76. Maternal Health & Wellness in Underserved Communities with Taylor John

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Taylor John, founder of Tay Talks, shares her expertise as a doula, researcher, and advocate for maternal health in underserved communities to help us understand the intersection of wellness, pregnancy, and relationship dynamics.

• Affordable wellness solutions include DIY heating pads (rice-filled socks with essential oils), community centers with holistic services, and free knowledge from social media creators
• The expansive role of doulas who provide emotional, physical, and informational support before, during, and after childbirth, with specializations ranging from birth to abortion, infertility, and adoption
• Importance of establishing boundaries with healthcare providers and understanding your right to request different care if feeling uncomfortable
• Culturally responsive nutrition guidance that accommodates traditional foods rather than eliminating them
• Practical stress management techniques including breathing exercises, visualization, and physical tools like stress balls
• How setting boundaries around personal space models healthy behavior for children and improves overall family wellness
• Finding community support through neighborhood walks, yoga classes, and local organizations if you lack a personal support system

If you'd like to connect with Taylor, you can find her on social media @TayTalks, on LinkedIn as Taylor John, or listen to her podcast "Tay Talks, Unapologetically Me" on all streaming platforms.

Additional Resources

• The Citywide Doula Initiative
• Delivering Change: Establishing a Birthing Center in The Bronx (Birthing Report)

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Episode Transcript

Naihomy (00:02):
Hello friends, welcome back to Wealthy Generation
Podcast Today.
I am really excited because wehave a guest on today's show.
We connected on Instagram, oneof my favorite places, because I
meet a lot of cool people there.
She is in public health, she'sa doula, she's a researcher and

(00:24):
she is a really big advocate formaternal health, nutrition and
those who have been harmed inrelationships.
So, taylor, thank you so muchfor being with us.
Please introduce yourself toeverybody.

Taylor (00:38):
Thank you so much, naomi .
Hi everyone.
As Naomi said, my name isTaylor John.
I am the founder of Tay Talks,which violence and being able to
have and share education aroundthe intersects between IPV and

(01:10):
maternal health, particularly inunderserved communities.
I am a survivor of intimatepartner violence myself and that
experience drives much of myadvocacy work today, but also my
research, which I'll be able toshare a little bit more in this
conversation.
Thank you so much for having me.

Naihomy (01:26):
Yeah, thank you for being on with us.
So I know like you touched somany different aspects of a
female's life and just goingthrough pregnancy and getting
pregnant and being inrelationships.
But one thing that you saidthat really just sparks my

(01:46):
interest and I would love totouch on is underserved
communities or lack of resources, and what do you do?
Because oftentimes it takes alot of resources or money or
accessibility to be able to takecare of yourself.
I think that wellness issomething that can get expensive
or it's very limited by youraccess and what's around you.

(02:11):
So, but I also do think thatit's possible to always do
something right, like somethingthat we might not know about
right.
So when we're talking about,let's say, holistic health and
maternal health, and you don'thave access to a lot of

(02:35):
resources, where is a goodstarting point?

Taylor (02:38):
Absolutely, I would say.
First, the starting point istypically right there in your
own home.
I feel like many people forgetthat they have a lot of
resources in in their kitchenright or in their bathroom.
One of my favorite tricks thatI use with my doula clients is I
fill a sock like this extralarge sock with rice and we add

(02:59):
some fragrance oils soeucalyptus, lavender, lavender
whatever scents they like and ifyou heat it up in the microwave
for about 20 to 30 seconds, itbecomes like a heating pad for
lack of better words and so it'sa place to offer comfort.
A lot of my pregnant folks useit, but also I've noticed a few

(03:22):
people who are going throughearly menopause or in menopause
actually use it as well for aplace of comfort.
And so super simple, right Rice, a sock and some essential oils
, and more than likely you havethose all in your house.
The other thing that I would sayis, if you have the means,
depending on where you live, ifyou're able to go to a community

(03:43):
center, that's a great place toget and seek holistic support.
So a lot of community centers,specifically into the New York
City area, they do havereproductive health centers they
have, and that component islike a split.
So, yes, they're offeringbirthing services, but then they
might have a holistic you knowwellness, right?

(04:06):
So they might have differentteas to try different trinkets,
they might even have yoga.
So community centers are reallyimportant and a huge component
of the work that I do, as I wastrained as a community doula and
so that focuses more on whatthe community needs, right?
So taking a more holisticapproach rather than an approach

(04:27):
from medicine, and reallykeeping community at the center.
So I would say, and apart fromthat, if you're unable to get to
those places, if you haveaccess to technology, to social
media, that is where you canfind a lot of creators, you know
, such as yourself, such asothers, who are sharing tips and

(04:47):
resources about the work thatthey do, and that's free, right,
most of the time.
Even if it's only 60 seconds,it's 60 seconds of knowledge
that you didn't have yesterday,and so I try to always encourage
and share different folks who Ifollow, and that's even how I
came about with your page.
You popped up and someonereposted you and I was like, wow

(05:08):
, that's really good informationto learn about.
So I definitely think thosethree things are at a reduced
cost and you know folks to lookinto.

Naihomy (05:17):
Yeah, the number one word that came to me, especially
with the sock example, isresourcefulness.
Right, just being resourceful,and I love that because it's
stuff that most likely you dohave at home.
It is not that expensive tohave, or you can pick up, let's

(05:38):
say, rice at a food pantry orsocks somewhere you know and it
is, it is something that'saccessible and I know.
Right before we hopped on ourconversation to record this
podcast, you mentionedtraditional practices and what
our ancestors did, and I thinkthat one thing that our
ancestors were extremely good at, even, let's say, one

(06:01):
generation removed, like myparents or something, is being
resourceful.
Yes, um, and I think that inthis current I I don't know
about the world, but at least inthe us a lot of times is what
new thing can we get?
What fancy thing can we get?
Or like trinkets for everysingle little individual thing

(06:23):
that you do, whereas you mighthave things that can serve for
multiple purposes and and itworks exactly the same at the
end of the day.
So I love this and I never eventhought about community centers
.
So, before we keep going, Inever even thought about
community centers, so before wekeep going, I just want you to

(06:45):
please explain what is a doulaand why are they useful?
And I ask this because I havetwo kids and I never knew about
doulas until way later on and Iwas like, why didn't I know?
This is part of the access andinformation piece that you're

(07:06):
talking about, because it issomething I don't want to have
any more kids.
But it is that one thing where,if anybody asks me for advice
on having children, I'm like youneed to speak to a doula.
So what, what, what do you doas a doulala?

