A Positive Approach to Menopause and Mental Health with Istra Bauza

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hi Wellness Warriors.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Wellness Inspired
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I'm your host, sherri Davidson.
I'm a wellness coach,acupuncturist, trail runner and
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acupuncture and Wellness, andtoday we have an insightful and
essential episode lined up foryou.

(00:51):
We'll explore how menopauseimpacts our mental health and
emotional well-being.
Joining us is Istra Bauza, amental health counselor in
training, a PT2 lifestyle coach,an Ironman coach, a USMS swim
coach, ironman, triathlete,cyclist and mother.
Istra brings a wealth ofknowledge and compassion to this

(01:14):
conversation, helping us tounderstand the physiological
changes that accompany menopauseand offering practical advice
for navigating this journey.
So, whether you're experiencingmenopause, supporting a loved
one or simply curious about thistopic, this episode is filled
with valuable information andempowering insights.

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Welcome, istra.

(03:51):
Welcome back to the podcast.
This is your third time to sithere with me, so thank you for
being here.
Thank you, thank you for havingme again.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's an honor to be on your show, I love it when you
come.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I I always think we have such great conversation and
I think that this will be justanother one in the books for us,
so enjoy talking to you.
This episode is almost, well,the last episode you were here.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
we did menopause and athletes right, so we're going
to talk more general yeah, moregeneral about um average average
women uh going throughperimenopause and menopause and
some of the you know mentalhealth and wellness aspects yeah
, um, which is not talked abouta lot, yeah it's.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
I think people are starting to talk about it more,
but yeah oh my god, yes, no, ofcourse, and it's all.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
it's becoming a huge industry as well, of course.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Of course, they can make money off of it.
Yeah Well, I want to start thisepisode with a brief
understanding of what menopauseis from a Western perspective
and an Eastern perspective,because, you know, I'm a
traditional Chinese medicinepractitioner.
I do herbs and acupuncture.
I'm a traditional Chinesemedicine practitioner.
I do herbs and acupuncture.
I'm also a wellness coach.

(05:07):
First, I want to say thatmenopause is not a disease.
Menopause is a natural process,so I think that's really
important to remember.
From a Western perspective,menopause is a natural
biological process.
It marks the end of a woman'sreproductive years and it
typically occurs between theages of 45 and 55, though it can

(05:30):
happen earlier or later, and Idefinitely have seen it earlier
People in their 30s or late 30s,early 40s.
I've seen that and I think partof that might be the awareness
that's happening around it thatwe're paying attention a little
bit more to the signs andsymptoms.
Menopause is diagnosed after 12consecutive months without a

(05:53):
menstrual period, and it iscaused by a decline in the
production of hormones,particularly estrogen and
progesterone, by the ovaries.
This hormonal shift leads tovarious physical, emotional,
physical, emotional changes likehot flashes, night sweats, mood
swings and changes in sexualfunction.

(06:15):
Menopause is a significant lifetransition and can have a
profound impact on women'smental and physical health.
So now I want to talk a littlebit about the Eastern
perspective, because it's superinteresting.
So from an Eastern perspective,menopause is also recognized as
a natural women's phase of life, but it's often viewed through

(06:37):
a more holistic lens, which wewere talking about earlier
before we started recording.
But menopause is seen again as abiological event and a time of
transformation and renewal inEastern medicine and this is
very different from Westernthought it is a period when
women transition from theirreproductive years to a stage of
wisdom and greater spiritualawareness, and I think that's so

(07:00):
beautiful, yeah, it's sodifferent, yeah.
So again, in Eastern weemphasize a more integrated
approach.
We consider the physical,emotional and spiritual
dimensions of menopause, andwhat I'd like to do in this
episode is open up theconversation also to shift
women's attitude towardsmenopause, including my own,

(07:22):
because I've had my ownstruggles.
You know I'm approaching andchanges are happening, and so
I'm working on myself as well.
I think in the West we valueyouth, so we have some cultural
you know obstacles andchallenges there, but it can be
a powerful time in a woman'slife and also changing your

(07:43):
perspective on menopause.
Studies have shown that youjust have a better quality of
life.
So, Isra, you are a mentalhealth counselor, you're almost
a mental, you're almost there.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, like a baby, I'm a baby counselor, you're a
baby.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
But you're also an.
Ironman coach and, again,you're always such a great fit
for this podcast, and so pleasetell people who you are, what
you do, and we'll dive into theconversation.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Thank you.
Thank you so much, that was sointeresting.
Yes, my name is Istra Bauza.
I am a counselor in training,about to graduate, pass my NCE,
the licensure exam, just acouple of courses away from
graduation.
But I have a year and a half ofclinical experience with young

(08:33):
adult populations and adults,men and women, and I have
coached triathlon for over nineyears.
Um, mostly women and more morerecently in the last few years
I've been women, 40 and up.
So a lot of the my anecdotescome from these athletes that

(08:55):
I've coached and also some ofthe um clients, some of my
clients in the clinical practice.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
You know, just real quick, I had one person asked me
recently um and I'll let youdescribe it uh, because she
asked me how menopause affects,uh, women athletes.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yes, oh, my goodness, in so many ways.
In so many ways, I mean startlooking at.
You can start by just lookingat race by age.
You see a drastic drop betweenthe 45 to 49.
Once you hit 50 to 54 or 50 to59, depending on if it's running
or triathlon you see any hugedrop in entries, entries.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, entries to races, because people just don't
have the desire.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
People simply lose motivation.
Of course there's other things,because we're talking about
menopause, but we're alsotalking about lifestyle changes.
You're launching kids.
You know you're.
You have kids leaving the homeyou have there's some so many
talking about the holistic partof of life, the lifestyle of a
woman going through menopauseand perimenopause.

(10:00):
It's just a lot of things arealso happening externally.
The environment plays anotherrole huge role.
When it comes to continuing onwith your lifestyle changes and
how to address it.
It's hard.
It's just hard because there'sso many components.
As for athletes, some of thespecific things I see is that a

(10:24):
loss of desire for hardcompetition, for hard efforts,
starting to lose interest or,you know, also lose energy or
stamina.
You know when you're doingintervals when you're training.
When you go to races all day, oryou know, you start losing a
little bit of desire of putting.

(10:44):
Put your body through so muchhardship, um, and then, of
course, everything else thatcomes um along with that, which
is you're sleeping, less sleepyeah a lot of people our age are
sleeping less yeah so yourbody's not recovering the same
yeah and then those are factors.
They're all combined withexternal thoughts, external mood

(11:06):
, anxiety, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, I think last time we talked about and I had
never thought about this, but itmakes total sense from a TCM
perspective was the fear.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
You said you mentioned there's it's been.
Research is something likemenopausal onset anxiety, which
even people have not experiencedor have not dealt with.
Chronic anxiety are goingthrough anxiety, so the fear
creeps in when you're racing aswell yeah yeah, we've talked
about you know, uh, I used tothrow myself and probably

(11:38):
mentioned this before right inthe previous podcast, but we I
used to throw myself downmountain biking, uh, uh, went to
Arkansas, did like some seriousmountain biking out there and
now I can't throw myself fromlike a little tiny little Herman
park little you know, littlehill there it's like, oh my gosh
.
So the fear, the anxiety hasdefinitely elevated.

