July 11, 2022 • 12 mins
Managing Director, Rebecca Durose-Croft talks to Literacy Consultant Sarah Loader, about what reading aloud can provide, at what age we can read aloud to our children, and how it can promote a lifelong love of reading.
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Rebecca Durose-Croft (00:01):
Hi, and welcome to Westchester words.
I'm Rebecca Durose-Croft,content and services director at
Westchester education services.
Today, we are talking aboutreading aloud, which feels quite
pertinent as the summer holidaysstretch out in front of us, but
also because of recentconversations in education,
around reading for pleasure,which feels tied into this
topic.
I'm here with literacyconsultant, Sarah Loader, to
(00:23):
give us a view on what readingaloud can provide, at what age
we can read aloud to ourchildren, to why we might want
to and crucially at the moment,how it can be pleasurable and
promote a lifelong love ofreading.
Thanks for joining me today,Sarah.
Sarah Loader (00:36):
Thanks Rebecca.
Yeah, I think there's a realopportunity at the moment
because of parents' increasedengagement in their children's
reading to build on that andcreate really lovely shared
reading experiences, no longerconfined to the home learning
requirements, but excitinglyfree and, and sort of boundless
trying out different types ofbooks, authors genres, and what
(00:59):
better way to do that togetherthan reading aloud?
Rebecca Durose-Crof (01:01):
Absolutely.
So what age group does thisapply to then?
Should we be reading aloud tochildren up till they're fluent
or beyond?
Sarah Loader (01:07):
Beyond definitely the idea of there being an age
limit for reading aloud tochildren, it is interesting in
fact, as is why this activity isconfined to children at all
being read to can be a hugelycomforting, generous,
collaborative experience.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (01:22):
You mean for older children here?
Sarah Loader (01:23):
Yes.
Older children and beyond youngadults, adults.
There's no reason to stopreally.
And there's actually hugeadvantages to keep reading aloud
to our children as, as long asthey'll let us do.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (01:33):
So.
So can you explain then how thatmight look like?
It's a bit different, I guess,from reading aloud to babies and
toddlers?
Sarah Loader (01:39):
Well, yes and no.
I think we, we read to littlechildren for lots of reasons.
We read to them for comfort, fordevelopment, for bonding to
create downtime and help teachthem vocabulary.
And it's not that different aschildren get older.
It's just that the readingmaterial changes.
Instantly, children's vocabularytook a real nose dive during
(02:00):
lockdown.
And so perhaps more than ever,we should be thinking about ways
to focus on that at home.
And reading aloud is a brilliantway to develop that at all ages.
There's a perception, amisconception, I'd say that
reading aloud is only useful forchildren who can't read
themselves, but reading aloudprovides a huge amount, whatever
the age.
Um, as I just mentioned, itintroduces new unfamiliar
(02:22):
vocabulary, which is incrediblyuseful.
It's also a great opportunity tobe close to our children, to
have uninterrupted one to onetime to offer undivided
attention, which now that it's abit less forced upon us might be
nice for parents to reinvest in.
If we are reading something,that's one step ahead of what
children might be able to readthemselves.
It's also aspirational, but aswell as all of that, and really
(02:45):
importantly, it can be veryvaluable in terms of
comprehension and analysisskills.
So talking about what you arereading, and we know that
because of the impact that hason vocabulary with children, um,
and babies.
We can use that for children asthey get older, to develop other
(03:05):
skills.
So making interpretationsdeductions predictions, and it's
also worth remembering thatreading together can be a great
way to start a conversation.
So as children get older andthose sorts of conversations
become potentially harder, orthere's a bit more distance
between parents and children,books can be a really useful way
in.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (03:24):
Yeah, that's a really good point.
I know from my own experience asa mum though, that finding that
uninterrupted undivided time canbe really tricky for lots of
parents.
Yeah,
Sarah Loader (03:32):
Yeah, absolutely.
And sometimes often it's thelast thing you feel like doing
when you've been working orlooking after children all day
in those days when, when there'sjust nothing left to give, which
we all have frequently for someof us, but it doesn't have to be
a long stretch of time.
Little and often is probablymore beneficial actually.