Taylor (07:24):
so a doula?
That is my number one questionthat I get from everyone.
Every podcast I hop on, everyclient that I get um because a
doula, you know it's.
It's something that's new.
It's something that's new, butnot really doulas have been
around.

Naihomy (07:38):
I was gonna say I'm like where does that get?

Taylor (07:41):
they've been around years, but I think, current in
our current climate, our current, you know, world doulas have
been, have become the hot topic,and I think that's because of
social media.
I think the history of doulasand midwives and I'll touch on
what midwives do as well hasbeen an ancient practice in many
different countries for years.

(08:02):
So in Hispanic countries andAfrican countries, I mean all
over the world, midwifery andbirth work has been practiced.
But I do think, again, becauseof social media, because it's
becoming popular, which is agood thing, it's now, you know,
attracting people to say oh,what is a doula?
So a doula is a professionalthat's typically trained to

(08:23):
provide emotional, physical,informational support, labor
support and birthing support,either before, during or after
childbirth, and they essentiallyhelp the birthing person have a
, you know, an experience thatis designed for that individual.
So they're really like thesecondhand person in that

(08:45):
experience.
Now I will say that a doula canhave a range of a scope of
practice.
So for me, I am a full spectrumdoula, so I cover birth, labor,
postpartum, but I also am acertified abortion doula and so
I got trained to be an abortiondoula and provide abortion
services during my time workingat Planned Parenthood.

(09:06):
But you also have doulas thatoffer trauma support, right, you
have infertility doulas, youhave emergency doulas that you
know sit in terms of crises andadoption doulas.
So there is a range of servicesthat can be offered.
As a doula, you do get trained,but the typical ones that people
hear are birth doulas andthey're the ones that are in.

(09:30):
They're the ones that are inthe, you know like the labor,
the labor with you exactly,thank you, the hospital, and
then you have a midwife, right?
So midwife is typically atrained healthcare professional.
More than likely it's a nurse,because you do have to be a
certified nurse.
Midwife, a CNM and they providecare to people during pregnancy

(09:52):
, their childbirth andpostpartum, so they are also
providing the clinical care,versus a doula is unable to
provide the clinical care unlessthey have those credentials,
the midwife is the one thatessentially acts as a clinical
provider, right?
A midwife can deliver a birthwithout having a doctor or

(10:15):
anything like that, so they'recapable of doing that.
Both work together.
Oftentimes they're trained tohandle low-risk pregnancies as
well, so they can, you know,refer the birthing person to
different providers or assistwhen complications arise.
So if someone wants to have abirth at home, they would need
to have a midwife.
They don't need to have a doula, but the two work together.

Naihomy (10:40):
I'm mind blown right now because I had no idea that
doula has covered so manyaspects.
I literally thought it was justthrough birth and labor, the
like.
If I would have known this, Iwould have probably had yeah,
and you can't just hire a doulato only focus on one thing.

Taylor (11:02):
So, like right now, I have a client that I'm only
working with postpartum, so itdidn't help with the birth or
during the labor or evenprenatal, but specifically only
focusing on postpartum,adjusting them as a new family.
But I also had full, you know,from the minute to hey I think I
want to get pregnant all theway until the end.

Naihomy (11:24):
So it kind of ranges wow, and I didn't know that they
were infertility, doulas orabortion doulas, can you just?
like talk a little.
I literally I'm mindful, I'mlike what and I think it's so
brilliant because and we'llprobably get more into this I,
I'm, I'm kind of like diggingthis whole traditional,

(11:47):
ancestral and how a womanexperiences pregnancy and
postpartum now, because it's sodifferent and I feel like a
doula is kind of filling therole of what a community used to
do back in the day.
I think I would have probablybenefited so much at least from

(12:11):
a postpartum doula.
I thought that because I wasalready at least the second time
around going to have ascheduled C-section, that I
didn't need a doula, that Ididn't need a doula.
And boy was I incorrect by whatyou're sharing here.
So please, go ahead.

Taylor (12:33):
No, no, go ahead, that's I mean that's always the
misconception, right Is it'sonly during this time.
That's the biggestmisconception.
I even tell people like, for me, I personally extend my
postpartum care up to two years,sometimes more, because, like
you, if you have a second childright, that postpartum period
doesn't really stop and so youhave to balance right multiple

(12:55):
kids and there's so manystressors going back to work if
you're still, you know,breastfeeding both of your kids
or if you're not breastfeeding.
You had a C-section right.
I'm hearing so many things as towhy that could have been
beneficial during yourpostpartum right and that this
happens to so many other mothersand so many other people who
don't realize that, yeah, youcan still reach out to a doula

(13:16):
to offer help, even if you'vehad that baby six months ago.
Pick up the phone and call thedoula, you know, go to a.

Naihomy (13:22):
I want to hire a doula now.
My kids are 10 and 8.

Taylor (13:26):
I'm like I'm out Exactly , but it's, that's the reality
of it, right?
And so you mentionedinfertility, and I'll just touch
on that too.

Naihomy (13:35):
And the abortion piece and the abortion doula.

Taylor (13:37):
Yes, so the infertility doula still works with.
You know, the emotional,physical and providing
educational support right to thefamilies, but it's really just
focusing on infertility.
So they might offer guidancethrough fertility treatments.
Right, they might offer supportwith IVF supporting through any

(13:59):
emotional challenges that arise.
They might also help themnavigate any medical terms that
can come about right in thosevisits and overall the journey.
Sometimes, you know, withinfertility there is loss, so
the doula supports thatemotional component as well.
Right, there's a miscarriage,there's a stillbirth, creating a
safe space.
Right, a supportive space forthe family, creating a safe

(14:21):
space right, a supportive spacefor the family, for the person
who's caring, to offer themwhatever they need to heal and
to navigate that Infertility.
Doulas are there.
They're not as common.
I think it's you have to reallylook for them, and so there are
doula directories.
So in New York, for example,there's a doula directory and I

(14:42):
can send you the link to theshow notes if anyone's
interested but there is adirectory where you can search
doulas that are in yourcommunity.
I believe you just put in yourzip code and it kind of filters.
That's something that waspassed, I want to say, in 2021.
Bill was passed to have that,and then I'm also.
I lived in Atlanta for a littlebit, so Atlanta Doula