(12:01):
It's elevated Um.
It's something that I deal withwith my young adults, but also
with some of the female athletesthat I coach and myself, of
course.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well, we're all women , yeah.
We're all there, right, we'regoing to go through it.
We have no choice.
And your level of what youexperience.
People women experience avariety and different levels of
all the signs and symptoms.
But I have one woman who isprobably in her late 70s that I

(12:32):
treat.
She's post-menopausal and nosigns and symptoms ever.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
No night sweats, no mood swings, no hot flashes.
She has no idea what that'slike.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Wow, but that is uncommon, uncommon yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Very uncommon.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, so there's a variety of signs and symptoms
you can experience, for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, you bring a good point there.
Because of all the researchthat I've done more specifically
with mental health, anxiety anddepression in menopause, during
menopause, I see a lot ofspecific things.
It just basically almost soundslike menopause symptoms need to

(13:17):
be treated in a very specific,very unique way to each
individual.
I would be almost positive tosay that it's almost like
personality your symptoms, whatyou go through during menopause
and perimenopause is just sounique to you that you have to
pay attention to what's beingsold or what's being marketed to

(13:41):
you.
I'm at that process right now.
I'm trying several things,several things for sleep.
Um, I am considered.
I'm doing the reading research.
You know, take agency of yourhealth.
At this point, this is a reallygood time for you, for women,
to take agency of their wealth,well-being and their health.
Do your own research, becausewe're actually breaking ground

(14:04):
here.
Being in their health do yourown research, because we're
actually breaking ground here.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, these things are just being researched and
being talked about now so Iremember when I saw the first
commercial for hot flashes, Iwas like whoa, whoa yeah but you
know, talking to my mom, I meanshe just lived with it.
You know our parents.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
my mom lived with it and she was like oh no, I just
just working and it was just, itwas just there and I kept going
, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
And then now we're saying wait, you don't have to
live that way.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Right, exactly Right, and we don't want to just, you
know, suffer through it.
We want to thrive and we'redoing so many other things.
Yeah, we're athletes, we wantto continue to be active.
We're going to continue to in.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I'm just finishing a degree in my 50s.
Yeah, it's different, you knowit's a little different yeah,
well, I think, uh, the cultureis changing and, um, I know I've
seen some posts and memes whichI could remember exactly what
they said, but they were, allyou know, describing this new,
you know, elderly person.
You know, describing this new,you know, elderly person, you

(15:08):
know, you know there's a new 50,there's a new 60,.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
There's a new 70.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
And someone posted a meme the other day and it was
talking about how people aremore productive in their later
years actually, and we want tostay vital and and and we want
to be on purpose still and wewant to do things and not um,
you know, we want that wisdomand renewal at each stage of our

(15:34):
life.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Absolutely, yeah, yes , it is very important and and I
think it's an opportunity tojust stop, pause.
It's an opportunity for pauseand if you're grinding through
life, if you're on a rat wheelgoing through life, you know,
going to work, repeating thesame things, your body's going
to tell you, your body's goingto tell you stop, do the deep

(15:56):
work, right, yeah, and it's notonly biological.
Some people don't even I meanpeople have never been to
therapy.
For example, at this point is atime where, like, oh, maybe my,
for example, my own mom, I'venever been to therapy and at
this stage it was critical forher to just do a little bit of
inside work.
Did she go?
Yeah, yeah.
So I mean, it was just.

(16:17):
It's a matter of just pausingand doing an analysis of your
life and where you want to go.
It's like adolescence.
Basically it's a huge hormones.
Think about it.
Adolescence.
How hard it was.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
So perimenopause is kind of almost like that, but
more serious.
Yeah, you know we're talking alittle bit different.
Well, I want, I want to um formyself and for the listeners.
For myself and for thelisteners what is the difference
between a counselor, atherapist, and then somebody
like me who's a wellness coach,because this is a big topic in
coaching.

(16:55):
So what is the difference?
I mean, obviously, schooling isa big piece of it, but I know
where my lane is, where I canoperate, so kind of talk a
little bit about that as acounselor.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Okay.
So that's a really goodquestion and I actually you know
my friends asked me thatbecause you know people here
psychologists, psychiatrists.
We have psychiatrists which areMDs, they're doctors, they
prescribe medication and theywork with clients.
Sometimes they work, dopsychotherapy with them,
sometimes they don't, but it'sgenerally a doctor, medical

(17:30):
doctor.
Then we have psychologistswhich have a PhD and they work
with everything uh, mentalhealth related, psychoanalysis,
uh, psychotherapy.
They, um, they work onpsychological assessments, they
do research and for that youneed a PhD.
Then you have counselors, socialworkers and family therapists,

(17:56):
so LPC, msw and LFMT, but, yes,licensed family and marriage
therapists.
So the MSWs, the LPCs and thefamily therapists, all are
master's degree level clinicians, all licensed by the state, and

(18:17):
we work on specifically withcounseling.
We work with everything.
The coaches work, but as well.
But we also go into trauma.
We have a trauma informedperspective where we use some of
the theories that have beenalso drawn into coaching.
For example, you know, smartgoals, motivational interviewing

(18:41):
, which is basically asking open, open-ended questions to
clients.
But we take those tools and thetheories, like cognitive
behavioral therapy, whatever itis, that is your theory, and we
go deep and talk about corebeliefs, attachment theory,
attachment issues.
So we talk about yeah, wesprinkle things with trauma

(19:01):
inform, because I think mostpeople that I've seen have some
sort of trauma.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah yeah, that's what coaches do not do, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, and that was a big one when I decided to go
into this, uh, where I'm like,do I really want to go and work
with people's trauma?
It's like, yeah, I'll give it atry.
But yeah, I remember, uh,looking into that.
But we do have overlap ofcoaches and counselors have an
overlap of techniques yeah forexample, we use positive, I
could use positive psychologyyeah and I love it.

(19:32):
I I sprinkle it everywhere Ican in my in the interventions.
Uh, smart goals, you know, uh,the stages of change, yeah,
contemplation, pre-contemplate,all those things that coaches
that we've used in training andyou and you use in your business
, um, they're all like importantalso to be used because in the

(19:52):
end your goal.
You're setting goals yeahyou're trying to achieve, um,
you know, help them, help themthrough the process.
So it's similar.
There's other things.
If I come up with another one,yeah, I'll probably tell you but
there's a similar, there's allthe things.
If I come up with another oneyeah I'll probably tell you.
But there's a lot, there's morethings, but that's kind of like
so what?

Speaker 1 (20:09):
so why would someone choose a counselor rather than a
like a, like a like apsychologist?
I know like a psychiatristwould be if you want to
prescribe meds, but but uh uh,psychologists and a counselor,
what's the difference?

Speaker 2 (20:26):
So this is my, my perspective and I guess it's
kind of goes with.
What I've read is that you cango for, you can go to a
psychologist or a counselor andfor mental health therapy and
work with trauma and work withanything related to you know
past, present or current trauma,or just simply transitions like

(20:48):
lifestyle.
You know transitions like youknow getting retirement, moving,
divorce, menopause menopause.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Menopause is a big one, right.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
So, yeah, so you can really go to any of them.
But psychologists, like, forexample, psychologists, work's
more like a holistic approachwhere we still learn.
You know, family therapy, westill learn group therapy, we,

(21:29):
we conduct groups you know wecan work with groups.
Uh, we learn psychoeducationaluh, therapy, uh, but we, um, we
don't.
I mean, we could, but we don'tdo psychological assessments,
for example.
You know, determine whethersomeone has autism, determine
whether someone has ADHD, we candiagnose, but for those things

(21:53):
I would go to a psychologist.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
For diagnosis.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
For diagnosis.
Diagnosis can be still, I thinka social worker can diagnose, a
counselor can diagnose.
But for like more like thingsthat require medical model and
extensive psychologicalassessment, I would definitely
go to a psychologist.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, okay, no, I think that's clear.
So you are like a coach, butyou just have another layer.
On top of that is the trauma.
That you're right right.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
So the crazy, the interesting thing is like I was
a coach first and you know I'vebeen a multi, multi-sport coach
first, and then I got acertification in a pt2 lifestyle
coaching, which is pre-diabetes, pre-diabetes coaching, which
takes clients through theprocess of adhering to healthy

(22:45):
lifestyles.
Right, I've been doing that fora little while but now I
realize how much that serves mein counseling because I already
had the um, the empathy and thesort of like coaching.
You know.
You know when in coaching youhave like specific way you ask
questions, you already had thatexpertise.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
You listen, you listen, you know when in
coaching you have like specificway you ask questions.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
you already have that expertise, you listen.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
You listen Sometimes, the Western medical model not
known for that.
Unfortunately Not all, butthey're known for not listening
Right.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
And then when you go as I'm an apostle woman when you
go to a doctor, for example,that's a great point.
You don't get that back andforth that you get with a
therapist yeah, I mean counselor, coach, I believe, like there
are.
All these professions areneeded.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Because you might be in a coach and your coach might
determine that you're notimproving.
And then some underlying thingsthat you might want to work
with a counselor or apsychologist or along the way,
maybe with medication like forexample anxiety or menopause if
it's affecting your occupation,affecting your lifestyle, your

