August 25, 2022 • 55 mins
Join our special guest host, Cathy Kim, the Director of Golf for Baltimore Country Club as she interviews our guests from Gachon University based in Seoul, South Korea. We go behind the scenes to learn how golf is different in Korea and how it has become such an important part of the culture. As one guest says about golf, it is more popular than religion in South Korea. And one of the key differences is how they organize and teach golf at University in addition to the golf academies and golf courses.
Our special guests for this episode include Jaewon Kwak, a senior professor with Gachon University. She holds a PhD. in Physical Education with a specialization in Golf. She also holds the enviable distinction of being the coach that introduced Rolex Women's World No.1 player, Jin Young Ko to golf, teaching her the fundamentals of golf and a solid golf swing foundation that has enabled her to become one of the best players in the world.
Hyemin Kim is our other special guest and is an instructing professor with Gachon University in their golf program. She is a former Epson tour player having played from 2012 through to 2019.
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Cathy Kim (00:24):
Hello and good afternoon. Welcome to We're
bringing new guests from aroundthe world of golf. My name is
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Hello and welcome back to the show. Let me
instruction at Baltimore CountryClub in Baltimore, Maryland.
they both teach at ClemsonUniversity. And their names are
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the show.
Jaewon Kwak (03:03):
Hi, nice to meet you.
Hyemin Kim (03:05):
Hello,
Cathy Kim (03:06):
nice to meet you. Hi,
Jaewon Kwak (03:08):
I'm glad today
Cathy Kim (03:09):
by the way. Oh, yes.
All right.
I was gonna say to the audiencethat we are recording via zoom.
First, can you give us a littlebit about your background and
Jaewon Kwak (03:34):
Okay, first, I'm very glad to join, join this
leader. And I was actually myfamily is called family my
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attendance and for that. Okay,yeah, my family. Anyway, my all
influence to me. So I graduatedin physical education. I majored
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first start when she wasstarting the golf, so I'm very
Cathy Kim (04:45):
And what what how old was Jin Young ko when you taught
Jaewon Kwak (04:49):
13? Around 13?
Yeah, I think that was the
Cathy Kim (04:59):
And was that when she first started golf? Or did she
Jaewon Kwak (05:05):
Yeah, it's you know, that was the first time to
But after that after a fewmonths she did I decided to
Cathy Kim (05:24):
And did you see the the successful future in her
Jaewon Kwak (05:30):
In my opinion, I think, I think I teach her basic
try to be a professional golfer.
And she has a very big passion
Cathy Kim (06:03):
I definitely recognize as an instructor
they are put on the right path,so to speak, whether they decide
is, is one of the most importantthings for the golf journey. So
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Yeah.
Jaewon Kwak (06:35):
I want to say like this. Thank you very much. Yeah.
Cathy Kim (06:41):
So tell us I'm after -- so you, you've coached for a
Jaewon Kwak (06:51):
To Jin Yong? Yeah, around one year. Yeah. And then
years. And then I decided tolearn. I decided to enter the
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have the education or backgroundof the marketing, marketing
I decided to enter the doctoratedegree again. And finally, now I
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in Manila for five years as aphysical education teacher,
going, I went there, I want toset up the golf as a service PE,
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already taught golf as a PE inNational University in
Cathy Kim (08:21):
Wow. That's incredible. So I'm
Jaewon Kwak (08:23):
very proud of you.
Cathy Kim (08:25):
How often do you go back to Manila to visit or
Jaewon Kwak (08:29):
nowadays I couldn't go there because my parents are
but maybe maybe one one yearafter, two year after I'm not
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through online until now.
Cathy Kim (08:55):
Wow, that's incredible. So let's go ahead
bachelor's and then when youwent into get your master's, you
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PhD in physical education, youspecialized in golf, is that
Jaewon Kwak (09:21):
Yes, that's true.
Cathy Kim (09:23):
That is a lot of golf.
Jaewon Kwak (09:25):
Yeah, all my life is golf. Your whole life? No,
with I cannot think about thegolf because of when I was born,
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live with with the golf. I thinkso.
Cathy Kim (09:54):
You live and die with golf.
Jaewon Kwak (09:58):
I hope so.
Cathy Kim (10:01):
So, you know, being in academia that's related to
very special to South Korea. Ithink can you touch a little bit
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it start? As as far as you know?
And is it something that's
Jaewon Kwak (10:35):
Okay, so when I was young, I actually I started the
this. Only the ladies ladiescall for a woman scoffers only
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young golfers, not theprofessional golfers, the junior
lot. I think that is the that isthe time time for exploring the
Cathy Kim (11:38):
Oh, that's incredible. So I was born and
Open. I think it it definitelyinfluenced women's and girls
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opportunities for AsianAmericans and current especially
And, and also from just theother perspective, Jenny's
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American. And so in that era ofgolf, where you really didn't
it's absolutely incredible.
What's very pacted for the sportof neat to be able to hear the
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other side of the coin and whatincredible. So I think that's,
that's really amazing.
Jaewon Kwak (13:03):
Yeah, I think so.
Cathy Kim (13:05):
So, professor Kim, let's go ahead and head over to
of the on course professors. Isthat correct?