(15:03):
Collective they also have adirectory as well where you can,
you know, search and find thedoula that you need.
And then abortion doula youknow, again, same thing
emotional, physical, educationalsupport.
We all kind of get thatfoundation.
An abortion doula can be in thesurgical room to assist the

(15:27):
process of ending a pregnancy.
They can assist with theemotional and labor that happens
sometimes because in thesurgical procedure you take a
medication that creates these,you know labor signs, right, so
pain, a small contraction rightto release the beginning of the

(15:52):
fetus, and so that is a hugephysical.
You know intensity on the body.
I've had patients who are, youknow experience, body.
I've had patients who are, youknow experience, unfortunately,
a great amount of pain.
And so my role was to offersome comfort, and I had entered
in the clinic at the time and Iwas like this is something that

(16:13):
I think would be reallybeneficial, and I had a manager
that was amazing.
That was like, okay, let's,let's get you signed up for
doula care and get you trained.
And that's exactly what I did,and I ended up being an abortion
doula for two years before evenbeing a birth doula and with
that work right, you're workingwith families.
A lot of the times, my patientswere kids.

(16:36):
They were like me.
They were either even youngerthan me I'm 24.
So they were.
A lot of them were younger thanme, and so being able to give
that care to someone who lookedlike me as well was really
impactful work and I think um,you know, I think it's a touchy
subject.
Sometimes when I say that I'man abortion doula, people are a
little bit reserved um and I,you know I think that's, that's

(16:57):
normal, right, uh, our currentclimate on on abortion access
and services, right.
But also we go back to thatgenerational conversation right
About, I know my elders.
You know abortion never existedin their world.
It were, you know, made to havechildren, right, caribbean
culture, chinese culture, thatwas the mindset and you know

(17:20):
it's different.
And so I think that's theabortion doula is definitely
something that is not as easy,not as accessible, but they
exist and so if you can find itthrough those services that I
provided the directory or even asimple Google search you know
that they have that even in yourlocal parenthood.
Not all of them have it, butsome of them do have a doula on

(17:42):
site.

Naihomy (17:43):
Yeah, thank you so much much.
Did you say you were 24 yes 24oh my goodness you're such a
baby god bless you for doingthis work and having so much
knowledge.
At 24 I was, I don't even wantto remember what I was doing, so
thank you for like sharing somuch information that is so

(18:10):
needed, desperately needed inour communities.
And to tie it back to accessand resourcefulness, right, you
gave us a lot of tips as towhere we can find a doula.
Is there a way to have a doulacovered by insurance?
Or do you know this information?
Insurance is it always out ofpocket?

(18:31):
Are there non-profits thatsponsor?
How can we?

Taylor (18:37):
that's a great question so the short answer is no,
doulas are not covered byinsurance.
The hope is that they will becovered by insurance, and I
think that's something thatdoulas in New York specifically
have been advocating for is tobe covered by insurance.
Because doula services canrange it can be as little as

(19:00):
$300 to $5,000 or more, right,and when you talk about access,
when you talk about resources,not everyone can afford that
out-of-pocket expense.
So, which is why you tend tohave community doulas who either
are providing services at areduced cost payment plan,
sometimes for free, or maybeeven offering services in

(19:23):
exchange.
So you know, for example, youknow if you wanted to offer me
nutritional and you know healthcoaching, and I offered you my
doula service.
A lot of doulas they tend to dothat as well and really just
try to work with the family.
Right, our goal, at least mygoal is not to make a dollar.
Of course I I have those too,but if I know that you really

(19:44):
need help, like I'm going tofigure out how to make it work,
because five thousand dollars isnot something that you can
easily flip out.
Right um, communities that looklike us that we serve, right um
, and so just being mindful ofthat.
So where can you?
Where can you get it?
So I mentioned those paymentplans, which I think most people
prefer.

(20:04):
They do a payment plan forhowever long they need and it
works out for them.
I also have a community birthworker fund, so those that would
like to donate to it can eitherdonate on my website or through
Venmo.
And then I also have things thatI do.
I do a community baby shower, aregistry list, and so that's on

(20:29):
Amazon and people can buythings for, you know, new
families, mothers, babies, andthen I give them to a family
when it's time, and so those aredifferent ways, and a lot of
doulas do this.
They, they have a registry.
A lot of us have funds that youcan donate directly to us, and
that not only helps us providethe services right, but it

(20:50):
provides the resources for thefamilies.
And then, lastly, again goingback to the birthing centers and
the community centers, a lot ofthose places do offer
scholarships where families canapply.
They, you know, evaluate.
So those are definitely thingsto look into, and charities not

(21:10):
so much.
You know, we kind of touched onthat.
I think it's mainly a communityeffort.
There are some grants, though,that do exist.
So if there is a partnershipwith a community center and then
a grant.
They might be federally funded,and so that's something that
people can look into too.

Naihomy (21:28):
Yeah, thank you so much for this information.
So what is something that wouldbe super helpful for women to
know before they get pregnant orif they're thinking of starting
a family almost at every stage,what's something that would be

(21:53):
useful for them to know?
I know that when I was, youknow, wanted to get pregnant or
while I was in pregnancy, Ididn't know that much, and I am
a health and food hormone healthcoach now and sometimes people
ask me if I knew all thisinformation before I got

(22:16):
pregnant and during pregnancyand I was like no, I was like
out here doing all the thingsthat you're probably not
supposed to do, and my wellnessjourney actually started after I
had kids.
And I think about it now andI'm like, wow, I would have
probably had a very differentexperience if I would have known
this information beforehand.
So is there anything thatyou're like this is such useful,

(22:39):
such a useful piece ofknowledge or tool for you to
have when you're thinking ofhaving kids, during pregnancy or
after?

Taylor (22:47):
Yeah, Absolutely, and I'll kind of pull from my public
health knowledge too, if that'sokay.
I would say the first thing, andyou already touched on this
education.
So get as much information aspossible.
Knowledge is power, right, butempowering yourself and your
partner through education isimportant.

(23:07):
And so you know, starting okay,start from the very beginning.
I want to have a child, right.
I want to get pregnant.
What do I do?
I like to say Google is thebest friend, but not really,
because there's lots of myths onGoogle.
So use trusted resources, right.
You have Mayo Clinic, you haveNIH, things like that, where you
can get resourceful informationand things that are

(23:32):
fact-checked.
The other thing that I would sayis understanding boundaries and
consent when it comes towellness.
As you're navigating thatprocess in the clinic, in the
hospital, in meeting an OBmeeting a GYN meeting, whoever,
meeting an OB, meeting a GYNmeeting whoever you have to

(23:59):
understand that that is aboundary is so important to
maintaining your physicalwellness and your emotional
wellness, and that's a big partof my practice in understanding
and empowering my clients that,hey, if you don't feel
comfortable with your provider,you have the right to leave, you
have the right to ask foranother provider and when you're
experiencing something that'svery invasive right, ivf you're
getting routine checkups everyweek.

