,but I'm pretty sure and so
through mine, mine is the right angle cross of the four ways and
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so it's to know what people needphysically and spiritually and
provide the same gift. What do you say?
Oh my God, that's really strange.
Isn't it Crazy. Well, no, no wonder we're having
podcasts and, you know, doing all this stuff.
Yeah. Wow.
So tell us more. About that.
So Oprah Winfrey actually has the same one as us.
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I share a birthday. With Oprah.
Oh, do you? There you go, it must be this.
20, Nine 30th of January so it's.
Yeah, for that, it's really like, it's like understanding
what people need on all of the levels of their being and and
actually not just understanding it, but knowing what they need
to it, heal it, move through it,you know, satiate it, whatever
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it is. But this can be something as
literal as like, food. I know it sounds really weird,
but it's like it can be like OK,nourishing people with food.
Which is so funny because my first business was a catering
business and then now obviously evolved more into like you know,
knowing what people need on a branding level and how can I
provide that knowing what peopleneed on a spiritual level, how
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can I provide that with my podcast?
So I would say for like people diving into like next level in
their human design is to start looking at like your life path
and you know your different gifts and gates and just like
having a play around without andgoing deeper because it's like
the honestly, there's people whohave been in it since its first
came out and they're still discovering parts of themselves.
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So yeah, it's incredible. It's the gift that keeps on
giving. It is right.
Oh, you've given me a big hole to dive into today.
I'm really, really excited to discover, thinking I love this.
It's amazing. Yeah, I haven't.
I haven't studied well. I haven't studied the human
design either, but I haven't. Um, like Jean Keys is so in
depth, but there's so many amazing podcasts.
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So Jenna Zoe did an interview with Richard Rudd, which is
incredible. Life of Blue also did one with
Richard Rudd, who's the founder of Jean Keys.
So yeah, I would say anyone who's dipped a toe in human
design, Dipper Toe and Jean Keysas well, because it's amazing.
And it's also was a fully channeled system as well.
So Richard Rudd channeled it over a similar, similar sort of
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like Journey, but I think it waslike it kept coming through for
like 3 years plus. Really pretty awesome.
And it's quite. Modern, then.
So he's still around to talk about it?
Yeah, Yeah, he's still. Around he's I think he did a
podcast with Jenna Zoe like either this year or last year.
Oh, very cool. Because human design.
I'm gonna butcher the name Rah or who or whatever.
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He Oh my God, I can never say it.
Yeah, because. That that's it's a much older
system, isn't it? Yeah.
So 19, 87 was when he channeled that one.
And I'm pretty sure gene keys, Ican't find the date, but when
were the gene keys created? Oh, also 1987, but I'm pretty
sure it was later. So cuz I'm so I'm Richard.
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Brad studied under raw. Oh, I see.
OK. That makes sense.
Yeah, yeah. Anyway, minor minor details
which I will be deep. Diving into today?
Yeah, amazing. Well, I think that's given us a
really nice starting point to kick off anyone's journey into
human design. So I have a few closing
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questions. What are your tips?
Shiny to being well and to well-being.
I think the more you are in alignment the less this is you
experience. So alignment in all the things
career love you know self worth like all of the facets.
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It's like, I do think it's when we're out of alignment is when
our body gets out of alignment as well.
And it can come out like. So for example, when I lived in
Melbourne, it was like my skin was breaking out and I had
horrible, you know, like bloating and just all of the
things because my body was like,this isn't my place, this isn't,
this isn't where I meant to be. And and I would say this is
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something that I'm still learning very deeply is just
rest, rest in alone time. COVID was when I discovered that
I am actually an introvert, surprise, surprise.
And then I was like, oh, I love alone time and I have more
energy when I'm alone and I can be a bit of human when I've had
alone time. So that would probably be
another tip. So beautiful.
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I love that. And I think those two come
nicely hand in hand is. When you're alone, you can
listen to your body and pick up on those signals.
Whether it's gut issues, skin issues, whatever it is for you,
100% beautiful and is there anything?
Else you'd like to add my love human design.
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Life. Yeah, I'm just thinking, well,
definitely dive into human design if you haven't.
And I think I would also like toadd like this isn't set in
concrete, you know, this isn't, this isn't a dogmatic way of
being or how you need to show up.
It's a suggestion and take it and run with it.
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And it's like anything. It's like astrology, like it's
not set in stone. We don't need to be like, oh, I
can't, I can't do that because I'm an Aquarius or I can't do
that because I'm a Leo. Take what resonates and leave
what doesn't. Like, that's the biggest thing I
can say and and same with human design.
If something doesn't resonate, it doesn't mean you'll put in a
box of never being able to you know invite yourself instead of
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wait to be invited. So I just, I really like to like
leave with that because I think sometimes, especially when we're
looking for answers, we can be quite dogmatic about the way we
take on information and like holding onto a system so tightly
because it it makes us feel goodand it makes us feel safe.
So I, I, I just really want to leave on that note of just like
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take it, run with it. If it doesn't work, that's fine,
you know, move on, try somethingelse.
I love that. Really well said.
And I think especially when you first discover it, it is
important to to ease into it slowly.
You know, I discovered it about a year and a half ago, and only
really now and over the last sixmonths have I actually started
to test it out and to. Flex into that new space.
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So good. I remember when you messaged me
being like I found my human design.
Like, you know, yes, so you, I think.
We're just voicing back and forth.
And I wanted to cuz I found it. Yes, that's.
I think it was about, yeah, mid last year and then I just was
exploring, looking at all of thecharts, the podcast.
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And then I remember I reached out to you because I wanted to
find a human design reader, which I didn't end up doing
because I found this to Jenna Zoe.
But yeah, it's something that's really fun to share with other
people and that's also a good point.