(23:53):
marriage.
Yes, maybe medication, it'slike yeah 100%.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, there's a, there's a time and a place for
for all of them.
I tend to lean more towardscoaching and counseling.
I'm hearing because I feel likethere is more of a progression
forward.
Yes exactly, Instead ofspending so much time in the
past and ruminating abouteverything, which I think

(24:18):
sometimes is great.
I'm not against it, but mypersonal thing is like let's get
in the future, Like where doyou want to go?
Like let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
I think that's why you and I get along.
I'm a very future orientedcounselor and I was going to say
, yes, if the client wants to goto the past, we go to the past.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Right, but I like the part of what I do that moves
them forward, right we can talkabout the path, but we have to
move one step forward, even ifwe do five steps back right.
So yeah, I think that's why weI like you like progress, like
mine and the like-minded yeahlike-minded, goal-oriented, yeah

(24:56):
, yeah, yeah, and there's justthis positive spin on it too um,
or you're in this more creativemode rather than this, whatever
that other place is it'sstuckness.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
It's like it's a stuckness we call it liberty,
stagnation.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah exactly so.
So there just seems to be moreopportunity in that place and
that space and creativity.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
And.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I'm just drawn to that.
And thriving that's where youthrive right?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, exactly, is that ?
Is that specific area whereyou're learning in human
development?
Is where you're learning, butyou're also scared, and is the
good type of anxiety whereyou're people say no, I don't
want to try because I'll bescared.
But that's exactly specificallywhere you learn the most, when
where you achieve the most andwhen you find the most

(25:40):
competence as well yeah um goingover that.
You, you know, fear threshold.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, so yeah, like my 100 miler.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, one of the reasons I mean because I feel
like you know a challenge is ifyou're not challenging yourself,
you're not growing.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
So for me, that's what it's like.
I just want to challenge, Ijust want to try it it's like
that show Sick Discomfort I'venever seen that there's a show
that we sometimes watch.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
It's like young adults mostly, and they go do
outrageous adventures.
They, for example, do thingslike we're going to spend 24
hours in a Japan airport, andthey try to do that without
getting caught and eating withno budget things like that, but
also throwing themselves in avolcano and things like that.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Oh God that just sounds like that just doesn't
sound smart at all.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
But it's true, it's something about being able to be
in discomfort sometimes.
Yeah, I think it's important.
It's important yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
It builds resilience and I always feel stronger.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, it's something I apply to my own life as well.
I realized that during my ownmenopause.
I put a hold on that, trying toreassess my priorities, you
know, and it goes back to someof the stuff I work with some of
the clients which is related tolooking at lifestyle.
What's going on, Are you?

(27:11):
Let's say, we were doingIronmans for many years, like
some of the clients that I'veseen, and they found themselves
in a plateau.
We're like, oh, I did an Ironmanbut I just coasted through it
and honestly, I was miserablethe whole time.
That's a moment to pause.
It's a moment to say, okay,let's put Ironman or 5Ks or

(27:31):
whatever it is, on hold.
Let's just do a reassessment ofwhat's going on.
Maybe, you're having.
Your work is not longersatisfying, and now you're.
Or maybe the athletic trainingis too much and you need to
adjust it, or maybe you need totake a break from that and look
into doing weights only it's agood time to do interventions of

(27:54):
all kinds mental, physical it'sinteresting.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
You say that you know and I don't know when we did
the last episode.
Was it a year or so ago?
Yeah, about a year or so ago,maybe, yeah about a year, about
a year ago.
I, and I might have told youthat in my running I went
through something very similarlike I thought I was done and I
think I might have told you that.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I was just yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I just wasn't the motivation.
Um, I thought maybe it wasbecause my mom had gone, had a
health scare.
I was super hyper focused onand I kind of lost my, I kind of
reached, I reshuffledpriorities um, but then when we
found out, everything was fine,I, just I.
The motivation just never cameback.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Those are the pauses, those are the.
Those are the things that youhave to, at that point, be more
self-compassionate and tell themthis is maybe a seasonal like
think.
I probably mentioned thisbecause I always hear myself
saying this to clients.
Like you know, sometimes thistransition is like seasons, so
there's things that might, butthat will change, and of course,

(28:58):
we're talking about environment, major environmental things
like elderly parents, you know,and things like that.
We're not dealing with minorstuff, we're dealing with
serious stuff.
Yeah, so a moment, for I thinkpart of that what I wanted to
talk about as well today wasabout self-compassion during
this process, because we want tocontinue our lives to be the
same or work the same way it'sbeen working.

(29:19):
But no, there's real, realmoments of just stop, listen to
yourself, just be gentle withyour inability to cope.
Be, gentle with the stressyou're feeling and not trying to
push yourself through that,just sitting with it.
And you mentioned parents andthat's a big deal.

(29:41):
I mean part of me, myperimenopause was during my
parents uh, my dad getting sick,being he's on during the
pandemic, um, and that was oneof the most stressful times, not
because they were here, becauseI was now and I go back and
think I was going through likeright and smack middle
perimenopause, which was kind ofyou can identify it now,

(30:02):
looking back on it, yeah, yes,and it's like looking back and
say, okay, that's all you know,telling what I tell my clients.
you can tell yourself I failed I.
You know, I am getting older, Ihave lost my capacity to cope.
Or you can tell yourself whatyou can tell yourself I did what
I could with what I had, withthe tools I had at that moment.

(30:22):
Yeah, yeah so that I try toapply it in this transition.
You know personally, in ourclients and we talk about how do
you do that.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
You know there's so many ways yeah yeah, yeah, I was
kind of looking back on it.
I was going through a littlebit of a of a, I don't know.
I was having a moment, I guess,because I was also kind of lost
.
You know, I was like well, whatam I gonna do if I'm not
running?
You know, um, I was like well,what am I going to do if I'm not
running?
You know, I mean, obviously Ican still run and I still have

(30:50):
my friends that I've run with.
But if I'm not racing and ifI'm not doing this and if I'm
not doing that, like what, thoseare a lot of my friends my,
it's my identity, like that'ssocial hour for me.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I know, yeah, you know um um we solve all the
world's problems.
You know running I know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
So I was going through this like, well, what am
I gonna do?
So I got a gym membership and,yeah, I started doing that, but
it wasn't as fulfilling asracing, and so you're just like,
oh my gosh, like so what am?
I.
And then all of a sudden, oneday I just it just clicked.
But I think I did, I just sat.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
It was a year a year, a whole year, a whole year.
It could take a long time.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, I just sat with it for a year and I I mean I
was going through the processand it.
You know, I was like I'm goingto do this.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Like.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I let's do it.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
And I've been.
I'm back on, I'm back on trackand I'll bet a lot of things are
you're approaching.
Different this time, like theway your, your expectations.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
My expectation.
My expectations are about I.
They're probably about the same.
You know, I've never been likea elite athlete you know, so my
goal is always just to finish.
Okay, but I did have threegoals for this race.
Okay, 24, then it was 26 to 27,because I have 30 hours, and

(32:23):
then it was 30.
Okay, so my expectation now isI've 30 hours, and then it was
30.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
So my expectation now is I've taken the other two off
the table.
I still would like to finish 27, 28, but Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
You have a multi-tier I do.
That's part of what we workwith people, like with clients.
Okay, let's look at thehierarchy of goals, because
that's part of being good toyourself.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, yeah Right, that way I can let go of the 20.
I mean, if I did 24, I would betelling everybody like nobody
people would shut up.
Sherry, I don't want to hear itanymore.
Nope, nope, yeah, but I've kindof taken that one off the table
, but it's okay.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
It's good to have range range in goals right,
especially now.
I feel like it's it gives you,it allows you to enjoy the
process.
Training, for example, likeokay, well, I missed a couple.
Like things come up, you know,parents, elderly parents and
anxiety or different things workyou know podcasts, you know

(33:30):
marketing.
I'm, you know, finishing upthis couple of classes and I
keep thinking.
I used to postpone all thatbrought me joy until I was done
with things, and I no longer dothat.
That's a big one that I try totell people.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Don't postpone, even if you're going to be late with
something.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
If you are doing something with a friend every
Friday, if you are doingpodcasts here with a friend.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
If you're, you know, don't postpone those things for
the stuff that keeps you going.
You know, like you know, workrelated, Because that every day
accumulates yeah and you reachburnout quicker especially our
age.
Now I don't know if you noticeyou have a lot less tolerance
for oh, yeah, for stuff.