(24:21):
You need to feel safe, and sothat's something that I always
say do extra research on yourprovider, have someone go with
you.
That's where the doula comes into support you in that space,
and it's not just in regards tosexual context, right, but it's
also vital for respect andwellness in this space, and so

(24:41):
if you feel like you can trustyour provider, you feel like
your provider is doingeverything that they need to
help you get to your goal, thenthey are going to do that.
That's the hope, right.
It's a mutual respect, and so Ialways talk about just
boundaries in that setting.
The other thing I would say isthe nutrition component.
So one of the things and I'msure you can touch on this a lot

(25:04):
, but is drinking water.
That is something where I getso many clients who they oh yeah
, I drink a lot of water.
I drink two bottles today.
Like that's not a lot of water.
I drink two bottles today likethat's not a lot of water.
Here's how we can incorporate.
You know you don't like thetaste of water.
That's people tell me all thetime like, okay, well, try some
lemons, try some mint, try somestrawberries in your water.
There's ways that you canenhance your water.

(25:25):
Don't drink all those sugarypackets that are filled with
processed sugars.
You're not getting anynutrients from that, right, um?
And so I will say that'ssomething I think water plays a
huge role just in everything.
Right, when you talk aboutpregnancy and um constipation,
right, water is the solution.
Right, you talk about, um,infertility and just the amount

(25:49):
of treatments that you get ifyou you're on you're on so much
medication, right, it's going tomake you drowsy.
Making sure you're eatingnutrient dense food, right,
packed with proteins, fibers,green leafy vegetables.
If you don't like thosevegetables, throw it in a
smoothie, like that's my go-to,and so that's all going to help
with your you know your brainfunction.
It's going to help reduce yourstress.

(26:11):
It's going to help lower yourblood pressure.
So, if you're coming into thiswith high blood pressure, that's
something to make sure thatyou're, you know, checking out.
The other thing that I'venoticed lately is thyroid
concerns, and so that'ssomething that I I mean I have
hyperthyroidism, but somethingthat I'm kind of navigating more
in my research and so I don'thave a an exact answer for that,

(26:34):
but I have been recommending myclients to see an
endocrinologist if they, if theypresent with you, know thyroid
concerns, fibroids or even highblood pressure, that is like my,
my referral, like we need tosee an endocrinologist that's
run some labs and double checkbefore we kind of talk a little
bit more, because even that,like you, may not be able to

(26:58):
have salty foods, right.
So thinking about things, um,like that and then overall, um,
lastly, is having a supportsystem.
You need to have a supportsystem in in this journey.
I oftentimes, you know, havefolks that are they seek me
because of my trauma experienceand they seek me for for that

(27:20):
care and and that's great, butyou all, you need someone else
to.
Your doula is your primary andbut your primary in the daytime
I feel like, right, unlessyou're on call, it's not the
person that you're living with,right.
So establishing a supportsystem, someone to really be
there for you is only going tohelp you before, during, after
and several years later, whenyour kids are 15 and 20, you

(27:42):
know.
So those are some basic thingsthat I think you know, immediate
things, resourceful things thatpeople can kind of start with.

Naihomy (27:51):
Yeah, I love that first one on boundaries and knowing
that you have the option ofchanging providers, because with
my very first pregnancy I justgot matched up with an OB and I
did not have a good experiencewith that person and I felt very
uncomfortable.

(28:11):
The bedside manner wasn't thereand I just didn't even know
that I could be like, hey, Ineed another doctor and it can
cause even more trauma.
I feel like you're already goingthrough this life changing
experience.
Your body's changing.

(28:31):
There's a lot of thingshappening happening.
You have all these doctor'sappointments, people are poking
and prodding and now there'ssomebody who treats you like
it's not, it doesn't matter,it's not a big deal, right?

Taylor (28:44):
yeah, I'm sorry you experienced that, um, but yes,
that that is something that I Ithe first thing I try to empower
in my first consultation callis because that's why people
seek a doula.
Nine out of 10 times they seekit because they're having a
negative experience, right, andI'm like, okay, well, that's I
understand.

(29:04):
I hear your concerns.
What are we going to do now?
You have the right to ask foranother doctor.
You have a right to ask foranother nurse, anyone who's in
that room.
You don't have to be seen ortreated by them and that's.
There's nothing wrong with that, and I think if more people
knew that, we would probablyhave less of these traumatic
experiences that folks enter,because it could really be this

(29:27):
simple switch and, like you,like you're saying a lot of
times, people get matched withtheir provider.
It's not something that they areindividually seeking right and
it's, you know, based off ofcompatibility or availability,
and that may not necessarily bethe best person to seek.
So, yes, I definitely encourageyou know to ask and ask
questions to your provider.
It is okay if you know theydon't know the answer.

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It's okay if you wantclarification.
That's their role.
Their role is to provideclarification.
And if they can't give that toyou in that moment and they have
to go find or consult withsomeone, that's okay and it's
also okay to get a secondopinion.
I always tell people that too.

Naihomy (30:05):
Yeah, I know, the second time around I
specifically picked my providerand the experience was totally
different.
So thank you and I just want tosay that this goes across the
board.
For any doctor, like we'respecifically talking about
pregnancy right now, or obese,but I also encourage all my

(30:26):
clients, whatever doctor theyhave or whoever they're building
a relationship with, same rulesapply.
You should be able to feelcomfortable, talk to them, ask
questions and have this mutualrelationship.
Right, it is your health and Iunderstand they're a
professional, but they should beable to not be annoyed with you

(30:49):
or try and help you understandor pull other resources that you
might need is not just like youhave to listen or you can't get
a certain second opinion.
You can't question them becauseyou're the one that's always in
your body, right, um, so thankyou for bringing that up.

(31:25):
So, thank you for bringing thatup Community.
You mentioned community, havingsupport, usually safe at home.
Who does not have a community?
She might find herself pregnantor with a new baby.
What, what can you sharesomeone with that experience?