Just like if you wanna do a reading, like booking and
reading. I think Cat Santos has been on
my podcast. She's Amazing.
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And it's just that obviously there's people who are trained
in it who know a lot more than what we know.
And I just think it's a really nice way just to kind of
understand yourself a little deeper.
Exactly. And so where can.
People find you shiny social media handles.
How can we get in touch? So I've actually like, given
myself a challenge to go off my personal Instagram for six
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months. So I'm not on my personal
Instagram at the moment, but I am on my business Instagram,
which is figment, under score, FIGMYNT under score.
And I have actually signed up toTikTok today.
So if you want to follow me on TikTok, it's going to be all
this things. And yeah, just I don't know my
wacky insights. So that is Shani.
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Tim's on TikTok. Beautiful.
Well, thank. You so much for joining me today
on Enjoy Shani absolutely loved having you and I cannot wait to.
Put this out there. I know how much people are going
to love you, everything you're about.
So really appreciate your time and thank you for joining.
Thank you for inviting me on, I really appreciate it and I loved
being with you here. Thanks, Anna.
My name is Anna Gritzner and my intention is to discuss, embody
and share my learnings in all things psychology, the human
mind, mental health and Wellness.
This is a platform to refresh myown knowledge and stimulate
conversation before I pick up further psychology studies.
After completing My Bachelor nine years ago, I welcome you on
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this journey of learning, unlearning and relearning
psychology and what it means to be in joy.
Welcome back to Enjoy and to today's conversation on
discovering human design with the incredible Shani Tims.
I cannot wait to introduce you to Shani.
She is the founder of Fig Mint. She's a designer, a design
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mentor, and an efficiency fanatic.
She's a three five emotional projector and she runs her own
business from Byron Bay. She's a qualified graphic
designer. Interior designer, exchef, and
she's been in the design industry for over a decade.
So you can see this theme of design has been weaving in and
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out of her life in many shapes and forms.
And today we get to sit down with Shani and learn her
insights on human design, something she is still learning
and discovering herself, but bringing into her business and
bringing into her life to find more alignment.
So without further ado, let's dive into today's conversation.
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So I met Shani through a mutual friend of ours, Don Gossie, who
I've actually just been traveling with, and I think we
were met at a time where we wereboth sort of entering this world
of leaving our fulltime jobs. You were starting to freelance
doing Keep It Simple Shiny, thisincredible catering business.
(01:50):
I was doing my own PR and brand consulting, and I think that's
when we first crossed paths. Is that how you remember it?
Yes, 100%. And and I remember we were both
like very interested in the samestuff.
You know it was kind of along this kind of like mindset, lens,
personal development. So I I remember many nights with
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you just, you know, talking about all of the things.
But it's it's so good to be hereas well and I've just loved your
journey with enjoy and watching watching you unfold.
It's awesome. Thank you, my love.
Thank you, Shani. And so, yeah, that's sort of how
I first remember meeting you andhow we first connected.
But did you want to give a little bit of an introduction
about who you are, where you are, what you're up to?
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Yeah, I certainly. I always get like so thrown by
this question because I'm like who am I I'm like such a hard,
I'm like where do I start? Do I go into my childhood like
you know. But I won't, I won't today.
I'll say if your listeners so. Who am I?
My name is Shawnee Tims. I currently live in Barn Bay
with my partner Blake and I havean incredible business which I
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absolutely love. So it's called Figment and it's
a digital branding and website studio helping soloed creatives
and entrepreneurs. So I started that about two
years ago and it's it's my baby.And then I also have my Hay
Sunshine podcast as well. So, you know, chats about all
things, past lives, Soul, journey, God love, twin flames.
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All of the things, anything thatlights me up, but we get to chat
about on there, so that's kind of who am I, what I do, where I
am? Is there anything I missed?
No, I think you hit the nail on the head.
Amazing. Thank you for sharing and I've
loved following along your journey, moving from Melbourne
to Byron, starting your own podcast, your own business.
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It's been so inspiring. So I know that enjoy audience
will love discovering you and all of the incredible things you
do. Thank you.
So I have a few questions that I'd like to ask everyone that
sort of link back to previous episodes, psychological
constructs, theories that I've discussed.
So the first one I would love tounderstand is what is your birth
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order within your family? So I am the eldest in my family,
the eldest of five. We're quite a blended family.
So we've got me and my sister and then I've got two.
I never get it right. I'm like half brothers or step
brothers and then I've got and then I've got another brother as
well. So you know, we're a big blended
family, but I would say we're closer than, you know any other
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family that I know. And then the age is quite
different. So me.
I'm the eldest at 30, and then my youngest brother is 16, so
it's really good fun. Mix.
Yeah. OK, you do strike me as a bit of
an eldest child, actually. A lot.
Of the changes you might, yeah. Yeah.
It's absolutely a bit of Mumbai,I imagine.
Totally. But I'm also the biggest kid as
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well. Like, it's funny.
I love that. And what is your actually?
I know the answer to this, but for everyone else, what is your
star sign? So I'm I'm an Aquarius Sun.
I am a Capricorn Rising and it Aires Moon.
Yeah. I I just, I I I kind of like
don't understand like the moon stuff too much but but
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definitely I'm full blown. Aquarius.
Yes. Yes.
You want to. You're actually born.
What are we, One day apart, Two days apart?
You're the 28th of Jan. So I'm the 30th.
You're 29th, 30th. That's right, you're 30th.
I'm 29th. And when are you most enjoy?
I think like when I'm having epic conversations, I'm feeling
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the most in alignment. I feel true to myself and what I
believe in. And when I'm like, really on
purpose, you know, when I'm kicking goals in work, I'm
working with amazing people I love and just feeling like that
really strong connection across the board, that really, really
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resonates. It must be an Aquarius thing.
It definitely is an Aquarius thing.