(34:19):
Yeah, you know, and it becomesquicker.
You could you reach burnoutquicker?

Speaker 1 (34:24):
yeah, so interesting.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I I that something that I've done in the last
couple of years now is that I,I'm, I'm in academia, I'm doing
academics right and I, I'mreally.
I get a horrible anxiety,academic, academic anxiety.
So now, even if I have 300deadlines, I still go do my
workout.
I still go spend time.
Now I have graduation and kidsstuff.
I still spend time with them.

(34:48):
I still I never postpone any ofthat.
I don't move trips around myacademics anymore.
Now I'm doing it because it'sjust.
If I don't do that, what if Ilook back and I say oh, five
years, two years of grinding,and why look back?
There's no memories of thoseyears.
And you missed out on momentsand you missed out on moments

(35:08):
out of it yeah, it's so.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
When did you start doing that and how does it feel?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
uh, I have to say that I started doing that
halfway through my degree and Ithink a little bit after the
pandemic.
Yeah, the pandemic brought iton, of course, global, you know
major depression, anxiety inpeople and reevaluation of
priorities.
What's essential, you know myparents were here and I realized

(35:34):
, okay, I want to do this, but Idon't want to look back and say
I hated that process, and Iknow I'm not.
I don't want to put all myhappiness in this basket at the
end.
So I decided no, I'm gonna livehere now.
Even if I'm gonna be stressingout, I'm also gonna be having
good time and having time.
So that changed.
I wasn't like that in my youth.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Well, okay so now that you say that, I will say
that my running has changed.
I have different expectationsof myself running Okay, perfect,
because we stop in pet dogs,yeah, and we stop and talk to
people, like on our long runslike we don't we, we get our, we
get our time in and we get ourlong run in.

(36:19):
But we also are okay if we'renot at a certain pace.
You know, I mean obviously Ineed you know to be at a an okay
pace, but we're not, we're okaystopping yeah, and I think that
has changed, because beforeit's like, oh, I gotta keep
running, I gotta right, right,I'll stop.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I gotta get this and it's gotta be at the interval
here and yeah now it's like I'mdoing it.
My body allows me to do it.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
I just want to have, I want to enjoy it, yeah, so I
think you know, after you gaveyour example, yeah, I was like
okay, well, it's enjoying theprocess.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, yeah, right, so now I don't sign up.
That's a good point you make,and isn't it like a beautiful
way to do it, right, mm-hmm,that the last I've been cycling,
mostly I haven't done.
I did a duathlon and I did wellbut I did not enjoy that as

(37:11):
much as I enjoy cycling.
You know you're doing off.
Yeah, you're doing gravel, thegravel stuff, and I did a big
race last summer and I did onerecently.
What?
Where our podium?
I was like what I showed up youknow at our age you show up and
you do fairly okay, and thenyour podium that's awesome um
yeah, podium, I was like wow Iwas in shock thank you, um, but
what I did different, what I dodifferently, is like I enjoy
being in the country.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
And I look at cows and our club.
They do take tons of photos.
I'm trying to get better attaking videos while I'm racing.
I'm racing, but I am also awareof how beautiful the Blue
Bonnet is.
The best time to do that hereis during the spring.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
So you know Hill Country west of Houston all the
way to Austin and San Antonio,everywhere I've been Like
there's so many miles ofbeautiful roads gravel roads in
Texas, more than paved.
So doing that now excuse medoing that now.
It just allows me to dosomething I love.
I maybe pick one or two races ayear.

(38:10):
I make sure they're sagged, Imean that they have a sagged
vehicle.
Someone you know follow me soI'm not stressed out about like
whether I'm 50, 60 miles in themiddle of nowhere at 90 degree
heat or whatever.
There's always backup.
But then I train at home in mytrainer or go to do rides here
occasionally.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
So it's it's.
It's different.
It's a different kind of likeyou know racing and goal setting
, but in the end it's about youknow enjoyment, enjoyment.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, no, I agree, and I think that's one of the
reasons why I love trail runningso much is because it's just so
beautiful, you, it's just sobeautiful you get to see the
country, the nature.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
We like nature.
That's what it is.
Yeah, we want to be in nature.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yep Exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
More than we want to race for, like time and anything
else anymore.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah exactly I know.
I went to a birthday party thispast weekend and they were some
of my friends on the triathlonteam that I was on and I just
they were all getting ready torace Saturday, or was it Sunday,
I think there was a triathlon.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, the one in the, the one with the big pool,
giant pool.
Oh is that it?
It was a big one.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Oh, maybe it was a duathlon, yeah, but it was funny
because I was just talking tothem and thinking I wonder if
I'll ever do a triathlon again.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Maybe a relay?
I always say relays are fun.
Maybe a relay?
I always say relays are fun.
No, but I know what you'resaying.
Relays are fun.
Yeah, yeah, I just I didn't feelthat same excitement you know
listening to them because beforeI'd get super excited just
hearing people talk about it,right, and now it's like I don't
know if I you know and it's aquestion you repeat yourself,
like you, when you see, hear theexcitement, allow yourself to

(39:44):
have it in the exam and then goback, you know, a month from
then and ask yourself again,because that changes?

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, it does Changes , mine changed.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yes, I'm telling you, with triathlon it's like that,
like I raced again in thisduathlon and I enjoy myself, but
not as much as when I go tothese gravel.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
How long are those races?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh, they're anything from 30 miles to 150 miles.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
And they don't have support.
They're not supported.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Races a lot of them are um, yeah, a lot of them have
just someone you can call.
They give you a phone numberand somebody shows you but you
have somebody follow you.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Is that what you said ?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I try to stay with some, some people that I know I
usually I don't raise thesethings alone.
That's the other thing.
I've done differently now Ijust have a friend who I'm so
one.
It's my gravel friend who'smoving from texas, but she's
moving to a beautiful place inidaho, so I'm hoping you have to
go see her.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
They're doing some gravel race this isn't the one
where you guys have um, she'snot the italian.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yes, she's my italian friend.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Oh my gosh, I love her she do you remember on the
last podcast you were talkingabout food.
You guys would take food Likeprosciutto and Parmesan
sandwiches.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
That's what we stop.
Have a picnic, that's part ofenjoyment.
Like, I've learned to do thatwith her because she just takes
her time, she's fast but shestill stops, eats her prosciutto
and Parmesan sandwich and itwas just like, oh man, I got to
eat real food and that'sactually something that I do now
I carry real food likesandwiches and yeah, you know,

(41:12):
and it's, it's worked out wellon my, you know, my, my stomach
your stomach, those things.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to start playing around with
that yeah, things that reallysettle well with you yeah yeah,
so we can talk about nutritionas well in another podcast.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
but um, yeah, well, let's talk about um the well in
another podcast.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
But yeah, well, let's talk about the emotional
changes that you do go throughin menopause, and I know the big
one is anxiety and fear.
I think there's some depression, but what else?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well, there's depression, anxiety Anxiety is a
big one Depression, of coursethere's comorbidity, so a lot of
anxiety can lead to depressionand that's known in research.
But there's that thing that Italked about, the menopausal
onset anxiety, which is peoplethat have never dealt with
serious anxiety now are dealingwith it.