Hyemin Kim (13:16):
Yeah, I'm teaching our students swing technique.
Cathy Kim (13:22):
Course Management?
And a little bit about yoursome success on the Symetra tour
as well. Could you give us a
Hyemin Kim (13:42):
Oh, yeah, um, um, being on the Symetra tour player
it's a six weeks in a row oreight weeks in a row on the lot
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travel expenses, it's veryexpensive tour as well. Also, so
will. You won't go ever thatkind of place. Which, for
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there. Oh, um, or Garden City inKansas. That's three hours
there. So yeah, it's veryunique. And you can see lots of
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people with their kids on thecourse they fill in the divots
different than Koreatournament's situations like
Cathy Kim (15:24):
So for for our listeners just to clarify the
tour was, it has been newlynamed as steps into her. Could
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with American tours? Because Ido know that it's something that
Hyemin Kim (15:54):
Um, yeah, the field is def... yeah, definitely the
time during the summer.
Sometimes we sometimes hearthe most field in Korea, it's
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like 144, maybe 150 to some mostEpson tour, it's first come
first serve, we can we can playtime. And we have to find these
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days there is some golf coursescourse has a driving range
together in Korea, but normallyrange all together. So it's safe
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sometimes when we're actually
Cathy Kim (17:26):
As far as the purses go, and what your earnings were
Hyemin Kim (17:35):
Oh, can you can you tell me one more time?
Cathy Kim (17:37):
Yes, that the purses - your earnings? How much you
Hyemin Kim (17:47):
Oh, I like I haven't played a Korean LPGA Tour for a
when I seen on the TV, like onthe on the screen there person
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than us at LPGA. I think they'retheir personal our purses
but it's still much better thanlong time ago.
Cathy Kim (18:38):
Definitely becoming more competitive, you would say?
university that both of you arecurrently at -- Gachon
and its standing in Korea aswhat kind of university is known
Jaewon Kwak (19:04):
Gatchon University is a comprehensive university
University, Kangwon University,Gachon Q-University this is
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are the four University we it isthe first Korea to integrate for
Seongnam and medical campuses inIncheon, including medica
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Academic in Hawaii, Hawaii, notit's it's not really campuses.
Cathy Kim (20:21):
like an exchange program kind of thing or is it
Jaewon Kwak (20:25):
Not really? In Gachon university they can study
University, we have a goal. Thisis the become one of the top 100
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vision. And also we have anothergoal of our golf program. I'll
That is our goal.
Cathy Kim (21:11):
Yes. Sign me up. Sign me up.
Jaewon Kwak (21:15):
I will ask my boss, actually, I'm very sad. About
busy at the moment. She's veryinfluence in golf field in, in K
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join Cannot join today?
Cathy Kim (21:50):
Well, I hope we can get her next time on an
Jaewon Kwak (21:55):
Yeah, I hope so. I hope so. We can talk a lot of
Cathy Kim (22:01):
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Cathy Kim (22:36):
Thank you. We're back. So let's -- Can we talk a
Kim, would you like to take thisone?
Hyemin Kim (22:50):
Yes.
Cathy Kim (22:51):
Can you? Yeah, great.
So what what? What does thepractical learning involved? Can
you give us a little bit of
Hyemin Kim (23:06):
Oh, yes. Um, so normally, we have a two
fundamental something like gripsinstead of body movement kind of
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we add the range for instructorswill be there to teach for three
issues. So it's good to haveenough time to let them talk
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So when we add the range, so wework on that kind of stuff. And
course management. Personally, Ithink this is the most important
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high numbers with the wrong Ami.
Cathy Kim (24:19):
Yes. How many? How many students are in each class?
Hyemin Kim (24:27):
I'm most I think 20 people at every single class,
Jaewon Kwak (24:33):
Actually, our class is 23. In other other
one class. So we just decided toonly 20 something.
Cathy Kim (24:49):
So what is the teacher to student ratio in the
Hyemin Kim (24:58):
I'm normal. Li, we make a small group like four or
how many people can come to thatevery single class. Not every,
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it's all it's all depends, but Ithink normally it's like four
Cathy Kim (25:32):
awesome. And how are their handicaps? What what type
Hyemin Kim (25:40):
one or one I think only one people are super
the course when I was playingwith her normally I think every
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handicapper, too,
Jaewon Kwak (26:07):
yeah, actually, we cannot we cannot segment the
cannot accept the super beginnerwhen the person start the
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don't have any specific specifichandicap for the students.
Cathy Kim (26:45):
And the Insight theory and understanding of
of the golf program?
Jaewon Kwak (26:58):
Sorry, I don't understand exactly. Can you
Cathy Kim (27:02):
What is? Yes, let me let me rephrase that. What is
the time they're done and theygraduate from the program, what
Jaewon Kwak (27:23):
it? This is quite different than other academic
Saussure relationship plus golfacademic. So that's why after
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why they join this group, theyjoin this program but they can
Cathy Kim (27:59):
and you incorporate club fitting or physical
Jaewon Kwak (28:05):
Yeah, I'll be habits but not the high
have we just only checking theirswing. So they can know the
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time also we have it and help
Cathy Kim (28:35):
okay. Do you incorporate anything like Are
Jaewon Kwak (28:43):
the golf product company in then we visited their
can try the track, man.
