Our Spring Fitness Special

In this episode, we have two fitness and conditioning specialists join us to discuss what golfers need to be aware of when they hit the tee box or the practice range for a proper warm up so that you can avoid injuries and enjoy your best golf. 

In the second segment of our show, we do a "deep dive" into the modern approach to fitness that is a more holistic approach, helping golfers better understand how their body moves, the role that body motion and sequence plays in helping you to generate power and speed in your golf swing.

Milo Bryant is from San Diego, California and is an instructor with TPI (Titleist Performance Institute) and member of the TPI Advisory Board.  He is also the founder of the "Coalition for Launching Active Youth" and he holds several certifications including Level 3 Golf Fitness Instructor (TPI), Sports & Performance coach (USA Weightlifting), and he is a Strength & Conditioning Specialist (NSCA). 

Africa Alarcon is from Sao Paulo, Brazil and is a pioneer in the physical fitness and training field, working with professional and amateur golfers since 2005.  She is the owner of "Golfefit" and the former physical trainer for the Brazilian National Golf Federation.  She graduated from the University of Sao Paulo and holds:  Level 3 Fitness Trainer (TPI), Level 2 certification in Medical, Power and Golf (TPI). 

Episode Transcript

Douglas Maida (00:13):
Hello, and welcome to our show we're
talking golf. My name is DouglasMita, and I'm your host. Now
that the weather is warmeracross the northern hemisphere,
the theme of our show today isspring fitness. As part of the
show, we have two fantasticfitness and training experts
with us, who will be on hand todiscuss topics of interest, and
hopefully it will be of help toyou.

(00:35):
In our first segment, we willdiscuss how to prepare yourself
physically for playing moregolf. It's an important topic
because too many golfers justwait for the warm weather. Then
they break out the clubs and hitthe golf courses to start
playing. Some will spend time atthe range trying to get
reacquainted with their swingagain. Others just head straight
to the tee box and play away.

(00:57):
Our guests we'll be discussinghow you can prepare yourself so
that you can avoid injuries andstart your golf season pain
free. They will also pass alongsome tips that they share with
their clients, including what todo if you cannot get a proper
warm up before your tee time.
In our second segment, we'regoing to do a little more of a
deep dive into the topic ofmodern fitness, movement and

(01:20):
conditioning.
It's increasingly an importanttopic amongst physical fitness
specialists as they strive tobring a more holistic approach
to human performance, regardlessof the sport, golf or otherwise.
in that segment, we'll belooking at how a person can
generate power and speed intheir golf swing, how to
maintain speed and power forlonger terms without injury.

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Now, back to our show. Here isyour host Douglas Maida.

Douglas Maida (03:12):
Welcome back to the show. And thank you for
staying with us. Now we have twovery special guests joining us
today on zoom. They are bothphysical fitness specialists
with extensive education,training and experience working
with golfers and other types ofathletes. Africa Alarcon joins
us from Sao Paulo, Brazil. Sheattended the University of Sao

(03:33):
Paulo graduating with a degreein physical education. She has
been a pioneer in the physicalfitness and training field
working with professional andamateur golfers since 2005. And
she has her own company golf hefit or golf fit. She has her She
was also the physical trainerfor the Brazilian National Golf
Federation and she is a TPIcertified level three fitness

(03:56):
trainer and she has alsocompleted her TPI level to
medical power and golfcertifications. Welcome to the
show Africa.

Africa Alarcon (04:05):
Thank you very much Douglas. Happy to be here.
Thank you for inviting me. Good,good.

Douglas Maida (04:13):
Our second guest is Michael Bryant joining us
from San Diego, California. Milois an experienced fitness,
wellness and healthprofessional. He is skilled in
designing curriculum andprograms for long term athletic
development in a variety ofathletic disciplines.
Milo is the head coach andfounder of the Coalition for
launching active youth. Hegraduated from the University of

(04:35):
Arkansas at Fayetteville and heholds several accreditations
including TPI level three goalfitness instructor. He's a
sports performance coach withUSA weightlifting and he has a
certification in strength andconditioning specialist with the
National strength andconditioning Association.

(04:56):
Milo is also an instructor forTPI, and an Advisory Board
member for the organization.
Welcome to the show, Milo.

Milo Bryant (05:04):
Hey, thanks, Douglas. Happy to be here. Nice
to see you, Africa. I'm ready toget into it. Yes.

Douglas Maida (05:11):
Wonderful, wonderful. So why don't we start
a little bit about telling usabout a little bit about
yourself. Milo, why don't westart with you, maybe you can
tell us a little bit about yourbackground in golf, what you do
in golf, and maybe a little bitabout what TPI is all about.

Milo Bryant (05:27):
Wow, a background in golf, I got into golf,
actually, through TPI would havebeen back in 2006, I went to a a
fitness conference. And I sawthis sign that said, golf
fitness and I kind of looked atit and thought, what what is

(05:47):
that all fitness seriously. Andthen, so let me let me go in
there and check this out. Andthen I go in there, and then the
cofounders of TPI, which Dr.
Greg Rose and Dave Phillips,they were given a presentation,
and it was a presentation allabout power. And the power was
lower body power, core bodypower, upper body power. And
during that presentation, I'mnot a shy person. So I

(06:10):
volunteered to get out there andthrow some balls around and jump
up and then all that stuff.
And, and when they finished itall, I was just kind of sitting
there thinking like, Wow, coolbody power, lower body power,
upper body power, I mean,that's, that's football, that's
baseball, basketball, that's,that's all these other sports

(06:32):
and thought, okay, there's,there's something to this. So
and then it enticed me enough togo to my first seminar, which
was, which would have been in2007. So I went to a seminar in
2007. And 15 minutes into it wasjust blown away. And I literally
was on the phone. Texting one ofmy buddies was like, dude, you

(06:55):
would not believe what they'retalking about. Like all they've
done for 15 years at the time.
15 years is study the golfswing. That's it. That's it is
like imagine if you just spent15 years just studying a jump
shot 15 years of studying a, alive 15 years just studying this
one thing. And they that's allthey did. And so that's what
they focus on them. Okay. Let meget into this now. And so I

(07:17):
mean, I, I absolutely love theobviously the fitness side from
from day one, I still absolutelysuck at playing golf, I can hit
a ball a very long way. But Ihave to go and find it after I
hit it. Because I work so much Idon't give my body or my brain
the opportunity to play golfwell. But I got into it with

(07:38):
with this whole notion ofaddicting kids to move addicting
kids to fitness huge with withyoung athletes. And I think this
world has been too overweight toout of shape. And so I wanted to

(08:01):
do something about it by gettingin the fight. And and that
developed, I developed a longterm development program for the
fitness side of what the CPIjuniors have done. I've done it
for a couple of other entitiesas well. But you look at what
what kids are doing these daysand amount of bullying that they
aren't doing. And you want tochange it or at least I want I

(08:24):
want to change that. And that'sthat's what I've been doing. And
I've been doing it long enoughthat I have kids who started
with me at five years old, andnow they're in college playing
golf, I have kids we started andmiddle school and they're on the
they're on different tours. Ihave kids in high school who are
on a PGA Tour on the LPGA Touron the symetra tour, who I'm

(08:47):
just many different tours on allaround. And so either I'm just
getting old, or or what we'redoing is it's actually working.
So, so it's it's been fun. Andthen I've, again, I've worked
with with athletes, fromnumerous sports, but from a golf
standpoint. Now I have I stillhave today I'll be working with

(09:10):
a group of 567 year olds, andthen tonight I'll be on the
phone talking with my 27 yearold doctors.

Douglas Maida (09:19):
And how about you Africa? Why don't you share a
little bit about how you gotinto golf, golf, fitness and
TPI.