(42:02):
But there's also other things,like body image issues things
coming back.
Sometimes, things that youhaven't addressed earlier now
are coming up.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
And the body image issues.
Is that just around weight gain?
Or is it just something that'shappening in the brain that
someone's just not comfortablein their body?
Or is it more, mostly physical,like they just don't feel
comfortable in their body?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, so it's all of it.
It's all of it.
Um, I've seen, uh, for some ofthe clients that I work with and
personal experience, um,there's, there's the you know
you're out there cycling oryou're out there exercising in
Memorial Park and you're moreconscious about you're looking

(42:52):
at your, at your legs, and oh,my creepy skin or my jiggly you
know my jiggle or my butt isfalling and it's now, you know,
showing and, and then now I'mcovering myself up more because
I'm more embarrassed and um, orrunning at a different time.
So, no, you're not running witheverybody else.

(43:12):
Yeah, those, all these thingsare coming from.
Also, the fact that you're notit's.
It's that transition whereyou're not, you're not seeing,
you're having a hard timeaccepting that your body's
changing physically.
That's the one side, right I, I, that's one side right, and I'm
one of those.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yes, For sure.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
So I am too Like I try to force myself.
It's hot in Houston, yeah, andfor me to go out and run with a
sports bra by itself, it wouldbe ideal.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Right, I still, I'm conscious about it.
Still, I've never worn a sports, just a sports.
Bra yeah, the whole time I'vebeen running, even yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
And I've seen people happily younger than us and even
older uh running freely and I'malways looking wow, that's
amazing.
I wish it was so.
So anyway, yes, it's a lot ofit.
A lot of the things coming backis uh, for for me specifically,
I had body image issues when Iwas young.
But as an adult, as an agingwoman, as a menopausal aging

(44:08):
woman, it's an inability toaccept that my body does things
for me, versus what other peopleare looking or perceiving about
me.
If I go out there and I putmyself in that mindset, where I
go out there, I'm going to wearthis bra and I'm not gonna glad,
I'm not gonna make eye contactwith anybody, I'm just gonna

(44:29):
continue telling myself my bodyallows me to run in 90 degree
weather for six miles, big on,at my 53 years old.
It's like I would never have.
If you would have asked me, Iwould never believed it yeah, oh
my gosh, I'm acclimating.
So what is the minds?
What?
How can you reframe that andthis?
Is more the cognitive,behavioral, behavioral.

(44:51):
You're telling yourselfsomething that comes
automatically right yeah it sayslike yeah, oh my god, they're
looking at me, oh my god, I'm.
It's very everybody's younghere.
Everybody's young and you knowperfect fit and fit and then
look at those muscles and no Iused to be like that.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
I used to be like that.
I used to be like that.
I used to stand on that podium.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
But yeah, but then I'm reframing that when that
comes up and I go.
I say my body allows me to dothese things.
And this is insane that I'mdoing this.
I'm running, I still do myintervals.
I still sometimes meet my paces.
I'm acc this.
I'm running, I still do myintervals.
Yeah, I still sometimes meet mypaces.
Yeah, I'm acclimating, mybody's acclimating to heat at
this age.

(45:35):
You know, we havethermoregulation issues.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
So, and it's keeping me.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
So focus on the positive right, what it is doing
for you.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
What is it doing for you?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
So again, so it's again it's lowering my anxiety
it's keeping me active and alert, more focused, better bone
better bones.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
My ankles are strong yeah you know?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
yeah, it's a variety of things and it's all about
switching that thought, thethought patterns challenging the
challenging things that comefrom like yeah and and then how
much of that is cultural, like,how do we begin to change that
piece of it when we're and I'mguilty of this too we're so
focused on staying young and wevalue youth Exactly, and we

(46:19):
don't value, you know, whatcomes with being older and, and,
in fact, uh, many women that Ihave treated that are close to
their 70s, um, or in their 70s.
I've they've told me many timesthat when you reach a certain
age, you feel like you're notvaluable at all yeah, invisible,

(46:41):
invisible, you're invisibleyeah I'm like, really, and
they're like, yes, like peopledon't pay attention to you, you
don't get the same servicereally.
And they're like, yes, likepeople don't pay attention to
you, you don't get the sameservice.
Like at some point you just itswitches and that's super sad to
me yeah.
That we don't value every age,it's definitely societal.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
It's definitely.
It's a cultural thing in theWestern Western cultures.
Yeah, like that's anotheranother, another.
One of the interventions thatsometimes we do with people is
precisely that you know what?
What are you consuming, right?
You know this is happening.
You know there's ageism, youknow there's gonna be

(47:19):
discrimination, yeah, so, um,you can act, you can address it
by, first of all, looking at atwhat you're consuming.
Right, we're consuming what.
We get bombarded by fitnessstuff.
There's something you know thethe fence fits duration.
We everybody's has like 10minutes, you know, have you?
I have my feet is full withthat.

(47:40):
Everybody's young, everybodyhas a like a 10 minute thing to
lose, 10, you know 10 pounds ofwaist and all kinds of things.
But I curate it Now.
I follow people that eitherlook like me, or people that
look a little more mature, orthey're offering something that
is more functional versussomeone with a tight short

(48:03):
showing like a perfect butt,perfect glutes, even men.
I see men with perfect glutesdoing these workouts.
See men with, like, perfectglutes, you know doing these
workouts and I'm like, um, it'sgreat, but I'm saying that goes
into you internalize yeah, yeah,you're taking that in, you're
taking it in I've looked up justdoing my own research.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I've like hashtags and when I look up wellness,
it's all fitness and I'm likethat's not wellness, that's not
wellness.
I agree and I am out to changethat yeah um, I am too we should
, we're gonna change it we'regonna change it, especially for
people that are like gettingolder, you know yeah yeah, well,
I think it's important, I thinkit's critical for, like you

(48:40):
said earlier, to thrive intoyour older age, because we all
want to, you know you can still,you know, maybe that
youthfulness needs to beredefined as a vital and you can
be vital well into yourseventies and eighties.
There was just I just sawsomebody she was in her eighties
, uh, was she 80?

(49:01):
Maybe she was almost 90.
I can't remember.
I just saw it like I think, onInstagram she did a marathon.
There was a guy who just didIronman who was like 90
something.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
There's the Iron Nun that did Kona for like yeah.
So yeah, there's.
That's a great point.
There's vitality to be had inolder age.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
And that should be the goal for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Of course you can still look great.
I mean, you can still go forthe goals of looking great.
But you know it's more holistic.
It's like we're talking aboutvitality, functionality, energy.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Mindset and mindset.
I think it's huge.
I think that shows more thananything.
You know somebody who is olderwho has a vital mindset and a
growth mindset.
I think it comes across andtheir movements and their speech
and the things that they chooseto do.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, I follow.
I am now, I mean, the last fiveyears I've been following more,
like you know, people that arelike there's a big page called
Growing Bolder, I don't know ifyou follow them.
They post about bigachievements and and you know
the journey of people that arelike older and the things
they're doing.
And they post stuff like youknow the marathon runner who's
90 years old and things likethat, but not only fitness.

(50:16):
They do other things, likepeople have changed careers,
people that yeah, it could beanything, could be anything.
And um, and I started following,uh, some of the old, uh
mountain bikers.
I'm following athletes that arestill out there either out.
We're doing outreach, promotingwellness, um, promoting like a
holistic way of seeing thingsdoing, transforming their

(50:39):
athletic careers or careers ingeneral um in a very creative
way.
Um, I have plenty of.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
I have a list of places that I people that I can
send you oh, I love it, yeah,yeah, I would love that I,
because I really love your ideaof being mindful and curating
your own feed, because you haveto be these days, um.
So if you find yourself, uh,stuck in a rut or you're feeling
a certain way, I think that'sgreat advice to what are you

(51:08):
consuming.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Exactly Like you can do it with anything.
Now that we're kind of talkingabout non-athletes as well.
Like I follow a lady, I likefashion.
I like to look at fashion gottired of looking at super young.
So I follow now these olderwomen, older than us, who are
still dressing impeccably orthey're like modeling, certain,