And when you find the rightbook, it can be quite calming
(03:53):
and comforting for the readertoo.
There's a misconception thatbecause a book is written for a
child or a young adult that it'sof lower value or interest or
literary skill than books thatare written for adults, but
that's not the case at all.
There are some incrediblyinteresting thought provoking
picture books, wordless books,even, and young adult titles.
(04:15):
So finding the right book iscrucial.
And the other thing I'd sayrelated to the issue of finding
time is that it doesn't have tobe at bedtime and that might
work for some.
And that's great by all means,stick to that if it's working,
but depending on, on yourroutine, on the level of
cooperation at different timesof day, on siblings or other
family members, you might havearound the house, there are
(04:36):
other options.
First thing in the morning, oncesome members of the family are
up and out can work or earlyevenings once very little ones
have gone to bed.
But before you are too exhaustedto keep your eyes open.
I know that for us duringlockdown, we found a bit of
space between the children'ssuppertime and our evening meal,
which lent itself really well toreading together as a family,
(04:56):
but it's very individual.
So try out some different ideasand find the best fit for you.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (05:01):
Yeah, it's interesting isn't it about what
we did differently duringlockdown?
And I wonder whether thatexperience has changed our
practices in terms of how weread with our children.
Sarah Loader (05:09):
Yeah.
I mean, I expect it did.
And you know, we know fromresearch carried out post
pandemic, that many parents aremore engaged with their
children's learning, which is apositive thing.
We know more about our childrenfollowing lockdown, their likes,
interests, dislikes, strengths,and weaknesses in relation to
their learning specifically.
And that can be capitalized onin lots of ways, but certainly
(05:31):
with finding ways of enjoyingbooks together.
For many, I think spending somuch time with, with their
children during the pandemic,often under huge amounts of
pressure will have squeezed outsome routines, like reading
aloud, but things have moved onnow, and there's an opportunity
to take reading aloud up againwith new insights and new
enthusiasm.
(05:51):
I think reading aloud alsoprovides a really interesting
alternative to TV, which isanother way that children relax
and zone out and often feelcalm.
And still the advantage of beingread to is that the imagination
is constantly working.
So children are forced to thinkabout what's being read and what
, what they're hearing and tobring it to life themselves,
which is a great skill.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (06:12):
I suppose, to counter that though, and to
your point earlier about those,those days when parents just
feel exhausted, um, readingaloud requires that adult input,
doesn't it?
Which TV doesn't obviously.
Sarah Loader (06:23):
Yeah, you're right, of course.
And that's a good point.
And actually the purpose of TVcan be that it gives parents a
bit of a break or a bit of timeto get things done at home.
But interestingly, audiobooksare a really good option if
finding the time to read aloudis proving challenging.
Obviously they don't provide thecloseness or the sense of
nurture that reading aloudtogether does, but they do force
(06:44):
the imagination to do a lot ofwork, and they're great for
increasing vocabulary andcreativity.
They're also really portable, sothey can be listened to all over
the place, whether you're in thegarden or the car or the bath or
bed.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (06:56):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?
That while we've seen that hugeincrease during the last year in
adults' audio use, uh, podcastsand audiobooks, we wouldn't
necessarily see that translateto children.
Although there has been anincrease and we are seeing more
coming through this year.
Why do you think that is?
Sarah Loader (07:11):
I think there's just a lot competing for
children's attention anywhere.
Anytime access to TV hasprobably had a detrimental
effect on other children'sactivities, but also, and
interestingly, there's a lotless air time given to the
benefits of audiobooks forchildren and the ways that these
can actually help parents out.
It's a kind of manipulation ofthe reading aloud experience
(07:32):
that doesn't apply to youngerchildren so much though.
I do know of parents readingthemselves, reading picture
books for their little ones,which isn't too far removed from
this, but essentially very youngchildren tend to need that
interaction.
As they get older, though, youcan mix it up a bit.
So you could rely on audio booksas well as your own reading
allowed sessions.
(07:53):
And I think it's certainlysomething that parents should be
considering.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (07:57):
You mentioned as well, that the
reading material changes aschildren get older, which is
understandable and obvious, butthere is so many books out
there.
It can often just feel like avast vacuum of choices.