Africa Alarcon (09:26):
Okay, well, I graduated from college, like you
said, and at the beginning, Iwas thinking about sports, and I
was thinking about how could Ihelp clients and how can I help
spread is especially you know,amateur players to be better.
And I was a handball athlete ata time actually. But I knew I

(09:51):
didn't want to work withhandball. I don't know handball
in the United States actually,but I know it's very popular in
in Europe and I took the Pilatescourse at that time. And I
remember I was like wondering,how am I gonna use this work?
You know what my career willlook like in the future. And I

(10:13):
knew I wanted to work with avery niche group. I was looking
for that niche. And I waswondering, where is this gonna
take me. And one day, I wasdoing an exercise at the Pilates
certification, and it was aboutrotation. And the the teacher
said, "Well, this is veryimportant for sports like
baseball, and tennis, andvolleyball and golf". And when

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she said golf, I was like, Hmm,maybe there's golf in Brazil, I
didn't even knew that there wasthere were golfers in Brazil.
So I start looking. And I startresearching and talking to
And then well, my husband did anMBA in the US. Like when with
people. And I realized that golfreally existed here in Brazil.
And it was very close, it wasvery niche, and itwas like a
small society. But an importantone, right, with high financial

(11:01):
power to support it, right. AndI was looking for that kind of
clients, clients that couldafford a very specialist and
very important work. And I knewthat golfers were very dedicated
to their sport. And they werelike, very obsessed even. So
this is the kind of client thatI was looking for. So I started
my education at the beginning,just doing research at my former

(11:25):
college, just reading everyevery scientific research that I
could find. And then one day, Istumbled upon the TPI website,
right, and I just devoured itfor hours, it was I was very exc
ted to found find it.

(11:46):
him, we live in Charlottesvillefor two years. And that's where
I started playing golf andtaking classes, learning more
about it. And I think I did myfirst TPI course on, it was
2008, maybe? It was the firstcertification that I took. And I
was just hooked. Because it was,I thought it was just amazing.

(12:09):
And those people were soamazing. I just wanted to be
around them all day. And just,and like Milo, I'm not a shy
person. So I was likevolunteering during the course
says and I was talking to themand just interacting. And that's
where I went back to Brazil andstarted my company. And I've
been doing great since then, Ireally started I think that

(12:33):
notion of "blue ocean" in Brazilwith a golf fitness. I will say
the business model, right.
And now I'm branching a littlebit more. So I'm more about
Latin America, I've been workingwith the Peruvian Federation, as
well with the ColombianFederation, and with athletes

(12:55):
all around. And it's been great.
And the time I spent on thenational team with Brazil was
very important for my educationand was very important,
especially for the networkingpart. And it got me to work with
athletes and work with theOlympic network and the Olympic
mine of researching and justtrying to do the best for the

(13:18):
athletes. So it's always a goodexperience. But I'm happy to be
here today. Let's start it. Idon't want to talk too much
about myself. That's boring.

Douglas Maida (13:31):
It's mid May, as we're recording this show. So
that means good weather,particularly in the more
northerly climate areas. Sogolfers are picking up clubs,
they're heading to the coursessummer hitting the range first
to try and get reacquainted withtheir swing. And probably even

(13:51):
moreso, will be heading to thetee blocks just to start playing
again. Now, when we talk aboutthis time of the year, I guess
that's when golfers are going tobe most susceptible to injuries
or things of that nature. Sowith golfers are returning to
play what should they be awareof to avoid their injuries? What
are some of the things that theyshould be doing? I mean, what
kind of warmup should they beinvolved with? Do you want to

(14:12):
lead that off Africa? And thenwe'll go to Milo?

Africa Alarcon (14:16):
Well, I think you know, all depends on the
level that you want to play.
Right? I guess that most playersthat have been living in very
cold areas, and now are seeingthe golf courses opening.
They're eager to play andthey're very excited. And
sometimes they want to do toomuch too fast too soon. And they
don't have that preparation,right? And it all depends on

(14:38):
your age, on the level you wantto play, and how much do you
want to compete and use thatskills, right? So you have to be
prepared for that. And I'll saythat after maybe 30 years old,
it's when injury starts toappear more and more often.

(15:00):
So if you want to play at alevel that you are demanding of
your mind of your body, that,you know, to, it's an overload
to your, to your articulationand to your muscles, you have to
do the work on the gym for that.
So you have to be prepared. Iwill say that for each hour that
you spend on that driving range,you should spend an hour on the

(15:21):
gym, getting yourself ready. AndI know that's not a reality. But
that's what people should bedoing. That's why, you know,
that's how are you going to,you're going to avoid injuries,
you don't want to get injured.
And I know that golfers havethat mentality that it's
inevitable, but is it isevitable. Right? You should be

(15:42):
avoiding it. You shouldn't beaccustomed to pain, and you
shouldn't be just thinking thatis natural to take a painkiller
before hitting the golf course,that is not natural. That is not
right. So just try to beprepared. Milo is laughing

Milo Bryant (16:03):
Because I mean, my gym, it's outdoors. And it's
it's, it's adjacent to a drivingrange. And I look out on that
driving range. And now I can seepeople who will literally and I
cannot stress this enough, theywill take their club out of the

(16:26):
bag, no action. So they'll walkup to their spot. They take
their clubs, they take one clubout of the bag, and just kind of
hold it over their head and theymade here here, bend that way,
bend that way. rub theirshoulders around, then they get
up and start swinging the club.
That's it. Sitting there justthinking Are you kidding me?

(16:46):
Now this people, I mean peoplefail to understand, though the
athleticism it takes to swing agolf club with the efficiency.
And that's what I was probablyin that same mentality. Back
when I saw the sign of a golffitness, like what is this all

(17:09):
about. And so I go in and I Ihave a very lucid understanding
now what golf fitness is. Andthen like when people swing a
club, a, if, if swinging a golfclub is the most dynamic thing
your body does on a weekly on adaily or weekly basis, you are

(17:30):
going to get injured.
That that's just that's just thefact you're going to get
injured. swinging a golf clubshould be easy. Now the things
that they do in the gym, thatshould be hard. The stuff you
do in the gym should make thegolf easy. But I'm not naive, I

(17:53):
understand that people wouldwant to get out and hit and, and
people don't look at Fitnessbecause fitness is fitness can
be hard. Now fitness, it can bea challenge and, and
understanding what you have todo to play well. So who wants to
spend time doing that?

Africa Alarcon (18:09):
Yeah, but it's all about priorities, right? My
little you have to havepriorities. If you want to play,
at a good level, if you want to,you know have distance and have
power and just enjoy it. And notbeing chasing pain all the time.
You have to set a priority andand I will say that there is a
certain point of at your agethat getting prepared to do

(18:33):
that. It should be a priority,right? When you're 15 or 20. You
can just hit that machine andjust play 5-10 rounds and drink
on the day after right and theday before and you're fine. But
that's not the reality forgolfers above. I'll say 30 years
old, right?

Milo Bryant (18:53):
But the thing about these golfers who want to just
get out and start playing. SoDouglas to your question is like
now isn't the time to getprepared to play golf,

Africa Alarcon (19:03):
You're late!

Milo Bryant (19:04):
Well, they should have been prepared to play golf.
So back in April, back in Marchback in December, February,
January, yeah, December, I mean,they, you get ready to play
then. And so that once this timehits, you can go out there and
you can play without the worryof getting injury and then the

(19:26):
gym becomes a maintenance phase.
It's like I like my professionalgolfers. That's why they have an
offseason. So that some of themwill take okay like, like a PGA
Tour player. Maybe he took amonth and a half off from from
tour so that he could come here.

(19:47):
And we had we had in that monthand a half we had like 36
sessions, something like that.
And he was working on specificthings. And we got those
specific things down so that hecan go out there and play, See
the thing go out there and, andplay the way he needed to play
where he wants to play withoutgetting injured.
Now that's the biggest thingthat that fitness does for you

(20:12):
is it doesn't just help you playwith more efficiency. It helps
you play period.

Africa Alarcon (20:19):
Safely, safely.

