Wellness by Design: The Profound Impact Technology Has on Our Spaces and Wellbeing

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello, wellness warriors, Welcome back to
another episode of the wellnessinspired podcast, a place where
you can find inspiration,motivation and empowerment in
the pursuit of a wellnesslifestyle.
I'm your host, Sherry Davidson.
I'm a wellness coach andacupuncturist in Houston Texas,
and I am deeply passionate abouthealth and wellbeing.
And, as always, I'm here withmy cohost, Finn.

(00:41):
And if you're new to thepodcast, Finn is my Terrier, Mix
Rescue Dog, trail runner andloyal companion.
He is also a therapy dog andgreeter at Element 5 Acupuncture
and Wellness.
And I have something for youtoday.
This is the inaugural episode ofWellness by Design, a segment
that explores the intersectionof design and holistic wellbeing

(01:04):
.
So join me as we delve into thelatest trends, innovations and
headlines shaping our livingspaces and impacting our health
and wellness.
With insights from designersand wellness professionals,
we'll uncover how thoughtfuldesign choices can cultivate
harmony, balance and tranquilityin our home and workplaces,
nurturing our minds, bodies andspirits.

(01:26):
So get ready to transform yourliving spaces into sanctuaries
of wellness.
This is Wellness by Design, andtoday we're discussing
technology and holistic wellness.
This topic is ever relevant inour rapidly evolving world, with
technology becomingincreasingly intertwined with
every aspects of our lives, fromhomes to workplaces.

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It is essential to examine itsprofound impact on our living
spaces and wellbeing.
Throughout this episode, we'llnavigate the myriad ways
technologies shape ourenvironments and, consequently,
our health.
There is so much to unpack here, from the convenience of smart
homes to the potential downsideof constant connectivity.

(02:09):
So two of my good friends areguests today joining me Candice
Rogers, an interior designer andwell designer, and Jackie Berry
, an interior design professorat HCC and landscape designer.
And together with my backgroundas a wellness coach,
acupuncturist and formerinterior designer, we'll bring a

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diverse array of perspectivesto the table.
So as we explore the pros andcons of technology influencing
our wellbeing, we aim to empoweryou, our listeners, with the
knowledge to make informeddecisions about integrating
technology into your livingspaces.
By shedding light on thebenefits and challenges, we hope
to inspire thoughtfulconsideration and foster a

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balanced approach to technologyand the pursuit of holistic
wellness.
So I hope you join us for thisilluminating discussion where
we'll uncover insights, sharedexperiences and perhaps even
spark solutions to enhance ourwellbeing amidst the
ever-evolving landscape oftechnology.
Welcome to Wellness by Design onthe Wellness Inspired Podcast.

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But first, before we getstarted, I have some exciting
news to share with you For thoseavid listeners who have tuned
into the podcast over the pastyear, you've likely caught wind
of the Wellness River Cruise.
Well, friends, the moment hasarrived.
Mark your calendars for April,the 20th 2025, as we set sail on
an unforgettable seven-nightcruise along the Danube River.

(03:36):
We'll traverse the picturesquelandscape of Austria, Germany,
Hungary and Slovakia.
Prepare yourselves for an arrayof active sightseeing
adventures, includinginvigorating hikes, scenic bike
rides and perhaps a few briskruns.
And if none of that works foryou, don't worry, there is
something for everybody.

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There's a pool on the deck andspa services.
But alongside these activities,if you choose to do them, we'll
indulge in the serenity of yogasessions, engage in
enlightening wellnessdiscussions on holistic wellness
and savor the flavors oflocally sourced cuisine.
The excitement is alreadybrewing.
Several enthusiasts havealready secured their spots, so

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if you're intrigued, I will putall the details in the show
notes so you can check it out.
And if you're sure thiswellness river cruise is calling
your name, please waste no timesecuring your place aboard.
River cruises tend to fill uprapidly, which is why we shifted
the dates to next year insteadof this year.
That was my fault.
I waited too late, so don'tthink about it too long.

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Seize the opportunity while youcan.
I also want to announce herethat in an upcoming episode
we'll have the pleasure ofhaving Laurie, a representative
from Ammo Waterways, and Tammy,my friend and a seasoned travel
concierge, dive into the cruiseexperience further.
So feel free to forward anyburning questions my way.

(05:04):
We're doing the interview thisSaturday.
This Saturday, I think it's the11th, so I'm hoping to have
that episode out pretty quicklyif you're interested.
Additionally, there is anupcoming in-person event.
It will be held at Total Winesin the Lower Heights of Houston
on January the 17th at 530.
There will be a French winetasting and Laurie will give a

(05:26):
short presentation about theriver cruise.
I will talk more about thewellness contribution.
I'll be doing some wellnesstalks on holistic living.
That's kind of what I'mthinking right now.
And Tammy will also be there toanswer any questions because
she will be the one that youcontact if you're interested in
securing your spot.
But we'll all be there toanswer any questions you might

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have.
So I will put the details andthe links in the show notes so
if you're out of town and can'tmake it, you can always call
Tammy with any questions.
This all has to happen quickly.
I know the cruise is a yearfrom now, but there are only 196
cabins.
I think I said 123 last time,but I think there's 196 cabins
on board and they sell outquickly.

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So if you're interested, Ihighly recommend putting down
your deposit quickly, and it'snot a lot to hold your spot.
So if you're interested, callTammy or come see us and listen
to the episode.
All right, let's dive into thefirst Wellness by Design episode
on the Wellness InspiredPodcast.
Hi Jackie, Hi Candice, Welcometo the podcast.

(06:42):
Hey, hey, how are you guys?
Good, good, how are you doing?
Well?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
good, good.
We're waiting to see what'sgoing to happen with this.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Nothing.
Did it eclipse happen if youcan't see it?
Oh, that's true.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I don't know Right, that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's like if a tree falls in the forest and you did.
Does it make a sound?
Yeah, it make a sound.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, interesting.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Very interesting.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
I know a lot of people paid.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
A lot of people are going to find out today.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
They are.
A lot of people invested a lotof time.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I guess it'll get dark, but to get here, yeah,
it'll get dark, but you won't beable to see it one, something
today.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Today, is that the yeah I think so, 130.
130?
130.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
We might still be here.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, welcome to the very first ever segment called
Wellness by Design.
In this segment, we explore theintersection of design and
holistic well-being.
We'll dive into the latesttrends, innovations and
headlines shaping our livingspaces and impacting our health
and wellness.
And this is the very firstepisode of this segment, so

(07:51):
thank you for being here.
Awesome, I feel privileged.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I do too.
This is exciting.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
You guys have both been on the podcast before, yeah
, so today we're going to talkabout technology and holistic
wellness.
So this has a profound impacton our living spaces and our
wellbeing and it's not goinganywhere.
Technology is here to stay andit's only going to keep
expanding and integrating intoevery facet of our lives,

(08:19):
including our homes, workspaces,living communities and cities.
But my question is homes,workspaces, living communities
and cities.
But my question is what are thepros and cons of this evolving
landscape for our health andwellness and how can we utilize
it to impact our livespositively rather than
negatively?
And I just believe thatdiscussing the pros and cons of

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technology and well-being, wewill raise awareness and people
can make informed choices abouthow to incorporate technology
into their homes to promotebalance and enhance overall
health and well-being andmitigate the negative impacts as
much as they can.
So that's what we're going totalk about today.
So, jackie, I met you at PDR.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
God we won't even say how many years ago.
Oh, should we have to add thatup again?
Did we do?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
that, yeah, when you were here.
Yeah, so you are an interiordesigner and you've done I know
you've done corporateresidential yes, corporate
residential landscaping.
And now you're a professor atHCC.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yes, exactly yeah.
So I think you'll be a greatpiece to all of this.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And now, you're a professor at HCC.
Yes, exactly, yeah, yeah.
So I think you'll be a greatpiece to all of this, because
you're dealing with the youngergenerations and seeing kind of
what they're learning and howthey're being impacted by
everything.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Right and trying not to be like oh, those kids, those
kids.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
What are they up to?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
now.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, I think you're going to be very valuable in
this topic, in the discussion ofthis topic, candice, hey, hi.
You're an interior designer,yes, and a well designer, yes.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
And we met here.
That's right, I was a do youcall them clients?

Speaker 1 (09:58):
or patients.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, I was a patient of yours and then was going to
go to interior design school andfound out you were an interior
designer, and so then we justclicked and started talking
about all kinds of interiordesign stuff from there.
So you were with me from thevery beginning, from when I uh
went back to school to to studyinterior design.

(10:21):
So look at you now.
Now, yeah, I'm all grown up now.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
You're all grown up now well, do you guys want to
expand on some of your um, yourhistory and kind of your like um
or your?

Speaker 3 (10:36):
sure what you're about tell people what you're
about.
Well, I've been teaching for umprobably for probably 20
something years now and starteddoing it as an adjunct, you know
, on the side, while I was atPDR, and then have, just over
the past 10 years, sort ofdecided that that was really my

(10:59):
calling and wanting to do thatsort of more full-time.
But I don't think you can evermove away from design.
So I was always doing design onthe side and after I left the
corporate world I started doinglandscape design, which was
interesting, and everyone waslike how do you do that?
And I'm like, well, design isdesign.
It's all still the same elementsand principles and all that

(11:20):
kind of stuff, and so I enjoyeddoing that for a while, have my
own company and I've got oneproject that just doesn't seem
to ever end.
But other than that I'm justteaching full time now and
really have um started gettinginto the virtual um aspects of
interior design.

(11:40):
And so technology plays a hugerole in everything that we're
doing at HCC, and you know thatsaying about teaching an old dog
new tricks Well, you know, I'mprobably the oldest instructor
there right now and you know, ifI can learn this new stuff,
everybody can.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
So it's really fun and exciting and you know the
technology is just like you said, sherry it's not going anywhere
, so you have to like embrace it, I think, Embrace it and let's
use it for what it's good forExactly and try to, you know,
kind of prevent the morenegative aspects of it, because
there are pros and cons.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Oh, totally, totally, and what about you, Candice?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Tell people a bit more about you.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
So, yes, so interior design is my second career.
I was in legal litigation, biglaw firm I worked at for many
years, but I was always doingsome sort of creative thing on
the side and built my own homefrom scratch and did all of the
interiors.