Could you please describe a typical day in your life and
share a bit of an insight? Okay.
So I'm gonna describe my weekendbecause I feel like the weekends
are so much better than the weekdays.
Even though they're good, they're still not like the full
fun weekend vibes. So I would say wake up, little
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Medi. I love ceremonial cacao.
Like, I'm full on obsessed. I don't know if you've had it on
it, but it's amazing. So I do that.
I'll journal. I'll kind of like just kind of
like, I really love to Potter. I know this sounds really weird,
but like I love to just like Potter around the house and like
tend to my plants, you know, clean my room, do all that sort
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of stuff. And then I will usually go for a
beach walk. So obviously in Byron it's so
beautiful. And then I will either catch up
with a friend, I will hang out with Blake, we might go for a
swim, play some tennis with my housemates.
I love going out for like Brickyor lunch.
And then we would do either likea dinner out or we might go see
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some friends. But yeah, definitely.
I'm like nature obsessed, so I'll be somewhat in nature.
I, you know, and also hanging with friends and stuff.
So that's kind of what really lights me up on the weekend.
So beautiful. It sounds like heaven.
It's yeah, it's pretty dreamy and Byron must really support
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that lifestyle in nature. It's so good.
Yeah. It's it's like sometimes I feel
guilty not getting out enough because I'm like, Oh my God, I
can't believe I didn't see the beach today.
So it's yeah, it's it's pretty amazing when you make the effort
to get out and see Absolutely heaven.
I haven't even spoken about human design on this podcast, so
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this is really the first time I'm introducing it.
Neither of us are the experts. We're very much the students
that Shani, what is your understanding of human design?
So I have written a few notes because as you said perfectly,
we're not the experts and like today is just talking about like
our experience finding human design and how it's kind of
really helped me shape my business and the way that I show
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up. And I kind of like in human
design as just like this, this blueprint of how we're actually
meant to show up in the world. And this blueprint came when we
were born. But you know, through, you know,
years of conditioning and programming and being told what
we need to be doing or what we should be doing, we've really
stepped further and further awayfrom our authentic, true self.
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So using human design is almost like a permission slip to come
back into our authentic way of being so.
Like there's a few things. Like it's a system of self
discovery and it was actually founded by Rauhuru.
It's such a tongue twister of a name.
But I find the story of how it was founded so fascinating
because he was in Ibiza in when was it 1987 and he wasn't
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partying. I know you're probably all
thinking this, but for eight days and eight nights, he
channeled this whole system. This whole way, this whole human
design system, he did not leave his shack in Ibiza and he
channeled the whole thing. So that just blew my mind when I
heard that. And I was like, OK, this guy
must be on to something. And what he did, he really
combined. So it's like part science, part
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spirituality, but he combined astrology, the Kabbalah and
personality tests and he kind oflike molded it all into this one
system and. Yeah, for me it's really like
helps me like decondition all ofthe programming, all the way
that I've been told I need to show up and just strip it back
to like, OK, what's my actual unique essence and how I'm meant
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to show up within the world. So for me, it's like a
remembering and a rediscovering of who I truly am.
So it's it's almost like a diet in a way of like there's not one
diet that fits all. There's not one way of eating
that fits all. It's like it's there's so many
different ways that we can. Eat or fuel our body and it's so
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unique to us and like our uniquemakeup about of our body.
So it's kind of like the same inliving.
Like why are we all told that weneed to work a nine to five job?
Why are we all told we need to get married by the age of 30?
Why have we all told that? You know we need to do business
a certain way. Human design for me is just the
permission slip to strip that all back and be like, OK, how do
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I actually want to show up? What's the best of my energy?
How am I most magnetic? How do I make decisions?
And how do I actually, you know,like call things into my life.
So I I want to use a little analogy because like, I always
love metaphors and analogies. So imagine when you're born
like. We're born as a Tesla.
We're born as this car and and this my friend Cat who's a human
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design with she, she told me to think of human design like this.
So we've born as a Tesla and we've got our program, we've got
our navigation, the Tesla drivesfor us.
But as we've grown up, like mum says, you can't do it like this.
You need to actually have your hands on the steering wheel.
Dad says no, you can't drive automatic, you have to drive
manual. So.
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All through our years we've beentold you need to do this, You
should do this. Don't do this, you know, do it
like this. So by the age of like, I'm just
using an example 20, we are literally controlling this
automatic vehicle, this vehicle that actually is meant to drive
itself until we realize, hold ona minute, I'm burnt out.
I feel broken. I feel like something's wrong
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with me. What the Frick is going on?
Then we start to realize something is actually not right.
Maybe I'm not meant to hold the wheel.
Maybe I'm not meant to use the manual gearbox and I meant to
let this thing drive itself. So yeah, the whole human design
system is kind of like letting your car drive the way it's
meant to drive, with the fuel that it wants to, you know, with
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the music that it wants to like just letting your car be the
most authentic vehicle that it needs to be.
And there's a reflection of you.Wow, that was so beautifully
described, you didn't even need notes, that you sound like a
complete expert. And I really love the metaphors
that you use. And it really resonates all of
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those aspects you were speaking about in terms of our
conditioning. And we're all brought up to
think that there's one way to live.
And when you discover that there's not, you can really
navigate your own path. And just go, go all in, like,
like, you know, why? Why do we have to follow in the
path of like our best friend or,you know, our parents or, you
know, our siblings? It's like life is so diverse.
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Like, why can't we have a diverse life and why can't we
have a diverse way of, you know,showing up in the world?
And something I didn't touch on Anna was like the the energy
types. Do you want me to go into that
just for your listeners to kind of break that down?
Yes, yes, let's do it. OK, cool.