Milo Bryant (20:21):
Yes. Yes. I mean that's and that's the thing so
people, people just look at itand and golf has this long
standing thought process that"Oh, if I if I get if I don't
want to get too bulky, it'sgonna mess up my swing. This is
gonna mess up. I get too stiffand all" Like no you don't. You
look at the Olympic movement.
The second most mobile people inthe Olympic movement, or the

(20:45):
Olympic weightlifters, numberone are the gymnast. But the
Olympic lifters, people who arepressing 400 pounds above their
head and they're in a deep squatposition. They are the second
most mobile people in themovement. And yet, people don't
want to lift weights becausethey're going to get . . .

Africa Alarcon (21:02):
Especially women, right? Especially women.

Milo Bryant (21:05):
Oh, my goodness and women, women you have another
another whole thing to look atand worried about. And I don't
want to look back to man. Idon't I don't want to look, I
don't want to look big. I'msorry, luck. Unless you take the
drugs, you're not gonna looklike me. It's not gonna happen.
But you can't you don't haveenough testosterone to look like
me. So. So sorry, for

Douglas Maida (21:27):
You mentioned mobility.

Milo Bryant (21:30):
Yes.

Douglas Maida (21:31):
To the to the listeners at home. What do you
mean by mobility? I mean, it'squite easy to visualize with a
gymnast. But when you starttalking about a weightlifter,
having mobility or a golf orhaving mobility, what do you
mean by mobility?

Milo Bryant (21:46):
Well, a golfer so golf is a rotary sport. And so
there's going to be what Iguess we call it a kinematic
sequence, there's a sequencethat the body uses to help
generate power. And that poweris going to start in the lower
body. And since it's a rotarysport, the power is going to

(22:06):
start in the lower body. Andit's going to come up through
the whole body and out the handsand into the club. But the way
that happens is the body has torotate for it to happen. But one
of the examples we use is it'skind of like a whip. When you
crack a whip, though, when youhit that with your, your, you've
thrown it out, and then you'repulling it back. So what happens

(22:29):
when you pull it back is thatthat whip it on coils and
uncoils. And it gets faster andfaster, as it uncoils. And then
when it hits that "pop" at theend, oh, that's the power that
comes out. So to be able togenerate that power, the body
must be mobile.
So when it comes to a golf, agolfer, having mobility in the

(22:49):
ankles, having mobility in thehips, especially the hips, and
the T spine, so your thoracicspine and your hips, so are you
able to rotate your body on astable surface, and say, I'm a
right handed golfer, if I wantto stand on my left hip, on my
left foot, am I able to take myleft foot and keep it in place,

(23:11):
while my body rotates aroundthat foot now rotates around
that base, you have to havemobility in the hip, to be able
to do that. And the golf swing,I have to have external hip
rotation of that internal hiprotation on both sides to be
able to be stable and to be ableto generate the power. My

(23:33):
thoracic spine, I have to beable to rotate my thoracic spine
while my lumbar spine staysflat. So I can maintain posture
when I'm in a golf swing. Thereare some people who come up out
of a golf swing, or they havewhat's called a C posture where
their body is bent like this.
And when they get into thebackswing, your whole body has

(23:55):
to move a certain way instead ofjust staying in place. And so
from a mobility standpoint,being able to move your body
into the positions that yourgolf pro wants you to wants you
to be in so that you can havethe most efficient swing for
that for that body.

(24:17):
If we don't have that, then it'sgoing to be a lot more
challenging to maintainconsistency with the clubface at
impact. We some people come upand out some people come over
here, some people come overhere. All that is because of
either mobility or stability.
And so you want to be able to bemobile in the hips, mobile and

(24:37):
the thoracic spine, then that'sthe primary but then we can get
into ankle mobility, we can getinto risk mobility. there's a
there's a lot more involved.

Douglas Maida (24:49):
Right, right. So when somebody is coming to the
golf course and say they've gotabout a half hour before tee
time, what are some of the warmup ideas that they should be?
Looking to incorporate forbefore they start playing.
Anybody want to take a stab atthat Africa?

Africa Alarcon (25:05):
Sure. So I just want to go back to that thought
of mobility. So it's veryimportant to remember that
mobility is not flexibility. Andwe see a lot of golfers doing
static stretching, thinking theyare warming up for golf. And
this is a misconception and ispotentially dangerously, okay.

(25:28):
So there is a lot of researchpointing out that static
stretching is going to be badfor you, it can get you injured,
because you're gonna relax thatwith those muscles, right,
you're telling your body to justrelax, relax and loosen up, and
then suddenly, you're demandinga very hard and fast contraction

(25:49):
on those muscles. So this isgoing to be very bad, and you
should avoid it, what you shouldbe doing, it's something that is
going to activate your muscles.
So instead of trying to relaxyour muscles, you should be
activating them. So you want towake up your muscle, you want to
wake, your neurological system,your foot, your mobility, your
stability, you want to be activeand aware, and you want your

(26:13):
software and your hardware tocommunicate properly. So you
should be doing movements andnot static and passive
stretching.
Okay, so every everything thatis, you know, rotations and
exploring the the, you know, thearticulations range of motion,
and moving three dimensionally,and moving in various planes of

(26:36):
motion, not just on the sagittalplane, not just you know,
pushing and pulling, but likereaching something that is
behind you reaching somethingthat it's on the floor, and just
exploring fat before you starthitting balls, okay, so you
shouldn't be hitting balls towarm up, you should warm up to

(26:57):
hit balls, that's something thathas to be very clear on the
golfers mind. So it's importantto spend at least 10 to 15
minutes doing that, especiallyif you have an injury, that he
was, you know, a previousinjury, for example, if you know
that your shoulder, is prone tobe stiff, and is prone to have

(27:22):
instability, right. So you'vedislocated your shoulder, for
example, in the past, you shouldbe, you know, using the time to
warm up properly to stabilize,to awake those muscles, right to
activate those muscles. Insteadof relaxing and losing. And just
making everything smooth andpainless, you should be waking

(27:45):
up. That's that tip.

Milo Bryant (27:49):
I think to add add to that, like what about the
golf swing is static.

Africa Alarcon (27:53):
What golf swing static?

Milo Bryant (27:55):
You said there's nothing about the golf swing,
the golf swing is moving. So thegolf swing is moving. So your
warm up should be conducive tothe activity that you're going
to do. So you're going to beswinging a club.
Said it in seminars many timesbefore the golf swing is a
complex, dynamic, explosivemovement that required a proper

(28:16):
sequencing of muscles if youwant to be able to do it
consistently and correctly. Soyour warm up should be something
that enables you to do that golfswing efficiently. So if you're
exploding during the golf swing,your warm up needs to have some
explosive movements, you'regoing to be rotating during the
golf swing, your warm up needsto have some rotate some rotary

(28:39):
movements. Now the human bodygoes through seven primary
movement patterns, you flex youextend you rotate one way you
rotate the other way you standon one foot, you stand on the
other foot and you squat. Soyour warmup needs to have all of
those and a combination of thoseas you go through them so that
your body is able to be ready toactually do those movements and

(29:02):
action. So if if, if your warmup is just bending over touching
your toes are warm. And yeah,these numbers Yeah, all that
stuff. Oh, you are absolutelyasking for injury.
I think Africa said it bestearly on is like what level Do

(29:23):
you want to play it? If you wantto play at a at a high level
that's high for you. Then youwill take your preparation to
get to that level moreseriously. If you just want to
go out and and drink beers andsmoke with the with the guys or
smoke with the girls or whateverit is now and you don't want to

(29:46):
you don't want to play well.
Okay then then don't do any ofthat stuff. Now and they'll
brag with your friends. Oh yeah.
When I play golf, I got injuredright there. At least I got
injured playing golf. Itsounds stupid. But but that's I,
I've heard that before.

Africa Alarcon (30:07):
I've also heard you know, I, I had some some
times that I was, you know, intournaments and I will ask
people do you want to warm up?
and some will say, Oh, no, no,no, I don't need it. I just want
to have fun.