(12:41):
And that's whenever I kind offound my love for interior
design and really thought, oh,this is a different part of
interior design.
I always thought interiordesign was kind of like the
fluff, you know, the drapery andthe fabrics and all of that and
I really got into theconstruction and the build of

(13:08):
that.
And I really got into theconstruction and the build and
then I realized how your home ifyou create a home that supports
you how that can make you feelin that home, and so from then
on I was like I really want todo this as a profession.
So how do I do it?
I ended up moving to Houstonand at that point I went back to
school for interior design andafter that I thought I was going

(13:29):
to go into hospitality designand I did an internship in
hospitality.
I also did an internship inluxury residential and I fell in
love with residential because Iwas actually getting to work
with the people that were livingin that home and I felt like I
could help people more.
Um.
So that's how I got intoresidential.

(13:52):
Um, I've worked for severaldesigners, um, and then I
eventually, um, two and a halfyears ago, went full time, uh,
with my own business and I'vealways practiced some sort of
wellness design.
I don't I always say it's theway that you actually should be
practicing interior design.
It's not really to me, it's alla part of it together.

(14:15):
I just don't have a separate,like wellness, interior design
business.
Like the way that I do,interior design incorporates
wellness and in every projectthat I do so yeah, there's
actually a certification calledwell design.
There is, there is.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, so you want to tell people a little bit about
that, so they know yeah so thereis a certification.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
There are different certifications.
There's a, there's a leadassociate that you can get, and
that's really more forsustainability and the building
process.
Designers can get that.
And then there's also awell-designed certification that
you can get.
They have courses and then youcan take the test and become a
well designer.
I know that I've seen somecommunities recently.

(15:00):
There's a community kind of outin katie that is being
developed a residentialcommunity and they're going to
be um, well certified, um.
So businesses and also, uh,residences can get that
certification if they meetcertain parameters and then a
well designer can be hired andcan help them to to meet

(15:23):
everything uh-huh yeah, yeah, uh.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Is it going to be like a wellness community, like
like in florida, not florida,and um, sarah b, where's sarah b
atlanta?
Yes, is it going to be likethat?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
um a little bit.
I think that they'reincorporating a lot of wellness.
You know aspects um in.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I've seen ads for it on tv yeah, yeah yeah, the
walking trails.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yes, there's walking trails and you know huge, huge
connection in nature um I thinkjust you know the natural light
that they have you know, in the,in the homes, and I think
they've also got some sort oflike filtration system with the
water, so they're just beingvery cognizant and they've
gotten the the well certified orcertificate.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I wonder if it will.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
It's not like.
Serenby is a little different.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Serenby isn't like it is full on, you know like even
they've got, you know, a farmout there with restaurants and
farm to table and yeah,Community events.
They're kind of going back tothe old way of doing things.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
There's another community um outside of Atlanta
too, over in Peachtree city andI can't remember the name of it,
but it's also wellness.
It's over there, near they havea production studio um out
there and it's very close tothat, and I actually went out
there and looked at some housesand, um, it's really really nice

(16:48):
, really nice.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
And where is that?
It's in it's outside of it.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, peachtree city um outside of Atlanta like 45
minutes.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think they're popping up everywhere.
I think Serum B is on the mapbecause of good PR, Um, but uh
it's.
I still want to go out thereand check it out and have my own
experience of it, because itsounds really great, and I think
that a lot of these conceptsare going to start kind of
creeping their ways into ourcities and other communities,

(17:17):
which I think is really cool.
Jackie, do you see this inschool?
I mean, is this somethingthat's being talked about?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, I mean, when we do our residential design
studio, we're looking for all ofthese different ways of doing
residential projects, right?
So it's not just your typical,you know, let's just do a single
family house.
But we've done, co-housingprojects, we've done.
I think it would be great to doa wellness community.
I'm just sitting here thinkingI'm like, oh, that's what we can

(17:44):
do.
Next semester is a wellnesscommunity.
Um, we try to push the studentsto just think beyond, just you
know, the thing right in frontof them.
And so anytime we can add insustainability, wellness, those
things.
But now again it's mixing itwith technology, because there's
a huge you know uh learningcurve for all that technology

(18:05):
that has to be in at HTC.
We only have the associatesdegree, so we only have two
years and um, so we try to fitdifferent concepts that you know
are not about technology, butthen we use the technology to to
produce the designs and, likethe, it's not the metaverse, but
it's the virtual reality yeah,the metaverse, the metaverse.

(18:26):
Yeah, don't ask me what it is,but I am teaching a class on it
now well, that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
They've got a um.
You know, I think thattechnology can even like that
can help in the design part too.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yes, I mean if you come from it from that
perspective like technology forus and I'm sure you're starting
to experience it and have.
But it's just a helpful tool,you know, because if you start
at the basic stuff like chat,gpt, and you know, my students
were so shocked this semesterwhen I said no, let's just talk
about it.

(19:00):
You're going to use it andlet's use it the right way yeah
and all these things are a timesaver for us yeah huge and um,
so yeah so how?

Speaker 1 (19:11):
so how are you using chat gpt?

Speaker 3 (19:12):
well, I mean, you know, we have to write concept
statements students do for theirprojects right and a lot of
them struggle with.
You know, I don't know how tosay it and I'm like, well, just
type it in all crazy and type itin a chat, gpt, and it will
help you form.
You know something that makessense, but it's the whole.
You know, what information youput in is the information you

(19:34):
get back out and so we're notencouraging them to use it when
they're writing a research paperor anything like that, but when
they have a writing and theywant to turn it into something
better and make it sound moreprofessional, we let them use
that.
But now there's all kinds ofimage generating.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
AI and all that which you know, we're showing the
students how to use to doschematic design.
So, instead of having to pull awhole palette together with
materials and finishes andinspirational images and
furniture pictures, you justlike kind of type in this prompt
and it will give you an imageof something, and so it's huge

(20:11):
time saver so well, like.
if you type in um, there's aprogram called mid journey and
if you type in, you know I'dlike to um design a kitchen that
has lots of natural light.
It has an island in the middlethat seats four people.
I'd like a pop of orange in itand then it will create four

(20:33):
images of a kitchen for you.
And so you know it's not exactlywhat you want.
It doesn't pull up a plan foryou.
There's all kinds of differentways to use it, but that's one
way in schematic design.
So you could do that threedifferent times and then you've
got these three different thingsto show the client that may
have taken you oh, so it's likethe concept.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, it's creating the concept so it's.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, it's not telling you exactly what the
furniture piece is or anythinglike that, but it's just sort of
a schematic.
Is this the direction you wantto go in?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Because in school too .

Speaker 3 (21:06):
We are also saying don't use other people's work.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
But it's hard when you don't have your own work.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
You went through magazines.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Well, or the internet or the internet.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Sorry, I just date myself.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Magazines.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Magazines.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Books.
Yeah exactly, but things likethat yeah and um just time
savers.
I mean, I feel like you knowyou can write things and you
know the direction you're goingin, but then to put it all
together, yeah it's very helpfulto use.
And then we're doing themetaverse class, where we're
teaching designers how to designenvironments that can be put

(21:45):
into the metaverse and there'sall kinds of different
technologies and file types andall that kind of stuff that goes
with it.
So I'm learning along with thestudents, because I'm actually
co-teaching that with a personso now, how is that useful like?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
what would you use that for?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
well, okay, so if you go online now, you can look up
crate and HEB, and they haveonline virtual environments that
you can go shopping in.
So, someone created thatenvironment, and it was probably
a gamer, not an interiordesigner or an architect, so
that's really a new avenue fordesigners to go in.
It's really, you know, a newavenue for designers to go in.

(22:24):
I always joke with them.
I was like man, just think youdon't have to do construction
documents ever if you'redesigning for the metaverse.
So you know you could do that.
And it's kind of.
I read somewhere in preppingfor this about and I've been
joking about this because we'redoing a digital twin of our
department that we needed ameditation space in it but

(22:47):
people are designing those.
So that's a way to usetechnology to, you know, help
with mental, physical, you knowwell-being.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
I could see, excuse me, I could see like in the like
for residential um, becausewhen we um, when we are
designing and then have theclient be able to virtually walk
through their space or any kindit doesn't have to be
residential, it could behospitality, and you're creating
a restaurant or a hotel and you, the clients, could be able to

(23:21):
walk through the space and get afeel it.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Then they would see how it feels to be actually
physically, almost be there andthat's the metaverse, and so,
like I see it, so if you, if you, let's say you, put on these
virtual reality goggles, you cango shopping at creighton barrel
.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
That's what yeah, in there, in this specific
creighton barrel that's in themetaverse interesting so it's
like you're there almostphysically, but you're in the
metaverse feels a little like arendering uh-huh you know, like
a 3d rendering that'll changenot exactly real yet, but yeah,
I think it's just going to keepprogressing it'll keep yeah yeah
, but you can go in and theymake it, so you can do it on all

(24:00):
the different.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
You can do it on your phone, you can do on laptop you
can do it with the goggles orwithout the goggles, but yeah
there's a place here that youcan take your floor plan in CAD.
You know, I can't remember Doyou remember the name of it.
No, I can't either.
I'll remember it, but anyway,you take your floor plan and

(24:22):
they put it onto a big screen.
So it's like you know, with theVan Gogh, the immersive Van
Gogh, it's the same thing You'reimmersed.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
So they put your floor plan on the floor right
Floor and the elevations on thewalls.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
And they'll bring in furniture pieces that they have
there and like a sofa, a bed orwhatever that they have on
wheels, that they bring in sothat your clients can then go
and actually walk their floorplan.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
I was going to ask you.
I have a new app.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I'll show you.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
There's a new app that do.
You do a lot of fieldverification and measurements of
existing spaces.
You can take your camera canvas.
No.
And you can scan the room andit will create a floor plan for
you, oh, wow to actual scale,with doors, windows, ceiling
heights.
I need that.

