78. Navigating Perimenopause & Radical Honesty in Her Health Journey with Mageline [Client]

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Mageline Concepcion shares her journey from endurance athlete to perimenopause wellness pioneer, revealing how her body's changing needs forced her to completely reimagine her approach to nutrition and fitness after 40.

• Started fitness journey in her 20s focused solely on "getting skinny" through running and endurance sports
• Transitioned to viewing movement as essential for mental balance and stress management in her 30s
• Pregnancy at 37 required first major lifestyle adjustment and more mindful eating
• Discovered at 39 that previous workout and nutrition strategies no longer worked
• Experienced frustration when consistent weight training led to weight gain instead of loss
• Learned that perimenopause requires completely different nutrition timing and workout approaches
• Embraced "radical honesty" about food choices and movement patterns
• Uses technology (fitness tracker, food logging app) to maintain accountability
• Accepted that wellness changes are "for life" rather than temporary fixes
• Found peace in approaching health with grace and self-awareness
• Recognizes that ancestral patterns and colonialism impact our relationship with food measurement
• Encourages listening to your body's signals rather than following external rules

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello friends, welcome back to Wealthy
Generation Podcast.
This is one of my favoriterecordings to do, because today
we have on a guest, and not onlyis she a friend, she was also a
client two times around with me, and a lot of my clients turn

(00:23):
into friendships, which issomething that's very beautiful,
and we actually met online backat the beginning of the
pandemic in 2020.
And it was just a crazy way ofcoming together, because I was
part of this program calledThink Big or Start Small.

(00:46):
Think Big, which is like asmall business, a nonprofit that
helps small businesses, andthey would hold a lot of free
workshops and I joined theworkshop and in the chat box we
were introducing ourselves andthere was another Dominican
woman in there and we're like,oh, let's connect.
And it was my client's sister,madge, welcome, please introduce

(01:12):
yourself to everybody.
Thank you, hi, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes, thank you for having me, naomi.
My name is Mageline Concepcion.
You'll often hear Naomi, oryou'll hear Naomi.
Call me Madge, it's my nickname.
I mean, as you heard, I'm ofDominican descent.
I was born in Santo Domingo andhave been a New Yorker, slash

(01:36):
US person for the last, however,many years.
I am over 40, so it's been aminute that I've been living
here and you know I have manytitles.
I carry many hyphens after myname.
You know mom, wife, daughter,friend, and you know part of my

(01:59):
personal persona is I'm a brandmanager and a brand lead for
advertising agencies here inMadison Avenue, advertising
agencies here in New York.
So I have some of my clientsare clients that you consume
their goods and services for,and they wouldn't be surprised
if you've seen some of my workon a multiple of channels and

(02:19):
mediums and media around.
So yeah, that's me in anutshell.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Thank you for introducing yourself.
You guys have 100% seen herwork out there, but we're gonna
keep that confidential um, sotell us a little bit about my
day pre.
Let's say, we started to getworking together in 2020, but

(02:45):
you come from a very activeathletic paying attention to
your health background, so canyou please share with us a
little bit of who you werepre-pandemic, I guess we can say
, and why was this important toyou during that time?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
yeah, that's um.
It's funny because I definitelyhave had multiple chapters in
my life, um, and and the onethat you're referencing to is
that I am a lover of endurancesports, um, and by that I mean,
you know, I had a phase in mylife where my husband and I were
very much into training forendurance and like push the

(03:30):
limits of capacity kind ofsports.
I've done duathlons, he'sparticipated in Ironman, like
half Ironman If anybody knowswhat that sport is like, it's a
ultra triathlon.
I've ran marathons, I've ranmultiple half marathons, I've
ran all distances, and so I'vecome from a place that, after I

(03:52):
graduated undergrad back in 2004, I was really in that place of
like, if I'm honest, like justwant to get skinny.
Like undergrad did a number forme, right, like the constant
ice cream machine, the 24-7coffee, the um, the constant

(04:16):
cookies on, you know the hallsbecause I I lived on campus and,
um, you know, in that senioryear I was doing this my thesis
was focused on, was focused onan economic subject that I was
about to be a Mellon Fulbrightscholar for, right, and so I
spent a lot of time just reading, writing, sitting sedentary,

(04:41):
and when I wasn't sedentary, waseating.
I literally like, was justeating, you know, to do an
undergrad or drinking.
Let's be honest, like I did alot of drinking, um, but my 21,
22 year old metabolism was like,yeah, cool, you can handle that
right.
And so I really got intorunning in my early 20s as a way

(05:05):
to lose weight.
I wanted to be skinny and I did.
I don't think I, you know, thisis this, is like, so, not the
philosophy that I follow in mylife today anymore.
But I got down to a size one orzero.
Like I'm Dominican, you know weare full bodied women.

(05:27):
So, you know, and and honestly,it was just a matter of
metabolism and a matter of like,oh, I went drinking, you know,
a couple of days in a row.
I work in advertising.
There was a lot of entertainingof clients, there was a lot of
industry events.
I would like to say thattowards the tail like, the

(05:49):
beginning of my advertisingcareer was the tail end of the
madman era, you know where,happy hours in the day, you go
out with a vendor, you're on aproduction set with a client,
you take a client out, um, andbudgets were very generous for
those things, right and um.
So with all of that in mind, Istill wanted to keep my cute, I

(06:12):
still wanted to keep my sexy.
I was like, all right, so I'mgonna run and that's what I
would do.
Um, I got into running, I gotinto Pilates, I got into yoga, I
I got into anything that wouldhave me moved.
And when I tell you that it was,it was a very, it was a
positive relationship withmovement, but it also like it

(06:35):
was a tad bit of an addictiverelationship, like I would leave
the office, sometimes at nineo'clock at night, and go across
the street to the gym, workuntil 11 um, get home at 11 30,
have my arroz con habichuelabecause I would like still was
living at home or living closeenough to my mom that she would
like feed me um, go to sleep,repeat, do it again.

(07:00):
So you know that that was the.
That was my initial into beingphysically active and I loved it
.
I loved it for the results as Igot, as I went into my thirties
, my early thirties.
You know it was just alifestyle for me, my husband and

(07:22):
I, my, my, my husband,boyfriend, slash husband, fiance
.
The transitions all happened um, he, we found community around
it, so we had friends that wererunners um and were ultra
endurance, ultra enduranceathletes um, and so it just
became like a community thingfor me.