Unknown (30:20):
True.

Douglas Maida (30:21):
So what are some examples of warm up exercises
that will accomplish some of thethings that you're mentioning in
terms of not being static, moreof a dynamic warmup, what are
some drills?

Milo Bryant (30:32):
Well, I have one that I use for almost wow I am
getting old, almost 18 yearsnow. So far, that is, that is
good for all sports. Now. And Imean, I can tell it to you, I
don't know if you're going toput any links or anything like
this, but, but I can because Ihave it online. It's skipping,

(30:57):
it's hopping, it's shuffling.
It's doing high knees is the onea skips, is doing stuff like a
bounce on pupcakes. You have awalking hamstring stretch and
walk the leg kick. Then there'sa lunge with a reach up a lunge
with a twist, you have walkingquadricep, stretch, walk and
glute stretch. Then there's anintellectual hip rotation moving

(31:17):
forward until actual reprotations moving backwards. In
all of this, there is not onesingle point in this where
you're staying still. You'reconstantly moving. Then you
finish off with there's aCarioca exercise going one way
going the other way. Can youfinish off with with stiff
legged A skip that we do? Andthen a power skip?

Africa Alarcon (31:42):
I've never seen anybody do that on the golf
course Milo.

Milo Bryant (31:47):
No. And the only people that only people I've
seen do it on the golf courseare my athletes. And, and they
because these these, especiallythese kids, you get in their
heads early on, because mostpeople are embarrassed. Yeah.
Like I don't want to. I don'twant to get out there and
everybody's staring at me at allstuff. I'm like, do you want to

(32:10):
be at the top of theleaderboard? Would you want
them? Would you want to bethere? Oh, you want to get to
the top of leaderboard. You'renot preparing your body to get
that? Yeah, this is what you doto get there because I look at
what the best athletes in theworld do. Now I will guarantee
you that Rory McIlroy is warmingup. I bet you Dustin Johnson is

(32:30):
warming up. Oh, I bet you Imean, you look look back in the
day. I mean, Lorena Ochoa was hewas huge about exercise. Look at
Annika Sorenson was huge aboutexercise, look at the women
coming up. Now, they are goingto exercise. Now they are they
are stronger, they are morestable, they are more mobile,
they are hitting the ballfarther they I mean, everything

(32:52):
about it goes back to how theyprepare for this and they are
preparing for it by getting outthere and standing.

Douglas Maida (33:09):
Right, right.
Well, we can, we can put somelinks and things like that up on
the website, too for ouraudience members and readers and
things like that. So they'll geta better idea of what kind of
static versus dynamic exercisingthey should be looking at.
So I hate to say this, because Iknow it's almost almost the
antithesis of what we've beentalking about for the last 10
minutes. But let's say forexample, you know, I'm coming

(33:33):
from work, I got a tee time,I'm running late. traffic's a
little bit heavy. I'm trying toget to the golf course in time,
so I can make my tee time. Andas I get there, I only have five
minutes to make the tee box.
What's something I can do inthat short period of time to at
least activate some muscles andget ready to swing a little bit.
I mean, I realize not ideal, notencouraged. But at least to you

(33:57):
know, try and get somethinggoing and minimize a little bit
of potential injury.

Milo Bryant (34:05):
Well, the best thing I would do is sprint. I'd
get out there I do some jobs Ilike jog back and forth 10
yards, and then get that 10yards, do it faster, do it
faster to a passion becausesprinting is going to help every
aspect of the body. And so Iwould get out there and and

(34:26):
they'll do what I need to do sothat I can I can sprint. Now
outside of that you're doing noseven things I told you about.
Though you can flex you canextend you can rotate, rotate,
squat squat. Now, so I do that.
It's great that in sprint.

Africa Alarcon (34:40):
One thing that I like a lot, it's just sorry
Douglas one thing that I like alot is just doing just rotations
with you know, shoulders, neck,thoracic, your hips, your hips,
your ankles, something like thatexploring, exploring being in
once in one afford. And then theother one. And just like jumping

(35:03):
jacks is something that you cando on the same day, you don't
have to be running around. Butyou can do jumping jacks. And I
know it sounds a little silly. Iwould never seen anybody doing
jumping jacks on the tee box.
But like Milo said, you want tobe on the top leader, right? You
want to you want that, right. Soyou shouldn't be thinking, Oh,
my God, this is embarrassing,people are looking at me, forget
about them, this is about you.

Milo Bryant (35:27):
I have a jump rope in my golf bag. So I have, I
have jump rope on the tee boxhere ready to play.

Africa Alarcon (35:35):
You can use elastic bands, as well as
elastic band elastic bands, youknow, helps you and it's pretty
easy to carry and have on youron your golf bag. And you can
use it anywhere.

Douglas Maida (35:47):
Okay, let's say I've been playing a little bit
and say it's my fourth or fifthround of the year, I'm starting
to experience discomfort or painmid round, or even at the
practice range. What should I bedoing? Africa? Do you want to
maybe lead off with that?

Africa Alarcon (36:04):
Okay, the first thing is to understand when is
this happening? And why is thishappening, right? And
understanding that not always,the location of pain is going to
be the source of that injury,sometimes you can have pain on
your low back. And the problemis not because your low back is
weak, we hear that a lot likesomebody will come with a lot

(36:26):
with a low back pain. And theywill say -- Oh, my low back is
very bad, it's very weak. Andthen you test that and it's not
his his internal rotation on thehip that is very, very bad, or
his thoracic rotation that isvery, very bad. So you have to
investigate, you have to go tothe source of that pain of that
injury. And one thing that youhave to avoid is trying to

(36:47):
ignore that through, you know,medicine, and through analgesic,
painkillers and stuff like that,because what that that's going
to do is just going to shut downthat system, that it's
acknowledging that you have aproblem that you're, you know,
past your thresholds of tissuehealth, right, like,

(37:12):
And then and you just have todeal with it pain, it's a sign
that something is wrong. And itshould not be ignored is is like
when you're driving around andyou know, a red light pops up on
your car, you're not going toignore that right, you're going
to stop immediately. And thenyou're going to investigate what
is that even if you have to readthe manual over again, but you

(37:35):
want to know what is thatbecause you don't want to be,
you know, stranded in the roadat night. And it could be
dangerous. The same thing withyour body, if you have like a
small pain on your, say yourspine someplace, you know, or is
your thoracic spine and then yougo off plane and then he hurts a
little bit more, it's a biggersign and then you're ignoring to

(37:57):
take a pill, and then he hurts alittle bit more. And then
suddenly you have a hernia,right, it's going to be like
that. So it's going to be a signthat it should be investigated,
not ignore it,

Milo Bryant (38:09):
It's physiologically impossible for
the body to go through propermovement patterns in the
presence of pain. So you aregoing to alter your your
movement pattern. So somethingis hurting, you get that checked
out. And one of the things aboutwhat TPI is done and just the
whole philosophy is you have ateam of people who are around
you. So you have your golfprofessional, you have your

(38:31):
fitness professional, and youhave a medical professional. So
you have your medicalprofessional. So that's someone
who can look at the pain becauseas a fitness professional,
there's only a modicum of painthat I understand and know how
to deal with that. And so I haveseveral people I have, I have
chiropractors, I have physicaltherapists, I have A.T.C.

(38:53):
specialists. So A.R.T.
specialist who I can send myathletes to, I will send them to
-- Hey, could you make me Couldyou check out his his lower
back, there's something going onthere and maybe I did some
stuff, you know, there'sdefinitely some weakness and in
the in the right glute orsomething is happening that so

(39:14):
she can check that out and findout what she needs to do to help
this athlete, get back so that Ican then help them get or help
her get stronger. So that wecan, we can not avoid the
injury. We find out what thesource of the injury is and make
sure that stronger so we don'tget that injury again. Now and
if we sit there and continuallyavoid it, then we're going to

(39:37):
alter our movement patterns. Andthen that's going to lead us
down the road. It's going tolead the athlete down the road,
other injuries and other partsof the body and so you're going
to get wrecked all over.