So, um, so if we think of the population is like a big pie
chart, we've got five different energy types making up the
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population. So I'll go from like the most,
um, I don't wanna say the most popular, but it's like the
biggest piece of the pie chart. And then we'll work down to like
the the most niche. So we've got manifesting
generators which make up 3030. And these are like obviously
rough numbers. You know, there's people being
born every day. They're rough numbers.
But so manifesting generators make up 37% of the population
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and then we have got the gener. So and the man gens are like the
people who are multi passionate.So they are like the people who
are multitasking, doing a million things have got you know
abundance of energy and then we've got the generators which
are 31% of the population. So the generators are the
workhorse, they're the life force energy.
They're the ones that like wake up every day and have got like a
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fire in their belly for the day.Then we have the projectors,
which is what I am, and that's 22% of the population.
So we are not meant to be in thethick of the work.
We can definitely do work and we're super efficient at work,
but we're more the seers, we're the bird's eye vision, we're the
guides, and then you've got the manifestos.
So this is what our bestie Dom is.
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So these guys are like, if you think like the Elon Musk of the
world, like they're the visionaries they're creating
like the, the direction and they're like come on board,
let's go. And then that's that's how
they're the movement makers. I think that's like the best way
of putting it. And then you have the reflectors
and I am like so fascinated by reflectors because these guys,
1% of the population like wild. And so the these guys are like
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shapeshifters, so whatever environment they're in, they're
going to reflect back that environment.
So if you imagine a reflector who's, you know, stuck in the
party scene, you know, back in Melbourne, they're going to be
living a very different life, stuck in that party scene, then
if they lived in Byron and they were like in the wholesome
spiritual community. So they're very.
Because they have no defined centers.
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So they are so open to all the external factors impacting the
way they're showing up. So that's why they've got to be
really discerning with who they're around, what they're
absorbing and like their community.
So that's kind of a breakdown ofthe five energy types.
But yeah, it just, it's mind blowing and it's so accurate, I
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know so well said. And the types are, I guess, just
really the entry point into human design.
And then once you know your type, you obviously have your
authority, your profile, your strategy, all of the little
streams that you can follow down.
But I think it's a really good and important place to start.
And I too am just so fascinated by reflectors.
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I think there's maybe around 7 channel or seven centers and
reflectors have all of those centers open and I would find
that so difficult because I've got two centers open and that's
where I feel the most, not the most.
Suede. But just, yeah, the most suede.
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, imagine if that was the entire
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makeup. So I think you're right.
It is so important to consider environment, who you're around,
what you're around. It's 100%.
And also like the beauty of having the open centers is that
we are actually open to other ideas.
So sometimes when we're defined we can be like, OK like this is
this is the way of doing things.But if you know I'm just trying
to think I've got three open andthat and I and I can feel it
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sometimes I'm like. I've got an open, open crown and
I can definitely sense other people's energy and ideas.
And sometimes I have to be really discerning a lot of the
time on what's mine and what's other people's.
And honestly, like, I'll have times like with Blake and he
will be thinking something and I'll be like, I'm getting that
thought at the same it's like weird telepathy.
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And it's so weird. Like I'll ask him a question.
He's like, I was literally thinking of that.
I'm like. This is not.
This is beyond weird. Yeah.
Wow. And do you get that with
everyone? Or is that the partnership thing
with Blake? Or do you think that's a open
center in your mind? Or is it a bit of a combination
of both, like you can tune into him more easily than others?
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I'm reading your minds right now, Anna.
I'm like, oh gosh. Oh shit.
No, no, Anna has left the call. And it was left the building.
Sorry. I would say that it's more with
people who I'm really familiar with.
So like with my sister we would have it all the time.
With Blake. You know, I I it's the people
that I'm most connected with. And I I remember Jenna Zoe who's
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like one of like the late chicksand yeah she's amazing.
She was saying there's somethingaround like if someone has a
defined, defined crown, then they sorry and someone has
undefined. Then it's like you have that
telepathy. Oh my God.
I can't. Yeah.
Connection more. Yeah, I see.
Oh, wow, That's super interesting.
So how did you discover human design and what were your
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initial thoughts on it? So it's kind of a funny story
about how I discovered human design.
So I'm pretty sure it was in like COVID 2020 times, so had
plenty of time to go down the rabbit hole.
And I remember like, Dom sent mea podcast and it was like about
human design and I'm pretty sureit was with Jenna Zoe.
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And anyway, so I listened to it and then I did the test online
and I was like. Like obviously something's
wrong. Like I'm not a manifesto.
I need to do the test again because I thought it was more
like a personality test vibe thing.
So and Tom was like, I'm a manifesto and I'm like, well, I
like, I'm good at manifesting too.
I need to be a manifesto. So I was like, I was like my
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birth time must be wrong and I'mlike change my birth time.
I'm like, Nope, still a projector.
So anyway, the more that was obviously my surface level entry
into human design and the more that I actually sat with being a
projector, I was like, holy shit, this is so me.
I don't think I'd ever felt so seen or understood by a system,
which is why I just immediately like went all in on it.
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So I was like listening to all the podcast, I was doing all the
things online, Lacey Phillips, like who does obviously the
manifestation course with two big Magnetic.
So she talked about human designa lot.
So it was very much in my world.And for me, it gave me like the
biggest permission slip to stop doing everything.
Like the way that I've been toldto do it and like big changes
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and if, if I'm OK to go into them were like really like my
hold on, let me figure out what what it is.
So my strategy about being invited was the biggest game
changer for me. So I had always been in the
mindset and I think when you runa business, it's like push,
push, push. Put yourself out there, do the
cold calling. You know, like hustle, hustle,
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hustle. That's not the way that I meant
to do business. The way I meant to do business
is really like people are meant to see my gifts and then invite
me into their space. So after seeing like the way
that I've been operating in fullforce mode in business in life
and all of the things that started to shift and land for me
and be like hang a minute. My best and most successful
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ventures opportunities have comewhen I've actually been invited
into the space. It might be a job, it might be a
relationship, it might be a friendship.