Cathy Kim (29:00):
That's fantastic. And why would a person wish to join
Jaewon Kwak (29:10):
yeah, there are actually I decide I divided the
about the Gulf more technicallyand systemically. And second
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business because they can makethe friendship friendship
doing business in the samefield, or if it's half refer
Cathy Kim (29:58):
program that screen?
And is this something that you
Jaewon Kwak (30:10):
You can apply, you can apply by yourself. But we
level of social position and thelevel of the golf skill, like,
Cathy Kim (30:31):
And how do you how do you verify their, their skill
Jaewon Kwak (30:41):
We give the application form to them, and
Cathy Kim (30:46):
a faith based system?
Jaewon Kwak (30:51):
Yeah, we just believe them. Thanking the lie
Cathy Kim (30:58):
don't know. I told my mom about the program and she
wouldn't qualify.
Hyemin Kim (31:12):
qualify. Oh, you
Cathy Kim (31:13):
think so? Well, I'm not going to tell her that. I
her. Oh, great. Yes, shewouldn't. She would love that.
And when COVID hit she herbusiness started slowing down a
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she's dropped it down to 21. Nowshe just broke 90. So she shot
in with her normal handicap. Ithink she went in as a 24 or 25.
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And then she asked me she saidshe asked Kathy what is a sand
Kim, what a sandbag or is it?
Hyemin Kim (32:18):
Are you talking about the heating bag? The
Cathy Kim (32:23):
No. So let me explain. So I sandbagger the
fake high handicap to go intotournaments. When these you
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call them in America. And I'msure the listeners that are
she heard the term and so shecalled me and she asked me what
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look at my hand my index, theycan look. So she's been doing
she goes to work. And she trulyfeels like she's missed her
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I understand that the classtakes a golf trip at the end of
Is there is there an ultimatetripper golf course that you'd
Hyemin Kim (33:52):
I don't know. I want already really nice golf
that's, oh, we can LPGA run thegolf. Run the tournament, the
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like Korea. It always feels likesomewhere you know, middle of
Jaewon Kwak (34:28):
Yeah, East parallel Korea. Cannon near canon.
Cathy Kim (34:34):
News production check.
Hyemin Kim (34:35):
Wow. Yeah, the grass condition was great.
Cathy Kim (34:39):
Okay, gotcha.
Jaewon Kwak (34:40):
Yeah, we have that nearby water but more mountain
Winter Olympic held there. Yeah,that is near there. So the labia
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why people were very excitedabout the play there.
Hyemin Kim (35:08):
And how long are these trends in the country? The
Cathy Kim (35:11):
really, you know, that's what I noticed when I
really mean. They're verydifferent than the clubhouses in
Hyemin Kim (35:29):
We have a hot dog house. Yeah.
Cathy Kim (35:33):
We love our hot dogs.
Jaewon Kwak (35:39):
Yeah, yeah. Because of you know, the Korean Korean
go there.
Cathy Kim (35:53):
Ah, I think you know, I think the closest thing that I
courses in Hawaii are havereally, really unique and cool
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foreigner, can I apply to theprogram?
Jaewon Kwak (36:21):
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Cathy Kim (36:23):
Oh, is can I apply to the program as a foreigner? Or
Jaewon Kwak (36:33):
Ah, this program you mean? Yeah, you can you can
Korean also, right? Because youhave to communicate with our
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program, but I think better tospeak in class.
Cathy Kim (36:58):
Okay. So for our listeners out there, let's make
Jaewon Kwak (37:10):
But don't worry about it. We have our English
English. So don't worry abouteven if you don't speak her, you
Cathy Kim (37:26):
That's great. Oh, one thing I would like to ask you is
program?
Jaewon Kwak (37:37):
I'm so sorry. This is the first semester of our Oh,
Cathy Kim (37:51):
Is there a waitlist of any sort for the program?
Jaewon Kwak (37:59):
waitlist? Yeah. For the second semester, we have a
the second semester we start.
Sixth of September. So we can
Cathy Kim (38:21):
Yeah, yeah, it's coming. It's coming. And each
Jaewon Kwak (38:28):
Yeah. 15 minutes, but let a different syllabus.
Cathy Kim (38:35):
So just a couple of general questions I have for you
in South Korea, South Korea hasa different kind of love for
golf so popular in Korea? And Iknow that we touched a little
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Open. But we are also seeing alot more Korean players on the
Hyemin Kim (39:16):
you mean the being a tour professional or just
Cathy Kim (39:23):
golf and golf in general because I feel like golf
Hyemin Kim (39:35):
Asus F Oh sis pandemic. I think golf is the
sports. But think about it like60 or 70 years old people cannot
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very slow and you can walk andyou can just follow the golf
of golf to you. It's alsocompetitive too. And especially,
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is it? Some TV shows on the somegolf TV shows on the Korean TV
Cathy Kim (40:37):
Yes. I've seen quite a few of them. They're actually
Hyemin Kim (40:45):
It's not like, yeah, it's not like you we watched,
hit the ball into the water. Andit's, it's more fun, you know, I
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also, like their favorite movie,Star play, start playing golf,
than you watch TV. You watch thetour, professional golf game, I
Cathy Kim (41:26):
I agree. I agree. The one that I really liked was
probably my salary pack growingup, right, because I'm five foot
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that I watched, it was reallyentertaining because it was so
swings, and we're trying to fixstudents, but the reality is
being perfect on the golf courseis okay. And I think to be able
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know, making a car on a hole.