Africa Alarcon (39:50):
Yeah, the first time is always going to be a
different movement patterns. Soyou're going to notice that your
swing is off. And sometimesthat's going to come before
pain. So you should be aware ofthat when you when your speed is
off when your distance is off.
Even if you don't have pain,even if you don't have swelling,
it that can be a sign thatyou're, you know, passing your

(40:10):
fatigue and you're starting toget injured. That should be a
sign already.

Douglas Maida (40:19):
So stop. In other words when you're starting to
feel some pass, don't keeptrying to play through it.
There's no upside to playingthrough the pain.

Africa Alarcon (40:27):
No.

Milo Bryant (40:29):
I mean, I mean, it's, especially for amateur
players, Yeah. Okay. You're notout there.

Douglas Maida (40:35):
You got to go to work in the morning.

Milo Bryant (40:37):
Yes, exactly. I mean, if I'm trying to win the
Masters, and I wake up, and myhips hurt, and I'm like, oh,
okay, I gotta fight throughthis. I have a chance to win the
Masters. And then if I get to apoint where I just can't move my
Okay, I tried. But amateurplayers, what do you what are
you trying to prove?

Douglas Maida (40:54):
And I guess the other moral, while there's lots
of to be learned there. But on alighter side, I was gonna say, I
guess we should be trying tobreak the habit of going to the
tee box popping a pair ofaleve's and getting ready to
start playing.

Milo Bryant (41:09):
Yeah, exactly.
Because that that's, that's justa band aid. Yeah, that is that
that's a band aid. That's a bandaid. And sometimes, if the cut
is like this, that's a band aidthat's like that big and not big
enough to cover anything. And soyou're I mean, you're not,
you're just taking care of alittle piece of it. little piece
of dough, I just had to feelbetter. So you can play today.

(41:30):
And then you don't know whatthat's gonna do to you down the
line.

Douglas Maida (41:34):
Right, right. All right, good discussion, we're
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Douglas Maida (42:00):
Welcome back.
Thank you for staying with us.
Now we go into our next segmentwhere we're going to talk about
power, strength and movement. SoMilo, why don't you start us off
by sharing with us with thismore modern approach to, to Body
Fitness, Fitness, training anddevelopment is all about.

Milo Bryant (42:21):
I started touching on it a little bit ago. And then
the last segment when I talkedabout the approach that we have
with with a golfer. Now, thereused to be just a golfer and the
golf pro. That's it. Now thefitness for the longest wasn't
even a part of this. Now you hadyou had the golf pro using,

(42:46):
sometimes using differentgadgets sometimes trying to help
the golfer, they'll hit furtheror hit farther just by altering
stances and swings and, and justeverything just related to the
swing. There was nothing thatwas related to the body. I was
just because what TPI looks atis there's a whole there's a

(43:10):
whole body swing connection, andthe body was swaying. It's not
just fitness, though. So youhave the golf pro, then you have
fitness is are you gettinginjured? Now? How do we keep
from getting injured? So there'sa medical person in there? Like
what about the thought processesyou have? What are your
thoughts going going up? goingup to the shot? So so the mental

(43:33):
approach to it. And then when wetalk about the physical you talk
about the mental Well, whatabout the nutritional now? What
are you putting in the body? Sothere's a lot more holistic
approach toward playing golf nowthan it was years ago.
I mean, the the golfers who Iwork with right now -- they have

(44:00):
all those, what I said they havethe golf pro, they have a
fitness Pro, they have a medicalperson, they have a nutritional
person, they have a mentalperson. So there's definitely a
holistic approach that is towardgolf. Now, not every amateur is
going to do all of that. Nowthey're they're not going to

(44:20):
want to get all these differentpeople, so but they can do some
of that stuff on their own, orthey can at least allow it to
come in and not not, you knowpoopoo and say no, I don't need
I don't need a fitness person. Idon't need a nutrition person. I
don't need any of this stuff.
And kind of like I said before,what level Do you want to play
it. Now if you want to play at ahigh level for you, then there

(44:41):
needs to be a more lucidunderstanding of how your body
is going to react to the swing.
If you are dehydrated, how yourbody is going to react to the
swing. If you haven't fuelledproperly. Now how your body is

(45:03):
going to react to the swing. Ifyou have this big presentation
tomorrow that you have to getthrough and you're nervous about
that presentation, oh there'sgoing to be a reaction that
happens in the swing. Or if he'splaying other sports,
basketball, baseball, whateverit is, your body is going to
react to that. And thensomething that we haven't even

(45:26):
talked about with women,understanding the hormonal
cycle, and how that is going toaffect everything. From a
nutritional standpoint, from amental standpoint, all of that.
So. So there's, there's a muchmore holistic approach toward
understanding playing golf thanthere was years ago. And the

(45:46):
amateur players. I think they,they definitely need to grasp
that. And at least have anunderstanding of it so that they
can employ some of those things,if they want to be better
players.

Douglas Maida (46:01):
How would I mean, when I first started out playing
golf, a long time ago, a gymsession or fitness session or
workout session would be alittle bit different than it is
today? How is it different fromyour typical gym workout, you
know, doing some deadlifts and,and bicep curls and things of

(46:22):
that nature, or maybe hittingthe treadmill or doing some
cardio on the treadmill? towhat you have today for a more
holistic workout? Africa Do youwant to maybe share some
thoughts on that?

Africa Alarcon (46:37):
I think you know, everybody should be aware
of what their body needs. Okay,it's very easy to fall into that
trap of going to the gym anddoing only what you like what
you're good at, like women,you'll see women doing Pilates
and yoga, because they have moremobility, and they have more
flexibility. And they enjoy thatthey enjoy that feeling. And

(47:00):
they, they want to work on theirlower part, you know, the butt
abs and thighs, and they want tolook good. And sometimes they
have that aesthetic mindsetgoing to the gym, right?
Instead of thinking, what mybody needs to perform, to
perform at a higher level, whatmy body needs to perform at

(47:21):
golf, at baseball, at soccer,whatever the sporty. And for men
also, you know, men, you will goto the gym, and you will see
them doing biceps curls, andchest press, and you know, pull
ups and stuff like that, becausethey want to look big, and they
want to you know, feel good, andthey want to look good without a
shirt on.

(47:42):
But sometimes that is notserving them. So I think the
approach should be like, whatit's good for myself, what do I
need? Like, for example, in mycase, I have two surgeries on my
knee. So when I go to the gym, Ihave my knee stability in mind.
I don't think about you know, Iwant like a six pack? No, I just

(48:04):
want to play and I want to havefun. And I don't want to have
another another injury and Iwant I don't want to go through
surgery anymore. Right? Sothat's my mindset. And so
everybody should be aware ofthat. And one way to be like
that is to have a professionalevaluating you, right and
assessing your mobility, yourstability, just to tell you what

(48:27):
your plan should look like. Andyou know, there's nothing wrong
with wanting to look better.
Right? And but I think peopleshould be more informed as to
what it takes for that, right?
Like there's a very wrongassumption that you should be
doing more cardio, if you wantto be leaner, right? And they

(48:48):
don't understand that sometimesyour nutrition is has a bigger
impact on how you look how leanyou are, then, you know, how
much cardio do you do, right?
We know that explosive movementand explosive sports are much
better at that, right? Becauseyou release a lot more
testosterone and less cortisolwhen you're working with power,

(49:10):
with speed. But there is therestill a lot of myths, I think,
around the fitness industry. Andpeople just need to be informed
and people should have thatmindset of hiring a good
professional to help themnavigate that. And just to think

(49:31):
about what is my plan? What do Iwant to accomplish? You know, do
I want to play better golf? Ordo I want to look better without
my shirt? Right? How do Iaccomplish that? What are my
needs? Like Milo said, What isthe team approach to that right
if you want if I want to playgolf and I have a previous
injury or a previous surgery, doI need to speak to a physical

(49:53):
therapist before that? Do I needto have my physical therapist
communicate with my golf coachand with my fitness instructor.
So I think it has to be verypersonalized. I think the
fitness industry and the fitnessmodel nowadays is more
personalized, and everybodywants to have the best results
that they can accomplish, right?
You don't want to hit the gymthree times a week, and not have

(50:15):
results. But you're not going tohave results. If you're basing
your training in what you readon a Fitness magazine, or what
you see on Instagram only,right? If you see like a very
cool sexy exercise on Instagram,and you think, oh, that's why
he's powerful. I'm gonna dothat. But I don't have this

(50:35):
ability to do that exercise. Idon't have the coordination to
do that exercise. So that's notfor me, you have to be
realistic. And people sometimesthey are in a rush, they want to
have that result yesterday, nottomorrow, right? So they want to
do like we said too soon, toofast, too much. And it's all
about self regulation and selfknowledge. And just having clear

(51:01):
goals and clear roadmaps foryou.

