Colin Van Deusen | 6 time International Sport Karate Champion | 8th Deg. American Kenpo Karate Black Belt | Founder of Power of One Self Defense Institute - We're Kicking It | The Stories Behind the Legends and warriors of Martial arts greats

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Jose Flores (00:03):
All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the weird
kicking Podcast, where I get theprivilege to talk to the legends
and warriors of the martial artsworld, to them being joined
common vendors and a Masteringthe Art of American chembl. Sir,
how are you? I'm doing great.
Thanks and yourself. I'm doingwell. Thank you so much. Well,
thank you for your time, sir. Iappreciate it. And for those for
the listeners that don't know,Mr. Van dusen. Collin is

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actually my martial artsinstructor

Colin Van Deusen (00:30):
started back in 2000 2003. And Tony
withdrawn, if you remember him,I do.

Funny enough, he one day he showed up at my
house. And today I'm going withmy old martial arts instructor
and a hunting Park. So I guesshe went to check it out. You're
not there anymore. And He foundyou a couple days later here at
VIXX. me. And I believe thataround the time where you were
opening up the studio here Itpicks me.

We did at two in 2000. Actually no 1999 I'm
sorry, on 99 in the summer of99. Alright, so he found you.

We, I remember, he wasn't his bike. I was in my
skateboard. I fell in lovecoming over here. But we got
here and you looked at me andyou said when you want to try?
And I was like,maybe and you're like what do
you mean? Maybe you want to tryYes or no? Maybe next time and
you just went okay. And afterthat he kept coming in. And he
he kept saying he's asking aboutyou. He's asking about you. So I

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decided to come and he said, Areyou going to join in? And you're
going to try it? And that's allright after that was a Yes, yes.
And what I really wanted to makesure you did is learned how to
do a proper shoulder roll. Sowhen you fell off your
skateboard again, you are goodto go. All right.
But yeah, I mean, after thatthat's actually running ever

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since then. It's been wonderful.
And granted, I didn't know how.
And I'll say this, not justbecause you're my instructor,
but how much of a great personyou are. Thank you appreciate
it. Yeah. So for the listenersthat don't know, you're an
eighth degree, black belt inAmerican Kenpo. That's correct.
Yes. And for those I mean, Iknow you and I know much about

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you. But for the listeners thatdon't know, you tell us a little
bit about yourself. Well, Istarted in run 1981 at a studio
in Burlington, Vermont.

And my first instructor, his name was Steve
shover.
Later, one of his black belts.
His name was Laurie ended upbecoming my instructor run
around by blue or green belt, Ithink green Green Belt, through
the black belt till I have tomove from the state.

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But we did, it was under theFred vallauris banner at the
time my instructor had trainedfor probably, I don't know, 15
to 17 or so years prior to joinin with Lars and he was a police
officer during the day, and wastrying to teach karate at night,
but didn't really have anybusiness understanding about how

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to do that and be able to do itfull time, which was what I
think he wanted to do. So it wasreally reliant on his police
officer job during the day topay his bills. And he tried to
fake it in the evening. But hewas faking it with the way
things were done in, you know,6070s.
And at that time, the early 80s,which was a lot different than

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what it is today, as far as howthe classes were, you know,
taught and what was it expectedof you because I had a pretty
clear understanding from earlyon when I first started training
that my instructor I'm not surewas really didn't really care
whether or not you showed up. Ifyou just weren't there to learn
martial arts the way he waswilling to teach it. So there's

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a lot of people that ended upfalling by the wayside after one
or two classes because it was apretty rigorous experience. And
there was a lot that wasexpected of you and the you
know, the fighting and stufflike that. It was just it was
just kind of probably common forthe era really, it wasn't
probably anything special thatwas happening in our dojo, but
it was just something that was,you know, prevalent. If you grew

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up doing martial arts duringthat, you know, the 6070s
it just was what it was you'regoing to get to get knocked up a
little bit knocked around alittle bit and some things get
broken and some blood beingspilled, but it was just part of
the training.
So anyways, I I got myblack belt when I was 16 years
old, a couple of years afterthat had moved to California.

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And I sought out training inCalifornia. So when I was when
you're growing up on the EastCoast, all the magazines and
books that I was ever reading,were all about the martial
artists who lived on the westcoast. So
now that I was living inCalifornia, I was like, well,
this is going to be a greatopportunity to start
You know, some of these peopleon I sought out, you know, one

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of the first studios actuallywalked into was a man by the
name of Bob Perry, who was at atParker black Pope
kind of dubbed him the voice ofthe internationals because he
always did the announcing at theinternationals over the years.
Ironically, at the time, Ididn't know this, but my who
would become my futureinstructor. That was actually

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one of Bob Perry students aswell, back in the day was with
Bob white.
And I ended up only there for ashort period of time because I
moved and then I moved up toAnaheim hills, and one of
another student of Mr. White's,Dave rock was opening up a

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studio at that time when I wasdriving by stopped in there,
we're doing some sparring and Iobviously I love doing that. So
got involved with them, trainedwith him for several years, and
then ended up at Mr. White'sstudio and been there ever
since.

So misters, deep shoulder when you said rigorous
training. And, of course, backin that era was a little more,
you could say hardcore isn'twhat it is now.

They weren't, they definitely weren't
following the business model ofeverybody gets a trophy, and
everybody gets a pat on the backand a high five, let's put it
that way.