(25:14):
I'll show you.
That's the one, do you remember?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
remember I did that technology, I did a um is it
pretty accurate.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
We had a student.
Polycam, polycam.
Okay, we had a student, it'scalled Polycam.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Oh, polycam.
Okay.
We had a student career daywith ASID and I did this
technology class.
Yeah.
I was going to ask you aboutall that.
And Canvas, not Canva, butCanvas is a little similar, but
I'm interested in this onebecause you can take your foot,
you have to have an iPhone oriPad and you scan the walls and

(25:46):
it gives you a 3d and you canget measurements from there and
then, if you want to turn itinto a floor plan, you send it
to them and you pay like acertain amount it's not, it's
not a lot, but you you pay themper square foot and they'll turn
it into a floor plan, into CADor SketchUp or See, this does it

(26:07):
for you.
That's great.
You don't have to pay them.
I need to.
Yeah, I need that.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
This was just at the.
That was just at the VR lab.
We were in the other day,really.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
It's really cool Polycam, polycam.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
See, I know, if I waited long enough, that a new
one would be coming out, anyway,so technology, I think is just
for us, can help us do thingsfaster and get to the fun stuff
quicker.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And I've been using ChatGPT too, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I use it and it is using chat GPT too.
Yeah, I use, I use it, um, andit is.
It's a huge time saver and I doexactly what you just said I
have my ideas right, cause I Ithink that we need to keep our
ideas and we can't just let chatGPT decide everything.
But so I'll put my ideas in andthen I refine it and re and
finesse it to where it's me, mybrand and something that I would

(27:05):
say with my words but so Iagree.
But where's the line?
You know, like, I think it'sreally great that you guys are
embracing technology becauseit's not going away and students
are going to use it.
So how, where is that line tosay, okay, this is okay for you
to use it to generatedescriptions, to generate floor

(27:27):
plans, but not a research paper.
You know where is that line?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I think you just have to, it's just teaching them
teaching just teaching them howto use the tool just like we
taught how to use thearchitectural scale.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
It's just making sure that they're understanding that
, yes, this is a great thing.
It's not going away, right?
But how can you use it tobenefit you and to help you
evolve and discover, versustrying to let it do your work
for you?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, some people are just going to do that.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
You're always going to have that, Even before any of
this you have people that wouldcopy somebody else's work,
which is interesting to me.
I think you know what is theline between inspiration and
actually copying somebody's work.
I think it's the same thing,what we're talking about.

(28:19):
Like AI, you still have to useyour own creativity and your own
so that it's something unique,um, so that you know it's not
just a copy version of somethingelse.
So I think that that eventuallywill you know.
I think people are worriedabout it because they're, you
know they're thinking oh well,what are, what are they going to

(28:40):
need interior designers for ifpeople can just go in and do it,
but you still, as an interiordesigner, have to put it
together, um, and then youactually have to go and source
the items and and also put thosetogether too.
So I see it as an enhancementto what we do.
I don't see it as somethingthat's going to, you know, take

(29:01):
away our career, but I think youalways like we said you've got
to embrace it and you've got tofigure out how it can help you.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
And I'll give you an example of what I see here in
the clinic and it's, you know,cause in Western medicine
technology is is that it's high,it's at its height, it's at a
high level, and I see doctorsleaning on technology more and
not developing their own problemsolving skills and diagnose and

(29:29):
diagnose and diagnosing.
Um, for example, I had apatient that was in pain for
months and, um, I couldn't, youknow, I couldn't touch it.
I told her I was like you know,I think you need to go to a
Western doctor and I think thatyou need to figure out what this
is right.
Cause we're not.
We're not changing anything.
So she went to one doctor andhe said oh, you have IBS.

(29:51):
And she came back to me and Iwas like you don't have IBS,
this is not how IBS behaves.
So she went to another doctorCrohn's, I'm like what.
You don't have.
Crohn's like this, that's notwhat this is.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
I still I didn't know what it was, though, so she
went to the third process ofelimination.
You know what it's not.
I know what it's not.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Right, and so she went to the third doctor and she
described him as ancient.
She was like he was ancient.
He palpated her stomach.
No test, no nothing.
Palpated her stomach and saidwe need to get you into surgery.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
You have a hernia.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
And she's like yeah, and so it's just crazy, because
I think that doctors are relyingon technology and if it doesn't
show up on a test, they don'tknow what it is.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
It's interesting because I mean just in terms of
healthcare and that sort ofthing.
Yeah, you have to like kind offigure out things yourself.
It's not like you depend on thedoctor anymore to do it.
You want to come in with.
You know it could be this, thisand this based on the research
I've done and what I'm feelingin my body and then that helps
them get to the, to the realdeal.

(30:58):
But you hope, you hope.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, but I just think there's so much reliance
on technology instead of usingit as a tool right when.
I take someone's pulse, it's atool.
When I observe like thatapplies to anywhere where there
is, we're using technology andso it's kind of like well, where
is that line?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
You know, how do you?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
teach that you know um, and and how do you stress
the importance of not losingthat?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, that's been kind of a.
You know, teaching criticalthinking is always the trick.
It's always well, you want to,you still want to have that
critical thinking.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
You don't want to always rely on something else or
somebody else to think for you,because there are times when
you do have to think foryourself and you want to be able
to do that and be able toproblem solve.
Yeah, super important.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
And I think that's probably the piece right there.
It's critical thinking andknowing when this is appropriate
to use and when it's notappropriate, and never losing
that skill because we're introuble Like, like like you
can't.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
If you can't do that, you know and then even like
interior design, I say a lot, of, a lot of what we do in
interior design is solveproblems, and so that if you
don't have problem solvingskills it's going to be
difficult, because really that'sa lot of what, where you can be
creative and come up with allthese great ideas, but if you
don't know how to solve problems, then you're not going to go

(32:33):
very far.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
It's putting that together, yeah, the problem
solving and the criticalthinking, and even though, like
what we've been saying, it'slike I think, it's just whatever
information you're putting intoany kind of AI that you're
using you know, it still has tobe at a certain level in order
for you to get out of it whatyou need.
And I think that's a part ofwhat we have to tell the
students.

(32:54):
And so you know, even whenwe're talking about concept
development and we try to takethem away from oh it's modern,
or it's mid-century modern orit's you know Art Deco, it's
modern or it's mid-centurymodern or it's you know art deco
it's like that's not a concept,that's just, you know sort of
how you're realizing yourconcept, and so we try to take
it outside of interior design toget them thinking.
But a lot of times it's justthey just want the answer and

(33:18):
you know it's A, b or C andyou're like, but it could be D,
f, you know it's crazy, and soyou just have to keep exploring
with them and hoping that peoplethat really want to do interior
design will see that it is acreative problem solving,
critical thinking kind ofprofession.
It's just not the decorativeside of things.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Right, right.
Is that how people, a lot ofpeople, they see it as the
decorative, side.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Oh, I think so I think still, I think I think
people are have become educatedon what um.
I mean, that's part of what Ifeel like as interior designers,
that we have to do is toeducate people as to what a real
interior designer does, andthat's part of, like ASID um
association, what what they doum is they're an advocate for

(34:08):
interior design and what thatwe're not just going around,
yeah, karate chopping pillowswhich, by the way, I don't know
if I like that look or not Idon't, I don't either I don't I
do too.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I'm not sure I know what you guys are talking about
when you chop it in the middleand you make a V.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
It's like this is what you do to pillows these
days you karate, chop it.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
And it makes it like what.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Makes it like a V.
Yeah, you karate chop, you goaround and karate chop all the
pillows in the middle of thepillow and it makes it almost
like a little V.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
So it's a regular pillow, but you just go and you
use your hand, you just chop itin the middle and it's a V that
started on TikTok, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Oh no, this has been way before TikTok, the karate
chop.
It has nothing to do withTikTok, really.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Oh my gosh.
I had no idea, maybe TikTokmade it famous that's because
you didn't do residential, youdid commercial design, so you
weren't going around karatechopping.
I was in karate choppingpillows.
No, but Finn does that.
He goes and lays in the middleof it.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
That's so funny.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Okay, so we've been talking about technology and how
to use it as a tool in theprofession.
What about the home?
Again, there's going to be thatline where technology is going
to help us and benefit ourhealth and wellness, um, and
then there's going to be a pointwhere it there's always the you

(35:33):
guys are familiar with yin andyang.
Right, they always transforminto one another yes, and
there's always that tippingpoint where it goes over to, uh,
the place yin or yang I wasabout to say negative, but the
negative or the positive right.
And so how do you guys see thatplaying out?
And where are we right now?
And how do you see it playingout?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I mean, I love technology and the home, but I
already see where we're gettinginundated, like right now.
You know we've got everythingis hooked up to either.
Alexa or Google.
You can hook up your entirehome to be automated, which is
great, you know.
You can have it make start thecoffee machine for you.

(36:19):
You can have it close theblinds for you.
Have it close the blinds foryou.
There's, there are systemscalled like control four and um
there's Crestron that can do allof these things, that you can
have everything.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Well, it's, uh, it's, it's what would you call those
Jackie, it's a um, it's an appbut an application, but it oh
it's an app.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, but it's a.
It's an audio visual tool thatyou, you hook up your entire
home to be completely automatedso it can open, unlock and lock
doors.
It can control your securitycameras.
Um, you can have your sound, um, surround sound, hooked up to
it.
You can have like you couldwake up in the morning and you

(37:01):
can say good morning, andeverything is programmed.
You could wake up in themorning and you can say good
morning, and everything isprogrammed.
You can have it open up thedraperies for you.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
You can have your shower now.
It's so futuristic, right, it'sso futuristic.
It's just like what you thinkin the movies used to be the
Jetsons.
Good morning yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
You can have the shower set at a certain
temperature and it canautomatically start for you.
It can start your coffeemachine for you.
It can start your coffeemachine for you, can play the
music all of these things thattechnology can do, and it's
really cool.
I love technology, but I alsothink about okay, well, what if
you lose electricity, or what ifsomething breaks?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
And we don't really have.
Most of us are not technicallyskilled at handling that kind of
technology, and if it goesright.
How do you troubleshoot?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well, they have people that can troubleshoot for
you.
So if you obviously like, ifyou're going to have to call a
AV person that did your installor you know, provided this
equipment for you, a full systemlike that.
I, I, yes, yes, yeah, yes.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Do you mind how much like how, if somebody came to
you as an intern designer andsaid I want my house to be
totally automated?
Totally, totally automated asmuch as you know the things that
you've been saying, it could beanywhere from.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
It could be anywhere from 50,000.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
up, yeah, so yeah, yeah it's.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's not inexpensive and it's best to do it when
you're do you building yeah doyou know that?