And it wasn't the prettiest, butdo enough of that here in the
States. We're always showingrelatability of South Korean
golf shows is a thing. And II think that's great.
Jaewon Kwak (42:52):
I have one more things the screen golf. Do you
in here. It's a lot people saidit's more. This is more than
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simulation of the whole systemis much more than the church
than Starbucks.
Cathy Kim (43:29):
Yes. Yeah. I think also is the big one in South
Jaewon Kwak (43:35):
golf junk. Yeah, Goldstone and then Koco kaka
this, the player can play golf,go very easily then go to the
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people can keep in touch, canplay golf more easier than other
Cathy Kim (44:12):
Yeah. So that's really interesting that you
and to be able to create equalaccess across all different
very expensive sport, right tobe able to go out and play a
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question to you is with all ofthe screen golf popping up,
getting there. And I guess myquestion to you is, do you think
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citizens? Or is it stillconsidered somewhat of an
Jaewon Kwak (45:12):
I think still consider because of still,
because we need a time we needour money, we need our help. We
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condition, they cannot playgolf. So like this, and
people, many people started toplay golf, but they already
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is just only for a short time toexplored and before but sports.
Cathy Kim (46:15):
Yeah. Professor Kim, do you have any kind of input?
Hyemin Kim (46:19):
I totally agree with her. Um, and also, I wish golf
people, people who love playedgolf, they normally go to Asia,
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high quality. But after pandemicthere, people kind of still
time these days. Like, even whenI tried to get a tee time for a
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and all the caddy fees or allthe pride, all the money,
stuff. So
Cathy Kim (47:21):
yeah, that's definitely happening here, too.
because they have such a highdemand. And so they just feel
unfortunate, you know, when thepandemic hit, it was almost one
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of on a decline of golfers. Butat the same time, I guess we're
golfers that decided to comeback. So yeah, so I guess we're
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Kim,
Hyemin Kim (48:11):
um, so I'm thinking to study more lesson skills and
that I that I actually like toteach people especially when
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on the tours for a long time. SoI'm, I know, I'm good at
need to swing this way or thatway? It's really still, I'm kind
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understanding what they reallywant, get better, which Part I,
you know, one to one to 10. Likethere's certain process to get
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as possible without skipping anyprocess. So they can I think
Cathy Kim (49:33):
Yeah, I agree. I definitely think as an
or 12 different ways and one ofthe things stick, right. And
beginning it was, okay, well,how can I teach this person A, B
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C, but teach them in a way thatthey understand it. And then a
how it how does it stick? And golong term with that? Right? So I
smile on their faces at the endof the lesson. The second that
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an amazing feeling so amazing.
That's great. Professor o'clock,
Jaewon Kwak (50:33):
Actually, I do my work best. I'm doing my work
beginners, especially beginnersdoesn't know about the look and
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green? No. Can you imagine itlike that? So that's why if I
teach to the students.
Cathy Kim (51:11):
Yes, I agree. rules and etiquette right. Are the two
Jaewon Kwak (51:15):
role? Yeah, rules and etiquette is quite
They didn't teach well, but notexcept our professor. They
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but if I was to teach, I need tolearn more. So that's why I
Cathy Kim (51:43):
Yes, that's great.
Yeah, I definitely. I think thatfeel like found a lot of
frustration when they would goknow what filling a divot is
right. They don't know whatout to the golf course. So a lot
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of that has kind of fallento be able to kind of relay that
information and teach thatincorporated into the
curriculum?
Jaewon Kwak (52:28):
But not I'm the one who instructor we have a more a
Cathy Kim (52:33):
You got it? Well, do you have any last words to
Jaewon Kwak (52:45):
Oh, okay, I'm the first. Now the career is very
other golf industries is notenough. In my opinion, that is,
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focusing on the player. So asone of the Educate golf
industry, like the golf coursemanagement, caddy trading and
Cathy Kim (53:31):
Oh, that's great. All right, Professor Kevin, any last
Hyemin Kim (53:35):
Um, I just want to say like, both is very slow to
struggle, just enjoy the game asit is.
Cathy Kim (53:51):
Well, thank you so much, ladies for joining us
universities golf program. Itsounds like it's going to be a
Jaewon Kwak (54:09):
Yes. Thank you very much.
Hyemin Kim (54:13):
Thanks for having us today.
Jaewon Kwak (54:15):
Let's meet again after 10 years.
Cathy Kim (54:17):
That sounds great.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
Jaewon Kwak (54:21):
Thank you. Thank you so much.
Douglas Maida (54:23):
And that ladies and gentlemen concludes our show
guests who have joined us fromSouth Korea, Jae Hwan Kwok and
the world and in particulartoday's show, focusing on Korea
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Hello and welcome back to the show. Let me
instruction at Baltimore CountryClub in Baltimore, Maryland.
they both teach at ClemsonUniversity. And their names are
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the show.