(07:43):
So being active for me is theeasiest part of wellness I
actually really like it.
And so that's you know a littlebit of my history until I became
pregnant, and that kind ofchanged things a little bit for
me, right?
Like I became pregnant with myfirst pregnancy, which I ended

(08:07):
up losing.
My doctors ended up they werelike, yeah, you can continue,
you've been running andexercising for years, right, so
just keep going.
But I did lose that firstpregnancy while I was still
active and running, and so itwas a moment for me, you know,
when I lost that pregnancy.
And, mind you, miscarriages,early miscarriages, happen to

(08:30):
anyone.
It's a natural process.
But I couldn't help but thinkto myself was is it because I'm
constantly running?
I'm still keeping my athleteschedule?
So the second time I gotpregnant with my twins, I ended
up being in a high riskpregnancy just because I was
older.
I was 37 when I got pregnantwith them and, having lost a

(08:53):
pregnancy, my doctors werereally advising for me to just
kind of calm everything down,you know, like settle it down,
reduce activity.
They didn't tell me toeliminate activity, they just
said reduce activity.
But I translated that into afear translation of just stop,
right.

(09:13):
And so I get pregnant.
I have to adjust my eating.
I went from borderline vegan.
I mean, like I had years Ididn't have a piece of red meat.
I honestly didn't even like it.
So borderline veganpescatarians.
To then getting pregnant withmy second pregnancy, with my
twins, and then having toreadjust, like I was very

(09:35):
attuned with my body, thisnotion of just knowing what your
body needs for me movement andthen, as I was growing to little
humans in my body, was thisnotion of like what do I need

(09:57):
right now?
It was something that I wasalways very aware of.
I'm very aware of what mybody's needing you know like.
So that's a really a synopsis,but also kind of a long way of
telling you like my history withwith just food and movement
overall.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
So yeah, thank you so much for sharing.
I think I found out new thingsabout you that I never even knew
before, or maybe I forgot that.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Oh my gosh, thank you for being so vulnerable, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
So I love that you mentioned this notion of you
just wanted to be skinny andyeah Right, and you were running
to lose weight.
I think that that is theinitial goal for just I'm
generalizing right All of us,because it was my goal to I

(10:49):
after I had my second kid.
I just wanted to lose weight,to be slimmer and feel better in
my clothes, and there's nothingwrong with that, I have to say.
It's a great motivator, and Ithink that sometimes where
things I guess don't go so wellis that we fall into these
restrictive patterns where we'reactually hurting ourselves more

(11:12):
than losing weight in a waythat it's promoting our health,
and I just wanted to point thatout because it is.
This notion of skinny is theonly goal, and now that I know
more and that we know more, it'slike, okay, that's, that's cute
and that's possible, but howcan we also take care of

(11:34):
ourselves?
And how is that now not theonly goal?
Also taking care of ourselvesright.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, I mean, I have to say, like, while I got into
endurance sports because Iwanted to be skinny like you you
know, I ate pasta within, if Igained three pounds in a week
and I would lose it in a week,you know, because I would run
two or three times, four times aweek, and it was just like,
again, my metabolism was thatit's optimal and so I could like

(12:02):
.
That's how I would like findbalance between like food and
and activities.
Um, but in my 30s it thenbecame as like careers started
to become more front and centerfor me.
Um, again, I didn't have babiesuntil my late 30s.
I was 37.
So in my 30s, as I, thepromotion started to come and

(12:26):
the pressure starts to mount up.
Then the physical activity again, physical activity and this
skewed notion of what healthyeating was right, low fat, no
cheese, like, like they werealways like the 90s.
Like like 90s to 2000s.
Like you don't eat fat, youdon't eat cheese, you don't eat
sugar, like there were all theseno's, it's just lettuce and and

(12:50):
like like protein wasn't evenlike a notion for me.
Right, like it's just like eatthe salad, you know, and and get
the least caloric dressingpossible.
Yeah, um, but in my 30s physicalactivity really was about.
In my early 30s and mid-30s itwas about maintaining balance in

(13:11):
my body, like emotional, mental, um.
At the time the term likespiritual balance wasn't
something that I was umnecessarily including into my
daily lexicon, but but in someways like that, physical
movement has always been a waythat I've been able to like
center and ground.

(13:32):
You know I work in in an ideabusiness, so that's how ideas
sometimes come to me and butagain, the food part of it was
in someone that I really startedto what it meant to nurture my
body fully until I'm suddenlygrowing to humans, you know, and
I want to keep them as safe asI possibly can.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
So so yeah, something that you mentioned, too, is
that we need to check in or thatyou would check in and see what
your body needs, and somethingthat I really hone in on is that
wellness will evolve withdifferent seasons in our lives,

(14:17):
right, and this attachment towhat you used to do before and
by you I mean like in general-what we used to do before and
what worked in our twenties, andwe don't realize that, just
being a woman, we naturally fallinto different seasons without
us asking for it or not, and asour life transitioned because

(14:42):
not only now were you a mom, butnow you're growing in your
career stress levels aredifferent, the time is different
, so keeping up with wellnessalso needs to shift.
Yeah, start to fit into thesedifferent seasons of your life.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
I?
You know, that was a moment forme, right, that was a moment of
clarity, of lucid, lucidunderstanding for me, because
you know you have your babiesand everybody talks about the

(15:22):
bounce back.
Granted, I was super clear, um,just based on the genetic
makeup of my family, that therewas no bounce back.
Right, like, um, wellness andlifestyle aside, like I know,
you kind of know how thegenetics of the women in your
family work once they havebabies, right so?

(15:43):
But it's also very different,like intellectually knowing it
and like experiencing ityourself, right, so I have the
girls.
I run New York City Marathon,November of 2017.
Like I was not my skinniest,but I was at my most optimal

(16:04):
performance level, right, I ranthose 26.2 miles like New York
city marathon.
New York city marathons courseis not an easy course.
Um, elevations fluctuate, likeso I'm on a high right.
I'm like I know how to do this.
I want to keep this optimalform.
I get pregnant, I get pregnantagain, um, and then you come.