Speaker 1 (38:30):
I know a couple of security people that their um
internet security like theywon't have any of that stuff in
their home, right?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
well, that's what I was going to say the privacy is
because you're losing yourprivacy now, because I think we
all know that you're talkingabout something and then all of
a sudden it's gonna appear on anad in your Instagram and
sometimes I'm like, oh, that'sgreat, Because I was just
talking about I needed to find asuch and such, but then you're

(39:01):
like this is really creepy.
Like it's listening to me andnow I'm getting all these ads
for stuff.
So that's the thing whereyou're like this is really
creepy, like it's listening tome and now I'm getting all these
ads for stuff.
So that's the thing whereyou're losing your.
You're losing your privacy.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, privacy concerns.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
I'm always of the mindset, though, like if you're
not doing anything wrong, youknow, is it okay?
It's just sort of.
I guess you just have to knowwhen to say I mean, I, I mean we
say crazy things sometimes,right, so somebody is listening
to us yeah and um.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I think again it goes back.
Where's that line and wheredoes it stop?
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I could see it getting to where if we don't
take control of it?
Yeah I could see it getting outof hand, yeah, um with the
wrong like wrong, people likeyeah yeah, like where did?
Where does it stop?
You know, like right now itseems like oh okay, I was.
I mean, is it now going to be?
You're going to think aboutsomething and it's going to show
up.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I don't know well apparently they're talking about
this technology you put in yourhead your brain, your head
neuro link.
Is that, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, Now we could be , we could get into trouble if
it's like if it's everybodyknows what, everybody's knowing
what you're thinking.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
I don't think.
I honestly I don't think I wantto know what most people are
thinking.
No, I don't want to know.
There's already things rightnow that I don't want to know
I'm like, I'm better off notknowing that in my life, I'm
better off not knowing that.
Yes, yes.
So privacy is one Overload,just tech overload.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
And I also think of, like instant stress is what
they're calling it.
I think of expecting instantgratification can also um be a
hindrance, because if you'reexpecting, like like now, you
ask Google a question and youautomatically get it, you order
something off of Amazon andpatience Like I was supposed to

(41:00):
get something in one dayyesterday and then it didn't
come last night, yeah.
And then now it's saying it'scoming today and I'm like, but I
was supposed to get ityesterday.
So, already that you know, andit's not anything that I needed
to have yesterday.
But you're just now.
We're expecting to get thingsright away, instant
gratification.

(41:20):
I see that kind of as a con.
I see that being a con.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
I do yeah, I do too, I do yeah, I do too, I do too,
and then just dependencydependency and that, like we
were talking about that criticalthinking, you know, yeah, Well,
and even I was talking tosomebody at school the other day
about you know you're in yourdowntime when you're supposed to
just like OK, I'm going towatch an hour of tv, but you

(41:44):
still have your phone and thenyou'll catch yourself having to
rewind yep and replay what you,because you'd miss, because you
were on your phone.
Yeah, I mean, it's like youjust can.
Of course I have mine glued tome, but um or strapped and
anytime it makes a noise, anotification.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
You're.
I do that now that you're.
That's funny that you're sayingthat, because I've had to
rewind I don't know how manytimes.
Yeah, shows so weird you'remultitasking we really can't
multitask.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
No, no, no, you can't .
Well, what are some of the pros?
I mean, we talked about um ithelping us be more efficient
using it as a tool.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Well, well, I think if you know one thing that comes
it's personal for me with mymom, who's 92 or about to be 92.
And it's really she said it theother day she's like I don't
know what I do without my phone,you know, because really it is
her connection to the world, theworld.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
And it's connection to you know her sister who she
texts with you know, every day,all day long, she plays word
with friends, so she uses hermind, she's playing games on
there and she just really feelsconnected with it you know,
especially when she's there byherself, yeah, so I think in

(43:02):
that case it's a good thing forpeople to use the technology to
help us stay connected, althoughit does disconnect other people
Right.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Because they're so used to just behind the screen.
But I also think that's ageneration thing, because I
think an older generation, likeyour mom or us, would use it
very much like that.
And then you have the youngergenerations that spend all their
time on it and they don't knowanything different.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Right.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
And they become more socially isolated because of
because they sit at home andtalk to their friends all the
time when they should be out inthe world engaging with it Right
, because they can, because theycan yeah.
So I think generational uhthere's some generational issues
there.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
And it's helped us in our business, right All that
stuff you just said you did apresentation on Right.
I mean that's a real positive.
Just all the different ways.
So I finally have given up onmy big paper calendars.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Oh, I'm a little weird about it.
Yeah, I can't make this.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
The other day I was like okay, let's just do this.
And then I'm like can I printit out though?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
and I'm always like when I see, I'm always intrigued
.
When I see somebody with apaper calendar, I'm like, oh wow
, I have one.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, I have a book and I just can't.
I like to write in it and drawin it.
And, um, I have my phone.
I mean, I use the uh calendaron my phone sometimes, but
mostly I only use my calendar onthe calendar on my phone
sometimes, but most of the timeI only use my calendar on the
phone.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
On the phone.
I'm making that transition.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
If it's not well, it's a Google so it's on the
phone or on my computer buteverything goes in there.
If it doesn't go in there, I'llforget about it.
So I'm always like send me acalendar invite or I immediately
put it in my phone on there sothat helps me.
I've just gotten used to it.
But, um, one of the things thatI think about um technology

(44:55):
helping, especially in the home,is for um health reasons.
So we've got so much technologyum in kitchen appliances so
that has really helped people tobe able to cook differently
People can get.
Now you can hook up your.
Any of your appliances arehooked up to the internet.
It can.
Your refrigerator can tell youwhen you're low on something and

(45:17):
when you need to order thingsso you can have.
It can keep things fresher forlonger.
They have different compartmentsnow, so you can have healthier
food.
Also, they've got steam ovensand sous vides and they will
give you recipes.
If you say I want to do theMediterranean diet, they can
send you recipes on the app onhow to make those.

(45:39):
So I think these kind oftechnologies can help with your
health and help people enjoycooking at home, or maybe people
that don't know how to cook.
Um, instead of having you don'thave to go out and take a
cooking class anymore.
You can take somethingvirtually, or I think even
something like Thermador hascooking classes that you can

(46:00):
take.
They'll give you recipes andthings like that on their app.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I saw something on Shark Tank the other day.
That was an automated systemthat you put in your kitchen and
it has all the ingredients init and it will make a recipe for
you.
It like drops the stuff fromabove into the pot.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Oh, I like that.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
How does it get the?

Speaker 3 (46:23):
ingredients.
It's all in this cabinetryabove there's like refrigerated
compartments.
But you have to stock it right.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, you stock it.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yes, and you have to stock it, so it's stocked like a
refrigerator or a pantry, likea refrigerator or a pantry, and
then it just takes as much ofeach ingredient that it needs
and puts it in a pot.
Now, that's cool yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
How big was it?
And puts it in a pot.
Now that's cool, yeah.
Now how big was it?
This, it looked like you knowabout 48 to six, you know four
or five feet.
It's like a kitchen cabinet.
So they put it like include it.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
It's something like you put into your.
I'm going to have to look thatup.
That was on Shark Tank.
Yes, it's really cool.
It's something that you buildinto your kitchen into your
kitchen.
That is totally like a Jetsonsthing.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
I like that it reminded me because you were
saying like it will make healthyrecipes for you.
I think that's where we'regoing, because it's already
starting.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
I think eventually they'll figure out how to make
you know something like thatwork in your kitchen, but
everything's integrated, andeven bathrooms now.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Well, I can see going .
Just going back to the sharktank, I can see where that would
be beneficial because a lot ofpeople in health when I do
health coaching, a lot of it'saround diet and a lot of people
just don't enjoy cooking, that'sme, it's totally me, yep yeah.
So I can see that being verybeneficial.
I think you're either a chef ora gardener.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, you're a gardener, I'm a gardener, I'm a
chef I don't know which one I am.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Or maybe you're neither.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I'm a chef, I love to cook, I don't love to cook, but
I don't mind cooking.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
So I don't know.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't know where I fallbecause I don't mind cooking,
and I think I do.
I cook because I want to eathealthy but I don't love it.
No, no, I've tried, I've triedto plant like I'm like, I'm just
gonna, I'm gonna plant herbsevery year and every year they
die.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
So no, I think you're probably more of a chef.
Okay, I'm more of a chef.
Okay, more of a chef, wefigured we figured it out.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Process of elimination.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I'm definitely not a gardener.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
That's for sure.
Um, so I read this art.
This article just came out.
Um, it was uh, in the globalwellness they set out, or put
out every year, uh, 10 trends.
And this was trend number eightand it was the title was the
home as highest tech health hubsand I found that super
interesting.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, They've got, did you?
I didn't go to KBiz this year,but I usually go every year.
It's the big kitchen and bathshow that they have every year
and everything.
The most change that you see isalways technology, and they
even had a last year.
They had a refrigerator madejust for herbs, like growing

(49:15):
herbs and everything that youcould have in there.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Maybe, maybe, maybe.
That's what I need.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
It's like a little hydroponic.
That would be our need.
Yes, because we're notgardeners.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
And she needs the shark tank.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Yes, you need the one that makes it for me Exactly.
Yeah, I like that, and.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I've seen other small like hydroponic, hydroponic
hydroponic growers.
Like you could grow littlevegetables in there, like
lettuces and things like that.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
That for the home jackie, you might know this.
Um, someone told me I think shewas a nutritionist, I think it
was a nutritionist that told methis that she was concerned
about those, the hydroponicgrowers, because they lack
nutrients.
Do you know anything about that?

