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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:02):
Okay. This is another
song podcast here. We're gonna
talk about one of the trilogyreleases, and this one being
Dominance and Control. It's afairly epic prog rock series.
The first album in the seriesbeing Demarcation, which was
released a few years ago underthe name Opium Den, and it did
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really well, especially inEurope and what have you.
And then The Powers That Be withmajor record labels saying, We
really don't like that. And thenwe changed it to evil versus
good, which is kind of both ofthese are really alter egos for
me. And well, there's enoughbehind Andrew Reed and
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Liberation that the bettermarketing idea was probably to
put it out as Ando Reading:
Liberation rather than evil (01:55):
undefined
versus good five forty. Butdominance control, let's get
into this. It's the classic taleof life really.
Life on several differentscales, an individual scale,
which we all experience, andthen also a public figure,
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someone of some power influenceor a nation in this case,
symbolic in the Roman themeshere, where an individual's
actions impact thousands, evenmillions of lives. And so you
have several planes of existencereally happening here. But the
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classic tale is what? Of thenatural impulse for so many
human beings for power, control,you might stylize it as. So you
have the rise, the work, takingrisk, to the rise and decline.
You have the examination of lifewhen the fulfillment or the
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attainment or the victory ortriumph happen, and it's
unsatisfying or it wears thinquickly. And thus, you have the
decline in life, the decline ofdesire, all this. Eventually
death, or the great uncertaintyoccurs, and then the afterlife,
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and that exploration, and thenof course the reiteration of
life, because that seems to bethe natural process is, you
know, where things are renewed,the life death cycle and all
that. With this podcast, andwe're gonna have three podcasts
on this, each containing threesongs as they appear on the
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album, and the album is meant tobe listened to as an entire body
of work. I find just writing asong relatively unchallenging.
Whereas when you start thinkingabout concept albums, well that
involves a whole differentdegree of thought. And then you
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start thinking about trilogiesand you gotta go way beyond it.
So producing these integratedcoherent bodies of work is
something I like to do. And ofcourse that completely
challenges musical conventionsat this time, right? Because
it's a single Spotify dominatedworld, which album stuff is
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really not part of thatequation, let alone the
denigration of sound quality.
Alex and I are sitting here,we're both audiophiles, you
know, we listen to those minutedetails and appreciate so many
epic and great recordings. Andthis was recorded like this, and
that's one stunning aspect isjust the magnificence of the
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recording and production valueof this. This whole thing is
here you got a prog rock recordcaptured in very unique ways in
this burnt down recordingfacility. And then you have
these epic drum sounds that, youknow, you have you'd have to
have a huge studio to to pulloff an event like this. The
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other thing is that most ofthese are first takes.
I mean, I had intended toreplace these guitars. A lot of
times you want to nail thedrums, nail the bass, things
like that. But here we had thewhole band assembled and we
captured all of this live whilethe energy is there. And
surprisingly, almost the entirerecord has first takes. For
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example, in the song Pulsar,well, was the first time I'd
ever played that solo.
And I I was right in front ofboth Trevor, Wayne, and and
Aaron. And of course, these aregreat musicians. I mean, studio
musicians. I just didn't wannascrew up. But, you know, there's
something about that tension ofnot playing through a piece too
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many times where it starts tosound very mechanical.
That if you've got somethingthat sounds like it could go off
the edge, or you might not makethe note, there's an excitement
there. That if you playsomething too much, it gets so
smooth, there's no stick valueor interest or spectacle. So
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that's a big part of theproduction. And the fact that so
much of this, like the albumDemarcation, which is the first
album in this trilogy, a lot ofit came out of of the in between
states of consciousness. Notquite the waking state, not the
sleeping state, but the middlestate.
But also fused with a lot ofreflection. Obviously history
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coming into play here, theintroduction of sci fi which
represents the future, which isa cool factor in there. And then
also rock and roll as music,again in the modern age, has
been propelled to thesegargantuan proportions that
never existed before. I mean,they didn't think about filling
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stadiums and auditoriums withpeople just to listen to music.
I mean, you needed a burning atthe stake event or something
like that going on or gladiatorsor chariot races to fill a
stadium.
And music, it played asignificant role, but it wasn't
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the kind of the rock star or thecelebrity status that it has
now. And so that's a fairlyrecent occurrence for those who
are students of history. Let'stalk about the very first piece,
pulsar. Well, it has to do withlife as pulsation, as vibration.
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The oscillation of up and downthat all life, all life in all
its forms, whether it be a humanbeing, whether it be a computer,
whether it be a rock or a tree,all vibrate, which signifies
some level of consciousness.
So pulsar, of course we lookinto the sky and we see a planet
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doing this. And yes, it's thisbig vibration just like we are.
And it's a spectacle in the sky.So in this case, Pulsar, I came,
I saw, I conquered, you know,the words of Julius Caesar,
especially as he crossed theRubicon. You know, this is a
person coming into their own,that's feeling their own power
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and potential.
Just like all of us in life, wehave these opportunities where
you gain a vision and you summonyour strength. And in this case,
might makes right, just likeNietzsche said. And so, he's
actually preparing to cross theRubicon, is the next song. But I
came, I saw, that is I gainedthe vision, and then I took a
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risk. The risk of plunging anentire nation into civil war.
So basically gambling with thelives of others, but willing to
bet on himself and his legions,that is his followers. So that's
basically the explanation ofPulsar. The other thing, let me
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just say this, the folks thatworked on the videos, Alex did a
tremendous amount and then wehad Daniel in Chicago and
Nicholas did a lot of theanimation. Just tremendous work
and it brings a wholecohesiveness. Fact that it's a
visual album, well who doesthat?