(16:24):
I get pregnant, I get pregnantagain, and then you come, and
then I come to the realizationthat the babies come.
They're gorgeous, they're ontop, both of them are on top of
me Two little humans like, whoneed everything and have the
most amazing smell, and then yourealize that you're just a hot
mess.
Yeah, while you are on thiseuphoric high, you realize that,

(16:51):
as every day passes, you knowless and less about them, about
you, about what you need, evenpeople, well-meaning, family and
friends what do you need?
I don't know.
What do you need?
I don't know what I need.
Food, you know, and so like.
As I was just that first year ofpregnant, of motherhood, I get

(17:16):
the deliveries of arroz conhabichuela, the lasagnas or
everything right, when my bodyprobably needed something
different and I couldn'tdecipher it.
I couldn't decipher it, naomi.
And so that ambiguity of thatfirst year starts to tell me
that, okay, something isdifferent and I just couldn't

(17:39):
tell what was different.
Right, like, I couldn't figureit out.
Um, so fast forward to um, Itake a year sabbatical when the
girls are 18 months, I take ayear and a half sabbatical from
work.
Um, so I literally that's howwe met I was started to consult
for small businesses and justkind of share my both trained

(18:04):
skills and gifts withentrepreneurs of all sizes.
And I come to realize that thepandemic hits right.
I'm consulting, making friendsvirtually, and I come to realize
that all right, I'm ready tostart moving again.
Right, cool, not cool.

(18:24):
That, all right, I'm ready tostart moving again right, cool,
not cool.
I was like I had forgotten howto run.
I had forgotten how to move mybody.
This body needed somethingdifferent from a movement
standpoint.
I was 39 now.
You know, like I didn't.

(18:45):
Even the term perimenopausewasn't even something that had
crossed my stream ofconsciousness.
It was.
I didn't even know that was aterm.
There was no post on itanywhere yeah, no one talked
about it.
and so I'm 39 and my goal isjust to like feel better in my
body, like fit into a smallersize.

(19:06):
Here's the old mindset comingback, right.
I was like, ok, I just want tofit into like a size X.
I think a size eight was mygoal at the time.
Mind you, having come from,like you know, the fours and
fives, I'm like I give up onthat.
I'm never going to go back tothat, but at least an eight can

(19:27):
I get to an eight?
And so here I am, like let meget back into running, let me
get back into eating the way Iused to eat.
And it was that epiphany momentthat I had when my sister, my,
my youngest sister, met you andshe realized you were a

(19:47):
nutrition coach.
I was complaining to my youngersister like I can't figure this
out.
How is it that I've been ableto do this before?
I've ran marathons, I've doneevents.
How can I not lose this weight?
Um, and my sister said you know, maybe you should, should talk
to this Dominicana Naomi that Imet, and she you know, you guys

(20:07):
can just create community, right?
Or like become friends, and soin that process, again that
notion of we're talking 2020,.
We're talking the early days ofthe COVID pandemic.
It was right around this timeright around this time in 2020,

(20:29):
where we were just clamoring for, however, we can find community
, and for me, it was a sense ofneeding, like someone that could
help support the goals that Ihad at the time.
Historically, that had been mycommunity with friends like
athletic friends, right, but asa good New Yorker knows, you

(20:52):
have those friends, the NewYorker friends, that are your
friends when you're in yourearly 20s and 30s, and they
don't.
They all move back to whereverthey came from.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, they're not New .

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yorkers Back to Colorado, back to wherever
California, back to Florida, andsuddenly those of us that are,
you know, this is home.
For us, it's tri state area ishome.
I kind of left having torecreate community right.
So I found myself in motherhood, not understanding my body,
needing to recreate community,and in a deep state of solitude,

(21:24):
because we're all forced to bein solitude.
Um and so at that point youknow, I don't even remember,
naomi, what it was, that, um,what that epiphany moment was.
But when you and I startedtalking and you mentioned that
you were a health coach, I get aterm that was so not in the

(21:46):
lexicon.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
No, it wasn't for me either.
I was embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I was like what is?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
this.
I was like you know what?
I don't know what it is, butwhatever it is, it's in front of
me for a reason, so I'm justgoing to do it.
You know, and I'm a firmbeliever that there are no
coincidences, right?
So it's like okay, this is infront of me, this woman who I've
become to become friendly withon those inter worlds is saying

(22:17):
she's gonna help me, let's do it.
You know, like I can use all thehelp I can use all the help I
can get, and so at that moment,you and I working together, or
at least um that refocus on mybody and just feeling better,
you know, like um became aboutreaching 40, because I was about

(22:40):
to turn 40, um reaching 40,feeling my best.
You know, like I just wanted tofeel good, um.
So that was a little bit of ofthat historical point of
inflections and how your bodymeets one thing at one moment
and then another thing atanother, and yet no one tells
you this, um, it's not part ofthe tia stories, not part of the

(23:03):
grandmother stories, um, but itjust is, you know, and
especially in the life of thoseof us that are, you know, women,
um humans that identify aswomen.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
So yeah, first of all , if, if y'all don't know,
maddie has like an incredibleintuition.
She just knows how to reallytap in and listen to herself,
and I think it's reallybeautiful.
So along our journey together,you have taught me so much as
well and have empowered me toreally own my intuition as well.

(23:40):
And we're both Pisces.
Our birthdays are February,right, so it's just like this.
It was always a flowyconnection.
And I just want to thank youalso for trusting me in this
process, because I had juststarted my business back in 2020
as full time, because I hadbeen helping women anyone that

(24:00):
would allow me to help themsince 2018.
Anyone that would allow me tohelp them since 2018.
And with the whole transitionof COVID, I also came from an
advertising background in mycareer.
So when you mentioned thedrinking and the outings and the
eating, I'm very familiar withthat as well and eating bowls of
ice cream in college.
So very similar trajectory inour lives.

(24:21):
And then this whole point ofthe whole world is shifting and
we need to meet our needs incertain ways.
And, yeah, like it was a momentof, I think I can support you.
I know I can support you withwhat I know and what you're
telling me and also being inthis solitude space.

(24:42):
So when all of what you know,when you're like your access,
gets taken away from you all ofa sudden, we can't be outside,
we can't do so many things.
How do we do that in the spacethat we're in?
So, thank you.
And also mentioning thatperimenopause wasn't on your
mind, it wasn't part of thestories it is.