Jaewon Kwak (03:03):
Hi, nice to meet you.
Hyemin Kim (03:05):
Hello,
Cathy Kim (03:06):
nice to meet you. Hi,
Jaewon Kwak (03:08):
I'm glad today
Cathy Kim (03:09):
by the way. Oh, yes.
All right.
I was gonna say to the audiencethat we are recording via zoom.
First, can you give us a littlebit about your background and
Jaewon Kwak (03:34):
Okay, first, I'm very glad to join, join this
leader. And I was actually myfamily is called family my
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attendance and for that. Okay,yeah, my family. Anyway, my all
influence to me. So I graduatedin physical education. I majored
(04:33):
first start when she wasstarting the golf, so I'm very
Cathy Kim (04:45):
And what what how old was Jin Young ko when you taught
Jaewon Kwak (04:49):
13? Around 13?
Yeah, I think that was the
Cathy Kim (04:59):
And was that when she first started golf? Or did she
Jaewon Kwak (05:05):
Yeah, it's you know, that was the first time to
But after that after a fewmonths she did I decided to
Cathy Kim (05:24):
And did you see the the successful future in her
Jaewon Kwak (05:30):
In my opinion, I think, I think I teach her basic
try to be a professional golfer.
And she has a very big passion
Cathy Kim (06:03):
I definitely recognize as an instructor
they are put on the right path,so to speak, whether they decide
is, is one of the most importantthings for the golf journey. So
(06:33):
Yeah.
Jaewon Kwak (06:35):
I want to say like this. Thank you very much. Yeah.
Cathy Kim (06:41):
So tell us I'm after -- so you, you've coached for a
Jaewon Kwak (06:51):
To Jin Yong? Yeah, around one year. Yeah. And then
years. And then I decided tolearn. I decided to enter the
(07:17):
have the education or backgroundof the marketing, marketing
I decided to enter the doctoratedegree again. And finally, now I
(07:40):
in Manila for five years as aphysical education teacher,
going, I went there, I want toset up the golf as a service PE,
(08:16):
already taught golf as a PE inNational University in
Cathy Kim (08:21):
Wow. That's incredible. So I'm
Jaewon Kwak (08:23):
very proud of you.
Cathy Kim (08:25):
How often do you go back to Manila to visit or
Jaewon Kwak (08:29):
nowadays I couldn't go there because my parents are
but maybe maybe one one yearafter, two year after I'm not
(08:52):
through online until now.
Cathy Kim (08:55):
Wow, that's incredible. So let's go ahead
bachelor's and then when youwent into get your master's, you
(09:16):
PhD in physical education, youspecialized in golf, is that
Jaewon Kwak (09:21):
Yes, that's true.
Cathy Kim (09:23):
That is a lot of golf.
Jaewon Kwak (09:25):
Yeah, all my life is golf. Your whole life? No,
with I cannot think about thegolf because of when I was born,
(09:51):
live with with the golf. I thinkso.
Cathy Kim (09:54):
You live and die with golf.
Jaewon Kwak (09:58):
I hope so.
Cathy Kim (10:01):
So, you know, being in academia that's related to
very special to South Korea. Ithink can you touch a little bit
(10:24):
it start? As as far as you know?
And is it something that's
Jaewon Kwak (10:35):
Okay, so when I was young, I actually I started the
this. Only the ladies ladiescall for a woman scoffers only
(11:13):
young golfers, not theprofessional golfers, the junior
lot. I think that is the that isthe time time for exploring the
Cathy Kim (11:38):
Oh, that's incredible. So I was born and
Open. I think it it definitelyinfluenced women's and girls
(12:02):
opportunities for AsianAmericans and current especially
And, and also from just theother perspective, Jenny's
(12:22):
American. And so in that era ofgolf, where you really didn't
it's absolutely incredible.
What's very pacted for the sportof neat to be able to hear the
(12:49):
other side of the coin and whatincredible. So I think that's,
that's really amazing.
Jaewon Kwak (13:03):
Yeah, I think so.
Cathy Kim (13:05):
So, professor Kim, let's go ahead and head over to
of the on course professors. Isthat correct?
Hyemin Kim (13:16):
Yeah, I'm teaching our students swing technique.
Cathy Kim (13:22):
Course Management?
And a little bit about yoursome success on the Symetra tour
as well. Could you give us a
Hyemin Kim (13:42):
Oh, yeah, um, um, being on the Symetra tour player
it's a six weeks in a row oreight weeks in a row on the lot
(14:04):
travel expenses, it's veryexpensive tour as well. Also, so
will. You won't go ever thatkind of place. Which, for
(14:33):
there. Oh, um, or Garden City inKansas. That's three hours
there. So yeah, it's veryunique. And you can see lots of
(15:02):
people with their kids on thecourse they fill in the divots
different than Koreatournament's situations like
Cathy Kim (15:24):
So for for our listeners just to clarify the
tour was, it has been newlynamed as steps into her. Could
(15:48):
with American tours? Because Ido know that it's something that
Hyemin Kim (15:54):
Um, yeah, the field is def... yeah, definitely the
time during the summer.