Taylor (31:49):
It's like a tough question, but not really,
because there's a lot of layers.
First thing I would say is, ifyou're, if you're listening to
this and you are in a space thatyou can get to safety, go to
safety, um, so wherever that is,if there's a space, there's a
community center, your job.
A lot of times we see, I seeclients who are in are living

(32:12):
the sexual harm and relationshipharm in that moment and they're
either pregnant or they'vealready had the baby and they
are trying to navigate.
Where can I go?
So you know, of course there'ssocial services, there's the
police, but that may not alwaysbe the option for people, right?
Not everybody wants to reportand so find, find comfort in
whatever your safe space is, andif that safe space is your

(32:34):
doula, that's okay.
They should be hopefullytrained to know what to do and
navigate.
The other thing that I would sayis make sure that you're taking
care of yourself and if you'realready you already had the baby
care for the two of you, right?
Or three of you if you havetwins.
Healthy relationships arefoundational to our wellness, to

(32:58):
our identity, right?
And it's really important tocheck in with your physical and
mental health, whether that'sseeking mental health services,
which a lot of services can befree offered in your, your
community or it's talking tosomeone.
Sometimes you just need laborof love and support, and so find
that in a community center.

(33:19):
I encourage you if you don'thave anyone at home, if you
don't have siblings, if youdon't have family or friends,
right, you move to a new placeand you're suddenly living in a
home with your abuser.
Go outside, go for a communitywalk.
I'm sure you're going to findsomeone along the way who's also
walking their baby in astroller or walking their dog

(33:40):
right.
Find comfort in, you know, achurch if you're interested in
advancing your faith.
Find comfort in joining a yogayou know session.
A lot of communities offer freeyoga, especially mommy and me
yoga.
That's a great place to meetpeople and to feel comfort in
that.
Yoga is a big part of my processand transformation and my

(34:04):
healing journey as a survivorand the way that we hold so much
trauma in our body.
Yoga is a great way to releasethat, and so I definitely would
encourage that and also identifyand notice that your trauma can
show up in physically andemotionally and mentally right.
So note where your trauma isshowing up.

(34:27):
So if you're at home and you'restarting to feel it in your gut
, right, what does that mean?
Have some reflection on that.
If you notice your eatinghabits have changed, right, if
you're not eating as a mom, youcannot nurse your baby, right?
It's just facts.
Your baby relies on yournutrients, right, and so,
especially during pregnancy.

(34:47):
So make note of that, identify.
Okay, I'm having a very hardtime at home, but my baby is
also suffering too.
We both are and we need tofigure out what can we do.
Right, and you mentionedearlier naomi food pantries
right there's.
You can get services at at thechurch right, or at local
organizations, community-basedorganizations that are handing

(35:08):
out groceries, right.
So you have a partner that isin charge of your finances and
you have no way, no control ofyour finances.
There's a resource right there,a food pantry, right.
So, just again, thinking aboutbeing resourceful and knowing
that you're not alone in this.
There are so many people,unfortunately, that are
experiencing relationship harmand you will get through this.

Naihomy (35:33):
Thank you so much.
I know previously you mentioned, when you were talking about
water, high blood pressure andjust making sure that you are
getting enough hydration.
I know something that alsocomes up a lot is gestational
diabetes.
That can be impactful in thepregnancy.

(35:55):
It can be impactful for thebaby as well.
So any words on that.
I know it goes a lot hand inhand a lot of times with
nutrition and sometimes ifyou're not sure what's going on
with your health before you getpregnant, then it might carry
over.
So what do you see in terms ofhigh blood pressure, gestational

(36:19):
diabetes, in the work that youdo, or in the public health
space too?

Taylor (36:25):
Women with twins are most likely to have diabetes,
and so that's something to justbe aware of.
A lot of times it can bereversed, right, and so with
diet, with exercise, with youknow substituting certain things
that you're accustomed to.
So I always tell people, yes,okay, you might be diagnosed

(36:48):
with, you know, diabetes rightnow and it's alarms, right, but
understand that more than likelyyou can reverse it, and so
that's just something to bemindful of.
I do tend in in research wetend to also see risks for the
baby.
So preterm birth and then alarger size birth, so the baby

(37:11):
is at an abnormal, you know,weight and height range, which
is the cause to the diabetes,and then we also do see like an
increase of obesity right laterin life for the child, and so
that's something to also bemindful of.
Any advice that I would say.
I'm definitely an advocate fora wellness health coach.

(37:34):
So if you have the capacity toeven, you know, just do a
consult.
Most of the time they are.
I know a lot of folks who offereither free consultation or
reduced fee might be like $50 orsomething like that.
That's a great place to startIf you have you know, if your
insurance, your insurance covers.
You know, seeing a nutritionistor a dietician, that might be a

(37:55):
good start.
Um, however, I, based off of myown experience, I had someone
tell me okay, you can't eat anymore rice, you can't do this,
can't, can't, can't, can't.
And I was like well, I grew upin this, you know caribbean
household, uh, filled with cuban, jamaican, and you know dianese
and chinese ancestry, so that'simpossible.
Rice is at every meal.

(38:15):
And I ended up meeting withanother dietitian who is it was
Caribbean, and she was thehealth coach and she was like,
okay, that's fine, so great, youhave your rice and peas, but
you need to have this much ofvegetables, right, and you need
to have this much of protein.
You can still enjoy your rice,you can still do this, right.
Or you want to have, you know,a sugary drink?

(38:38):
That's okay.
Do you need to have six sugarydrinks in the day?
No, we could probably do justone or two, right, and so,
offering substitutions, I think,if you have a capacity to
explore that, that would be good.
And then, just overall, I willsay most women with diabetes can
have a healthy pregnancy andthey can deliver healthy babies.

(39:01):
So it's not to alarm you, but Ithink it's to be.
The diagnosis is not to alarmyou, but it's to be aware, right
, of the potential risks thatcould happen during your
pregnancy, after, and thenpotential risks that could
happen during your pregnancy,after, and then potential risks
that could happen for your childin the future.
So try your best to you know,seek medical guidance to support

(39:21):
, but also to see what you cando at home.
Right, can you go on a fewwalks?
Right, and can you, even if youspend 20 minutes outside, just
start somewhere.
I think the importance is justto start and not to be
overwhelmed by the diagnosis,overwhelmed by the amount of
pounds to lose, overwhelmedabout how you look or how you
feel.
Just start, you know, and ifyou can't do it by yourself, do

(39:45):
it with a friend and findcomfort in that too.