(25:04):
It has been such a taboo topicfor so many years is not until
now where it's become the trendything to talk about or there's
more research happening.
Women that are like in thepublic eye are talking about it
and hiding from it.
So I feel for a lot of, evenlike mom, grandma, who has been

(25:27):
going through all of this, andthey don't understand because
there's nothing out here.
And usually what happens whenwe would go to the doctor is oh,
you must be so stressed, oh,you know, you, here's an
antidepressant.
Or, like the doctors themselvesdidn't know, is, again, not
until now where they weregetting more formal education on

(25:48):
this.
So, yes, a lot happening duringthat time.
And then we worked togetheragain last year, right, I think
it was yeah, these years areflying by the beginning of this
year, I can look it up.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Oh yeah, I think it was mid last year, about this
time last year.
Yeah, so it was interesting,right, because I got to that
first, uh, six month period thatyou had, you and I had together
, I think, created a solidfoundation.
Like again, the physicalactivity was not the hard part

(26:26):
for me.
The hard part was I now have toeat differently.
You know, um, and one of thethings that you know, you hear
in the ethers, once you become amother, is put your mask on
first.
It's like the quintessentialin-flight video, right, put your

(26:47):
mask on first before helpingothers, um, but that's so much
easier in theory than done,right, like um, and for me it
was like I have these two humans, um, I'm not gonna have another
kid again.
This is it, like I'm nevergoing to become a mother again.
So this is a one and done for me, and one of the notions that

(27:11):
you really helped cement for me,on top of the idea of,
obviously, the eating and how to, how to nourish my body, for
what I needed, for what I needed, was this notion of taking care
of myself as a mother.
You know, like you're a fewyears ahead of me in motherhood

(27:32):
and so you've already.
You had already done the rollercoaster of like put your mask
on first, and I think for mejust having someone quite
honestly just give me permission, like we don't need permission.
But sometimes you literallyneed someone quite honestly just
give me permission, like wedon't need permission, but
sometimes you literally needsomeone to say it's okay, it's
okay to like.
I just think they remember thatone of the bad habits I had back

(27:54):
then the first time around wasI wouldn't eat dinner.
I would just eat whateverleftovers were on the plates for
the girls, because I would letmyself fix meals for them.
Get so hungry that I was justlike eating their leftovers and
then, on top of their leftoverswhich you know, I'm feeding them
healthy, organic things, butit's caloric, it's calories that

(28:19):
I don't need I would then fixmy own meal, like an hour later,
two hours later, and then I'meating at like eight, nine
o'clock at night, 10 o'clock atnight, right, not realizing the
effects that was having on mymetabolism, or like how I
unintentionally was taking in ahuge amount of calories.
Or you know, just in general,like it's okay for you to fix

(28:40):
yourself a plate of a balancedplate of food and sit down and
eat.
It sounds ridiculous to say itout loud, and yet it is like
such a basic and a fundamentalthing of put your mask on first
right um, so for me, that waslike a lot of the first phase of
you and I working was thisunderstanding of how do you fix

(29:03):
your plate which I justgenerally even with a bit of an
athletic background like Ididn't even put into the
consideration set like veggies,proteins, carbs, like how do you
mix it?
How do you drink it?
Like, how do you keep yourenergy up throughout the day?
Right, the second time aroundwas a year ago and, um, so that

(29:30):
was 2024.
Right, sometime around 20, thebeginning of 2020?
No, the end of 2023, I startedto realize that I had lost the
habit of working out.
Um, and I hired a personaltrainer who was recommended to

(29:53):
me by a friend who's local here.
I'm a diehard supporter oflocal and small businesses, so I
do my best to make sure that myabundance is flowing to the
people who are keeping ourcommunities up and running.
That is who I like to serve,and I found a local trainer

(30:13):
happens to be on another miniGhana and we're working.
You know, working.
I had never in my life liftedweights like I have been a
runner, I mean like cardio queenPilates.
I used to do a ton of Pilatesbefore the Pilates girlies came
into being Gen Z Pilates girlies, like many of us geriatric

(30:35):
millennials, have been doingthat for a minute.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I refuse to accept that word.
Okay, keep going.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
And so I, for the first time ever, I'm like I am
on a second floor.
Kids, my daughters, are reallyheavy 50, 50, 60 pounds.
I couldn't lift them up.
I caught myself getting windedwalking up a flight of steps.
Um, I couldn't keep up likewalking like New York City speed

(31:08):
.
I just felt my body like slowlyfalling apart and so
intuitively, I'm like right, getback into working out.
Oh, the weight started to pileon out of nowhere, like this
belly situation was like like Iwas seven months pregnant again
and I was like what is happening?

(31:28):
You know, I have not changedthe way I'm eating.
I'm still doing the Naomitraining from 2020.
I don't feel like I've changedmuch.
Right, like that was mythinking.
And I come to realize, like Istart to train with the trainer,

(31:49):
I include she's like hey, youneed more protein.
I include a protein shake inthere in the morning.
I'm doing all the things.
Six months into training withthe trainer, we do like a
weigh-in and, uh, you know, theymeasure you for body fat and I
had gotten bigger weight-wiseand my inches had increased and

(32:11):
I was.
I was defeated.
I was defeated, naomi.
I was like I literally I didnot burst into tears at the
training studio because therewere other people around, but I
was like this is impossible.
I've been working out like I'venever worked out before.

(32:33):
I'm lifting weights, um,something again that I had never
done before, even in mytrainings.
Again like.
This notion of the importanceof muscle is relatively new,
especially for women, right,like even in the endurance space
, where I would see women flyingdoing, doing a marathon in two
hours, three hours, like theywere running.