Milo Bryant (51:09):
Africa, I love the fact that you finished that with
roadmaps because that's one ofthe big things that happens when
you go to a a qualified trainers-- like Douglas, I have never
seen you swing a golf club atall. But I can spend, I could
spend 10 minutes with you outhere taking you through an
assessment. And I can tell youhow you swing a golf club, only

(51:32):
because the only way you'regoing to be able to stay a golf
club is the way your body moves.
And so I take you through anassessment, I know how your body
moves. And then if you're comingto me wanting to play better
golf, then I give you thatassessment. And then I go to
your coach and I say Okay, look,Douglas has limited internal
rotation on his lead hip.

(51:56):
There's thoracic spine, he haslimited mobility there. He
can't touch his toes right now.
His squat pattern, it's off herebecause his left ankle
dorsiflexion is is it's notwhere it needs to be. Oh, and so
what do you want me to do first?

(52:17):
Because the golf pro is the onewho is leading this charge, what
he or she is the one who isgoing to show you how they want
us to how to get you scoringscoring better. But that golf
pro wants you to do a specificthing. But you physically cannot
do that. There's nothing thatgolf pro is going to do that is

(52:37):
going to enable you tophysically do that. That's when
you come to me. And then if Ican't get you to do that,
because you're in pain, thenthat's when you go to Megan or
you go to, to to Vanessa, I'llsend you to them and they get
you out of pain, then you cometo me I get you stronger, I get
you more mobile, I get you morestable, then you go to the Golf

(52:59):
Club pro, I was like, Oh yeah,this is yes, "bam" now you have
it. And so the gym sessions noware specific to what you want to
do as a golfer, specific to whatyou want to do on the course.
And so you may come in, and yourbest friend may come in, you may

(53:19):
be doing the same gym session,yet, I have something that is
specific to you have somethingthat is specific to your best
friend. Even though you bothmay want power, yeah, power for
you, is going to be differentthan power for your best friend.
Because your bodies aredifferent. And your strengths
and your weaknesses aredifferent.
But so just as African said,just because you see it in a

(53:42):
magazine, and or only see itonline, somebody has failed this
exercise that's given thempower. That doesn't mean it's
right for you. So you have tofind out what is right for your
body. And for your strengths,your weaknesses, your mobilities
your instability.

Douglas Maida (54:01):
You're basically talking about the importance of
individualization with regardsto training programs and being
able to understand what theneeds are of each individual
athlete and what theircapabilities are, what areas
they need to be able to focus onin order to be able to achieve
certain movements and outcomes,things of that nature. So let me

(54:25):
take this to the next steps.
How does one go about like, as afitness professional like
yourselves -- How does you goabout helping someone learn how
to synchronize their body in asmooth and powerful movement,
regardless if it's golf orsomething else? I mean,
obviously, you've talked a fairbit today, Milo and you too
Africa about the importance ofsynchronizing the body and being

(54:48):
able to get the body moving inall the right sequence and in
the right directions andwhatnot. So how do you kind of
impart that to say a client andin particular whether it's an
elite client, or say somebodywho's newer to the sport? And is
there a big difference?

Africa Alarcon (55:05):
Yeah, well, I've seen professional players being
very, very uncoordinated. Like,I'll ask a professional player
to jump rope, or to skip, or todo their Carioca or just to do a
throw. And they're awful,because they are so specialized

(55:26):
on what they're doing, thattheir brain cannot fathom
anything else. Apart from that,and then you have those type of
clients, the amateurs that havespent the last 20 years sitting
on a chair for 16 hours a day,not playing sports, not playing
with their kids, not not doinganything apart from hitting the

(55:48):
treadmill. And, and trying torun outside, right. And that is
not enough to give you thatcoordination, and that body
sequence and that, that harmonyof movement, right. So
sometimes, you know, if I have anew client, and then I do the
assessment run, you know, thescreening, mobility, stability,

(56:09):
whatnot, I'll ask them to dosome basic coordination
movements like skipping or jumprope or throwing a ball. And if
they suck at that, that's wherewe're starting. We're starting
with just walking, and, youknow, changing patterns, and
then walking backwards, and thensideways, and then throwing a

(56:31):
ball, I had a client that I havehim throwing balls with me for
like, maybe four sessions, hewas already getting pissed at
me. But at the end of it, likehis swing got so much better
just because, you know, just thethrowing pattern is very
similar to the golf swing, youknow, you have that sequence,
you have the hips, you have therotation, you have, you know,

(56:53):
the, the changing of that groundfoot power and the end that, you
know, just helped me out, Milo .
. .
Yeah, the weight shift. Yeah,the weight shave is very
similar. So we were just likethrowing balls, right handed and
then left handed, and then righthanded, left handed for

(57:14):
sometimes hours. But that helpedhim getting you know, that
sequence better understood,right? So it really takes a very
personalized look to each otherto see what they can accomplish.
And most of the times, I willsay it's related to what they've
been doing before that. Havethey ever played other sports?

(57:38):
You know, have you know, whenthey were kids, what did they
do? Did they swim? Did they playtennis? Did they play bass,
baseball, or soccer, whatever.
Sometimes, you know, even ifyou've been working for the past
20 years sitting in a chair, butyou had that background, it's
easier to recover that you know,that store somewhere in your
brain. So it's easy to recover,other than you know, a person

(58:01):
that never have participated inany sport, you know, the only
fitness he has is just walkingon treadmills and doing, you
know, bench presses and workingout on machines in the gym, with
that stable, just one plane ofmotion and very secure and safe
environment, not exposing itselfto movement in three dimensional

(58:26):
way. So that's going to play areally difficult part on you
learning a new sport like golf,for example, if you want to
start you know, pick up a golfclub, you think it's the right
time for that and You think golfis safe, you're wrong, you're
wrong, because it's not easy.

(58:48):
It's not safe. And it's not sorewarding when you're a
beginner, right? It takes hardwork.