(51:31):
you know, and looking young, butwith fashion you know like
doing these things and they lookfresh and they look they're,
you know, in their sixties, butamazing looking fashion.
So you can really you need tosend me that too, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I will, I will.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Oh my gosh, that lady .
She's, of course, an influencerfor a for expensive brands, the
older lady.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Is she the?
Does she?
Curly hair short, oh no there'sone who has super distinguished
glasses.
Um, I think she's like 80 yearsold.
She's super influencer that'smy feed.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
my feed is full of that and I'm loving it because
even the way I go out and I nolonger have to think about
wearing something that looksuseful, I can wear something
that makes me that I like.
But there's also there'selegance.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
There's other things.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
There's other things into looking good and fresh and
have vitality, and there's alsopersonality, and then you're
talking about personality.
Speaks for you, right?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
It's pretty amazing what you can do by just cutting
out on some of the junk.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Well, I love that, because I think people forget
that there are algorithms.
Oh yeah, and it's.
You know, if we look at onething, it's going to keep
suggesting that one thing to you.
So I really like that a lot.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I'm not saying getting rid of everything.
I still follow, like EDM, whichis like house music and that's
young people.
But of course, yes, you knowyou curate it.
So at least the visuals orwhatever it is.
But it's possible, right.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
No, I think that's a great tip.
I'm actually going to do that.
I'm going to start doing that.
So, yes, send me that list,because I want to start.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
I will.
I will Some really cool thingsin there.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
So what?
We talked a little bit aboutemotional changes, depression,
anxiety.
What about coping mechanisms?
What are some effective copingmechanisms for dealing with
emotional and psychologicalchanges going through this time,
besides a great counselor?

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Right, oh, my goodness, so there's.
I would always say, yeah, yeah,definitely, keep that in on the
short list.
You know, like you know thepossibility of seeing a
therapist as well, because's?
Um, it's always important,especially if you.
The way you would know if youneed a therapist generally is if
you're being, if your life isbeing affected occupationally or

(53:58):
personally, like if you'rehaving serious relationship
issues, if you're having issuesat work, if you're not able to
cope with like you normally,like your normal selves would
have, like you look at back,look back in your life and you
say I used to be able to do this, I used to be able to do that
without any issues now I'm notable to and this is very common

(54:22):
in menopause like there's a huge, like a pretty big percentage
of, uh, women leave theworkforce.
Oh, oh, really, yes, doingmenopause, and this is something
that came research from allover.
But in the UK, in the US, tothe point that there's some
groups started doing research ongetting some sort of like you

(54:45):
know, like the, you know,unemployment rights and stuff
like that, but also gettingsomething related to giving
menopaus also women time off inthe workforce, cause some people
, yeah, so I mean, it's likeit's real, it's like it's a
disability.
It could almost be qualified asa disability for some people.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, I know, some people have some pretty severe
signs and symptoms, for sure.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
So some of the coping skills there's, you know, if
you go to therapy, like if yougo to therapy and you realize
some of the things that you'regoing to be working on, at least
depending on the theoreticalapproach that a therapist you go
to.
I am a very value,strength-based kind of coach uh,
counselor, and I say coachcause the coach never leaves me.
Um, but I am, but I work withvalues.

(55:31):
So one of the first things wetalk about is priorities.
What are your values?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Do you do the VIA test?
What does it stand for, valueassessment?
I can't remember.
I think it's called VIA.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, I don't use any sort of assessment specifically
, but I do go over value setsand we talk about family values,
we talk about personal values,we talk about occupational
values.
So we look at that whole setand, since I was working with
women, a lot of it comes back torelationship right.
Relationships.
I'm having issues because myhusband is not understanding

(56:13):
this and that and this and that.
So, um, we talk about couples,like what are the values in your
relationships?
Right, and sometimes it's justyou know, um.
So we go over, yeah, we go overvalues, values, and then we
talk about strengths.
So what are your strengths?
What are the things that youfeel like you still are doing
okay?
What are the things that in thepast, you were able to get a

(56:34):
handle on?
So I like to go back and look.
I'm not a past.
You know, going into the pasttoo much unless there's serious
drama, but sometimes we go tothe past to just look to see
what worked in the past.
Yeah right, so grabbing thestuff from the past, what worked
?

Speaker 1 (56:51):
And giving past.
Yeah Right, so grabbing thestuff from the past, what worked
?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
and giving them the confidence to move forward Right
and that helps you say oh thatwas working in the past.
Yeah, I was able to do this.
Now you try it and it doesn'twork.
Then we look at something else.
But while working with values,you also work with strengths.
And then, once you establishyour strength and you looked at
what is important, what'sessential, we look at are you
setting boundaries with peoplearound you during this stage?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
right.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Like are you asking your employer for time off after
you know?
Do you have accommodations,either formal or informal,
around having hot flashes inyour office?
So we go into specifics.
Whatever it is, if it's hotflashes, if it's anxiety, if you
have depression, can you takepersonal days and can you then

(57:37):
begin negotiating.
These things are not in placewith a lot of employers.
These are things that are juststarting to come up for people.
And then another thing that Ialso work with clients is that
we talk a lot about acceptancein a nonjudgmental way.
You being accepting right, likehow do you deal with conflict

(58:02):
in your life with others aroundboundary setting?
And around setting making sureyou live by your true values,
because this is a reallyimportant stage too.
If you don't do it now, whenare you going to live by your
values right?
Right Now is the time.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Well, and now for many women, like you had
mentioned earlier, sending kidsoff to school, and you have that
time you know to think aboutthese things and to reprioritize
yourself, yeah, and what thosevalues are in living.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yes, absolutely.
So you have the time, and Iwould say like, if you're not
finding the time, try to findmaybe an intentional day of the
week or an hour here and thereto journal for example so yeah,
we talked about it in thepodcast before.
I don't know if we have, butjournaling is a big one to

(58:54):
clarify values and things likethat.
Also, going back to what I saidabout acceptance in a
nonjudgmental way, this is areally good time for approaching
everything that comes up inyour mind about yourself in a
nonjudgmental way.
Self-compassion, right, becausethis is like a time where your

(59:17):
body is going through a lot ofmajor changes and, like I
mentioned before, you justreminded me and I just mentioned
that I didn't know I was goingthrough it and now I know that
was happening back during parentall these things that were
happening during perimenopauseand I had no self-compassion, so

(59:38):
all I was doing is beatingmyself up.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Being hard on yourself.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, yeah, creating more anxiety for myself.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
And why am I such a bad person?
Because my parents were at homeand they needed things from me.
My kids needed things from me.
My kids needed things from me.
I was doing a degree Instead ofjust setting a boundary.
It's like, hey, I have to workthis day, I have stuff to do,
I'm just going to give everybodya heads up.

(01:00:05):
Things like that Boundarysetting comes quite a bit up in
conversations with women.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, well, especially if you have kids,
especially if you have kids.
Yes, I you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I have a, I'm a dog mom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
So I haven't had to set many boundaries.
My boundaries are more withmyself and with you know, some
friends, you know, like thathave come and gone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Uh, just making sure that you know those.
The boundaries with yourselfare huge.
Yeah right, what are you goingto allow yourself right to
engage like?
How many commitments are yougoing to allow yourself to put
put?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
on your agenda, which is I have.
I tend to fill my plate upright, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
And that's the compassion when you say, when
you tell yourself you know whatthis might end up being too much
and allowing yourself more timeor more flex time for yeah,
yeah, so that's that's mybiggest my biggest challenge Uh,
yeah, it's doing that and I andI could add a ton of more, a
ton more.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
And I told my coach I'm like I have a, she does my
SEO but she's also my, my coachand um, I'm like I have a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
she does my SEO, but she's also my, my coach and um.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I'm like I can't add that to my plate, but I want to
I just I came up with anotheridea and I'm like no, I can't do
any more because I still needthat time to decompress, yes,
and so I just can't get it alldone.
And then I start to stressmyself out because I want to do
this and I haven't met mydeadlines, and then I'm like but

(01:01:33):
I can't just work all the timeand you know, so it's easy to do
.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yeah, sometimes those things are approached with
clients like you approach racingor training for a race.
You set goals.
You set your goals initially,you look at your strengths and
things like that, but then youbreak those goals into small
pieces right To be able toachieve them and sometimes part