(32:55):
They weren't cross training toomuch, you know.
And so I have this moment whereI had reached out to you when I
first started working with apersonal trainer because I was
like, all right, I need tochange my workout, I need to go
back into working out and changesomething.
And then, six months later, Ihad that moment where the weight

(33:16):
happens, the scale, the bodykind of mass measurement happens
, and I come to the realizationthat I'm making no progress.
I'm making no progress and thatwas like it effed up any

(33:44):
convention I had about how did Ineeded to take care of my body.
There was no way around it.
I distinctly remember leavingthat training session, getting
into my car that day to drivehome, and I think I called you
on the spot and I was like youdid call me from the car.
I called you from the car and Iwas like I don't know what is
happening.
It's like I have no idea.
I honestly like at the time, umshould not have taken on an

(34:10):
additional financial likeexpenditure for myself, right,
but I was like it's either thator I'm not gonna be okay, like
it was another moment of just,like it is this moment in order
for the rest of the moments tobe what you want them to be um

(34:32):
and like without thing, likewithout, like everything said,
to do it again, like intuitionwas like just do it.
Um, I just did it.
I was like I need help.
I have no idea what I'm doing,naomi, like I don't know what
I'm doing wrong.
And so that was the second time.
And for me it was a non-brainerright like at this point, like
yes, I have other people in mycircle that could support me

(34:56):
with nutrition and this and that, but I didn't want to think
like I already knew what yourprocesses and your way of
working was, and I was like Ijust need to support in a way
that is not jarring emotionallyand physically to where I was
right, which was I was alreadyfeeling the mood up and down of

(35:17):
what I now know is perimenopause.
I did not realize that, um,those weight gains, those
fluctuations were wild, wild, um, and it was just a moment again
of saying it's now or I needthe help now because I don't
have the bandwidth to take onlife, take on motherhood, take

(35:43):
on spousehood and take on theresponsibilities that I have
with my professional life andthen try to figure this out at
the same time.
You know, and so I did it.
I think on the spot I was justlike sign me up, yeah, to figure
this out.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I remember, because I distinctly remember, that my
phone rang out to 22 pm.
Oh, look at that, yeah, and Iwas like, why is because usually
, when we communicate, as is thecustom, now is texting right
yeah, of course like now callingsomebody has become a foreign
subject, even though that's whatwe were used to doing.

(36:24):
So a phone call is coming in andit's 2 22 and it's Maddie.
And I know that, maddie, andintuition, and I know you did
not do that on purpose, I didnot but it just again.
All the stars align and I'mlike what is happening.
And then the first thing youtell me is do you have a spot
for me?

Speaker 2 (36:42):
and I'm like what's going on?
I'm like all right, um, wheredo I sign the dotted line?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
you.
You're like I need a spot.
It was wild.
It was wild.
I know I'm laughing about it now, but you were really in a space
of, how you said, of defeat,and I just yeah, perimenopause
again, as I mentioned earlier,is just being studied now and

(37:15):
especially a lot of the timeswhen it has been studied before,
it has been on sedentary women,on women who are already unwell
.
So what I started doing in mycareer as a health coach is I
know I wanted to get deeper intosomething, but I didn't know
what it was quite yet in thebeginning.

(37:35):
And then by the time you camearound the second time, I had
already took a nosedive intohormone health generally and
then into perimenopause slashmenopause as it is with active
women.
So I started following thatscience and you just had to tell

(37:57):
me like what you were puttinginto your smoothie and I was
like I already know, like thatwas our first call fixing the
smoothie.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Adjusting the smoothie.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Because what I like to say is that and you, you've
set up this perfectly.
When we're in our 20s and ourearly 30s, our body like, think
of it as like an orchestra, likeeverybody's playing, like it
doesn't matter a hurricane couldcome, a tornado, and everybody
just knows their notes.
They're playing, they'replaying, they're playing is fine

(38:30):
.
And then this orchestra fallsapart and it's like F, this
metal figure's up.
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
No, you have a trumpet back here.
You have someone off here overhere.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Then you have someone choreographing here.
Yes, they all think they'resinging to the same song.
Yes, and singing to the samemusic, and they're all toned up
Exactly.
There's song yes, into the samemusic and they're all toned up
exactly.
There's a meme that I thinkwent around where it's like
perimenopause and it's likethey're all trying to get in
sync on the dancing and theyjust they can't they just can't

(39:04):
yes.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
so what happens when perimenopause comes around is
that we have to become theconductor, we have to become the
conductor, we have to becomethe conductor.
But imagine being a conductorand you don't even know how to
freaking, read music or how toplay an instrument, and now you
have to become the boss of thisright Like the head of conducing

(39:29):
this orchestra of hormones thatare doing whatever the hell
they want to do in the firstplace.
It's tough, so, but there is alot of new strategy, scientific
evidence of how we just need todo certain tweaks to how we're
eating, when we're eating, howwe're training, because now that

(39:51):
beloved endurance sport andthese exercises are seen as
major stressors in the body andthey start to hold on for dear
life, especially so it's likeyou know you're telling we're in
danger.
She is pushing heavy shit andshe is running away Like what is
she running away from?

(40:12):
Exactly what's happening,exactly.
So this whole process I'm likethis is wonderful and it's
moving in the opposite directionbecause, the body just does not
feel safe and it's not gettingthe cues it needs from the
outside.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
And then we started implementing all these things.
So how did your journey shiftwhen you started to implement
more of a perimenopausal foodand exercise focus, because I
would send you with notes foryour trainer, even though she's
wonderful.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yes, no, my trainer, and my trainer was so receptive
of them, so, um it.
To me it started with like,this notion of like.
I did not realize how muchsugar, um, I inadvertently was
consuming first thing in themorning.
Um, so I was using one of mykids like I buy them protein,

(41:10):
like um to go protein containers, organic protein containers,
because if they go to afterschool I put it in their snack
box and I thought it was abrilliant idea.
It's like one of us in themorning put a whole banana in it
, put a little thing of peanutbutter powder.
I used to call it my chunkymonkey smoothie.

(41:31):
I still have the chunky monkeysmoothie, but chunky monkey has
gotten healthier.
She's slim monkey now.
Uh, and I was just like Ithought I was on fire.
I told the trainer she's like,because she told me she's like
you're not consuming enoughprotein, right, and I said I got
this protein smoothie and I wason that joint for two months.

(41:54):
You know the New Yorker in mecomes out like when I say joint.
Yeah, I was on that joint fortwo months.
It's like I'm doing my smoothie.
Um, first things first.
I literally was just um.
I literally was just likestarting my morning with coffee,
which I know back from when youand I started, was not a good
thing.
But that habit, you know, Iusually started my morning with,

(42:18):
like warm water with lemon.
It just faded into the distance, like the sun set on that habit
and it just faded away from mylife and suddenly I caught
myself like running out of bed,making coffee, getting the kids
off to school Right, and thenadding my disjointed monkey

(42:41):
smoothie to the mix Right, andthen going to the trainer.
So that was interesting, right,because then the moment you and
I started to dissect what thatwas, you were like oh, maj, what
are you doing?
And that was a moment I thinkit took two sessions for me and
you and I to like dissect, likewhy that was so wrong.