Naihomy (39:49):
Yeah, Two very good points here the fact that I
think that's the scary part formost people when it comes to
making a nutritional change.
Where it's like you, there'sthis fear of not eating any more
familiar foods or foods thatyou grew up with or that you

(40:11):
enjoy.
And I'm really happy that youfound a nutrition expert who
told you that it's okay to havecultural foods and this is.
I think that this really paintsa picture as to why somebody
who has cultural relevance a lotof times is able to help you in

(40:35):
a less scary.
Or because I find that hearingdon't have rice, don't have
noodles, don't have this, don'thave that it's so overwhelming
and it's like, well, what?
What am I going to eat?
What am I going to enjoy?
Food is also community and loveand culture and all of these

(40:55):
different things.
So, yes, culturally relevant,cultural relevance, is important
.
Again, going back to if it'snot somebody you connect with,
if there's a lot of don't dothis, don't do that, no, no, no,
I think it's kind of a red flagtoo.
So, just going for the secondopinion.
So just going for the secondopinion exploring here is very

(41:21):
important.
And I know I mentioned twothings, but the second one just
flew out of my head.
What was the second?

Taylor (41:33):
thing you mentioned.
I'll come back.
What did I?

Naihomy (41:36):
say, oh my God, oh, it was going for walks.
I remember you're like, juststart.
And that's another thing where Ifind that there's this zero to
a hundred or all to nothingmentality where it's like well,
if I can't work out for an hourthen I might as well not do
anything, or if I can't go sevendays a week, then I might as

(42:00):
well not do anything.
But there's so much benefit atjust doing the 10 minutes of
just being at least.
Now you know it's gettingwarmer, but even if it's winter,
just bundling up and gettingsome sort of sunlight, there is

(42:24):
power and benefit to a shortwalk or workout or being outside
.
So giving yourself the grace ofit's not going to be perfect,
it won't ever look perfect andjust fitting in what your
capacity allows can be just asbeneficial as doing whatever you
think you should be doing.
Absolutely, absolutely.

Taylor (42:42):
and I I add to that too, in that I think, especially
with diet culture right now, youhave things like 75 hard, 75
softs and all the 75s, and thenyou have, you know, people using
um ozembe or seeking you knowsurgery, which you know, all
things that you can have.
But I think it's thatperfectionist, that pressure,

(43:04):
that folks, other folks who maynot be able to afford surgery,
who may not be able to affordmedical treatment, right Again,
feel like, okay, if I can't workout for an hour, if I can't
lose five pounds in a week, thenthat's it, just throw my hands
up, throw all the papers away,right?
But to understand thateveryone's journey is different.

(43:26):
Everyone has health concernsthat are different.
Every metabolism is different,every body shape, size are all
different and you are a uniqueindividual, right and what.
What is going to help you maynot help me, right, and what
helped that person who was onOzempic may not even help me if
I was on Ozempic, right.
And so I was trying to justpaint that picture because of

(43:50):
the influence of social mediaand I'm guilty of it too, you
know, I'm guilty of seeing allmy friends do these things and
I'm like, wow, why can't I looklike that yet you know.
But the reality is is that ifwe remove ourselves from the
social media, we removeourselves from this
perfectionist mindset and wejust step outside or step on the

(44:10):
treadmill or ride the bike, dothe fun things that we love.
Right, you're going to noticechange.
It may not be immediate, butyou will notice change, right?
and I think just keeping,keeping the focus, keeping the
tunnel vision is reallyimportant.
But also, hey, if you don'tlike to run, that's okay.
If you don't like to go on awalk, that's okay, find
something that you like to do.
I remember when I was younger,when I was navigating obesity, I

(44:34):
loved to go on skateboard, andthat is what I did.

Naihomy (44:38):
I was on the scooter, yeah those are my two things,
right.

Taylor (44:42):
I didn't like running.
I don't like team sports.
Um, I dance.
I did dance a lot when I wasyounger.
Those were like my three thingsthat I was really invested in,
right.

Naihomy (44:50):
So I think, just find something that you like and just
do it yeah, I'm glad youmentioned well it just came up
like Ozempic and surgery and allthat and the contrast between
starting with something that youlove because and then seeing
fast results, and that's this issomething that I've spoken

(45:13):
about a lot recently, becausethis is microwave culture
Everything is fast, Everythingis instant your mother says,
yeah, like everything is rightaway, but I really don't care
how fast you get results andwhat your results look like.

(45:33):
I always love to see whathappens in the long run.
Love to see what happens in thelong run.
How are you able to keep upyour results?
And it always goes back to whatyou suggested in the first
place is in the slow and steady.
So, building the foundation ofthe discipline and movement,

(45:54):
finding something that you enjoybecause there's a ton of things
that you can do, finding thefoods that serves you and the
proper balance that serves youin your body, that is what is
going to allow you to get goodresults, and by good results I
don't mean thinness.
I want to clarify that.

(46:14):
By good results, I mean beinghealthy in your body, and that
looks different and differentsizes for everybody.
So I want to make that clear,because a lot of times we assume
that health equals thin and itdoes not.
Health equals what does yourblood work say?
How do you feel in your body?

(46:34):
You know those kinds of things.
There are a gazillionillionyeah, metrics and that takes
time.
So even if you go, let's say, onozempic or have surgery or
whatever, those are all toolsand that's cool, you'll still.
I highly encourage you to learnthe foundation of movement of,

(46:58):
so that you're able to maintainwhat you're going through anyway
, because it doesn't sound easyto go through surgery, it
doesn't sound easy to be onOzempic, just by experiences
that people share with me.
So might as well do thefoundational work to support
your results in the long term.
And yeah, and something I usedto enjoy doing because sometimes

(47:25):
too, it's like, let's say, youhave young children, it's like,
oh, I don't have a babysitter, Ican't leave them, it gets
expensive.
Something I used to love doingwas working out with my kids.
And yeah, I would.
They're free weights, people.
They are free weights and youget to play with them.

(47:47):
The exercise might not lookquote unquote, perfect, you
might miss a few steps, butguess what?
You're also teaching your childabout a lifestyle shifts that
you might be having, which ismoving your body.
So I used to squat with my kids.
I used to dance with my kids.
I now see these amazing babycarrier classes that were not

(48:10):
around when my kids were little.
So I I bought my kid little onepound weights when they were
old enough and because they usedto see me with mine, they saw
them at like five and below.
They're pretty inexpensive.
So them having their own littletools will get them really
excited and, trust me, they'reexcited for all of max 10

(48:32):
minutes and then they'll move onand do something else and you
will get to move more than youthink.
And it's also good that you'reexposing them to this kind of, I
guess, behavior or wellnessright.