(01:02:03):
of the process is scratchingsome of those goals and living
with it.
So I mean I don't know you, butI have done a lot more
scratching in the last four orfive years that I've you know,
of all kinds, like nope, I paidthat and I didn't take that
course.
I signed up for that, didn'tfinish it Before when I was
younger I forced myself tofinish things.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Oh yeah, so now it's not, we talked about it when I
was in the Azores.
I quit because I was having mytendonitis started um hurting
pretty badly and I was at mile16 and I was supposed to do 40
and it was all stairs andclimbing and I was like you know
what I'm done let me go enjoyportugal, you know like this is.
That was enough for me yeah,it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
That's all self-compassion.
Yeah, yeah, and it's, it'sneeded.
Is it's so critical to do, tobe like that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
know.
It's interesting, though againthis goes back to culture and
other people, the externalenvironment, because in a vacuum
I'm okay, I'm completely okaywith those decisions.
In a vacuum, it's when I get infront of friends and I get this
sense of judgment or this likethey want to.
They don't not really diagnose,but they come up with their,

(01:03:12):
they project their own beliefsystem on me.
That's when I start havingissues you know, because in a
vacuum, I'm fine with mydecision.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
But it's like why can't you be fine with my
decision?

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
too, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
And so that's my struggle is when I start feeling
those judgments from otherpeople or those projections from
other people.
Yeah, Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
So that's where, like , you have to sort of learn to
identify where does the otherperson's stuff begins and where
yours end, right, right.
And then sit with that voicethat it's feeling self-judged
yeah, and we can go.
We usually go down there andthat's the part where we go into
.
Like you know, corby leads.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Like, what's happening?
What's the Corby?
What are you telling yourself?
Yeah, but these things cancontinue to be conversations you
can have with yourself.
Yeah, you know, throughjournaling, through setting
boundaries with people, settingboundaries with people, you know
, I one something, somethingthat comes up with boundaries
quite a bit.

(01:04:14):
That it's critical is thatsometimes we don't realize that
we a boundary can be set fortime.
Yeah, you can say, you can sayto someone hey, sign up for this
, let's do that.
Oh, no, we're gonna meettomorrow.
And then somebody that has anagenda for you, or someone who
has like or not, not, we're not,you know, basically is not
aligning with your.
Whatever your goals are,whatever it is, partner kids,

(01:04:37):
you can always ask for time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
When you're not sure.
And this is coming up a lot, alot in this at this stage where,
like, I'm really not sure,cause I've never done that yeah,
I've never worked in being inschool while I'm training for a
race.
I've never dropped.
I never dnf at a race like ithappened last year yeah, I never
happened.
You didn't finish the race.

(01:04:59):
That was the first time thathappened yeah, I mean you had.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
I know you had another one, but oh yeah, this
one I I quit, I like made, Imade the decision right it.
Yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
I was done.
So from all those experiencesthere's some big lessons,
there's some big learnings,right, and I always say it
always goes back to theacceptance of the fate of
whatever happened in anon-judgmental way, as in I did

(01:05:31):
everything I could with theinformation I had in that moment
, yeah, well, and it was, uh,and it was self-preservation too
because I wanted to keeprunning that's a huge one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yeah, that's I didn't want to be out, right yeah I've
thought about self-preservationso many times when.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I go on like scary stuff, like mountain biking and
stuff, and I can, like you know,I really you know we don't
really go over the same.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Is it worth it?
Is it worth it?
You know, control thecontrollables when you're racing
and doing things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
So, yeah, yeah.
So it's like about anonjudgmental way of you know,
removing some of theself-judgment, because if you
realize, if you think about it,we're always self-judging.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Always.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
It's like oh, you know, we're here, we're setting
up and you're telling yourselfthat you should have done this
or should have done that Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Well, I had this great idea and then, when I saw
you walk in, I was going to doit.
And then I saw you walking upand I was like I don't have time
.
But, but there's also adifference between being judge.
Judging yourself is having,whether it's good or bad right.

(01:06:46):
Where observation is more of amindful awareness, which I think
is important.
But you have to be able to knowthe difference between the two,
and I may be asking yourself amI saying I'm a bad person or
I'm doing something wrongbecause of this?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Or am I just making an observation like this is
something I'd like to change, orthis is something that I feel
like is a strength, or you know,like there there's a difference
, right, and in the in thecounseling in the therapy field.
They, they, say just be theobserver of whatever comes and
done.
Don't, don't uh throw ajudgment of any kind, neutral,
positive or negative.
Just observe it and then gentlybring your mind to whatever the
present moment is.
And my theoretical approach iscognitive, behavioral, but I do

(01:07:40):
talk about quite a bit aboutpositive psychology and
mindfulness, which is in DBTwhich is the present moment, at
this stage, is important that weare enjoying the journey and
the process.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Yeah, and and also having that growth mindset where
everything is a learning,you're learning and everything.
So you had mentioned earlierthat you, you know, go back to a
time when you had a strengthand you were able to do
something that you wanted toaccomplish now and using that to
build confidence to moveforward.

(01:08:14):
But if that doesn't work now,that's okay.
Yeah, it's not going to look thesame, but that's not the point.
The point is to learn from thatand try something different,
right.
And then, with that growthmindset, you start to figure
things out.
What, uh, what, will work foryou in reaching that goal?

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Yeah, exactly, it's just learning from.
Yeah, that's basically how youlaunch yourself into resilience
basically Learning from the past?
Yeah, Because we all havesuccesses.
The people say no, I've neverdone anything.
I've always been a failure, orI've always had this issue with

(01:08:52):
my body, or I've always had no,we look back and we search
enough with the client.
You always find something thatthey're competent at or that
they have strengths of some sortso we all have them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, sometimes you have to uncover
them Sometimes you have to godeep like uncover them.
But you know, and some peopledon't like going deep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
I've found too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I've been shut down a couple of times, yeah, but
that's okay, they're just notready.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
That happens in therapy and psychotherapy as
well, and you work with what youhave.
Yeah, because you can't have anagenda, you have to go with the
client's autonomous.
They decide where to go.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Yeah, that's another thing I really love about
coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
You know, is that you are empowering.
You just ask the question.
It's really up to the clientand where they want to go and
how deep they want to go, andeverybody you know is at the
right place at the right time todo the right thing Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Yeah, I think something we go back to quickly
that the part about the presentmoment is really important in
that process yeah um learning tolike.
You know you have a goal and wecan get carried away in a goal
or achievement, but then in theend you know, tied along with
the menopausal transition, howit's like.

(01:10:09):
It's all it comes down toself-compassion, but able to
enjoy that transition in theprocess right, yeah, and thrive
in your, in your later, lateryears.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
So, okay, great, well , so we've talked about.
We've talked about a lot ofstuff yeah well, I think we just
touched on some self-carestrategies and I guess my next
question, before we kind of wrapthings up here, is do you have
any advice for younger women,women who have not yet even?