It was a badge of honor to leave with a black eye,
or at least some kind of Bruce

learn. This is true, there was a there's a lot
of stories to be told about thatparticular era, but it was kind
of I don't know, when you're,it's like anything when you're
growing up as you grew up poor.
And that's all you know, it'snot really anything special,
because that's what you know, ifyou grow up rich, that's what
you know, it's nothing reallyspecial. So it was kind of like

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the same way with with themartial arts, my training was
just what I knew, that's all Iknew. So I didn't really take it
to be there. Too much or toolittle or too hard or too soft.
It just, it just was and youknow, the ones that I really
enjoyed it. And I enjoyed thechallenge. And I my mother got
me involved. Partially I wantedto get involved, but my mother

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got me involved because I washaving a really rough time in
school. I didn't find out till Iwas about 35 that I was
dyslexic. And they tested me foreverything under the sun when I
was you know, in elementaryschool and in middle school to
try to find out why I was havingsuch a challenge with schooling.
Of all the things they didn'ttest me for was dyslexia. So had

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they they started with that set,but not so much. So anyways,
long story short, I, I wasgetting a lot of fights, my
confidence was way low. BecauseI, I was having a hard time in
school so that you can, it'seasy to adopt the opinion that
you're not very smart. Andthere's you have learning
problems or something else,because you're being brought to

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doctors that are trying to findout why you're having learning
problems. But it was obviouslysomething pretty simple. It's
just I was transposing numbersand getting that backwards. So I
had a really hard time withmath, but get in fights all the
time. You know, it would beeasier for me to just punch
somebody if I thought they werelaughing at me. So I would
constantly try to crack jokes,to get them to laugh with me

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instead of at me. And that waskind of my self defense
mechanism at the time. So Ibecame the class clown, I was
always kind of, you know, jokingin front of but anybody who I
thought that was kind of givingme a hard time in any other
sense of the word, I would justbe just too easy to put hands on
and, and start fighting. Soprincipal's office, became very
familiar with talks with momwith the principal very became

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very familiar. Got involved withmartial arts. And the first time
I kicked somebody in the head inclass, I was told that I did a
good job. And that obviously wasa big difference between kicking
somebody in their head at schooland being sent to the
principal's office and beingexpelled or whatever. So,

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because of that positivereinforcement of Hey, it's okay
to punch him in the face. Weactually encourage that, and we
encourage you to kick him in thehead too. I was like, Okay,
cool. I got an outlet for thatkind of boy youthful, you know,
energy that I think most kidshave. And I didn't get in fights
after that other than the onesthat people just gave me no

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other choice but to, you know,defend myself or whatever. So it
was a big turning point.

And during that time the you guys had those
macho gloves or those saplingsthat there are now

they didn't they had just come out with in
June re had just come out withsomething. I don't know if it
was late 70s, early 80s. But ourstudio didn't really have them
they they started coming up withcotton, cotton gloves. And I
think more than Taekwondostudios had warmed for
competition, just something alittle bit of formed a cover the

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knuckles and or the foot to helpTrump I don't even know if it
was to try to help not hurtingthe person you were punching or
kicking. He was more so youdidn't hurt your knuckles or
your foot. But I don't know, wedidn't use much. And they
eventually they started tobecome more popular. And
obviously people started seeingthe value of, you know, not
hurting your opponent whileyou're trying to train together.

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It's the same concept with youknow, Japanese swordsmanship.
You know, they use a Schneieryou know, Broken Sword during
practice, because if you cutsomebody with a live blade, it's
quite a recovery time. So yeah,that was a wrap your hands and
some taping and go for it. Yeah.

So you move out to Cali and you had a, you actually
had a good job, right, as youwere practicing. I mean, your
fancy martial arts, you had agood job. And then you just
martial arts was your life. Soyeah. So you, you decided to
trade that off? And I mean,obviously now, it's helped out
quite a lot. But during thattime, it was pretty challenging.

Yeah. So I worked for my uncle for a few
years, we retrofittedTransformers all throughout the
state of California in the theprison systems and the college
campuses were retrofitting andretrofitting PCB transformers,
which is a at the time the EPA,or the Environmental Protection

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Agency had mandated that all ofthe Transformers that had this
particular type of PCB or it'scalled poly chlorinated by
females, what they found out alittle too late that it was a
carcinogen. And in Japan, theywere spreading it on the roads
to keep the dust down. And itseeped into the food chain and
got into the, you know, thevegetation that people are

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eating and started causingcancer. So they anyways, they
they banned that. And we spent,you know, a lot of time just
pulling Transformers that hadthe oil in it, putting in dry
types or retro filling them andgetting their parts per million
under PCB content down. So I didthat for a few years. And then I
went on to work with GeneralElectric, which they rebuild

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this particular part of theGeneral Electric Company rebuilt
the high voltage powerdistribution transformers, like
the the large ones that you hadsee it, like the Hoover Dam, the
big large, they've come in on arail car, and he's a 400 ton
crane to pick them up. So I didthat for several years and made
great money worked all the time,and absolutely hated it. The

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saying that money cannot buy youhappiness is partly true, and
partly not. Because when you dohave more money, you can, you
know, show up to your problemsin a limousine or a Ferrari. But
when you absolutely hate what itis that you're doing, whatever
they pay, you just it usuallydoesn't doesn't matter. I've
heard all too many stories aboutpeople, you know, making

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millions of dollars in one day,getting up in the morning and go
into work and they make a righthand turn and they just keep
driving and they never come backand they leave everything. So I
got I got part of that Iactually went down to with a
friend of mine, Tony Sach.
Williams, who was a former WorldChampions, martial artists,
extreme extremely talentedmartial artists, really powerful

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guy. We went down to Australiato to some seminars with a
friend named Paul zadro, who hassome some martial arts studios
down there, he was holding hisfirst tournament, which he still
holds to this day now, probably3030 years later. So we were
doing some seminars down thereat his first tournament, and you

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know, I'm petting kangaroos andwhat it's been said about
blonde, blue eyed Australianwomen. It's true, there are a
few of those down there. So Ihad a great time and what came
back. And I was just, you know,during that trip, I'm thinking
I'm down here doing what I love,and I'm getting paid to do it.

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And I'm gonna go back to the jobthat I hate. And I just it
didn't work for me anymore. Theymade the cognitive dissidence
that went along with that wasjust more than I could bear. So
when the manager's office andyou know, resigned and my
manager at the time could nothave been happier that I
resigned. Because it was a unionjob, they, they really couldn't

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fire me. But I was when Iworked. I worked extremely hard,
put all my energy and effortinto it. But when I didn't work,
there would be sometimes a week,two weeks at a time, three weeks
at a time, I just wouldn't showup for work wouldn't call in
nothing. And when I run out ofmoney, I would show back up to
work. And there really wasn'tanything to do about it because
of the Union which in hindsight,you know, they just they should

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have found a way to fire mebecause I was just I was
definitely not what you shouldbe but I just hated it. And Tony
was Quit quit that job. Andwithin several months, several
months I went bankrupt because Icould no longer afford the
lifestyle that I lived makingthe type of money I did, and but
started the studio and it's beengrowing ever since.