The most success of me has been that when I've been invited.
So I started to play into that space a little bit more, and
really just recently I've been playing into my authority, which
is emotional authority. And there's all these different,
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you know, the cycle authority and you know there's all these
amazing ways that we're meant tomake decisions, which is what
the authority is about. So recently I've been playing
with this a bit more because in my life I've been told that it's
bad to not make a decision or, you know, it's it's lazy to sit
in indecision, which is meant that I've been in this force
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mode of like any decision is better than not making decision.
Which means that I you know. And I'm I'm owning it.
I I fuck up a lot. I make mistakes because I've
been in that mode of not actually sitting with how this
feels for me, so actually tuninginto my emotional wave.
So for me, when I meant to make a decision, it's not just a gut
feeling in the moment. I might get one, but that could
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change within 24 hours. So riding the emotional wave and
being like, okay, how am I feeling at the peak of this
emotional wave? How am I feeling at the trough?
Once it levels out, I know I've got my decision.
I'm still like and part of beingemotional authority is still
never going to know 100% that you're going to have a pretty
good feeling you'll be 85% of the way that.
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So that's been a one that I've been playing with recently and I
think it's just a really good point.
To note, Anna is like this system is an experiment, not an
experiment in the way that like you know it doesn't.
It doesn't work. It's more of an experiment is in
the way of like we need to implement in our life and
experiment what works for us andwhat doesn't.
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This isn't, this isn't like one way that you need to do it.
It's like how does it work for you?
How can you start using your strategy, your, your authority,
you know, your profile to kind of like start flavoring your
life and start showing up more authentically?
So yeah, I can't even remember the question.
I kind of went on a little rampage, but I hope that landed.
No, I love it. That really landed and really
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resonated. The question was, yeah, how did
you discover it? And I think, Oh yeah, it's true.
You know, you discover one layerand then you start to sort of
test it, play with it, learn from it, and then you discover
another layer. And I find it's interesting your
sentiments around when you firstdiscovered it.
You kind of almost didn't believe it.
And you you sort of thought, oh,like a projector doesn't sound
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right. And I think that's quite common
when you stumble upon human design, you can find certain
parts of your chart, your makeupquite almost triggering.
You're like, well, why am I thatway?
Like, you know, why do I have towait for an invitation or for
me, I have to wait to respond. I'm like I want to initiate and
to do. And I also have emotional
authority, so it means I have togo through those waves and make
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a decision from a neutral place without 100% certainty.
It's like I get to like 75, but once you can accept that and
play around with it and implement it into your life, you
can find a bit more ease and flow.
And I'm I'm still very much on that learning journey as well.
Have you heard of the authority with reflectors?
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How they have to wait a 28 day moon cycle?
Yes. Yeah, Full lunar cycle.
I'm like, Oh my gosh, oh man, although.
Sometimes I I feel like I have apretty slow emotional wave like
you were saying. I think you said like 24 hours.
Is that about right for how longyou feel you need?
I think it depends on the decision.
Sometimes if it's a quick decision like whether to take on
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a client or something like that,it might be it'll be quicker.
But say if it's like a decision,say at the moment I'm sort of
tossing up. Are we are we staying in this
house? Are we going to another house?
That for me takes a lot longer. Like I I said to Blake last
night, sorry, last week, let's move.
But then this week I'm like Nora, I want to stay.
So, and it's also really nice tojust share with your loved ones
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about how you make decisions andit doesn't mean, and again I've
just what I said before, it's been so drummed into us that we
need to make a quick decision and like you know, you've got to
have that golf that gut feel that doesn't, that's actually
not true for us. So telling your loved ones like,
hey, I need a little bit more time on decisions or like can I
sit with that or can I get back to you, can I sleep on it.
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Letting them know that actually is really freeing because it
actually means that you don't need to be in that like reactive
decision making mode. Yeah, that's so well said.
And that is actually one of the strategies for, I think it's for
manifestos that they're part of their strategy in life is to
inform and to communicate what'sgoing on for them so that people
can sort of come on the journey not be shocked.
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So I think that it's important for all of the types to inform
what was your profile again, Anna?
My profile. So yeah, your numbers.
My numbers. I'm 24, So hermit, which is
apparently like one of the biggest contradictions in all of
the types, because on the one side, it's the hermit, which is
how I see myself. And that's sort of, you know,
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introverted. I like being alone.
I like to recharge. I like to create like a really
safe environment. And then the four is like very
social. All of my things come through my
network. Yeah.
So I definitely feel pushed and pulled between those two.
I oscillate a lot between like being alone, being out with
friends. So interesting.
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I feel like. I feel that I'm not even a
bloody 24. I'm like, I've had too much
social time. I've had too much alone time.
Yes, it's Yeah, yeah. I think it's full introvert
life. It's just finding that balance.
That's. True, yes.
And what's your profile, Johnny?So I'm a three, five.
So this is literally like the life experiment.
So I am meant to. I like to give this analogy
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because me and my best mate Genoa, we're both.
So here's a 24. I'm a three, five.
Blake's A35. So imagine us, you and I, Anna,
running down the street And so you you see the pothole in the
road and you like, dance around the pothole and you're like, OK,
I'm glad I missed that. Like onwards and upwards.
Let's go. I see the pothole and I fall
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into the pothole. And then I'm like, oh, I got to
build a ladder to get out of this pothole.
And then I get out of the ladder.
And then I teach people about not falling in the pothole.
Sorry. I get out of the pothole and I
teach people. So for me, my whole journey is
about going through it and then and then sort of like teaching
and and sharing my experience onit, which, you know, throughout
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my life I I always had so much shame.