(01:10:45):
They're still in?
You know their fertile yearsthinking about kids and you know
their fertile years thinkingabout kids and you know they're
not thinking about perimenopauseand menopausal signs and
symptoms or what they mightexperience.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Do you have any advice to younger women?
That's a great question.
I would, of course, keeping inmind that everyone has a unique
experience with this transitionor before the transition, and
everybody's experiences areunique, period right.
So, coming from my ownexperience, I would tell you to

(01:11:24):
basically let go of what otherpeople think and look around
your environment.
People think and look aroundyour environment and the people
closest to you and what youconsume, be it news, social
media, whatever it is and justbasically make sure those things

(01:11:46):
align with the perception youwant to have of yourself.
I like that, yeah.
So finding a sense ofempowerment through your own
journey, through where you wantto go, as in the past, when I
was younger, I was just goingthrough the motions working,
studying, dealing with parents,kids, the traditional role,
traditional roles but I wasn'treally stopped in thinking about

(01:12:11):
what is mine?
What in the what?
What in these thoughts arereally truly mine?
Where do I want to be?
Or, um, you know, just lettinggo of the perception others have
of you, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
I like that advice.
I like it.
I think I would say enjoy everystage of life.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
They all matter.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
They all matter and each time is a time to recreate
and renew and to do somethingdifferent.
If that's the case, like yousaid, you look at your values
and your strengths and yourpriorities and it's just a good
time to reset.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Right.
And yeah, don't postpone thethings that make you lose track
of time.
Don't postpone the joy,Whatever it is.
Pinpoint what that is, Look forit and then don't postpone it
because a lot of things all thehard things are happening.
Or don't wait until you're donewith hard things to do the good

(01:13:09):
things.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Yeah, a lot of people are like that.
Yeah, what do you think that is?
Why do you think we?
It's kind of like I do thatwhen I eat, I save the best for
last, and then I'm like and thenI'm full, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
I have my own personal opinion as to why that
is, but I think it's becausewe're putting, we're not
comfortable with being present,we're not comfortable with the
moment and we think joy andhappiness is ahead and it's not,
it's here, it's here, I meanespecially now in this stage you
see it, it's here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
This is it yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Enjoy every second as much as you can.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
And every stage of life.
I'm working on this one.
Yeah, it's the first time I'vehad to do some work um around
kind of stages of of life I'vealways just eased and then yeah,
right into the next, it's neverbeen an issue, but this one has
been and it's been harder forme and I think the hardest part

(01:14:10):
has been because I am an athleteand my body's changing and
that's been really hard for me,particularly hard for athletes,
absolutely, yeah, it just.
I feel strong right now, butyou know just your body's
changing and, like you said,even my skin sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
I'm like I'm a little .

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
I think I'm a little drier.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Is it a little bit drier?

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
What's that all about ?
And when you're constantlymoving and, uh, you're active,
it's hard to yeah, it's hard toprocess it.
So I have work to do around it,but I keep telling myself that
every stage matters and there'ssomething really beautiful and

(01:15:01):
empowering that can come out ofthis stage, the wisdom that's
there.
I definitely feel like I'mwiser.
In fact, there's some days I'mlike how do I?

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
know all this stuff Exactly and that that is
important, that you put it inthe forefront.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Yeah, you have wisdom , yeah, uh, so.
So I'm working on that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
But we all are we continue to work on it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
But I I like also what you said is reframing
things and it's like, oh my gosh, my body is doing this, I can
do this.
You know, I can go run, like Iwent running yesterday around 11
, 10.
Oh, actually it was around 1030and it was super hot already.
And you know I didn't have anyproblems and but you're right
Like I'm out here doing thisstuff.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
So yeah, it is, it is .
It is kind of a miracle.
You know it is, it is.
It is kind of a miracle, youknow.
It's like a little bit of a youknow, biological miracle that
we get to do this.
Yeah, my mom wasn't runningmarathons, she was exercising,
but she wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
And I also think again, it goes back to that
mindset too, right?
If you don't think you can doit, or if society has always
told you that this is notsomething that you can do
because you are older now, thenthen you're not going to do it,
right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Right, and then we take a medical advice.
It's like, okay, stop running.
Or, like you know fromnon-runners, from non-runners,
so stop altogether.
Like I went to get my physicaland that gets like you're
pre-diabetic.
Uh, prescribe exercise andnutrition.
I'm like, oh, can I exercisemore to lower pre-diabetic?
I don't know so you see, that'swhy it's so unique that you do,

(01:16:38):
you become an agent of yourhealth you, you have to be.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
I am a big advocate for that.
Uh, you know, I I love my, mygynecologist, but I did ask her
because I had put on some weightand she's like, sherry, you're,
it's normal, like you're fine,and I'm like, no, no, this is
not okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
I'm taking over.
I'm taking over now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Well, do you have any resources or recommendations,
any books, websites, resourcesyou would recommend for women
seeking more help?

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
recommendations any books, websites, resources you
would recommend for womenseeking more help?
Yes, so I have of coursesomething that.
I've mentioned here before, Ihave a great podcast as well.
It's called Feisty Menopause.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Oh, you mentioned that the last time.
I'll put that in the show notes.
Okay, Feisty.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Menopause is a great show and it does go over like
pre-menopausal perimenopausal.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
She's an athlete.
She's an athlete, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
And she used to be a professional mountain biker and
she still and she brings it'sjust not athletics, she brings
MDs, she brings experts,researchers.
She has all of it covered.
I get more information fromthat podcast and from their
articles than any other place inone location.

(01:17:53):
Okay, I thought I startedlistening Right and she talked
there's mental health, there'slike biological, there's, you
know, remedies there's they'retalking about new treatments,
hormone replacement andeverything else like how to
treat it, sleep arthritis youname it.

(01:18:13):
It's a great resource.
Also, I follow Dr Stacey Sims,which is also affiliated.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
She's here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Dr Stacey Sims is the one that wrote the book Next
Level for Menopause.
It's a great book, but she alsohas a book on how to work as a
young woman.
But she also has a book on howto work as a young woman, how to
work with your period and theway that your period goes and
everything and all the phasesand how to work with that in

(01:18:41):
terms of being active, doingtraining and things like that.
So it's like she coverseverything and I don't know if
she's in San Francisco or, likeshe's from New.
Zealandaland, I think becauseshe has a lot of research, she's
a um, she's a physiologist.
Okay, so those are two of thebig, uh, big ones and also of
course, curate your social media.
I have I follow growing boulder, which is uh for men and women.

(01:19:04):
It's just talks about likeimportant things uh related to
uh people doing big things orsmall things in.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
And you're going to send me that list.
You have a list, I will.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Yeah, I have them.
I have all that I can send itto you, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I'll put that in the show notes too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Yeah, and then I'll send you also the one about the
lady that wears all the elegant.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
I love it, you know like fashion, Please Clothes so
well, cool, Well, thank you.
Well, I think this is probablya good place to wrap things up.
We've been going for almost anhour and 30.
We start talking.
So any final thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
messages that you would like to share with the
listeners.
Just like to be, you know, verykind to yourself.
Through this process, Irealized that my worst enemy is
myself.
Yeah and uh, how like.
Don't believe everything youthink, just observe what you
think and don't.
Don't judge it, just you know,observe it and say where is this
coming from?
And then set goals, like we'vementioned.
Set goals that align with yourvalues, and you can't fail when

(01:20:15):
you say your goals a goal thatis aligned with a personal, deep
value.
It almost never fails.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Yeah, so yeah, and know that, um, there, there are
conversations happening aboutthis.
And so, if you have questions,there are conversations
happening about this, and so ifyou have questions, reach out to
somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Yeah, reach out to you know, there's all these
resources out there.
I have a page, my own website.
I do coaching.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
I'll put that in there too, but I also.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I'm going to be in private practice soon Soon, with
under a supervisor and her ownpractice, and I'm going to see
couples okay also individuals,couples and maybe some families,
okay, so I'll share that assoon as I have it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
But yeah, it's coming up and I want to work with
active people as well, so okayit's one of the populations that
I will probably work withactive people yeah like people
that are athletes, formerathletes or even amateur age
groupers like we are, and thingslike that yeah, yeah, because I
wonder how many women out thereare not active at this age,

(01:21:23):
like you said, because they justlost motivation and they just
feel like that, if you know theythey have, because I see it a
lot in here.
Yeah, um, they want to dosomething, yeah, but yeah, that
motivation isn't there.
But they're not aware of thatthat this could be yeah um

(01:21:43):
there's, it could be a solutionthey could be for them and
they're usually holistic, andthey're usually holistic they're
.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
It's a lifestyle all around you know.
Yeah, yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
So that's pretty much it.
Yeah, I like the takeaway.
So, yeah, conversation andchanging the perspective on how
we view the later stages of life, I think are key, they're very
key.
Yes, yeah, well, thank you,istra, as always.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
It's such a pleasure.
I love it.
Thank you for having me.
I love being here, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Well, I think we decided we would do it every so
often.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Yeah so whenever you accumulate some important
content, I'll come.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Well, you'll be graduated, you'll be practicing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yeah, by the time we meet, we'll be practicing and
I'll have more uh, moreimportant information to share,
so it'll be fun.
Thank you so much, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
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