How do you know what books tohave a go at with your kids and
to read with them?
Sarah Loader (08:12):
Yeah, you're right.
I mean, there's a wealth of goodmaterial out there and some not
so good stuff.
And I think you're spot on withthe idea of having a go, you
need to browse the bookshops andlibraries together, ideally, and
take a punt on something.
You know, better still actuallyget your children to, to make
them as the selectionsthemselves revisiting.
Some of the older classics isworthwhile as well.
(08:33):
And although some might feel abit dated and old fashioned,
it's not necessarily a bad thingand it doesn't make them
unenjoyable or redundant forreaders today.
Um, another suggestion I have isto revisit books that you
enjoyed growing up, because thatcan be really mutually
enjoyable, going back to those.
And I guess finally, what I'dsay is that while it's worth
(08:55):
persevering with books, and Ithink that that's important to a
certain extent, it's not worthpushing on with something that
nobody's enjoying.
It's okay to decide that abook's not for you and, and as
children get older, it'sactually quite important that
they start to make those choicesfor themselves and to understand
those choices, um, and have thecapacity to articulate them.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (09:14):
Yeah, that that's so true.
And even as adults, we feelguilty and a bit of a failure
when we don't finish a book.
I mean, I must have four or fivethat I've got halfway through,
which I, you know, I just can'tgive in and say, I'm not going
to finish them.
Sarah Loader (09:26):
Yeah.
I know it's madness.
Isn't it.
When you think about it, itdoesn't really make sense to
assume that we'd enjoyeverything we read.
And, and so why should we plowon with something that we are
not enjoying?
And actually, I guess it's thesame with rereading books.
There's a real pressure to reada lot to build up this sort of
vast library of read material.
But rereading books is reallyvaluable too.
(09:48):
Favorite books can be a hugesource of comfort and pleasure.
And we know this from very youngchildren who often want the same
book every night, or actually inthe case of my daughter, the
same book over and over againeach night, um, because it's
familiar and it's known and it'strusted and it's become, you
know, it's like a lullaby forher.
And we don't question it at thatage, even when it drives us
(10:09):
bonkers.
We accept it and we acknowledgeit and, and we do it.
But as children get older, webecome so much stricter and more
dictatorial.
When a book is read, it's doneand it's put away, but there's
real value in going back tofavorites and rereading books
together and remembering whatyou loved about them and letting
those feelings deepen as youkind of get to know the book
(10:30):
better and better.
I know when I was young, we hada series of books that our mum
read to us that we all loved andthey represented a sort of
familiarity and comfort, kind oflike being tucked under a warm
blanket together.
And those old books were broughtout whenever they were needed.
And it's sort of like a familyjoke in the end, you know,
whenever anyone was sick or abit sad or lonely, there, there
(10:52):
they were.
They came out and it was like anold friend visiting.
And then when my mom was illherself towards the end of her
life, I read them, aloud to herand the books themselves brought
us closer together.
They gave us a sharedexperience.
They also took us both back to,to that same shared experience
that we'd had throughout theyears.
And I'd love to foster that withmy own children, you know, maybe
(11:14):
not with the same books, butperhaps we'll be able to find
our own comfort stories if youlike.
I know that, um, someone told meonce that you should reread your
favorite book every decade,because you'll get something new
out of it with each read.
And, and that's an interestingidea, which I guess sort of
feeds back into that notion of,of reading for pleasure and
(11:35):
really exploring and, and beingopen to what that means.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (11:38):
Yeah.
I, I really do love that idea ofgoing back and rereading
something every decade.
I know since becoming a parent,things that I've reread and
rewatched have been totallydifferent to me and I've come at
them from a different angle eachtime.
So I think that understanding ofas you grow and change, so will
your perspective on what youread and what you enjoy?
Absolutely.
Could we say then that acceptingall books have to offer is
(12:00):
included in this idea of readingaloud?
Yes,
Sarah Loader (12:02):
Absolutely.
I'm reading for pleasure isabout enjoying books, ultimately
really loving and beingenveloped by the experience.
And, and I can't think of abetter way to achieve that than
reading aloud with someone youlove.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (12:12):
Thank you, Sarah.