Like, why am I choosing another career?
Why am I? Why can't I decide on one thing
and go with it until I found human design?
And I'm like, I'm actually not meant to just be one thing.
I'm actually not meant to. I'm I meant to chop and change.
I meant to change my mind time and time again because that's
where I learned my experience. And even when I think about my
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whole, you know, business career, Figment is my third
business. And I wouldn't change a thing
now, but, you know, when I had to close my first business, when
I sold my second business, I waslike, Oh my God, have I failed
again? Have I, you know, tried another
Ave. that hasn't been fit for me.
But now in hindsight, I'm like, no, I'm like every bit every
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career Ave. or every business has been a piece of the puzzle
that's needed to build what I'm doing now.
And I wouldn't be able to do what I do now if I didn't have
every single piece of the puzzleand every, you know, career path
and opportunity along the way. So it was kind of really really
freeing, just like learning my profile and being like, oh, I'm
actually meant to be this. I meant to you know fuck up and
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talk about it and share my experience and and others learn
from that and and it's actually I find it quite powerful in
sharing it because I get to process how I feel about those
big life events as well and moving through it.
So yeah it's been massive just embracing that profile.
Yeah. Wow.
I'll. Thank you for sharing that and
for being vulnerable about it because these are the sorts of
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thoughts that I think are quite normal in life.
Like, oh, you know, if I do it this way, does that mean I'm a
failure how you said it is so spot on.
It's like, no, that's part of your journey.
That's part of what you're here to share and it sounds like.
Sharing these experiences and these learnings is giving you
your sense of purpose now and fulfillment and enabling you to
create all of the beautiful things you create today.
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And even, like having this conversation now, it's like, you
know, I'm just, I'm just sharingmy experience of, you know,
finding human design. Like that's I I I get the most
lit up by just sharing my life lessons and, you know, having a
laugh about the shit time. Yeah.
And you know, celebrating the good times.
It's what it's all about. Absolutely.
You've spoken about your energy type, your authority, your
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profile, your strategy. What is your sign?
Your sign to know that you're onthe right path.
OK, so this is quite cool and I think it ties really nicely with
the not self theme as well. So my sign of like, um, that I'm
in alignment is success. And it doesn't always mean like
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success in, you know, business or something like that.
And it might not be financial success, but it's just like I'm
being recognized for my gifts. I'm I'm being, you know,
discovered for what I'm doing. I'm feeling in alignment, I'm
feeling in flow. I'm, I'm not burnt out.
That's success for me. So whenever that's happening, I
know that I'm in alignment and I'm like, working to my human
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design chart. On the other side of things is
the not self theme. And this is actually a really
fun one to play with. And it can be quite
uncomfortable. But so mine is bitterness.
So whenever I'm feeling bitter is when that something's not in
alignment. It might be, you know, a
client's not enlightenment or a process or a friendship or, you
know, a way that I'm showing up on social media.
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So as soon as I start to feel the bitterness, I'm like alarm
bells, like what's not in alignment, what needs to shift.
And as I said, it can be really uncomfortable because you can
actually be in this energy of like, oh fuck, what's wrong now,
you know, Oh my God, am I going to have to go through this
again? And bitterness is such a gross
energy. I find like, it's like, it's a
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real like knocking sort of -1. But having the strategies now to
to flick out of it a lot quickerand be like, OK, my bitterness
is a gift and it's actually hereto teach me like, what's not in
alignment. So then I can move into
alignment, I can move into success, I can move into being
recognized. So for anyone who's like
listening, you can actually playaround with this as well.
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So whatever you're not self theme is so it might be so I'm
pretty sure yours is. It's frustration with
frustration. Manifester is anger.
Play around with that, not self theme.
So in your journal, right out, like, what's making me angry at
the moment, What's making me frustrated?
And just like, let yourself go ham on it.
And then in the second page or second column start to be like,
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OK, what changes do I need to make in order to move from anger
into my, you know, myself thing?Like my alignment theme?
It's a really good way to just change the energy and kind of
really see, OK, that's why I'm feeling this is because
something needs to shift. Yeah.
There's there's been so many times in the past year where
I've I've been in like a real bitterness bout.
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But then there's been one pivotal change which is like
springboarded my whole energy into this next level of being.
So yeah, that's just something fun you can try at home.
Yeah. Wow.
I. Love that and I wonder if we are
all more. Triggered by our not self theme,
like you said, that bitterness is just such a yucky feeling.
And I feel that way about frustration.
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And for me, frustration as a manifesting generator.
Like, you know, I have lots of interests, lots of passions,
high energy. I like to sort of move through
things quickly, and for me frustration feels like
stagnation. When things stop moving, that is
to me just like the most suffocating feeling.
And I wonder if that's because it is.
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You may not self theme. Well, it's also the emotion that
you feel most unlike yourself, so of course it's gonna be the
most triggering. And it means that you're
something's out of alignment. So yeah, it would be the most
jarring. Exactly, yeah.
And it's like you said, it's just a sign.
Like open your eyes. Look here, How can you get back
into yourself theme, which for me is satisfaction.
Yeah. Oh nice.
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I love that's such a nice one. It is, but it's.
Very like, yeah, it's very flat.I'm like.
It's not a very elated feeling or you know, I know some of the
alignment themes are like peace,success, which I think is sort
of higher vibe emotions. But it is, yeah, it's just
satisfaction. It's just being content.
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Yeah, but it's also what you make it, make it mean for you as
well. Like the, you know, even with
success, it's like what's my version of success for you?
It's like what's your version ofsatisfaction?
So it doesn't need to mean, you know, that kind of like mundane
sort of satisfaction. It's like it could be a a lated
satisfaction. So you can kind of shift your
your, you know, sign of self theme or like you can you can
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shift it to kind of something that resonates more with you.