Sometimes we sometimes hearthe most field in Korea, it's
(16:23):
like 144, maybe 150 to some mostEpson tour, it's first come
first serve, we can we can playtime. And we have to find these
(16:53):
days there is some golf coursescourse has a driving range
together in Korea, but normallyrange all together. So it's safe
(17:17):
sometimes when we're actually
Cathy Kim (17:26):
As far as the purses go, and what your earnings were
Hyemin Kim (17:35):
Oh, can you can you tell me one more time?
Cathy Kim (17:37):
Yes, that the purses - your earnings? How much you
Hyemin Kim (17:47):
Oh, I like I haven't played a Korean LPGA Tour for a
when I seen on the TV, like onthe on the screen there person
(18:20):
than us at LPGA. I think they'retheir personal our purses
but it's still much better thanlong time ago.
Cathy Kim (18:38):
Definitely becoming more competitive, you would say?
university that both of you arecurrently at -- Gachon
and its standing in Korea aswhat kind of university is known
Jaewon Kwak (19:04):
Gatchon University is a comprehensive university
University, Kangwon University,Gachon Q-University this is
(19:37):
are the four University we it isthe first Korea to integrate for
Seongnam and medical campuses inIncheon, including medica
(20:08):
Academic in Hawaii, Hawaii, notit's it's not really campuses.
Cathy Kim (20:21):
like an exchange program kind of thing or is it
Jaewon Kwak (20:25):
Not really? In Gachon university they can study
University, we have a goal. Thisis the become one of the top 100
(20:54):
vision. And also we have anothergoal of our golf program. I'll
That is our goal.
Cathy Kim (21:11):
Yes. Sign me up. Sign me up.
Jaewon Kwak (21:15):
I will ask my boss, actually, I'm very sad. About
busy at the moment. She's veryinfluence in golf field in, in K
(21:47):
join Cannot join today?
Cathy Kim (21:50):
Well, I hope we can get her next time on an
Jaewon Kwak (21:55):
Yeah, I hope so. I hope so. We can talk a lot of
Cathy Kim (22:01):
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Cathy Kim (22:36):
Thank you. We're back. So let's -- Can we talk a
Kim, would you like to take thisone?
Hyemin Kim (22:50):
Yes.
Cathy Kim (22:51):
Can you? Yeah, great.
So what what? What does thepractical learning involved? Can
you give us a little bit of
Hyemin Kim (23:06):
Oh, yes. Um, so normally, we have a two
fundamental something like gripsinstead of body movement kind of
(23:28):
we add the range for instructorswill be there to teach for three
issues. So it's good to haveenough time to let them talk
(23:53):
So when we add the range, so wework on that kind of stuff. And
course management. Personally, Ithink this is the most important
(24:17):
high numbers with the wrong Ami.
Cathy Kim (24:19):
Yes. How many? How many students are in each class?
Hyemin Kim (24:27):
I'm most I think 20 people at every single class,
Jaewon Kwak (24:33):
Actually, our class is 23. In other other
one class. So we just decided toonly 20 something.
Cathy Kim (24:49):
So what is the teacher to student ratio in the
Hyemin Kim (24:58):
I'm normal. Li, we make a small group like four or
how many people can come to thatevery single class. Not every,
(25:23):
it's all it's all depends, but Ithink normally it's like four
Cathy Kim (25:32):
awesome. And how are their handicaps? What what type
Hyemin Kim (25:40):
one or one I think only one people are super
the course when I was playingwith her normally I think every
(26:05):
handicapper, too,
Jaewon Kwak (26:07):
yeah, actually, we cannot we cannot segment the
cannot accept the super beginnerwhen the person start the
(26:36):
don't have any specific specifichandicap for the students.
Cathy Kim (26:45):
And the Insight theory and understanding of
of the golf program?
Jaewon Kwak (26:58):
Sorry, I don't understand exactly. Can you
Cathy Kim (27:02):
What is? Yes, let me let me rephrase that. What is
the time they're done and theygraduate from the program, what
Jaewon Kwak (27:23):
it? This is quite different than other academic
Saussure relationship plus golfacademic. So that's why after
(27:49):
why they join this group, theyjoin this program but they can
Cathy Kim (27:59):
and you incorporate club fitting or physical
Jaewon Kwak (28:05):
Yeah, I'll be habits but not the high
have we just only checking theirswing. So they can know the
(28:32):
time also we have it and help
Cathy Kim (28:35):
okay. Do you incorporate anything like Are
Jaewon Kwak (28:43):
the golf product company in then we visited their
can try the track, man.
Cathy Kim (29:00):
That's fantastic. And why would a person wish to join
Jaewon Kwak (29:10):
yeah, there are actually I decide I divided the
about the Gulf more technicallyand systemically. And second
(29:35):
business because they can makethe friendship friendship
doing business in the samefield, or if it's half refer
Cathy Kim (29:58):
program that screen?