(43:03):
Um, so when I started to shiftthat, that was the first thing.
It's like okay, go back to yourwater.
I can't do the lemon thinganymore because, again,
perimenopause, getting older,now I have acid reflux very
easily, right, like the bodychanges.
So, yeah, just warm water witha lemon, without lemon and and
we change to a much cleaner,much fuller protein.

(43:27):
Right, we play with manyversions of the protein.
Uh, first thing in the morning.
I'm not a.
I cannot consume food firstthing in the morning, and you
wanted me to eat somethingwithin an hour of waking up, and
I was like Naomi, that's notgonna happen.
I'm just not hungry, like I candrink something, but I cannot
like start to chew somethingwithin the first hour.
Um, so we had to just revisitwhat the first hour of the day

(43:52):
looked like for me.
Um, everything from cortisollevels like give yourself a
little bit more time, likebecause I was exhausted, so I
was like staying in bed untilthe very last second that I
needed to wake up to make surethe kids went to school right on
time, which anybody knows.
It's like the most stressfulthing to do.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Ever.
But I'm exhausted so I'm justlike letting it all be.
And we adjusted the smoothie.
Then it became okay, what kindof workouts are you doing?
So it became a lot of likefunctional heavy lifting it.
Then, you know, we then likekind of work through the need to
add, like hit to get the heartrate up within a certain period

(44:37):
of time.
I thought that workout againstsomething, a mathematical

(44:58):
equation.
When it came to exercising,that I didn't have to consider.
And then you're like OK, much,but right after you eat I said,
yeah, I eat something within anhour.
And you broke that conventiondown and it's like no, it has to
be within 30 minutes.
So all of this orchest we'reeating, when you know, I love a
piece of bread, I love a rice,like anyone, but what I thought

(45:21):
was a cup of rice was not whatit was a cup of rice, right.
Then you told me to stopmeasuring things and I almost
had a connips with you.
I was like, girl, I'm notmeasuring anything.
Um, talk about the ancestralscarcity mindset that has been a
part of my like ancestryforever.
Right, where when you'remeasuring things, it's usually

(45:44):
not because you're trying to behealthy but because but there
isn't enough, right, and so thatwas a whole convention that I
had to like, break down, likethis is not about scarcity, this
is about actually an abundanceand how you heal and treat your
body Like I had to.
We had to rework all of thatmathematics Right.
Then we looked at, like the day, and what does a day look like?

(46:10):
How long am I lasting betweenmeals?
Why am I snacking when I'msnacking?
You know, why am I snacking anhour and a half after having
lunch?
Um, so it's like going throughall of these notions of um down
to even like just you being opento implementing a technology,
like a tool, an app thatliterally would help ease the

(46:32):
way that I was tracking my foods, because the way I was tracking
it with you the first timearound wasn't working the second
time around.
Yeah, life gets morecomplicated, right?
Um?
So you got we kind of um.
We worked to utilize somethingthat was more easy within my
lifestyle to be able to trackand I still, to this day, use it

(46:53):
.
I don't know if you know, youprobably do.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I know, I see it Till this day.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
It is still pretty accurate.
I needed that accountabilitytool, right?
Because then when I would say,oh, I'm just going to grab these
pita chips or these grapes, andthen you're like, yeah, you can
grab the grapes, but then graba piece of parmesan cheese,
snacking parmesan to balance outthe blood sugar, then I'm like,

(47:21):
oh, okay, I need to do thisdifferently, right?
Um, or, it's not a bowl ofgrapes, it's a cup of grapes, a
couple grapes, y'all.
It's like seven grapes.
If anybody's ever done a couplegrapes, it's seven grapes.
Um, and so it was a lot ofdeconstructing this and and and.
Then, at some point, you and Ihad a session where you, um, you

(47:44):
said to me well, you know, thisis for life and I just had to
sit there for a second.
There were many times that you,I was angry.
There were many times that.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
You know, I was angry there were many times that was
angry.
I was just angry, we would justsit we would just sit and stare
at each other like what did youjust say?
I would just wait, because Iknow like her brain just takes a
while, so she would sit thereand like process and sit on it
and I would just wait yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
And then you said it was for life.
And I kid you not, I think youremember it took me about two or
three weeks to like accept thefact that this was for life.
And, mind you all, like aftersix months working, while I felt
the difference in energy, Ifelt the difference in how I was

(48:35):
feeling.
I think at some point I waseven on antidepressants and I
stopped taking them when we were, when we started working
together, because, again, I waslosing my mind.
I'm like, why am I timestowards the end of our

(49:01):
contractual relationship,coaching relationship, and I had
to figure out, okay, how do Itravel, how do I manage
traveling with these new needsthat I have to take care of
myself, both for work and forpleasure?
And at some point it's justlike, yeah, I do have to do this

(49:23):
for life.
And despite all of this changesand despite feeling good, I
still was not necessarily seeinga huge amount of change, was
not necessarily seeing a hugeamount of change.
Like the first time you and Iworked together, within a month,
a month and a half, I wasseeing the weight go down, I was
seeing the pants fit better andthis time around, I mean, you

(49:44):
and I stopped working together.
What December?
It's now April of 2025 and I'mstill in.
I'm still keeping all thediscipline going and I just now,
in like in the last month and ahalf, can myself recognize a
physical difference.
In like, I've lost inches frommy belly, but again, that also

(50:07):
was a readjustment for me.
Yes, right, because just fouryears earlier, within a month
and a half, I was was like oh, Isee, you know, clothes is
getting looser.
No, this is still a work inprogress for me to do this.
So that idea of like I reallyneed to do this for life has

(50:27):
been seared into my mind.
You know, like, this is it?
There is.
No, you're doing it for summerand then you go back to regular
life.
No, this is regular life now.
Um, and I think embracing thatmindset is from a place of just

(50:48):
like, abundance and from a placeof grounding versus a place of
drudgery has been key for me,you know what's?