Yeah, I really like that. So do you know, Shani, what your
top three gifts are? I know you you introduced me to
Jenna Zoe's app, My human Design, which I absolutely love
because it just lists out your gifts.
So would you mind sharing what your top three are?
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I don't know if they're in orderbut I'm just gonna read them
from like what they are in my inmy chart.
But I would say so. My first one is there is gift 13
which is listening and collecting stories.
So I have always said which is funny because I have a podcast,
I'm a better listener that I am speaker.
I love listening and I love likeintently hearing people's
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stories and what they have to say and like asking good
questions and diving deeper in into their story.
So that's that's definitely a gift that I really love.
And then another one is sensing people's needs.
So I have you heard of like, a HSB highly sensitive person?
Yes, You would. Yes.
Yeah, I know. Not a hello snack pack for
anyone. Yes.
Not a hello snack pack for anyone that's listening.
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So I I'm a, I'm a highly sensitive person and I pick up
on other stuff. So much so that, like a tiny,
tiny thing could be off and I'llbe like, Oh my God, is Anna OK?
Like, what's what's going on? So a big thing about sensing
other people's needs and also, like, knowing what they need,
that's that's the kind of next step Or not.
Which is really hard as a projector because you've got to
(33:53):
be waited. You've got to wait for the
invitation. But I'm like, I know what you
need. I'm like, just invite me in so I
can tell you. So yeah, it's a kind of it's a
kind of funny, funny one there. What other ones.
So there's like, expanding the good in others.
Tailoring your message. I have like the gift of the
salesman, which is random. But yeah, there's so many, like,
(34:14):
I think I can't remember how many gifts there are each
person. But I think I've easily got like
20 or something in here, which most people do.
Yeah, wow. Oh, they all make so much sense.
And this is what I love about this app is it really helps you
to understand what those kids are.
And they always, always resonate.
I've done 10 people's charts. I've got in my people, and
(34:34):
everyone who I've shown is just so resonant with what comes up
for them. I I always laugh.
I'm like, my toxic trait is asking for your human design
before your name. Because I'm like anyone I meet.
I'm like, tell me your human design and I'm like, put it in
my app and I'm like sending themvoice notes being like, OK,
well, you know this is your giftand this is what you're meant to
(34:54):
do and this is how you meant to make this.
Yes, I'm the exact. Same.
I'm the exact same. It's so funny and people either
get on board or it's just not them or not them.
Right now it's quite funny 100%,you've spoken a bit about.
How you bring human design into your life, What else is there
(35:14):
currently that you're learning about human design?
I think, like we said, it's verymuch a layered system and
there's always more to learn. What's the current thing that
you're trying to wrap your head around and trying to bring more
into your life? A really good question because
there's, as I said, there's so much to it.
And you know, I've been playing with human design for like 3
(35:35):
years now and it's still, there's so many depth to it.
So there's there's something like, which is your unconscious
son and your conscious son and then your unconscious.
Like there's if you look into each of the gifts, they tell you
a deeper story about like what you're here to do and like your
work and everything and what I've actually been doing, and
(35:56):
this is really fun. Anna is like, only because I'm
like a freak with this stuff. Each of the gifts I take it into
the gene keys. Do you know the gene keys I've
heard? Of them, but no.
Is that a separate system? That's not human design, is it?
So it's a separate system founded by Richard Rudd and it
was actually founded after humandesign, but it's it's a more
(36:17):
indepth system. So if you imagine human design
is like as intricate as it is the Jean Keys is like on
steroids. So each of these gifts, so say
for example, gift 34, magnetic charisma.
Each of those gifts have a a shadow and then they've got like
a city and then a gift. I might have, I might have
(36:37):
butchered that, but there's three different steps of like
how to turn it from a shadow aspect into a light aspect and
there is a whole book of shit. You're not like this big people
who are listening and it might not be able to see it, but it's
thick as fuck and it dives into each of the gifts in way more
details. So for anyone who's listening,
you can just take it like day byday and and dive into one of
(36:59):
your gifts. So all you would do is you know
type in Gift 13 gene key on I think they call it Gate
actually. So Gate 13 gene key on on Google
and then it will take you through a bit of the journey
there. So it's an amazing indepth
experience and I just think it helps me dive even further into
(37:19):
like what are my gifts and what am I here to do.
Also what I really love is the is the life theme.
So everyone's got a life theme. This ties into your like
conscious son and unconscious son.
Again, I might be wrong on that,but I'm pretty sure and so
through mine, mine is the right angle cross of the four ways and
(37:40):
so it's to know what people needphysically and spiritually and
provide the same gift. What do you say?
Oh my God, that's really strange.
Isn't it Crazy. Well, no, no wonder we're having
podcasts and, you know, doing all this stuff.
Yeah. Wow.
So tell us more. About that.
So Oprah Winfrey actually has the same one as us.
(38:00):
I share a birthday. With Oprah.
Oh, do you? There you go, it must be this.
20, Nine 30th of January so it's.
Yeah, for that, it's really like, it's like understanding
what people need on all of the levels of their being and and
actually not just understanding it, but knowing what they need
to it, heal it, move through it,you know, satiate it, whatever
(38:22):
it is. But this can be something as
literal as like, food. I know it sounds really weird,
but it's like it can be like OK,nourishing people with food.
Which is so funny because my first business was a catering
business and then now obviously evolved more into like you know,
knowing what people need on a branding level and how can I
provide that knowing what peopleneed on a spiritual level, how
(38:44):
can I provide that with my podcast?
So I would say for like people diving into like next level in
their human design is to start looking at like your life path
and you know your different gifts and gates and just like
having a play around without andgoing deeper because it's like
the honestly, there's people whohave been in it since its first
came out and they're still discovering parts of themselves.