And is this something that you
Jaewon Kwak (30:10):
You can apply, you can apply by yourself. But we
level of social position and thelevel of the golf skill, like,
Cathy Kim (30:31):
And how do you how do you verify their, their skill
Jaewon Kwak (30:41):
We give the application form to them, and
Cathy Kim (30:46):
a faith based system?
Jaewon Kwak (30:51):
Yeah, we just believe them. Thanking the lie
Cathy Kim (30:58):
don't know. I told my mom about the program and she
wouldn't qualify.
Hyemin Kim (31:12):
qualify. Oh, you
Cathy Kim (31:13):
think so? Well, I'm not going to tell her that. I
her. Oh, great. Yes, shewouldn't. She would love that.
And when COVID hit she herbusiness started slowing down a
(31:41):
she's dropped it down to 21. Nowshe just broke 90. So she shot
in with her normal handicap. Ithink she went in as a 24 or 25.
(32:04):
And then she asked me she saidshe asked Kathy what is a sand
Kim, what a sandbag or is it?
Hyemin Kim (32:18):
Are you talking about the heating bag? The
Cathy Kim (32:23):
No. So let me explain. So I sandbagger the
fake high handicap to go intotournaments. When these you
(32:46):
call them in America. And I'msure the listeners that are
she heard the term and so shecalled me and she asked me what
(33:07):
look at my hand my index, theycan look. So she's been doing
she goes to work. And she trulyfeels like she's missed her
(33:35):
I understand that the classtakes a golf trip at the end of
Is there is there an ultimatetripper golf course that you'd
Hyemin Kim (33:52):
I don't know. I want already really nice golf
that's, oh, we can LPGA run thegolf. Run the tournament, the
(34:14):
like Korea. It always feels likesomewhere you know, middle of
Jaewon Kwak (34:28):
Yeah, East parallel Korea. Cannon near canon.
Cathy Kim (34:34):
News production check.
Hyemin Kim (34:35):
Wow. Yeah, the grass condition was great.
Cathy Kim (34:39):
Okay, gotcha.
Jaewon Kwak (34:40):
Yeah, we have that nearby water but more mountain
Winter Olympic held there. Yeah,that is near there. So the labia
(35:04):
why people were very excitedabout the play there.
Hyemin Kim (35:08):
And how long are these trends in the country? The
Cathy Kim (35:11):
really, you know, that's what I noticed when I
really mean. They're verydifferent than the clubhouses in
Hyemin Kim (35:29):
We have a hot dog house. Yeah.
Cathy Kim (35:33):
We love our hot dogs.
Jaewon Kwak (35:39):
Yeah, yeah. Because of you know, the Korean Korean
go there.
Cathy Kim (35:53):
Ah, I think you know, I think the closest thing that I
courses in Hawaii are havereally, really unique and cool
(36:16):
foreigner, can I apply to theprogram?
Jaewon Kwak (36:21):
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Cathy Kim (36:23):
Oh, is can I apply to the program as a foreigner? Or
Jaewon Kwak (36:33):
Ah, this program you mean? Yeah, you can you can
Korean also, right? Because youhave to communicate with our
(36:54):
program, but I think better tospeak in class.
Cathy Kim (36:58):
Okay. So for our listeners out there, let's make
Jaewon Kwak (37:10):
But don't worry about it. We have our English
English. So don't worry abouteven if you don't speak her, you
Cathy Kim (37:26):
That's great. Oh, one thing I would like to ask you is
program?
Jaewon Kwak (37:37):
I'm so sorry. This is the first semester of our Oh,
Cathy Kim (37:51):
Is there a waitlist of any sort for the program?
Jaewon Kwak (37:59):
waitlist? Yeah. For the second semester, we have a
the second semester we start.
Sixth of September. So we can
Cathy Kim (38:21):
Yeah, yeah, it's coming. It's coming. And each
Jaewon Kwak (38:28):
Yeah. 15 minutes, but let a different syllabus.
Cathy Kim (38:35):
So just a couple of general questions I have for you
in South Korea, South Korea hasa different kind of love for
golf so popular in Korea? And Iknow that we touched a little
(39:04):
Open. But we are also seeing alot more Korean players on the
Hyemin Kim (39:16):
you mean the being a tour professional or just
Cathy Kim (39:23):
golf and golf in general because I feel like golf
Hyemin Kim (39:35):
Asus F Oh sis pandemic. I think golf is the
sports. But think about it like60 or 70 years old people cannot
(40:01):
very slow and you can walk andyou can just follow the golf
of golf to you. It's alsocompetitive too. And especially,
(40:28):
is it? Some TV shows on the somegolf TV shows on the Korean TV
Cathy Kim (40:37):
Yes. I've seen quite a few of them. They're actually
Hyemin Kim (40:45):
It's not like, yeah, it's not like you we watched,
hit the ball into the water. Andit's, it's more fun, you know, I
(41:07):
also, like their favorite movie,Star play, start playing golf,
than you watch TV. You watch thetour, professional golf game, I
Cathy Kim (41:26):
I agree. I agree. The one that I really liked was
probably my salary pack growingup, right, because I'm five foot
(41:49):
that I watched, it was reallyentertaining because it was so
swings, and we're trying to fixstudents, but the reality is
being perfect on the golf courseis okay. And I think to be able
(42:19):
know, making a car on a hole.