I think that's the perfectending to a really interesting
conversation.
Sarah Loader (12:16):
Thanks Rebecca.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (12:17):
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Hi, and welcome to Westchester words.
I'm Rebecca Durose-Croft,content and services director at
Westchester education services.
Today, we are talking aboutreading aloud, which feels quite
pertinent as the summer holidaysstretch out in front of us, but
also because of recentconversations in education,
around reading for pleasure,which feels tied into this
topic.
I'm here with literacyconsultant, Sarah Loader, to
(00:23):
give us a view on what readingaloud can provide, at what age
we can read aloud to ourchildren, to why we might want
to and crucially at the moment,how it can be pleasurable and
promote a lifelong love ofreading.
Thanks for joining me today,Sarah.
Sarah Loader (00:36):
Thanks Rebecca.
Yeah, I think there's a realopportunity at the moment
because of parents' increasedengagement in their children's
reading to build on that andcreate really lovely shared
reading experiences, no longerconfined to the home learning
requirements, but excitinglyfree and, and sort of boundless
trying out different types ofbooks, authors genres, and what
(00:59):
better way to do that togetherthan reading aloud?
Rebecca Durose-Crof (01:01):
Absolutely.
So what age group does thisapply to then?
Should we be reading aloud tochildren up till they're fluent
or beyond?
Sarah Loader (01:07):
Beyond definitely the idea of there being an age
limit for reading aloud tochildren, it is interesting in
fact, as is why this activity isconfined to children at all
being read to can be a hugelycomforting, generous,
collaborative experience.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (01:22):
You mean for older children here?
Sarah Loader (01:23):
Yes.
Older children and beyond youngadults, adults.
There's no reason to stopreally.
And there's actually hugeadvantages to keep reading aloud
to our children as, as long asthey'll let us do.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (01:33):
So.
So can you explain then how thatmight look like?
It's a bit different, I guess,from reading aloud to babies and
toddlers?
Sarah Loader (01:39):
Well, yes and no.
I think we, we read to littlechildren for lots of reasons.
We read to them for comfort, fordevelopment, for bonding to
create downtime and help teachthem vocabulary.
And it's not that different aschildren get older.
It's just that the readingmaterial changes.
Instantly, children's vocabularytook a real nose dive during
(02:00):
lockdown.
And so perhaps more than ever,we should be thinking about ways
to focus on that at home.
And reading aloud is a brilliantway to develop that at all ages.
There's a perception, amisconception, I'd say that
reading aloud is only useful forchildren who can't read
themselves, but reading aloudprovides a huge amount, whatever
the age.
Um, as I just mentioned, itintroduces new unfamiliar
(02:22):
vocabulary, which is incrediblyuseful.
It's also a great opportunity tobe close to our children, to
have uninterrupted one to onetime to offer undivided
attention, which now that it's abit less forced upon us might be
nice for parents to reinvest in.
If we are reading something,that's one step ahead of what
children might be able to readthemselves.
It's also aspirational, but aswell as all of that, and really
(02:45):
importantly, it can be veryvaluable in terms of
comprehension and analysisskills.
So talking about what you arereading, and we know that
because of the impact that hason vocabulary with children, um,
and babies.
We can use that for children asthey get older, to develop other
(03:05):
skills.
So making interpretationsdeductions predictions, and it's
also worth remembering thatreading together can be a great
way to start a conversation.
So as children get older andthose sorts of conversations
become potentially harder, orthere's a bit more distance
between parents and children,books can be a really useful way
in.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (03:24):
Yeah, that's a really good point.
I know from my own experience asa mum though, that finding that
uninterrupted undivided time canbe really tricky for lots of
parents.
Yeah,
Sarah Loader (03:32):
Yeah, absolutely.
And sometimes often it's thelast thing you feel like doing
when you've been working orlooking after children all day
in those days when, when there'sjust nothing left to give, which
we all have frequently for someof us, but it doesn't have to be
a long stretch of time.
Little and often is probablymore beneficial actually.
And when you find the rightbook, it can be quite calming
(03:53):
and comforting for the readertoo.
There's a misconception thatbecause a book is written for a
child or a young adult that it'sof lower value or interest or
literary skill than books thatare written for adults, but
that's not the case at all.