Taylor (48:48):
Absolutely yeah, and offering them.
You know like health promotion,right, it's like something that
we talk about all the time inpublic health.
How to you know, navigate andbreak the cycles of maybe poor
health?
You know environments that theyeither cycles of maybe poor
health.
You know environments that theyeither saw when they were
younger or even you experience,right, and how do you switch the
focus on the next generationand ensure that they're getting

(49:10):
quality healthcare?
You know nutritious food,mental health support, education
all these things are part ofhealth promotion, so I love that
idea.
That's great.

Naihomy (49:28):
Awesome.
The last thing I want to coveris stress, Okay, and how it
impacts us.
I know that we've spoken a lotabout movement and about food
and the impacts that it has, butthe truth is that I always love
to remind my clients of this itdoesn't matter how perfect your
diet is quote unquote for youright how great your exercise
routine is, If we do not learnhow to manage our stress, it's

(49:50):
all out the window.
It will completely take over.
So please share with us.

Taylor (49:57):
Stress is.
Well, I think.
First, what is stress?
Because I think you know a lotof people tend to not know, and
you know stress is your naturalreaction, your body's natural
reaction, right when, whenthings are no longer in your
control, when there are changesthat happen, when there are
challenges, when things shift, Ithink is when you have this

(50:20):
hormone right that triggers thestress hormone right Now.
It can result in physicalresponses, you know, emotional
challenges, right and behavioralresponses, so that can look
like screaming, crying, yelling,laughing A lot of people laugh
when there's stress right.
That looks like someone shuttingdown right, someone
disconnecting, and it can leadover time right To behaviors of

(50:46):
anxiety, depression, right,things like that where you're
really isolating yourself andyou're now at an increased risk
of having severe depression.
It could also look like memoryissues, right, and so struggling
with remembering little thingsbecause you're tired when you're
stressed, more than likely notsleeping, and sleeping is very

(51:08):
important, no matter whatanybody says.
Sleeping is so critical for ourhealth and it's really
important that you're getting asubstantial enough hours of
sleep, and that looks differentfor everyone.
Some people can function infive, four hours of sleep.
Does that mean that's okay?
No, but they probably trainedtheir body right.

(51:28):
A lot of the times people, somepeople, need 10 hours of sleep,
right.
So, honoring and acknowledgingthat Stress, chronic stress
right.
Can increase your heart rateand your blood pressure right,
so if you are very upset and youalready have high blood
pressure, that is not a good mix.

(51:50):
You can elevate your bloodpressure significantly to the
point where you might even haveto be hospitalized right so you
can have, you know, othercardiovascular issues that could
arise.
But also, stress can affect ourbowel movements.
It can affect, in women, our pHlevels.

(52:11):
Right, and thinking about that,you know, I, literally right
before I got on this, I hadsomeone text me and was like I'm
feeling like not really well,I'm smells like fish down there.
What is this, what's happening?
And I was like, okay, well,what's happening right now in
your life?
Like what is going on?
And they had an event at workand she's running this event and

(52:32):
running this conference, thatyou're probably stressed and
like you need to drink the water.
Try to flush it out, have somecranberry juice.
If you can eat some fruits,what did you eat today?
Right?
So acknowledging that we'vealso seen stress can lead to
stroke, um, because of the highblood pressure, right.
So, um, you could be at riskfor that.

(52:53):
We mentioned diabetes earlier,right.
When you have, um, the insulinresistance, right, that can lead
to stress and lead to thatwhich elevates your diabetes,
your blood pressure level somuch, so great.
We know what stress is, but howdo we navigate it?
One of the things right herethat I have is a stress ball, so
I keep that at work.
I love that.

(53:13):
Squeezing all the time alsojust helps because I'm always
typing, so that's something thatI help for my wrists and my
fingers.
I love walks.
That's my thing.
Going on a long walk, um waysthat you can talk to your
friends, right.
But sometimes even that is verydaunting for some folks.
Um, I know, for me, sometimes Idon't want to talk for six

(53:34):
hours.
I love to talk, as we canprobably tell, but sometimes
it's I'm like, okay, I need abreak, right.
And so we talked aboutboundaries earlier, setting
those boundaries right.
If you, if you pay attention toyour stress hormones, your
stress triggers, right, you canlearn how to self-regulate.
That's a tool that you know welearn in therapy.

(53:55):
If you, if you're in there,being that's definitely a
privilege, but it's somethingthat you can learn on your own
too.
Again, the internet is free, asmy parents tell me, so look it
up, you can.
You can find those littlethings.
Um, one of the things that Ilove is a butterfly technique.
I think in the beginning myfamily members mocked me all the
time, but now they understand.

(54:15):
But you cross your hands like abutterfly and you place it on
your heart and you breathe,right.
So you inhale for four, exhalefor four and you keep going to
however many numbers that youneed.
Another technique isvisualization.
So that's something that Ilearned in EMDR and I shared
that with as many people as Ican because it really saved my

(54:36):
life and you think about a place, whatever your happy place is
For me it was being on theisland.
You know where I spent mysummers, and being on my
family's farm, and so I picturethat and you ask questions like
what do you hear, what do youtaste, what do you see, what do
you smell?
So you're now activating yourfive senses.

(54:58):
So what does this do?
This regulates all the thingsthat are happening in your brain
to focus on this one thing, andthat's the goal, right, when
you're in a high stresssituation, it's to regulate your
body right.
You might start to have sweats,you might start to feel jittery
, trying to, you know, know,regain control in, in your, in

(55:20):
your setting, and these are allthings that you can do.
You know, if you are in newyork city and you're in a
cubicle and there's 20 peoplenext to you, you don't want
everyone to know that you'reinhaling and exhaling 100 times
right, like I get it but there'sthings like the visualization,
the stressful coloring, right,if you're an artist or if you
just like to draw as a kid.

(55:40):
How many times do we see adultsdrawing for fun, right.

Naihomy (55:43):
Right right.