So let's backtrack a bit. You're with Mr. Brock.
David Brock. And so I know yougot your black belt under barbed
wire. However, you were youtraining with Mr. White, and
they were broke at the same timeor?

No, I, I started training with Mr. Brock
didn't actually even really knowwho Mr. White was. It if it had
been brought up inconversations, or whatever the
name, it just didn't click withme. And at the time, I was, you
know, I was young at the time.
And my goal was just to spar andfight and there was a lot of it

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going on at daybreak students. Ijust didn't really have any need
to go anywhere else. It was notfar from my home. And so it was
I did, I did. Eventually Istarted questioning, okay, well,
if Dave Brock got as good as hedid, he must have learned it
from somebody who he learnedfrom and then I started seeing
some of the people that I wastraining with, I had also
trained with Mr. White and, youknow, accompany them on a couple

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different occasions down to hisstudio in Costa Mesa and, you
know, did some sparring classes,stuff like that. And then
eventually, I just Mr. Brockstudio had not sure what
happened, there was a transitionas far as the studio is
concerned, as far as where theywere located. So I ended up
starting to make that trip downto Costa Mesa on a regular

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basis. And he became myinstructor after that.

And was Mr. White still actively sparring during
that time? When can you getbecause when I'm referring to I
remember when I used to see youor Mr. Daniels or your Mr. promo
fight, I was starstruck. I waslike, Oh, my goodness. So by any
chance, did you ever see himspawn? I mean, how was that? I
did, Mr. White's been, you know,

it's been an instructor for, you know, 50
plus years now. So, you know,the time that he was really
active in sparring was farbefore I showed up at a studio.
Not to say that he wasn'tsparring anymore. But, you know,
I just didn't have theopportunity or the benefit of
seeing what he was doing at thetime. So I kind of missed that

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golden era.

Yeah, regard. Only wonder how that was. So you
started doing tournaments. Andthat, I mean, again, it when I
see you Friday, it's super, it'sawesome. I mean, I get started
to appreciate how manytournaments Have you done
throughout your life. And if youcould just have an idea of any

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tournament that comes to mindthat you that you could

talk about, I love my friend, Paul zetros
tournament in Australia, becauseit's the largest one in the
southern hemisphere. But it'sone that I just have such a
long, excuse me a longconnection to with regard to
going down there and teachingseminars, coming back quitting
my job and starting my studio,that that, you know, it kind of
pushed me over the edge to makesure that this was a full time

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thing. So I think it's more thannostalgia of that tournament,
and I've had the great fortuneof of winning it every time that
I've gone down there as far asthe fighting is concerned.
Actually, I take that back withone exception. Raymond Daniels
beat me with by one point inovertime, one time but that's
right. I mean, he's, he's handsdown probably the best point

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fighter in the history of sportkarate. So if you're going to
lose by a point to anybody,that's not a bad guy to lose to
so he's a great friend. Soanyways, that was a that's
probably one of the stands outthere's, I mean, there was
several we've done it, you know,all over the place on different
countries and whatever. So it'sjust, I think the traveling and

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all the, the unique experiencestraveling with their friends and
stuff like that, that makespretty much all of those
tournaments. Really cool. It'snot necessarily the tournament,
it's more of the experience ofthe tournament. That's always
been, you know, a big memory forme.

When you talk about experiences I remember winning
hills. March Madness, Caesarpeoples.

Unknown (19:15):
Yes, Cecil peoples.
Yes.

So that's two peoples. Yes, sir.
So there was a tournament youwere obviously on my corner. It
was a tight I don't know if youremember this, but it was tied
for for that I

tell you to blitz.

Yes. You said Blitz him and I looked at you like,
why and you just trust me justlit up. As soon as the referee
said go, hype lit, and I want togo lesson learned lesson
learned. And what I'm trying toget at, is that your favorite
thing to do and inspiring ablitz or what?

No, that was a strategic point I was making for
you as you're coming up so thatyou understood it. Sport karate
is about Basically just a game,it's not for real. So there's as
long as you understand thataspect of it, that it's just not
real combat, but it is a it. Thetechniques, concepts, principles

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that lie behind sport karate canbe applied to full contact, you
know, as we did years later inthe vcl, but the typically when
the score is tied, referees arehuman beings like everybody
else. So they're influenced tosome extent by what they see,

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and or what they see first. Andeven if what they see first is
not the point, if what they seefirst is the aggressiveness that
could warrant a point. Sometimesthey give that regardless of
whether it got struck first ornot. Because you're the
initiator, you're the one thattook that first charge, and they
see a human running towards theother human. So they it's like a

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jousting rod and the other guy'sjust standing still, right? So
they tend to, if you gave themif you gave 10 different
referees, the opportunity tolook at the same Blitz, and make
a decision which was wasn't apoint or not, most of them would
call it a point just because theperson's moving forward. Unless
it's such a real clear, youstuck your arm out there to back

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knuckle him and somebody drilledyou with a sidekick before you
could hit him, then of course,then it doesn't go that way. But
we've just found statisticallyover time, if the score is tied,
and the time has run out, Blitz,and you're likely to win. Yeah,
so that was good.
I love I love it all blitzing isI did a lot of it. I mean, that
was.

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That was a, that's a good funpart of it. Because you can
obviously, if you do it, well,you can do it fast. If you could
do it fast. Even score points ofview score points you can win.
And winning is pretty cool. Soit's all good.

And it's, I have another story. I mean, you were
with me, and Mrs. V was with me.
But it was a long beach citycollege a tournament, I was able
to get to the finals. And Imean, I don't remember who did
that tournament. But I'll tellit as I remember it, as I recall
it. I am here for gi otherstudents from the same

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tournament team bracket forgays. And then this guy, just
the GI pants a white shirt inputting eyes here. He's
stretching and when not. Andit's the finances him, him and
I. And it's because you saidit's just the game and you know,
the what is supposed to be justa game of tag, but this guy kept
hitting me hard. And I I like towatch my control. But I remember

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the first punch he gave me I waslike, Oh, it's gonna be that
kind of match. And you and Mrs.
Reid just looked at me and justgave me that look that he got.
What are you gonna do about it?
Because I remember everytournament where it was to power
one students going, you went tothe referee and said, they knock
each other out. It's okay. Don'tworry. So you just get humans
you gave me that login. I waslike, Oh, it's gonna be that

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type of game. And luckily, Iwon. But you know, it's, it was
it was pretty fun. But yeah, Imean, I just recall those times
where it was to par when peopleyou went up there my students,
whatever happened, let me know.
Okay.