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I don't know anything about that, but I mean, I think
you would have to.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, maybe supplement somehow, if it's not
just I could see that becauseyou get so many different
nutrients from the soil and thenI mean it makes sense, but I
don't know what you can kind ofdo about that yeah, that's
interesting the pros and consyeah.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Oh, and there's indoor air quality, indoor air
quality.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Indoor air quality.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Indoor air quality.
I mean there's systems.
Now that right, you can come inand use filtration systems.
We're using the HEPA filtersand I mean that makes a huge
difference.
I think I've been looking intoit.
There's like whole housesystems there's individual room
systems right.
Yes, do any of that.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I do.
I do have people that ask forthat and there are.
You know you would hire an HVACcompany that can come out and
do those.
But yeah, they.
Because I mean, most peoplethink that your indoor air
quality is not as bad as theoutdoor air quality, but studies
have shown that indoor isreally bad compared to outdoor.
That's why it's really good toopen up your windows and, you
know, be able to have access tothat.

(51:19):
But these, these systems whereyou can get good air quality,
you can even buy the portableones.
Yeah, the molecule, yeah, themolecules are one that I
recommend.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
I have molecule and I have a big one at home.
Yes, those are great becauseevery once in a while it just
goes off and I'm like well, Idon't smell anything.
Nothing's changed in here.
I haven't brought any new likecarpet or furniture.
Just all of a sudden it'll saybad, right, air is bad and I'm
like run right.

(51:52):
I'm like what is it?
Like no one's cooking.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
It's like I get up in the morning to go run and it's
at 4 30 in the morning and it'sgoing off and I'm like so
interesting and they even havesystems too where the the blue
light that can kill bacteria,that you can get those installed
and I've even like I have themon.
I have some portable um airfilters in my house, air
purifiers, and they do have thatum the blue light on it to help

(52:17):
with bacteria and I don't knowmicroorganisms in the air.
But I've I've been seeing thatwhen we were going through COVID
there were some businesses thatwhenever you walk through the
door that it it put this lighton you to kill the bacteria.

(52:38):
Do you know what I'm talking?

Speaker 3 (52:40):
about.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
They've seen those they're talking about doing it
in that that eventually it couldbe in your home, so that when
you come home maybe it's like ina mudroom or something like
that.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
And you would walk through.
Is that good, though I don'tknow?
Is that healthy for us?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Because there's this whole dirty wellness Right.
We're getting dirty and itgives you all that good bacteria
.
The good, yes, well, and ithelps your immune, it helps your
we talked about that too likeplaying in the dirt.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
how that dirty wellness, dirty wellness, how
that helps.
And and also, I think, havingsome bacteria on you.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I don't know if you call it bacteria, but I think we
need it to stress our immunesystem a little bit, our immune
system yeah that we have to havesome of those on us.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
You can't it's like if you use too much hand
sanitizer and too much, you'recleaning too much, Then you I
think I told you this before,Sherry there was a woman at the
law firm that I worked at thatwas kind of a germaphobe and she
was constantly cleaning herdesk with alcohol and wiping it
down like everything, everysingle day, multiple times a day
the phone, the computer, thekeyboard and everything and she

(53:47):
created a super bug and she gotit on her face.
She went to the doctor and theysaid you created a super bug
because of all of this.
You killed all of the smallerbugs and you created this super
bug.
Now that you actually so likeher worst fear, like, but I,
I've never forgotten that andI'm always like it's okay not to

(54:09):
wipe the cart and to have somegerms.
It's okay, I mean, and I thinkit's even good for us to get
sick every once in a while yeahjust to stress our immune system
, to know it's still workingyeah, you still want to wash
your hands and do stuff likethat, but um, I know, the global
Wellness Institute.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
They had their summit and our conference and this was
right after COVID.
It was their first one after.
Covid, and they had the bluelights that you walked through.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Okay, so that's what that's what I think eventually
that might be available.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
I don't know if I like that I don't know either.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I mean, I would imagine it would be very
expensive, expensive, but theway that technology just kind of
like rapidly um improves andand takes off, that I think one
day that's probably going to beavailable for people.
And then another one is umaccess to, uh, good water
quality right, we take that forwhat I was gonna say.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
We take that for granted yes a lot of times that
you know we're just drinkinggood water when I started doing
triathlons I became very awareof water quality, very aware
because I was swimming and

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I, we did.
I did a race uh, it's called um.
It was out in Kima and we'd geton a boat and they would take
us out a mile, drop us off andwe'd have to swim back to shore.
And one year I did it.
They wouldn't let us do theswim because we'd had a lot of
rain, so there was a lot ofrunoff into the bay and they
wouldn't let us swim in itbecause they said it was too

(55:41):
toxic.
But on my run I saw peoplefishing in it and I was like,
yeah, hopefully they were justthrowing them back in.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
They weren't eating.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I'm like do they know this?
Did anybody tell the?
The people out there fishing?
Oh my gosh, but um.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
So yeah, I became very aware of water quality when
I was doing that yeah, and youcan, you can um, you know, you
can get like reverse osmosis inhomes.
You can get all kinds of umwater filtration in your home to
help with that and they've evengot you know, like obviously
you had the refrigerators whereyou always had the, the
filtration on the door got tomake sure you change that filter

(56:21):
.
I know most people probablydon't, but now they've got it.
So you can still get that sleekexterior look.
They've got it so that thefiltration is on the interior.
So you can either put a glassup on the inside and you can get
filtered water, or you can justhave a pitcher there.
So you know how you have tofill up that bread of filter,
that pitcher, all the time andfill it up.

(56:43):
Now you just put it in therefrigerator and it
automatically fills it up foryou, the pitcher, so that you've
always got a pressure.
So I could see that those kindsof things being really helpful
and help you with drink you know, being healthier with your
water quality.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
That just made me think about like so, even though
these things are technologiesmaking things more convenient
for us, what we have to do, then, is remember that, okay, now we
have extra time that we used tonot have, so we need to use
that time for good, what are yougoing?
To use that Exactly.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I think that's what I mean.
It's just sort of recognizingthat yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Okay, these are all great things, but we're doing it
to free yourself up, for youknow you don't have to do those
to be more productive.
But you know what are you goingto do with that extra time?

Speaker 1 (57:27):
I agree, I think that's a big question.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Or just maybe you just have to.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I know a lot of people just want time for
themselves you know, like torelieve stress or do meditation
or go for that walk Do somethinggood for your health Now that
you have the free time.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
So is that something that you teach?
Well, I don't know.
I think you have to.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Well, I'm just going to say me personally, I noticed
that I've that recently Istarted developing a lot of bad
habits that were not in mynormal routine and they were not
healthy for me.
So I've had to go back and nowstart to create these healthier,
I think, awareness, yeah, andrealize, okay, I'm falling

(58:13):
asleep on the sofa, I'm notgetting good quality sleep, I've
got to stop this.
So now I've stopped watching TVat a certain time, so then I
turn it off.
So then now I go upstairs and II've created like almost like a
sleep routine that is becominga habit again, because it's so
easy to get out of your goodhabits and develop bad habits.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
So I think, being self-aware.
I think another issue is, whenpeople have free time, they
don't use it for for good.
Um, and I'm just thinking aboutdoing hard things, like in
building resilience right, maybethat I'm kind of thinking out
loud here, but uh, when you dohard things or you're busy

(58:57):
surviving, you don't have timeto think about all these other
things, right.
But when you do free up thattime, then how do you build up
that resilience?
Is that am I?
I don't know if I'marticulating- myself.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
No, I know what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Like, if we, if everything's just so easy, right
, what nothing is kind ofpushing back on you to grow or
to be resilient?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Well, you think everything.
This is another thing.
You think everything's easy,but I also think because of
technology that it's our brainsare constantly working, so I
think that a lot of people theirbrains get tired mentally.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
They're exhausted.
They're calling it technostress.
Yes and so you have these.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
I see this younger generation where they're talking
about I forget what they callit, but they're actually just.
You know how you have thosedays where you just stay in bed
and you don't oh, they call itrotting where you stay in bed
and you just don't do anythingand you're just.
You know you're, you're in bedall day long and I think it's
because we're getting they'regetting so stimulated in their

(01:00:06):
brain that they have to takethese days where they have to
recover.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
That's a terrible name.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
It's a terrible name, I thought it was terrible too,
but I've heard them say it likeit's like a common word now that
they say oh yeah, I spent a dayrotting and I'm like what?

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yeah, but is that really?
Is it really because they can'tdo anything else?
Or is it just like somethingthat somebody made up?
That's just like they don'twant to do anything else?
Right, although, like I don'tknow if I believe that, I guess
that's my because, even thoughthere's a lot of technology and
it's overwhelming and they havethis techno stress and it is

(01:00:46):
causing a lot of brain activity,right, people have been doing
hard stuff for how many years?
Like thousands and thousands ofyears.
Maybe it's just been different.
I don't know if I believe thatit's an actual.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
No, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Maybe for some and maybe for others.
You know, maybe they do reallyneed that just total nothing
happening for a certain amountof time.
But maybe it's just they thinkthat's what they need.
But if they were to go out and,like we said, do something good
with their like?