And it wasn't the prettiest, butdo enough of that here in the
States. We're always showingrelatability of South Korean
golf shows is a thing. And II think that's great.
Jaewon Kwak (42:52):
I have one more things the screen golf. Do you
in here. It's a lot people saidit's more. This is more than
(43:16):
simulation of the whole systemis much more than the church
than Starbucks.
Cathy Kim (43:29):
Yes. Yeah. I think also is the big one in South
Jaewon Kwak (43:35):
golf junk. Yeah, Goldstone and then Koco kaka
this, the player can play golf,go very easily then go to the
(44:02):
people can keep in touch, canplay golf more easier than other
Cathy Kim (44:12):
Yeah. So that's really interesting that you
and to be able to create equalaccess across all different
very expensive sport, right tobe able to go out and play a
(44:44):
question to you is with all ofthe screen golf popping up,
getting there. And I guess myquestion to you is, do you think
(45:07):
citizens? Or is it stillconsidered somewhat of an
Jaewon Kwak (45:12):
I think still consider because of still,
because we need a time we needour money, we need our help. We
(45:36):
condition, they cannot playgolf. So like this, and
people, many people started toplay golf, but they already
(46:01):
is just only for a short time toexplored and before but sports.
Cathy Kim (46:15):
Yeah. Professor Kim, do you have any kind of input?
Hyemin Kim (46:19):
I totally agree with her. Um, and also, I wish golf
people, people who love playedgolf, they normally go to Asia,
(46:42):
high quality. But after pandemicthere, people kind of still
time these days. Like, even whenI tried to get a tee time for a
(47:10):
and all the caddy fees or allthe pride, all the money,
stuff. So
Cathy Kim (47:21):
yeah, that's definitely happening here, too.
because they have such a highdemand. And so they just feel
unfortunate, you know, when thepandemic hit, it was almost one
(47:47):
of on a decline of golfers. Butat the same time, I guess we're
golfers that decided to comeback. So yeah, so I guess we're
(48:10):
Kim,
Hyemin Kim (48:11):
um, so I'm thinking to study more lesson skills and
that I that I actually like toteach people especially when
(48:34):
on the tours for a long time. SoI'm, I know, I'm good at
need to swing this way or thatway? It's really still, I'm kind
(48:57):
understanding what they reallywant, get better, which Part I,
you know, one to one to 10. Likethere's certain process to get
(49:21):
as possible without skipping anyprocess. So they can I think
Cathy Kim (49:33):
Yeah, I agree. I definitely think as an
or 12 different ways and one ofthe things stick, right. And
beginning it was, okay, well,how can I teach this person A, B
(50:01):
C, but teach them in a way thatthey understand it. And then a
how it how does it stick? And golong term with that? Right? So I
smile on their faces at the endof the lesson. The second that
(50:26):
an amazing feeling so amazing.
That's great. Professor o'clock,
Jaewon Kwak (50:33):
Actually, I do my work best. I'm doing my work
beginners, especially beginnersdoesn't know about the look and
(50:58):
green? No. Can you imagine itlike that? So that's why if I
teach to the students.
Cathy Kim (51:11):
Yes, I agree. rules and etiquette right. Are the two
Jaewon Kwak (51:15):
role? Yeah, rules and etiquette is quite
They didn't teach well, but notexcept our professor. They
(51:36):
but if I was to teach, I need tolearn more. So that's why I
Cathy Kim (51:43):
Yes, that's great.
Yeah, I definitely. I think thatfeel like found a lot of
frustration when they would goknow what filling a divot is
right. They don't know whatout to the golf course. So a lot
(52:11):
of that has kind of fallento be able to kind of relay that
information and teach thatincorporated into the
curriculum?
Jaewon Kwak (52:28):
But not I'm the one who instructor we have a more a
Cathy Kim (52:33):
You got it? Well, do you have any last words to
Jaewon Kwak (52:45):
Oh, okay, I'm the first. Now the career is very
other golf industries is notenough. In my opinion, that is,
(53:08):
focusing on the player. So asone of the Educate golf
industry, like the golf coursemanagement, caddy trading and
Cathy Kim (53:31):
Oh, that's great. All right, Professor Kevin, any last
Hyemin Kim (53:35):
Um, I just want to say like, both is very slow to
struggle, just enjoy the game asit is.
Cathy Kim (53:51):
Well, thank you so much, ladies for joining us
universities golf program. Itsounds like it's going to be a
Jaewon Kwak (54:09):
Yes. Thank you very much.
Hyemin Kim (54:13):
Thanks for having us today.
Jaewon Kwak (54:15):
Let's meet again after 10 years.
Cathy Kim (54:17):
That sounds great.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
Jaewon Kwak (54:21):
Thank you. Thank you so much.
Douglas Maida (54:23):
And that ladies and gentlemen concludes our show
guests who have joined us fromSouth Korea, Jae Hwan Kwok and
the world and in particulartoday's show, focusing on Korea
(54:52):
to us. Have a great day. Andremember if you're out there
Amy (Studio) (55:01):
You have been listening to our podcast show.
14 2022. If you have an idea fora future show, please send us an
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