Good opportunity to challenge
yourself. Right?

Oh, it was I mean, those times were were. So WC Oh,
how did that come about? How doyou get approached to that?

Well, Raymond Daniels was working with us here
at the power of one at the time.
And he wanted to make atransition from sport karate
into full contact fighting andasked me to coach him. And as we
were training for that part ofit, he that Chuck Norris kind of
resurrected a league that he'dstarted back in,

you know, I

think the early 70s. And in the back then
it was only like a few teams,but one of them was the Los
Angeles stars. And that justhappened to be the team that
they wanted to, you know, put uswithin as Raymond because they
wanted Raman to be one of thefighters in the league, because
he had a lot of charisma and hethought they would be a good

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draw for, you know, thetelevision and whatnot. It's a
good thing about, you know,Raman and anybody like him, the
Conor, McGregor's or anybodywho's got the ability to put on
a bit of a show. It's good forfans either way, because you
either want them to see them winin a spectacular way. Like
you're used to seeing them, oryou want to see them get their

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butt whooped. Right? And youwant to see him get shut up. So
either way, you're going to havefans showing up for one of those
two things. And I think thatthat's that's what kind of what
they wanted for him and he'sobviously extremely talented
athlete right now. He'sobviously the the bellator
welterweight world champion. So,in kickboxing, and he's Now
undefeated in MMA as well forwith Bella torso, he's, he's got

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he's just got to stage presence.
And I think that that WC lwanted that part of it. So when
they started saying, Okay, well,we've got a coach for that team.
And Raymond said, Well, I'm notgonna do it unless you have
column vendors and do it be thecoach. So, at the time, the
Commissioner of the league,which is the president of isca,
or international sport KarateAssociation, Corey Schaefer,

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called me up kind of gave me aquasi interview over the phone
to just find out who I was, and,and then finally just said,
okay, you know, sounds good,too, can you be the coach of the
de la team. And funny enoughabout that whole experience is
that our team was primarilycomprised of sport karate

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fighters. And all of thekickboxers that made up all of
the other teams in the leaguehad a preconceived belief that
we either one weren't qualifiedto be in the lead, because we
were sport karate fighters, orthat it was actually unsafe for
us to be in the league. Becausewe're sport karate fighters,

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like, it was almost like thatwe're putting ourselves at risk
getting in there with quote,unquote, full fledged real kick
boxers. And so match after matchafter the league started, we
heard the rumblings in the inthe locker rooms, and the
snicker and, and all the other,you know, giving us a hard time
this that, after about the, Idon't know, sixth or eighth

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event into the first season, Istarted seeing some of the same
people who are talking smackfrom other teams start to come
up to me at their events, andsay, Hey, you know what, I just
want to let you know, I justsigned up at a sport karate
studio, so could get better atmy full contact. And so you
could start to see the shiftthat was happening in their
minds, because we wereconstantly beating people. And,

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you know, long story short,we're the only team to have
never lost in in the, in theWTO. And it was all primarily
sport karate fighter. So thatsays something about sport,
karate, if you can put a fullcontact flair to it, you can
make it just as devastating, ifnot more than, than just
traditional kickboxing.

And that's kind of where my next question was going
towards. Do you believe the VCOwas a breaking point, because I
know back in the day, sport,karate, or point fighting was I
don't know if frowned upon wasis the word to say, however,
people didn't take it seriously.
But because they didn't knowthey didn't know that it helps
you close in the distance andget away fast enough, then they

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didn't know that once you closein the distance, you get 123
shots in and then back away. Soyou believe that was the
breaking point? And who wasthat? Okay, the sports karate
guys, they're, they're seriousbusiness. You know,

I don't know if it came from that or not. But
I do know this is that usually,there's only probably one reason
why anybody believes or doesn'tbelieve in anything. And it's
usually through lack ofknowledge. And if you've ever
gotten your ribs cracked, oryour nose broken, or your face
split open, doing sport, karate,you're not doubting that it

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doesn't have some power to beable to do some serious damage.
But the ones that have neverbeen out there and then have
never seen it or never felt it,it's really easy to sit on the
sidelines to be judgmentalabout, you know, is this, you're
just playing a game of tag. Anddon't get me wrong, you find
enough because they, they madeit. So if you hold a karate
tournament, you could have fouryear old kids getting in there,

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and punching and kicking, andnot doing any real damage to one
another. But then you could andbeginner four year olds,
obviously right? And then youcould fast forward to a teenager
that's a green belt that's beentraining since he was four years
old, but now has some prettydecent skill and ability and is
now starting to come into theirown whether it's male or female

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come into the strength of theirbody. As they're starting to
approach adulthood, they canstart to do some damage. Well,
then you add a black beltdivision, those 16 year olds who
now 21 that are been trainingsince they were four, start to
get some serious powerinability, then just go up
another notch where it's like,okay, there's some people that
have been doing this, sincethey're kids now they're in
their 30s. And they've beendoing it for a long time.

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They're in great shape. They'regreat athletes, and they, they
can you just do some seriousdamage to somebody if you don't
pull things or control it, butthey made it so a wide variety
of people could do it. You couldbe that accountant that was 50
years old, a little overweight,but still wanted the joy of
competition and challengingyourself. You could get out

(29:49):
there and do it withoutpotentially having to have a CAT
scan at the end of it, you know,be brought to the hospital. So
kind of made for me. So I'm notsure to answer your question
whether or not WC l was the Thething that put it over, but I
will say this, it definitelyover time garnered the respect
of a lot of fullcontactkickboxers about what sport
karate fighters could do. And Ithink we made a made a pretty

(30:12):
good example of that part.

Oh, yeah, cuz I mean, I recall back when I think
it was Woodley, he was going tofight Thompson. And Willie
actually looked up, Mr. Danielsbecause Mr. Daniels was the only
one that had a Stephen Thompsonstyle. So that's why I mean, and
of course, Mr. Daniels comesfrom a sports karate background.