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
engaging nature, yeah , or just physical activity
physical activity oh I saw aterm, something, is it
exergaming?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
exergate anyway what is that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
virtual reality instead of just sitting there
with the goggles on.
You know you're going and doinga your class you're doing some
sort of training in the virtualworld.
Okay, so you're moving insteadof just sitting there, because
you know everybody has that umperception that the metaverse is
just going to make us all bethese people that have sedentary

(01:01:49):
couch potatoes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
But the reality is you can move around in it and so
I went to the space exhibit,the immersive virtual reality
space exhibit that was here.
Oh, I saw social media yeah,your photos.
And it was so hilarious, it wassuper fascinating.
I loved it.
But at the very end, uh, youwere still in the room and they

(01:02:13):
tell you to take your gogglesoff.
I took my goggles off and Ilooked back and there were just
it was the funniest sight,because these people were just.
These people were just walkingin circles randomly with these
goggles on.
I'm like that is so weird it is, but at least they were moving
right yeah I do.
I do think that, uh, technologyum teaches people to live a more

(01:02:36):
sedentary lifestyle, for sure,and being more conscious and
aware that this is happening, Ithink is super important.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I think that's I know it's happened to me.
That's why I mean I I a lot oftimes I'll go by things like
what I'm doing, but it's so easyfor me to get caught up and
start.
You know everybody jokes aroundthat we don't our my friends
and I.
We don't communicate with eachother anymore by sending texts
or messages.
We just send each other funnymemes constantly, all day long.
So you are, you know, you cansit there and before you know it

(01:03:05):
, like a couple hours have goneby and you just been scrolling
on.
It's easy to get social media,looking at videos, and there's
anything that you want to findout about or look at, or is
there?

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, so one more thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Yeah, I want to talk about.
Yes, I want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Is.
So I can see this beingbeneficial for, like you and
your, your mom, because they arestarting to integrate um uh
telehealth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Oh right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Into homes now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
And they can actually actually monitor all your
vitals.
Yes, through, yeah, throughapps, and they're they're even
going to have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
I don't know if they've already come out with
them, but I know that likesetting up a routine, so like in
the morning you could get upand you could get on the scale.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
And that could send information to your doctor
through telehealth.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
So, like for your mom you know she if there was
something like an app that shewas hooked up to and then you
had access to if anythinghappened while you weren't home
right, which is kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
I mean that's, my sister bought her the apple
watch after she fell um in 2017,and so it's kind of like that.
You know, it was just that wasthe extra security instead of
the life alert around her neck.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
you know the apple watch and I can't get up.
Did I just date myself again?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
But it does pick up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
You know your vitals and all that, yeah, and so Well,
I did read that they werecoming out with technology.
Well, they'll be able to detectif someone actually falls in
the home.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
So it'd be like a motion sensor.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Like almost like when you have your security system
and it's a motion sensor.
It's kind of the same thingthat they can set up and then
they can detect a fall, and thenI guess if they detect a fall
it could automatically call 911or call someone, so there are
things like that that are beingdeveloped that I think are great
.
Yeah, and just like you said,with the monitoring you know it

(01:05:10):
could eventually send all of youknow these things could just be
sent to your doctor and thenyour doctor maybe could alert
you if there's you knowsomething that isn't you know
that it's interesting to thinkabout the doctor side of it now
too just based on what you said,Sherry, about how technology is
affecting them.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Because now it's so great that you can message your
doctor on MyChart.
I mean, they finally came intothe 21st century.
It's just like you don't haveto just call.
Like you don't have to justcall.
But I just wonder too.
I've seen that commercial wherethey pick the doctor up on a
like a conveyor belt and theydrop her off.
And it's talking about healthcare it's like doctors, are just
like on these conveyor beltsand they drop in for a second.

(01:05:57):
They ask a question, they moveon to the next person.
So will the technology makethem less needed?
Needed?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
You know or not, as I don't know, involved Right?
Well, I will If they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Well, I see what you're talking about.
You're talking about like AI,like would AI come in?

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Well, no, just like if you're doing all this stuff
for yourself, so to speak, orhaving it monitored, and they're
just getting reports of it,like are they going to use their
critical thinking?
To put things together, or justlike okay, she's got high blood
pressure, give her somemedicine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Yeah well, I have a story.
I just treated a guy who wasdealing with some just general
generalized depression.
Right, he's just not happywhere his life is, he's just
bummed out and his I guessfamily and friends had said
maybe you should talk tosomebody, and so he got on one
of the apps to talk to somebody.

(01:06:57):
It was some tele, I don't knowif it was.
I guess it's consideredtelehealth but some kind of app
he got on and 15 minutes theydiagnosed him with depression
and gave him medication.
And he's like I, he didn't feelgood about it yeah and this was
a therapist and he just wantedto talk to someone to talk to
somebody and that's exactly whathe got, and so he was asking me

(01:07:19):
for my advice, uh, but Ithought that was really sad.
I mean like how, how often isthis happening and people are?
It's just like with like howoften is this happening and
people are.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
It's just like with anything now I mean, it's like
good people are going to do goodthings, with these things.
And bad people are going to dobad things with it.
Right, because if you have adoctor or a therapist who
doesn't really want to work,yeah.
But can figure out a way to dothis online stuff and make it
really easy on themselves.
You know, but then you're goingto have other ones that'll

(01:07:48):
still say you know, let's takethe time to really figure out
what's going on and decide.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
you need to do, but yeah, that's scary.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
And I tell my parents all the time I'm like you have
to be your own advocate, youknow like, you have to ask
questions, and if you don't,feel comfortable with somebody,
then you need to move on um,because and if they get mad at
you for asking questions, thenthat's their that's.
They're not the right, they'renot the right person for you,
because I think that it's goingto be happening more and more,
especially with the online stuff, and there's just something

(01:08:17):
missing the mental health sideof things, it's like weird,
because it's like you want morepeople to have access to it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
I was thinking when you were talking about cost of
things, or when I asked aboutcost.
It's like you want more peopleto have access to it.
I was thinking when you weretalking about cost of things, or
when I asked about cost.
It's like there is a certainlevel of person who can afford
an interior designer first ofall.
It's not something thateverybody can afford.
And then this technology it'sgoing to cost more.
And then it's like, who are thepeople that are going to get to

(01:08:45):
take advantage of these things?
And then, who are the peoplethat are going to get to take
advantage of these things?
And then, who are the people?

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
are going to get left behind.
Yeah, right, because it is.
It is expensive, like this.
Technology is not cheap, sowhen we're talking about
integrating your home and haveall the having all these things
in your home, it costs money.
So exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Yeah, and um, yeah, it's just who will have access
to it and who will benefit fromit, and then who will get left
behind.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I think is something to think about.
Probably more of a divide, um,that's what we need that's what
we need more of the haves andthe have-nots well, I think that
it is definitely coming and Ithink that in the beginning and
we talked a little bit aboutthis when you were- on the
podcast we talked about howexpensive it is.

(01:09:34):
But as soon as something comesout it's expensive.
But then you have thecompetition that comes in and
then it starts to lower theprice a little bit.
Right, but I don't know.
Our phones are still $1,000.
So I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Yeah, when is that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
of course, now we don't know it, because it's like
a thousand dollars, it's just athing now you just pay it
monthly, so you're just like,okay, just add an additional 30
bucks onto my bill, no big dealbut some people can't, you know,
I mean, it's still a thousanddollars, like it's well, you can
get yeah you can get freephones.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Now there's a guy can't get the latest and
greatest true, there's a um,have you guys, uh, read cuddling
of the american mind?
No, uh, his name is jonathanheidat heidat, um, I believe.
But he just wrote another bookand it actually I wrote it down.
Uh, what did I write that down?

(01:10:24):
The name of his book.
But it was about technology andkids and I'll have to see.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
There's a lot of research about technology and
kids brains, like theirdevelopment of their brains yeah
, it's um.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
I saw this guy, oh the anxious generation, how the
rewiring of childhood is causingan epidemic of mental illness,
and he believes that kids shouldnot have a smartphone until
they're like 16, that theyshould have a flip phone Because
it's rewiring their brains andcausing all kinds of mental

(01:11:04):
illness and they can't like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
There's certain parts of their brain that aren't
developed yet.
Yeah, and so that is causingproblems and it's and, and that
phase, like during during youradolescence and when you're
growing like, it's veryimportant for your brain to
develop in a certain way.
So it is, and and I was readingsomething about that too and it
maybe it was part of this partof that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah, he, he.
And he says that because Ithink one of the big issues
that's brought up to him is thatit's hard with kids because if
everybody's doing it, they feelleft out if they don't have a
smartphone, so how do youresolve that piece of it?
And he's saying not everybodyhas to do it, only a third of
the people have to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I have several friends that don't, they won't
allow their kids to have a phoneuntil they're in high school.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Or just a flip phone.
He's like they can text theirfriends, but just not a
smartphone, Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Right.
So I think that's superimportant, that they're not on
their phone constantly all thetime.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
So I think that's that they're not on their phone
constantly all the time.
So yeah, and that schools.
Jackie, do you have a problemwith that?
It's not really an issue, Imean it's college, but you do.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
I mean, I'll have to say, you know, a couple of times
during the semester like, ok,let's close our laptops and put
our phones down and listen.
To the person in front of theroom talking it's like they just
need the reminder, yeah.
And to the person in front ofthe room talking it's like they
just need the reminder, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
and then they slip back into the old habits again
yeah, yeah, you know, but it's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
It's not as big of a deal as you know I guess you
would think, but I guess youknow if you're 10 years old.
But I heard you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
You can like they have.
People can have their phones intheir classrooms, like in I was
surprised by that well,apparently a lot of um and this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
I don't know if it was a teacher who told me this.
I think it was a teacher.
No, she, she's, she's a mother,but she has kids in school um,
and she was telling me that alot of their classes are online
and so they need their phonesand computers to access the, the
, the um, the material oh, okay,interesting while they're in

(01:13:11):
school.
Yeah, I'm like, what's theteacher doing?
She's like nothing.
So I was kind of blown away,that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
It's just like yeah, there are people that are going
to like, just let technologytake over yeah and then there
are some people using it as anenhancement.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Yes, yeah, I see that .