There are some incrediblyinteresting thought provoking
picture books, wordless books,even, and young adult titles.
(04:15):
So finding the right book iscrucial.
And the other thing I'd sayrelated to the issue of finding
time is that it doesn't have tobe at bedtime and that might
work for some.
And that's great by all means,stick to that if it's working,
but depending on, on yourroutine, on the level of
cooperation at different timesof day, on siblings or other
family members, you might havearound the house, there are
(04:36):
other options.
First thing in the morning, oncesome members of the family are
up and out can work or earlyevenings once very little ones
have gone to bed.
But before you are too exhaustedto keep your eyes open.
I know that for us duringlockdown, we found a bit of
space between the children'ssuppertime and our evening meal,
which lent itself really well toreading together as a family,
(04:56):
but it's very individual.
So try out some different ideasand find the best fit for you.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (05:01):
Yeah, it's interesting isn't it about what
we did differently duringlockdown?
And I wonder whether thatexperience has changed our
practices in terms of how weread with our children.
Sarah Loader (05:09):
Yeah.
I mean, I expect it did.
And you know, we know fromresearch carried out post
pandemic, that many parents aremore engaged with their
children's learning, which is apositive thing.
We know more about our childrenfollowing lockdown, their likes,
interests, dislikes, strengths,and weaknesses in relation to
their learning specifically.
And that can be capitalized onin lots of ways, but certainly
(05:31):
with finding ways of enjoyingbooks together.
For many, I think spending somuch time with, with their
children during the pandemic,often under huge amounts of
pressure will have squeezed outsome routines, like reading
aloud, but things have moved onnow, and there's an opportunity
to take reading aloud up againwith new insights and new
enthusiasm.
(05:51):
I think reading aloud alsoprovides a really interesting
alternative to TV, which isanother way that children relax
and zone out and often feelcalm.
And still the advantage of beingread to is that the imagination
is constantly working.
So children are forced to thinkabout what's being read and what
, what they're hearing and tobring it to life themselves,
which is a great skill.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (06:12):
I suppose, to counter that though, and to
your point earlier about those,those days when parents just
feel exhausted, um, readingaloud requires that adult input,
doesn't it?
Which TV doesn't obviously.
Sarah Loader (06:23):
Yeah, you're right, of course.
And that's a good point.
And actually the purpose of TVcan be that it gives parents a
bit of a break or a bit of timeto get things done at home.
But interestingly, audiobooksare a really good option if
finding the time to read aloudis proving challenging.
Obviously they don't provide thecloseness or the sense of
nurture that reading aloudtogether does, but they do force
(06:44):
the imagination to do a lot ofwork, and they're great for
increasing vocabulary andcreativity.
They're also really portable, sothey can be listened to all over
the place, whether you're in thegarden or the car or the bath or
bed.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (06:56):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?
That while we've seen that hugeincrease during the last year in
adults' audio use, uh, podcastsand audiobooks, we wouldn't
necessarily see that translateto children.
Although there has been anincrease and we are seeing more
coming through this year.
Why do you think that is?
Sarah Loader (07:11):
I think there's just a lot competing for
children's attention anywhere.
Anytime access to TV hasprobably had a detrimental
effect on other children'sactivities, but also, and
interestingly, there's a lotless air time given to the
benefits of audiobooks forchildren and the ways that these
can actually help parents out.
It's a kind of manipulation ofthe reading aloud experience
(07:32):
that doesn't apply to youngerchildren so much though.
I do know of parents readingthemselves, reading picture
books for their little ones,which isn't too far removed from
this, but essentially very youngchildren tend to need that
interaction.
As they get older, though, youcan mix it up a bit.
So you could rely on audio booksas well as your own reading
allowed sessions.
(07:53):
And I think it's certainlysomething that parents should be
considering.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (07:57):
You mentioned as well, that the
reading material changes aschildren get older, which is
understandable and obvious, butthere is so many books out
there.
It can often just feel like avast vacuum of choices.
How do you know what books tohave a go at with your kids and
to read with them?
Sarah Loader (08:12):
Yeah, you're right.