Speaker 1 (50:59):
what would you say, is the difference?
Because I think in in shiftingthat mindset.
How did you come to accept it?
Because, like I said, we bothsaid you were very unhappy at a
lot of the tweaks that we had todo just to, like, put them in
place and evolve.
That's one to the mindset of,oh, it's so cute, we'll do this

(51:23):
for three months and then that'sit, I'll go back.
It's very diet culturey is verytrendy, and I have this, like
I've been mulling on this ideathat wellness is not trendy and
exciting, it's actually boringand repetitive repetitive and
we're always looking for thatexcitement and it's like, oh yes

(51:45):
, this new diet and this newthing and this, and we stay in
this honeymoon period and notrealizing that you're in it for
life and it might look different, as you very clearly has shared
as how has it evolved?
But as a person who has had along trajectory of things that

(52:07):
have worked for you, you've beenthrough many seasons of life.
You've come from I just want tobe skinny mindset the dieting
culture, the what's cute andtrendy, to now embracing the
fact that this is how you arechoosing to take care of
yourself from an abundancemindset, and are patient with

(52:31):
yourself and trusting to getresults and to see progress.
How have you kind ofaccomplished that shift?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Oh, um, you know for me, um, you know, for me it's

(53:18):
been a radical.
It's taking what I now knowabout what I need for this
chapter I'm in and applying aradical not a radical sense of
honesty with myself.
It's.
It's been like I'm reading abook called the Altar Within, a
beautiful book about self-careand radical self-care, and she
introduces Julia Diaz introducesthe term radical honesty and
sometimes, you know, as aculture, we understand radical

(53:40):
honesty to be mea culpa, meaculpa, like I did this wrong,
right, but part of it and thetools that you've given in terms
of the apps and the things that, like, the app has been key for
me because I can literally seeit and I could track it and I
know what, like when I'm notdoing it.
But even down to this is where,like, honest and gentle and

(54:04):
self-loving, radical honestycomes into play for me, like
like, uh, I had a handful of.
I was, I just came from DR, wewere in Dominican Republic for a
spring break with the girls andwe went to a resort.
I never go to resorts, but Iwas there and it's like, oh, I
looked at the lays I never eatlays potato chips but I look at

(54:26):
the ingredients to give you anexample and I'm like, oh, the
lays in the Dominican Republichas three ingredients.
The lays in the US has 26ingredients.
I'll let the kids eat it.
We're on vacation, right, butthey're eating lays and here I
am, those lays with.
That was really damn good.
Yeah, right, so down radicalhonesty for me looks like to

(54:52):
utilize that example of me beingaway with the kids and and
being on vacation.
It looks like we'll track thatas well.
Right, because if the momentcomes and then it will come
where whatever I'm doing now maynot work and I need to shift
something again, having thatradical honesty with myself

(55:14):
where I'm not going to come andI'm going now may not work and I
need to shift something again,having that radical honesty with
myself where I'm not going tocome and say I don't know what
happened.
No, I knew what happened.
Maybe there were a lot of weeksand a lot of months where that
lays.
I'm using the lazy example waslike I'm just going to grab
these chips, I'm just going tograb this, so I'm just going to
grab that.
You know, know amounts to thisconsistent pattern of empty

(55:35):
calories that are, you know,spiking my blood sugar versus
maintaining my blood.
You know my, maintaining my,regulating my blood sugar.
So I use that as an example oflike how I've had to be honest
with myself on that radicalhonesty.
It's an example of like youknow what a half a cup of rice
or a cup of rice, if I haven'thad a lot of carbs today and I'm

(55:58):
feeling a need for carbs, I'llhave a whole cup of rice.
If I have a lot of carbs todayor I've been indulged in like
the lays, then I do just half acup.
This is not a detriment.
Like this is not a detriment tome.
Half a cup, this is not adetriment.
Like this is not a detriment tome.
I'm not doing it for what feelsdeep in my soul used to feel
like how dare I measure food?

(56:18):
I don't need to do that anymore.
You know, it's like a deeprebellion.
That was a very DNA for me.
I'm like I do not measure food,I don't have a need to measure
food.
I know my ancestors did forsurvival, but I don't have a
need to measure food.
I know my ancestors did forsurvival, but I don't, and so
I've had to reshift that.
To like radical honesty meansthat that's all your body needs
right now.
It's half a cup of rice andthen, if I'm gentle and if I'm

(56:43):
honest with myself, I don't needto beat myself down for it, you
know.
So I think that's been a bigone.
It's been radical honesty, andit's been radical honesty and
accountability with me, no oneelse but me.
Yeah, you know, um, and I thinkthat that when people say bet

(57:05):
on yourself, like I'm betting onmyself that even though I just
came from vacation and I, by theway, I've tested it, naomi I
had the desserts, I had thedrink, I didn't hydrate, I
didn't keep up with my protein,I took everything I needed and I
suddenly am like why am Ifeeling so sleepy?

(57:27):
Why am I getting a headache?
Why does my body feel off?
And I'm like I know why itfeels off, I know exactly why it
feels off.
I don't like it's radicalhonesty.
You've been indulging, which isokay, by the way.
I had my drinks, I had my pinacolada, you know, and at the
same time, I also knew that whenI got back or the next morning,

(57:48):
I needed to hydrate, I neededto have my egg omelet, I needed
to just kind of bring everythingback, I needed to go for a
workout.
I literally just need to move mybody and like things just kind
of started to fall back intoplace.
So that's a long-winded way ofsaying like that's what I feel

(58:10):
has worked for me at the moment.
I also didn't realize I mean,jose gave me this which I now
wear religiously how little Imove when I'm not working out.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
She's looking at her watch.
It's a.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Garmin watch.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
We worked on that, on how do you move on the days you
work from home.
How are you exactly?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
because I and I did not realize, naomi, how little I
moved until I becameaccountable myself and I would
look at this at the end of thewatch at the end of the day yeah
and I'm like, oh, I've onlymoved a thousand steps.
Yep, in like a whole day.
That's wild, you know.
Um.
So, just likeself-accountability, um, it's

(58:57):
trusting that, even when theship sails a little bit in the
opposite direction of what youwant it to, you have the skills
to shift it back.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Um, so yeah yeah, it's beautiful and I like how
you call it radical honesty, Ithink that it's also from my
perspective is really beingself-aware a thousand percent
it's and and it's really thefirst thing that I teach my