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Well, I love technology.
I will be the first to say I dotoo.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
I think it's super great, it's exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
It's exciting, it's very exciting to see where we're
going to go, but I plan onusing it in positive ways, to
make me a better person andhealthier person and to excel in
my life Me too and not to takethe easy way out, because we got
to do hard things.
We got to keep moving and yeahdoing things and not letting,

(01:13:56):
and I like learning too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
So when this new stuff comes out and we have to.
You know we talk about, youknow, being older and learning,
but it's actually fun to learnit, it is.
And that keeps our brainsmoving and you know, going and
Well, I think this is going tobe an ongoing topic.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
I think so.
We didn't touch on sleep.
Oh, that's right, let's talkabout sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
That's a big one.
That's a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
You know, I never until and this is where I do
think it can be helpful right,because I didn't know that I was
only sleeping six to sevenhours of sleep.
Six, six to seven hours a nightof good sleep, good sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Well, I need eight.
I was going to say some peopleneed less than other people, but
I need eight.
I'm a.
I'm a more.
I need more.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
I need eight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
I need eight.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
I need seven to eight .

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
So I need eight, I need eight, yeah, I need seven
to eight.
So what are your thoughts?
Well, just, I was just, youknow, in terms of, like you know
, blackout shades and what is it?
The circadian rhythm and justrecognizing how important I
think that's the first thing isright, how important sleep is
Like.
If you don't have the sleepthat you need, then you're not,
you know, working to the best ofyour abilities and I think it's

(01:15:10):
causes stress and healthproblems, yeah, different health
problems.
So I think it's really important, like in interior design, you
could you know again, like havethe blinds come up, have the
blinds go down, whatever that isthat the temperature can cool
down oh, oh yeah, that's a bigone.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Turning off your phone.
I just go back to thisresiliency, like if everything
is so perfect, if we createthese perfect places right, this
perfect place to sleep, thisperfect place to function, where
does that leave us?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
I just there's, there's well, I don't know if
it's ever perfect.
I mean, there are a lot ofpeople that have problem.
I think a lot of people haveproblems sleeping.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
There's a lot of a lot of right, so your
environment can help.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Yeah, with that, of course no, I, I'm all for it, I
just question, you know well,that's what we're trying to
create this utopia right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
I get a lot of people that tell me that they want a
spa bathroom and slash.
You know primary suite.
They want to feel like they dowhen they go on vacation or
they're in a really nice hotelor spa.
That's what people want inthere.
That's what people are wanting.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
You can have steam showers and and if you have that
in your house, then what do youdo on vacation?

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
What do you do on vacation?

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
I mean like well, or you just feel like you're on
vacation, all the time in yourhome, and you're just always in
a good mood.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
I mean I can, I can see that.
I don't know if I have a spa athome, but I definitely like my
environment.
Well, you can set it up to spalike I guess you know I really
yeah, I could, I could.
They're about to redo ourapartments.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Oh really.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Yeah, they're redoing one right now as a model.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Oh, like the interior , the interiors.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Oh, so I'm kind of excited about it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
I told them I'd move out and they could redo mine
next, and then I'd move back inBecause they were just going to.
They're just going to redo themas people move out, uh-huh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Oh, I'm super.
Is there another apartment thatyou like in?
You know, in your?

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
you know like you could move?

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Yeah, Move into a different apartment, or do you
like the where yours is?

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Um, I, I like the location of mine, but I of mine,
but I, I've always wanted atwo-bedroom, uh, and the one
they're redoing right now is atwo-bedroom oh, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
But the only problem is, it's always a problem see
nothing's ever what is itupstairs or something no, it's
not upstairs, it's downstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Uh, it's the patio on the back that I'm not oh, that
you don't love.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
But we'll see, we'll see.
But I'm excited, I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Yeah, I'm super excited they're doing that.
Yeah, but yeah, I keep goingback to the resiliency part
because I just feel like ifeverything is, you know, we
don't have to do anything to doanything.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
What do you do?

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
well, you have more time to sleep and be autistic.
You can get more.
I feel like I would do reallywell with with more time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Oh, I would totally like if I could have somebody do
the things that I don't enjoydoing, or make things easier for
me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I'm all about it, yeah and I don't think I'm ever
going to quit working.
So I've always feel like youposted something one day about
being more productive in yourlater years.
Oh, uh-huh, and you're super,didn't you?
Wasn't that you that posted anarticle or something?
I think that was you.
I think it was you.
I'm pretty sure I have to goback and look at your social

(01:18:43):
media feed, but it was like youknow you productive, yeah um,
when you get older, between theages of, like I don't know, oh,
yeah, yeah yeah, that there was.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Oh, we're like right in the good we're in the good.
Good, yeah, yeah and it waslike 50s and 60s and then even
even 70s and 70s yeah, you werestill a lot, a lot of time to do
a lot.
Yeah, yeah, that's good so.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
I was like I just I like it, so if somebody would,
well, we have online bill,online banking now, so I have
all my bills set up, so I don'thave to pay my bills anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
But like groceries, I don't go to the grocery store
anymore.
I do I have and I did anexperiment, so um, I was
wondering if I was spending toomuch money having it delivered
because you pay.
I ordered mine through AmazonAmazon fresh and we can do that
here in Houston but um I youhave to pay a delivery fee and

(01:19:41):
then obviously you're paying atip to the person that's
delivering it.
So I was like am I wasting mymoney by, you know, being lazy
and having this?
But I hate going to the grocerystore.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
You get exactly what you need.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Yeah, so I did so.
I did my cart in Amazon andthen I went over to HEB's cart
and I did the exact same, triedto, you know, do the exact same
amounts and things that I wasordering, um, and then I was
going to do a pickup at andwhich I wouldn't have to pay a
delivery fee, and they don'tallow you to tip for that.

(01:20:16):
So that wasn't going to beincluded and it was still a
little bit over $15 less onAmazon and that was including
the tip and the persondelivering, so I feel like that.
So then I felt good about it,because then I was, because I
was feeling a little guilty I am, but now I feel good about it.
I'm like I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
I feel like I spend less when I order online and
that because I don't go but alsowhat stopped, what stops me
from doing is because they don'tpick the best vegetables.
Oh, and then sometimes they'rereally quick to say they don't
have that.
I'm like I know they have thatI've been, I've been.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Have you done?

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
amazon fresh yeah, they do well if they, because
they have uh whole foods yeah,but they don't this one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
They don't.
It's not whole foods, they havetheir own like warehouse with
their own groceries.
Now, no, I don't think so like,if you want something, if it's
going to come from whole foods,that'll come separately.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
It's called amazon fresh and I think they have a.
I haven't tried that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
I do hb hb is more expensive, yeah, and it's so
convenient, so now I don't feelguilt.
I was so excited.
I was like I'm actually savingmoney.
And time and time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
I love the grocery store.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
That's one thing I don't love.
I don't love the grocery store,and I don't know if they could
develop technology where again,where you could just drive up
and they pump your gas for youautomatically.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
It used to be that way.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Or just like an automated thing.
Now, I would love that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
No, like a you know automated thing.
Now I would love that.
Nope, I go, I go to whole foods.
I go to trader Joe's.
Now, I do love trader.
And then I hit H-E-B.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
They're all on, they're all on.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Alabama, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Yep, and I just go boom, boom, boom and sometimes I
even hit the pasta place.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Oh, that's a great homemade pasta.
Where is that Across fromTrader Joe's?

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
right, it's a little house.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
The name is escaping me right now but they do
homemade pasta and they havestuff that's already prepared
stuff.
They have a butternut squashravioli that I can eat there,
that I love.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
She's vegetarian.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Well, no, not really Dairy-free.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Dairy-free, but she's vegetarian.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Oh, you're a vegetarian.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Well not, really, you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Do you do dairy I?
Do you do dairy so you're avegetarian.
Yeah, you're not vegan.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
No, we tried vegan for a while, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
No, we tried vegan for a while, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Yeah, it was right before the pandemic and it got
really hard to go back.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
They have a butternut squash ravioli that is
delicious, but they probablyhave a cheese one too, that you
can.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
I wish I could remember the name.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
It's literally across the street from Trader Joe's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Yeah, it starts with an F, I think Is it um is it in
a strip center?

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Nope, no, it's in a house, it's a standalone house.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
It's got like a little neon sign out front right
A neon sign.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
I'm going to tell you the name of it right here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Fratelli, fratelli, yeah, I don't remember the name
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
But yeah, Trader Joe's is the only grocery store
and Whole Foods.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
I like I don't mind going to whole foods and I don't
mind.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah, I'm not.
I do most.
I get my big order from hb, butthen there's a couple things
like they don't have fabio.
Fabio, fabio's artesian pasta,just think of fabio, the
remember him.
The hair, the harlequin romance.
Were those the, the books?
Harlequin romance books?

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
now we're dating ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I didn't do.
I never read those.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
I just know fabio was on like a hundred covers cover
cover guy cover guy um well, doyou guys have any final words?
Any?

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
final thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
any final thoughts, I just think we gotta got to
embrace technology, I agree, andjust be aware of when it's
starting to take over.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Awareness balance.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Balance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
And use it for good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Use it for good.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Well, I'll be curious to see, from a health
perspective, how it improvespeople's health, because what I
have noticed over time is thatwe get all these new
technologies but our healthdoesn't change.
So I'll be curious.
I mean, like our, thecardiovascular disease, cancer,
all those, those numbers are allup.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Well, we can have all the gadgets in the world, but
if you're, you still have to useit Like.
You still like even theexercise, all the pelotons and
those um mirrors and everythingnow and everything's.
You know you can get all theseexercise classes online.
You still have to participate.
You still have to physically,yeah, participate.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
So that's the but if you have this amazing shark tank
, uh device, yeah, in your homethen people with diabetes.
I mean it should go down rightLike well they can afford it, I
guess.
I guess that's the other pieceof it, so so, multifaceted.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
So if they can't afford their medication, they
probably can't afford the the,the device, the cabinet the
cooking cabinet.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there's a lot of apps right,
that are free.
Yeah, yeah but it'll be curiousover the years to see, because
we'll have to come back to thisin 10 years.
We'll have to see what theresults are.
Yeah, yeah, all right, you haveany last thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
No, this has been great.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Yep, thank you.
Well, thank you guys for coming.
I hope you come back.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Thank you for having another episode of wellness by
design, fun wellness by design.
What do you?