Milo Bryant (58:58):
I think Douglas every every athlete who comes
through here, who wants to geton a a personal program. That
assessment is absolutelycrucial. Because if you don't
assess, you don't know where tostart. The assessment for me,
it helps me create that roadmap.
And so I go back to the mostprimitive thing that we do, and

(59:20):
that's breathing. Now, the firstthing that everyone who is
listening to this, everyone whois watching us, the first thing
that they did when they cameinto this world was take a
breath.
And so I go back to breathing.
How are you breathing? Then fromthere? You going into primitive
postural primitive and posturalreflex rotation and integration.
So look at how are theirreflexes affecting what they're

(59:41):
doing now because you go frombreathing to reflexes to
movement. And so once you get toa point where you understand how
their body is moving, then youcan create that roadmap to say
okay, this is what's first andso on. Everybody goes through
goes through that is thefundamentals. So after that,

(01:00:02):
then we can go down the line andsay, Okay, well, you're a
golfer, and you want to do this,this and this. So let's do this
kind of offsets for yourbaseball player. So let's do
this, this and this, becausethat's going to be more
beneficial for you there, youplay tennis, let's do this over
here. Now, your, your mixedmartial artists, let's do this

(01:00:23):
over here. And so everybody isgoing to be different after a
certain point, but up to acertain point, everybody is
going to be the same. And so youtake everybody through that to
see what that baseline is, whatare you dealing with? Now, from
from here on out.
And so at that point, then itbecomes, for me, that becomes

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easy. And that's where I kind ofgeek out on crunching these
numbers and putting thistogether. And you can see how
this movement over here affectsthis over here and how that
affects this over here. And youcan put everything together like
okay, Oh, sweet, sweet, he isabout to be amazed at what's
going to happen to his body orshe is this is about. And so you
get excited, but then you got tocalm down and say, Okay, now I

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have to see how does this personwork? Is this the kind of person
who wants to really put in thework that it's going to take to
get there, because early on, andI tell everybody, some of this
stuff is going to be absolutelyboring. Because it's not the
crazy, cool exercises that yousee on Instagram, or you see on
the Nike commercials, you seeall that stuff. Because guess

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what, your body is not ready todo those yet.
We will get to those. But youhave to go through this boring
stuff first, this stuff that youmight look and think, Oh, my
five year old can do this. Yeah,your five year old can do it
because they never stopped doingit, you stopped doing this.
That's why we have to do thisagain,

Africa Alarcon (01:01:50):
it's about consistency, right Milo?,
People have to think that, youknow, achieving a certain amount
of fitness and a certain amountof performance on the golf
course, is not a sprint, it's amarathon. And you have to build
it slowly. You cannot gain speedand power and coordination. You
know, in two days or a week,it's a process and that, you

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know, it's it's kind of youknow, it is very repeated, you
know, trust the process, butit's that you have to really
trust your coach. And like Milosaid, some of the stuff at the
beginning is very boring. Andpeople are like, but why am I
doing you know, why am Icrawling on the floor, I want to
be hitting med balls on thewall. Like like Rory, I don't

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want to be rolling on the floor.
I don't want to throw a ball, Iwant to you know, I went ahead
like two clubs, I want to I wantto use two clubs to hit a ball,
and stuff like that. And peopledon't have the patience. And
like we said, it's all aboutpriorities.

Douglas Maida (01:02:51):
Right? So let me play a little bit of devil's
advocate here. Not that I don'tagree with TPI in the TPI
movement and everything we'vebeen talking about. But I know
sometimes you're gonna havethose skeptics out there who are
gonna have these types ofquestions. So that's what I want
to put out there. You have ...
we know the skeptic who's youhave the skeptic who says to you

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look, Jack Nicklaus never had todo any of this stuff. You know,
Sam Snead never did any of thisand yet they hit the golf ball
beautifully, wonderfully withlot of distance. So why would I
you know, why do I want to dosomething like this? Or, or
Won't this really limit myability to hit a golf ball

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because it becomes toomechanical things of that
nature. So how would you respondto that?

Milo Bryant (01:03:41):
The first thing since you mentioned Jack, I
would say Why don't you talkwith Jack again, because Jack
was an athlete. JACK was a gymrat. He is a self professed gym
rat now and so he he talks aboutthat a lot. But then when you
look at when you look at youhave Jack you have Arnie and

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then oh my i just read thingSouth African player. Yeah, Gary
Player. So when you look at youlook at those three who's still
playing golf. Who's stillplaying I mean, Gary Player. He,
I mean, Gary Player was one whotrumpeted fitness way back when

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I met Gary play around about 15years ago. Oh at a at a
tournament up in up in OrangeCounty. He comes up to me
literally, like kind of grabbedmy arm here. So squeezes that
squeeze that he's like, Oh mygoodness. telling you where your
body in my brain. We'd bekicking Tigers ass.

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I mean, but Gary, he's the onewho trumpeted fitness and he's
the one who can still go out andplay right now. And so when
people talk about oh, well fancydidn't do this. I decided I
don't I mean that's fine. Youdon't need to train with me that
you're going to play at thelevel that you that you want to
play it. But I can guarantee youright now. Oh, name somebody in

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the top 100 on any of thesetours, oh, the PGA Tour LPGA
Tour, European tour, who's notworking out?

Douglas Maida (01:05:22):
Okay, I'll throw one name out at you. And it's
probably not fair to him. Butthe one that comes to mind a lot
is John Daly.

Milo Bryant (01:05:30):
And he's not in the top 100 on the PGA Tour.

Douglas Maida (01:05:32):
He was though.

Milo Bryant (01:05:36):
They say but but the thing about John Daly, the
thing about John Daly, whichpeople will look at him from an
aesthetic standpoint, andthey'll say, Oh, he doesn't work
out. But I would love to getthose people who say that. And I
would love to take them to thesame assessment. I take John
Daly through, because John Dalycould do a full overhead deep

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squat.

Africa Alarcon (01:05:58):
He doesn't look like, but its his biology, you
know, he's just built like that.
Maybe, you know, there's a,there's another player on the
LPGA. I remember her name thatis also kind of overweight, and
everybody, you know, picks onher because of that. But she's
an athlete, and the you know,you don't have to be lean and
strong and look like a model tobe considered an athlete. People
have different body types. Andthat doesn't mean he's not

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powerful. He's not mobile. He'snot flexible. It doesn't mean a

Milo Bryant (01:06:28):
And what did Tiger say about John Daly. What did
Tiger say about john Daly? Imean, because if john Daly is
that, just because I hope I'mnot giving away anything here.
Now John Daly was given a gym. Iforgot he signed with somebody
and they gave him like all thisequipment for a gym. And he goes

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in there, and does some work outone day, and his stupid sore for
the next few days. He donatedthe whole gym to his high school
and said, I'm not doing this.
And so John Daly, he got to thispoint where he actually thought
about the training, and wantedto take it seriously. But he
didn't have someone just gavehim a gym, but then give them a

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knowledgeable person who canhelp him navigate his fitness
journey.
So and so that is something thatwas horrible. I mean, I felt bad
for him. At that point. I feltthat and I was pissed as well.
Because I'm like, goodness,because when I mean to me, Tiger

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is the best. He's the bestperson I've ever seen play
person. And when Tiger is sayingthat John Daly has more skill
and ability and his pinkie thaneverybody on this range has put
together. I looked at that, andI'm irritated that we didn't get
to see that. Because I mean,what would happen if John Daly
actually took his fitness moreseriously?

Africa Alarcon (01:07:58):
Yes. I agree.

Milo Bryant (01:08:00):
Not that he's just out of out of shape or whatever,
because he could still do thethings you need to do to play
golf, he had the mobility hadthe stability. But if he took
his fitness more seriously, Oh,my goodness.

Africa Alarcon (01:08:13):
I think it's just raw talent. And, you know,
and he, he relies a lot on that.
But it's true that is not goingto take him that far, because he
didn't use that power of youknow, his training much
seriously. But it's true thathe's not I think he's an
outlier. I don't think he shouldbe a good example of, you know,

(01:08:36):
what about John Daly? No. Whatabout Rory? What about Jason
day? What about, you know, theother guys? So that's just one
example. We have 1000s to come?

Douglas Maida (01:08:49):
Oh, no, no, fair enough. Fair enough. But, you
know, the perception and that'swhy I perhaps unfairly threw
John's name out there as one, Imean, you can't you cannot be
able to draw that club back likehe does in a backswing without
having the stability andmobility to be able to do that.
You know,

Milo Bryant (01:09:06):
and you can't hit that ball that far

Douglas Maida (01:09:09):
And the athletic ability to come in and and be
synchronized so wonderfully tobe able to maximize that power
through you know, I mean, he wasout-driving Tiger

Milo Bryant (01:09:19):
People, that there are people who look at actually,
so people should know. To havepower, you have to have
strength. You cannot have powerwithout strength, no strength
begets power. And John Daly'sdidn't I mean, he was leading

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the tour and driving distancefor how long so you cannot have
that without being strong. Andyou can't maintain that
consistency with the clubface atimpact without being stable
without being mobile. How And soyeah, so I mean John Daly he's
is an incredible golfer. He'sathletic enough to be a very

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good golfer. And I still justwonder what would have happened
if?
What would have happened if?