(59:30):
clients and even in my new likegroup program, sugar mama.
Week one is on how do we becomemore self-aware because of
exactly?
You gave such beautifulexamples.
You're like oh, I'm feelinglike crap.
Oh, I know why I haven't doneXYZ for myself.
Oh, I'm not moving as much.
So and it's two other things youmentioned was with grace and

(59:53):
love which is 100% part of myvalues, like we're not going to
shame ourselves and be mean andall that.
Like the world does enough ofthat and we grew up with enough
of that to continue that.
So this self-awareness is notto use to punish ourselves or to
beat ourselves up, is more ofdata collection, of cause and

(01:00:17):
effect and knowing how your bodyworks and what it needs and
what has shifted, instead ofcompletely ignoring it and then
doing like, oh, the I don't knowit's like maybe you do know.
There was a point where I waslike gaining so much weight so
fast, and I'm like what isdifferent?
And I'm like, oh, maybe it'sall the dates with peanut butter
I'm eating at 10 PM at night,before bed, Like.

(01:00:38):
And then you can start topinpoint things and make a shift
again, not from hate and shameand all that more of like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
This is not the direction I want to be moving in
yeah, a hundred percent um, andit's hard, it's, it's really
difficult to um we are.
If we really were to take stockof how we speak to ourselves,
um, I don't think we would speakto our worst enemies the way we

(01:01:12):
speak to ourselves.
And I mean for me.
I guess a combination of youknow, training and age and I
invest a lot in my, in my justpersonal development has really
kind of taught me that this isall also part of a larger system

(01:01:36):
of colonialism you know thatbeats us down in a way that does
not let us shine.
You know, like putting ourselveslast is a system of colonialism
that our ancestors were forcedinto, you know, so that other
systems could be replaced intheir minds and in their bodies.

(01:01:57):
And we still carry that insideof us.
You know, whether it's food,the scarcity, you know why did I
fight you so much on a cup ofrice, Naomi?
You and I had a battle.
When you said a cup of rice, Iwas I'm not doing it and I
pulled this full-on tantrum.
I was like I'm not doing it,I'm not measuring food you know
what?

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I feel you so wholeheartedly because the first
trainer I ever had after I hadmy first kid back in 2015.
He told me I had to get a foodscale and I almost beat this guy
down.
I was like are you fucking nuts?

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I'm not measuring food.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
And to me it was like restriction.
I'm like no, I just eat what Iwant.
And for years and years andyears and years and years, that
worked well until I needed moreaccurate data as I got older.
And now I find that it's soeasy and so helpful and I, like

(01:02:58):
almost, was embarrassed to buythis tool because I swore that I
would never use this and Ithrew such a fit.
But I also have grace formyself.
I was just not ready.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
And I didn't know you .

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Sometimes you're just not ready.
You, and something that wespoke a lot on is the why, like
compared to our ancestors, yourancestors were moving over a
thousand steps a day theirentire lives more than that a
physical labor right.
So it's just the way our liveshave shifted, in different

(01:03:33):
environments and differentconveniences.
The type of energy your bodyneeds now versus other times.
So it's not this good or bad,is well, what does your body
need right now and how is itmaking you feel more of the
question, right?
Yeah, yep, yeah, yep, my day.
If there is somebody out herewho is like fighting themselves,

(01:03:55):
like we were fighting with eachother on measuring food, arms
crossed and they're like, youknow, I'm not feeling well.
Everything I've done before isnot working, but I am.
Health coaching is a new thing.
I don't know if I could trustpeople on the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
By the way it's 100%, 100%, because we've all had
these thoughts in our head, butI am so tired of being tired and
I need to do somethingdifferent.
What would you tell them as afew words of encouragement when
it comes to food and holistichealth coaching?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I think deep down inside, when we are all feeling
not our best, we know what weneed.
I think deep down inside, likeif, if you're the person
receiving this message right nowand you are, there's like a

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discomfort in your body.
I don't mean physically, likeyou may physically not feel
great, but there's a as aphysical discomfort or a
spiritual discomfort,metaphorical discomfort.
There's an unease and an a lackof like, just an unease, um,

(01:05:23):
with how you're feeling.
I would urge everyone to justliterally, uh, sit with your
thoughts, like sit in silence,tune out the world, um,
literally like I, I I'm a, I uselike noise canceling headphones
, like tune out the world andliterally breathe and listen,

(01:05:48):
because what you need will cometo you.
You know, maybe it's a cup ofwater, maybe you literally need
more water.
You know, maybe that snack,maybe that 3 pm coffee is just
not it for you, and maybe youneed some sunshine every day,

(01:06:12):
maybe you need support fromsomeone that can help guide you
along the way.
You know, I think that if we areall radically honest with
ourselves and we all sit in somesort of silence whether it's
meditative or whether you're aprayer some sort of silence,
whether it's meditative orwhether you're a prayer, or

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whether you speak with theancestors and practice the
veneration of them, like youwill know exactly what you need.
Your body is not going to lieto you, we just talk ourselves
out of it.
You know, and I think that therational mind is really good at
telling us no, no, no, that'snot what you need.
No, just go ahead, do somethingelse.

(01:06:57):
The rational mind willrationalize us into any
direction positive, negative,neutral or whatever.

(01:07:23):
But what is certain to me rightnow, at this phase in my life
and in the chapter of my lifethat I'm currently living, is
that you always know you to justapproach our health, our
well-being, even just like ourgoals in our life, with a more
grounded sense of what you trulywant.
I think there's a just like thelittle, there's a little like

(01:07:44):
liberation that happens once youtake on the process to get to
where you need to get to, inthis case, wellness, um, it
could be a business challengethat you have, it could be
anything, um.
So I just I would say just, youknow what you need, just listen

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yeah, thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
thank Thank you for being here.
If anybody wants to reach outand connect with you, how would
that be possible?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
You can find me on LinkedIn.
That is the most neutral way tofind me.
It's Mageline Concepcion, afull name at LinkedIn, whatever
backslash, so you'll see abeautiful picture of myself on
there go check her out and askall the questions the link will
also be in the show notes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yes, thank you for having me.
Naomi thank you so much forbeing here, for your
vulnerability, sharing yourstory so in depth, and your
wisdom and your journey.
Thank you so much thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Thank you everybody.
Have a great day.