Taylor (55:44):
Tap into your childhood.
It's okay.
And going back on, noteveryone's perfect.
Everyone's going through this.
Everyone is experiencing somesort of stress, right, whether
they're navigating the currentpolitical climate, they're
navigating work, they'renavigating fears, they're
navigating home school right,paying loans, whatever it is

(56:04):
like.
These are real world problemsthat we're all facing.
But you have to understand thatyou have control of your body,
right.
You can manage your stress.
Stress is a managed thing.
Some people are on medicationto navigate stress when it's
very severe, when it's chronic,but for the most part, something
that you can, you can do athome, that you have the tools

(56:26):
right there in front of you.

Naihomy (56:28):
Yeah, something I had to learn for myself when I was
learning how to manage my stresswas how did it feel in my body?
And because I didn't realizethat I was stressed or I was
holding on to things and Ialways encourage people to see
what that feels like for them so, for example, for me, I would

(56:52):
hold my breath and I was notbreathing and I thought it was
so funny that when I got myApple Watch, it told me to
breathe.
And I was like and I was likeso funny that when I got my
Apple watch, it told me tobreathe and I was like, haha.
And I was like, oh shit, that'snot even funny, like I continue
, I consistently hold my breath,and that wasn't okay.
Other things I do is I clench myjaw real tight or I like my

(57:17):
shoulders are near my ears and Ihold a lot of tension.
So sometimes your body feelsthe stress before you even
notice you're stressed and it'sgood to learn how your body
communicates with you.
So if I feel like my jaw isclenched or like I notice my jaw
is clenched, or I'm holding myshoulders up high, things like

(57:40):
that, I'm like, oh, I want toremind my body that I'm actually
safe.
So then I'll do some of thattechniques, I'll do the deep
breathing or I'll do, you know,whatever it is.
I also find that just taking apause and seeing what tool I
need at the moment, sometimes Ineed to move fast, so I go out

(58:03):
for a really fast walk,sometimes I just need to go go
to sleep.
So also identifying thosethings and there are a lot of
free things those are actuallyfree and things that sometimes I
really enjoy, that actuallybring me peace, is especially
now is like listening to thebirds outside, like who knew?
So there are a lot of things.

(58:25):
I think that really what yousaid identifying your triggers
and also understanding how itfeels in your body and then
building a toolbox, uh, to usewhether you're at work in front
of a lot of people.
The bathroom was my best friendwhen I worked in corporate
because it gave me time aloneaway from people in just a

(58:48):
second, so you can build atoolbox for different situations
and it's a learning process, isnot?
something that you know it'slike a light switch, is like
really being intentional andpaying attention to yourself.

Taylor (59:04):
Yeah, and what one thing works, you know, for right now
may not work tomorrow, yeah, so,which is why you need a toolbox
of multiple things, and then Iwill just add really quickly is
having the boundaries again.
I will just add really quicklyis having the boundaries again.
So, if you're in a workenvironment and I know one of
the things for me is, if I havelunch in my office, I tend to, I

(59:27):
have an open door policy, so Itend to have people that come in
, right, but I'm literallyeating lunch, like this is my 10
minutes before another meeting,right, or whatever the case may
be.
So what I do, if I really knowthat it's been a long day, I
just leave, I will eat my lunchoutside, right, because I know
that that's.
I just need 10 minutes of space, right, that's my safe space,

(59:49):
it's just having that alone timeand that's okay, right, and so
making sure that you're settingwhatever, whatever boundary.
If you have kids, a lot of timesI encourage moms to just tell
you know, mommy needs a momentright now, like mom is not doing
well, I just need to be bymyself and there's nothing wrong
with that.
I actually think that thatempowers mothers, right, and

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knowing that, yes, you're a mom,but you are also Taylor, you
are also Alexa, you're also you,right, and having that boundary
is okay, your child will beokay and you will be okay, but
you can't help.
It's just like when you're inthe airplane, right?
You can't help someone else ifyou're not helping yourself
first.
And it's really important, andstress is one of those things

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that affects every person, everyidentity, every aspect of your
health.
Stress is, and can be, a hugekiller, right?
So it's important to understandhow can you navigate that?

Naihomy (01:00:46):
Yeah, and it's also when you mention your kids,
teaching them how they can have,because it's something that
I've done many times with mykids.
I'm like I just need a secondand I'll go lock myself in the
bathroom or in my room orwhatever, and when they get
upset they remember that tooland they're like I need alone

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time and they'll like march offand, and you know, get some
space and then they're able tocome back.

Taylor (01:01:13):
So you're not doing anything, you're not a bad mom,
you're actually a great mommodeling how to handle
situations where you just need amoment Right and encouraging to
be expressive right Foryourself and your kids that you
know, yeah, it's, things happenand you might lose your shit.

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You might start yelling Right.
And that's totally normal, right, and so it's one of the things
that I see now with my littlebrother.
We're 12 years apart, and sothe way he expresses his
emotions to my parents and thereverse of our exchange is so
different, and he's soexpressive and he'll be like I
need a moment.
You're making me upset.
I'm like, oh my gosh, if I eversaid that to my parents, they'd

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be like who are you talking to?
You know, um, and so it's sodifferent.
It's a beautiful thing to seeat at 11, you know he's able to
express himself.
So I would just, yeah, againencourage that you're modeling
this behavior for someone else.
If it's not your kid, if you'rea teacher, you're showing them
how how to bring those tools youknow at yeah, taylor, it's been
an absolute pleasure.

Naihomy (01:02:22):
You're a brilliant 24-year-old.
Thank you for sharing so manyresources, information with our
community that hopefully theyput to good use.
I know I would have valued thiskind of information a long time
ago, so just to have access toit.

(01:02:44):
And again, this is free, freeinformation you know, taylor.
Where can people find you?
How can people work with youand connect with you if they are
interested?
And, by the way, thisinformation will also be in the
show notes.
Um, just for ease and for youto find her.

Taylor (01:03:03):
Naomi, thank you so much for such a wonderful
conversation.
This, I love doing this andthis is just a great topic and
very important.
Um, if people want to connectwith me and learn a little bit
more, you can find me on socialmedia at Tay Talks, and then my
LinkedIn is my name, taylor John, and I am switching gears a

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little bit in my business, soI'm going to focus more on
consulting and engagement, whichis kind of what I've done.
The podcast is still there, itexists.
So Tay Talks, unapologeticallyMe.
You can find me on allstreaming platforms, but the
consulting is something that I'mreally honing in on and that
will be launched, hopefully nextmonth.
So once I have that back andrunning my website, you can

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definitely check me out, butT-Talks is the best way to find
me.

Naihomy (01:03:51):
Awesome.
Thank you so much, taylor, andI'll see you guys next week.
Bye.