I mean, there's a wealth of goodmaterial out there and some not
so good stuff.
And I think you're spot on withthe idea of having a go, you
need to browse the bookshops andlibraries together, ideally, and
take a punt on something.
You know, better still actuallyget your children to, to make
them as the selectionsthemselves revisiting.
Some of the older classics isworthwhile as well.
(08:33):
And although some might feel abit dated and old fashioned,
it's not necessarily a bad thingand it doesn't make them
unenjoyable or redundant forreaders today.
Um, another suggestion I have isto revisit books that you
enjoyed growing up, because thatcan be really mutually
enjoyable, going back to those.
And I guess finally, what I'dsay is that while it's worth
(08:55):
persevering with books, and Ithink that that's important to a
certain extent, it's not worthpushing on with something that
nobody's enjoying.
It's okay to decide that abook's not for you and, and as
children get older, it'sactually quite important that
they start to make those choicesfor themselves and to understand
those choices, um, and have thecapacity to articulate them.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (09:14):
Yeah, that that's so true.
And even as adults, we feelguilty and a bit of a failure
when we don't finish a book.
I mean, I must have four or fivethat I've got halfway through,
which I, you know, I just can'tgive in and say, I'm not going
to finish them.
Sarah Loader (09:26):
Yeah.
I know it's madness.
Isn't it.
When you think about it, itdoesn't really make sense to
assume that we'd enjoyeverything we read.
And, and so why should we plowon with something that we are
not enjoying?
And actually, I guess it's thesame with rereading books.
There's a real pressure to reada lot to build up this sort of
vast library of read material.
But rereading books is reallyvaluable too.
(09:48):
Favorite books can be a hugesource of comfort and pleasure.
And we know this from very youngchildren who often want the same
book every night, or actually inthe case of my daughter, the
same book over and over againeach night, um, because it's
familiar and it's known and it'strusted and it's become, you
know, it's like a lullaby forher.
And we don't question it at thatage, even when it drives us
(10:09):
bonkers.
We accept it and we acknowledgeit and, and we do it.
But as children get older, webecome so much stricter and more
dictatorial.
When a book is read, it's doneand it's put away, but there's
real value in going back tofavorites and rereading books
together and remembering whatyou loved about them and letting
those feelings deepen as youkind of get to know the book
(10:30):
better and better.
I know when I was young, we hada series of books that our mum
read to us that we all loved andthey represented a sort of
familiarity and comfort, kind oflike being tucked under a warm
blanket together.
And those old books were broughtout whenever they were needed.
And it's sort of like a familyjoke in the end, you know,
whenever anyone was sick or abit sad or lonely, there, there
(10:52):
they were.
They came out and it was like anold friend visiting.
And then when my mom was illherself towards the end of her
life, I read them, aloud to herand the books themselves brought
us closer together.
They gave us a sharedexperience.
They also took us both back to,to that same shared experience
that we'd had throughout theyears.
And I'd love to foster that withmy own children, you know, maybe
(11:14):
not with the same books, butperhaps we'll be able to find
our own comfort stories if youlike.
I know that, um, someone told meonce that you should reread your
favorite book every decade,because you'll get something new
out of it with each read.
And, and that's an interestingidea, which I guess sort of
feeds back into that notion of,of reading for pleasure and
(11:35):
really exploring and, and beingopen to what that means.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (11:38):
Yeah.
I, I really do love that idea ofgoing back and rereading
something every decade.
I know since becoming a parent,things that I've reread and
rewatched have been totallydifferent to me and I've come at
them from a different angle eachtime.
So I think that understanding ofas you grow and change, so will
your perspective on what youread and what you enjoy?
Absolutely.
Could we say then that acceptingall books have to offer is
(12:00):
included in this idea of readingaloud?
Yes,
Sarah Loader (12:02):
Absolutely.
I'm reading for pleasure isabout enjoying books, ultimately
really loving and beingenveloped by the experience.
And, and I can't think of abetter way to achieve that than
reading aloud with someone youlove.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (12:12):
Thank you, Sarah.
I think that's the perfectending to a really interesting
conversation.
Sarah Loader (12:16):
Thanks Rebecca.
Rebecca Durose-Croft (12:17):
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