(39:07):
So yeah, it's incredible. It's the gift that keeps on
giving. It is right.
Oh, you've given me a big hole to dive into today.
I'm really, really excited to discover, thinking I love this.
It's amazing. Yeah, I haven't.
I haven't studied well. I haven't studied the human
design either, but I haven't. Um, like Jean Keys is so in
depth, but there's so many amazing podcasts.
(39:28):
So Jenna Zoe did an interview with Richard Rudd, which is
incredible. Life of Blue also did one with
Richard Rudd, who's the founder of Jean Keys.
So yeah, I would say anyone who's dipped a toe in human
design, Dipper Toe and Jean Keysas well, because it's amazing.
And it's also was a fully channeled system as well.
So Richard Rudd channeled it over a similar, similar sort of
(39:50):
like Journey, but I think it waslike it kept coming through for
like 3 years plus. Really pretty awesome.
And it's quite. Modern, then.
So he's still around to talk about it?
Yeah, Yeah, he's still. Around he's I think he did a
podcast with Jenna Zoe like either this year or last year.
Oh, very cool. Because human design.
I'm gonna butcher the name Rah or who or whatever.
(40:10):
He Oh my God, I can never say it.
Yeah, because. That that's it's a much older
system, isn't it? Yeah.
So 19, 87 was when he channeled that one.
And I'm pretty sure gene keys, Ican't find the date, but when
were the gene keys created? Oh, also 1987, but I'm pretty
sure it was later. So cuz I'm so I'm Richard.
(40:34):
Brad studied under raw. Oh, I see.
OK. That makes sense.
Yeah, yeah. Anyway, minor minor details
which I will be deep. Diving into today?
Yeah, amazing. Well, I think that's given us a
really nice starting point to kick off anyone's journey into
human design. So I have a few closing
(40:57):
questions. What are your tips?
Shiny to being well and to well-being.
I think the more you are in alignment the less this is you
experience. So alignment in all the things
career love you know self worth like all of the facets.
(41:19):
It's like, I do think it's when we're out of alignment is when
our body gets out of alignment as well.
And it can come out like. So for example, when I lived in
Melbourne, it was like my skin was breaking out and I had
horrible, you know, like bloating and just all of the
things because my body was like,this isn't my place, this isn't,
this isn't where I meant to be. And and I would say this is
(41:41):
something that I'm still learning very deeply is just
rest, rest in alone time. COVID was when I discovered that
I am actually an introvert, surprise, surprise.
And then I was like, oh, I love alone time and I have more
energy when I'm alone and I can be a bit of human when I've had
alone time. So that would probably be
another tip. So beautiful.
(42:02):
I love that. And I think those two come
nicely hand in hand is. When you're alone, you can
listen to your body and pick up on those signals.
Whether it's gut issues, skin issues, whatever it is for you,
100% beautiful and is there anything?
Else you'd like to add my love human design.
(42:23):
Life. Yeah, I'm just thinking, well,
definitely dive into human design if you haven't.
And I think I would also like toadd like this isn't set in
concrete, you know, this isn't, this isn't a dogmatic way of
being or how you need to show up.
It's a suggestion and take it and run with it.
(42:43):
And it's like anything. It's like astrology, like it's
not set in stone. We don't need to be like, oh, I
can't, I can't do that because I'm an Aquarius or I can't do
that because I'm a Leo. Take what resonates and leave
what doesn't. Like, that's the biggest thing I
can say and and same with human design.
If something doesn't resonate, it doesn't mean you'll put in a
box of never being able to you know invite yourself instead of
(43:04):
wait to be invited. So I just, I really like to like
leave with that because I think sometimes, especially when we're
looking for answers, we can be quite dogmatic about the way we
take on information and like holding onto a system so tightly
because it it makes us feel goodand it makes us feel safe.
So I, I, I just really want to leave on that note of just like
(43:24):
take it, run with it. If it doesn't work, that's fine,
you know, move on, try somethingelse.
I love that. Really well said.
And I think especially when you first discover it, it is
important to to ease into it slowly.
You know, I discovered it about a year and a half ago, and only
really now and over the last sixmonths have I actually started
to test it out and to. Flex into that new space.
(43:49):
So good. I remember when you messaged me
being like I found my human design.
Like, you know, yes, so you, I think.
We're just voicing back and forth.
And I wanted to cuz I found it. Yes, that's.
I think it was about, yeah, mid last year and then I just was
exploring, looking at all of thecharts, the podcast.
(44:09):
And then I remember I reached out to you because I wanted to
find a human design reader, which I didn't end up doing
because I found this to Jenna Zoe.
But yeah, it's something that's really fun to share with other
people and that's also a good point.
Just like if you wanna do a reading, like booking and
reading. I think Cat Santos has been on
my podcast. She's Amazing.
(44:30):
And it's just that obviously there's people who are trained
in it who know a lot more than what we know.
And I just think it's a really nice way just to kind of
understand yourself a little deeper.
Exactly. And so where can.
People find you shiny social media handles.
How can we get in touch? So I've actually like, given
myself a challenge to go off my personal Instagram for six
(44:53):
months. So I'm not on my personal
Instagram at the moment, but I am on my business Instagram,
which is figment, under score, FIGMYNT under score.
And I have actually signed up toTikTok today.
So if you want to follow me on TikTok, it's going to be all
this things. And yeah, just I don't know my
wacky insights. So that is Shani.
(45:15):
Tim's on TikTok. Beautiful.
Well, thank. You so much for joining me today
on Enjoy Shani absolutely loved having you and I cannot wait to.
Put this out there. I know how much people are going
to love you, everything you're about.
So really appreciate your time and thank you for joining.
Thank you for inviting me on, I really appreciate it and I loved
being with you here. Thanks, Anna.
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