Douglas Maida (01:10:13):
As we start to draw to a close here for this
episode, Milo, what would yousuggest as being some of the
things that are important for anathlete to remember? Or somebody
who's about to embark on afitness program? Or already is
in a fitness program? What aresome important things for them
to remember?

Milo Bryant (01:10:31):
Well, first of all, what is it you want to do?
Well, always keep that goal inmind. I mean, what's the goal
you are you're trying toachieve? And then I tell a lot
of my athletes out, I tell allmy athletes, because I there
should be no point in ourrelationship as an athlete, and

(01:10:54):
coach, where you asked me -- Howis just going to help me on a
golf course? There, should, Ishould always be able to answer
that question. Oh, you're doingthis, this is how it's going to
help you. Oh, and so theathlete should have an absolute
belief, and absolute trust andthe process that he or she is

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going through, and how thatprocess is going to help them
become a better athlete, so thatso that they can become a better
coach, he or she can become abetter golfer, or a better
baseball player, or a betterthen volleyball player. When I
get these kids out here, I havea group of kids who come out
three times a week, I havevolleyball players in there, I

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have baseball players, I havegolfers, I have tennis players
in there. And each exercisethat we do, I sit there and tell
them, this is why this is goingto help you in tennis, this is
why this is going to help you ingolf, this is why now. So they
have to know and understand thatthen. So understand the goal.
And the goal is always gonna bethat that's the target. That's

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what you're always trying toreach for. So that's one,
Then two -- have a trust, andthe team that you have around
you. And so that team is thetrainer, it's there's no
nutrition, people, even if it'sa young athlete, guess who the
nutritionist says, It's mom anddad. So they have to be a part

(01:12:25):
of it, they have to be enrolledin it. So and I have no problem
telling mom and dad when theyneed to step their game up,
though, because we have somekids - No Mom, I mean, the kid
comes here eating an ice creamcone. So getting ready for it
for practice session. I don'tget mad at the kid. I'm like,
Dad, what are you doing here?

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We're, this athlete is about tocome out here and try to become
a better athlete. And you'resending him here on this kind of
fuel. Are you serious? and, andhe's Oh, he was griping about
this, he was hungry. He was he'shungry. So you give him ice
cream. Really? That's not goingto help him become a better
athlete. So it's just makingsure that athlete has complete

(01:13:11):
trust and an understanding ofhis or her role on that team
too. Because guess what theathlete is a part of that team.
So they need. So they need tounderstand the goal they need to
have have the right team aroundthem. And then they need to have
fun during that journey, too.
Because if you have the goal isout there you have the team
around you. So that part is set.

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That's great. But then you stillneed to have fun doing it.

Douglas Maida (01:13:38):
Right? So how does somebody find a trainer
like yourself? Africa? Do youwant to maybe?

Africa Alarcon (01:13:43):
Sure, people can go on my website golf.com or
they can see my work onInstagram. I have a ton of
videos there. But I'm helpinggolfers around the world
nowadays. I think one good thingthat came out of the pandemic is
that everybody now is using morethan online platforms. And I can

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speak for myself that I was oneof those like I was only doing
in person sessions. But now I'mreaching out clients all over
the world, like I have an onlineprogram that it's based on five
different programs is very, youknow, is very one step at a
time. So people don't gostraight to power. They have to

(01:14:30):
start with the basics, even ifit's boring, but I make
everybody start at thebeginning. And that online
program is available worldwide.
So they can reach out and talkto me through Instagram or just
send me a message through mywebsite and we can start the
conversation there.

Douglas Maida (01:14:49):
Great and how about yourself Milo?

Milo Bryant (01:14:52):
Well, first of all, just just in general, if you're
looking for a a golf trainer,you can go to the TPI website.
www.mytpi.com, You can go inthere and there's a find a, find
a pro outside there. And sowherever you are on the world,
there's about 30, some odd 1000,certified golf pros, trainers,

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medical, medical professionsaround the world. So you can go
in there, put in the city youlive in, and they'll find
everybody around there who'swho's TPR certified, but for me,
personally, I have, I have mywebsite, also, which is
milostrong.com. So you can gothere and get in contact with

(01:15:33):
you there.
And then looking on Instagram,I'm on Instagram, you can find
me on Facebook, then I have myplay program. So which is the
Coalition for Launching ActiveYouth. That is a program that's
also online. And that's what Iuse to help teach adults how to

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work with young athletes. Andthis is of all sports, and

that's at (01:15:59):
clay.life so you can go there. And that is an online
program that we'll be able touse that will take you through
18 years of understanding how towork with with young athletes.
So and then the the online Iwish, then this is sad for bad

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for me to say probably, I wish Iwere a better online trainer.
But it's like I'm still I havepeople who I work with online
because they're not going towork with somebody else and I'm
moving, I'm gonna, I'm gonnastick with you, but they've been
with me for years. So I can workwith him. But I'm still so much

(01:16:43):
of an in person trainer. So it'sit's, it's an it's unreal. But
though from an online trainingstandpoint, I can teach you how
to train kids. But if you wantto go to online training Africa,
is the one to go to. Africawill be able to help you.

Africa Alarcon (01:16:59):
Thank you Milo.

Douglas Maida (01:17:02):
Okay, as we end, I want to say thank you for, for
taking the time out of your busyschedules to be here with us
today and to talk all thingsfitness today. I know time is
flown by, but it's been an houralready. So that's how quickly
it's gone.
Yeah, no, I appreciate it. I'msure our audience will be even

(01:17:24):
more appreciative. So what'snext, for either of you?
Africa, you anything coming downthe pipe for you in the next
little while?

Africa Alarcon (01:17:33):
Well, I have, I've been invited to participate
in our new online platformcalled LATAM golf, and is going
to launch soon. And this is aplatform idolized for by some
golfers, and sorry, some golfcoaches in Latin America, the
best of the best. And I was verylucky to be invited. And I feel

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very humbled to say this, butI'm the only woman on that team,
and the only one from Brazil aswell. And it's an online
platform with master classes,with all range of subjects from
putting, chipping, I have alecture there that it's about

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the female athletes, and how togain more power and how to work
through the hormonal system aswell. And that's going to be
launched soon. And just I'm justenjoying the process right now.
I'd like I don't have anythingthat I want, you know, I'm just
enjoying my career andeverything that comes up, it's

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going to be a surprise, and it'sgoing to be fun to just
participate in.

Douglas Maida (01:18:45):
Great, great. And Milo, any last words that you'd
like to share or anything likethat?

Milo Bryant (01:18:50):
Ah, many coming up, there's getting the relaunch of
the CLAY website, then, oh, onebig thing I'm doing which is,
which is definitely a little bitdifferent. I have been studying
a lot about life coaching. Andso I am going to add that into

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the programs that I have from afitness standpoint. So it makes
it even more holistic. And Ithink some of the stuff that's
already happened with myathletes has been, has been
huge. So I'm very happy aboutthat. And so this is going to be
another another piece of thepuzzle that I'm trying to put
together to try and create alittle more joy in this world.

Douglas Maida (01:19:31):
All right, wonderful. Well, everyone, thank
you so much, again, for takingtime out of your schedules to be
with us. And hopefully we can dothis again sometime in the near
future.

Africa Alarcon (01:19:41):
Thank you. Thank you.

Douglas Maida (01:19:44):
Yeah, thank you Africa.

Milo Bryant (01:19:45):
Thanks a lot. All right. Thanks, everyone. Have a
great day.

Africa Alarcon (01:19:50):
Bye, guys. Thank you very much.

Douglas Maida (01:19:52):
Okay. Thank you.
Bye bye.
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