(30:34):
So that's why I'm like, Okay,now sports karate, you know,
it's getting taken tears and Ilike that because I remember
when I was younger, startingthis up, puberty said, What are
you doing? Are you just taggingI'm like, well, that's our
sport, but if I get it, I neverdoubted him. However, I was
like, if I really did psychicyou or if I really did come in
with a job, you're going to gethit. So

have you looked at Steven Wonderboy?
Thompson. Yeah. He's obviously avery, you know, reputable
fighter in the Wcm. I mean, he'shad some some significant wins.
He's had a few losses but he'sdefinitely gone in there and
proven that just because you dosport credit, which he came from
that type of a background karatebackground, that it doesn't make

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you any any weaker than anybodyelse. You know, he's got a lot
of heart and, and he's done areally good job of representing
karate, just as Raymond Danielshas done within the MMA world.
So

yeah. So the power one self defense Institute, I
mean, I can you just help me outfor the people that are
listening that don't know, powerof one? How did that name came
about?

So as I mentioned before, when I went to
Australia with Sach Williams, weare getting ready to leave in
about a week, and we drove pastthe marquee of a movie theater,
and the movie with MorganFreeman, the power of one had
just come out and never saw themovie. And there was a book
written by Bryce Courtney thatthe movie was made after that

(32:06):
I'd never written the bookwritten or read the book rather
either but I saw the words powerof one on the marquee and for
those that are listening thatwould know such Williams know
he's a pretty dark skinnedNubian black man who maybe in
you know, as Caucasian as youcould pretty much be like a

(32:28):
Casper the Friendly Ghost andthis, you know, dark Nubian skin
black man. It reminded me of theYin and Yang, which the you
know, the, the white and blackof that part of it. And us going
down to the to Australia, wekind of, like, Damn Darla little
seminar, tour, the power of one.
So ironically enough, as wellthat Bryce Courtney was living
in Australia, as well, we just Ididn't know any of this stuff,

(32:53):
too long time after that. Andyeah, kind of a whole funny
story that goes along with that,and Mrs. V and the power of one
as well. But that's how, youknow, when I came back, and I
quit my job. I just took thesame name and call it power when
self defense has to do because,yeah, I've always liked the idea

(33:14):
of groups of people workingtogether for a common cause.
There's far too much, me, myselfand I going on out in the world,
and there's not enough us. Andwe and I think that's probably a
larger cause for most of theworld's problems is it's the
greed, it's the trying to getone over on someone else. It's,
it's always that, you know, oneup and not trying to

(33:38):
collectively try to makesomething happen as a group.
And, you know, I get, there'sreasons why some of that stuff
happens. But at the same time,it doesn't justify it or make it
right, in a lot of cases aswell. So we've been trying to,
between that concept, and theconcept of that one person can
make a difference. You can bethat spark that ignites a flame

(34:01):
that brings a lot of peopletogether. So it doesn't
necessarily need to be, youknow, a large group of people to
start with, right, it could bethat one drop of water that
starts the waterfall. And sohopefully, we've been over the
years trying to impress thatupon the students to have more
teamwork and have more sense ofcommunity. And, you know, we're

(34:24):
been active in our community fora lot of years, hopefully
leading by example, as far asthat goes, and that with our in
our nonprofit foundation, andwhatnot, but that's kind of the
long and short of that, thatstory with power one.

Yeah. And I mean, I didn't mention this earlier.
However, it's just coming backto me. But when I was joining
that class, I, you look, when Ifirst joined, I did look at you
and you looked at me and I said,Oh, well, you know what, I don't
have the income yet. And you'relike, I didn't ask you for that.
I just asked you Do you want to?
Do you want to participate? AndI said, No, you don't get it. I

(34:57):
don't have the money yet. LikeThat's not what I asked to do
you want to try and use that youknow what? You wouldn't you went
to the little bathroom you hadback in the day, you brought out
a GI and here go put this on andcolonists. Okay, thank you. And
yeah, that's after that's allshe wrote. Yeah. And like you
said, Yeah, one person can makea difference in, you definitely

(35:17):
made a difference in my life.
Yeah.

I appreciate the kind words is, it's good to
know that what's being said ordone over the years is actually
making an impact in somecapacity or another. There's a
there's enough people, in myopinion, that are taking up
space on this planet. Granted,they've got their own missions
that they're all set about onbut there's a lot of them that

(35:42):
are on some selfish missions,which I'm glad you got something
from it.

Oh, I did. I mean, I don't know if you recall, that
used to be extra shy, super shyand didn't talk much. And it
happened two occasions, the sameday, we went to Vegas. You said,
Jose, I didn't know you talkthis much.

You know, like, that's the fact that we're
sitting here doing a podcastwith with you. That's that's
another clear sign that, youknow, the confidence has changed
a lot in that part. Because Idefinitely would not have
expected this to happen, youknow, 20 years ago, that's for
sure how long ago that was?

Oh, that was? Yeah.
2000 2001 2002 is when they camein? And yeah, I mean, I
honestly, I was just in theshow. I mean, that's and that's
the story I tell to a lot ofparents that come in that say,
Oh, my, my voice too shy. Youknow, he doesn't join in. And
sometimes, I mean, most of thetime to the parents, however, we
switch the words, you know, mychild is confident and start

(36:40):
putting those words in them.
Because that I know, that wouldhave helped me out a lot when I
was younger. Oh, yeah, my, and Iheard all the time. In Spanish,
his podcast, but also becausehe's shy. And I'm pretty sure
this review. But if you hearthat a lot, you're gonna start
believing that. That's a fact.
Yeah. So if parents are tellingtheir kids Oh, he's confident,

(37:01):
you know, he'll get it, he'llget it he'll get kids will start
hearing them more and more. Andokay, well, I'll try it. And we
have those kids that cry outsideof the studio, because they
don't want to come in, then theycome in the studio, but they
cry, they don't want to go onthe mat, then they get on the
mat, but they don't do anything.
They're just sitting there. Andbefore you know it, they're
standing up in their attentionstance, and they're doing a

(37:23):
class. So that's, I mean, I loveevery single student, but those
are the students that kind ofstick out to me as

well. Yeah, there's countless experiences
over the years with kids in thesimilar positions. And some
reason why I've been sopassionate about martial arts,
my whole life is not only whatit's done for myself, but what
I've seen it do for so many, youknow, just 1000s of young
people, and not just youngpeople, but some people that

(37:50):
started a little bit later inlife, but they still, you know,
wrap their brain around the, theidea that I can, and not only I
can, I will, and then that allof a sudden starts
springboarding into so manyother things that they just
didn't believe that they werecapable of doing. And I think
that's where a lot of theconfidence is stemming from
which is great. So we obviouslycould you could hold a whole

(38:12):
podcast, which I'm sure thatmost of the people that you've
interviewed have kind of hadsimilar opinions about what
martial arts does for it. Imean, we were obviously a bit
biased, because we've, you know,made our lives doing it. But ya
know, it's, it's, it's goodstuff.