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Nobody. So when you can play allof these together, there's a
cohesiveness. It almost puts youin a different state of
consciousness just because it'sso thematic and connected. You
know, it's like a continualstream without anything jarring
you out of the dream. So, a lotof production value there.
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And I guess if I was going togive it a sound description,
it's almost Jethro Tull like,but also Led Zeppelin like in
that there's just this absolutefeel aspect that's happening.
And we didn't want it to soundlike, you know, machine metal
where everything's like soprecise. No. This is this is
rock and roll. This is aboutpure expression.
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So with that said, let's get onwith Pulsar I came, I saw, I
conquered.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I see all with my
mind. I see this very time.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
This next piece is
called Crossing the Rubicon. And
then, of course, the Rubicon isa small stream at that time that
demarcated what was known asGaul around France and of course
Italy or, you know, the RomanEmpire at that time. When we all
look at our lives, we have theselines of demarcation. You know,
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this is what gives shape, Imean, makes a shape because
without these boundaries, itwould all just be goo, like
together. In the idea that wehave to risk something, which
this entire album really isabout, again, power, desire for
power, the desire for control.
We have to risk something, whichmeans stepping across the line
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into uncertainty. That is thingscould go bad, you know, you
could die, you could lose yourfortune, you could lose your
health, you could place manyother people in jeopardy or
peril. And so crossing theRubicon is symbolic of our lives
and is directly referenced againin this piece. And I'll just say
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this, there's this almost Zenaspect of it as well that when a
person decides to bet onthemselves, has the courage to
say, Hey, this is where thevision is and I'm going to pay
whatever price. I'm going tothrow my life away.
This summons almost this laserbeam like focus where you're
really living at that point.Because if you're living this
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very ultra conservative lifewhere you're not venturing out
and trying new things, I mean,what kind of life is that?
What's life about? You know,it's it's to me, it's about
playing your role, yourfunction, just throwing your
life away on that with almost areckless abandon, you might say.
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So, to be present, that's theZen part.
And also, what's significantabout this is, again, this is
the second song of this secondalbum in this trilogy. But the
first album is calledDemarcation because it's all
about really a regular guy inthis case taking basically the
same journey as rock star Caesarin Dominance and Control. You
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know, but it's just on anindividual level, whereas the
second album has to do with,again, a national figure with
power and whose actions havesignificance just like any
political figure that you wouldhave today. So with that, let's
cross the Rubicon.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
A Rubicon I cross
with salt upon my hill. All my
plans take me some pace. Unknownenemies in every soul I face. I
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say now. I limits of this earthI do not see.
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No demarcation line or boundarystream. Expanse I feel within
myself. A universe in me
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Thunder in my soul.
This is a pretty epic piece in
in my book. This is after thevictories, at least the initial
victories. Rock star Caesar inthis case enters the holy city
of Rome, the center of thecivilized Hellenized world. And
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he addresses, again, the plebs,the mobs in the arena.
You know, so similar to a rockstar kind of event that we'd
have now. We're looking forcontext here. And so people see
this experienced, worldlysuccessful person, and it does
what? Just like in normal life,it inspires us. It gives us a
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glimpse into our own potentialsand we just enjoy the experience
of it.
And this song, just say this,the lyrics, they have a lot of
different connotations you mightsay. Probably the big one is
that, again, we see life, weknow that it has bookends, that
it begins and that it ends.Okay, so the great certainty is
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always staring us in the face,saying get on with it, let's get
on with life, accomplish what weneed to do. And it sets up the
idea that life is really a game,a good game to be played, not a
boring game. And this is why theillusion of control is kind of a
fantasy for most people.
The unreconciled mind onlywants, again, the one side of
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life, only wants the sweet, onlywants all good, all sun, all
warm and all that. When, again,we need the dark side of life,
the bitter, the cold, thedefeats, is the other half of
life here. We know this. And soCaesar, rock star Caesar, has
figured this out and he'sbasically leading his people or
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followers on this journey withhim. This song really don't know
of even a more rock song thanthis.
This has everything from Wangbars to screaming guitars to
crazy, almost demonic screams inthe back. I mean, don't take
that literally, please. Don't goburn the album because you think
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it's full of demons or anythinglike that or backwards stuff.
But, you know, it has all theseovertones. You know, just like
you could look at the B sectionin this, Electric boobs, coins
and tubes.
What the heck does that mean?Well, you can take that a lot of
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different ways. Obviously a lotof people will go to the sexual
connotation. But then there'sboobs are just silly stupid
people. You know, tubes, testtubes, you know, whatever, and
then coins that are so importantat least in society and
civilization in thistransactional world that
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represent value.
And so you'll see obviously lotsof references to coins and
multiple of these songs. Andthat's the other thing I think
about the whole album. This isso not superficial. It will take
several listenings to reallystart to put it together. But
we're not talking about justpedestrian life, the
unconsidered life.
We're talking about the patternsof history, again, Because that
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is the value of history, is tosee what happened in the past,
see that they have successvalue, they have survival value,
they have profit value, and thatthese patterns in the large
repeat themselves. That's thevalue of studying history. But
yet, you have so many kids andpeople really. I mean, who
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fought in World War II? Well,they can't tell you.
Who was in World War I? Why didit start? Civil War, I don't
know. You know, I mean, juststuff that should be so
elementary, people don't know.And therefore I have to
question, really, education atthis point.
I mean, are we dumbing peopledown or are we lifting them up?
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But knowledge of history isimportant. It's not just about
dates and stuff. It's reallyabout, to me, the concepts, what
happened and what it means. Sowith that said, let's go into
the arena.
Let's enter the holy city, Romein this case, the center of the
Hellenized world, and it'sthunder my soul.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
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