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
think I like it yeah, yeah, we can talk about all
kinds of fun things oh my gosh,there's so much to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
I mean, you know, even when we were doing our
podcast, there were like topicafter topic.
I don't think we ever had a hada you know, because a lot of
people they say when people arestarting their podcast, like
they don't know what topics totalk about.
I don't think we ever had alack of topic, like when you're
talking about wellness and theneven design.
I mean, you can just like wedidn't even touch on a lot of

(01:26:24):
stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
You know there's a lot of stuff we didn't touch on,
but like there's like nudgedesign I would love to talk
about nudge design nudge design.
There's a book, there's a bookwe talk about no, we talked
about doing it.
We I think we talked brieflyabout it in one of the podcasts-
where you design a space thatinfluences or guides people

(01:26:45):
towards better options, like ifyou have a refrigerator that you
put the cokes in the very backand the water is in the front
mm-hmm stuff like that but youdesign a space like or city,
where you make the sidewalksreally wide and you make the a
lot of stops, like in talent intown, where it's faster for you

(01:27:06):
to walk than it is for you todrive Right, so it's nudge
design.
There's a book.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Like having like an um, like in, uh, a cafeteria,
like having the water rightthere like what you know.
Good access to water instead ofinstead of a Coke or a soda,
but I think it becomes reallyinteresting.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
I'm sure saren b would be a great place to look
at for nudge design.
Like I know, they put the um,the mailboxes in a high traffic
area so you're constantlyrunning into somebody.
Yeah, so you can have asocialization connection.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
It's the same it's, I gotta think, the.
I think I told you the name youcould look it up but it's right
outside of Atlanta.
The other one, and that's theydid a lot of um, that kind of
design where they're back to themailboxes and then they have,
you know that are all together,and then they have like little
community areas where they onearea has a fire pit then another
area has some barbecuegrillsills so it brings the

(01:28:06):
community out to socialize.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
That's just what good design is that's what I agree
because when you said that aboutyou know you don't have like a
wellness thing that you do.
Wellness is integrated into yesI felt this for a long time,
like people will come up withthese new things.
Like when you were saying nudgedesign, I'm like, wasn't that
what we're supposed to be?
Doing anyway, like really notdictating but, you know, guiding

(01:28:30):
people through our spaces and,and maybe with the health thing
in mind, it's a different aspectof that.
But yeah, it's just sort of likethese are all things, that just
what.
What makes good design gooddesign?

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
good design, yeah, and I guess it's the person
designing it right, like whattheir values are, because if
they don't value community, thenthey're not going to put that
into their design.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Sort of like when people started, you know people
wanted privacy and they started,you know, designing homes with
these back porches and backdecks and fenced in yards, and
then you lost the front porch,which was.
The front porch is a socialyeah, it's to socialize, You're
sitting lost the front porch,which was the front porch is a
social yeah, it is, it's tosocialize.
You're sitting on your frontporch and somebody walks by and

(01:29:13):
you say hello.
And you know I was fortunate inAtlanta because the street that
I lived on all of us had frontporches and they called us the
party street because we werealways on each other's porches
hanging out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
I love that hey such and such and I wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
I want another house with a front porch I might be
the only one out there like theonly one with one, but it was
very social and we were allclose, like we all, yeah, we all
knew each other and we were allclose with each other.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Yeah, well, and I think a lot of homes and
communities lost that they did.
I know I grew up in in atownhome community and there was
the pool.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Yes, but that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Yeah, you know, like the clubhouse, the community,
and there was nothing in it.
It was just if you wanted tohave an event there like a
birthday party for a kid, butother than that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
You know where I live , that you know that courtyard
that I have and it's well.
First of all, it was so that we, as neighbors there's three of
us that in the front, it's notwhere you drive in and go into
your garage, it is the actualwalk-in courtyard with benches
that you can sit in, and thearchitect, when I, when I the
architect, when I found out that, um, I read about how he

(01:30:26):
developed this and it was sopeople could socialize with each
other.
And he left it open so thatother people in the neighborhood
could come in and enjoy ourcourtyard.
And we actually have peoplethat come and sit on the benches
.
We've had photo shoots in thereand sometimes people come and
just sit and I remember one ofour neighbors.
He didn't really like that butI thought, well, what's the harm

(01:30:49):
?
Like I don't mind it if they'rejust sitting on our bench and
just hanging out.
You know, it was kind of kindof neat Right.
Yeah.
Yeah, but nowadays it's like, oh, we got to have privacy and
everything's got to be locked upon a fence, and, yeah, we need
to change that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
But yeah, what about your townhomes?

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Well, I was going to say it's like a mixed bag, right
, because it's a U shape.
There's 14 units and then the Ugoes around a courtyard and all
the people that I think there'sonly two of us that don't open
up to that back.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
It's pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
And there's a pool and it's all landscape, but they
don't have fences between themand the pool, so they're just
all open.
So I'm sure that was kind ofthe thought of that right but
the outside, you know, likewhere my corner is.
I even had I took it down, butthere were those spiked yeah, I
saw that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
when I saw that picture of your patio I was like
, oh, it looks so nice with thedoor.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Yeah, so there was these spiked like iron fence
that was on top of the woodenfence and they curved in.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Oh, I know what you're talking about.
It was like security, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
But it just looked like a prison.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
I'm just like that's got to come down.
I will person.
I'm just like that's got tocome down.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
I will say when I took it down though I was like
okay, I feel naked.
For a while it was just like,okay, that was weird, I didn't
realize what a barrier yeah,even though it was just open,
but it's still um.
But yeah, it looks so muchbetter without that weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
I still think about that town home.
I just wish I would have bitthe bullet well, there might be
another one.
I know you have to let me know.
Yes, yeah, she lives very likein between here and Memorial
Park.
Oh, okay, it's really close toMemorial Park it would have been
a perfect location for me.

(01:32:41):
What's the restaurantBackstreet?
Backstreet Cafe.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Backstreet Cafe and the Rice Box Rice Box.
The restaurant backstreet orbackstreet cafe, yeah, and the
rice box rice box.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Right across from that, there's like 14 of
townhouses, yeah, okay yeah, andthe one I was in the 70s, yeah,
but it was still they're nice,yeah, and you've you fixed yours
up and it looks really niceyeah, I mean it might.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Luckily they had done a lot of that, but so some of
them are still kind of original.
But I think it's new people arebuying them you know they're
renovating them, yeah.
But it's location, location.
It's a great location, yeah,and that one was a great price.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
I was just too nervous.
It was right after COVID.
It was hard.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Yeah, to make it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
I was just to make that commitment.
I think she wanted $250,000 forit.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
I mean crazy, Because it hadn't been redone, oh and
then you were going to have toremodel.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Yeah, but still, you know she knows people, I know
someone she knows people, sheknows people.
I know people.
I got a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
I think about you guys all the time.
So I went over to the newapartment that they're redoing
to see they're like come over,because I was like I have ideas
about mine.
And so he's like well, comeover.
So I went over, but this one'salmost completely gutted.
I was looking at mine as justlike not completely gutted, but

(01:34:02):
just cutting this wall in halfputting a bar here, know, taking
the tub out, making it a shower, uh, but um, when I went over
there and then when the possibleopportunity, maybe I can have
mine done, it's like maybe Ishould call jackie and candace

(01:34:23):
well, I hope that like we canjust like knock every wall down
and recreate something verydifferent.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
I hope that they don't when they redo it.
I hope that it doesn't lose itscharacter.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
The guy who?
The guy was there.
His name's Eric.
He's the one that did theoriginal.
Oh good, okay, transformation,okay, transformation, okay.
And John actually won awardsfor the restoration of the
apartments Okay good.
And it was funny because I toldthe guy the other day I was

(01:34:56):
like man.
One of my favorite parts ofthis building is that the
architect's name is still on thewall.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Yeah, he was like yes .

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
He was, like you know , that was painted over wall.
Yeah, he was like yes, he waslike you know, that was painted
over and he goes and I uh hadall the paint removed so we
could have that on the wall.
That's great, and um it was.
Uh.
They were built by the hobby.
I guess the hobby family oh hetold me that yesterday that's
really cool yeah, but so they'regonna make them a little bit

(01:35:26):
more modern, because they're artdeco yeah nothing on the the
outside is changing they're justgoing to change, they're still
going to do the nod to art deco.
It's not going to be yes butit's going to be a little more
modern on the inside.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
They're going to be nice tugs out and put showers in
.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Uh, they're going to knock out.
I have built-in uh, bookshelves, uh, and they're rounded, which
is kind of cool.
They're going to take all ofthose out and just really open
it up because it's it's not,it's not a very open they're not
very open spaces Right, yeah,they're very suction.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Here's your kitchen.
Here's your dining room.
Yeah, here's your living room.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
So, oh good, so I'm, I won't move.
When they do the model, we'llhave to go and check it out.
Yeah, yeah, be curious.
Yeah, they're going to take thecrown molding out of the
ceiling because there's somecrown molding up, but they're
still going to do like a thickbase.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
On the floor.
Good, so Exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
That is exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
All right, yeah, a renovation that you don't have
to pay for.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
But if they say all right, what would you want,
could you?
You guys are gonna have to come.
Yeah, I would love to.
I'm gonna have to.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
I'm gonna get that app and I'm gonna do a floor
plan for real.
I'll show you yes, and do afloor plan and it's pretty
accurate it's very accurate.
Yeah, we tested so even if youwere going to send plans off to
an architect, you would.
You would trust it.
Yeah, all right, you have toshow me.
Yeah, okay, well, I guess thatwe can wrap it up.

(01:36:56):
Great, we can wrap it up.
We've gone an hour and 30minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
So thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Thank you for coming.
It's been fun.
Come back.
I'm excited to come back.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
Come back to another episode of wellness by design.
Yeah, definitely.
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