Yeah. And I mean, I love it. So besides martial
arts, obviously, I know, but youlove to read, you love to read
any recommendations that youwill give everyone to open up a
book and start reading?

You know, it's just a really challenging
question, because it's easy toput off, you know, put out all
kinds of different ideas aboutdifferent things to read the
challenges, if you're notinspired, but what by what it is
that you're reading, you're notgoing to read it, or you won't
read it and absorb it. So in myopinion, to give out those bits

(39:03):
of advice, periodically, I'llthrow something out if somebody
says, Hey, I'm, you know, reallyinterested in learning more
about X, Y, or Z, I can throwout a book that I'd said, you
know, this happened to besomething that was related to z.
So you know, you might want tolook into this one or some ideas
about something else, but Ireally enjoy biographies and

(39:23):
autobiographies. And I like tounderstand other people's
journeys that have because we'reall having, you know, sometimes
people think that there were,you know, human beings having
spiritual experiences. And Itend to believe that we're
spiritual beings having humanexperiences, but those human

(39:45):
experiences have a lot ofcommonalities between just each
and every one of us that we'reall in pursuit of something. And
that something is justdifferent. In a lot of cases,
from the person that may bestanding next to you, but but
they're also in pursuit ofsomething. And I think if you

(40:08):
start to pursue the books thatare focused on that something,
it'll either increase your driveto know more about that, you
know, quote unquote, something,and you'll become more, just the
educational level on thatsubject is just going to be
greater. So whether thatfulfills something within you

(40:30):
personally. Or it's somethingthat you feel it's the need to
express to other people afterlearning it. I mean, there's a
lot of people who, over the lastseveral 1000 years, obviously
have read many different typesof religious and scholarly books
in that sense. And as a resultof reading and studying them,

(40:52):
they go on, and they try toshare that information with
others. And, as with martialarts, I don't believe you truly
know anything until you've givenit away to somebody else. So it
really forces you to have abetter understanding of it for
yourself to be able to put itinto words to explain it to
someone else. So they get it.
And not only just them, but ifyou if you give that information

(41:13):
out to multiple people,everybody's going to interpret
it slightly different. So if youcan get it across to a bunch of
different types of, of minds andways of thinking, you're going
to be forced to then understandit, know it that much better for
yourself. So that's kind ofaround you know, a little bit
out of the way answer to thattype of question. But Yep, I, I

(41:34):
would just say, read, read andread something that inspires
you. Because that's the best,best advice I've got on books,
I've got so many of them, it'sbe hard to like, try to pick
anyone, but actually, I willpick one for you read the power
of one, or one only say that ifyou haven't read it before, but

(41:54):
it does address the issue ofapartheid in South Africa during
the early 1900s. And I think ifif you know, racism and racist
such a challenging subject forso many people that I think if
you've got your brain wrappedaround enough knowledge on why
we've arrived at the place we'reat with race, I think more

(42:21):
people would it doesn't excuseor condone anything that's
negatively taking place with anyinterracial conflict or, or
challenge. But at least it givessomeone an idea of like, where
did this all come from? Like thewe didn't just wake up one day,

(42:43):
and all of a sudden there was arace issue. But the and then
once you read it, and anythingelse about that particular
subject, my strongestrecommendation is you forget it
completely. It's because we, wehave a tendency to it's good to

(43:04):
have an understanding, but thenit's good to forget it because I
think the more people talk aboutit. If you're trying if you're
trying to talk about things in asolution oriented way, it's
noble, but at the same time ifif I had to talk with you, your
ethnicity is what? Mexican?

(43:27):
Yeah, from from from Mexico,mine, I was born in
Massachusetts, but my familyhailed from Holland at one point
in time in history, and amixture of that, and, you know,
French and Canadian and whatnotand Native American.
We're all a melting pot of justa whole variety of different

(43:48):
things. If you go back farenough, we're going to end up
having some sort of a, you know,a connection towards we're
pretty much all coming from thesame source anyways. So that's
why I say try to forget it afterthat point. Because the more you
try to bring it up and be themore of an issue becomes about
it. If you watch to two toddlersat two years old, have different

(44:10):
races, play with each other, youcan easily see that race is not
something you're born into. It'ssomething that you're taught and
sooner we can kind of move pastthat I think and realize that
we're all just human beings orbeings rather or being so
there's, there's there's onebook

Yeah, no, I remember one one of the books
you told me to read was The DaleCarnegie one. How to Win Friends
and Influence People. Yes. Andthat when I stick to my heart a
lot and I read it from time totime, I've actually taken the
word but out of my vocabularybecause great book, great and I
replaced it with however, cuz Iknow when we're teaching, and I

(44:57):
said, Alright, good job on yourkicks, but keep your hands Hands
up. That negates everything wesay the word but however, and
when a kid's kicking, he said,those are awesome kicks, would,
can you help me out? Or however,can you keep those hands up?
That way, they can become morestrong and no one could hit you?
And they're like, Oh, yeah,okay, they get excited. They're

(45:18):
gonna say because that I didn'tsay, but which, to me after I
read, I was like, that is sucha, you know, not a bad word, but
such a negative impact on thekids. And yeah, it took it off
my vocabulary. And I say,however, I'm not, and or I give
them another, let's keep thosehands up just that way, you
know, you hate the face, andthey get excited for it. Because

(45:39):
I, I have seen the differencewhen I say but strong kicks, but
keep those hands and they go,Oh, okay. So

yeah, the quality of your thoughts affect
the quality of your words, andthe quality of your words affect
the quality of somebody else'sexperience around you. So the
closer you pay attention tothose words that are leaving
your lips, and prior to thatbeing formed in your brain, the
I think the better lifeexperience you're going to have

(46:07):
not only for yourself, but forothers around you. And it's it
can be challenging, there's notwo ways about it. There's days
that people wake up, myselfincluded. That will be you'll
just be often you'll likesometimes from I'll speak for
myself, I don't know why. Justnot feeling right that day. Some
things are just it's not, asit's been termed as clicking.

(46:30):
It's just not clicking for you.
But if you change your mindset,change your thoughts, you start
to change. What it is that youfocus your thoughts on, you
start to change what your focusyour, you know, your experience
becomes. So it's prettypowerful, especially if you're
standing in front of a group ofa bunch of eight year old kids
are five year old kids, youknow, there they can change your
mindset for you if you're notcareful. Yeah, make you make you

(46:54):
want to throw a couple of themup and down in the air a couple
times. But they're, you know,they're they're just being busy
being five year olds. And it'sif you don't remind yourself
that Oh, that's what five yearolds do. That's right. I've kind
of forgot for a second. fiveyear olds want to pick their
nose and they want to wipe it ontheir friend sit next to him.
Yeah, you can't really get madat him for it. Because that's a

(47:16):
five year olds do know,

the best one for me is when I'm teaching a class and
the kids go, Where's Mr. s? Oh,he's inside. It's my turn to
teach the class. Oh, so he's notgoing to come out? Well, I'm
here. Don't you guys want to gettaught by me? No. Oh, okay. Just
your Mr. s in the backgroundlaughing and I love to what, how
are you give me a chance today.
And then Mr. S will be heretomorrow. And they go Okay, a

couple things in life that you can count on
being extremely honest. One is afive year old kid. And the other
is yoga pants. Either way,you're getting it. Right.

Mr. v? Well, I mean, we could sit here all day
and talk, I mean, just reminisceof the old times. I do have one
question. And without givinganything away? How do you can
come up with a black belt test.
And without giving anythingaway, of course. But just the
ideas that go into it. Ofcourse, we sit down at the beach
drink martinis and watchdolphins and whatnot, I just

(48:27):
wonder how you came up withthose ideas with that idea.

Okay, for the listeners that are concerned of
the bears, or really want tojoin our studio because they
thinks martinis and dolphins areinvolved. Let me just stop you
right there. Come for otherreasons, please. But so I
understand what your

your question is, yeah.

There is.
Well, for the you know, ifyou're if you're listening, and
you have been a student thathave earned a black belt here,
then you wouldn't know whattakes place on our black belt
test because we keep itconfidential to the point where
I think one of the biggestchallenges for most humans is

(49:12):
either the need for certainty orthe lack of need. So if you're
an adventurous person, your needfor certainty is probably less,
because you're kind of wantingit to be fresh and new. And you
know, you want it to surpriseyou. Unfortunately, there's a
lot of people's brains that arewired to the point where they,

(49:34):
they almost need certainty,almost to the point where if
they don't have it, they'refilled with anxiety, fear,
doubt, worry, all the otherdifferent emotions that can
plague a human for not knowinghow things are going to turn
out. So we've kept thisconfidential so that we can do
our best to create a level ofour uncertainty. And in spite of

(49:59):
that uncertainty, the studentwill go into it with the
confidence necessary to tackleany and all challenges that are
put before them, even thoughthey don't know what's about to
take place. And I think as aresult of that, there's a
greater ability to pull fromthat experience later on in life
after the test is done. For anyother areas that you approach in

(50:22):
your life that are like, how doI just, I don't know how this is
going to work out, I don'treally know what to do here. I
don't know what this is gonna belike, but you go for it, and you
do it anyways. And then usually,you'll find out more often than
not, it turns out way betterthan you anticipated, because
our minds are, you know, can beour best friends or our worst
enemies. And for a lot ofpeople, it tends to be your

(50:43):
worst enemy more often than not,will conjure up, you know,
demons and, you know, you know,monsters and all kinds of other
stuff in our head that justnever ever come to fruition,
they never show their ugly face.
And it usually turns out to be alittle smiling kitten or a
little baby's face instead. Butum, as far as creating the the

(51:09):
four day test it, I wanted it tobe challenged, because if
somebody was going to train onfor a number of years, we've
had, we've been almost 30 yearsnow going at it. And for the
most part, it's taken on anaverage of between anywhere
between six to 12 years to get aturn a black belt. So I figured

(51:34):
anybody that's going to put thatamount of time and effort and
energy and finance for thatmatter into that goal for
themselves. that there should besome sort of a monumental
experience at the end of it,that is something that's
physically challenging mentallyand spiritually challenging
something that is, they're goingto be able to look back on and

(51:55):
use as fuel to motivate themthrough any other hardship that
they may come across later inlife. So I set out with it with
that in mind, and then Ideveloped the different things
that we do throughout the test,in accordance to that one belief
that I want it to be, you know,memorable. And doesn't, it is,
as you know, because you've beenthrough it, it is very

(52:18):
physically physically arduous.
You know, I've had people thathave gone through it that have
said it's been harder than, youknow, military training that
they've done, or, you know, bootcamps or when anything like
that, but but it's alsoachievable, it's not something
that we made so difficult, thatyou're not going to be able to
do it. And I know we're nottrying to produce Navy SEALs or
you know, Army Rangers or anyother elite military force, but

(52:41):
we are, you know, looking to getyou if you ever do have to come
down to defend yourself on thestreet. A lot of that is going
to come to your the intestinalfortitude to be able to fight on
even against potentially asuperior adversary. And if that
adversary is stronger than youare and or has potentially more

(53:04):
skill or weaponry than you do,your ability to suck it up and
drive on and do whatever ittakes in order to thwart that
attack. Because as we know, theend result, if you don't, is not
pretty. So it's very difficultto replicate that in a, in a
sanitary environment withamongst friends, because if

(53:24):
you're my friend, I don'tnecessarily want to just keep
walking up and punching you inthe mouth as hard as I can to
see if you're going to be toughenough to keep coming back after
me. But in some cases, you needto get hit sometimes and you
need to get rocked, you need toget your bell rung, you need to
get the wind knocked data. Andyou need to be pushed to a point

(53:45):
where you're and I'm not sayingall of this stuff is necessarily
happening on your Blackboardtest, as you know, but it's
things that happen is over thecourse of time, if you're
training, you know, with somelevel of reality, you've got to
go through those experiences.
Because if not, there's going tobe a bit of a hollow black belt
for you waiting at the end thatyou're going to put it on and

(54:06):
you're going to think that I'mpart Superman and part
superhero. And then you mightrealize that, you know, you're
more more like Daffy Duck and,you know, it's not really a it's
a it's a very difficult thing toto create a sense of realism,
and get enough people to want toparticipate in that realism in

(54:28):
training, therefore, having atest like this gives them an
opportunity to control theenvironment to still challenge
themselves, not really knowwhat's next. Rise up in spite of
it. And something tell somestories to your other buddies
who went through the sameexperience and kind of kind of
laugh and commiserate about thegood times that went on during

(54:48):
it. But as you and I both know,it's not the black belt test
that makes you a black belt.
It's what you do it leading upto the black belt test that
really makes it that part isjust really a formality and I
tried to make it a is part funand challenging so that that
would be a great experience whenit was all said and done. And
hopefully I created that.

(55:09):
through it.

You know, you would know what I mean, when you were
saying the realism get somebumps and bruises along the way
of your journey, not necessarilyin Blackboard test. It was my
yellow belt. JOHN Sloan. Yes.
And I remember Ron, Ron RonJones, Ron, Mr. Jones. Yeah. It
was a it was three of us andthese guys are close to six foot

(55:34):
if not in

close. ron ron. JOHN. Seems like he's seven
feet tall. But he's not. I don'teven know if he's quite six foot
tall. maybe six feet. He's astrong Yeah, he's

wrong guy. I just remember you. I don't know what
I did that they were you werelike Jose, you're gonna wrestle
those two. I was like, Wait,what? I'm over here. 716 1718
years old. Oh, my. Okay. I justremember getting tossed like a
boy. Oh, boy. Oh,

rock. Ron Jones. grew up on the streets of
you know, Compton and wattsduring the during the 60s. And
yeah, definitely. JOHN Sloan.
He's got to be 632 160 pounds.
If he's, if he's a pound. So anyyou know, he's also in the law

(56:23):
enforcement as well. So this isnot a he's not a man to be joked
around with? Oh, no, I

just I just remember getting tossed like a
rag. And I just kept What did Ido to Mr. Wizard, but I mean,
it's those bumps and bruises.
You realize, wow, okay, if Icould take that, you know, my
confidence, it did really riseup my confidence, they really go
up because I would still twoguys two big guys. I was like,
okay, you know, what, bring itand

you know, and that's, that's I think the goal
of getting some level of realitytrade into both of those guys
are great human beings. So theyhave set out to try to do you
know, grave bodily harm, but atthe same token, knowing that
they could if they wanted tomatch you forces you to raise
your game to say, Okay, well,let's, let's, let's be on my
toes about this. When are wegonna get hurt? But uh, yeah,

(57:13):
it's important. It's hard tosubstitute that by by talking
about it. You got to have to doit.

I just find it because I remember a few years.
year and a half back, doingjujitsu. I see john Sloane.
Like, oh, hey, Johnny. Hey,Jose, how's it going? Alright,
free grapple. Oh, yeah, Iremember that. Yeah. It's my
turn.

(57:40):
Yeah, good times. I mean, ofcourse, I was nice and whatnot.
It's but it's just that yellowbow. Just came back and
clipping. I was like, Oh, it'smy turn. Now, john.

Take that big stick out of your bag and carry
it around ever since? Yeah, myturn

my turn. Well, Mr.
v. Thank you so much, again, foryour time,

I appreciate it.

Now, I've surprised everyone this and I just, you're
probably the best sort of personfor this. Any words of wisdom
for your students or for anyonethat's listening that you could
just give out on top of thehead?

Can you be more specific about why just
words of wisdom,

anything in particular, anything in general,
like any parting words before wetake off?

Well, there's obviously being being a teacher
for so many years, there'sobviously a lot of lessons, you
know, you work to impart onpeople. But if there's, if I was
to die tomorrow, and youcouldn't get another word out of
me, I would say, do your best tolove one another. The martial
arts is a great tool for a lotof different reasons. It's got a

(58:49):
lot of benefits, and a lot ofattributes that I think help in
the human experience and thejourney that people have in
life. But if the message of thepower of one, the unity, the
fact that we're all in thistogether, there is only one
Earth, you can choose to try to,you know, do something positive

(59:10):
with it, and about it. And forit, or you can choose to do
stuff that people do on aregular basis and either take it
for granted, do stuff to it thatis not sustainable, and have the
long term best interests for notonly earth but humanity in
general. At heart, and I justthink that we can get more

(59:35):
people thinking about uscollectively as as a species
instead of individually tryingto pin it on, you know, it's my
race. So these are my awards orthis is my this and that's, you
know, my that it's just thatwe're, we're in this together.
It's good to have pride. Don'tget me wrong, but at the same
time if the pride starts toovershadow Someone else's and or

(01:00:01):
to the point where it's likeit's more about me and or me or
and or my quote unquote my kindI think that becomes detrimental
to the long term survivabilityof humanity without any conflict
or violence so you won't needmartial arts in the the
capacities for self defense ifyou don't have to worry about
violence. So that would be my mybest bit of knowledge or advice

(01:00:24):
I can give at that point.

Jose Flores (01:00:25):
Thank you so much, sir. My pleasure. Thank you for
the people that want to join inand there's the website correct.

Colin Van Deusen (01:00:34):
Power of One martial arts.com and PL one
mma.com pale in mma.com, I thinkis going to be our newest site
that's got probably the mostrelevant or relevant information
on it.

Jose Flores (01:00:46):
So if you're in the Long Beach area, Lakewood area
co beach area, Carson City andeven Atlanta. Yeah, power one
martial arts.com or PL one MMA.
Tacoma, calm, Colorado's andladies and gentlemen again, sir,
thank you so much. Thank you.
Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
Thank you, sir. Have a good one,everyone.

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Colin Van Deusen | 6 time International Sport Karate Champion | 8th Deg. American Kenpo Karate Black Belt | Founder of Power of One Self Defense Institute

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